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St. Petersburg independent studio under the direction of Andrei Shalopy making a film about the feat 28 Panfilov

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Cinema is shot without the support of state funds and without the participation of engaged directors, which means that the cinema is made with the greatest respect for the feat of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers and is not influenced by agents of state and commercial structures.


Until now, all the work on the film was done by all participants for their own money.

At the moment, the preproduction is completed - it means the script is ready, the cost estimate and the filming plan are made, locations (filming locations) are found, storyboards of the plans for episodes, etc. are drawn.

The teaser video was also shot and mounted, which was published on YouTube, Vkontakte and on a number of sites dedicated to news cinematography
What will be removed and how you can learn from our group Vkontakte. There you can also ask questions and get answers to them directly from Andrei, who is the scriptwriter, director and producer of the project.

The full budget of the film will be 60 million rubles.

Since this amount is quite significant, it was decided to split it into smaller amounts and collect funds in parts.

Movie synopsis

In the autumn of 1941, German units standing near Volokolamsk were separated from Moscow, some two hours along the highway. However, on this highway was the 316-I Infantry Division, under the command of General I.V. Panfilov. This commander had such high prestige among the personnel that the fighters of the division called themselves Panfilov members. A division - Panfilov.

316-I proved to be so battle-worthy and successful military unit that 17 November 41-th year acquired the status of the guard and became the 8-th Guards. It so happened that the next day General Panfilov died, but the division received the right to retain his name in its name. This honor in the Soviet Army received, just one more division - 25 Guards, named after Chapaev.
So, the 16 of November (two days before the death of the general) the 4 company of the 2 battalion of the 1075 regiment of the Panfilov division accepted the battle, which was destined to become a legend of the Great Patriotic War.

St. Petersburg independent studio under the direction of Andrei Shalopy making a film about the feat 28 Panfilov

In this battle, the 28 Panfilovs, entrenched near the Dubosekovo junction, stood in the way of the German tank battalion ... And stopped him.


The feat of 28-i Panfilov heroes became one of the brightest symbols of the battle for Moscow.
The words of political instructor Klochkov - “Great Russia, but nowhere to retreat. Behind Moscow "could be found in almost every war museum.


In Kazakhstan, in the homeland of the heroes, they erected monuments, and on the battlefield erected a memorial.
Children in schools learned about the battle of Dubosekovo, before they began to learn history. The text about Panfilov was in the textbook of the Native Speech for elementary school and children were taught to read from this text.

And lines:
... in the hearts will live twenty eight
The bravest of your sons
Still sound in the anthem of Moscow.


But, all this, however, did not prevent the feat to debunk.

And now, today, any teenager, typing in Google: “28 Panfilov’s” will receive information full of “facts” about how and why the myth of 28 soldiers who stopped the German was invented Tanks.


In the courtyard of the XXI century. Dyshlo historical "truth" turned away from their heroes. But the past will remain unchanged. And in this past, in the distant 41, from under the fortifications, plowed up by bombs, the soldiers of the 4-th company will get out, shake off the dirty snow, pay off, understand that all 28 is left, finish their cigarettes, pick up grenades and meet an avalanche of German tanks.
This is our film.


The publication is illustrated with working materials for the film.
Originator:
https://boomstarter.ru
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  1. soldat1945
    soldat1945 20 June 2013 09: 58
    24
    Can we finally be able to make a good film without the smelly three T comrade and twice Mr. Mikhalkov!
    1. experienced
      experienced 20 June 2013 10: 03
      0
      Quote: soldat1945
      Can we finally be able to make a good film without the smelly three T comrade and twice Mr. Mikhalkov!

      From the news it is clear only that there is a scenario and they are looking for money. For 60 million rubles, there will be actors of the "2nd" plan, some extras and 1-2 plywood tanks. Nobody will go to the rental office to watch this. IMHO hi
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 20 June 2013 10: 23
        +8
        From the news it is clear only that there is a scenario and they are looking for money. For 60 million rubles, there will be actors of the "2nd" plan, some extras and 1-2 plywood tanks. Nobody will go to the rental office to watch this. IMHO

        No, this is an amateur film at all. The most important thing is to show.
      2. DEfindER
        DEfindER 20 June 2013 11: 20
        11
        Quote: seasoned
        For 60 million rubles, there will be actors of the "2nd" plan, some extras and 1-2 plywood tanks. Nobody will go to rent something like that. IMHO

        Do not tell! If the budget of the Brest Fortress is 225 million rubles. with full technical equipment, excellent special effects, the scale of filming and the best actors. That’s about the feat of Panfilov’s, where much less scenery, actors and special effects are required, these 60 million will be enough to create a masterpiece, unless of course you get to work with a soul! And judging by the video, they have no problems with the desire to make a great movie!
      3. Per se.
        Per se. 20 June 2013 12: 02
        +9
        Quote: seasoned
        some extras and 1-2 plywood tanks
        Showing technology in the cinema, especially ours, is a sore subject. It’s probably not worth undertaking battle scenes at all if this technique is not there. The ridiculous plywood constructions on the tracks with crosses spoil everything that the T-1941-34 fights against in 85, these sports planes are for fighters, or, worse, AN-2, like an airplane of war years. I recently read about an enthusiast, Vyacheslav Vereochochkin, from the Novosibirsk region. A man makes copies of tanks in his garden, a whole collection, a museum. Is it really impossible for a movie to order at the industrial level technology appropriate to history? Of course, computer graphics appeared, but only on it alone can not remove a reliable plot.
      4. biglow
        biglow 20 June 2013 15: 33
        +1
        Quote: seasoned
        Quote: soldat1945
        Can we finally be able to make a good film without the smelly three T comrade and twice Mr. Mikhalkov!

        From the news it is clear only that there is a scenario and they are looking for money. For 60 million rubles, there will be actors of the "2nd" plan, some extras and 1-2 plywood tanks. Nobody will go to the rental office to watch this. IMHO hi

        plywood tanks will not be there, they do everything on a computer
    2. RA77
      RA77 20 June 2013 10: 11
      +4
      Do not do like this! "Legend # 17" is also Trete studio, have you seen this movie?
      1. 1536
        1536 20 June 2013 11: 03
        +6
        And what about Legend 17? About the Russian hockey player it was necessary to show the whole film, how does he yearn for distant Spain? In Russia, that only satraps from the Central Committee of the CPSU are working around, but a boorish drunkard? About B. Mikhailov and V. Petrov - Russian guys, nothing to say and not to take off? .. I think that the concept of pride in Russian hockey, for Russian guys who defended and defending the Motherland, is secretly washed out. It would be good if the film about 28 Panfilov Heroes was just a normal film, after which there is no bad feeling and shame in the soul.
        1. RA77
          RA77 20 June 2013 11: 49
          0
          Quote: 1536
          And what about Legend 17? About the Russian hockey player it was necessary to show the whole film, how does he yearn for distant Spain? In Russia, that only satraps from the Central Committee of the CPSU are working around, but a boorish drunkard? About B. Mikhailov and V. Petrov - Russian guys, don't you say anything at all or take pictures? ..

          Well, you see, you will see guano in all. Not in what you wrote here, but in something else. You are such people. Kharlamov does not yearn for any Spain. There was an episode at the beginning of the film, where the boy is taught a lesson for life, and in general, that's all. And probably only a person like you can, after watching this film, conclude that in Russia there are only "satraps from the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union" and "boorish drunkards". For example, like many others, I watched the film with pleasure and thoughts like yours did not even occur to me! Pride for the country, for the people. This is how I felt.
  2. experienced
    experienced 20 June 2013 09: 58
    10
    I would like to believe that the film will be worthy, "without revealing new facts" and "highly artistic display and original vision of the director." But I know one thing for sure, to make a worthy historical film now, you need a lot of money, and here for your own ...
    1. Sinbad
      Sinbad 21 June 2013 12: 53
      +1
      It is time for the state to take on the ideology of the younger generation, and at the state level to support and finance such projects.
  3. Andrew 121
    Andrew 121 20 June 2013 10: 00
    +6
    Already want to watch this movie. I will worry about our soldiers and hate the Nazis.
  4. tixon444
    tixon444 20 June 2013 10: 01
    13
    Currently completed production


    Stop swearing, did Mikhalkov learn the adit? bully
  5. leon-iv
    leon-iv 20 June 2013 10: 06
    +6
    By the way, the project is non-governmental and the authors in vos communicate with the people
    http://vk.com/kino28panfilovcev
    I really liked the teaser
    1. tixon444
      tixon444 20 June 2013 10: 20
      +3
      Quote: leon-iv
      I really liked the teaser


      I wish a success to the whole crew, a big deal, I would have had the strength.
    2. avt
      avt 20 June 2013 10: 39
      +4
      Quote: leon-iv
      I really liked the teaser

      Yes, if they can stand it, there will be something to see. God forbid they would have done no worse than the “Dnieper border” of the Belarusians.
    3. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 20 June 2013 21: 16
      +1
      Yes, I got a goosebump on my back.
  6. leon-iv
    leon-iv 20 June 2013 10: 07
    +4
    Yes, by the way, you can help the film https://boomstarter.ru/projects/36881/7472
  7. svp67
    svp67 20 June 2013 10: 09
    +4
    The commercial is quite professional, I really want to see the film itself ..
  8. RA77
    RA77 20 June 2013 10: 14
    +2
    Why not help Kazakhs and Kyrgyz financially this beautiful idea, m? smile
  9. Anti
    Anti 20 June 2013 10: 21
    +6
    if the plan is to make grandmothers, then you should not look
    front-end actors have already shown themselves in falsification films, so it's better than the second.
  10. Check
    Check 20 June 2013 10: 21
    +2
    according to the teaser, it seems to be in the spirit of 300 Spartans))) contrasting colors and similar angles. well, curious.
  11. rafaelich
    rafaelich 20 June 2013 10: 42
    18 th
    But there weren’t any 28 Panfilov’s !!!
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 20 June 2013 10: 50
      +9
      What the fuck is the difference? That "Saving Private Ryan" for example is worse than steel. Everyone looks, praises and no one cares that there was no such brutal battles in Europe in the Amers' style ala Stalingrad.
      1. zennon
        zennon 20 June 2013 20: 52
        +3
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        What the hell is the difference?

        Let me explain: No one disputes the feat of the people! Yes, there was political instructor Vasily Klochkov. A worthy man. But he died 2 days before this battle ... And our people died only in this battle, and only in the 4th company more than 100 people ! How to deal with them? Are they not heroes? Two people, the correspondent of "Krasnaya Zvezda" and its literary secretary, who never sat in trenches, invented this story. If we follow the path of replicating legends, then we will not know our own history .Let's live in a world of fairy tales ...
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 20 June 2013 10: 51
      +6
      But there weren’t any 28 Panfilov’s !!!

      was a feat of the people was. I agree that they and the VET batteries helped. Let's see what they take off.
      1. cartridge
        cartridge 20 June 2013 11: 59
        +1
        I’m afraid that these unfortunate directors will ruin the holy theme with their unclean hands! After all, they are only interested in one thing - rental income and prime time advertising!
        And the truth and lofty ideas of the day of today's filmmakers are absolutely not important! At least I cannot name at least one Russian film about the war that would not disappoint me. Each such "creation" is full of blunders, inaccuracies, inconsistencies, and often outright lies and inventions!
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 20 June 2013 12: 06
          +1
          See my links.
          1 amateur project
          2 people participate in the discussion
          3, the author points to the sources with which he works. I did not find the left.
    3. Anti
      Anti 20 June 2013 11: 14
      +5
      But there weren’t any 28 Panfilov’s !!!

      I found on one form: "It was, was not ... Baba Yaga and Ivan the Fool were not there either, but the image lives on. Because it is needed for education."
    4. viktorrymar
      viktorrymar 20 June 2013 11: 24
      +8
      And you come to us in Alma-Ata and say this to the descendants of these people.
      1. zennon
        zennon 20 June 2013 21: 21
        0
        Quote: viktorrymar
        And you come to us in Alma-Ata and say this to the descendants of these people.

        But they don’t know! By the way, I was born and lived in Frunze for 41 years. The316th Infantry Division was also formed in Kyrgyzstan. There is Panfilov Park, a monument to him.
    5. avt
      avt 20 June 2013 11: 26
      +6
      Quote: rafaelich
      But there weren’t any 28 Panfilov’s !!!

      The whole division was also composed of the 4th company. Moreover, the whole division was at war near Moscow, but for you this campaign is also Stalin-Surkov propaganda. But General Moroz won, they had already heard more than once from the Resunoids, the descendants of Goebels.
      1. cartridge
        cartridge 20 June 2013 11: 49
        +3
        Dear avt! I read the quote and, outraged, put a minus to you, and not to the provocateur - resunoid! I'm sorry! I'll fix it now! hi
        Already corrected the pros! Again hi
    6. Soviet_Union
      Soviet_Union 20 June 2013 11: 42
      +4
      Prove it. And read the history of the USSR.
      1. rafaelich
        rafaelich 20 June 2013 12: 37
        -7
        http://lurkmore.to/28_%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B2-%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1
        %84%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2
    7. tixon444
      tixon444 20 June 2013 11: 54
      +5
      Quote: rafaelich
      But there weren’t any 28 Panfilov’s !!!


      Of course did not have! There was no battle for Moscow, and there was no Great Patriotic War, and there were no soldiers killed for you either ... And you, rafaelich, were not there and never will be, but there is only dope and Mouzon like bam-bam bam.
    8. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 20 June 2013 13: 14
      +2
      how much was it? 20, 30 or 50. what's the difference - they stood to the end in the war against fascism, and not for the sake of awards.
      1. little man
        little man 20 June 2013 18: 01
        +1
        And that's right! I remembered the song - "At a nameless height".
        And there: "... only two of the eighteen guys remained for us."
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f-T5AUEUYg
    9. antibanukurayza
      antibanukurayza 20 June 2013 13: 19
      +5
      What does it matter to you whether they were or were not? Will it warm you up in the winter or cool down in the heat? In Almaty, the park of 28 Panfilovites is a favorite place not only for veterans, but also for young people. And no one arranges the "were / were" debates. The people believed in this at one time, their feat raised the morale of more than one soldier, the words of Klochkov were repeated by all the commanders and with these words they raised the soldiers, maybe in the last attack. And you "weren't." Oh you! When, right now, it is necessary to raise the patriotism of young people whose brains are attacked by Western ideology, you are portraying a historian here. Better keep quiet, maybe your son will watch a movie and ask about them, and you will tell him: "This is not true, but Ryan is true?"
    10. Homo
      Homo 20 June 2013 13: 41
      +3
      It's time to learn to read - a film about the EXPLOITATION of 28 Panfilov !!! The feat was definitely !!!
      1. Sinbad
        Sinbad 21 June 2013 13: 03
        +1
        It is time to stop these provocative rantings whether or not there was one or another feat of our soldiers. The feat was and this is beyond doubt, but what we do not yet know, to find out and convey to everyone. The Soviet slogan "Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten" must become a reality.
  12. Sochi
    Sochi 20 June 2013 10: 46
    +2
    I really want to see a real film about the war, and not just what was being filmed ... So that it would be truthful and scary, as it was in fact, and not pink snot and suffering in no way.
  13. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 20 June 2013 11: 13
    0
    Quote: seasoned
    Quote: soldat1945
    Can we finally be able to make a good film without the smelly three T comrade and twice Mr. Mikhalkov!

    From the news it is clear only that there is a scenario and they are looking for money. For 60 million rubles, there will be actors of the "2nd" plan, some extras and 1-2 plywood tanks. Nobody will go to the rental office to watch this. IMHO hi

    I would not say that. in terms of style, the film will look like 300 Spartans - which you can’t say is bad. that is, there will be a combination of computer graphics and acting. at least I liked the teaser
  14. viktorrymar
    viktorrymar 20 June 2013 11: 29
    +9
    This is the park of the 28 Panfilov Guardsmen in Almaty. Come to us and say that they were not there.
  15. White
    White 20 June 2013 11: 38
    +1
    Nobody understood the campaign - this is just an idea for a film of money. NO. The authors want to take the path that is currently gaining momentum in the gaming industry - crowdfunding. That is, ordinary people get a little money off for it, they will eventually receive some bonuses (going to the premiere for example). So if you want to see a movie about the exploit of 28 take off .
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 20 June 2013 11: 49
      +4
      by the way I threw 500ku
      https://boomstarter.ru/projects/36881/7472 помогаем народ
    2. biglow
      biglow 20 June 2013 15: 37
      +1
      Quote: White
      Nobody understood the campaign - this is just an idea for a film of money. NO. The authors want to take the path that is currently gaining momentum in the gaming industry - crowdfunding. That is, ordinary people get a little money off for it, they will eventually receive some bonuses (going to the premiere for example). So if you want to see a movie about the exploit of 28 take off .

      they collected the first million in the first day, people help and the movie will be
  16. imerkov
    imerkov 20 June 2013 12: 18
    +2
    Nikita Mikhalkov's film "Burnt by the Sun-2: The Citadel" caused a lot of discussion (with a budget of 34 million, he managed to collect at the box office only one and a half). Which, however, did not prevent him from becoming the event of the year. And now the picture has been nominated for an Oscar ...
    About the feat of 28 Panfilov’s film must be removed! Let them say whatever they like. It was - it was not, what a difference! This inspired the Soviet people at that critical time to mobilize the defense of the country! And the rest is no longer relevant. The chatter remained as it was. None of us were there, and as it was in fact, who knows. And to write and about .. to fool - a lot of mind is not necessary!
  17. waisson
    waisson 20 June 2013 12: 47
    +2
    God forbid and as it is, but without perversions today, grandfathers don’t forgive us for this
  18. Hort
    Hort 20 June 2013 13: 53
    +3
    Hmm ... what's stopping you from filming "Volokolamsk Highway"? Everything is described on a much larger scale, in the context of the division
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 20 June 2013 15: 49
      +1
      laziness, dullness and an attempt to cut down the loot on a raging episode where one of the heroes, to the delight of Wuhu matzah, turned out to be a traitor
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 20 June 2013 22: 08
      -1
      Quote: hort
      Hmm ... what's stopping you from filming "Volokolamsk Highway"? Everything is described on a much larger scale, in the context of the division

      In-in. I had the same thought when I read the news. In 1967, Kazakhs filmed a movie on Kazakhfilm based on "Volokolamskoye Shosse" - "Moscow is behind us", then in the 80s there was a two-part TV show - "Volokolamskoe Shosse", but it would be nice to shoot an updated version.
      The book "Volokolamsk Highway" is an amazing work. And certainly to show the feat of the entire division is better than promoting the muddy story with the 28 Panfilovites.
      For millions of people, Che Guevara is an idol. And for Guevara, the idol was Bauyrzhan Momyshuly - the hero of the book "Volokolamsk highway". And the book itself is a must-read for the officers of the Israeli and Cuban armies. In addition, B. Momyshuly was an honorary commander of one of the Cuban regiments. He's an amazing personality. As an elder, he led a battalion, then a regiment in the 8th Guards Rifle Division. This was a rarity even during the war - a senior officer. Moreover, he became a regiment commander only a month after he got to the front! And in 1945 he already commanded a division with the rank of colonel! His books on military science are studied even in US military universities.
      I am collecting information on the Panfilov division, and just recently I found a photo where the Panfilov men were sent parcels from Kazakhstan and among them a box with kazy horse sausage is perfectly visible! ))) Well, now it is clear where the Panfilovites had the forces of ten divisions))) Horse sausage is a secret weapon of Kazakhstan. At the last Olympics in London, our athletes all ate horse meat (and even brought them to Britain with them), that's why they took so much gold with their small numbers))) We had to give horse meat to all Soviet soldiers, then by the end of 1942 we would have just before Berlin would have reached. Or maybe ... to the Last Sea laughing
  19. scumpuzzle
    scumpuzzle 20 June 2013 14: 17
    0
    damn the author, even if I made a link for the fees to the main news https://boomstarter.ru/projects/36881/7472, it’s not a pity for a good deed :)
    I participated in the early days of which I wish everyone
  20. georg737577
    georg737577 20 June 2013 14: 33
    +5
    You shouldn't make a fantasy saga out of WWII. It is better to use this money to "digitize" and extract from the storerooms real newsreels of those years. I want to see the real faces of WWII warriors, they deserve to continue living, even on the screen. And when I watch modern "feature films", where often glamorous fagots try to portray people, even more so - soldiers, and also give all sorts of interviews about "the hard work of an actor (work in the mine, geek!) ...", I want to ask - Why scoff at the tragedy and feat of the people?
  21. Pimply
    Pimply 20 June 2013 14: 59
    -2
    Only in reality there were no 28 Panfilovites. And there was an essay invented by a journalist.

    The reality was tougher, worse, and much more heroic, although without such beautiful things as in this legend.
    testimony of the former commander of the 1075th Infantry Regiment I.V. Kaprov:
    ... There was no battle of 28 Panfilov’s with German tanks at the Dubosekovo junction on November 16, 1941 - this is a complete fiction. On this day, at the Dubosekovo junction as part of the 2nd battalion, the 4th company fought with German tanks, and really fought heroically. Over 100 people died from the company, and not 28, as was reported in the newspapers. None of the correspondents contacted me during this period; I never told anyone about the battle of 28 Panfilov’s, and I couldn’t speak, since there was no such battle. I did not write any political reports about this. I do not know on the basis of what materials they wrote in newspapers, in particular, in the Red Star, about the battle of 28 guardsmen from the division named after them. Panfilova. At the end of December 1941, when the division was set aside for formation, the correspondent of the Red Star Krivitsky came to me with the representatives of the political department of the division, Glushko and Egorov. Here I first heard about 28 Panfilov guardsmen. In a conversation with me, Krivitsky said that it was necessary that there were 28 Panfilov guards who fought with German tanks. I told him that the entire regiment, and especially the 4th company of the 2nd battalion, was fighting with German tanks, but I don’t know anything about the battle of the 28 guards ... Captain Gundilovich, who had conversations with him on this subject, gave the last name to Krivitsky, there were no documents about the battle of 28 Panfilov’s regiments and could not be. Nobody asked me about the names. Subsequently, after lengthy clarification of the names, it was only in April 1942 that ready-made award sheets and a general list of 28 guardsmen were sent to my regiment for signature from the division headquarters. I signed these sheets for awarding the 28 Guardsmen the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. I did not know who initiated the compilation of the list and award sheets for 28 guardsmen.
    1. scumpuzzle
      scumpuzzle 20 June 2013 15: 07
      0
      Was he personally on this sector of the front and observed everything with his own eyes? where is the guarantee that this is not another fiction? I personally want to believe in the heroism of our defenders of the fatherland, and I also want to make a film that will not be boring to watch the younger generation about the great feat of those years. newsreels, etc. schoolchildren will not watch, or a very small part of them, and a film made in this style is quite
      1. zennon
        zennon 20 June 2013 22: 39
        +2
        Quote: scumpuzzle
        I personally want to believe in the heroism of our defenders of the fatherland ...

        Mikhail Ilarionovich Kutuzov had an adjutant, Colonel Ivan Mikhailovich Ushakov, a very worthy officer. But he only liked to exaggerate trophies, victories, prisoners in his report ... When he was caught, he said: "I want to win quickly!" ...
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 20 June 2013 23: 17
        +2
        Quote: scumpuzzle
        Was he personally on this sector of the front and observed everything with his own eyes?

        here you are a strange person ... You do not believe the commander of the regiment in which "28 Panfilov's men" served, and who fought with his soldiers in those days, and miraculously survived, but you do not believe journalist Krivitsky, who was not on the front line, on the contrary ...
        You do not believe the conclusions of the USSR military prosecutor’s office, but you believe the authors of the Moscow anthem.

        No one here is trying to humiliate Panfilov’s or sympathize with the Germans or liberals. A matter of principle. I understand why this myth was needed in the winter of 1941/1942, but why should this myth be fed today, leaving the real heroes of the Panfilov Division in the shadow? You need to name the names of the Panfilovites, who were represented to the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, but never received them? But at the same time, we continue to glorify some fighters who turned out to be traitors. But their names were lucky, as Krivitsky wrote them for the newspaper. It might be better to make a film not about Daniil Kozhubergenov and Dobrobabin, but about the battalion commander / regiment of Momyshuly or the sniper of Panfilov’s division Tuleugali Abdybekov, who killed 397 Germans. Despite numerous representations of the Golden Stars, the Soviet authorities did not give them (Momyshuly received it already after his death - under Gorbachev in 1990, although he was introduced back in 1942, Abdybekov did not wait for the high rank of Hero of the USSR, although he takes 18th place in ranking of the best WWII snipers). Maybe it’s better to glorify them?
    2. Melchakov
      Melchakov 20 June 2013 15: 19
      -6
      Quote: Pimply
      composition invented by a journalist.

      Exactly. What you wrote is an essay invented by a journalist. good
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 20 June 2013 15: 38
        +4
        in general, this is the result of an investigation by the military prosecutor's office.
    3. Russ69
      Russ69 20 June 2013 15: 49
      +1
      Quote: Pimply
      Only in reality there were no 28 Panfilovites. And there was an essay invented by a journalist.

      There was, was not, to argue on this topic as it is not a hunt.
      Another important thing is that such films are needed. And not "Penal Battles" and Mikhalkov's epics.
      I also translated yesterday ...
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 20 June 2013 15: 57
        0
        and who gave a guarantee that this is not "Penal Battles" and Mikhalkov's epics will be?
  22. Russ69
    Russ69 20 June 2013 15: 44
    -1
    Quote: Per se.
    A man makes copies of tanks in his garden, a whole collection, a museum. Is it really impossible for a movie to order at the industrial level technology appropriate to history?

    As it was a report, or about this craftsman, or about another. But he said during an interview that he had already been rented for filming something.
  23. Stas57
    Stas57 20 June 2013 15: 46
    +5
    so passions boil.
    I give a number of opinions
    Mr. Pernavsky, publisher of books, Tactical Press (those that are the world of tanks)

    1. This is a myth, and the story of its creation is known.
    2. After his exposure at the end of the 40, they tried to merge him, but in the 60 he surfaced again.
    3. The history of this myth is dirty.
    4. This, of course, will be used by dirty tricks of all stripes.
    5. The creators of the film, however, clung to this myth and want only it.
    6. This myth obscures thousands of real stories worthy of adaptation and description.
    7. Not a penny for the hack. Down with the new "Soldiers of Freedom".
    8. To make a film based on this myth is the same as filming the myths about the bloody SMERSH or angels from penal battles.


    http://sirjones.livejournal.com/1770220.html


    A Dyukov, historian
    Yes, I completely agree.
    http://a-dyukov.livejournal.com/1329200.html
    Mega-doctor about the film about 28 Panfilovites (look what is going on in my previous post; sirjones have even cooler) surprisingly reminds me of the controversy about "SS Hauptsturmführer Roman Shukhevych". Shukhevych did not have such a title, which is well known to everyone interested. But at the same time, some anti-fascists have at least a stake on their heads - they still voice deliberate lies about the Hauptsturmführer over and over again. They want it so much. And Shukhevych's admirers are only glad: thanks to the presence of a deliberate lie, one can imagine the data on the real crimes of Shukhevych and Co. as "false". Having lied once, who will believe you?

    Here is the same trouble with the film. The creators want only myth, only hardcore. And how much dirt will be taken away after that the opponents will bring down the history of the Great Patriotic War, and how much a shock for the student will be to learn that the feat he saw is a lie; which means that there were no feats, all this is propaganda, but there were only penal battalions and detachments - and so, the creators of the film don't give a damn about it.

    UPD. The best, in my opinion, commentary: Citizens seem to mistake simple unprincipledness for cool political technology. Heard somewhere about "mythology" and its "construction", but they think that it all comes down to "let's take it, but let's lie". The main quality of an ideal victim of a wiring is not naivety, but just such a simple cunning and confidence that everyone else simply "did not think of a brilliant scheme in one move."

    http://a-dyukov.livejournal.com/1329446.html?page=2

    Dmitry Shein, historian, author of works on tanks
    I will repeat to you, it’s not difficult for me: agitation should not crumble to dust from a collision with the first page of Google. People want to believe in the reality of what they see on the screen. And if the screen reality of the well-known heroic myth does not withstand a collision with real reality, then this is not just a "creative failure", it is a blow to the audience's perception of the world.
    That is why they repeat to you and you (filmmakers) - do not touch this particular myth, make a film about the battles at Ilyinsky! - but no, "Cinema must be propaganda propaganda, otherwise it is worthless. I say it like a filmmaker" (c), and then long philosophical reasoning at a broken trough: why do we have a patriotic movie that is not held in high esteem, in a corral, not pays off?

    http://a-dyukov.livejournal.com/1329446.html?thread=35077670#t35077670

    And Isaev, a historian
    In general, I repeat: a film about this episode is wrecking and expanding the circle of people who know about the investigation, the Shutsman and others like him. Zhurny will drag fried masses to the masses for an informational occasion. Do we really need this?
    http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/arhprint/2490244
    1. Oksana
      Oksana 20 June 2013 16: 19
      +3
      On Sunday, my husband and his grandson go to the park of 28 Panfilovites, the grandson calls the "park of soldiers". They will feed the pigeons, enter the church (on the territory of the park there is a huge, Orthodox Cathedral). The grandson will climb over cannons and guns, put his dandelions among the roses Eternal Fire! Then so many emotions! Now, what should he "EXPLAIN" ??? - What is this park of MYTHS !!! ??? !!! am
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 20 June 2013 16: 34
        +1
        no, just tell about glorious deeds the whole division.
        why only about 28, the rest that fought badly?
        grows up, he himself will understand, if he is interested, but not interested, then it’s not necessary
      2. zennon
        zennon 20 June 2013 23: 00
        +1
        Quote: Oksana
        On Sunday, my husband and his grandson go to the park of 28 Panfilovites, the "park of soldiers" - the grandson calls it so. Now, what should he "EXPLAIN" ??? - What is this park of MYTHS !!! ??? !!! am

        And what to do? There were two scribblers in Krasnaya Zvezda. The secretary of the newspaper Krivitsky and the correspondent Koroteev. They invented this propaganda from their heads. They themselves did not sit in the trenches, but they wanted glory. On the greatest tragedy, on the bones of soldiers, but glory ! In 47 year, a traitor was tried, who deserted to the Germans. He served them. When he was arrested, he got a book about "28 Panfilovites". And he is one of them !!! He was awarded the title of GSS LOST! That's when the prosecutor's office got interested in this case and that's it. untwisted ...
  24. serjant4
    serjant4 20 June 2013 15: 53
    -1
    Quote: rafaelich
    But there weren’t any 28 Panfilov’s !!!

    WAS !!!!!!! still say that the amers in the Second World War won ....
  25. serjant4
    serjant4 20 June 2013 16: 06
    -2
    oh, minus one got thank you, you are a real "patriot" ... learn history
  26. pensioner
    pensioner 20 June 2013 16: 14
    +2
    Let them take it off, if only they would not distinguish themselves. due to inconsistencies ...
  27. individual
    individual 20 June 2013 16: 22
    +2
    Launch at the box office of a film about 28 Panflowers — returning Russia to the truth of the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR, the truth about the GREAT DEATH OF THE SOVIET PEOPLE.
    The time of whistlers with false voices, paid for by the enemy propaganda of the "West" about the USSR, our exploits and victories, is passing.
  28. Gahprom
    Gahprom 20 June 2013 18: 23
    +3
    Quote: wasjasibirjac
    how much was it? 20, 30 or 50. what's the difference - they stood to the end in the war against fascism, and not for the sake of awards.

    Quote: tixon444
    Of course it wasn’t! There was no battle for Moscow, and there was no Great Patriotic War, and there were no soldiers killed for you either ... And you, rafaelich, were not there and never will be, but there is only dope and Mouzon like bam-bam bam.

    What do you care if they were or were not?

    I personally want to believe in the heroism of our defenders of the fatherland,


    It's time to learn to read - a film about the EXPLOITATION of 28 Panfilov !!! The feat was definitely !!!

    Yes, of course, it's all the little things and all the garbage, that-
    Dobrobabin, on the pages of an essay heroically throwing himself under a tank with a bunch of grenades - did not fall, but appeared in police officers, was convicted and served time, was deprived of the GSS *. And Aliaskar Kozhabergenov arrived in the division after November 16, 1941. And Ivan Natarov died two days before the battle on November 16, 1941. Now try to tear off the heroically deceased Klochkov from the equally heroically dead Dobrobabin, Kozhabergenov and Natarov , which is generally indicated as the source of the whole story - like, dying in a hospital from wounds, he told all the details of the battle.
    how disgusting when, in a patriotic frenzy, like this at a time, people move heroes as they please, whether it's an article, whether it's a movie, whether it's a forum.
    You’re the main thing, let’s loot, all as one, loot on patriots is good money, they are not friends with the head,

    *
    Dobrobabin, Ivan Evstafievich
    Dobrobabin, by the verdict of the Military Tribunal of the Kiev Military District on June 8, 1948, was sentenced to 15 years of imprisonment, with a loss of rights for five years, confiscation of property and deprivation of medals "For the Defense of Moscow", "For the victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941 —1945 ”,“ For the Capture of Vienna ”and“ For the Capture of Budapest ”; By a decree of the Presidium of the USSR Armed Forces of February 11, 1949, he was stripped of the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. In connection with the amnesty in honor of the 10th anniversary of the Victory, the determination of the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR of March 30, 1955, the sentence was changed, the sentence was reduced to 7 years in prison, after which he was released after serving his sentence. After that, he moved to Tsimlyansk to his brother Daniel, was in charge of a photo studio.
    In 1988, he filed a petition for his rehabilitation, indicating that although he served in the German police, he had not committed any criminal acts in this post. However, on August 17, 1989, based on the conclusion of the Chief Military Prosecutor's Office, rehabilitation was refused
    http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=6518


    Ps, Someone shed blood for the GSS, and someone like that, serving in the police, but the main thing you dear members of the forum believe, believe, that "what's the difference" that you will get a decent movie, for which you gave money, believe into the mantras of your secluded world. Such non-thinking machines, people who "what's the difference", people who do not know the history of their country, people who do not care where feat and where betrayal are, are always needed, it is convenient to fool Dom2 or something else, they will eat everything. The main thing is to "believe" in the feat, not to "know", but to "believe", because knowledge is work, it must be read, there are such a few who know, the rest believe, dismissing the truth.

    PPP. in vain you instructed the man of the minuses, he is right, the correspondent invented everything, because he urinated on the front line to go, it’s more convenient to do rear heroes from the traitors
  29. VOLCHOXURAL
    VOLCHOXURAL 20 June 2013 19: 09
    +1
    Quote: Sochi
    To be truthful and scary

    And I, for example, never having been in hot spots, after watching the 9th company, I looked at a whole bunch of videos from the places of real battles, and I did not see such torments, constant tantrums and other sobs (like in the 9th company)! !! request Rather, on the contrary - I was surprised by the "everydayness" of the reigning atmosphere! All external manifestations about what was happening around were reduced to rare indignations in the form of short, obscene curses and nothing more. The problem with our "real" cinema is that both directors and actors overplay a lot! (By the way, a well-known Western director said this in an interview recently on TV) They play theater on the set! Which shouldn't be in the movie. yes And this theatricality is striking, and in my opinion it often spoils films! Sometimes turning them into a real psychological darkness! (As in the same company and other similar) No. The films closest to reality, psychologically speaking, are "Thunderstorm Gate" for example, and by the way, "Saving Private Ryan" is also quite.
  30. Tao
    Tao 20 June 2013 19: 23
    +4
    They say there were more than 28 people and not all of them died - 6-8 people survived. As for the film of 60 million, with groans, like: there is not so much technology, you cannot bring out the crowd of first-class actors ... Actually, it is not necessary! - only 1 is needed! tank + 10 people for the Germans. Digitize everyone through a computer, and there is even an army of 500 tanks. IMHO, the best thing is to call the real warriors of the military, instead of "stars". :)

    It is time to return the feat and pride of the Russian people. This is terribly boyazzo our enemies, both external and internal. The time has come to advance!
  31. scumpuzzle
    scumpuzzle 20 June 2013 19: 37
    +1
    Because 28 heroes included in the legend is not a myth for the sake of myth. Based on this feat, the soldiers strengthened their spirits for new battles, fought even when it became unbearable.

    And the following generations fought with their own cowardice and weakness, relying on the feat of 28 Panfilov’s.

    A hero who goes into legend is sometimes credited with extra virtues and removed with excessive flaws. The hero no longer belongs to himself - he belongs to the people.



    http://petrovchik.livejournal.com/107181.html
    every word to the point!
    1. Gahprom
      Gahprom 20 June 2013 19: 50
      0
      Quote: scumpuzzle
      every word to the point!

      with the exception of this phrase-
      Nobody refuted the fact of the tank attacks of the Germans at the Dubosekovo junction on November 16, 1941.
      Nor is it denied that it was in this direction that the Germans delivered the main blow on this day.
      ,,, died, stopping the enemy tank attacks.
      I would advise you not to read it, but to independently look for the answer to this question, with the direction of the main attacks and the location of the Soviet and German troops, otherwise the author wrote for a long time, or not in the subject.
      There are plenty of good books on this period.
      moreover, there is in the public domain an authentic map of battles with a main attack and the location of the Soviet troops, look, this is very interesting, I assure you.
  32. mithridate
    mithridate 20 June 2013 20: 07
    +1
    need to shoot more patriotic paintings, revive the national spirit