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Africa: development or neo-colonization?

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Recently, several major events related to the development of the “black continent” took place. At the end of May, a meeting was held in Moscow with the heads of diplomatic missions of African states. May 31 in Marrakesh launched the annual summit of the African Development Bank. 16 June in Gabon completed the second New York Forum on African Development. The attention of the whole world today is riveted on the economic development of this continent.


How is the channel "Euronews", in Marrakesh, representatives of business circles came to the annual summit of the African Development Bank. The most discussed topic of the forum was high economic growth on the continent. Africa justified the optimistic forecasts of experts: in 2012, economic growth was expressed as a record number in 6,6 percent.

At the summit, however, African problem areas were noted. The Vice-President of the African Development Bank, Stuli Ncube, said: “Obviously, economic growth was not universal. Most people are left below the poverty line. Growth quality needs to be improved. That is why at this summit emphasis was placed on structural transformations. It is they who, along with economic growth, should improve people's lives. ”

Africa’s trouble is that the continent’s high economic growth is ensured by: a) raw material exports; b) export of unprocessed agricultural products; c) the financial assets obtained are not invested in the development of the countries of the continent.

Lamido Sanusi, President of the Central Bank of Nigeria, notes that it is necessary to bring the African economy onto the road of development: “I see no reason for Nigeria to import plastic from China. The country itself extracts oil and is able to create a petrochemical industry. Similarly, there is no reason to import rice from Thailand, and tomato paste from China and Europe. We need long-term economic projects that will become self-sufficient. The challenge is to produce in Africa what you can produce here and import only the goods that you have to import. ”

The participants of the summit of the African Development Bank expressed a common opinion: the time for Africa has come.

However, experts warn of the existing shortage of qualified personnel, notes “Euronews”. Hence, one of the urgent tasks of African countries is the creation of a training system. It is planned that by 2050, the 21% of the workforce will be concentrated on the continent.

The aforementioned Lamido Sanusi had previously called on African countries to reconsider the existing “romantic” attitude towards China. His words were cited by Alexander Bondarenko ("But"), told about the African strategy of the Middle Kingdom.

In China, energy consumption is increasing: since 2001, it grows by about 13% per year. Giant energy demand in China is associated with steel production. China accounts for over a third of global steel production. In 2010, the PRC needed 8,36 million barrels of oil per day. China pushed the US into second place and is the main importer of raw materials on the planet. The PRC imports about a quarter of the world's fossil and fuel. And the most attractive commodity market is Africa. In addition, the African continent in the future - a huge market.

Today, one of the techniques of Chinese market expansion is the use of the thesis of community historical the fate of China and Africa. The emphasis here is on the general former dependence on the Western powers during the period of the colonial past. With such an argument, the PRC seems to show a sense of solidarity with the Africans.

It is noted that the Celestial Empire pursues a smart economic policy in relation to its African "colonies". In 2009, the PRC reset the import duty on 95% of goods from the poorest countries of the “black continent”. In exchange, the Chinese get access to the bowels.

Alexander Bondarenko cites material from the Financial Times, written by Lamido Sanusi: “China buys raw materials from us and sells goods to us. But this is precisely the essence of colonialism, ”he writes. - The epoch of the Non-Aligned Movement, which united us after the break with the metropolises, is over. China has ceased to be the same developing country - now it is the second economy of the world, capable of the same forms of economic exploitation as the West. His economic policy contributes significantly to the deindustrialization and underdevelopment of the continent. ”

According to the same "Financial Times", from 2000 to 2012. African countries trade with China grew 20 times and reached 200 billion dollars. However, the share of industrial production in the continent's GDP fell from 12,8% to 10,5%.

The author also emphasizes that the PRC is building infrastructure on the continent solely through its own specialists. Sanusi sees a way out in investment in education and in building infrastructure with his own, that is, African forces.

Said Gafurov, scientific director of the Institute of Applied Oriental and African Studies, whom Andrei Ivanov spoke with"Free press"). He noted that the Europeans "outright" lose economic competition to the Chinese and Indians, as well as to national companies in South Africa. This is where Euro-neo-colonialism comes from, examples of which are cases in Mali, Côte d'Ivoire and Libya.

“China plays a very positive role. The Chinese have opened their Confucius Institutes in dozens of countries. Today, the Negroes are learning Chinese at home, and soon they will go free to get a higher education in the PRC. And how can we not miss this next generation.

Europe has chosen a different path. It is trying to push aside us, and the Chinese, and Indians, and independent African national leaders with military force. ”


A little more than a week ago, the second New York Forum on African Development completed its work in Libreville. Seven hundred politicians and businessmen participated in the conference. The former adviser to the two US presidents, Clinton and Obama, Larry Summers, was also present there. He said that the development of Africa is the most promising process of the 21st century.

Correspondent "Euronews" Francois Chignac conveyed: “While Europe is trying to break the deadlock, ironically, here in Africa, the green light is on for economic development and in some countries economic growth is observed. Problems, of course, remain. There is poverty, a population explosion continues, problems have health, safety, good governance, but Africans do not turn away from these problems, on the contrary. They exchange ideas, initiate and develop different programs. That was what was discussed during the three-day New York Africa Forum in the capital of Gabon, Libreville. ”

It clarifies that African development focuses on combating violence, corruption and capital flight abroad. Today, illicit cash flows amount to 1,3 billion dollars; This amount is four times higher than the external debt of the whole continent! Africa is a “mosaic” of 54 countries; there live one and a half thousand ethnic groups. At the same time, the continent of Africa needs geostrategic innovations. They will allow Africans to confidently identify themselves in the international arena.

“The economy of Nigeria is growing at an unprecedented pace,” says the founder and head of the Paramount Group, Ivor Ishikovich. - But no single country can not break away from all the others. African countries must come together and make their economic takeoff become a reality. For a long time, I have been calling for cooperation among the leading economies of Africa. I compared this with the example of cooperation of the BRICS group of countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa). Therefore, it was about creating some African BRICS. This would bring these economies together and create a climate that would be attractive to outside investors. ”

Andrey Ivanov ("Free press") in the article “New redistribution of Africa” cites the statement of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Sergey Lavrov, made by him on May 30 at a meeting with the heads of diplomatic missions of African states in Moscow. He said that Russia from all the G8 countries wrote off the black continent most of all debts.

According to experts, Russia forgave Africa more than 20 billion dollars. The bulk of the debt remained from the Soviet era. Today, the Russian Federation is actively involved in various humanitarian programs on the “black continent”.

Said Gafurov believes that debt relief to Africa can be beneficial. The fact of cancellation itself helps to establish trusting relationships with debtor countries. This opens up opportunities for new contracts. Today, Russia can beat the West in competition on the continent.

“For example, in Guinea there are three projects for the extraction of bauxite. Two of them are controlled by Russian Aluminum, while the third is controlled by a Western company. The western firm simply extracts raw materials and exports, and our RUSAL processes it on site. That is, our company develops the national industry of Guinea, trains national personnel there. Under such conditions, any normal sane government will support our entrepreneurs. Just because we behave more honestly, we give more to the economy: a ton of bauxite costs 25 dollars, and a ton of recycled costs 150. But they honestly do not want to compete with us. In the same Guinea staged a coup and began to put pressure on RUSAL strikes and legal processes. We see direct implementation of EU directives to protect their companies by any means. ”


This last, we add, is a typical case of the manifestation of a new European colonialism.

The expert further notes that in some African countries, those who studied once in the USSR are at the helm, and Russia should “use this kind of Russophilia”.

Leonid Ivashov, President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, outlined his Russian-African vision of the journalist of the Free Press and

“After the Second World War, we had a good presence in Africa, actively supported the anti-colonial movement. And we came there not for wealth, but to help build young states. We trained thousands and thousands of engineers, managers, military. For reimbursement of expenses, we took there bananas, rare earth metals, supplied military equipment, which, frankly, there was nowhere to go after the war. In addition, we had airfields, ports for our ships. It was a major geopolitics. Today, India and China come to this continent. We are returning. ”


If China goes to the "black continent" for resources, comrade Ivashov notes, then Russia needs them to a lesser extent. But Russia needs political support from African countries. Today at the UN almost all of Africa votes for American documents. And then, it should be remembered, said Ivashov, that the world power should be present on all continents. Russia needs to have a military and cultural presence in Africa. Here it is, the vision of General Ivashov:

“The world will look like a kind of geopolitical matryoshka: Russia is renewing and gathering other countries around itself. First there will be a Eurasian Union, then we will develop the Shanghai Cooperation Organization with further development into a powerful Eurasian alliance with the participation of Russia, China, India, Iran, Pakistan, Mongolia, Afghanistan. From this bridgehead you can go to other continents. BRICS is already a new format of the future world order. ”


According to the general, Russia on the “black continent” is in an advantageous position simply because Russian culture, education and language are simpler than Chinese. Affects and Soviet experience.

Moreover, the West, as everyone already understands, only covers its aggressive plans with the words about “democracy” (imposed by rockets and bombs).

But bad luck: Russia does not have big projects in Africa, comrade Ivashov notes.

As for the approach, Western companies are “robbing the continent”, and Russia can come with “sensible projects”. Russian firms will be able to build factories there and train local personnel. This will be immediately appreciated, Ivashov believes.

Thus, Africa appears to analysts and journalists to be the newest “redivision of the world”, where economic interests have grown to geopolitical and where competition is about to become similar to the neo-colonial competition of the leading world powers. If you look at the "black continent" as the arena of struggle between the West and the East, then Russia, with its soft foreign policy and taking into account mutual benefits, unlike the exploitative expansion of China and the predatory aspirations of Europe and the USA, could stave for itself a spot on the continent, development of which Larry Summers described as the most promising process of the XXI century. In the end, the debts are written off, the location is received - and it is impossible not to use it. The case for projects.

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  1. cartridge
    cartridge 25 June 2013 08: 33
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    A Western company simply extracts raw materials and exports them, while our RUSAL processes them locally. That is, our company is developing the national industry of Guinea, preparing national personnel there. Under such conditions, any normal sane government will support our entrepreneurs. Just because we behave more honestly, we give more to the economy: a ton of bauxite costs $ 25, and a ton of processed - 150. But they don’t want to compete with us honestly.


    You read like and write correctly ... But for some reason I prefer that our company develops national industry in Guinea, and Russia, and prepares not Russian black cadres, but its Russian cadres.
    1. bairat
      bairat 25 June 2013 08: 46
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      Where can we go to Africa? Between their cities would first establish a stable connection.
      1. Check
        Check 25 June 2013 10: 54
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        road to Yakutsk (federal highway)))
        1. MG42
          MG42 25 June 2013 12: 05
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          Quote: Check
          road to Yakutsk (federal highway)))

          So these shots of 2006, that now everything remains so there?
    2. nerd.su
      nerd.su 25 June 2013 10: 37
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      Quote: cartridge
      But for some reason I prefer that our company develops national industry in Guinea, and Russia, and does not prepare the national cadres of blacks, but their Russian cadres.

      It does not interfere. And then, do not forget that many of the African projects in which our companies participate are the only things that many African countries can pay off their debts. Or so, or not at all ... And the difficulties that arise. Well this is a fight. If we are weak, why even remember that someone owes us something?
      1. zennon
        zennon 25 June 2013 14: 55
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        Quote: bot.su
        Quote: cartridge
        But for some reason I prefer that our company develops national industry in Guinea, and Russia, and does not prepare the national cadres of blacks, but their Russian cadres.

        It does not interfere. And then, do not forget that many of the African projects in which our companies participate are the only things that many African countries can pay off their debts

        We've been sponsoring blacks for decades! And what about this passage: "... Sergei Lavrov, made by him on May 30 at a meeting with the heads of diplomatic missions of African states in Moscow. He said that Russia from all the GXNUMX countries wrote off to a black man" the continent has the most debt. "
        ! What the hell have we that the money could not be put in people with housing for the order, with health care, with the army yesterday Vedmed said:? "The budget deficit for next year of 400 billion!" And niggas we fatten.!
        1. jasorgho
          jasorgho 25 June 2013 18: 35
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          do you seriously think that at least 1 ruble went to fattening how do you say niggaz?)) It's just funny! With fattened niggas I met little)) slender basically. As for the Soviet-African projects, I, as an African, am grateful that the USSR made such an attempt. But here in plain sight was forgiveness. The Soviet Union helped build hydroelectric power stations, steel mills and other heavy industries, and there were no roads or ports in Africa for all this. If you wanted to get a debt in return, then you had to think. Although these are typical Soviet mistakes, you and yourselves had such house forgivenesses. So it’s impossible to blame Soviet specialists. They really thought they were helping.
          Regarding arms debts, then forgive me ... the USSR supplied it only to those where the interests of the USSR were protected with these weapons as well. There would be no weapons - there would be no conflict, the USSR would lose influence in this country. In the end, he already lost it ... so I would see it as a bad possession and not as generosity and forgiveness of debts.
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 26 June 2013 00: 07
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            Quote: jasorgho
            There would be no weapon - there would be no conflict

            Very controversial statement! Rather, a machete would be used.
            1. jasorgho
              jasorgho 26 June 2013 14: 48
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              Well then, not a machete anymore, but a spear or bow)))
              I meant that if it was a bolt of Soviet weapons it was like you said a machete against the M16 or FN FAL. And then I think M-16 would have dealt more quickly with onions than with Kalash. And the duration of the conflicts would be much less))
              1. nerd.su
                nerd.su 26 June 2013 19: 40
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                Quote: jasorgho
                well then not a machete but a spear or bow

                In my opinion, all these weapons are still actively used on the hunt)

                Quote: jasorgho
                It was like you said a machete against M16 or FN FAL. And then M-16 I think I would deal faster with onions than with Kalash

                Again, not a fact, demand creates supply; good people would be found both in America and in Europe. Schmeissers did somehow appear in Africa.
        2. nerd.su
          nerd.su 25 June 2013 20: 09
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          Quote: zennon
          It interferes! For decades we have been sponsoring blacks!

          What are the decades that carry. However, if you are a Nazi, then it is clear ...
          The Big Eight is cool, of course. But China is not included in any eight, and has written off much more of Russia. And then he lends, but we do not. Where is China and where is Russia? So that's the point. It's not about the blacks, but about Russia, about us. If we worked like the Chinese and the economy would be planned with market elements, and not "market", then everything would be fine with both industry and blacks.
          1. zennon
            zennon 26 June 2013 18: 42
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            Quote: bot.su
            Quote: zennon
            It interferes! For decades we have been sponsoring blacks!

            What are the decades that carry.

            Have you forgotten the Soviet time? Khrushchev began, continued Brezhnev. How many decades did they keep the Nigers? The USSR regularly wrote off debts. Nigers work only under the stick, you are our internationalist! That's because you like the country gave away all kinds of scum, including kanibals, a national treasure. time does not teach! Apparently the level of intelligence is commensurate with your friends.
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 26 June 2013 20: 20
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              Quote: zennon
              Have you forgotten the Soviet time?

              You do not touch the Soviet time, not everyone is given the opportunity to understand the greatness of Soviet ideas and actions. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that greedy people like you ate during the Soviet era at night with fat under a blanket.

              Quote: zennon
              How many decades did the Nigers keep? The USSR regularly wrote off debts.

              What do you know about the structure of those debts? If the USSR supplied T-34s, PPSh and RPDs to Africa, which were inundated and sent to Africa, it was more profitable than disposed of, so do you regret them? And the newer equipment that was supplied there, for its production people did not receive a salary? The work of our specialists and military advisers from what money was paid? The USSR gave money with one hand, with the other took a part back. You may just be angry that you didn’t manage to naughty in Africa at one time? :) So it’s not too late, the work of specialists is well paid there.
              Problems with non-repayment of debts were largely formed due to mu..akov, who in the 90s began to shout "enough to feed the blacks" and EBNa, who declared that we had no interests in Africa. That's right, at first they dumped everyone, no sign, no goodbye, and then suddenly they remembered about the debts. Actions must be consistent, then everything will be fine.



              Quote: zennon
              Time doesn’t teach you anything! Apparently the level of intelligence is commensurate with your friends.

              All the same, Natsik, judging by the statement. I have normal friends, simple Soviet guys.

              Quote: zennon
              Niggas work only from under the stick, you are our internationalist!

              Did you work with them?

              And why do you ignore that China does not cry, write off debts and lend further? Nothing to say?
              1. zennon
                zennon 26 June 2013 20: 56
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                Nothing to say?

                Well, what is nothing? The greatness of the Soviet idea? Great kibuts.VVP the USSR in the late 70's was Confronting trafficking "GE" .u my grandmother received a pension of 18 rubles, while including Nigeria squander national treasure.
                Did you work with them?
                God was merciful. However, a cousin lived in mattress for 12 years. He told ... Yes, check out: http: //www.bugaga.ru/interesting/1146721903-100-faktov-o-negrah.htm
                l
                I could be wrong
                This is the only thing you are right in.
                And the newer equipment that was supplied there, for its production people did not receive a salary?
                Did it ever occur to you that it would not be bad to build housing for people instead of it? Roads? You are not offended that our country was called “Upper Volta with missiles.” I am very offended! But I have to admit that there were some reasons for this. And I never ate anything under the covers. You confuse me with the representatives of another wonderful people. I don't know what you mean by "natsik". If you care about the welfare of your country, then yes.
                1. nerd.su
                  nerd.su 26 June 2013 21: 24
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                  Quote: zennon
                  .The GDP of the USSR in the late 70s was comparable to the turnover of General Electric

                  And with such a GDP, the USSR held in the hands of half the world, well what is the effectiveness of the invested funds !!! This is not an emission machine to strain you!

                  Quote: zennon
                  God had mercy. However, a cousin lived in mattress for 12 years.

                  Do you know that mattress is not Africa, but a completely different continent?
                  There, according to your link, someone is lost, your brother probably look, otherwise it will disappear ...


                  Quote: zennon
                  And it never occurred to you that instead of it it would be nice to build housing for people? Roads?

                  Complete self-isolation did not bring any country to good. We did everything right.

                  Quote: zennon
                  You are not offended that our country was called "Upper Volta with missiles". I am very offended!

                  If you visited Upper Volta, you would be offended that you believed this false statement.

                  Quote: zennon
                  But I have to admit that there were some reasons for this.

                  If you don’t know the realities of the Upper Volta, it’s hard for me to understand why you were forced to admit that there are such reasons?

                  Quote: zennon
                  If you care about the welfare of your country, then yes.

                  And again I ask you - does China care about its welfare? Why, then, instead of caring for our welfare, do we all regret the pennies that we forgave the African countries?
                  1. zennon
                    zennon 26 June 2013 21: 57
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                    And with such a GDP, the USSR held in the hands of half the world, well what is the effectiveness of the invested funds !!!
                    The trouble is that 40% of GDP was invested in the military-industrial complex! This "holding" was based on fear, not creation. This same policy led to the bankruptcy of the country.
                    Complete self-isolation did not bring any country to good. We did everything right.
                    Nobody talks about self-isolation, all the more complete. On the contrary! It is necessary to cooperate with those who pay the bills. To trade, to be friends. But what does the niggas have to do with it?
                    If you visited Upper Volta, you would be offended that you believed this false statement.
                    I wrote about "some reasons." In particular, low GDP per capita. I know the geography well, and my brother never got lost. He talked a lot about blacks. About their intelligence, desire to work, law abidance, discipline ... left a link so that you would come to your senses from acute attacks of internationalism, but apparently later ... As for China, they follow the path we have trodden. Do not think that a beautiful fairy tale with an industrial boom will last forever. These are not their enterprises, technology. They are entirely dependent on exports. A giant bubble is blowing up there, and when it bursts it will be very hard for them. BEYOND they need Africa. But then there will be no time for it!
                    1. zennon
                      zennon 26 June 2013 22: 15
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                      Here is the link, yes there was an error.
                      http://www.bugaga.ru/interesting/1146721903-100-faktov-o-negrah.html
                    2. nerd.su
                      nerd.su 26 June 2013 22: 42
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                      Quote: zennon
                      The trouble is that 40% of GDP was invested in the military-industrial complex! This "holding" was based on fear, not creation. This same policy led to the bankruptcy of the country.

                      Not on fear, but on tragic experience. The military-industrial complex is a very profitable investment. It pulls many industries along the chain. No wonder the states pay him such attention.

                      Quote: zennon
                      Nobody talks about self-isolation, all the more complete. On the contrary! It is necessary to cooperate with those who pay the bills. To trade, to be friends. But what does the niggas have to do with it?

                      And who is it? Who to collaborate with?


                      Quote: zennon
                      . I know geography well, and my brother wasn’t lost anywhere. He talked a lot about blacks. About their intellect, desire to work, law obedience, discipline ... you left a link that you would recover from acute attacks of internationalism, yes apparently cognitive ...

                      From your link you can say that there are three types of lies: a small lie, a big lie and statistics.
                      I do not have to rid myself of the sharp principles of internationalism. I have worked with Africans and have no illusions about them. Negroes in the states is a separate phenomenon, there is a completely different story.

                      Quote: zennon
                      As for China, they are following the beaten path.

                      Have we ever built capitalism under the leadership of the communist party?

                      Quote: zennon
                      Do not think that a beautiful fairy tale with an industrial boom will be eternal. These are not their enterprises, technologies.


                      Yes, their technologies are borrowed, but, nevertheless, the whole world uses their products, from underpants to computers. Perhaps they will burst when the thread, or maybe they will come up with a thread to avoid this.

                      Quote: zennon
                      Until they need Africa. But then it will not be up to her!

                      under what conditions? smile
                      1. zennon
                        zennon 26 June 2013 23: 12
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                        I already gave a link, the former was with an error. This is an error and not a lie. China will certainly burst. The reason is the consumption is not the whole world, and production is China. They will not come up with anything. They will think for them. It’s still tolerable, but only So far. There is still not much and in Western countries there will be a social explosion. People will have nothing to buy goods because they are not paid a salary! After all, it is not they who produce these goods. And China is completely dependent on export. That's all. The beaten track -This is about the borrowing system whoever gets into it. And not just blacks. I remember hunchback forgave India 10 billion rubles. And Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua-go on! Don’t forget about retiring an old woman of 18 rubles before accusing me of petty deportment! Trade and cooperate need with paying counterparties. With Europe, Arabs, for example. Yes, even the military-industrial complex. I, the engineer does not need to explain the need for R&D, fundamental research. Yes, sometimes you need to strain when it comes to the security of the country. But you can’t LIVE in this state. Our country just n got into such a budget. And to no small degree good friends on palm trees with unflattering appetites contributed to this. In Africa, there is everything except brains and a desire to work. After that I take off, tomorrow I’m not a Negro to work!
                      2. nerd.su
                        nerd.su 27 June 2013 00: 13
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                        Quote: zennon
                        The reason is not matching consumption is the whole world, and production is China.

                        Produces not only China. There is also Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, India, Brazil, South Africa. Vietnam is growing. Germany, France, Britain and the USA have not died yet. And Russia still cannot be scrapped.

                        Quote: zennon
                        They won’t come up with anything. They think for them.

                        I wonder who is so smart and influential?

                        Quote: zennon
                        There is still not much, and in Western countries there will be a social explosion. People will have nothing to buy goods for, because they are not paid a salary!

                        Your words! Just do not believe it ...

                        Quote: zennon
                        And China is completely dependent on export. That's all. The well-trodden path is about borrowing to anyone.

                        China has a huge domestic market. Plus the market of Russia and Africa. China's borrowing system is very pragmatic.

                        Quote: zennon
                        Don’t forget about the old woman’s pension of 18 rubles before accusing me of mischief! T

                        Well, would a grandmother get 20 rubles, would it be easier for her?

                        Quote: zennon
                        It is necessary to trade and cooperate with paying counterparties. With Europe, for example, Arabs.

                        Why don't we trade with Europe? In my opinion, more than. Arabs? And we didn’t write off debts to Iraq, Libya, Egypt and others? Were they not supplying weapons to replace the one selected by the Israelis? You don't particularly like blacks. You might think that Arabs work from morning to evening. The Europeans won over us at the first opportunity in Cyprus. Relations between states are akin to relations between people. It all depends on how you put yourself. It does not matter who you're dealing - the Chinese, Africans, Europeans or North American "niggers."
                        Have a good day!
  • Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 25 June 2013 08: 35
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    So in 30 years, probably, newspapers will be published under the headline "Free the planet for the Chinese"!
    Most likely, the articles are written primarily by the West, or rather, those who have diamond business there, phobias are progressing, insanity grows stronger ... by the way, Russia also has its huge interest there, as it would be nice to quarrel us with China, no matter because of what, the main thing is to quarrel.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 25 June 2013 08: 49
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    Oleg thanks! The material is interesting. About Africa. I’m thinking: "Why do we need it?" Resources? Yes, we have so many of them that ... It is necessary to invest not in the development of minerals in Africa, but in geological exploration and development at home! After all, we don't know a damn thing what else we have! And we do not develop much of what is available due to unfavorable natural conditions. We'll buy bananas.
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 25 June 2013 10: 27
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      Quote: retired
      Resources? Yes, we have so many that ... You need to invest money not in the development of mineral resources in Africa, but in exploration and development at home

      Yes, it is necessary to develop our manufacturing industry and any commodity production. Without it, soon nobody will need the resources that geological exploration can find in us. The cost of resource extraction in Africa is much lower. When peace is established there in Africa, competition will lead corrupt officials (by the way, in African languages ​​there is no word corruption and, even, analogues smile ) to reasonable fees for production, Africans will fill up those who wish with cheap resources. And our resources, besides oil and gold, will not interest anyone but ourselves. And without our own industry, where do we spend our resources?
      Therefore, it is first of all necessary to develop your own industry. And, to the best of our ability, to participate in the extraction of resources in Africa in order to have at least some opportunity to keep our finger on the pulse of prices and to have our small benefit from the mineral resources of the African continent.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 25 June 2013 15: 11
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        Quote: bot.su
        The cost of resource extraction in Africa is much lower.

        He took a tape measure. He went to the globe. Measured. Thinking ...
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 25 June 2013 20: 13
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          Quote: retired
          He took a tape measure. He went to the globe. Measured. Thinking ...

          What did you measure and think about? Is it worth it with the blacks? smile
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 25 June 2013 21: 26
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            You are not right with blacks. He measured the distance from the E-burg to African bauxites and compared with the distance to his relatives. So I thought.
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 26 June 2013 00: 47
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              Quote: retired
              He measured the distance from the E-burg to African bauxites and compared with the distance to his relatives. So I thought.

              Do you want to say that there’s a little heifer over the sea, but the transportation of roads? The trouble is that the Rusal company is registered on the English island of Jersey. And money, by and large, doesn’t matter where to get from - from Yo-burg or from Nigeria. The road is still through the Bank of New York. But this is not so bad. The trouble is that aluminum is only being produced in Russia. But aluminum products are produced more in China and in the west. And they determine the demand, and we are only adjusting. Rusal, as a private company, doesn’t care where to bring aluminum to Europe. And if the cost of its production is lower in Nigeria, of course, the company would prefer to bring it from Africa. This is not to say that this is not at all profitable for Russia, so let it work everywhere and in Africa too.
    2. MG42
      MG42 25 June 2013 11: 47
      +2
      Quote: retired
      "Why do we need it?" Resources? Yes, we have so many that ... You should not invest in the development of minerals in Africa, but in geological exploration and development at home!

      Unfortunately, it is very short-sighted, since the resources are non-renewable oil and gas, sooner or later they will run out .. Russia exports a lot of them for green papers that print and print in the USA in 3 shifts .., you need to have alternatives and stake out a market for yourself, it’s also opportunity and influence the market and market prices ..
      Libya’s rich oil market has already been redrawn in a Western manner ..
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 25 June 2013 15: 14
        +2
        Quote: MG42
        Unfortunately, it is very short-sighted, since the resources are non-renewable oil and gas, sooner or later they will run out.


        Yes, I'm not talking about oil and gas! At one time he worked in ... In short, he knew a lot about minerals. One rare earth and only in the Urals - dig - do not dig! And East Siberia is an unmarked horse !! the same goes for oil and gas. We don’t know a damn - how much we have them !!
        1. MG42
          MG42 25 June 2013 19: 02
          +3
          Quote: retired
          And East Siberia is an unmarked horse !! the same goes for oil and gas. We don’t know a damn - how much we have them !!


          The Soviet Union succeeded everywhere, and its zones of influence were incomparable, and Russia will soon become isolated in itself, some are well within the MKAD ..
          Let Uncle Sam and the Britons develop the resources of Africa, the French still have their interest there ..
          Quote: retired
          Yes, I'm not talking about oil and gas!

          There is a lot in Africa >>>
          The bowels of Africa are rich in phosphorites, chromites, and titanium. The main reserves of ores (uranium, cobalt, copper, manganese), as well as precious minerals and metals (diamonds, gold) of the globe are concentrated on this continent. The minerals of North Africa, which include sedimentary minerals, gas and oil, are of global importance. South and central Africa is valued for igneous minerals - ores of ferrous and non-ferrous metals, as well as diamonds.
          This continent has such an unimaginable reserve that the African minerals on the map do not leave one free space, literally every millimeter of area contains one or another mineral. Africa is famous for its ore deposits, the formation of which dates back to the time of the birth of the Paleozoic. Currently, this platform is exposed at the equator and the south of the mainland, in connection with which, these areas have become the concentration of ore deposits. Thanks to this “outcrop” of ancient platforms, copper deposits in South Africa became available to the population of the planet, southern chromites are developing chromites in Southern Rhodesia, Nigeria is famous for tin and tungsten, Ghana is manganese, and the island of Madagascar can provide the entire planet with graphite. But still, Africans thank the Paleozoic for gold deposits. It may be that in some areas Africa lags behind the countries of the West, but in the sphere of gold mining this continent, represented by South Africa, has long and firmly held its leading position.

          wood to China, gas and oil to the EU .. a very technological export of Russia .. Uncle Sam will still print the greens, and bananas = technological import. wink
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 25 June 2013 21: 34
            +1
            Quote: MG42
            Maybe in some areas Africa lags behind the countries of the West, but in the field of gold mining this continent, in the person of South Africa, has long and firmly held its leadership position.

            Well, they’ll let horseradish go to gold.
            Quote: MG42
            The bowels of Africa are rich in phosphorites, chromites, and titanium.

            phosphorites - I do not know what it is. The rest is full of themselves. Not so rare.
            Quote: MG42
            ores of ferrous and non-ferrous metals, as well as diamonds.

            Full! I don’t want it.
            The only thing that's not enough is uranium. And I think that because in Kazakhstan they found in due time before a fig. No one knew how everything would turn out. In Russia, I do not know industrial deposits. They are of course, but not as famous as those of the Kazakhs. Rummage as it should - dig. don’t even go to the grandmother. Exploration urgently needs to be revived !!! Every 4 students must become a geophysicist !! well, every 7.
            1. MG42
              MG42 25 June 2013 22: 42
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              Quote: retired
              phosphorites - I do not know what it is.

              Phosphorites are sedimentary rocks composed of more than 50% phosphate minerals. Phosphorites are an important mineral, as raw materials for the production of mineral fertilizers. Phosphorites are composed of calcium phosphates belonging to the apatite group, more precisely fluorapatite. Mineralogical phosphorites are fairly uniform, therefore their main classification is structural

              On the territory of the Russian Federation they are in the Urals, in the Volga region, in the Leningrad, Moscow, Bryansk, Kaluga, Kirov and other regions of the Russian Federation
              http://bse2.ru/book_view.jsp?idn=030310&page=350&format=html
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              The only thing that's not enough is uranium. And I think that because in Kazakhstan they found in due time before a fig.

              So uranium was also mined in Russia in Transbaikalia, Chita region. and in Ukraine GOK in the city of Yellow Waters Dnepropetrovsk region ...
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 26 June 2013 00: 12
                0
                Quote: MG42
                So uranium was also mined in Russia in Transbaikalia, Chita region. and in Ukraine GOK in the city of Yellow Waters Dnepropetrovsk region ...

                Of course, I knew about Yellow Waters. I knew about Kazakhstan. There are plenty of uranium deposits in the south. I heard something about Siberia, but I don’t know. Is Russia somewhere mining it? Our Sverdlovsk-44 is working properly. It turns out that our phosphates are also full ... Well then: what do we need in Africa?
                1. nerd.su
                  nerd.su 26 June 2013 01: 04
                  -1
                  Quote: retired
                  Is Russia somewhere mining it?

                  Everywhere. Atomredmetzoloto bought a large number of enterprises that mine and produce uranium or have licenses for uranium in Canada, the USA, Africa, Australia, not counting the CIS. This is a "modest" state-owned company, so things are handled relatively quietly. But since international operations require relative transparency, those with an interest in the mining industry are aware of its success.
                  And in Africa, this company is just expanding, using, among other things, the debts of African countries to Russia (USSR). And all because Russia is eager for leaders in the nuclear industry. Builds a huge number of power plants at home and abroad. In this industry, we strongly influence demand. And the need for raw materials makes us act. And the company is state-owned, with ancillary, of course. Now, if so in all sectors.
                  Persistent rumors are circulating that among the main ones who have joined the nuclear projects, GDP is guessed ... But even if so, this is a positive factor, there is nothing more favorable for the company than the personal interest of the head of state as a result ...)
                  1. pensioner
                    pensioner 26 June 2013 03: 21
                    +1
                    Quote: bot.su
                    Persistent rumors are circulating that among the main ones who have joined the nuclear projects, GDP is guessed ... But even if so, this is a positive factor, there is nothing more favorable for the company than the personal interest of the head of state as a result ...)

                    Well, that's weird ...
                2. MG42
                  MG42 26 June 2013 01: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: retired
                  Of course, I knew about Yellow Waters. Kazakhstan knew aboutTam in the south is full of uranium deposits. I heard something about Siberia, but I don’t know. Is Russia somewhere mining it?

                  Kazan took, Astrakhan took, Revel took, Shpak did not take .. laughing
                  Quote: retired
                  It turns out that our phosphates are also full ... Well then: what do we need in Africa?

                  So already the answer was higher in this thread ..
        2. nerd.su
          nerd.su 25 June 2013 20: 59
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          Quote: retired
          One rare earth and only in the Urals - dig - do not dig! And East Siberia is an unmarked horse !!

          Shh, do not shout, the Chinese will hear, but to them, narrow-eyed, that the blacks, that the Russians are all one! smile

          Quote: retired
          At one time he worked in ... In short, he knew a lot about minerals.

          Quote: retired
          We don’t know a damn - how much we have them !!

          Well, if this is all that you knew about minerals, then we should go to Africa at the very time, all there to hell.

          Tell me, where are rare earths used? And where are these facilities located? And who plans these production? But are these productions hidden by a curtain of commercial and state secret? And if we are hidden and, accordingly, do not know the real demand, then which one will invest in the exploration and production of these rare earths? Here are the Chinese, when they need to and will invest. They will give a loan, and they will force them to buy their equipment for it. Therefore, we need our own production, and it must be developed. And when production requires resources, then we’ll find everything, explore and get it.
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 25 June 2013 21: 35
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            Quote: bot.su
            Tell me, where are rare earths used?

            The simplest thing is permanent magnets. Now China is a leader in rare earths. So what? Not the fact that they have the richest deposits.
          2. pensioner
            pensioner 25 June 2013 21: 40
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            Quote: bot.su
            Well, if that's all you knew about minerals

            A bit more. Our research reports had a chipboard signature stamp. Of course, within my competence, I knew what was supposed to be, but people often told me something while drinking a glass of tea or in a smoking room ... Yes, it was not a big secret.
          3. pensioner
            pensioner 25 June 2013 21: 51
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            Quote: bot.su
            We don’t know a damn - how much we have them !!


            Well then I said about gas and oil. In vain irony. I am in the subject. Gazprom contractors. Gazprom is now strenuously mapping new fields and calculating the volume. The department for estimating reserves in large Gazprom is busy.
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 26 June 2013 01: 07
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              Quote: retired
              The department for estimating reserves in large Gazprom is busy.

              Here I am not in the subject. but I can immediately assume that not only the reserves of new deposits are considered, there is a reassessment of old reserves according to Western methods. Ours are not very quoted, but in vain.
  • Sashkessss
    Sashkessss 25 June 2013 08: 55
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    No matter how rosy they write that only "we" are so good, but everyone understands everything perfectly - loot wins evil. Whoever writes about himself better will pull Black oil from the Black Continent. It's simple. This is business, nothing personal.
  • The gentleman
    The gentleman 25 June 2013 09: 16
    +3
    Today, Africa represents a tidbit for large countries - labor, resources, raw materials, etc. no matter how tough it sounds, but the situation is such that the businessman gives bread, and for this he gets the plant. while the situation in the Russian Federation and Africa seems to me like that. while the Russian Federation and the United States argue with each other regarding self-determination in the world, China silently and quietly takes away from here. from there intervene in politics and other areas of Africa
  • nepopadun
    nepopadun 25 June 2013 09: 42
    -4
    I'm starting to respect Putin more and more.
  • G_sl
    G_sl 25 June 2013 09: 56
    0
    Economic interests in Africa are certainly good, but before building on the African continent, we need to build factories in Russia and train local personnel and provide OUR specialists and workers with work and a decent salary !!!
  • krez-74
    krez-74 25 June 2013 10: 33
    0
    Africa has long been living in poverty because of the "civilizers and civilized" who only do what they siphon resources from this unfortunate continent!
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 25 June 2013 10: 51
      -1
      Africa lives in poverty because it wants to live like that, it cannot be called otherwise. For them, trading in resources is the most profitable option, do nothing, just sell ... Why grow something when White himself brings everything and feeds from a spoon?
      1. krez-74
        krez-74 25 June 2013 11: 07
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        They want to live like this themselves? And when did you see that they decide and choose their development path?
        As for the whites as such, their fate is sad, they are replaced in the course of color! And the whites themselves make their choice towards extinction, because they do not want to give birth to children and bring up.
      2. MG42
        MG42 25 June 2013 11: 54
        +1
        Quote: Nayhas
        For them, resource trading is the most profitable option,

        Interestingly, the export of energy carriers which line of income to the budget of Russia takes?
      3. nnz226
        nnz226 25 June 2013 16: 07
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        There is also the "entertainment" of tribal strife: representatives of a tribe (not even a nationality, and even more so, not a people, because they have not matured!) Came to power in ONE COUNTRY, and they enthusiastically slaughter members of other tribes, and then a change of power and alaverdy! Phutu (or whatever is right there) were cut by Tutsis, filled with one and a half million (!!!) - and nothing! Brief information in the news ... They screamed about Pol Pot longer ... I generally keep silent about the Holocaust and the massacre of Armenians in 1915 ...
        1. jasorgho
          jasorgho 25 June 2013 18: 17
          +2
          I will tell you that the tales of the tribes are fiction, read any African studies. Well, how can there be a tribe in 1.5 as you yourself wrote. The fact is that all these people are divided into different countries according to the interests of the Europeans-colonialists and I have a weak relationship to the real borders of residence and trade. I was born in Arfrik and my grandmother is from Ghana and my grandfather is from Cote d'Ivoire and they lived in Burkina Faso. But both of them were of the same nationality and spoke the same language, besides the fact that they knew English and French ...
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 25 June 2013 10: 56
    +1
    It is somewhat naive to believe that China, on friendly terms, will give up its place to Russia ... There is a struggle between China and the West on the African continent, but we are not allies for China in this regard ...
    By the way, this phrase “China buys raw materials from us and sells us goods. But this is precisely the essence of colonialism "refers not only to the African continent, China has a northern neighbor with which it acts similarly ...
  • spirit
    spirit 25 June 2013 12: 14
    +2
    Well, what plants will we build there? An oil-based tanning cream factory?)) There’s nothing special to offer!.. Current resource extraction and weapons.
  • zvereok
    zvereok 25 June 2013 12: 47
    0
    Lamido Sanusi, President of the Central Bank of Nigeria, notes that it is necessary to bring the African economy onto the road of development: “I see no reason for Nigeria to import plastic from China. The country itself extracts oil and is able to create a petrochemical industry. Similarly, there is no reason to import rice from Thailand, and tomato paste from China and Europe. We need long-term economic projects that will become self-sufficient. The challenge is to produce in Africa what you can produce here and import only the goods that you have to import. ”


    Is Nigeria not yet in the WTO? Not democratic.
  • individual
    individual 25 June 2013 13: 27
    -1
    Yeltsin’s policy with its Gaidar-Kozyrev policy led to the complete loss of our friends in Africa.
    Even more than that, we betrayed those who consistently followed the course of the USSR in politics and economics.
    In politics, as in physics, voids are filled. In this case, African states that deny past colonialism of the West found themselves in the network of rapidly developing China.
    Russia needs to restore Africa that we lost, the benefit is still preserved military and technical specialists who graduated from universities in the USSR / Russia.
  • KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 25 June 2013 14: 34
    0
    Africa is now Islam against Christianity. Well, as part of this Arabs against the black population.
    Let's see what happens...
  • nnz226
    nnz226 25 June 2013 15: 57
    +1
    Quote: “I see no point in Nigeria importing plastic from China. The country itself extracts oil and is able to create a petrochemical industry.” And who will work on all this? Local savages? She - will work!
    1. jasorgho
      jasorgho 25 June 2013 18: 39
      0
      do you seriously think that "DIKARI" will not be able to work in the production of plastic?)) Yes, Africa is poor, but the people there are not wild and not stupid
      1. zennon
        zennon 26 June 2013 18: 52
        0
        Quote: jasorgho
        do you seriously think that "DIKARI" will not be able to work in the production of plastic?)) Yes, Africa is poor, but the people there are not wild and not stupid

        Check out ...
        http://www.bugaga.ru/interesting/1146721903-100-faktov-o-negrah.html
  • pensioner
    pensioner 25 June 2013 16: 23
    +1
    and further. Is there any confidence that everything invested and built in Africa will be safe and sound, at least for the payback period? For some reason I don’t have ...
  • Black
    Black 25 June 2013 17: 33
    +1
    The participants of the summit of the African Development Bank expressed a common opinion: the time for Africa has come.
    The Chinese agree! Now they will walk you ....