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Indigenous Horse Division

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Indigenous Horse Division90 years ago, in the Russian army, a truly unique military unit was formed: Caucasian native horse division, better known as the “Wild Division.” It was formed from Muslim volunteers, natives of the Caucasus and Transcaucasia, who, according to the Russian legislation of that time, were not subject to military conscription. 26 July1914, when the fire of World War I flared up in Europe, the adjutant general, commander-in-chief of the troops of the Caucasian military district, Count Illarion Vorontsov-Dashkov addressed through the minister of war to the tsar with a proposal to use the "belligerent Caucasian peoples" to form them military units. The emperor did not take long to wait and the very next day, July 27, followed the highest permission to form the following military units of the natives of the Caucasus during the hostilities: the Chechen cavalry regiment of Chechens and Ingushes, the Circassian - of Adygei and Abkhazians, Kabardinian - of Kabardians and Balkarians, Tatarsky (Azerbaijanian) - from Azerbaijanis (the formation point of the city of Elizavetpol (Ganja), Ingush - from the Ingush, 2-th Dagestan - from the Dagestanis and the Adjara foot battalion. According to approved states, each horse The regiment consisted of 22 officers, 3 military officers, 1 regimental mullahs, 575 frontline lower ranks (riders) and 68 non-combatant lower ranks. The regiments of the division were grouped into three brigades. 1 Brigade: Kabardinsky and 2 were united in three brigades. Brigade Commander Major General Prince Dmitry Bagration 2 Brigade: Chechen and Tatar Regiments - Commander Colonel Konstantin Hagandokov and 3 Brigade: Ingush and Circassian Regiments - Commander Major General Prince Nikolai Vadbolsky. The commander of the Caucasian native horse division was appointed the Tsar's younger brother, the retinue of His Majesty, Major General Grand Prince Mikhail Alexandrovich. Colonel Yakov Davidovich Yuzefovich, a Lithuanian Tatar of the Mohammedan religion, who served in the Headquarters of the Supreme Commander, was appointed the chief of staff of the division.


For obvious reasons, we will pay more attention in this article to the Tatarsky, as Azerbaijanis were then called in Russia, or the Azerbaijani cavalry regiment. The commander of the regiment was appointed General Staff Lieutenant Colonel Peter Polovtsev. Assistant commanders of the regiment were appointed a native of Baku, lieutenant colonel Vsevolod Staroselsky and captain Shahverdi Khan Abulfat Khan Ziyatkhanov. The colonel of the 16 th Dragoon Tver Regiment, Prince Feyzulla Mirza Qajar, was also attached to the Tatar regiment. At the beginning of August1914, it was announced that volunteers would be registered in the formed regiments. On August 5, the Chief of Staff of the Caucasian Military District, Lieutenant General N. Yudenich, notified Elizavetpolsky Governor G.S. Kovalev on the highest approval of the formation of the native parts. According to the Yelizavetpol governor, by the 27 of August, "Muslim volunteers enrolled in the Tatar regiment over two thousand." Due to the fact that only 400 people were required, including one hundred of Azerbaijanis, residents of Borchaly district of Tiflis province, further recording was stopped. The Governor also handed over to the General of Infantry A.Z., Assistant Commander-in-Chief of the Caucasian Army. Myshlaev’s request for volunteers "to give the Tatar regiment to the Tatar regiment formed in Yelizavetpole, the highest granted by the emperor Nicholas I to the former Tatar regiment (1 th Equestrian Muslim regiment, formed during the Russian-Turkish war 1828-1829 - CH.S.) stored in Shusha district administration.

Despite the fact that Muslims had no moral basis in taking part in the “Russian” war: all because 50 years had passed since the end of the Caucasian War, many Caucasians warriors were grandchildren and, possibly, sons of people with weapons in the hands of the opposing Russian troops, however, a Muslim division formed from volunteers defended Russia. Perfectly aware of this, during his stay in Tiflis in November1914, he addressed the Muslim deputation with the following words: “I express my heartfelt thanks to all members of the Muslim population of the Tiflis and Elizavetpol gubernias, who so sincerely felt during the difficult time they were experiencing, which is proved by the equipment the Muslim population of the Caucasus, the six cavalry regiments of the division, which, under the command of my brother, went to fight our common enemy. Give my heartfelt thanks to the entire Muslim population for the love and loyalty of Russia. ”

By early September, the formation of the Tatar cavalry regiment was completed. 10 September 1914 in Yelizavetpol at 11 hours of the day, Hussein Efendi Efendiyev, the chairman of the provincial Sunni Majlis, served a part-time prayer service at Ynizx in the camp of the regiment with a huge crowd of people, and then at two o'clock in the Central Hotel of the city a dinner was given in honor of the regiment. Soon the regiment marched to Armavir, defined as a collection point for units of the Caucasian native horse division. In Armavir, the division commander, Grand Prince Mikhail Alexandrovich, became acquainted with the regiments. In late September, the division's regiments were redeployed to Ukraine, where they continued to prepare for combat work. Until the beginning of November, the Tatar cavalry regiment was stationed in the Zhmerinka region. By the way, the regiment received an unexpected replenishment in the person of a French citizen. From the ratio of the French consul in Baku Yelizavetpol governor of 18 dekabrya1914 g .: "I have the honor to inform you that I have received a telegram from the date of October 26-n / d from Zhmerinka station signed by Lieutenant Colonel Polovtsev Tatar cavalry regiment commander, informing me that a French citizen, a spare soldier Karl Testenoir entered as a rider in the aforementioned regiment ... "

In early November, the Caucasian Indigenous Horse Division was incorporated into the 2 Cavalry Corps of Lieutenant General Huseyn Khan Nakhichevan. From 15 November, the transfer of division units to Lviv began. November 26, in Lviv, corps commander Khan Nakhichevansky made a review of the division. An eyewitness to this event was the journalist Count Ilya Lvovich Tolstoy, the son of Lev Nikolayevich Tolstoy. “The regiments were ridden in the equestrian order, in marching order,” Ilya Lvovich wrote later in his essay “The Scarlet Towers”, “one is prettier than the other, and the whole city admired and marveled at an unprecedented hitherto spectacle for an hour ... Under the squeaky tune In their pipes, their warlike folk songs, smart typical riders in beautiful Circassian arms, brilliant gold and silver weapons, bright scarlet towers, nervous, turned horses, full of pride and national dignity passed by us. ” Directly from the regimental regiments, the divisions advanced to the area south-west of the city of Sambora, where they occupied the designated combat area on the banks of the Sana'a River. Started heavy combat winter work in the Carpathians. The division fought hard at Polyanchik, Rybne, Verkhovyna-Bystra. Particularly heavy bloody battles were in December1914 on Sana'a and in January1915 in the region of Lomna Lutoviska, where the division reflected the enemy’s advance on Peremyshl. From the essay “Wild Division” published in the “Annals of War”: “The snow is in the Carpathians, everything is white all around. Ahead along the ridges, in the snow trenches lay the Austrian infantry. Shoot the bullets. In chains lie in groups, - notes the author of the essay, - All relatives. All yours. Ahmet will be wounded - Ibrahim will endure, Ibrahim will be wounded - Israel will endure, Abdullah will be wounded - Idris will carry. And they will carry it out, neither the living nor the dead will be left ... The regiment was built as a campaign. Brownish-gray hundreds stand in the reserve colony, black burkas are strapped behind the saddles, mottled Khurdzhins hang on the thin sides of the horses, brown hats are shifted on the forehead. Ahead of the unknown and the battle, because the enemy is not far. On a white horse, with a rifle on his shoulders, the columns of the Mullah are marching forward. Reins of horsemen were thrown, small, thin mountain horses hung their heads, heads and horsemen were lowered, hands folded between their hands. Mullah reads a prayer before the battle, a prayer for the Sovereign, for Russia. Silently listen to her gloomy faces. “Amen,” sigh through the rows. “Amen, Allah, Allah! ..” comes the prayer sigh again, it is a sigh, not a shout. They put their palms on their foreheads, ran them across their faces, as if heavy thoughts were shaken off, and took the reins ... Ready to go. With Allah and for Allah. ”

In February, the 1915 Division conducted successful offensive operations. Since February 15, the Chechen and Tatar regiments fought a fierce battle near the village of Briń. As a result of a stubborn battle, after the melee, the enemy was knocked out of this settlement. The commander of the regiment, Lieutenant Colonel A. Polovtsev was awarded the Order of St. George the Victorious 4 degree. This is how Lieutenant-Colonel Polovtsev himself regarded his award in a telegram to Yelizavetpolsky Governor G. Kovalev: “The Tatar regiment was the first of the Nat Division to win its commander George Cross. Proud of a high reward, I consider it an exceptionally flattering assessment of high military qualities and selfless courage of Tatar riders. I ask you to accept the expression of my deepest admiration for the exampleless valor of the Muslim soldiers of the Elizavetpol province. Polovtsev. In this battle, Colonel Prince Feyzulla Mirza Qajar, who was also awarded the Order of St. George the Victorious 4 degree, especially distinguished himself. From the award presentation: “15 february1915, having taken command of 4 by hundreds of the Uman Cossack regiment, who had only one officer, on their own initiative, led them to a decisive offensive under strong rifle and machine-gun fire, twice returned the retreating Cossacks and, thanks to decisive action, promoted occupation of the village of Brin. " 17 february1915 Colonel Prince Feyzulla Mirza Kadzhar was appointed commander of the Chechen cavalry regiment, replacing the commander of the regiment colonel A. Svyatopolk-Mirsky who died in battle yesterday. 21 february1915 The division commander, Grand Duke Mikhail Alexandrovich, received an order from the commander of the 2 Cavalry Corps, Lieutenant General Khan Nakhichevansky, to knock the enemy out of Tlumach. To accomplish the task, the division commander moved the Tatar regiment, and then the Chechen regiment. As a result of the stubborn battle, Tlumach was busy. By the end of February, units of the 2 Cavalry Corps completed their combat mission in the Carpathian operation of the troops of the Southwestern Front. 16 July1915, in connection with the appointment of Colonel Khagandokov as Chief of Staff of the 2 Cavalry Corps, the command of the Chechen Regiment, Colonel Prince Feyzullah Mirza Kadzhar, took command of the 2- brigade. In July - August1915, the Caucasian Equestrian Division of the Equestrian Division fought on the left bank of the Dniester. Colonel Prince Feyzulla Mirza Qajar once again distinguished himself. From the order of the commander of the Caucasian Indigenous Horse Division: “He especially (Prince Qajar - C.S.) showed high valor during the heavy fighting in the Vinyatyntsy area (12 - 15 August1915), when commanding the 2 brigade that had lost around 250 riders beat 5 fierce attacks of the Austrians. "

At the beginning of 1916 there were big changes in the command structure of the division. Major General (Lieutenant General since July 12, 1916) D.P. was appointed as the division commander. Bagration. Major General Ya.D. appointed by the Chief of Staff of the 2nd Corps Yuzefovich as commander of the division was replaced by the commander of the Tatar cavalry regiment, Colonel Polovtsev. Major General S.A. was appointed commander of the 2nd Brigade. Drobyazgin. Colonel of the Kabardinsky Horse Regiment Prince Fedor Nikolaevich (Tembot Zhanhotovich) Bekovich - Cherkassky was appointed commander of the Tatar Horse Regiment. On May 31, 1916, Colonel Bekovich - Cherkassky received an order to drive the enemy out of the village of Tyshkovtsy personally led three hundred Tatar regiments under attack by Austrians. As a result of the horse attack, the village was occupied. 171 Austrian soldiers and 6 officers were captured. After half an hour, the enemy, with the help of two infantry battalions, with the support of artillery, made an attempt to return Tyshkivtsi. However, three dismounted hundreds of regiments supported by a machine-gun platoon from the Baltic squad fleet met the attacking enemy with dense fire. The enemy’s attack drowned. Nevertheless, until the middle of the day, the Austrians tried several more times to recapture the Tyshkivtsi, but to no avail. After some time, two hundred Chechens, Colonel Kajar, two guns of the equestrian mountain division and a battalion of the infantry Zaamur regiment came to the rescue of the Tatar regiment. Five enemy attacks were repelled during the day. In addition to 177 prisoners, the Austrians lost only 256 killed. For this battle, the commander of the Tatar cavalry regiment, Colonel Prince Bekovich - Cherkassky was introduced to the Order of St. George the Victorious 3rd degree. 4th degree St. George Crosses for a horse attack were awarded to a rider Pasha Rustamov, a native of the village of Yukhara Ayyply of the Elizavetpol district, Halil Bek Gasumov, a native of Shusha, and Prince Idris Aga Kajar (brother of the Chechen regiment commander Fayzulla Mirza). In the first decade of June, the Tatar cavalry regiment, as part of the 2nd brigade of the division, fought west of Chernivtsi. Overcoming the stubborn resistance of the enemy, by mid-June the brigade reached the Cheremosh River, on the opposite bank of which the Austrians were entrenched. On June 15, the Chechen and Tatar regiments crossed the river under fierce enemy fire and, immediately capturing the Rostock village, began to advance forward northwest towards the Bukovinian Carpathians towards the city of Vorokhta in the upper reaches of the Prut River. In these battles, the rider Kerim Kulu oglu, awarded the St. George Cross of the 4th degree and the junior officer Alexander Kaitukov, awarded the St. George Cross of the 2nd degree, were especially distinguished from the soldiers of the Tatar Regiment. On December 9, 1916, during the battle near the village of Vali-Salchi, the commander of the Chechen regiment, Colonel Prince Feizulla Mirza Kajar, was seriously injured. He was sent to a divisional sanitary unit, and then evacuated to Russia. Looking ahead, we’ll say that already on February 25, 1917, Colonel Kajar returned to duty and again headed the Chechen cavalry regiment.

In March, 1917, a number of divisional officers were awarded for bravery and military distinctions on the Romanian front. Among them were the cornet of the Tatar cavalry regiment, Jamshid Khan of Nakhichevan, who was awarded the Order of Sts. Stanislav 2 degree with swords and staff captain of the Kabardian Equestrian Regiment Kerim Khan Erivansky, who received the Order of St. Anna 2 degree with swords. On May 7, the commander of the Chechen Equestrian Regiment, Colonel Prince Feyzulla Mirza Kadzhar, was promoted to major general for military distinctions, and on May 30 the same year, he was appointed commander of the 2 Brigade. On May 14, the commander of the Tatar cavalry regiment, colonel Prince Bekovich-Cherkassky, was appointed commander of the 1 Guards Cuirassier Regiment. The commander of the Tatar cavalry regiment was appointed Colonel Prince Levan Luarsabovich Magalov. On May 22, the Chief of Staff of the division, Major General P. A. Polovtsev, was appointed Commander-in-Chief of the troops of the Petrograd Military District. From the telegram of P.Polovtsev to one of the initiators of the formation of the Tatar cavalry regiment Mamed Khan Ziyatkhanov: “Having received the permission of the Minister of War to keep the uniform of the Tatar equestrian regiment, I ask you to convey to the Muslim population of Elizavetpol gubernia and Borchaly district that I will proudly keep the memory of the valiant Polk collected in their own environment, at the head of which I had the honor to be a year and a half. An endless series of exploits in the fields of Galicia and Romania, Muslims have proved themselves worthy descendants of great ancestors and loyal sons of our great homeland. Commander-in-Chief of the troops of the Petrograd Military District, General Polovtsev. "

During the summer offensive of the troops of the South-Western Front, the Caucasian native horse division acted west of the city of Stanislavov. So throughout June 29 continued to develop fighting on the river Lomnitsa. The enemy counterattacked in the direction of the city of Kalush. In the morning of that day, Major-General Prince Feyzulla Mirza Qajar, on the eve of having crossed with his 2 brigade through Lomnitsa near the village of Podhorniki, moved to Kalush, which had a fierce battle. On the way of the brigade, the 466 Infantry Regiment was retreating randomly under the pressure of the enemy. As it was later noted in the order for the Caucasian native cavalry division, General Qajar led “decisive measures and“ force of conviction ”into“ order ”of the confused regiment, encouraged them and sent them back to the trenches, and then continued to carry out their task.

On June 24, by a Resolution of the Provisional Government, 1917 was allowed to award officers with "soldier-made" St. George's crosses "for the feats of personal bravery and valor." In particular, the decree of St. George's Tatar cavalry regiment awarded the St. George crosses of the 4 degree: regiment commander colonel Prince Levan Magalov, lieutenant Jamshid Khan Nakhichevansky, cornets Prince Haitbey Shervashidze and Count Nikolai Bobrinsky. In the most difficult conditions of the summer of 1917, when the front was broken, and the Russian army was demoralized, and parts of it randomly left the positions, the Caucasian soldiers stood to the death. From the article "Faithful Sons of Russia" published in the newspaper "Morning of Russia": "Caucasian native division, all the same long-suffering" wild "who, with their lives, pay for trading and traitorous accounts of the Russian army for fraternization, its freedom and its culture. “Wild” saved the Russian army in Romania; The “wild” uncontrolled blow overthrew the Austrians and, at the head of the Russian army, passed the whole of Bukovina and took Chernovitsy. "Wild" broke into Galich and drove the Austrians a week ago. And yesterday the “wild” ones again, saving the retreating rally column, rushed forward and repulsed their positions, saved the situation. “Wild” aliens - they will pay Russia with blood for all that land, for all the will that the organized soldiers are demanding today, who are running from front to rear rallies ”.

During its combat activities, the division suffered heavy losses. Suffice it to say that in three years more than seven thousand horsemen, natives of the Caucasus and Transcaucasia, passed through the service in the division. The regiments of the division were replenished several times with spare hundreds arriving from the places of their formation. Despite this, Caucasians, fighting on all fronts: Austrian, German, Romanian, have always been distinguished by great courage and unshakable hardness. In one year alone, the division conducted 16 equestrian attacks - an example unprecedented in the military stories. The number of prisoners taken by the Caucasian native horse division during the war years was four times higher than its own strength. About 3500 riders were awarded the St. George Cross and St. George Medal "For Bravery", many became full St. George's knights. All officers of the division were awarded military orders.

Numerous military awards were awarded to the soldiers of the Tatar cavalry regiment. In addition to those already mentioned above, military awards were also awarded: captain Shahverdi Khan Ziyatkhanov, staff captains Suleiman Bek Sultanov and Exhan Khan Nakhichevansky, staff captain Jalal Bek Sultanov, lieutenant Salim Bek Sultanov. Particularly distinguished noncommissioned officers and ordinary horsemen: full of St. George Cavaliers, i.e. rewarded with the St. George crosses of all four grades of steel: Alibek Nabibekov, a native of the village of Arablu, Zangezur district, Sayad Zeynalov, a native of the village of Agkeynek, Kazakh district, Sayad Zeynalov, Mehdi Ibrahimov, Alekper Khadzhiev, Datso Durov, Alexander Kaytukov. Three crosses of St. George and three St. George medals were awarded to Osman Aga Gulmamedov, a native of the village of Salakhly of the Kazakh district. Of particular note is the native of Shushi town Zeynal Bek Sadikhov, who, having begun service as a noncommissioned officer in the reconnaissance team, earned three crosses of St. George and St. George medal, and after production for military distinctions officers were awarded four military orders.

In late August, 1917g. A Muslim charity evening was held in Tiflis in favor of the injured and the families of the dead soldiers of the Caucasian native horse division. In this connection, the newspaper Kavkazsky Krai wrote: “Having visited a Muslim evening, we will give only a tiny part of that huge unpaid debt that lies on all of Russia, on all of us before the Caucasus and before the noble wild division for Russia for three years ". At the same time, at the end of August, it was decided to reform the Caucasian native cavalry division into the Caucasian native cavalry corps. To this end, 1-th Dagestan and two Ossetian cavalry regiments were transferred to the division. After formation, the corps was to be sent to the Caucasus at the disposal of the commander of the Caucasian army. However, already in connection with the “Kornilov case”, the order of the Provisional Government, the commander of the Caucasian Indigenous Equestrian Corps, Lieutenant General Prince Bagration, and the commander of the 2 Caucasian Indigenous Equestrian Division, Major General Prince Gagarin, were relieved of their posts. On the same day, by order of the Provisional Government, Lieutenant General P.A. Polovtsev was appointed commander of the Caucasian native equestrian corps. The 1-th Caucasian native horse division was headed by Major-General Prince Feyzulla Mirza Qajar. General Polovtsev succeeded in obtaining from Kerensky that the previously adopted order to send the corps to the Caucasus was executed.

At the end of September - the beginning of October1917, units and subunits of the corps were redeployed to the Caucasus. The headquarters of the corps was located in Vladikavkaz, and the headquarters of the 1-th Caucasian native horse division in Pyatigorsk. After the October Revolution in Petrograd, the corps retained, in general terms, its organization for some time, as a military unit. So, for example, as early as October - November1917, Corps Commander General Polovtsev conducted regiment reviews. In particular, as indicated in one of the orders to the corps, 26 of October in the colony Yelenendorf, near Elizavetpol, he (General Polovtsev - Ch.S.) "watched the Tatar regiment". However, by January1918, the Caucasian native cavalry corps had ceased to exist.

Three years Caucasian native horse division was in the army in the South-Western and Romanian fronts. With their dedicated combat work, innumerable feats and loyalty to military duty, Caucasians have earned their deserved fame in the army and in Russia as a whole.
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  1. survivor
    survivor 25 June 2013 08: 03 New
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    I read a lot about the Ingush regiment. argued about a lot. I put +.
  2. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 25 June 2013 08: 56 New
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    Cognitive article, thank you!
  3. cartridge
    cartridge 25 June 2013 09: 05 New
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    During its combat activities, the division suffered heavy losses. It is enough to say that over three years, a total of more than seven thousand horsemen, natives of the Caucasus and Transcaucasia, passed through service in the division.


    Something I did not understand about the loss. The total number of past service is not at all that the total number of losses.
    1. Beck
      Beck 25 June 2013 18: 26 New
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      Quote: cartridge
      Something I did not understand about the loss. The total number of past service is not at all that the total number of losses.


      I read somewhere - The personnel of the Wild Division for the war, as a result of losses, was replaced three times.
  4. smersh70
    smersh70 25 June 2013 09: 51 New
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    After January 1918, parts of the Tatar regiment formed the basis for the formation of the People’s Army of the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic in Ganja (Elizavetopol) ... Thanks to the military experience gained during the war, it was possible to keep the territory of present Azerbaijan ... It was this Regiment that raised the uprising on May 2 on June 11 in Ganja against the Bolsheviks, voluntarily joining the Red Army and seeing that the Bolsheviks had brought to this land, raised a rebellion, to which the German colonists also participated ....
    Some died in those battles, some went to Georgia, Turkey, and Iran ... According to some reports, some of the officers served in the Polish Army and on the side of Ataturk ...
    1. dmb
      dmb 25 June 2013 14: 39 New
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      And what did the Bolsheviks bring to this land? Or did they strangle workers from the Baku crafts and landless peasants? The backs and khans naturally had problems. If you are a beck’s great-nephew, then your regrets are clear. Just do not forget that neither the workers from the crafts, nor the Azerbaijani peasants, too, had a special love for the Beks and drove them no less actively than the Red Army.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 25 June 2013 17: 27 New
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        Quote: dmb
        They also didn’t have a special love for the beks and drove them no less actively than the Red Army.


        a whole month without the support of the population it is impossible to defend the whole city from the Bolsheviks ....

        and most importantly, the Bolsheviks took away the INDEPENDENCE of this country. !!!!!!! which was confirmed many years later !!!!!!!! when your question was asked by Stalin to Mamedamin Rasulzade, who became the head of the republic and during a meeting at the station in May 20 ... Rasulzadeyu replied ..--. You may be right, in a short time we were not able to implement a lot ... but most importantly, we gave the people a taste of FREEDOM for 120 years ... and ONCE THE BANNER RAISED NEVER FALLS ". Which was confirmed in the future !!!!!!!
        1. dmb
          dmb 25 June 2013 20: 12 New
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          I strongly recommend that you re-read what you have written. There is one of two things, either you do not respect your people, believing that "because of your narrow-mindedness" he preferred "Bolshevik slavery" to "independence with the Beks", or the people were all the same smart and wonderful understood the advantages of life without beks. I am for the second option, and you?
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 26 June 2013 12: 13 New
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            Quote: dmb
            or the people were still smart and perfectly understood the advantages of life without backs. I am for the second option, and you?


            just like the Russian peasant and the Azerbaijani peasant, because of their nearness, they all the same preferred the Bolsheviks ..... after all, the Bolsheviks whistled the land question with the Socialist Revolutionaries ... promised and did not give .. hi can you recall the Tambov uprising or the Kronstadt uprising .. or the chain of uprisings over the course of 28-33 years ... only in the Kelbajar region in 32 did the peasants keep the region from the Bolsheviks for more than a month ....
            I understand ... saying the Bolsheviks, you mean the USSR .... and I grew up there and got my education thanks to the Bolsheviks too ........ But everything needs to be distinguished and said for success and failure ... . hi
            1. dmb
              dmb 26 June 2013 14: 30 New
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              I absolutely agree with you. It is the USSR, I hope you have no doubt that the Bolsheviks built it, and not the khans at all. Here are just about these successes you are silent. So still the peasants had to listen to the beks? As for the uprisings, I dare also recall that in addition to rights, there are also obligations. Including the obligation to support the state in difficult times for him. And then we want to have rights and land, but to defend the government that made it possible to obtain this land (including by supplying the army) for free, not really. And the fact that it was not the peasants, among whom were the Bolsheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries who started the war, but those same Beks, I hope it is not necessary to prove ?. Or do you think that they were giving away property, bursting into tears of emotion?
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 26 June 2013 17: 05 New
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                Quote: dmb
                but to defend the power that made it possible to get this land



                and so they didn’t give this land to the peasants ... that’s the trick. and they did not support this power in 91 .... by the way, our land was completely given to the peasants ... unlike YOU ..... hi
                1. dmb
                  dmb 26 June 2013 18: 02 New
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                  You know, dialogue is possible if both parties are interested in it. You go away from the answers, which either indicates the absence of arguments, or the desire to argue for the sake of argument. It is not interesting. And here the Bolsheviks and the current government in Russia. If you wish to continue the discussion productively, please answer the questions posed in the previous comments. Otherwise, to continue the discussion I see no reason. Sincerely.
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 27 June 2013 09: 38 New
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                    Quote: dmb
                    I ask the discussion to answer the questions,


                    I answer - yes, the Bolsheviks created the USSR. It’s clear like God's day
                    the obligation exists, but if in the case of the ADR, then there was no resistance, due to the fact that the government had already adopted the ultimatum of the Red Army and local communists
                    what kind of war the beks started about, I didn’t understand ... they didn’t start a single war ....
                    and the fact that the Beks have sewed up the land, so which one will simply give their land ..... I hope you don’t give your property just as well ..... (by the way, if you advocate for communist equality, then give me your car)) ))))
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 25 June 2013 21: 43 New
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          Quote: smersh70
          and most importantly

          ** This is how Lieutenant Colonel Polovtsev regarded his award in a telegram to the governor of Elizabeth G. Kovalev: “The Tatar regiment was the first of the Native Division to earn its commander the George Cross. Proud of the high award, I consider it an extremely flattering assessment of high military qualities and the selfless courage of the Tatar horsemen. I ask you to accept the expression of my deepest admiration for the unprecedented valor of Muslim soldiers of the Elizabethpol province. Polovtsev** - this is about your countrymen !!))
          Why are his words still not engraved on granite in Ganja! ??))
          By the way, when I found this article and gave it for moderation, it was Polovtsev’s attitude towards his subordinates and the heroism of individual soldiers that struck me!
          I am now collecting materials about each of them !!
          Most importantly, I knew almost nothing about any of them!
          **Of particular note is the native of Shushi, Zeynal Bek Sadikhov, who, having started as a non-commissioned officer on the intelligence team, earned three St. George’s crosses and a St. George medal, and after being awarded four military orders as an officer for military distinctions ***
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 26 June 2013 12: 47 New
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            Quote: Yarbay
            I ask you to accept the expression of my deepest admiration for the unprecedented valor of Muslim soldiers of the Elizabethpol province. Polovtsev "** - this is about your countrymen !!))



            not without reason Ganja is called the city of revolutions))))) the character and heroism of fellow countrymen and the truth is at a high level !!!!!))))
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  6. Uhe
    Uhe 25 June 2013 10: 54 New
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    Another tale about the effectiveness of the natives. The only thing they were effective in was the robbery of civilians in the occupied lands and in the suppression of riots on Russian soil. By the way, nothing has changed. Individual heroes were honor and praise. But in the bulk - untrained and wild, ineffective egocentrists. When kept in an iron rein, they did something as soon as they gave slack - abreks abreks. It is better to read historians with links to documents, and not these tales about how 300 Chechens fought for the Brest Fortress;) After all, fairy tales.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 25 June 2013 12: 19 New
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      Quote: Uhe
      not these tales about how 300 Chechens fought for the Brest Fortress;) After all, fairy tales.


      The regiment of "marauders" is not increased to the corps ....... they are immediately disbanded for your information ...
      You should visit the Brest region and talk with the inhabitants of nearby villages .... they will tell you what and how it was .. and how they fought ... hi
      and people like you, as commanders of 2 divisions, the personnel who were in the Fortress, would be the first to drape to Minsk ........
      1. omsbon
        omsbon 25 June 2013 13: 53 New
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        I visited the Holy Place - Brest Fortress twice! He went around and examined her all, where it is possible and where they are not allowed. I talked with guides and historians from the museum, it is very interesting, but there were never any 300 Chechens who talked about, as well as any other national formations. Separately, among the military units stationed in the Brest Fortress, there were probably all the nationalities of the Soviet Union, it is not superfluous to recall that Major Gavrilov was Tatar by nationality, but the Russians were the basis.
        And yet, according to Marshal Bagromyan, if the military unit is less than 60% of Russians, then this unit is not combat ready.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 25 June 2013 17: 33 New
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          Quote: omsbon
          I talked with guides and historians from the museum, it’s very interesting, but there were never any 300 Chechens who spoke


          and I watched the broadcast of Grozny TV recently ... there were also memories of residents of neighboring villages, where they even showed a place where a wounded Chechen was hanged by the Germans .... in 1942 ... and about the rest of the Chechens .. by the way there are national formations there wasn’t ... they served like ordinary soldiers. The national formations were abolished in the Red Army in 1937 ... hi
          By the way, you went 2 times .... I climbed there for 5 years while I was studying)))
          and it’s just not Bagriyan’s opinion, here Yarbai answered your question .... let him answer first of all for the South-Western Front and for the Kharkov operation .... where 80% of the Russians and Ukrainians were in part ... hi
          1. omsbon
            omsbon 25 June 2013 19: 20 New
            +4
            No one can ever deny that the heroes who gave their lives for our common Motherland were representatives of different nationalities, Glory to them and Eternal Peace!
            However, forgetting why the Chechens or these cats-Judas were expelled from the Crimea, and other "victims" is IMPOSSIBLE, this is not correct.
            It is also not right to erect monuments to those who died in the war, dividing them by nationality. This is all nonsense!
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 25 June 2013 21: 58 New
          +3
          Quote: omsbon
          And yet, according to Marshal Bagromyan, if the military unit is less than 60% of Russians, then this unit is not combat ready.

          Hello!
          I wrote more than once about this!
          I think what Bagryrym said was the usual slaughter of an unsuccessful staffer!
          I studied the biographies and combat path of Baghramyan and Babajanyan and am surprised at how they were promoted! Those who deserved to be shot dozens of times for their incompetence were promoted by bloggers thanks to their rulers!
          I don’t want to think here, I wrote this because they are Armenians, no, just once, in the heat of discussion, one opponent said that there is a village of Armenian marshals that everyone lived in the same village!
          I began to get interested and while I thoroughly studied the biographies of two from the bottom of Baghramyan and Babajanyan !! For both, I can cite the documents and statements of their commanders that they were useless commanders and * miraculously * avoided being shot!
          The results of the defeat of the South Western Front:
          Irretrievable losses on our part — about 200 thousand people, on the part of the Nazis — 20 thousand!
          The Nazis opened the way to Stalingrad and the Caucasus!

          from a letter from Stalin about Baghramyan: -Here in Moscow, members of the Defense Committee and people from the General Staff decided to remove Comrade Comrade Chief of Staff of the Southwestern Front. Baghramyan. [i]Comrade Baghramyan does not satisfy the Headquarters not only as the chief of staff, called upon to strengthen communications and leadership of the armies, but does not satisfy the Headquarters even as a simple informant, obliged to honestly and truthfully report to the Headquarters on the situation at the front [/ i]. Moreover, Comrade Baghramyan was unable to learn a lesson from the catastrophe that erupted on the Southwestern Front. Over the course of any three weeks, the Southwestern Front, thanks to its frivolity, not only lost the half-won Kharkov operation, but still managed to give the enemy 18–20 divisions.
          Moreover, he was constantly saved and arranged at the headquarters of Zhukov and out of a personal relationship with Baghramyan, as well as Mikoyan!
          I bring some points - Baghramyan made friends with Zhukov in the mid-20s, when both were students of cavalry courses in Leningrad. After Georgy Konstantinovich fell into disgrace, Ivan Khristoforovich did not stop communicating with him. This Zhukov helped Ivan to change his routine teaching work at the Academy of the General Staff and return to duty, although Bagrymyan never commanded either a platoon or a company or a battalion !!no part during the war!! And in principle, even before the war! I was always at the headquarters, but I received the ranks and awards regularly!
          During World War II as a result of the offensive
          operations Soviet troops reached the Baltic Sea. General Baghramyan
          decided to effectively inform Stalin about this by sending him a bottle of Baltic water.
          But while the adjutant brought this bottle to the Kremlin by plane, the Germans managed
          beat off the bridgehead and squeeze our troops off the coast. Adjutant about it
          I didn’t know, but Stalin already knew, and when they handed him the bottle, he said:
          - Return it to comrade Bagramyan, let him pour it into the Baltic Sea!
          I emphasize that there were Armenian heroes in the Second World War, but these were not Baghramyan and not Babajanyan!
          1. omsbon
            omsbon 26 June 2013 02: 28 New
            +2
            Alibek, glad to welcome!
            I don’t argue about Bagromyan’s personality, I just referred to his opinion as I think it is right.
            Yours faithfully,
            good night.
        3. a
          a 25 June 2013 22: 34 New
          0
          Quote: omsbon
          And yet, according to Marshal Bagromyan, if the military unit is less than 60% of Russians, then this unit is not combat ready.


          I can assume that this is due not so much to the Russian militancy, but to the fact that there was a national division within the units. and if there were less than 60% of Russians, then the unit lost combat effectiveness because it was impossible to solve the national question in this unit. when there were more than 60% of Russians, then with such a national composition of the subdivision of interethnic problems there were practically no, and part of it was combat-ready. this is just an assumption
        4. Beck
          Beck 27 June 2013 06: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: omsbon
          And yet, according to Marshal Bagromyan, if the military unit is less than 60% of Russians, then this unit is not combat ready.



          Quote: omsbon
          I don’t argue about Bagromyan’s personality, I just referred to his opinion as I think it is right.


          If you don’t argue about Baghramyan’s identity, then you agree with Yarbay that Baghramyan is a slander. And from here you think the opinion is correct. Interesting logic.

          In general, it is logically unacceptable to elevate a separate personal opinion of an individual person to the rank of truth, on the one hand, and on the other, it is an insult to representatives of other peoples. In 316 divisions (8 guards), defending Moscow, there were no 60% of Russians. The number seems to be 505, the national Kazakhstani division defended Stalingrad, when it was withdrawn from the fighting, it numbered only 500 people. The 314 and 315 divisions defending Leningrad were also not 60% manned by the Russians.

          In my house, in the most prominent place, my father’s military and labor awards hang, as a memory of ALL WINNERS, and you divide people according to nationality. Below are anniversary medals; my father did not wear them.
    2. def89
      def89 25 June 2013 21: 45 New
      0
      In the village of Itum-Kale, I do not know how it is now, in 2000 there was a street named after the name of their countryman. I apologize for his name I don’t remember, but he is a Hero of the Soviet Union, defender of the Brest Fortress! I went through 2 companies, but I respect the Chechens, and not hatred. there is a good saying- (In a herd, not without a black sheep)
      . And they are not fighting badly, sometimes they had to learn from them.
  7. Avenger711
    Avenger711 25 June 2013 11: 44 New
    +3
    A bunch of bandits, which was brought to an acceptable level only at the end of the war, and everything was as usual, the last Chechen in battle, the first in robbery.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 25 June 2013 12: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: Avenger711
      the last Chechen in battle, the first in robbery.



      I will never believe that the Chechen was the last in the battle (31/12.1995/080808) ... (XNUMX) ... hi
      1. def89
        def89 25 June 2013 21: 48 New
        +1
        In the village of Itum-Kale, I do not know how it is now, in 2000 there was a street named after the name of their countryman. I apologize for his name I don’t remember, but he is a Hero of the Soviet Union, defender of the Brest Fortress! I went through 2 companies, but I respect the Chechens, and not hatred. there is a good saying- (In a herd, not without a black sheep)
        . And they are not fighting badly, sometimes they had to learn from them.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 25 June 2013 22: 22 New
          +2
          Magomed Uzuyev street (photo) the outpost of the Argun border detachment is also named after him
          (about learning, I did not study with them)
          1. def89
            def89 26 June 2013 01: 49 New
            0
            when we took it, there were no border guards there. And the Czechs had to learn their methods of guerrilla warfare in order to deal effectively with them. the combat charter of the ground forces at that time was outdated, it was necessary to adapt to the conditions, even sometimes to the ancestors of command, expecting a duley even for a successful operation.
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 26 June 2013 02: 27 New
              +1
              did you take it? and there were no border guards? but what kind of unit can you tell us about the operation?
              1. def89
                def89 27 June 2013 20: 24 New
                -1
                138 brigade.
            2. Hleb
              Hleb 26 June 2013 02: 44 New
              0
              the military charter of the ground forces at that time was outdated.
              even sometimes to the forefathers of command


              also very interesting
              1. def89
                def89 27 June 2013 20: 22 New
                -1
                Yeah! According to the charter, a sniper joins a rifle when a company advances and goes in chain. Dear, did you serve in the army?
    2. IRBIS
      IRBIS 25 June 2013 14: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Avenger711
      A bunch of bandits, which was brought to an acceptable level only at the end of the war, and everything was as usual, the last Chechen in battle, the first in robbery.

      Sorry, but did you personally fight against the Chechens or near the Chechens?
      There is rabble in any nation and in any army, but only those who are "lucky" to fight more organized Chechen formations can confirm that this is not an easy task.
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 25 June 2013 18: 19 New
        0
        Well, when the Chechens are prevented from robbing, yes, but as for Russia, it’s sorry! Moreover, the opinion is the same with the tsarist, and the white, and the red generals.
    3. Beck
      Beck 25 June 2013 19: 53 New
      +4
      Quote: Avenger711
      A bunch of bandits, which was brought to an acceptable level only at the end of the war, and everything was as usual, the last Chechen in battle, the first in robbery.


      Yeah. This is how you should not respect the components of your story. The Caucasus was part of the Russian Empire and its history, it is part of the history of Russia.

      Yes, the mentality of the mountaineers was different than that of the farmers, but is it really bad. Each nation has its own traditions. Yes, discipline was weak, but they were not regular, trained, personnel troops. These were irregular military units recruited from civilians. Yes, their rifle training was weak, as the mountaineers preferred edged weapons - a saber and a dagger. Yes, they were ill in the trench, as they recognized the dashing cavalry attack. Yes, there have been cases of looting, but call me an army in the history of mankind that would be without this vice.

      And explain to me Aenger and why this Russian imperial cadre army fought for 50 years in the Caucasus if the last Caucasian in battle. And why is Russia, in the recent modern reckoning, waging two wars with Chechnya, if the Chechen is the last in battle. And it is not known how long the last wars in the Caucasus would have lasted if the Russian cadre army did not have overwhelming superiority in armored vehicles, aviation, artillery, communications, and supplies. But what is overwhelming there, aviation, tanks, artillery, in fact, the Chechens did not have.

      You are not objective Avengir and do not honor the general story Russians You are pushing your exclusivity while living in a multinational state.
      1. omsbon
        omsbon 26 June 2013 03: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: Beck
        . Each nation has its own traditions.

        The ability to cut off their heads, hide behind pregnant women, trade people, sell their mothers the corpses of their children is all the glorious traditions of the proud Caucasian sons.
        The lack of culture and unthinkable rudeness, young lovers of goats and donkeys, who for some reason go to our cities from their mountain villages, cause an extremely negative attitude towards all Caucasians.
        Therefore, you need to change the prevailing stereotypes. To learn and work, and not to try to take someone else’s force or deceit, to behave decently when he comes to someone else’s house.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 26 June 2013 03: 13 New
          -1
          young lovers of goats and donkeys
          Well, actually, Kazakhs and Chechens should not be blamed
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 26 June 2013 12: 24 New
          -2
          Quote: omsbon
          The ability to cut off their heads, hide behind pregnant women, trade people, sell their mothers the corpses of their children is all the glorious traditions of the proud Caucasian sons.



          First you look at your own corner ... then at the neighbor’s ....... smile
          1. omsbon
            omsbon 26 June 2013 12: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: smersh70
            First you look at your own corner ... then at the neighbor’s .......

            Bravo! An exhaustive answer!
            Bye!
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 26 June 2013 12: 51 New
              -2
              Quote: omsbon
              Bravo!


              after reading, add the ending "those" to the word "look" and there will definitely be an exhaustive answer hi
        3. Beck
          Beck 26 June 2013 21: 05 New
          0
          Quote: omsbon
          The ability to cut off their heads, hide behind pregnant women, trade people, sell their mothers the corpses of their children is all the glorious traditions of the proud Caucasian sons.


          M-YES. You have absolutely no ability to compare existing reality, and then draw conclusions. By the bandits you judge all the people. So you can judge the Russians by Vlasov from the ROA and the police, by such maniacs as Chikatilo. The common vices of mankind as rudeness and lack of culture why you transfer only to other nations. And the Kazakhs have louts and that, all of Kazakhstan blame it.

          Quote: omsbon
          Therefore, you need to change the prevailing stereotypes. To learn and work, and not to try to take someone else’s force or deceit, to behave decently when he comes to someone else’s house.


          Here you personally need to choose between two points of view. Of course you are proud of Russia within its current borders and of course you are proud of the vast territory. But if so you must learn to live with other nations. And if you blame other nations for taking everything away from you, then come forward with secession initiative Caucasus, Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Chuvashia from Russia. Then nobody will come to your house, you will live on your own and still suffer from bandits and thieves, but only truly Russian ones. And before blaming others for coming and taking a look back at Moldova and Transnistria - who took it from whom.
          1. omsbon
            omsbon 27 June 2013 00: 32 New
            +2
            Quote: Beck
            Here you personally need to choose between two points of view.

            Here is a striking example of your cattle, on you to a stranger.
            I see no reason to argue with an opponent, under a funny striped flag who does not want to understand what they are saying.
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 27 June 2013 01: 07 New
              +1
              Quote: omsbon
              under a funny striped flag


              Andrei hi a visitor named Beck from Kazakhstan.
              1. omsbon
                omsbon 27 June 2013 10: 05 New
                +1
                Quote: Apollon
                m. Bek from Kazakhstan.

                Thank you dear Apollo!
                I guessed that Beck was clearly not from the United States. laughing
            2. Beck
              Beck 28 June 2013 08: 21 New
              -1
              Quote: omsbon
              Here is a striking example of your cattle, on you to a stranger.


              Wow, he reproaches entire nations, and then he was offended that you were turned to him. You will not divide the nations into the best and the worst then they will turn to you.
              1. omsbon
                omsbon 28 June 2013 10: 19 New
                0
                Quote: Beck
                You will not divide the nations into the best and the worst then they will turn to you.

                Kind! Is this about yourself in the plural?
                And how did I divide the peoples?
                1. Beck
                  Beck 28 June 2013 22: 05 New
                  +1
                  Quote: omsbon
                  Kind! Is this about yourself in the plural?
                  And how did I divide the peoples?


                  Well, for example, if there are good nations, but there are,
                  Quote: omsbon
                  However, forgetting why the Chechens or these cats-Judas were expelled from the Crimea, and other "victims" is IMPOSSIBLE, this is not correct.


                  The Chechens, except for some cases of helping the enemy, but not of the entire people, were also expelled for the fact that some elderly, out of mind surviving imam gave Hitler, through a German field officer, a white horse. The "cattle" from the Crimea, the Tatars, but not without exception, spoke out not for fascism, but against the power of the communists.

                  And in general, part of the Ukrainians, the Balts and others fought for fascism, the true face of fascism became known only at the end of the war, at the Nuremberg trials, and against the power of the Communists. And this is a natural phenomenon when, with the help of an external force, they want to get rid of another prevailing force. This is how Russia leaving the Horde accepted the help of the Crimean Khanate and the Principality of Lithuania.

                  By the way, I met the statements of Russians who were reproached for cowardice and flight azerbaijani national division during the Kerch operation. Type there were not 60% of Russians. So EVERYTHING failed, not the division, but the Soviet command. It incorrectly assessed the situation and concentrated all its forces and reserves on the right flank. And the German command with all its forces delivered the main blow to the left flank, where only one Azerbaijani division was located. It was simply defeated many times by superior forces of the Germans.

                  And in general, why share a common VICTORY. Everyone died and was captured, and retreated, and attacked, and ALL came to Berlin.
                  1. omsbon
                    omsbon 29 June 2013 02: 31 New
                    0
                    Quote: Beck
                    And in general, why share a common VICTORY. Everyone died and was captured, and retreated, and attacked, and ALL came to Berlin.

                    Thank God! Finally a sound and clever idea! I am very happy about this!
                    Good night.
        4. def89
          def89 27 June 2013 20: 18 New
          -2
          You should have seen what some of our soldiers did.
  8. Indigo
    Indigo 25 June 2013 12: 59 New
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    Makhnovsky Days 2010 was marked by special news from Russia. Everyone has heard the Moscow idea of ​​organizing a “Wild Division” of Caucasians. To stop the terror in the barracks. However, in the south of Ukraine there is its own memory of a real Wild Division during the Civil War. And this memory is implicated in hatred and contempt.

    In the fall of 1919, Nestor Makhno defeated the 1st Indigenous Horse Division of Denikin's General Rivishin. Abrekov were cut with unprecedented fury. The reasons for the rabid Ukrainian fierce were compelling.

    By October 1919, the army of Nestor Makhno was retreating under the onslaught of officers and Cossack units. Native cavalry was in the second echelon, engaged in robberies and violence.

    According to eyewitnesses, even the Latvian arrows were not so cruel. The officer of the Native Division De Witt testifies: “The specific gravity of the Chechen as a warrior is small; by nature, he is an abrek robber, and, moreover, not from the bold: he always designates a weak sacrifice for himself and in case of victory over it becomes cruel to sadism. ”
    The Makhnovists harbored fierce hatred towards the highlanders. Captured White Officer
    could count on a quick death, the soldier was generally released into the wild. The highlanders-rapists were not threatened. A bullet in such cases seemed rare happiness.

    In a battle near Aleksandrovsk (present-day Zaporozhye), Kozhin’s regiment literally shot two regiments of “natives”, cutting out the rest in a saber attack. The losses of the rebels amounted to 40 people, the losses of horsemen more - 1200 riders.

    Finally, the Wild Division was finished off on November 11 in a night battle near Yekaterinoslav. Now it is Dnepropetrovsk. Highlanders destroyed in the cavalry cabin, many fled and drowned in the Dnieper.

    700 people were captured. In the morning they were doused with kerosene and burned, or they were slowly chopped into small pieces with checkers ...
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 25 June 2013 13: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Indigo
      In the fall of 1919, Nestor Makhno defeated the 1st Indigenous Horse Division



      Comrade, in the time of Shakespeare they didn’t smoke cigarettes. FRIEND !!!!! fellow the article clearly states that the division was disbanded in January 1918 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      then, write, that the Tuzemtsev smashed in the fall of 1919 .. and then in the same month it turns out to be shy to retreat under the onslaught of the same broken parts ... you’ll get there hi - surely it was not a division ... but a Chinese fake ...))))) then all dressed in the form of highlanders .... by the way, only a real fashion or uniform specialist will distinguish a Cossack cloak from a cloak of peoples of the Northern Caucasus ...
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 25 June 2013 16: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: smersh70
        Comrade, in the time of Shakespeare they didn’t smoke cigarettes.


        It doesn't matter what was smoked in Shakespeare's time. What matters is that the "historians" of the Wild Division smoked, speaking of it as a "bunch of abreks".
        It is very difficult to talk with those who have never communicated with the highlanders, but still, a priori, consider them polls "abreks".
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 25 June 2013 17: 36 New
          +2
          ....
          Quote: IRBIS
          It’s very difficult to talk with those who have never talked with mountaineers,


          I completely agree with you !!!! A comrade from UNA-UNSO ... wanted to imagine the assembly of Makhno as some Rambo, .... which failed and turned out))))
      2. Indigo
        Indigo 25 June 2013 16: 24 New
        +2
        The whole article would take three or four standard places for com ... ev. I chose only significant paragraphs in my opinion. For you, I can send the entire article in PM.
        (Autumn is September, October and November - and in a week - two everything changes to the opposite).
  9. nnnnnn
    nnnnnn 25 June 2013 13: 19 New
    +4
    Old Man Makhno ceased to exist a wild division and did the right thing
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 25 June 2013 15: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: nnnnnn
      Old Man Makhno ceased to exist a wild division and did the right thing


      The one who stopped the existence of "Batka" Makhno did the right thing. You might think that his "army" was only engaged in distributing pies and driving round dances.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 25 June 2013 17: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: IRBIS
        You might think that his "army" was only engaged in distributing pies and driving round dances.



        laughing drinks hi good answer!!!!
  10. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 25 June 2013 17: 30 New
    -1
    in those troubled times, both were engaged in robberies and simple people suffered as always, but about the wild heroism I read somewhere that they were not attacking in the first wave, therefore they had many prisoners
  11. Avenger711
    Avenger711 25 June 2013 18: 21 New
    -1
    There is a proposal to ban propaganda of Chechenism in Russia, otherwise the proud eagles of the Caucasus have already lied to impossibility.
  12. Indigo
    Indigo 25 June 2013 19: 38 New
    0
    Quote: smersh70
    I completely agree with you !!!! A comrade from UNA-UNSO ... wanted to imagine the assembly of Makhno as some Rambo, .... which failed and turned out))))

    Hanging labels, not knowing my life position - at least this is so in abbreviation.
    climbed to look for "breaks in dates" - but missed "love" and the methods of expressing it of ordinary villagers to the "proud eagles" of the gray-haired Caucasus - well, why were they so loved?
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 26 June 2013 12: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Indigo
      "The proud eagles" of the gray-haired Caucasus - why were they so loved?


      these sons of the Caucasus took Sevastopol. defended Kerch ... my grandfather laid his head there .... 2 divisions remained there ..... took Sapun-Gora ... liberated Minsk and Kiev ...... after such words from I feel like they were doing it in vain .....

      history loves specifics .. facts, dates ... so when you write and draw conclusions, rely on facts hi
      1. omsbon
        omsbon 26 June 2013 17: 44 New
        -1
        Quote: smersh70
        these sons of the Caucasus took Sevastopol. defended Kerch ... my grandfather laid his head there .... 2 divisions remained there ..... took Sapun-Gora ... liberated Minsk and Kiev ...... after such words from I feel like they were doing it in vain .....

        Well, it’s not at any gate! Can the head heat overheat?
        I repeat once again, in one formation all the nationalities of the Soviet Union fought for the Soviet Motherland!
        Well, and whoever feels that they didn’t do it in vain, one can only sympathize with their brave grandfathers and laugh at the stupid descendants.
  13. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 25 June 2013 21: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Beck
    Quote: Avenger711
    A bunch of bandits, which was brought to an acceptable level only at the end of the war, and everything was as usual, the last Chechen in battle, the first in robbery.


    Yeah. This is how you should not respect the components of your story. The Caucasus was part of the Russian Empire and its history, it is part of the history of Russia.

    Yes, the mentality of the mountaineers was different than that of the farmers, but is it really bad. Each nation has its own traditions. Yes, discipline was weak, but they were not regular, trained, personnel troops. These were irregular military units recruited from civilians. Yes, their rifle training was weak, as the mountaineers preferred edged weapons - a saber and a dagger. Yes, they were ill in the trench, as they recognized the dashing cavalry attack. Yes, there have been cases of looting, but call me an army in the history of mankind that would be without this vice.

    And explain to me Aenger and why this Russian imperial cadre army fought for 50 years in the Caucasus if the last Caucasian in battle. And why is Russia, in the recent modern reckoning, waging two wars with Chechnya, if the Chechen is the last in battle. And it is not known how long the last wars in the Caucasus would have lasted if the Russian cadre army did not have overwhelming superiority in armored vehicles, aviation, artillery, communications, and supplies. But what is overwhelming there, aviation, tanks, artillery, in fact, the Chechens did not have.

    You are not objective Avengir and do not honor the general story Russians You are pushing your exclusivity while living in a multinational state.
  14. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 25 June 2013 21: 59 New
    +1
    about the last war in the Caucasus: if the soldiers were supplied with food and if it weren’t for the corruption of the government 2 weeks would be enough to establish order, it doesn’t matter how I quote Chechens
  15. Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 26 June 2013 03: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: Aspeed
    The fact that the Wild Division was disbanded a year before it was "defeated" by Makhno's dad did not stop the dad :)

    -so did Leyba Bronstein / Tgotsky / -A little detail - only the Wild Division and Koppel with his army did NOT abandon the king.