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The United States wants to Siberia ...

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If at the time of the phrase "attractive Siberia" might have seemed like a certain author's mockery, then today it looks quite normal. The attractiveness, of course, lies in the potentials that the Siberian regions of Russia possess. Calling things by their own names, we can confidently say that the reserves that are in the Siberian subsoil is a real storeroom, which not only Russian oligarchs would like to have a hand in (they already managed to arrange the Siberian business in all respects), but and interested foreign representatives. The Siberian potentials are great not only because it is in the bowels of the earth, but the geographical location of the macro-region is a short way to deliver energy to China - as an example.




If we consider Greater Siberia as an association of the Siberian and Far Eastern federal districts, then this is a truly colossal area of ​​11,3 million square kilometers in size. This is about two thirds of the total area of ​​the Russian Federation. With such impressive spaces, as they would say in Soviet times, almost equal to 18 to France, the population of this macro-region is only about 25,5 million people. At the same time, there are territories that, a priori, are capable of giving the country hundreds of thousands of new jobs, but for a long period of time they have not been able to be truly mastered. And if you also pay attention to the process of natural population decline, which, for example, is observed in the Far Eastern Federal District, the situation seems to be threatening. The vast territories actually remain ownerless, which, sooner or later, can lead to irreversible consequences.

Among such consequences can be called the desire of many international "partners" to seize the Siberian and Far Eastern resources and territories in order to extract from this enormous profits that are unlikely to at least partially replenish the Russian state treasury. And it is hardly worth today to believe that no future struggle for the resources of Siberia is foreseen in the future. Energy sources each year acquire a special meaning, and their value can not be overestimated. From the level of economic regulator of the economy in various regions of the world, they managed to turn into an instrument of political struggle: Iraq and Libya are vivid examples of this. In this regard, the development of the Siberian and Far Eastern regions of Russia ceases to be the usual phrase on duty, and goes to the level of objectively necessary state strategy.

Recently, Western politicians often have the comments of politicians that if Russia itself is not ready to use the Siberian potentials effectively, then the foreign “partners” are ready to help us with this. In some cases, the wording is sound and much more open. In particular, information from representatives of the American establishment not so long ago came that Siberia is, say, a global treasure, a planetary storeroom. It would seem that this is a real compliment, but compliments of this kind give the clear desire of foreign "comrades" to get closer to the untold resources with which Siberia is rich. First, the wealth is “global”, then the wealth of “democracy” with all the consequences in the form of opposition to the Russian “anti-democratic regime, oppressing Siberian and Far Eastern small nations.” The main thing - to throw a hook with a bait, and there already and before collection of adherents of realization of the enchanting idea not far.

After the published data by the US Energy Information Administration (EIA) that Russia still holds the first place in the world in terms of so-called shale oil reserves, the interest of foreign partners in the Siberian territories, where shale oil reserves prevail, manifested itself with a new force. The same EIA submitted documents, according to which Russia is located only on the 10 site in the world in terms of shale gas reserves. Honestly, it is not entirely clear by what criteria American experts evaluated hydrocarbon reserves in our country (or consultants from the Russian state-owned companies continue to work, for example, from the CIA ...), but immediately after the publication of such data, oil prices began to creep up. 19 June was marked by the price, which was fixed in early April. Shares of the Russian oil industry, too, crawled up. Did the guys from EIA decide to make our oil magnates happy by arranging such an effective informational holiday for them?

However, the information about the first place of Russia in shale oil reserves eventually acquired a slightly different shade. EIA said that about 75% of 90 billion barrels of shale oil are located in Western Siberia, and Russia simply cannot extract the lion's share of this oil, since the country does not have the appropriate technology. At the same time, experts from the United States opaquely hinted that if someone extracts this oil and succeeds, it is only from American companies that, what are called shale hydrocarbons, have eaten a dog. The hint is clear: if not the United States, then forget, Russia, about your innumerable treasures, and therefore call on the star-striped "brother" who will "help" in an instant to get billions of barrels of energy from the Siberian depths. Whether water hammering, water hammering - it does not matter ... They will come to Siberia and take everything to the last drop.

Well, here, as they say, who would doubt ... Only now who will give? Or do representatives of our oil companies together with government officials have a different opinion? Maybe there is also discussed the issue of our inferiority and inability to dispose of the designated resources without outside help.

By the way, the Russian side still does not confirm the presence of almost 70 billion barrels of shale oil in Western Siberia. And if it does not confirm, then the American "friends" will try to convince Moscow that this is exactly so many billions, and that, no matter how badly, you can’t do without an American drill. And whether there are these gigabarreli or not - is a completely different история. The main task of foreign mining companies is clearly associated with attempts to consolidate on the Siberian fields, the volumes of which are large even without taking into account the shale segment.

Whatever it was, but it is high time for Russia to lead its informational attacks on energy fronts, and not to forget that the development of Big Siberia (Siberia together with the Far East) should turn from a “paper dove” into a real project with real deadlines for implementation and real figures of the cost of this implementation. After all, often it is the information component, multiplied by deliberate actions - an effective tool for the implementation of the plans. It remains to hope that the plans of the Russian authorities coincide with the interests of the majority of Russians regarding the development of Siberia ... And if foreign companies are invited, then on such conditions that would be beneficial not for a handful of oligarchs with a bureaucratic top, but for the entire macroregion.
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  1. Garrin
    Garrin 20 June 2013 07: 11 New
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    The United States wants to Siberia ...

    Honestly, the "Wishlist" Amerovskaya grows prohibitively and grows to indecent dimensions.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 20 June 2013 07: 19 New
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      Quote: Garrin
      Honestly, the "Wishlist" Amerovskaya is growing prohibitively

      Igor, hi ! It was originally of their exorbitant size. Only they don’t understand how, the more Wishlist the less chance they miss.
      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 20 June 2013 07: 29 New
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        Quote: Garrin
        The United States wants to Siberia ...

        It's simple.




        For English speakers with translation:

        1. Kolya
          Kolya 20 June 2013 09: 51 New
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          American business didn’t go anywhere; it left an ecological disaster everywhere. The population of those places usually pays for the restoration of nature from their own pockets, and the expenses exceed all incomes from managing the Americans. Why do you think American companies are rich? - Precisely because they throw everyone!
          1. cartridge
            cartridge 20 June 2013 10: 16 New
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            The United States wants to Siberia ...


            Please, but only as prisoners of war! laughing
            1. _Forgiven_
              _Forgiven_ 20 June 2013 13: 17 New
              +4
              Let them go to Siberia to build a second branch of BAM!) Only under such conditions!
              1. stroporez
                stroporez 21 June 2013 09: 09 New
                +1
                in .......... polar railway. along the southern coast of the Arctic Ocean .............
            2. Genady1976
              Genady1976 20 June 2013 18: 49 New
              +3
              Do not take prisoner am destroy on the spot
            3. ildar335
              ildar335 21 June 2013 10: 50 New
              0
              Yes!)))
              welcome to logging!
          2. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 20 June 2013 16: 31 New
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            Quote: Kohl
            American business didn’t go anywhere; it left an ecological disaster everywhere. The population of those places usually pays for the restoration of nature from their own pockets, and the expenses exceed all incomes from managing the Americans. Why do you think American companies are rich? - Precisely because they throw everyone!

            Well, Canada has harnessed for us! drinks
          3. nerd.su
            nerd.su 20 June 2013 20: 14 New
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            Quote: Kohl
            American business didn’t go anywhere; it left an ecological disaster everywhere.

            If we compare oil production, then the American companies for arranging infrastructure, disposing of waste, flaring associated gas, and appearance, in the end, are not at all dangerous in comparison with most Russian companies.
            The shale oil extraction technology itself is another matter. I would have sent the Americans to her for the time being, let them first bring everything to mind in their states.
            1. Egen
              Egen 21 June 2013 09: 16 New
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              Quote: bot.su
              If we compare oil production, then American companies ... are generally not dangerous compared to most Russian companies.

              Sergey, I don’t understand, in what sense and about what? In the North, they work with us, which Tykan encountered, all sorts of BP and Shell and other little things. All of this they have at a higher level than ours - again, I came across with whom, but accordingly their services are more expensive.
              ... but still, mostly Russians work there, with all the problems: they caught drivers on thieves' diesel fuel. DTs are delivered to the facility past the checkpoint, drivers fill the kamazs to the eyeballs, drive out, empty, drive back in with empty tanks - and so 1l went for changing to 1000 :) And we think that they have such high costs! :))
              Quote: bot.su
              The shale oil extraction technology itself is another matter. I would have sent the Americans with her until xer, let everything in my states first bring everything to mind

              Sergei, I didn’t understand this technology already .. For years, why do you think it has not been brought up, purely professionally interesting, please explain your idea
        2. _Forgiven_
          _Forgiven_ 20 June 2013 13: 16 New
          +2
          It’s called Figw, and the Ball presented it perfectly)))
        3. knn54
          knn54 20 June 2013 19: 20 New
          +1
          ... And not "Kemsk volost".
          - From a dead donkey's ears. Get it from Pushkin. Goodbye, defective.
          PS Along the way, they want to cut off China from resources ...
      2. KILLAvolt
        KILLAvolt 20 June 2013 09: 19 New
        +5
        So not long and the face will crack! fellow Bang bang !!
    2. domokl
      domokl 20 June 2013 07: 26 New
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      The Wishlist is growing simply because the Russian Wishlist for the development of the region is being realized only in words. It is correctly written both about our open spaces, and about the number of us here ... And if you remove those living along the Trans-Siberian Railway, then it generally turns out that a hundred thousand people live per square km ...
      1. YARY
        YARY 20 June 2013 07: 36 New
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        Sasha, good afternoon.
        "But tebe have speed?
        "Yeah, but troch to sebe!"
        This is ours and our grandchildren, and letting the children out and not get it.
        1. domokl
          domokl 20 June 2013 07: 44 New
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          Quote: Ardent
          This is ours and our grandchildren, and letting the children out and not get it.

          Greetings, Andrey! And who is against? I’m stout and stupid ... And we don’t really like strangers.
          I just want to. So that we would not only remember Siberia when we need to get something out of here, dig something out, get it ... But we don’t forget about the fact that we live here. If we protect this land, we should raise it and develop. Stop treating Siberia as a bag of money ...
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 20 June 2013 12: 20 New
            +5
            Quote: domokl
            Quote: Ardent
            This is ours and our grandchildren, and letting the children out and not get it.

            Greetings, Andrey! And who is against? I’m stout and stupid ... And we don’t really like strangers.
            I just want to. So that we would not only remember Siberia when we need to get something out of here, dig something out, get it ... But we don’t forget about the fact that we live here. If we protect this land, we should raise it and develop. Stop treating Siberia as a bag of money ...

            Actually, it’s not “to defend the land”, but to mother Russia. And then we’ll agree so that each of our land will defend-Krasnodar, Stavropol, Moscow region ... I hope, just a reservation came out. hi
      2. Atlon
        Atlon 20 June 2013 10: 40 New
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        Quote: domokl
        Wishlist is growing simply because the Russian Wishlist for the development of the region is only verbally realized.

        So it’s so ... But who of you, REALLY, would go to live and work in Siberia? Not just on the "hapan", they earn some money, but on completely? For permanent residence? Come on, who is ready to go put a plus, who is not ready, put a minus. So let's see! Otherwise, they talk much ... And they prefer to live around Moscow (who was "not lucky" to settle in it themselves), or at least from the western border to the Volga.
        1. volkodav
          volkodav 20 June 2013 10: 47 New
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          born grew up and live in Siberia. And who doesn’t come to us, he will bring a stalypin laughing
        2. avant-garde
          avant-garde 20 June 2013 11: 11 New
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          Quote: Atlon
          But who of you, REALLY, would go to live and work in Siberia?

          Born and raised in Omsk !!! Generally a strange question what. Or do you also think that here the land and climate are not suitable for life ???? And I don’t need Moscow for nothing, it would be possible to disown her, so that she doesn’t go to work so my legs wouldn’t be there !!!
          1. Atlon
            Atlon 20 June 2013 11: 48 New
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            Quote: avant-garde
            Or do you also think that here the land and climate are not suitable for life ????

            Well no! What do you! Not in this case. It’s just that the reality is that everything is centered. Are your indigenous people leaving too? Why? Although, the answer is obvious ... Infrastructure is needed. Roads, airports. Whatever living in Siberia, do not feel isolated from the country. And it’s better to establish a capital there. I once suggested, here, at the VO, to make the capital in Turukhansk. The very center of the country, from all borders.
            1. avant-garde
              avant-garde 20 June 2013 12: 22 New
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              Quote: Atlon
              Roads, airports. Whatever living in Siberia, do not feel isolated from the country.

              Well, roads are an eternal problem not only in Siberia, but throughout the country.
              I do not feel torn away for 3 hours and I am in Moscow, 6,5 hours and I in Khabarovsk, 4 hours I am in Sochi, 4,5 hours I am in Kaliningrad. Where is isolation from the country? The only problem with the airport is that it’s not possible to fly in all directions with a direct flight, but now they’re building a new one. The shops you want are all the same as in Moscow. And people are traveling because of the money, they promise to pay 40-60 tons, and people are going on (although I personally would go to the north more money than in Moscow and calmer) without thinking that half of this money will go to housing and get the same amount how much could receive in Omsk. Therefore, I do not see any obstacles to live and work in Siberia. I’m talking specifically about Omsk.
              1. cumastra1
                cumastra1 20 June 2013 14: 04 New
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                What really scares is not the American Wishlist, but the isolation of Siberia from the rest of Russia. Such an attitude "to live is impossible, but one can earn" is permissible only with respect to the colonies. Just remember the main property of the colonies - the property of gaining independence. And now many are already asking the question - why are our gas, metal, nickel, gold, diamonds being divided in Moscow, and not locally? At the same time, national unity fades into the background. Partly due to the federal structure, but to a much greater extent due to the lack of patriotic education. If the center will stand turning to Siberia in the same place as now, it will get horseradish in this very place (for those who check: horseradish is a vegetable), and it will burn. Infrastructure, work, transport - these are the three whales that should live in Siberia.
                From my own example - 25 years ago, for my small salary, I flew to Vladivostok and to Moscow and Kiev, and in Sochi. And now I’m trying to get a big salary in a reserved seat. I believe that this is a deliberate sabotage against Russia. Separate the regions and hostility such a thing, it will grow itself - just water it.
                1. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 20 June 2013 14: 51 New
                  +4
                  Quote: cumastra1
                  From my own example - 25 years ago, on my small salary, I flew to Vladivostok and to Moscow

                  Verno. 1989 year ticket for the plane Irkutsk-Moscow 83 rubles, ticket for the coupe for the train Irkutsk-Moscow 45 rubles. I had 280 rubles at that time (I just started working as a master after graduation).
                  1. jjj
                    jjj 20 June 2013 21: 09 New
                    0
                    Worked in the "box", go?
                  2. Captain45
                    Captain45 20 June 2013 22: 18 New
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                    Quote: baltika-18
                    Verno. 1989 year ticket for the plane Irkutsk-Moscow 83 rubles, ticket for the coupe for the train Irkutsk-Moscow 45 rubles. I had 280 rubles at that time (I just started working as a master after graduation).

                    I agree that in the 80's, dockers from the Dudinsky seaport, Rudar from Norilsk flew to Moscow for a weekend to drink beer or hang out in a tavern for a weekend. In the morning in Alykel, on a plane, because of the time difference in 4 hours, in the morning in Moscow, we pulled back and in the evening on a plane. And now so that with a family of 4 people go on vacation to the "mainland" and back to the 80 circle, a thousand tickets go out. Read all the holidays. The golden times of long northern rubles have ended.
                2. old man54
                  old man54 20 June 2013 17: 48 New
                  +4
                  Quote: cumastra1
                  Just remember the main property of the colonies - the property of gaining independence. At the same time, national unity fades into the background. Partly due to the federal structure, but to a much greater extent due to the lack of patriotic education. If the center will stand turning to Siberia in the same place as now, it will get horseradish in this very place.

                  And what do you think, the attitude of the Kremlin to the rest of Russia, not only Siberia, or something else :))) You drive away for 100 km from Muscovy and you will litter everything! how you immediately get to another country. The policy towards all of Russia is purely colonial, to steal, to take out, and there at least the traffic is not growing. As a result, it will be, as you write, only cooler. A few years ago I talked with relatively young guys, about 25 years old, Siberians and was amazed at their indifference to this process. They generally said that "they would drop a bomb with a special charge on Moscow so that it would not smell anymore!" Here is such an attitude to this city today and the fact that it symbolizes among many Siberians!
                  And now many are already asking the question - why are our gas, metal, nickel, gold, diamonds being divided in Moscow, and not locally?

                  A very logical question, do not you think so? Or do you think all fools live here? :)) We seem to be all the same in Russia, like everything is common here, but for some reason Moscow is "madly mad with fat", and everything else that is not Moscow, especially the countryside, sometimes erases very meager existence. If it’s bad now with the economy in the country, it should be bad everywhere, the same way, right? But for some reason, one city dominates, pulling together the entire "blanket of the country on it alone," and all the rest you want. At the same time, wealth is used specifically in other territories, not Moscow, but all the benefits there! Or is Moscow worth oil, like the Emirates, or gold and alamza under this city? At whose expense is the banquet then?
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 21 June 2013 01: 42 New
                    +1
                    “What do you think, the Kremlin’s attitude to the rest of Russia, not only Siberia, or something else :))) You’ll drive away all 100 km from Muscovy! You’re getting into another country right away. Politics is purely colonial to the whole of Russia, to steal , take out, and there at least the trunk is not growing "

                    You’re carrying some kind of crap, I'm sorry, there’s no difference except for traffic jams and overpopulation.
                  2. poquello
                    poquello 21 June 2013 02: 00 New
                    +1
                    "At the same time, wealth is used specifically from other territories, not Moscow, but all the best there!"

                    Here from this place in more detail.
                  3. cumastra1
                    cumastra1 21 June 2013 18: 10 New
                    +3
                    Unfortunately, I can’t leave 100 km from Moskvabad, because I live in Siberia;)
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 21 June 2013 18: 58 New
                      +1
                      Quote: cumastra1
                      Unfortunately, I can’t leave 100 km from Moskvabad, because I live in Siberia;)


                      I live 200 km from Moscow, periodically appear in Moscow, communicate with people - I haven’t found any benefits. This means that, in my subjective opinion, a person declaring about benefits and 100km is TRACKER.
                      1. old man54
                        old man54 22 June 2013 20: 07 New
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                        Quote: poquello
                        I live 200 km from Moscow, periodically appear in Moscow, communicate with people - I haven’t found any benefits. This means that, in my subjective opinion, a person declaring about benefits and 100km is TRACKER.

                        for "trepach" you can get in a petak! Wipe your eyes, he doesn’t see anything in Moscow, damn it!
                      2. poquello
                        poquello 22 June 2013 22: 07 New
                        +1
                        Quote: old man54
                        Quote: poquello
                        I live 200 km from Moscow, periodically appear in Moscow, communicate with people - I haven’t found any benefits. This means that, in my subjective opinion, a person declaring about benefits and 100km is TRACKER.

                        for "trepach" you can get in a petak! Wipe your eyes, he doesn’t see anything in Moscow, damn it!


                        Also crazy, well, list the benefits.
          2. redwar6
            redwar6 20 June 2013 12: 24 New
            +3
            As for the center of the country, I agree, absolutely.
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            1. Atlon
              Atlon 20 June 2013 13: 13 New
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              Quote: yak69
              But Siberia, the very thing - the climate heals.

              And only statesmen will go. Those who settled on the ruble are unlikely to go, and wives will resist. Moreover, there is a positive experience, Astana. Let Moscow be the financial capital, cultural Peter, Sochi tourist, and the political capital should be done in the geographical center. And to build, plan from scratch, for the prospect of a couple of hundreds of years. With avenues, government roads, housing, etc.
              1. old man54
                old man54 20 June 2013 17: 33 New
                +2
                Quote: Atlon
                And only statesmen will go. Those who settled on the ruble are unlikely to go, and wives will resist.

                why are these 3,14 doraces from the ruble here? here you look, and the chance will be to clean the government of the dirt, although it is unlikely ... Jews are afraid to transfer the capital here. :))
            2. Semen Semyonitch
              Semen Semyonitch 20 June 2013 16: 12 New
              +2
              yak69 (2) SU Today, 12:51 ↑
              And the mentality of the inhabitants of the capital does not contribute to the revival of great Russia - everyone strives to lie under the geyropa.
              The mentality of the capital? Are you a specialist in "mentality"? It’s metropolitan or in general? Do you personally know a lot of “metropolitan” residents to draw such conclusions? Judging by the swamp scum, and by the homosexuals who have come from all over the country, then the price is worthless to you. In any case, in my circle of friends who want to, “lie under the geyropu” is not observed.
              1. old man54
                old man54 20 June 2013 17: 30 New
                +5
                Quote: Semen Semenych
                yak69 (2) SU Today, 12:51 ↑
                Do you personally know a lot of “metropolitan” residents to draw such conclusions?

                Yes, we know enough! not all of course potential homosexuals, but people are usually rotten. And do not be offended, the truth is normal men do not take offense! From my youth I did not understand why it is neither in the army, nor where it is difficult, nor where the Muscovites ... they don’t like Lei !? Over the years I understood. :(
                1. Semen Semyonitch
                  Semen Semyonitch 20 June 2013 23: 41 New
                  -2
                  Quote: old man54
                  Quote: Semen Semenych
                  yak69 (2) SU Today, 12:51 ↑
                  Do you personally know a lot of “metropolitan” residents to draw such conclusions?

                  Yes, we know enough! not all of course potential homosexuals, but people are usually rotten. And do not be offended, the truth is normal men do not take offense! From my youth I did not understand why it is neither in the army, nor where it is difficult, nor where the Muscovites ... they don’t like Lei !? Over the years I understood. :(

                  What can you talk about with you for the same name-mosk ... lei. I’m not going to convince you, and judging by the nickname, stay late with your defective opinion.
                2. cumastra1
                  cumastra1 21 June 2013 18: 18 New
                  +2
                  Verbally, By the nature of his activity, he communicated with Ch. M. O. (a person in the Moscow region). And the first impression is bad, but as you talk, you understand that der.mo happens.
                  Barrymore, what's that noise?
                  Gays demand rights to same-sex love!
                  And what, someone forbids them?
                  No, my lord.
                  And why are they so screaming?
                  Pi ... race, sir.
              2. yak69
                yak69 20 June 2013 22: 42 New
                +5
                Quote: Semen Semenych
                Do you personally know a lot of “metropolitan” residents to draw such conclusions?

                I have been living and working in Moscow for more than 20 years. Of these, half the time falls on trips around the country and the world (such work). And I judge not by fantasy but by interaction with people. As soon as you see a person with normal adequate thinking, not obsessed with the idea of ​​getting hastily, you immediately ask the question “where are you from?”, 99% are far from Moscow. Most of my housemates came from nearby areas (from the 50s). And if the native Muscovite, that's all! Don’t come without a bib, you won’t get on a goat! So much arrogance, arrogance. Moskvich is a nationality. On trips around the country, I met very few people who spoke well of Muscovites. Watch films of the 50s and 60s, there are a lot of examples of "real" Muscovites shown. For the most part, native Muscovites, rotten people.
                Of course there are exceptions, but this is very rare! I have not met in nature.
                hi
                1. Semen Semyonitch
                  Semen Semyonitch 21 June 2013 00: 09 New
                  +1
                  Quote: yak69
                  Quote: Semen Semenych
                  Do you personally know a lot of “metropolitan” residents to draw such conclusions?

                  I have been living and working in Moscow for more than 20 years. Of these, half the time falls on trips around the country and the world (such work). And I judge not by fantasy but by interaction with people. As soon as you see a person with normal adequate thinking, not obsessed with the idea of ​​getting hastily, you immediately ask the question “where are you from?”, 99% are far from Moscow. Most of my housemates came from nearby areas (from the 50s). And if the native Muscovite, that's all! Don’t come without a bib, you won’t get on a goat! So much arrogance, arrogance. Moskvich is a nationality. On trips around the country, I met very few people who spoke well of Muscovites. Watch films of the 50s and 60s, there are a lot of examples of "real" Muscovites shown. For the most part, native Muscovites, rotten people.
                  Of course there are exceptions, but this is very rare! I have not met in nature.
                  hi

                  With great pleasure I would prove the opposite to you, but I do not have such an opportunity. I myself do not consider myself to be Muscovites, but I perceive insults against them as my own too. If anything, I live in Podolsk. You will be in our area, stop by.
                  1. yak69
                    yak69 21 June 2013 22: 53 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Semen Semenych
                    .If that, I live in Podolsk. Will you be in our area, call in.

                    Well, it is possible! I’ll take the time to visit.
                    Quote: Semen Semenych
                    I don’t regard myself as Muscovites, but I perceive insults against them as my own

                    And you are offended in vain. This is not an insult, it is a criticism. And only arrogant, overly proud people react so sharply to criticism. Again, confirmation of my findings ....
                    hi

                    Still, I hope you do not belong to such)))
            3. not good
              not good 20 June 2013 18: 58 New
              0
              In St. Petersburg, the same is not enthusiastic about these initiatives of Putin.
          4. Egen
            Egen 20 June 2013 13: 16 New
            0
            Quote: Atlon
            Infrastructure needed. Roads, airports

            Uh, her, Pavel, and here the golden mean is important - the more there are, the worse ... you have only traffic jams in Moscow :))))
          5. domokl
            domokl 20 June 2013 17: 00 New
            +5
            Quote: Atlon
            . It’s just that the reality is that everything goes to the center.

            But why talk about everyone? The reality is that they are coming to us from the center. I moved to Siberia two years ago. Although the Moscow residence permit remained. Not for a long ruble (Omsk residents know local salaries), but simply because I want to live here .. It’s free here, not like in central Russia.
            1. yak69
              yak69 20 June 2013 22: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: domokl
              (Omsk residents know local salaries) but simply because I want to live here ... It’s free here, not like in central Russia.

              And who is here from Omsk?
              I visited Omsk, participated in the investment forum in 2002. With the former mayor of Omsk, Roshchupkin V.P. worked side by side during an emergency in Yakutia. The cleverest man, learned a lot from him. By the way, it was Palych who invented a monument to a locksmith and erected it in the middle of the roadway good
              And the city is just beautiful.
              1. domokl
                domokl 21 June 2013 05: 52 New
                +1
                Quote: yak69
                monument to the locksmith and erected it in the middle of the roadway good
                And the city is just beautiful.

                Would you come to us in 70-80-e ... The city is a garden. Everything is in colors, cleanliness, people are smiling ... Now only the echoes of what was. But the fact that the city is handsome agrees. One drama theater is worth . And the monuments of ala Stepanych are now several-city standing at the crossroads, a fireman at a column near the building of the Ministry of Emergencies, Lyubochka is sitting on his avenue ...
                Therefore, it’s a shame that we are not developing all this. We are forced to survive. The budget of Omsk for this year is 12, almost 13 billion, and Novosibirsk or Tomsk-33-35 ... So the difference in life appears
          6. old man54
            old man54 20 June 2013 17: 14 New
            +2
            Quote: Atlon
            It’s just that the reality is that everything goes to the center. Are your indigenous people leaving too? Why? Although the answer is obvious ...

            well, we’ll put far from all of the bars, but I think that they’re the best! Seriously! And those who leave for Moscow, what a cordon for permanent residence, those for whom the main thing in life is money, career, vanity and ambition! For whom am I the land where you were born doesn’t mean much, who doesn’t feel love for the Ngei! Why are they going to Moscow? so Moscow, in the person of state power, is itself to blame. It artificially absurdly pulls all the money from all over the country to itself, behaves just like the United States in relation to the rest of the world, and therefore everyone from Russia flies there! And people for whom universal values ​​are not ephemeral live here and take genuine pleasure in these places, especially if this is their homeland!
            I once suggested, here, at the VO, to make the capital in Turukhansk. The very center of the country, from all borders.

            the thought is very sound and overripe, the transfer of the capital of Russia. Personally, I am against Nov-ka for these purposes! I think you need a small town in Siberia like Tomsk, Tobolsk, like your Pereslavl or Yaroslavl. And immediately restrict free access to permanent residence of the rest there, so that a new blatata does not form! But Muscovites themselves today will not be allowed to transfer, especially the indigenous ones, who have joined the structures of state power for more than one generation! They will lay down bones, but they will not allow the capital to be transferred from this “Morder”. This is not only my opinion, but also Muscovites who are in the subject. Zhirinovsky once said the same thing in an interview. So you are wrong, sorry.
            PSA those who leave there from Siberia today, even if it means it can become cleaner here, then we don’t need to get rid of this shit!
          7. anip
            anip 20 June 2013 19: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: Atlon
            I once suggested, here, at the VO, to make the capital in Turukhansk.

            Better in Krasnoyarsk. Nice city, I was there.
          8. M. Peter
            M. Peter 20 June 2013 19: 35 New
            +2
            Nobody feels divorced from the country, why are you, again, about the bears in the cities, you remember what the hell is that?
        3. old man54
          old man54 20 June 2013 16: 57 New
          +4
          Quote: avant-garde
          And I don’t need Moscow for nothing, it would be possible to disown her,

          I agree with you completely, I live in N-ke! For me, I would not see this fallen city, the Russian "Garden and Gomor" in general!
          I want to give one example about your city by the way. As a long time ago, in the year 88/89 it seems, as a student, I came to practice in Omsk and was amazed that the police patrol cars in the streets were second-hand roofing felts, some other foreign cars. Just cars, at the intersections stood. For Novosibisk in those years, a foreign car was a rarity, but here are the cop cars! I was shocked! I ask the taxi driver, then the ugly ones, what they say is happening here? They say that we have the largest oil refinery in Siberia, on the outskirts of the city, and that perestroika passed the law that the lion's share of its taxes remains in the budget of the region where it is located. Here they say, and there was enough money in the region, we bought imported cars for the Ministry of Internal Affairs. And in N-ke then the cops all went to Uziaks. :) It takes several years, I come back to Omsk ... the outback, the business in the city froze, and there is no particular economic growth in the city. I cheat what happened? Berezovsky, through the murder of the director of this refinery, took possession of the shares of this refinery, Moscow issued a decree that taxes should no longer be paid at the place of physical location of the economy object, but at the place of registration of its owner. All taxes are in Moscow now, the refinery is working, but we, Omsk, do not see anything from this! Here is such a clear story and there are millions of such stories in Siberia!
          And how should in the regions, not only Siberian, treat it, Moscow, after that? :(
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 20 June 2013 22: 28 New
            +4
            Quote: old man54
            All taxes are in Moscow now, the refinery is working, but we Omsk do not see anything from this! Here is such a visual story and there are millions of such stories in Siberia!

            The same thing with Norilsk Nickel, the owners, the directorate in Moscow sit down and give directions from there. The most offensive is that in Moscow last year there was an adviser to our general director for personnel, she herself says that all the former Norilsk residents know the situation on the spot. it’s useless with them. As soon as we got to Moscow, we completely forgot everything at once, everyone is Maaaskva-tin, they are only interested in financial flows, but people ..., yes hr .. e..n will interrupt with them.
          2. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 21 June 2013 00: 19 New
            0
            Quote: old man54
            Quote: avant-garde
            And I don’t need Moscow for nothing, it would be possible to disown her,

            I agree with you completely, I live in N-ke! For me, I would not see this fallen city, the Russian "Garden and Gomor" in general!
            I want to give one example about your city by the way. As a long time ago, in the year 88/89 it seems, as a student, I came to practice in Omsk and was amazed that the police patrol cars in the streets were second-hand roofing felts, some other foreign cars. Just cars, at the intersections stood. For Novosibisk in those years, a foreign car was a rarity, but here are the cop cars! I was shocked! I ask the taxi driver, then the ugly ones, what they say is happening here? They say that we have the largest oil refinery in Siberia, on the outskirts of the city, and that perestroika passed the law that the lion's share of its taxes remains in the budget of the region where it is located. Here they say, and there was enough money in the region, we bought imported cars for the Ministry of Internal Affairs. And in N-ke then the cops all went to Uziaks. :) It takes several years, I come back to Omsk ... the outback, the business in the city froze, and there is no particular economic growth in the city. I cheat what happened? Berezovsky, through the murder of the director of this refinery, took possession of the shares of this refinery, Moscow issued a decree that taxes should no longer be paid at the place of physical location of the economy object, but at the place of registration of its owner. All taxes are in Moscow now, the refinery is working, but we, Omsk, do not see anything from this! Here is such a clear story and there are millions of such stories in Siberia!
            And how should in the regions, not only Siberian, treat it, Moscow, after that? :(

            You really separate flies from cutlets. Claims to Moscow or to power?
        4. Legion47
          Legion47 23 June 2013 08: 06 New
          0
          that's for sure I respect Moscow as the capital but living in this market is low
      3. antidialer
        antidialer 20 June 2013 11: 27 New
        13
        I’ve been living in Siberia for 20 years, I live in the Kemerovo region and no capitals are needed for nothing.
        1. stroporez
          stroporez 21 June 2013 09: 35 New
          +1
          I support !!! together with the capital in SIBERIA will stretch and all the guano living in Moscow. is it nada to us ?????
      4. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 20 June 2013 12: 51 New
        +8
        Quote: Atlon
        Quote: domokl
        Wishlist is growing simply because the Russian Wishlist for the development of the region is only verbally realized.

        So it’s so ... But who of you, REALLY, would go to live and work in Siberia? Not just on the "hapan", they earn some money, but on completely? For permanent residence? Come on, who is ready to go put a plus, who is not ready, put a minus. So let's see! Otherwise, they talk much ... And they prefer to live around Moscow (who was "not lucky" to settle in it themselves), or at least from the western border to the Volga.

        There is a good saying: “Where I was born, it came in handy.” I was born in the suburbs, and I love my Little Motherland with all my heart and bring benefits here. Why should I break away somewhere and live away from my close and beloved places and people? There is such a category of people who, in pursuit of a long ruble, will rush to the ends of the world. If our rulers invested money from the stabilization fund not in the US economy, but in Siberia and the Far East, the return would exceed all expectations, and the issue of demography too.
        1. domokl
          domokl 20 June 2013 17: 04 New
          +5
          Quote: Semen Semenych
          .If our rulers invested the money of the stabilization fund not in the US economy, but in Siberia and the Far East, the return would exceed all expectations, and the issue of demography too.

          That's just the point. There is no long ruble for a long time. People live something like that.
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 21 June 2013 08: 24 New
            0
            Quote: domokl
            Quote: Semen Semenych
            .If our rulers invested the money of the stabilization fund not in the US economy, but in Siberia and the Far East, the return would exceed all expectations, and the issue of demography too.

            That's just the point. There is no long ruble for a long time. People live something like that.

            There used to be construction teams, for whom romance, for whom money. Or both. What is stopping you from realizing this now? Young people are easy on the rise, though romance has faded into the background. So why not interest the ruble, housing, and career? Invest in the construction of cars and railways? Create favorable conditions for entrepreneurship, cheap loans and a mortgage?
        2. old man54
          old man54 20 June 2013 17: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: Semen Semenych
          There is a good saying: “Where I was born, it came in handy.” I was born in the suburbs, and I love my Little Motherland with all my heart and bring benefits here. Why should I break away somewhere and live away from my close and beloved places and people?

          GOLD WORDS! "+"
        3. stroporez
          stroporez 21 June 2013 09: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: Semen Semenych
          If our rulers did not invest the money of the stabilization fund in the US economy, but in Siberia and the Far East, the return would exceed all expectations, and the demographic issue as well.
          so then people’s life would be better. and this is not included in the plans of the “leaders” ..........
      5. Penachet
        Penachet 20 June 2013 14: 04 New
        +2
        I’ll go with pleasure, only two back gnaws here, but I’m unlikely to wait for lifting ones. By the way + I put
      6. anip
        anip 20 June 2013 19: 12 New
        +8
        Quote: Atlon
        But who of you, REALLY, would go to live and work in Siberia? Not just on the "hapan", they earn some money, but on completely? For permanent residence?

        ..
        Well, I generally live in Siberia. Native Siberian, age is already approaching fifty dollars. And, in fact, we don’t need anyone here. The only thing that is necessary is that the Kremlin and Moscow do not exhaust everything from here completely, but leave it for local needs and development. And how oil, gas, timber, coal, gold, cheap electricity from Siberia is constant, and how to develop infrastructure and build factories is an Indian home.
        1. poquello
          poquello 21 June 2013 02: 41 New
          +1
          "And the way oil, gas, timber, coal, gold, cheap electricity from Siberia is constant, and how to develop infrastructure and build factories"

          The Kremlin does not build factories, good roads and good communications are needed, ask the rest from local authorities and entrepreneurs.
          1. anip
            anip 21 June 2013 09: 21 New
            0
            Quote: poquello
            The Kremlin does not build factories, good roads and good communications are needed, ask the rest from local authorities and entrepreneurs.

            It turns out interestingly, Moscow sucks resources and money, but you need to ask from the locals. Damn, to separate Siberia and the Far East, then let the Kremlin manage with what remains.
            1. poquello
              poquello 21 June 2013 19: 11 New
              +1
              "It turns out interesting, Moscow sucks resources and money, but you need to ask the locals. Damn, if you would separate Siberia and the Far East, then let the Kremlin manage with what remains."

              All the same, not Moscow, but the state, and power is concentrated in Moscow. Separate will be from Beijing to suck or Washington.
          2. stroporez
            stroporez 21 June 2013 09: 46 New
            +1
            in Yamal, and specifically, in the city of Noyabrsk, they began to build a quiet (noticeable local government) motor fuel plant (oil refinery) --- they built the first place, they trained people, they bought equipment (God forbid memory) in Germany. Then the lads came from Moscow --- and all this "toenail." Question ---- The benefits of SIBERIA are clear, but what are the benefits of Moscow !! ???????????
            1. poquello
              poquello 21 June 2013 19: 21 New
              +1
              "Then the lads came from Moscow --- and all this" to the nail ""

              Are you special? We have Kemerovo half of all enterprises crushed for themselves, where raiding, where so.
              1. stroporez
                stroporez 24 June 2013 09: 20 New
                0
                Nicho, we are not special. It’s just that a lot of work was laid ....... and the "golden-headed" is poher ..........
              2. Egen
                Egen 25 June 2013 08: 46 New
                0
                Quote: poquello
                We have Kemerovo half of all enterprises crushed for themselves, where raiding, where so.

                Dear, can you be a little more specific, who are these of ours and why have you crushed them? :)
      7. nycsson
        nycsson 20 June 2013 19: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: Atlon
        So it is so ... But who among you, REALLY, would go to live and work in Siberia?

        Many would go! There would be a sensible state resettlement program!
      8. stroporez
        stroporez 21 June 2013 09: 18 New
        +2
        I lived in Yamal since 1980, now (a year and a half ago) I left, I really regret it .... I don’t need to think that SIBERIA is a shot like ice hell. And there are a lot of people who are ready to live and work there. here is Toko when they come and start to "steer" the "effective" from Moscow --- crap begins. not by hearsay I know ---- I saw it myself
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  3. krasin
    krasin 20 June 2013 08: 28 New
    +9
    The train left, this is not the time of Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Medvedev (they could give Siberia for the bubble and iPhone).
    As long as they have a crisis, they raised the defense line due to the oil and gas of the Way. Sergey Kadzhugetovich is on the lookout! To hell with them in vegetable oil, let them live in figs.
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 20 June 2013 09: 50 New
      +6
      Quote: krasin
      The train left, this is not the time of Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Medvedev (they could give Siberia for the bubble and iPhone).

      It seems to me that China is more dangerous for Siberia!
      China is not a friend, China is a fellow traveler.
      1. avt
        avt 20 June 2013 10: 07 New
        11
        Quote: omsbon
        It seems to me that China is more dangerous for Siberia!

        Actually, we ourselves when we rush from one extreme to another. The development of Siberia is not the advancement of amers to the Pacific Ocean, other climatic conditions. Progressive movement and development was killed by a wild market, which was supposed to regulate everything, and instead, under the liberous-eating giggle about the stupidity of the planned Soviet economy, what Soviet people built was stolen. Is that what Potanin and Prokhorov created? They squeezed out everything that was being built under the leadership of such ministers as Lomako. And now the newly-minted hosyuki sucked the Soviet backlog, they say that there is no infrastructure, it is impossible to connect to electricity. And what prevents the same Prokhorov from not being elected in Moscow, not building a $ 1 billion stadium in Boston, not doing an E-mobile near St. Petersburg, but doing it all somewhere near Krasnoyarsk? I believe everyone knows the answer.
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv 20 June 2013 10: 38 New
          +5
          While reading the article, I immediately thought that Putin would return Prokhorov back to his place, as Romka Abramovich had once been, or else this Parkinson's sick person could only get pi .... I’ve become a lot lately and I don’t know how, but alas I’ve been late, but I I'm glad that not one think so. drinks
          1. avt
            avt 20 June 2013 11: 20 New
            +3
            Quote: mhpv
            While reading the article, I immediately thought that Putin Prokhorov should be returned to his place, like Romka Abramovich,

            And note, even when Romik was registered in Chukotka, Chelsea plays in London and I haven’t heard about the fact that Romik built at least one ice-type yacht for himself, this is to my long-standing argument c = Mogus SU = that if big bourgeois are registered in regions, then they will immediately pay taxes and there will be a lot of money for development and as in the Soviet song ,, ... there will be people happiness, happiness forever ... ".
            1. mogus
              mogus 20 June 2013 12: 22 New
              -3
              I'm bastard from such logic ...
              R.Abramovich bought the club for the money that his personal and remained after taxes. If he has such an opportunity to buy, it does not matter where he pays taxes, he will buy it anyway. And on the taxes paid will live the people of the region where he pays. I hope I understand? And then in school, at an economics lesson, the teacher set me three, only for me, now it’s called business in fashion, but I prefer the word - business.
              Putin’s words haven’t listened to you ... Let’s continue the educational program:
              Medvedev is going to
              by order
              translate
              state-owned companies in
              their place of work in
              regions As Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said, the government is in
              okay can decide
              question about the "relocation" of offices
              state-owned companies from Moscow to
              regions of Russia where they
              work. Accordingly, taxes will be paid “at
              place of residence. " By
              according to the prime minister, private
              structures "in clear
              reasons "government
              can’t order, but at the company with
              state participation
              it has an effect.
              It's about the largest
              Russian state
              holdings that
              “Housed” in
              capital and pay taxes
              the metropolitan region in which they are registered
              head office. "Gas in Moscow
              only in the kitchen, therefore
              Gazprom Head Office
              need to be transferred to Tyumen,
              Rosneft - to Siberia, Russian Technologies and Russian Railways - to
              Ural, RusHydro - in
              Krasnoyarsk, Rosenergoatom
              - in the Volga region, “Rusnano” - in
              Kaliningrad and so on then
              have make a real differentiation
              economic life ", -
              Matvienko said. By her
              opinion in Moscow you need
              leave only small
              representative offices of companies with insignificant
              number of employees. Indeed, if
              transfer head offices
              large companies in those
              regions where they
              carry out the main
              activity, then this will surely give an impetus to
              development not only
              regional economy but
              and education
              health care
              social infrastructure. It also helps.
              create “social elevators”
              for talented people from
              regions - they can
              break up without leaving
              to the capital. Another plus - Moscow “unload” from
              influx of visitors.
              Really why
              a person to go somewhere
              poke around removable (and
              very expensive) corners when decent money
              you can earn at home
              However, Matvienko is not at all
              primary source - first
              suggested such an idea
              on the eve of the election, President Vladimir Putin. He stated that he considered
              an unfair situation
              when working in
              regions companies pay
              taxes in Moscow. Wherein
              Putin even used the expression "must
              stop feeding
              Moscow. "House?
              1. mogus
                mogus 20 June 2013 12: 43 New
                0
                For those who do not bother reading, I repeat
                However, Matvienko is not at all
                primary source - first
                such an idea was proposed on the eve of the election by the president
                Vladimir Putin He declared,
                what does
                an unfair situation
                when working in
                company regions pay taxes in Moscow. Wherein
                Putin even used
                the expression "necessary
                stop feeding
                Moscow

                Next:
                Medvedev this thought
                specified. By his
                view large offices
                companies preferably
                spread over all
                regions, as is done in the West. For example, in
                Germany and the United States "in any
                the city has headquarters
                largest companies. "

                The presence of a Moscow registration does not make you smarter than the first persons of the state and anyone from the region.
                hi
                1. krasin
                  krasin 20 June 2013 17: 57 New
                  +2
                  It’s high time to distribute by region where things are done — there and the office.
                  Remember 1 year ago how Muscovites screamed, -Russia drinks, people ...... and so on -one Moscow is working. They warmed themselves for free.
                  All of Russia works for Moscow, all taxes go there. It's time to stop feeding Moscow. There is no need to make white bone from Moscow, they are not worth it. Then the regions of Siberia, D.Vostok, taxes will go to places,
                  they will feel more confident, development will take place, and the presence of state support and --- the problem of the development of Siberia and D.Vostok will disappear!
                  And it will be full of figs !! wink
                  1. old man54
                    old man54 20 June 2013 21: 09 New
                    0
                    Quote: krasin
                    It's time to stop feeding Moscow. There is no need to make white bone from Moscow, they are not worth it. Then the regions of Siberia, D.Vostok, taxes will go to places,
                    they will feel more confident, development will take place, and the presence of state support and --- the problem of the development of Siberia and D.Vostok will disappear!
                    And it will be full of figs !! wink

                    that’s just what Mosk ... is it and most of all is afraid that the regions will become self-sufficient and she will no longer be able to talk to them through her lip, dictate to them her installations and wipe her feet about them! But in fact, it, Moscow, today, few regions in Russia need, especially with their domestic policy. And she, too, understands this. But soon everything will be covered up, then this "golden" million of Russia will understand that how much!
                2. not good
                  not good 20 June 2013 19: 10 New
                  +1
                  The idea of ​​paying taxes at the place of business is sound and necessary, but remembering all of Dimon’s previous endeavors, little is believed in the realization of his declared intentions. State-owned companies are subordinate to the government, and if they wanted, long ago, in an orderly manner, all those who should be transferred to where they should be.
              2. avt
                avt 20 June 2013 12: 58 New
                +4
                Quote: mogus
                I'm bastard from such logic ...
                R.Abramovich bought the club for the money that his personal and remained after taxes.

                You’re fooling around, especially in light of the construction of a Gazprom stadium in St. Petersburg with money and snow removal in the winter there. Regarding personal money, well, it touches me very much. laughing So Prokhorov made a capitalist to buy Nornikil in some kind of cooperative? Or did Roma Abramovich open a cooperative in the Dzerzhinsky district of Moscow so famously spun on Chelsea? And his relative, who replaced his parents and was engaged in deliveries to the north of everything and everything under the USSR, including cars, not aisles? No need to include a fool. There are no random people among the oligarchs who have intellectually and laborly earned money in such volumes and for such periods. It was not in vain that they rushed into the Old Square in the 90s and the Committee, it was not in vain that the human rights activists tried to get into the KGB archive. That’s a lot of interesting things there, including receipts of those who, at the request of the Party or its KGB advanced detachment, promised to return the necessary funds to Or the same Khodorkovsky, the functionaries of the Lenin Komsomol through NTTM didn’t sour, and if not laziness, look for and find a number of generals from the special services surrounded by completely open and long-voiced information. You’ll leave money for young and uninterested traders who bought at Chubais mortgage auctions their current “own” property, which are milked and backed by effective managers. So the dream of a long-standing toast is that we have everything and we don’t have anything come true for it in general, and it will not evaporate from the place of payment of taxes and the location of head offices. But you can continue to be in a languid languor that this is not so. Free - the will, saved-Paradise.
                1. mogus
                  mogus 20 June 2013 14: 30 New
                  -1
                  There are no random people among the oligarchs who have intellectually and laborly earned money in such volumes and for such periods.

                  and I said something else !? Their "honesty" acquired a separate topic.
                  Since you evade a direct answer, we narrow down the "framework": YES (do you think the current distribution of money in the country is fair. There is no need to change anything.)
                  NO (the current system is unfair. It needs to be done, as Putin, Medvedev, Matvienko says).
                  1. avt
                    avt 20 June 2013 14: 51 New
                    +2
                    Quote: mogus
                    Since you evade a direct answer, we narrow down the "framework": YES (do you think the current distribution of money in the country is fair. There is no need to change anything.)
                    NO (the current system is unfair. It needs to be done, as Putin, Medvedev, Matvienko says).

                    I repeat once again, from changing the places of the terms responsible for issuing budget funds and withdrawing money locally, the amount of money in the offshore to which they will not be taken away will not change. Though at least against the wall with a repetition of your favorite words about injustice, the system will work as it worked. For it changes and is regulated by completely different means and methods in the presence of political will and an appropriate human resource. And you should at least expand the framework for yes and no, at least narrow down, you are tired of admitting that focus on avoiding reality from any Svanidze and Mlechins when they are losing to Kurginyan sneakily went to -, so do you think that Putin was wrong, yes or no? "Looks like the genetic memory affected when the ancestors denounced and then answered for them at the logging. And if you say the honesty of the comrades indicated in my previous comment a separate topic for you is not related to budget financing of regions request Well this is a disaster! Then it’s useless to give any arguments, a waste of time.
                    1. mogus
                      mogus 20 June 2013 15: 11 New
                      -1
                      the answer is clear - nothing needs to be changed (people are only in Moscow, beyond the Moscow Ring Road ...)

                      Looks affected by genetic memory when the ancestors denounced and then wrote themselves for them and answered at the logging.

                      don’t worry, usually those who were reported were sent here. I and my ancestors were born in the area where the Decembrists were exiled, and I live here ...

                      denunciations were written on working dependent people who themselves could not do anything. as a result, we see the results of such a reign of the remaining ... bully
                    2. avt
                      avt 20 June 2013 15: 57 New
                      0
                      Quote: mogus
                      the answer is clear - nothing needs to be changed (people are only in Moscow, beyond the Moscow Ring Road ...)

                      Not treated. request There is a thought of its own, and only deign to think it and all the others are driven to your naturally correct answer. Okay, let's try to reach the brain for the last time. Here, from the latter, Gelman sat on a salary of 250 thousand in Perm and arranged holidays for 250 million rubles of BUDGET REGIONAL money, and with different governors, while local ordinary cultural workers from the LOCAL authorities received well, clearly less than Gelman, who has his own gallery near the Kursk railway station in Moscow, there’s a former distillery. The question of quick wisdom is what Gelman’s salary will be and the local will roll back if, on a “holiday” in Perm, the local authorities don’t release 250 million rubles from the budget of the Perm Territory, but as you propose 750 million or 1 billion rubles? You may not answer. Your answer is known -
                      Quote: mogus
                      the answer is clear - nothing needs to be changed (people are only in Moscow, beyond the Moscow Ring Road ...)

                      laughing The main soul is warmed by a kind of intellectual frontierry in writing the capital with a small letter and a hidden cookie in his pocket, he exposed the abstruse Muscovite. laughing
                    3. mogus
                      mogus 20 June 2013 16: 41 New
                      +1
                      For questions zp of various rabble - Moscow, the Kremlin ... Z.p. some sports ministers in 600t.r. when the region needs a new pool of 12 million rubles. - only zp is needed drive into a reasonable one and in a couple of years you can do a new pool - again to the Kremlin ... not you and not I recourse

                      The main soul is warmed by a kind of intellectual frontierry in writing the capital with a small letter and a hidden cookie in his pocket, he exposed the abstruse Muscovite

                      No, just trying to follow the rules of writing. With a small letter - there are reasons for this. The rest is your speculation.
                    4. avt
                      avt 20 June 2013 18: 25 New
                      0
                      Quote: mogus
                      For questions zp of various rabble - Moscow, the Kremlin ... Z.p. some sports ministers in 600t.r. when the region needs a new pool of 12 million rubles. - only zp is needed drive into a reasonable framework and in a couple of years you can do a new pool - again to the Kremlin ... not you and I do not determine their fees recourse

                      And this is the answer to a specific example? Do you think that in Perm they get a salary of 250 thousand from the local budget for culture, Putin appointed Gelman in the Kremlin! ?? request No, well, it’s for sure a psychiatrist, or a white-breasted one on Bolotnaya.
                      Quote: mogus
                      No, just trying to follow the rules of writing. With a small letter - there are reasons for this.

                      And, I realized, you are working out new rules for the Siberian language. Well, in the light of the last answer about Gelman and the Kremlin’s guilt, it’s understandable.
                    5. old man54
                      old man54 20 June 2013 21: 42 New
                      +1
                      Quote: avt
                      And, I realized, you are working out new rules for the Siberian language.

                      and what do you have against Siberia, aaa? !!
                    6. mogus
                      mogus 21 June 2013 02: 54 New
                      +1
                      And this is the answer to a concrete example? Do you think that in Perm there is a salary of 250 thousand from the local budget for culture, Putin appointed Gelman in the Kremlin!?

                      Gelman works for the state structure - if there are restrictions, then the state establishes them, and it would be nice to drive such payments into reasonable ones (for the expenses of deputies they introduce supervision, though formal). Firefighters (for example) - state structure and restriction on salary there is, and with "art critics" such restrictions are needed. Putin is a broad concept, it is clear that his team works in such areas ...

                      No, well, it’s for sure a psychiatrist, or a white-breasted one on Bolotnaya.

                      Saw! Enough with Edim to pay me equal! If you do not know, then they are generally against everything. I agree with Putin about the transfer of state-owned companies to the regions, but you are against - so which of us is a white-haired man ..?

                      And, I realized, you are working out new rules for the Siberian language

                      I hear about this nonsense from you - I ask the Yandex ...

                      Well, in the light of the last answer about Gelman and the Kremlin’s guilt, it’s understandable.
                      -?
                  2. Semen Semyonitch
                    Semen Semyonitch 21 June 2013 09: 00 New
                    -1
                    Mogus SU Yesterday, 16:41 ↑
                    No, just trying to follow the rules of writing. With a small letter - there are reasons for this. The rest is your speculation.
                    What is the city annoying you with? Neighbor bastard, kill his dog? And where, if not a secret, were you taught these rules of writing? You may be dissatisfied with the authorities and blame it for what it’s worth, but writing the name of your capital (or maybe not? Then everything is understandable) with a small letter does not honor you.
                  3. mogus
                    mogus 21 June 2013 16: 38 New
                    0
                    Communicating on the network, I come across different people, but Muscovites cause the most hostility. My village has the same name as in the suburbs, only I am in eastern Siberia. So while the interlocutor believes that I live in the Moscow region, then everything is fine, but as soon as they find out the exact place - “ignore” and delete all correspondence ... Muscovites do not want to communicate with the regions, that is. with people of the third grade. This is not the only case. And I'm not the only one.
                    Another example of "avt" is the character on this site. In the regions there is not enough money - everything goes through Moscow, where it settles. Putin wants to change this by moving state-owned companies to the regions, I have repeatedly quoted his words in quotes. But this is indicated in various ways by the specified character. For Muscovites, the current system of distributing money across the country is fair and does not want to be changed, because we live in one country and cannot be one or two cities more than everyone else ...
                    The city is determined by people - can a city have respect if the residents themselves do not respect anyone?

                    Look at the forums of those places beyond the Urals and you will discover much more than one city and the rest.
              3. Semen Semyonitch
                Semen Semyonitch 21 June 2013 08: 48 New
                0
                avt (1) SU Yesterday, 18:25 ↑
                I apologize, slapped by mistake ,, - ". I will have to good
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 20 June 2013 13: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: mogus
      I'm bastard from such logic ...
      R.Abramovich bought the club for the money that was personal and left after taxes. If he has such an opportunity to buy, it does not matter where he pays taxes, he will buy it anyway.


      and I'm bastard of your logic ...
      Personal money? Where did they come from? With what joy did he become the "governor of Chukotka"?


      Quote: mogus
      And on the taxes paid people will live in the region where he pays. I hope I understand?


      Yeah, ok wink . The people who created “say the hundred billionaires” by their own labor will live on taxes that Romik will seal, although it’s not more honest to call it taxes, but a rollback to the state by Romik for the opportunity to rob both the region and working people.
      Well, Romik will buy himself a new yacht, because it is much more important than creating anew a network of children's sports schools.


      Quote: mogus
      And then in school, at an economics lesson, the teacher set me three


      this should start laughing
      1. mogus
        mogus 20 June 2013 14: 42 New
        -2
        and I'm bastard of your logic ...
        Personal money? Where did they come from? With what joy did he become the "governor of Chukotka"?

        where from? this is a question in the Kremlin, where they say that we are not the 37th year ...

        Yeah, okay. The people who created “say the hundred billionaires” by their own labor will live on taxes that Romik will seal, although it’s not more honest to call it taxes, but a rollback to the state by Romik for the opportunity to rob both the region and working people.
        Well, Romik will buy himself a new yacht, because it is much more important than creating anew a network of children's sports schools.

        it's back to the kremlin

        this should start

        I am 30 years old and you can figure out at what time my childhood passed. I had to study (work) the market while still studying at school - this is how you will talk about “mechanic” about “arm” and “vaf” about planes ...

        Well, the question is YES (do you think the current distribution of money in the country is fair. You do not need to change anything.)
        NO (the current system is unfair. It needs to be done, as Putin, Medvedev, Matvienko says).
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 20 June 2013 18: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: mogus
          I am 30 years old and you can figure out at what time my childhood passed. I had to study (work) the market while still studying at school - this is how you will talk about “mechanic” about “arm” and “vaf” about planes ...


          In addition to trying to justify myself, I did not understand what are you talking about?


          Quote: mogus
          Well, the question is YES (do you think the current distribution of money in the country is fair. You do not need to change anything.)
          NO (the current system is unfair. It needs to be done, as Putin, Medvedev, Matvienko says).


          Lovely laughing .
          Are these all options? You reminded me of representative democracy in the USA with your question:
          - Choose citizens from two parties, but know that nothing will change much.
          1. mogus
            mogus 21 June 2013 03: 03 New
            0
            In addition to trying to justify myself, I did not understand what are you talking about?

            I, too, don’t understand what the hell, did previous generations want "perestroika"? Now my generation is slurping to the fullest ...

            Are these all options? You reminded me of representative democracy in the USA with your question:
            - Choose citizens from two parties, but know that nothing will change much.

            Putin proposed transferring state-owned companies to the Urals, Siberia and the Far East - there are two options: yes-move / no-leave. As I understand it, you are proposing a third option - if state-owned companies do not remain in the Moscow region, then so that they do not go to the regions ... liquidate. Explain about the third option ..?
        2. anip
          anip 21 June 2013 09: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: mogus
          this is a question in the Kremlin, where they say that we are not the 37th year ...

          Thus, confirming that in 1937 they didn’t purge in vain, but it was precisely those who stole and hollowed out.
    3. old man54
      old man54 20 June 2013 18: 00 New
      +5
      Quote: mogus
      I'm bastard from such logic ...
      And then in school, at an economics lesson, the teacher set me three, only for me, in a fashionable way this is now called business, but I prefer the word - business.

      It’s not for nothing that you probably set the triples in economics, as I see it. And Prokhorov and Abramovich did not earn their capital, but received it! Stupidly received and that's it! Need to explain how ??? And now even taxes are hardly paid on them, and if they are paid, then in the same amount as Baba Manya, who washes the floors! Money from the country's economy to offshore companies is constantly withdrawing, undermining it! There are a lot of things there, but you are bending our fingers here, you are proud of your business! :) It’s time to nationalize everything back for a long time, withdraw assets for violating laws, systematic, in prison or in mines for life! We still lacked the Liberals, in VO!
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 20 June 2013 18: 45 New
        +4
        Quote: old man54
        It’s time to nationalize everything back a long time ago, to withdraw assets for violating laws, systematic, to prison or to mines of uranium for life! We still lacked the Liberals, in VO!


        totally agree drinks major, state-owned industries in general, and large enterprises in particular, must be nationalized! It's time to stop indulging the whims of criminals.
      2. mogus
        mogus 21 June 2013 03: 11 New
        -1
        And Prokhorov and Abramovich did not earn their capital, but received it! Stupidly received and that's it! Need to explain how ???
        Did I talk about the honesty of receiving them? Where? Don’t worry, I’m also rooting about it ... "not the 37th year ..."

        And now even taxes are hardly paid on them, and if they are paid, then in the same amount as Baba Manya, who washes the floors!

        No question for me. This is Moscow, the Kremlin

        Money from the country's economy to offshore companies is constantly withdrawing, undermining it! There will be a lot of things
        to the Kremlin

        and you bend our fingers here, boast of your business !:

        I’m happy to go to production, but that’s not the problem, on a whim of those who voted for “perestroika” all the enterprises are closed. From a very good life open IP sad . Do not sit still - I do not want to be a comer ...
        About kitsch - I did not pay you and I will not. They themselves are to blame - do not steal.
      3. mogus
        mogus 21 June 2013 03: 14 New
        0
        It’s time to nationalize everything back a long time ago, to withdraw assets, for violations of laws, systematic, in prison or in uranium mines

        I absolutely agree!

        We still lacked the Liberals, in VO!
        Not to me. You did not understand the essence of the disagreement with "avt" - I agree with Putin about the transfer of state-owned companies from Moscow to the regions, he does not agree.
      4. mogus
        mogus 21 June 2013 03: 20 New
        -1
        it’s not for nothing that you probably set the triples in economics
        The teacher offered his version of the market, I spoke proto what I saw from the inside - thanks to those who voted for the restructuring!
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    5. stroporez
      stroporez 21 June 2013 09: 50 New
      +1
      defining phrase in your post ----
      Quote: mogus
      Medvedev is going to
      wassat meaning you can put a bold cross. "good intentions ..........."
      1. mogus
        mogus 22 June 2013 03: 16 New
        0
        This was proposed by Putin before the election ... Dimon performer crying
  4. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 20 June 2013 12: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: avt
    something I have not heard about the fact that Romik built at least one icebreaking yacht for himself, this is to my long-standing dispute c = Mogus SU = that if big bourgeois are registered in the regions, they will immediately pay taxes and there will be a lot of money for development


    avt hi

    absolutely agree comrade drinks .
    1. mogus
      mogus 20 June 2013 14: 54 New
      0


      http://www.pravda.ru/news/politics/20-12-2006/207858-abram-0/
      As Abramovich himself said after meeting with the president, he turned to Putin with a request to terminate his powers. The owner of Chelsea noted that he will continue to implement a number of economic projects aimed primarily at further increasing the standard of living in Chukotka. A spokesman for the president of the Russian Federation, Alexei Gromov, said that "a decision has not yet been made in connection with Abramovich’s request by the president."

      Meanwhile, back in October it was known that Abramovich could leave the post of governor of Chukotka on January 1, 2007. "Abramovich himself intends to initiate his resignation, believing that he has completed all the tasks assigned to him," a source close to the administration of the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug told Interfax then.

      on all questions why Putin leaves Abramovich - Moscow, the Kremlin ...
  • poquello
    poquello 21 June 2013 02: 47 New
    +1
    "And what prevents the same Prokhorov from being elected in Moscow, not building a $ 1 billion stadium in Boston, not doing an E-mobile near St. Petersburg, but doing it all somewhere near Krasnoyarsk?"

    Yes, he is not far off some. Maybe I didn’t think of it.
  • old man54
    old man54 20 June 2013 17: 51 New
    0
    Quote: omsbon
    It seems to me that China is more dangerous for Siberia!
    China is not a friend, China is a fellow traveler.

    think correctly! :)
  • krasin
    krasin 20 June 2013 18: 12 New
    0
    Time will tell. As long as China is the first friend after Hitler
  • vadimN
    vadimN 20 June 2013 10: 32 New
    +3
    Yes please...! As prisoners of war, roads to build ...
    1. 755962
      755962 20 June 2013 12: 15 New
      +6
      Siberia is one of the first in terms of the number of minerals and resources: gold, oil, timber, minerals, clean fresh water, and territories. Add to this wonderful ecology and beauty. Many are perplexed why the USA is Siberia. Well, let us remind you that the United States has long had views of this land. Former US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright said: "What kind of world justice can we talk about when such a rich territory like Siberia belongs to one country?" In the same 2005, Condoleezza Rice echoed to her: “Siberia is too large a region for it to be governed by one country.” Well, the USA has laid its eyes on Siberia not only because of resources. Natural disasters and catastrophes naturally and inevitably change the face of the Earth, making many territories unsuitable for life. 2010 and 2011 with their disasters confirm this. Earthquakes in Japan, Haiti, weather anomalies in Europe and the USA, forest fires in Russia, drought in China - all this proves that the physical map is inevitably changing. This makes people, to put it mildly, fuss and look for new places to live. And Siberia fits perfectly in order to survive the times of disasters in safety and prosperity. And our Siberian land is becoming like a budget place in a prestigious university. A huge number of people who want to get on it, and "applicants" will do anything to get it. And the struggle for Siberia has already begun.
      1. matross
        matross 20 June 2013 16: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: 755962
        And the struggle for Siberia has already begun.

        Yes, it has begun. But the soldier (people, population) is not enough for this struggle. The transfer of the capital will not solve this issue. Need to give birth. And to attract migrants from Belarus-Ukraine-Moldova, as well as ethnic Slavs from other countries, with super-beneficial offers for living in Siberia and the Far East. Otherwise, PPC ...
  • brelok
    brelok 20 June 2013 16: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Garrin
    The United States wants to Siberia ...

    Honestly, the "Wishlist" Amerovskaya grows prohibitively and grows to indecent dimensions.

    Nothing new! The amers arranged for the seizure of Sakhalin by Japan because of oil. Kolchak, under an agreement, promised America Siberia to the Urals. It didn’t work out! They’ll drown in blood! The guerrilla war in the taiga is slightly different from the bare desert. But China can take a chance!
    1. volkodav
      volkodav 20 June 2013 18: 04 New
      -5
      and if it’s no secret who will lead it, this guerrilla war? Indigenous peoples are unlikely if they have more grandmothers than Moscow will offer, then they will go for Amer and China. The Russians offer preferential taxation and subsidies at the expense of natural rent, and why they do not need Moscow and the rest of Russia. I’m gryu as a Siberian whose ancestors came to master it more than 300 years ago. and all of Russia used us
      1. M. Peter
        M. Peter 20 June 2013 19: 46 New
        +5
        Quote: volkodav
        and if it’s no secret who will lead it, this guerrilla war? Indigenous peoples are unlikely if they have more grandmothers than Moscow will offer, then they will go for Amer and China. The Russians offer preferential taxation and subsidies at the expense of natural rent, and why they do not need Moscow and the rest of Russia. I’m gryu as a Siberian whose ancestors came to master it more than 300 years ago. and all of Russia used us

        But this is in vain. With the collapse of the Union, the question of secession from the RSFSR ir after the Russian Federation was raised by many, among the “indigenous” peoples, but no, we live together, there weren’t even any nationalistic tricks like in other more European regions of the Russian Federation, by the way, some of our these “indigenous” people perplexedly look at all kinds of “Russian marches” in the capital, not understanding the slogans “Russia for Russians, Moscow for Muscovites”.
        But you offend them, just write all sorts of nonsense ...



        But how many of them fought in the ranks of the Red Army, by the way getting captured by the Germans few who switch to their side.
    2. poquello
      poquello 21 June 2013 02: 52 New
      +2
      "The guerrilla war in the taiga is slightly different from the bare desert. But China may take a chance!"

      The people in Siberia are harsh, uninvited, and the Chinese will perish.
  • old man54
    old man54 20 June 2013 16: 27 New
    0
    Quote: Garrin
    The United States wants to Siberia ...

    Honestly, the "Wishlist" Amerovskaya grows prohibitively and grows to indecent dimensions.

    and what did you actually expect?
    here, take a look so that you don’t write a lot

    http://tubethe.com/watch/RajGMOBJ-zg/putin-gotovit-rossiyu-dlya-mirovogo-pravite
    lstva-ssha.html
  • old man54
    old man54 20 June 2013 16: 36 New
    0
    Quote: Garrin
    The United States wants to Siberia ...

    Honestly, the "Wishlist" Amerovskaya grows prohibitively and grows to indecent dimensions.

    and what surprises you with such a government in Russia?
    here the video explains a lot:
    http://tubethe.com/watch/RajGMOBJ-zg/putin-gotovit-rossiyu-dlya-mirovogo-pravite
    lstva-ssha.html
  • Timtom
    Timtom 20 June 2013 17: 36 New
    +1
    Energy = MONEY
    Money is primarily a mechanism for evaluating and expressing labor (work). Work, in turn, is a process of energy expenditure.
    From which it follows that money is “Bills for Energy”.
    Energy is a physical phenomenon that exists in nature and the universe, regardless of humanity. Money is only a method and mechanism invented by humanity for the quantitative expression of energy.
    In commodity-money exchange, energy generated goods, and goods generated money - as a means of exchanging goods, works and services. It is obvious that energy in commodity-money exchange, is located above both goods and money. Since it is precisely energy that generates both the first and second. Thus, when we talk about "commodity-money exchange" between the seller and the buyer, we are actually talking about the exchange of energy in the form of goods, for money. That is, on bills of exchange that are the buyer of energy in the form of goods. gives the seller energy in the form of goods, as a guarantee of return to the seller of this energy. in one form or another, in the future.
    If money as a result of inflation depreciates, then along with a decrease in their purchasing power, the amount of energy that was guaranteed to the seller at the time of the transaction of sale of his goods is reduced. This means that inflation is beneficial to the buyer of the product and not beneficial to the seller. The main global buyer is the United States.
    Trade is the transfer of energy in one form or another, in exchange for a promise to return this energy in one form or another. Here we are talking about a promise in the form of a bill of exchange (money). Since money is not energy, it is only a promise of energy. A commodity, unlike money, is precisely energy embodied in one or another commodity form. Goods are forms of energy, and money is bills of exchange on forms of energy. Possession of energy means the ability to convert this energy into any form of goods and (or) write bills for energy. That is why the United States is so actively capturing and colonizing countries rich in energy, or as it is now accepted to say "energy."
  • Blackgrifon
    Blackgrifon 20 June 2013 19: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: Garrin
    Honestly, the "Wishlist" Amerovskaya grows prohibitively and grows to indecent dimensions.


    And in order not to grow, you need to win at least in the information plan - in our country there is no Idea that would hold all sectors of society together.
    1. Ustian
      Ustian 20 June 2013 20: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Blackgrifon
      And in order not to grow, you need to win at least in the information plan - in our country there is no Idea that would hold all sectors of society together.

      http://www.dynacon.ru/content/articles/975/
  • nycsson
    nycsson 20 June 2013 19: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: Garrin
    Honestly, the "Wishlist" Amerovskaya grows prohibitively and grows to indecent dimensions.

    It grows in proportion to how the Russian Wishlist is shrinking!
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 20 June 2013 07: 12 New
    14
    Want is not harmful ..... . In Siberia, other wealth is present. "Here is the Russian spirit, it smells of Rus here!"
    1. mogus
      mogus 20 June 2013 08: 58 New
      -1
      with that attitude ... in a couple of generations, our spirit will erode.
    2. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 20 June 2013 09: 29 New
      +5
      Something Chinese began to smell. Seriously, the United States reminds Russia that it is necessary to develop this region seriously and at a fast pace and understand that a Chinese person will never be a Russian brother, only business partnerships, where the Chinese sometimes very clearly demonstrate themselves as not a reliable partner.
      Russia needs not to waste money on the “friends” of Africa, Arabia, and the East, but to throw on the development of the region. This is a self-cleaning tablecloth. Create powerful infrastructure for future city-forming regional enterprises. Decent supply of benefits and salary and it will pay off handsomely. Gone are the times of temporary huts, barracks and beams. People will not need to be recruited. People, especially young people themselves will be drawn if everything meets their wishes. Indigenous people, family dynasties will appear and the need for "Tajiks" from all over the impoverished world will disappear. Only this should be done by the state and strictly controlled. Steal.
      Strengthen borders and legal crossings. Official checkpoints thistle overgrown. Trails of smugglers and illegal immigrants in a convenient place and in the right direction function, providing the former with simplicity, and the latter ... (Military secret).
      1. misljachii
        misljachii 20 June 2013 10: 37 New
        +5
        I agree about a decent salary, in our Yugra, salaries are good only for foreign companies, for local people there are small salaries, Tajiks just go to work here. and where to go youth?
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 20 June 2013 14: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Russia needs not to waste money on the “friends” of Africa, Arabia, and the East, but to throw on the development of the region.

        Does the USA want to distract Russia from Syria? Would write directly, enough to help Syria, deal with Siberia.
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 20 June 2013 20: 39 New
          +2
          I’m writing directly. Invest and develop your native Siberia. Improve the well-being of your people. Who is really close to us is poor but proud, friendly and decent towards us. the Cuban people, which we have not deservedly forgotten. All the others, close, distant on the Arab, African, Asian continents, traded us for other sponsors. Personally, I can clearly see from a high bridge what we gave them, what they turned into and how they relate to us.
          Egypt alone is a prime example. When you walk along the Suez Canal and see abandoned positions, our equipment mutilated and many pontoon parks on the bank of the canal, thoughts come in, tear yourself away from your people, give and hit. They turned our backs on us. It’s a long time to list who were friends with us at our expense and what is the relationship with us now. For yourself, you need to live and take care of the might of your state, the defense complex within its borders and an offensive strategic weapon for a retaliatory strike. (And bananas, second-rate coffee, third-grade tea and the husks of cocoa beans, they will deliver to us until we we mature that we have to pay for quality, not quantity) This complex is a powerful deterrent against the threat of attack. In the event of a serious conflict, the struggle for world peace will be such that there will be no stone unturned. Both the United States and Russia, the same China and India, understand perfectly well whoever starts will die first. Once, half a century ago, US Secretary of Defense McNamara proudly reported to the president that they could destroy the USSR five times, and the USSR only three. To which I received an answer. For us, once is enough.
    3. 755962
      755962 20 June 2013 13: 28 New
      0
      Quote: Bort Radist
      In Siberia, other wealth is present.

      Why Siberia may turn out to be a Russian secret economic weapon

      http://mixednews.ru/archives/37753
  • BARKAS
    BARKAS 20 June 2013 07: 15 New
    10
    Maybe this is nonsense, but I can’t get rid of the idea that events in the Middle East are just a rehearsal before the expansion to Siberia Rice once clearly spoke about this!
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 20 June 2013 07: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: BARKAS
      Rice once clearly spoken about this!


      Remind. Be kind.
      1. BARKAS
        BARKAS 20 June 2013 07: 18 New
        +6
        She said that Siberia is too large a territory to be ruled by one state!
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 20 June 2013 07: 25 New
          +4
          Well, in this case, we can say that the United States is also not France in terms of area.
          1. BARKAS
            BARKAS 20 June 2013 07: 33 New
            +7
            Yes they are freaks laughing
        2. sasha.28blaga
          sasha.28blaga 20 June 2013 08: 08 New
          +7
          Yes, it’s just that Rise has never seen large territories. I hate imported bourgeoisie. And their programmatic and programmed to destroy peoples.
        3. Corsair
          Corsair 20 June 2013 11: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: BARKAS
          She said that Siberia is too large a territory to be ruled by one state!

          Continuation of the policy:
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 21 June 2013 09: 24 New
            0
            Quote: Corsair
            Quote: BARKAS
            She said that Siberia is too large a territory to be ruled by one state!

            Continuation of the policy:

            Such an outfit suits him - the right kid a la 90s
    2. domokl
      domokl 20 June 2013 07: 32 New
      +5
      Quote: BARKAS
      events in the Middle East are just a rehearsal before expansion to Siberia

      It seems to me that you are exaggerating the danger. If the West, and even China, really wanted to develop or even divide Siberia, what prevented this from happening under the EBN? He would have allowed it without hesitation.
      But it’s not so simple. In order to master it, you need to invest in infrastructure, in the construction of cities and airports, in the relocation of people from other regions, and maybe other countries. And the climate here is not for the faint of heart.
      Rice was not talking about annexation, but about joint development. we build cities, roads, etc., but they produce reserves. Accordingly, the distribution in their favor
      1. BARKAS
        BARKAS 20 June 2013 07: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        It seems to me that you are exaggerating the danger.

        Of course I exaggerate, but as they say in every joke, only a fraction of the joke!
        1. sasha.28blaga
          sasha.28blaga 20 June 2013 08: 10 New
          0
          Amer proposed, if I remember correctly, to relocate the population of Siberia to warm regions, and to master Siberia "all over the world."
      2. kavkaz8888
        kavkaz8888 20 June 2013 08: 27 New
        +7
        In Iraq, amers invested heavily in infrastructure? The country was destroyed, the pipes are guarded and norms.
      3. fedorovith
        fedorovith 20 June 2013 12: 25 New
        0
        Who wants a lot, he gets a fig. Something like that.
  • Vanek
    Vanek 20 June 2013 07: 15 New
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    And even if foreign companies are invited, then on such terms that would not be beneficial to a handful of oligarchs with a bureaucratic top, and the whole macroregion.

    No no no no! Even under such conditions - NO!

    Ivan Novosibirsk Siberia.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 20 June 2013 07: 21 New
      +5
      Quote: Vanek
      No no no no! Even under such conditions - NO!

      Ivan, hi ! Be concise, CATEGORALLY NOT! wink !
    2. domokl
      domokl 20 June 2013 07: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Vanek
      No no no no! Even under such conditions - NO!

      Ivan Novosibirsk Siberia.

      Our proud Varangian doesn’t surrender to the enemy !!!! ... Why not then? Today, in whose gas station did you take gas for a car? Bipi? You can’t refuse help. I specifically looked at city budgets ... You know, we have almost a budget in Omsk two times less than Novosib ... And how to develop industry and business in general? how to solve social programs?
      80 percent of the shares of Russia, 20 percent of the investor .. It is quite a normal option
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 20 June 2013 07: 42 New
        0
        If only under the full and unconditional control of the "main". ... And then, just think.

        Victor, Alexander hi
        1. domokl
          domokl 20 June 2013 07: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: Vanek
          If only under the full and unconditional control of the "main". ... And then, just think.

          hi categorically! Not only under control, but also with the adoption of the Law that no one has the right to change the status of a company without a referendum ...
      2. Ustas
        Ustas 20 June 2013 08: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        80 percent of the shares of Russia, 20 percent of the investor .. It is quite a normal option

        "We will go the other way!" V. Ulyanov
      3. belij
        belij 20 June 2013 08: 37 New
        10
        The ax is ground, the shovel too. Let them take a chance.
        Yuri. Krasnoyarsk. Siberia.
        1. sanych
          sanych 20 June 2013 10: 26 New
          +9
          Why cook axes with shovels ?! The land of hunters - guns and carbines is enough to meet the "guests" not called! And in the taiga, our peasants are giving any Amerovsky special forces easy! angry
          Alexander. Irkutsk Siberia.
          1. alexng
            alexng 20 June 2013 12: 53 New
            +2
            A shovel for digging traps, and an ax for the device in the trap in a larger number of spears.
          2. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 20 June 2013 13: 13 New
            +4
            Quote: sanych
            Why cook axes with shovels ?! The land of hunters - guns and carbines is enough to meet the "guests" not called!
        2. M. Peter
          M. Peter 20 June 2013 19: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: belij
          The ax is ground, the shovel too. Let them take a chance. Yuri. Krasnoyarsk. Siberia


          I’ll support, we will meet everyone, our men are still strong. Peter, Ulan-Ude, Eastern Siberia.
        3. Captain45
          Captain45 20 June 2013 22: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: belij
          The ax is ground, the shovel too. Let them take a chance.
          Yuri. Krasnoyarsk. Siberia.

          There will be enough space in the tundra for everyone if they come.
          Yuri. Norilsk. Arctic.
      4. mogus
        mogus 20 June 2013 09: 03 New
        +2
        http://svpressa.ru/economy/article/68447/
        hi
        You just need to distribute money around the country fairly
        1. old man54
          old man54 20 June 2013 18: 16 New
          0
          Quote: mogus

          You just need to distribute money around the country fairly

          golden words and the root of all the problems of Russia
    3. old man54
      old man54 20 June 2013 18: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Vanek
      And even if foreign companies are invited, then on such terms that would not be beneficial to a handful of oligarchs with a bureaucratic top, and the whole macroregion.

      No no no no! Even under such conditions - NO!

      Ivan Novosibirsk Siberia.

      I agree 100%! Andrey, Novosibisrk. Siberia!:)))
  • Tersky
    Tersky 20 June 2013 07: 16 New
    15
    USA to Siberia? No guys, as an alternative we can offer only this:
    1. domokl
      domokl 20 June 2013 07: 40 New
      +8
      Quote: Tersky
      as an alternative, we can offer only this:

      Now it’s summer .... It’s warm with us ... Excursions to the taiga without poison from the midge are quite enough (although enough for Americans and poison). To forget about our area forever. laughing
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 20 June 2013 08: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        We have heat ... Excursions to the taiga without poison from midges are quite enough

        Alexander, good health! Yes, I was in your places on duty both in summer and winter, a familiar thing. For "tourists" the most .. extreme with a felling is so much adrenaline fellow they never dreamed .. laughing
      2. Simple
        Simple 20 June 2013 13: 55 New
        +1
        Novosibirsk forest mosquitoes, and even in the spring ....
        Impressions for life are enough.
        laughing
      3. M. Peter
        M. Peter 20 June 2013 20: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        Now it’s summer .... It’s warm with us ... Excursions to the taiga without poison from the midge are quite enough (although enough for Americans and poison). To forget about our area forever.

        With our fry and mosquitoes? An hour outside the city and suck everything and everything ... wink
  • fenix57
    fenix57 20 June 2013 07: 19 New
    +6
    Hello! Selling Russian officials at various levels (from the Kremlin to the district official)-That is what can lead to irreversible consequences. This is precisely the most evil for Siberia and the Far East!
    1. poquello
      poquello 21 June 2013 03: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: fenix57
      Hello! Selling Russian officials at various levels (from the Kremlin to the district official)-That is what can lead to irreversible consequences. This is precisely the most evil for Siberia and the Far East!


      Well, this "good" shits everywhere, and too many of those with greed overshadowing their conscience.
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 20 June 2013 07: 24 New
    +5
    The United States wants to Siberia ...
    _________
    Yeah wellcome angry angry. Just do not forget to ski, otherwise it will not be convenient to dump on the snow back angry. They want !!!
    1. domokl
      domokl 20 June 2013 07: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: avant-garde
      Yeah wellcome

      What kind of welk did you intend to drive them? Cabbage? So while the current leaves grew. Yesterday I saw on the Krasnoyarsk tract laughing
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 20 June 2013 08: 00 New
        +2
        Yes, I was going to drive them oh broom angry . Wellcome is welcome in their dialect. laughing
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 20 June 2013 08: 07 New
          14
          We can also welcome. For reference, we take Vietnamese hospitality
          1. avant-garde
            avant-garde 20 June 2013 08: 12 New
            +4
            This is not a humane option; they will coldly freeze in Siberia in this Vietnamese invention should be improved, namely, to make a fire there yes
            1. alexng
              alexng 20 June 2013 12: 45 New
              0
              Yes, they put matches there. Let them rekindle. For wolverine, there will be ready-fried meat.
              1. baboon
                baboon 20 June 2013 23: 22 New
                -1
                skewers on skewers
            2. M. Peter
              M. Peter 20 June 2013 20: 07 New
              +3
              In Siberia, it is not only cold in winter, but also hot in summer, the sharply continental climate is called. And even in the morning the sun may be hot, in an hour the snow will fall, by noon the sun, by noon the rain and in the evening again the sun. It is rather vascular ...
  • dark_65
    dark_65 20 June 2013 07: 25 New
    +3
    It’s interesting, but which one, otherwise I can’t call it, put the minuses to the author?
    Did you write something wrong ?, a person thinks, writes correctly, topics are needed.
    That's how much I read here, how much I observe., What a prolific hamster creation, rows are expanding, multiplying.
    There are smart, thinking people, but how many more Repetilovyhs are all noisy.
    Everyone doesn’t like Serdyukov, and what? What actions ... offered on the Internet to collect lawsuits against him and to the court-silence.
    The grandfather of the Airborne Forces planted in Eburg, none of the communities of the Airborne Forces jerked on the appeal.
    I respect the Turk more, are capable of actions.
  • Sanyht
    Sanyht 20 June 2013 07: 26 New
    +2
    Alaska is not enough for them ... Dallas deceased moved to the now living senile?
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 20 June 2013 07: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Sanyht
      .Dallas deceased relocated to the now senile senility?

      He did not evict from the moment of his death, as a sleeping infection, no, no, let it burn out. Only in this case, not a source, but total infection.
  • mogus
    mogus 20 June 2013 07: 43 New
    +4
    blah blah blah...
    Last year, more than 6 trillion rubles. collected. This year we are going to invest as much as 100 billion rubles. Chatting about thoughts is not a thing to do.
  • volkodav
    volkodav 20 June 2013 07: 45 New
    0
    it’s all the way to drive all Moscow fagot democrats, and even if they are sent to Siberia, it’s only to the penal colony and not to leading posts. In general, if such a policy with respect to the Siberian regions will continue to be to Moscow and the border across the Urals!
    1. mogus
      mogus 20 June 2013 08: 13 New
      +7
      chill out. This is what has been sought since the 90s, so that we ourselves can destroy the country from the inside. But for a year or two, two capitals, to plant an all-Russian ration, and there will be money for the country drinks
    2. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 20 June 2013 08: 44 New
      +3
      Valery got ahead of me. lol
      Well, if in addition to jokes, then really - first the border along the Urals, then along the Yenisei, Ob, Irtysh, Lena, Volga, Don, Kuban, Oka, Kama, Neva ... So we will divide into thousands of specific principalities - that’s not will become Great Russia. It’s like, but the frost tears me from such a terrible perspective.
      As for de (p) democracy, Russia has a powerful organism - we can cope with this disease-misfortune-misfortune. It is only necessary to do the work, and not sit idly by and talk. Let's start with ourselves and the younger generations. Proper, native, domestic education is a vaccine against Virus Mortiferum Americanism (Deadly Poison of Americanism).
  • xirurg.net
    xirurg.net 20 June 2013 07: 55 New
    +3
    Now it makes no sense to take away the country’s territories, all the more so, it makes no sense to invest in infrastructure instead of Us. The energy market and, accordingly, the resources were successfully seized under the traitors of the Motherland (remember ebn and spit hula from the mouth). Merit V.V. Putin lies in the fact that he, after all, takes away the reins of government in the Russian segment of the economy, by the name of which is the production and sale of hydrocarbons, for which many thanks to him. And only thanks to this, Russia is now able to express its opinion on the scales of our Ellipse. In general, you must be optimistic, and fight for YOURS, won by grandfathers !!!
    1. volkodav
      volkodav 20 June 2013 08: 01 New
      +2
      that’s just the point, our grandfathers mastered and created, and the Moscow fagots captured and the black-asses did not lag behind them. As far as the number of medveputs and their gop company, as our governor said, stop making fools of Siberian men
      1. alexkross83
        alexkross83 20 June 2013 09: 05 New
        +1
        These pi ... ki Moscow, as you say, are also Russian, I don’t know what was taken from you there, but this is not a reason to isolate about the Siberian peasants, because besides them there are Kostroma, Suzdal, Murmansk, St. Petersburg, etc. d. etc. and they are all Russian and all live in Russia ... and the governor is not far off, since he allows himself such statements ... for they are in the hands of precisely those freaks who are described in the article who have long wanted to create Siberia in your country, with by controlled mongrels like your governor ...
        1. volkodav
          volkodav 20 June 2013 09: 48 New
          +3
          laughing smiled. Our governor was a peasant-Evdokimov his last name. and about the peasants from Russia, at one forum they discussed the booze regarding the opening of a mine in some kind of hare, in Russia. so to my wish for an early start of production, local natives are mine, vornezhtsy mine, poured some sort of flow, saying that they don't need production and they don’t have a bad life. and let all the crap drip in your Siberia. captured = privatized. Yes, I’ve heard several times how they call us secretaries in Moscow offices — zamkadyshs, it’s understandable that she has such a job as a tea-maker ... she’s a sucker and she doesn’t care who has his mouth and her, hence another question about the distribution of tax with subsoil users, that it is fully, 100%, should remain in the mining region, and not go to Moscow. You look both at mkadysh and at hvrov any respect for the land of the Siberian awakening
          1. Volodin
            20 June 2013 12: 45 New
            +4
            And I am even more like you, as you say it, I will pour out because you are not in control of the situation, write nonsense. Voronezh residents go out in the tens of thousands on the square, defending their land, from which some people want to make a cesspool for the extraction of nickel (this is in the heart of the Black Earth Region, which half of the country are feeding agricultural products). Nickel mining in these places in Soviet times was recognized as unprofitable and destructive for fertile land in Voronezh. If you do not care about your land, then the citizens of Voronezh - no! And where did you read that, that Voronezh lives on subsidies? Do not write nonsense if you are not familiar with the situation. "Have ... any kind of guide" - what's this? Such Siberian chauvinism or ordinary stupidity of a single person? The second seems to be more traceable.
            1. old man54
              old man54 20 June 2013 22: 15 New
              0
              Quote: Volodin
              And I’m even more on you now, as you deigned to express, I will pour out due to the fact that you, not owning the situation, write nonsense.

              And you don’t pour your own, you’re not drowning in it yourself! The man in general, as a whole, correctly said in the case!
              Such Siberian chauvinism or the usual stupidity of a single person? The second seems to be more traceable.

              but I’m tracing the insult of a little boy in your words more, think, not so they told him about Voronezh! Nothing to breed damp here, too, me! And who in Voronezh promoted such a “wonderful” environmental project for you, did not bother to ask? I’ll tell you so - Moscow ... miraculous top managers! Or isn’t it? Who else has loot today to open up GOK enterprises from scratch?
              I’ll tell you something else, a certain h ... en in a cap that is hanging out around London now, he was actively promoting the project turning Siberian rivers! How do you like it? And it was openly lobbied, for quite some time, several years, even a certain project was already sketched out, justifying this with the fact that there is not enough water in Kazakhstan, and we, Russia (that is, they are from Moscow ...), we will sell it to them, and $ wipe my ass, so we will have a lot of them. I’m not busy as it would be in reality, but the people, right up to the real partisan war, were ready to resist;
            2. volkodav
              volkodav 4 July 2013 17: 23 New
              0
              I wonder how much you are “green”, the green ones are rolled off, the competitors of those who will produce production there?winked so much stink is not cheap. Or politics, as with the Khimki forest, when a prophet woman alone decided to propiarit
          2. Hleb
            Hleb 20 June 2013 13: 22 New
            0
            to my wish in the speedy start of production, local natives are mine, vornezhtsy mine, I poured some kind of runoff, saying that they don't need production
            and I would support them. Well done people in Abakan, they defended the land and eventually did not build a silicon plant there. They began to build it with us. And the meetings were held, but there was no sense. There were not enough people ..
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 20 June 2013 08: 11 New
    +4
    I can’t understand why our “economists” are so happy when they talk about the influx of foreign investment. A fool understands what investment is, when you invest a ruble, you get 1000. Why is America not attracting investment? Just if the investment exceeds even 30% in the country's economy, it loses its independence. That’s what our government seeks by following “our economists”, “reformers”
    1. volkodav
      volkodav 20 June 2013 08: 22 New
      0
      and here you are fundamentally wrong. hi
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 20 June 2013 08: 50 New
        0
        prove it. just not just with words but with reason
        1. volkodav
          volkodav 20 June 2013 10: 25 New
          +1
          Investment investment discord. It is one thing when they simply buy stocks (which is mainly done by Western investors) or give out loans, and another thing when they open a new production (machine shop plants). GDP constantly indicates a shortage of high-quality investors, not speculators, and the Ministry of Finance in its reports both of them rake into one boiler and give out the total amount. as a rule, the outflow of investments in a difficult period is connected with the flight of speculative capital from the country, because a high-quality investor can withdraw production and return it to Russia once or twice a year laughing going for Russian Railways it was just a holiday
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 20 June 2013 11: 30 New
            +2
            That's just about such investments for which you worry and affirm, elementary logic. Someone from abroad brought money to Russia for this money to build production, everything seems to be fine and there are production and jobs, everyone is happy. But why no one thinks who owns the production? and where does the profit go from this production? Even with all taxes paid, up to 80% of the profits will go to the investor. and so having invested a certain amount once, he will receive a profit on a monthly basis. and if the invested money does not pay off within a year or two at most, no one will invest in production. This is the first, second, as I already wrote, if the investment exceeds 30%, then in which case the investor, or the shareholder, can simply freeze production. To arrange sabotage, what do you think will happen in the country in this situation?
            Although of course you can go for an international scandal, expel investors leaving all production to yourself, I wonder who in our government would take such steps
            1. volkodav
              volkodav 20 June 2013 11: 51 New
              0
              We have already gone on the Sakhalin projects, where did you see the profitability in order to recoup in two years? belay A serious investor is a serious project.
              1. vladsolo56
                vladsolo56 20 June 2013 19: 00 New
                0
                Well, I’m explaining to you about that no one invests money on serious large production projects.
  • Xmypp
    Xmypp 20 June 2013 08: 18 New
    +5
    Let's clarify the situation a bit. Here is all this talk about Siberia, no more blah, blah, blah ..
    I don’t know how in other districts, but in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug the governor herself is like .... Well, who would doubt it. Salary lower than in the same Yekaterinburg, personally verified. Most young specialists remain in large cities. They have been saying here for a long time: "it is necessary to bring down from the north .."
    The company is the property of Russia. Gazprom is a private shop; Lukoil oil is also private. Wood sawing chocks, with it insolent. Many reserves in the forest are the territories of watch companies (according to the law of law, lawyers can draw up), etc. etc.
    So what kind of Siberia are we talking about ..
  • Renat
    Renat 20 June 2013 08: 22 New
    +5
    I’m afraid to upset you comrades, but the Yankees have long since released their tentacles to the bowels of Siberia. In the form of any kind of joint venture, etc. We do not have a law protecting the interests of the country in subsoil use. The reserves are really huge, oil, gas, forest, water. After all, M.V. Lomonosov was right about the power of Russia and Siberia.
  • volkodav
    volkodav 20 June 2013 08: 26 New
    +3
    it’s just that taxes from subsoil users should be left in the mining regions, then allah will have more money for devils like Kadyrov
    1. Renat
      Renat 20 June 2013 09: 25 New
      +1
      A small portion of the profits from mining did indeed remain in the region. But under the former president, all the money began to go to the center. And Moscow already decided how much money to return back. The richest regions have become subsidized. And objectionable governors simply sent to rest.
      1. old man54
        old man54 20 June 2013 22: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: Renat
        And Moscow already decided how much money to return back. The richest regions have become subsidized.

        but Moscow, according to their Jewish calculations, has never been subsidized, and like a donor, they always procrastinated on TV always before. And people couldn’t take any idea how it was, why Moscow has such an economy. It seems that the whole country lives in oil and gas, but only Moscow is profitable ??? :))
      2. stroporez
        stroporez 21 June 2013 10: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Renat
        And objectionable governors simply sent to rest.
        and to whom and to hell, an example is V.A. Petukhov
  • andreika87
    andreika87 20 June 2013 08: 32 New
    +4
    would you cookie them, not Siberia, even the income from it would go completely to the people, and not to individual "citizens."
  • kavkaz8888
    kavkaz8888 20 June 2013 08: 34 New
    +2
    Nah rotten Moscow. The capital should be in OMSK.
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 20 June 2013 08: 36 New
      +6
      Quote: kavkaz8888
      The capital should be in OMSK.

      I don’t agree with you all this riffraff to us in the city well, nah .., let them all be there !!!
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 20 June 2013 08: 46 New
        0
        that's for sure!
    2. volkodav
      volkodav 20 June 2013 09: 50 New
      +2
      fairer Novosibirsk hi
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 20 June 2013 09: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: volkodav
        fairer Novosibirsk

        Take away hi
        1. old man54
          old man54 20 June 2013 22: 38 New
          0
          Quote: avant-garde
          Quote: volkodav
          fairer Novosibirsk

          Take away hi

          no, no, not really !! :)) Out in Tomsk or Barnal is better, we don’t need such "good"! :))
          1. Egen
            Egen 21 June 2013 09: 27 New
            0
            Quote: old man54
            Get to Tomsk or Barnal

            neither the one nor the other :), there the streets are narrow, traffic jams will immediately fall into the book of records :) Yes, and Novosib, to drive normally around the city and the city in the morning, we leave from Kemerovo in 5 in the morning :( The only thing is Krasnoyarsk, there are housing and communal services and the people were intelligent in construction, they watched the roads :)
          2. stroporez
            stroporez 21 June 2013 10: 45 New
            +1
            Kolyma Territory also master the nada ------ nominal Kaylo, quilted jacket - and "to start"
  • Sergey21
    Sergey21 20 June 2013 08: 37 New
    +2
    I think the amers just want to die on our land! Yes, and in such a fabulous place!
  • jamalena
    jamalena 20 June 2013 08: 38 New
    +2
    “What did you expect from a pirate nation?” This can be compared to a locust invasion. Let them master the Moon or Mars, the arrogant Saxons are not finished ...
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 20 June 2013 08: 39 New
    +2
    the main enemy is Moscow with an insatiable thought and the government, I don’t know the enterprises in the outback wherever they control it, they suck out what remains of the USSR
  • Bakunin
    Bakunin 20 June 2013 08: 46 New
    +4
    "The United States wants to Siberia ..." - Bite a bite!
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 20 June 2013 08: 51 New
    +8
    It is not very profitable to produce shale oil in the greenhouse conditions of the USA, but even more so in Siberian conditions. Unless a barrel of oil jumps above $ 200. In terms of the number of reserves of natural resources and the conditions for their development, Africa will give odds to Siberia, that's where the world pantry is where the interests of the USA-Europe_China-Arabs clash.
    As far as I understand the article, the next scarecrow “USA will seize” so that the pseudo-patriots, in an angry outburst, arrange “Yes, we tell them! ... Yes, they went on! ... Yes, they! ...” There’s no sense from these scarecrows Siberia and Far East, he is only interested in diamonds, oil, gas, gold, aluminum, and who will mine it is absolutely not important, as well as the consequences of mining. To poison the Angara, Yenisei for aluminum, Baikal for cellulose, to flood forests for electricity in order to sell to China ... And let people live as they like, with shitty roads, with coal and wood heating, with plane prices like on Mars ... But with a patriotic sense of the greatness of Russia and for this to be supported, similar articles are needed.
    1. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 20 June 2013 09: 35 New
      0
      How do you know about flooded forests?
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 20 June 2013 11: 04 New
        +1
        My father flooded the village for the sake of the Bratsk Hydroelectric Power Station, shipping is still limited there, as the forest was not cut and it still stands under water. Boguchanskoe reservoir is the same ...
  • fenix57
    fenix57 20 June 2013 08: 53 New
    +5
    Quote: Sergey21
    I think the amers just want to die on our land! Yes, and in such a fabulous place!

    No need to ban our fabulously beautiful country with the presence of mattresses, even if they are dead!Let them sit at home and die there.
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 20 June 2013 08: 56 New
    +2
    yes, the lip is not a fool. you need to quickly build muscle to moderate the appetites of our "sculpted friends"
  • Hort
    Hort 20 June 2013 09: 07 New
    0
    The United States wants to Siberia ...
    Well, if only as a Trans-Baikal Komsomolets on 501 \ 503 construction sites. Or sunny Dixon to master
  • 128mgb
    128mgb 20 June 2013 09: 10 New
    +3
    Article plus. But talk about the oligarchs, ours, is not necessary.
  • Byordovvv1
    Byordovvv1 20 June 2013 09: 12 New
    +1
    Welcome the Americans to our Siberia, we are always glad to see you on the "national" construction sites of Russia in shackles! Welcome...
  • LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 20 June 2013 09: 13 New
    +1
    Hello! Send these dibiloids to hell! If necessary - we’ll take Alaska back. And if you snoop-you’ll go to Siberia, but not for what you wanted !!! angry
  • Svarog
    Svarog 20 June 2013 09: 19 New
    +5
    There will be no development of Siberia, and people will not go here until the taxes of ALL large enterprises are paid in Moscow, as is happening now. Taxes must be paid at the physical location of the enterprise! Firstly, it will give a bunch of new jobs, secondly, the regions will cease to be "subsidized", otherwise it turns out that Moscow feeds everyone ...
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 20 June 2013 09: 23 New
    +7
    You probably did not understand the meaning of the article. It is not that American troops will land in Siberia and take it to themselves, this method is good for the Banana Republics and the Persian Gulf countries. Believe us, we really do not have oil and gas production technologies that are available on In the West, the Americans just want to be the first to enter this market, and it should go to ExxonMobil or Chevron, not the Chinese. Of course, these companies will work 90% of the Russian people, and oil will go to the US, we will receive (in the sense of not we, and a bunch of oligarchs) are pictures of American presidents. Why fight with Russia when it itself gives oil for cut paper? Of course we are the most powerful and unimaginably cool, only a lot of people in our country walk in pink glasses and do not see further nose.
    1. xan
      xan 20 June 2013 14: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Believe us, we really do not have the oil and gas technologies that are available in the West

      we already produce gas and oil more than anyone else, why do we also need shale gas?
      let the children and grandchildren remain.
      And to develop Siberia, this, according to their concepts, means pumping minerals from there. To hell with such a development!
      Let the United States put its technology for the development of Siberia into its crack.
      And the people in Siberia are few, so there’s nothing to worry about - fewer people, more oxygen. Whoever snoops there without the permission of Russia will bury him or lie down themselves (but this is unlikely, based on historical experience). Siberia is not some kind of Syria or even Ukraine.
  • Evgeniy-111
    Evgeniy-111 20 June 2013 09: 23 New
    +5
    Over the reserves of their oil, the Americans, with great surprise, discovered an Arab country ...
  • demon ada
    demon ada 20 June 2013 09: 25 New
    +7
    America wants to Siberia
    добро пожаловать
    I propose to open a network of holiday labor camps for American (and other) states.
    with a morning wake at 6-00
    clearing snow in Siberia.
    timber harvesting.
    rock cutting
    laying railway roads, etc.
    with the obligatory performance of the anthem of the Russian Federation in the morning, afternoon and before the end of the call.
    disturbed order and rules of stay will stay here forever.
  • Komodo
    Komodo 20 June 2013 09: 47 New
    +4
    Oh ... ate! Better to rebuild Alaska, wash, clean,
    Blacks are taken out. Enough, taken advantage of.
  • deman73
    deman73 20 June 2013 09: 51 New
    +7
    And in the face they don’t want to get used to open their mouth on someone else’s freeloaders
  • PValery53
    PValery53 20 June 2013 09: 54 New
    +4
    That lifted a country out of poverty by hydrocarbons is right. And now - to raise the industry and lower the "fat cats" officials, yes, and even bury organized crime - and then the people will breathe a lot easier. (Dreams, dreams, where is your sweetness? ..) In the country there is a "master" for such actions ?! ..
  • Egen
    Egen 20 June 2013 09: 55 New
    +3
    "The US wants to Siberia ..."
    - Yes, they do not want anywhere, they want money!

    "the desire of many international" partners "will seize on the Siberian and Far Eastern resources and territories in order to extract huge profits from here"
    - That's it, but they don’t need to master Siberia!

    "At the same time, specialists from the United States opaque hinted that if someone extracts this oil and succeeds, it is exclusively from the American companies that are called shale hydrocarbons that ate the dog."
    - on the one hand, they are right, only the USA has experience (real, real), and Canada and Australia have even half as much. But everything rests on grandmas. Canadians and Australians are "cheaper" (in the sense, their help)

    "By the way, the presence of almost 70 billion barrels of shale oil in Western Siberia has not yet been confirmed by the Russian side."
    - and how can this be confirmed? Reserves are put on balance only after the pilot operation of exploratory wells. Data from structural wells, seismic data is all garbage by and large, only preliminary data that foreigners clearly do not like.
    So the point is that in order to supply reserves to the Rosnedra, you need to do a lot of work and spend millions of dollars on exploration. And then any foreign will come to the ready-made area and take off the "cream", and those costs - to Russia.

    Example.
    Already wrote (and I) on the forum about gas and Shell in our Kuzbass. Who cares, the current state of affairs for us, for example, here:
    [media = http: //moygorod.tv/citynews/story/10439-v-kuzbasse-nachali-dobyvat-metan.
    html]
    and so:
    [media = http: //vesti42.ru/news/society/00011706/? sphrase_id = 87685]

    In general, it is moving with us, not so fast and not with such great profitability, but the dashing trouble began.
    Not everyone knows that Shell was going to produce methane with Gazprom (I don’t remember where, but it was on their website). So, according to the latest data from Shell himself, they calculated that it was still unprofitable for them to do this. Because there are few proven reserves, hence a small percentage of profitability. Behind the scenes, the context is this: you (Gazprom, Kuzbass, Russia) first thoroughly scout everything (and for this, build roads in the mountain taiga, conduct core studies (by drilling small wells) and seismic data, etc., determine at what points are best to drill, and then we’ll come and drill as needed. And for this we will take gas.
    Sorry, only our share accounts for 50% of the costs, and all gas to them. The stump is clear then any yeti will be profitable! Otherwise, for them, Shel, it is certainly more profitable to develop the Sakhalin project, where there are almost no costs, the sales market is stable, and prices are only rising.
    I hope such ... stupid, we do not have to go to such conditions.
  • Logician
    Logician 20 June 2013 09: 56 New
    +1
    border to the castle !! and restore order in the house !!! we are without them all, we feel and develop many times better !!!
  • tixon444
    tixon444 20 June 2013 09: 57 New
    +2
    What is there to discuss - give them Siberia! Let Alaska be returned first!

  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 20 June 2013 10: 01 New
    +3
    There is no limit to American rudeness and arrogance. Does historical experience teach them nothing? For centuries, the West has sought to flood into our bins. It always ended with one and the same: the one who came with the sword from the sword perished. Americans will be more cunning and more impudent. They will come up with theories about the "democratization" of Siberia and the rights of the Yakuts. After their actions in Libya, Iraq, Syria there is nothing to be surprised.
  • rus_ak_93
    rus_ak_93 20 June 2013 10: 19 New
    +4
    Quote: fenix57
    No need to ban our fabulously beautiful country with the presence of mattresses, even if they are dead! Let them sit at home and die there.


    you are formidable in words, try in practice!
    il old hero, deceased in bed,
    unable to screw up your Ishmael bayonet?
    Il Russian Tsar is powerless word?
    il we argue with Europe is new?
    il Russian lost victories from victories?
    il few of us? or from Perm to Tauris,
    from Finnish cold cliffs to fiery Colchis,
    from the shocked Kremlin
    to the walls of immovable China,
    sparkling steel bristles,
    Russian land will not rise? ..
    so send it to us, vitia,
    their embittered sons:
    there is a place for them in the fields of Russia
    among the coffins they are not alien to.
  • studentmati
    studentmati 20 June 2013 10: 25 New
    +3
    Quote: omsbon
    It seems to me that China is more dangerous for Siberia!
    China is not a friend, China is a fellow traveler.

    China, unfortunately, is already in Siberia and the Far East. And it continues to confidently spread out wider and wider, methodically planting its own rules on the ground and in the heads of the remaining Russians. An extremely powerful "fifth column" is being formed in the vastness of Siberia, which will wait for the go-ahead of its patrons.
    1. volkodav
      volkodav 20 June 2013 10: 31 New
      +3
      blah blah blah ... there is simply no desire for GDP in the development of Siberia and the Far East. Generally speaking, there’s no reluctance to talk about the bear. Do Tajiks and Uzbeks work on state contracts on state contracts? if desired, it was possible to create a state building trust, which carried out the whole cycle of work, and local workers worked, well, at worst, citizens of the Russian Federation, not monkeys
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 20 June 2013 19: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: volkodav
        do you think Tajiks and Uzbeks work on government contracts?

        They can draw less than ours! What is not clear here! This indicates. that in our country they do not rule, but business .......
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 20 June 2013 10: 30 New
    +5
    do not piss off the vile and mosquitoes for us the enemy will be defeated victory will be ours. soldier
  • Soviet_Union
    Soviet_Union 20 June 2013 10: 32 New
    +2
    And what’s the problem then. In Russia, there is still enough non-shale oil and gas. And Siberia and the Far East are an untouchable reserve. To my grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Therefore, the deposits are to be closed, mothballed, classified, and put under protection for bears, goblin and Topol-m. And the bourgeoisie roll out big and fat.
    1. volkodav
      volkodav 20 June 2013 10: 39 New
      +1
      I put up a drain of forces and means at one time, now it’s not an option, canning and secreting, and who will pay pension and salary in Russia? we have all the self-sufficient regions, the current as soon as the problem immediately they all remember about oil and gas revenues. And when denyushka goes to see subsidies, so we ourselves with a mustache are also in your Siberia, we are proud Voronezh, Yaroslavl, Moskvich, and you are a sub-intake, not even sweeter than carrots
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 21 June 2013 17: 01 New
        0
        volkodav RU Yesterday, 10:39 ↑
        ... And when denyushka goes to see subsidies, so we ourselves with a mustache are also in your Siberia, we are proud Voronezh, Yaroslavl, Moskvich, and you are a sub-intake, not even seeing carrots sweeter ...
        They themselves understood what they wanted to say?
  • Check
    Check 20 June 2013 10: 37 New
    +4
    Better a pin ... he himself will not succumb to the Siberians. grab.
    It seems to me that now they are investing a lot of money for rearmament as the number one topic. and the active development of the Siberian and Far Eastern regions will follow. himself from the southern part of Yakutia.))
  • Manager
    Manager 20 June 2013 10: 44 New
    +2
    On the day when the leg of a foreign adversary sets foot in Siberia with his “business”, it will be the day the beginning of the end of our country’s existence!
    Let Moscow conduct their own business. I didn’t feel bad here. But I’m better off with my family to go to Siberia myself.
  • Dejavu
    Dejavu 20 June 2013 10: 50 New
    +2
    Some kind of gag is continuous. If only they would come and take it away. What a heresy ?! No one will ever let the Pind * Osov jackals into Siberia. Our oligarchs themselves have long become jackals who will gnaw anyone's throat for "our" bowels and not only bowels. To draw such conclusions, this is from one area that ZOMG CHINESE STEP UP, FAR EAST WILL BE TAKEN AWAY AAAAAAA THANKS !!!! 11! "

    Russia is already strong and independent enough to let anyone in or out of its bowels. The resourceful gayropeytsy and sha to Syria are afraid to climb to the fullest, and you say they will come to Siberia. Bullshit and nothing more.
    1. volkodav
      volkodav 20 June 2013 10: 54 New
      +1
      so no one speaks of military intervention, the economy, that is, granules and only granules. and by the way they are already in Siberia, in any industry, at least one company from the usa or geyropa works as a contractor. This is done by Gazprom and Rosneft, their mother .. well, and dad too
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    3. nycsson
      nycsson 20 June 2013 19: 25 New
      0
      Quote: dejavu
      No one will ever let the Pind * Osov jackals into Siberia.

      Where do we have an American transshipment base? Not in Siberia by accident? I forgot how the city is called!
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 20 June 2013 10: 52 New
    +6
    Yes, Mother Siberia is the tidbit on the planet. Our ancestors conquered it and cherished it for us. As if we weren’t talking about it ... they won’t forgive us for it.
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 20 June 2013 11: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      no matter how ... you give it to us ... they will not forgive us for this.

      I won’t let them even think scared that they might be here for one day, and if they imagine that they have to live here, it’s like death for them.
      Can you imagine amerikos coming into the woods by no knower, and from there a misha like your avatar, what will happen to amerikos there, not even one of the highest quality jeans will fall back laughing laughing
  • Uhe
    Uhe 20 June 2013 11: 09 New
    +2
    And Rosneft is considered to be sold to the States. So what's the point of physically occupying something if you can buy economically? However, not only Rosneft was sold ...
  • pamero
    pamero 20 June 2013 11: 17 New
    +2
    just do not understand that Siberia is all for Russia! Or the enemy deliberately hides everything about Siberia. I think here, without options in Siberia, it is necessary to build factories and plants. Resources. Radom. The land is empty. All that is needed is there. There is no political solution! Until Khrushchev, this will, a decision regarding Siberia, was later specifically forgotten about it! Production in SIBERIA !!!