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A letter to forum users

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Hello, dear forum users! I am the same as you inetboeer “torturer of clavs” and, I assure you, would never have undertaken such a thankless job if not for today's “talk show” of Alexey Volodin’s article “The deputy came up with a punishment for gays” and more than three hundred comments on her I understand that this topic “worries” someone very much, but if we are here to discuss the rearmament of our army and navy, the condition of the armies of other countries, the military equipment used by our and other countries, political issues You are not bothered by the idea that gay problems worry you much more than the ones I mentioned?


I admit honestly, I did not read this article and the comments of members of the forum under it, because as I was just not interested, but this number of comments did not remain unnoticed by me and other members of the forum. Let's be aware that interesting and informative articles about stories Russian weapons they are generally unclaimed by our public. Maybe it’s time for everyone to decide for themselves, and why should I participate in whipping up interest around “minorities”? Do not they manipulate me, so often speaking about it in the press (the stone is not in the garden of A. Volodin)? Open any article or news and I assure you that there are very few comments under any of them so that this abomination is not mentioned. Isn't it time to ignore this contagion?

Well, since I got out with my morals, I would like to touch upon other issues that need to be addressed:
- undisguised Nazism;
I like that the site administration together with the moderators are fighting with this phenomenon.
- A large number of comments of members of the forum, which they minusanuli unfairly in their opinion, and they require satisfaction;
Any moderator (if you are not nahamil) can tell you who has done this through the “Private Messages” system, you should not make any comments from this disassembly on the 10-20. If minus the undeservedly contact the Administrator, he is an adequate person, and he fights against this evil.
- the rudeness of some "green" members of the forum or clones of previously banned;
Maybe the Administrator will give more authority to some (1-2 people) moderators who could send boors to the eternal ban?
- poor literacy when writing comments;
There are a large number of programs that track errors, can some start to use them? Sometimes it hurts the eye, but this is a personal and petty opinion.

Let's remember that we have gathered here, as in some kind of club for communication, and the situation greatly influences the style and style of communication, because one thing is to communicate in a decent place where everyone is cultural, and a completely different “market” goes on and littered staircase, where mat is heard from all sides.
Sincerely, Alex (experienced nickname)
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  1. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 25 June 2013 06: 32
    23
    1.Any mention is propaganda. 2. You can’t hide your head in the sand. What to choose?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 June 2013 07: 06
      24
      Quote: FC Skif
      1. Any mention - propaganda

      No, not any! If we do not write, then others will write that society in gays and other perverts sees nothing bad.
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 25 June 2013 10: 14
        0
        And where is the list of do's and don'ts? We have a traditionally legal state, everything that is not explicitly prohibited in the Criminal Code, etc., is allowed. The claim that person X is homosexual is not propaganda, but simply a statement. Otherwise, it will come to the point that they will be imprisoned for the fact that "3.14 ... mi" swear. If you mention it, then you are propagandizing. X)
        1. FOX.
          FOX. 25 June 2013 11: 43
          +5
          Quote: Avenger711

          So you do not swear, from you, and so propaganda rushing a mile away. I would not plant a curse, but for any attempt to justify this phenomenon. You are doing this very actively, along with one more "pusik"!
          1. Avenger711
            Avenger711 25 June 2013 18: 23
            +3
            The word tolerance comes from the word "endure". To tolerate homosexuals and approve of them are so different things that one can suspect a lack of logic in the one who mixes.
      2. Mairos
        Mairos 25 June 2013 13: 37
        +4
        Right! If evil is not fought, then it will do its vile deed in silence and comfort.
    2. Very old
      Very old 25 June 2013 07: 09
      +6
      Max, don't be an ostrich. I hope you do not deny the author honesty. And you + Author +++
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 25 June 2013 07: 40
        31
        The author is a plus. Recently (there will be no offense to anyone) the level of articles and comments has dropped markedly. Either "gays", then who divorces whom, then a "thoughtful" analysis of what cannot be in principle .... And about the minuses, I will say that a category of users has appeared who are absolutely indifferent to what the user N wrote. they simply vote against the country that N. represents, or against him as a person. I'm not talking about offensive words, where they changed one letter and swearing began to comply with the rules of the site. Let's respect the site, let's respect each other, and let's respect ourselves.
        1. Jin
          Jin 25 June 2013 12: 34
          +4
          Quote: xetai9977
          where they changed one letter and abuse began to comply with the rules of the site


          Put you +, colleague, but! Sometimes the use of such words is simply necessary, because you want to call a spade a spade! I agree that such a phenomenon should be minimized, but I personally will not refuse at all. Moreover, there are characters with whom to talk differently, well, just in no way! Remember, for example, the article about the Motherland monument in Volgograd! What should we call those bastards who openly vilified our homeland and history, the memory of our grandfathers? What do you say to that? They and others like them, I name unambiguously and do not intend to change my principles! And when we meet in person, I just hit them in the face! I expressed my opinion, tk. I respect the opinions of members of the forum, please respect mine too.

          Sincerely.
        2. Gari
          Gari 25 June 2013 17: 24
          +6
          Quote: xetai9977
          They simply vote against the country that N. represents, or against himself as a person. I’m not even talking about offensive words, where they changed one letter and abuse began to comply with the rules of the site. Let's respect the site, let's respect each other, and let's respect ourselves.

          Good day to all
          I put +
          I absolutely agree, let's respect, in fact, respect.
          Respect, despite nationality and religion, the state between countries.
          This is a forum - we can and will certainly argue, discuss, discuss, but we must not go beyond
          I will express my opinion on this site, which means this site unites us, and not vice versa.

          Respectfully all
      2. Nevsky
        Nevsky 25 June 2013 08: 21
        +8
        Those. "Experienced" suggests introducing self-censorship on the moral decline in society, which directly affects the army according to all the laws of sociology? what

        See how you hide your head in the sand, you and others do not find yourself when you pull it out of there hi
    3. Nevsky
      Nevsky 25 June 2013 07: 48
      15
      LGBT is a weapon of the 21st century. Do not want to see how our society is changing before our eyes? Please, only then do not be surprised that one fine day the news will be released on military review that homosexuals were allowed to serve in the Russian army. hi

      ExperiencedYou are just like Obama 3 years ago with his pact for the army: "Don't ask, don't tell" It did not help them. From this year, the green light for blue in all areas of society in the United States! laughing
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 25 June 2013 08: 21
        10
        Quote: Nevsky
        that homosexuals were allowed to serve in the Russian army

        To drive to the combined battalion and to the Caucasus or to the Peacekeeping mission to the Dutch heights. The ranks of the "rainbow" ones will quickly thin out.

        But the problem is really ripe.
        For Nazism and Zionism (Israeli offspring with Kalakost simply became impudent at the end. Victims of 4000-000 put much higher than the victims of the USSR 6 - 000) - a ban for a couple of three days, if it does not sober up for 000 days and after the third at the collegial discretion (30-000) of the moderator admins in the aggregate for a month or forever in the Avdi stables.
        For open rudeness, of course, also need to be punished.
        And with literacy, you only have questions at the Ministry of Education. Moreover, there are some ideas that roam: Coffee, coffee, coffee or hell knows how they want to call a noble drink and reject it.
        What are members of the forum to "flatten". hi
        1. Nevsky
          Nevsky 25 June 2013 08: 42
          +5
          By the way, thanks to the publication:
          "The deputy came up with a punishment for gays", I learned that on the website "military review", there are three people who fiercely defended LGBT people and their rights. Who is it? Go to that topic yourself and see. One thing I can say is that these are not newbies and not a troLLI of the site, many have high ranks and shoulder straps on the site. So draw your own conclusions. hi Gay lobby and here wassat By the way, being a lobbyist for blues doesn’t mean being blue, it’s like that ... for reference! hi
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 25 June 2013 09: 19
            +6
            Quote: Nevsky
            By the way, being a lobbyist for blues doesn't mean being blue

            "In life, you need to try everything at least once" - There is such a judgment.
            "Once not p ..." - And this is also there.
            "You can be" straight "but" p .. "in life" - There is such folk wisdom.

            There are many differences.
            In my opinion, all "minorities" should be subjected to strict accounting with the obligatory annual attendance of weekly seminars on the dubious "usefulness" of the "minority" with the issuance of a diploma.
            Naturally for a lot of money. To impose a progressive tax on childlessness. To punish the media for covering "minorities" with a ruble. They want the "minority" to have a party (in a nightclub or a parade) but please, only each natural couple (family with children) in the city for $ 1000.
            Mortgages will be issued to "minorities" and natural families will be the owners and will live.
            ETC. wink
            1. alexng
              alexng 25 June 2013 14: 46
              +2
              In-in! To tax all these gray-brown-raspberry tax for childlessness. And it’s better to settle in a reservoir, where is the thread beyond the Arctic Circle.
        2. Avenger711
          Avenger711 25 June 2013 10: 15
          -1
          Literacy is mainly determined by hitting buttons, at least for me.
        3. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 25 June 2013 10: 22
          +5
          Quote: Papakiko
          What are members of the forum to "flatten".

          Sometimes you read a comment about three times to understand a little what is written there.
          In many respects I agree with the experienced article, it is unfortunate that because of rudeness and nationalism very interesting people leave the site, with very deep knowledge, if a person adheres to some principle, and not like everyone else, then they will certainly instruct minuses without arguments.
        4. nerd.su
          nerd.su 28 June 2013 22: 54
          0
          Quote: Papakiko
          And with literacy, you only have questions at the Ministry of Education. Moreover, there are some ideas that roam: Coffee, coffee, coffee or hell knows how they want to call a noble drink and reject it.

          Anecdote:
          And remember children - coffee is it. It is the gov "o and the Ministry of Education. smile
      2. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 25 June 2013 10: 01
        +5
        Quote: Nevsky
        From this year, the green light for blue in all areas of society in the United States!

        In principle, what’s wrong with that? Gomik, fagot, dog well, okay, the main thing is to work for the good of the country and pay taxes.
        But no! After all, they need to advertise themselves, their unhealthy passion. They need to corrupt children, otherwise tomorrow the old ass will get tired, want young, but it will not be close. What should they do then? Hang yourself, or what? Often they refer to the Bible. And where is sodomy approved in the Bible? There even scattering the seed is condemned !!!
      3. experienced
        25 June 2013 11: 03
        +7
        Quote: Nevsky
        Experienced, you are just like Obama 3 years ago with his pact for the army: "Don't ask, don't tell" It didn't help them. Starting this year, the green light for blues in all areas of US society!

        I’m tired of the fact that there is a discussion of gays in all topics and I tried to somehow reduce this in a way that is accessible to me. I see that this roll-up is not good for the site, I’m trying how I can resist it hi
        1. Kars
          Kars 25 June 2013 11: 10
          +7
          Quote: seasoned
          I’m tired that there is a discussion of gays in all topics and I tried to somehow reduce this in a way that is accessible to me

          I have tried several times. But one of the main arguments of the last time - Geyropa)))))
          1. experienced
            25 June 2013 12: 00
            +4
            Quote: Kars
            I have tried several times. But one of the main arguments of the last time - Geyropa)))))

            Hi Andrey hi I wrote about this, even in technical topics, this "infection" climbs, you can't get used to it, there was no such dirt before, it seems to me that the members of the forum should simply unite and not carry this dirt themselves and those who carry it out, minuses, ridicule. .. hi
            1. Kars
              Kars 25 June 2013 12: 20
              +4
              Quote: seasoned
              do not carry this mud ourselves

              I don’t bear it. And I haven’t climbed into geo-paletic mazes, etc. for a long time.
              And here's how the gay people and the magazine, by the way, have fun in France.
              And yes, do not hit for spelling))))
              1. experienced
                25 June 2013 12: 26
                +2
                Quote: Kars
                I don’t carry it. And for a long time I’ve not climbed into geopalitic smears and so on.

                I see that even in Ukrainian topics 1-2 comments are noted, and sometimes this is not, although I know that you are a patriot of Ukraine hi
                Quote: Kars
                In armored tanks such glory to God is not enough.

                If we continue to remain silent, this infection will go there
                Quote: Kars
                And yes, do not hit for spelling))))

                You take knowledge, they don’t look at spelling drinks
            2. Phantom Revolution
              Phantom Revolution 28 June 2013 23: 21
              0
              Quote: seasoned
              Andrey, hi hi I wrote about this, even in technical topics this "infection" climbs, you can't get used to it, there was no such dirt before, it seems to me that the forum users just need to unite and not carry this dirt themselves and those who bear to get rid of, minuses, ridicule ... hi

              What about the news? more precisely with news feeds that switch top comments along with the picture news? I'm already furious with a cock in one of the photo news. And this photo has been holding for a week, even turn off the pictures.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 25 June 2013 12: 33
            +5
            Quote: Kars
            . But one of the main arguments of the last time - Geyropa)))))

            This is not an argument. It is a fact. hi
          3. Joker
            Joker 25 June 2013 13: 02
            +4
            I think this problem with gays is far-fetched. They just want to attract attention to themselves, which they do one hundred percent and discuss them not only yellow rags, but also patriotic publications and Internet resources. It also seems to me that it is necessary to make rumors on the site and add there what they promised, it will be done, etc. and on the main branch to spread the author's reviews and what has been done. And in general, abstract from politics, there is a subsidiary site "political review", so whoever is interested, let him watch the news there, since there is a column of them, and all these political articles should not be posted on the military review. And the reason is banal, already tired of this d ... mo, every day there are rumors of gossip, this soap opera with defense services is already in the liver, now about gays, now about the supply of S-300, which everyone supplies and cannot deliver. On the main tape today there is a mountain of political articles, of course I understand that people should give sensations, but this jaundiced news will cover all the liberal media anyway. That's why I like the site here, it's because you go there and mentally relax, there are no articles about promises, purely what has been done or a contract has been concluded for something (though there are people kicked out of the forum). I would like it to be like this here, politics is politics, but we have a site MILITARY OVERVIEW, who is interested in politics is POLIT. review. I personally think so, recently I began to read articles selectively, although I read everything before, today this article is the third and last, it is commonplace to repeat the past, and it is not interesting to comment now, all the specialists have gone somewhere and there is not even anyone to ask, and already tired of pouring from empty to empty.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 25 June 2013 13: 57
              +1
              So to speak. This is the work of political strategists. Approximately at the elections to the State Duma in 2011, the flywheel of US xenophobia began to spin simultaneously. And then, when in 2011 they got a failure in the elections, they staked on the conservative part of society, and began to promote the topic of Russian conservatism. In fact, certain groups of society are very easily led to radicalism and very easily rally around it. And this applies to both "liberal" and "conservative" values.
              1. Joker
                Joker 25 June 2013 14: 28
                +8
                Now Zhen, thanks to such political technologies, the majority of the population now has the opinion that if you say something against Putin or in some way indicate mistakes in the country's foreign or domestic policy, then you are a liberal pro-Westerner living on US grants. Famously distracted people from internal problems and from themselves to squabble among themselves. And in fact, I read the news on the site made by us, so there not a day new pig farms are building and I really noticed that our pork appeared in the shops. BUT, it would be my will, I would have interrupted all these manufacturers. Well, they do not know how to honestly run a business, yesterday I bought meat, I wanted to make a pilaf, kg. 400 meat p. Is this the norm? Horseradish with him, bought, came home, part of the pilaf, some decided to just fry, began to fry, but it became white and white, as if covered with some kind of liquid, threw it to dogs, got into the car, drove to the market I bought rustic meat by 290 per kg., I started to fry, excellent meat, when frying it became gray, as it should be. Well, what the hell for me, are these pig farms and new plants, if they break prices unreal for d ... mo? Rustic meat was cheaper, although it should be at least twice as expensive. Here you have the plants. It's all the flowers, the same nai ... around and everywhere, Chinese junk is sold at 4 times more expensive, I thought well, for transportation, they pay for customs, hell with two, climbed to the Chinese clothing site (90% of clothes in the Russian Federation from there) so there is free delivery, and on large batches it is also a 10% skid, I think it is necessary to conduct an experiment, went to the nearest shopping center, went to the first store, took jeans-2500 p. recorded the manufacturer, came home. It was here that I wanted to come back and give the shop owner in the face, the price of 30 $, I mean 1000 p. How do you like this Zhen? And this is the case everywhere; in fact, we pay for food twice, once for the profit of the plant, for the second time for the store. I spit on everything and buy everything directly from the manufacturer, the benefit of 30-40%, I dress like a master in brands laughing I went to Calvin Klein last month, tried on jeans-9000 p, T-shirt-5000 p., Wrote down the sizes, ordered directly from the USA and all together it turned out 7500 p. (With delivery) beauty wink This is how we are deceived all around, and we are all about the pedagogues, about who Putin is sleeping with, about what is happening in the United States.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 25 June 2013 14: 32
                  0
                  This is a good deal - pilaf from pork to do 8) But this is IMHO.

                  Quote: Joker
                  Here I wanted to return and give the owner of the store in the face, pr-in China, the price is $ 30, that is, 1000 r. How do you like Zhen?

                  I can tell you that in fact they are not selling 4 times more expensive than 8)))
                  1. Joker
                    Joker 25 June 2013 14: 43
                    +5
                    This is a good deal - pilaf from pork to do 8) But this is IMHO.

                    I do not like mutton Zhen, that's the thing hi
                    I can tell you that in fact they are not selling 4 times more expensive than 8)))

                    In fact, we even cannot make warranty repairs normal, in the countries of manufacturers and in Europe with the USA each store gives its guarantee and it happens that everything is quickly repaired and changed, but we will have only one month of expertise to do. We often scold the United States, Europe, but at the moment there is much better attitude to a person than ours, we come into the store and look at you as if it were food, even in the USA there are even specially trained people in grocery, which are all to you they will collect it in a package and they will bring it to the car, I'm not talking about disabled people, our cities are not suitable for them at all. The United States reminds me of the Roman Empire. Once a grandiose project, in which a huge number of innovations were really created, is slipping into the abyss because of depravity and thirst for profit, instead of taking only bullshit from there, we would have to take the really necessary and useful, and there This is a huge amount, at least deny, at least not.
                    1. ed65b
                      ed65b 25 June 2013 16: 22
                      +3
                      And where do you live in ????? Something I do not remember a single case that would be looked at as a buyer. This is the money we bring them so we are ready to lick. I know that he worked for several years in electronics.
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 25 June 2013 16: 24
                        +1
                        I regularly encountered a similar attitude in Yaroslavl, St. Petersburg and Moscow. In Yaroslavl - more. But Peter and Moscow are not too far behind.
                      2. Joker
                        Joker 25 June 2013 17: 09
                        +4
                        And what lands do you live ?????

                        S.Peterburg.
                        This money we bring them so ready to lick. I know for sure worked in electronics for more than one year.

                        Lick in the sense of shove just a little more? laughing Noticed of course, come in and go straight girl loan do not want? laughing I really thought that I looked bad, that they were clinging to me with a loan, looked at all to fit. In Electronics, they look at you as a piece of meat, because sellers get a percentage of sales and the more you are pushed, the greater the increase in salary. I know for sure, an acquaintance in the Euroset has been working for 10 for years. wink As for electronics, the situation here is less, because both Samsung and LG have factories here, so prices are digestible.
                      3. Joker
                        Joker 25 June 2013 17: 21
                        +1
                        Oh, I forgot to mention, it may be useful to someone else. Last year I went to buy a new monitor for a computer. My friend works in CSN, agreed with him, came, but he is not, he got out in the warehouse there, well, so far I went to watch monitors, and they stand in a row and the same advertising of the store goes to them and you look at Those that the cheaper image is much worse than the expensive ones, although you look at x-ki and they do not differ much. An acquaintance came from the warehouse and said that all this is bullshit and lure to push monitors more expensive, video is fed to different monitors different, in different qualities, cheaper cheaper, expensive ones better, and there is almost no difference. Here are the things here. So you will choose a TV or monitor, read reviews on the Internet forums, and in stores one nae .... in. PS bought a monitor and gives a picture much better than the one that was in the store wink This is another example of the fact that if you want to find out something, then it’s better to communicate with people directly related to the topic, and in the media only water is poured, that in the US, that we have, as we read, this is the end of the world in the US, everyone is impoverished , homeless, communicate with people so they say nothing and has not changed at all, the debt strains, but there are no consequences from it so far. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that the Americans were throwing off and wanted to repay at least part of the debt, in my opinion 5 billion US dollars were transferred for repayment, this is by the way about balabolism, someone with awe language, and someone doing it. Here they do, and those who drive along the sidewalks come home and whine on the forums how bad it is in Russia and everything is about a bydlo.

                      4. ed65b
                        ed65b 25 June 2013 17: 58
                        0
                        If you take large networks, then the situation with vparivaniya g.a familiar and additional services are different for a voiced coin. The main thing here is not to be conducted. A competent seller to impose frank crap .. but we would not have in our stores a category of buyers who came to buy a particular seller. Although this does not apply to most networks.
                2. ed65b
                  ed65b 25 June 2013 16: 19
                  +3
                  Pilaf and pork are excellent, just hands should grow from the right place.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 25 June 2013 16: 26
                    -1
                    It will turn out that way from any meat - there’s an Azerbaijani hinged bird in general. However, lamb, beef, horsemeat are thinner to taste, and pilaf is more interesting.
                    1. ed65b
                      ed65b 25 June 2013 17: 54
                      +2
                      Oh dear, come to me, I'll make you such a pilaf, lick your fingers. Speaking of tastes, I ate dog meat in Korea, I didn't believe it right away, although I was warned, but with vodka, a basin "heh" just flies away hi
                    2. Genady1976
                      Genady1976 25 June 2013 17: 57
                      +1
                      and say helpful good
            2. Papakiko
              Papakiko 25 June 2013 17: 14
              +1
              Quote: Joker
              Here I wanted to return and give the owner of the store in the face, pr-in China, the price is $ 30, that is, 1000 r.

              The cost of medium complexity cut jeans = $ 10-12, even if this super-duper branded. Everything else is extra charge.
              Quote: Joker
              I went to Calvin Klein last month, tried on jeans-9000 rubles, a shirt-5000 rubles, wrote down the sizes, ordered directly from the USA and together it turned out 7500 rubles (with delivery)

              You would order it directly from China.
              And so the Yankees have made money on you.
              Quote: Joker
              climbed up to the Chinese clothing site

              If you want to dress in quality-natural(not chasing brands, brand names ... chasing wink ) and not synthetic things, then you need to go to "tea" and establish relationships. You can make friends with the Chinese from the market and ask them to bring you high-quality textiles from China.
              Quote: Joker
              you go to our store and everyone looks at you as if for some reason

              Why do you go to such stores? belay
              Quote: Joker
              in the USA in the grocery even people are specially trained, who will collect everything in a package and bring it to the car

              So they are trying to fight the employment of citizens and this is included in the price of goods + subsidy from the Fed.
              The beauty!?
              1. Joker
                Joker 25 June 2013 17: 28
                +1
                If you want to dress in high-quality, natural (not chasing brands, ... she chases after brands) and not synthetic things, then you need to go to the "china" and establish

                It is indisputable, they and brands are sewn there.
                Regarding the chase for brands, you are wrong, I will explain why, I don’t care what is sewn on the label, even if it’s made in Tajikistan, I’ve got the main quality, and in China it’s not, the brands monitor the quality of their stuff, therefore they are brands, I have HUGO BOSS 2 trousers of the year, and they are still as new, the quality is just great, unlike ours and the Chinese manufacturers, who wear the floor of the year and can be thrown out, I had our trousers, washed them for the first time, began to iron, and they became pinkish on their knees laughing The paint peeled off)) On brands, the savings are excellent, and you buy things for ages. I mean not brands for golden youth and fashionistas for whom this means to show that they have money, but normal companies that have been in business for many years, such as HUGO BOSS, they won to the Germans in the second world form laughing
                And so the Yankees have made money on you.

                Let them earn, I don’t feel sorry if the price-quality ratio suits me, I’ll just be glad. Maybe somewhere it’s cheaper, but I haven’t seen it honestly. And who is the manufacturer there, the Yankees, the British, the Tajiks, the Russians, I don’t care, I pay money and I want to get a quality product, not consumer goods at a double price. If the United States and Russia have the same product in terms of quality and price, I will definitely choose ours, but for the time being, I only choose Kaspersky from ours laughing yes furniture, because there is no choice, bought an American sofa for 54 000 p. (leather) so 3 of the year is worth and not a single squeak (and our price was lifted up on 20 000 higher than the manufacturer's), then the bed in the bedroom through 2 had to be changed, because it creaks, bought Belarusian (a little more), while everything is fine . Oh yes, about brands, all men still have advice, and women, too, quit smoking and drinking, and money will appear for high-quality and expensive things, you can’t even imagine how much money you throw away to the wind in a month, and you also spoil your health.
                1. Papakiko
                  Papakiko 25 June 2013 18: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: Joker
                  but in Chinese there is none

                  Oh in vain you are so.
                  Our technologists work in China on a rotational basis and a lot of things are sewn there.
                  Quote: Joker
                  HUGO BOSS

                  I can tell you many brands of consumer goods, which I wear for 3-5 years, and things "burn" on me (I "kill" 4 jeans a year.
                  Pants (trousers, jeans, leotards, leggings, shorts) "firm" from non-"firm" differ in fabric and, naturally, CUT, taking into account the anotomical characteristics of each race and people.
                  (For example, the European has a hip-to-knee joint 3-6 cm longer than the average Russian, we are small Mongoloids, and so in many places throughout the body.)
                  Shirts, Engbers, Melvin, Melka, GAP /
                  Underpants, naturally our-Chinese manufacturer ARMADA.
                  Quote: Joker
                  all men, and women too, quit smoking and drinking

                  This should be done not out of interest in clothes, but in relation to your beloved, and this is your health and your children.
                  Quote: Joker
                  bought an American sofa for 54 000 p. (leather) so 3 years worth and not a single creak

                  I know furniture makers who have EMPLOYEES who receive from 60 to 000 a month, drive "Kruzaks" and live in 100-level Euros. They make exclusively "Italian", French "and other sofas.
                  Quote: Joker
                  If the United States and Russia have the same goods in terms of quality and price, I will definitely choose ours

                  To do this, you need to put many factors in one basket and all of them are initially in the availability of finance for the manufacturer. Just as our manufacturers will receive loans at 0% for 3-7 years, so domestic quality things will immediately appear in bulk.
                  For example, bedding from the Ivanovo masters. hi
    4. Pimply
      Pimply 25 June 2013 13: 17
      0
      Well, what to do, it’s more important for people who is sleeping with whom. They are very worried. Suspiciously strong 8)
      1. Joker
        Joker 25 June 2013 13: 23
        +6
        Well, for such here this site is suitable http://7days.ru/ there you can learn everything about everyone laughing
        I think the site needs an "iron curtain" and more comments on the case. Previously, the articles were about foreign equipment, the army, but now every article is just muddying. I even remember myself wrote a couple of three articles about the armies of the world hi VAF you do not want to write articles about our aviation and foreign ?? It would be interesting to read, and to save time, you can take articles from other resources and correct what you think is wrong, from the point of view of practice, and not room analytics.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 25 June 2013 13: 51
          -1
          Yes, here I am about the same.
      2. FOX.
        FOX. 25 June 2013 13: 47
        +2
        Quote: Pimply
        Suspiciously strong 8)

        And what is suspicious for you? That to NORMAL muzhiks is disgusted with this phenomenon in principle and we do not want that it would occur at all in our society.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 25 June 2013 13: 52
          0
          Not. Just excessive discussion of this topic and ostentatious rejection often indicates latent homosexuality.
        2. Joker
          Joker 25 June 2013 14: 46
          +3
          And what is suspicious for you? That to NORMAL muzhiks is disgusted with this phenomenon in principle and we do not want that it would occur at all in our society.

          Sorry, but normal men won't rummage in this, and if everyone doesn’t care so much, then go out into the streets and arrange a rally, this will be the case, but it will not solve itself by discussing the problem.
          1. FOX.
            FOX. 25 June 2013 15: 00
            +1
            Quote: Joker
            from discussing the problem, it will not be solved by itself.

            And from silence ceases to exist? Your preferences on the site have long been known, so take care of your tips for those who care about them!
            1. Joker
              Joker 25 June 2013 15: 09
              +3
              And from silence will cease to exist?

              There are balabols, and there are men, the man took and did his job silently, and the balabol can only wag the tongue and know how.

              have long been known, so take care of your advice for those to whom they are not indifferent!

              They decided to stigmatize the enemy of the people? Excellent method when the arguments are zero good
              1. FOX.
                FOX. 25 June 2013 15: 14
                -1
                Quote: Joker
                There are balabol, and there are men

                Apparently "took and did" is not about you.
                Quote: Joker
                They decided to brand the enemy of the people?

                You brand yourself.
                1. Joker
                  Joker 25 June 2013 15: 57
                  +1
                  Apparently "took and did" is not about you.

                  Ass-, ass-laughing balabolte and on good I, instead of discussing the queens, will do better work, and your destiny is only to scratch my tongue and to lie on the stove. Best wishes to you hi You can not answer, for balabolov I use a blacklist (thanks to the administration hi )
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  • experienced
    25 June 2013 10: 58
    +4
    Hello guys hi Honestly, I’m in shock, I sent my essay last night, then I had dinner with my comrades, and today I went to the site, and here belay
    Now I will gather my thoughts and try to answer everyone hi
  • experienced
    25 June 2013 10: 58
    +1
    Quote: FC Skif
    1.Any mention is propaganda. 2. You can’t hide your head in the sand. What to choose?

    Do not mention too often wink
  • FOX.
    FOX. 25 June 2013 11: 33
    +3
    Quote: FC Skif
    you can’t hide your head in the sand

    I think that there can be no two opinions on this matter.
    Not later than yesterday, I advised one of the members of the forum to abandon the habit of hiding his head in the sand, because one day a concrete floor may be under your feet.
    Our contemptuous silence has already led to the fact that this evil spirits parades across Russia, taking our silent inaction for approval. So this infection is blooming in Mother Russia and "flowers" have already appeared on the forum.
    And, frankly, I do not understand the purpose of Alexey "Experienced" letter !? What is it? Trying to be good for everyone or worrying about the suffering of the "minority"? Explain yourself, Alexey!
    Yes, there are a lot of interesting topics on the site, but this is one of the sore spots on the ailing body of our society, and ignoring this sore is more precious. Such "abscesses should be treated, moreover, with a surgical method, and not gently stroked, saying:" Please, no pain! "
    A STRANGE SOMETHING LETTER, HEADLESS AND SPEECHLESS!
    Its purpose is not clear, except that the administration boots lick ...
    1. experienced
      25 June 2013 12: 05
      +1
      Quote: FOX.
      Our contemptuous silence has already led to the fact that this evil spirits parade around Russia, taking our silent inaction for approval.

      On the site, is someone promoting the gay movement? Why is it necessary on the site "VO" to fight against something that climbs somewhere? Go to places where there are a lot of gays and knead your fists hi
      Quote: FOX.
      And, frankly, I do not understand the purpose of Alexey "Experienced" letter !? What is it? Trying to be good for everyone or worrying about the suffering of the "minority"? Explain yourself, Alexey!

      I do not suffer for "minorities" and do not want to be good for the majority,
      I WANT THAT ON THE SITE WHICH I LIKE IT WAS LESS DIRTY!
      highlighted by caps to not be repeated hi
      Quote: FOX.
      Its purpose is not clear, except that the administration boots lick ...

      Bugaga, I was often called the "admin's secret weapon" wassat And the admin only banned, with which mercilessly laughing
      1. FOX.
        FOX. 25 June 2013 12: 28
        +3
        Quote: seasoned
        Is someone promoting the gay movement on the site?

        Yesterday's discussion showed that the three "propagandists" are already here.
        Quote: seasoned
        I WANT THAT ON THE SITE WHICH I LIKE IT WAS LESS DIRTY!

        Do not be mistaken, this desire is not alone for you, but the fear of messing about a universal human problem will not make you cleaner and, moreover, our common club will not make you cleaner!
        FIRST A BROOM AND A WET RAG TO MAKE CLEANLESS, AND THEN CALLING "DO NOT LETTER" ...
        Quote: seasoned
        I was often called the "admin's secret weapon" before

        Perhaps not without reason ...
        Quote: seasoned
        Admin only banned, with which mercilessly

        And what, now you give the order for it?
        You are not the only one who went through the "ban", but while you alone are "hitting the boot with your tail" in the TU side.
        1. Joker
          Joker 25 June 2013 13: 25
          +1
          Yesterday's discussion showed that the three "propagandists" are already here.

          Who! And then I did not read the article yesterday, and laziness to rummage in the comments.
  • Normal
    Normal 25 June 2013 06: 35
    +3
    I completely agree. The "blue theme" worries many commentators so much that it is not good to become. Other questions also take place. The author is a plus.
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 25 June 2013 06: 47
      22
      Quote: Normal
      The "blue theme" is so worried about many commentators,

      When it did hairstyles to our stars love I was silent belay when they started to open their interest circles under neon signs I was silent good but when these ..... begin to climb into all spheres of life am and at the same time they require special treatment, there is only one step left to genocide on the basis of sexual orientation. I feel sorry for sick people who patiently bear their cross without showing it off. But I really want to see the dying look of those who push them to actually commit suicide am
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 25 June 2013 08: 12
        25
        Well, probably tolerance is contagious, but here in America it is so much that it could stick to me. But I believe that while adult capable people by mutual agreement do what they want indoors, it's their business. They can shove anything to each other anywhere, there is one another in their sense (i.e. lick and suck) or in the literal sense like those Germans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cannibal. That is their right.
        But at the same time, it is my right, as a father, to be sure that my children will not see on the street what I cannot explain to them without using words that they know early in age. If perverts really want to show themselves like their degree of perversion, please rent a restaurant, a concert hall, and at least a stadium, and let those who are interested, who support. Do you need police for order and protection from indignant citizens? Hire at your own expense. And I do not want to pay taxes and see how my hard-earned money is spent on this debauchery. And if they demonstrate their identity on the street, they should be arrested for depraved acts in a public place.
        Something like that.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 25 June 2013 10: 19
          +8
          Quote: Nagan
          They can shove anything to each other anywhere, there is each other in their sense (i.e. lick and suck) or in the literal sense like those Germans .... That is their right.

          Let me disagree. Russian Tolerastism goes the other way. We see how young drink on the streets, pass by, allegedly not noticing. And then we condemn sitting at the warm stove, those drunken acts that led to the tragedies. Both in families drunk, and in those not having any relation to them.
          It is intolerance of society that can bring about relative order. It’s up to the police to only help maintain that order.
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 25 June 2013 12: 49
        +5
        Quote: Ruslan67
        When it did hairstyles to our stars, I was silent when they started to open their hobby groups under neon signs, I was silent, but when these ..... begin to climb into all spheres of life and at the same time require special treatment

        That's it. By our silence, we can lead to the fact that tomorrow such scum may be behind the consoles of strike weapons. Also, in the struggle for "equality". Well, since, no matter what the WHO considers, such aspirations are still a dislocation, it may turn out to be simply dangerous for the planet ...
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 25 June 2013 13: 33
          +3
          And how do you know that he is no longer sitting? Studies show that even in extremely patriarchal societies, the percentage of homosexuals remains on average stable - 1.5-3%. And also - how does this affect combat training and service.

          Guess which of these served in the army?
          1. Denis
            Denis 25 June 2013 20: 41
            +3
            Quote: Pimply
            Guess which of these served in the army?
            Something similar was about those who starred in the 9th company
            And on the other hand, the artist is required not to serve, but skillfully and without falsity to portray. Remember the verses of V.S. Vysotsky, but he did not fight, did not sit, etc., etc.
            And N. Valuyev probably served as a sport or institute then, he served. In any case, he brought more than a conscript soldier to the country
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop 25 June 2013 22: 47
            +4
            Quote: Pimply
            And how do you know that he is no longer sitting?
            And I do not want to guess, not that topic. For some reason, I want to be sure that such operators will not be allowed to the consoles. The cost of error is too expensive. And from the photographs presented of these individuals there is at least one who served in a SERIOUS post? And he didn’t fool around, like the well-known historical characters. For example, at the same time, Leo Tolstoy and Taras Shevchenko served. That's just Tolstoy fought on the redoubts of Sevastopol, and Shevchenko thumped in the reserve regiment hell knows in what distance from the front line
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 25 June 2013 13: 30
        +1
        Guess which one served? 8)
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        2. FOX.
          FOX. 25 June 2013 13: 41
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          Guess which one served? 8)

          Hello, WIFE! Tell me, how to choose? How to captcha on file hosting?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 25 June 2013 14: 00
            0
            Quote: FOX.
            Hello, WIFE!

            Felix, and you can’t get sick. How of you rushing something. Look, don't choke.
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            2. FOX.
              FOX. 25 June 2013 15: 16
              +1
              Quote: Pimply
              Look, don't choke.

              Thanks for the trouble, I can handle it for now!
        3. MilaPhone
          MilaPhone 25 June 2013 15: 11
          +2
          Quote: Pimply
          Guess which one served? 8)

          1st, 5th and 6th !!!
          Sergei Zverev in the 1980s served in the Armed Forces of the USSR (Air Defense) in Poland, where he was deputy platoon commander, secretary of the Komsomol organization and rose to the rank of senior sergeant. He was a member of the CPSU.
          Photo Shoot:
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 25 June 2013 15: 15
            +3
            That's right. Peskov was a topographer in the Taman Division, and Moiseev in 1985-1987. served in motorized rifle troops (Sverdlovsk).
            1. MilaPhone
              MilaPhone 25 June 2013 15: 18
              +1
              Quote: Pimply
              That's right. Peskov was a topographer in the Taman Division, and Moiseev in 1985-1987. served in motorized rifle troops (Sverdlovsk).

              Yes, looking at them now you understand what Frenzy of Metamorphoses is!
              1. atalef
                atalef 25 June 2013 15: 22
                +1
                Quote: Milafon
                Yes, looking at them now you understand what Frenzy of Metamorphoses is!
                1. MG42
                  MG42 25 June 2013 15: 28
                  +2
                  So Sergey Zverev served in the army in air defense, Nikolai Rastorguev did not serve ..
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 25 June 2013 15: 33
                    +3
                    Penkin has also served.
                    1. MG42
                      MG42 25 June 2013 15: 39
                      +4
                      And Boris Moiseev served ..
                2. Avenger711
                  Avenger711 25 June 2013 18: 27
                  +4
                  + A lot. I hate these pseudo-patriots who donned a soldier's uniform and shout historically illiterate nonsense like "Catherine, you were wrong" (In the song, who does not know, it is about the sale of Alaska).
      4. Normal
        Normal 25 June 2013 17: 10
        +4
        Quote: Ruslan67
        When it did .... I was silent when they started .... I was silent but when these .... begin to climb into all spheres of life ....

        Well, do not exaggerate. When were you silent? Is it only when you are not on the site laughing And then you can’t believe it ... But the article is a little about the other. Well, how much can you? The site will soon turn into a continuous discussion of a blue topic. Wherever you discuss something, there is surely someone who will launch this topic. Well, good already. Well, it’s not proper for the peasants to suck every thing. After all, they need that to be talked about. They troll us trivially and enjoy the fact that we spend our time and spiritual energy on them. What are we puffing at proving to each other which of us hates the buggers more? Are we in the zone and we have nothing to talk about?
        All on this subject no longer speak out. hi
        1. Gari
          Gari 25 June 2013 17: 33
          +2
          Quote: Normal
          All on this subject no longer speak out.

          Everything is right and not necessary, there are so many serious and interesting topics on this site
          Good luck everyone
        2. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 25 June 2013 21: 13
          +4
          Quote: Normal
          All on this subject no longer speak out.

          Let me doubt it request Himself in the teeth imposed but they are very good at pouring butter am And they will graduate something like this is not necessary here that neither You nor I can keep silent am And it will rush over again. This is definitely a war without rules. So don’t promise hi
          1. Normal
            Normal 25 June 2013 22: 01
            +3
            Quote: Ruslan67
            So don't promise

            I agree. Nevertheless, the topic is not mine
    2. FOX.
      FOX. 25 June 2013 11: 37
      0
      Quote: Normal
      To the author plus.

      Who else would expect from you !? MINUS, and huge !!!
      1. experienced
        25 June 2013 12: 06
        0
        Quote: FOX.
        MINUS, and huge !!!

        Thank you for not staying away hi
        1. FOX.
          FOX. 25 June 2013 12: 32
          0
          Quote: seasoned
          Thank you for not staying away

          To your health!
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 25 June 2013 13: 33
            -1
            You’ve been banned, dear
            1. FOX.
              FOX. 25 June 2013 13: 51
              +1
              Quote: Pimply
              You’ve been banned, dear

              Apparently the rumors about my "death" were too exaggerated! Are you shocked by my presence on the site?
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 25 June 2013 14: 00
                -4
                Well, this is temporary.
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            3. Mairos
              Mairos 25 June 2013 13: 51
              +2
              You won’t wait! smile
      2. Normal
        Normal 25 June 2013 16: 56
        +1
        Quote: FOX.
        Who else would expect from you !?

        What do you mean? Explain yourself, sir. Do you have any complaints to me? Are we talking about the article or are we getting personal?
        1. experienced
          25 June 2013 16: 59
          +2
          Quote: Normal
          What do you mean? Explain yourself, sir. Do you have any complaints to me? Are we talking about the article or are we getting personal?

          Vladimir, do not pay attention hi I had enough of the fact that he was calling Pimpled Zhenechka, I wouldn’t shake his hand after that negative
          Let the fool
          1. FOX.
            FOX. 25 June 2013 20: 16
            0
            Quote: seasoned
            I wouldn’t shake his hand after that

            Do you seriously think that after your opus today you can say hello to you ??? Do not be fooled ...
            And with pimply I will treat as he deserves, as, however, with you. bully
        2. FOX.
          FOX. 25 June 2013 20: 13
          +2
          Quote: Normal
          Explain yourself, sir.

          I apologize! Nothing personal - just emotions in a hurry. hi
          1. Normal
            Normal 25 June 2013 21: 58
            +3
            Quote: FOX.
            I apologize!

            Accepted.

            Quote: FOX.
            Nothing personal - just emotions in a hurry.

            Sometimes ...
  • Denis
    Denis 25 June 2013 06: 39
    +9
    Are you bothered by the idea that gay issues concern you much more than I have mentioned?
    Their problems don’t bother me at all — the problems of the blacks of the sheriff don’t bother
    rearmament of our Army and Navy, the condition of the armies of other countries
    This is exciting, but they can only be resolved in a complex. With the collapse and mess in the leadership and in the Armed Forces, there is no order
    overt Nazism;
    And here it wouldn’t slip into the gloomy 90s, when the media stamped the label of Nazism on healthy nationalism!
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 25 June 2013 06: 51
      +9
      Quote: Denis
      overt Nazism;
      And here it wouldn’t slip into the gloomy 90s, when the media stamped the label of Nazism on healthy nationalism!

      With this, everything is simple. When you stand FOR your nation, it is healthy nationalism. And when you scold [y * ides, x * okhlov, m * grins, etc. - enter _______________] just for the reason that mother gave birth to them like that, it is Nazism.
      1. Denis
        Denis 25 June 2013 08: 05
        +5
        Quote: Nagan
        When you stand for your nation, it's healthy nationalism
        Echo of Moscow, and many others don’t think so. They have it when for Russia ... (a lot of dirty labels)
        Or are they for their own, that's just for what kind of nation to fight like that?
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 25 June 2013 10: 19
          +2
          There is nothing wrong with nationalism at all. They just confuse him with Nazism. And when in Ukraine they try to make some Ukrainians out of Russians, or in some "liberated from Soviet occupation" territory (the country is not applicable) they are forced to leave, then this is Nazism and such problems need to be solved by brute and ruthless force.
          1. FOX.
            FOX. 25 June 2013 12: 00
            +5
            Quote: Avenger711
            it is Nazism and such problems must be solved by brute and ruthless force.

            Here it is - blue extremism in action, "beat everyone around mercilessly, only you can't touch the doves." So where is your tolerance and philanthropy, which you so ardently tried to defend yesterday? Or are all those who shy away from the "gays" like the plague are not people? No.
        2. FOX.
          FOX. 25 June 2013 11: 52
          +2
          Quote: Denis
          Or are they for their own, that's just for what kind of nation to fight like that?

          HA!!! Tell you, or do you recall the name of this God-chosen and oppressed people? laughing
      2. matross
        matross 25 June 2013 12: 32
        +3
        Quote: Nagan
        When you stand FOR your nation, it is healthy nationalism. And when you scold [y * ides, x * okhlov, m * grins, etc. - enter _______________] just for the reason that mother gave birth to them like that, it is Nazism.

        That's right. But I would very much like for us to have a NATION for all of us - the Russians (the term has been compromised, but it is impossible to come up with another). And there are many NATIONALITIES in our country. By the way, by analogy with the country that we all don’t like and whose flag you are flying. And if someone does not feel like a RUSSIAN, but has a Russian passport, he can’t be offended that they poke him with his nose and say that the Nazis are around!
        Thus, I will summarize: all citizens of Russia are primarily Russians, and only then Russians, Jews, Chechens, etc. Who considers this statement controversial is not our patriot multinational homeland!
    2. FOX.
      FOX. 25 June 2013 11: 49
      +2
      Quote: Denis
      And here it wouldn’t slip into the gloomy 90s, when the media stamped the label of Nazism on healthy nationalism!

      "+" !!! drinks
  • Vanek
    Vanek 25 June 2013 06: 41
    23
    Is it time to declare ignore this infection?

    Ignoring? That is, offer to endure? That is to be tolerant?

    In Europe, tolerance. In Europe, 3,14derasts are more and more.

    Ignore?

    Hello to everyone hi
    1. Very old
      Very old 25 June 2013 07: 01
      12
      Ignore, endure - NO. They earned money on edge, gnawing at the topic. Do not discuss on a military site? And the military is concerned, the army as the largest family should say their word. Vanka-Vanyok +++
    2. experienced
      25 June 2013 11: 06
      +1
      Quote: Vanek
      Ignoring? That is, offer to endure? That is to be tolerant?

      I suggest less mention in the comments about this. hi
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 25 June 2013 11: 23
        +8
        Quote: seasoned
        mention in comments


        Relevant topic - relevant comments. In the topic of "them", we are talking about "them". In the subject of a sunken container ship, we are talking about a container ship. In the topic of the superiority of our helicopters, we are talking about ... the superiority of our helicopters.

        The problem of homosexuals in Russia is the same problem as, say, medicine, education, transportation ... NO! I do not put the problem of homosexuality on a par with medicine. Nevertheless, this is a problem. And I don’t seem to ignore it, ignore it.

        If there is a problem, you need to look for a solution. But do not ignore it.

        Alex. hi
        1. experienced
          25 June 2013 12: 10
          0
          Quote: Vanek
          In the topic of "them", we are talking about "them". In the subject of a sunken container ship, we are talking about a container ship. In the topic of the superiority of our helicopters, we are talking about ... the superiority of our helicopters.

          If it were so, I would be happy, but in any topic forum users often say "about them" hi
          Quote: Vanek
          The problem of homosexuals in Russia is the same problem as, say, medicine, education, transportation ... NO! I do not put the problem of homosexuality on a par with medicine. Nevertheless, this is a problem. And I don’t seem to ignore it, ignore it.
          If there is a problem, you need to look for a solution. But do not ignore it.

          Let us once again recall which site we are on and acknowledge that medical problems can only be discussed here in terms of hospitals. Can we discuss what we like, and not everything that the little finger wanted on the right hand?
    3. Joker
      Joker 25 June 2013 13: 30
      +4
      Ignoring? That is, offer to endure? That is to be tolerant?

      Ivan, what has changed after the article about gays appeared on the site yesterday? Everyone sat on the stoves, and sit, is not it? So there is no point in these articles.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 25 June 2013 06: 43
    +3
    Is logical. Article 100500 pluses.
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 25 June 2013 06: 50
    +7
    I don’t know about gays, I haven’t read any forum articles. But it is absolutely impossible to defend your point of view on the site. The division into friends and foes is instantaneous (thoughtless). Hurray-partisotism of some, the nationalism of others often interfere with understanding the truth. At times, there are perfectly justified disputes and interesting polemics, BUT one of the disputants is very quickly reduced to being deprived of the right to vote. I would like the members of the forum to be more educated and patient with their apponents (and the children would sit on the "Murzilka" website)
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 25 June 2013 08: 10
      +2
      Quote: Marconi41
      BUT one of the debaters very quickly zealous to deprivation of the right to vote.

      Something I don’t remember, someone was kicked to death for a dispute in one of the questions. But there are individuals who argue everywhere and for any reason, just to argue, denying even obvious truths, such, of course, fall very quickly.
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 25 June 2013 08: 17
        +4
        Quote: Vladimirets
        so that someone is kicked to death for an argument in one of the questions.

        This author probably means sneka, so he didn’t argue, but drove some blue wave, well, he ran into the righteous anger of the honorable natural public !!!!
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        2. Rumata
          Rumata 25 June 2013 14: 19
          +3
          Quote: avant-garde
          This author probably means sneka, so he didn’t argue, but drove some blue wave, well, he ran into the righteous anger of the honorable natural public !!!!

          His comments were the most balanced and neutral on the whole topic. But since he did not join the main biomass shouting "for a stake", "fill the anus with lead", "sew up the ass", etc., he got a bunch of disadvantages. By the way, this characterizes very well where VO has slipped over the past year ...

          The problem with the site is not the article, but the commentators. There are a couple of topics, such as Hell and Israel, Gays, European tolerance, etc., on which dozens of inadequacies flock. The funny thing is that even when the topic under discussion has nothing to do with gays, there are those who will reduce everything to this.
          At VO there are generals and higher, in whom you will hardly find comments at least somehow related to VO, one endless fray on the same topics.
          1. experienced
            25 June 2013 14: 23
            +2
            Quote: Rumata
            The problem with the site is not the article, but the commentators.

            Thank you for understanding the essence of the problem. hi
            Quote: Rumata
            There are a couple of topics, such as Hell and Israel, Gays, European tolerance, etc., on which dozens of inadequacies flock. The funny thing is that even when the topic under discussion is not related to gays, there are those who will reduce this to everything.

            It is even more striking when you see that a member of the forum "ogreb" cons not for the content of the comment, but for the provider's flag. hi
            Quote: Rumata
            At VO there are generals and higher, in whom you will hardly find comments at least somehow related to VO, one endless fray on the same topics.

            hi
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 25 June 2013 14: 32
              0
              Quote: seasoned
              It is even more striking when you see that a forum member "ogreb" cons not for the content of the comment, but for the provider's flag

              My record is -80 for an emoticon like this - bully
              1. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 25 June 2013 19: 23
                +2
                Quote: Rumata
                My record is -80 for an emoticon like this -

                Not, well, if you stick it to, for example, a photo collection with shot and tortured children in the Second World War, then you can get so much.
          2. Semurg
            Semurg 25 June 2013 20: 59
            +3
            Quote: Rumata
            Quote: avant-garde
            This author probably means sneka, so he didn’t argue, but drove some blue wave, well, he ran into the righteous anger of the honorable natural public !!!!

            His comments were the most balanced and neutral on the whole topic. But since he did not join the main biomass shouting "for a stake", "fill the anus with lead", "sew up the ass", etc., he got a bunch of disadvantages. By the way, this characterizes very well where VO has slipped over the past year ...

            The problem with the site is not the article, but the commentators. There are a couple of topics, such as Hell and Israel, Gays, European tolerance, etc., on which dozens of inadequacies flock. The funny thing is that even when the topic under discussion has nothing to do with gays, there are those who will reduce everything to this.
            At VO there are generals and higher, in whom you will hardly find comments at least somehow related to VO, one endless fray on the same topics.

            When reading comments I always read the comments more carefully with minuses, it’s interesting for me to understand why they are minus, often your fellow tribesmen fall under the minuses, although often they come across faithful and balanced comments. It is interesting that many Russian-speakers left for Germany, but here they are almost not on the site, unlike you, why do you think? (Sorry for the off-topic question, I started to watch VO after Kazakhstan started talking about an alliance with Russia) On the topic, if the stars are lit, then someone needs it, and forum users can either participate in it or ignore it.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 25 June 2013 12: 57
      +3
      Quote: Marconi41
      one of the debaters is very quickly zipped up to the deprivation of the right to vote.

      Most often this happens when only bare slogans and accusations of avoiding the topic go in stripe. IMHO the opinion can be ANY, the only requirement is that it be reasoned. Then it’s precisely POLEMICA (i.e. exchange of views). And the bare slogans that in any newspaper that is full on the fence
    3. elenagromova
      elenagromova 25 June 2013 15: 30
      +5
      Your point of view can and should be defended at all times, on all sites and not only on sites. Regardless of the minuses, pros, etc.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 25 June 2013 15: 34
        -1
        Yeah. Argumentally uphold.
  • fenix57
    fenix57 25 June 2013 06: 50
    +5
    Hello! To the author, -The propaganda of the 3,14ndosovsky movement is a challenge to the West from Russia ... I advise you to ignore ...
    1. experienced
      25 June 2013 11: 09
      0
      Quote: fenix57
      Propaganda 3,14ndosovsky the movement is a challenge to Russia from the West ... Advise to ignore ...

      I am against the propaganda of the American movement, if your post was written with grammatical errors and you had in mind a different movement, then I am against its frequent mention on the site "VO" hi
  • Igarr
    Igarr 25 June 2013 06: 51
    11
    Well, if only members of the Writers' Union were present here at the forum, then three-quarters of the problems could have been removed - illiteracy, mate ...
    But ...
    ordinary human people here, common people - to the extent of understanding.
    Good note.
    But, here Alexey writes - did not read that article. About assholes. I didn’t read it either - it’s not interesting. I didn’t even count the number of comments, because I know that there will be many.
    This is my decision.
    Anyone else has mercy.
    1. experienced
      25 June 2013 11: 12
      +4
      Quote: Igarr
      Well, if only members of the Writers' Union were present here at the forum, then three-quarters of the problems could have been removed - illiteracy, mate ...
      But ...

      Igor, it’s not necessary to be a writer (they swear too), just before clicking on the add comment button to look at it again ... Sometimes such pearls give out that the computer translator is resting laughing
  • George
    George 25 June 2013 06: 55
    17
    Hello all.
    Honestly, I didn’t read yesterday’s article either.
    It is clear and so what is the reaction of members of the forum.
    But I do not understand the reaction: "You say something a lot about this! You are not one of these by chance?"
    Funny.
    Alexei, you yourself wrote that we are discussing political issues as well, and take a look at today's Duma - they are already there.
    And I apologize for the jargon, it’s a bad thing for me to steer these same ones. They will begin to push their attitudes to the masses in such a way (look at the geyropa, where they already start teaching children in schools what they don’t need), and I have two sons.
    1. experienced
      25 June 2013 11: 16
      +4
      Quote: GEORGE
      Alexei, you yourself wrote that we are discussing political issues as well, and take a look at today's Duma - they are already there.
      And I apologize for the jargon, it’s a bad thing for me to steer these same ones. They will begin to push their attitudes to the masses in such a way (look at the geyropa, where they already start teaching children in schools what they don’t need), and I have two sons.

      Yuri, I also have children and I was not ashamed to bring them to my workplace, and there were quite a few of them, knowing that there was a normal situation there. I don’t give them links to the site today, my father will say it’s not "IN", but don’t understand that ... and they will be right. With my essay on a free topic, I tried to reach out to members of the forum with one thought, "It's not clean where they clean, but where they don't litter" hi
      1. FOX.
        FOX. 25 June 2013 12: 16
        +5
        Quote: seasoned
        "Cleanly, not where they clean, but where they don't litter"

        And you suggest not to notice the "garbage" that is already there? Isn't it worth it to sweep out all the litter first, and then "don't litter"?
        1. experienced
          25 June 2013 12: 28
          0
          Quote: FOX.
          And you suggest not to notice the "garbage" that is already there? Isn't it worth it to sweep out all the litter first, and then "don't litter"?

          I see that in the process of garbage collection it becomes only more. No matter how he fills us at all recourse
          1. FOX.
            FOX. 25 June 2013 12: 44
            +4
            Quote: seasoned
            in the process of garbage collection it becomes only more. No matter how he fills us at all

            And you just found a solution - just not notice it !!?
            Well, very "wise". How a small child closes his eyes with his hands and believes that if he does not see others, then he himself is not visible! CONGRATULATIONS, a wonderful solution to the problem, and most importantly - UNIVERSAL.
      2. George
        George 25 June 2013 12: 31
        +9
        Willingly accept your point of view Alexey, in your arguments there is a grain of truth. But here's the thing: should we pay attention to this problem only when homosexuals lay condoms on the plates of the memorial? Well, in the sense then it will be in the format of the site? Just don’t take my post, please, for scoffing and sarcasm, but the fish rots from the head (I don’t know where you work, but I, the machine tool carpenter, didn’t have to meet these same ones at the places of my work), all this infection is rushing from progressive and creative layers (gaskets, sorry, could not resist) of our society.
        I support that in order not to wash, you need to get dirty less, but a person stubbornly standing and not responding to the stream of dirt pouring on him risks simply drowning in shit. You do not give your children links to the site, and what do you think, by hiding information from children you will fence them off from this when gay men parade through the streets? You won’t hide forever. We must not be silent, but fight, and actively, otherwise you may find yourself in a different role, and in a different position.
        I hope I did not bore you with my tales.
        Regarding the rest of your offers with both hands FOR!
        1. experienced
          25 June 2013 12: 44
          +2
          Quote: GEORGE
          Do you need to pay attention to this problem only when homosexuals lay condoms on the plates of the memorial?

          It is always necessary to pay attention to the problem, but to put it in the comments in my opinion is necessary only in articles and news relevant to the topic hi
          Quote: GEORGE
          (I don’t know where you work, but I, the joiner-machine operator, also did not have to meet these same ones at the places of my work),

          He faced both in the army and when he worked in film production. He didn’t shake hands, but he talked and, moreover, he was surprised when one actor "Menshist" was against the gay pride parade, he said like now these ... dickhead ... I, and tomorrow we will all be lifted up indiscriminately.
          Quote: GEORGE
          You do not give your children links to the site, and what do you think, by hiding information from children you will fence them off from this when gay men parade through the streets?

          I have children: one will soon make a grandfather, and the second will finish school ... In other forums where they read zaregen, but there are mostly cars, I don’t give links to this hi
          1. George
            George 25 June 2013 22: 36
            +4
            Aleksey, we can correspond for a long time, but with your permission I’ll summarize. I sincerely support you in your endeavor to make the site cleaner and better, but still the topic is important, I think you will agree with that. Further, regarding a separate topic - here on the site I think there will never appear a separate section dedicated to homosexuals, but it’s not needed, because this news is spontaneous, kickboxer is a vandal, gay men with prezami on the memorial, and God’s glory doesn’t appear every day, but not even that important, you look Consider the reaction of people. I believe that the participation of our fellow citizens in the discussion of this kind of news is quite an adequate reaction to the current state of emergency in the country.
            Quote: seasoned

            I have children: one will soon make a grandfather, and the second will finish school ... In other forums where they read zaregen, but there are mostly cars, I don’t give links to this hi

            You see the older ones, my jerks still, the youngest is only a year and nine years old, but about
            one soon grandfather will do
            :
            When my first-born was born, Dad said:
            "Ehh, God bless him that he became a grandfather, but that's what to sleep with grandma now, yes!"
            drinks hi
  • Penachet
    Penachet 25 June 2013 07: 02
    +1
    I agree on all points. + Letter.
  • Hleb
    Hleb 25 June 2013 07: 06
    +7
    You can’t ignore this topic, because we see what is happening in the world, in the same Europe. And with us this is already happening on TV screens. Like the majority of forum users, I treat this infection mildly negatively, but ... I personally grew up in an environment where the word p.i.d.a.s.a.s was the height of the insult, for which people threw knives. Yes, many do not like the way that same snake tried to convey to many the position of gays in life, but he did not insult anyone. He expressed his opinion about the origin of this infection — genetic pathology, or a consequence of propaganda. He is sympathetic to their statements on an equal treatment of himself. Well, you can ignore it, it’s got enough minuses .but he openly said that he did not belong to them. In response to the website, they all told him that he was p.i.d.a.s.
    I think it is necessary or introduce into the site’s rules inadmissibility of gay excusesor delete such comments, or if, nevertheless, a person has the right to an opinion, do not allow such insults (p.p.d.a.r.a.s) in principle on the site
    1. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 25 June 2013 07: 31
      +4
      I have written more than once in such comments, the word pederast, when spelled correctly, is the most correct word for people making same-sex love, I barely wrote this phrase. Why the Duma when adopting the law did not use this word (bugger) is not clear manifestation of tolerance? As for tactful, respectful communication, I fully support it. It happens that you read the comments and wonder where so many hatred of my compatriots towards their compatriots comes from.
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 25 June 2013 07: 14
    11
    Alexey (experienced nickname), It does not seem to you that you yourself are now indirectly, or perhaps directly provoking the forum users, with your article for another three hundred angry comments in favor of these wretched farts !!!! I will personally spread rot in the forefront am !!!!
    1. KuigoroZHIK
      KuigoroZHIK 25 June 2013 09: 06
      +2
      Quote: avant-garde
      I personally will be in the forefront

      that’s why you have a nickname — the avant-garde — to go in the forefront!
      I sincerely share your position.
    2. experienced
      25 June 2013 11: 21
      +1
      Quote: avant-garde
      It does not seem to you that you yourself are now indirectly, or perhaps directly provoking the forum users, with your article for another three hundred angry comments in favor of these wretched farts !!!! I personally will be in the forefront of their spread rot !!!!

      Alexander, you want to beat them - the flag is in your hands. Let them write another 330, 1000, 1 000 000 comments, but do not scatter this infection in ALL topics on the site !!!!
      I like to spread rot gays go and beat them on the streets when they try to hold their miserable parades and pickets, and not here "clavu mattsat" hi
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 25 June 2013 11: 35
        +4
        Alex, good day.
        God saved me and I live in Omsk, and not in Moscow, they don’t go in parades here, because they know that they hate them just like 99,999999999999% (the remaining percentage is in Omsk and it’s stupid to deny it) the male population of the city and Understand that take off if they come out.
        Yesterday my posts were as follows:
        Vanguard Yesterday, 09:25 | MP invented punishment for gays

        Quote: snek
        It’s like his business (well, and also of the one with whom he does it in the first two cases)
        ___________________
        It’s not good to go with their parades, let them sit in a quiet place and poke each other. And since people are enraged with parades, the answer is harsh from normal people!
        1. experienced
          25 June 2013 12: 14
          +1
          Quote: avant-garde
          God saved me and I live in Omsk, and not in Moscow, here they don’t go in parades,

          I visited you in Omsk, a very beautiful city. hi
          Quote: avant-garde
          Understand that take off if they come out.

          They are beaten throughout Russia and the CIS countries (Georgia, Ukraine). Why move the war to the site?
          Let's not touch someone else's ... oh, so that the stink site is not wink
  • the polar
    the polar 25 June 2013 07: 18
    +7
    On one forum, the problem can be solved, ignore the topic, and all. And in the general information space, everything will remain as before. Because there is an information war to destroy the moral and moral foundations of our society, Russian culture and traditions, it is directed primarily against the younger generation.

    Now the initiative in this war is entirely in the hands of the enemy. He chooses topics, sets the tone for the discussion and attacks on a broad front, because all the media, the entire information space of Russia is in the hands of the "fifth column", it controls, shapes and directs information flows, distorting and distorting our history, destroying and destroying moral and ethical principles that hold our society and the Russian nation together, the foundation of the state.

    The solution, as in any war, is only one thing to wrest the initiative from the hands of the enemy and beat him in the information field, until complete victory. It must be understood and understood that this is not a special case, that this is a real war and the ultimate goal of the enemy; the destruction of Russia as a state and the destruction of the Russian people, turning it into a herd of forced cattle.
    And we have no other choice but to defeat and destroy the enemy in the information field, to cleanse and defend the consciousness of the people from liberal rot and animal morality of consumerism, to preserve Russian culture and the system of moral values, as the basis of a healthy society.

    So make a choice, what should be the tactics and strategy of information communication, even on one small forum.
    1. experienced
      25 June 2013 11: 23
      +3
      Quote: Polar
      On one forum, the problem can be solved, ignore the topic, and all. And in the general information space everything will remain as before

      Let’s put things in order on at least one site, I remember the times when this rubbish was not here, sometimes they joked, but it IS SOMETIMES. hi
      1. the polar
        the polar 25 June 2013 12: 08
        +3
        Quote: seasoned
        Quote: Polar
        On one forum, the problem can be solved, ignore the topic, and all. And in the general information space everything will remain as before

        Let’s put things in order on at least one site, I remember the times when this rubbish was not here, sometimes they joked, but it IS SOMETIMES. hi

        You cannot, sitting in your "trench" and decorating it with patriotic slogans, call yourself a fighter and a patriot and convince others of this. The people won't believe it.
        1. experienced
          25 June 2013 12: 30
          0
          Quote: Polar
          You cannot, sitting in your "trench" and decorating it with patriotic slogans, call yourself a fighter and a patriot and convince others of this. The people won't believe it.

          If you now go out into the street and open a trench, then at best you will be mistaken for a madman. Trenches are needed where there is a threat, until recently there was no threat from gays on the VO website hi
      2. MG42
        MG42 25 June 2013 12: 20
        +4
        Quote: seasoned
        I remember the times when this rubbish was not here, sometimes they joked, but it IS SOMETIMES.

        so what happened since that time, why was it banned? You have registered under the nickname "experienced" for a couple of weeks and are already building everyone here.
        1. experienced
          25 June 2013 12: 33
          0
          Quote: MG42
          so what happened since that time, why was it banned? You have registered under the nickname "experienced" for a couple of weeks and are already building everyone here.

          Let's not stir up the past, who have long known me on the site. They were banned and repeatedly for my nonsense, well, what can I do for years, but "tears the roof" ... lol
          And I'm not building anyone, I just propose to switch to a more civilized manner of communication hi
          1. FOX.
            FOX. 25 June 2013 13: 00
            +2
            Quote: seasoned
            just suggest moving to a more civilized manner of communication

            Which ??? The silent approval of the pedeks? Do not mess up, you are our tolerant ...
            1. experienced
              25 June 2013 13: 04
              0
              Quote: FOX.
              Which ??? The silent approval of the pedeks? Do not mess up, you are our tolerant ...

              Something you are fixated on this subject, maybe latent?
              The people discussed and subsided, and you all fight and call laughing
              1. FOX.
                FOX. 25 June 2013 14: 29
                +1
                Quote: seasoned
                maybe latent?

                No, everything is much simpler - worrying about the moral health of his children. And you, apparently, are far from latent, but acting.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 25 June 2013 14: 33
                  -3
                  It’s good that you worry. Take them away from your father - xenophobia, Nazi and anti-Semite - and they will obviously be healthier. That is if you are really worried about their moral health.
                  1. FOX.
                    FOX. 25 June 2013 15: 25
                    +2
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Alienate them from their father - xenophobe, Nazi and anti-Semite

                    A little clarification, WIFE!
                    Their father is HOMOFOB, NATIONALIST and ANTISIONIST.
                    So it will be more correct.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 25 June 2013 15: 35
                      -3
                      More precisely - xenophobe, Nazi and anti-Semite.
                      1. FOX.
                        FOX. 25 June 2013 16: 08
                        +3
                        Quote: Pimply
                        More precisely - xenophobe, Nazi and anti-Semite.

                        From your lips it sounds like a "HERO OF RUSSIA".
                        I will be proud of it, WIFE !!! good
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 25 June 2013 16: 30
                        0
                        Be proud to hate someone? Yeah Indeed, while you are still worried about the moral character of your children. Here it is not necessary to worry, but to sound the alarm.
                      3. FOX.
                        FOX. 25 June 2013 16: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Be proud to hate someone?

                        ???????? You are apparently buggy. Maybe reboot?
                      4. Pimply
                        Pimply 25 June 2013 17: 19
                        -1
                        Fob - from the word phobia, fear, fear. Xenophobia is a fear of strangers. Homophobia is a fear of homosexualists.
                        Anti-Semite is a man who hates Jews.
                        A Nazi is a person with a pronounced ethnic, cultural and religious intolerance towards members of other groups.

                        You are proud that you hate and fear someone. I understand correctly?
          2. experienced
            25 June 2013 14: 44
            0
            Quote: FOX.
            No, everything is much simpler - worrying about the moral health of his children. And you, apparently, are far from latent, but acting.

            And why doesn't this childish "fool himself" surprise me? laughing
            I'm not a boy who is weakly bred winked
  • Alex66
    Alex66 25 June 2013 07: 23
    +8
    We already don’t notice much or ignore it in life, as a child, I remember that any adult could have kicked his ears for a cigarette, prank, and his mother would add, now everything is the opposite, the mother will tear anyone who makes a remark to her child. Changes occur gradually and not for the better. P..m canceled the article, they need little recognition of equality, then they will demand superiority over normal. They don’t have their own children, they need ours, they need to attract young people into their ranks (they don’t get old people to thrill), then they will demand a reduction in the age at which they can get in touch with children. And if you think that this is not related to the defense of the country, then this is a crime, ostrich position. Pi..m and you need everyone to stand in this position, you probably understand what they will do with us later.
  • xorgi
    xorgi 25 June 2013 07: 24
    +1
    I subscribe to every word of the author.
  • Onotollah
    Onotollah 25 June 2013 07: 27
    +3
    Is it time to declare ignore this infection? (C)
    Yes, perhaps, we will sit in our corners and be silent in a rag.
    My hut from the edge, you look and carry.
    1. Onotollah
      Onotollah 25 June 2013 07: 46
      +1
      Quote: Onotolle
      My hut on the edge

      If anything, it was sarcasm.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 25 June 2013 08: 54
      +5
      Quote: Onotolle
      Yes, perhaps, we will sit in our corners and be silent in a rag.
      My hut from the edge, you look and carry.

      With a kind of philosophy it will carry so much that you can’t run to the toilet.
  • nalexx
    nalexx 25 June 2013 07: 33
    0
    Quote: Alex66
    Alex66 RU

    Totally agree
  • fenix57
    fenix57 25 June 2013 07: 34
    +6
    Quote: GEORGE
    And to me, I apologize for the jargon, zapadlo, so that these same


    Quote: Gleb
    you can’t ignore this topic

    That's it, because the advance of 3,14 doralism is a direct threat to the security of Russia, as a country ... we will not talk about statehood. On the one hand, radical Islamism, on the other hand, are the loiniest. It’s time not to talk, you have to beat the bells here! hi
    RUSSIA DOESN'T NEED THIS!
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 25 June 2013 07: 40
      +2
      Mama belay belay belay, what is it??? so maybe hug from what he saw belay
      1. Denis
        Denis 25 June 2013 08: 07
        +4
        Quote: avant-garde
        so maybe hug from what he saw
        Better when not seen
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 June 2013 07: 47
      +9
      Quote: fenix57

      RUSSIA DOESN'T NEED THIS!

      And THIS IT considers itself a civilized person. How his parents feel when they look at their "son" crying
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 25 June 2013 07: 56
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        How do his parents feel when they look at their "son" crying

        Probably dad thinks, and I got on hell with this lesbian? belay I would love the men would not have to blush for their son what wassat
    3. experienced
      25 June 2013 11: 26
      +2
      Quote: fenix57
      . It’s time not to talk, you have to beat the bells here!

      I have not seen gay propaganda in any article of the site "VO" !!!!
      If you want to fight, go to their sites (they probably are). It’s the same as waging a struggle in the rear, when people who do not have wounds and discomfort have it hi
      1. FOX.
        FOX. 25 June 2013 12: 52
        +7
        Quote: seasoned
        Want to fight go to their sites

        Not understood??? For example, I have nothing to do on THEIR sites, but I also don’t want to see these "rear-wheel drive" ones on this resource, so excuse me - I will beat and beat right here, remembering the words of the commander: "FUCK WHERE YOU STAND!"
  • Generalissimus
    Generalissimus 25 June 2013 07: 38
    12
    There is an old joke that appeared after media hysteria about rats in meters, years so in 90's, if I am not mistaken.
    Very short: Rats in the metro .. In the metro .. metro metro .. METRO .. METER RATS !! In the Moscow metro METRO RATS !!

    ----------

    In fact, the joke is short, but it contains all the salt of any propaganda.
    If something is repeated for a long time, then in the mass consciousness this becomes ordinary and, moreover, even with the phenomena that society has rejected before, will eventually begin to coexist with them. Which in the future will necessarily lead to the rooting of these phenomena in public consciousness.

    In fact, this simple, but the cornerstone of agiprop is used to introduce ideas into the mass consciousness, not only on the spread of homosexuality. Systematic, long, painstaking work is underway to reformat the mentality of entire countries.
    Trolls of all stripes, "experts" and "analysts" on any more or less visited resource are not inventions and the result of violent fantasies. It is quite a working agitprop tool, well structured and well thought out.
    Trolls kill those who resist, the "experts" bend their constant propaganda, sustained in the necessary vein.
    ------




    1. dropout
      dropout 25 June 2013 10: 37
      +4
      Quote: Generalissimus
      . Systematic, long, painstaking work is underway to reformat the mentality of entire countries.


      Therefore, we should never forget that the rejection of this evil in principle is one of the lines of the struggle for our identity, for our future.
  • sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 25 June 2013 07: 43
    +4
    This infection (pederastism) must be eradicated without regret, guilt and conscience. This phenomenon is the lowest moral fall of man. Indeed, in almost any program, the film is advertising pederastism. This is becoming fashionable, from the fact that young people are not informed of human values, they cannot distinguish where good is bad. Not the best example, but someone already mentioned about this today: until the crooks and Urkagans were driven into the corner, the pederasts knew their place and society treated them properly. And now, the quote is not accurate, from the series: Oh, gay, our friend will be gay, how great. FU ugliness in its full manifestation. My son is also growing up and I don’t want his pederasts to be friends, I don’t want him to know them from far away, I don’t want him to even hear about them.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 25 June 2013 08: 00
      +4
      It is not for nothing that the topic of LGBT people is exaggerated at the very top, at the level of presidents and prime ministers. The problem here is not who stares whom and how. The problem is deeper. All this outrage is aimed at the destruction of the institution of the family, one of the foundations of our statehood, the self-awareness of our people. This is a kind of weapon against us, our historical roots, traditions. And without it there is no identity of the people, no future. And if you humbly hush up this problem, then in an unexpected way you will find that we have new owners. Cynical, shameless, dictating their will to us, managing not only our wealth, but also our children, our future.
  • Nevsky
    Nevsky 25 June 2013 07: 49
    +2
    LGBT - It is a weapon of the 21st century Do not want to see how our society is changing before our eyes? Please, only then do not be surprised that one fine day the news will be released on military review that homosexuals were allowed to serve in the Russian army. hi

    ExperiencedYou are just like Obama 3 years ago with his pact for the army: "Don't ask, don't tell" It did not help them. From this year, the green light for blue in all areas of society in the United States! laughing
  • Tatanka Yotanka
    Tatanka Yotanka 25 June 2013 07: 53
    +8
    what man walking past a punching bag does not touch her fist, the popularity of this topic is explained, I’ll bend and I am a righteous pendal on these assholes wassat
    1. experienced
      25 June 2013 11: 32
      +2
      Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
      what man walking past a punching bag does not touch her fist, the popularity of this topic is explained, I’ll bend and I am a righteous pendal on these assholes


      Well, yes, there are so many assholes on the VO site? Maybe these assholes for pendals on other sites look? laughing
      "...Today is the best day,
      Today is a battle with fools ... "(c) Time Machine"
      Remember how the song ended winked
      1. Tatanka Yotanka
        Tatanka Yotanka 25 June 2013 15: 45
        +5
        Quote: seasoned
        Well, yes, there are so many assholes on the site "VO"

        I will say as xenophobe
        Here in the articles, a lot of assholes
        And Obama Negroes,
        Erdogans and Pyndos
        If you lead from Europe
        Wherever you poke, everywhere assholes
        for example, place-
        Iskanders at the Borders
        forum users let them judge
        Poland-exactly ass will be
        drinks
        1. experienced
          25 June 2013 15: 47
          +2
          Quote: Tatanka Yotanka

          I will say as xenophobe
          Here in the articles, a lot of assholes
          And Obama Negroes,
          Erdogany and s
          If you lead from Europe
          Wherever you poke, everywhere assholes


          I will answer you fly
          You are an excellent pooper
          Only themes for poems,
          There are besides asses drinks
  • Lyokha79
    Lyokha79 25 June 2013 08: 01
    +6
    The author advises in silence, with Olympic calmness, to ignore this abomination that is creeping around the country. Well, this is his opinion and he has the right to it. But isn’t that the sadomite activists are calling for, isn’t that what they need? They only hear from them that it is not necessary to raise this topic, it is not necessary to incite hatred. Political events and military equipment should be discussed, but the topic of LGBT people and the destructive effect they have on society cannot be ignored. We will remain silent, ignore and do not have time to look around as the blue columns walk in parades around our cities, and you and I will be divided into a N1 parent and a N2 parent.
    1. experienced
      25 June 2013 11: 35
      +2
      Quote: Lyokha79
      The author advises silently, with Olympic calmness, to ignore this abomination that is creeping around the country

      I tried to convey to the members of the forum the idea that if there is a lot of crap somewhere ... well, then you should not carry it to your house. It will only get worse hi
      Quote: Lyokha79
      But isn’t that the sadomite activists are calling for, isn’t that what they need? They only hear from them that it is not necessary to raise this topic, it is not necessary to incite hatred.

      Are these activists calling on the VO website? Wherever you see these activists, beat them there, otherwise it will turn out like in the joke "Suddenly there is a war, and I am tired" smile
  • Andrey from Tver
    Andrey from Tver 25 June 2013 08: 03
    12
    The topic of homosexuality, if you think about it, is no less political than the local skirmishes of Israel with its neighbors.
    Here, for example, cases of direct opposition to power by homosexuals:
    In June 1969, New York police raided duty-free places where drugs and alcohol were illegally sold. Such places, as a rule, included most of the bars of homosexuals. In a bar in the Greenwich Village district, police officers arrested bar employees and several homosexuals who tried to stand up for crooks for selling alcohol without a license. Soon, however, the police were expelled from the bar by a crowd of 400 quickly assembled homosexuals. By morning, the entire area was covered with barricades, in which thousands of perverts gathered from everywhere were preparing to repel the attacks of the authorities. For three days they kept the district in their power. None of the law enforcement agencies dared to storm the barricades. This incident was the first combat victory for homosexuals in the United States. http://pomnimvse.com/296pb.html
    In Russia: By the fall of 1933, according to OGPU, in the USSR, numerous organizations of "sexual perverts" were identified that have, among other things, a political focus. The creation of a network of salons, centers, dens, groups and other organized formations by homosexuals led to the fact that “the pederastists’s asset, using the caste isolation of pederastic circles for directly counter-revolutionary purposes, politically decomposed various social strata of the youth, in particular, working youth, and also tried to penetrate into the army and navy. ”
    I. Stalin’s resolution: “It is necessary to punish the bastards approximately, and introduce the corresponding governing decree into the legislation.” The law was adopted after the decision of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks. For sodomy, they were sentenced to 5 years, for coercion to sodomy - to 8 years. (ibid.)
    Granting “freedoms” to homosexuals, as a rule, testifies to the approaching death of the people and the state. The collapse of national culture is the first and sure sign of an impending catastrophe. The philosopher Seneca, living at the time of the beginning of the decline of Rome, testifies: “I’m not talking about the crowds of unhappy boys who are expected to receive new abuse in the bedroom at the end of the feast ... And in lust, women are not inferior to the other sex: those born to endure, they (so that they destroyed all the gods and goddesses!) have come up with such a perverse kind of debauchery that they themselves sleep with men as men. ” In the liberal West and Russia, the main forces of destruction can be unmistakably called national and homosexual minorities. (ibid.) Read this article, interesting. No vulgarity and obscenities, only facts and conclusions. http://pomnimvse.com/296pb.html
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 25 June 2013 10: 36
      -7
      You yourself do not see idiocy in the written?
      What nafig crowd of homosexuals, the usual mafiosi who were prevented from doing business. And obviously armed, because the police and pissed.

      Well, in the 30s many different laws were invented, both completely logical and devoid of any meaning. Anti-Soviet pederasty, damn it. Honestly, the last thing people think about when they want to shove is about politics. And what the homosexuals of the OGPU disliked to say easily. They did not please with isolation. Which by the way, just proves the absurdity of the so-called. "gay propaganda", because a person is either homosexual or not.

      At that time, in general, any crap was brought down to class unconsciousness and many apparently seriously believed that a thief or a prostitute was the fruit of bourgeois society, and not the strong desire of individual citizens to profit at someone else's expense and that peasants always want to put it, but there is not always an opportunity and women have always used this.
      1. Andrey from Tver
        Andrey from Tver 25 June 2013 13: 46
        0
        I will not argue, just suggest reading and watching
        http://blagin-anton.livejournal.com/214453.html
  • Andrey from Tver
    Andrey from Tver 25 June 2013 08: 17
    13
    Scott Lively exposed in sufficient detail the tactics and strategy of the gay movement in many countries.
    “At first, they focus on the minds of young people. The main idea is sexual freedom, sexual intercourse without limits. And this idea is an enemy of the principle of family life. Initially, they popularize the slogans of free sex among people of a traditional orientation in order to corrupt heterosexuals. And when this idea takes root in society, open homosexuals come next and begin to shift emphasis towards free sexual relations, but already with representatives of the same sex. In Ukraine, they are already setting the stage, ”Lively said.
    Further, the doctor of legal sciences voiced the main myths that speculate gays and sympathizing with them. The first and main myth: homosexuality is an innate quality and it is impossible to get rid of it. “They talk about congenitality to present themselves as victims,” says Scott Lively. The second myth: everyone who opposes homodictatorship is homophobic. They also equate racism and rejection of homosexuality. “It's just a manipulation of public consciousness,” said the American guest.
    “When these two myths take root, gays push laws that prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation.
    Once such a law is adopted in the country, they can achieve anything, it will just be a matter of time. After all, such a law says that you can not oppose homosexuality. And, therefore, it is impossible to oppose everything that the LGBT community is trying to do - gay marriages, their adoption of children. And anyone who opposes homosexuality will be punished, ”says the human rights activist.
    “Gays argue that the only thing they want is tolerance and equality. But that is a lie. In fact, they seek political power. And they won’t stop until they have complete control over the government, ”said Scott Lively, an experienced lawyer and public figure.
    http://protiv-putina.ru/forum/txt/index.php/t7457.html
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 25 June 2013 09: 08
      +8
      Andrey from Tver
      You, for the comments, plus. Here's an example of a well-grounded comment. No mats, stakes, etc.
      Honestly, on the topic of the article, the author, ExperiencedI support. I didn’t read the article about pederasts, an opinion has long been established - sick people who should be silent about their disease. Dristoons, because of diarrhea, do not spread too much.
      The fact that there was an article about sodomy, I think correctly, tk. at least to some extent, she acted as an obstacle to the (open) action of pedo-perverts (both "aunts" and "uncles"). Not to mention the ideological and moral, very POWERFUL, barrier. TABOO even to this subject, outside the circles of psychologists and psychiatrists. There were other moral values ​​... They talked about it a little ... Yes, and what about the sick people, a lot of talking, a lot of illnesses.
      С Experienced I agree - much attention is paid to this. And about ignoring, he (apparently) writes, in terms of the fact that THEME is necessary ... yes, so that, in general, there were no such topics. Oblivion and ...
      Quote: Andrey from Tver
      I. Stalin’s resolution: “It is necessary to punish the bastards approximately, and introduce the corresponding governing decree into the legislation.”

      To you, and experienced hi drinks
      1. experienced
        25 June 2013 11: 38
        +4
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        To you, and experienced

        Anton, thanks hi . You got me right drinks
      2. Andrey from Tver
        Andrey from Tver 25 June 2013 14: 08
        +2
        Anton, thanks for your understanding.
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 25 June 2013 11: 30
      +1
      Apparently the lawyer is better versed in the issue than professional sexologists and can judge what is innate and what is not? Now only one thing is known for sure, homosexuals appear themselves without any propaganda, their communities are closed, it is impossible to change their orientation. Sex-related behavioral algorithms are flashed so deeply that they cannot be changed without crippling. Well, at least what do you do, but the boys will still play war and cars (robots, airplanes) in the yard, on a computer, in the army, and when they grow up, look at the girls.

      The problem is actually different. In the false position that all people are equal, which automatically prohibits any discrimination. As a result, it turns out that everyone except the most healthy and capable members of society, and of society itself, has rights. Pointing to a person about his shortcomings becomes impossible, because almost immediately a violation of rights, no matter whose, women, people with disabilities, blacks, homosexuals.

      In "South Park" on this topic there was a series where El, a homosexual, was kicked out of the boy-scout counselors, because a homosexual cannot hold such a position, and instead they hired a man who turned out to be a pedophile. In the happy ending, Al is offered to take this position again, but he refuses, because, for his part, he admits that the boy scout organization also has the right to establish its own rules, including refusing the position of counselors to persons of unconventional orientation. And it’s this key moment that minority activists refuse to admit that they are feminists, that they are homosexual, that they are negroes, that God knows who else.

      Not so long ago, on a foreign site, I came across a call on a blog of one of the participants to support a petition to protect the rights of homosexuals in Russia who are not allowed to adopt children. Opinions were different, ranging from reasonable ones that it should not be indicated to a sovereign state-house and ending with ordinary demagogy, that if the homoparriage is otherwise normal, then why not trust her children. Indeed, why not entrust defective people with a task that they did not fulfill for a long time and whose consequences are difficult to predict, since parents for a child are the first guidelines in terms of sex-role behavior. To indicate that society has the right to decide, I was predictably called a homophobe. An attempt to discuss with a feminist will follow the same scenario.
      1. Andrey from Tver
        Andrey from Tver 25 June 2013 13: 33
        +1
        Excerpt from the article: http: //communitarian.ru/publikacii/interviu/gomoseksualizm_%97_bolezn_ras
        prostranyaemaya_smi_21042013 /
        Some scientists, in particular, psychiatrist William Byne, already confidently insist that the presence of a correlation between brain anatomy and genetic factors on the one hand, and sexual orientation on the other, does not indicate a causal relationship between these phenomena. Here is what he writes in one of his articles: “All the evidence available so far that homosexuality is due to innate biological traits is untenable. Genetic studies inevitably suffer from the disadvantage that it is usually impossible to separate the influence of biological factors from the influence of the environment, as a result of which all attempts to study the heritability of psychological traits come to a standstill. Neurobiological studies are based on dubious hypotheses about the existence of differences between a man’s brain and a woman’s brain. The biological mechanisms that are proposed as an explanation of male homosexuality are often impossible to generalize to explain the existence of lesbians (which are generally not well understood). The fact that the majority of biological variables are continuous in nature is not consistent with the small number of adult bisexuals, as evidenced by the results of most surveys. ”
        Another specialist who disputes the recognition of homosexuality as a biological innate feature is Charles Socarides, Honorary Member of the American Psychiatric Association. His work on this subject is a classic of psychology. This scientist claims that homosexuality depends mainly on interaction with the environment, and an innate predisposition to this is completely excluded.
        One way or another, but all the evidence currently available that homosexuality is due to biological factors is untenable. No one could prove a person’s innate predisposition to homosexual behavior.
        As for the judgment of the sexologist, which may outweigh the opinion of the lawyer, most likely the lawyer based his opinion on the expert or other opinion of a specialized specialist.
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 25 June 2013 14: 07
        +4
        Avenger, put you for comment +, it is reasoned and in general, in my opinion, is correct. The only thing I do not agree with you:
        Quote: Avenger711
        Now only one thing is known for sure, homosexuals appear themselves without any propaganda, their communities are closed, it is impossible to change their orientation.

        They appeared, appear and will appear, and it is impossible to convert an adult man into a gay, unless he hits his head hard somewhere. But to instill in a child that to be blue is one of the norms, it is very possible. And this is not the norm in any case. And yes, you are right, in the west the rights of all minorities become more right than the rights of most. (Sorry for the tautology and the pun).
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 25 June 2013 14: 16
          -3
          Of course. To instill. Judging by these considerations, there should not be gays at all in patriarchal societies. Or in animals. And there and there. Paradox, right?
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 25 June 2013 16: 12
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            Judging by these considerations, there should not be gays at all in patriarchal societies.

            And where in my reasoning did you see this? Genetic ugliness is not such a rare occurrence.
            Quote: Pimply
            Or in animals.

            It is not necessary to interfere with warm and soft, in animals there are a lot of explanations for this phenomenon, but in general can a person be compared with an animal in this matter?
            A person can easily instill a "tolerant" attitude towards this phenomenon. The fashion for all this abomination has repainted many "creative" personalities.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 25 June 2013 16: 23
              -3
              Abomination, horror, nightmare. And the facts say that gays were, are and will be. And they also say that corruption and drugs, beating women in families and alcoholism are real enemies. Pedophiles raping children, doctors who do not care for the sick, indifferent officials - these are the enemies. And not adults who sleep by mutual agreement with other adults. And I prefer to know who is gay and who is not than the situation when they are hiding.
              1. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 25 June 2013 16: 31
                +3
                Quote: Pimply
                Abomination, horror, nightmare. And the facts say that gays were, are and will be. And they also say that corruption and drugs, beating women in families and alcoholism are real enemies. Pedophiles raping children, doctors who do not care for the sick, indifferent officials - these are the enemies.

                Lost global warming, the fate of young seals in the White Sea and the shallowing of the Aral Sea. Why put everything in a heap? There is a lot of evil in the world and gays are not the greatest.
                Quote: Pimply
                And I prefer to know who is gay and who is not, than the situation when they are hiding.

                Maybe we’ll do something on our back or a special dressing? wink
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 25 June 2013 16: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: Vladimirets
                  Maybe we’ll do something on our back or a special dressing?

                  Yeah, and also mark the engineers, lovers of blondes and sadomasos, as well as cyclists. 8)
                  1. Vladimirets
                    Vladimirets 25 June 2013 16: 37
                    +4
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Yeah, and also mark the engineers, lovers of blondes and sadomasos, as well as cyclists.

                    Cyclists in the first place.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 25 June 2013 16: 38
                      0
                      Right They inspire me with suspicion.
                  2. Denis
                    Denis 25 June 2013 20: 53
                    +4
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Yeah, and we’ll also mention engineers, lovers of blondes and sadomasos, as well as cyclists
                    Exaggerate, this only helps
                    Prohibit, "mark-not about this. Let them hug and poke, but not at parades. They are disgusting, first of all, by aggressive advertising of their only correct way of life. This is what must be stopped.
                    Was in the USSR the 121st article of the Criminal Code for homosexuals, how many sat on it? And the places are not at all secret, where the fagots were gathered and their citizens used to chase, but not the authorities. The truth is, these parties were quieter, without flags, processions and various parades
                    1. Avenger711
                      Avenger711 26 June 2013 01: 00
                      0
                      Imagine that you are a Soviet policeman, you caught a gay in a place where gays gather, let everyone know about it, but he says that just with a friend here and generally girls are discussed and there are those who confirm this. Will you check his ass? This already resembles a joke:

                      - Stirlitz, how do you explain that fingerprints were found on Eva Braun’s ass?
                      “I’ll explain it, but how do you explain how you found them there?”

                      So catch him for a member in the ass, then say, and without it, your law in a normal state is just a piece of paper, unfit even to wipe it.

                      In the USSR, in general, he did not work practically.
                      1. Denis
                        Denis 26 June 2013 11: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: Avenger711
                        In the USSR, in general, he practically did not work
                        Everything works as needed
                        Imagine that you are a Soviet policeman, you caught a gay in a place where gays gather, let everyone know about it, but he says that just with a friend here and generally girls are discussed and there are those who confirm this.
                        Because they did not touch, disgusting and nafig not needed
                        And no matter how much time it took to determine all this passed for the lattice
                        if you wanted not just to hold a parade, just hung a rainbow flag?
                        So for that there was an article, so that silently, without parades, poked
                2. Avenger711
                  Avenger711 26 June 2013 00: 51
                  0
                  This we have already passed, in the end I had to go to Berlin in tanks. So be careful in desires, sometimes they come true.
            2. Rumata
              Rumata 25 June 2013 17: 11
              -3
              Quote: Vladimirets
              It is not necessary to interfere with warm and soft, in animals there are a lot of explanations for this phenomenon, but in general can a person be compared with an animal in this matter?

              Why not? People, as it were, are also animals, a family of hominids, a detachment of primates. We were primates, primates and remain (the more common term is apes). Why it is possible to compare people with other animals in terms of conditioned reflexes, caring for offspring, the "herd" instinct, a sense of self-preservation, but in another it is impossible. Why is the percentage of "gay" among zoo monkeys about the same as the average for humans (1.5-3.5%)? Yes, because there is a certain chance you will be born to them or not. But why such a fuss about this in the Russian Federation, lately, is a question from a completely different opera.
              1. Papakiko
                Papakiko 25 June 2013 19: 03
                0
                Quote: Rumata
                Why it is possible to compare people with other animals in terms of conditioned reflexes, caring for offspring, the "herd" instinct, a sense of self-preservation, but in another it is impossible. Why is the percentage of "gay" among zoo monkeys about the same as the average for humans (1.5-3.5%)? Yes, because there is a certain chance you will be born to them or not.

                Let you sir back to the palm with which you got down.
                At the core of your statement, Homo sapiens is from the level of primates.
                Only you deliberately forget that primates live in a society of an obscene Monarchy, where the leader HAS all females and sometimes weak males (probably a reward for especially rebellious ones), so the rest of the males either have to have time to quickly "walk around" the females and then take their legs away from the leader and monogamy is not present in all species.
                1. Rumata
                  Rumata 25 June 2013 21: 32
                  -2
                  Quote: Papakiko
                  At the core of your statement, Homo sapiens is from the level of primates.

                  What exactly is the problem I do not understand? YES Homo sapiens is a primate, just a very smart primate.
                  Quote: Papakiko
                  Monarchies, where the leader HAS all females and sometimes weak males (probably a reward for especially rebellious)

                  = \ And here is the monarchy. Among primates, the most common are M + F bonds, in rare cases, something happens and everything turns upside down. Do monkeys also have gay parades? All this noise is made up and bloated. If you leave homosexuals, lesbians, transgender people and others alone, they will calm down. After watching the Russian media, one gets the impression that gays are the main problem in the country and all the troubles from them.
              2. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 25 June 2013 19: 16
                +1
                Quote: Rumata
                Why it is possible to compare people with other animals in terms of conditioned reflexes, caring for offspring, the "herd" instinct, a sense of self-preservation, but in another it is impossible.

                Something you dear shoved everything nepihivaemy here. And here are conditioned reflexes? Caring for offspring is an instinct, and not all animals developed it (or did you have a breeding instinct?). The sense of self-preservation is also an instinct, although it is unconditional for animals, for a person there are many options.
                Quote: Rumata
                Why is the percentage of "gay" among zoo monkeys about the same as the average for humans (1.5-3.5%)?

                Where did you get such accurate percentages of gay monkeys? In monkeys, such relationships are characteristic of males who lack females and, if there are free females, the male will not pester another male. smile Since you drag animals in, let's remember that an ermine male mates with his blind cubs, females, and this is in the order of things, can we transfer practice to people and justify pedophiles, pah, God forgive me?
                1. Rumata
                  Rumata 25 June 2013 21: 52
                  -5
                  Quote: Vladimirets
                  Something you dear shoved everything nepihivaemy here. And here are conditioned reflexes? Caring for offspring is an instinct, and not all animals developed it (or did you have a breeding instinct?). The sense of self-preservation is also an instinct, although it is unconditional for animals, for a person there are many options.

                  Went offtopic, but I’ll explain.
                  We are an integral part of the animal world, and work according to the same schemes. If the deviation in the genome of humans and chimpanzees is only 2%, and, for example, homosexuality is associated with genetics or epigenetics, then there is a very good chance that its causes are the same for two species of primates.
                  I'll give you a small example. A gene responsible for the maternal instinct has been found for quite some time. In the beginning, it was found in mice, after its "shutdown" the mother stopped caring for the mice. They sequenced this gene, compared it with the human genome and found almost the same in humans. Of course, one cannot experiment on people (by the way, for the same reason, they did not find the cause of homosexuality, no one will allow serious experiments), but 99% can be sure that in people these genes are also responsible for. There are a lot of such examples. All behavioral instincts developed long before the appearance of the first people, and there were deviations in them even then.
                  Quote: Vladimirets
                  where do you get such accurate percentages of gay monkeys?

                  There has been a series of studies on this subject. If you want, I can search for the name.
                  Quote: Vladimirets
                  In monkeys, such relationships are characteristic of males who lack females and, if there are free females, the male will not pester another male.

                  All species of animals have such males, and no matter how many females there are. It is one thing when an ermine has something in the order of things, and quite another when a herd of 1000 horses has 2-3, which clearly differ in their behavior from the rest.

                  I am sure that you can be born gay, you cannot become gay from "oversaturation of pleasures", as someone wrote above. Therefore, all the fuss is not about anything, and people are redirected from real problems to all these invented ones. When 98% of the population hates 2% fiercely, it's always good for the top.
                  1. Papakiko
                    Papakiko 25 June 2013 23: 04
                    +1
                    Quote: Rumata
                    There has been a series of studies on this subject. If you want, I can search for the name.

                    No, no, thanks, we’re better off in the whitewash.
                    Quote: Rumata
                    Rumata

                    Better go to that palm forest from which you left.

                    Request to the administrators, write out a lifelong "wolf" ticket to this primate (he clearly identifies himself with them above, and not my desire to insult) and so that he does not clog the "air" of the resource.
                    1. Rumata
                      Rumata 25 June 2013 23: 24
                      -1
                      Quote: Papakiko
                      Better go to that palm forest from which you left.

                      And where is the palm forest? You went to school for biology, or in your church parish. all these sciences are heresy?
                      Quote: Papakiko
                      Request to the administrators, write out a lifelong "wolf" ticket to this primate (he clearly identifies himself with them above, and not my desire to insult) and so that he does not clog the "air" of the resource.

                      By ALL indications (morphology, genetics, etc.) people are primates. If it offends you somehow, I'm sorry. If you do not agree, then read these signs of primates (a very short list), and indicate which of the points people do not fit-


                      retention of the clavicle in the shoulder girdle;
                      the structure of the shoulder joint, in which movements in all directions are possible;

                      the presence of nails on the fingers of the front and hind limbs
                      flat toenails of the hind limbs of all kinds
                      sensitive pads at the ends of the fingers;
                      the eyeball is surrounded by bone;
                      a tendency to a flatter face, increasing the value of the visual analyzer by reducing the value of the olfactory feeling;
                      complex stereoscopic visual system, high definition vision and color vision;
                      a brain with a well-developed cerebellum;
                      a large brain relative to body size, especially in anthropoid apes;
                      well-developed cerebral cortex with convolutions;
                      fewer teeth than primitive mammals;
                      three types of teeth;
                      well developed cecum;
                      two mammary glands
                      single pregnancy;
                      testicles are located in the scrotum;
                      long pregnancy;
                      tendency to the vertical position of the body and bipedalism.

                      I am silent about genetics, where everything is generally obvious ...
                      1. Vladimirets
                        Vladimirets 26 June 2013 00: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Rumata
                        If you do not agree, then read these signs of primates (a very short list), and indicate which of the points people do not fit-

                        If desired, no less than similarities can be found in a person with fish, but what distinguishes a person from an animal is reason, the ability to think, and all its derivatives (conscience, compassion, mercy, hatred, envy, etc.)
                      2. Rumata
                        Rumata 26 June 2013 01: 01
                        -2
                        Quote: Vladimirets
                        If desired, no less than similarities can be found in humans with fish

                        And here are the similarities. If you write a list of 100 traits that all fish have in common and a human fits all of them, then we would be fish. All fish species have gills ---> People have no gills, and so on in all counts. In taxonomy, there are no alternative opinions on this issue among scientists, only among those who deny evolution and / or modern science in general.
                        Quote: Vladimirets
                        reason, the ability to think and all derivatives of it (conscience, compassion, mercy, hatred, envy, etc.)

                        There are criteria for determining biological species, and the concept of conscience is not there. Does anencephal without a brain cease to be a man because it has no mind? Is a serial killer not a man because he does not have conscience, mercy, and compassion? These definitions are from another area.
                      3. Avenger711
                        Avenger711 26 June 2013 02: 12
                        0
                        March to school, learn biology.

                        By the way, science does not know whether animals think.
              3. Avenger711
                Avenger711 26 June 2013 02: 16
                0
                They lived in the Kiev zoo, and maybe even a couple of lesbian lionesses live now, who generally did not allow males to be inside. So do not think that animals are programmed absolutely correctly. By the way, male lions, as far as I know, even know how to masturbate.
      3. Avenger711
        Avenger711 26 June 2013 00: 50
        +1
        You can read about homosexuals even in ancient literature. Yes, and in the Middle Ages, the phenomenon is known, treated differently, somewhere like we have a light church punishment, but somewhere dragged to the stake. Obviously, there was no special propaganda then and could not be.

        As for the fairy tales about "the princess and the princess", then again we come to the conclusion that "but with a fig?" Why not a princess and a horse? Or do horses have rights, but we do not? Where the majority reigns, individual freedom ends, but where the minority indicates to the majority, the existence of society ends.

        And in general, if sexual education is introduced, then at what age? Probably not from kindergarten, but from 12-13 years minimum. Girls at this age sometimes already manage to give birth.
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  • My address
    My address 25 June 2013 09: 12
    +8
    In many ways, I agree. And for myself I notice the bad. I will try.

    But how to be? He was directly related to the army a decade ago, now he is a pensioner and I don’t know much about what I knew a few years ago. Leave the forum? And such a majority and the forum will turn into a sect.

    As a person with considerable experience I know that everything is interconnected. It is better to solve any problem from many sides at the same time. There can be a strong army in a weak society with a mass of gays and without mass patriotism.

    From Kozma Prutkov - a narrow specialist is like a flux. Administrations seek optimum.
    1. experienced
      25 June 2013 11: 43
      +3
      Quote: My address
      In many ways, I agree. And for myself I notice the bad. I will try.

      Alexander, thank you for understanding my promise hi Of course, you need to start with yourself and gradually transfer the healthy principle to your neighbors.
      Quote: My address
      But how to be? He was directly related to the army a decade ago, now he is a pensioner and I don’t know much about what I knew a few years ago. Leave the forum? And such a majority and the forum will turn into a sect.

      I also left the armed forces in 1995 to reduce it, then the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but on the site there are many who have not served but are actively attacking others (the Avenger, a stone in the garden laughing ) We will not give up our positions
      Quote: My address
      As a person with considerable experience, I know that everything is interconnected. Any problem is best solved from many sides at the same time.

      Totally agree hi
      Quote: My address
      Administrations seek the optimum.

      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  • ed65b
    ed65b 25 June 2013 09: 14
    +5
    Experienced expressed his opinion. From his point of view, it is more necessary to discuss military issues rather than political issues.
    About nationalists and Nazis. There are no second ones yet. but there are hobby groups. Ardent Stalinists and anti-Stalinists. But each of them sits on his own topic and never a Jewish citizen (with rare exceptions) will discuss the topic of Stalinism-Nazism. They are not on these branches. so it is with the Karabakh affairs. We Russians need more than the Armenians, or they just peck at them or understand that it is useless to argue. But we have fierce skirmishes there both on the Thai and on the other side. I think this is normal. not normal really minus plus candy-rating, many just earn shoulder straps shouting urya, but how people really think we do not know. And what to say. You all know and understand perfectly well. mistakes are sometimes made from excitement or an overabundance of feelings. There is a time to check check no send so. slips bileberda, for me the absence or presence of an extra letter is not important if the meaning is clear and the comment is excellent. In general, you really need to introduce self-censorship and, first of all, you need to learn to listen to your opponent. Although sometimes you just want to say "What kind of mu..ak"
    1. experienced
      25 June 2013 11: 48
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      From his point of view, it is more necessary to discuss military issues rather than political issues.

      I am not against discussing political issues hi
      Quote: ed65b
      About nationalists and Nazis. There are no second ones yet.

      You probably missed, but I saw them (maybe like that "gopher") definitely saw
      Quote: ed65b
      not normally really negative minus positive candy rating, many just earn epaulettes shouting urya, but how people really think we don’t know

      Many people are attracted by this, the administration of the site can only be praised that they have groped their "chip", but our task for members of the forum is to give these "karma collectors" their pepper in the form of "-" wink
  • smersh70
    smersh70 25 June 2013 09: 32
    +4
    Dear Administrator !!!!!! please remove the title of the article - (the Armenian expert spoke about the nature of Azerbaijanis) from this page he hangs here 2 MONTHS !!!!!!!!!!!! .. that there are no other articles to put to the headers of this Dear site !!!!!!! and who speaks about the essence of Azerbaijanis - Armenian expert hi laughing
    and Experienced I fully support !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! drinks
  • Begemot
    Begemot 25 June 2013 09: 43
    +3
    Plus, for the second part of the letter, it is really necessary for everyone to raise the level of communication culture,
    but about the LGBT people, I can’t agree, there is a war going on, a war of extermination, and what weapons our enemies use does not matter - it is directed against us. LGBT people are an infection that is designed to destroy our spirit, weaken our willingness to defend our country, and deprive our youth of the chance to have children, so that the number of Russian residents decreases by itself. To do this, do not shoot, blow, bomb, everything will happen quietly and without unnecessary effort and expense. It is enough to scream at every corner that Russia violates the rights of LGBT people, demand the permission of gay parades and praise gay culture in every way. If under these conditions we will only groan and gasp what wonderful weapons our masters have made in the past - we will become a minority, the straights will be placed on a reservation and they will be used exclusively as manufacturers. And the combined forces of gays from around the world will do this. The theme is in place, LGBT people are the psychotropic weapons of warriors who are against us.
  • The gentleman
    The gentleman 25 June 2013 09: 53
    +8
    Alexey, you raised a good topic of communication. Everything is correct. But the same topic of gays, here I think it is completely different, sometimes I want to wrinkle their fists, such a mentality. Just men come in and write and pour out their souls, because "3,14 derasty" they are never respected, I want to meet with the guys and mash them. I think, that's why there is such a stir in this topic. This is an everyday question. But as for the minuses, let them put it, someone puts a plus, someone a minus. and in general people come here to speak out, talk heart to heart, argue.
    1. experienced
      25 June 2013 11: 51
      +4
      Quote: Gentleman
      .but the same topic of gays, I think it’s completely different, sometimes I want to wrinkle my fists, such a mentality. it’s just that men come in and write and pour out their souls,

      Timur, this must be done on other sites hi Men tend to have women and drink alcohol and much more, but for this there are other "sites"
      1. The gentleman
        The gentleman 25 June 2013 13: 04
        +3
        Quote: seasoned
        Quote: Gentleman
        .but the same topic of gays, I think it’s completely different, sometimes I want to wrinkle my fists, such a mentality. it’s just that men come in and write and pour out their souls,

        Timur, this must be done on other sites hi Men tend to have women and drink alcohol and much more, but for this there are other "sites"

        Alexey, I agree, there are other platforms. I have posted such a topic once, it means that it is subject to discussion. Not always people who are politically uninformed can analyze this or that topic. There have been many times that a comment does not relate to a topic or other kind of comment . In addition, recently noticed that they often began to delete certain comments. But about the men I agree ...
  • Vtel
    Vtel 25 June 2013 10: 08
    +2
    And from a rotten heart there are rotten words, and “evil thoughts, murders, adultery, adultery, theft, perjury, blasphemy” (Matthew 15, 19). That’s why the apostle Paul warns: “Do not be deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor malakii, nor husbands, nor thieves, nor extortioners, nor drunkards, nor spitefulnor predators - they will not inherit the kingdom of God! ”
  • Canep
    Canep 25 June 2013 10: 36
    +1
    Well, since I got out with my morals, I would like to touch upon other issues that need to be addressed:
    - undisguised Nazism;

    My comment on an article about Russian nationalism
    I didn’t even read. Fascism, it is fascism in Africa. You need to plant them all (you can also count).

    I scored 31 minus. am I made conclusions and since then interest in this site has sharply decreased. Moderators have something to think about.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 25 June 2013 15: 44
      +1
      C'mon, don’t worry so dear, I’ve gotten complete feeds from the Stalinists, nothing. You expressed your main point of view and conveyed it to the opponent’s brain, maybe someone will think about it.
  • Larus
    Larus 25 June 2013 10: 40
    +2
    A minus to the author for not reading, but unsubscribing. And also a minus for telling everyone how to, because if we remain silent on this topic, which is relevant, we will only have to listen to fag
    1. experienced
      25 June 2013 11: 55
      +2
      Quote: Larus
      Minus to the author for not reading, but unsubscribing.

      When I see then I do not have to climb into it with a finger to make sure of this, "-" Your right and assessment, thank you hi
      Quote: Larus
      And also a minus for indicating that everyone is right, because if we are silent on this topic, which is relevant, we will only have to listen to fag

      I do not indicate, but simply ask you not to carry the infection where it was not there before. You need to fight on the front lines, not in the rear. The site "VO" in my opinion is far from LGBT hi
  • saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 25 June 2013 10: 45
    +2
    Gay divorced in Babylon, Babylon fell, gays divorced in the Roman Empire, the Roman Empire fell, wound up in a family of English kings-revolution.
    Dangerous is the trend for the state. The institution of a normal family and a citizen of the country must be raised. And gays in the camp should not be visible and audible.
  • Anti
    Anti 25 June 2013 10: 45
    +1
    "The deputy came up with a punishment for gays"
    It’s not necessary to replace the concepts of pederast with gay, but to call a spade a spade p.i.d.o.
    How can one give these two bloodthirsty moderators RomanovU and Apollonne the opportunity to ban? I'm against. winked
    1. experienced
      25 June 2013 11: 56
      +3
      Quote: Anti
      How can one give these two bloodthirsty moderators RomanovU and Apollonne the opportunity to ban? I'm against.

      I did not call the moderators who would be given the status of ban. This is the case and the will of Vadim Smirnov hi
    2. Apollo
      Apollo 25 June 2013 12: 04
      +6
      Quote: Anti
      these two bloodthirsty to moderators RomanovU and Apollonna


      ? winked

      Quote: Anti
      I'm against.


      Nobody will ask you and me. laughing
      1. Anti
        Anti 25 June 2013 12: 33
        0
        Quote: Apollon
        Nobody will ask you and me either.


        Maybe the Administrator will give more authority to some (1-2 people) moderators who could send boors to the eternal ban?


        why did the experienced write it? probably that the forum would express its opinion, huh? winked

        You are rampaging here with Ramanov. sad

        do not give the status to ban moderators, otherwise all krants ..
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 25 June 2013 12: 56
          +2
          Quote: Anti
          You are rampaging here with Ramanov.

          Where, to whom and when did I set the warning unreasonably? Let’s specifically Winnie, otherwise the people with their lies on the site are exciting.
          PS For a lie minus hi
          1. Anti
            Anti 25 June 2013 13: 03
            -4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Where, to whom and when did I set the warning unreasonably?


            me for what? You and Apollonn. I consider it unreasonable. crying

            but because you ascribe to me a lie minus you hi
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 25 June 2013 13: 22
              +3
              Quote: Anti
              me for what? You and Apollonne. I consider it unreasonable

              Warnings delivered to you, the first from Apollo the second from me hi


              1. IF
              Anti
              Today, 18: 58
              If you are an ataturk then you are mu.d.a.k. and t.v.a.r.

              for insulting the moderator. Warning. My name is Azerbaijani! I am not an Ataturk and not a lobster. More questions ?! 2013-04-18 19:26:20 Change | Delete
              2. It is absolutely impossible to stay without a mat? 2013-05-19 18:46:45 From


              So you are Anti liar !!!
              1. sashka
                sashka 25 June 2013 13: 29
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                2. It is absolutely impossible to stay without a mat? 2013-05-19 18:46:45 From

                Written ******* ... Grafomanov ..
              2. Anti
                Anti 26 June 2013 00: 27
                -2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                IF

                1. IF
                Anti
                Today, 18: 58
                If you are ataturk
                2. Do you understand? If ATATYUK, BUT IT IS NOT HE, MEAN IT IS NOT IN ITS ADDRESS, and it was not on a branch, but in a personal.
                3. Without a mat it’s completely impossible? This is your friend Koschey the Immortal winked I don’t remember his nickname, brought me, why didn’t he give a warning? The same. And for the liar one more, please. hi
            2. Apollo
              Apollo 25 June 2013 13: 31
              +2
              Quote: Anti
              You and Apollonne


              Oleg, maybe stop procrastinating our nicknames on the forum.
          2. My address
            My address 25 June 2013 13: 33
            +4
            Uncles Romanov and Apollo!

            Tell me where you will walk in anticipation of a bloody sacrifice tonight. I was going to go to the garden for watering. I really hope to slip past you along another path. Hot Hotz!

            For information - I am elderly and tasteless, I will not take money and drink with me.
  • sashka
    sashka 25 June 2013 11: 02
    +4
    After all, there is already a Law on insulting the feelings of the Believers. So "these" can be imprisoned all indiscriminately without going into details. And the media as well. What hinders the application of the Law in practice? I Believe and the presence of "this de..ma" hams me personally .. What is the problem, where are the Organs?

    Those. "Experienced" proposes to introduce self-censorship on the moral and moral decline in society, which directly affects the army according to all the laws of sociology? what

    See how you hide your head in the sand and you don't find yourself and others as you pull it out of there hi

    Any movement in society directly affects the Army. The English sailors have already been forbidden to raise a toast to their wives and girlfriends. At this rate, with other confusion in the Country and Heads, God knows where he can bring. Punish mercilessly regardless of titles and ranks. "deputies" for how many years postponed the Law on Pedophiles ?? Here is the result .. On every TV channel every day ..

  • Ataman
    Ataman 25 June 2013 11: 11
    +6
    If you are minuscule, undeservedly contact the Administrator, he is an adequate person, and he himself is fighting this evil.

    What do you mean "undeservedly"? Anyone has the right to express their positive or negative attitude towards your statements.
    There are people who have earned a deep minus not by insults and nonsense, but by competent comments, but they run counter to the general "hurray-patriotic" mood of the majority of the audience. Such people are worthy of more respect than most "hurray generals". Without them, the comments would not make sense at all to read.
    And to be honest, I minus any meaningless bilibert, both "hurray-patriotic" and anti-Russian.
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 25 June 2013 11: 34
      +3
      What confuses me more is not the number of minuses, but the inability to comment on reaching a certain number of them.

      On the topic of LGBT movement - I agree with the author. There are much more pressing problems than these.

      Russia is not that country, not the mentality that this movement would seriously consolidate here.
      1. experienced
        25 June 2013 12: 19
        0
        Quote: Skavron
        What confuses me more is not the number of minuses, but the inability to comment on reaching a certain number of them.

        These are site rules, questions to the administrator. I read a lot of good comments from the "skulls" and many marshals and generals went through dullness, and one moderator (now a marshal) was multi-skull smile
  • sergey261180
    sergey261180 25 June 2013 11: 22
    +3
    All this hysteria with gomosyatiny is whipped up by the authorities to cover up other more important negative events (for example, a rise in prices for bread or gasoline, an increase in utility tariffs, sabotage laws, etc.). Also for these purposes flying saucers are used (very actively in the 80s. The USSR was destroyed to this tune), Jewish "pogroms", Pugacheva's weddings, some of Putin's driveways on Lada Kalin, etc.
  • MG42
    MG42 25 June 2013 11: 25
    +4
    There are a large number of programs that track errors, can some start to use them? Sometimes it hurts the eye, but this is a personal and petty opinion.

    There is someone who intentionally prints with errors, such a style, the grammar is not included in the list of violations.
    Is it time to declare ignore this infection?

    If you declare ignore, this does not mean that the infection will disappear, maybe the topics are separate and they are not needed, but you can and should discuss it if there is specific news ..
    Let us be aware that interesting and informative articles relating to the history of Russian weapons remain generally unclaimed by our audience, it may be time for everyone to decide for themselves

    Start with yourself, everyone goes, as I understand it, to the article where he is in the subject, there are topics universal for everyone, 99% of gays are not tolerant here is the result ..
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 25 June 2013 11: 37
    +3
    Quite right, Mr. "Experienced", earlier gays did not bother anyone, but here it is just some kind of attack, just an explosion of hatred flooding the mind (if it was, of course). As if gays have never existed and they are the fruit of European politics .... Gays have been and will be, so nature has decreed, and you cannot argue with it. The fact that Europe and the United States decided to legalize them, so the flag is in their hands. Logically speaking, this is the correct move. Previously, being gay made it possible to blackmail a person, use them for their own purposes, which was actively used by all kinds of special services. Also, secret communities consisting of gays were formed who were pushed into leadership positions only on the basis of belonging to their blue brothers, this is a real danger. If the power in the country consists of these guys, then this is a sign of totalitarianism, they will tighten the screws in relation to their fellows the most, thereby strengthening their "blue" power. How else could they kiss boys in the tummy ...
    PS: this was my first and last post about gays, love women, they are beautiful!
    1. experienced
      25 June 2013 12: 20
      +1
      Quote: Nayhas
      it was my first and last post about gays, love women, they are beautiful!

      hi
  • maxvik
    maxvik 25 June 2013 11: 39
    +2
    I thought the article was a bit wider, not just about LGBT people. You need to write about these, but have time to stop in time. In general, the author calls for more to look after himself.
    1. experienced
      25 June 2013 12: 21
      +2
      Quote: maxvik
      In general, the author calls for more to look after himself.

      Thank you, you understood everything correctly hi
  • sashka
    sashka 25 June 2013 12: 03
    +2
    And what about the Administrators are specialists in spelling and spelling? "Guardians" of Morality and Integrity? Do you take too much on yourself ??
  • sashka
    sashka 25 June 2013 12: 16
    0
    Judging by my "indicators" The site is registered in Germany. Why not in Russia ??? Weak? Scary ??
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 25 June 2013 12: 24
    +4
    I admit, I have not read the article.
    Blue in the Army? Taz and war will not be:

    Two homosexuals are sitting in a trench, a tank is rushing on them.
    - Serezhenka, throw a grenade, we were ordered by the muscular commander.
    - I can’t, Sasha, there are boys ...
    - Serezhenka, dear, well, throw a grenade, otherwise the commander of the handkerchief will take it from us.
    - Well, the boys are in the tank ... how is it, Sasha? ..

    The tank pulls up, stops.
    - Hi, there. Guys, step aside, otherwise we'll crush you. If you want, come with us, we’ll go up that hill for flowers ...


    But seriously, I fully support it: blueness began to cheekily shout to all spheres of life, tv.ri.
    At the moment, it has become FASHIONABLE - to show excessively high tolerance, her mother, to them. And this is done by state structures.
    Well, let yourself do what they want with themselves, I have nothing against it. But why PREPAID?
    How can I explain this crap to children ??? And for what ??? They got it.
    I rarely speak out about this, and there is no longer any desire, I simply educate my people as I see fit.
    ...............................

    About the forum:

    Frankly, I'm a little tired of reading "empty" comments.
    Throw opinions right and left:
    1. There are those who “collect” the advantages for epaulettes, but they only cause a grin,
    2. There are "know-it-alls" who climb into all articles with a smart look. It’s just pissing me off - they sincerely prove that they themselves have just come up with and convince everyone of this. The most annoying thing is that those who are “off topic” and who are really interested in receiving information on military issues listen and perceive it.
    3. There are those who are just lying. As soon as they are caught in inconsistency, they immediately leave the topic and pretend that they do not remember anything.
    I prefer to read those with whom I disagree and argue with them or even admit that they are right, than to read cheap crap above mentioned.

    Maybe all the same we will not turn into a community of attendants on a bench, husking seeds ???
    Previously, the site was a little different. I read it for six months before registering.
    I hope for a masculine or army understanding of what is written, I just spoke out.
    Thanks to the namesake (author) for the hot topic.

    With respect to the forum users:
    Alex.
  • dmb
    dmb 25 June 2013 12: 31
    +2
    "All one will reduce to women." Well, just like the king in the fairy tale about Fedot the Sagittarius. So it is with us. Whatever problem is not related to the device of a tank or an infantry fighting vehicle is not discussed, it all comes down to sexual perversion. Well, once we talked, we know the position of the majority of those present on the site. What to procrastinate then. Is it the main trouble in our country along with the roads of the Presidential Administration and State Duma Deputies? So in this part, the author is absolutely right. He is wrong in another (if not sarcasm) in the literacy of comments. As Mueller said in the famous film: "These are far from trifles." The participation of moderators in decimation is no less alarming. It is no secret that some of them acquired this right solely on the basis of populism, and their objectivity in assessing opponents raises great doubts.
  • a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 25 June 2013 12: 31
    +2
    And how not to discuss and not swear? A pig will grow out of a piglet, and from a gay teenager, respectively
    .... and not the defender of the MOTHERLAND.
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 25 June 2013 13: 03
    +1
    The author touched on the topic of gays that supposedly there are big comments for some reason at the end I switched to forum users expressing obscenities, they are banned and that’s right, I want to ask him (the author) What did you expect? Is the topic of gays so natural that it can be discussed in the Military Review?

    why not shove articles about other perverted forms of sex here, for example, a deputy expressed a desire to allow / prohibit bestiality (in Afghanistan, a soldier copied with a donkey), voyeurism (peeping, fetishism (sniffed comrade’s underwear), etc. in the Army. What did the author or moderator want putting this little article on the network ??? what did you want? I wanted to know how many percent of forum users support or not?

    the very fact that they put it leads to a heated discussion, because what can be more important for a person than food, clothing, copulation and entertainment. If a person’s political or religious views are formed in adulthood, then he has tastes since infancy. For this is the nature of man, like any mammal. And the desire to impose other tastes on him runs into hostility. So do not be surprised.

    Do not want so many comments so please do not write about it at all !!! For when members of the forum "express themselves" they do not see the goal of giving more comments or less, they do not care, they just express their point of view on all this, and you ban them. People like you and the rally will be dispersed like Mao students with tanks of wings.

    Instead of banning everyone who disagrees with the "public" and "cultural" opinion, I suggest the moderators not to post provocative articles, whether it is about religion, national peculiarities or sexual nature.

    And since there is an urgent topic of interest, please like the truth and public opinion, hold it !!! Well, are you running away ?? !!! it is the truth of life, it must be accepted! because the people speak, and not a bunch of musicians, poets or other philosophers who conduct an abstract discussion about what is not in life, in reality.

    PS I quoted the word social and cultural with the sense that public opinion can also be erroneous, for example, I will not speak again about countries where the entire population unanimously recognized the rights of gays, and for example, Germans during Hitler’s who really believed that they were the best nation in the world and the rest must perish. And the word culture, in the understanding, can change; before, the paintings of the Renaissance, portraits, landscapes, etc., were considered the height of pictorial art. and then just a black square drawn was considered the standard of the genre. So a person has not yet come up with that. Hang on and Get Strong Boys !!
  • Black
    Black 25 June 2013 13: 48
    0
    I absolutely agree with the author! We talk too much on topics that are far from the spirit of the site. And so pi ... frames we pay attention to them not deserving.
  • experienced
    25 June 2013 13: 48
    +4
    At the moment (13:45) I re-read all the comments and gave answers to everyone I thought was necessary (if I missed anyone, please excuse me), I only put "+" to whom I thought necessary, I did not put a single "-". The fact that my mistake was posted on the site today was a surprise, but I think that if even one in a hundred thinks and stops carrying dirt on the forum, then my "urge" was justified.
    Now it’s all, in the evening I’ll come again and I will answer everyone hi