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"Armatu" we will not see

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The latest development of Uralvagonzavod (UVZ), the Armata tank, will not be presented at the upcoming exhibition in September in Nizhny Tagil due to the secrecy of this development. About this at a meeting in the government dedicated to the organization of this exhibition, told the news agencies the director general of the UVZ Oleg Sienko.


Earlier, representatives of the Russian Ministry of Defense said that the first models of equipment created on the basis of the latest tank Armata platforms will be presented for the first time at the Russia Arms Expo-2013 exhibition, which will be held in Nizhny Tagil.

“Armata” will not be represented at this event. Do you think it is possible to make the secret development public? We eventually work for the Motherland, not for the uncle, ”Sienko snapped. Many experts considered that such a sharp answer to a simple and obvious question testifies first of all to the fact that tank builders, apparently, are not ready to present their work to the general public.

It remains to add that the international exhibition of armaments, military equipment and ammunition Rassian Arms Expo (RAE) is held from 1999 year every two years in Nizhny Tagil, Sverdlovsk region at the Staratel training ground of the Nizhny Tagil Metal Testing Institute. It alternates with the international exhibition of defense equipment of the Russian Defense Expo, which is held here in even-numbered years. This year, RAE will be held from 25 to 28 in September under the patronage of the Russian government. The exhibition is organized by the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia and the Government of the Sverdlovsk Region, and preparation for the event is led by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin. And the statement of the general director of UVZ on the eve of the opening of this exhibition is not the best advertisement for it.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 21 June 2013 11: 31 New
    13
    The news has already flickered on the site, but of course it is better to carefully prepare everything so as not to disgrace. The stakes are very high hi
    1. mark1
      mark1 21 June 2013 11: 41 New
      14
      Why shame there? To clean the tracks and the barrel to tint, and you can demonstrate in statics. It would be something to clean and paint.
      1. Kars
        Kars 21 June 2013 13: 33 New
        17
        They showed a black eagle with a covered tower. What is the problem here? Or maybe you can make a lot of concrete conclusions about the appearance of the T-90MS? About the shell resistance of armor, about the quality properties of optical instruments and so on? Ammunition?
        1. svp67
          svp67 22 June 2013 17: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: Kars
          A black eagle was shown with a covered tower.

          They want to show the "Armata" in several versions, since it is the "basic tracked chassis", and this takes time ...
          1. Kars
            Kars 22 June 2013 18: 24 New
            +3
            Quote: svp67
            They want to show the armature in several versions, since it is the "basic tracked chassis", and this takes time.


            Really? And they didn’t understand this a year ago when they promised to show? When, almost every two weeks, did they say something about Armata?

            Something like this is very similar to a good face in a bad game.
            1. svp67
              svp67 22 June 2013 20: 08 New
              0
              Quote: Kars
              Really? And they didn’t understand this a year ago when they promised to show? When, almost every two weeks, did they say something about Armata?
              Something like this is very similar to a good face in a bad game.

              "Everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing the battle from the side ..." The machine is new, in many respects revolutionary and just like that it doesn’t appear, I can even say more, then in 2014, it may not be exactly what will go to the troops.
              1. Grot.sereda
                Grot.sereda 23 July 2014 20: 21 New
                0
                I’m eager to see “Armat”, but we will tolerate. Work calmly and do not be distracted. Thank you for being there.
      2. mark1
        mark1 21 June 2013 21: 54 New
        +3
        An interesting fact is that in 2008-2010 the T-95 tank was tested "decades ahead of everything that has been and will be created in world tank building." But they didn’t accept him, the motivation is too complicated, expensive, excessive protection, excessive firepower. But in return, we solemnly promised to develop a simpler version of the T-95 under the code "Armata". Time goes by and the “simple” and “technological” “Armata” are still somewhere beyond the horizon.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 22 June 2013 17: 59 New
          +1
          A simple and technologically advanced product is really harder to come up with than an expensive and complex one. There is no contradiction.
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    3. lelikas
      lelikas 21 June 2013 12: 17 New
      15
      Quote: seasoned
      The news has already flickered on the site
      -
      This news is no longer news :)))))

      I’m wondering - is there a tank hull that travels around the landfill, there are satellites that are likely to follow it, t, e, again, it turns out that everyone saw it except us? (Or is the landfill covered?)
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 21 June 2013 12: 42 New
        +4
        And I really wanted to see this miracle of technology. At least the appearance was laid out without technical specifications.
        1. Ustian
          Ustian 21 June 2013 13: 38 New
          13
          Quote: Ruslan_F38
          And I really wanted to see this miracle of technology. At least the appearance was laid out without technical specifications.

          I would like to look at the even rows of hundreds of these tanks with crews next to them !!! sad
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 13: 07 New
        +7
        Quote: lelikas
        I’m wondering - is there a tank hull that travels around the landfill, there are satellites that are likely to follow it, t, e, again, it turns out that everyone saw it except us? (Or is the landfill covered?)

        Drive around the landfill when the cloud cover is laughing
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 21 June 2013 18: 40 New
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Drive around the landfill when the cloud cover is

          Dear Leonid Ilyich thought about this - therefore, you will fly to the Sun at night ...
          laughing
      3. dimitriy
        dimitriy 21 June 2013 13: 13 New
        +5
        I recalled a funny incident. One day, in Auchan, my son bought a toy tank with a strange tower that says T-90. I was also surprised, here, I think, the Chinese dreamers! A few months later I saw the first demonstration of this tank. Putin also shuffled him. It was called the T-90MS tank! What time!
      4. Ascetic
        Ascetic 21 June 2013 21: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: lelikas
        I’m wondering - is there a tank hull that travels around the landfill, there are satellites that are likely to follow it, t, e, again, it turns out that everyone saw it except us? (Or is the landfill covered?)


        You can travel around the training ground taking into account the time of flight of foreign satellites over its territory, that is, given the satellite environment ... There will be enough time for testing and for the satellites to see nothing.
      5. svp67
        svp67 22 June 2013 17: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: lelikas
        I’m wondering - is there a tank hull that travels around the landfill, there are satellites that are likely to follow it, t, e, again, it turns out that everyone saw it except us? (Or is the landfill covered?)

        Well, firstly, there is such a thing - as countermeasures ... in our version, this is that the satellites do not weigh in geostationary orbit and the time of their flight is known to the nearest minute ...
        In addition, the tank during the movement raises a lot of dust, which serves as a kind of protective cover from optical surveillance, in terms of identification ...
        -Yes and honestly, I think that the Amers already have a photo of this car, as the Chinese do, too ... intelligence doesn’t sleep, especially if you look at the length of the lines at the American Consulate in Yekaterinburg ...
    4. dustycat
      dustycat 21 June 2013 13: 24 New
      +2
      Merkava also did not flicker much at exhibitions.
      Obviously, Armata is not for sale.
      Either it cannot be patented, or obviously no one will buy at the resulting price.
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 21 June 2013 14: 25 New
        +3
        Well, after reading the same Khlopotov, you can come up with another version.
        1. The line-up did turn out more than controversial
        2. The machine is still not ready and the easily predictable difficulties with the means of observation / aiming are only part of the problems (it is possible to demonstrate without devices, with their layouts)

        Well, and explanations of why they will not show - the feeling that the whole world who says the world considers idiots.
        About what people see at the exhibition, it became clear only now?
        When they were jabbering about what they would show, they had no idea that they would see the exhibition sample at the exhibitions? wink

        The most probable logic seems to be: when they battered, they asked for money from the state, promising a new tank in 3 years.

        Now we’ve got it, you can pull the deadlines ...

        Well, a simple conclusion - for bazaar the UVZ management did not accept their words ...
      2. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 21 June 2013 21: 03 New
        +1
        Merkava also did not flicker much at exhibitions.


        Merkava-4 at Eurosatori 2010:

    5. Old fox
      Old fox 21 June 2013 17: 01 New
      +1
      To see the author too subject got through))
    6. evg5835
      evg5835 21 June 2013 17: 27 New
      +1
      It's just that these zhurnalyugi were just forgive me ... here, they remained them. The provocateurs are bad. I do not digest them. On the successes of others, they are trying to establish their life. The time will come, as needed, the work is underway.
      In general, let those who owe it, and not the shop managers, comment on it. Everyone must do their job. Diluted democracy)))
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 21 June 2013 11: 31 New
    18
    Well, if only because of secrecy. wink
    1. fantast
      21 June 2013 11: 34 New
      13
      So I think, is it a matter of secrecy?
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 21 June 2013 12: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: fantast
        So I think, is it a matter of secrecy?

        The best UVZ personnel were lured to Moscow, so everything was stalled.
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 21 June 2013 13: 26 New
          0
          Are you the boss of the shop in mind ?!
          Most likely the price is such that for whom, besides the native MO, it is necessary.

          Well, the nameplates of “Made in rank” as you don’t paint over who sees the thread ...
          1. evg5835
            evg5835 21 June 2013 17: 31 New
            +1
            Prices with a strong desire can be significantly reduced over time. Something like that however)
            It amazes me that many here do not understand that the formula is relevant for Russia today: a strong industry is a strong army, and not vice versa!
          2. Garrin
            Garrin 23 June 2013 20: 37 New
            0
            Nah, she’s also assigned to the chief laborer of the shaggy bearded.
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    2. rolik
      rolik 21 June 2013 12: 15 New
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      Quote: Vladimirets
      Well, if only because of secrecy.

      Previously, comrades from UVZ and those close to them constantly praised the new tank:
      - And the tower is uninhabited, and it will shoot down rockets and planes, and the glass cockpit of the crew and much more ... a lot of things.
      It lasted several years. And how it came down to it ... super secrecy immediately appeared)))) What kind of secrecy in FIGs, the whole layout was blabbed out for a long time. So, I think we’ll almost never see anything new in appearance. Of course, there will be details and nuances, but the basic principle of layout is understandable. But brains, motor, shells, devices can not be shown. Even a cannon can be wrapped in camouflage so that the caliber is not determined. Show, at least that you, gentlemen with UVZ, have already accumulated. Let it pass before the people under its own power. And now, we see only pictures on the topic - this is what Armata will look like. They promised to show - show, the word should be kept. Or do you, gentlemen with UVZ, have to give another 20 years to finalize the product ??? For God's sake, work on it, just don’t rattle on every corner with your tongue about your genius. Modify silently, and we'll see how brilliant you are. Breakfast is already full.
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 21 June 2013 13: 11 New
        +6
        that for God's sake .. I personally am ready to pacify my curiosity .. if only I had the machine was put into the army without lagging behind and pushing the schedule. and the rest is not so important!
        for example, when the t-64 entered the army, it was kept secret for a long time, a couple of years for sure!
        By the way, Comrade Mechanic is not visible. he could shed any light on this matter.
        1. bddrus
          bddrus 21 June 2013 13: 29 New
          +1
          You can see the mechanic has already shed light in the wrong place))
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 21 June 2013 14: 10 New
            +1
            I hope that you are mistaken and the mechanics don’t have to cut a forest in Siberia for the rest of their lives or build a second BAM lol
            but in general he very restrainedly and briefly presented Old. it seems only about shelling the armature of the armata, about some nodes, i.e. about their readiness and no more. although maybe I missed something.
            1. Truffoff
              Truffoff 21 June 2013 14: 16 New
              -1
              Quote: silver_roman
              I hope that you are mistaken and the mechanics don’t have to cut a forest in Siberia for the rest of their lives or build a second BAM


              Mossad, the CIA and the Chinese will get to it faster.
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman 21 June 2013 14: 18 New
                +1
                okay ... I think the FSB where where, and in the territory of the Russian Federation will be much more vigilant. And if the GRU connects, then all these mossads with the Chinese CIA will smoke aside hi
                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman 21 June 2013 18: 02 New
                  0
                  so funny. there are certain personalities - I would say pests (cattle) that simply go through the site and certain people choose to stupidly stomp all comments on the minuses. I don’t understand one thing, why the system doesn’t work, which shows who and what puts you.
                  Of course not important, but still interesting!
                  and most importantly, in contrast to such creatures, I can’t say anything at all. aw ... animals, respond ...
                  I certainly do not want to offend you at all, I do not want to. Honestly, normal normal people do not behave like that!
              2. does it
                does it 21 June 2013 19: 27 New
                +1
                Quote: Truffoff
                Mossad, the CIA and the Chinese will get to it faster.

                If you haven’t already.
      2. dustycat
        dustycat 21 June 2013 13: 28 New
        -1
        Patents stolen there daughter clearly.
        So they will not sell it like Merkava.
        A tilka to myself.

        Well, apparently they are very afraid that they will look bad on the nameplates of "Made in order" on the tablets from which the glass cabin will be made.

        By the way, a good night driving device for UAZ turns out from Mystery's TV and a Chinese eye with IR illumination. And inexpensive.
    3. Airman
      Airman 21 June 2013 12: 16 New
      -1
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Well, if only because of secrecy. wink


      All this fits well with the statements in the Ministry of Defense on the postponement of arms supplies.
  3. Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 21 June 2013 11: 32 New
    +4
    I absolutely agree!
  4. Komodo
    Komodo 21 June 2013 11: 34 New
    +3
    That's good, BETTER AT ALL, ITS FIVE YEARS NOT TO SHOW AFTER MANUFACTURE.
    And then our traders will sell it in one fell swoop.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 11: 37 New
      11
      Quote: Komodo
      That's good, BETTER AT ALL, ITS FIVE YEARS NOT TO SHOW AFTER MANUFACTURE.

      First you need to make, but not finished.
      1. Komodo
        Komodo 21 June 2013 11: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        First you need to make, but not finished.

        Rogozin will finish.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 12: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: Komodo

          Rogozin will finish.

          And Rogozin, what became an engineer?
          1. Komodo
            Komodo 21 June 2013 12: 46 New
            -3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And Rogozin, what became an engineer?

            And what do we have no engineers?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 13: 01 New
              -2
              Quote: Komodo

              And what do we have no engineers?

              Yes, but they work for India.
        2. cdrt
          cdrt 21 June 2013 14: 32 New
          0
          Has he finished a lot so far?
          Something so far all that happens is the inheritance (contracts) of the still damned furniture maker.
          And from Rogozin, so far the most PR is coming of himself ...
          Indeed, there are facts where it is known that he really solved the problems?
          1. bddrus
            bddrus 23 June 2013 10: 51 New
            0
            he has such a job - work in language
    2. dustycat
      dustycat 21 June 2013 13: 29 New
      +1
      As if no one had seen that glass cabin on Chinese tablets.
  5. mark1
    mark1 21 June 2013 11: 38 New
    +6
    I remember that V.V. Putin last goal, expressed a desire to look at “Armata” at the next exhibition (ie 2013) - is it coming out and he was thrown? And what is surprising - they are not afraid!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 11: 44 New
      +7
      Quote: mark1
      I remember that V.V. Putin last goal, expressed a desire to look at “Armata” at the next exhibition (ie 2013) - is it coming out and he was thrown?

      No, they didn’t throw it, he just had a desire to look at her laughing
      1. evg5835
        evg5835 21 June 2013 17: 47 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        No, they didn’t throw it, he just had a desire to look at her

        I don’t understand how you became a marshal at all))) Not a site, but a kindergarten. Exactly you.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 18: 08 New
          -4
          Quote: evg5835
          I don’t understand how you became a marshal at all))

          So no understanding
          1. bask
            bask 21 June 2013 18: 15 New
            0
            Quote: evg5835
            I don’t understand how you became a marshal at all))) Not a site, but a kindergarten. Exactly you.

            Kindergarten is how we RIDE EARS AND WEAR THE NOODLES ON EARS, with this ,, Armata ,,.
            Don’t .. uya .. nothing has been done. So tell me honestly, it doesn’t work out yet, it’s not ready.
            There is no BLINN ... ,, SECRET ,,. They that think that everything is id !!!
            Hindus already housing ,, Almaty ,, 100-times showed !!!
            1. Armata
              Armata 21 June 2013 18: 22 New
              0
              Quote: bask
              Kindergarten is how we RIDE EARS AND WEAR THE NOODLES ON EARS, with this ,, Armata ,,.
              Don’t .. uya .. nothing has been done. So tell me honestly, it doesn’t work out yet, it’s not ready.
              There is no BLINN ... ,, SECRET ,,. They that think that everything is id !!!
              Hindus already housing ,, Almaty ,, 100-times showed !!!
              FRIENDLY HELLO. Don’t worry, here’s the dafiga of the insane.
              1. bask
                bask 21 June 2013 18: 46 New
                0
                Quote: Mechanic
                FRIENDLY HELLO. Don’t worry, here’s the dafiga of the insane.

                Hi Eugene hi
                It seems to be all adults, but they BELIEVE in FAIRY TALES.
                For 20 years already these lawless people in power have thrown people 100 times, and with vouchers, privatization and with MMM. Everyone still believes the authorities ... For me, it’s a mystery ... I don’t understand Russia with the mind !!!
                Not until our population is healthy, there’s nothing to change for the better to look at the world. SO AND WILL BE EDITED BY USING ZOMBOS .. DER ... BOX !!!
            2. evg5835
              evg5835 21 June 2013 18: 29 New
              +3
              It seems to me that only time will judge us. I expressed my opinion. I observe double standards on this site, but it's okay. Just take care of what remains of our industry - this is our EVERYTHING!
              1. bask
                bask 21 June 2013 19: 22 New
                +1
                Quote: evg5835
                Just take care of what remains of our industry - this is our EVERYTHING!

                but who is opposed to being re-equipped with modern armored vehicles in the RA ..
                Everything is only for !!! But now almost all military-industrial complex are in the hands of the merchants.
                For them, CHALLENGE No. 1 GETTING PROFIT !!
                And then the interests of the state. We forgot to live under the WILD oligarchic capitalism. Where the goal is profitable, at all costs.
                Only a change in power and course towards SOCILISM will correct the situation.
                Under shit, that’s how it will be-a lie. A lie is a lie. and corruption !!!
                1. Armata
                  Armata 21 June 2013 19: 49 New
                  0
                  Quote: bask
                  Everything is only for !!! But now almost all military-industrial complex are in the hands of the merchants.
                  Our friend is also in the hands of commerce. Today brought a new machine. The first time I saw a girl driving an 5 is the tonic of Isuzu. But she was surprised that in our dining room we had a comprehensive lunch 28 rub. the rest is paid by the authorities. Her words "Damn how it got in the USSR, a lot, tasty and for a penny"
                  1. bask
                    bask 21 June 2013 19: 56 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Mechanic
                    complex dinner for lunch 28 rub. pays the rest

                    Cool It’s exactly socialism. If you care so much for the workers. At our enterprises, the last working shift, lunch is 50 rubles ... another seven years ago were closed.
                    So you can still hope that the state approach will prevail in them, and not pure commerce. ((Although I personally do not believe in it)).
                    1. Armata
                      Armata 21 June 2013 20: 15 New
                      -2
                      Quote: bask
                      One can still hope that the state approach will prevail in them, and not pure commerce. ((although I personally do not believe in it)).
                      The fact of the matter is that we are private traders. Although we work for the state.
    2. evgenii67
      evgenii67 21 June 2013 11: 46 New
      14
      Quote: mark1
      comes out and threw him? And what is surprising - they are not afraid!

      most likely he already looked
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 12: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: evgenii67

        most likely he already looked

        Yes, it’s not started to look there, one platform and that is not brought to mind.
        1. Truffoff
          Truffoff 21 June 2013 12: 56 New
          -6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, it’s not started to look there, one platform and that is not brought to mind.

          How do you confirm? What a leak.
          Although so tell everyone, otherwise
          Chinese and Indian wallets are ready.
          They are waiting for the fence.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 13: 00 New
            +3
            Quote: Truffoff

            How do you confirm? What kind of leaks

            Did you register on site yesterday? There is such a Mechanic who makes this Armata, read his comments carefully and know more hi
            1. Truffoff
              Truffoff 21 June 2013 13: 07 New
              -6
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              There is such a Mechanic who makes this Armata, read his comments carefully and know more

              And what is the name of the surname, name, patronymic. And the site is not only working in Russia, what the hell is that? CIA analysts during the Cold War on the face of Brezhnev calculated the situation in the country! And here a whole mechanic works.
              Are you sure that he is not on the instructions of the FSB the brains soar to everyone here disinfect ???
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 13: 15 New
                +3
                Quote: Truffoff
                Are you sure that he is not on the instructions of the FSB the brains soar to everyone here disinfect ???

                AAAAA, I haven’t neighing like this for a long time wassat wassat wassat About times, about morals fool
                1. Truffoff
                  Truffoff 21 June 2013 13: 22 New
                  -7
                  Т
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  AAAAA, I haven’t neighing like this for a long time. About times, about morals.

                  Also an agent? am During the time of perestroika, Soros created a program to support the development of Soviet scientists. And he collected all the developments under the pretext of help. And where is this site registered? Whose funding is it?
                  Website goals?
                  1. experienced
                    experienced 21 June 2013 13: 23 New
                    10
                    Quote: Truffoff
                    Also an agent? During the time of perestroika, Soros created a program to support the development of Soviet scientists. And he collected all the developments under the pretext of help. And where is this site registered? Whose funding is it?
                    Website goals?

                    Well, that's all exposed laughing
                    Romanov is also an agent. All forum users receive a salary from Soros, the site is registered in ... (military secret), financing is left.
                    Truffoff counterintelligence and a hero worthy of making a film about him wassat
                    1. Truffoff
                      Truffoff 21 June 2013 13: 25 New
                      +3
                      What about the medal? laughing soldier
                      1. experienced
                        experienced 21 June 2013 13: 27 New
                        +6
                        Quote: Truffoff
                        What about the medal?

                        This is for the admin, we only have "+" and "-" laughing
                  2. cdrt
                    cdrt 21 June 2013 14: 35 New
                    -3
                    A pharmacy urgently wink
                  3. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 18: 07 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Truffoff
                    . And where is this site registered? Whose funding is it?
                    Website goals?

                    In my opinion, it’s you who work in the CIA laughing
                    1. Truffoff
                      Truffoff 21 June 2013 18: 21 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      In my opinion, it’s you who work in the CIA

                      How did you guess? repeat. You can’t imagine how much money we saved on your site. laughing.
                      But still no one reads and does not believe.
                      FSB AU !! love
                      I take this opportunity to say hello to Mossad! drinks hi laughing
              2. experienced
                experienced 21 June 2013 13: 18 New
                +5
                Quote: Truffoff
                And here a whole mechanic works.

                And even earlier, he was a steam engine wassat
                Quote: Truffoff
                Are you sure that he is not on the instructions of the FSB the brains soar to everyone here disinfect ???

                For a long time already disputes go to the CIA or Mossad works? laughing
                1. Truffoff
                  Truffoff 21 June 2013 13: 27 New
                  -2
                  Quote: seasoned
                  For a long time already disputes go to the CIA or Mossad works?

                  But seriously, THEY READ THE SAME. And the Chinese, too.
              3. cdrt
                cdrt 21 June 2013 14: 35 New
                -1
                Are you sure that he is not on the instructions of the FSB the brains soar to everyone here disinfect ???

                Most FSB workers around disappear when taking sedatives wink
              4. Armata
                Armata 21 June 2013 18: 11 New
                +2
                Quote: Truffoff
                And what is the name of the surname, name, patronymic. And the site is not only working in Russia, what the hell is that? CIA analysts during the Cold War on the face of Brezhnev calculated the situation in the country! And here a whole mechanic works.
                Are you sure that he is not on the instructions of the FSB the brains soar to everyone here disinfect ???
                AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA cool. What work is being done with Armata today? Damn the hour I arrived from Tagil. Well, I'm the FSB, but you're so competent everything. If literate, tell me how many platforms and where are they testing?
              5. Shkodnick
                Shkodnick 22 June 2013 00: 44 New
                0
                Smiled) laughed heartily)))
              6. Armata
                Armata 23 June 2013 10: 55 New
                +3
                Quote: Truffoff
                And what is the name of the surname name patronymic
                Want to know a lot.
                Quote: Truffoff
                .And the site is not only working in Russia, what the hell is that? CIA analysts during the Cold War on the face of Brezhnev calculated the situation in the country! And here a whole mechanic works.
                Yes, the whole. And while there are people like you, I have less and less desire to work. They will be allowed such meat again tomorrow, and you, like sheep with a yell of URA GDP, will run bare-heeled to the tank. Damn rams in Russia much more than in the whole Caucasus.
                1. Truffoff
                  Truffoff 23 June 2013 13: 44 New
                  -4
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  . And while there are people like you, I have less desire to work

                  So what's the problem? Quit And go tram repair)).
                  You, Whiner and Chatterbox. For how much are they ready to sell the hated homeland with rams? In euros, please.
                  1. experienced
                    experienced 23 June 2013 13: 50 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Truffoff
                    So what's the problem? Quit And go tram repair)).

                    I calmly reacted to your trash (not consciously on you), but this prankishness got tired ... Everything is good in moderation, when the irony begins to turn into rudeness it already goes beyond the normality. am
                    Quote: Truffoff
                    You, Whiner and Chatterbox. For how much are they ready to sell the hated homeland with rams? In euros, please.

                    Not like you, indicate what normal people need to do, go look for yourself a job in which your quality of “throwing poop” will come in handy fool
                    1. Truffoff
                      Truffoff 23 June 2013 16: 16 New
                      -4
                      Quote: seasoned
                      Not like you, indicate what normal people need to do

                      March to work, "normal people"))
                  2. Armata
                    Armata 23 June 2013 14: 21 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Truffoff
                    So what's the problem? Quit And go tram repair)).

                    yap you can’t even do this.

                    Quote: Truffoff
                    You, Whiner and Chatterbox.
                    And did you check it, or did you push it into a puddle, maybe at least someone will see the bubbles?
                    Quote: Truffoff
                    For how much are they ready to sell the hated homeland with rams? In euros, please.
                    I do not hate the homeland. Thank God for her already done a lot. I hate people like you. Havalnik is blocked up and sit still, maybe someone will teach you the mind later.
                    1. Truffoff
                      Truffoff 23 June 2013 15: 22 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Mechanic
                      yap you can’t even do this.

                      Look at the photo on a nickname, stigma drove me into such a hole, where you would have long been drowned in your own snot. And about the rams, mind you first started throwing them.
                    2. Truffoff
                      Truffoff 23 June 2013 20: 15 New
                      0
                      Quote: Mechanic
                      I don’t hate Homeland ... Can the Yankees sell a secret for nts lemons in pots? They will also threaten with their finger the dump to them, for a comfortable existence. Only here, conscience will have to be rotted for the sake of the family, so as not to live on a penny. So what to do? Living from paycheck to paycheck is tired. I want to live so that 100% of the Yankees spit from above while he is cleaning my pool.

                      So what do we agree on in price? T.84956457734.
                      [email protected] Although, of course, I can find you myself.
            2. Ustian
              Ustian 21 June 2013 13: 52 New
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              There is such a Mechanic who makes this Armata, read his comments carefully and know more

              I hope for the comments he was not transferred to the "sharashka"! (Since -
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              What do you think, can secret development be made public? ”Sienko snapped.)

              request
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 21 June 2013 14: 33 New
        0
        most likely he already looked

        and after that they decided not to show, because secretly wink wink wink
    3. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 21 June 2013 11: 48 New
      10
      Quote: mark1
      I remember that V.V. Putin last goal, expressed a desire to look at “Armata” at the next exhibition (ie 2013) - is it coming out and he was thrown? And what is surprising - they are not afraid!

      GDP, whatever he wants - he will see, and the exhibition has nothing to do with it ....
      1. fedorovith
        fedorovith 21 June 2013 11: 55 New
        14
        I saw and said: "Do not show anyone!" and that’s it.
  6. White
    White 21 June 2013 11: 42 New
    -4
    From Poghosyan bad guys do not work for their homeland, but for their uncle.
    Campaign just has nothing to show live.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 11: 43 New
      +5
      Quote: White
      From Poghosyan bad guys do not work for their homeland, but for their uncle.

      You Pogosyan here which side inserted?
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 21 June 2013 11: 50 New
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        You Pogosyan here which side inserted?

        And they insert it everywhere.
        Alexander, hi
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 12: 18 New
          +3
          Quote: Vladimirets

          And they insert it everywhere.

          Well, not in tanks laughing
          Hi Vladimir hi
      2. White
        White 21 June 2013 12: 05 New
        +4
        Yes, just the T-50 is everywhere shown and hid. wink It was a joke what are you so?
      3. viktorR
        viktorR 21 June 2013 17: 09 New
        0
        Pogasyan already and Nizhny Tagil with the Uralvagonzavod chopped off into the corporation)))?
  7. DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 21 June 2013 11: 51 New
    +3
    Probably had to make serious changes to the design. Anyway, it's not fair ..!
  8. domokl
    domokl 21 June 2013 11: 53 New
    +1
    And why, in fact, is not the best advertisement? Why show a raw product? So, really Armada began to give out some parameters, most likely, higher than the ones laid down ... And there was a fine-tuning in directions ...
    1. rolik
      rolik 21 June 2013 12: 19 New
      11
      Quote: domokl
      So, Armada really began to produce some parameters, or rather, above the ones laid down ... And there was a fine-tuning in the directions ...

      PAK FA also gives indicators above the inherent parameters, but it is brought to the serial in front of everyone. At the same time, without revealing all of its performance characteristics. And how does Armata differ ???? They showed, put on display and bring yourself calmly to serial samples. What is stopping ???
      1. Bum
        Bum 21 June 2013 13: 18 New
        0
        PAK FA is a joint project, and Armata is a purely Russian development.
        1. rolik
          rolik 21 June 2013 17: 02 New
          0
          Quote: Bum
          PAK FA joint project,

          Sorry, with whom joint ????
          Maybe you wanted to say, FGFA, a joint project with the Indians?
      2. evil hamster
        evil hamster 21 June 2013 20: 14 New
        0
        Well, how would it be pointless to hide the plane when it takes off in front of the big city. But it is quite possible to hide a certain object from unnecessary eyes. After all, if it were not for the young paraparagraphs who served in Kubinka, then we would have a horseradish photo about. 195. In addition, Sienko said that they would not show it in the spring on the radio (there is some kind of normal program about the military-industrial complex on the echo of matsi IMHO, all of a sudden) and justified this by saying that everything depends on the customer, wants to show, does not want to, no. So, why did everyone get so bored? Everyday business, there is an opinion that “Schwabe” is to blame for everything, but this is understandable by a pitchfork on water.
        1. bask
          bask 21 June 2013 20: 18 New
          0
          Quote: evil hamster
          to tear the plane when it takes off in front of the big city. But it is quite possible to hide a certain object from unnecessary eyes.

          Hamster ,, Armata ,, ALREADY NOT JUST A TANK.
          This tank is a MYTH !!! LEGEND !!!
          1. evil hamster
            evil hamster 21 June 2013 21: 05 New
            +2
            Welcome
            Quote: bask
            This tank is a MYTH !!! LEGEND !!!

            Why's that? about about. 195 10 years of fussing, 10 years of trolling, saying that this is all a blink, and then suddenly his photo appeared. PAKFA promised promised, postponed the deadline a bunch of times, a lot of trolotas were expelled on this subject, and then all of a sudden ...
            So I don’t see any reason to consider “Armata” as a myth that before showing, there can be a lot of reasons, and by the way I would not rule out “secrecy”, it’s one thing that we think about it, and the other state people think about it. organs. And who said that their guidance documents are fully adequate to current realities? By the way, they have noticeably led all kinds of “insiders” (at least in terms of aviation) over the past couple of years. So that I do not exclude insanity on the part of the FSB or the State Academic Bolshoi Theater or whoever there really decides to shine does not shine.
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 21 June 2013 14: 39 New
      0
      So, Armada really began to give out some parameters, most likely, higher than those laid down ...

      Hmm ... if you hear the sound of hooves, it is more logical to assume that these are horses, not unicorns ...

      So, it’s more logical to assume that there is nothing to show, so as not to be dishonored repeat
  9. Wedmak
    Wedmak 21 June 2013 11: 56 New
    +5
    They do not want to demonstrate the platform without equipment so that cunning offices do not lick ideas. smile But in general they’re doing the right thing, like MiGs, when he was shown to the world, he was already flying in the troops. And here, in fact, a new generation of armored vehicles.
    1. No_more
      No_more 21 June 2013 13: 00 New
      +5
      The tank is not a dictation - it is just that he saw and licked. Even copying with a serial tank in hand is still a task.
      Accept already that there is nothing to show.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 21 June 2013 13: 29 New
        -1
        The tank is not a dictation - it is just that he saw and licked. Even copying with a serial tank in hand is still a task.

        It’s you who do not know the Chinese well ... Yes, and with modern photo and video equipment, licking the shape of an object and identifying equipment details does not seem difficult. Until the repetition of all the convolutions of the body.
        There was information on Armata that the corps was being tested, but there was no information on equipment, guns, ammunition, or the engine. Therefore - most likely the case is ready or almost ready, but everything else is not ready. Anyway for the show. And remembering that this is the latest development, the refusal to show, is completely explainable.
        This is not an air defense system (the same “Vityaz”), where you can’t say anything about the characteristics - well, a rocket and a rocket are sitting in a launch container of such and such a diameter ... there are so many pieces on such and such a chassis. Everything...
        1. family
          family tree 21 June 2013 21: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: Wedmak
          It’s you who do not know the Chinese well ... Yes, and with modern photo and video equipment, licking the shape of an object and identifying equipment details does not seem difficult.

          And then grind with a file? Manufacturing technology, the composition of the armor, etc., also lick video equipment?
  10. LOCKS
    LOCKS 21 June 2013 12: 00 New
    0
    Many experts felt that such a sharp answer to a simple and obvious question indicates, first of all, that tank builders are apparently not ready to present their work to the general public.


    You can think anything, but one thing is good news that we stopped working for the public. And then on show, we’ll praise, and as a result, the technician gets into the troops after years. Or, in general, we start working for partners motivating that we do not have funds for the purchase. As a result, partners get everything new earlier than their own army.
  11. pensioner
    pensioner 21 June 2013 12: 02 New
    +2
    The title of the article is somewhat defeatist. See !! People work. In full.
    1. rolik
      rolik 21 June 2013 12: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: retired
      People work. In full.

      Let them work and do the right thing, rather than boasting and do not promise to introduce a new tank to the public every year. They promise and carry over to the next year. It’s better to chat less and do more than vice versa.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 21 June 2013 12: 31 New
        +2
        Duc boast and promise it is not they !!
        1. rolik
          rolik 21 June 2013 17: 16 New
          0
          Quote: retired
          Duc boast and promise it is not they !!

          Duc, yo-mine, here it is nonsense from the CEO.
          13.03.2013
          The tank on the basis of the Armata combat platform currently being developed will receive a fundamentally new layout that does not have world analogues, in particular, an uninhabited “tower,” said Oleg Sienko, Director General of the Uralvagonzavod Scientific and Production Corporation (NPO), “This is fundamentally a new machine with a new layout that no one has, ”he said on the air of Ekho Moskvy radio station, adding that the new tank based on the Almaty will have, in particular, an uninhabited fighting compartment.
          Sienko noted that on this universal platform it will be possible to create about 30 vehicles for various purposes, it involves different engine placement - both front and rear, depending on what type of combat vehicle will be “mounted” on this platform - BMP or for example, air defense systems. For the main battle tank (MBT), which will be produced at its base, a new ammunition and a new generation dynamic defense complex are being developed. “Armata” will use “completely different technologies for armor, all that will increase the survivability of the machine in real combat conditions,” Sienko said.
          The NGO Director General emphasized that the engine is also of great importance for the new MBT. “Only a new engine is needed here: a fundamentally different, easily interchangeable one,” he specified. “An engine that can be changed in minutes, which is extremely important in certain conditions.” “Of course, power also plays a role,” said the head of the corporation, explaining that now the tanks have reached the speed indicators that correspond to wheeled vehicles. “Almaty”, in particular, will have “completely different speed indicators, which makes this machine the pride of Russian tank building, although this can no longer be called a tank in its purest form,” the general director added.
          Sienko expressed the hope that by the end of this year the corporation will be able to complete the basic work on Armata, and only individual nodes will be further developed. He informed that “Armata” will not be shown at the international exhibition in Nizhny Tagil in September, not least because it is still a secret development.
          The platform is being developed at an accelerated pace, he seeks to fulfill the parameters that Uralvagonzavod set in the Ministry of Defense, Sienko added. The head of the corporation emphasized, “that nothing is being done on universal platforms in the world, all platforms are different,” and Russia is the only country that today is going to mass-produce new armored vehicles, other countries are on the path of modernization.
          In the case of MBT based on the Armata platform, Uralvagonzavod hopes to produce tank dreams for some time, Sienko joked.
          Here is such a joker, ate fires.

          But , I emphasize, the probable reason for not showing the new MBT.
          We planned to show the tank based on the Armat already in operation, but by September it will not be ready. There are serious problems with the fire control system. Russian suppliers of optics can not cope. Now we are considering the option of switching this contract to the Belarusian company Peleng, they made a fire control system for the T-90S tank, which we are now actively exhibiting, and they have proposals for Armata. This was said by an unnamed representative in the Moscow Region. But is it true or not, for everyone to decide for themselves differently. And what is this secrecy ???? We brought in a second party to solve the problem.
  12. ed65b
    ed65b 21 June 2013 12: 03 New
    0
    Quote: domokl
    And why, in fact, is not the best advertisement? Why show a raw product? So, really Armada began to give out some parameters, most likely, higher than the ones laid down ... And there was a fine-tuning in directions ...

    I agree with you completely. no need to exhibit at the exhibition a la VAZ concept plywood-plasticine. They will bring to mind that they can change for the better the gun, for example, mm so on 155. then you can mount the "trump card" equipment and you can sparkle with a diamond.
    And the fact that do not show obkayut and obs .. .. In the meantime, let the partners thoughtfully nervously smoke aside.
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      1. ed65b
        ed65b 21 June 2013 12: 21 New
        +2
        Let the professor while reading, preparing soon will be something to gossip about)))))
    2. cartridge
      cartridge 21 June 2013 12: 29 New
      +7
      And the fact that do not show obkayut and obs .. .. In the meantime, let the partners thoughtfully nervously smoke aside.


      I agree with your point of view.
      Correctly doing UVZ. Nefig shine the latest developments before anyone.
      Here the car goes into the series, then the adversaries will see enough of it to trembling knees. wink

      This also applies to kitchen tankers discussing this news.
      You gentlemen creakles, what difference will show “Armata” or not? One hell you do not think in tanks!
      For those dissatisfied on this thread, the main thing is to have the next bla bla bla blown out with pursed lips and be sure to, albeit virtually, but cheat on a good deal!
      1. Armata
        Armata 21 June 2013 20: 27 New
        -3
        Quote: cartridge
        I agree with your point of view.
        Correctly doing UVZ. Nefig shine the latest developments before anyone.
        Here the car goes into the series, then the adversaries will see enough of it to trembling knees.

        This also applies to kitchen tankers discussing this news.
        You gentlemen creakles, what difference will show “Armata” or not? One hell you do not think in tanks!
        For those dissatisfied on this thread, the main thing is to have the next bla bla bla blown out with pursed lips and be sure to, albeit virtually, but cheat on a good deal!
        About the series. T90 has long been done, but not for our army. The 90 Yankees called "The Killer With Sad Eyes" Because of the installations of "Blind". This tank was appreciated all over the world (this tank as SU35 for aviation), he changed all the principles of tank battle. And you are waiting for a miracle (Almaty). Better do a lot of good than wait for the prospect (although it’s profitable for me, I’m working for Amata).
        1. cartridge
          cartridge 22 June 2013 06: 56 New
          +5
          This tank ... changed all the principles of tank battle.
          fool

          Yes, dear, do you see office plankton working? For you carry nonsense, not even realizing the meaning of the words you used. fool
          For a total of 5 years, I commanded a motorized rifle, and then a tank battalion.
          Open my eyes, what principles of tank battle did the T-90 change? Only specifically, on points and without kreaklovskoy water and verbiage! soldier
        2. cartridge
          cartridge 22 June 2013 07: 25 New
          +3
          T90 has long been done, but not for our army.


          You write nonsense again! negative
          Your words do not correspond to reality! Almost the entire South-West Military District is already on the new T-90s, tank battalions of brigades of air defense brigades, etc., are being actively re-equipped.
          You are not in the subject, young man! negative
          Keep lying on the couch and keep your fantasies to yourself! stop
          1. Armata
            Armata 22 June 2013 11: 07 New
            -4
            Quote: cartridge
            Your words do not correspond to reality! Almost all of the South-East Military District is already on the new T-90, tank battalions of brigades of air defense brigades, etc. are being actively re-equipped.
            ZVO brigades, etc., how many and in what configuration were delivered? What configuration do we supply for the same indices ?. Moderate ardor coadir cartridge. I am parting with this plant for a long time, and I know what they deliver to whom and in what quantity. Or have you ever been in UVZ workshops?
            1. cartridge
              cartridge 22 June 2013 11: 51 New
              +1
              I am parting with this plant for a long time, and I know what they deliver to whom and in what quantity. Or have you ever been in UVZ workshops?


              That is, the presence of new T-90A in the Buinaksk brigade or in the satellite I imagined? And in Gudauta, too, completely mirages? And Kantemirovka probably sent their cars to Marten in the last six months, and she sat down like an old T-34? And they disappeared in Alabino?
              And in KOR, where did they divide, al burned? I will not list further.
              Your office is bad for plankton. You smell bad from you!
              Address to the familiar nurse, let him give you plenty of bromine and alcohol wipes! laughing
          2. bask
            bask 22 June 2013 11: 16 New
            -3
            Quote: cartridge
            You write nonsense again!
            Your words do not correspond to reality! Almost the entire South-West Military District is already on the new T-90s, tank battalions of brigades of air defense brigades, etc., are being actively re-equipped.

            Mr. Patron has an excellent personal record.
            And he everywhere, swam, like, a piece of de ... ma and obscenities he is not expressed. Although he says he fought.
            a cartridge in computer warfare is not a real war !!! ,, warrior ......
            When writing your olpus with a margin of BTR-80, 2-wheels, and the armor of 10mm remained intact without a break ???
            Quote: Mechanic
            . Or have you ever been in UVZ workshops?

            Greetings Eugene hi The cartridge is still another member of the squad team. A control with an unstable psyche ... ((who sculpts emoticons left and right, he is not mentally healthy.))) As a doctor I tell you YOU cartridge
            1. Armata
              Armata 22 June 2013 11: 22 New
              -3
              Quote: bask
              Greetings Eugene

              Hello my friend. I’m sitting at work now. I am writing TK for a new stand. so life did not fall short in the morning.
              1. bask
                bask 22 June 2013 11: 46 New
                -5
                Quote: Mechanic
                Hello my friend. I’m sitting at work now. I am writing TK for a new stand. so life did not fall short in the morning.

                You will not envy the day off.
                No pathos: your work is too important for the security of Russia. A modern tank platform is simply necessary.
              2. cartridge
                cartridge 22 June 2013 12: 00 New
                +1
                I succumbed to your chatter and allowed me to take myself away from the topic. This will not happen again.

                Quote: Mechanic
                This tank was appreciated all over the world (this tank as the SU35 for aviators), it changed all the principles of tank battle



                Therefore, I repeat my question: What principles of tank battle did the T-90 change?

                Open your own statement, if you can.

                If there is anything to say specifically, I’m listening.
                If not, say no and do not waste your and my time.
                1. Armata
                  Armata 22 June 2013 13: 58 New
                  -3
                  Quote: cartridge
                  Therefore, I repeat my question: what principles of tank battle did the T-90 change?

                  Open your own statement, if you can.

                  If there is anything to say specifically, I’m listening.
                  If not, say no and do not waste your and my time.
                  I would sit silent for a moment. Or read the statements of foreign experts (count even they have specialists), but sitting on the acne and squeezing acne and spraying pus into the Internet is not good. Very not good. Accusing me of lying without even knowing who is also extremely shameful. Understand when 1 yells that all the fools and liars are around in all topics, maybe you should think that he is alone, and there are always more smart people. So specifically for the cartridge, think about it.
                  1. bask
                    bask 22 June 2013 14: 12 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Mechanic
                    I would sit silent for a while. Or read the statements of foreign experts

                    Eugene, yes crap with him. I understand the T-90 is an excellent tank.
                    But the heavy platform, under the BTR-T / BMT-T, assault gun feces 152 mm, is still needed.
                    No wonder the Israelis developed and released their BTR-T ,, Nameer.
                    We had object 80 in the 299s. Why didn’t it go into the series like a heavy platform?
                2. Armata
                  Armata 22 June 2013 14: 03 New
                  -3
                  Quote: cartridge
                  What principles of tank battle did the T-90 change?
                  I answer for the gifted. T90MS and Armata are made taking into account the use of BMPT for support. Do we have a lot of BMPT "Terminator" or is it already Mount "Kurgan" with BMPT equipment? Do we have a lot of T90M? It may be in your sick imagination already their whole army and you, like an awesome commander, throw them into battle in the thousands.
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              1. bask
                bask 22 June 2013 11: 43 New
                -4
                Quote: cartridge
                So you are also a doctor? Well, hour by hour it’s not easier ... I suppose it’s also a psychiatrist

                There is no victim of EG, a surgeon, if I ask you to do circumcision, too. For the most I ... a ..
                My advice: Do not get involved in computer shooters, this is detrimental to the psyche.
                verbiage, such as blah, blah, blah do not surprise me. A lot of you, cranks on the site have been. Not you first, not you last. Only where are they ???
                the cartridge turned out to be IDLE ... love this is for you ,, nasty ,,,
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    3. pensioner
      pensioner 21 June 2013 12: 33 New
      +1
      True thought! The threat is stronger than its execution !!
  13. Mizhgan
    Mizhgan 21 June 2013 12: 05 New
    +3
    I am glad that the privacy regime is returning. Not trade in technology ...
  14. B_KypTke
    B_KypTke 21 June 2013 12: 12 New
    +2
    Intrigue however. But sooner or later we’ll see what they pile up.
    I suppose that the Syrian experience makes its own adjustments to the design and final appearance of the machine.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 12: 20 New
      10
      Quote: B_KypTke
      Intrigue however.

      Here comes the mechanic Zhenya and reads all this belay What an intrigue, whoever does not see her, every day I see her, if she is not alright this armata laughing
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 21 June 2013 12: 44 New
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Here comes the mechanic Zhenya and reads all this


        Apparently he feels guilty for himself and therefore has not come so far. lol
        1. Chicot 1
          Chicot 1 21 June 2013 13: 06 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Here comes the Mechanic Zhenya

          Maybe he will give any explanation about this unexpected "overstaff" ...
          Quote: Apollon
          Apparently he feels guilty for himself and therefore has not come so far.

          It is unlikely that he made this decision ... wink

          And there we’ll wait and see ... Or “Armata” in all its glory, or a repetition of “Iron Caput”. However, there is no third here ...
        2. Sinbad
          Sinbad 21 June 2013 13: 27 New
          +3
          Or maybe because he didn’t come, because he once works, he does Armatu.
  15. redwar6
    redwar6 21 June 2013 12: 17 New
    +1
    The time will come, they will show. They said no, it means there are reasons, I think. But for me it’s not worth showing it in bulk. That's all. But this is only in my opinion.
  16. Russ69
    Russ69 21 June 2013 12: 17 New
    +4
    And what kind of panic? Well, they did not meet the deadlines and what next? The production of something new is often delayed, and not only with us. Still, “Armata” is a completely new thing, with an uninhabited combat module, which the world does not yet have (meaning tank). Showing an empty platform to the public is not the same thing. A delay of one year for a new product is not a disaster, but rather a working moment, albeit not a pleasant one.
    It seems like the "Kurgan" want to show is already good ...
    1. rolik
      rolik 21 June 2013 12: 36 New
      +7
      Quote: Russ69
      . Still, the Armata is a completely new thing, with an uninhabited combat module, which the world does not have yet (meaning tank)

      The Jordanians made a tank with an uninhabited tower and showed it to the public. Look at this miraculous judo. I hope Armata will be much more elegant and more integral of this product.
      1. Slevinst
        Slevinst 21 June 2013 15: 59 New
        0
        strange tower shape on the side without tilt
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 21 June 2013 14: 44 New
      +2
      Annoying is not a postponement - which is normal in general for a new machine.

      It is annoying a lie - what kind of nonsense about secrecy, when they were jabbing with their tongues, they did not know that everyone would see at the exhibition.
      Deadlines have passed - be honest, say so.
      1. Armata
        Armata 21 June 2013 19: 57 New
        -2
        Quote: cdrt
        Annoying is not a postponement - which is normal in general for a new machine.

        It is annoying a lie - what kind of nonsense about secrecy, when they were jabbing with their tongues, they did not know that everyone would see at the exhibition.
        Deadlines have passed - be honest, say so.
        There is only 1 platform. What to show if the plant is sharpened for the program for Hindus? and more interesting. Once UVZ made 200 tanks per month, now it’s maximum 15-20. Did you cut everything cool?
        1. bask
          bask 21 June 2013 20: 01 New
          -3
          Quote: Mechanic
          200 tanks, and now a maximum of 15-20. Did you cut everything cool?

          And what Omsk plant, do not connect?
          Or it is already empty ((without equipment)), for the production of armored vehicles.
          1. Armata
            Armata 21 June 2013 20: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: bask
            And what Omsk plant, do not connect?
            Or it is already empty ((without equipment)), for the production of armored vehicles.
            Omsk is covered, there are no modern stands. They can only redo 72 ki under slingshots. Kholmansky the other day received an indicative rake from GDP; now he will work on petroleum jelly.
            1. flanker7
              flanker7 21 June 2013 22: 45 New
              +1
              And once they made the best T-80 tank ....
  17. Evgeniy46
    Evgeniy46 21 June 2013 12: 25 New
    +7
    in principle, it’s right that they don’t show it. Yes, and early to show. It will look much nicer at the exhibition serial "Armata"
  18. Sewer
    Sewer 21 June 2013 12: 37 New
    +2
    That's right they won’t show! Then suddenly a division appears somewhere and the Yankees have a heart attack right away, unless of course they have time to understand what really happened!
  19. vitas
    vitas 21 June 2013 12: 41 New
    0
    It won’t be greasy, they wanted to see a new generation tank at the inset.
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 21 June 2013 13: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: vitas
      new generation tank they

      The Armata itself is not a tank, it is a heavy tracked chassis. On the basis of which it is planned to create MBT, as well as a number of tracked combat vehicles ...
      1. Armata
        Armata 21 June 2013 19: 59 New
        -3
        Quote: Chicot 1
        Ama by itself, the Armata is not a tank, it is a heavy tracked chassis. On the basis of which it is planned to create MBT, as well as a number of tracked combat vehicles ...
        here at least someone was able to explain that “Armata” is a platform.
    2. lilit.193
      lilit.193 21 June 2013 13: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: vitas
      It won't be greasy

      But it won’t be! wink
  20. Praetorian
    Praetorian 21 June 2013 12: 46 New
    +5
    Maybe there's really nothing to show. And on the account of the fact that we do not show secret developments - nonsense. We not only show them, but also sell all the latest. And here, apparently, there is nothing to boast about.
  21. Slevinst
    Slevinst 21 June 2013 12: 54 New
    0
    read the headline and crap one's pants thought they stopped the project
  22. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 21 June 2013 12: 59 New
    +3
    Alas, this reminds me very well of a situation situation, which at one time took shape around the notorious and infamous "Object 195", which everyone knows as the "newest T-95 tank" ... I really do not want to be a complete pessimist, but is this story repeated again, but this time with "Armata"? ..
    1. Kars
      Kars 21 June 2013 13: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: Chicot 1
      , which at one time took shape around the notorious and infamous "object 195"

      And as I was waiting for the production of the serial Black Eagle in 2004, 200 units in the army.
    2. Orchestrarant
      Orchestrarant 21 June 2013 15: 07 New
      0
      This is a computer toy, casting the FSB, the KGB, the NKVD, it looks like a modernization of the T-72) Hungarian), if I'm not mistaken. In general, military secret - should be a secret! laughing
  23. piotr534
    piotr534 21 June 2013 13: 13 New
    +3
    Many experts felt that such a sharp answer to a simple and obvious question indicates, first of all, that tank builders are apparently not ready to present their work to the general public.
    This suggests that some journalists, in the absence of information, tend to put forward versions from scratch. request
  24. Cynic
    Cynic 21 June 2013 13: 13 New
    +2
    Yes, how much can _ Empty in empty!
  25. ded
    ded 21 June 2013 13: 22 New
    0
    The news is somewhat reminiscent of an old joke about the elusive Джо:

    Why is he (Joe) not perceptible?
    Yes, because no one needs you!

    So it will be with the tank "Armata"

    He is so good! that we will never see him!
  26. pensioner
    pensioner 21 June 2013 13: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: rolik
    Look at this wonder-yudo


    Some kind of bullosaurus ... Although what to expect from the Jordanians ...
  27. Slobozhanin
    Slobozhanin 21 June 2013 15: 13 New
    +1
    Although I am an “infantryman,” I am following the tank news in Ukraine and Russia with great pleasure. It's a shame that so far we will not see anything other than verbal advertising. Let’s hope that this is secrecy, and not the next racket of money for the Russian budget (although why should I wait for it :) but still ...)
  28. koosss
    koosss 21 June 2013 15: 30 New
    +1
    That's right, I'm generally for secrecy only FOR. And the T-50 would not have been better shown. But then surprise so surprise! So that we all relish, and others envy, the effect is much better than when every step is advertised ..
  29. darksoul
    darksoul 21 June 2013 16: 23 New
    +2
    Let them refine it, bring it to mind, that's how the T-50 is doing it, and as a result, on their first test flights they themselves looked ... they did it because the plane exceeded its stated characteristics. We need powerful high-quality equipment ... good luck to designers
  30. Tao
    Tao 21 June 2013 16: 26 New
    0
    MMM, frankly, show the newest tank, which, better than ALL analogues in the world, is an unhealthy idiocy. There will be at least 100 of these tanks in the troops, they will be tested, improved, and then it’s worth showing.
  31. common man
    common man 21 June 2013 17: 45 New
    0
    Firstly. The reference to secrecy does not hold water. Impressions at the exhibition are divided into open (last two days of the exhibition) and closed (for interested parties). Two years ago, the T-90MS was also not at an open air show. They showed only Putin with Serdyuk, and accredited guests. So, most likely the product is stupidly not ready. What pointed out and comments Mechanic.
    The second one. Just a personal observation.
    Quote: lelikas
    I’m wondering - is there a tank hull that travels around the landfill, there are satellites that are likely to follow it, t, e, again, it turns out that everyone saw it except us? (Or is the landfill covered?)

    Four years ago I was also at an exhibition in Tagil. (I have to wave 500 versts for this) The day was sunny and hot. Just before the show of equipment, a hawk flew over the landfill, I didn’t see the brand, I won’t lie. Then, as it should be, runs of equipment, firing, air shows, etc. And then he noticed that the weather had catastrophically deteriorated. Overcast, clouds, humidity. Well, I think only rain was not enough. The show passed, we walk, look further. Twenty minutes passed, where did what go? Not a cloud in the sky, the sun is frying. And then I thought what it was. A simple set of circumstances or an "artificial" phenomenon. If there are specialists on this topic, develop doubts. Thanks in advance.
  32. Genady1976
    Genady1976 21 June 2013 18: 55 New
    -2
    What a secret there is and all the same name and pictures
  33. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 21 June 2013 19: 22 New
    -2
    But the left side of the tank is a secret dozen.
    1. Armata
      Armata 21 June 2013 20: 01 New
      -2
      Maybe right?
  34. jeka424
    jeka424 21 June 2013 20: 51 New
    +2
    Who knows what kind of tank
    1. evil hamster
      evil hamster 21 June 2013 21: 08 New
      +3
      T90S / SA (how it will wail there for Azerbaijan request ) without ZIP boxes
  35. Genady1976
    Genady1976 21 June 2013 21: 42 New
    0
    Quote: jeka424
    Who knows what kind of tank

    T-72 tank with a new turret
    1. evil hamster
      evil hamster 22 June 2013 22: 50 New
      0
      This is also the T90 most likely SA
  36. Genady1976
    Genady1976 21 June 2013 21: 51 New
    0
    That ent for the tank what
    1. Kars
      Kars 21 June 2013 22: 49 New
      +4
      indian arjun
      1. Genady1976
        Genady1976 21 June 2013 23: 20 New
        +1
        Kars is not fair you knew you knew
        I just noticed that he has 7 road wheels sad
        1. Kars
          Kars 21 June 2013 23: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: Genady1976
          honestly did you know did you know

          How could I answer if I didn’t know?
          Quote: Genady1976
          I just noticed that he has 7 road wheels

          Armata is also rumored to have 7 rinks. Maybe this also means an increase in mass to 60 tons.

          As a bonus, I’ll offer to see a photo report from the Kiev BT plant.
          http://kotobood.livejournal.com/1112393.html
          1. Genady1976
            Genady1976 22 June 2013 00: 18 New
            +1
            Here, thank you very much for the tour took a look good sorry to touch not allowed
          2. svp67
            svp67 23 June 2013 14: 29 New
            0
            Quote: Kars
            As a bonus, I’ll offer to see a photo report from the Kiev BT plant.
            http://kotobood.livejournal.com/1112393.html


            Thank you, but this BONUS is for you
            http://smotrelkin.livejournal.com/229095.html
            1. Kars
              Kars 23 June 2013 14: 57 New
              +2
              Quote: svp67
              Thank you, but this BONUS is for you

              Old dupe, better tell us how tank refineries are doing in the Far East? How much is left?

              http://vk.com/album-6920750_129723127
      2. Kars
        Kars 23 June 2013 14: 51 New
        +3
        Looking at the minus, someone believes that I'm wrong? And this is not arjun))
  37. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 21 June 2013 23: 51 New
    0
    Yes, telling tales - not tossing bags ... the fire control system is not ready for them, but what for the tank model at least some systems, this is not a field test with firing ... in short, "homeworkers" do not even know how to get away!
    "What do you think, can secret development be made public?" - it is possible and necessary to show where people spent, besides the new "dachas and cars", ...
  38. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson 22 June 2013 02: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: lelikas
    In the end, we work for the homeland, not for the uncle, ”Sienko snapped.

    Homeland is anyone at all, embarrassed to ask? Comrade Sienko often needs a tongue dipped in pepper, for it makes some kind of nonsense. We, the taxpayers, want to see the result of the investment. And then, like the devil, the future hero of Russia jumps out of the snuffbox and tries to make a good face with a bad game. Where is the result, or arrange a landing .. If, on a simple basis, this is called "what HUYA"
  39. ed65b
    ed65b 22 June 2013 17: 21 New
    +4
    I'm reading komenty. complete nonsense about Oberalovo. Are you fucking ... smiling all ?????? How crazy they went to speak normally forgot how. Call each other ... I am in shock. really the site becomes a garbage can.
  40. svp67
    svp67 22 June 2013 17: 26 New
    +2
    The fact that they will not show “ARMATU” this year, and that it will be shown in 2014 was announced at the end of last year, but for some reason they didn’t perceive this news, for now they’re raising a wave ...