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In Russia, the melee of the new generation

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In Russia, the melee of the new generationIn Russia, the means of close combat (SCB) of a new generation are being created. The work on the SBB is carried out, in particular, in the Bauman Moscow State Technical University, which, by competition, was chosen by the Russian Ministry of Defense as the lead developer of the new weapons.


According to the ARMS-TASS correspondent, the director of the Scientific and Production Center "Special Technique" of the Moscow State Technical University. N. Bauman (NPT "ST"), a famous scientist and designer of ammunition for the ground forces, air force and navy Vladimir Korenkov (in the picture), provided that the financing and interest of the army in this direction, experimental design work ( OCD) to create a melee of the new generation will be completed in 2014 year, and the implementation of the first state defense order (GOZ) to replenish arsenals of new ammunition will begin with 2015 year. Starting from 2014, new developments are planned, which will continue the development of the RCD currently being implemented.

"I believe that we will offer the army something new every year in order to equip it with the most modern weapons by the 2020 year, as indicated in all directive documents," he said.

In Russia, there are no plans to lag behind in working out new world challenges in the direction of close combat, the scientist believes. “Here, at MSTU, within the framework of industry science, we are addressing these issues. Acting as the lead developer for melee weapons, we are trying to draw the best forces in the country to those who are interested in and able to decide together with us “We are participating in the state defense order, we offer our solutions in tenders, we work in the interests of the Ministry of Defense. I am very optimistic about the capabilities of the specialists with whom I work and whose range is constantly ryaetsya. This means we will effectively address the challenges that exist in a call, and those that have already been delivered. "

As V.Korenkov noted, the operative tracking and understanding of new trends in the development of melee weapons made it possible to launch initiative development in the beginning in 2000-s and create the necessary groundwork. Now that the forecasts available at that time have been fully confirmed, the foundation has been successfully used to implement the state armaments program. This made it possible, in particular, to ensure that Russia is at the forefront of the development of the BSS.

“Recently, technologies have appeared that provide, despite any opposition from the enemy, a reliable connection between the shooter and ammunition at distances of the“ urban zone ”(from 0 to 1,5 km) and, thereby, allow us to solve reconnaissance and destruction tasks. there are developments that will allow in the near future to obtain a qualitative change in the nature of the ammunition and in the nature of the conduct of hostilities in cramped conditions, "said Vladimir Korenkov.

“Ammunition - a strike-reconnaissance complex is the most effective ideology,” the scientist believes. “Everything else is intelligence first, for example, a drone, and then shooting is a loss of efficiency.” At the same time, ensuring the removal of other functions to the fighter, gives, in addition to cheaper ammunition, other advantages, for example, expands the capabilities of the SSB up to its network use.

“This kind of ammunition, which simultaneously performs the functions of reconnaissance and destruction, automatically replenishes the overall collective information base across the battlefield. Therefore, this trend in the development of melee weapons with the possibility of operational reconnaissance with an automatic weapon complements the tactical level control system,” Vladimir Korenkov explained.
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  1. My address
    My address 23 June 2013 11: 01 New
    33
    Bravo! Let the enemies choke with envy and anger!
    1. My address
      My address 23 June 2013 11: 10 New
      20
      ABOUT! At McFaul in the embassy woke up! Minus, disease on the head. Wait, there will be more!
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 24 June 2013 00: 08 New
        -11
        But nothing will happen. How many Su-35s are in the troops? The potential, of course, is a shopper, who would argue, only who needs it? In the near future, there are no trends to change, alas.
    2. experienced
      experienced 23 June 2013 11: 20 New
      +1
      The main thing is a loud and formidable name, then the allocation of funding for this name and ... winked
      I wish that after spending billions of dollars on the way out there were no slippers for "close combat" with cockroaches smile
      It's not even funny about the "new generation", it's interesting they are counting generations of close combat from the teeth and fist or from the club and sling (bow) wassat There already it seems to me 200-300 generations can be counted
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 23 June 2013 11: 28 New
        +7
        Quote: seasoned
        The main thing is that at the exit, after the development of billions of dollars, there are no slippers for "close combat" with cockroaches

        Slipper is cool good , maybe the pissing rag will end, to fight squeaky cats .. wassat
        1. experienced
          experienced 23 June 2013 11: 30 New
          0
          Quote: Tersky
          maybe the pissing rag will end to fight squeaky cats ..

          Eeee, you be careful, we have claws with paws laughing And vaapsche, we are soft and fluffy yes
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 23 June 2013 14: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: seasoned
            Eeee, you be careful, we have claws with paws

            Well, not all cats are vile, laughing , there are quite intelligent and well-mannered up to the point that they can give other bipedal and a head start wink
          2. Mairos
            Mairos 25 June 2013 12: 44 New
            0
            I think that the author did not put you in the category of "weird cats". )))))
      2. SERGEYTSIKALUIK
        SERGEYTSIKALUIK 23 June 2013 12: 55 New
        -26
        Baumanka connected to the budget cut. Everyone could and this wanted to - the worse they are !!!! About annual innovations generally cool said !!!!
        1. SerAll
          SerAll 23 June 2013 15: 28 New
          +4
          Baumanka has always had good PR people ... The MO is surprising! is it possible to put eggs in one basket? R&D could be distributed to "competitors"! Under the USSR, there was always competition and breakthrough developments! but here they will just drink some money ...
        2. Simon
          Simon 23 June 2013 19: 33 New
          +1
          All stools to the nail and then the budget is enough.
      3. VAF
        VAF 23 June 2013 14: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: seasoned
        The main thing is a loud and formidable name, then the allocation of funding for this name and ... winked
        I wish that after spending billions of dollars on the way out there were no slippers for "close combat" with cockroaches


        Lyosha, he said beautifully, +! drinks

        But while ours ... are "going" (about cutting, etc., of the type of development will not yet) the adversaries have long been engaged in "smart" ammunition bully

        Raytheon has launched its own upgrade program for the 155 mm Excalibur satellite-guided artillery projectile (UAS) with GPS with the new GNU (guidance and navigation unit) equipped with a semi-active laser system SAL (semi-active laser).

        “Not a single shell fired from an artillery can be compared with the Excalibur in terms of accuracy in hitting targets, which in the current configuration gives a CVO (circular probable deviation) within 4 meters in 90% of shots.
        Now we intend to achieve the next level of accuracy, giving gunners the ability to hit moving targets by correcting the projectile’s control surfaces, ”said Raytheon Missile Systems Excalibur program director Kevin Matthies.

        The new dual-mode guidance system will modernize the arsenal of existing shells, recent tests have shown the reliability of a laser guidance system that can withstand high pressure in the channel of the gun barrel.

        The GPS / SAL guidance system will be available not only for the modernization of 155 mm shells, but also 127 mm shells for ship’s guns, which will allow hitting moving ground and sea targets. The new control kit is housed in a 127 mm shell.

        "Excalibur" has established itself as an invaluable weapon to minimize collateral damage. Now we have the opportunity to achieve the same result when firing moving targets, ”says Michelle Lohmeier, vice president of ground combat systems at Raytheon Missile Systems.

        1. es.d
          es.d 23 June 2013 14: 37 New
          13
          Sound the cost of ammunition, please. Long-range American Air-to-Air missiles have already been written that the missile and its maintenance are worth more than the target.
          1. Suhov
            Suhov 23 June 2013 16: 08 New
            +5
            Quote: es.d
            Sound the cost of ammunition, please. Long-range American Air-to-Air missiles have already been written that the missile and its maintenance are worth more than the target.

            Quote: vaf
            "Excalibur" has established itself priceless weapons to minimize collateral damage.
            1. es.d
              es.d 23 June 2013 17: 59 New
              +1
              Thank! I am at it, and laughed.
              1. Suhov
                Suhov 24 June 2013 00: 19 New
                0
                Quote: es.d
                Thank! I am at it, and laughed.

                It's my pleasure! You did it.
                smile
          2. Kyrgyz
            Kyrgyz 23 June 2013 19: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: es.d
            Sound the cost of ammunition, please. Long-range American Air-to-Air missiles have already been written that the missile and its maintenance are worth more than the target.

            in the region of $ 60k, but you need to consider that it has almost 100% efficiency, which means they need less if they work even for moving targets, this will be a serious problem on the battlefield
          3. Do not care
            Do not care 23 June 2013 19: 56 New
            +2
            Block Ib - $ 53,620
          4. Windbreak
            Windbreak 23 June 2013 22: 18 New
            +3
            Quote: es.d
            About American rockets Air to air, long-range, have already written that the rocket and its maintenance, is worth more than the target.
            You confuse something. AIM-120 costs up to 1,5 million dollars, which is a couple of dozens cheaper than the target
          5. Whale
            Whale 25 June 2013 08: 54 New
            0
            Yes, what difference does lope cost if they print this money, they all think it’s expensive, and when it arrives it will not be there before
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 23 June 2013 14: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: vaf
          But while ours ... "are going"

          Sergey, ours to you hi ! Glad to see drinks , a hundred years, a hundred winters. And ours are going somewhere winked ? Unless in Bali or the Galapogos .. yes
          1. VAF
            VAF 23 June 2013 15: 05 New
            10
            Quote: Tersky
            Glad to see drinks, one hundred years, one hundred winters.


            Victor, welcome, dear! drinks The weather was ... "not flying" waited wink



            Quote: Tersky
            And where are we going to winked nibut? Unless in Bali or the Galapogos .. yes


            well this is .. they .. love wassat Although Zhenya "infu" laid out that it seemed like ours in Cyprus ... the "air base" was offered ... the truth is not clear yet under what and how and under what conditions, but still .... this is more or less rosy hopes and plans! drinks
            1. experienced
              experienced 23 June 2013 15: 09 New
              +6
              Quote: vaf
              Although Zhenya "infu" laid out that it seemed like ours in Cyprus ... the "air base" was offered ... the truth is not clear yet under what and how and under what conditions, but still .... this is more or less rosy hopes and plans!

              Hi, Serge drinks (I wrote to you in a personal message). In all the news it passed today, like not a duck. Ours promised support in the "Cyprus issue" to support and assist in the development of carbon shelves. hi and don't forget about the "privatized" offshore denyuzhki winked
              1. VAF
                VAF 23 June 2013 15: 52 New
                +2
                Quote: seasoned
                (I wrote to you in a personal message). In all the news it passed today, like not a duck. Ours promised support in the "Cyprus issue" to support and assist in the development of carbon shelves.


                Already read and unsubscribed drinks

                The first competent decision and Putin’s actions !!! soldier

                And now I went to an article about Monterizatsi and ... my dear mother .. what is the "life-giving voice with the people doing that" belay

                "Pecked" fellow patriots of real boys at all !!!

                It can be seen they do not watch TV at all. and here I’ve just looked at news 24 and ... the Redhead's interview:
                the question is Anatoly Borisovich, but is it true that you are privatizing Skolkovo?
                The answer is yes, but what's wrong?
                the question is, so how did the state give you 900 billion dollars?
                the answer is, well, any fund, and Skolkovo is a fund, relevant for 5-7 years. so we have 2 more years! wassat belay

                I almost fell off a chair ... went for a smoke break, on YouTube reviewed it ... no, it's all right! request

                And there in the article fellow patriots spawn "caviar" ... "crushing everyone in their path" ..... whatever one may say, "you are going the right way comraz-chi" !! wassat or -KU !!! laughing
                1. experienced
                  experienced 23 June 2013 15: 56 New
                  +3
                  Quote: vaf
                  Anatoly Borisovich, is it true that you are privatizing Skolkovo?

                  Seryog, maybe Rusnano?
                  I have not heard about Skolkovo that it will be privatized belay
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 23 June 2013 16: 15 New
                    +3
                    Quote: seasoned
                    Seryog, maybe Rusnano?


                    Exactly, Lyosha ... "Ros-Na-Na"! I am under the "impressions" of the Skolkovo venture capital. wassat
                    1. Tersky
                      Tersky 23 June 2013 22: 11 New
                      +3
                      Quote: vaf
                      the question is Anatoly Borisovich, but is it true that you are privatizing Skolkovo?

                      Quote: seasoned
                      Seryog, maybe Rusnano?
                      It was time for him to privatize the bunkers in Kolyma, and privatization had to start from the moment his first voucher was released. The absurdity on a state scale continues, damn it ....
                      1. VAF
                        VAF 23 June 2013 22: 13 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Tersky
                        Seryog, maybe Rusnano?


                        Vitya, has you corrected yourself? repeat
                      2. Tersky
                        Tersky 23 June 2013 22: 19 New
                        +3
                        Quote: vaf
                        Vitya, has you corrected yourself?

                        I read, Sergey, everything is clear. This is me purely about Red Tolik, when there is already a collar for this harlot ..
                2. Mairos
                  Mairos 25 June 2013 12: 48 New
                  +1
                  Lord, when will someone "privatize" Chubais so that he will never hold a single post. Well, a person with a business mindset should not be allowed to go to public funds.
          2. Tersky
            Tersky 23 June 2013 15: 20 New
            +4
            Quote: vaf
            though it’s not clear yet under what and how and under what conditions,

            Alexey answered for me laughing , literally removed from the tongue tongue One hundred percent offshore money said its weighty word.
            1. VAF
              VAF 23 June 2013 15: 42 New
              +3
              Quote: Tersky
              literally took off the tongue


              Vitya, I didn't mean that, this is all clear, but by the conditions I meant what types, their number and weapons, or just as a base for those flying ... although this is very good, otherwise without serious air support. .... it will be a little "boring" for sailors! soldier
      4. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 23 June 2013 16: 31 New
        +2
        Duck is ... we have such shells for thirty years already how they do ...
      5. Prishtina
        Prishtina 23 June 2013 20: 46 New
        +6
        [quote = vaf] [quote = experienced]

        "Excalibur" has established itself as an invaluable weapon to minimize collateral damage. Now we have the opportunity to achieve the same result when firing moving targets, ”says Michelle Lohmeier, vice president of ground combat systems at Raytheon Missile Systems.

        [/ Quote]

        Uh-huh, aviation specialist) just forgot to mention how many Excaliburs the US Army bought in 2012 - as many as 200 for all that Artillery ... do you know why? the price tag for $ 160000 per shot)) and for this reason, in Afghanistan they hammer all the same old ones as the guano mammoth OFS for 155mm ... and Excalibur with GPS, in addition to the price tag, has a lot of disadvantages, in particular, not the possibility (or rather, uselessness) of use on a maneuverable target. And as you know, the war of the 21st century is mobile. Thus, in Afghanistan, where the Taliban are constantly maneuvering, Excalibur is like a "golden teaspoon" for scooping shit out of a huge barrel.
        In general, Teach mat.chast ... - and not handouts. And stop engaging people in VO.
        1. VAF
          VAF 23 June 2013 21: 16 New
          -4
          Quote: Prishtina
          And stop engaging people in VO.


          No need to specify what to do, but I will not tell you where to go wassat
      6. aksakal
        aksakal 23 June 2013 20: 55 New
        +6
        VAF, I understand your admiration for amerskoy military equipment, but I do not share it. And I understand, to be honest, it's getting worse and worse. I hope you will somehow stop admiring Excalibur and take a look at your Krasnopol? The fact that it has deteriorated among the Indians - so it must be stored in proper conditions. What surprised this Excalibur? Krasnopol competes well.
        WAF, didn’t you move to Israel by retirement? I understand that you will be annoyed now, but your admiration for Amer’s sucks also irritates me with all the fact that the Russians are no worse. So who will be annoyed at anyone is a big question.
        1. VAF
          VAF 23 June 2013 21: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: aksakal
          WAF, I understand your admiration for Amer military equipment, but I do not share it. And I understand, to be honest, worse and worse


          When, finally, you understand that between the "admiration" and "study" of the weapon and tactics of a potential enemy, ie. what you have to deal with, and not fellow if we tear them all, then look at everything differently!
          Well, if you manage to really "visit" somewhere and see .. what we are fighting, and what they are fighting against us ..... I do not know what to change your "irritation"!
          do not believe me .. talk to the men, there are a lot of people here who did not sit behind the "clave" in the First Chechen, they will tell you .. what they took off the unloading from the Czechs and what we had.
          Well, and as an example, the truth is not very successful, but then .. actual is you about those shells that were near Chapaevsk .. burst?
          Did you answer normally? I think yes!
          Have respect!
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 23 June 2013 22: 19 New
            0
            Quote: vaf
            Well, if you manage to really "visit" somewhere and see .. what we are fighting, and what they are fighting against us ..... I do not know what to change your "irritation"!

            I agree, you need to know what they are going to fight. But in this case, in guided artillery shells, the Russians were definitely not inferior to the Amers, in which they had their advantages, in some ways the Russian weapons had their advantages, as usual. As for annoyance, as I ask an innocent question, you flare up and take it to heart. Therefore, my question was whether I left for permanent residence in Israel and I immediately warned them not to get annoyed, but simply answered whether they left or not.
            Recently, I have not seen a single post of yours in favor of Russian weapons. About two years ago, you had much more optimistic posts - when you reassured about the SU-34 (there were some flaws) - everything will be fine, we will work and will soon fix it, then recently - more and more praise of the Inossian weapon, namely, praise. Excalibur sucks, ask the experts. If we are to study weapons, then this is how a series of press about "Merkava" was carried out here. Mind you, it doesn't say what bad tanks they are - not a word about that! On the contrary, like, tanks for their theater of operations (desert and mountainous affairs) are excellent. And then - and then - after describing the design features, it is stated how and what is best to eliminate. This is the kind of study I like if you insist on studying enemy weapons !!!! Only this !!!!! You have presented promotional material on Excalibur, not a word - how to level its combat abilities and so on.
            This does not suit me, this is your last vector. I understand that you are critical of the leadership of the country, but an excessive critical attitude can evolve into an anti-Russian mood easily. I urge you to return to patriots again.
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 23 June 2013 22: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: aksakal
              I urge you to return to patriots again.


              I apologize for interfering.
              I don’t know your name and patronymic, well, in my opinion about Sergey’s patriotism (vaf), you are a little bent, to say the least, and as regards permanent residence in Israel, this is no longer in any way.

              The length of service (God forbid) to everyone, already speaks of his patriotism, impeccable service to the fatherland and his homeland. Sorry for the harshness ... You will first serve as much as he and then you will criticize him, in this way.

              afterword, criticism it also happens different!!!
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 24 June 2013 11: 18 New
                -1
                Quote: Apollon
                You will first serve as much as he and then you will criticize him, in this way.

                afterword, criticism, it also happens to be different !!!

                - Let’s definitely not, on the basis of length of service, knock ourselves out the right to some options, especially since it has been painful recently that the posts of the VAF have been smacked into posts of liberal-minded Russians on other resources - here is an example of this Excalibur. And the disadvantages of this Excalibur were not noted at all by the VAF, but by someone Pristina. There is Krasnopol, and I separately ask Lopatov to post my assessment - so far I have read only good marks to this munition and am not inclined to change this assessment.
                Criticism is different, and I am not against CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. I am against it when some developer only declares his intention to do something - here they are already posting with might and main that this is a "cut", "another scam of the century" and that "this work has already failed, we are already behind!" Apollo, you can call it criticism - in that case you will be criticized from my side, because it is NOT a CRITICISM !!! At least wait for the first results, then you can post these things if you really failed.
                When advertising material is placed in which the weapons of a very likely enemy are touted and MORE THAN NOTHING - this is also not criticism! This is the ADVERTISEMENT of the enemy’s weapons and nothing more. Why for VAF defects indicates another forum member? If specifically for the post of the VAF, in addition to the information about the excalibur, it would be necessary to indicate its shortcomings, compare it with Krasnopol (even from Lopatov), ​​and how it could be fixed. Against such criticism, he will not say anything against, the maximum - they will argue and nothing more.
        2. VAF
          VAF 23 June 2013 21: 21 New
          0
          Quote: aksakal
          but your admiration for Amer’s sucks also severely annoys me, for all that


          I didn’t carefully read your post, but it’s possible (it’s clear that the goat is on a cart but still ..) a list of Amer’s sludge .. in the studio?

          Quote: aksakal
          that the Russians have no worse


          And if it’s not difficult, the list of ours, which is no worse, is not only a few developments, but that really is in service, and if the number of voices, then generally good

          And you will talk to Lopatov about Kargopol, he will tell you more about it and its application and how many times he had to use it during his service! wink
      7. Letterksi
        Letterksi 23 June 2013 22: 20 New
        +1
        SBB is not only about accuracy, it is also about awareness. As stated in the article: "expands the capabilities of SBB up to its network application." The following network picture of a battle in the near future (or maybe already present) arises in my head: Each soldier has a complex of optical and electronic devices.

        For example, a soldier detects a sniper point, which is located outside the affected area of ​​weapons available to him. He cannot destroy it with his own means. Therefore, he clicks on a button, for example, on the sight of his grenade launcher and the sight of the grenade launcher automatically calculates the position of the seated sniper and replenishes the tactical electronic map with a marker that the sniper is at some point. This marker is displayed on the tablets of all soldiers and attached means of the tactical link leading the battle.

        Further, all participants in the battle use awareness of the sniper position for their own purposes. For example, some of the soldiers try not to get into the zone of this sniper’s defeat, the tank, knowing about the target, can hammer on this target, assault squads can take the sniper alive, etc.

        PS
        Noble cannon on Bauman’s shoulder
      8. biznaw
        biznaw 24 June 2013 00: 27 New
        0
        Forget satellite guidance and other crap from the field of cutting the American budget by American firms contractors. Expensive and maximum effect, a very expensive blank in case of war against Russia or China. Satellites will cease to exist by the end of the first day of the war, they are the first targets and ground tracking stations, then airbases, factories, parades. Recently, one of ours shared his impression of the skills of these artillery commanders, and without jeepies and a computer, they cannot get attached and recover.
  2. 11 black
    11 black 23 June 2013 12: 01 New
    +3
    Quote: My address
    Bravo! Let the enemies choke with envy and anger!


    Of course, I consider myself a patriot of my country, but only "Spike" already knows how to do it ... so with this development we will only catch up with them and no one will choke with envy and anger ...
    here is a video of the spike shooting at 20 km and his photo ...

    1. My address
      My address 23 June 2013 12: 31 New
      -1
      See comm. 12H 30.
    2. angarchanin
      angarchanin 23 June 2013 13: 08 New
      14
      At the beginning of the article, the author wrote for those who are especially smart that they are developing close combat ammunition. And what's your "Spike" here ?!
      1. Do not care
        Do not care 23 June 2013 20: 48 New
        +1
        In different versions, Spike works at distances from 200m to 25 km
      2. 11 black
        11 black 23 June 2013 21: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: angarchanin
        At the beginning of the article, the author wrote for those who are especially smart that they are developing close combat ammunition. And what's your "Spike" here ?!

        While Spike, depending on the missile, can effectively hit targets WITH 200 METERS to 20 km, in fact, a universal ammunition - reconnaissance (different warheads for firing at fortifications and equipment, + a rocket camera transmits data about everything that it sees during a flight to a target), but with this technique you will have to compete with our development - note only the development, so what I think spit and yell
        Quote: My address
        Let the enemies choke on envy and anger!

        it’s too early to mine - develop, put into series, put into service - show what we have in practice, and only then you can shout ....
        1. VAF
          VAF 23 June 2013 21: 58 New
          -3
          Quote: 11 black
          it’s too early for mine - develop, put into series, put into service - show what we have in practice, and only then you can shout.


          Only +! drinks But, unfortunately, for the most part people gathered on this site just for the purpose of fellow or "stigmatize" those who study equipment and weapons of a potential enemy!

          And what, we still have a lot of "military slippers" ... all .. crying

          This is me "retreat" for the Aksakal and his .. "new group" to uryakat "! But was he a normal person and adequate? recourse
    3. mole
      mole 23 June 2013 13: 52 New
      +1
      From the video I did not understand what target the "Spike" hit! And, accordingly, the equivalent of the monetary value: costs and results. It looks spectacular with the video! But the reality is a lot of noise due to the destruction of the half of the NUVORISH cottage! We have built a lot of them! The destruction of which will destroy the economies of NATO countries - completely!
    4. poquello
      poquello 24 June 2013 00: 22 New
      +1
      "Of course, I consider myself a patriot of my country, but only Spike already knows how to do this ... so we will only catch up with this development and no one will choke with envy and anger ..."

      IMHO a spike is expensive and how about usability? A televised barrage grenade - much more interesting. The psychological effect flies at least around the corner, at least in the window, much more, the enemy will die from a couple of hovering with uncontrollable diarrhea, means bb - consumables should not be expensive. MVTUshnikam quite at times, the engines would still be good.
      1. poquello
        poquello 24 June 2013 01: 36 New
        +1
        I apologize, with a bending one bent over, capable of hovering in the air, flying. I tried to fix it - error.
  3. CTEPX
    CTEPX 23 June 2013 19: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: My address
    Bravo!

    Here at MSTU ...
    If this is desa, then - bravo)).
    God forbid, somewhere, they do something without verbiage.
  4. tanker75
    tanker75 24 June 2013 12: 00 New
    0
    Quote: My address
    Bravo! Let the enemies choke with envy and anger!

    Only when it all appears in the army! I’ll be glad of it myself!
    I am all worried that God forbid, the "X" time will come, and we will go to fight in the same way as the Taliban in Afghanistan, AK, RPG and a couple of grenades. There is no communication, no interaction, even at the divisional level. If new items appear, then either the specialists or some other elite, the supply suffers on both legs.
    I'm afraid to even say that, we don’t even have a reserve. In case of trouble, the military enlistment offices will erase their legs in the blood to find reservists. Imagine now a barrage of minos, but this is a reality that needs to be corrected.
  • svp67
    svp67 23 June 2013 11: 09 New
    +7
    “This kind of ammunition, which simultaneously performs the functions of reconnaissance and destruction, automatically replenishes the overall collective information base across the battlefield. Therefore, this trend in the development of melee weapons with the possibility of operational reconnaissance with an automatic weapon complements the tactical level control system,” Vladimir Korenkov explained.
    Well, then let them go to the troops, and there we will awaken to give an assessment ...
  • orff
    orff 23 June 2013 11: 10 New
    +7
    that's cool: unify the reconnaissance and target designation chain
    however, the rhetorical question: how much money will such a shot cost?
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 23 June 2013 11: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: orff
      however, a rhetorical question: how much money will such a shot cost?

      The answer in the article is“Ammunition - a strike-reconnaissance complex is the most effective ideology,” the scientist believes. “Everything else is intelligence first, for example, a drone, and then shooting is a loss of efficiency.” At the same time, ensuring the removal of other functions to the fighter, gives, in addition to cheaper ammunition, other advantages, for example, expands the capabilities of the SSB up to its network use.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 23 June 2013 11: 50 New
        -1
        Quote: Tersky
        "Ammunition - a strike-reconnaissance complex - the most effective ideology, - the scientist believes. - Everything else - first reconnaissance, for example, a drone, and then shooting - this is a loss of efficiency."

        “Greetings, Tersky.” To be honest, I did not quite understand what kind of crocodile it was?
        "first reconnaissance, for example, with a drone, and then shooting - this is a loss of efficiency" - this is now the generally accepted algorithm of actions in close combat. And this is also in developed countries - for example, in Syria there are no drones, so they also have reconnaissance using the Second World War method.
        And then something unprecedented is voiced at all. What is it like? You launch, let’s say, a rocket, it is barring itself, conducting reconnaissance, making some conclusions, independently determining who is around the corner — an enemy or a friend? (do not forget, we are talking about close combat in urban conditions) and, after determining, it attacks the MOST worthy target. So you need to understand this? With all due respect to MSTU. Bauman (I considered and consider this a very serious university, on the same level as Massachusetts (MIT), Redford and Cornell, or even higher) somehow let me doubt Russia's mastering of such technologies. And this is about missiles, relatively large ammunition. In close combat, much smaller ammunition is also involved - how is it going with them?
        Which of the members of the forum can clarify what is meant here, in more detail? I'm directly intrigued -))))
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 23 June 2013 13: 48 New
          0
          Quote: aksakal
          Which of the members of the forum can clarify what is meant here, in more detail? I'm directly intrigued -))))

          Here the general trends in the development of the battle are described rather than the SSS itself.
          The reconnaissance and strike complex is designed to detect and recognize, accurately determine the location in any meteorological conditions, day and night, of enemy radio-electronic means on the scale of the theater of operations (theater of operations), as well as for aiming at uncovered targets (RES) of controlled air-to-ground weapons , ground-to-ground and tactical aircraft.
          In addition, the reconnaissance-strike complex provides for a mode of pointing weapons at non-emitting, mainly stationary and sedentary enemy targets according to their location, obtained from airborne reconnaissance equipment at the theater of military operations and entered into the coordinate grid of the reconnaissance-strike complex .
        2. Bort radist
          Bort radist 23 June 2013 15: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: aksakal
          Which of the members of the forum can clarify what is meant here, in more detail? I'm directly intrigued -))))

          Complex - "Dumb soldier, smart projectile"
          PS It's not my fault, he himself came.
        3. Tersky
          Tersky 23 June 2013 15: 38 New
          +2
          Quote: aksakal
          To be honest, I did not quite understand what kind of crocodile it was?

          Good health, aksakal! Again, the answer in the article - "Recently, technologies have appeared that provide, despite any enemy opposition, a reliable connection between the shooter and the ammunition at distances of the" urban zone "(from 0 to 1,5 km) and, thus, allow solving problems reconnaissance and destruction.That is, take the same RPG but already advanced in accordance with new technologies (guided grenade, ammunition), equipped with a video camera and sensors IR, LI, etc. with bells and whistles has a dual purpose, as such - reconnaissance plus the destruction of the target.This is the chain of communication: the shooter is the ammunition, the shooter sees where and at whom and whether it makes sense to repeat the shot.
    2. orff
      orff 23 June 2013 12: 08 New
      +4
      the mattresses are already developing:

      The fully digital PCAS system will allow the infantryman to choose the type of air support from among the possible ones (helicopter, fighter, bomber, UAV), as well as select the necessary weapons. The basis of the system will serve as a tactical terminal (tablet computer) PCAS-Ground, associated with a special eyepiece display, which projects a picture into the human eye. In the eyepiece, the soldier will see augmented reality: pictograms of choosing the air support platform, the flight path of the aircraft, ammunition, and other necessary information. Accordingly, the pilot will have a similar PCAS-Air terminal for pilots. It will display data on a ground target, including the trajectory of approaching the target, the type of ammunition required by the infantry, etc. All this will radically accelerate and facilitate the provision of air support, and most importantly - reduce collateral damage and increase the effectiveness of the use of weapons. In addition, it will become easier for the pilot to work, since he will have maximum information from ground forces. For infantrymen, the advantages are also obvious: the fastest and most reliable "delivery" of the necessary ammunition to the target.

      Currently, field tests of the ground component of this system are already underway. PCAS-Ground are assembled on the basis of 500 commercial tablet computers with the Android operating system. So far, PCAS-Ground tablets have replaced paper cards with the fighters, which made it possible to receive real-time GPS data on the location of their ground and air forces. Field exercises show that PCAS-Ground significantly increase the ability of the ground forces to quickly and safely coordinate combat, in particular, to call for air support.
      1. ded10041948
        ded10041948 23 June 2013 12: 38 New
        +5
        In the picture:
        Ten soldiers demand: two - a fire support helicopter, two - an attack aircraft with bombs, two - an attack aircraft with NURSs, two - a volley of a Gradov battery at a nearby intersection, one - a bottle of vodka and a snack (and that all this would be brought by a "sister" from a neighboring medical battalion) and one - his "blue" friend from the "third company".
        Some schizophrenia!
      2. Army1
        Army1 23 June 2013 14: 40 New
        0
        Quote: orff
        the mattresses are already developing:

        The fully digital PCAS system will allow the infantryman to choose the type of air support from among the possible ones (helicopter, fighter, bomber, UAV), as well as select the necessary weapons. The basis of the system will serve as a tactical terminal (tablet computer) PCAS-Ground, associated with a special eyepiece display, which projects a picture into the human eye. In the eyepiece, the soldier will see augmented reality: pictograms of choosing the air support platform, the flight path of the aircraft, ammunition, and other necessary information. Accordingly, the pilot will have a similar PCAS-Air terminal for pilots. It will display data on a ground target, including the trajectory of approaching the target, the type of ammunition required by the infantry, etc. All this will radically accelerate and facilitate the provision of air support, and most importantly - reduce collateral damage and increase the effectiveness of the use of weapons. In addition, it will become easier for the pilot to work, since he will have maximum information from ground forces. For infantrymen, the advantages are also obvious: the fastest and most reliable "delivery" of the necessary ammunition to the target.

        Currently, field tests of the ground component of this system are already underway. PCAS-Ground are assembled on the basis of 500 commercial tablet computers with the Android operating system. So far, PCAS-Ground tablets have replaced paper cards with the fighters, which made it possible to receive real-time GPS data on the location of their ground and air forces. Field exercises show that PCAS-Ground significantly increase the ability of the ground forces to quickly and safely coordinate combat, in particular, to call for air support.

        Do we have a similar one? Question to the specialists.
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 23 June 2013 18: 33 New
          0
          And in Google and Yandex, who do you think is working on augmented reality?
    3. v53993
      v53993 23 June 2013 14: 23 New
      +2
      however, a rhetorical question: how much money will such a shot cost?

      Not more expensive than the country's security.
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 23 June 2013 18: 41 New
        +3
        The price of a Chinese smart with gps and wafa 5000 rubles.
        Webcam with wafai - 5000 rubles.
        Wafer-controlled helicopter model from a smartphone with a lifting capacity of 3 kg Madeinchina - 30000 rubles.
        Cumulative high-explosive fragmentation ammunition - 30000 rubles.
        Kickbacks, advertising, the salary of the director and his secretary and a gift to his wife for an affair with the secretary - 1000000 rubles.

        Something like this.

        In this case, you must be a brutally stupid terrorist so as not to figure out all this to buy and use for their own purposes.
        What actually terrorists demonstrate.
    4. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 23 June 2013 16: 38 New
      +2
      That is Hochma. Guided ammunition is not new for many years. I understand that there will be a development of cheap, moreover, small and medium caliber ammunition, or rather the entire system. Otherwise, it’s too late to fence the garden, all the carrots have already been stolen.
      In addition, uncle offers a constant run-in of ideas that come to mind the most hellish thinkers - students. Laughter, laughter, but in a heap of nonsense it is among young people who are busy (among other things, young and cheerful) with improving their brains, they have the most effective thoughts. And the supervisor is there to bring useful thoughts to work. If they really work, this goal, which has not yet been achieved, would not seem ridiculous. Though dumb. Young and reckless and 9 ice won't freeze ...
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 23 June 2013 18: 45 New
        +1
        Well, Russia has already learned how to make cheap thermal imagers with high thermal resolution.
        True, their Novosibirsk developers do not know what to do with them now, despite the fact that they have already established their small-scale production.
        Oh, defense! Where are you here?
        Weakly juggle a javelin three times lower in price?
        1. Do not care
          Do not care 23 June 2013 19: 35 New
          +1
          The words "cheap" and "small batch" are mutually exclusive concepts.
    5. GSH-18
      GSH-18 24 June 2013 11: 48 New
      0
      Quote: orff
      it's cool: unify the intelligence-target designation chain
      however, a rhetorical question: how much money will such a shot cost?

      The rhetorical answer: And how much is the life of a fighter on the battlefield, of the people he defends, of the whole country ?? New effective weapons cannot be evaluated only in terms of money. This is not the punishment in the ranks. hi
  • S-200
    S-200 23 June 2013 11: 17 New
    +6
    Did anyone understand what the hell it is - "Ammunition" ?
    Principle of action, performance characteristics? Only "blah blah" content negative
    1. Andrey_K
      Andrey_K 23 June 2013 11: 24 New
      +4
      I would suggest that this is a bullet equipped with a video camera.
      More recently, on another forum, I wrote about this: why do I need a drone for quick reconnaissance if the camcorder can be placed on a bullet?
      Cameras from mobile phones are already quite cheap for mass production.
      1. evgenii67
        evgenii67 23 June 2013 11: 46 New
        +3
        Hello everyone! Of course, you need to develop high-precision weapons and highly intelligent systems with all of this while they must be highly effective. On this topic, it’s hard for me to imagine what kind of apparatus it is, most likely if such systems come into service, they will solve delicate problems, because use will be more expensive, but with the help of these systems you can solve problems without loss , eg. Wait and see!
        Quote: Andrey_K
        I would suggest that this is a bullet equipped with a video camera.
        More recently, on another forum, I wrote about this: why do I need a drone for quick reconnaissance if the camcorder can be placed on a bullet?
        Well, first of all: in order to see something in this camera, the "bullet" must fly at subsonic speed; secondly: it was fired from a smoothbore gun; if you see a rapidly changing landscape on the monitor, and even a rotating landscape, then you are unlikely to "reflect" anything and most likely you will vomit on the monitor lol The system is possible with some kind of sensors ....
        1. Andrey_K
          Andrey_K 23 June 2013 12: 00 New
          +2
          Ничего подобного.
          Of course, the picture will not be transmitted directly to the fighter (especially from the lens of a circular panorama of the "fisheye" type and which will flash for a moment - a person at such speeds will not have time to look at anything) - it will be processed first.
          There are many image processing programs, for example, if you stitch together several nearby frames, you can get better image quality, for example, from a 3 megapixel camera you can get quality as much as 5 megapixel and here the bullet is rotated only by hand.
          1. bddrus
            bddrus 23 June 2013 14: 04 New
            0
            + transmitter - information must be received. In this respect, it seems more logical and simpler for me to make one drone and a bunch of damaging weapons using information from it than to put it on each shell.
            1. Andrey_K
              Andrey_K 23 June 2013 14: 26 New
              +3
              Electronics is now quite miniature (there are achievements in creating a micron-sized radio transmitter, although the range is not very).
              Such bullets would be a logical continuation and a new generation of tracers.
              He shot at the window of the house - and got a picture - is there an ambush or not.
              Or fanned a forest and saw that no one was hiding there, and if it was hiding somewhere - and right there it was possible to use a mortar shell, until the enemy managed to change their location.
              The drone will not help to find out anything like this.
              1. bddrus
                bddrus 23 June 2013 17: 08 New
                -2
                and if you fired and hit?))
              2. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 23 June 2013 20: 10 New
                0
                As I understand it, bullet fans to build a general simulation of the area under consideration, with continuous detail. Then it’s logical - saturation of the site with fixed cameras, which can also be fired. He set his eyes around - and the king.
                Counteraction? Broadband white noise generators, camera detection systems for lenses and EM signatures for detecting stationary sites. The question is data processing, that is, the speed of this processing. So - very serious computers, huge computing power, and next to the battlefield, civilian copper grids and a dozen webcams have problems, the channels are completely blocked.
                Consequently - the hunt for carriers of computers. In general, without covering the area of ​​the future offensive with ultra-small nuclear munitions to destroy enemy electronics, one cannot attack. Another is the hunt for encryption algorithms for transmitting enemy video data. Just imagine - a redrawn image transmitted not by your sensors but by the enemy?
                Condensing the information flows, we could not get to the machine mind, since it will give us soot, nobody will be enough ....
                So, actually, we also have old ATGMs! Those that optics are controlled. As anti-tank they seem to be outdated, but if you shoot them up in batches, the picture will be great ...
          2. v53993
            v53993 23 June 2013 14: 26 New
            0
            It's always nice to read a comment from a person who understands, thanks.
      2. S-200
        S-200 23 June 2013 16: 44 New
        0
        I assume that this is a homing mini-missile (with an optical and other guidance channel) with "artificial intelligence" ... NOTHING is said! (((
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 23 June 2013 11: 29 New
      +3
      What is the meaning of this article? To say that we have new SBBs being developed? This could be expressed in one sentence.
      1. bddrus
        bddrus 23 June 2013 14: 07 New
        +1
        there are a lot of such articles. They can be collected in one collection of quotes:
        work on drones is underway - YES
        work on hypersound is underway - yes
        over the new long-range bomber - yes
        or in general about everything in one line "in Russia all military development and research is carried out"
        1. dropout
          dropout 23 June 2013 16: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: bddrus
          "all military developments and research are being carried out in Russia"

          WELL, THANK GOD!
    3. zanoza
      zanoza 23 June 2013 15: 55 New
      +1
      Everything that is said in the article is used in various ATGM systems. The United States and Israel have succeeded in this. In the western armies, the introduction of anti-tank systems with a guidance system of the IIR type has long been the main focus. "Shot and forget." While it is expensive and cumbersome, i.e. not a manual option.
      If the designers from the Bauman Moscow State Technical University have ideas, starting from the existing, existing developments, how to reduce the size of the power supply unit, and make the whole complex manually ("pointed, shot, and around the corner"), then this is GREAT!
  • ded10041948
    ded10041948 23 June 2013 11: 26 New
    +1
    The article seems to be from the 60s of the last century. A bunch of words and nothing is clear. Theorists squeal with delight; practitioners feel like half-educated. . Minus.
    1. My address
      My address 23 June 2013 11: 30 New
      +2
      And for me, as a practice, it is pretty clear. The idea is clear and quite possibly a relatively inexpensive implementation.
    2. v53993
      v53993 23 June 2013 14: 27 New
      0
      Well then you are zero.
      1. My address
        My address 23 June 2013 15: 49 New
        0
        Before chucking in the face, the machine shows where and how that lies. So that next time for a specific goal. Yes, the first time can be like a finger to the sky.

        You are zero.
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 23 June 2013 11: 31 New
    +6
    The new element base and microminiaturization allowed to insert a video camera and install communication equipment in the GOS of the ammunition of the wearable complex? If so, then this is great! Finally, motorized rifles rose to the level of aviation and the navy. And then I remember with the idea of ​​HAND rushed like with EUREKA. And now you can be proud with the rest. Yes, war is becoming more intellectual and expensive.
    Therefore: “Long live the prosperous ECONOMY, SCIENCE and TECHNOLOGY!”
  • pensioner
    pensioner 23 June 2013 11: 38 New
    +3
    Quote: S-200
    Principle of action, performance characteristics? Only "blah blah" content

    MSTU does not seem to be much ... If they want, they can do everything.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 23 June 2013 11: 39 New
    +3
    We’ll take a look. And then our developers adopted one very bad habit from their western colleagues in the workshop. Tryndet a lot before real work. And the news is good. good
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 23 June 2013 11: 44 New
    +2
    Robots and dry closets .. this is good of course .. only Russian you can’t replace anything with a soldier .. And drones, etc. An interception system is being developed .... decryption is decryption .. this can all be hacked and controlled ...
  • My address
    My address 23 June 2013 12: 30 New
    +4
    CITIZENS!
    DECEPTED ALREADY INCREDIBLE!
    AND ARTICLE SHORT!

    What kind of fig do you make comparisons with merikosnye tomahawks and adhesions, or about incomprehensibility of what is at stake? It is clearly written that this is the MEANS of NEAR BATTLE, up to, up to, 1,5 km, and read the last three paragraphs (not to be confused with the scribe).
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 23 June 2013 12: 48 New
    +1
    IMHO for police operations and local conflicts may come up. But in the event of global wars, the hope for such a weapon may leave the fighters "naked." The very first strike of nuclear weapons will give a CONTINUOUS illumination in ALL ranges, so that you can forget about target selection, and indeed about ammunition control for a long time
  • Russ69
    Russ69 23 June 2013 13: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: Misantrop
    The first strike of nuclear weapons will give a CONTINUOUS illumination across ALL ranges, so that you can forget about target selection, and indeed about ammunition management for a long time

    After nuclear weapons, the old reliable RPG remains. smile
    And as regards spike-type missiles, the prototype work was carried out last year in Dubna.
    1. gribnik777
      gribnik777 23 June 2013 13: 29 New
      -1
      Quote: Russ69
      After nuclear weapons, it remains ...


      I wonder what kind of porridge will be in people's heads after nuclear weapons (those who survive)? And will something be needed reliable old?
      Discussing what will be is pointless!
      An objective opinion can only be expressed by Japanese WWII veterans. Will wait.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 23 June 2013 23: 38 New
        -1
        Quote: gribnik777
        Discussing what will be is pointless!
        An objective opinion can only be expressed by Japanese WWII veterans.

        Well, why? A similar picture was observed at Chernobyl and Fukushima. Batteries run down very quickly, digital technology crashes or fails, and autonomous control systems fail almost immediately. In Fukushima, a remote-controlled unit for parsing blockages was forced to order in Germany, Japanese developments wither away immediately. So some conclusions can be drawn now
        1. gribnik777
          gribnik777 24 June 2013 11: 27 New
          0
          Quote: Misantrop
          A similar picture was observed at Chernobyl and Fukushima.


          These are local, point episodes and not in wartime, not ground explosions of hundreds of kilotons with a nuclear fungus, a shock wave, damaging radiation and radiation several times stronger than the Chernobyl and Fokushima combined.
          Here, no one interfered with the liquidators, except for the pressure of public opinion, and then - they really did nothing.
          Everything else is from the realm of fiction.
  • slaventi
    slaventi 23 June 2013 13: 12 New
    +6
    It is also an option.
    1. My address
      My address 23 June 2013 13: 38 New
      0
      Hurt yourself! Cool!
    2. Little thing
      Little thing 23 June 2013 23: 35 New
      0
      or such an option ...
  • gribnik777
    gribnik777 23 June 2013 13: 19 New
    0
    "I believe that we will offer the army something new every year in order to equip it with the most modern weapons by the 2020 year, as indicated in all directive documents," he said.

    ... we are trying to attract the best forces in the country, those who are interested in this and are able to solve tasks together with us, to carry out the work.


    The RUSSIAN EARTH is not impoverished!
    And how many have not yet allowed to show themselves? Oh! Give them a fulcrum, but the whole world will be at our feet!
  • valokordin
    valokordin 23 June 2013 13: 35 New
    0
    Everything new should be run in Syria, there are now the best conditions for testing melee weapons.
  • poquello
    poquello 23 June 2013 13: 50 New
    +1
    Well done mvtushniki. A revolutionary version, I hope it will be in the spirit of the balls from "Phantasm" by Coscarelli.
  • serg. 555
    serg. 555 23 June 2013 13: 57 New
    0
    Mina with a video camera, managed, maybe.
  • spirit
    spirit 23 June 2013 14: 05 New
    0
    I don’t know who understood what from this article! but the Jordanian king is already looking for a site for building a plant for miraculously new weapons laughing
  • Cyber7
    Cyber7 23 June 2013 14: 35 New
    0
    Recently, in connection with the increasing "electrification" of the army, a picture appears more and more often before my eyes as soldiers, having returned from a mission, jump out of the helicopter and scatter in search of a free socket. To recharge your devices. And the scouts on the mission also take with them solar panels or manual generators-bugs.
    In this case, the Yankees snipers without their devices turn into a simple infantry. Because sighting tables do not teach and can’t do wind corrections without wrist electronics.
    1. Joker
      Joker 24 June 2013 03: 53 New
      0
      Because the sighting tables do not teach and cannot make corrections to the wind without wrist electronics.

      Who told you that? If you didn’t know, they know, they are trained without any devices, well, except for the wind meter and exams are passed without devices, and then use the hostess, he likes no.
      1. Cyber7
        Cyber7 24 June 2013 22: 57 New
        0
        They say that if amer, when aiming at a target, a pleasant female voice will say: "a little to the right, a little higher ... Great shot, Private Ryan!" - it will be just a squeak!
        And everyone will be happy. And Mexicans, and blacks (oops, African-Americans), and Arabs - in short, everyone who got into the army in order to obtain citizenship or bonuses for entering a university.
        And not in order to die somewhere on the opposite side of the globe for no reason. A stone's throw from the historical Motherland, but not from the other side.
        And the anemometer has nothing to do with it at all.
        .
        Illogical, huh?
        I apologize.
  • sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 23 June 2013 14: 44 New
    +2
    QUOTE: "Ammunition - a strike-reconnaissance complex is the most effective ideology," the scientist believes.
    I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, before yes, while you do aerial photography, process it, analyze it - the information will probably be out of date, but today UAVs are real-time information and if you put the camera at least on ammunition, it will display the same ... I would like to hear more intelligible explanations from the director of MSTU , although now they will tell me how it's all secret and can’t say more, then what is the article about?
  • My address
    My address 23 June 2013 15: 54 New
    0


    The first time works as an RPG and transmits a picture. Next on the identified targets. So clear?
    1. poquello
      poquello 23 June 2013 16: 24 New
      +1
      "The first time it works as an RPG and transmits a picture. Further on the identified targets. So clear?"

      And what is the difference from the South African grenade launcher.
  • armandos
    armandos 23 June 2013 15: 56 New
    -2
    To my great regret, I have to admit that at this stage the stripes are ahead of us. It is impossible to build defense with a weak radio base in the 21st century. There was a great idea of ​​Medvedev - Skolkovo. How do we manage to invest money not in brains, but in projects that are doomed to sawing budgets in advance. Not enough brains? Nothing like that! There are brains, but there is no way to contain them, there is an opportunity, but no desire. It's a shame gentlemen!
    PS Not in the subject, but if anyone has the opportunity to share links to modern anti-submarine ships, I will be very grateful. I was stuck on IL-38.
  • mihasik
    mihasik 23 June 2013 15: 58 New
    0
    Ours have always created relatively cheap, but very effective systems. If this system is called "Slipper with cockroaches" (as they write here) in terms of cost and "Satan" in terms of efficiency, I’m all for it!
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 23 June 2013 18: 31 New
      0
      a flying camera with decent ammunition that allows at least the caterpillar to break an abrams or merkava, even if there is no price for a slipper.
      The minimum price of a good camcorder and an expensive radio-controlled model ..
  • nokki
    nokki 23 June 2013 16: 13 New
    0
    LET'S ADD YOUR FIVE COPIES. Maybe you mean a new generation micro-UAV with super-powerful explosives (for example, DINITRODIAZENOFUROKSAN), made as ammunition fired with a grenade launcher? Well, this is by no means a crazy idea.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 23 June 2013 16: 41 New
    0
    New technologies, any country is trying to apply for defense purposes. Western theorists of modern warfare have set a goal for themselves: drones must fight, that is - pieces of iron. Hence the rapid development of unmanned aircraft, the creation of prototypes of terminators. The direction is correct. No piece of iron can be compared with human life. And here comes ammunition - strike reconnaissance complex single action. Let's see its value and compare with a UAV, which is a reusable combat unit. Whatever happens since Chubais: nanotechnologies are being introduced, billions of dollars are being contributed, and the yield is zilch belay
    1. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 23 June 2013 19: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      Let's see its value

      That's right, you can’t forget about the cost ... all the more so because to provide support for the government’s course, you have to pay billions of compensation to the CHUBAIS clan and other money, which, as if in a pot, depict false activity ...
  • nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 23 June 2013 16: 42 New
    -1
    And we have the best practices that will make it possible in the near future to obtain a qualitative change in the nature of the ammunition and in the nature of the conduct of hostilities in cramped conditions, "stressed Vladimir Korenkov.


    And yet it is from the realm of fantasy.
  • a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 23 June 2013 17: 44 New
    +1
    Dear! Please tell me what we need for urban combat from 0 to 1,5 km without using GLONAS and tablets. These devices do not have time to apply shortly.
    1. Joker
      Joker 24 June 2013 03: 58 New
      0
      We need everything that can flash the walls and destroy the enemy, they write in the media about the fact that they are protecting civilians, in fact they are spreading everything and everyone, so you need powerful and accurate weapons, and all these pribluda with cameras are nonsense. Took GM-93 and fry in all windows, efficiency 100% yes And with GM-93, I saw the talk of specialists, in the army, at least, all the podstvolniki were, and thank God.
  • andr327
    andr327 23 June 2013 18: 02 New
    +1
    types of weapons determine the type of war. with macaques you can effectively fight with smart weapons. but when the clever on the clever, all possible electronic warfare means, various jammers, jammers, traps will turn on, then it turns out that the ordinary three-line is most effective. So different weapons are needed
  • dustycat
    dustycat 23 June 2013 18: 27 New
    0
    Is he like a pro about a system like Javelin?
    The idea is good - it pulled out from behind a hill, looked around through its guidance lens, chose a target, aimed, charged the next one.
    But darling ....
    Even if it is a kamikaze drone with the possibility of landing in the jump zone.
  • yanus
    yanus 23 June 2013 18: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: v53993
    however, a rhetorical question: how much money will such a shot cost?

    Not more expensive than the country's security.

    In the USSR, they did not save on the army and the military-industrial complex. Is this not more expensive than the country's security? No, well, really? Only now, the economy is crumbling and the country has collapsed, but these are trifles. The main thing is "the country's security" (c)!
  • waisson
    waisson 23 June 2013 19: 30 New
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    I was just glad, but some who severely broke me off here means not to be in the know about world events. But it’s still pleasantly pleasing to develop a new direction soldier
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 23 June 2013 19: 30 New
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    I will be right if I say that the absolute majority of the authors of this site have a car! And just as I will be right, they will no less support me in the sense that it is harder and harder to drive around the city (we have somewhere around 800 thousand) every day, especially in a new one. This is from an overabundance of advertising ... this is from television cameras ... but it is even more difficult from the abundance of signs on the road. The State Traffic Safety Inspectorate, in order to justify its existence, hung so many of them that it is simply already difficult to grasp everything and everything with an eye ... Hence, "letters of happiness" appear.
    Such a long introduction in order to more figuratively explain one thing ... Yes, we need a lot of weapons ... weapons with the highest performance characteristics. But the law is simple, like a rake - the more complicated the new weapons, the more difficult it is to maintain and use. And far from the fact that all current innovations are easy to use. There are enough examples of this. Everyone understands this. But where is the reverse move - the level of psychological and physical readiness for the use of our new products. I'm talking about draftees. After all, more and more physically unprepared for service ... past and drunkenness and drugs, and ...
    A word should also be said about contractors. Where are they? How many trained youth remain in contract service. Also no! In those military units where I had to serve, and these were military units where there were more officers and ensigns than soldiers and sergeants, the wives of officers and ensigns were mainly for the contract. Humanly, this was understood ... and in relation to service - rarely when it was justified for thousands of reasons.
    Why all this long talk? I am for novelty and high performance! And they are becoming more and more complicated, and the simplicity of their operation is not visible well. Novelties - yes, but not at all costs! Behind the euphoria of success, one also needs to see how and who will exploit and apply these new products.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 23 June 2013 21: 46 New
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      Quote: KazaK Bo
      But the law is simple, like a rake - the more complicated the new weapons, the more difficult it is to maintain and use.

      "Boris, you're wrong!" (C) E. Ligachev.
      If you climb in the old fashioned way with a screwdriver in the onboard computer, then the law is 100% valid. But if you are preparing for a war of the 21st century, then you get encapsulated S-300 air defense missiles in transport and launch containers with a guaranteed shelf life of at least 10 years. Or you build (assemble it like a "Lego") high-availability missile defense radar, such as "Voronezh DM". You can also give examples of systems like "Shot - forget", etc.
      Why am I all this? In addition to the fact that it’s enough to prepare for past wars, you need to have a weapon, at least no worse than your opponent’s, and prepare to give a worthy answer to all Amer’s cyber, and preferably not with the blood of our guys. And the wailing in the three-ruler is taken into account in the reserve firing schemes. And you don’t need to think that the Nobel and state laureates - the developers of new MBT samples - are dumber than our brother forum users. Well, if they don’t fully understand what’s what (many did not serve in the army), then they will be prompted by military practitioners who certainly know what they need on the battlefield, as well as intelligence, which will tell us what the adversary is preparing against us. And then there will be TTZ and GOZ for miracle technology. IMHO.
    2. Letterksi
      Letterksi 23 June 2013 22: 38 New
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      And there is. Therefore, we must evaluate, probably, the usefulness of new items.

      If in a network battle the soldier discovers an enemy sniper on the battlefield, and this knowledge will immediately spread throughout the unit. Then, probably, the novelty is useful and worth exploring, because such operational knowledge can save lives and increase the effectiveness of the battle

      When the soldiers know what and where they are, this will make it possible to quickly destroy the sniper position and not fall under the sniper bullets.

      Often there is a situation on the battlefield when someone knows something, but everyone else does not know this and lay their heads in vain, or cannot concentrate all the striking power in the right place

      Network combat of a tactical link will increase the awareness of personnel and make centralized management less necessary, which will increase efficiency and increase immunity to the destruction of the enemy control center by the enemy. Also, a network battle will allow you to quickly concentrate all the forces of the link on priority goals. Those. all punching power at the right time in the right place.

      This is the future. we won’t keep up with the novelty, we won’t survive in battle
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 24 June 2013 00: 19 New
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        Quote: LetterKsi
        This is the future. we won’t keep up with the novelty, we won’t survive in battle

        For Soviet military science, this is the past if you are not in the know. Ours laid this in technology since the 70s. Both for air and ground combat.
      2. S-200
        S-200 24 June 2013 06: 09 New
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        Yeah, this Crap flies to the sniper at the position .... he, of course, patiently waits for her to "take a picture" (full-face-profile-patret))), and takes off the finger (God forbid, make a mistake!))) .... assesses who is wearing what ("grimy" - in armor, "snow" - in stale underwear), and transfers the outfit for destruction ... "The first is armor-piercing, the second is thermobaric ..
        A series of two -PLI! "
        And the soup is sitting in a mitten, unaware of our nanotechnology ... EXPECTING for "goodies"! laughing
  • dld35057
    dld35057 23 June 2013 19: 51 New
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    I welcome residents of VO. and here I am with 2 hands for a new one, but RPG7D will steer another 100 years.
  • sub307
    sub307 23 June 2013 20: 08 New
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    Yes, nothing like that, great fellows: "The Special Design and Technological Bureau of Applied Robotics of the Bauman Moscow State Technical University (SKTB) presented its new development - a combat robot that is capable of attacking infantry, enemy fortifications and even tanks. According to the head of SKTB, Ilya Laverychev, the new system, dubbed "MRK-27-BT", will be able to replace humans during military operations.
    http://www.mhealth.ru/upload/2009/menshealth/october/mrk-27-btb.jpg
    The mobile robotic complex is equipped with a tracked chassis, two Shmel flamethrowers, a Pecheneg machine gun, two grenade launchers, six smoke grenades and a video camera. The system is controlled remotely using two joysticks, and its operator can be at a distance of 300 to 500 meters. The developers of the robot assure that the "MRK-27 - BT" is much more mobile and stable than its foreign counterparts. At the moment, the combat robot exists in a single copy, and the creators of the new system have not yet received orders from the Ministry of Defense. "
    Just a "mini terminator", by analogy with the PMPT.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 23 June 2013 21: 30 New
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      I hope this is misinformation of the enemy! If THIS is true ... Baumanke is over, this is stupidity just beyond good and evil ...
    2. ded10041948
      ded10041948 23 June 2013 21: 49 New
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      A unit worth a million is out of order with one blow of the hammer!
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 23 June 2013 20: 26 New
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    Quote [b] sub307 [/ b] [b] "The Special Design and Technological Bureau of Applied Robotics of the Bauman Moscow State Technical University (SKTB) presented its new development - a combat robot that is capable of attacking infantry, [/ b]
    [b] Quite a modern idea: [/ b] why throw live boys under bullets !? Time goes by changing battle tactics. And the more such iron robots our army has, the less our irreplaceable losses in our guys will be ... The idea is great.
  • 128mgb
    128mgb 23 June 2013 21: 48 New
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    I understand this article as follows: At MVTU there are people who can and do what they can for their country. Honor and praise be to them !! Sorry that pompous but than I can ..
  • S-200
    S-200 24 June 2013 05: 56 New
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    Quote: yanus
    In the USSR, they did not save on the army and military-industrial complex.

    More HOW to save!If you ate at that time from a soldier's cauldron and wore that uniform, you lived in that barracks ... I would understand! The life of a soldier’s aluminum spoon, do you know the mugs? soldier's iron bed, stools, bedside tables, blankets, pillows ??