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Foreign modernization of tanks T-54 / 55

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In recent years, many not-so-rich countries prefer not to purchase the latest military equipment, but to improve on existing ones. There are many reasons for this: modern technology, especially airplanes, helicopters and Tanks - the thing is extremely expensive; in addition, this technique in some cases has redundant capabilities. It is difficult to imagine a semi-literate African peasant from some Ethiopia behind the levers stuffed with a variety of electronic gadgets "Leclerc". It may be possible for him to control a tank, but it is unlikely to manage all the complex equipment, and why would he need this equipment if his probable opponent is the same semi-literate tankman? Of course, this example is from the realm of fiction, though very close to reality. However, for most countries, the latest tanks - the pleasure is too expensive, and often excessive. The way out is in the modernization of vehicles in service.


Israeli modernization of T-54 / 55 tanks

The Israelis were the first to start the modernization of T-54 / 55 outside the USSR. After the 1967 war of the year, Israel got the richest trophies, including several hundred tanks. It was rightly considered unreasonable for the Israelis to simply melt such a number of excellent combat vehicles, but it was also difficult to maintain them in their original form in their army. The USSR, of course, did not at all strive to provide T-54 / 55 with the stars of David on the towers with spare parts and ammunition. If the problem of spare parts could be solved by “cannibalizing” some of the machines, then with shells to the guns, the situation was much more complicated.

At the end of the 60-ies, the command of the Israeli Self-Defense Army came to the conclusion that it was necessary to standardize tank weapons. In the Israeli army were tanks of several types, respectively, armed with various guns, making it difficult to supply tank units with ammunition. The best tank gun at that time in the West, the British 105-mm rifled gun L7 (more precisely, its American variant М68) was chosen as a single weapon. All the tanks of the Self-Defense Army - Shermans, Centurions, M48, M60, T-54 / 55 received this gun. Former Arab tanks also received radio stations used by the Israeli army and a new fire fighting system. Boxes for the storage of tankers' property or tools were welded onto the towers of some cars.

Part of the T-54 / 55 has undergone a more serious alteration - they installed the American diesel engines 8V-71T and Browning machine guns. The reason is the same as in the case of the replacement of a tool - simplifying supply and maintenance. T-54 with new engines and weapons received the designation Ti-67. Before the 1973 war of the year, there was about 100 Ti-67 in the Self-Defense Army.

An even more radical version of the modernization of the T-series tank, the so-called T-54 / 55 in the West, was first officially shown in 1984. Tank "S" received a new fire control system "Matador", developed by the Israeli firm Elbit, the American two-plane weapon stabilizer of the company Kaddilak Gage, the Halon fire extinguishing system, which proved to be excellent on the Merkava, which burned in 1982 in Lebanon. The tank’s armament was reinforced with a 60-mm mortar placed on the left side of the turret. The tank "S" provides for the possibility of mounting the Blazer dynamic protection elements (gradually all Israeli T-54 / 55 tanks were equipped with dynamic protection). Installing a new engine resulted in a slight increase in power density compared to the original sample (from 15,8 hp / t to 16,03 hp / t), but the acceleration characteristics of the tank improved by 50%.

Foreign modernization of tanks T-54 / 55

"Tyrant-5" - upgraded T-55


Egyptian modernization of T-54 / 55 tanks

The basis of the tank fleet of the army of Egypt in the 70-s and 80-s also accounted for T-54, T-62. The Egyptians carried out a local revision of the T-54 before the 1973 war of the year by installing the night vision systems of the West German company AEG-Telefunken, similar to those used on the Leopard-1 tanks, on the towers. In 1984, the command of the Egyptian Armed Forces decided to upgrade the combat potential of the T-54 tanks to the level of the American M60-3 tank. Since the American tank was chosen for the role model, then the T-54 was entrusted to the Americans by the General Products Division of the Teledyne Continental company.

The rear of the case was lengthened by 600 mm, since it was necessary to install a new AVDS-1790-5A diesel engine with turbocharging, which developed the power of the 908 hp. (80% of engine parts were the same as on the M60A3). The old five-speed manual box was changed to a hydromechanical TCM-304 (licensed version of the West German Renk RK-304), designed specifically for medium and heavy tracked vehicles. The dashboard mechanic driver performed in the American style. The suspension was replaced with a new General Dynamics 2880 as on the M48 Patton III tank.

Increasing the volume of the hull almost doubled (from 812 l to 1312 l) to increase the supply of fuel in the internal tanks, providing a power reserve of 530 km. Two new exhaust pipes (rear on one side of the hull) replaced the exhaust port on the left. The armored air intake of the air filter was placed in the back of the case so that it was possible to fasten the external fuel tanks on it. In the engine compartment, a fire extinguishing system from HTL Industries was installed, and on top it was covered with a single armor sheet with several hatches for repairing and inspecting the engine and auxiliary systems in the field.

As for weapons, the 100-mm gun was replaced by an 105-mm gun from the M48 tank, but the original bolt from the DT-10T remained (modified rollback system). For guidance, the Titan MK 1 guidance system was added, which included an Avimo TL10-T sight, a laser range finder and a graphic display integrated into the CRT eyepiece. Additionally, four were installed on board smoke grenade launchers.


T-55E Ramses-II Tank


End of 1980-s - the possibility of upgrading the fleet of T-55 tanks with German help was studied. According to the Jung Jungenthal project, two prototypes were upgraded. For mass modernization, the Ramses-II project was adopted. According to the project, it was intended to leave the 100-mm D-10T guns on parts of the tanks, and replace them with the X-NUMX-mm M-105 guns.

Tank T-55 Jung Jungenthal


Iraqi modernization of T-54 / 55 tanks

Iraqi T-55 Modernization and Type-69. In 1989, an upgraded Iraqi T-55 tank armed with an 125-mm 2А46 XB gun, which was previously installed on Soviet T-72 machines, was demonstrated at Baghdad. In connection with the use of an automatic loader, the crew of the car consisted of three people. In the aft, the height of the tower was increased to accommodate the mechanism for lifting the cassettes of the automatic loader. The tank had a reinforced armor protection of the tower and the front of the hull. The sides of the hull are protected by anti-cumulative screens. On each side of the tower mounted on four smoke grenade launchers. The mass of the upgraded tank has increased to 40 tons.


Tank T-55 Enigma


Czechoslovak modernization of T-54 / 55 tanks

In the 80s, when the combat and technical characteristics of the T-55A ceased to meet modern requirements, Czechoslovakia also adopted a program to modernize them, the final result of which was the original Czech T-55AM2. Modernization was supposed to be carried out in two stages.

At the first stage, the Kladivo fire control system (Kladivo) developed in Czechoslovakia was installed on the tanks. Its use significantly increased the shooting accuracy at ranges up to 4000 meters. The next notable change was the installation of the SDIO detection and indication system, which notified the crew of the enemy's irradiation of the tank with a laser sight. The tank that went through such a modernization received an index T-55AM1.

At the second stage, the Czechoslovak T-55 were to receive the 9K116 “Bastion” guided weapon system (but not all the tanks had time to install it), additional multi-layered booking and a more powerful engine (55 B-2HP) those. undergo modernization mainly similar to the Soviet T-620M. With all these changes, the tank received the T-55AM55 index (with the Bastion system, the T-2AM55-B system).
T-55AM2 were in service with the Czech army, the Slovak army, the Hungarian army and the army of the former GDR.

The T-55AM2 tank of Czechoslovak production with the fire control system "Kladivo"


Polish upgrade T-54 / 55

Polish T-55 received laid armor on the bottom (to protect against mines), frontal parts of the tower and the hull. The side screens protect the top of the undercarriage from the action of cumulative ammunition; Vertically mounted steel sheets cover the fuse tanks with fences. The tank uses a caterpillar with rubber-metal hinges.

A special feature of the Polish version of the T-55 is the laser range finder integrated into the gunner's sight, while in other countries the range finder was placed on the gun mask. In the control system weapons included a new ballistic computer; The T-shaped meteorological sensor of the atmosphere, which is entered into the computer, is clearly visible in front of the tower’s roof.

The ammunition assembly was slightly increased, the tower was equipped with a rotating polycom (as on the Soviet T-54B), to facilitate the work of the driver, a hydraulic booster of the steering mechanism and main friction clutch was introduced, engine lubrication and its air start system were improved. The number of external fuel tanks was increased (from three to six), thanks to which the cruising range of the tank increased to 830 km. Such Polish-made tanks are known under the designation T-54AM. The commander's tank T-54AD (“dowodka” - commander) was also produced with an additional radio station. For a more convenient location, the Poles even increased the stern part of the tower. T-54AD tanks were intended for regimental commanders and chiefs of staff.


Tank T-55AM Merida


Romanian modernization T-54 / 55

The layout of the TR-580 tank is generally similar to the layout of the T-55 tank. The hull of the tank is extended. The chassis uses 6 track rollers of slightly smaller diameter than the T-55. The roof of MTO is somewhat elevated compared to the roof of the fighting compartment. The tower is cast, with a welded roof, but in a slightly different shape than that of the T-55. On the sides of the tower closer to the stern, boxes with machine-gun belts for the DShKM machine gun were fortified.



The location of crew members, weapons, aiming devices and surveillance - such as the Soviet tank. The car is supplied with steel onboard anti-cumulative screens.

1995 g. - The development of the TR-85 upgrade option - TR-85M1 Bizonul (Bison) has begun. Several companies from all over Europe take part in the development, the equipment is supplied mainly by Matra (France). The armament is unchanged (it was planned to replace the gun with the 120 mm gun), but a new two-plane stabilizer and gun housing were installed. Ammunition - 41 shot. Additional booking with built-in dynamic protection (tower), combined additional booking of the forehead of the hull, onboard protective anti-cumulative screens. Changed the design of the rear of the tower.

Tank TR-85M1 Bizonul


Ukrainian modernization of T-54 / 55

Instead of the old B-55 horsepower 580 In the engine compartment, a two-stroke multi-fuel diesel engine was installed with oppositely moving pistons and 5TDFM turbocharging horsepower 850 hp. As a result, the maximum speed of the tank increased to 65 km / h. The average speed on the highway instead of the previous 35 km / h has now reached 45 km / h. At the disposal of the driver appeared an automated motion control system with a steering wheel. Under the increased load significantly improved chassis. The tank also began to use asphalt caterpillars.

Much attention is paid to the characteristics of protection. The tank significantly strengthened the reservation, installing additional passive protection and the so-called "reactive armor." The elements of the Varta optical-electronic countermeasure system were mounted on the turret of the tank. Survival in the event of a defeat should provide and new fire-fighting equipment.

Instead of primitive sights at the disposal of the gunner operator, a modern fire control system appeared. The tank can use guided missile weapons. A tank commander can duplicate the actions of the gunner. For him mounted anti-aircraft installation of the closed type.

At the request of the customer, the cannon can be caliber 125 mm or 120 mm. It is connected with an automatic loader mounted in a niche of the tower.

Tank T-55AGM


Slovenian T-54 / 55 Upgrade

During the upgrade, the following changes were made:

The tank was installed active armor, its elements are clearly visible on the hull and turret.
A new 105 mm L7A3 was installed with a thermal jacket. Manufacturer: British Aerospace Defense Ltd, Royal Ordnance Divisio. The fire control system was drastically improved by installing a digital ballistic computer. The gun is stabilized in two planes.

Installed new sight Slovenian production Fotona SGS-55 with a laser rangefinder. We also installed a sight of the commander of Fotona COMTOS-55 with an independent line of sight stabilization, which allows him to lead targets and even aim the gun independently of the gunner, if necessary.

The LIRD-1A laser irradiation annunciator is associated with the IS-6 smoke grenade launcher launching system that can be automatically activated in case of an emergency.

Upgrading the V-12 diesel engine has resulted in an increase in power from the 520 HP. to 600 hp

In the undercarriage rubber side skirts appeared similar to those installed on the T-72, the tank was also equipped with new tracks with rubber-metal hinges.

An additional linkage, a box for the crew’s property, performing the function of an additional anti-cumulative screen, appeared in the aft of the tower.



Slovenian modernized T-55



Serbian modernization of the T-54 / 55

Serbian car intended for export.
The tank was installed: mounted dynamic protection on the tower and on the hull forehead, rubber-fabric side-mounted protivokumulyatnye screens, modern fire control system, communication system with built-in protection, new power plant, 780l.s power.


Tank T-55H, Partner



Chinese modernization of T-54 / 55 tanks

Joint development with US companies "Textron Marine and" Land Systems "

Layout with rear engine compartment. The hull and tower are welded. In the design of the tank used a combined reservation. The design and installation of the upper part of the hull, tower and engine were carried out by the American company Cadillac Gage Textron (Cadillac Gage Textron).

A distinctive feature is the location of the crew, typical of NATO tanks, in which the commander and gunner are located in the tower on the right. Guidance guns electro-hydraulic, in the event of failure of their management is carried out manually.

The main armament of the tank is a 105-mm rifled gun L7. The gun is stabilized in two planes. As an auxiliary weapon, a 7,62-mm machine gun paired with a cannon and a large-caliber 12,7-mm anti-aircraft gun M2HB are installed on the tank.
The tank is equipped with a fire control system, which is similar to the Stingray tank installed on an American tank with a laser rangefinder and thermal imaging devices.

Tank chassis were made in China. Individual torsion bar suspension. Automatic transmission XTG-411 production Allison Transmission (General Motors Corporation). There is a radio station, TPU and the automatic system of the PPO.

Upgraded T-55 - Jaguar


Sources:
http://vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-4428.htm
http://www.nauka-tehnika.com.ua/nt/article/tanki-tt-54t-55-chast-3-protivniki
http://military.tomsk.ru/blog/topic-298.html
http://www.xliby.ru/transport_i_aviacija/tehnika_i_vooruzhenie_1999_08/p4.php
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  1. Strashila
    Strashila 22 June 2013 07: 40 New
    +2
    The machine has proven its reliability, why spend extra money.
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled 22 June 2013 11: 18 New
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      Quote: Strashila
      The machine has proven its reliability, why spend extra money.

      be that as it may, but still the car no longer meets modern requirements. Yes, it is possible to supply modern protection systems (from dynamic to KAZ), the latest LMS, another engine and transmission. BUT, firstly, how much will such an upgrade cost in full? and secondly, wouldn’t it be easier to buy the same modernized T-72 (from Russia) or E-64 (from Ukraine).
      but in the general article "+". Soviet technology has good potential for modernization. good can't argue with that
      1. Akim
        Akim 22 June 2013 11: 56 New
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        Quote: self-propelled
        and secondly, wouldn’t it be easier to buy the same modernized T-72s (from Russia) or E-64s (from Ukraine).

        T-64 no one to buy. Regarding modernization. We must also take into account the region of buyers and their neighbors. Tanks of the T-54/55 family correspond to tanks of the third generation. And they don’t need more. And it is unlikely that they are more expensive and worse than the T-72B (M1), or even ahead in some ways.
        Upgraded Type 69 Bangladesh.
        1. self-propelled
          self-propelled 22 June 2013 16: 09 New
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          Quote: Akim
          T-64 no one to buy

          why? is the tank really so bad?
          1. svp67
            svp67 22 June 2013 16: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: self-propelled
            why? is the tank really so bad?
            This machine requires higher training of both the crew and support services than the T54 \ 55, T62, T72 tanks ... And since there are still many on the market, the T64 has no export prospects
            1. self-propelled
              self-propelled 22 June 2013 16: 28 New
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              Quote: svp67
              T64 has no export prospects

              why? in that the T-64 is slightly more difficult to maintain than the T-72? Well, in Pakistan they don’t die from MTO T-64. or am I wrong? What other complaints are there about the T-64?
              1. Kars
                Kars 22 June 2013 16: 33 New
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                Quote: self-propelled
                u so in pakistan don't die from mto t-64

                T-80UD / 84 but very similar in engines.

                as in Ukraine, the decommissioned T-72 will start pushing the T-64.
                Quote: self-propelled
                Why?
                It’s hard for blacks to explain that 64 is not 72, even if a smaller number.
                1. self-propelled
                  self-propelled 22 June 2013 16: 39 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Kars
                  T-80UD / 84 but very similar in engines.

                  as in Ukraine, the decommissioned T-72 will start pushing the T-64.

                  I know, there has already been a controversy over which is better than the T-64 or T-72. but still, why is the T-64 so bad that it has no export prospects?
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 22 June 2013 16: 49 New
                    +2
                    Quote: self-propelled
                    . but still, why is the T-64 so bad that it has no export prospects?

                    I would prefer a different formulation of the question. Why is the T-64 so good that it has WEAK export prospects.
                    And by the way, I didn’t say such a thing. Sooner or later, there will be buyers who would still have the opportunity to sell on credit.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 22 June 2013 16: 49 New
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                    2. svp67
                      svp67 22 June 2013 17: 03 New
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                      Quote: Kars
                      . Sooner or later, there are buyers, there would be another opportunity to sell on credit.

                      Well, your country has a unique opportunity to offer one and the other tank in large quantities, and nevertheless, the undisputed sales leader of your T72 ...
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 22 June 2013 18: 10 New
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                        Quote: svp67
                        Nevertheless, the undisputed sales leader of your T72 ...

                        So far. And you know why. It’s still to take into account that the USSR supplied T-72 to whom it could only, both for money and for communist slogans.
                      2. bask
                        bask 22 June 2013 23: 33 New
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                        Quote: Kars
                        for communist slogans.

                        South African T-55
                      3. Kars
                        Kars 22 June 2013 23: 56 New
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                        Quote: bask
                        South African T-55

                        Did South Africa really buy it? Honestly speaking, I think that these are trophies.
                      4. sscha
                        sscha 28 June 2013 16: 22 New
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                        So autamata native can not!
                        Just what the hell crew with guns? Charger - okay !!! And the rest ??? !!! hi
                  2. sscha
                    sscha 28 June 2013 16: 19 New
                    +1
                    The main problem is dvigun. hi
                2. DOTS
                  DOTS 25 January 2015 22: 41 New
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                  Sooner or later, buyers will be available, there would be another opportunity to sell on credit.

                  As far as I can understand, the VO platform has become a platform for discussing the possible import of arms of Ukraine? Charming. stop
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 25 January 2015 23: 26 New
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                    Quote: DOTS
                    ? Charming.

                    It's good that you like it))
              2. sscha
                sscha 28 June 2013 16: 18 New
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                The simpler - the more reliable! It's like a Panther and a T-34/85.
                T72,64, base tanks, including t-62, during my studies. hi
            2. svp67
              svp67 22 June 2013 16: 49 New
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              Quote: Kars
              as in Ukraine, the decommissioned T-72 will start pushing the T-64.
              The number of tanks released is the undisputed world leader, so the T64 will have to wait a very long time, and there might not be needed there ...
              1. Kars
                Kars 22 June 2013 16: 55 New
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                By the number of tanks released, the undisputed world leader

                Well, you have more of them left. In the warehouses of Ukraine there is still a maximum of 600-700, and there may one 3 be collected from 2x.

                And your 72 UVZ just will not let you sell it much, it is more profitable for him to T-90 to drive. Did the T-62 go to the open-hearth furnaces? As well as 64 you are going.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 22 June 2013 17: 10 New
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                  Quote: Kars
                  Well, you have more of them left. In the warehouses of Ukraine there is still a maximum of 600-700, and there may one 3 be collected from 2x.

                  I think that the figure is much larger, especially if you look at the photos from the repo sites of your tank repair plants ...
                  Quote: Kars
                  And your 72 UVZ just will not let you sell it much, it is more profitable for him to T-90 to drive. Did the T-62 go to the open-hearth furnaces? As well as 64 you are going.

                  It is not entirely true, because the Omsk people will work on T72. And the fact that T62 and T64 are going to open-hearth, so I think it is correct, the metal is good and they have nothing to scatter, but as combat and export vehicles, these tanks do not have such export prospects as T55, T72 and T90
                  1. roial
                    22 June 2013 17: 50 New
                    +3
                    Quote: svp67
                    And the fact that T62 and T64 go to marten with us, so I think it's right, the metal is good and they have nothing to scatter metal is good and there is nothing to spread


                    Only after open-hearth it is not armored steel, but just iron.
                    And it costs well, a maximum of 5000 dollars. from the tank, and take it, upgrade the same T-62 and push the Negroes that way for 800 green ones.
                  2. svp67
                    svp67 22 June 2013 18: 29 New
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                    Quote: roial
                    And it costs well, maximum 5000 dollars. from the tank, and take it, upgrade the same T-62

                    T62 is not the best option, in the whole world this tank does not have such popularity as T55, so I don’t think that it is worth messing with, it’s better to have T72 of the first versions ...
                  3. Kars
                    Kars 22 June 2013 18: 40 New
                    +6
                    And Afghanistan still rides. And what's the difference in popularity --- the main thing is to sell more than scrap metal.
                  4. svp67
                    svp67 22 June 2013 18: 43 New
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                    Quote: Kars
                    . And what's the difference in popularity --- the main thing is to sell more expensive than scrap metal.

                    But the higher the popularity, the more opportunities there are to exceed the price of scrap metal above ...
                  5. Kars
                    Kars 22 June 2013 18: 46 New
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                    Quote: svp67
                    But the higher the popularity, the more opportunities there are to exceed the price of scrap metal above ...

                    If you take into account that the assets are already otamartizirovany))) then selling in any quality is a net profit. Therefore, it’s more profitable to sell even for parts. And there, how many times is it already like a bargain.
              2. DOTS
                DOTS 25 January 2015 22: 38 New
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                so I don’t think it’s worth messing with, it’s better than the first version T72 ..

                What a good professional advice! Bravo! But it is worth considering the competent authorities. It's time. love
            3. dustycat
              dustycat 22 June 2013 20: 21 New
              +1
              And a lot of these martens left?
              Now they are more in the electric furnace fill up.
              There is already steel grade at the exit
          2. Kars
            Kars 22 June 2013 18: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            I think that the figure is much larger, especially if you look at the photos from the repositories of your tank repair plants

            There will be mainly 64.
            Quote: svp67
            oh, since it is on T72 that "Omsk" will work

            Of course, maybe for the RF Armed Forces B3 will do something
            Quote: roial
            Only after open-hearth is it not armored steel, but just iron

            cast iron
          3. svp67
            svp67 22 June 2013 18: 27 New
            0
            Quote: Kars
            There will be mainly 64.

            Lviv repair:
            First Director Colonel Zavalishin M.F.
            50 years. Mastering overhaul of T-54, T-55, manufacturing of bench and non-standard equipment.
            80 years. Mastering the T-72 tanks and special equipment based on them.
            90 years. Liquidation of medium tanks T-55, T-54, T-62.
            1995 — 2006 Start of production for export. Production of spare parts for BT equipment.
            The development and overhaul of the upgraded T-72b tank and the release of a new Ukrainian BTS-5B tractor based on the T-72, the manufacture of complex units for tractors.
            The production and compilation of new types of national economic products and conversion equipment has been mastered: LIAZ-5256, Gazelle, GTU-1-0,5, LRMZ-460, LRMZ-580, KTS-16, BMR-1, IMR-1, IMR-2 T-55, T-72, B1, and so on

            which is not surprising, since the Carpathian VO was equipped with the T72.
            But there are still many photos where the T72 is at the Kiev and Kharkov tank repair plants ...
          4. Kars
            Kars 22 June 2013 18: 36 New
            +1
            Vika gives 1036 pcs for 2006-2008 year. The minus is what they sold, what they took apart.
          5. svp67
            svp67 22 June 2013 18: 46 New
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            Quote: Kars
            Vika gives 1036 pcs for 2006-2008 year. The minus is what they sold, what they took apart.
            Well wiki trust ...
            1032 T-72, as of 2012 year
            what is it that in four years only four tanks were sold? Per year for the tank what “You yourself believe that ...”
          6. Kars
            Kars 22 June 2013 18: 53 New
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            Well wiki trust.

            And who is more?
            Quote: svp67
            1032 T-72, as of 2012 year

            Vryatli someone updated the data, there is a link to Jaynes, so anyway now about 700 vryatli more, although I do not mind.
      2. DOTS
        DOTS 25 January 2015 22: 35 New
        0
        there are at the Kiev and Kharkov tank repair plants ...

        Well, say so, that is. Is the armor strong? And are these tanks fast? Are you hoping? Oh well.
  • svp67
    svp67 22 June 2013 16: 40 New
    0
    Quote: self-propelled
    why? in that the T-64 is slightly more difficult to maintain than the T-72? Well, in Pakistan they don’t die from MTO T-64. or am I wrong? What other complaints are there about the T-64?

    That's just the point, which is much more complicated:
    - requires a MUCH higher culture of handling the engine, especially OIL CULTURE and, in general, the culture of using technical fluids
    - TD series engines have a higher and narrower operating temperature mode,
    - in addition, due to its peculiarity, the engine, for a reliable start-up, requires "heating" by a tank heater, at ambient temperatures below +5 degrees ...
    -More carefully, it is necessary to relate to the operation of the battery and they require more powerful ..
    In short, in almost all points of operation and its organization in relation to the T64, in relation to the T72 it sounds MORE ...
  • Akim
    Akim 22 June 2013 18: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: self-propelled
    Well, in Pakistan they don’t die from MTO T-64. or am I wrong? What other complaints are there about the T-64?

    Kars already answered about the difference. I will add. The Ethiopian T-72UA1 was equipped with 5 TDFMAs, and they will also be installed on Typhoons for Peru. There are no problems with MTO. There are no problems with the tank. He is simply not familiar to the world as a commodity. They will be afraid of him.
    1. svp67
      svp67 22 June 2013 18: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Akim
      There are no problems with MTO

      there is ... tongue As in the rest and on ANY technique ... yes
      1. Kars
        Kars 22 June 2013 18: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        there is ...

        Maybe there were?

        http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t72ua1/t72ua1.htm
        1. svp67
          svp67 22 June 2013 19: 22 New
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          Quote: Kars
          Maybe there were?

          I honestly don't think that something has changed dramatically. Although, of course, the reliability of "TD" is now much higher than 25 years ago, but all the same - the main merit in increasing the reliability belongs to the OPERATORS, that is, the tankers who have learned how to operate it.
          The TD is already constructively incorporated:
          - higher thermal loading;
          - significantly higher operating speeds, which with the slightest violations in operation leads to irreversible consequences.
          - higher overall power, which in itself requires the use of more expensive materials in the manufacture of ...
          1. Kars
            Kars 22 June 2013 21: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            honestly I don’t think that something has changed dramatically

            And if you think?
      2. Akim
        Akim 22 June 2013 19: 03 New
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        Quote: svp67
        there is ..

        Are you talking about old engines, those that were installed on the original T-64? Guys with 1 tank write that the engines are just a song.
        1. svp67
          svp67 22 June 2013 19: 11 New
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          Quote: Akim
          The guys from the 1 tank write that the engines are just a song.
          Especially if you hear them "sing" ... And your guys simply have nothing to compare with ...
          1. Kars
            Kars 22 June 2013 19: 20 New
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            Quote: svp67
            And your guys just have nothing to compare ..

            Singing for the engine is not important. Yes, and there is no reason to compare.
          2. svp67
            svp67 22 June 2013 19: 28 New
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            Quote: Kars
            Singing for the engine is not the point
            Why? When he "sings" and his soul is calmer, but when he "sneezes" ...
          3. Akim
            Akim 22 June 2013 19: 35 New
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            Quote: svp67
            Why? When he "sings" and his soul is calmer

            "Song" does not mean his voice in the work. This work itself just goes into rhyme. This is allegorical.
          4. svp67
            svp67 22 June 2013 19: 52 New
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            Quote: Akim
            "Song" does not mean his voice in the work. This work itself just goes into rhyme. This is allegorical.

            Yes, I know, like our tank schools grow from a single root ...
      3. svp67
        svp67 22 June 2013 19: 47 New
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        Not a bad photo of tanks of a battle group, apparently exercises are going on ...
        But here is a good photo too

      4. Kars
        Kars 22 June 2013 21: 10 New
        +1
        Well, with your defense expenditures, it’s hard to find a fundamental advantage in quality.
      5. svp67
        svp67 22 June 2013 21: 13 New
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        Quote: Kars
        Well, with your defense expenditures, it’s hard to find a fundamental advantage in quality.
        Well, we’ve already begun to count money ... Actually, we have more households, and there are much more harmful neighbors ... Therefore, they no longer feel sorry for the defense money ...
      6. Kars
        Kars 22 June 2013 21: 21 New
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        Quote: svp67
        Well, money has already begun to count.

        Naturally.
        Quote: svp67
        Actually, we have a bigger economy, and there are much more neighbors that are especially harmful ...

        And that this should not affect the quality of your tanks, especially in the light of the amounts spent. Kharkov would have set up tanks for you for less money.
      7. svp67
        svp67 22 June 2013 21: 27 New
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        Quote: Kars
        And that this should not affect the quality of your tanks, especially in the light of the amounts spent. Kharkov would have set up tanks for you for less money.
        under the same conditions, the price of Kharkov tanks, especially engines, was HIGHER than Tagil ...
      8. Kars
        Kars 22 June 2013 21: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        under the same conditions, the price of Kharkov tanks, especially engines, was HIGHER than Tagil tanks.

        When it was, under the Union, already not saying that Tagil specialized in cheap mobilization tanks, and there are some crying that then the modern self-propelled guns were not available for the T-72.
      9. svp67
        svp67 22 June 2013 22: 35 New
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        Quote: Kars
        When was it, under the Union?
        Even now, your engine is more expensive, both in terms of materials and complexity of production ...
      10. Kars
        Kars 22 June 2013 22: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        Even now, your engine is more expensive, both in terms of materials and complexity of production.

        Got data?

        And the engine is not the whole tank. Especially in the conditions of monopolization of the UVZ market, pricing is a very interesting question.
      11. svp67
        svp67 23 June 2013 00: 52 New
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        Quote: Kars
        Got data?


        Read
        http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2013/01/blog-post_5305.html

        Discarding all blah blah and negative attitudes, the numbers, as far as I know, are very close ...
      12. Kars
        Kars 23 June 2013 08: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        Read
        http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2013/01/blog-post_5305.html

        Quote: svp67
        blah blah


        ))))))
        On the prices of Soviet tanks.
        Quote: Kars
        When was it, under the Union?
  • Akim
    Akim 22 June 2013 19: 22 New
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    Quote: svp67
    And your guys just have nothing to compare ...

    They had T-64B (BV) and BM Bulat in the brigade, in addition, there are BTSs and ARVs in the combat team. There is something to compare with. But I talked about the T-64B and BM Bulat (i.e. where the engines are modernized).
  • svp67
    svp67 22 June 2013 19: 25 New
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    Quote: Akim
    But I talked about T-64B and BM Bulat
    But there is no T72 ... or at least an ARV ...
  • Akim
    Akim 22 June 2013 19: 31 New
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    Quote: svp67
    or at least ARV

    There are BREMs (I added) and modernized (based on T-72) BTS-5.
    We spoke not about sounds, but about reliability.
  • svp67
    svp67 22 June 2013 19: 33 New
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    Quote: Akim
    BTS-5.

    And this, what a "beast", but I have never heard of this ..
  • Akim
    Akim 22 June 2013 19: 39 New
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    Quote: svp67
    And this, what a "beast", and this has never been heard

    I have not seen him either. My brigade did not get anything new. (Kuzmuk was removed early).
  • svp67
    svp67 22 June 2013 19: 38 New
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    Quote: Akim
    There are BREMs (I added) and modernized (based on T-72) BTS-5.
    And your guys think that the TD engine is more reliable than the B? I will not believe. They are either cunning or they do not want to upset you ...
  • Akim
    Akim 22 June 2013 19: 42 New
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    Quote: svp67
    And your guys think that the TD engine is more reliable than the B?

    5TDFM is more reliable than 5TDF. So I compared with what.
  • svp67
    svp67 22 June 2013 19: 49 New
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    Quote: Akim
    5TDFM is more reliable than 5TDF. So I compared with what.
    it may well be, even most likely, but it has not become more reliable than B46, B84
  • Akim
    Akim 22 June 2013 19: 53 New
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    Quote: svp67
    even most likely, but he did not become more reliable than B46, B84

    If it was made at the 6TD-1 level, then this is very good. Indians feel the advantage of Pakistani tanks.
  • svp67
    svp67 22 June 2013 20: 00 New
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    Quote: Akim
    If it was made at the 6TD-1 level, then this is very good. Indians feel the advantage of Pakistani tanks.

    The Indians have many complaints about the T90, but least of all the engine ...
    Despite fierce and very often unjustified criticism, the T-90S tank will form the basis of the Indian army's armored fleet. This was announced to SP's Land Forces Team by Lieutenant General DS Siddhu, Commander of the Indian Army's Mechanized Forces, while the tank is being upgraded to reach the state-of-the-art level needed to maintain its dominance on any future battlefield.
    Plans for this modernization include the installation of an active protection complex, most likely it will be the Israeli system, but it is possible that they will choose the Russian complex. As a result, the T-90C will become invulnerable to most anti-tank weapons in service with China and Pakistan.
    The improved thermal imaging sights of the commander will have the "hunter-killer" function, which will significantly increase the characteristics of detecting and hitting enemy targets, day and night. There will be advanced systems for automatic calibration and thermal bending accounting installed on the barrel to maintain alignment day and night and the necessary software upgrade to optimize the capabilities of the fire control system.
    In addition to the upgraded digital fire alarm and fire extinguishing system, the tank will also be equipped with air conditioning systems for the crew compartment, which will not only improve the working conditions of the crew, but also increase the resource of the electronics. Also underway is a project to install an auxiliary power unit to enhance "discreet tracking" capabilities and preserve engine life. The tanks will be equipped with a digital battle control system.
    In addition, the army is considering the possibility of implementing a software-defined radio system (SDR), which will provide data, voice and image transmission in real time. The ERP Hierarchy (SDR) will also support battlefield control systems (BMS) being developed in India. According to experts, this system is an analogue of the Russian Constellation Complex-2M.
    It is planned that by the 2020, the Indian army will have about 1700 T-90 tanks, which, along with the upgraded T-72, will form the basis of India’s armored power.

    The Indians have something to compare with, the Germans still, and this is more than two decades they have not been able to bring "Ajuna" to them, so there is no need to look for crime where there is none ...
  • Akim
    Akim 22 June 2013 20: 08 New
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    Quote: svp67
    The Indians have many complaints about the T90, but least of all the engine.

    I can give about the Indian T-90 (in the first person), if there are no problems with English.
    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-army/51409-t-90-mass-confusion.html
    It’s hot in the desert, not enough air in the mountains. And across the border you can see how T-80UD and Al-Khalid are rushing around.
    But for our area, probably "B" is more reliable.
    Our conversation has moved to the level: what is better than a Jaguar or Porsche?
  • svp67
    svp67 22 June 2013 20: 14 New
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    Quote: Akim
    It’s hot in the desert, not enough air in the mountains. And across the border you can see how T-80UD and Al-Khalid are rushing around.
    Better to say, which tank will go where the T90. You say T80ud are worn, I doubt very much that in the Caucasus everything was just the opposite, since a "two-stroke diesel" by definition is more demanding on the volume of consumed air, it just needs more ...
  • Akim
    Akim 22 June 2013 20: 25 New
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    Quote: svp67
    Let’s better say what tank will go where the T90 is.

    I can ask a question to the Pakistanis. The Indians do not know. But they have a biased opinion (they have Al-Khalid the top of perfection).
    I do not care. I wonder how you care.
  • svp67
    svp67 22 June 2013 20: 31 New
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    Quote: Akim
    I do not care. I wonder how you care.
    I don’t care, I just try to look at things more objectively. Yes, until some time, the T80U was our best tank, but this time has already passed, and in terms of reliability, it is possible to evaluate only the practice and operation of the T72 and T90 much higher than the T64, T80UD. And you know it’s better to have a tank always ready for battle, albeit a little worse than the neighbor’s, than a stronger, but less reliable ...
  • Akim
    Akim 22 June 2013 20: 39 New
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    Quote: svp67
    I don’t care, I just try to look at things more objectively

    Really, will your plans change from your or my opinion at the General Staff? No one in Ukraine will refuse from the T-64.
    As for the export ...
    To me in parallel, what is being pushed beyond the hill.
  • svp67
    svp67 22 June 2013 20: 41 New
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    Quote: Akim
    Really, will your plans change from your or my opinion at the General Staff?

    drinks
  • Akim
    Akim 22 June 2013 21: 16 New
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    Quote: svp67

    drinks

    I care more. that Poland is buying the whole Leo2A5 brigade, but we have nothing to answer for them urgently. But this is a separate issue, not modernization.
  • svp67
    svp67 22 June 2013 21: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    I care more. that Poland is buying the whole Leo2A5 brigade, but we have nothing to answer for them urgently. But this is a separate issue, not modernization.

    And what about Krasnopol?
  • Akim
    Akim 22 June 2013 21: 24 New
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    Quote: svp67
    And what about Krasnopol?

    And we also have a nuclear power unit.
    Tanks parity on tanks.
  • Kars
    Kars 22 June 2013 21: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    . that Poland buys the whole Leo2A5 brigade

    When it was replayed from A4 to A5
  • Akim
    Akim 22 June 2013 21: 39 New
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    Quote: Kars
    When it was replayed from A4 to A5

    Here Damian sent: http://www.altair.com.pl/news/view?news_id=10344
    128 tanks from them only 15 A4.
  • Kars
    Kars 22 June 2013 21: 54 New
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    So it has not yet been completed.

    и

    in the end, a decision was made on tanks in the A4 and A5 variety with Rheinmetall 120 mm L / 44 Glattrohrkanone-5280 mm cannons. Not selected varieties A6 in the Netherlands with guns 55 caliber long (6600 mm long), in

    with a short gun is not very scary.
  • Akim
    Akim 22 June 2013 22: 03 New
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    L44 generally matches our L48. They will have an advantage in another.
  • Kars
    Kars 22 June 2013 22: 14 New
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    Quote: Akim
    L44 generally matches our L48. They will have an advantage in another

    But Leopard A4 does not surpass anything, which is already in service with the Poles. Regarding the OMS and thermal imagers, you need to look at what happens, since the equipment may vary.

    And on Bulat to put a thermal imager, only will and money are needed. There should not be technical difficulties.
  • Akim
    Akim 22 June 2013 22: 19 New
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    A5 is significantly superior to A4 in frontal booking. Well, and the OMS. That A4, that A5 - Ukraine anyway urgently does not build a hundred Bulat, although the Poles are more friendly to Ukraine than the Romanians.
  • Kars
    Kars 22 June 2013 22: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    A5 significantly surpasses A4 in frontal booking

    this is not as critical as it seems.
    Quote: Akim
    Anyway, Ukraine will not urgently build a hundred Bulatov
    why? maybe a hundred strongholds and will not build quickly - but to upgrade T-64 to Bulat or E completely.
  • Akim
    Akim 22 June 2013 23: 20 New
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    Quote: Kars
    - But to upgrade the T-64 to Bulat or E completely.

    It took 8 years to re-equip the brigade. I would like to quickly. Although the plant can upgrade 40-50 tanks per year without distraction from the main products.
  • Kars
    Kars 22 June 2013 23: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    It took 8 years for the team to re-equip

    financing. And in case of need not only Kharkov but also tank repair plants will work.
  • Akim
    Akim 22 June 2013 23: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    And in case of need not only Kharkov will work

    By the way. Watching Death Report - I spit.
    Now about "Bulat" to build it is half the trouble. The crews still need to be retrained.
    PS In case of panic, the bourgeois will flee and they will take everything with them.
  • Kars
    Kars 22 June 2013 23: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Crews still need to be retrained.

    Strongly retrain from BV to Bulat? Train on available during construction.
    Quote: Akim
    PS In case of panic, the bourgeois will flee and they will take everything with them.

    Well, the bourgeoisie is also greedy, they just won’t give up their feeders. The main thing is that Yanyk would do it.
  • Alexander D.
    Alexander D. 23 June 2013 17: 23 New
    +1
    Unfortunately, from the Bulatov they poked PNV in the amount of over 1,5 million UAH. I don’t know how much it is in pieces
    http://wartime.org.ua/6712-posadovc-mnoboroni-rozkradayut-boyepripasi-rozbirayut
    -tanki-na-zapchastini.html

    And you say thermal imagers ... crying
  • Kars
    Kars 23 June 2013 19: 39 New
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    Quote: Alexander D.
    Unfortunately, from the Bulatov they poked PNV in the amount of over 1,5 million UAH. I don’t know how much it is in pieces

    Quote: Alexander D.
    And you say thermal imagers ...

    But it’s better to screw it on. And shake the ensigns. Surely the security system will be improved.
  • svp67
    svp67 22 June 2013 20: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-army/51409-t-90-mass-confusion.html

    Have you read it yourself? People quite professionally discuss the characteristics of the T90 and projects for its modernization. Crying, only ordinary - Indians all think that we do not reveal all the secrets to them ... But this is their mania. I remember how they, throwing off all their stiffness, ran to our tanks, when, during preparation for underwater driving, they checked the Brod system and an "air duct" pipe appeared from the hull, and they thought that on Russian tanks, unlike those supplied they installed some kind of rocket launchers ... They laughed hard, as the Indians received machines MORE perfect than we had recourse
  • Akim
    Akim 22 June 2013 20: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: svp67

    Have you read it yourself? People quite professionally discuss
    characteristics of the T90 and its modernization projects.

    It would be strange to give without reading. In general, there are many topics on the forum about the T-90. I am not saying that he is worse. (I did not see live either one or the other). Just saying what problems come up in India.
  • svp67
    svp67 22 June 2013 22: 03 New
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    Quote: Akim
    Just saying what problems come up in India.
    Well, there is something to criticize, let them criticize, it means there are opportunities for modernization, but nevertheless they are not going to refuse, knowing full well what was in store ...
  • Kars
    Kars 22 June 2013 22: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    but nevertheless, they are not going to refuse, realizing perfectly what was awash with soap ...

    And where are the devats? A thousand T-90 and 2 thousand T-72. But with this, Arjun is still pulling.
  • svp67
    svp67 22 June 2013 22: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    But at this time Arjun is still pulling.

    The image does not allow, how many years they pull - they pull ... The Turks spun faster. Pakistan also rivets "its" "freak" ...
  • Kars
    Kars 22 June 2013 22: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    Image doesn’t allow, how many years they pull - they pull

    Image is everything.
    Quote: svp67
    Turks spun faster

    Well, South Korea is helping them, so it’s not clear how much Turkish there is.
    Quote: svp67
    Pakistan also rivets "its" "freak" ...

    And the engine is just ours. Probably after the operation of the T-80 UD Pakistan all the same, they appreciated the engine, although they could have gotten through China clones ВХХ
  • svp67
    svp67 23 June 2013 00: 30 New
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    Quote: Kars
    Well, South Korea is helping them, so it’s not clear how much Turkish there is.
    And the Indians are Germans, but the bottom line ... crying
    Quote: Kars
    And the engine is just ours. Probably after the operation of the T-80 UD Pakistan all the same, they appreciated the engine, although they could have gotten through China clones ВХХ
    There is not only the engine, but all the MTO. From the point of supply and technical support, the solution is right ...
  • Kars
    Kars 23 June 2013 08: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    From the point of supply and technical support, the solution is right ...


    Vryatli even these factors would help a bad engine.
  • Kars
    Kars 23 June 2013 09: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    And the Indians are Germans, but the result

    By the way, he looked --- there are Germans compared to Koreans for the Turks, little things - one engine with a transmission.
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 24 June 2013 18: 58 New
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    Do not talk about love (for 5tdf, etc.), everything is said about it! laughing
    And more than once by practitioners, and not by zhurnalyugami ...
  • svp67
    svp67 22 June 2013 21: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: self-propelled
    What other complaints are there about the T-64?
    Do you have the whole list?
  • self-propelled
    self-propelled 22 June 2013 16: 36 New
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    Quote: svp67
    This machine requires higher training for both crew and support services.

    well, any more or less modern technique requires qualified training and support. it is a fact. it is impossible to resist high-tech technology with "arrows and spears" in your hands. how do you want? times of "Neanderthals", alas, are over request
    1. svp67
      svp67 22 June 2013 16: 44 New
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      Quote: self-propelled
      well, so any more or less modern technology requires qualified training

      Yes, I agree, but in relation to the T72 family, qualifications are less demanding than to the T64 ...
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  • Akim
    Akim 22 June 2013 18: 17 New
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    Quote: self-propelled
    why? is the tank really so bad?

    We will say that. Rn is not bad and not good. This is just a separate branch. If you put it into service it is necessary to completely change the logistics. In this case, the rich countries will take either the T-80UD or BM Oplot, and the poor buyers are not able to change such a coordinate.
    1. Cyber7
      Cyber7 22 June 2013 18: 38 New
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      For the driver trained on the T-64, switching to the T-72 is not a problem.
      But what is the difference (coordinately) from the T-64 (and higher) from the T-55-56? The presence of the fourth crew member. And the rate of fire of a tank is primarily determined not by the speed of rotation of the automatic loader (as in the T-64 and above), but by the strength, attitude, and laziness of an ordinary loader. And here it is a serious factor.
      1. svp67
        svp67 22 June 2013 18: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Cyber7
        And the rate of fire of a tank is primarily determined not by the speed of rotation of the automatic loader (as in the T-64 or higher), but by the strength, attitude and laziness of an ordinary loader. And here it is a serious factor.

        At Т54-62, the issue of loading speed is solved much easier when the tank commander really is, and does not execute the number ...
      2. Cat
        Cat 22 June 2013 18: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: Cyber7
        And the rate of fire of a tank is primarily determined not by the speed of rotation of the automatic loader (as in the T-64 or higher), but by the strength, attitude and laziness of an ordinary loader. And here it is a serious factor.

        in battle, when they shoot at you - such a thing as "laziness"does not exist. But the concept fatigue - exists, and very much affects the performance of the loader (and not only him).
        In addition: for AZ deeply do not care how the tank moves. But to the loader, it’s a pleasure to drag a pood shell when the tank moves along the intersection and at good speed. And if the gun is caliber, and the shell is heavier? That's it =)
        1. Cyber7
          Cyber7 22 June 2013 19: 19 New
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          Quote: Cat
          But the concept of fatigue exists, and very much affects the performance of the loader (and not only him).

          This is exactly what I meant. The T-64 fires 6 times per minute, regardless of the speed of the tank, the roughness of the terrain and the "frailty" of the loader, who catches a missed projectile underfoot for 2-3 minutes.
          Although the amers tied their loader on Abrams to the tower, but statistics say that he had the most injuries.
          And at our training ground, when the student was loading, the tank could not do 2 rounds per minute.
          In addition, we have a separate shell - a shell and a charge (a sleeve with gunpowder and a tray). It is clear that the stabilizer helps him as he can. But 2-3 minutes of crawling along the bottom of the tank may not help.
          Something like that.
      3. svp67
        svp67 22 June 2013 19: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: Cyber7
        For the driver trained on the T-64, switching to the T-72 is not a problem.
        In this direction, YES, but on the contrary, it is already problematic ... And not in terms of driving, but in terms of service ...
        1. Cyber7
          Cyber7 22 June 2013 19: 48 New
          +1
          For people who served a year, not two - I completely agree. They do not really look into the transmission. That there is a big problem not only in tank units.
          And for those who served 2 years - even switch to the T-34 - a couple of days, no more. Just a matter of practice.
          Incidentally,
          Quote: svp67
          when the tank commander really is,

          But this is another powerful problem for the tank crews.
  • dustycat
    dustycat 22 June 2013 20: 16 New
    +1
    Installation of KAZ, tandem AB, optics detection system, UO control, modern sight, Chinese AZ on the rear of the turret, on-board dynamic screens, aft armored tanks, T80 tracks, a powerful Chinese or licensed diesel engine.

    About 70% of the price of a modern new.
    Given the fact that at the price of ferrous metal they can be bought in compositions near the resuscitation site.

    Already a good gesheft, right?
  • bask
    bask 22 June 2013 07: 47 New
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    The publication does not mention the Omsk modification of the T-55M6.
    In my opinion, the best modernization of the tank.
    In the aft of the tower, an armored ammunition box is placed. Inside it, isolated from the fighting compartment, there could be up to 22 separate shots.
    To increase the survivability of the tank, knockouts are provided on the top of the box.
    A new automatic loader has been created.
    1. Smirnov Vadim
      Smirnov Vadim 22 June 2013 07: 57 New
      +6
      And that Omsk is not in Russia, abroad? The article is called - "Foreign modernization of T-54/55 tanks"
      1. bask
        bask 22 June 2013 09: 07 New
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        Quote: Smirnov Vadim
        ck not in Russia, abroad? The article is called - "Foreign modernization of T-54/55 tanks"

        He considered Ukrainian modernization to be his own.
        And the Omsk modernization of the T-55M6, I think the best, is presented.
        Israeli-Slovenian modernization of T54 / 55. FOR the armed forces of Vietnam.
        Armament T-54 / 55M3 - 105-mm L7 gun and coaxial machine gun PKT 7,62 mm caliber. The upgraded tank is further reinforced by the Israeli Blazer hinged dynamic protection. It has a Russian SOU and Ukrainian transmission. MAWS 6056 d 1000 l / s diesel engine.
        1. Akim
          Akim 22 June 2013 09: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: bask
          And the Omsk modernization of the T-55M6, I think the best, is presented.

          Do you have information on its fire capabilities? The fact is that at exhibitions he was dragged with an AZ box, but without him. Therefore, he didn’t go anywhere beyond the exhibitions
          1. bask
            bask 22 June 2013 10: 39 New
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            Quote: Akim
            Do you have information on its fire capabilities? The fact is that at exhibitions he was dragged with an AZ box, but without

            According to T-55M6. There is no information on fire opportunities. And you do not confuse Omsk modernizations T-55M6 and T - 55M5 - this one is valid without a box.
            T-55M5 with a 100-mm D-10T2S gun, a PKTM machine gun, as well as a 12,7 mm ,, Cord ,, machine gun and an AG-30 automatic grenade launcher. It installed a new JMA, with the possibility of installing guided weapons. The gun received a heat shield. Multi-channel sight with integrated laser rangefinder. Missiles such as ,, Arkan ,, capable of a range of up to 5500 meters and penetrate up to 800 mm of armor. The tank commander received an upgraded device TKN-1SM.
            1. Akim
              Akim 22 June 2013 11: 02 New
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              Quote: bask
              According to T-55M6. There is no information on fire opportunities. And you do not confuse Omsk modernizations T-55M6 and T - 55M5 - this one is valid without a box.

              I do not confuse. The machine itself really wasn’t. It was a dummy. The machine was under development. Otherwise, there would be no place for the Chinese upgrade.
              . Missiles such as ,, Arkan ,, capable of a range of up to 5500 meters and penetrate up to 800 mm of armor

              Penetration of a cumulative charge directly depends on the mass of the warhead. Therefore, 800 mm piercing for a 100 mm projectile is not realistic. 500-550 mm is a more acceptable figure. Although this is not bad.
              1. svp67
                svp67 22 June 2013 16: 46 New
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                Quote: Akim
                Penetration of a cumulative charge directly depends on the mass of the warhead

                and also on the material and size of the "funnel" and some design solutions ...
                1. Akim
                  Akim 22 June 2013 18: 30 New
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                  Quote: svp67
                  and also on the material and size of the "funnel" and some design solutions ...

                  Well, of course - this is not a direct relationship. But agree. Tank TOUR is not a shot to RPG-7. Designers are limited by the size of the projectile.
      2. sergey261180
        sergey261180 22 June 2013 09: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: Smirnov Vadim
        And what is Omsk not in Russia, abroad?

        This is zamkadye. laughing
    2. svp67
      svp67 22 June 2013 12: 37 New
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      Quote: bask
      The publication does not mention the Omsk modification of the T-55M6.

      I agree with you in evaluating this machine, but how could it be in an article with the title:
      Foreign modernization of tanks T-54 / 55
  • Akim
    Akim 22 June 2013 08: 34 New
    +1
    It is good that the Romanians did not replace the gun with the L7 or the RM120L44. While their tanks are not dangerous, (although they have an Israeli BOPS, it does not pose a threat to the T-64B (BV)), but they have plans and preliminary agreements to get a hundred AMX-30V2 and upgrade the rest of the TR-85 with the French.
  • toldanger
    toldanger 22 June 2013 09: 59 New
    +1
    Slovenian modernization looks very sympathetic. They approached this issue with a soul.
  • dustycat
    dustycat 22 June 2013 10: 05 New
    +4
    Very reasonable upgrades, except for one - when the volume of reserved fuel tanks was doubled.
    What, besides the laziness of our generals from the Moscow Region and the Ministry of Transportation and Commerce and Industry, thinks it is also preventing Russia from approaching the modernization of the T72, T90, T80 and a whole bunch of T62 and T64?

    Why does a modern tank need one and a half tons of fuel?
    To advance into the coverage area. (Yeah, it’s necessary - to external non-armored tanks)
    To patrol. (Yeah, I have to - there too)
    For warfare. (On the day of the move - in armored tanks - the ammunition in any case is faster to end).
    To evacuate from the battlefield. (In the most unaffected place that does not cause problems when defeated if the chassis is slightly affected, which is unlikely).

    The battle if it began, then the net time of fire contact will be no more than 6-8 hours a day.
    For more ammunition is not enough - read the stories and reports of those who fought in Chechnya and the conflict 080808.

    The main reason for tanks leaving the battle is not fuel shortage, but poor crew protection, increased flammability due to excess armored, shortage of ammunition. Then there is a battle defeat with fire or detonation.
    Detonation - due to excess fuel and ammunition in the reserved habitable volume.
    Tank rack - to the salon of the land cruisers of the manufacturers.

    Due to the excess fuel in the supply room, there is an increased fire hazard in case of damage with a poor fire extinguishing installation. A maximum of two operations is too small for survivability.

    To get hit with fire, to put out during the battle, then to get another hit, to leave the battle in a burning car, to extinguish it in the river and then back into battle - beautiful and heroic
    for movies and patriotic video reports from the battlefield. Often a fairly deep river or reservoir was simply not nearby.

    At a flow rate of 300-500 g / hr for a day of battle and evacuation from under fire in the event of a defeat, more than 100-150 liters per wagon are enough.
    The rest is in external finely segmented tanks on the aft sheet and on caterpillar shelves with additional armoring and pressurized exhaust.
    Released volume - for additional reservation of inhabited volumes, fire extinguishing system, armored ammunition.

    Ammunition under the tower floor in a segmented reservation. And book the floor of the tower and the walls of the fighting compartment under the tower. Definitely. Is it better to fly out of the tank with the turret when the ammunition explodes than just evaporate? It is necessary to put experiments on cadavres and mannequins. But it will increase the chances of survival anyway.
    Will this complicate the evacuation of the CF through the tower ?! And now he has 60 seconds to remove the sections, climb into the fighting compartment (despite the fact that with some turns of the tower this is impossible in principle) and climb out of the tower in a cloud of burning solarium or burning powder charges under sniper shots ?!
    It is much more reasonable to attach the automatic turning of the tower to a position guaranteeing the ability to use the MV with your hatch with an enhanced fire extinguishing system.
    By reducing (or completely removing it completely) the volume of fuel tanks in the control compartment, place an additional fiberglass or carbon fiber 30-50mm capsule for MV.

    Increase the ammunition due to how it was done on the "black hawk". In a hinged armored box on the rear of the tower with an automatic loader, with a knockout top and additional dynamic tandem protection. 20-30 shots not destroying the tank instead of 7-10 guaranteed destruction eliminated in the rack tank.
    1. svp67
      svp67 22 June 2013 12: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: dustycat
      Will this complicate the evacuation of the CF through the tower ?! And now he has 60 seconds to remove sections, climb into the fighting compartment (despite the fact that with some turns of the tower this is basically impossible)

      This corresponds to the Ministry of Health, but this is not required in tanks with AZ ...
      Quote: dustycat
      It is much more reasonable to attach the automatic turning of the tower to a position guaranteeing the ability to use the MV with your hatch with an enhanced fire extinguishing system.

      The mechanic, on the dashboard has a toggle switch "Turning the cap", when pressed, the turret is rotated (transferred) ... In my opinion, it is better to take out the ammunition for the cannon into a separate, isolated box, providing it with knockout panels and it is high time to bring to mind "liquid propellants ", which will allow both to increase the ammunition capacity of the tank, and to increase its security ...
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 22 June 2013 19: 57 New
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        The toggle switch can be.
        Only after falling into a fire in the MTO for some reason, the electricity disappears.
        And this MV contraption has to be opened manually if nothing prevents you from getting out through it.
        In addition, the experience of street fighting shows that with one hit the enemy is rarely satisfied. A couple of hits at least should follow a stopped car.
        If at the same time the lower hatch is blocked by fragments of building structures - which is quite normal during street battles in the NP - the MV has problems.

        With liquid throwing mixtures, everything is still very complicated even on a Swedish tank.
        They again need to be stored somewhere.
        In addition, it is still necessary to somehow shelter high-explosive fragmentation shells from the behind-the-shelf action.
        1. Cyber7
          Cyber7 22 June 2013 20: 31 New
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          Quote: dustycat
          Only after falling into a fire in the MTO for some reason, the electricity disappears.

          Which tanks?
          On the MV console there is a toggle switch that disconnects the power from the generator, which automatically transfers on-board power to the batteries, which the MV has just behind. On batteries (fully charged), even the stabilizer can work 5-7 minutes. True, then they can be thrown away.
          A competent MV fixes this problem at a time.
          1. dustycat
            dustycat 22 June 2013 22: 00 New
            +1
            According to the Chechen experience.
            On the T64 in particular.
            Only from the words of MV, the batteries were in front of him and in order to de-energize (the wiring started to burn) he had to climb into the nose of the compartment.
            I personally have not been to T64, I climbed the T72, T80 and T90.
            There, the batteries are really at hand for the MV and the toggle switches are on the switchboard.
            However, there were cases when, when the car was damaged, the trunk lifting mechanism failed and the trunk stupidly lied on the hatch of the MV.
            MV it was worth the life.
            Again, the toggle switch did not help.
            What else puzzled the T80 was the location of the ammunition in the MOH and the cable drive of this design. Layout (for small differences in the layout of the OS and BO) T80 is more like T64 (according to the major that he showed the car).
            The same styling mechanism. So the problem with the evacuation should be the same.
            So an automatic barrel removal from the hatch MV is needed. And not electric.
            The same applies to the case of installing AZ in a canopy on the rear of the tower.
            1. Cyber7
              Cyber7 22 June 2013 22: 05 New
              +1
              By the way, yes.
              I remembered that the "cap flap" button only works when the stabilizer is on. If the stabilizer is not started and / or the turret / barrel is stuck or jammed - cranks.
              Yes, but in this case nothing will help at all. No automation or manual control.
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 24 June 2013 18: 55 New
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      Stop writing theoretical bullshit! laughing
      Tank design engineer found! am
      "When 300-500 g / hour consumption per day of battle and evacuation from under fire in case of defeat is more than enough 100-150 liters in the reserve. " wassat
      100-150 liters in the reserve! Clever or what? Yes, this is a drop for the tank! In severe field conditions, 10 or more liters per km!
      "Fire contact" (the words themselves sound laughing )6-8 hours, "get hit with fire, extinguish then again into battle." It is unlikely!
      For your information, the manufacturer guarantees the operation of the tank systems and assemblies with 1-2 hits without breaking through the armor.
      If there has already been a "breakthrough", then most likely "turn off the lighting, empty the room", although it does not always mean an irrecoverable loss ...
      For 6-8 hours of "fire contact" you will forget your name!
      "And the floor of the tower itself and the walls of the fighting compartment under the tower should be armored."
      And now there is plywood, or something.
      Around fools, designers, generals, tankers, one clever read a lot of popular literature and fell from it, as the classic wrote, from the front and from the bottom.
      Yes, in order to introduce something from what you read at a serious, effective level, they have been doing the so-called Armata for a year now. They can’t bring it in any way, not just that.
      Well, by the way, dreaming is not harmful. wink
      But in the army, in armored forces it is generally useful to serve.
      For clarity in the brain.
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 26 June 2013 22: 25 New
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        About 10l per km in difficult field conditions - a little waved.
        And I know where the legs grow from this expense.
        Rummage in the internet you will know for yourself.
        If you take a BTM (you know what?) Then under working conditions on clay soil its consumption when digging a full profile trench 3-4l per kilometer. From my personal practice.
        So what mode of operation is it ?!
        So we also chased the hare on it ... And, by the way, we had to refuel it, for a whole month, with buckets. While the electric pump from the spare part was not repaired by me using improvised means.

        When fighting 090808 on the basis of peacekeepers, the main reason for the tank to leave the battlefield and to withdraw the unit from the place of deployment - the ammunition is completely out - ammunition for machine guns and motorized infantry assault rifles. The shells ran out even earlier. At the same time, there was enough fuel in the internal tanks to exit - all the external ones and one to the left of the MV were broken and fuel was left even before the tunnel and back. At the same time, the tank itself was twice struck before breaking through the armor (there were more than two without breaking through), it burned, but was extinguished. And after that, he fought for another half day.
        Shots like a tank being knocked on, lighted up, put out, goes into battle again, set on fire again (with a defeat in the tank rack, by the way) is stewed in the river and again halfway across the country saw the battle. In the second Chechen.

        About 6-8 hours it is written MAXIMUM. Moreover, under the terms of real operations in Chechnya and the conflict, 080808. Everything is on the Internet. There is no talk of continuous combat contact at 6-8 hours. With breaks! The maximum duration of one battle is with Achkhoy Maratna and fixed - 30-37 minutes. The average battle duration for the three conflicts analyzed is 10-15 minutes.
        The infantryman, in principle, cannot take more time to conduct an attack - he cannot run legs with a massive adrenaline rush in full ammunition - there will not be enough breathing room. And all the durations of active battles are determined by this very limit. Even in Syria.

        And what separates the ammunition rack from the "cockpit" in the turret? The difference from 10 mm plywood is small. It is enough to look into the T-64 turret. (T72 and T90 are not better). I'm darling about her. The bee-laying is definitely like in the "Black Eagle" or the Romanian "Bison" in the canopy on the tower.

        About the guarantee about 1-2 hits without breaking through are also in the know.
        This is in all charters.
        And who will give more? Even Merkava and Abrams have no such guarantee.
        But there are a lot of examples when, with 1-2 defeats with penetration of armor, the crew managed to extinguish the fire (mainly entering a reservoir). And even resume the battle. (One case was definitely, two are still in doubt, I check the data as I can)
        Therefore, the fire extinguishing system must be brought to the level of Merkava and no less.

        And how the generals and the designer get along and think - the whole Internet is screeching and slobbering from both sides you protect on this occasion.
        And there is no approval either for the ideas of the generals or for the ideas of designers from those who, in the "results" of these "ideas," burn and perform feats.
        So far, only one general has dared to analyze and publish.
        That would be to look at his materials.

        And then. Why so boil? I expressed my assessment based on the analysis of the available OPEN data.
        If you have better suggestions and more data - state your ideas.
        Let’s think. We discuss.

        There may not be much sense, but whoever looks at the doctor’s thread using our chatter will protect, and there it can reach real iron. In 20-30 years.

        PS: and the words about fire contact and the like are all from the generals open reports if that. Solid red tape.
  • alihan.kz
    alihan.kz 22 June 2013 14: 43 New
    +2
    she appeared in 1949 and still stands in the service of many countries, it is worthy of respect
  • alex67
    alex67 22 June 2013 15: 01 New
    +1
    ARTICLE PLUS, EVERYBODY ATTEMPTS AS A RESULT ON THE BASIS OF ONE
    TANKA APPEARED TENS OF MODIFICATIONS FOR DIFFERENT CLIMATE ZONES AND
    DIFFERENT MILITARY SCHOOLS.
    MY FRIEND SERVED ON THE T-55 IN BELARUS, AND THEN ALREADY IN ISRAEL.
    IN HIS WORDS THIS IS A VERY GOOD TANK. hi
  • self-propelled
    self-propelled 22 June 2013 16: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    It’s hard for blacks to explain that 64 is not 72, even if a smaller number.

    with due regard to the technician, there will be no problems.
  • datur
    datur 22 June 2013 16: 56 New
    +1
    And all so, our t-54 is a thing !!!
  • sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 22 June 2013 18: 57 New
    +1
    For Africa, that machine itself ... I liked the Ukrainian modernization!
  • Tan4ik
    Tan4ik 22 June 2013 19: 03 New
    +1
    Chinese, Serbian, Romanian and Polish are very attractive in appearance.
  • Genady1976
    Genady1976 23 June 2013 01: 34 New
    +2
    Syrian modernization of the T-55 DZ repeat
  • Argon
    Argon 23 June 2013 04: 29 New
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    I liked the Iraqi version of "Enigma" very much, I did not think that the Iraqis had the technological potential for such work. The Slovenian version is not bad, but in my opinion it is a little expensive. The Chinese, in my opinion, can hardly be called "modernization", taking into account the volume of alterations, a completely independent MBT. modernization of our tanks is interesting, but I would like to have more specifics for each specific one, for example, the "Omsk version" is not shown, it is very interesting, although a little out of the topic of the article is still a Russian development.
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 24 June 2013 18: 33 New
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    It is clear that the T-55 has a modernization potential.
    But, from the article it is clear only that there are options.
    Quote: Tan4ik
    Chinese, Serbian, Romanian and Polish are very attractive in appearance.

    This is, sorry, the approach of a boy with a big ....
    Appearance can not say anything about technical quality modernization and its price.
    Here on the site there was an interesting article how they wanted to make BMP BMP from Bulgaria and what came of it ... what
    For myself, I would prefer not to make new tanks out of 55-current, because you can’t jump higher than horseradish.
    But remelting is not reasonable.
    It is necessary to develop a successful modernization with an optimal price-quality ratio and sell it on the sly to "Indians and Negroes" in the tank version, heavy. BTR, BMP, etc.
    On the principle of "cheap and cheerful".
    1. 236 BTR
      236 BTR 28 October 2017 22: 00 New
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      Gluttonous BTR will come out
  • DOTS
    DOTS 25 January 2015 22: 50 New
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    All this branch is a solid nonsense about tanks. Kokl argue whose eggs are cooler. So what. Is this a topic for discussion on the VO forum? Rave. Everything and moderators a big minus. Or are you traitors?
  • 236 BTR
    236 BTR 28 October 2017 21: 58 New
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    Hmm, my uncle served them, (75-77gg) in Western Ukraine, I studied at this ...