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How Gozman woke up Yarovaya. About a possible article "Rehabilitation of Nazism" and the reaction to it

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The entire megaliberal public of Russia today says its sincere “thank you” to one of the brightest representatives of this, namely, Leonid Yakovlevich Gozman. Yes, yes, the same advisor working in the most advanced and innovative company Rosnano, who said just now that the actions of the Soviet SMERSH and the SS Nazi units are identical things. “Thank you” says the liberal Russian echelon Gozman for the fact that he was able to wake the deputy Irina Yarovaya, who is going to introduce a new wording of the bill on criminal punishment for the justification of Nazism. SMERSH woke Gozman, Gozman woke Yarovaya, Yarova shook our home-grown (and not only) groaned liberals ...




The deputy proposed a new version of the bill, which, admittedly, has not been discussed for a single year. The first version of this bill was proposed as early as 2009 by Boris Gryzlov and, in fact, by Irina Yarovaya herself, who, as the author, decided to make certain changes (probably, after Mr. Gozman’s conclusions). One of the main additions to the bill can be words about imposing sanctions for denying the sentence handed down by the International Military Tribunal, as well as denying the activities of the armies of the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition to maintain international peace and security during World War II.

In addition, the courts will consider the cases of those who disseminated false information about the activities of the anti-Hitler coalition during the Second World War.

In this regard, it is proposed to supplement the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation with a new article entitled “Rehabilitation of Nazism”. All penalties for this bill is not planned to change. Thus, persons who will be held liable under an additional article of the Criminal Code may receive a 3-year prison sentence or be fined 300 thousand rubles. If similar actions were followed by a person using his official position, the amount of the fine rises to half a million rubles, and the time of imprisonment to 5 years.

It is noteworthy that the innovations for which Irina Yarovaya was in favor today are representatives of all Duma factions, but there are also deputies among those who are not prepared to withstand factional discipline. These gentlemen declare that the new bill is “another attempt by the authorities to suppress freedom of speech”. But in fact, such deputies with a loose factional discipline themselves signify that by freedom of speech they mean, among other things, the obvious substitution of concepts, and even outright lies. Their message is about the following: we are forbidden to lie about storiesbut what about the oppositionists who survive without constant lie, to persistently unsystematic or even unsystematic ... All our work is based on the substitution of facts and the rape of history. How to survive now ?! Guard! We are deprived of freedom to lie! Uh-uh, that is, freedom of speech ...

It is worth paying attention to the fact that many domestic publications have managed to present the discussed bill (and this is still a bill that, in its updated form, was not even discussed in the State Duma) under, let's say, its own sauce. For example, the publication Vedomosti came out with the heading "The State Duma will forbid criticizing the Soviet army." At the same time, “Vedomosti” somehow does not particularly reflect on the fact that this title has nothing to do with the reality of the bill itself. And here is a criticism of the Soviet army? How does the title of the hypothetical article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation “Rehabilitation of Nazism” generally combine with criticism of the Soviet army? It is obvious that the authors of the material simply decided to warm up the megaliberal public so that it would publish its everyday mundane, the “weeping of Yaroslavna”, which became almost everyday due to what is not there in reality.

“Vedomosti”, among other things, leads the reaction of political scientist Alexei Chesnakov to the updated version of the bill. Chesnakov considers the wording in the bill "extremely vague." In his opinion, the bill after gaining its legal force will allow criminal prosecution of those who speak critically, for example, regarding the bombings of Hiroshima ...

But this is not how the wording of the bill is vague, but vague, say so, external interpretations. If you read the proposals of Irina Yarovoy, then the bill says in black and white that the prosecution will be organized if a person spreads false information about the activities of both the Soviet troops and the entire anti-Hitler coalition. Attention, once again: the dissemination of false information (through the media including).

If tens of thousands of civilians were killed during the bombing of Hiroshima, then does this fact require someone to sing the praises or something? .. Or if the Red Army in the first days of the Great Patriotic War suffered heavy losses and was forced to retreat inland, what bill prohibits talking about it? Yes, no! The bill will be discussed in order to put an end to the attempts to blacken white and whiten black by presenting both in a neutral gray color. As an example: the same statement by Mr. Gozman that SMERSH and the SS troops are supposedly of the same berry field.

By the way, Leonid Gozman now decided to defend his honor and dignity (and he, as he himself believes, has them ...). And now I am ready to file a lawsuit against, no less, the State Duma. Gozman, from the new:

I consider Stalin to be no less criminal than Hitler and Stalin’s punitive organs are no less disgusting than Hitler’s punitive organs.


At the same time, Gozman decided to somewhat distance himself from the individual championship in terms of voicing this idea, so that he apparently could later (well, after receiving the status of the real law by the Spring bill), declare that he was influenced by the opinions of other people. After saying that he was ready to sue the State Duma, he said that he, he says, was not the first to say such words, recalling Grossman and Solzhenitsyn. Like, if anything, then let the descendants of Grossman and Solzhenitsyn on 300 or 500 pay thousands of rubles or "treshka" with "fives" "shake" ...

Well, to declare that he was not the first to express a similar thought, and therefore not to consider himself guilty of anything is about the same as, God forgive me, hack an old woman lender and say that this is all Dostoevsky ... He supposedly , I wrote it first, and therefore I am suing you, as you denigrate my honor and dignity ... Well, an interesting train of thought! It’s not for nothing that Anatoly Borisovich himself took a man as an adviser in his time - he would suddenly throw a little idea how to get out of the water after turning over another scam.

In general, the liberal intelligentsia after expressing the idea of ​​the deputy Yarovoi stirred up. However, such a hubbub was raised, as if before the appearance of the draft law they did nothing but engage in activities that rehabilitate fascism and Nazism. Or someone on this really earned bread and butter. Judging by the number of various textbooks and “historical research in which the history of the country was raped without a shadow of author's embarrassment, there were many such masters in our country.
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  1. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 25 June 2013 07: 29 New
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    It seems that the gozman is one of those who are able to bring even Theodor Herzl to an acute attack of anti-Semitism request
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 25 June 2013 08: 23 New
      +3
      !!!!!!!!!!!! +++++++++++++++
      Rusland !!!! You're really enchanting! Share - what are we smoking?
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 25 June 2013 08: 30 New
        +5
        Quote: retired
        ! Share - what are we smoking?

        A week was not really on the site - I prepared my family for departure to the country crying Now come off drinks bully
      2. Good Ukraine
        Good Ukraine 25 June 2013 18: 17 New
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        good It’s time to pass such a law.
        In the USSR, during the war, 19 people per day were killed daily. (Average)
        Who can tell how many Jews died in this war? And the Holocaust is somehow legalized. Here the gozman is outraged. "How can the USSR be equated with the Jews?"

        Although I Something I do not remember such a thing as "Jewish Liberation Army"
        No, of course, I didn’t lose my memory either, and I remember that the Jews were driven into the ghetto and they conscientiously worked for the Wehrmacht, but I don’t remember any uprisings, especially armed ones, in these ghettos.
        I also agree that many Jews fought in the ranks of the Soviet army, in the ranks of the NKVD and political workers. Well and good, here we will protect everyone at the legislative level, who fought conscientiously and did not spare their lives in the fight against fascism for the Soviet Motherland.
        Think about it: in Syria, more than two years ago, about 100 people from both sides died and died (total number) (and howl was raised all over the world). And in the USSR, only from our side 000 people daily.
        And Gozman wants to deny the genocide of Soviet people.
        He wants to justify the murderers of my grandfather, who was one of the 27 million Soviet people who died in the fight against fascism.
        This gozman goat went into the crack !!! negative
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 25 June 2013 20: 36 New
          +4
          Quote: Dobryak Ukraine
          This gozman goat went into the crack !!!

          Yes, he will be able to spoil there too! We need more radical, more radical ... So that I couldn’t go anywhere already ...
          1. kavkaz8888
            kavkaz8888 30 June 2013 23: 03 New
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            More radically, this is a gozman’s stake in the crack. It’s definitely not going anywhere.
        2. kadette150
          kadette150 26 June 2013 02: 20 New
          +4
          Incidentally, not only Jews worked on the Wehrmacht, but also Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, and all those whom the Nazis decided to use as a gratis labor force. And what about the uprising in the Warsaw ghetto? Also a myth? The Holocaust was also to deny this - it means also to cover up history as the notorious Gozman. But in Israel, unlike Russia, they previously understood the need to protect their history from such Gozmans and their ilk.
        3. cdrt
          cdrt 26 June 2013 16: 31 New
          +1
          1. We accept the total losses of the USSR in 27 million people (your numbers). Deaths in the ranks of the armed forces are usually estimated at 11-12 million people. There remain 15-16 million civilians.
          Jews who died in the Holocaust are largely citizens of the USSR, namely 2 million out of 15 million civilians who died.

          Of 2.15 million Jews who found themselves in the territory occupied by the Germans, 2 million people were destroyed. The total number of Jews in the USSR at that time was estimated at 4,5 million.
          By the way, for example, Babi Yar, a good example - the Ukrainians, under the strict guidance of the SS, shot Ukrainian Jews, shot several hundred thousand.

          2. The definition of genocide is destruction based on race or ethnicity. So the Germans destroyed only the "chosen ones" - gypsies, Jews.
          The rest were destroyed not because they were born that way, but because they resisted the invader. Not the same thing.
          Moreover, Jews, citizens of the USSR who found themselves in the occupation had virtually no chance of survival (2 out of 2.15 million people were destroyed).
          Actually this is what genocide was called.
          Are there other nations with the same probability of survival under the Germans (except for the same gypsies)?

          3. If you don’t remember that the Jews in the ghetto rebelled, it’s really a memory that has disappeared ...
          Learning History - The Uprising of the Warsaw Ghetto.

          4. Do not know how the Jews fought with Hitler?
          In the USSR, 2.5 million Jews were not under occupation, is 500 in the Red Army / SA not enough (i.e., practically all adult men)?
          There are 560 thousand Jews in the US Army.
          And in total in the armies of the anti-Hitler coalition 1.4 million, with the number of Jews of all countries of the world (subtracting the dead in the Holocaust) - 12 million people (of which millions in Latin America).

          5. What does Gozman have to do with the Holocaust?
          1. Rider
            Rider 26 June 2013 19: 17 New
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            Quote: cdrt
            Deaths in the ranks of the armed forces are usually estimated at 11-12 million people.



            Excuse me, but on the basis of what studies are these figures?
            1. cdrt
              cdrt 26 June 2013 19: 54 New
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              Yes, as it were, a lot where. in detail - probably in a personal email. and best of all climb on vif - there you can ask Isaev - get a lot of links
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        4. Dovmont
          Dovmont 26 June 2013 17: 40 New
          +1
          And Svanidze followed him!
    2. vezunchik
      vezunchik 25 June 2013 09: 01 New
      -34
      and what about the top has nothing to do? And we wonder why the recession in the economy ....
      1. S-200
        S-200 25 June 2013 09: 07 New
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        overpowering the macroeconomics of her pumpkin oil, obviously, is not enough ... that’s a woman laughing
        it will be necessary to report for idleness ... and the place is warm bully
        1. soldat1945
          soldat1945 25 June 2013 09: 45 New
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          If the channel Russia is considered a state channel, then there the gozman was given absolute support for the second day at the beginning of the blizzard called "Penalty Battalion" show, although even veterans asked Putin to ban this series from being shown, and the head of the gozman, Putin's sidekick, Chubais also probably gives good for these statements! We seem to have a story at the top, and the people have their own, that's why this law is needed, so that at least in posts you can refer to criminal liability, otherwise they write a bunch of letters to the big uncle and these TV ... they were like threshing from the radio and state channels all heresy is threshed!
          1. individual
            individual 25 June 2013 11: 47 New
            +6
            So this special propaganda gozman is also arranged on the state radio S. Dorenko "Russian news service" ???
            1. Nitup
              Nitup 25 June 2013 14: 53 New
              +3
              S. Dorenko is not better than Gozman
          2. Syrdon
            Syrdon 26 June 2013 09: 37 New
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            the authorities are now compelled to give the opportunity to speak to such geeks. otherwise - "persecution of freedom of speech", "freedom of thought" and other common human values. So you have to endure for the time being, for the time being. Alas.
          3. Skiff-2
            Skiff-2 26 June 2013 09: 46 New
            0
            The gozman’s chief is not Putin’s sidekick, but looking from the Rothschild, something like an authorized ambassador ... an untouchable type, I hope so far not for long.
          4. cdrt
            cdrt 26 June 2013 16: 36 New
            -2
            hmm ... Strabat did not please the veterans ...
            One of my grandfathers fought in the penal battalion - I left the environment unsuccessfully :-) as he himself said.
            He survived, talked about the penal battalion a little, but what he told the movie seems to be ...
            Of course, not everything, not in details, but ...
            No matter how sad ...
            1. Dovmont
              Dovmont 26 June 2013 17: 53 New
              +3
              Officers were sent to penal battalions and there was no criminal riffraff in them. Penalty companies were formed by the rank and file. Convicts who expressed a desire to go to the front, after considering their applications by a special commission, were sent to serve in combined arms units. The film "Penal Battalion" is a heinous lie!
          5. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 29 June 2013 10: 42 New
            +1
            In power "GOSMANA" in the person of Mendel Dvarkovich Greft Chubais and other "chosen ones", while they rule the ball-RUSSIA will not be free !!!
        2. Denis
          Denis 25 June 2013 09: 58 New
          -35
          Quote: S-200
          she obviously lacks pumpkin oil
          And a face, who will drink so much?
          Here and freaks out from nedotraha, creeps into liberalism
          1. kavkaz8888
            kavkaz8888 30 June 2013 23: 13 New
            0
            And so many minuses were set by those who drink so much? !!! What do a normal woman in politics do?
        3. Begemot
          Begemot 25 June 2013 12: 38 New
          +2
          And I plus S-200, in fact, Yarovaya is violently active anywhere. It would be better if mosquitoes biting banned by law, and then tortured. She has the same field as a berry with this gozman and works in tandem as a glazier and a boy - a bully. For those who have brains in place, no gozmans can disrupt the picture of the universe and their statements are just an excuse to doubt the soundness of their mind. From a young age, it is necessary to educate in respect for one’s history and love for one’s country, then they will point fingers at different gozmans and twist them in weight, and it’s pointless to fine oneself for convictions, if brains for bekren’s fines will not help.
          1. nov_tech.vrn
            nov_tech.vrn 25 June 2013 13: 14 New
            +7
            not to fine for beliefs, to punish for imposing one’s point of view, insolent slander and falsification of history. Insulting people who defended their homeland, for impudence for 30 pieces of silver to shit everywhere and at all.
            1. Grenz
              Grenz 25 June 2013 14: 26 New
              +4
              nov_tech.vrn
              You're right. By the way, if Gozman (apparently the surname and nationality are the same) remind that a number of countries have adopted a law: "NO HOLOCAUST RECOGNITION IS PUNISHED CRIMINALLY", i.e. there is a fact and do not dare to discuss. So, we do not have the right and should not defend INCOMPLETE FACTS by law. No, we must and must (Yarovaya or another without a difference) - otherwise, after a while, we will have nothing to defend. Everyone will be fucked.
              1. folds
                folds 25 June 2013 16: 09 New
                +1
                So this hoopoe doesn’t deny the Holocaust and doesn’t agitate for the Nazis — he, [the word forbidden on the site] is like that, equals Stalin and the Soviet Union with them.
            2. cdrt
              cdrt 26 June 2013 16: 40 New
              -1
              hmm ...
              survived ...
              The professor was right - the devastation begins in the minds
              In fact - perhaps something will really change a single history textbook ...

              I remember on this same site half a year ago citizens of anti-Semites yelled that it’s good with us - freedom, they don’t put in prison for the denial of the Holocaust, not like in Europe.

              Now - a statement has appeared that has offended many (regardless of whether it is true or not).
              And what happens ???
              Hot approval of the law - completely analogous to French and Austrian - deny something - close ...

              How much ...
          2. Denis
            Denis 25 June 2013 20: 23 New
            -3
            Quote: Begemot
            She has one berry field with this gozman and is paired up
            Only no one wants to see the obvious, maybe there will be enough tandems:
            Irina Yarova, who, as the author, decided to bring certain changes (probably, precisely after the conclusions of Mr. Gozman)
            But is it another attempt to stick his nose into the Army?
            And here is a criticism of the Soviet army? How does the title of a hypothetical article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation “Rehabilitation of Nazism” in general combine with criticism of the Soviet army?
            I am "my own", admit to the secrets!
            And get the next rabid soldier mothers or doctors without spy drugs without borders
          3. S-200
            S-200 28 June 2013 20: 23 New
            -1
            hi I would rephrase the title of the article ...
            "How did Gozman arouse Yarovaya !?"
          4. Tykta
            Tykta 29 June 2013 09: 58 New
            0
            in fact, they occupy a plebs from different angles of the ring, they have such a job. plebs like it - they comment, make bets, are indignant ... my opinion is that they are all oiled in one world - both of these are suitable for lampshades
            1. kavkaz8888
              kavkaz8888 30 June 2013 23: 16 New
              0
              This commentary deserves to be worthy of completing any such discussion.
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        5. S-200
          S-200 26 June 2013 22: 34 New
          -2
          what a violent reaction to the appraisal of false patriotism this is "forgive political ..." Lord !! laughing
          Are you in your right mind "minus players" ???? fool
      2. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 25 June 2013 13: 04 New
        +1
        read the article everything is written there, do not be surprised, this is the first sign, it’s time to put the falsifiers of history in their place, otherwise they shit anywhere, even not only on their branches
        1. Denis
          Denis 25 June 2013 22: 04 New
          +4
          Quote: nov_tech.vrn
          do not be surprised, this is the first swallow, it's time to put history forgers
          Here it is surprising that the first
          Late as it woke up or there were no reasons before?
          Moreover, it is connected with the gozman, everything is unclean here ...

          Yes, the empty talk of the deputy got. How much there was sprayed with saliva at the expense of sterilizing homeless animals, and what !? Themselves would like to sterilize unnecessary
          How did you fight smoking and what !?
          The same spring couple with gozman now and make fun of how they divorced voters
          And we break the spears
          A referendum on the USSR, Belovezhskaya Pushcha, GKChP, a cone on an armored car, he promised to lie to me with an increase in rail prices, too, Anna Karenina
          Maybe enough to believe?
      3. a
        a 25 June 2013 20: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: vezunchik
        and what about the top has nothing to do? And we wonder why the recession in the economy ...



        our government, unfortunately, is not able to do anything else, except how to "raise" people to defend the Second World War and the chastity of the nation. These two themes have spread throughout the country. The deputies are not engaged in anything other than the adoption of laws on responsibility for RGT propaganda and denial of the heroic deeds of the people in the Second World War. the topics are certainly important, but mlyn ... it would be better if they improved the position of WWII and labor veterans than to make empty decisions ..
        and the authorities that failed the economic management of the country, this is exactly what is needed. people negodue about gays and gozamns. But he does not remember the responsibility of the authorities for the failed economy.
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 26 June 2013 16: 55 New
          0
          I completely agree.
          1. "Getting up off your knees" is still going on a little in the defense industry, and so much money has been stolen that it is not just that you could get up from your knees, but you can start jumping, the authorities need to do something so that "the energy of the steam goes off. ..

          2. Gozman seems to be fully integrated into the elite. He said something - and instead of asking - why is it that we have 1 km of road to Krasnaya Polyana as 2 km of the andron collider, crowds of fellow citizens will discuss hell knows that (a statement of some kind of ... ra, little known) .

          3. It seems that the main problems of the Russian Federation are gay (by the way, I have never met in my life, except that I saw the heroes of Plevna at the Monument wink ) and Jews blaming something in WWII - ??? (I don’t even know who? - No scientist, no writer, FIG knows who in general). And before that, the country's main problem was 3-4 fools who sang against Putin in CSU ...

          4. We Russian deserve those rulers whom we have ...
          Over in Brazil, they wanted to arrange for the World Cup something to drink / drink ... (at the same time they announced the reduction of funding for schools and public transport).
          The whole country fell under the slogans - no to football, but to schools ...
          Arched the government ...
          And we will fiercely discuss gays (which really none of us have ever met) and popping out some kind of mu ... ka.
          How many financial directors of the Olympics are there that have already fled the country ???
      4. vezunchik
        vezunchik 27 June 2013 23: 31 New
        0
        United Russia factions in 12 regional parliaments, contrary to the party’s general line, supported the ratification of Article 20 of the UN Convention against Corruption - on the “illegal enrichment” of civil servants. In the State Duma, the United Russia faction has consistently opposed the adoption of this paragraph, despite the demands of the Communist Party. History causes serious concern in the internal affairs directorates of a number of regions: on the eve of the September elections, the Communists are campaigning against United Russia on charges of a fake fight against corruption, Gazeta.Ru sources said. But political scientists and the Kremlin do not see any danger for United Russia. The regional departments of internal politics of the federal subjects that are currently running the election campaign on the eve of a single election day on September 8 are worried that the Communists are successfully using the United Russia’s refusal to ratify the 20- Article I of the UN Convention against Corruption - “Illegal Enrichment.” The United Russia faction in the State Duma has been blocking the ratification of this article at the federal level for many years. However, recently, in 12 constituent entities of the federation, United Russia, at the suggestion of the Communists, voted to introduce the concept of "illegal enrichment." The norm, in particular, has already been approved by the legislative assemblies of St. Petersburg, Tatarstan, the Ulyanovsk region and the Primorsky Territory. In case of ratification of this paragraph, officials will have to report on the origin of multi-million dollar accounts in banks and luxury goods - foreign real estate and expensive foreign cars, under penalty of criminal liability. Member of the Presidium of the General Council of the EP Valery Trapeznikov told Gazeta.ru that he does not agree with the party’s general line “They have a democratic party, so nothing will happen to them. Our party is free, and the General Council has not yet discussed this issue. If it comes to the federal level, we will discuss, of course. It’s not so easy to ratify everything, you need to first see what the consequences may be, "Trapeznikov said." The situation is stalemate: on the one hand, the federal center has not yet changed its position on the fact that article 20 is not worth ratifying, and such a demarche (of regional United Russia. - “Gazeta.Ru”) actually substitutes the federal leadership of the party and faction. On the other hand, United Russia is extremely difficult to answer the question why, if the war on corruption declared by President Vladimir Putin is real, they refuse to accept such stubbornness this clause of the convention to find out where Russian officials got their wealth and real estate, ”says one of the interlocutors of Gazeta.Ru from among regional officials. Previously, the Communist Party has repeatedly sought from the State Duma to ratify article 20 of the anti-corruption convention, but all of it the attempts ended in failure, because the government opposed the document.
    3. psdf
      psdf 25 June 2013 12: 08 New
      +6
      Grossman, Solzhenitsyn, why did he refer to Goebbels? Shy?
      1. 11Goor11
        11Goor11 25 June 2013 15: 42 New
        +1
        why did he refer to Goebbels? Shy?

        But the truth is!
        Goebbels was the first real anti-Russian liberal.
        Liberalism is the same fascism, only better disguised, and therefore doubly dangerous.
        After all, this is a misanthropic ideology, freedom to do everything that will destroy human society - to be perverted at random, to spread any lie, to defend the "sacred right" to loot.
        1. psdf
          psdf 25 June 2013 21: 56 New
          +1
          Where do copyright advocates look? Goebbels' rights to anti-Soviet and anti-Russian propaganda are violated! We require obligatory links to the source!
        2. Ded_smerch
          Ded_smerch 27 June 2013 09: 23 New
          0
          "The first real anti-Russian liberal was Goebbels." you wanted to say anti-Soviet, because there were anti-Russians for a long time before the 20th century, you can, for example, recall the Goebbels' ancestors of the crusaders who massacred our ancestors, while Nevsky didn’t give them a kick, the popes with their calls to cleanse the Slavs and there were many thousands of them.
      2. folds
        folds 25 June 2013 16: 10 New
        0
        the name of the first teacher is holy to him! ;)
    4. tegezen
      tegezen 25 June 2013 20: 41 New
      0
      To imprison a scoundrel "for the rehabilitation of Nazism" for 3 years, that would be kosher.
    5. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 30 June 2013 22: 59 New
      0
      Zhizdkovat this gozman. I mean, it’s not spectacular. Here are the crooks of Kovalev and Novodvorskaya toad, these were colorful types.
  2. George
    George 25 June 2013 07: 29 New
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    Judging by the number of various teaching aids and “historical studies in which the history of the country was raped without a shadow of copyright embarrassment, there have been and still are many gentlemen in our country.

    Where is my black gun?
    These gentlemen say the new bill is "another attempt by the authorities to suppress freedom of speech."

    Truly, for these nonhumans, freedom is expressed in spitting into their past. Yes, and yours?
    Gozman woke Yarovaya.

    It would be better if he fell asleep with her. Forever and ever.
    1. cartridge
      cartridge 25 June 2013 08: 28 New
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    2. 225chay
      225chay 25 June 2013 16: 22 New
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      Quote: GEORGE
      Gozman woke Yarovaya.

      woke up or aroused?
      "Evil ...... tea" probably
  3. anip
    anip 25 June 2013 07: 31 New
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    then the bill says in black and white that the persecution will be organized if a person disseminates false information about the activities of both the Soviet troops and the entire anti-Hitler coalition.

    Interestingly, it turns out that Gozman can be attracted for spreading false information, as well as to the heap of all the followers of Suvorov-Rezun and all anti-Stalinists. It would be nice.
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    2. Denis_SF
      Denis_SF 25 June 2013 09: 38 New
      +3
      You can also the main victim of the "bloody regime", the late Solzhenitsyn. If there is posthumous rehabilitation, then let there be a reverse effect. I was in Moscow, so there the entire metro is covered with his statements.
      1. vot-te-raz
        vot-te-raz 25 June 2013 21: 07 New
        +2
        Putin, too, often quotes him (Solzhenitsyn).
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 26 June 2013 16: 58 New
          +2
          And moreover, he not only quotes, but pursues politics in many respects in full accordance with Solzhenitsyn’s article - how can we equip Russia ...
      2. Ded_smerch
        Ded_smerch 27 June 2013 09: 32 New
        0
        oh comrade wrote about the pleasant. It’s high time to debunk Nitsyn’s folkly with False, otherwise it’s too painful to often use this dreamer (they already fall in school).
    3. the polar
      the polar 25 June 2013 11: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: anip
      then the bill says in black and white that the persecution will be organized if a person disseminates false information about the activities of both the Soviet troops and the entire anti-Hitler coalition.

      Interesting, it turns out, Gozman can be attracted for disseminating false information, as well as to the heap of all followers of Suvorov-Rezun, and all anti-Stalinists. It would be nice.

      But it doesn’t work out!
      you will not be able to prosecute either Gozman or others like him under this law, because the same Yarovaya will explain to you that Gozman did not rehabilitate Nazism, but equated the "bloody crimes of Stalin" with the crimes of Nazism, and this position is supported by all "enlightened humanity ", starting with Prime Minister Medvedev and President Putin, and ending with Svanidze with Posner and Gozman, and all the admirers and idolaters of the unwilling Solzhenitsyn.
      The "law" promoted by Yarovaya will only have to condemn those who directly justify the crimes of Nazism.
      Well, have you met many of these?

      It is such a prostitutional pseudo-law that the spring promotes.
      It would be another matter if the text of the law directly and unambiguously stated, "for slandering the history of the USSR and the Soviet system, for insulting the memory of all Soviet people who defeated Nazi Germany and liberated the world from slavery and genocide of Nazi Germany ... a prison term."
      1. BARKAS
        BARKAS 25 June 2013 13: 03 New
        +8
        I agree the law should be intelligible so that it would be inconsequential to issue such pearls!
        Journalist Olga Romanova called the newly opened Federal Military Cemetery “a pet cemetery” in her blog.
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 26 June 2013 17: 01 New
          -1
          What a horror ... fool
      2. Denis
        Denis 27 June 2013 01: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: Polar
        Yarovaya will explain to you that Gozman did not rehabilitate Nazism, but equated "Stalin's bloody crimes" with the crimes of Nazism, and this position is supported by all "enlightened humanity", starting with Prime Minister Medvedev and President Putin, and ending with Svanidze with Pozner and Gozman, and all admirers and idolaters of the unwilling Solzhenitsyn.
        The "law" promoted by Yarovaya will only have to condemn those who directly justify the crimes of Nazism
        Is this Duma ... then not engaged in empty concussion?
        Quote: Polar
        Here is such a prostitute pseudo-law and promotes spring
        And who is she after that, although before that, such ... they don’t immediately become
        They got these idle chatting elected people
        And someone else believes and protects them ...
  4. avant-garde
    avant-garde 25 June 2013 07: 37 New
    +6
    Well, and Experienced says that homosexuals must be ignored, and from them it turns out there is no escape request
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 26 June 2013 17: 03 New
      0
      The counter question is where do you live that there’s nowhere to get away from them? wink
      I’m in Moscow, but I haven’t met any wink (well, or did not notice)
    2. Denis
      Denis 27 June 2013 01: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: avant-garde
      Experienced says homosexuals should be ignored
      So that they continue to rage?
      France has already grown
  5. Vanek
    Vanek 25 June 2013 07: 38 New
    +2
    intends to introduce a new edition of the bill on criminal punishment for the justification of Nazism.

    That is, if someone says, they say, Nazism is good, it's good. Will he be "imprisoned" or fined? So? It turns out that the so-called skin-heads, the Benderians in Ukraine and whoever else is there should be punished for this. So?

    Or am I not understanding something?
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 25 June 2013 08: 02 New
      +4
      Quote: Vanek
      It turns out that the so-called skin-heads, benders in Ukraine and who else is there should be punished for this. So?

      Greetings, Ivan. hi
      So, only it’s still necessary to get to Bendera’s, let’s get, with God's help.
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 25 June 2013 09: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        So,


        Well, if so, then why are people against such a law? It will be extremely unpleasant for me, as a man whose two grandfathers died in that war, if someone tells me: “Nazism is good.” I am not against such a law. Only it needs to be thought out. And so to promote from the floundering bay.

        I think so.

        Eugene hi
    2. Denis
      Denis 25 June 2013 10: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: Vanek
      the so-called skin heads
      Everything is more complicated with these. I haven’t seen our Westerners. In vain they are busy with this Nazi symbolism, in our country it’s like a sentence. They would have been replaced, the Führer was far from them and would have driven migrants, then they would be provided with the love and support of citizens
      Or is it a cunning counter-propaganda of the tolerasts, to focus on their Nazi bells and whistles?
    3. cdrt
      cdrt 26 June 2013 17: 05 New
      0
      Hmm ... and the topic is ... very complicated.

      Yes, Russian fascists are the same as German Nazis, i.e. unequivocal evil.

      But, after all, it was the Russian fascists who were the force that began the struggle (Manezhnaya) against illegal migrants and the dominance of Caucasians ...
  6. krasin
    krasin 25 June 2013 07: 39 New
    10
    By the way, Leonid Gozman now decided to defend his honor and dignity

    Gozman Gozman, something too often he flickers. And in no way can he close his mouth ???
    Natsik divorced in power. But the law is needed!
    1. builder
      builder 25 June 2013 09: 24 New
      +5
      .And you can’t close his mouth ???
      Can! The old proven way - ice ax.
      1. Firstvanguard
        Firstvanguard 25 June 2013 13: 41 New
        +3
        Keep drinks give ice axes to the masses wassat angry
    2. Denis
      Denis 25 June 2013 10: 19 New
      -1
      Quote: krasin
      Natsik divorced in power
      Gozman Natsik, as it sounds absurd. He would have the first heap from them
      1. S-200
        S-200 25 June 2013 12: 49 New
        0
        no need to confuse German Nazism imbued with anti-simitism and "Nazism" as a concept ...
  7. fenix57
    fenix57 25 June 2013 07: 43 New
    +8
    "The Criminal Code of the Russian Federation with a new article entitled" Rehabilitation of Nazism. "- WILL BE LITTLE, up to dozens need to be raised, without penalty alternatives! hi
    1. Pit
      Pit 25 June 2013 07: 48 New
      +5
      Quote: fenix57
      up to dozens must be raised, without penalty alternatives!

      Better 12 without the right to peripiski (read as "the highest measure of social protection")
  8. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 25 June 2013 07: 44 New
    10
    They would have adopted this law. From gnusmanov would be good help. Just something time and fines are not enough.
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 25 June 2013 08: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: stock buildbat
      They would have adopted this law. From gnusmanov would be good help. Just something time and fines are not enough.

      From these vultures can only help in large doses!
      Keep away from the media, all these gozman, Svanidz, Mlechins and others, as far as possible!
    2. family tree
      family tree 25 June 2013 09: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      They would have adopted this law. From gnusmanov would be good help. Just something time and fines are not enough.

      So they have a tongue that pomelo, a relapse is guaranteed. "Out, blurted out, in jail, out, blurted out, in jail, romance" (almost a quote) fellow
  9. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 25 June 2013 07: 45 New
    +8
    The neoliberalism of such gozman has completely discredited liberalism itself. Gozman Bravo! The more you open your mouth, the less followers you will have.
    1. Forest
      Forest 25 June 2013 08: 26 New
      +2
      "Lampshades" any idea, from socialism to democracy, will turn into "chutzpu".
    2. Ded_smerch
      Ded_smerch 27 June 2013 09: 51 New
      0
      Do you want to discredit a liberalist, give him the opportunity to say what he thinks;)
  10. mogus
    mogus 25 June 2013 07: 47 New
    11
    liberals do not particularly hide that they want to give the country to the west
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 June 2013 07: 58 New
      +8
      Quote: mogus
      liberals do not particularly hide that they want to give the country to the west

      So forgive me. And they from whom receive a salary ??? Who pays, then orders hi
      1. mogus
        mogus 25 June 2013 08: 23 New
        +1
        I do not argue ... I read the news on the "question", I felt sad recourse
      2. mogus
        mogus 25 June 2013 08: 23 New
        0
        I do not argue ... I read the news on the "question", I felt sad recourse
    2. slav4ikus
      slav4ikus 25 June 2013 08: 55 New
      +2
      expel all liberals from the country without the right to return!
    3. family tree
      family tree 25 June 2013 09: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: mogus
      liberals do not particularly hide that they want to give the country to the west

      Duck, though. Well, they will give Russia to the West, so what? They will be immediately removed from allowance, as unnecessary, and since they don’t know how to turn bags, they are threatened with extinction. So scratch your turnips, you need to sit on a bitch and shockly cut it, otherwise there will be no money. But you’ll cut it completely, there will also be no money. Yes, popatos, however belay "How scary to live!" (C)
    4. vadimN
      vadimN 25 June 2013 11: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: mogus
      liberals do not particularly hide that they want to give the country to the west

      Some analogies suggest itself ... Let them not be direct, but quite clearly visible.
      So:
      1. The world is now on the verge of great cataclysms, both military and political. It’s like in the late thirties of the 20 century.
      2. To survive in these cataclysms, we need a united country, held together by the spirit of patriotism and a single idea. In the thirties, Russia was on its way to this state, but it still felt the consequences of the internal party struggle between the Trotskyists, Leninists, Bukharinites and other factionalists. We see a certain semblance of such confusion in the minds of current politicians and public figures, one way or another influencing popular opinion.
      3. "Disorder" and factionalism - in any country and in any regime, it is the "fifth column" that plays into the hands of the enemy. How to get rid of this threat? Stalin solved this issue in his own way - tough and effective! How will we solve it? And in any case, it will have to be decided, because otherwise the home-grown liberals will give the country with the giblets to the "overseas uncle."
      4. Never in history and in any country of the world has there been a precedent for resolving the issue of the "fifth column" peacefully. Something deep down tells me that Russia is no exception.
      5. Thinking logically, you begin to understand and justify the actions of Stalin on the verge of a great war, and yet - you begin to understand that all this will have to go through the second round. Probably in a milder version, but it will have to, because there is no other alternative. Either Russia will meet the world mess as a united and morally strong country (which guarantees (for the umpteenth time) our victory), or the liberals will drag Russia to pieces and sell them in small wholesale.
  11. Denis
    Denis 25 June 2013 07: 48 New
    +6
    By the way, Leonid Gozman now decided to defend his honor and dignity (and he, he believes, has them ...)
    Where from !?
    He is from Rusnano, and who rules nanotechnology should (and disgusting) remember?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 June 2013 08: 00 New
      +6
      Quote: Denis
      He's from Rusnano, and

      I strongly doubt that working in Rusnano he represents the interests of Russia and I don’t think that he was interested in the development of the company. Quite the contrary.
  12. Skarte
    Skarte 25 June 2013 07: 58 New
    +6
    It’s not just like that. I won’t be surprised if Gozman leaves his post in the near future.
    1. anip
      anip 25 June 2013 08: 04 New
      10
      Quote: Skarte
      I won’t be surprised if Gozman leaves his post in the near future.

      Based on the experience of the last two decades - g ... does not sink, pops up somewhere in a new leadership position.
      1. Skarte
        Skarte 25 June 2013 10: 45 New
        +1
        Anything can be. Hope that only in the position of director of Russian Sewerage Technologies laughing him there is the place!
        1. 225chay
          225chay 25 June 2013 16: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: Skarte
          Hope that only in the position of director of "Russian Sewerage Technologies" he belongs there!

          Oh ... just not there !!
          thanks to him, the sewage discharge system will completely fail. Shit floods the country to the ears. At the uranium mines, the very place to wave is the Kyle
    2. Denis
      Denis 25 June 2013 10: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Skarte
      I won’t be surprised if Gozman leaves his post in the near future.
      A non-sinking redhead his boss?
      1. Skarte
        Skarte 25 June 2013 10: 46 New
        +1
        Yeah, he is the most red cockroach)
        1. lapis lazuli
          lapis lazuli 25 June 2013 23: 17 New
          0
          Quote: Skarte
          he is the most red cockroach
          these creatures are tenacious, even radiation does not take
          check on it
  13. Victor Kamenev
    Victor Kamenev 25 June 2013 08: 04 New
    17
    It is very appropriate to recall that in Europe a law has been passed on the responsibility for Holocaust denial. The Gozmans deny the liberation, salvific mission of the Red Army, which put an end to the Holocaust. That is, the punishment for such blasphemy should be no less severe than in Europe for the Holocaust.
  14. My address
    My address 25 June 2013 08: 17 New
    +1
    And from the photo - well, just like she hit him in the face with a little leg between his legs. And from "pleasure" his eyes turned into a heap!
  15. Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 25 June 2013 08: 18 New
    +4
    Quote: Victor Kamenev
    It is very appropriate to recall that in Europe a law has been passed on the responsibility for Holocaust denial. The Gozmans deny the liberation, salvific mission of the Red Army, which put an end to the Holocaust. That is, the punishment for such blasphemy should be no less severe than in Europe for the Holocaust.
    -
    -
    -Exactly.-
    especially since the Holocaust did not beat .- / 6 mil ./--- And the dudes, author X-ta, started with 40 mil actually, then sober up, and stopped at 6 mil, - / - / - Proven long ago / 30 years ago /, and Heb. experts. / They, essno, were immediately elevated to "anti-Semitic" / - Bilo somewhere approx. 300 / and not all Jews / - According to Shveits. Red Cross .--
    1. fedorovith
      fedorovith 25 June 2013 08: 58 New
      0
      Send him there, there he quickly rolled his neck, it will be crooked, not only in sight.
  16. pensioner
    pensioner 25 June 2013 08: 19 New
    +8
    Oh! Gozman and Svanidze at the logging! Nice perspective!
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 25 June 2013 08: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: retired
      Oh! Gozman and Svanidze at the logging! Nice perspective!

      And do you think that these two poets will give you a plan? wassat
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 25 June 2013 08: 29 New
        +4
        Duc both - under the fallen pine ... I see so ... crying
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 25 June 2013 08: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: retired
          I see so.

          WHAT do we smoke? wassat Predictions laughing
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 25 June 2013 08: 54 New
            0
            Quote: Ruslan67
            WHAT do we smoke?

            We are drinking. Hangover. drinks
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 25 June 2013 09: 01 New
              +2
              Quote: retired
              Hangover.

              I envy good I'm still in the process repeat
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 25 June 2013 10: 33 New
                +2
                Count it up! The teetotaler showed up !! Negative. Something was sent to me here:

                I will tell you a horror story. Suddenly come in handy.
                80s, business trip, weekend, near Dnepropetrovsk, summer, well, everything was. Without debauchery. The company turned out to be non-drinker. One of our tacos said!

                -In such a company does not drink Chi very sick, Chi very big bastard!

                - Damn it to you, pour it!

                This one probably wouldn’t answer like that ...
      2. Ded_smerch
        Ded_smerch 27 June 2013 09: 53 New
        0
        I agree, because after another week they will die, and the camp leader will have to answer as for people wassat
    2. Denis
      Denis 25 June 2013 10: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: retired
      Oh! Gozman and Svanidze at the logging!
      And posner, posner to them!
      More likely to fulfill the plan
      1. Ded_smerch
        Ded_smerch 27 June 2013 09: 54 New
        +1
        the ear of the matzo is richer in "specialists" in history will be
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  18. pensioner
    pensioner 25 June 2013 08: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: anip
    g ... does not sink, pops up somewhere in a new leadership position.


    This one won't pop up. The case is HEAVY.
  19. Petrovich-2
    Petrovich-2 25 June 2013 08: 24 New
    10
    Good law offers Spring.
    It was high time to pass such a law; perhaps less than any blatant muck would have been in books, articles, and in movie theaters.
    I am for such a law. Forgers and denunciators of the feat of the people-plant.
  20. Dimkapvo
    Dimkapvo 25 June 2013 08: 26 New
    10
    Well, the company has gathered in Rusnano! Hangmen, thieves, traitors ... Boil the door and burn it to hell! Any "unprofitable" research institute brings many times more benefits than this nasty get-together !!!
    1. bbp
      bbp 25 June 2013 08: 54 New
      +5
      RUSNANO is the headquarters of the fifth column in Russia. And who contains this apartment?
  21. pensioner
    pensioner 25 June 2013 08: 27 New
    11
    Spring - punching woman. Gozman can safely begin to dry crackers and stock up with petroleum jelly. He will need a lot of it.
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 25 June 2013 09: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: retired
      Gozman can safely begin to dry crackers and stock up with petroleum jelly.

      No, well, I know a lot about life, but are crackers spread with Vaseline !? belay wassat
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 25 June 2013 09: 47 New
        +2
        !!!!!!!!!!!!!! +++++++++++++++++++++++++
        Stop it ... And then again they came from below. They asked "Is everything okay?"
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 25 June 2013 09: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: retired
          Stop ... And then again came from below.

          The tops can’t do it anymore and the lower classes want the same and they need a vegetable with the letter X throughout the makeup laughing
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 25 June 2013 10: 04 New
            0
            Quote: Ruslan67
            and they have a letter X on all makeup?

            Did you try the CEO? So I won’t ...
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 25 June 2013 10: 09 New
              +3
              Quote: retired
              I tried to the general director

              Repeatedly good I’ve been Deputy Director General four times in my life fellow Oh! how I drove them with a pug around everything that fell under it ... wassat
            2. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 25 June 2013 10: 11 New
              +3
              But there were gentlemen who do not like us request Cons flew like files to the south laughing Have a nice trip
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 25 June 2013 11: 42 New
                0
                in jooo poo gozman fly chel? Tady let them fly. And then I already started looking at breadcrumbs with Vaseline ....
  22. ded10041948
    ded10041948 25 June 2013 08: 27 New
    +1
    Do these liberals refer to the West? But it’s impossible ... to be brought under the law on responsibility for Holocaust denial? Lawyers, tell me. My knowledge is not enough.
  23. Ulysses
    Ulysses 25 June 2013 08: 31 New
    +5
    The law is clumsy, but very necessary.
    Otherwise Menshov finds the courage and courage to say "I will not present this prize to them."
    And the state is washing and pretending that everything is fine.
    This is me about the libel movie "Bastards". sad
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 25 June 2013 13: 41 New
      0
      Could you please elaborate more?
  24. Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 25 June 2013 08: 31 New
    +2
    Quote: Ruslan67
    It seems that the gozman is one of those who are able to bring even Theodor Herzl to an acute attack of anti-Semitism request

    "Anti-Semitism is a weapon of Zionism" -
    - / T. Herzl / winked
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 25 June 2013 09: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: 20 kopeek
      "Anti-Semitism is a weapon of Zionism" -
      - / T.Herzl / winked

      Gazweh !? bully
    2. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 25 June 2013 09: 21 New
      +2
      For ironic connoisseurs, this is a reference to the Strugatsky-Weighed down by Evil
  25. alexkross83
    alexkross83 25 June 2013 08: 42 New
    +2
    The law has been adopted since 2009, and they won’t accept it at all .. wait until the Liberstes, together with the West and the Anglo-Saxon nicknames completely rewrite history?
  26. valokordin
    valokordin 25 June 2013 08: 56 New
    +1
    The law against Nazism is needed and the sooner the better, and this adviser to the Red enemy of the people is not a descendant of the chosen people who fought against the USSR in the Finnish army?
  27. Averias
    Averias 25 June 2013 08: 59 New
    +1
    Looked at the photos, do they look like that in real life? My dear mother, and such individuals are in power. The fate of the country is decided. Sick to watch. One is "more beautiful" than the other. It is understandable, with such "persons" only in opposition and liberals to sign up. You see, Western plastic surgeons will correct the flaws. Although it certainly does not add intelligence.
  28. individual
    individual 25 June 2013 09: 14 New
    +4
    The information field has recently been devoted to Western Tolerasts and their perversions.
    Local liberals, anticipating their worthlessness and oblivion in public relations, Gozman’s actions reminded themselves.
    All of their fabrications of the USSR are even worn off by Western puppeteers and try to open a new page in the struggle against the past.
    Uliana Skoybeda's instant rebuke caused a stupor in the "fifth column" and confusion.
    But Gozman’s goal to split society has not been achieved.
    The actions of the Soviet SMERSH and the criminal Nazi SS units are incompatible, and this was confirmed by the Nuremberg trials of 1946.
  29. ded10041948
    ded10041948 25 June 2013 09: 19 New
    +4
    If Gozman has such a face by Yarovaya’s efforts ... I’m ready to kneel before her, present a bouquet and repent of all sins. Well done photographer! Cheered up.
  30. tarks
    tarks 25 June 2013 09: 26 New
    +2
    Speaking of parallels and equals. Yesterday I watched a defect on Rex Stout - "Murder (or Murder) of a Policeman" with Timothy Hutton and Maury Chaikin lol ) There too already put an equal sign between Hitler and Stalin (August 2002). In the literary original (1952) this more no. Set amid, in between cases, in the background.
  31. Fox
    Fox 25 June 2013 09: 27 New
    +3
    the inability of the authorities to determine the ideology and direction of development of the state generates distracting similarities of laws for idiots. just like in the west: they compose laws for dibilov. drive ty gozmans a filthy broom from TV and all the gentlemen ... and that’s it.
  32. The gentleman
    The gentleman 25 June 2013 09: 32 New
    +2
    gentlemen, you look at his stupid expression on his face. and Mrs. Yarovaya is a fascist in her face, too cunning and, apparently, an attempt to show herself or to promote someone's interest.
  33. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 25 June 2013 09: 37 New
    +4
    If it were not for the “bloody dictator Stalin” with the Red Army and SMERSH, would there be many “Gozmans” now living on the planet?
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 25 June 2013 14: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Фкенщь13
      If it were not for the “bloody dictator Stalin” with the Red Army and SMERSH, would there be many “Gozmans” now living on the planet?

      Yes, and even as - at least 2/3 of the leadership of Nazi Germany had a significant share of "God's chosenness" in their blood. And where did the first formulated fascist ideology, with its division into neighbors, foreigners and aliens come from?
      1. FunkschNNX
        FunkschNNX 25 June 2013 17: 15 New
        0
        At the expense of the pedigree of the Reich elite - there were so many whistleblowers that you can’t even make out where the truth is and where the myth is. And their god spoke well to aliens.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 25 June 2013 18: 08 New
          0
          Quote: Фкенщь13
          At the expense of the pedigree of the Reich elite - there were so many whistleblowers that you can’t even make out where the truth is and where the myth is.
          Here it is enough to look at the last name or appearance.

          And their god spoke well to aliens.
          True, since an alien is a person from a neighboring tribe, that is, to a certain extent, a neighbor. But the attitude towards foreigners - foreigners - is fundamentally different from their attitude towards aliens.
  34. Sinbad
    Sinbad 25 June 2013 09: 59 New
    +1
    The law needs to be finalized: those who are seen in propaganda of national socialism, fascism, changing historical reality and the blackening of Russian history, in addition to the measures listed in the law, are forbidden to occupy leading and responsible posts and public speeches of any kind (including the Internet) for life.
    1. ded10041948
      ded10041948 25 June 2013 10: 21 New
      0
      Have pity on the "unfortunate" red-haired ... You leave him without a substitute!
  35. Rider
    Rider 25 June 2013 10: 06 New
    +9
    well, add a couple more statements of neoliberals

    and then you decide whether you need a law or not.

    "Conscience of the nation" responded to the opening of the Russian analogue of Arlington cemetery

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/540/nzgm50.jpg

    these words were spoken about the opening of the memorial to the soldiers who fell for the fatherland.
    1. ded10041948
      ded10041948 25 June 2013 10: 22 New
      +5
      On trial a bitch!
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  36. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 25 June 2013 10: 06 New
    +5
    The Americans have some kind of ideology for bringing democracy to the world, Europe has an ideology of permissiveness and tolerance, China has an ideology, every powerful world power must bring some idea to the world. Try Gozman to say something about the Communist Party in China, or to question the missionary activities of the United States, they would have taken him directly from the program under white hands and taken away in an unknown direction. In this regard, Russia at the moment is an ammorphous mass or dough that can be kicked as you like, for whatever reason. only when the generation of defeatists and thieves of the 90s, who surrendered the USSR, who feel good to sit in their quiet, warm, rotten place and observe the "common European" values ​​invented for degenerates, will leave.
  37. Uhe
    Uhe 25 June 2013 10: 08 New
    +2
    And who keeps Gozman in the civil service? gozman - sovereign man :) If his superiors - both direct and indirect - would not like Gozman’s words, Gozman would have gone a long way, but he continues to spoil the air in a highly paid position. This is not the 37th year, yeah. For Arakcheev, Budanov and other guys, he was 37th, and for Gozman - high pay and freedom of speech.
    1. Ulysses
      Ulysses 25 June 2013 10: 22 New
      +2
      Drive Gozman and his boss Chubais.
      1. Tankomaster
        Tankomaster 25 June 2013 10: 42 New
        +2
        Gozman in his statement showed complete lack of knowledge of the history of the Great Patriotic War, similar functions of SMERSH were carried out by SD units - security services.
        But the point is not that he does not know, but that he is outwardly ugly and he is a model of degeneration of not only physical but also moral.
        It’s a pity to even dirty such a hand, but it would be worth it to raise him in a frontal place with a whip. Probably a little flogged him ....
  38. Dejavu
    Dejavu 25 June 2013 10: 26 New
    +3
    Everything is very simple - Russia has a victory over fascism, this is not just a victory, but the triumph of justice over pure evil. The triumph of the PEOPLES of the now post-Soviet territory. The peoples whom this victory will unite until the last veteran dies, and until Stalin and the USSR are equated with Hitler and fascism in general. Thus, as long as the memory of War and Victory is still alive, we have a potential ideological foundation for a favorable subsequent unification, even if we will be called a "customs union", and even if "old friends" is not important at all. Therefore, the theme of the Second World War and everything positive that is connected with this should be tainted by liberal shit, but as thick as possible. Our task and the task of the government is to build such a high BARRIER from this, which only our constitution will allow. Imprison, fine, block websites, IPs of individuals and more. And what does Gayrope say to all this? - and not FSUs?
    1. ded10041948
      ded10041948 25 June 2013 10: 35 New
      0
      Namesake!
      I understand the emotions! Nevertheless, please be kind enough to correct the text, otherwise it gives a twofold interpretation of you as a person.
      This refers to the phrase: "while Stalin and the USSR are not equated in merit with Hitler and fascism in general."
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      2. Dejavu
        Dejavu 25 June 2013 10: 47 New
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        until Stalin and the USSR deserve their merits with Hitler and fascist Germany as a whole *
  39. fenix57
    fenix57 25 June 2013 10: 28 New
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    It's time! am As they say, comments are superfluous:
    1. tverskoi77
      tverskoi77 25 June 2013 11: 26 New
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      Well, who will take him if he works for specialists? Under the control of the opposition, you know) Democracy without it is no longer democracy, but it’s impossible.
    2. Leisure
      Leisure 26 June 2013 20: 38 New
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      Yeah, on the pitchfork of cosmopolitan.
  40. Ivga_lis
    Ivga_lis 25 June 2013 10: 33 New
    +5
    For some reason, some liberal media have freedom of speech = permissiveness. And as soon as one of the Duma members had the initiative to punish the fault of the history of the country and its people, it immediately caused severe pain in some parts of the body of certain representatives of these media. In general, it is not surprising - WWII is a favorite topic for meditation by Gozmans, Svanidze and Co. (famous patriots of the Fatherland).
    As well as a favorite theme for pseudo-truthful movie masterpieces such as "4 days in May", "Nameless - one woman in Berlin", telling an unenlightened public about the atrocities of Soviet soldiers and about the unfortunate raped Germany.
    I wonder if this bill will fall under this bill for the costly vigilance of barin Mikhalkov, aka "Citadel" and "Anticipation", telling the dark serfs about the fact that in fact the country was defended by penalty boxes, while the soldiers (fathers and grandfathers of most moviegoers) retreated, sparkling heels, and the commanders were drinking.
    And how severe the pain of the liberal media is, one can judge by the way the draft law proposed to the Spring is presented to the public

    Three years in prison for reckless criticism of SMERSH punitive detachments - this may become a reality soon, right after the State Duma passes the law on “rehabilitation of Nazism”. Its author, MP Irina Yarovaya, believes that criminal responsibility should be introduced for denying the role of fighters against Nazism.

    http://tvrain.ru/articles/tri_goda_za_kritiku_krasnoj_armii_jarovaja_predlagaet_
    zakon_o_reabilitatsii_natsizma-346389 /
    1. ded10041948
      ded10041948 25 June 2013 11: 17 New
      +3
      Quote:
      “I wonder if this bill will fall under this bill for the costly exhilaration of Barin Mikhalkova, aka Citadel and Anticipation, who tells the dark serfs about the fact that the country was actually defended by penalty boxes while the soldiers (the fathers and grandfathers of most moviegoers) were retreating, flashing heels, and the commanders were drinking. "

      Does this "master" consider himself a nobleman? In the days of the Russian Empire, normal nobles would not shake hands with him. The code of noble honor ordered to shoot for such "bloopers"! This was the only way to preserve the honor of the nobleman and the integrity of the family.
      1. 225chay
        225chay 25 June 2013 17: 06 New
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        Quote: ded10041948
        The code of noble honor ordered to shoot for such "bloopers"! This was the only way to preserve the honor of the nobleman and the integrity of the family.

        Flashing lights and "shoot"?
        What a nobleman ...
        What an honor
  41. Bezarius
    Bezarius 25 June 2013 10: 35 New
    +1
    Over to send this moron to resign
  42. keddr
    keddr 25 June 2013 10: 40 New
    +1
    Yes ... Gozman is not a Gozman.
    The lack of educational work is evident.
  43. Constantine
    Constantine 25 June 2013 11: 01 New
    +3
    I propose, in case of inhibition of the bill, to support it with signatures of citizens. For nefig. :)

    And Gozman is enchanting. I wonder who he takes from. :)
    1. ded10041948
      ded10041948 25 June 2013 11: 05 New
      +2
      From any fly!
  44. DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 25 June 2013 11: 06 New
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    The main mistake of the liberals of Russia of all times is that they think that they know better than the people what is good and what is bad for the people themselves. But at the same time, their activities, for some reason, are always combined with striking (with blatant!) Disregard for the people themselves. Why the Gozmans cannot understand that the concepts (SMERSH), (Stalin), (USSR) are associated with the people of the People with what exactly brought good to the whole people ??? Why do the Gozmans consider it permissible for themselves to perceive the people as a stupid mass? And this despite the fact that such "intellectuals", looking inseparably into the eyes, robbed everything! people in the 90s ... Bastards !!! They also dare to pretend that they are within at least some! moral standards ...
    1. Forest
      Forest 25 June 2013 12: 44 New
      +4
      You are confusing the concept of "people" with us and "gozmans" are different. We are talking about the people inhabiting our country (and those who accept our traditions), and the gozmans are talking about their people.
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 25 June 2013 14: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      The main mistake of the liberals of Russia ...
      Gozman is not a liberal - he is a neoliberal, to say the fascist.

      But at the same time, their activity, for some reason, always involves a striking (with blatant!) Disdain for the people themselves.
      Precisely because under the guise of liberal values, "values" of the neoliberal-fascist persuasion are being pushed all the time.

      Why can't Gozmans understand that the concepts (SMERSH), (Stalin), (USSR) of the People are associated with what brought benefits to the whole people ???
      They understand perfectly well - that is why they are stubbornly trying (and quite successfully) to discredit communism as an idea of ​​justice, and Stalin as a personification of this idea.

      Why do Gozmans consider it permissible for themselves to perceive the people as a dumb mass?
      Because this is not their people (they just do not have a people, but have a class), and because there is a reason to perceive the people in this way (otherwise gozmans among the people simply would not have survived).

      And this despite the fact that such "intellectuals", looking inseparably into the eyes, robbed everything! people in the 90s ... Bastards !!! They also dare to pretend that they are within at least some! moral standards ...
      And this is - neoliberalism.
  45. Vasilić
    Vasilić 25 June 2013 11: 26 New
    +3
    I think that such information will not harm the majority of those present and will not change the worldview and generally the opinion about what and how it was ..
    but why it was so, you need to explain to the young, and not just say "yes" or "no" ..
    ... the methods of tornado and the Gestapo are of course similar ... torture, etc ...
    ... the goals are also most likely similar - the fight against the "internal" enemy ...
    ...but...
    ..there is one "small" difference ... small, but very important ...
    ... the enemy of the Gestapo - hindering (briefly) the capture of the world ...
    ..the enemy for the tornado - interfering (briefly) with the fight against invaders ...
    in general, with such an attitude of all those "at the mouthpiece" to the presentation of information, such a law is certainly needed ...
    ... otherwise the events after 1942 will begin to be called the attack of the USSR on German lands ...
    and putting the smersh and the Gestapo in one line is at least stupid ..
    eg...
    ..one cuts a man to kill ...
    ..other cuts a person to save his life ...
    ..they both cut .. only one killer and the other a surgeon ...
    in modern life, the example may not be very true, but the meaning is something like this ...
    and in general, there are no "easy" decisions in war ... and there are no casualties ...
    therefore, war is contrary to common sense ...
    ... but ... if the war is started - absolutely anyone can become a victim ...
    .
    and the most important thing...
    no matter how deeply we study history, no matter how much is happening now, it’s not nations that start a war, but personalities ...
    ... the personalities we believe ...
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  47. _KM_
    _KM_ 25 June 2013 11: 39 New
    0
    Photos for the article are well selected. :)
  48. Stalin
    Stalin 25 June 2013 11: 57 New
    +1
    Gozman is moral. Otherwise, you will not name the person who shreds where he lives. The law is correct, to send all this scum to the tundra instead of deer or to rot in the mines. The excessive softness of GDP is incomprehensible. You have to be tougher. It is clear that GDP is not Stalin, but without rigidity and a firm hand, a fig can’t do anything.
  49. ed65b
    ed65b 25 June 2013 12: 02 New
    +2
    And you noticed that he disappeared from the TV screens. I became not shook hands. I’m not glad that I froze, I thought he would do it as usual, saying that I’m taking a fool. But no, he aroused the Duma’s organ. And he is swaggering because of those who are on the next branch discussing how to beat the S-300 in Syria and that they wouldn’t have anything for it. He will write with blood, but on white that black. But the law is needed unambiguously and not for the rehabilitation of Nazism, but for the denial of victory and time limits of 5 and higher without fines, and the state judges will be banned from the moderator forever. hi
  50. svoboda1970
    svoboda1970 25 June 2013 12: 03 New
    0
    MP Yarovaya expressed confidence that Russia has a "serious, strong, modern legal system."
    http://www.1tv.ru/videoarchive/61224&p=371
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 25 June 2013 14: 43 New
      0
      Quote: svoboda1970
      MP Yarovaya expressed confidence that Russia has a "serious, strong, modern legal system."
      http://www.1tv.ru/videoarchive/61224&p=371

      Thanks - neighing. laughing