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West wanted his Putin

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The day came when something was understood in the West. Even those who have never considered themselves a big fan of Russia and even more so its president have understood this. The realization that Western leaders, if they were to be put next to Comrade Putin, looks like political “wimps,” overwhelmed a certain part of the globe. Scottish journalist Gerald Warner speaks openly about the growing contempt for the "Euro-American" political class, its "uselessness" and the "parliamentary pseudo-democracy" model that has "discredited" itself.




In the article "New Perception of Putin" (Scotsman.com) Comrade Warner quotes a couple of quotes from the Internet:

“I never thought that I would live to the moment when I began to say that I would rather agree with Vladimir Putin than with any of the Western leaders ...”; "We need Putin ..."


The journalist notes that the feelings expressed in these phrases are more and more often found on the expanses of the English-speaking Internet. What do their authors want to say? They thus mark a surge of discontent with the leadership and institutions of Europe and North America and at the same time demonstrate respect for the strong president of Russia.

What kind of grumblers are looking to the east? It is quite easy to dismiss them and their ilk with the help of the well-known clichés of “democracy” and building counter arguments on the fact that these very grumbling, had they ever been to try the state system of Russia, would not at all strive to live in these conditions. Pretty easy, say?

But now we have reached such a level of disappointment and contempt for the Euro-American political class, the author of the material writes that there are already serious prospects for recognizing him as worthless. The catalyst of the revolution in Western politics can be major financial disasters. Cameron and Obama keeps only apathy in power, but the economic tsunami will not only overthrow them, but also sweep

“A discredited model of parliamentary pseudo-democracy, which has long supported the scoundrels and fools in power”.


The latest public sentiment is gaining momentum in the network - where people used to share their thoughts about what they really want to scold. The enthusiasm for Putin is built on the contrast between him and the "politically correct weaklings" from the European Union and the United States. This contrast can be seen even in photos from the G8 summit.

The disgrace of “statesmen,” writes Comrade Warner, whom their PR advisors recommended removing their ties, caused only ridicule and contempt. Dads dancing in a school disco - that's how they made fun of them. Putin also participated in the farce, but as soon as he got to the point (Obama / Cameron / Hollande set out to arm the Al-Qaida militants in Syria), he answered uncompromisingly, in the Molotov style, “No!” (In the original “in Russian ":" Nyet! ")

It is not surprising, Comrade Warner notes, that the British public wanted not only the president of Russia, but also the British leaders to express the interests of their country. Today, reservations about the KGB officer Putin, who is merciless to his enemies, no longer affect the minds of many Western people: they personally observe a leader who realistically understands the interests of his country and reaches them without hesitation. He wages a war with the Islamists, and does not squander taxpayers' money to support them. He supports the third largest military budget in the world, rather than treacherously dismantling the armed forces of his homeland.

Obama made a bid for his speech in Berlin, imitating the famous speech of John F. Kennedy, but it was boring. Benghazi and PRISM, the author of the material believes, will pursue Obama the rest of his days in the White House. All Western leaders are now aware that the concept of "freedom" means an ever more dense intervention in the personal life of citizens - while completely ignoring the law.

The journalist sees irony in the fact that the matter is moving towards a new “cold war”. However, this time the West contributes to “cultural Marxism” both in its “home” and in the politics of neo-colonialism in developing countries. All this is an ideological diversion against Russia.

While Western leaders are introducing same-sex marriages to the law, Putin, at the request of the Orthodox Church, sets strict anti-homosexual laws throughout Russia. As for the idle talk about “equality,” the author notes, the Russians had enough hypocritical rhetoric on this subject in Soviet times, and now they have oligarchs - such as those in the face of bankers who occupied Europe and America.

According to Comrade Warner, the “wimp” of the West contrasts with Russia with the insanity of liberalism, cultural masochism, the extinction of the indigenous population, an aversion to family life and the adoption of hedonism instead of personal responsibility. Russia, on the other hand, seems to be the author of a courageous nation. It is governed by a strong political will, defending national interests.

The material ends on this sternly solemn note.

Article Comrade Warner received feedback. We give a few of them, the most remarkable.

“Putin is a tyrant and a very angry man. (Putin is a tyrant and an extremely evil man.)
This simple fact seems to have escaped Mr. Warner, but we should not be surprised at this, because he approves of the fascist military governments of Franco or Pinochet.
Mr. Warner builds his worldview on the choice of the irrational; he clearly states only that the state invades the people's bedrooms and prohibits freedom of speech. ”


“Yes, we certainly need Putin here in the UK. I can’t imagine another time when Britain needed a man like Putin. I wonder how he would respond to the death in Woolwich, the activities of ethnic gangs of pedophiles in Scotland, the immigrant riots in London, the suicidal policy of mass immigration and the "Chernobyl" style of destruction of our countryside? ”


“From the point of view of common sense and international conventions, Putin is right. <…>
As for the internal affairs in Russia, Putin observes and takes into account the horrors that occur in the West, in particular, in Great Britain and France.
He does not want Russia to become a Muslim state, and Christian traditions ... may well provide prevention of this. In addition, this policy will help preserve a viable demographic profile that suppresses homosexuality ... "


“... at least in the first half of the GW material (the author of the article, Gerald Warner) wanders into the swamp of his personal obsessions.
I almost represent the right-wing conservative parliamentarian: standing in a debate on Syria in the House of Commons, he says: "I have to say that the Russian president spoke for England" ... "


Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. Denis
    Denis 26 June 2013 07: 27
    67
    Putin, as it were, is my cow and I will milk her (photo).
    1. kosmos44
      kosmos44 26 June 2013 07: 49
      112
      In the article “A New Perception of Putin” (Scotsman.com), Comrade Warner quotes a couple of quotes from the Internet:


      “I never thought that I would live to the moment when I began to say that I would rather agree with Vladimir Putin than with any of the Western leaders ...”; "We need Putin ..."


      The question is different. Do we need this beggar west ?! Which has nothing but their pseudo-crap with their "cheerful rainbow pedagogues" and a long tongue that would lick the pen-dosam's ass from time to time. The production is gone, it is in Asia. But conceit is off scale. Don't need gas? OK! Let's twist the crank. China needs it. Cut down forests, build stoves. So western rogue, go through the forest.
      1. Hon
        Hon 26 June 2013 09: 24
        66
        Quote: kosmos44
        impoverished west ?!

        Given the fact that those whose wallets are concentrated 90% of the material resources of the Russian Federation prefer to live in London, then probably needed.
        And about poverty, according to Germany’s GDP of $ 3,235 trillion per capita, $ 39, Russia's GDP of $ 442 trillion per capita is $ 2,117. At the same time, Germany has practically no mineral resources, and industry is the main locomotive of its economy.
        German industry provides the country with leadership in many global markets for finished products. The most competitive industries are:

        automotive industry;
        electrical industry;
        general engineering (production of machine tools, various devices);
        transport engineering (car building, aircraft manufacturing);
        chemical, pharmaceutical and perfumery and cosmetics industry;
        precision mechanics and optics;
        ferrous metallurgy;
        aerospace industry;
        production of information and communication equipment
        shipbuilding
        The largest German concerns have their branches, production and research facilities around the world. Among them are well-known automobile concerns Volkswagen, BMW, Daimler, chemical Bayer, BASF, Henkel Group, Siemens conglomerate, energy - E.ON and RWE or Bosch group.

        Do you often find domestic goods in stores? They are finite, but their share even in the domestic market is not large, and Germany is able to compete with China.
        1. sevtrash
          sevtrash 26 June 2013 10: 03
          +1
          The main parameter by which it is necessary to determine the success of the government is the well-being of the country in the form of GDP growth, HDI. It is, of course, good that Putin knows how to say "no" and generally looks like a strong man, but the main thing is different - in the development of the economy. And in recent years, there is nothing to boast about. And talking and demanding about the creation of new weapons, their renewal is stupid without the development of the same economy.
          1. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 26 June 2013 13: 16
            16
            Quote: sevtrash
            And in recent years, nothing to boast about. And talking and demanding the creation of new weapons, their renewal is foolish without the development of the same economy.


            Nenad confused with Yanukovych ...
            1. sevtrash
              sevtrash 26 June 2013 14: 17
              +4
              In Ukraine, GDP growth is zero or so if you want to hear it. And as for Yanukovych, by his strong-willed qualities, I think he is no worse than Putin. But he has much more restrictions, there is no oil and gas, the oligarchs seized almost everything, the opposition is not a couple of Russian. He can’t even make Russian the second state, although it was one of the main promises, he made it a regional roundabout way. And the economy in Ukraine must be redone for energy-saving, the state largely depends on IMF loans. This Putin can afford to bother to some extent, Yanukovych does not have such an opportunity.
              1. Naval
                Naval 26 June 2013 16: 01
                15
                The lizard casts its tail in times of danger in order to save all of Olganism, and Ukraine needs to separate from Galicia, which is alien in mentality, religion and spirit, the rest of Ukraine, education, and everything will work out by itself. When the ship’s cars are running in a mess, the ship spins in place. rather than moving forward, therefore, Ukraine, the most industrially developed and richest of all the former republics, has lagged so far behind Russia.
                1. sevtrash
                  sevtrash 26 June 2013 16: 17
                  +2
                  You are talking about unrealistic things, the same can be said - but let's return the USSR. This is all in the past, you won’t turn back the clock, no matter how you would like to. And what will work out? There is no oil and gas in Ukraine; metal is no longer needed due to the crisis. Yes, in fact, this does not bother the oligarchs; they are rowing their own.
                  1. Naval
                    Naval 26 June 2013 16: 26
                    19
                    Everything is real, the whole industry of Ukraine was focused on Russia, in the West, at best, they consider it as a large market for the sale of obsolete trash, and a supplier of semi-finished products and metal.
                    If Ukraine did not take a fierce anti-Russian position, then there would be no such Russian response. Take a look at Belorussia, they have nothing the same, but are developing, the standard of living and compared with Russia is not small, but if you compare with Ukraine ...
                    1. sevtrash
                      sevtrash 26 June 2013 19: 29
                      +2
                      Differentiate somehow, I think everyone knows that Ukraine can be conditionally divided into two parts, which are diametrically opposed to Russia.
                      And then, there are oligarchs, officials, politicians in whose hands the government and the media. Do you really think that they will once agree to share power by entering some degree of unification?
                      Then the past contradictions of various kinds over gas prices, etc. with appropriate media coverage - how do you think they are reflected?
                  2. dimon-media
                    dimon-media 26 June 2013 19: 16
                    17
                    And what are you so shy away from the word of the USSR? Remember Soviet Ukraine and post-Soviet? In which Ukraine did simple people live easier and in which industry, together with science, developed more actively? In the end, what bad people see in the USSR? Discard ideology, it has indeed sunk into oblivion. let's judge by industrialization, economic development and the social sphere. Personally, I am FOR union and unity.
                    1. sevtrash
                      sevtrash 26 June 2013 19: 35
                      13
                      This USSR was my country, with all its shortcomings. If the CPSU had not ascended the throne at the end of a series of elders Gorbachev, this rare doctor, and someone more powerful and smarter came to power, they could have completely improved the economy and would have lived in a great country.
                      But these are fantasies that have no place in real history, the train has already left, we live where we live.
                      1. soldier's grandson
                        soldier's grandson 26 June 2013 19: 58
                        14
                        I was relaxing, like in eastern Ukraine, more precisely in the Donetsk region, so the locals warmly recalled the USSR, they even spoke for separating from Western women to Russia, you just needed to see with what glance they asked us how we live there and, with all our minuses, they spoke only for reunion. one larger house of the USSR and then divided the people into rooms and in each of their godfather who decides how the people should live
                      2. Jin
                        Jin 26 June 2013 20: 12
                        14
                        Quote: sevtrash
                        This USSR was my country


                        We unite: Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan ... Then, there will be no laughing matter for chuvachkas from even the white house, even the blue ...
                      3. fokino1980
                        fokino1980 29 June 2013 18: 20
                        -1
                        I'm afraid with "ukrami" (the first people on earth) nothing will come of it! I just follow the events in Ukraine, they are ready to join even a jihat, but only without Russia winked
                    2. Simon
                      Simon 26 June 2013 21: 35
                      +4
                      Of course, there were smart people at the head of the government under the Communists, but all those who shouted and thirsted for power came to power, but the people did not figure it out and chose them. Now we are reaping the fruits of these screamers. Putin is slowly correcting everything that the liberals have done before him. Let Europe envy, Russia has great potential.
                  3. Jin
                    Jin 26 June 2013 20: 03
                    +7
                    Quote: dimon-media
                    Personally, I am FOR union and unity


                    I AM FOR unity with Ukraine, I am sympathetic to these people and their traditions ... I am enraged by the characters who use the word "b" and "Khokhol" to kill everything that has connected our peoples for centuries. About Kievan Rus' even to paint silly.
                    1. aviator_IAS
                      aviator_IAS 26 June 2013 21: 42
                      11
                      Geyropa just won't give Ukraine away. Even the fact that Yanukovych is glancing towards the Customs Union is already causing a nervous tic in the West. I, too, with both hands for unity, but the process will be very difficult. Not only the Westerners will be against it, but also most of the youth. In many ways, the "battle for minds" is lost. Even in school textbooks, many events have an anti-Russian interpretation. Twenty-year-olds have been hammered into their heads with "liberal values", but only terrible tales about the USSR. In Russia, young people also have a rather negative attitude towards the Union. How many years already all sorts of "Leberast" nightmares. am
                    2. Setrac
                      Setrac 27 June 2013 05: 23
                      +1
                      Quote: Jin
                      "Khokhol" kill everything that has connected our peoples for centuries

                      This word in Russian does not bear any offensive intonations, it is offensive to Westerners and their hosts from across the ocean.
                    3. Avenger711
                      Avenger711 27 June 2013 08: 29
                      0
                      And those who h_o_kh_l_o_v call some Ukrainians are enraging me.
                    4. Setrac
                      Setrac 27 June 2013 13: 11
                      +4
                      Quote: Avenger711
                      And those who h_o_kh_l_o_v call some Ukrainians are enraging me.

                      This is a misconception, I live in the Kuban, and this word is widely used here, I have a mother x o x lushka and my wife x o x lushka, and a resident of Ukraine may not be.
                  4. dimon-media
                    dimon-media 27 June 2013 16: 47
                    +3
                    I agree with you, colleague! I also love Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan .. and any common nouns originating from Nazi slang (I'm afraid to call them) are unacceptable to me in relation to these fraternal indigenous peoples and republics. Crush Nazism at all costs. stop on the vine any of its manifestations. Any of its manifestations in relation to at least someone, distance us from each other farther and farther, forming an abyss between us. Which then you can not jump over.
              2. Motors1991
                Motors1991 26 June 2013 19: 37
                +8
                Ukraine is one of the richest countries in the world, AS CLIMATIC, GEOLOGICAL AND HUMAN, we have gas, there is oil, there is coal, there are polymetals, there are richest chernozems, there are hardworking people, one does not have his own Putin, who at least a little thought not only for your pocket, but also for power.
                1. sevtrash
                  sevtrash 26 June 2013 19: 47
                  +4
                  Yes, we need a man who will pursue a rigid unpopular policy of reform, despite the opposition of the oligarchs, the bureaucracy, and the strongest discontent of the electorate population. Do you think this is real? This would be real in the 90s, when salaries were not paid at all.
                  1. Simon
                    Simon 26 June 2013 21: 38
                    +6
                    Well, friends, it’s enough to live separately, join the common boiler. One normal ruler is enough for us. drinks
                2. Apologet.Ru
                  Apologet.Ru 26 June 2013 23: 39
                  +1
                  Only there is no mind, the "hetmans" ...
              3. Arthur 775
                Arthur 775 26 June 2013 23: 29
                +2
                And there is no need to turn it back, and the husk is all unnecessary dump. I believe over time, and Belarus and Ukraine with Russia will do good deeds together, we are the peoples of the relatives. And there is enough industry in Ukraine, coal, heavy etc., defense industry, etc. , rural xs. It’s necessary to raise Belarusians. People will not turn against themselves, against normal life. And if our politicians start playing. So will the "hatchets"
                then, no one has canceled, we’ll get it. But how!

                I apologize for the clumsy syllable, but from the bottom of my heart.
              4. lesnik340
                lesnik340 28 June 2013 18: 20
                0
                And who is talking about the USSR? there are no other models of cooperation. But no, you look at the west aspirated, only the west needs your market and our minerals, land. More and more, not you, not us, they do not need.
            2. 30143
              30143 26 June 2013 21: 13
              -3
              why didn’t Russia drop the Caucasus 10 years ago?
            3. Avenger711
              Avenger711 27 June 2013 08: 28
              +1
              Without returning to Russia, nothing will be improved there, without Galicia it may be calmer, but local oligarchs are self-sufficient.
          2. Good Ukraine
            Good Ukraine 26 June 2013 16: 31
            12
            hi
            Quote: sevtrash
            And as for Yanukovych, by his strong-willed qualities, I think he is no worse than Putin.


            Well, how can you compare "Mu-Mu" with the number 1 political figure in the world?
            What kind of Ukraine are we talking about? Where is she? Everything is in decline. Complete devastation.
            What are the strong-willed qualities of Yanukovych? In Ukraine there is no politician who can lead the country out of Zh_y.

            In the time of Yushchenko, I saw a country falling into the abyss. But I understood that this could be stopped. Now I do not see when it is possible to stop the fall.
            The prospect is not not to improve, but even to stop further devastation.
            1. sevtrash
              sevtrash 26 June 2013 19: 43
              -6
              I said - by volitional qualities, the language is better hung from Putin, of course. The fact that Putin is a political figure No. 1, I think, you exaggerate, with all due respect to him. He prevented the collapse of Russia, against the background of previous presidents, he looks excellent. But now the situation has changed, the times of expensive raw materials are over and it is not known how much. Something needs to be done, besides saying no to the Americans.
              Read about the Emir of Qatar, which has raised GDP 20 times since its reign.
              1. Jin
                Jin 26 June 2013 20: 34
                +9
                Quote: sevtrash
                He prevented the collapse of Russia, against the background of previous presidents, he looks excellent.


                Unconditional +. Not a biased comment. So it is, let him show himself "Not against the background of EBN," but as an independent, mature politician and president. And then: "Damn, but how in the 90s lived a nightmare!" Found a savior, mlyn, and with whom are we shitting? With borey? Well, if Putin is fighting at the same level, for someone, then what is the general conversation about. Putin saved the defense industry from total collapse, he bows deeply for this ... He only saved it so far, it doesn’t work as it should, for sure, temporarily! Mr. President, Russia consists not only of defense enterprises, it is mainly of us, Russians. Save us! Let us rise, we will both the defense industry and the devil in a mortar, if we believe that Moscow is behind us. Because now, this famous phrase, in 90% of cases, is pronounced with a different connotation ... There is a specific attitude towards Moscow, in the regions ... to put it mildly ...
                1. Jin
                  Jin 26 June 2013 21: 26
                  0
                  Look at your minus, I would ask him to justify, but I won’t ... You most likely did not read the meaning of what I wrote. May it be on your conscience and God will judge you.
                  1. sevtrash
                    sevtrash 26 June 2013 22: 04
                    0
                    And who was it, if not a secret?
                  2. Jin
                    Jin 26 June 2013 22: 22
                    +1
                    Quote: sevtrash
                    And who was it, if not a secret?


                    Yes, God is his judge, colleague, this minuser) drinks
            2. piotr534
              piotr534 26 June 2013 21: 47
              -1
              I said - by volitional qualities, the language is better hung from Putin, of course.
              Learn to articulate your thoughts intelligently. Where are volitional qualities and where is the language better suspended or suspended.
              1. sevtrash
                sevtrash 26 June 2013 22: 02
                +4
                Why are you picking on me? Spelling mistake, the meaning seems to be unambiguous.
            3. Good Ukraine
              Good Ukraine 27 June 2013 00: 41
              +8
              hi
              Quote: sevtrash
              Read about the Emir of Qatar, which has raised GDP 20 times since its reign.


              You respected yourself contradict yourself. And due to what Qatar rose?
              There is nothing there except for energy. And GDP raised Russia not at the expense of high oil prices, but because the thief Khodorkovsky was imprisoned and everyone was forced to pay excise tax for exporting oil abroad. And then everyone howled. "How can denyushka run to Russia?" It is Vovyn's merit that he was able to raise the price of oil products in the world. And it will never go down. The only reason is that if they go down, then in China the goods will become practically free. And then the economy of the West will generally fall down due to the non-competitiveness of their goods with Chinese ones.
              And now back to Ukraine. Where are our minerals? Why do we (Ukraine) receive nothing from the use of our wealth? We have a lot of them. Let's start listing: coal, peat, iron ore, manganese, uranium, aluminum. This list is simply huge. How is chernozem used better in the world? They cannot even steal for themselves normally. In order to steal - you need to develop.

              Everyone shouts that nothing is being done in Russia. Open your eyes. New (from scratch) enterprises are constantly being opened. It's just that the toad crushes everyone. "Why didn't we get such a rich land?"

              I lived in Dnepropetrovsk when Kuchma was still there and then Putin came to us. People shouted "VOVA take us to your place!"
              I assure you: if he comes and says "send to me" then the bulk of the people will support him. Bendery, of course, will be against it, but let them not forget that the Poles are waiting around the corner and sharpening their teeth. I spoke with the Poles, they directly say "Before Lviv - Ukraine is ours, and we will take it."
              So good luck!
            4. theadenter
              theadenter 27 June 2013 04: 24
              +2
              Well, of course ... Qatar is such a complex, immense and multinational state like Russia ... We found something to compare.
        2. Gecko
          Gecko 26 June 2013 21: 12
          +7
          Sorry compared xyz with a finger, Putin’s main merit was he pressed the oligarchs to the nail in time and separated them from politics, and you have them all in one. In Ukraine, industry was at the Russian level, if not better, gas and oil, uranium was obtained for 15 years at prices often even lower than domestic prices and would have received even lower than market prices, developing production further on cheap raw materials, no, you had to cut the bitches off with political verbal diarrhea on which all your industry sat. Everyone has patience until a certain moment, and Russia at a certain moment has ended, and then they are also outraged justifying their own rudeness
          1. sevtrash
            sevtrash 26 June 2013 22: 37
            +1
            Well, who are you talking to? Me, or what? If it’s for me, then I think that if they did not care, then everything is strictly based on market relations, otherwise someone will start to take offense. If politicians and officials do not sit here, they don’t do such nonsense, there are no grandmas here. If zapadentsev, so for them, Russia is always to blame and should, no matter what it was.
            So, dear, filter the market or whatever.
        3. Avenger711
          Avenger711 27 June 2013 08: 26
          -1
          The song about oil and gas is gone again. Well, since it turns out to live without oil and gas, then we are waiting for your separatist "government" at the trial in Moscow.
        4. Ustas
          Ustas 27 June 2013 08: 52
          +2
          Quote: sevtrash
          And the economy in Ukraine must be redone for energy-saving, the state largely depends on IMF loans.

          At the beginning of the XNUMXs, Russia also depended on the IMF, but the leadership had the will to get rid of the bondage of this organization, pay off debts and increase the level of people's well-being.
        5. lesnik340
          lesnik340 28 June 2013 18: 11
          0
          I don’t understand what are you crying about? because according to the results of 2012, the cheapest gas in Kazakhstan was 2,1 rubles per cubic meter, Belarus 2,6 per cubic meter, Ukraine 3,6 per cubic meter do you want to know how much a resident of the same Novosibirsk pays? 4,10 rubles per cubic meter. And from July 1, an increase in gas again.
        6. maxvet
          maxvet 29 June 2013 11: 45
          0
          In Ukraine, there is no war, and there are no borders such as Russia does not have with such neighbors, and the oligarchs in 1998 steered better than the Ukrainian in Ukraine. So you don’t have to write off everything for oil and gas. By the way, Ukraine is a raw material economy, only instead of hydrocarbons, iron ore
    2. Troitsky
      Troitsky 28 June 2013 18: 50
      0
      It seems that a couple of months ago the total GDP of Russia exceeded the total GDP of Germany. Moreover, if you look at the GDP of 2000 and 2013, the difference will not be small!
    3. Nick
      Nick 29 June 2013 06: 44
      0
      Quote: sevtrash
      The main parameter by which it is necessary to determine the success of power is the country's welfare in the form of GDP growth, the HDI.

      This is your opinion, and my opinion, the main parameter is trends, and it is desirable in comparison with global ones. So, Russia's GDP continues to grow gradually, although most developed countries have already entered the recession phase. According to the HDI indicator, Russia is among the countries with a high HDI, and the 2013 report shows that in Russia the HDI has a tendency to increase ...
    4. GSH-18
      GSH-18 1 July 2013 13: 54
      0
      Quote: sevtrash
      And in recent years, nothing to boast about. And talking and demanding the creation of new weapons, their renewal is foolish without the development of the same economy.

      Let's not forget about the difference in the state of our economy over the past decade. By the standards of world development, this is pretty fast. In the 90s we were dipped headlong into a ram, but we quickly left this. Dissatisfaction with a small part of the population of the Russian Federation due to the slowdown in development is caused by the habit of gaining the same pace. Do not forget that Russia is still part of the global economy (which is why the development slowdown due to the crisis is caused), and that Russia looks much better against the background of Western economies! Which is a direct merit of the president and the government. hi
  2. kosmos44
    kosmos44 26 June 2013 11: 23
    14
    Quote: Hon
    And about poverty, according to Germany’s GDP of $ 3,235 trillion per capita, $ 39, Russia's GDP of $ 442 trillion per capita is $ 2,117. At the same time, Germany has practically no mineral resources, and industry is the main locomotive of its economy.


    But it is not necessary to measure all GDPs and bank notes. Should there be any kind of collapse and they are unlikely to start up their GDP and trillions. In a chimney, a fireplace can be heated with paper, only it burns brightly and quickly ends. Europe should pray for us, and not indicate how to live. It is a pity that some do not understand this.
    1. Hon
      Hon 26 June 2013 11: 33
      0
      Quote: kosmos44
      But it is not necessary to measure all GDPs and bank notes. Should there be any kind of collapse and they are unlikely to start up their GDP and trillions. In a chimney, a fireplace can be heated with paper, only it burns brightly and quickly ends. Europe should pray for us, and not indicate how to live. It is a pity that some do not understand this.

      And we mean we will eat oil? Russia now imports agricultural products a little more than half of what is consumed. Of course you say they say they can provide for themselves. But for this it is necessary to first raise the enterprise, and this is done with us oh how not quickly. And Germany, by the way, is a very large producer, so about paper this is not for her, but we have all the successes and achievements in the economy associated with the price of a barrel. By the way, Russia is not a monopolist in the supply of energy resources; there is an alternative from whom to buy oil and gas.
      1. xan
        xan 26 June 2013 12: 30
        +9
        Quote: Hon
        Russia now imports agricultural products a little more than half of the consumed

        it's a lie
        the whiner wants to say that without the West we will have nothing
        when they lie so directly, they always pursue any goals
        what are your goals, whiner?
        1. satellite
          satellite 26 June 2013 16: 39
          +4
          And you yourself are generally proud of what other than the SU-35 aircraft, we don't know how to make cars (screwdriver production is BUT that's all), machine tools (heavy machine tool factories are all sold out for the warehouses of "Magnet" "Pyaterochka" and "Ashanov"), a clock industry in w ... e are limited to single orders, the weaving industry is at the level of the Chinese in 1975, there is no electronics at all, but what is only a miserable semblance. there is no one to work there and invent in general there are no conditions, there are only conditions for buy and sell and so go tell your stories to children
          1. poquello
            poquello 26 June 2013 22: 59
            +2
            Quote: satelite
            And you yourself are generally proud of what other than the SU-35 aircraft, we don't know how to make cars (screwdriver production is BUT that's all), machine tools (heavy machine tool factories are all sold out for the warehouses of "Magnet" "Pyaterochka" and "Ashanov"), a clock industry in w ... e are limited to single orders, the weaving industry is at the level of the Chinese in 1975, there is no electronics at all, but what is only a miserable semblance. there is no one to work there and invent in general there are no conditions, there are only conditions for buy and sell and so go tell your stories to children


            Tovarsch, you get off the armored car with slogans, otherwise I'll start minus. More specifically, please, otherwise I bought a "magnet" for a long time idle garment factory. Truncated, no sweatshirts - I'm going to hang myself, but we release socks - no, I won't hang myself.
            1. aviator_IAS
              aviator_IAS 26 June 2013 23: 33
              +7
              Quote: poquello
              More specifically, please, otherwise I bought a "magnet" for a long time idle garment factory. Truncated, no sweatshirts - I'm going to hang myself, but we release socks - no, I won't hang myself.


              There is nowhere more specific. In my city, out of almost 40 enterprises, NOT ONE now works. And the third part of these factories worked for export. Special thanks to am a former governor who should have hung around the lantern long ago, but instead represents the region on the Federation Council.

              Exaggerate with sweatshirts.
              1. poquello
                poquello 26 June 2013 23: 51
                +1
                From me, plus, actually about this, I’m terrified.

                "There is nowhere more specifically. Out of almost 40 enterprises in my city, NOT ONE is working now."

                City ghost or what?
              2. foxhound
                foxhound 29 June 2013 06: 31
                0
                I don’t know what state you live in, in our Urals the construction of a new enterprise is in full swing (titanium valley). years does not pass, so as not to build any housing. Verkhnyaya Salda, the city where I live, has a population of 52000, is close to half a million Tagil, but our housing will soon reach the prices of Yekaterinburg. All enterprises operate, s / n more than in Tagil ...
                1. INVESTOR
                  INVESTOR 29 June 2013 10: 51
                  +1
                  The land is healthy))) I also plow from Tagil NTMK, it was shitty with the roads, but now it’s kind of taken, and you can live quite nicely with yourself.
              3. GSH-18
                GSH-18 1 July 2013 14: 09
                0
                Quote: aviator_IAS
                In my city, out of almost 40 enterprises, NOT ONE now works. And the third part of these factories worked for export. Special thanks to am the former governor, who should have hung around the lantern for a long time.

                What do you want, dear ?! When the political system changes, the economic system also changes whether you want it or not. Everything that worked under socialism will not work under capitalism. In the Russian case, everything is built on the ruins of the past, from scratch and again, such is the given. And stop whining already about this. We had to think before, when the Soviet Union collapsed! And now, only forward, and there is nothing to look back. yes
            2. satellite
              satellite 27 June 2013 15: 43
              +1
              Ivanovo heavy machine tool plant, the old director Kabaidze expanded the plant and introduced new technologies, even the Japanese came to him to gain experience. Now the floor of the plant is warehouses "Magnit" and the second half of the plant knows what it is doing, the Ivanovo plant Tochpribor has fallen apart now, the building materials warehouse, Ivanovo worsted combine (these are 6 productions, 29 workshops, 113 sites, 302 complex brigades) NOW is the REAL store and so I can list the whole city for you from the meat-packing plant to the Petrovsky distillery located in the region, which was closed to please the Ossetian alcohol lobby represented by your government, and if you travel around the country .... this is all that remains of production power # 2: warehouses, shops, pipelines and oil rigs. So you idiot sideways son
              1. poquello
                poquello 28 June 2013 22: 34
                +2
                This is your city from magical privatization has not yet recovered, IMHO all grabbed the people who do not need plants. We will be closer to the Moscow Region, have been ill for a long time. The plants are working, a bunch of new enterprises have been born, many more successful than the old ones of a similar profile. The manufacturing market is working. There is something to be proud of, take a word.

                "if you travel around the country .... that's all that remains of the manufacturing power # 2: warehouses, shops, pipelines and oil rigs"

                You don’t go there, son.
              2. urus12
                urus12 28 June 2013 22: 41
                +2
                Feels like the hand of a communist from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. Bu-BU-BU and that's it. If you are such an adult, and do not understand a damn thing what is happening, then you are a dimwitted person. Example: Volzhsky Automobile Plant! Say our cars are not there? Say ours can only make buckets? Say that only rams are sitting (inept)? Fuck two! We know how to make cars! And people are big-headed! And potential, God forbid everyone. Only here is the trouble the Communists once slipped into their ranks Zaslantsy (people who wanted to have advantages over the masses). And these, if I may say so, did not think about the country but thought about the pocket. And when the moment came, they grabbed everything into their own hands. And they do not care that the country is in the ass, the main thing is the pocket! Moreover, the mistake was that there was no development in the national economy, i.e. what people consume. There was a kind of mug at the VAZ plant and said, "They are buying! Why invent something! And this was everywhere throughout the USSR. The machines of 1961 are standing and working, since the groundwork was made when the people had enthusiasm for a bright future. And now whine that Everything is very bad, not fucking! As of today, not a single plant is competitive. It turns out that we did not potentiate anything, but on the contrary we win. Because we need to develop new technologies.
                Why have a bunch of plants? Isn't it better to build 4-5 but already modern and better than abroad. You ask where to put all the people? Here you have to think !!!
        2. Stas
          Stas 27 June 2013 19: 40
          0
          It’s not necessary to be rude here !!! Not at the bazaar. And imported agricultural products more than half in Siberia and the Far East - this is a fact with which it is difficult to argue. It’s enough to go shopping: almost all imported fruits and vegetables (Central Asian, Chinese and others, you can count Russian on fingers). So you don’t have to shag your grandmother here!
          1. poquello
            poquello 28 June 2013 22: 48
            +1
            “And more than half of agricultural products are imported in Siberia and the Far East - this is a fact that is difficult to argue with. It is enough to go shopping: almost all fruits and vegetables are imported (Central Asian, Chinese and other, Russian can be counted on the fingers). shaggy grandma! "

            Let them shag their traders, although in the USSR we had good fruit and vegetables only in the bazaar Chuchmeks had.
          2. GSH-18
            GSH-18 1 July 2013 14: 21
            0
            Quote: Stas
            A imported agricultural products more than half in Siberia and the Far East

            But in the Southern Federal District of imported agricultural products 10-15% of the force. It can only be seen in supermarkets (everything is local in the markets). So do not shag grandmother.
      2. Dejavu
        Dejavu 26 June 2013 12: 58
        22
        In addition to greenhouse tomatoes from a local producer and Chinese, I did not see a couple of kilometers from my city because of a river. Consequently, at least the Amur Region does not import half of agricultural products. Just don’t tell me that Altai and the Krasnodar Territory are importing something, I’m screaming with those who live there. If in Maskva and St. Petersburg supermarket directors do not allow local farmers to their shelves due to the fact that they do not have money to roll back for shelves at eye level, this does not mean that these products are not. Take a ride in the suburbs in the fall. You will be overwhelmed with potatoes and other vegetables for pennies. We have everything, we certainly will not die of hunger. And on account of the alternative gas for Europe. - Do not forget about the throughput of pipelines.
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 26 June 2013 13: 03
          +4
          a bunch of people have homestead plots and dachas, some people have a private courtyard in the villages, so we won't die of hunger. I agree with the pro-Putin members of the forum. but the economy is not only a "devour", the fall in hydrocarbon prices Russia is very hard will accept (in the field of economics)
          1. Dejavu
            Dejavu 26 June 2013 13: 54
            +2
            That is yes. But I think we'll get out.
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer 26 June 2013 14: 03
              +3
              there will be no choice.
              1. foxhound
                foxhound 29 June 2013 06: 45
                +1
                Yes, ordinary people do not even see it. here’s a recent crisis, for example ... I both worked and I work, as I got mine, I get it. where is he crisis? as in that joke: I’m lyudmila kuzovatova, mother of 9 children. Explain to me what are critical days? ..
          2. dimon-media
            dimon-media 26 June 2013 19: 32
            -1
            In which case, hydrocarbon prices can begin to dictate themselves, if it comes to principles. As for the countries of hydrocarbon buyers, if they take it with hostility, I have a joke for them: a Russian and a Jew were shipwrecked, saved on an uninhabited island. Russian caught a suitcase with money, and a Jew a box of sausage. They sit for a long time. The Jew took out the sausage, began to eat, the Russian asked: “Hey, Jew, sell the bar?” “Jew: a million dollars!” - Russian: what’s so expensive? - Jew: well, go to the market, you will find cheaper!
            Z.Y. What is the moral? for lack of alternatives for hydrocarbons, they will buy from us both gas and oil at any OUR price! For no matter how industrially developed the state is, any production is tied to hydrocarbons.
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer 26 June 2013 19: 48
              +4
              The Russian Federation will not be able to dictate prices at will. There are enough hydrocarbons in the Gulf countries. They are able to bring down the price, despite the fact that delivery from there is more expensive. There is cheaper production. There is such an organization, OPEC. No one will give the Russian Federation the right to dictate its price on hydrocarbons. even the USSR couldn’t.
          3. rainufa
            rainufa 26 June 2013 22: 44
            +1
            We survived in the 90s, got out (!), Why should we be afraid.
        2. xan
          xan 26 June 2013 13: 13
          +6
          Quote: dejavu
          If in Maskva and St. Petersburg supermarket directors do not allow local farmers to their shelves because

          I live in St. Petersburg
          from imports, the wife buys only fascist cheese from the cocks, Finnish Valio butter, well, the pork and beef is likely to be imported,
          wine from Europe, our vodka
          everything else is exactly ours
          1. Dejavu
            Dejavu 26 June 2013 14: 06
            +7
            See how good. So the devil is not so terrible :) I don’t know, but in Russia it is simply a sin to have problems with domestic products. It seems to me that there is only one problem left between farmers and sellers - resellers and intermediaries with their markups. This vicious chain would be broken and our farmers would have reached a completely different level and the buyer, that is, we would be glad to OUR vegetables.
            1. Jin
              Jin 26 June 2013 14: 16
              +5
              Quote: dejavu
              It seems to me that there is only one problem left between farmers and sellers


              Yeah, one, but what a "size"! this is where the kneading begins ... They offer such prices that farmers work at a loss ... And at the expense of the cost of the same fish! Until it reaches the store from the "fishermen", it becomes gold! And parasites feed on this, reselling it to each other and so where do not throw ...
            2. vyatom
              vyatom 26 June 2013 17: 37
              +2
              Quote: dejavu
              It seems to me that there is only one problem left between farmers and sellers - resellers and intermediaries with their markups

              It's time to remove the resellers
              1. Jin
                Jin 26 June 2013 17: 56
                +2
                Quote: vyatom
                maybe it's time to remove the resellers


                It is advisable not to remove, but to "remove" drinks And it’ll become easier to breathe
          2. matross
            matross 26 June 2013 15: 52
            +1
            Quote: xan
            everything else is exactly ours

            What about fruits and vegetables? What about potatoes? All import!
            Guilt, by the way, and our full, normal quality.
            PS Hello fellow countryman from St. Petersburg!
            1. vyatom
              vyatom 26 June 2013 17: 40
              +2
              Still, in large supermarkets in St. Petersburg, vegetables and fruits are imported in large quantities. In small shops, the situation is better. But I still try to take vegetables grown in the gardens of the Leningrad region.
            2. POMA
              POMA 26 June 2013 19: 22
              +3
              I agree with the fruits, you still need to understand the northern country, vegetables, potatoes do not tell me young potatoes appeared all in the same magnet from the KRASNODAR REGION on June 1 and who lives in Len. Everyone knows that the potato is LOCAL. One oddly writes an Egyptian carrot, so see where our lies are near! The meat in the region is where each store sells its LOCAL, there is even an ostrich farm near Gatchina, there are all kinds of meat, PAIN is not freezing. Since 2007, Russia has 100% pork production in pork 80% in beef 40% (I don’t argue here) export all our milk in our eggs (even read Finnish where they also produce Valio butter)
              It seems that we live in the same country, but we feel like we go to different shops.
              1. xan
                xan 26 June 2013 21: 58
                +1
                Roma, hello countryman!
                I completely agree with the post. In the shops there are imported fruits and vegetables, but mine takes only ours or goes to the market, where it takes ours again, well, or something like Azerbaijani-Uzbek.
                Quote: POMA
                all our milk (even read Finnish where they also produce Valio butter)

                about Valio, I have long suspected that ours.
              2. matross
                matross 27 June 2013 13: 17
                +1
                Quote: POMA
                POMA

                In the Leningrad region and in large chain stores in St. Petersburg, the situation is fundamentally different. And "Valio", specially looked - made in Finland.
                Best regards hi
            3. GSH-18
              GSH-18 1 July 2013 14: 34
              0
              Quote: matRoss
              What about fruits and vegetables? What about potatoes? All import!
              Guilt, by the way, and our full, normal quality.
              PS Hello fellow countryman from St. Petersburg!

              You probably only go to supermarkets. agricultural products in them are treated with ethylene oxide (such a gas) for "pasteurization", which is why it lays on the shelves for so long without spoiling. This gas is at least not useful. So go better to the market - you will be pleasantly surprised, and healthier! hi
        3. shark
          shark 26 June 2013 13: 55
          +1
          We are Russians. There will come a famine, scratch oneself! And overwhelm stores with our products. In the meantime, it’s going as it is. There’s no way to go — such a mentality.
        4. poquello
          poquello 26 June 2013 23: 32
          +2
          So, statements about imported products drove me into a stupor, for a long time I tried to find import in my diet - I found it, the cream cheese and was made in Kyrgyzstan.

          "If in Muskwa and St. Petersburg directors of supermarkets do not let local farmers on their shelves because they do not have money to rollback for the shelf at eye level, this does not mean that these products are not there."

          Yes. This is a disaster and very dangerous, and they squeeze out small shops. I am glad that supermarkets are still competing between the chains, after the deal-sharing they will have a buyer in all holes.
        5. Millavellor
          Millavellor 28 June 2013 08: 50
          +2
          I will insert my 5 kopecks about the "development" of agriculture in Russia. My relatives live in a village in the Voronezh region. Rossoshansky district (my parents are from there). Tu and so. About 20 kilometers from the village there is a large urban settlement that was bought by some agricultural holding a long time ago. And gradually this holding began to expand. The turn came to our village. The collective farm was completely redeemed. What do you think happened next? Has innovation and modernization come? Do you have a ton of jobs? No matter how it is. They took out ALL the equipment and ALL the cattle. Completely. People just don't have jobs. If before they plowed, sowed, mowed, women worked on the farm, now there is NOTHING. People were stupidly thrown out into the street. If anyone knows, before every collective farmer had so-called "shares". Those. their "share" from the harvest. This is several tons of grain per year. This grain was fed to their animals. Now this is not the case either. This is how agriculture develops. I do not want to say that this is only in Russia. Ours is no better. I would say even worse. All the farms have long been dismantled and built into shopping centers. The meat is imported from China, but the news shows that Kazakhstan wants to become one of the main exporters of meat in the world. Complete nonsense. Maybe he wrote a little messy, but it is so ... Cry of the soul already.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 28 June 2013 12: 53
            0
            Quote: Millavellor
            All farms have long been dismantled and built from them shopping centers.

            Have you ever seen one farm in your eyes? Where there are farms, nobody needs shopping centers.
            1. Millavellor
              Millavellor 1 July 2013 09: 21
              0
              I saw it, don't worry. I'm just saying what is happening in our country. Our entire city (Pavlodar) knows very well that one of the largest shopping complexes in the city "Tulpar" was built from the former cowsheds and pigsties. And half of Arthur. So that...
          2. GSH-18
            GSH-18 1 July 2013 14: 44
            0
            Quote: Millavellor
            Have a bunch of jobs? No matter how. ALL equipment and ALL cattle were taken out. Completely. People just don't have a job. If earlier they plowed, sowed mowing, women worked on the farm, now there is NOTHING. People stupidly thrown out into the street.

            And where did these people look when the collective farm chairman traded their land ??? And now, then their president is to blame ?! request
        6. foxhound
          foxhound 29 June 2013 06: 40
          0
          I support. besides, if Europe really has an alternative, why does it allow the Russians so hated by them to build the northern stream? why does not agree with the UAE ?, or others ?! they have no alternative.
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 1 July 2013 14: 53
            0
            Quote: foxhound
            I support. besides, if Europe really has an alternative, why does it allow the Russians so hated by them to build the northern stream? why does not agree with the UAE ?, or others ?! they have no alternative.

            laughing my friend, it’s just so simple at first glance .. Big business is always linked to big politics, it’s an axiom. We just agreed with the Euro-forming country EU-Germany. Thus allowing her to bank gas in the EU. Look where most of our gas comes to, and you will understand. In return, Germany is lobbying our interests in the EU, because on our gas it is cutting money and increasing political weight!
      3. kosmos44
        kosmos44 26 June 2013 13: 44
        -6
        Quote: Hon
        And Germany, by the way, is a very large producer, so about paper this is not for her, but we have all the successes and achievements in the economy associated with the price of a barrel.


        Let's give Mr. Poo a standing ovation. For the fact that in almost 14 years of rule he brought the country to such "prosperity"! That Stalin in 15 years, after the end of the war, managed not only to raise the country, but also launched a man into space. Is there anything to compare with? Don't you travel around the country? Before you go - fields, fields, fields - everything is planted. And now - "Land for sale". Chips all around. And it is not difficult to return agriculture. Any foreign trading company, such as "Koleichka, Pyaterochka, Magnet, etc., will wrap the" flippers ". People themselves will reach for the earth. Hunger is not aunt. Passed, we know.
        1. Dejavu
          Dejavu 26 June 2013 14: 00
          +5
          Googlemap to help if you want to look at the fields. Yes, and googlemapte in the cities of the regions, not the Russian Priestess. Your whining is painfully worthless. Do not blame me.
          1. kosmos44
            kosmos44 26 June 2013 14: 14
            -2
            Quote: dejavu
            Googlemap to help if you want to look at the fields. Yes, and googlemapte in the cities of the regions, not the Russian Priestess. Your whining is painfully worthless. Do not blame me.


            Dear "GUGLMAPTE" yourself, or even better, go to the nearest store and look for domestic products.
            1. Dejavu
              Dejavu 26 June 2013 14: 24
              +3
              I have nothing but them :)
              1. Stas
                Stas 28 June 2013 06: 07
                0
                Dejavu
                I have nothing but them :)


                So speak specifically for yourself, not for the whole country and do not impose your opinion on everyone. And then somehow it turns out funny. Do you travel around the country a lot, have you been to many cities? So first, gather information tightly, and then throw words. Someone saw Krasnodar, Kuban apples, grapes, strawberries, pears, carrots and so on. further central Russia??? I personally have not met. But from Central Asia, China - in bulk.
            2. Strezhevchanin
              Strezhevchanin 26 June 2013 15: 50
              +4
              Quote: kosmos44
              look for domestic products.

              Yes, I looked for a very long laugh at the potatoes from Egypt, at the carrots from Poland ... you can beat a kilo of these vegetables on a blender and fertilize 12 hundred laughing
              1. poquello
                poquello 27 June 2013 00: 18
                +3
                "Yes, I was laughing for a very long time looking at potatoes from Egypt, carrots from Poland ... a kilo of these vegetables can be whipped in a blender and fertilized with 12 hundred."

                I don’t understand one thing, if they sell it, it means someone is buying. Once I tried bourgeois strawberries - it’s better to paint the cucumber in red.
              2. rainufa
                rainufa 2 July 2013 17: 11
                0
                What are you guys? We have been drought for 4 years now, so we are buying potatoes and vegetables from abroad, and food safety has not been violated. We ensure our production, the only exception is that it does not grow in our latitudes.

                Moscow specialists investigated the causes of drought, found a clue in the strata, it turned out that this is the way natural processes work. Drought is cyclical about every 40 years of intermittent prosperity, followed by a drought of several years.

                So, as they say, do not drive.
        2. soldier's grandson
          soldier's grandson 26 June 2013 14: 42
          +4
          correctly noticed this because it’s more profitable for our goats from the government to sell imported to their people than to raise their villages
          1. Dejavu
            Dejavu 26 June 2013 16: 01
            +8
            Do not carry nonsense, dear. What kind of goats do you personally sell imported? You are brought vegetables from another country, you have the choice to buy or not. Take ours and the issue is resolved. And do not lie that only imports are on the shelves.
            To the second question about the village. Who do you think should work in the countryside? The state gives money to the village, but no one goes there because everyone needs civilization. Businessmen farmers can not find a pair of sober hands in the village. Do you want to say the government is guilty that the man is drinking? Yes and no. Nobody forbids a peasant to grow his cattle, vegetables and bread for his food. The village fully feeds the working man. But the workers left for the city, and the losers and loafers thump further. Here you have the whole truth about the village.

            I want to go to the village, build an eco-house and raise children in nature, and I will teach them to understand that the light in the city did not converge and there is nothing special to do there except to eat chemistry and breathe poison from the exhaust pipes. I hope that such thoughts will not only fill my head and there will be people who will want to work in the countryside besides rest. You see, the village will become popular not only for extreme sports.
            1. matross
              matross 26 June 2013 16: 28
              +4
              Quote: dejavu
              I want to go to the village, build an eco house and raise children in nature

              If you fulfill your dream - excellent, many, including myself, will envy you. Although hard to believe. In any case, the idea is good, good luck!
              1. Dejavu
                Dejavu 27 June 2013 03: 03
                0
                Thanks :)
            2. soldier's grandson
              soldier's grandson 26 June 2013 16: 54
              +6
              Tell me, dear, where do they give money for the village? you are far from village and village grew on asphalt for example it’s not profitable for me to go to my village at our prices for fuel and lubricants but it’s more profitable to buy an imported one or try to start an economy and find out what time it will rise so I tell our government to give a damn about the people
              1. Dejavu
                Dejavu 27 June 2013 03: 07
                +1
                try to start a farm and find out what time it will rise


                This will get you into the straw and water from the well. I was there on Sunday for the last time, I met an elderly woman with whom I agreed to buy milk, cottage cheese and other delights from her. She has TEN cows. No husband. Two daughters. Therefore, do not tell me stories about the gold content of cows.
                1. Hleb
                  Hleb 27 June 2013 04: 09
                  -1
                  This will get you in straw and water from the well. I agreed on the purchase of milk, cottage cheese and other delights from her
                  laughing I would like to look at these charms. on straw then .. poor cows)
                2. Dejavu
                  Dejavu 27 June 2013 05: 30
                  +1
                  In the summer, grass, but flowers - what can I see, normal milk will be.
            3. INVESTOR
              INVESTOR 29 June 2013 11: 28
              -1
              There are still highly liquid plants such as other cocas)))
          2. kris
            kris 26 June 2013 17: 16
            +2
            Quote: dejavu
            I want to go to the village, build an eco-house and raise children in nature, and I will teach them to understand that the light in the city did not converge and there is nothing special to do there except to eat chemistry and breathe poison from the exhaust pipes.

            I'm with you !
            1. Dejavu
              Dejavu 27 June 2013 03: 08
              0
              I'll probably open a blog about moving to a village. And it is necessary to create a movement "Everyone to the village!" laughing
              1. Hleb
                Hleb 27 June 2013 04: 47
                +2
                Yes, you at least briefly told here how to grow a cow from a calf and how much you will have from it at a later time, at all costs. Physical work can not be considered. Although, if you write about straw, as about feed or the only cost ...
              2. Dejavu
                Dejavu 27 June 2013 05: 34
                0
                About the only costs you yourself conceived. No need to confuse the imagery of expression and the essence of things.
              3. Hleb
                Hleb 27 June 2013 05: 45
                0
                belay Eat normally!
                This will get you into the straw and water from the well. I was there on Sunday for the last time, I met an elderly woman with whom I agreed to buy milk, cottage cheese and other delights from her. She has TEN cows. No husband. Two daughters. Therefore, do not tell me stories about the gold content of cows.
                but about a woman, ten cows, cottage cheese and milk, too, figuratively? at least I would mark chtoli, where you need to turn figurative thinking on and off bully
      4. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 26 June 2013 17: 45
        +4
        Find a farmer who pays for the job? so the normal ones left and the farmers at the farmer’s pack for mankind knead bukhari
      5. vyatom
        vyatom 26 June 2013 17: 45
        +7
        Quote: dejavu
        I want to go to the village, build an eco-house and raise children in nature, and I will teach them to understand that the light in the city did not converge and there is nothing special to do there except to eat chemistry and breathe poison from the exhaust pipes. I hope that such thoughts will not only fill my head and there will be people who will want to work in the countryside besides rest. You see, the village will become popular not only for extreme sports.

        Come on, come on. And try to sell your products to someone at a loss. If even in prosperous European countries the state supports its agricultural producer, then there is nothing to talk about us.
        1. Jin
          Jin 26 June 2013 18: 43
          +3
          Quote: vyatom
          Come on, come on. And try to sell your products to someone at a loss


          + Let him ride. An eco-friendly house, as a colleague writes, is nature ... A person is a little lost in real life ... or in the snares of his imagination. Although it’s healthy, dreams ... And God forbid that all this would come true! From the heart!
          1. Dejavu
            Dejavu 27 June 2013 03: 17
            +2
            I am a realist pragmatist, and even an accountant for 3 years now. I do not entertain myself with any illusions, for I am the father of my child and the husband of my wife, therefore I have no right to commit rash acts and fly in the clouds, dreaming of a pipe dream. In the city I will lease my property, on the money from the subsidy and on my own money I will build a house. Projects are already on the table, it remains to adjust the budget within the means. There is nothing fantastic about this, banal calculations. Thanks for the wishes and kind words of Jin. :)
          2. Jin
            Jin 27 June 2013 18: 56
            0
            Quote: dejavu
            I am a realist pragmatist, and even an accountant for 3 years now. I do not entertain myself with any illusions, for I am the father of my child and the husband of my wife, therefore I have no right to commit rash acts and fly in the clouds, dreaming of a pipe dream.


            God help you! I am glad that everything is so positive with you, that you do not have the right to make a mistake ... you have, everyone has. "Man proposes, but the Lord disposes" and one more "From prison and from the bag, do not renounce." Be very careful, plans are on the table, this is great, but real home and stability are different. I mean that in our state, which you admire so much, anything can happen. Accomplishments to you, everything planned!
            Sincerely.
      6. Dejavu
        Dejavu 27 June 2013 03: 10
        0
        I will not sell it, I WILL BE IT!
      7. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 29 June 2013 11: 30
        0
        It is necessary to learn from the experience of Afghan farmers))) and drive chistogan into the geyropu with steam locomotives)))
    2. Motors1991
      Motors1991 26 June 2013 19: 54
      +5
      One problem, it’s good if you live not far from the big city, and even better in the suburbs, and if it’s 50-60 kilometers, who needs your products in the village? And it’s unprofitable to bring them to the city. That's where the good uncles and kind aunts who ten kopecks will be bought by you all, you’ll still be glad you don’t get five. In Soviet times, there were zagotokontors who bought milk, meat, and skins at fixed prices. It was clear that they could not do without petty cheating, but the person knew about how much he would earn, having grown a bull-calf, a ram, a rabbit. Now there is nothing of this, at least in Ukraine.
  3. GSH-18
    GSH-18 1 July 2013 15: 22
    -1
    Quote: Soldier's grandson
    this is because it’s more profitable for our goats from the government to sell imported to their people than to raise their villages

    You are clearly confusing the functions of our government with the functions of directors of chain supermarkets and other trading organizations. The government does not trade in anything; it has other functions. Let's not be likened to Ivan the fool, who, if something is wrong, immediately, the Tsar is to blame!
    1. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 1 July 2013 18: 07
      -2
      and what do you know for their functions? such a business mimio these mouths does not pass
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 1 July 2013 18: 22
        -1
        Quote: Soldier's grandson
        and what do you know for their functions? such a business mimio these mouths does not pass

        Well, you are directly an expert on governments! wassat Justify your statement?
        1. soldier's grandson
          soldier's grandson 1 July 2013 22: 39
          0
          I won’t give an example; it’s obvious to you that you are a stubborn ram with horns in the ground
  • Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 26 June 2013 15: 45
    +2
    Quote: kosmos44
    People themselves will reach the earth. Hunger is not aunt. Passed, we know.

    Yes, in general, they didn’t stop working on earth, that in the 80s, 90s, 10th ..... the garden remains the main breadwinner fellow
  • vyatom
    vyatom 26 June 2013 17: 42
    +4
    Quote: kosmos44
    For the fact that in almost 14 years of rule he brought the country to such "prosperity"! That Stalin in 15 years, after the end of the war, managed not only to raise the country, but also launched a man into space

    Why are you minus one?
    As long as oil and gas are in price, we can spread rot on our agriculture and buy everything from other countries. Will the oil price fall and where will all the "achievements" of the last 14 years go?
    1. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 29 June 2013 11: 33
      0
      Then, finally, the production of our products will become a priority and finally we will tear off the oil needle, we must look for the best in everything.
  • Jin
    Jin 26 June 2013 18: 14
    +4
    Quote: kosmos44
    Don't you travel around the country? Before you go - fields, fields, fields - everything is planted. And now - "Land for sale". Chips all around.


    I'm wondering! And why are they minding you? After all, the collapse of agriculture and the Russian countryside is evident! + to you than I could - corrected, in my opinion, not very fair minuses.
  • Millavellor
    Millavellor 28 June 2013 09: 02
    0
    Well, somehow I think it is not very correct to compare the post-war period and the present. Well, at least think about how many thousands of prisoners of war worked to rebuild the country. They worked for the ration, not for the money. And now de take them (prisoners)? No, I do not argue that there was no corruption then. I think that if the state had resolved this issue and much would have changed. It seems to me that people are annoyed not so much by the level of current life as by the level of corruption. If our people saw that all the country's resources are directed to its development, they would "understand and forgive" a lot.
  • INVESTOR
    INVESTOR 29 June 2013 11: 10
    0
    Stalin seemed to lean back at 53 .. and the war (with Germany) at 45 ended .. the country was raised by the people inspired by the Great Victory, so he had nothing to do with it ... for the atomic bomb, he answered.
  • GSH-18
    GSH-18 1 July 2013 15: 06
    0
    Quote: kosmos44
    Any foreign trading company, such as Koleichka, Pyaterochka, Magnet, etc. will wrap up the "flippers".

    "Magnet" -100% Russian company. Central office in Krasnodar. (mind you, not in Moscow). Domestic network companies are an important part of the trade and linguistic link, which fills the Russian table with Russian-made food, and is a buyer of a Russian agricultural manufacturer, thereby contributing to its development.
    1. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 1 July 2013 18: 09
      0
      you don’t know anything about the magnet except that the office is in Krasnodar
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 1 July 2013 19: 10
        0
        Quote: Soldier's grandson
        you don’t know anything about the magnet except that the office is in Krasnodar

        Well, share it with the audience. Or do not get clever without setting out any useful information!
  • mihasik
    mihasik 26 June 2013 15: 46
    0
    But how to raise at least agriculture, if the very supermarkets that most of our people go to, simply refuse our producer? They sell 90% of imported products. And what about ours? You do not sell much in the markets. They simply do not develop production ...
    1. kris
      kris 26 June 2013 17: 17
      +2
      Quote: mihasik
      if the same supermarkets that most of our people go to,

      do not go to supermarkets!
      1. aviator_IAS
        aviator_IAS 27 June 2013 23: 57
        0
        Quote: kris
        do not go to supermarkets!


        And if you have nowhere else to go? Our city was divided between two large retail chains, crushing almost all the small shops. On the outskirts and yards there are still stalls and kiosks, but they sell the same thing there, but 1,5-2 times more expensive. The calculation for those who live nearby and do not trample in the supermarket for two stops. Only agricultural fairs on weekends help out. Only there you can buy goods from a local manufacturer.
  • mark7
    mark7 26 June 2013 23: 21
    0
    By the way, there are opinions that these energy resources have remained for 25 years, although this is a state secret, but even so it may already be worth thinking about children and taking an example from China, for example
  • mark7
    mark7 26 June 2013 23: 21
    0
    By the way, there are opinions that these energy resources have remained for 25 years, although this is a state secret, but even so it may already be worth thinking about children and taking an example from China, for example
  • Samaritan
    Samaritan 26 June 2013 23: 47
    +2
    Hon
    In Russia, 6600 - 2000 11570 - 2011, 17709 per capita in 2012, and as of May 2013 23 600!
    I think I noticed a trend!
  • Setrac
    Setrac 27 June 2013 05: 36
    +2
    Quote: Hon
    Russia now imports agricultural products a little more than half of what is consumed.

    This "agricultural production" is something that does not grow in our country because of the harsh climate; Russia produces the main products itself.
    Quote: Hon
    And Germany, by the way, is a very large manufacturer

    Germany depends on access to foreign markets.
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 26 June 2013 13: 38
    +3
    According to the World Bank for 2012: Russia-3380, Germany-3307
  • maxvik
    maxvik 26 June 2013 12: 24
    +5
    This is all true, but not all.
    The capitalist system did not receive these achievements in the economy for free. In return they had to do:
    1. Refuse traditional moral and ethical values. We got an atomized uncontrolled society, LGBT people, pedophilia, degeneration of the nation, etc.
    2. The need for continuous struggle for cheap resources with weak states.
    Moreover, the first paragraph complicates the second. Per capita income is a relative indicator, because, for example, Germany has very high taxes.
    1. Hon
      Hon 26 June 2013 13: 06
      +4
      Quote: maxvik
      1. Refuse traditional moral and ethical values. We got an atomized uncontrolled society, LGBT people, pedophilia, degeneration of the nation, etc.

      They didn’t refuse, the Germans work and study a lot, and therefore have achieved a lot. LGBT people do not bother them, they are no less intolerant of pedophiles than we are and the terms for such crimes are serious, Russia, by the way, until recently was a place of pilgrimage for pedophiles along with Thailand.
      About the degeneration of the nation, you are probably right, the desire to earn money makes you push your family to the background. Oddly enough, but we may be able to avoid a similar problem, the desire to give birth to our girls is great, and even financial benefits are not an obstacle.
      Quote: maxvik
      2. The need for continuous struggle for cheap resources with weak states.

      Germany does not go into countries for oil; they were not in Iraq and Libya. Their well-being is ensured by production. Germany is in third place in the world in terms of total production and industrial production. In addition, Germany ranks first in the world in terms of exports. Exported products are known worldwide under the brand name Made in Germany.
      Quote: maxvik
      Moreover, the first paragraph complicates the second. Per capita income is a relative indicator, because, for example, Germany has very high taxes.

      At the same time, in Germany, a very high standard of living of 95% of the country's capable population is insured against the provision of expensive medical services and the purchase of medicines. Living wage - 331 euros per month for the head of the family and 80% of this amount for each next family member. Minimum standards for housing: for one person - 45 sq.m, for two - 60 sq.m, for three - 75 sq.m. etc.
      Housing prices are lower than ours, the high cost of housing and communal services, but then this money is fully worked out, and we are stolen.
      High taxes are offset by social guarantees. At the same time, there is a minimum tax-free minimum for income tax of 5616 Euro per year for single and 11232 Euro for couples.
      1. maxvik
        maxvik 26 June 2013 13: 28
        +1
        In terms of hard work - I completely agree. But further it is interesting: LGBT people were previously condemned, but now they no longer "interfere". And then what will stop progress in the adoption of pedophilia. The liberal worldview will gradually squeeze this issue too.

        Quote: Hon
        About the degeneration of the nation, you are probably right

        Already this is enough to be critical of other achievements.

        Quote: Hon
        Germany does not go into countries for oil; they were not in Iraq and Libya.

        Yes, but she doesn’t really mind, she just got into bad company, and so she’s all white and fluffy;)
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 27 June 2013 05: 55
          +1
          Quote: maxvik
          Regarding industriousness, I completely agree.

          And I do not agree with Non, a developed industry is, first of all, access to external sales markets, there are no sales markets - there is no industry. Americans forcefully control vast markets around the (almost) world, and share with their vassals, and crush potential competitors in the bud, and no
          Quote: Hon
          Germans work and study a lot, and therefore have achieved a lot.

          no. Pushing rolls in front of the Americans is the key to the success of the Germans and Japanese
      2. Prorox
        Prorox 26 June 2013 13: 57
        +1
        Hon

        Reminds of the mantra "about the German economic miracle" in the 30s and 60s of the last century, in the first case, the Anglo-Saxons needed a successful Hitler (and they did not spare money, they raised a monster, history did not know) to attack the USSR. The Anglo-Saxons played the second game more gracefully "showcase of the West", as opposed to East Germany and the whole of Eastern Europe, they were lucky that at least they did not send them back to war again, that is all German miracles. And if the Germans are so hardworking and efficient, why did they bring so many Turks.
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 26 June 2013 17: 15
      +2
      Quote: maxvik
      In return they had to do:
      1. Refuse traditional moral and ethical values. We got an atomized uncontrolled society, LGBT people, pedophilia, degeneration of the nation, etc.
      In your opinion, "warm" and "soft" are equivalent concepts? What is the connection between a high standard of living and pederasty and pedophilia (why were the homics dragged in again)?


      2. The need for continuous struggle for cheap resources with weak states.
      With which?

      Moreover, the first paragraph complicates the second.
      How so?

      Per capita income is a relative indicator, because, for example, Germany has very high taxes.
      What is a "big tax" in your understanding?

      The fact that per capita income is not an indicator is true, an indicator is disposable incomeAnd here the comparison will not be in our favor: the minimum wage in Germany = 38% of GDP per capita, and in Russia - 12% of GDP at PPP per day, or 17% of the nominal GDP per day.
      1. maxvik
        maxvik 26 June 2013 19: 15
        0
        Quote: Yarosvet
        What is the connection between a high standard of living and pederasty with pedophilia (to which generally homosexuals again got stuck)?


        The basis of capitalism is a consumer society. I think this is understandable. In order for people to consume something all the time (to buy and make money in the economy), it is necessary to stimulate the needs of each person, to inflame his desire for something. To do this, you need to convince him that we live once and to the fullest, give maximum freedom. Well, then the process goes on its own ...

        Quote: Yarosvet
        With which?

        With anyone and there are many in history (Syria, Russia, Iraq, Libya ......)

        Quote: Yarosvet
        How so?

        A population that is focused solely on a continuous increase in prosperity constantly requires new resources, while being little adapted to self-restraint or self-sacrifice, quickly organizes strikes. And any struggle implies destabilization.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 26 June 2013 20: 36
          0
          Quote: maxvik
          The basis of capitalism is a consumer society. In order for the people to consume something all the time, it is necessary to stimulate the needs of each person, to inflame his desire for something. To do this, you need to convince him that we live once and to the fullest, give maximum freedom. Well, then the process goes on its own ...
          Dams ... First of all, you don't really need to instill anything in anyone - the desire for consumption is quite natural for a person. To stimulate it, a slight pressure on the psyche is enough - an advertisement convincing that you really need "all this" (even if you don't really need it). But even better is the purposeful reduction in the resource of the product, as a result of which after a while you have to throw out the thing and buy a new one.

          Further: the maximum "freedom", life for oneself, the elimination of taboos (which is destroyed not at the household level, but at the state level - that is, the process does not go on independently) - lead to degradation and reduction of the population, that is, in fact, it is taken out of the economic process its most important part - the consumer, which in turn leads not only to a reduction in the volume of the economy and losses for entrepreneurs, but also to an increase in the burden on the budget due to an increase in the number of degenerate dependents.

          Therefore, the question again arises - how is a high standard of living and pederasty connected? How does this phenomenon increase the standard of living of the 95 percent traditional majority?

          With anyone and there are many in history (Syria, Russia, Iraq, Libya ......)
          Did we seem to be talking about Germany, not about states?

          A population that is focused solely on a continuous increase in prosperity constantly requires new resources, while being little adapted to self-restraint or self-sacrifice, quickly organizes strikes. And any struggle implies destabilization.
          Tell me - doesn’t it seem to you that this quote of yours contradicts your reasoning on the basis of capitalism? After all, on the basis of your statement, if the population is not aimed at the continuous growth of wealth and resource consumption, will the capitalist system simply crumble?
          1. maxvik
            maxvik 27 June 2013 10: 44
            0
            Quote: Yarosvet
            Tell me - doesn’t it seem to you that this quote of yours contradicts your reasoning on the basis of capitalism? After all, on the basis of your statement, if the population is not aimed at the continuous growth of wealth and resource consumption, will the capitalist system simply crumble?


            Well, in general, this is not my reasoning, much has been written about this.

            Will it be aimed or will it not be aimed? And the question of measures in this process is not considered? This is precisely the inner contradiction of capitalism.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 27 June 2013 14: 33
              +1
              Quote: maxvik
              Well, in general, this is not my reasoning, much has been written about this.
              Of course, many wrote, the question is exactly who, what, and why.

              Will it be aimed or will it not be aimed? And the question of measures in this process is not considered? This is precisely the inner contradiction of capitalism.
              Yes, in general, there is no contradiction: just capitalism, coupled with the economy of loan interest, is a predictably unstable system that has the consequences of a permanent crisis, unhealthy competition, and irrational use of resources.
              The question of measure in the capitalist system cannot be considered simply because the measure will lead to the collapse of the system itself.

              In social terms, all of the above to an ordinary citizen has a very indirect relationship, since in the West only 20 percent of the population over-consume (like ours), and about the same under-consume.
              At us, at least 60% are under-consumed.

              What prevents us from establishing an adequate level of consumption? Just because the country is focused on an unbalanced economy (raw materials and ultra-high technologies), the economy itself is in use by a narrow group of people, and the redistribution is carried out on the principle of flooding the fire.
              All this, of course, gives the illusion of the safety margin of the domestic capsystem (there is room to grow), but firstly it’s only an illusion (this follows from an unbalanced economy), and secondly, this state of affairs clearly shows that the principle of sociality of the state, prescribed in the Constitution, is grossly violated, and the state is social exclusively for big capital.

              And again the question remains - what side did pederasty and other perversions lean against here? laughing
  • Prorox
    Prorox 26 June 2013 13: 16
    +5
    Hon
    Do you often find domestic goods in stores? They are finite, but their share even in the domestic market is not large, and Germany is able to compete with China.

    You are talking about the next Reich called by the European Union (almost 500 mil. People), but a separate Germany (82 mil. People) is not enough that it is. Yes, so far there was something to destroy in neighboring countries (production, agriculture) Germany was swollen, by leaps and bounds, expanding production capacities and markets, in exchange for distributing candy wrappers (euros) for benefits and subsidies (the funny thing is that candy wrappers are not endless). While the new Eurocolonies were sheared even by the French, the Italians fell for others, but as you know, Europe is not endless, there’s already not enough for everyone in Germany as a result to stretch her legs. We tried for flattery in Russia, the slip came out of our cunning ones, we are already exporting it to Lodons.

    Is Germany able to compete with China? I don’t think Germany should even think about it. By the way, the Germans do not even stutter about it, dutifully buying everything in China.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 1 July 2013 15: 43
      0
      Quote: Prorox
      Is Germany able to compete with China? I don’t think Germany should even think about it. By the way, the Germans do not even stutter about it, dutifully buying everything in China.

      Only now they agreed with the states will limit (to put it mildly) access to Chinese goods in their markets. Not only because of the cheap price strangling a European manufacturer, but mainly because of the bullshit quality of these. What I sincerely wish to create in Russia.
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 26 June 2013 13: 34
    +7
    I put a minus. Do not cast a shadow over the wattle fence. According to the World Bank for 2012, Russia overtook Germany by PPP GDP. Indicate the achievements of Germany in aircraft construction, aerospace industry. Shipbuilding has already passed to South Korea and China. It is not necessary to idealize Germany and compare it with China, in those market segments in which they do not even compete.
    1. vyatom
      vyatom 26 June 2013 17: 48
      +1
      Quote: Jurkovs
      I put a minus. Do not cast a shadow over the wattle fence. According to the World Bank for 2012, Russia overtook Germany by PPP GDP. Indicate the achievements of Germany in aircraft construction, aerospace industry. Shipbuilding has already passed to South Korea and China. It is not necessary to idealize Germany and compare it with China, in those market segments in which they do not even compete.

      All right, all right. There are a large number of high-tech industries where Germany is not represented at all. Well, they like to drive Mercedes and BMW with us, and therefore believe that this is the peak of industrial development.
  • egsp
    egsp 26 June 2013 17: 35
    0
    open your eyes, dear! I recently bought an iron and a Bosch charger: both made in china. The fact of the matter is that there are only branches left, and in the metropolises only shawarma and tasty cheburek are sold ...
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 1 July 2013 16: 08
      0
      Quote: egsp
      I recently bought an iron and a Bosch charger: both made in china. The fact of the matter is that there are only branches left, and in the metropolises only shawarma and tasty cheburek are sold.

      A common misconception. This bullshit made in the tire with the names of famous brands is driven straight from the tire only to Russia. In the EU, an advantage is given to a domestic producer whose rights are protected in order to preserve industry. In our stores (and here you are absolutely right) there is nothing except the tire. The quality is exceptionally good. I remember imported devices from the Soviet Union. For example, the Yapovsky dvukhkassetnik (25 years have passed!) Still works for me as new (though now only as a radio, cassettes are not in fashion). Over the course of 2 years EVERYTHING that it had a tire, including a screw! I changed it to Amer and Yapovsky.
  • maokim51
    maokim51 26 June 2013 17: 36
    0
    that’s why we can’t compete, because we have those who are directly dying from the west
  • watching
    watching 26 June 2013 18: 06
    0
    Gentlemen What is 20 years of history,
    Quote: kosmos44
    In the article “A New Perception of Putin” (Scotsman.com), Comrade Warner quotes a couple of quotes from the Internet:


    “I never thought that I would live to the moment when I began to say that I would rather agree with Vladimir Putin than with any of the Western leaders ...”; "We need Putin ..."


    The question is different. Do we need this beggar west ?! Which has nothing but their pseudo-crap with their "cheerful rainbow pedagogues" and a long tongue that would lick the pen-dosam's ass from time to time. The production is gone, it is in Asia. But conceit is off scale. Don't need gas? OK! Let's twist the crank. China needs it. Cut down forests, build stoves. So western rogue, go through the forest.
  • Millavellor
    Millavellor 28 June 2013 08: 12
    0
    Do you want one interesting story about German industry? About 6-7 years ago, I set myself a satellite dish. Well, I decided to buy a Sky Star card on my DVB computer. And all my friends advise like why do you need this dear German garbage, buy a Chinese Twinhan. And it’s one and a half times cheaper, and according to its characteristics, at least not worse. So no, I'm right. I ordered myself through a friend from Germany Sky Star. They brought it. I show the specialist. And what would you think? As it turned out later, these cards are made in China, sent to Germany, where they are packed in beautiful boxes and voila. Of course, I will not say for the whole German industry, but I think that such a share is also a considerable share.
  • pushkin71
    pushkin71 26 June 2013 11: 26
    +5
    Do not completely trust the propaganda of "First" and "Russia". I was in Spain in September and Greece in May. Do you think they are in crisis? Then what do we have?
    In Europe, calmer, safer, cleaner, in the end, than ours. People are polite and pleasant, for the most part. And they have no more rainbows than ours, they just are not hiding.
    And your desire to "twist the crack" is very reminiscent of a tipsy teenager breaking a playground "just like that - neither to yourself, nor to people."
    1. xan
      xan 26 June 2013 12: 24
      -4
      Quote: pushkin71
      Do not completely trust the propaganda of "First" and "Russia". I was in Spain in September and Greece in May.

      urgently check your aikyu
      you remind a crap, who in Moscow concludes about the whole of Russia.
      And what is "propaganda" you do not know at all
      1. pushkin71
        pushkin71 26 June 2013 13: 11
        0
        I am far from Moscow. I'm used to trusting my eyes and I write from what I saw not on TV. And you remove the noodles from the ears and rub your eyes. Aykyushny You are ours.
      2. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 26 June 2013 17: 23
        -1
        Quote: xan

        And what is "propaganda" you do not know at all
    2. Batman
      Batman 26 June 2013 13: 06
      +5
      It’s calmer, safer in Europe

      And now go to Turkey, France, England))) yes to the same Germany)) or do you judge sitting here in Russia? Knowing other people's problems, their own will seem paradise ...
      1. pushkin71
        pushkin71 26 June 2013 13: 20
        0
        Turkey, like Egypt, has nothing to do with it (it seems that you were only in them). But in three other countries it is much safer than in Russia. If you have children, you will understand what I'm talking about. Of course in the Arab quarters in Paris in the evening it is better not to appear, but these quarters are not France at all.
    3. Jin
      Jin 26 June 2013 13: 23
      11
      Quote: pushkin71
      Do you think they have a crisis? Then what do we have?


      I agree. Yes, Putin looks 100% against the background of these clowns, well done ... and over the years he has learned to speak beautifully. Stylish, charismatic, strong-willed ... And? What's next? It's great that the West has become more respectful of Russia. I'm proud of that, honestly! But I, as an ordinary citizen, would like the state, taking care of its imperial ambitions, to take care of you and me, dear ones. And our state only robs us and gives nothing in return! Putin is not able to defeat corruption, even to reduce it at least to some extent, I will modestly keep silent about the rest !!!! If so, then what * ya doesn't win for so many years of reign ??? Who has children, loans, sick parents or relatives, God forbid, disabled people ??? I ask you: "DO YOU LIVE WELL IN RUSSIA?" Dates, children's, mortgage, study? Maybe there is someone here who considers themselves a natural "middle class"? Which one of us guys makes 50-60 tr. ??? I do not take my Moscow colleagues, they have somewhat different categories there. But 50-60 tr., A normal salary for the regions! Or rather, it should be! You can live on this money, more or less at the "European" level ... What are we talking about here. Damn, the Arabs sell oil and gas, so they have it all! And we all go by, and have only a handful of n * arases in the Putin elite. And obese fart-serfs are still free! Che, like Putin does not know? What is Medvedev doing in the government, and Chubais? Guys, it's good to praise Putin, I'm sick already. Yes, he is a good man, strong-willed ... BUT WHY IS SUCH A BARDAK IN THE HOUSE ??? Correctly say, the fish rots from the head! I'm wrong?
      1. Dejavu
        Dejavu 26 June 2013 14: 20
        +4
        Chet you dear suffered. Read about state programs and find out what the state can give you. I have both children and parents who are not quite healthy. No loans, however, with a mortgage - I'm not so stupid as to take them. I live quite comfortably, and do you already know where these clichés about forever robbing you oligarchs, sucking your and our oil? If you pump out ALL oil at one time from Russian lands, divide it into each resident of the country and sell it, you will be surprised how insignificant this amount will be per person. Google, smile. I prefer that Gazprom build stadiums and ice rinks in my city, donate to the Temples and pay frantic oil taxes and insurance contributions to the treasury, which in turn will then retire to my parents and the construction of hospitals and schools, of which there are already many in my mini city. I am not a fan of the oligarchy, but it doesn’t break me that the lion's share of oil and gas revenues goes to the treasury. And that on this someone else is warming his paw, I personally am up to the star. You want the dough, you had to go to the pipeline engineers and work at Rosneft.
        1. Jin
          Jin 26 June 2013 14: 50
          +7
          Quote: dejavu
          Chet you dear suffered.


          Maybe I was "carried away", but "carried" me not from fat, it's a fact. The pipeline engineers say? Well, well ... I don't know what Gazprom set up there and where, as they say here, teachers receive 23000, what subsidies and state programs are there. But I live and every day I go to work on the roads killed in the trash, past heaps of garbage, past the corrupt traffic cops, in ambushes. Every day I hear from my colleagues what kind of f * ck about kindergartens, about extortions in schools and universities, about lawlessness in hospitals. About our militia ... I will not speak, it's disgusting, I came across. You probably haven't heard about the "eternally open" doors of officials in your "small town" either? Are you from Russia for an hour, dear?

          PySy I am very glad for you that you are so smart and do not take loans! Oh, how many smart fools are around you, and I am among them ... I took loans from a good life, believe me, you have to support the poor bankers! I take off my hat to you and I am glad that everything is so rosy with you! And I'm sure that in your town the word "drug addict" and "alcoholic" is heard only from scary, moronic serials like "street of broken lamps"! All the best to you, good and good luck!
          1. Dejavu
            Dejavu 26 June 2013 16: 22
            +1
            Thank you for your wish. I am from Russia and my town is not so "small" that there are no drug addicts, drunks and others. All this exists and not only in Russia. Drive across Latin America. Russia will seem to you such a lovely, peaceful place.

            About garbage - have you ever tried to make your country cleaner and organize a team with friends to clean up the "piles" that oppress you so much? Isn't it your job to clean up heaps? - I know, but if the mayor is a bastard and doesn't do it, then clean up your city yourself. In our country, young people are often satisfied with this, and not from under the stick, but themselves.

            About "I hear from colleagues". I also hear a lot here on the forum, but not everything is true and does not always correspond to reality. Although arguing about the lack of kindergartens is stupid, because it is a given. Grandmothers come to the rescue if they have or remote work at home (for mom), the husband works hard for two. If there is no money for a private kindergarten, then this is an option.

            About the road. I ride a bike. I bought a double suspension for 40000, saved up for a long time because I love this thing. You can buy Stealth for 8000 almost the same in terms of parameters. This will not straighten the road, but it will solve the problem of hatred of bad roads before the winter and is good for health.

            About lawlessness in hospitals. Have you personally witnessed lawlessness? Or colleagues told, what, without exception, all doctors bastards? I just won’t believe it. Rather, there are exceptions in the form of bastards, but not the other way around.

            About traffic cops. I can’t say anything, I love cycling. I just care about them.

            About the police. The only time I dealt with them in the park was when they asked me to politely leave him, because you can’t go there by bicycle. In Maskwe, their father was robbed in 2005. They took all the money and stuff. Bastards, what can I say. But Maskva, this is not Russia.

            I understand your pessimism. It is certainly justified, but the world is getting better first in your head, and then around. If you do nothing and just rely on power and scold it for inaction, nothing will ever change. Take in your own hands what you can do and do. Personally, I decided for myself with friends. The mountain does not go, we’ll push ourselves. And we’ll make a playground for children and we’ll expand the road near the house ourselves.
            1. kris
              kris 26 June 2013 17: 31
              +4
              Quote: dejavu
              About lawlessness in hospitals. Have you personally witnessed lawlessness? Or colleagues told, what, without exception, all doctors bastards? I just won’t believe it. Rather, there are exceptions in the form of bastards, but not the other way around.

              Not all. But there is enough kov. And this is where life and death are near.
              Where glavrvachi work for decades. I encountered 2 years ago.
              Gynecology.
              We went with a friend to check his wife. Wrong chamber. We go in, and there some eyes from under the blankets stick out. On the thermometer + 12. This is the winter in the postoperative ward.
              Glavrvach began to be rude. I had to calm calls higher.
              Only a call to the ministry resolved the issue.
              And then worse.
              A friend had a wife lying on the weekend without a single visit to the doctor.
              And she was getting worse. Only on Monday, this garbage was stirred up.
              The result is a miscarriage. And the head of the department was sent for promotion.
              Cleaning up of medical histories, retroactive registration, etc.
              These are the modern realities of our healthcare.
              1. Jin
                Jin 26 June 2013 18: 11
                +2
                Quote: kris
                then the modern realities of our healthcare.


                My most sincere support, dear and understanding, unfortunately, I can’t help you anymore request Our colleague "De-Zha-vu" is probably far from all this. The world gets better in his head, and then around. Great, isn't it? The thought is material! It's great ... but not all are indigo people who reshape reality for themselves.
                1. kris
                  kris 26 June 2013 18: 26
                  +2
                  Quote: Jin
                  My most sincere support to you, respected and understanding, unfortunately, I can’t help you with anything else. Our colleague "De-ja-vu" is probably far from all this. The world gets better in his head, and then around. Great, isn't it? The thought is material! It's great ... but not all are indigo people who reshape reality for themselves.

                  Thank you!
                2. Dejavu
                  Dejavu 27 June 2013 03: 29
                  +1
                  Do not exaggerate. You see a garbage heap and scold the country, but I see how it will be when I remove it without waiting for the mayor to give an order for cleaning. That’s the whole difference between us.
                  JF Kennedy used to say: "Don't ask what the country can do for you ..." I live by this principle.

                  About the hospital I sympathize with you from the bottom of my heart. There are enough ghouls. My wife was in the hospital three times in the last year. However, I can’t say anything bad. Fulfilled their duties and everything ended happily. Which heads the doctor, such a hospital.
              2. Dovmont
                Dovmont 26 June 2013 19: 13
                +3
                I’ve been in medicine for 25 years, I have been working as a surgeon, as well as a traumatologist, urologist, pediatric surgeon, etc. I know how the main doctors rip off the medical staff. Of the 6 heads of doctors with whom I had to work, I sued five. They have now been given great scope for fraud. As for your friend’s wife, if she was not left under the supervision of a doctor on duty, then no one watched her either at the weekend. Another thing is if she had a threat of abortion, then obstetricians-gynecologists had to dance around her regardless of the time of day. Here it smacks of negligence, but this criminal act is difficult for doctors to prove.
                1. Jin
                  Jin 26 June 2013 19: 24
                  0
                  Quote: Dovmont
                  Here it smacks of negligence, but this criminal act is difficult for doctors to prove.


                  But from this, dear, all the chaos that I mentioned above! It’s generally difficult to sue doctors, it’s easier to bang, quietly, in your own way (do not take it personally), but this is again a deadline. Imagine how a judge should delve into the essence of the issue (clumsily written in the patient’s card, and with obscure terms) in order to issue an adequate verdict. What do I really simplify, you understand. In reality, everything is more complicated at times sad
            2. Jin
              Jin 26 June 2013 18: 30
              +2
              Quote: dejavu
              Thanks for the wish.


              On health, dear!

              Quote: dejavu
              About garbage - have you ever tried to make your country cleaner and organize a team with friends to clean up the "piles" that oppress you so much?


              Did not try, but did! But this is the task of the bureaucrats who take money from us for this! It suits you? For God's sake, good luck again!

              Quote: dejavu
              About "I hear from colleagues". I also hear a lot here on the forum,


              You hear on the forum, and I'm in the office sad

              Quote: dejavu
              About lawlessness in hospitals. Have you personally witnessed lawlessness?


              Yes, I was. I was, unfortunately, or rather my mother was when she was dying of cancer in the fall of 2012 ... I really "liked" what and how it turns out in our country according to the legislative framework. A person dies, but he cannot get money and, what is most interesting, everyone is right, and the accounting department, at my mother's (Kingdom of Heaven) work, and the doctors in the hospital !!!! And there is no one to send! And call to responsibility! Can you imagine? to explain and write for a long time ... after all, such laws are anti-humane !!! I don’t want to continue the discussion with you, because a person on a bicycle will not understand a lot of nuances of a person behind the wheel of a car, and that’s not the point, but your “positive” comments beyond measure. Further, in the same way, you live in some kind of your own world, far from many ... I even envy you))) (White envy, and indeed a joke, do not take it to heart) And about the fact that you are going to the village - smiled, in his own way))), I read this comment of yours ... if it's not a secret, Grigory, how old are you?
          2. Dovmont
            Dovmont 26 June 2013 18: 58
            0
            Quote: Jin
            about lawlessness in hospitals.

            I apologize, but what kind of chaos in your hospitals could you clarify? Just purely professional interest prevails.
            1. Jin
              Jin 26 June 2013 19: 15
              0
              Quote: Dovmont

              I apologize, but what kind of chaos in your hospitals could you clarify?


              I can, colleague.
              1) Complete absence of qualified "personnel".
              2) In many ways, a boorish attitude towards those who apply.
              3) Violation of the working schedule (The therapist works from 9.00, and earlier 10.00-10.30, it is simply not realistic to see him, especially it makes workers working)

              Fourth and last! Unfortunately, I am not Lev Tolstoy, I will not write "War and Peace". Here, medicine is not that at zero, it is in the red! You can't describe everything. There was my post about our medicine, about how they accelerated my mother's departure from this world ... But what? Is that just what I'm talking about? Yes, all the time !!! Constantly: either they killed him, then they infected him with something, or disfigured their health ... What, in fact, is new ???
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        3. Hleb
          Hleb 27 June 2013 04: 39
          +1
          No loans, however, with a mortgage - I'm not stupid enough to take them
          But what is a loan an indicator of stupidity? Or is it smarter to pay ten thousand for a rented one-room uncle than to pay the same money for your loan? Do you think that one who cannot buy a stupid apartment today?
          1. Dejavu
            Dejavu 27 June 2013 05: 38
            +1
            In my case, credit is completely stupid, because I do not earn 60+ TR in order to doom myself for life-long interest. When both husband and wife work and their salary is sufficient for a mortgage, this is another matter. You, I look master cling to words. If you are so personally interested in my opinion, which I strongly doubt, I will continue to explain obvious things to you. But it’s getting more boring for me to interpret every word that I wrote.
      2. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 29 June 2013 15: 09
        0
        And we all go by, and they only have a bunch of p * Arasov in Putin's top


        Do you know how much one submarine costs ??? and so we need a lot of bucks and oil tanks go, otherwise in 10 years they will destroy us all.
    4. Dejavu
      Dejavu 26 June 2013 14: 11
      +3
      Go to Portugal or Greece. I have friends there and there. He works as a bartender and is terribly happy about it, but they say they will soon cut. Do not confuse the experience of a tourist and a resident of the country. At the expense of education - I absolutely agree. Their delicacy and tact cannot but arouse respect. But I'm afraid it will not save them from their wonderful rulers.
      1. pushkin71
        pushkin71 26 June 2013 14: 41
        0
        I agree, dear Dejavu!
        Let's not confuse the experience of a tourist and a resident.
        For example, holidays in Gelendzhik and Costa Brava. Which do you prefer? There and there you are a tourist.
        Have you seen a Russian bartender who is "terribly happy about it"?
        Are you sure that they will not cut you?
        And what will be reduced by law?
        And so on and so forth.
  • smart ass
    smart ass 26 June 2013 11: 58
    +2
    I agree, but one correction of the forest in Europe ended during WWII.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 26 June 2013 12: 21
      +4
      Quote: Clever man
      One correction of the forest in Europe ended during WWII.

      If we go further at such a pace, there will be no forest at all. The individual does not reproduce, he cuts the forest and sells it.
    2. Hon
      Hon 26 June 2013 12: 25
      +3
      Only the Finns don’t talk about it
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 26 June 2013 13: 19
    +1
    Quote: kosmos44
    The question is different. Do we need this impoverished west ?! Which has nothing but them


    We are Russians, in our culture it is inherent to pity and save the poor, even from them. So they could very well annex Europe if she asks about it. Then it will be a GDP with all the consequences. But only "figs" who asks - they will devour themselves and then poison the wells.
  • SASCHAmIXEEW
    SASCHAmIXEEW 26 June 2013 14: 17
    0
    No forests, cut down in the Middle Ages, what remains, everything is in the property !!!
  • Irkit
    Irkit 26 June 2013 17: 55
    0
    Maybe I will not surprise, but I will bring information. There are factories like us ... ano. Something may have gone to Asia, but the production here is at a very good level. He changed four cities in England and worked very much in many places, the order is everywhere at the highest level. Well, homosexuals so yes, even angry angry. Yes, and I saw here only one that is not encrypted :) And many Englishmen respect Russians, because we defeated Hitler. (Germans and darks don't like it).
  • watching
    watching 26 June 2013 18: 49
    +3
    I comrades agree with you 100% This Pidropa is a utopia !!! about her you can even make a horror movie now! Demography Ethnicity Debauchery according to Putin (you know it yourself) In a word I’ve licked it out myself I will not talk about vulgarities !!! I want to say something else about (capitalization) Look who is in the first place? Microsoft Google Facebook Cola, etc. / A now look where Gazprom Rossneft, etc. put us on this list, humiliating us that we are dependent on energy !!! YES DEPENDENT! And now imagine that the world market has collapsed, the shares of the aforementioned total have collapsed! What can humanity live without? Without a call Google Facebook Facebook Even without Macrosophak But WITHOUT GAS AND OIL (WITHOUT HEAT AND TD) HORRY HIM BIG !!!!!!!
  • Apologet.Ru
    Apologet.Ru 26 June 2013 19: 22
    0
    This is understandable. because G. Europe is predictable, like the old prostitute - gay sex, incest, pedophilia, bestiality, and in the end, as a logical result - the G. European caliphate in which the black and yellow-brown hegemon will be served by white gays and lesbians ...
  • matross
    matross 27 June 2013 19: 40
    +1
    Quote: kosmos44
    There is no production anymore; it is in Asia. But conceit surpasses. No gas needed? OK! Twist the krantik. China needs it. Cut down forests, build stoves. So the rogues are western, go through the woods.

    Have you been to Europe?
    As for gas: the entire policy of our country is set to "add" Europe to our energy carriers. And then a certain kosmos came and offered to fasten the krantik. And all - "urya-i-i!". Minus to you. If you were a politician, you would write "for populism." But you are not a politician, so "for a stupid desire to get plus signs"!
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 26 June 2013 08: 28
    +7
    In the photo, probably the beginning of the moment, you need to find a video with the continuation of this moment, there followed a shot through the hip laughing
    1. Yashka Gorobets
      Yashka Gorobets 26 June 2013 08: 59
      0
      No, he says: so the children, in pairs, joined hands.
    2. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 26 June 2013 09: 26
      +5
      Not a bad shot, it means "don't touch mine" .....
    3. IRBIS
      IRBIS 26 June 2013 09: 39
      16
      Quote: avant-garde
      The photo is probably the beginning of the moment

      It seems to me that the type wanted to slap Angel on a soft spot, but the GDP, as a true gentleman, did not allow someone to do what he intended to do.
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 26 June 2013 09: 44
        +1
        Quote: IRBIS
        what he intended to do himself.

        As the saying goes: Don’t open your mouth to another loaf wassat. Well, I don’t care about the thought that he smacked him through the thigh against the asphalt repeat
      2. smart ass
        smart ass 26 June 2013 12: 01
        +1
        There is such a merkel that I didn’t even slam her bukh)))
      3. JonnyT
        JonnyT 26 June 2013 16: 33
        +2
        It seems to me that the type wanted to slap Angel on a soft spot


        Or Putin.
        1. Jin
          Jin 26 June 2013 23: 29
          +1
          Quote: JonnyT
          Or Putin.


          Interesting move laughing ... Well, what! The Gay Europeans decided to introduce Putin to their progressive trends, already confident that he would not mind ... In the photo, along the way, the heads of the G8 move to the summit. Putin, be that as it may, an adequate man, laid siege to the "rukobluda" and proved, in the process of further negotiations, that you have to keep your playful hands where they say, and not where you want to. I wish Putin had as much energy on the country's internal problems as he spends on external ones.
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 1 July 2013 16: 39
            0
            Quote: Jin
            I wish Putin had as much energy on internal problems of the country as he spends on external problems.

            The internal problems in Russia are handled by the Cabinet of Ministers, headed by the Prime Minister. (educational program) yes
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    1. Hon
      Hon 26 June 2013 10: 34
      -8
      Quote: rainufa
      But really, we are lucky that we have Putin





      fully support
      1. Hon
        Hon 26 June 2013 10: 37
        -1
        Quote: Hon
        fully support


        Join
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 26 June 2013 11: 03
          +9
          Hon, that you had to explain the relationship between the president and the people you indicated, as I understand on this site, not many people know that ministers (like Serdyukov) and heads of state-owned companies (chubais) are appointed only with the consent of the president.
          Dear supporters of the current president and opponents of Serdyukov, the ministers are appointed by the president on the proposal of the prime minister. Therefore, all appointments over the past 13 years could not have happened without Putin. This is a fact! We are learning the laws, much becomes clear)
        2. Simon
          Simon 26 June 2013 21: 47
          +1
          ABOUT!!! He needs to stick a voucher from the toilet in the palm of his hand, with which he planted all of Russia at one time. angry
  • kris
    kris 26 June 2013 10: 39
    13 th
    Quote: Denis
    West wanted his Putin

    TAKE OUT !!!!
    and all the kodlu from the Forbes list to boot!
    1. Hon
      Hon 26 June 2013 10: 54
      -4
      Quote: kris
      and all the kodlu from the Forbes list to boot!

      So they have long been there, in London
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 26 June 2013 11: 11
        +1
        Quote: Hon
        So they have long been there, in London

        Yeah, they regret terribly and then commit suicide (and thank God) alone in 5-room bathrooms, because of the inability to provide for themselves and the intolerable longing for Russia.
        1. Hon
          Hon 26 June 2013 11: 19
          +4
          Quote: avant-garde
          Yeah, they regret terribly and then commit suicide (and thank God) alone in 5-room bathrooms, because of the inability to provide for themselves and the intolerable longing for Russia.

          So this is about a birch, I doubt that Abramovich or Deripaska will decide to strangle themselves
          1. avant-garde
            avant-garde 26 June 2013 11: 31
            0
            Did you ever think that this bastard herself (well, according to the official version) strangle herself ???
            1. Hon
              Hon 26 June 2013 11: 40
              0
              Quote: avant-garde
              Did you ever think that this bastard herself (well, according to the official version) strangle herself ???

              Just a couple of years ago, such thoughts appeared, I followed the news about him (for the sake of interest) the situation developed so that he went bankrupt. He prosralized all sorts of orange revolutions, and the money did not fight back. He tried to cut down lava on ships with former partners, but did not ride, only increased debts. As a result, no one needed this gray cardinal without money, no one even called, this is with his megalomania. So the result is logical.
              1. avant-garde
                avant-garde 26 June 2013 11: 58
                0
                Quote: Hon
                As a result, without money, this gray cardinal

                Here it is necessary to look from the point of view of relativity, if I were left without money as he would be the richest in Omsk bullyand for him this poverty!
                1. Hon
                  Hon 26 June 2013 12: 23
                  +4
                  The point is not even poverty but influence. Money was always just a means for him, he caught a buzz from building gray schemes, from being able to influence global events, from the fact that his personal guard could compete with the intelligence service. He considered himself a great personality and turned out to be an ordinary old Jew who stole some money, and in the future he had oblivion. He could not bear it.
      2. Evgeny_Lev
        Evgeny_Lev 26 June 2013 12: 23
        +1
        Are you also in favor of not being rich?
        Bearded, but better when there are no poor.
      3. Atash
        Atash 1 July 2013 11: 19
        0
        Boys from another gang were forced to dump in London, and their normal boys live normally in Russia. What some call "pinned the oligarchs to the nail" is BPS (banal redistribution of property). Why is Khodorkovsky a dog, but not Alisher Usmanov? Because the second with Putin is "Vasya Vasya", his wife is the coach of the Russian national gymnastics team, and she loves the Path of gymnasts very much, they say. Do you feel how everything has grown together and intertwined there?
    2. Mairos
      Mairos 26 June 2013 13: 24
      0
      Chris - then immediately name the candidate for president instead of Putin and the team that will come into power with him. Only without jokes. So that these children possess at least the minimum necessary qualities to maintain power.
      1. kris
        kris 26 June 2013 15: 07
        +1
        Quote: Mairos
        Chris - then immediately name the candidate for president instead of Putin and the team that will come into power with him. Only without jokes. So that these children possess at least the minimum necessary qualities to maintain power.

        LUKASHENKO.
        And in advisers KVACHKOV and strong business executives. There are such in every region. Which work contrary to the system.
        1. Mairos
          Mairos 26 June 2013 17: 40
          +2
          This is from the realm of fiction, unfortunately.
          1. Atash
            Atash 1 July 2013 14: 47
            0
            There is Shoigu if you want. A lot of what he knows, says little. Only if he thinks about it, he will quickly arrange a helicopter crash. It is very easy to remove compared to others.
            In general, there are many others, if you look.
    3. Mairos
      Mairos 26 June 2013 13: 26
      0
      At the expense of the list from Forbes - completely agree !!
  • rolik
    rolik 26 June 2013 10: 40
    +4
    Quote: Denis
    Putin, as it were, is my cow and I will milk her (photo).

    No, he gentlemanly protects the elastic ass of the Angels from the lustful arms of Western peasants.
    1. Hon
      Hon 26 June 2013 10: 44
      -1
      Quote: rolik
      No, he gentlemanly protects the elastic ass of the Angels from the lustful arms of Western peasants.

      Sabaka in the hay. The angel was already in anticipation, and Putin broke the bastard. laughing
      1. kris
        kris 26 June 2013 11: 08
        -3
        Quote: Hon
        Sabaka in the hay. The angel was already in anticipation, and Putin broke the bastard.

        Here is an interesting photo.
        1. d_trader
          d_trader 26 June 2013 11: 25
          +3
          And you are only looking for dirt. who do you want to prove?
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 1 July 2013 16: 56
          0
          Quote: kris

          Here is an interesting photo.


          And Putin would take this test .. for both legs and on the asphalt a couple of raziks (anyway, there are no brains in her head and there will never be)! I would then vote for him until the end of my life! good
  • rainufa
    rainufa 26 June 2013 11: 00
    16
    Comments of Western ordinary people about Putin for his statement on the whereabouts of Snowdon. (Comments translated)

    I will love to be a Russian citizen having a smart president. Because we only think about the bad guys, and there are some, but I am afraid that we underestimate the stupidity. Putin to accept Russia in a pityfull state, Banksters received control of the country and the army was in complete disarray. No one had more respect for Russia. nerdy AVO M. Putin by the way please stop this stupid smoking ban it will only bring more lung diseases for a non-smoker, letting bacteria devellops (the cause of the bad smell of a nightclub)

    The world needs more people standing like Putin against the brutal mentality of the US government.

    Putin Yoda! yes, I like it! May the force be with you ... ED & JEDI PUTIN YODA!

    I love Putin! As for Sheeple in the USA. Capitalism is not a democracy. You will find out soon enough.

    Putin is a true leader, Americans can respect. Putin to the presidency of the United States.

    Putin is a true patriot of his country, a soldier, a legitimate leader and a real man.

    God bless President Putin. Very smart and courageous person.

    Bravo Putin, we love you and loved your pig haircut joke.

    RUSSIA send Assad a lot of weapons to fight al Qaeda and the vicious Jihadis USA hired.

    He is a patriot of his country, not his Government. He stands for people devoted to their own government.

    But I think that Putin, as a terminator !!


    Most of these comments are on www.RT.com.

    We were lucky with the President's friends, I personally am proud of him.
    1. Snoop
      Snoop 26 June 2013 11: 35
      +3
      Putin Yoda! yes, I like it! May the force be with you ... ED & JEDI PUTIN YODA!)))))))) Argue the criteria of Star Wars)))
      1. shark
        shark 26 June 2013 13: 59
        +2
        Much has been said about Yoda. May force come with him! Personally, I am pleased and proud that we have such a president. Together we stand and win!
        1. Atash
          Atash 1 July 2013 15: 03
          -1
          Gorbachev was even more popular in the West. And sho?
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 1 July 2013 17: 03
            +1
            Quote: Atash
            Gorbachev was even more popular in the West. And sho?

            Compare horseradish with a finger!
            Putin is definitely beautiful! Unconditional RESPECT!
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv 26 June 2013 11: 14
    +1
    Quote: Denis
    Putin, as it were, is my cow and I will milk her (

    The old man looked at his cow:
    "Why do I sell you, Burenka?" -
    Cow its not selling to anyone -
    Such a beast is needed most!
    laughing
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 26 June 2013 13: 28
    +3
    Quote: Denis
    Putin seems to be saying

    "The West wanted its own Putin" ......
    Well, to begin with, the West needs to get hold of its Sobchak.
    Novocherkask 1992. Behind Sobchak, Putin can hardly drag the suitcase of his "patron".
  • Apologet.Ru
    Apologet.Ru 26 June 2013 19: 12
    0
    This is understandable. because G. Europe is predictable, like the old prostitute - gay sex, incest, pedophilia, bestiality, and in the end, as a logical result - the G. European caliphate in which the black and yellow-brown hegemon will be served by white gays and lesbians ...
  • Che
    Che 26 June 2013 19: 36
    0
    Gerald Warner openly speaks of a growing contempt for the “Euro-American” political class, its “unsuitability” and the “parliamentary pseudo-democracy” model that has “discredited” itself.
    Not in the eyebrow but in the eye. Geyropa with America are rotten and have been stinking for a long time.
  • Atrix
    Atrix 26 June 2013 23: 50
    0
    Officials finished off the old man
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  • rauffg
    rauffg 27 June 2013 13: 46
    0
    probably so:
  • Tersky
    Tersky 26 June 2013 07: 30
    39
    “Putin is a tyrant and a very angry man. (Putin is a tyrant and an extremely evil man.)- love the United States and Bardak Obama, he is soft and fluffy, the main thing is "peaceful" and "humane" to the point, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia ....., everywhere sheer "philanthropy" from the USA.
    1. Pit
      Pit 26 June 2013 07: 41
      11
      Quote: Tersky
      love the USA and Bardak Obama, he is soft and fluffy

      And he was also given the Nobel Peace Prize, for his achievements in strengthening "peace". Here!
      How can I not love that ?!
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 26 June 2013 10: 17
        18
        Quote: Pit
        And he was also given the Nobel Peace Prize, for his achievements in strengthening "peace". Here!
        How can I not love that ?!

        It seems to me that the prize was given to him as the first President of the United States - a Negro. The next award "for achievements in strengthening" peace "will go to the President of America, a homosexual ...
        1. cyberspace
          cyberspace 26 June 2013 12: 49
          +4
          Quote: IRBIS
          the President of homosexual America

          Then the woman president, a black, Hispanic lesbian.
          1. Landwarrior
            Landwarrior 26 June 2013 14: 55
            +2
            Elderly one-legged black lesbian laughing wassat
          2. IRBIS
            IRBIS 26 June 2013 15: 00
            +5
            Quote: siber
            Then the woman president, a black, Hispanic lesbian.

            We will be tolerant to the end: the President is a disabled woman, a pregnant, black, Hispanic Jewess, a bisexual transvestite. They didn’t forget anything, otherwise suddenly someone would be offended?
            1. Dovmont
              Dovmont 26 June 2013 19: 27
              +3
              Lost - a surviving Holocaust victim.
      2. Elliot
        Elliot 26 June 2013 11: 45
        +2
        Not even for achievements, but for plans of achievements to strengthen peace bully
        In general, Obama's PR people are simply better
      3. slavik_gross
        slavik_gross 26 June 2013 14: 23
        0
        on before it was to climb amers popets here and gave evropppaaa ...
  • fenix57
    fenix57 26 June 2013 07: 33
    14
    “I never thought that I would live to the moment when I began to say that I would rather agree with Vladimir Putin than with any of the Western leaders ...”; "We need Putin ..."-Enlightenment has come!
    The recognition by the West of the Head of State of Russia is worth a lot. This cannot but rejoice.
    Oleg, thank you, but for the photo separately +++++++! hi good
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      1. Denis
        Denis 26 June 2013 08: 02
        +1
        Quote: Daduda
        Well, this aunt in her youth was that still jaga-jaga)))

        Still stoop smile
    2. Mart
      26 June 2013 07: 54
      +4
      Quote: fenix57
      Oleg, thank you, but for the photo separately +++++++!

      Please, Valery. True, about the photo - not to me. I just do the lyrics. hi
    3. fartfraer
      fartfraer 26 June 2013 08: 08
      0
      "Well, this auntie in her youth was that still jaga-jaga" - I did not even suspect)) thanks for the info)) now it is clear who our deputies took an example from when filming in candid photo sessions for men's magazines
    4. Atash
      Atash 1 July 2013 15: 07
      0
      Rejoice even more for Gorbachev.
  • Sashkessss
    Sashkessss 26 June 2013 07: 35
    +8
    Alas, this is only one loud statement. But since they are commenting on this, it means that Putin really achieved the goals set by him at G8. Now many Europeans have realized what a puppet state they have. I will not be surprised that the events in Bulgaria are directly related to this. If everything goes the same way, then these stupid jokes about earflaps and drunken bears on the city streets will soon end. Now the main goal is to maintain this image throughout the country. And do not follow the stupid stereotypes imposed on us by Western countries.
    1. xan
      xan 26 June 2013 13: 36
      +1
      Quote: Sashkessss
      If everything goes the same way, then these stupid jokes about earflaps and drunken bears on the city streets will soon end.

      the sister married a German and has been living in Germany for 20 years, communicating with Russian speakers there. He says that over the past 7 years, judging by those who come to visit us from Russia, we have noticeably become rich and much more confident, and this is not only metropolitan
  • Bokdan1700
    Bokdan1700 26 June 2013 07: 35
    23 th
    If they need him, let them take it! Great Russia, I need the Russian Orthodox Emperor!
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 26 June 2013 07: 43
      22
      the emperor, and even Orthodox Russia is not needed, and a president like Lukoshenko is definitely necessary. We still have a secular state
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      2. little man
        little man 26 June 2013 11: 26
        -1
        I support. I wondered who would be the worthy president of Russia-Belarus-Ukraine.
        Better dad at the moment there. Putin is not the same. He appeared as a devil from a snuff-box in the time of Yeltsin and, as a matter of fact, his work and continues, only more veiled. Territories trash, economics and industry die.
        1. shark
          shark 26 June 2013 14: 03
          +7
          Putin rolls on the role of chancellor. a person who really does business. And Lukashenko is also good. To communicate with people, to raise morale. That would be TANDEM! not like this petty lawyer liberozadiy Teddy bear
    2. dark_65
      dark_65 26 June 2013 09: 43
      0
      And where is such a writer all exalted from?
    3. Searcher
      Searcher 26 June 2013 09: 45
      +7
      The emperor sounds, of course, formidable and majestic, but the absolute monarchy has one serious flaw - sometimes flawed offspring, which are incapable of normal governance of the country due to physical or mental features. And if such an heir of some great emperor ascends the throne, then until he moves horses the country will plunge into chaos, or all power will nominally be in the hands of his advisers, guardians, and this is somehow not entirely for the good of the state.
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          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 26 June 2013 21: 41
            +1
            Quote: Bokdan1700
            Bastard! Call the holy martyr of the Tsar a rag !?

            Like a joke? laughing
            1. Bokdan1700
              Bokdan1700 27 June 2013 05: 02
              -2
              You don’t know, don’t go! The Holy Passion-bearer-Tsar Nikolai is glorified by Our Church! We pray to him for the deliverance of Russia from the demonic power that has been occupying the Motherland for almost 100 years!
              1. soldier's grandson
                soldier's grandson 27 June 2013 08: 15
                +1
                you tell us about bloody Sunday when people with icons and children went to the tsar and received in return bullets of Cossack drafts and whip what then holy saint we have people who endured wars and defeated fascism
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 27 June 2013 13: 16
                  -2
                  Quote: Soldier's grandson
                  you tell us about bloody Sunday when people with icons and children went to the tsar and received in return bullets of Cossack drafts and whip what then holy saint we have people who endured wars and defeated fascism

                  Syrian militants also probably came with icons? You do not know anything about bloody Sunday except Soviet propaganda, and you draw far-reaching conclusions.
              2. soldier's grandson
                soldier's grandson 27 June 2013 17: 06
                -2
                divorced clowns walk the streets in the form of officers of the imperial army would not disgrace the country
            2. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 27 June 2013 15: 11
              +3
              Quote: Bokdan1700
              We pray to him for the deliverance of Russia from the demonic power of almost 100 years occupying the homeland!
              So it’s you, infection, the collapse of the country and the present mess prayed for ?! am

              Quote: Bokdan1700
              Do not know, do not go! The Holy Passion-bearer-Tsar Nikolai is glorified by Our Church!
              He is not a martyr - he is an oligophrenic who hated a raven and cats. laughing
              1. Bokdan1700
                Bokdan1700 27 June 2013 17: 50
                -3
                Such as you are and are guilty of the collapse of the great Russian Empire! Atheist atheists who destroyed our people 1917-1953 and our Church!
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 27 June 2013 18: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Bokdan1700
                  Such as you are and are guilty of the collapse of the great Russian Empire! Atheist atheists who destroyed our people 1917-1953 and our Church!
                  All the same, you are curious people - messiahs ...

                  Guilty like me? Frets - let’s say: examples, facts that clearly say that people like me are to blame, documentary data on the facts of destruction and the number of people destroyed - where is all this?

                  Or are you only unproven 3.14 able to ride?

                  And another question: if the church was destroyed - where did a million priests come from in modern Russia?
    4. Hon
      Hon 26 June 2013 09: 58
      16
      Quote: Bokdan1700
      Great Russia, I need the Russian Orthodox Emperor!

      Thanks swam already, the Orthodox emperor prosral the empire !!!
      1. Dovmont
        Dovmont 26 June 2013 19: 33
        0
        And will you go far without Orthodoxy? In Satanism, liberalism, Judaism, or even some -ism?
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 26 June 2013 19: 55
          0
          and how far will you go with Orthodoxy? in the belief that the earth is flat, all power is from God, etc.? By the way, no one bothers you to pay church tithes. And I live in a secular state where religion is everyone’s private affair, while he does not violate the laws of the state
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 26 June 2013 21: 43
          0
          Quote: Dovmont
          And will you go far without Orthodoxy? In Satanism, liberalism, Judaism, or even some -ism?
          Why do you consider "Orthodoxy" an unconditional blessing? Are you able to provide facts that clearly confirm this?
          1. Bokdan1700
            Bokdan1700 27 June 2013 04: 54
            -2
            The fact that times-Russia as a single state is built on the foundation of Orthodox Christianity. It became a great Orthodox Empire and began to collapse when Orthodoxy was removed from this foundation. For an individual person, similarly, only faith in Christ gives happiness, believe my experience and thousands of generations of our ancestors — do not consider them stupid — they knew it!
            1. soldier's grandson
              soldier's grandson 27 June 2013 17: 02
              0
              in the picture Tajiks with an icon belay
            2. shark
              shark 28 June 2013 08: 56
              -3
              I don’t understand why they are minus! Personally, I believe that the idea of ​​restoring the empire is the only thing that can unite the people today. The emperor as a national idea has no competition ...
              1. fartfraer
                fartfraer 28 June 2013 09: 31
                0
                the idea of ​​an "emperor" is fully approved only by people who do not know history.
        3. Setrac
          Setrac 27 June 2013 14: 44
          +1
          Quote: Dovmont
          And will you go far without Orthodoxy? In Satanism, liberalism, Judaism, or even some -ism?

          Satanists are the same believers, only believe in the evil principle. We will go into atheism, common sense.
      2. Bokdan1700
        Bokdan1700 27 June 2013 04: 31
        -1
        prosrali-such as you have denied the faith of the fathers of the Anointed of God the Orthodox Tsar and want everything all at once!
        1. soldier's grandson
          soldier's grandson 27 June 2013 08: 16
          +1
          go head to fly
      3. ed65b
        ed65b 27 June 2013 08: 22
        0
        Maybe this is from the category of tales, they say that Nikolai was offered to introduce Siberian Cossacks to St. Petersburg and disperse the whole riffraff. He refused.
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 26 June 2013 07: 36
    +7
    More and more people in the West are turning pink glasses into glasses with large lenses, through which they begin to see little by little what democracy, liberalism, cultural masochism and disgust for family life will bring them! And when the Americans fully restore their "sight" America will destroy itself from the inside!
  • Canep
    Canep 26 June 2013 07: 39
    36
    For the second year, Putin has been holding the second place in the ranking of the most influential people, despite the fact that the first is not occupied by anyone, well, put him in the first place. May God give health to Putin, he will shut up all Western political liberals.
  • fartfraer
    fartfraer 26 June 2013 07: 41
    +5
    nothing personal, but I always laugh at those who are so enthusiastic about any publications they like in the West and spread rot and blame them for all the troubles if they didn’t like the publications) after all, flattery is a terrible weapon)
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  • Dejavu
    Dejavu 26 June 2013 07: 44
    15
    Anything can be said about Putin, but today there is simply no better leader for Russia in its current state. I won’t even begin to compare Vova with Western idiots - it will be strongly not in their favor.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 26 June 2013 07: 58
      +2
      I don’t completely agree that you should not compare. But can you say why the Russian president deserved such a high praise from you?
      1. Dejavu
        Dejavu 26 June 2013 09: 16
        16
        The fact that now I will go to a suburban village, because I'm tired of the "exhaust" city, I will receive a subsidy for a house, lifting and a teacher's salary in the amount of 23.000 rubles per rate per month (this is 18 hours a week or 3 lessons a day). By the way, I will have almost two rates. For the second child this year, my family will receive about 500.000 rubles in our region. In my relatively small city, a hefty perinatal center has been built, where my wife will give birth for free. This is only what concerns the material support of an ordinary citizen who is not disabled or who is in a certain group in need of anything. In other words, anyone has the right to receive all this from the state for doing so.

        When he was an entrepreneur, he learned on local television about a small business support program. If he hadn’t hesitated, he would have received 1.5mln for hello to develop his business. Providing a business plan and some documents. (A friend received, bought a new furniture machine)
        I can’t say that this is Putin’s personal achievements, however, if Zhirinovsky, who promised polygamy and exile to the Far East, or Zyuganov with his new dispossession, were in his place, I’m not sure that it would be at least the same as now. It might be better, but I wouldn’t check.

        Under Putin, I see that not everything is smooth and good, corruption and so on, but do not forget about the size of Russia and the number of internal and external problems that he is forced to solve almost alone because of the stupid clumsy bureaucratic apparatus, which is not enough change will not work mobile and quality due to the size of the country. I see that Russia is rising from its knees, I became proud that I am Russian. With Vova is the revival of Russia, good or bad, but a revival. If interested, go to sdelanounas.ru, you will find out a lot of interesting things happening in Russia.

        On personal qualities - I respect him for his firmness and will. In the eyes there is no lies and dodging. He speaks directly and is always responsible for the words.
        I do not respect that I got divorced. They should have endured to the last, because the position is such that it is impossible. But not for me to judge.

        This is what I think of Putin.
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 26 June 2013 09: 33
          11
          23000 teacher's rate?)) You are just a teacher from among teachers, I tell you my friend's mother was at one time the best teacher in Russia in English. She receives 21000 (having a huge experience, I dare assure you). For your city with a perinatal center is very glad. in my city there is also a similar one. and village (400 km from the city) hospitals were partially cut, now they have to go to the nearest hospital on very "good" (note the quotes) roads to get an appointment.
          now about your business, tell me how you were with taxes? did everyone pay and work "in white"? I doubt it, because I know not by hearsay how great it is to work "white". but what about the question of paying for electricity and other services " natural monopolies "?
          What does the size of Russia have to do with it? The journey from Moscow to Vladivostok has not taken half a life for a long time, and the president appointed people to the governor's posts, and it was not "impostors from outside" who came. And the growth of the bureaucratic apparatus is something happening, don't you think?
          I’ll go to the site, ATP for the link. But I doubt that my opinion will change in a positive way, because I believe my eyes more (I judge by what is happening in my city, and not by what we are promised on TV).
          I don’t argue about the personal qualities of the president, but his divorce is exclusively a private matter. By the way, as much as 50.000 rubles are allocated according to a business plan for us to open a personal business, and now the state fee is 36000 a year, and the next year 43000. It remains only to find out which You live in a magical city. I live in Tomsk.
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 26 June 2013 09: 46
            13
            Quote: fartfraer
            I believe my eyes more (I judge by what is happening in my city, and not by what they promise us on TV).

            And you look at 90 and remember what happened then, compare. I do not presume to judge everyone, but I can say from my own example that now I live much better. And most importantly - I’m sure that I will live like that.
            1. Jin
              Jin 26 June 2013 14: 37
              +1
              Quote: IRBIS
              And you look at the 90s and remember what happened then, compare


              Let's pay attention to 1923! You don't need to go to extremes, what was happening in the 90s cannot be called life, survival. This is not normal, and if this continued, then Putin would have no one to preside over, there would be no Russia, no capable population, everyone would be chipped and drunk, those who did not shoot themselves on the "arrows" ... there is already a choice did not have. Either way or nothing at all
              1. IRBIS
                IRBIS 26 June 2013 15: 08
                0
                Quote: Jin
                Let's pay attention to the 1923 year! No need to go to extremes

                No extremes. And why do we need 1923? I remember the standard of living in 90, I really have something to compare with and I simply state the fact that I live better now.
                1. Jin
                  Jin 26 June 2013 15: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: IRBIS
                  I just state the fact that I live better now.


                  Then I agree with you and respect your opinion, I’m talking about how to compare with the 90s somehow, is not entirely correct. After all, then, well, it’s been quite a bogeyman ... by the 23rd year, I mean that everything is relative and compared to the 23rd, in the 90s there was generally paradise) Now look, if you compare with 2005, for example what got better? We have the only way to deal with all evil, this is the tightening of fines and an increase in terms ... that's it! This is prevention, not treatment, in reality everything remains at the level of adoption of laws, which then do not work. While this will be, nothing good can be expected hi
          2. Curculum
            Curculum 26 June 2013 09: 55
            +5
            Quote: fartfraer
            23000 teacher rate?))

            For example, my friend, a teacher of English in the gymnasium of the tribal state, receives the maximum equivalent of 800 dead presidents, working 2 bets (42 hours a week) - as a comparison. And in Moscow - about 100 thousand. It happens. But not all loot is measured, or rather, by its quantity ...
            Based on the context of your posts - "soap-rope-balcony", Russia - darkness, etc.
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer 26 June 2013 10: 10
              10
              "And you look at the 90s and remember" - I often look back to the past. And not only in the 90s. Believe me, in the history of the Russian Federation there were periods more difficult than the 90s. And the results of "getting off my knees" were very impressive. For example, under the NEP, they managed to raise the economy in 2 years (approximately), and then they began large-scale industrialization, plans GOERLO-light in every house.
              but in those days the rulers did not care about the opinion of the West, they did not have accounts in the offshore, there was a state monopoly on raw materials, etc., and not young children, but young engineers sent to study over the hill, and this is the whole difference in approaches .
              "For example, my friend, an English language teacher at a gymnasium in Riga, gets the maximum equivalent of 800 dead presidents, working 2 positions (42 hours a week) - as a comparison. And in Moscow - about 100 thousand." - for example, Latvia does not take the leading place in the world for the export of raw materials, and on the territory of the Moscow region, no hydrocarbon deposits have yet been discovered (as far as I know). and in Tomsk, teachers are 100.t.r. they earn in 6-8 months (and even then not all of them), but there are a lot of resources. and the governor is appointed by the President of Russia. What conclusions can we draw from this? I made this conclusion - the president put his man and drives money to the capital in the first place, paying for the welfare of the capital citizens due to the withering of the regions. we have a lot of enterprises closed, there are a lot of abandoned villages, and you tell me about 100.000 z-you of Moscow teachers) or have Moscow already ceased to be a part of Russia? why do Muscovites have such bonuses? mind you, I'm not a separatist, I just surprised by the distribution of financial resources.
              1. mogus
                mogus 26 June 2013 10: 45
                10
                +
                That's right. Just do not understand the Muscovites, we are in Russia. Not the first time I come across this. At first they accuse us of inertia (we do nothing ourselves, we are all waiting for help). When you explain the situation and say that you need to share money with the regions, especially from the regions their lion's share, so it turns out we can not manage the money ... Moscow is a separate state and for this everything is done by people living inside the Moscow Ring Road. And they accuse us of separatism.
              2. mogus
                mogus 26 June 2013 10: 47
                +1
                +
                That's right. Just do not understand the Muscovites, we are in Russia. Not the first time I come across this. At first they accuse us of inertia (we do nothing ourselves, we are all waiting for help). When you explain the situation and say that you need to share money with the regions, especially from the regions their lion's share, so it turns out we can not manage the money ... Moscow is a separate state and for this everything is done by people living inside the Moscow Ring Road. And they accuse us of separatism.
              3. Curculum
                Curculum 26 June 2013 12: 21
                +3
                Quote: fartfraer
                I am simply surprised by the distribution of financial resources.

                That in such a distribution is the trouble, in my opinion. Because minerals (for example) are mined in Turukhansk, and taxes are paid in Moscow ... And how will Turukhansk develop, and how to pay its residents?
                In this kind of a little try to restore order, but - too slowly, unfortunately.
              4. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 26 June 2013 18: 12
                +1
                Quote: fartfraer
                Conclusions which of these will we draw? I made such a conclusion — the president put his man in and drives money to the capital in the first place, paying for the welfare of the capital's citizens by withering the regions.
                Your reasoning is absolutely correct, with the exception of the highlighted quote: the Moscow budget and the federal budget (where the money of the regions actually go) are completely different things that have nothing in common. The federal budget has nothing to do with Moscow or Muscovites.
                1. fartfraer
                  fartfraer 26 June 2013 18: 26
                  -1
                  Yarosvet, I do not quite agree with you - Moscow, like any other region, region, the republic receives money from the federal budget. although it may receive taxes from enterprises registered in Moscow, but working in other places (Siberia, for example). in any In this case, most of the income is obtained by milking money from the "province." As far as I remember, only Tatarstan at one time bargained from Moscow some bonuses for the distribution of money received in Tatarstan. And that was under Shaimiev (God forbid, I’m mistaken, perhaps surname), but how things are now I do not know
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 26 June 2013 19: 46
                    +1
                    Quote: fartfraer
                    Yarosvet, I do not quite agree with you — Moscow, like any other region, region, republic, receives money from the federal budget.
                    Only for federal programs.

                    although perhaps she receives taxes from enterprises registered in Moscow, but working in other places (Siberia, for example).
                    Including, but is this the "merit" of Muscovites?

                    In any case, most of the income is obtained by milking money from the "province." As far as I remember, only Tatarstan once bargained from Moscow for some bonuses for the distribution of money received in Tatarstan.
                    The regions really milk. If you mean that Moscow does this, the synonym of which is the Kremlin (that is, Moscow as a government center), then you are right.
                    If by "Moscow" you mean the city and its inhabitants directly, you are mistaken.
                    1. fartfraer
                      fartfraer 26 June 2013 20: 09
                      0
                      well, I will try to explain what I had in mind. the point is that with our centralization everything is decided in Moscow. it just so happened. (example 91-93 years, the collapse of the USSR, etc.) the opinion of the heads of the republics in this case was "secondary ". yes, even now, what is happening in Moscow takes much more time in any news than the news of the regions. Therefore, in various ways, the government creates a city around itself with a more or less satisfied (or indifferent) population. I worked in Moscow on a watch, for the sake of interest I compared -you (according to the newspapers of vacancies) with your city. the difference is quite large. compared the prices of food, the difference is either insignificant (about 1-3 rubles), or it is not at all. travel is more expensive in Moscow (general transport), as rent. I don’t know, but, I repeat, the difference in z-tah is significant. then they told me that z-that teacher is 100 thousand rubles. I will repeat it again, for an average Tomsk teacher this is z-that in half a year practically. if you are interested, I will to school and clarify the exact numbers. We who do not have a registration in Moscow or the region on salary were transferred to the categories yu "second-rate". I do not agree with this. (I will clarify, and we have exceptions, for example, the last time when the mayor was announced, the amount was about 200 thousand, but as you understand not all of us mayors)
                      1. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 26 June 2013 21: 57
                        0
                        A teacher’s salary of 100 thousand can be found only in words in Moscow.
                        The consumer basket is more expensive than the regional one (with the exception of the north), I think 20-30 percent.
                        The average salary in the region of 35-40 TR

                        Actually, you yourself write that the blanket is being pulled towards Moscow by the Authority itself, but Vlaas then we have - St. Petersburg.
                        Money goes specifically to the federal budget, they have no relationship to the city.
                      2. fartfraer
                        fartfraer 26 June 2013 22: 10
                        +3
                        in words you can) here one of the members of the forum wrote) and (please note) no one accused him of lying)) but the comment about the factories closed in Tomsk turned out to be a "blatant lie" despite the evidence. Well, this is the lyrics
                        St. Petersburg or not St. Petersburg, the capital is Moscow. He was not a Muscovite either, but he understood that the capital is in control, the current powers also understand this. Well, oh well, I think we understood each other
                      3. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 26 June 2013 22: 20
                        +3
                        It seems that we are talking about one thing.

                        PS I read your discussion with Grisha with pleasure laughing
                        But to explain something to him is useless - the bar fell on his head, now he lives without critical thinking and sense of humor, he simply does not notice anything that diverges from the broadcast federal channels. hi
            2. Jin
              Jin 27 June 2013 09: 47
              +1
              Quote: Yarosvet
              The federal budget has nothing to do with Moscow or Muscovites.


              It seems that he has nothing to do with Russia as a whole)
      2. itkul
        itkul 26 June 2013 10: 01
        +4
        Quote: fartfraer
        I believe my eyes more (I judge by what is happening in my city, and not by what they promise us on TV).
        1. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt 26 June 2013 10: 40
          +6
          And what kind of city, and what is happening there?
          It’s just that I don’t have a city at all, but in general a village in the north near Arkhangelsk, and nothing is developing, we are not complaining.

          So, again, what is going on there?
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer 26 June 2013 10: 46
            +2
            I understand your unspoken doubts and recommend re-reading komenty. I called the city there. If I am not able to read long texts I will repeat once again the city of Tomsk, Western Siberia.
            1. Grishka100watt
              Grishka100watt 26 June 2013 10: 53
              -1
              And what is there, since the 90s nifiga has not changed?
              1. fartfraer
                fartfraer 26 June 2013 11: 09
                +3
                changed)) as it has not changed)
                for example, many new shopping centers were opened and several large enterprises were closed (sibelektromotor, gpz-5 and several more), about 10000 turners, engineers, etc. remained on the street, who now work as some kind of managers or drivers (most likely).
                1. Grishka100watt
                  Grishka100watt 26 June 2013 11: 18
                  +1
                  closed several large enterprises (sibelektromotor


                  Oh no no no. You will not believe. I just went to the site http://www.sibelektromotor.ru/main.php (sibelektromotor, which closed), And saw there:
                  24.04.2013
                  For the attention of customers!
                  Due to the heavy loading of production by previously accepted orders, the acceptance of new applications for the 2nd quarter was stopped.

                  Ayayyay, well, you can’t so NEGATELY LY, dear.
                  1. fartfraer
                    fartfraer 26 June 2013 11: 29
                    +6
                    dear, it is not trained to blatantly lie. my brother worked at the sibelectromator. he "went bankrupt" and received a cut there. slave. a day for 6-7 tr., so that people quit and not pay them a reduction. I do not need to go to their website, I live nearby, I see everything myself. Therefore, leave your accusations
                  2. Grishka100watt
                    Grishka100watt 26 June 2013 11: 43
                    -2
                    Wow, you say that the enterprise is CLOSED, but it WORKS! I would rather believe my eyes when I saw the latest recent news on their website than a liar linking to my brother!
                  3. fartfraer
                    fartfraer 26 June 2013 11: 45
                    +3
                    ) yes .. here it’s useless to talk) did you even follow my link? did you read the text? if you don’t believe me and trust the Internet like that, I dropped the link especially for you and your kind.
                  4. Grishka100watt
                    Grishka100watt 26 June 2013 14: 04
                    0
                    I do not say that they are successful or not, I point out that when a person does not hesitate to openly lie in his posts, how can you believe what he writes?
                  5. fartfraer
                    fartfraer 26 June 2013 14: 14
                    +4
                    below gave links "in fact", they did not open for you. Further, people quit, but vacancies do not appear (fill in vacancies in Tomsk, find vacancies for sibelectromotor, if possible)
                    on the fact of the court to declare this plant bankrupt (if you have not opened the links), the council gave below.
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          3. fartfraer
            fartfraer 26 June 2013 11: 41
            +3
            about the link to GPZ-5, well done), only the dates are there for 2009 last. But in general, explain how such successful (judging by the information you provided) enterprises were bankrupt and liquidated?)
        2. fartfraer
          fartfraer 26 June 2013 11: 37
          +3
          http://gorod.tomsk.ru/index-1370097854.php
          and here's the info from the townspeople of the city of Tomsk (our local social network), go in there and tell everyone how brazenly they lie. I immediately warn you, there are a lot of people who know about the sibel electric motor and other closed enterprises. Read, then we'll talk Success in mastering the topic
        3. kris
          kris 26 June 2013 11: 43
          +4
          Quote: fartfraer
          http://gorod.tomsk.ru/index-1370097854.php
          and here's the info from the townspeople of the city of Tomsk (our local social network), go in there and tell everyone how brazenly they lie. I immediately warn you, there are a lot of people who know about the sibel electric motor and other closed enterprises. Read, then we'll talk Success in mastering the topic

          Respected.
          Do not waste your time arguing with these MISSIONERS.
          They judge the situation in the country from TV reports and official speeches.
        4. fartfraer
          fartfraer 26 June 2013 11: 48
          +2
          kris, I am not very pleased when I am accused of lying. To everyone interested in "who is right here" I threw a link from the social network of Tomsk, there my words are confirmed. Those who wish can go to the site (because the news is not new, more than a month has passed) in any new topic and this question should be clarified directly with the residents of the city of Tomsk.
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        6. fartfraer
          fartfraer 26 June 2013 12: 38
          +7
          Yes, even if they call Obama) this is not the point
          I just gave information confirming my words, who will need to check it. And "intellectuals" with a pro-Putin position do not even understand that with their undisguised rudeness they dishonor not only themselves, but also sane (and also pro-Putin) people with whom on this site I was lucky to talk
          alas, but for many, "sveta from ivanovo" is a role model. our great wish is to continue "sowing more rye", but please do not be rude to people, this does not decorate communication.
    2. xan
      xan 26 June 2013 12: 43
      0
      Quote: kris
      Respected.
      Do not waste your time arguing with these MISSIONERS.
      They judge the situation in the country from TV reports and official speeches.

      tear off your ass from the computer and do something for yourself, whiner
    3. kris
      kris 26 June 2013 12: 48
      0
      Quote: xan
      tear off your ass from the computer and do something for yourself, whiner

      poke your mom. clown!
      and believe in fairy tales about a happy future.
      and watch more TV!
  • fartfraer
    fartfraer 26 June 2013 11: 44
    0
    by the way, you can even apologize for accusing me of lying.
  • Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 26 June 2013 11: 55
    -4
    I repeat once again. You claim that the company is closed, and it works. Therefore, you are a liar, and insolent.
  • fartfraer
    fartfraer 26 June 2013 12: 26
    +2
    once again for the driver of the armored train, the sibelektromator is bankrupt, which is the link from the Tomsk social network where there is all the info, even if you do not believe me, you can come in and read. your rudeness is completely explainable to me, you have no other arguments. believe the media, I still prefer to believe my eyes.
    but even I have a question for you, under what condition is it possible for a successful company to be declared bankrupt and not to be held responsible? I ask this difficult question for you without reference to specific plants. (Do you even understand what I wrote? Or shorter to formulate?)
  • Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 26 June 2013 12: 33
    -1
    Yes, I went to your link. Have you read it yourself? These are local gossip and rumors, summarized in one article. And there is no evidence that the plant is closed.
  • fartfraer
    fartfraer 26 June 2013 12: 42
    0
    you have done the "impossible") now try to go in and ask in a new topic about the fate of the Tomsk industry. I repeat again, this is the Tomsk social network, there is very good. By the way, find out about the GPZ-5, since you so cleverly managed to "reveal the lie". And in general it turns out very cool - all the locals lie, the plant workers lie, but the plant turns out to be working successfully and fully loaded)
  • Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 26 June 2013 12: 46
    -4
    The plant is not closed. Only you are lying. No need to write too much, to dilute the post without the need for chatter.
  • fartfraer
    fartfraer 26 June 2013 12: 50
    +1
    factory bankrupt) people are fired. so how does it work? don’t tell me?
  • Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 26 June 2013 13: 27
    0
    When? What date? Where is the document published?
  • fartfraer
    fartfraer 26 June 2013 13: 43
    +1
    http://zakon.ru/Discussions/prekrashhenie_denezhnyx_obyazatelstv_i_razdelnyj_uch
    et_dlya_nds__interesnye_dela_prezidiuma_vas_21_i / 3355
    http://bazazakonov.ru/doc/?ID=78654(дочернее предприятие)
    sibelektromotor protested, there will be another court.
  • Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 26 June 2013 13: 57
    -1
    The link does not open, server error. Was the document on the closure of the enterprise?
  • fartfraer
    fartfraer 26 June 2013 14: 10
    +1
    both links do not open? the second document on the bankruptcy of the "daughter" of the sibelectromator (entered into force), the first on the bankruptcy of the sibelectromator itself (protested, the case was sent for review to the court of first instance). This is with regards to documents.
    Well, I’ll repeat again, almost everyone from the plant was fired (or they quit themselves). On that link (to the Tomsk social network), hammer in the search for a sibelectromotor and see that it was quite a successful enterprise not long ago, no one even thought about bankruptcy.
    Well, and one more thing, if you need links so much, then just fill in the search engine "bankruptcy of the sibelectromotor"
  • itkul
    itkul 26 June 2013 12: 53
    0
    Quote: Grishka100watt
    I repeat once again. You claim that the company is closed, and it works. Therefore, you are a liar, and insolent.


    And you are not a relative of the three-volt John recently banned
  • Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 26 June 2013 12: 59
    +2
    No. And whose relative are you?
  • Jin
    Jin 26 June 2013 22: 47
    0
    Quote: Grishka100watt
    It’s just that I don’t have a city at all, but in general a village in the north near Arkhangelsk, and nothing is developing, we are not complaining.


    Nothing is an empty place, colleague. And what exactly is NOTHING, do not explain? Did you spend the gas at last? Do not count it as an insult, but the reality is that we, in Russia, are still villages, and the gas is gasified .... And now, in the next village, in the 21st century, gas was carried out and people are delighted !!! ! Gas! Fig-se! ... nightmare, our reality. For some reason, we shout from the international stands ory ... one does not interfere with the other, of course, but it’s a shame for the state sad
  • Dejavu
    Dejavu 26 June 2013 10: 32
    11
    I give examples from my personal life. I live in Blagoveshchensk, Amur Region. I will not beat myself with a heel in the chest, proving that this is true, but I understand your disbelief. Salary 3 years ago in my school was 12t.r. in a jump without taking into account income, therefore he left, although he loved the profession, but it was impossible to live. After the decree (Decree of the President No. 597 of May 7.05.2012, XNUMX)

    "a) provide:

    an increase in real wages by 2018-1,4 times by 1,5;

    bringing in 2012 the average salary of teachers of educational institutions of general education to the average salary in the corresponding region; "


    on equalizing wages with the regional average, it has grown significantly. I personally spoke with the director, who named the amount of 23000r.

    About taxes. I paid all taxes, and in particular as much as 6% simplified and pension for myself. I was not an employer, therefore, I did not pay social security or other deductions. He was engaged in accounting outsourcing in the family business (he mastered this in 2 years). He clearly saw who and why he was stealing, and he also saw how others paid all taxes completely and carried on their business normally. If you have no experience doing business and cutting down your costs, learn to work. I can confidently say that working honestly REALLY. But there will be no superprofits that our businesses love so much. By the way, take an interest in the tax system in the USA. You'll like it. :)

    Yes, and move to the Far East. We are apparently better than yours.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 26 June 2013 10: 43
      +1
      ATP for a detailed answer. I’m glad to such an interlocutor. As for moving to the Far East, I will probably refuse, because in a year and a half I’m going to move to Belarus. I hope everything works out.
      Well, I'll throw a stone about the business, I was not an employer either, but I have many such acquaintances. One of the ways (from the employer's side) of cost reduction is "gray" salaries, which clearly does not benefit the economy. As for "learn to work", everything is I study my life, like everyone else.
      about the reality of honest work, the mother of the chief accountant, clearly explained on the calculations what taxes and what you have to pay for, explained that the price of electricity for a businessman is two times higher than for a simple citizen, etc., therefore, you don’t I argue, anyway, everyone will remain at his own.
      but on the whole I want to thank you again for the answers, such an interlocutor is not often found
      1. Dejavu
        Dejavu 26 June 2013 11: 00
        +3
        And I am glad to have such an interlocutor. :) I do not argue that everyone is dear to us everywhere. The system is very cumbersome. As an example, this is an increase in the rates in the pension fund in terms of insurance and funded parts by almost 2 times. For a businessman with a turnover of at least 5 million a year, this is nonsense. For a smaller business, give 32t.r. from your micro budget. - like death, especially in the regions. The feeling that there is simply no understanding of the difference between Moscow and everyone else, and they blurt out some laws at random. Nevertheless, then letters fly to the king and his administration and they begin to return everything to its former places. The trouble is, the president is unable to keep track of all industries at once. Issued a decree - "to make it good for pensioners." The government does them well at the expense of the unfortunate IPs. And Vova then take the puff in front of a swarm of angry bezesmenchikov. In general, I know firsthand the situation in small and medium-sized businesses. Of course, there is still a lot to do, but believe me, they do. Even 4 years ago, the tax and pension people were hanged from reporting. Now everything has been transferred to electronic document management, electronic queues have been made even in our excuse me "priest of the world". In other words, our country is still 20 years old and we just got up from an open pit. Now I have an apartment, work, education, and a child with a wife, for whose future I am absolutely calm. :)
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 26 June 2013 11: 25
          +1
          You know, I’ll tell you so, the president’s most important problem is that he turned everything over to himself. Well, and one more thing, the demand from local officials is negligible.
          we won't go far with such a system. It’s probably no secret that Putin and Medvedev have been working together for a long time (even before 2000 they worked), but Putin put Medvedev in his place, no matter what. Does this indicate what? he doesn’t understand people well, or did he understand that Medvedev was an "incapable" politician and he would then give up power without unnecessary troubles?
          Well, and based on the isolation of the system on one person, if he is responsible, then accordingly there will be all claims against him, even in those matters for which the governor should be responsible.
          and also, for the shoals of an ordinary policeman, they can even remove the head of the regional police department (Grechman was removed from us, if interested), and for the shoals of the governors, the person on whose proposal he was appointed is not responsible, nor the deputies who approved this appointment. I don’t like it. Well, it also strains the dependence on the export of resources (although it was screwed up even before Putin, even the late USSR was already dependent), we need to get away from this, however, on the example of my region, I do not see any movement towards an "industrial revolution" we have an "innovation center", but the implementation of what is shown at exhibitions is not visible. in general, I will say this (to summarize) -12 years were engaged in all sorts of nonsense, now you can see timid attempts to correct the situation (at least in words), but I I associate this with external reasons. The West Cypriot division of deposits showed that "your money will be ours." Well, etc., external moments. All, ATP for attention.
          1. Dejavu
            Dejavu 26 June 2013 13: 09
            +1
            Yes, not so simple. You just imagine the situation. Hundreds of regions, thousands of cities and villages. Even hypothetically, if you imagine that Putin should personally know about a hundred sensible managers in order to appoint only in the REGIONS! And how many more mayors, mayors and marisheks are needed. You just argue the categories of the city dash village. Here Putin, if the bam would put us and Ooop everything went, galloping, spun around and progressed. Yes, well, it doesn’t happen with us - it’s simply impossible. The fact that under Stalin soared to heaven, so you remember the price. Where my two great-grandfathers still do not know. Russia is moving, business is developing in the country, old enterprises are rising from the ruins. But do not forget - FROM THE RUIN. To put such a country on its feet, and to be as great as the USSR, it takes years of calm. And then the current current 90 dashing buzzed and barely like something, somehow in the zero began to work. Another 10-15 years, we need to reach a good position in the world and in production and agriculture and other things.
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer 26 June 2013 13: 22
              +5
              but here I bet you don’t need to know the mayor of each city, you need to know the governor of each republic-region (there are 86 of them if memory serves) and ask about them. about the ruins from which Russia is raised, after the USSR there were enterprises, science, education, resources were explored, etc., there was no need for new industrialization. technical re-equipment, yes, most likely. but for this it was necessary to purchase machines, invite specialists or send their own to study, and not invest in American bonds.
              Well, with regards to Stalin's time, the country survived two wars (1 mv and civil), preparing for the third (2 mv) -that were ruins. And then it was much harder than now.
              about 10-15 years for development, God forbid that they were, one thing confuses me, with the arrival of Putin and the creation of a "united Russia" they promised in 2012 an awesome breakthrough in all areas, economic miracles, etc. now it is 2013. I don’t believe the promises, there are things, but they are less than expected. Therefore, I don’t support the president.
              1. Dejavu
                Dejavu 26 June 2013 14: 31
                0
                Once again, please, look at sdelanounas.ru there are 900 pages of new machines, farms, factories, ships, missiles, hospitals and other things built in our country over the past few years. Moreover, the report is made by ordinary people, not journalists, through articles and photos. Everything is there, do not be so sad. Russia lives a much deeper life than you think. :)
              2. fartfraer
                fartfraer 26 June 2013 14: 36
                0
                Yes, I am not sad about this at all) and I do not shout that "I have drunk all the polymers", I just criticize in the part that I know.
              3. itkul
                itkul 26 June 2013 15: 39
                -2
                Quote: dejavu
                Once again, please, look at sdelanounas.ru there are 900 pages of new machines, farms, factories, ships, missiles, hospitals and other things built in our country over the past few years. And the report is made by ordinary people,



                On this site you write people who themselves live abroad, and how you can trust them after that

                http://lurkmore.to/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%86%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BE%D1%82

                Strange as it may seem, a very noticeable proportion of tyrnets live away from their beloved homeland (due to the much greater fatty of foreign capitalist sausages, achieved through not their labor) and is acquired in all kinds of Russian-language forums of various kinds. At the same time, in the most neglected cases, the FGM are also actively opposing the swindlers, leaving and other traitors to the motherland, who, in their opinion, should love it locally and contribute to prosperity and shine. Such an important matter as the destruction of bourgeois enemy sausages, they, of course, at the same time leave for themselves.
    2. xan
      xan 26 June 2013 14: 43
      -2
      Quote: fartfraer
      because in a year and a half I’m going to move to Belarus. I hope everything works out.

      you would write it at the beginning, and there would be no questions for you
      the mentality is clear, and screams too
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 26 June 2013 15: 01
        +2
        you can poke your finger into the sky, I don’t need to. you didn’t hear a yell from me. and don’t think that all of Russia lives at the level of Moscow or St. Petersburg, this is far from the case. As for my possible move to Belarus, this is mine, exclusively personal , business and it has nothing to do with my opinion about Putin and his "fans".
  • rolik
    rolik 26 June 2013 11: 29
    +4
    Quote: dejavu
    I can confidently say that working honestly REALLY.

    I agree with you. My wife runs a medical clinic, I don’t know how others do, and her accounting is clear. With licensing, no problem, everything is received. Moreover, the clinic has been around for 12 years. Just a month ago, they put in new dental equipment (as it is in Babamka’s white house). It’s hard of course, but it works fine. Each under its own imprisoned. Who is used to nipping, that will be so. And whoever is determined to work cleanly works cleanly.
    1. mogus
      mogus 26 June 2013 12: 46
      0
      if people receive on average, for example, from 25t.r., then they can afford to spend accordingly. Those who run their own business can work in "white" and develop with such buyers.
      If a good salary is considered 10-15t.r., what can a person afford? And how to work in "white", to develop? and taxes are the same everywhere. So people are going from the region to the city. From the city east to the west ...
  • xan
    xan 26 June 2013 12: 40
    -2
    Quote: fartfraer
    and rural (400 km from the city) hospitals were partially cut down, now they have to go to the nearest hospital along very "good" (note the quotes) roads to get an appointment.

    give every village a clinic, every village has good roads!
    Well, at the same time, every homeless person at the station!
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 26 June 2013 12: 49
      +2
      your humor is understood) apparently, according to the current reforms, you can quite calmly say "you give villages without schools and hospitals, roads are only in the city and there are more homeless people (this will remove housing problems, because homeless people live in heating mains)"
      By the way, and you, with your slogans, have not forgotten a long history of how the Emergencies Ministry reduced the fire department as a result of the reform, and after a while the nursing home burned down and while the firefighters arrived (from far away, because the part that was nearby was reduced as unnecessary) a lot of people died? as for hospitals, in principle, it is clear that there are few people living in these villages. Now it remains only to find out on what basis they were recognized as second-class people and deprived of medical care.
      Well, the question is for you — are you not a second-class person yourself? Or is the state obliged to provide you services, but not the rest?
      1. xan
        xan 26 June 2013 13: 22
        0
        Quote: fartfraer
        as for hospitals, in principle, it is clear that there are few people living in these villages. Now it remains only to find out on what basis they were recognized as second-class people and deprived of medical care.
        Well, the question is for you — are you not a second-class person yourself? Or is the state obliged to provide you services, but not the rest?

        it is impossible to make the standard of living in the village equal to the standard of living in the city for economic reasons, and dividing into the first or second grade has nothing to do with it. The larger the village, the higher the standard of living in it can be created, which is done
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 26 June 2013 13: 30
          +3
          I do not argue. I am talking about something else in general - first of all, paramedic points (hospitals for "poor" villagers) where 1-2 paramedics worked and there were all sorts of "urgent" pills were reduced. That is, now remote villages are practically devoid of medicine. about enlargement, you wrote quite correctly, I don’t argue here. but if the state needs only large settlements, then do not be surprised by the influx of people to Moscow and St. Petersburg, everyone wants to live well (all the more, the teacher gets 100.000 here in Moscow). With this attitude the state will achieve only the concentration of the population in places where there are schools, hospitals, etc. and all of Russia will live in 10 cities (about 10% live in Moscow anyway).
        2. mogus
          mogus 26 June 2013 18: 25
          +2
          you cannot make the standard of living in a village equal to the standard of living in a city

          you minus. Why can not a normal standard of living be made?
          Do you know that China has adopted a suburban development program? For example, MAPP Zabaykalsk and Manchuria - back in the 90s there were adobe houses in Manchuria, now it is http://gidchina.ru/foto/?album=1&gallery=1
        3. mogus
          mogus 26 June 2013 18: 26
          -1
          this is the outskirts of China
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 1 July 2013 18: 38
            +1
            Quote: mogus
            this is the outskirts of China

            The outskirts of China is the wall of China. And on the photo is the outskirts of Moscow! No need to shag grandma.
  • Bokdan1700
    Bokdan1700 26 June 2013 12: 14
    0
    Not otherwise, the oil Potemkin village! The country is in decline. Another default is approaching, and these toasts to the destroyer of Russia !? Sick people ... In addition to PR actions, he did nothing, work only on the rating, but not on the country ...
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 27 June 2013 21: 16
    0
    time will tell what will happen next
  • Revolver
    Revolver 26 June 2013 10: 29
    +4
    Quote: dejavu
    I won’t even begin to compare Vova with Western idiots - it will be strongly not in their favor.

    Perhaps it’s not in them, but it’s too painful to lower the bar. And if we compare the GDP with Yu.V. Andropov, then the bill will be strongly not in favor of Putin. We are not even talking about Stalin, to them all of them as to China in a certain position.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 26 June 2013 10: 33
      +1
      Nagan)) right exactly hit the target)) from me +
    2. Zlodeey
      Zlodeey 26 June 2013 11: 29
      +2
      Quote: Nagan
      And if we compare the GDP with Yu.V. Andropov, then the bill will be strongly not in favor of Putin.

      One of the most justified versions of the death of Andropov is the version of his death. It is claimed that, in one variation or another, Ustinov, Gromyko, Chebrikov, Talyzin and many government officials of a lower rank spoke about this. Based on the fact that the Brezhnev clan led by Chernenko again came to power after Andropov’s death, the version of the death of the Secretary General clarifies the essence of all relations in the Kremlin and best describes the situation in which the power elite lived on the eve of the USSR’s new reversal into the past. Of particular note is the fact that the country was filled with this rumor almost instantly.

      Here is how all this looked in the presentation of Yuri Semetsky, who at that time was a member of a narrow circle of people admitted to Andropov (he only published his memoirs in December 2005). “By chance, I was initiated into the secret of the death of Andropov ... - writes Semetsky. - Yuri Vladimirovich really suffered from kidney failure for a long time, but the best doctors of the country treated him, and he was treated well. So, nothing foreshadowed death, let alone sudden death. However, if you begin to study open sources of information devoted to this issue, you will not find anything but the conclusion of the doctors - you died from a disease, a natural death in the modern world. But this is not true. Yuri Vladimirovich Andropov was killed, killed with a firearm. A criminal case was opened on this occasion, and the perpetrator was arrested. But it was like that.

      Andropov took the country from the hands of Brezhnev, who died in a Bose. Many now remember the era of Leonid Ilyich as the "golden age" of the USSR. But in the last years of the life of Our Dear and Beloved, the country fell into the abyss, and corruption in the highest echelons of power was so total that it could lay claim to the Guinness Book of Records. Almost any official suspected of disloyalty could be arrested without caring about collecting evidence of his criminal activities, a search of the apartment gave this evidence more than enough. Andropov took such a country.

      A wave of inspections swept across the country on roads, in shops, on the streets - this is how the people were driven to work, arrests and "suicides" shocked the top administrative apparatus. Among others, the Minister of Internal Affairs Shchelokov was arrested (heading the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs since 1966).

      Since time immemorial of the Soviet regime, the summer cottages of the two main security officials of the country - the Chairman of the KGB and the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs - have had a common fence, and the border between the sections was speculative - that is, it was absent. Whether any of the numerous Chairmen have ever been friends with the Ministers is unknown to me, but Andropov was not friends with Shchelokov, did not go on a visit and did not erect a fence between the sections solely for the sake of preserving the tradition. Andropov and Shchelokov lived in the same house with Brezhnev. The apartment of the head of the KGB was directly above the apartment of the Secretary General. And the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, who belonged to the Brezhnev clan, lived a floor below. For many years, Shchelokov’s wife was Brezhnev’s best and closest friend.
      1. Zlodeey
        Zlodeey 26 June 2013 11: 29
        0
        After the arrest of Shchelokov, Yuri Churbanov (Deputy Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Brezhnev’s son-in-law and the third husband of his daughter Galina, who also expected to be arrested as a result of investigating crimes committed with her complicity) and Viktorov, a stream of high-ranking intercessor-supplicants stretched into the office of the new Secretary General. They were driven not only by compassion for those arrested, but also by the fear that the line would reach them. Everything was in vain, Andropov was adamant - his conviction that the police had turned into a mafia clan could not be shaken by frightened visitors.

        The full article is here - http://www.moskva-put.net/attraction/kremlin/generalnye-sekretari-ck-kpss-v/juri
        j-vladimirovich-andropov /

        The question is, is it not by chance that Yu.V. Andropov died in such a short time? After all, a quick change, putting everything in order in the whole country in a short time will appeal only to those who have not yet touched.
        It's all to me that putting things in order and staying in office for so many years as Putin is not sure is easy. At least this is my personal opinion.
    3. cyberspace
      cyberspace 26 June 2013 12: 24
      +3
      If Putin is too small for you in comparison with Stalin, try to compare the current Western rulers with their predecessors, the contrast will be even more vivid. Obama - Frank Roosevelt, Cameron - Churchill, Hollande - de Gaulle or Mitterrand, Merkel - Brandt or Adenauer. Modern in comparison with its predecessors, in general, the minor league.
      Putin, as a politician, is superior to Andropov, if only because the state of the country at the time he came to power was fundamentally different. Moreover, it was Andropov who led Gorbachev to the Politburo.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 26 June 2013 12: 29
        +6
        “Besides, it was Andropov who brought Gorbachev to the Politburo.” It remains to recall who brought Putin to the presidency.
        1. cyberspace
          cyberspace 26 June 2013 12: 47
          +1
          Quote: fartfraer
          “Besides, it was Andropov who brought Gorbachev to the Politburo.” It remains to recall who brought Putin to the presidency.

          Only the consequences of government are somewhat different.
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer 26 June 2013 14: 00
            +3
            I will not argue, I am fed up. So far, apart from the minuses, I do not receive comments for the question "what specific things the president did".
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 26 June 2013 19: 56
        0
        Quote: siber
        If Putin is too small for you in comparison with Stalin, try to compare the current Western rulers with their predecessors, the contrast will be even more vivid.

        As for the European countries, I don’t undertake, and if Obama is to be compared with anyone, it’s with Jimmy Carter. If a vote is held in America on the topic "Who deserves the title of the worst president of all time," these two will lead by a wide margin, and how the votes will be distributed between them is difficult to predict, but the difference will be small.
  • Ivan79
    Ivan79 26 June 2013 07: 52
    0
    Photo matched to the article very successfully ... wink
  • GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 26 June 2013 08: 00
    +2
    Yeah ... the Western people are bored with adequate, sober-minded leaders ... liberalism does not spare anyone, however, only revolution will help them get out of this swamp! hi
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 26 June 2013 08: 07
    +6
    The author quite clearly presented things as they are in fact, the whole West loses in the lack of a strong leader, but this does not stop him (the West) from barking with a pack of jackals such as Obama, Cameron, Hollande and others ... The only thing that pleases me is that they are harsh the realities of life finally began to reach the average citizen of the West, for what values ​​Russia is fighting and what interests it pursues.

    PS Yes, and please do not think that a Russian peasant walks along Red Square and plumps with a Russian bear.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 26 June 2013 08: 12
      0
      "for what values ​​Russia is fighting and what interests it pursues" - interests Russia should pursue exclusively svoe. I do not think that the West shares the interests of our state.
      although I could be wrong, correct if that.
      "The only thing that pleases me is the thought that the harsh realities of life have finally begun to reach an ordinary citizen of the West" - saddens that these realities do not reach all Russian citizens, but on the whole I agree
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 26 June 2013 08: 20
    +9
    In the photo in the article - Putin: "Take your hand ...!" stop
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    2. Curculum
      Curculum 26 June 2013 09: 16
      +2
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      and the photo in the article - Putin: "Take your hand ...!"

      Or you can do it differently: "Stop! It's my prerogative!"
  • Warrawar
    Warrawar 26 June 2013 08: 34
    +2
    In Europe, with the national leaders, everything is very bad. It is difficult to name any independent, strong politician. And this is not to mention the fact that most European states are generally deprived of their own independent policies (as well as independence itself). Against this background, Putin certainly looks like a rock.
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 26 June 2013 11: 33
      +1
      Who said that every nation deserves the government that it has? Judging by the comments of the summit, this is not so.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 26 June 2013 08: 35
    +6
    In international politics, Putin is as good as ever, but from the inside everything is like in a swamp, his one word "we are not 37 years old."
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 26 June 2013 08: 40
      +6
      Quote: Alex66
      In international politics, Putin is as good as ever, but from the inside everything is like in a swamp, his one word "we are not 37 years old."

      But in national politics in general a failure.
  • 123tank
    123tank 26 June 2013 08: 57
    +1
    There is nothing special to comment on: a firm hand is needed in the country — at the moment there is Putin, and not Medvedev, a follower of Americanism.
  • Vasilić
    Vasilić 26 June 2013 08: 58
    +4
    )))
    on the picture:
    - I bent them)
    - well done! .. keep five ...

    I am glad that ordinary people living in any country in the world are not blind and see the real affairs of their governments and are able to analyze the results of these very affairs ...
    ..not all is lost to humanity ...
  • albanec
    albanec 26 June 2013 09: 00
    +7
    Putin, at the request of the Orthodox Church, establishes tough anti-homosexual laws throughout Russia
    Imported the ROC. "Tough anti-homosexual laws" is a request, in the overwhelming majority, of the entire Russian people. For centuries, this plague has not been in Russia and now it is not necessary stop
    1. Dejavu
      Dejavu 26 June 2013 13: 15
      +4
      I am wildly glad that homosexuals are spread rot on our land. Suitcase, train station, Geyropa.
  • Victor Kamenev
    Victor Kamenev 26 June 2013 09: 01
    12
    Putin is highly respected in Asia, where he would like to see the president of the world ... Democracy ... in the West, she has long rotted, oligarchy ruled, Obama-Hollande is her spokesperson, she performs representative functions. Democracy, in a certain sense, is in Russia: Putin and his policies are respected by the people, and this is the main sign of democracy, its other mechanisms are secondary.
    Democracy is a thing limited in time, and its time seems to expire, all over the world. Manipulations through the media, the Internet will not survive ...
    1. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 26 June 2013 09: 50
      +3
      One owner of a motel or our camp site in Courchevel, after a vacation at his base, the Russians said: "Definitely, democracy is in Russia."
      1. Dejavu
        Dejavu 26 June 2013 13: 16
        0
        Why is that?
  • Opera
    Opera 26 June 2013 09: 02
    +7
    Well, there are still normal people in the west, they remain for now. In order to fully understand the growing popularity of Putin in the West, a normal (in our understanding) person needs to live there at least a little. It is to live in order to understand that the normal ones there are not normal for the majority now!
    Here you can give a lot of examples. Of the latter, Putin’s statement in Finland regarding sexual minorities, DO NOT CAPTURE IN OUR BUSINESS! Statement by the Russian Orthodox Church on the departure of most Western countries from Christian values ​​from their roots!
    Well, what a normal person would not agree with that ?!
  • Normal
    Normal 26 June 2013 09: 03
    +2
    These opinions of Western journalists and ordinary people very much remind me of our misconceptions of the 70-80s regarding the West.
    We then:

    Ah, they have freedom there, jeans, rock and roll, abundance and warmth. That would be so.

    They are now:

    Ah, they have gas, oil, and such Macho Putin. I wish we had one.

    We did not want to see the flaws then, but we simply envied. So in the West they do not want and envy. Envy is a bad motive.

    The West is fascinated by Putin, but this is because Western politicians give the impression of clowns. Against this background, GDP seems to be superman.

    According to Comrade Warner, the “wimp” West contrasts with Russia with the madness of liberalism, cultural masochism, the extinction of the indigenous population, an aversion to family life and the adoption of hedonism in return for personal responsibility.


    In reality, Putin is pursuing a Western course in domestic politics with the madness of liberalism in relation to bureaucracy and close oligarchs, cultural masochism on television, the extinction of the indigenous population and its replacement by migrants, an aversion to family life by personal example and the triumph of hedonism in return for personal responsibility among the pseudo-elite
    1. Hariva
      Hariva 26 June 2013 09: 15
      +3
      Quite right. On the fronts of the ideological war with the West, Putin shakes his fists enchantingly, which, of course, is good news. But who will deal with their country? To identify the child in kindergarten "donated" almost a month's earnings. Naturally, the voucher is officially free. And we do not spit so much.
      Here it turns out he "catch up with horror", with and without the collapsing west, well, let him work along the profile. Foreign minister for example.
      1. sasha.28blaga
        sasha.28blaga 26 June 2013 09: 55
        +6
        I often hear about paying for kindergarten tickets. I have two children, I never stood in line for a voucher, never paid for a voucher. I came to the manager, said that I lived in a house opposite and was accepted into the kindergarten, and the second went to work. I don’t understand who manages not to place my child in kindergarten. There are options for impossibility: remoteness, do not like kindergarten, etc., so that's another matter. Of course, my children did not go to "elite" kindergartens, to ordinary ones.
        1. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt 26 June 2013 10: 48
          -1
          Very often I hear about paying tickets to kindergarten.

          That these are prepared topics, though already pretty worn out. From manuals to all well-known organizations.
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer 26 June 2013 10: 57
            +2
            "Those are prepared topics, though already pretty hackneyed. From the manuals of all well-known organizations." - I will allow myself to disagree) the manuals have nothing to do with it (although if you read them, then you have a lot of questions, including the FSB should have) everything is explained much easier - Russia was in a demographic hole, many kindergartens were not loaded and they were sold or leased to organizations, now the birth rate is on the rise, and there is simply not enough buildings for kindergartens. This explains everything. and not being a supporter Putin responsibly assert))) that he has nothing to do with this issue (meaning the lack of kindergartens)
            1. Grishka100watt
              Grishka100watt 26 June 2013 11: 03
              -3
              Blah blah blalabla. I will never believe that these organizations do not give manuals on what and how to talk about and what topics to raise in the forums.
              It is obvious.
              1. Normal
                Normal 26 June 2013 12: 12
                +3
                Quote: Grishka100watt
                Blah blah blalabla.


                Strong argument.

                Quote: Grishka100watt
                I will never believe that these organizations do not give manuals on what and how to talk about and what topics to raise in the forums.
                It is obvious


                Of course, if you don't think with your own head, but use it as a chewing and swallowing apparatus for the consumption of protein, nitra and methane. To receive instructions and manuals in the Nashi department, it is impossible to believe that someone can think for himself. Moreover, it is not clear how it is to attach children to kindergarten yourself, without instructions
                well-known organizations

                It is obvious.

                Gregory, go to the rocking chair and take 250 kg. in the bench press from the chest. You look dope out of my head and come out.
                1. Grishka100watt
                  Grishka100watt 26 June 2013 12: 28
                  -2
                  Surely you think your comments are witty, but I do not read them))))
          2. Hariva
            Hariva 26 June 2013 20: 09
            +3
            what other "prepared topics"? Belgorod region Gubkin. People from the birth of a child queue up. We moved here 2 years ago from the Vladimir region, and did not have such an opportunity. Do you think you did not go to the administration? Yes, we have become bitter than a radish for Mrs Zhilyakova. Disgusting lady. Whoever is local knows. As a result, we agreed on a straight line with the head of the garden. Well, she kind of found a place. And Zhilyakova for anybody knows, and from this she has. Well, the elder was arranged. The youngest (3 years old) will go in August. The voucher is free, but he is a disabled child (autism). There is a special garden - defectologists, psychologists, etc. But the ticket was given to the usual. And in the specials it is necessary to collect grubs again. well there is no possibility already. every 3 months courses of reflexology, acupuncture, etc. Everything is expensive. Not complaining, my problems, but the advertised fight against corruption is just a utopia. I feel it on myself. So that.
        2. fartfraer
          fartfraer 26 June 2013 10: 50
          +3
          it’s good for you)) and my brother had a hard time placing a child in a kindergarten (next to the house, 100 m). The truth cost only a month of waiting and running around, because he is a war veteran, he turned to the Afghan center and helped (there was then privilege for this category) .but I personally know cases when they were waiting for a place for 1,5 years.
        3. Normal
          Normal 26 June 2013 11: 50
          +1
          Quote: Hariva
          To identify the child in kindergarten "donated" almost a month's earnings. Naturally, the voucher is officially free. And we do not spit so much.

          Belgorod.

          State kindergarten is closed. The room is leased. Now there is a commercial kindergarten. Payment - 18 000 RR / month
          Moscow region. The structure of the Presidential Administration

          Quote: sasha.28blaga
          Whoever manages not to arrange their child in kindergarten I do not understand.

          G. Blagoveshchensk. Amur region

          Indeed ... How not to arrange children in a kindergarten in Blagoveshchensk living in Belgorod or Moscow Region? I can’t imagine ...
          1. rainufa
            rainufa 26 June 2013 12: 05
            +1
            Queues in Russian kindergartens should be completely eliminated by 2016. This was stated by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.

            According to him, in the whole country to solve this problem it is necessary to create 1,2 million places.

            The third part of all necessary funds will be provided by the federal budget and regional budgets. Another third of the money plans to attract from non-state sources. The remaining funds will be provided for in the corresponding federal target program; more than 300 billion rubles will be allocated within its framework.

            The situation with places in kindergartens is different in all regions, so it requires an individual approach, Medvedev emphasized.
            Read more: http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2013/04/19/1120130.html
          2. Dejavu
            Dejavu 26 June 2013 13: 31
            +6
            I live on the street. Lazo in Blagoveshchensk and still no seats :))
        4. Dejavu
          Dejavu 26 June 2013 13: 29
          0
          Hehehe, I’m in the queue 2000 ... something like that :) But I decided to move to the village, and there is a garden and a school, and I earn enough to keep my wife at home. But I am glad that there are cities where there are no problems of gardens.
      2. Atash
        Atash 1 July 2013 17: 02
        0
        How can these "fist" hysterics a la Khrushchev please? In the best case, it will scare someone that a clown is in charge of a nuclear power, but will not cause respect. Yes, anyone understands that when it comes to business, for example, God forbid, this accountant will put in his pants to a suitcase with a nuclear button. And with Yeltsin, in spite of his buffoonery with hidden anger, it was clear to everyone: in which case a cold-blooded decision would be made, as with the landing at the Belgrade airport. Nuclear weapons are the main point in international politics, everything else dances from them. Brezhnev, for example, in his best years, in a purely literary diplomatic language, without any kuzka mothers and bastards in toilets, could put the states on their ears with a sleepless night of the White House and announcing an alarm at all military bases.
    2. Dejavu
      Dejavu 26 June 2013 13: 21
      +3
      In reality, Putin is pursuing a Western course in domestic politics with the madness of liberalism in relation to bureaucracy and close oligarchs, cultural masochism on television, the extinction of the indigenous population and its replacement by migrants, an aversion to family life by personal example and the triumph of hedonism in return for personal responsibility among the pseudo-elite


      Yeah, that’s probably why maternity hospitals are being built across the country, increasing the chances of life for 5 months. Well, to replace the indigenous population with migrants. Maskva should not be confused with all of Russia. We have reduced quotas for the entry of labor in Blagoveshchensk. Chinese at a construction site still look. Not to mention all sorts of pasties there. Do not judge your city - village, as about the whole of Russia please. You are simply misleading and sowing panic.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 26 June 2013 09: 05
    0
    Envy and envy again, if only the brains of the geyropeytsy not washed by propaganda would have been nonsense.
  • 755962
    755962 26 June 2013 09: 07
    +4
    And once again, kicking striped in the ass ...
    Putin admitted: Snowden is in Moscow. And he advised the United States not to "cut the piglet"

    http://www.newsru.com/world/25jun2013/kerry.html

    Germany demanded that Britain clarify wiretap information

    http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2013/06/26/n_2997465.shtml
    Comrade Snowden is lighting the fires of controversy in the enemy camp. I think if he sit for another couple of days at Sheremetyevo and our special services will accumulate a significant amount of "hot" dirt against the United States and its allies
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 26 June 2013 09: 38
      +4
      Quote: 755962
      And he advised the United States not to "cut the piglet"

      Rephrase the saying:
      To argue with the Anglo-Saxons, what a pig to cut a squeal a lot, but not a damn wool! The GDP was probably guided by it when he put these Western ghouls in his place, He said it would be so it means he was never going to argue with them!
  • 128mgb
    128mgb 26 June 2013 09: 16
    +3
    In my opinion, one English-language RT is not enough, people abroad are drawn to the truth. And the duty of Russia to convey this truth to them. But by and large, who would have thought that such a human creature would grow out of this short, nondescript, nosy peasant represented by an aging drunkard!
    PS A little pompous, but as I can.
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  • Dima190579
    Dima190579 26 June 2013 09: 18
    10
    Cool photo in the title. In general, did Gorbachev and Yeltsin have good and perfect relations with domestic and national politics?
  • Yves762
    Yves762 26 June 2013 09: 19
    +2
    It’s the same as if I wrote an article in the states about Obama and cited Russian liberals in evidence .... am
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 26 June 2013 10: 59
      -1
      But sho, are we already in America containing tens of thousands of agents, bloggers, publicists, fighters for human rights?
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 26 June 2013 18: 33
        0
        and what, in Russia, tens of thousands of "agents-bloggers-publicists-fighters-for-human-rights" on the salary of the State Department?
        1. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt 26 June 2013 21: 20
          0
          and what, in Russia, tens of thousands of "agents-bloggers-publicists-fighters-for-human-rights" on the salary of the State Department?
          Yes. On grants.
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer 26 June 2013 22: 29
            +1
            It just so happened that there are a lot of universities in Tomsk (I'm a liar for you as usual, so google how many universities we have) and your accusations about bloggers on grants are very interesting because, for example, in Tomsk, grants did not let some scientists "unnecessary" in Russia bend. By the way, what about the constant search for foreign investments? But what about investing money in our "nanotechnology" by foreign investors? There are not many of them, but we still have an innovation forum (again, google, you believe the Internet more, than eyewitnesses) there they lured foreigners in every possible way to attract grants. True, how successfully I can not say.
            total it turns out that a certain part of our science, development, etc. contained by foreigners (which is beneficial for them, do not hesitate). What exactly do you propose to rectify this situation?
            Well, the last question for you (I just don’t have a desire to communicate with you anymore) - why does our FSB not arrest Western agents? Maybe they don’t know. Tell me where to go, do not be lazy.
            py.sy. so what about the sibelectromotor? tell the members of the forum, otherwise I am a "brazen liar", misled them. just throw the link do not forget
  • Russ69
    Russ69 26 June 2013 09: 25
    +3
    Quote: 755962
    Putin admitted: Snowden is in Moscow. And he advised the United States not to "cut the piglet"

    Wikilips writes that he can generally stay in Moscow. Like the rest are being crushed to the full, and Moscow does not care about that.
    1. Mizhgan
      Mizhgan 26 June 2013 09: 52
      +2
      It is very likely that Snowden will choose Russia. Lavrov and Putin made it clear to the world community that Snowden did not violate Russian laws, there is also no agreement on the extradition of criminals from the United States. But at the same time, neither Lavrov nor Putin touched upon the topic of this situation on the further signing of the "extradition law" from the United States, which means that at the moment Putin deeply does not care about America, and that even if the United States urgently wants to sign this agreement, then "urgent" will obviously not work. If at all it works out. And if it works out, then only on the terms of Russia.
      1. Dejavu
        Dejavu 26 June 2013 13: 41
        +3
        I liked the way Kerry sang. "Yes, we do not have agreements on extradition, but we are civilized powers and we can agree on a friendly basis." Here, about Booth, he should be reminded.
        1. xan
          xan 26 June 2013 22: 21
          0
          Quote: dejavu
          I liked the way Kerry sang. "Yes, we do not have agreements on extradition, but we are civilized powers and we can agree on a friendly basis." Here, about Booth, he should be reminded.

          Ours should not touch Snowden, let him decide his own fate.
          And in no case do not extradite him to the United States and do not exchange it for Bout or anyone else.
          Nishtyakov from this position will be much more than forcing Snowden or his exchange. I am almost sure that ours will do so, again they will jam the West, or rather they will not prevent the West from jamming itself.
          Georgian joke
          - Givi, I had a terrible sexual act today
          - Woman with woman?
          - Not
          - man with man?
          - No
          - Which one then?
          - I and I.
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 26 June 2013 09: 28
    +4
    At every reputable US university there are INSTITUTES for the preparation of new "not democratic, or even shitty" leaders for the whole world. Preparation of new BULK is carried out according to the state order ... i.e. the state pays for this training. And we went all over the world to "de-democratize" the society of their countries, a host of new leaders with an American outlook. It is like the missionaries of Rome baptized idolaters all over the world. The papal envoys succeeded in this ... A number of graduates of the Institutes of Democracies also succeeded ... remember the "color revolutions" ... the "Arab spring" ...
    We had an attempt to do a similar thing through the Peoples' Friendship University. Patrice LULUMBA! But as always, when "dogmas are our everything", it turned out very wooden ... and hence ineffective. Summary of all that has been said - we also need to actively create similar incubators for training leaders - Russophiles! And do not be afraid that we will be accused of preparing them.
    One is still not enough for a successful solution to this problem - THE ABSENCE OF A CLEARLY FORMULATED NATIONAL IDEA!
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 26 June 2013 11: 13
      +1
      One is still not enough for a successful solution to this problem - THE ABSENCE OF A CLEARLY FORMULATED NATIONAL IDEA!

      It remains a trifle - to amend the constitution, where in Article 13, clause 2. it is written: No ideology can be established as a state or mandatory.
    2. Atash
      Atash 1 July 2013 18: 06
      0
      We are confused with the term "national idea". This term just completely formulates the idea with its name. The idea is that some nation prioritizes its own exclusivity and its own national interests. Russian-speaking people confuse the term with the term "ideology of the state". And this is no coincidence. The national idea is unnatural to the historical mentality of the Russian and Siberian, so to speak, Turks. I mean the Tatars, Kazakhs and other Turks, geographically living between Tatarstan and Kazakhstan. I still cannot find another definition for the listed peoples. Therefore, the Russians were orthodox in Christianity, and when they became disillusioned with Christianity, they fell into communism. Russians cannot have a national idea; they must have another idea. And Europeans, they are chauvinists, can stupidly consider themselves superior to everyone, this was their strength, hence their cruelty.
  • KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 26 June 2013 09: 28
    +3
    Putin is acting out in international relations because he has his hands tied in domestic politics ... In the world, he shows how he can act, but in Russia this would be a disaster. Throw off his oligarchs and friends - millions of strong opponents instantly form in him. If he begins to fight with them, they will compare him with Stalin ... In general, he will have his hands tied and will not be able to conduct the current strong policy in international relations.
    I think Putin thinks this way:
    I’d better defend Russia from external enemies than I’ll wage internal warfare ...
    a real statesman, not the chairman of a collective farm ...
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 26 June 2013 09: 40
      +4
      if he began to pursue a policy of nationalization, etc., then the number of his supporters among the citizens would have increased noticeably. Taking into account the attitude of many of my acquaintances and friends to Comrade Stalin, if Putin had even "a little bit" Stalin would have been a true president of Russia full support naroda.a so far (even from your comments) it is clear that the opinion of "purses" is more important to him. So I think Putin is not the best ruler of Russia.
      1. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 26 June 2013 12: 45
        -2
        Russia is a multinational country. This will only lead to unnecessary suppression of local uprisings, to a civil war. Which will lead to the weakening of Russia as in the time of Nicholas 2. It makes no sense to fight the British if you have a war of white and red at home ...

        Putin does not officially give an assessment to his predecessors. He transferred this right to the Russians. And he just fight with England. Which cannot blame him for Stalinism.

        This is my personal opinion about Putin and his politics.
      2. Dejavu
        Dejavu 26 June 2013 13: 46
        -2
        It seems your friends are more fortunate with great-grandfathers than me. Mine was sent to Vorkuta, or rather one of them. I don’t know about the second, but even the photos were taken. It would be better if Putin would be like Putin because he is already a historical figure, however pathetic it may sound. But I am convinced that in about 20 years I will remember Putin as a great man. Unless, of course, he will not be president yet laughing
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 26 June 2013 13: 54
          +4
          my great-grandfather was from the Kuban Cossacks, fought against the Red Army, was exiled (with his family) to the Kemerovo region. my grandfather retired as the head of counter-intelligence at a closed enterprise. Dudaev was one of the exiled (though still a kid). I personally don’t see any restrictions on the rights for the children of the repressed, as for the exile, so I am still reading the "historians" -liberals, I am surprised, why then did they not shoot my great-grandfather? I repeat again, I fought against the Red Army, given that time I have no doubt which killed the Red Army men.
          By the way, my grandfather until the end of his life was a communist and idolized Stalin. Such are the vicissitudes of fate
          1. Dejavu
            Dejavu 26 June 2013 14: 39
            0
            I recently stumbled upon the old Orthodox archives of the Amur Region, where all the priests who were shot under Stalin were listed. To be more precise, the archival data of the KGB transmitted by the Russian Orthodox Church. Photos of prisoners face-profile with names are attached. The list is long and scary. That I can never forget and accept.
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer 26 June 2013 15: 11
              +3
              you know, what’s happening with the church now is a separate conversation, as for those times, the church was an institution of state power and after the revolution they began to break it. Then they built their own church, which is already under the control of the new government, to replace it. And this will happen in the next (possible but not desirable revolution), because the church should not go into power. yes and the government should not somehow single out one of the religions. however, it seems to me (I can be wrong) that in today's Russia this is far from the case.
              1. Dejavu
                Dejavu 26 June 2013 16: 36
                +1
                In Russia, Orthodoxy is not just a religion; this must be understood. Orthodoxy has long since ancient times become for us soul and blood. You can treat the Russian Orthodox Church and the "priests in jeeps" as you like, but this will not change the essence of things of the past. There are a huge number of sincere Orthodox Christians who believe in God and love their Motherland and are ready to give their lives for it. Believe me, there are a lot of such people. All this is somehow connected with Orthodoxy. Therefore, the current government, represented by Putin, cannot fail to realize this and will support this spiritual core of the country with all its might. The Russian Orthodox Church does not climb into the power, because the power already helps it in all undertakings. The only sad thing is that not all "ministers" understand that they are being looked at and draw conclusions. But I personally know several priests who deserve sincere respect. I draw conclusions from them, and not from those others.
                1. kris
                  kris 26 June 2013 17: 34
                  +2
                  Quote: dejavu
                  Orthodoxy has long since ancient times become for us soul and blood.

                  Do not generalize!
                  Faith and religion are two different things!
                  Religion parasitizes on faith. She is a mediator between God and man.
                  Do you need an intermediary?
          2. ed65b
            ed65b 26 June 2013 15: 45
            0
            Nevertheless, Dudayev rose to the rank of colonel and commanded strategists at the northern airfield if my memory serves me right.
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer 26 June 2013 16: 44
              0
              he received the general’s ebony. by the way, he was awarded for Afghanistan, bombing co-religionists, though the Taliban, etc., forgave him and sent mercenaries to Chechnya when the Dudaev needed
              1. Hon
                Hon 26 June 2013 17: 37
                0
                Quote: fartfraer
                he received under the general’s ebony. by the way he was awarded for Afghanistan

                Dudaev was awarded the title of Major General in 1989 ... By the way, the awards were well-deserved. Dudayev was a good officer and commander. As for the co-religionists, Dudaev was an atheist, he built a faithful Muslim out of himself for political reasons.
                1. fartfraer
                  fartfraer 26 June 2013 18: 37
                  0
                  thanks for the amendment)
                  As for the co-religionists, this no longer concerned Dudayev, but all sorts of Taliban, "black Arabs", etc., who came to die in Chechnya for "faith."
              2. rauffg
                rauffg 27 June 2013 13: 38
                0
                But what is the truth that Dudaev, being in Afghanistan, launched the mechanism that the village was destroyed for the killed soldier? I read about it somewhere for a long time.
      3. xan
        xan 26 June 2013 22: 32
        0
        Quote: fartfraer
        if he began to pursue a policy of nationalization, etc., then the number of his supporters among the citizens would have increased noticeably. Taking into account the attitude of many of my acquaintances and friends to Comrade Stalin, if Putin had even "a little bit" Stalin would have been a true president of Russia full support naroda.a so far (even from your comments) it is clear that the opinion of "purses" is more important to him. So I think Putin is not the best ruler of Russia.

        During the French Revolution, the insurgents broke into the Rothschild Bank and told the manager that now all the finances of the bank would be equally shared by all French
        “Well, gentlemen, 5 francs are due to everyone,” the manager answered.
        And further. A million citizens with a hundred bucks will not be able to become investors. And one with one hundred million bucks can become a good investor if he invests according to the rules of the president of Russia, and not the president of the United States and others.
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 26 June 2013 22: 58
          +1
          uncle, you are so smart. I am ecstatic. Nationalization is not to divide everything between everyone.
          about investments according to the rules of the President of Russia, they invested in the US economy according to their rules. and nothing. Putin's supporters are silent. Well now you started talking about investments "according to the rules of the President of Russia"?
          and also, the banker deceived the French. The nationalization of the bank would give loans at the lowest interest rates, for example. Well, that’s how, in the meantime, expressed his idea.
  • Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 26 June 2013 09: 46
    +1
    - "Thank you Putin for our happy childhood!" - chanted a crowd of British Boy Scouts outside Parliament in London laughing
  • rodevaan
    rodevaan 26 June 2013 09: 50
    +2
    In fact, it’s not good that the zapadoids see the light and start Putin’s pride! This is bad! Better to let him remain "bloody redheads" panimash. Look, in 20-30 years, the regime will build a strong state, and the zapadoids will turn into Red Book animals, which Arabs and Turks will watch in zoos!
    Better to let them rot further at a cosmic pace!
  • Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 26 June 2013 09: 59
    +5
    GDP, bravo !! .... maybe all this will give him even more confidence in actions in the international affairs of RUSSIA
  • sashka
    sashka 26 June 2013 10: 05
    +6
    Unfortunately, Putin did not understand before WHICH COUNTRY (Russian Empire) he was dealing with. They don't like Komsomol slogans and promises here. So now it comes with difficulty. Understands what he is doing wrong and does not know what to do One hope is that he is "ripe". Monomakh's hat is heavy .. The West "notices" everything, and when Russia starts moving, the "rest" of the world is breathtaking ..
  • ed65b
    ed65b 26 June 2013 10: 14
    0
    I almost represent the right-wing conservative parliamentarian: standing in a debate on Syria in the House of Commons, he says: "I have to say that the Russian president spoke for England" ... "

    Gold words. For the most part, the people understand who defends their interests in their homeland, be it England, France or some other country. But they can’t throw off their own government and change course for another, it remains only to merrily die out looking at the raging Gays. In truth, the end of the world is coming; in any case, the irretrievable extinction point of Western civilization has been passed.
  • orff
    orff 26 June 2013 10: 21
    +8
    Putin's winged expression
    - If someone does not believe that everything rises, then he never rises.
    “Do you want me to eat earth from a pot of flowers and swear on blood so that you believe me?”
    - We are ready to lend a hand to all our partners. But we warn: we have long arms.
    - Let's not talk about sad things. Let's talk better about housing and communal services reform.
    - Chechnya has shown the whole world that terrorism can be successfully fought for many years.
    - What are you all - “Toilets, toilets!”, As if there’s nothing to talk about?
    “You cannot buy the health of a nation for any money.” No matter how much you allocate to healthcare.
    - And those who do not want to work in the government in a new way will work in the old way and there will be no exceptions!
    - Our government should work harmoniously, as in synchronized swimming. And then some, excuse me, tear your ass, try, while others just go with the flow.
    - If the official was seized in one place, but he still doesn’t itch, - you need to grab him in two places. For all the places! And then he starts to itch.
    - In general, on the spot you need to decide what place you need to grab!
    - We are ready for dialogue with NATO, even if it is a monologue.
    - We already pulled the oligarchs, put them in their place, and some even sat at the negotiating table with the Prosecutor General.
    - Pensioners need not privileges, but attention. We must pay attention in the toilet - we will pay attention in the toilet!
    - We must not frighten off the emerging increase in the birth rate.
    - With this attitude to life, you must die!
    - Our main task is for teachers, doctors and pensioners to appear in the hundred of the richest Russians.
    - Russia has no other way than the one chosen by Russia.
    “The Americans are inviting our troops to Iraq.” Notice, not to yourself in the USA, but to Iraq.
    - The transit of drugs through the territory of Russia should be the number one problem for drug dealers.
    - If someone does not want to talk with Russia on equal terms, let him not talk. We ourselves will talk with him on equal terms.
    - If a person does not understand when he was warned in a good way - let him sit in prison. In my opinion, there is even such an article in the Criminal Code, I do not remember the number.
    “There is too much violence and death on our television, but there are few films about the war.”
    - If the brains drain, then they are.


    And quite fresh about Snowden:
    - In any case, I would prefer not to deal with such issues, because it’s the same as cutting a piglet - there are a lot of squeals, and little wool
  • Axel
    Axel 26 June 2013 10: 21
    +6
    Germany except brown coal there is nothing
    Japan on the rocks there is nothing at all
    Russia oil gas entire periodic table (may need to steal less)
    Isn't it time to think!
    1. Axel
      Axel 26 June 2013 20: 42
      +1
      In Russia, Putin has no replacement yet, but in general we see who we have at the helm.
      1. sashka
        sashka 27 June 2013 06: 29
        0
        Quote: Axel
        , and in general, see who we have at the helm

        You don’t have a steering wheel and it’s never happened. Who will tell you ... The title of the video is incomprehensible. What is more, Fairy-Tale Rus ???
  • Nero9119
    Nero9119 26 June 2013 10: 29
    +2
    Putin is OUR WAY !!!
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 26 June 2013 22: 19
      +1
      Nero9119

      Could have also ordered a slogan to invent a slogan!
    2. sashka
      sashka 27 June 2013 06: 35
      +1
      Quote: Nero9119
      Putin is OUR WAY !!!

      Well, here are the echoes of the Unified State Examination begin to appear .. And you can even so ..
      And Putin is always young and ONF is always ahead. Get up and sing in the morning .. Painful
  • pa_nik
    pa_nik 26 June 2013 10: 35
    +3
    Apparently, the veil subsides quietly. The TV-truth moves aside and the Truth is revealed. Good article. Thank! hi
  • pensioner
    pensioner 26 June 2013 10: 38
    +4
    Yeah ... On the background of Putin, only Berlusconi looked more or less attractive. And the rest ... I remember how Sarkozy grimaced when he talked with Putin. But at the same time he looked like a short-legged mongrel against the background of an old big thoroughbred dog. Putin looks very worthy. Here you can’t say anything (how not to relate to him) ... As the youth says - IMHO.
    1. sashka
      sashka 27 June 2013 14: 05
      0
      As it should be for the Emperor. (This is not a joke) It dawned on him which empire he ruled and the gay men too. Not an errand boy .. You don’t have to listen to him, but just stand silently and listen ..
  • morpogr
    morpogr 26 June 2013 10: 53
    +2
    Putin speaks simple things in a language that people understand and does not bother in front of other leaders as some Western leaders do faithfully looking at the master, and wag their tail asking for affection and a bone.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 26 June 2013 11: 10
    +7
    If they want Putin in the West, then let them write an application for voluntary entry into the Russian Federation. But the reception should be carried out under a number of conditions:
    -Remove from their territory ..idarasov;
    - Get rid of the American troops ...
    This is for starters, so that the application has been considered. Bids are accepted from 10:00 to 16:00, from 12 to 13:00 lunch.
    1. Standard Oil
      Standard Oil 26 June 2013 11: 31
      +1
      I almost forgot to send applications to the following address: Russia, Moscow, Red Square, Kremlin.
      Or electronically: hochykPutiny.vRF @ ...
  • Igor_kh
    Igor_kh 26 June 2013 12: 34
    0
    I wonder how he would respond to the death in Woolwich, the activities of ethnic gangs of pedophiles in Scotland, immigrant riots in London, the suicidal mass immigration policy and the “Chernobyl” style of destroying our countryside? ”


    Yes, how would you answer? Did you wash the video recordings as in the case of the Lukoilov bourgeois? Or would he send "immigrants" to the Caucasian republics and Central Asia?) You need Churchill!
  • spirit
    spirit 26 June 2013 12: 35
    +6
    I am not a fan of GDP! But if I lived in France, I would have looked better at GDP than at Hollande!
    The Guard followed Napaleon !!!
    For Hollande Pid *** s !!!
    viva la france
  • Igor_kh
    Igor_kh 26 June 2013 12: 40
    0
    I am not a fan of GDP! But if I lived in France, I would have looked better at GDP than at Hollande!



    well, I wouldn’t look at the inauguration of GDP
    http://piter.tv/event/v_internete_poyavilos_sr/
  • regdan
    regdan 26 June 2013 13: 18
    +2
    The whole problem in Europe is that these backward barbarians cannot stand up when they fall. "Shmizis crises, Russia will be kirdyk when Europe falls" I often and often hear. I ask the question "Will we forget how to bake pancakes, cook cabbage soup, plant potatoes, harvest wheat?" Russia has ALWAYS got up itself if it fell, without anyone's help, 20 times in the 3th century. Let me remind you that Europe was in ruins in 1945, the USA and the USSR helped it to get back on its feet, if the USA and the USSR went home after the victory over Nazism, then now we would all read about the horrors of European cannibalism. European degenerates lack intelligence how to get up when they fall.
  • Dejavu
    Dejavu 26 June 2013 13: 38
    +3
    I have a feeling that Yeltsin already understood that there was little left to live, and he threw the country into the deepest pit, put Putin for a reason. Putin didn’t draw on the elite or on the tough business, but rather just on someone who understood what was happening around and with the proper authority in his hands could at least do something. EBN there was no reason to put another Berezovsky at the helm of the country, for his days were numbered, he could barely talk. It is possible that the business immediately approached Vova, but says that they agreed on a little blood. He did not touch them and they enriched, but they did not touch him, and he grew. And now it seems that no one can break it or even bend it. But even kill, I won’t believe that Putin is chasing the dough when you have a whole country in your hands and she believes in you. Wrong person.
    1. xan
      xan 26 June 2013 22: 44
      0
      Quote: dejavu
      But even kill, I won’t believe that Putin is chasing the dough when you have a whole country in your hands and she believes in you. Wrong person.

      agree
      I heard the same thought one-on-one from my director a year ago
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 26 June 2013 23: 09
        +1
        xan

        In addition to money, there is still power.
  • Black
    Black 26 June 2013 13: 44
    +2
    I did not like the article. - Hurray! We have Putin! And there you both rot, and rot!
    Do their leaders not think about the interests of the country and the nation? Is it in Germany then? or in england?
    Nonsense and licking!
    1. xan
      xan 26 June 2013 22: 53
      +1
      Quote: Chen
      Is it in Germany then? or in england?

      Sister lives in Germany for 20 years. Really feels a change in life for the worse. Merkel hates, but Putin likes it. He says that earlier rogue people came to visit us from Russia, but now they come the same, but they spend so much and overstock in such stores that they break their brains from local people.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 26 June 2013 23: 11
        +1
        yes, speaking in your language, "now the mentality is clear")) at what I will notice, I want to move to a friendly state with a common history, and your sister left for a country that is a NATO member)) now your irony in the comment above is clear - they did not save my sister from moving to the decaying west, we decided to help an unfamiliar, independent and capable person free of charge.
      2. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 26 June 2013 23: 48
        +1
        Quote: xan
        Sister lives in Germany for 20 years.
        And can you ask about your sister's approximate income-expenses?


        Quote: xan
        He says that earlier rogue people came to visit us from Russia, but now they come the same, but they spend so much and overstock in such stores that they break their brains from local people.
        This is very interesting: 78% of citizens of the Russian Federation would love to go even if only to see how they live behind the hill (there is no question of overstocking), but they cannot afford it for financial reasons.
        1. xan
          xan 27 June 2013 23: 46
          -1
          Quote: Yarosvet
          And can you ask about your sister's approximate income-expenses?

          German husband and engineer at a factory of industrial refrigeration equipment, sister nurse in a boarding house. The only thing I envy them for is that they traveled all over Europe to cars. And everything else is cooler with me, although I do not bourgeois.
          Quote: Yarosvet
          This is very interesting: 78% of citizens of the Russian Federation would love to go even if only to see how they live behind the hill (there is no question of overstocking), but they cannot afford it for financial reasons.

          where do you find these percentages?
          In my opinion, whoever wanted, he had already visited, at least in St. Petersburg
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 28 June 2013 18: 16
            0
            Quote: xan
            where do you find these percentages?
            The president of the restaurateurs federation announced on RBC that regularly (at least once a month) cafes and restaurants are visited by 22% of the population, the same number was mentioned by someone from the travel industry - too lazy to look for (and business trips were also considered).

            That is, in fact, they regularly go abroad and visit restaurants - the same people.
            Only a person with an income of at least 30000 can afford such a thing (officially the average salary in the country = 27000).

            We can make an even greater correction for the fact that someone is not interested in trips and taverns, but in any case, we get that 3/4 of the population has an income of less than 30000 thousand and is simply not able to afford to go abroad at least once a year.
  • pushkin71
    pushkin71 26 June 2013 14: 32
    +1
    Quote: dejavu
    He works as a bartender and is terribly happy about it, but they say they will soon cut. Do not confuse the experience of a tourist and a resident of the country.

    I agree not to confuse the experience of a tourist and a resident.
    But what do you say about the sensations of a holiday in Gelendzhik and Costa Brava, for example? After all, there and there you are a tourist.
    And where did you see a bartender in Russia who is "terribly happy about it"?
    And how long will you work where you work now? Are you sure that they will not cut you? Are you sure that you will be reduced by law?
    1. xan
      xan 26 June 2013 23: 02
      +1
      Quote: pushkin71
      But what do you say about the sensations of a holiday in Gelendzhik and Costa Brava, for example?

      was there and there.
      In Gelendzhik there is something that no Costa Brava will give. And for me it will outweigh the numerous nishtyaks of the Costa Brava
  • piotr534
    piotr534 26 June 2013 14: 57
    +2
    The realization that Western leaders, if put next to Comrade Putin, look like political "weaklings," has overwhelmed a certain part of the globe.
    The 7 + 1 formula reflects the ratio of the intellectual potential of Western leaders and Putin. All seven brains in a heap lose to Voloode and this becomes more and more obvious even to the western man in the street. laughing