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Fighter Su-35 abolished the term "turning radius" - Chinese engineer

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The Deputy Chief Engineer of the Chinese Aviation Construction Corporation AVIC, Tang Yanshi, in an interview with the Global Times newspaper expressed his unconcealed pleasure from the maneuvers that the Russian fighter Su-35С made in the Paris sky.


The engineer stated that he got "pleasure while watching the Su-35С flight." The fighter showed a steady flight at 70 degrees of attack and made a horizontal turn of 360 degrees almost on site using a controlled thrust vector of engines (according to some media reports, the minimum radius of the horizontal turn of F-22A to 360 degrees at low altitude is 750 feet, or 229 meters - approx. "VP"). This fighter used technology that can be used in the creation of the next generation of Chinese aircraft.

The ability of the Su-35С almost on the spot to make a turn of 360 degrees is very important when conducting close air combat, says the engineer, having eliminated such a traditional parameter for determining the maneuverability of fighters as the turn radius. This factor gives the fighter faster than others to take a favorable position for launching infrared-guided missiles into the enemy’s tail.

The Americans also understand the importance of close combat by equipping their F-22 and F-35 with guns, since in some cases only guns can be used to defeat an air enemy. Tan Yanshi said stealth and super-maneuverability are now the most important requirements for fighters.

Russian media confirmed the information that Russia and China are negotiating on the Su-35. To the question “what does Su-35 mean for China?” Tan Yanshi answered that China’s rapid economic development requires equipping the armed forces with the most advanced weapons. “It would be a great blessing if the Su-35 goes into service with our military aviation"Said the engineer.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 20 June 2013 10: 04
    49
    The Chinese are already looking at him as future owners. Of course he pleases them ... laughing
    Only personally I am very sad
    This fighter uses technologies that can be used to create Chinese next-generation aircraft.
    1. YARY
      YARY 20 June 2013 11: 12
      +1
      Hear "experienced"! Something I will not understand, then if you please, to spread rot in the company with Vadimka, will you sing another song?
      I talked with the publication Persha and say that I SELL THAT WHAT THEY SAID ON THEIR CATS!
      Lope we have entih S-35 in the army?
      What is the territory of our country and the one that buys novos from us?
      Are we selling to enemies and foes? And we yourself are without pants.
      Well? Give everything for the loot?
      1. experienced
        experienced 20 June 2013 11: 17
        18
        Quote: Ardent
        Hear "experienced"! Something I will not understand, then if you please, to spread rot in the company with Vadimka, will you sing another song?

        Hey, why did we graze the pigs together? I understand that mowing is in trend right now for my boyfriend, but I didn’t give a reason to turn to you! hi
        Of course, only you can confuse the situation between "spread rot" and "poke your nose into your own comments" !!!
        By the way, about "together" is not even funny.
        Well, as always, you have a set of phrases and questions for ... laughing
        1. cartridge
          cartridge 20 June 2013 12: 47
          35
          The Americans also understand the importance of close combat by equipping their F-22 and F-35 with guns, since in some cases only guns can be used to defeat an air enemy. Tan Yanshi said stealth and super-maneuverability are now the most important requirements for fighters.


          This is a reasonable point of view of an aviation specialist of high rank.
          And instead of specialists, we are faced with exactly the opposite nonsense by all sorts of self-proclaimed expert fraudsters from NGOs.
          So in a material published today on "VO" entitled "Financial Times about Russian aircraft and air defense systems" another impostor expert by the name of Pukhov (not an aviation specialist, but a humanitarian chatterbox from MGIMO) asserts the following: "the times of" classic "air battles with maneuvering In addition, over the past decades, Russian military aviation has significantly lagged behind American aircraft in terms of its characteristics and capabilities. " negative
          Compare the content of these two articles and answer the question, who is more competent in the topic: a Chinese aircraft designer or a Moscow talker-grantee? soldier
          1. cartridge
            cartridge 20 June 2013 12: 52
            +8
            Tang Yangshi responded that China’s rapid economic development requires equipping the armed forces with the most advanced weapons. “It would be a great blessing if the Su-35 goes into service with our military aircraft,” said the engineer.


            That would be a great blessing ...
            The Chinese said beautifully! A person understands what he is talking about!
            1. Tambov we ...
              Tambov we ... 20 June 2013 14: 38
              +4
              Yes, he understands ... But, Su-35, deja vu - it was like this - the whole world was delighted with the I-16s. And then - Me-109, our MiG-1, LaGG. The Great War ... It seems, indeed, the World is spinning in a spiral ... Pak FA, very similar to those MiGs and LaGGs ... And the war will also be similar ... Only, God forbid, in sacrifice ...
            2. vBR
              vBR 22 June 2013 19: 31
              0
              Something I strongly doubt that an official representative of the Chinese aircraft industry could express himself so pathetically. Anyway, to praise something foreign, and even as a weapon for the PLA. They buy - yes, they study - yes, but without tearful affection and snot. Journalists either translated badly, or "finished drawing"
          2. Constantine
            Constantine 20 June 2013 20: 36
            0
            It's more about the order. They gave him money and said that he would write smartly, or he was simply too superficial. On the whole, I don’t quite understand the situation when they abuse and elevate someone else’s. This, as it were, is not correct. For successes, first of all, your own, you need to rejoice, and to support and encourage in mistakes. Where this trend came from, I can’t judge, but I suspect that at one time it was artificially installed in the minds of the people, because this essentially contradicts common sense and the Russian code.
          3. Sinbad
            Sinbad 21 June 2013 12: 41
            +1
            It's time to make sure that these talkers "are responsible for the bazaar."
          4. aviamed90
            aviamed90 21 June 2013 13: 58
            0
            cartridge

            This site is also full of such "tacticians".
            Just a month ago, they almost ate me without salt about the statements about the need to conduct BVB using SPV.

            The reason for cannibalism is a phrase from Wikipedia (quote):

            "Close air combat is now a rare phenomenon, but, nevertheless, all modern fighters still have cannon armament for possible combat clashes. All fighters have an integrated cannon mount, with the exception of the F-35 variants B and C, which the gun is placed in a special hanging container. "

            Barely survived!
        2. YARY
          YARY 20 June 2013 12: 48
          -25 qualifying.
          "experienced" You're lying again, keep going!
          1. experienced
            experienced 20 June 2013 12: 55
            14
            Quote: Ardent
            "experienced" You lie again, continue!

            Well, here's how to argue with a person who responds to the arguments "he is stupid (Censorship does not allow)" laughing
            I poked you in your own comments, when you tried to prove that you care about the Russian language, you never distort it winked
            However, anyone who reads your comments will himself see it.
            It is immodest to think that you are so significant that you should be subjected to massive "persecution". And the point is to remove a little rating (shallow and stupid), to teach you something (too late) ... Consider further that "everyone goes to war with you (spread rot)"

            1. YARY
              YARY 20 June 2013 14: 40
              -10 qualifying.
              Seem in that conversation you were answered?
              The points.
              And at the expense of all sorts of "ratings", only my rating interests me and I sleep and see laughing
              And the rest is empty talk!
              1. Oleg14774
                Oleg14774 20 June 2013 18: 46
                +3
                Guys, what are you picking on !? Kakashi Americans! So you have the same look at some things, the rest of the views may be a little, well, not significantly different! Why argue !? We are not white-bellies!
      2. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 20 June 2013 12: 05
        11
        Quote: Ardent
        Are we selling to enemies and foes? And ourselves - without pants. Well, and? Give everything for the loot?

        If the contract for the supply to CHINA is signed, then the supply will begin no earlier than 3-4 years later! During this time, technologies will go ahead. And the acquisition of a sample does not mean using technology. You can use ideas, but the technology to "copy" is very, very difficult and requires incredible costs. There are many examples. We still cannot "copy" some of ENGLISH engine building technologies. Although "OH, as they wanted. And they also had many samples, but ...." So back in Soviet times, a plant for the production of turbine blades was built in UZHGOROD ... They even brought craftsmen from a similar enterprise in St. Petersburg, but they did not achieve the desired quality ... Therefore, the service life of our engines is almost an order of magnitude lower. This is also one of the factors behind India's abandonment of our aircraft. This is the first thing.
        Second! In those three or four years before the start of the Su-35 deliveries, we will have time to complete our tasks of equipping one of the air bases with an intermediate aircraft. No matter how good the Su-35 is, but the next one, the T-50, is better ... at this time of commissioning the latter, the Su-35 will cover this niche ... and then it will earn us "money "... since the T-50 (or whatever it will be christened) will not be exported for a long time ... And the proposed joint production of this model with India will not mean that absolutely everything will be done there, beyond the" hill "... A number of nodes with key technologies will be supplied from Russia.
        1. YARY
          YARY 20 June 2013 12: 51
          -5
          since the T-50 (or whatever it is called) will not go for export for a long time ...


          Are you 100% sure what will work?
          1. KazaK Bo
            KazaK Bo 20 June 2013 13: 11
            +9
            Quote: Ardent
            Are you 100% sure what will work?

            I am 101% sure ... There are such concepts - "critical technologies" ... For the same reasons, the F-22 RAPTER is not exported by amers!
          2. DEfindER
            DEfindER 20 June 2013 13: 17
            +4
            Quote: Ardent
            Are you 100% sure what will work?

            This would mean billions spent senselessly on its development and production, and for this he was created to have an advantage over the enemy. And the Su-35 Krasavtsev can be sold to your friends, but of course you would first have to get the first production PAK-FAs ..
            1. YARY
              YARY 20 June 2013 14: 58
              +8
              There is such a thing as "DEFENSE"
              There is such a thing as "TRADE"
              Together, these concepts read as "Defense Trade" (rearrange anyway)
              Those who trade in the defense of their country, even in the construction of thoughts, cannot be the guarantor of this defense.
              A soldier is not a fellow soldier.
              Alas, this is "genetics".
              You can not trade what can be used against you.
              All these truths are common.
              If I am mistaken in something, then give an example when SyShyShAshka bought our modern aircraft or air defense equipment, even through dummies!
              Or vice versa, the Soviet Union bought some kind of flying or rocket or just a means of communication!
              There is no such.
              But now TRADES ARE FURNISHED! It seems that all the innovations are created in the country, with only one goal, to sell.
              Do not arm your army faster and newer, but sell and "weld".
              Moreover, the reserve of the USSR is used, and the residual prestige of its own, and all this is only for the sake of one thing - "weld"!
              There were AIR ARMIES in the USSR, AND THIS WASN'T enough. Now there are none, remnants. Do you think friends and brothers around?
              ......I have no words.
              1. DEfindER
                DEfindER 20 June 2013 17: 09
                +2
                Quote: Ardent
                A soldier is not a fellow soldier.

                I agree with this thesis!
                But now, unfortunately, it’s the traders who rule everything, and you have to play by their rules, and now our country has little to offer the world except weapons and resources, and it’s impossible to trade at all, this will drive the country into crisis. In addition, people don’t see money from selling resources, they all remain in Western banks in their accounts, and it is unlikely that they will give them to us in full .. The example of Gaddafi is very instructive. Therefore, the defense industry will at least somehow saturate the economy with money.
                1. YARY
                  YARY 20 June 2013 17: 33
                  +4
                  You described everything correctly ....
                  Although all this is commonplace.
                  Just one question - Is it worth it to rejoice in the achievements of your country if these achievements are instantly not in the hands of the soldiers of this country, but in the hands of adversaries?
                2. aviamed90
                  aviamed90 21 June 2013 14: 18
                  -1
                  DEfindER

                  So you can sell the homeland in the pursuit of grace!
              2. Constantine
                Constantine 20 June 2013 20: 45
                0
                This is not very far-sighted. having completed a certain army, the one who has completed gets certain levers of pressure, such as refusal to supply spare parts. parts or ammunition in case of war with this and that. If you follow your logic and do not supply weapons for export, then they will be supplied by someone else, or rather the Western bloc, which, at a certain moment, may say "fas" and here already, the army, whose defense industry did not fully feed on that which was deprived of part of the money for R&D, etc., can simply be blown away in the moment. You have very narrow proposals, which, in the absence of balance, make you not just disagree with them, but go against them. This is logical, because if those who understand do not serve as a counterbalance to those who vehemently push for unweighted proposals, then as a result we will get an army of those who will carry such heresy without realizing that they are wrong. Until you learn to look at things from different angles, then you will continue to run into resistance and non-constructive dialogues.
                1. aviamed90
                  aviamed90 21 June 2013 14: 16
                  -1
                  Constantine

                  Tell it to the Chinese!

                  Which copy everything that moves and flies at cosmic speed.

                  I think they will not have problems with spare parts and service!

                  Nobody argues - it is necessary to supply (sell) weapons! But this must be done with respect to allied countries, or at least friendly countries.

                  Indeed, there are a lot of questions regarding the logic of the arms trade in the Russian Federation!
                  The main excuse is that "these countries cannot fight with us simply because of their geographic location."

                  Indonesia, India, Venezuela, Vietnam, Malaysia, Algeria, Iraq, Yemen, UAE.

                  But what about China, Greece (NATO) and Hungary (NATO)?

                  In response - silence.
                  1. Constantine
                    Constantine 21 June 2013 14: 50
                    0
                    The Chinese are not able to jump above their heads. Many high-tech components and equipment they can not yet copy. An example is modern engines from dryers. The fact that Chinese planes look like ours does not mean that they fly the same way, they shoot the same way and see the same way. No need to judge by a wrapper without tasting sweets. At the moment, the filling in sweets is not as good as it might seem.

                    China will not fight with us. As if someone and whom did not inspire this heresy. The Chinese are not stupid people and are well aware that by removing the nuclear counterbalance to the states, they will be devoured and not choked, and given that after the war they will be exhausted, at least, and as a maximum, China, as a state, will no longer exist.

                    The Greeks do not need a war with Russia, not only because they will not pull it financially for another 150 years, but because the Greeks and I have the same religion, and here and there the people are quite religious in the moment.

                    Hungary is similar, but there they simply have no chance. In the war for survival, all methods will be used and the consequences will be disastrous. Many people just need to play Batla and Duty Free less. In the long run, obsessive ideas and unclear conclusions can lead to dangerous adventurism, which is not peculiar to Russia, and, accordingly, failed with a high degree of probability.
                    1. aviamed90
                      aviamed90 21 June 2013 15: 11
                      -1
                      Constantine

                      You are a very optimistic person!

                      I wish you become a realist!

                      Who told you that China is not preparing for war? Chinese? Perhaps that is why they are arming their army with all the latest (albeit with a controversial quality) that they will find in the world? And they will bring quality to condition - do not hesitate! The Chinese are a very hardworking people.

                      Hungary and Greece are NATO members. And that's it.
                      With whom the senior "comrades" will order them to fight, so they will! And whether they need a war or not - nobody is interested! Remember Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan.
                      These countries were present there and took a feasible part.
                      1. Constantine
                        Constantine 21 June 2013 16: 29
                        0
                        After the above, we just have nothing to discuss. This is not objective and rather looks like a retransmission of the totality of other people's opinions, rather than an objective assessment of all the pros and cons.
                      2. aviamed90
                        aviamed90 21 June 2013 18: 05
                        -1
                        Constantin

                        Of course there is nothing to discuss - I agree. You are just too lazy to analyze the facts and draw conclusions.

                        By the way, where did you see my "other people's opinions"? How is this expressed?
                      3. Constantine
                        Constantine 21 June 2013 19: 06
                        0
                        If my opinion does not coincide with yours, then this does not mean that your opinion is correct, but mine is not.
                      4. aviamed90
                        aviamed90 22 June 2013 18: 05
                        0
                        Constantin


                        If you state it - well, justify it!

                        Opinion is supported by the application of facts, their analysis and conclusions!

                        And not the position - "horn to the wall"! For this ego forum exists.
        2. serg. 555
          serg. 555 21 June 2013 09: 29
          0
          They bought the S-300 USA, like from Belarus.
          1. Constantine
            Constantine 21 June 2013 12: 59
            0
            Lukashenko would not have sold the S-300 to the Americans for one simple reason. He hates them so fiercely that even a holey boot won't sell them. They humiliate him constantly, giving him the nickname "the last dictator of Europe", as well as put a spoke in the wheel at any opportunity.

            I don’t know in which yellow newspaper you read this, but the Martians landed in Syria and began to fight for Assad, I would rather believe) Yes, and then, Belarus itself had strained air defense, which led to what they were waiting for 4 S-300 divisions in 2014.
        3. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 21 June 2013 12: 13
          +1
          Quote: Ardent
          Do not arm your army faster and newer


          Yes, arm today - tomorrow the arms are out of date! The rapid run of engineering! Drawings on a computer in 100 are done faster! 10 times faster from idea to sample! Need to try to stop progress?

          And the same Chinese, if we do not sell, will buy from the same striped!
          And our developers will sit at computers without realizing their ideas! Who won?
    2. Constantine
      Constantine 20 June 2013 20: 38
      0
      And here it is not necessary to be a Pythia.
  2. fzr1000
    fzr1000 20 June 2013 13: 33
    0
    Well, if so.
  3. ale-x
    ale-x 20 June 2013 14: 12
    0
    I want to believe that all of you said reality.
  • nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 21 June 2013 10: 47
    0
    Quote: Ardent
    WE SELL THAT WHAT AT THEIR CATS WOULD LIKE!


    I apologize!

    And what if there is nothing more to sell? We sell so that the future life of the enterprise does not die out. And there were grandmas for development, for new solutions for new developments.

    Do we have = TOMORROW WAR?

    Are more advanced MODELS not possible?

    Probably the "responsible comrades" are sure that they can do even better! winked
    1. Constantine
      Constantine 21 June 2013 13: 01
      +1
      Understand that not everyone is able to look beyond the horizon and consider the situation not biased from different angles. It has always been and will be.
  • Alexei
    Alexei 20 June 2013 11: 56
    +2
    Quote: seasoned
    Of course he pleases them ...

    Let it please. Yes, let everyone know that the friends of Russia will get the best weapons. I understand that these friends are not friends at all, but partners at the moment. And politics, as everyone knows, depends on real-time circumstances. And even more so, our people are unlikely to sell the best version of this aircraft ... And even with it some old stuff is thrown up to the heap as usual. In short, the aviation industry of Russia, grow and bloom.
  • Edward72
    Edward72 20 June 2013 17: 12
    -4
    At the moment, it’s better to expand the contract by 180 degrees, do not give a damn about the money, we need this car ourselves. Or give them a rush and from which everyone spits, but not technology.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 20 June 2013 18: 37
      +1
      Why is it from Kalash and TT all spit ??? did not understand explain.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 20 June 2013 18: 31
    -1
    I wanted to write the same thing. not happy with the sale. Narrow-eyed devils we can swear what to do.
  • Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 20 June 2013 10: 05
    +7
    "It would be a great blessing if the Su-35 goes into service with our military aviation," said the engineer. "

    Who would doubt that.
    1. Tarpon
      Tarpon 20 June 2013 11: 38
      +2
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "It would be a great blessing if the Su-35 goes into service with our military aviation," said the engineer. "

      Who would doubt that.

      They are probably already impatient to disassemble the Su-35.
      1. Quiet
        Quiet 20 June 2013 12: 05
        +5
        They are probably already impatient to disassemble the Su-35.

        ... only without a file, a sledgehammer and a perfect Russian mat will not be collected back !!! belay
        1. adg76
          adg76 20 June 2013 12: 20
          +2
          Glue all the details so that it would be possible to disassemble only the grinder))
        2. ale-x
          ale-x 20 June 2013 14: 14
          0
          As in a joke about how a submarine was assembled according to the drawings, but it turned out to be a steam locomotive. On the last page of the explanations for the drawings - finalize the finished product with a file)))))
      2. andrejwz
        andrejwz 20 June 2013 14: 40
        0
        Quote: Tarpon
        They are probably already impatient to disassemble the Su-35.

        Let them take it apart. On re-assembly, we will earn more.
      3. Mairos
        Mairos 20 June 2013 17: 31
        0
        of course they will disassemble and copy it, changing something a little. And they will show the world "a unique Chinese fighter with outstanding performance"
        1. Constantine
          Constantine 20 June 2013 20: 55
          0
          They can get a similar glider, and so on. disassembled the Su-27, but the fact that they will be able to reproduce engines and other high-tech components and devices is a big question. They can’t copy a generation below in any way, and therefore they tried to buy engines without airplanes from us, but they broke off. I agree that the Chinese ability to copy should not be underestimated, but their capabilities should not be overestimated either.
    2. Quiet
      Quiet 20 June 2013 11: 46
      +1
      F-22A’s minimum horizontal radius of 360 degrees at low altitude is 750 feet, or 229 meters

      Even this is a lot !!! For them, the main thing is speed - to carry away legs faster if they meet the SU-35 !!!! belay am laughing
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 20 June 2013 10: 06
    +7
    Yes, he went to ..opu! Let him receive pleasure from another; the moth is yellow.
    1. Airman
      Airman 20 June 2013 10: 12
      10
      Quote: fzr1000
      Yes, he went to ..opu! Let him receive pleasure from another; the moth is yellow.


      He will go, but where to send those who sell the latest equipment to them. I think Kolyma should seem paradise to them.
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 20 June 2013 10: 19
        +1
        I do not know. They would explain their logic once and for all above. It is clear that they will not tell the whole truth, well, at least they said something b.
        1. Airman
          Airman 20 June 2013 11: 41
          +1
          Quote: fzr1000
          I do not know. They would explain their logic once and for all above. It is clear that they will not tell the whole truth, well, at least they said something b.


          And the logic is simple-they are all upstairs there, and they are for ordinary people ....... The main thing is for them, their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren to live well, and in which country? - where the curve will take.
          1. Quiet
            Quiet 20 June 2013 11: 50
            +1
            F-22A’s minimum horizontal radius of 360 degrees at low altitude is 750 feet, or 229 meters

            They are called parasites all over the world ... Therefore, the first thing they did was to destroy the only dust factory in the USSR !!!! belay angry lol laughing wassat
        2. TSOOBER
          TSOOBER 20 June 2013 17: 56
          0
          Maybe that's why - Rosneft has prepared a contract with China for $ 60 billion. Link: http: //www.warandpeace.ru/ru/news/view/81109/
        3. Revolver
          Revolver 20 June 2013 18: 48
          +1
          Quote: fzr1000
          It is clear that they will not tell the whole truth


          American joke (who said that they have whole dumb humor?):

          Most people lie after fishing, during the war, and before the election.

          And for a politician, if he is a real politician, the state "before the elections" is permanent.
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  • Waroc
    Waroc 20 June 2013 10: 08
    +3
    Obviously, the Chinese can't wait to get samples for copying !!!
  • svp67
    svp67 20 June 2013 10: 12
    +7
    Fighter Su-35 abolished the term "turning radius" - Chinese engineer
    What is it, he is still able to abolish the enemy Air Force ...
    1. Airman
      Airman 20 June 2013 11: 49
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Fighter Su-35 abolished the term "turning radius" - Chinese engineer
      What is it, he is still able to abolish the enemy Air Force ...


      I do not envy those against whom he will be used. Mastery is mastery, but against SU-27 it is against him ...... I hardly believe in friendly relations with China, I immediately remember Damansky, Zhalanashkol ..
  • Komodo
    Komodo 20 June 2013 10: 15
    +4
    After such news, sometimes hands drop.
    But yesterday they proved to me that Chinese material science is in the bud,
    and a design engineer, researchers are not genetically.
    That is, they can of course copy, without preserving the quality of the original of course,
    but to come up with something new genome does not allow.
    And even if they have SU-35
    they cannot develop it.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 20 June 2013 10: 18
      +7
      Well, smartphones, high-speed trains and electric cars started to come out pretty well. Roulette turns out if you hope for "can - can not".
      1. Komodo
        Komodo 20 June 2013 10: 27
        +3
        Quote: fzr1000
        Roulette turns out if you hope for "can - can not".

        I HAVE ALREADY BEARED to seek excuses for such actions of the authorities.
        sad Fair.
        1. YARY
          YARY 20 June 2013 11: 16
          0
          Why are you dear Roma looking for? Yes, even before embarrassment?
          2X2 is always 4- so fold it and make a conclusion!
          1. Komodo
            Komodo 20 June 2013 11: 28
            +1
            Quote: Ardent
            Why are you dear Roma looking for?

            There is always hope that they know what they are doing. hi
      2. _Forgiven_
        _Forgiven_ 20 June 2013 11: 50
        +3
        In principle, I agree, if they give the planes to the old Chinese monk, they will get slag naturally. But if they take it seriously, then something remotely similar to Russian drying can and will succeed.
        In general, I don’t understand the leadership policy - you can count them on your fingers in the arsenal of these vehicles, but they sell them to Tikayis what
    2. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 20 June 2013 12: 21
      +3
      Quote: Komodo
      And even if they have an SU-35, they cannot develop it.

      Absolutely right! "To copy" technologies ... not everyone is given! How high in the technical plan GERMANY was in the same 40-41 years, but when it received the first samples of T-34 tanks, and how it did not want to have the same better tank, but did not dare to start its production ... Their calculations took at least 3-4 years ... But the then technology of tank production and the current technology of aircraft production ... these are, well, very, very, distant levels of development of science, primarily fundamental sections, and technology!
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 20 June 2013 10: 20
    +3
    "... This fighter uses technologies that can be used in the creation of the next generation of Chinese aircraft ..." ----------------------, from here please in more detail belay
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 20 June 2013 10: 47
      +1
      What is surprising? The Chinese should suddenly remember copyright and buy 100500 Su 35 from us and only after 10 years ask permission to start their own production? Everything will be as always, and the hope is only of their backwardness in materials science and of God (or maybe).
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 20 June 2013 17: 29
        0
        Quote: fzr1000
        What is surprising?
        It’s surprising that nothing surprises you. Where is the information that China uses our technologies in this project? Where infa is wrong. First, a simple people feed that we will sell the product, and then Tan Yanshi is talking about technology .
        Quote: fzr1000
        What is surprising?
        So it will be surprising if they reckoned with us, as with suckers --- why again on the same rake, and even with a shout: Hurray, we will break it! 1.) Where is the "bazaar" about technology transfer2.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 20 June 2013 17: 52
          +1
          You yourself asked yourself and answered.
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 20 June 2013 17: 59
            0
            Quote: fzr1000
            You yourself asked yourself and answered.
            At first I sorted it out, however, please call a friend, but now I understand everything and I have no question for you. I read and understood my thought, we think in the same way. Excuse me, friend hi
  • Sochi
    Sochi 20 June 2013 10: 51
    +4
    Maybe ours ... Here, they wouldn’t bother them, they would have done a lot of things so that the whole world would be awesome.
  • azanov
    azanov 20 June 2013 11: 04
    0
    Naturally, no one will sell the SU-35 to the Chinese in a minimal batch (everyone understands that it will be for copying). They will agree on a substantial amount, and even then it will be an export option.
  • sys-1985
    sys-1985 20 June 2013 11: 09
    0
    Let's hope .. since it’s so quickly prepared for sale, it means only flowers .. berries will go to the army. Otherwise, it is not possible to understand and explain such behavior.
    1. Airman
      Airman 20 June 2013 11: 57
      0
      Quote: sys-1985
      Let's hope .. since it’s so quickly prepared for sale, it means only flowers .. berries will go to the army. Otherwise, it is not possible to understand and explain such behavior.

      No, the berries will go there (24) cars, for them we will get billion "pieces of paper", and our Air Force will be completed according to the leftover principle (flowers).
  • Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 20 June 2013 11: 21
    0
    I think that while the Su-35S will be produced and sold, during this time the T-50 will be brought to mind with this money and its release in circulation will begin.
    1. Samminosh
      Samminosh 20 June 2013 11: 38
      +2
      T-50 will not be the main Russian fighter
      1. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 20 June 2013 12: 40
        +1
        Quote: Samminosh
        T-50 will not be the main Russian fighter

        He, the T-50, like the Su-27, will be the platform for the development of a new generation of aircraft with more specific tasks .. How many new types of aircraft the Su-27 has given ... It will be the same with the T-50!
    2. Airman
      Airman 20 June 2013 12: 04
      +1
      Quote: Black Colonel
      I think that while the Su-35S will be produced and sold, during this time the T-50 will be brought to mind with this money and its release in circulation will begin.


      You need to listen to Poghosyan very carefully. THIS PACK FA will be supplied with the first type of engine, and the second type of engine is NOT yet, and it is the main one for this machine. So, it’s still a long time before the normal T-50.
      1. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 20 June 2013 12: 30
        +1
        Quote: Povshnik
        So before the normal T-50 for a long time.

        Just as much as you need to start deliveries under the contract ...
  • slipped
    slipped 20 June 2013 11: 33
    +1
    First, China is selling the EXPORT option with deliberately underestimated characteristics (this is the policy of any country when selling its weapons). In addition, the copyright protection mechanism this time is very tough.
    The second, the SU-35S, is a transitional vehicle. Stand for testing fifth generation technologies. The PAK FA will be an order of magnitude more interesting and do not forget that China is a "probable enemy" for India.
    1. not good
      not good 20 June 2013 18: 36
      0
      China is a potential adversary for us (doesn’t he draw the floor of Russia on his maps), but we don’t seem to have common borders with India yet. Isn’t it better to arm yourself good, then India, and China can be left over as a residual .
  • Bezarius
    Bezarius 20 June 2013 11: 46
    0
    For me, it is so necessary to ban the export of technology and weapons of the current generation. But unfortunately this is not possible, since the domestic market is not able to provide normal demand.
    1. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 20 June 2013 12: 33
      +1
      Quote: Bezarius
      For me, it is so necessary to ban the export of technology and weapons of the current generation.

      ..and there is such a list of critical technologies ... we are not even informed about many in open press ...
  • viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 20 June 2013 12: 03
    +2
    slipped - ... First - China is selling an EXPORT version with deliberately underestimated characteristics ... are you quite serious ??? Your statement is more suitable for deliveries to our army over the past 10-15 years. For the sake of Hochma, take an interest in whom the same shells were put in the first place .... Indians Dryers with what equipment were delivered and are delivering well, etc., etc. We would have such a massive foreign circumcision with konduchnikami, thermal imagers, avionics and even hell knows what our army would certainly smile at 32 fangs. In my mind, chichas in this direction, the blockages are sorted out after the well-known _ZA_СРа_н_ЦЕВ_, collecting and arranging the remaining (that is, creating a capable foundation and, God forbid, for the last time), well, eliminating problems in priority life areas because there is nowhere to roll further and no one will give.
    1. slipped
      slipped 20 June 2013 12: 16
      +1
      here is a review on the topic http://www.arms-expo.ru/049057052048124050055048051051.html, The shells differed in the chassis - at the request of the customer (who paid for everything by the way), the software of the combat modules was cut. The avionics software of Indian dryers is also localized, the difference is the Brahmos rocket (joint development). I don’t presume to judge which Onyx or Bramos is better, because I don’t know the performance characteristics of Onyx, but Yakhont will be worse.
  • Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 20 June 2013 12: 04
    0
    Of course, you can look at the Chinese at him, only with your eyes, not with your hands.
  • Sochi
    Sochi 20 June 2013 12: 12
    +2
    Quote: _Forgiven_
    In general, I don’t understand the leadership policy - you can count them on your fingers in the arsenal of these vehicles, but they sell them to Tikayis
    As I understand it, these are machines with extraordinary capabilities, and they are intended for aces ... the average combat pilot will not be able to use its full potential. Therefore, a lot of such aircraft are not required. And let the Chinese buy, they are not rich in identity with the aces, so they spend money, but in principle receive the SU-27 ... I think so.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 21 June 2013 14: 31
      -1
      Sochi

      At the moment - yes, most likely, he will not be able, judging by the level of training!
      And who prevents the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to bring the level of training of an "average combat pilot" to the required level?
      Or is it a super task? Or does military reform not provide for this?

      That is why our "smart" Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has disbanded in batches military flight schools and academies and now offers to train military pilots at military departments in civilian universities.
      1. Constantine
        Constantine 21 June 2013 15: 06
        -1
        Your data is out of date. With the advent of Shoigu, specialized schools return to the control of those who train specialists there for themselves. Flight schools - the Air Force, paratrooper officers are trained by paratroopers, sailors, sailors, etc.
        1. aviamed90
          aviamed90 21 June 2013 15: 18
          0
          Constantine

          Please count - how many military flight schools and academies are left in our country! And you will be surprised!

          And most importantly - how many pilots do they release?
          1. aviamed90
            aviamed90 21 June 2013 15: 47
            0
            Constantine


            “As a result, the total number of military universities decreased from 64 to 17, that is, almost fourfold. Now the training of officers of the Russian army is carried out in three military training centers of the Armed Forces, 11 military academies, three military universities. There are 28 universities and Research Institute. " (Interfax, 07.12.12)

            How many of them train military pilots? And how many of these military pilots are fighters?
            1. Constantine
              Constantine 21 June 2013 16: 32
              0
              You do not take into account that changes are taking place. In your MO, statistically and since the time of Serdyukov has not suffered changes. At the moment, the Defense Ministry is actively engaged in Shoigu and Rogozin in which, as patriots and experts in their field, I am sure. I saw your opinion, I do not agree with him.
              1. aviamed90
                aviamed90 21 June 2013 18: 01
                0
                Constantine

                Do you think that it is possible to restore the VVUZ system in six months?

                Whatever the positive changes, this is impossible. This will take more than a dozen years.

                In addition, do you think that Shoigu is a professional military man and specialist in military affairs? Or Rogozin?
                Read their biographies! Maybe they are quite adequate people and sincerely wish to do their work for the good of the country, but this is not enough.

                So, while there are no real results, it’s too early to talk about positive changes and a turning point in this mess.

                So let's wait for them!
  • slipped
    slipped 20 June 2013 12: 21
    +1
    Quote: Sochi
    I think so


    Wrongly think, an ordinary "combatant" pilot will be able to use its full potential. "Supermaneuverability" is implemented at the level of software and hardware, this is for BVB. The DVB also has very good weapons. :)
  • armandos
    armandos 20 June 2013 12: 29
    +1
    As I understand it, any weapon is divided into an export version for its own market. Depending on the armament, be it airplanes, helicopters, tanks, etc., and depending on the advanced technologies used, the equipment for export can differ significantly from the internal market. In this case, I do not think that shipments of the Su-35 to China could significantly undermine the balance of power. While the Chinese make a deal, until they overtake it, until they sort it out, until they understand what the chip is, while they adapt to their needs, while they adjust the release ... more than one year will pass. As one of the users correctly noted, the money received from the sale of drying can be improved and put on stream T-50 at an accelerated pace, without forgetting to equip your army with dryers, which will be an order of magnitude higher than those sold to the Chinese. So I think nothing bad is happening, normal business environment. But corruption in the Moscow Region, it is much more undermines the defense power of Russia than a contract with the Chinese.
    1. slipped
      slipped 20 June 2013 12: 36
      +1
      The glider of the Su-35th has already been successfully cloned by the Chinese, the difference is in equipment and engines, and here the Chinese are very bad, if they can still create their domestic counterparts in avionics, then they cannot do motor resources and motor technologies, therefore engines they are buying so far.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 20 June 2013 13: 14
        +1
        Quote: slipped
        therefore they buy engines until then.

        Engines are bought under replacement for the old Su-27s. They put Chinese on their new ones. They need an engine for J-20.
    2. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 20 June 2013 13: 06
      +2
      Quote: armandos
      As I understand it, any weapon is divided into an export version for its own market.

      Certainly. When our "team" arrived in one of the small countries, our aces and experts in the S-125 air defense missile system could not immediately figure out how to start setting up combat parameters ... there are different frequencies, waveguides, settings and parameters were completely different. Until they brought up the service sheets for this sample, they could not do anything significant on the air defense system ...
  • Deniska
    Deniska 20 June 2013 12: 33
    +1
    "This fighter uses technologies that could be used to create the next generation of Chinese aircraft." ---- I think everyone knows what he means. ; (What are the Chinese "ghouls" ...
  • Sochi
    Sochi 20 June 2013 12: 35
    0
    Quote: slipped
    Wrongly think, an ordinary "combatant" pilot can use its full potential.
    The fact is that overload on such maneuvers will not withstand any pilot, but only ace. Weapons for DVB are exactly the same easily implemented on previous versions (which are unlike cheaper). The main feature of this machine is super-maneuverable, it is the BVB and avoiding missile attack (and it costs a lot of money). So, for the average pilot, the advantage is only from the thought that his car is cool ...
    1. evil hamster
      evil hamster 20 June 2013 21: 43
      +1
      Talk nonsense. for the average pilot, an advantage in everything from radar, radar and the range of weapons to a developed defense system, engines with more traction, etc. Regarding the Su-27 - this is a huge step forward in all aspects, even in aerodynamics there are changes. And you are mistaken about overloads, their portability depends solely on the individual characteristics of the body, but not on the rank and official salary.
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 21 June 2013 14: 44
        0
        evil hamster

        Average"?

        But what kind of pilot training do you call "average" according to KBP IA exercises?

        A young pilot in a combat regiment, even after commissioning after school, does not use cabin fittings 100% (he does not have practical skills). This is what KBP is for!

        So the answer depends on what you mean by average.
  • slipped
    slipped 20 June 2013 12: 42
    +1
    Quote: Sochi
    Quote: slipped
    Wrongly think, an ordinary "combatant" pilot can use its full potential.
    The fact is that overload on such maneuvers will not withstand any pilot, but only ace. Weapons for DVB are exactly the same easily implemented on previous versions (which are unlike cheaper). The main feature of this machine is super-maneuverable, it is the BVB and avoiding missile attack (and it costs a lot of money). So, for the average pilot, the advantage is only from the thought that his car is cool ...


    Wrong again :) Let's just say that the "admission" of pilots to control this aircraft must be "degenerated" :) The weapons of the DVB are strictly tied to the operating conditions of the radar, and what kind of airborne it is you know.
  • waisson
    waisson 20 June 2013 12: 44
    +2
    Tang Yangshi responded that China’s rapid economic development requires equipping the armed forces with the most advanced weapons. “It would be a great blessing if the Su-35 goes into service with our military aircraft,” said the engineer.
    when will we begin to think so
  • Sochi
    Sochi 20 June 2013 12: 59
    +2
    Quote: slipped
    You are wrong again :) Let's just say that the "admission" of pilots to control this aircraft must be "degenerated"

    That is, the average pilot will not sit down at the control stick of this aircraft, and they are the majority of aviation ... In any country, fighting aviation with aces is stressful, it’s expensive to prepare them, and not every trained person becomes one. But the radar does not depend on the glider, can it be put on any other plane, even on a transporter - is it just the point?
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 20 June 2013 13: 12
      0
      Here you can see the fools were that the plane with an empty weight of 18 tons was made. It was necessary to rivet the "gripen" and then try for a long time to stick a hefty radar station with a 400 km range into it.
    2. evil hamster
      evil hamster 20 June 2013 21: 48
      +1
      Why not sit down? Ace for good is born only in war, air war, so yes with aces have been straining in recent years.
      Quote: Sochi
      A radar does not depend on the glider

      What are you? try Ibris in Yak130 to twist, it will be fun.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 20 June 2013 13: 12
    +1
    Well, the Chinese said everything correctly. The Su-35 flies beautifully, and it uses the technologies (or rather the engine) that China needs.
  • Vtel
    Vtel 20 June 2013 13: 15
    +1
    To the question "what is the significance of the Su-35 for China?" Tang Yangshi responded that China’s rapid economic development requires equipping the armed forces with the most advanced weapons. “It would be a great blessing if the Su-35 goes into service with our military aircraft,” said the engineer.

    The Chinese will hit the nail right on the head, and that would be the most advanced weapon in the army for us — that would be a great blessing for us too.
  • Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 20 June 2013 13: 17
    0
    Looking at the T-50, he generally chokes with saliva!
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 20 June 2013 13: 18
    -1
    The salon will end, but the Chinese will not receive anything. Maybe then they will agree on something, but until 2015, no one would even scratch themselves on export deliveries, since there is nowhere to produce them.
  • Horn
    Horn 20 June 2013 13: 20
    +2
    The Chinese is beautiful! A man said - a man did! I have no doubt that in the Middle Kingdom they will not limit themselves to chatter, but they will really make analogues of the Su-35.
  • Diviz
    Diviz 20 June 2013 13: 28
    0
    Laughter through tears. from the forest from the mountains showed a man su35s.
  • Sochi
    Sochi 20 June 2013 13: 53
    +1
    Quote: Avenger711
    Here you can see the fools were that the plane with an empty weight of 18 tons was made. It was necessary to rivet the "gripen" and then try for a long time to stick a hefty radar station with a 400 km range into it.
    No, not fools, the SU-35 is not an easy front-line fighter, it needs to hang in the air for a long time ... But because of this size, it also meant that this radar can be put on any other SU of the previous generation, and if desired, even on transporters ...
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 20 June 2013 14: 38
      0
      Well, stick on the MiG-29. If you can. Size is not only a large proportion of fuel, it is also more equipment and less overall restrictions.
    2. evil hamster
      evil hamster 20 June 2013 21: 56
      +1
      Of course you can, for this you just need to change the geometry of the fuselage, the entire onboard power supply, put the generators on the engines more powerful, well, so that he could fly more powerful engines at the same time, well, it's just a bit to change the power structure of the center plan, to cut down the air intake more nothing.
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 21 June 2013 01: 18
        +1
        And he will turn into a Su-35.
  • radio operator
    radio operator 20 June 2013 14: 03
    +1
    Yes, something the Chinese are tearing their planes from our cars. And this is an indicator of combat readiness, survivability and reliability.
    It is interesting that representatives of Boeing or Lockheed Martin will write on this device?
    But in general - a very beautiful plane!
    The hidden energy is felt in him, like a cheetah has an elegantly predatory profile.
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/550/exwg144.jpg
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 20 June 2013 17: 32
      0
      Well, in fact, the glider of all dryers, starting from 27, is the same, all the potential is hidden inside ... I wonder, how did the Su-37 differ from the Su-35s? Someone may be aware ???
      1. evil hamster
        evil hamster 20 June 2013 22: 17
        +1
        In general, despite the similarity, the different branches of T10 are pretty decently different from each other.
        Quote: silver_roman
        I wonder how the su-37 was different from the su-35s?

        You can read in pedagogy in detail there quite adequately written. In short: Su-37 is one of the first Su35 / Su27M / T10M, with engines with UVT, there was 1 instance of the board 711 - crashed. Structurally - the same Su27m - PGO, brake flap, etc. Su35S / BM - the current plane has its pedigree from pure Su-27S - roughly speaking, it is Su27 using all the experience and best practices of the entire series over the past 20 years, a kind of Su27 on steroids. The glider is closest to the original.
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 21 June 2013 11: 44
          0
          read, compared approximately. In general, the su-35s is a more advanced aircraft than the su-37. the first engine is more powerful, and the passive phased array is standing. Although this is all logical: the Su-37 was designed in '93, so that 20 years have passed, the technology did not stand still.
  • Tatb
    Tatb 20 June 2013 15: 30
    0
    It would be a great blessing if the Su-35 goes into service with our military aircraft, ”said the engineer. With patience, fumbling a screwdriver in your pocket! repeat
  • Sochi
    Sochi 20 June 2013 16: 12
    0
    Quote: Avenger711
    Well, stick on the MiG-29. If you can.

    Where was my suggestion to stick on a migrant? It is said - on the previous models, a moment to the previous in no way ...
    1. TSOOBER
      TSOOBER 20 June 2013 17: 07
      0
      Dear "Sochi" - suppose you decided to stick a 400 km radar on the previous version of Su:
      1- different weight means redistribution of weights on the plane + reprogramming of the computer "assistant"!
      2- power supply, which means more powerful generators (respectively weight and dimensions) + replacement of all wiring with more powerful (again weight)
      3- dimensions - respectively alteration of the glider and everything afterwards (weight, weight distribution)
      and after a long, dedicated work we get the SU -35, something like that!
      1. Sochi
        Sochi 20 June 2013 17: 39
        0
        There is such a thing as modernization, which is inevitable under certain conditions, so that if necessary they will be installed, and the associated problems will be solved. How and how? that is, design bureau and specialists in them ... Is it possible to install Irbis on previously issued Su-27 aircraft in the process of their modernization?
        http://paralay.com/bm.html-цитата:Такой вариант проработан в рамках программы Су-27СМ2. По сути, это та комплектация РЛСУ, которая сейчас проходит испытания на летающей лаборатории с киловаттным передатчиком (применить передатчик мощностью 5 кВт на ранее выпущенных Су-27 не позволяет энергетика самолета). Поэтому тот вариант «Ирбиса», что стоит сейчас на летающей лаборатории — это практически готовый комплект для модернизации строевых самолетов. Однако, по всей видимости из-за финансовых соображений, было принято решение развивать модернизацию Су-27СМ, не меняя тип РЛС, а лишь наращивая ее возможности - вводя новые режимы, обеспечивая применение новых образцов вооружения и т.д.
        1. TSOOBER
          TSOOBER 20 June 2013 17: 53
          0
          And what is the SU-35? This is the deep modernization of the SU-27!
          1. Sochi
            Sochi 21 June 2013 09: 08
            0
            Digging deeper - this is the deepest modernization of the Wright brothers' aircraft ...
      2. Avenger711
        Avenger711 21 June 2013 01: 20
        0
        And this is called the equation of existence of the aircraft.
  • individual
    individual 20 June 2013 16: 54
    0
    I put plus publications about the Su-35, and then thought about the consequences of supplying a miracle of technology to China, or "bless", as their engineer Tang Yanshi said.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 20 June 2013 17: 01
    0
    That's what always bothered me in stealth systems. As long as it flies tightly battened down like that to here. But it just opened the hatches for launching missiles and right there they all see it. Even the old 60s air defense systems. for some reason, the Americans don’t even speak about the development of aviation stealth missiles for aerial combat. Well, what’s the advantage, even if the plane itself is supposedly invisible, launched from a long distance (thereby unmasking itself) with conventional missiles, the pilot has a lot of time for a missile defense maneuver. And the farther the launch, the more this time. In short, the bottom line is all the same classic rapprochement to the line of sight, where these stealth bells and whistles are no longer crucial. And maneuvering and the power of cannon weapons decides. request
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 20 June 2013 18: 43
      -1
      Stealth, stealth, already at the word stealth blev .. it pulls, there is no stele, there are billions of dollars spent and a lot of bullshit. Pvolniki laugh.
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 20 June 2013 18: 00
    0
    [i] [/ iFighter Su-35 abolished the term "turning radius" - Chinese and
    engineer] I would be glad if he said that the su-35 abolished all the air forces of the world for the impossibility of resistance to this machine! And so, well done!
  • Skifo
    Skifo 20 June 2013 18: 18
    0
    By the way, STELS are visible in the meter wavelength range and we are armed with such radars. Amerikosy abandoned the meter range radar in favor of decimeters and centimeters by choosing mobility and their relatively low cost ... Here the Americans do not see their STELS, but we see them))
    1. serg. 555
      serg. 555 21 June 2013 09: 48
      0
      The old P-35 and "Van" radars could see perfectly well even flocks of birds
  • ed65b
    ed65b 20 June 2013 18: 40
    -1
    The engine, that's what the Chinas need, I drool and I don’t have mine. and will not be soon. So sleep well will not pass the adversary cordons.
  • darksoul
    darksoul 20 June 2013 21: 47
    -2
    Of course, the Chinese engineer is satisfied, soon they will ship 24 pieces, the most interesting thing is that the head of the dry ... Mikhail Poghosyan stated in Lebourg that they had fulfilled orders before the domestic customer and can now look towards export. Question Pogosyan would like to ask what they performed there? how many Su-35s do we have? 1 or 2 or maybe 3 pieces? Such equipment must be supplied only by its own in order to provide an advantage over a probable opponent, and not vice versa
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 21 June 2013 07: 35
    0
    No comment.
    "The engineer said that he had 'enjoyed watching the flight of the Su-35S' ... This fighter uses technologies that could be used to create the next generation of Chinese aircraft."