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St. Petersburg independent studio under the direction of Andrei Shalopy making a film about the feat 28 Panfilov

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Cinema is shot without the support of state funds and without the participation of engaged directors, which means that the cinema is made with the greatest respect for the feat of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers and is not influenced by agents of state and commercial structures.


Until now, all the work on the film was done by all participants for their own money.

At the moment, the preproduction is completed - it means the script is ready, the cost estimate and the filming plan are made, locations (filming locations) are found, storyboards of the plans for episodes, etc. are drawn.

The teaser video was also shot and mounted, which was published on YouTube, Vkontakte and on a number of sites dedicated to news cinematography
What will be removed and how you can learn from our group Vkontakte. There you can also ask questions and get answers to them directly from Andrei, who is the scriptwriter, director and producer of the project.

The full budget of the film will be 60 million rubles.

Since this amount is quite significant, it was decided to split it into smaller amounts and collect funds in parts.

Movie synopsis

In the autumn of 1941, German units standing near Volokolamsk were separated from Moscow, some two hours along the highway. However, on this highway was the 316-I Infantry Division, under the command of General I.V. Panfilov. This commander had such high prestige among the personnel that the fighters of the division called themselves Panfilov members. A division - Panfilov.

316-I proved to be so battle-worthy and successful military unit that 17 November 41-th year acquired the status of the guard and became the 8-th Guards. It so happened that the next day General Panfilov died, but the division received the right to retain his name in its name. This honor in the Soviet Army received, just one more division - 25 Guards, named after Chapaev.
So, the 16 of November (two days before the death of the general) the 4 company of the 2 battalion of the 1075 regiment of the Panfilov division accepted the battle, which was destined to become a legend of the Great Patriotic War.

St. Petersburg independent studio under the direction of Andrei Shalopy making a film about the feat 28 Panfilov

In this battle, the 28 Panfilovs, entrenched near the Dubosekovo junction, stood in the way of the German tank battalion ... And stopped him.


The feat of 28-i Panfilov heroes became one of the brightest symbols of the battle for Moscow.
The words of political instructor Klochkov - “Great Russia, but nowhere to retreat. Behind Moscow "could be found in almost every war museum.


In Kazakhstan, in the homeland of the heroes, they erected monuments, and on the battlefield erected a memorial.
Children in schools learned about the battle of Dubosekovo, before they began to learn history. The text about Panfilov was in the textbook of the Native Speech for elementary school and children were taught to read from this text.

And lines:
... in the hearts will live twenty eight
The bravest of your sons
Still sound in the anthem of Moscow.


But, all this, however, did not prevent the feat to debunk.

And now, today, any teenager, typing in Google: “28 Panfilov’s” will receive information full of “facts” about how and why the myth of 28 soldiers who stopped the German was invented Tanks.


In the courtyard of the XXI century. Dyshlo historical "truth" turned away from their heroes. But the past will remain unchanged. And in this past, in the distant 41, from under the fortifications, plowed up by bombs, the soldiers of the 4-th company will get out, shake off the dirty snow, pay off, understand that all 28 is left, finish their cigarettes, pick up grenades and meet an avalanche of German tanks.
This is our film.


The publication is illustrated with working materials for the film.
Originator:
https://boomstarter.ru
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  1. soldat1945
    soldat1945 20 June 2013 09: 58 New
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    Can we finally be able to make a good film without the smelly three T comrade and twice Mr. Mikhalkov!
    1. experienced
      experienced 20 June 2013 10: 03 New
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      Quote: soldat1945
      Can we finally be able to make a good film without the smelly three T comrade and twice Mr. Mikhalkov!

      Из новости понятно только, что есть сценарий и ищут деньги. За 60 миллионов рублей там будут актеры "2-го" плана, немного массовки и 1-2 фанерных танка. В прокат на подобное никто смотреть не пойдет. ИМХО hi
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 20 June 2013 10: 23 New
        +8
        Из новости понятно только, что есть сценарий и ищут деньги. За 60 миллионов рублей там будут актеры "2-го" плана, немного массовки и 1-2 фанерных танка. В прокат на подобное никто смотреть не пойдет. ИМХО

        No, this is an amateur film at all. The most important thing is to show.
      2. DEfindER
        DEfindER 20 June 2013 11: 20 New
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        Quote: seasoned
        За 60 миллионов рублей там будут актеры "2-го" плана, немного массовки и 1-2 фанерных танка. В прокат на подобное никто смотреть не пойдет. ИМХО

        Do not tell! If the budget of the Brest Fortress is 225 million rubles. with full technical equipment, excellent special effects, the scale of filming and the best actors. That’s about the feat of Panfilov’s, where much less scenery, actors and special effects are required, these 60 million will be enough to create a masterpiece, unless of course you get to work with a soul! And judging by the video, they have no problems with the desire to make a great movie!
      3. Per se.
        Per se. 20 June 2013 12: 02 New
        +9
        Quote: seasoned
        some extras and 1-2 plywood tanks
        Showing technology in the cinema, especially ours, is a sore subject. It’s probably not worth undertaking battle scenes at all if this technique is not there. The ridiculous plywood constructions on the tracks with crosses spoil everything that the T-1941-34 fights against in 85, these sports planes are for fighters, or, worse, AN-2, like an airplane of war years. I recently read about an enthusiast, Vyacheslav Vereochochkin, from the Novosibirsk region. A man makes copies of tanks in his garden, a whole collection, a museum. Is it really impossible for a movie to order at the industrial level technology appropriate to history? Of course, computer graphics appeared, but only on it alone can not remove a reliable plot.
      4. biglow
        biglow 20 June 2013 15: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: seasoned
        Quote: soldat1945
        Can we finally be able to make a good film without the smelly three T comrade and twice Mr. Mikhalkov!

        Из новости понятно только, что есть сценарий и ищут деньги. За 60 миллионов рублей там будут актеры "2-го" плана, немного массовки и 1-2 фанерных танка. В прокат на подобное никто смотреть не пойдет. ИМХО hi

        plywood tanks will not be there, they do everything on a computer
    2. RA77
      RA77 20 June 2013 10: 11 New
      +4
      Не надо так! "Легенда №17" тоже студии ТриТэ, видели этот фильм?
      1. 1536
        1536 20 June 2013 11: 03 New
        +6
        А что "Легенда 17"? Про русского хоккеиста надо было обязательно весь фильм показывать, как он о далекой Испании тоскует? В России что, только сатрапы из ЦК КПСС кругом действуют, да алкашня хамоватая? Про Б. Михайлова и В. Петрова - русских ребят, вообще ничего не сказать и не снять?.. Считаю, что так исподтишка вымывается понятие гордости за российский хоккей, за русских парней, защищавших и защищающих Родину. Хорошо, если бы фильм о 28-ми Героях-Панфиловцах был просто нормальным фильмом, после которого на душе не остается нехорошего осадка и стыда.
        1. RA77
          RA77 20 June 2013 11: 49 New
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          Quote: 1536
          А что "Легенда 17"? Про русского хоккеиста надо было обязательно весь фильм показывать, как он о далекой Испании тоскует? В России что, только сатрапы из ЦК КПСС кругом действуют, да алкашня хамоватая? Про Б. Михайлова и В. Петрова - русских ребят, вообще ничего не сказать и не снять?..

          Ну, видете ли, вы во всем гуано узрите. Не в том, что вы тут написали, так в другом чем-нибудь. Вы же такие люди. Ни по какой Испании Харламов там не тоскует. Был эпизод в начале фильма, где мальчику преподносится урок на всю жизнь, и в общем то все. И наверно только такой человек как вы может посмотрев этот фильм заключить, что в России кругом только "сатрапы из цк кпсс" и "хамоватая алкашня". Я вот, например, как и многие другие, посмотрел фильм с удовольствием и подобные вашим мысли мне даже в голову не приходили! Гордость за страну, за людей. Вот что я почувствовал.
  2. experienced
    experienced 20 June 2013 09: 58 New
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    Хочется верить, что фильм будет достойным, "без вскрытия новых фактов" и "высокохудожественного отображения и самобытного видения режиссера". Но твердо знаю одно, чтобы снять достойное историческое кино сейчас, нужны очень большие деньги, а тут на собственные...
    1. Sinbad
      Sinbad 21 June 2013 12: 53 New
      +1
      It is time for the state to take on the ideology of the younger generation, and at the state level to support and finance such projects.
  3. Andrew 121
    Andrew 121 20 June 2013 10: 00 New
    +6
    Already want to watch this movie. I will worry about our soldiers and hate the Nazis.
  4. tixon444
    tixon444 20 June 2013 10: 01 New
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    Currently completed production


    Stop swearing, did Mikhalkov learn the adit? bully
  5. leon-iv
    leon-iv 20 June 2013 10: 06 New
    +6
    By the way, the project is non-governmental and the authors in vos communicate with the people
    http://vk.com/kino28panfilovcev
    I really liked the teaser
    1. tixon444
      tixon444 20 June 2013 10: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: leon-iv
      I really liked the teaser


      I wish a success to the whole crew, a big deal, I would have had the strength.
    2. avt
      avt 20 June 2013 10: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: leon-iv
      I really liked the teaser

      Да , если в таком виде выдержат ,то будет что посмотреть . Дай бог сделали бы не хуже чем ,,Днепровский рубеж" у белорусов .
    3. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 20 June 2013 21: 16 New
      +1
      Yes, I got a goosebump on my back.
  6. leon-iv
    leon-iv 20 June 2013 10: 07 New
    +4
    Yes, by the way, you can help the film https://boomstarter.ru/projects/36881/7472
  7. svp67
    svp67 20 June 2013 10: 09 New
    +4
    The commercial is quite professional, I really want to see the film itself ..
  8. RA77
    RA77 20 June 2013 10: 14 New
    +2
    Why not help Kazakhs and Kyrgyz financially this beautiful idea, m? smile
  9. Anti
    Anti 20 June 2013 10: 21 New
    +6
    if the plan is to make grandmothers, then you should not look
    front-end actors have already shown themselves in falsification films, so it's better than the second.
  10. Check
    Check 20 June 2013 10: 21 New
    +2
    according to the teaser, it seems to be in the spirit of 300 Spartans))) contrasting colors and similar angles. well, curious.
  11. rafaelich
    rafaelich 20 June 2013 10: 42 New
    -18
    But there weren’t any 28 Panfilov’s !!!
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 20 June 2013 10: 50 New
      +9
      Какая нахрен разница? Что "Спасти рядового Райана" например от этого хуже стали. Все смотрят, хвалят и ни кого не колышет что не было в Европе у амеров таких жестоких боев в стиле аля Сталинград.
      1. zennon
        zennon 20 June 2013 20: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        What the hell is the difference?

        Поясню.Никто не оспаривает подвиг народа!Да был и политрук Василий Клочков.Достойный человек.Вот только он погиб за 2 дня до этого боя...И людей наших погибло только в этом бою,и только в 4-й роте больше 100 человек!Как быть с ними?Они что,не герои?Два человека,кореспондент "Красной звезды" и её литературный секретарь,в окопах никогда не сидевших,придумали эту историю.Если пойти по пути тиражирования легенд,то своей собственной истории мы знать не будем.Будем жить в мире сказок...
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 20 June 2013 10: 51 New
      +6
      But there weren’t any 28 Panfilov’s !!!

      was a feat of the people was. I agree that they and the VET batteries helped. Let's see what they take off.
      1. cartridge
        cartridge 20 June 2013 11: 59 New
        +1
        I’m afraid that these unfortunate directors will ruin the holy theme with their unclean hands! After all, they are only interested in one thing - rental income and prime time advertising!
        А правда и высокие идеи дня нынешних кинодеятелей дело абсоютно не важное! По меньшей мере я не могу назвать хотя бы один именно российский фильм про войну, которые не вызвал бы у меня разочарования. В каждом таком "творении" масса ляпов, неточностей, нестыковок, а зачастую откровенного вранья и вымыслов!
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 20 June 2013 12: 06 New
          +1
          See my links.
          1 amateur project
          2 people participate in the discussion
          3, the author points to the sources with which he works. I did not find the left.
    3. Anti
      Anti 20 June 2013 11: 14 New
      +5
      But there weren’t any 28 Panfilov’s !!!

      на одном фороме нашел," Было, не было... Бабы-Яги и Ивана-Дурака тоже не было, а образ живёт. Потому что он нужен для воспитания."
    4. viktorrymar
      viktorrymar 20 June 2013 11: 24 New
      +8
      And you come to us in Alma-Ata and say this to the descendants of these people.
      1. zennon
        zennon 20 June 2013 21: 21 New
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        Quote: viktorrymar
        And you come to us in Alma-Ata and say this to the descendants of these people.

        But they don’t know! By the way, I was born and lived in Frunze for 41 years. The316th Infantry Division was also formed in Kyrgyzstan. There is Panfilov Park, a monument to him.
    5. avt
      avt 20 June 2013 11: 26 New
      +6
      Quote: rafaelich
      But there weren’t any 28 Panfilov’s !!!

      The whole division was also composed of the 4th company. Moreover, the whole division was at war near Moscow, but for you this campaign is also Stalin-Surkov propaganda. But General Moroz won, they had already heard more than once from the Resunoids, the descendants of Goebels.
      1. cartridge
        cartridge 20 June 2013 11: 49 New
        +3
        Dear avt! I read the quote and, outraged, put a minus to you, and not to the provocateur - resunoid! I'm sorry! I'll fix it now! hi
        Already corrected the pros! Again hi
    6. Soviet_Union
      Soviet_Union 20 June 2013 11: 42 New
      +4
      Prove it. And read the history of the USSR.
      1. rafaelich
        rafaelich 20 June 2013 12: 37 New
        -7
        http://lurkmore.to/28_%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B2-%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1
        %84%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2
    7. tixon444
      tixon444 20 June 2013 11: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: rafaelich
      But there weren’t any 28 Panfilov’s !!!


      Of course did not have! There was no battle for Moscow, and there was no Great Patriotic War, and there were no soldiers killed for you either ... And you, rafaelich, were not there and never will be, but there is only dope and Mouzon like bam-bam bam.
    8. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 20 June 2013 13: 14 New
      +2
      how much was it? 20, 30 or 50. what's the difference - they stood to the end in the war against fascism, and not for the sake of awards.
      1. little man
        little man 20 June 2013 18: 01 New
        +1
        И то верно! Вспомнилась песня - "На безымянной высоте".
        И там: "..нас оставалась только двое из восемнадцати ребят".
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f-T5AUEUYg
    9. antibanukurayza
      antibanukurayza 20 June 2013 13: 19 New
      +5
      Какая вам разница были ли они или не были? Это вас в зиму согреет или в жару охладит? У нас в Алмате парк 28 панфиловцев любимое место не только ветеранов но и молодежи. И никто не устраивают дебаты "были\небыли". Народ в это поверил в свое время, их подвиг поднял боевой дух не одного бойца, слова Клочкова повторяли все командиры и этими словами поднимали бойцов, может быть в последнюю атаку. А вы "не было". Эх вы! Когда, именно сейчас необходимо поднимать патриотизм молодежи, мозги которых атакуют западная идеология, вы тут изображаете историка. Лучше промолчите, может ваш сын посмотрит фильм и спросит про них, а вы ему скажете: "Это не правда, а вот Раян - правда?"
    10. Homo
      Homo 20 June 2013 13: 41 New
      +3
      It's time to learn to read - a film about the EXPLOITATION of 28 Panfilov !!! The feat was definitely !!!
      1. Sinbad
        Sinbad 21 June 2013 13: 03 New
        +1
        Пора прекратить эти провокационные разглагольствования был или не был тот или иной подвиг наших воинов. Подвиг был и это не подлежит сомнению, а то что мы ещё не знаем, выяснить и донести до всех. Советский лозунг "Никто не забыт, ни что не забыто" должен стать реальностью.
  12. Sochi
    Sochi 20 June 2013 10: 46 New
    +2
    I really want to see a real film about the war, and not just what was being filmed ... So that it would be truthful and scary, as it was in fact, and not pink snot and suffering in no way.
  13. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 20 June 2013 11: 13 New
    0
    Quote: seasoned
    Quote: soldat1945
    Can we finally be able to make a good film without the smelly three T comrade and twice Mr. Mikhalkov!

    Из новости понятно только, что есть сценарий и ищут деньги. За 60 миллионов рублей там будут актеры "2-го" плана, немного массовки и 1-2 фанерных танка. В прокат на подобное никто смотреть не пойдет. ИМХО hi

    I would not say that. in terms of style, the film will look like 300 Spartans - which you can’t say is bad. that is, there will be a combination of computer graphics and acting. at least I liked the teaser
  14. viktorrymar
    viktorrymar 20 June 2013 11: 29 New
    +9
    This is the park of the 28 Panfilov Guardsmen in Almaty. Come to us and say that they were not there.
  15. White
    White 20 June 2013 11: 38 New
    +1
    Nobody understood the campaign - this is just an idea for a film of money. NO. The authors want to take the path that is currently gaining momentum in the gaming industry - crowdfunding. That is, ordinary people get a little money off for it, they will eventually receive some bonuses (going to the premiere for example). So if you want to see a movie about the exploit of 28 take off .
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 20 June 2013 11: 49 New
      +4
      by the way I threw 500ku
      https://boomstarter.ru/projects/36881/7472 помогаем народ
    2. biglow
      biglow 20 June 2013 15: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: White
      Nobody understood the campaign - this is just an idea for a film of money. NO. The authors want to take the path that is currently gaining momentum in the gaming industry - crowdfunding. That is, ordinary people get a little money off for it, they will eventually receive some bonuses (going to the premiere for example). So if you want to see a movie about the exploit of 28 take off .

      they collected the first million in the first day, people help and the movie will be
  16. imerkov
    imerkov 20 June 2013 12: 18 New
    +2
    Фильм Никиты Михалкова "Утомленные солнцем-2: Цитадель" вызвал массу дискуссий (при бюджете в 34 миллиона ему удалось собрать в прокате лишь полтора). Что, впрочем, не помешало ему стать событием года. А теперь картину выдвинули на "Оскар"...
    About the feat of 28 Panfilov’s film must be removed! Let them say whatever they like. It was - it was not, what a difference! This inspired the Soviet people at that critical time to mobilize the defense of the country! And the rest is no longer relevant. The chatter remained as it was. None of us were there, and as it was in fact, who knows. And to write and about .. to fool - a lot of mind is not necessary!
  17. waisson
    waisson 20 June 2013 12: 47 New
    +2
    God forbid and as it is, but without perversions today, grandfathers don’t forgive us for this
  18. Hort
    Hort 20 June 2013 13: 53 New
    +3
    Хмм...а что мешает экранизировать "Волоколамское шоссе"? Там куда масштабнее всё описано, в контексте дивизии
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 20 June 2013 15: 49 New
      +1
      laziness, dullness and an attempt to cut down the loot on a raging episode where one of the heroes, to the delight of Wuhu matzah, turned out to be a traitor
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 20 June 2013 22: 08 New
      -1
      Quote: hort
      Хмм...а что мешает экранизировать "Волоколамское шоссе"? Там куда масштабнее всё описано, в контексте дивизии

      Во-во. У меня та же мысль возникла, когда прочитал новость. В 1967 году казахи сняли на Казахфильме кино по мотивам "Волоколамского шоссе" - "За нами Москва", потом в 80-х телеспектакль двухсерийный был - "Волоколамское шоссе", но неплохо было бы снять обновленную версию.
      Книга "Волоколамское шоссе" - потрясающее произведение. И уж точно показать подвиг всей дивизии - это лучше, чем пиарить мутную историю с 28-ю панфиловцами.
      Для миллионов людей кумиром является Че Гевара. А для Гевары кумиром был Бауыржан Момышулы - герой книги "Волоколамское шоссе". А сама книга является обязательной для прочтения для офицеров израильской и кубинской армий. Кроме того, Б.Момышулы был почетным командиром одного из кубинских полков. Он вообще потрясающая личность. Будучи старлеем возглавлял батальон, затем полк в 8-ой гсд. Такое даже во время войны было редкостью - старлей-комполка. Причем комполка он стал всего лишь через месяц после того, как на фронт попал! А в 1945 он уже командовал дивизией в чине полковника! Его книги по военной науке изучаются даже в военных ВУЗах США.
      Я собираю информацию по Панфиловской дивизии, и буквально недавно нашел фотографию, где панфиловцам прислали посылки из Казахстана и среди них отлично виден ящик с конской колбасой "казы"! ))) Ну, теперь понятно, откуда у панфиловцев были силы десяти дивизий))) Конская колбаса - это тайное оружие Казахстана. На прошедшей Олимпиаде в Лондоне наши спортсмены все употребляли конину (и даже с собой в Британию привезли), потому и взяли столько золота при своей малочисленности ))) Надо было конину всем советским солдатам выдавать, тогда бы мы к концу 1942 года точно уже до Берлина бы дошли. А может... и до Последнего моря laughing
  19. scumpuzzle
    scumpuzzle 20 June 2013 14: 17 New
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    damn the author, even if I made a link for the fees to the main news https://boomstarter.ru/projects/36881/7472, it’s not a pity for a good deed :)
    I participated in the early days of which I wish everyone
  20. georg737577
    georg737577 20 June 2013 14: 33 New
    +5
    Не стоит делать из ВОВ фентезийную сагу. Лучше на эти деньги "оцифровать" и вытащить из запасников реальную кинохронику тех лет. Я хочу видеть настоящие лица воинов ВОВ,они заслужили продолжать жить, пусть даже на экране. А когда я смотрю современное "художественное кино" , где зачастую, гламурные педики пытаются изображать людей , тем паче - солдат, а еще дают всякие интервью о "тяжелой работе актера ( в шахте повкалывай, выродок!)...", то хочеться спросить - зачем глумиться над трагедией и подвигом народа?
  21. Pimply
    Pimply 20 June 2013 14: 59 New
    -2
    Only in reality there were no 28 Panfilovites. And there was an essay invented by a journalist.

    The reality was tougher, worse, and much more heroic, although without such beautiful things as in this legend.
    testimony of the former commander of the 1075th Infantry Regiment I.V. Kaprov:
    ... There was no battle of 28 Panfilov’s with German tanks at the Dubosekovo junction on November 16, 1941 - this is a complete fiction. On this day, at the Dubosekovo junction as part of the 2nd battalion, the 4th company fought with German tanks, and really fought heroically. Over 100 people died from the company, and not 28, as was reported in the newspapers. None of the correspondents contacted me during this period; I never told anyone about the battle of 28 Panfilov’s, and I couldn’t speak, since there was no such battle. I did not write any political reports about this. I do not know on the basis of what materials they wrote in newspapers, in particular, in the Red Star, about the battle of 28 guardsmen from the division named after them. Panfilova. At the end of December 1941, when the division was set aside for formation, the correspondent of the Red Star Krivitsky came to me with the representatives of the political department of the division, Glushko and Egorov. Here I first heard about 28 Panfilov guardsmen. In a conversation with me, Krivitsky said that it was necessary that there were 28 Panfilov guards who fought with German tanks. I told him that the entire regiment, and especially the 4th company of the 2nd battalion, was fighting with German tanks, but I don’t know anything about the battle of the 28 guards ... Captain Gundilovich, who had conversations with him on this subject, gave the last name to Krivitsky, there were no documents about the battle of 28 Panfilov’s regiments and could not be. Nobody asked me about the names. Subsequently, after lengthy clarification of the names, it was only in April 1942 that ready-made award sheets and a general list of 28 guardsmen were sent to my regiment for signature from the division headquarters. I signed these sheets for awarding the 28 Guardsmen the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. I did not know who initiated the compilation of the list and award sheets for 28 guardsmen.
    1. scumpuzzle
      scumpuzzle 20 June 2013 15: 07 New
      0
      Was he personally on this sector of the front and observed everything with his own eyes? where is the guarantee that this is not another fiction? I personally want to believe in the heroism of our defenders of the fatherland, and I also want to make a film that will not be boring to watch the younger generation about the great feat of those years. newsreels, etc. schoolchildren will not watch, or a very small part of them, and a film made in this style is quite
      1. zennon
        zennon 20 June 2013 22: 39 New
        +2
        Quote: scumpuzzle
        I personally want to believe in the heroism of our defenders of the fatherland ...

        У Михаила Иларионовича Кутузова был адьютант полковник Иван Михайлович Ушаков,очень достойный офицер.Но вот только любил при докладе преувеличить трофеи,победы,пленных...Когда был пойман на этом сказал:"Хочется победить побыстрее!"...
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 20 June 2013 23: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: scumpuzzle
        Was he personally on this sector of the front and observed everything with his own eyes?

        вот Вы странный человек... Командиру полка, в котором служили "28 панфиловцев", и который в те дни дрался со своими бойцами, и чудом остался в живых, Вы не верите, а журналисту Кривицкому, который не был на передовой, наоборот верите.
        You do not believe the conclusions of the USSR military prosecutor’s office, but you believe the authors of the Moscow anthem.

        No one here is trying to humiliate Panfilov’s or sympathize with the Germans or liberals. A matter of principle. I understand why this myth was needed in the winter of 1941/1942, but why should this myth be fed today, leaving the real heroes of the Panfilov Division in the shadow? You need to name the names of the Panfilovites, who were represented to the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, but never received them? But at the same time, we continue to glorify some fighters who turned out to be traitors. But their names were lucky, as Krivitsky wrote them for the newspaper. It might be better to make a film not about Daniil Kozhubergenov and Dobrobabin, but about the battalion commander / regiment of Momyshuly or the sniper of Panfilov’s division Tuleugali Abdybekov, who killed 397 Germans. Despite numerous representations of the Golden Stars, the Soviet authorities did not give them (Momyshuly received it already after his death - under Gorbachev in 1990, although he was introduced back in 1942, Abdybekov did not wait for the high rank of Hero of the USSR, although he takes 18th place in ranking of the best WWII snipers). Maybe it’s better to glorify them?
    2. Melchakov
      Melchakov 20 June 2013 15: 19 New
      -6
      Quote: Pimply
      composition invented by a journalist.

      Exactly. What you wrote is an essay invented by a journalist. good
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 20 June 2013 15: 38 New
        +4
        in general, this is the result of an investigation by the military prosecutor's office.
    3. Russ69
      Russ69 20 June 2013 15: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Pimply
      Only in reality there were no 28 Panfilovites. And there was an essay invented by a journalist.

      There was, was not, to argue on this topic as it is not a hunt.
      Важно другое, что такие фильмы нужны. А не "Штрафбаты" и эпопеи Михалкова.
      I also translated yesterday ...
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 20 June 2013 15: 57 New
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        а кто дал гарантию, что это не "Штрафбаты" и эпопеи Михалкова будут?
  22. Russ69
    Russ69 20 June 2013 15: 44 New
    -1
    Quote: Per se.
    A man makes copies of tanks in his garden, a whole collection, a museum. Is it really impossible for a movie to order at the industrial level technology appropriate to history?

    As it was a report, or about this craftsman, or about another. But he said during an interview that he had already been rented for filming something.
  23. Stas57
    Stas57 20 June 2013 15: 46 New
    +5
    so passions boil.
    I give a number of opinions
    Mr. Pernavsky, publisher of books, Tactical Press (those that are the world of tanks)

    1. This is a myth, and the story of its creation is known.
    2. After his exposure at the end of the 40, they tried to merge him, but in the 60 he surfaced again.
    3. The history of this myth is dirty.
    4. This, of course, will be used by dirty tricks of all stripes.
    5. The creators of the film, however, clung to this myth and want only it.
    6. This myth obscures thousands of real stories worthy of adaptation and description.
    7. Ни копейки халтурщикам. Долой новые "Солдаты Свободы".
    8. To make a film based on this myth is the same as filming the myths about the bloody SMERSH or angels from penal battles.


    http://sirjones.livejournal.com/1770220.html


    A Dyukov, historian
    Yes, I completely agree.
    http://a-dyukov.livejournal.com/1329200.html
    Мегасрач по поводу фильма о 28 панфиловцев (посмотрите, что творится у меня в предыдущем посте; у sirjones еще круче) удивительно напоминает мне споры на тему "гауптштурмфюрер СС Роман Шухевич". Шухевич подобного звания не имел, о чем всем интересующимся хорошо известно. Но при этом некоторым антифашистам хоть кол на голове теши - они все равно раз за разом озвучивают заведомую ложь о гауптштурмфюрере. Им так хочется. А поклонники Шухевича только рады: благодаря наличию заведомой лжи, можно представить "лживыми" данные о реальных преступлениях Шухевича и Ко. Единожды солгав, кто тебе поверит?

    Here is the same trouble with the film. The creators want only myth, only hardcore. And how much dirt will be taken away after that the opponents will bring down the history of the Great Patriotic War, and how much a shock for the student will be to learn that the feat he saw is a lie; which means that there were no feats, all this is propaganda, but there were only penal battalions and detachments - and so, the creators of the film don't give a damn about it.

    UPD. Лучший, на мой взгляд, комментарий: Граждане, похоже, принимают простую беспринципность за крутую политтехнологию. Услышали где-то про "мифологию" и её "конструирование", но думают, что всё сводится к "а давайте возьмём, да наврём". Главное качество идеальной жертвы разводки -- не наивность, а именно вот такая простецкая хитрожопость и уверенность, что все остальные до гениальной схемы в один ход просто "не додумались".

    http://a-dyukov.livejournal.com/1329446.html?page=2

    Dmitry Shein, historian, author of works on tanks
    Я и Вам повторю, мне не сложно: агитка не должна рассыпаться в прах от столкновения с первой страницей Гугля. Людям хочется верить в реальность того, что они видят на экране. И если экранная реальность общеизвестного героического мифа не выдерживает столкновения с реальной реальностью, то это не просто "творческая неудача", это удар по мировосприятию аудитории.
    Оттого и повторяют Вам и вам (киношникам) - не надо трогать данный конкретный миф, снимите фильм про бои у Ильинского! - но нет, "Кино должно быть пропагандистской агиткой, иначе ему грош цена. Говорю это как киношник" (с), а потом долгие философские рассуждения у разбитого корыта: что ж у нас патриотическое кино-то не в почете, в загоне, не окупается?

    http://a-dyukov.livejournal.com/1329446.html?thread=35077670#t35077670

    And Isaev, a historian
    In general, I repeat: a film about this episode is wrecking and expanding the circle of people who know about the investigation, the Shutsman and others like him. Zhurny will drag fried masses to the masses for an informational occasion. Do we really need this?
    http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/arhprint/2490244
    1. Oksana
      Oksana 20 June 2013 16: 19 New
      +3
      Мой муж по воскресеньем с внуком ездиет в парк 28 панфиловцев,"парк солдатов"-внук так называет.Покормят голубей,зайдут храм( на територии парка огромный ,православный Собор).Внук налазиется по пушкам и орудиям , положит свои одуванчики-среди роз к Вечному Огню! Потом столько эмоций!Теперь,что ему"ОБЪЯСНЯТЬ"???-Что это парк МИФОВ!!!???!!! am
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 20 June 2013 16: 34 New
        +1
        no, just tell about glorious deeds the whole division.
        why only about 28, the rest that fought badly?
        grows up, he himself will understand, if he is interested, but not interested, then it’s not necessary
      2. zennon
        zennon 20 June 2013 23: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Oksana
        Мой муж по воскресеньем с внуком ездиет в парк 28 панфиловцев,"парк солдатов"-внук так называет.Теперь,что ему"ОБЪЯСНЯТЬ"???-Что это парк МИФОВ!!!???!!! am

        А что делать?Было два бумагомарателя в "Красной звезде".Секретарь газеты Кривицкий и корреспондент Коротеев.Они эту агитку из своей головы выдумали.Сами в окопах не сидели,а вот славы им захотелось.На величайшей трагедии,на костях солдат,но славы!В 47 году судили изменника,перебежавшего к немцам.Служившего им.При аресте у него окозалась книга о "28 панфиловцах".И ОН-один из них!!!ЕМУ ПОСМЕРТНО было звание ГСС присвоено!Вот тогда прокуратура этим делом заинтересовалась и всё раскрутила...
  24. serjant4
    serjant4 20 June 2013 15: 53 New
    -1
    Quote: rafaelich
    But there weren’t any 28 Panfilov’s !!!

    WAS !!!!!!! still say that the amers in the Second World War won ....
  25. serjant4
    serjant4 20 June 2013 16: 06 New
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    о, минусок получил спасибо Вам,Вы настоящий "патриот"... учите историю
  26. pensioner
    pensioner 20 June 2013 16: 14 New
    +2
    Let them take it off, if only they would not distinguish themselves. due to inconsistencies ...
  27. individual
    individual 20 June 2013 16: 22 New
    +2
    Launch at the box office of a film about 28 Panflowers — returning Russia to the truth of the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR, the truth about the GREAT DEATH OF THE SOVIET PEOPLE.
    Проходит время свистунов с фальшивыми голосами проплаченные вражеской пропагандой "запада" о СССР, наших подвигах и победах.
  28. Gahprom
    Gahprom 20 June 2013 18: 23 New
    +3
    Quote: wasjasibirjac
    how much was it? 20, 30 or 50. what's the difference - they stood to the end in the war against fascism, and not for the sake of awards.

    Quote: tixon444
    Of course it wasn’t! There was no battle for Moscow, and there was no Great Patriotic War, and there were no soldiers killed for you either ... And you, rafaelich, were not there and never will be, but there is only dope and Mouzon like bam-bam bam.

    What do you care if they were or were not?

    I personally want to believe in the heroism of our defenders of the fatherland,


    It's time to learn to read - a film about the EXPLOITATION of 28 Panfilov !!! The feat was definitely !!!

    Yes, of course, it's all the little things and all the garbage, that-
    Dobrobabin, on the pages of an essay heroically throwing himself under a tank with a bunch of grenades - did not fall, but appeared in police officers, was convicted and served time, was deprived of the GSS *. And Aliaskar Kozhabergenov arrived in the division after November 16, 1941. And Ivan Natarov died two days before the battle on November 16, 1941. Now try to tear off the heroically deceased Klochkov from the equally heroically dead Dobrobabin, Kozhabergenov and Natarov , which is generally indicated as the source of the whole story - like, dying in a hospital from wounds, he told all the details of the battle.
    how disgusting when, in a patriotic frenzy, like this at a time, people move heroes as they please, whether it's an article, whether it's a movie, whether it's a forum.
    You’re the main thing, let’s loot, all as one, loot on patriots is good money, they are not friends with the head,

    *
    Dobrobabin, Ivan Evstafievich
    Dobrobabin, by the verdict of the Military Tribunal of the Kiev Military District on June 8, 1948, was sentenced to 15 years of imprisonment, with a loss of rights for five years, confiscation of property and deprivation of medals "For the Defense of Moscow", "For the victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941 —1945 ”,“ For the Capture of Vienna ”and“ For the Capture of Budapest ”; By a decree of the Presidium of the USSR Armed Forces of February 11, 1949, he was stripped of the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. In connection with the amnesty in honor of the 10th anniversary of the Victory, the determination of the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR of March 30, 1955, the sentence was changed, the sentence was reduced to 7 years in prison, after which he was released after serving his sentence. After that, he moved to Tsimlyansk to his brother Daniel, was in charge of a photo studio.
    In 1988, he filed a petition for his rehabilitation, indicating that although he served in the German police, he had not committed any criminal acts in this post. However, on August 17, 1989, based on the conclusion of the Chief Military Prosecutor's Office, rehabilitation was refused
    http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=6518


    Пс, Кто то за ГСС кровь проливал, а кто то вот так, служа в полиции, но главное вы дорогие форумчане верьте, верьте, в то, что "какая разница", что вам снимут достойное кино, за что вы денег отдали, верьте в мантры вашего укромного мирка. Такие не думающие машины, люди, которым "какая разница",люди, не знающим историю своей страны, люди, которым пофиг где подвиг а где предательство, нужны всегда, их удобно оболванить Дом2 или еще чем, они все сьедят. Главное "верить" в подвиг- не "знать", а "верить", ведь знание это труд, это надо читать, тут таких единицы, знающих, остальные верят, отмахиваясь от правды.

    PPP. in vain you instructed the man of the minuses, he is right, the correspondent invented everything, because he urinated on the front line to go, it’s more convenient to do rear heroes from the traitors
  29. VOLCHOXURAL
    VOLCHOXURAL 20 June 2013 19: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: Sochi
    To be truthful and scary

    And I, for example, never having been in hot spots, after watching the 9th company, I looked at a whole bunch of videos from the places of real battles, and I did not see such torments, constant tantrums and other sobs (like in the 9th company)! !! request Скорее наоборот - удивила "будничность" царящей атмосферы! Все внешние проявления, по поводу происходящего вокруг, сводились к редким негодованиям в виде коротких, матерных ругательств и не более того. Проблема нашего "реального" кино в том, что как режиссёры, так и актёры сильно переигрывают!(об этом кстати сказал известный западный режиссёр, в интервью недавно по ящику) Они на съёмочной площадке играют в театр! Чего в фильме быть не должно. yes And this theatricality is striking, and in my opinion it often spoils films! Sometimes turning them into a real psychological darkness! (As in the same company and other similar) No. Самые близкие к реальности, в психологическом плане фильмы, это - "Грозовые ворота" например и кстати "Спасти рядового Райана" тоже вполне.
  30. Tao
    Tao 20 June 2013 19: 23 New
    +4
    Говорят, народу было больше 28 человек и не все погибли - в живых осталось 6-8 человек. Что до фильма в 60 миллионов, со стенаниями, типа: техники столько нет, массовку первосортных акторов не выведешь... Собственно и не надо! - нужен всего 1! танк + 10 человек за немцев. Через комп всех оцифровать, а там хоть армия из 500 танков. Имхо, самое лучшее, призвать настоящих воинов военных, вместо "звезд". :)

    It is time to return the feat and pride of the Russian people. This is terribly boyazzo our enemies, both external and internal. The time has come to advance!
  31. scumpuzzle
    scumpuzzle 20 June 2013 19: 37 New
    +1
    Because 28 heroes included in the legend is not a myth for the sake of myth. Based on this feat, the soldiers strengthened their spirits for new battles, fought even when it became unbearable.

    And the following generations fought with their own cowardice and weakness, relying on the feat of 28 Panfilov’s.

    A hero who goes into legend is sometimes credited with extra virtues and removed with excessive flaws. The hero no longer belongs to himself - he belongs to the people.



    http://petrovchik.livejournal.com/107181.html
    every word to the point!
    1. Gahprom
      Gahprom 20 June 2013 19: 50 New
      0
      Quote: scumpuzzle
      every word to the point!

      with the exception of this phrase-
      Nobody refuted the fact of the tank attacks of the Germans at the Dubosekovo junction on November 16, 1941.
      Nor is it denied that it was in this direction that the Germans delivered the main blow on this day.
      ,,, died, stopping the enemy tank attacks.
      I would advise you not to read it, but to independently look for the answer to this question, with the direction of the main attacks and the location of the Soviet and German troops, otherwise the author wrote for a long time, or not in the subject.
      There are plenty of good books on this period.
      moreover, there is in the public domain an authentic map of battles with a main attack and the location of the Soviet troops, look, this is very interesting, I assure you.
  32. mithridate
    mithridate 20 June 2013 20: 07 New
    +1
    need to shoot more patriotic paintings, revive the national spirit