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T-90C and "Sunlight" for Azerbaijan: what follows from this

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T-90C and "Sunlight" for Azerbaijan: what follows from this



On June 18, there were reports in the media - and short notes, and analytical articles, and interviews with experts full of gloomy forecasts - about large deliveries of Russian land weapons to Azerbaijan. This is about tanks, BMP, multiple launch rocket systems, heavy flamethrower systems, and so on. In a word - about weapons not defensive, but offensive. The press mentions the billion-dollar value of the supply contracts.

According to Gazeta.ru with reference to an unnamed source “Vedomosti”, contracts were concluded for three battalions (94 units) of T-90 tanks, about three battalions (about 100 units) of infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3, one division (18 units) self-propelled artillery installations “Msta -C ", one division (18 launchers) multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS)" Smerch ", one division (18 units) self-propelled artillery" Vienna "and one battery (6 units) of heavy flame-throwing systems TOC-1" Solntsek " (new modification of "Buratino").

According to the source in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the total cost of the systems together with the ammunition can be, judging by the nomenclature, not less than 700 million dollars, and possibly about a billion.

The main objective of the contractual deliveries of Russian land military equipment to Azerbaijan is financial gain. About it IA "REGNUM" said military expert Vladislav Shurygin, deputy editor-in-chief of the newspaper Zavtra. In his opinion, if the data on the configuration of the equipment delivered to Azerbaijan is correct, then it is assumed that at least one military compound will be armed (ranging in size from a reinforced brigade to a division).

“Apparently, Azerbaijan is modernizing ground forces. Of course, these are the troops that will resolve issues with any of the following aggravations in the zone of the Nagorno-Karabakh issue. Therefore, if the question is raised whether the supply of such weapons to Azerbaijan, the answer is obvious: unequivocally, ”said Comrade Shurygin. On the other hand, Russia is not interested in destabilizing the situation, and the main “fuse”, according to the expert, here is the presence of the Russian military contingent in Armenia. “The motivation is clear: the Russian side needs finance. At the same time, Moscow hopes that Azerbaijan will not attack the country in whose territory the troops of the country from which he buys weapons are located. Baku will not dare to attack the country, which is connected with Russia by the Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance.

And the very supply of weapons to Azerbaijan, Shurygin believes, is a kind of lever of influence on the situation.

The journalist did not escape the attention of both. If the weapon is not supplied by Russia, someone else will do it. Who is also interested in the benefit, add on my own.

Vladislav Shurygin called the state that could help Azerbaijan with arms supplies: “Turkey, for example. There are no obstacles here, and if suddenly Azerbaijan decides to buy NATO arms from its ally, this will lead to an increase in the influence of Ankara and a reduction in the influence of Moscow in the region. In other words, the political motive is added to the financial motive, and Russia is not interested in refusing to sell weapons to Azerbaijan. ”

Of course, there are other opinions.

Andrey Ivanov ("Free press"), for example, notes that, firstly, the conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh is not settled; secondly, the situation around Iran is heating up; thirdly, Armenia is Russia's ally in the Collective Security Treaty Organization.

According to Vladimir Zakharov, director of the Institute for Political Studies of the Black Sea-Caspian Region, short-sighted decisions on the supply of arms to Azerbaijan may be related to corruption in the Russian government:

“I don’t think that politics is involved. The weapons sold are actually private offices. They are not interested in the state of the state to which supplies are going, they are not interested in political problems. They care only about profit. My opinion: Azerbaijan is becoming the enemy of Russia. The current Azerbaijan is anti-Russian. He needs weapons to start a war with Nagorno-Karabakh, and then to participate in the war against Iran. In Baku, they no longer hide the fact that in the event of anti-Erin aggression they are ready to join the Western states. ”


The expert suggests that “Putin knows nothing.” Why? And because he does not report on deliveries. In Russia, there is a “powerful Azerbaijani lobby,” the analyst says.

“... Many officials bought by official Baku. Some of them sit in the presidential administration. They give Putin only the information that they consider profitable to give. "


As for Armenia, then, according to the expert, it is "melting before our eyes." 3,5 had a million people there before, and now only half a million, he says.

The analyst explains the political situation in Baku by saying that Aliyev wants to remain in power, and “adventurers” are standing next to him, anxious about their personal enrichment at the expense of oil super-profits. The expert also believes that Aliyev believes that he will be able to attach part of the territory of Iran.

The grim scenario of the future, Vladimir Zakharov, complements the statement that “there is an agreement with the United States that the hour of“ X ”will come when the war for Nagorno-Karabakh begins. And Karabakh borders with Iran. ”

Fikret Sadikhov, a professor at the Western University in Baku, explains the situation with the arming of the motherland as follows:

“The society of Azerbaijan takes a positive view of arming its army with new equipment. Because the problem of Nagorno-Karabakh has not been solved for 20 for years. In addition to this territory, where separatism is rampant, seven regions of the country are under Armenian occupation. There are four UN resolutions on this subject, but they do not work. Our territories should be liberated, but resolutions are not implemented.

Azerbaijan is determined to conduct diplomatic negotiations and is ready to actively participate in resolving the conflict. But the question is not solved. Therefore, the desire of Azerbaijan to acquire weapons is quite natural. We just need to free our territory. ”


With regard to deliveries under contracts, then, the expert says, Azerbaijan has the full right to acquire weapons from a strategic partner - Russia.

Some cooling between Baku and Moscow, according to Fikret Sadikhov, is due to the fact that Russia is chairing the OSCE Minsk Group on the settlement of the Karabakh conflict. Russia recognizes the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan, but at the same time encourages Armenia, which, according to Sadikhov, has occupied territories belonging to Azerbaijan. On the whole, the expert noted, the attitude towards Russia is positive.

Regarding rumors about a war against Iran, Fikret Sadikhov said that such a scenario is absolutely hopeless, and ideas on this subject are “completely reckless.” The country's leadership has repeatedly stated that the country will not become a platform for attacking Iran.

Listen to the other side.

On what compensation Armenia will receive and what objectives Baku pursues when buying offensive weapons, 19 June told in an exclusive interview "News-Armenia" military expert, head of the political research department of the Caucasus Institute Sergey Minasyan. Among other things, he noted:

“I think that this phenomenon is traditional for the military-technical policy of Russia in the South Caucasus. In essence, nothing new happens. Russia both continued and continues to sell weapons and military equipment to Azerbaijan at market prices, at the same time compensating for this with supplies on preferential terms, and often practically even for free the corresponding equipment and equipment of the Armenian army. ”


True, this equipment is “half a generation lower than the most modern types of weapons purchased by Azerbaijan at market prices,” but all types of weapons can be modernized. In addition, the qualitative advantage can be compensated quantitatively.

And if Azerbaijan will be delivered two hundred T-90, then Armenia will receive at least three hundred T-72 of previous models.

As a result, Minasyan said, Azerbaijan actually finances the rearmament of Armenia for its money.

How will this affect the situation?

And everyone will be happy, the expert believes.

“... Ilham Aliyev buys expensive toys that he will be showing at the parade on the eve of the presidential elections, a part of the Azerbaijani public will be happy seeing this equipment at the parade and continuing to believe in fairy tales that soon (as it is already 20 years) Azerbaijan will begin operation for the liberation of Karabakh, Russia is happy because it received about a billion, and maybe more, from a customer who fell from the sky. The military-political leadership of Armenia is sufficient, as a result of this it will be able to re-equip its tank, artillery parks, other categories of weapons and military equipment. Western partners are also happy, because as a result of this, anti-Russian sentiments will increase in Armenia, and even those organizations in Armenia that pursue anti-Russian policy will be happy, because as a result, they will get quite a beneficial field for their activities. ”


As for the balance of power in the region, it is not disturbed, the analyst believes.

At the end of May, Igor Korotchenko, director of TSAMTO, chief editor of the National Defense magazine, commenting on the information that Iskander-M operational-tactical missile systems and Tornado-G multiple-launch rocket systems would arrive in Armenia, the correspondent IA "REGNUM"that the planned general modernization of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation fully affects facilities both in the country and abroad. This fully applies to the 102 of the Russian military base in Gyumri.

The interlocutor explained that within the framework of military-political cooperation, Russia will “take care” of its base on the territory of Armenia, contribute to the modernization of the Armenian armed forces and create conditions for this, as well as supply weapons to the partner at preferential prices.

Answering the question of how they can assess the development of military-political cooperation between Russia and Armenia in Azerbaijan, Comrade Korotchenko said: “Baku can react as it pleases. It is important for us how we understand our contacts with Armenia. We will not forget that thanks to Baku’s “practical” policy, Russia lost its radar station in Azerbaijan. We were squeezed out of there under the pretext of the need to increase the rent, while naming a fabulous amount. We just squeezed, and we left. At the same time, Russia is not going to take revenge, does not take revenge - Baku had a right which it used. Russia has the right to remember this in a global, geopolitical sense. ” I. Korotchenko believes that Russia has no such problems with Armenia: “Relations with Armenia are very important for us and are one of Russia's military priorities, including as a factor of stability. They develop in absolute accordance with the logic of bilateral relations in the post-Soviet period. Armenia is one of the most important allies of Russia, and that says it all. ”

So, cool the head. Speculations are inappropriate. No one incites conflict and pits the nations, while arming them. The Azerbaijani shadow lobby does not control Russia, the residents of Baku do not dream of an assault on Tehran, and the Kremlin is not interested in regional destabilization.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. 094711601
    094711601 20 June 2013 07: 21 New
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    CORRECTLY! MAKING MUCH MONEY, MAKING GREAT POLICIES .... AND EVERYTHING DOESN'T FUCK THAT THE LIFES OF THE ARMENIAN AND AZERI BOYS ARE PUT ON THE CARD .......
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 20 June 2013 07: 28 New
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      The expert suggests that “Putin knows nothing.” Why? And because he does not report on deliveries. In Russia, there is a “powerful Azerbaijani lobby,” the analyst says. Well, yes, GDP does not know the alphabet, therefore it is not able to read the news press, it is deaf that does not hear the radio, it does not watch television because it is blind, it lives in Muhoshor @ nsk where there is no Internet ... And all this is called in one word - ABSURD.
      1. experienced
        experienced 20 June 2013 07: 45 New
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        Week of Azerbaijan on the site "VO" winked That's right: business and nothing more. Azerbaijan pays for our weapons with "real" money, and does not receive them free of charge or against the allocated Russian loans. And Putin knows everything very well and I would not be surprised that the supply of weapons was a very popular combination: the information went too actively that the Armenian lobby in America wants to attract the States to the region.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 20 June 2013 08: 08 New
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          "T-90S and" Solntsepёk "for Azerbaijan: what follows from this"

          It follows that Russia poured in and sold its weapons to a non-poor buyer, tied Azerbaijan’s heavy land weapons to modernization and repair at its factories and with its specialists, i.e. This is a cost effective business. And it is very good that this weapon was not sold by Turkey, but by us.
          1. Uhe
            Uhe 20 June 2013 11: 00 New
            +3
            Yeah, it’s especially good if this weapon then gets into, say, the so-called Syria. rebels. At one time, they allegedly supplied weapons to supposedly pro-Russian Chechens, but in the end it fell to the belligerents against us, and our guys were killed from our own weapons.

            The Russian Federation loves to sell its weapons to our potential enemies, and not to supply to its army, unfortunately. You see, money is far from everything. Our country is so rich that we will live well without export, that is, on our own, especially if we finally reunite with other parts of Russia - Malaya and Belaya. But screwing up in foreign policy, chasing a long ruble, is extremely easy. In the USSR, there were powerful tools for analytics, for playing games on a foreign field, nullifying the possibility of error. And then they were mistaken, like Stalin did with the creation of Israel — he thought that Jews who had been raised and trained in the USSR would be a deliberate force in the region against pro-American Arabs, but it turned out the other way around; as a result, we had to urgently seek among the Arabs allies against Israel and the same pro-Arab Arabs, while Israel became a faithful ally of the United States. And this is Stalin, the genius of foreign policy, was mistaken! To the present shadows.

            There is an Azerbaijani lobby in the Russian Federation. And it is very strong. Most of Moscow, for example, was bought up precisely by the citizens of Azerbaijan (mainly mountain Jews) under Luzhkov. ...... they look at Turkey, and Turkey at any moment can throw off a raid of friendliness towards us and show its eternal enemy grin.

            However, I hope that ours will not be mistaken here. I would like to believe.
            1. mansur
              mansur 20 June 2013 11: 08 New
              +4
              Quote: Uhe
              The Russian Federation loves to sell its weapons to our potential enemies, and not to supply to its army, unfortunately.

              “Selling the latest Favorit air defense systems instead of Iran to Azerbaijan is a political miscalculation, or rather, the geopolitical mistake of Dmitry Medvedev. We lost a lot in agreeing with Washington and signing the START-3 treaty with him. Not in all in our interests have international agreements been signed on the North Seas. At the request of former Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov, Medvedev authorized the signing of an agreement with Israel on the exchange of intelligence. It’s very difficult to fix all these agreements now, including with regard to Azerbaijan, which is increasing the military budget and taking actions that run counter to the interests of Russia and its allies, ”said Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov, President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 20 June 2013 11: 37 New
                +1
                Quote: mansur
                political miscalculation, or rather, the geopolitical error of Dmitry Medvedev.



                damn ..... Anatoly Dmitrievich !! YOU had to obey Mansur .... he's a super strategist!. ah-ah-ah ....... laughing
                1. mansur
                  mansur 20 June 2013 11: 45 New
                  +4
                  Quote: smersh70
                  damn ..... Anatoly Dmitrievich !! YOU had to obey Mansur .... he's a super strategist!. ah-ah-ah .......

                  And Mansur and not at all you listen better
                  Colonel-General Leonid Ivashova, President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, if you are not familiar
                  Russian military and public figure, specialist in the field of geopolitics, conflict resolution, international relations, military history. Colonel General of the reserve (since 2001), President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems. Doctor of Historical Sciences (1998), Professor, Department of International Journalism, MGIMO. Former Head of the Main Directorate of International Military Cooperation of the Ministry of Defense of Russia (1996-2001)
                  1. mansur
                    mansur 20 June 2013 11: 54 New
                    +1
                    No arguments. Cons went thanks.
                2. Scoun
                  Scoun 20 June 2013 12: 41 New
                  +8
                  Damn ... that's honest ... discarding / putting aside the blood and pain of the 90s, two presidents would have sat down
                  yes would decide .. UN recognizes integrity? recognizes ....
                  20 years relationship strained? stretched ..
                  Is development inhibited? slows down ...
                  Well, like, let's put off the tension already ... here are the territories ... and here you have open borders plus investments and the commonplace tension will drop ..
                  Well, something like that .. otherwise it's not good for all of us either .. but it’s going on .. IMHA.
                  Must not constantly look into the past ... you still have to drag forward, facing the future.
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 20 June 2013 13: 29 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Scoun
                    Is development inhibited? slows down ..



                    Your words would be in Sargsyan’s ears hi
                    1. buruntuz
                      buruntuz 23 June 2013 22: 03 New
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                      how is your moon-eyed Mehriban? Not yet
                      next prezik your synthetic fuel oil
                      education?
              2. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 20 June 2013 14: 57 New
                +2
                Or maybe Russia also wants the Karabakh issue to be resolved, and therefore sells weapons and thus wants to strengthen its influence on Azerbaijan!
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 20 June 2013 12: 02 New
            +6
            Quote: Vladimirets
            And it is very good that this weapon was not sold by Turkey, but by us.


            Nevertheless, do not forget that we are talking about weapons.
            Why does Azerbaijan need it no one hides:
            The Azerbaijani society positively perceives the arming of its army with new technology. Because the problem of Nagorno-Karabakh has not been solved for 20 years

            My opinion is that you will not get anywhere. Not Russian, so NATO will buy.
            But why would they sell TOCs ???
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 20 June 2013 12: 46 New
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              Quote: Flood
              But why would they sell TOCs ???



              we will smoke the aggressor from fortified points .. Armenians boast that they have an 8-fold defense line ....) .... there are peshers near the village of Vank for example ... there they organized defense ... in 92 .. .... although I put the video here, like a simple village goes to Kelbajdar and back .. and wants to arrange a tourist route for tourists)))))))))
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 20 June 2013 14: 00 New
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                Quote: smersh70
                we will smoke the aggressor from fortified points .. Armenians boast that they have an 8-fold defense line.

                I did not ask what they were for. I asked why they should be sold to Azerbaijan.
                You see, CBT is a weapon beyond competition. You can’t buy it in Turkey.
                Therefore, I see no reason, taking into account the previous rhetoric.
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 20 June 2013 14: 37 New
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                  Quote: Flood
                  I asked why they should be sold to Azerbaijan.



                  so why ask us) we didn’t make a decision) all questions for ADM and GDP smile
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 20 June 2013 17: 13 New
                +1
                Quote: smersh70
                although I put a video here, like a simple village walks to Kelbajdar and back .. and wants to arrange a tourist route for tourists)

                Already go to Armenia))))))
                http://vesti.az/news/162804
              3. buruntuz
                buruntuz 23 June 2013 22: 06 New
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                Hooooospaaaadayayayayaya! Well, who are you Azer traders from the Danilovsky market
                can you "smoke" ?! For the Wax in the war against Karabakh, whoever not
                fought: and Chechens, and Arabs, and Pakistanis with Afghans, and relatives
                Turkish instructors dragged you with Ukrainian pilots ...
                everything is fruitless: the Armenians both drove you and drove you ... already
                to Horadiz, Agdam and Zhdanovsk ...
          3. georgi777
            georgi777 5 August 2013 10: 21 New
            +1
            sold no weapons, but a conscience!
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 20 June 2013 08: 39 New
          +8
          Quote: seasoned
          Correctly said: business and no more.

          Alexey, hello! not casually say "Money is not God, but has mercy," so in this case.
          1. experienced
            experienced 20 June 2013 08: 45 New
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            Quote: Tersky
            not casually say "Money is not God, but has mercy," and this is the case.

            Hello Victor! hi Here, it’s just that the people of Azerbaijanis are not blaming anything ... They say such dregs about arms deliveries, almost behind Putin’s back, Aliyev quietly bought and he’s probably overtaking tanks in Baku laughing
            How in Jordan a joint plant for the production of grenade launchers do it normally, but how to sell weapons in Azerbaijan is almost a betrayal of the motherland. The members of the forum have strange views, do they really think that an arms supply agreement is like buying vegetables? winked Here both the financial component and the political are carefully calculated. hi
            1. kotdavin4i
              kotdavin4i 20 June 2013 09: 37 New
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              Cheerful morning Aleksey, "It's just that the people of Azerbaijanis are accusing them of everything." - I support it 100% - well, we bought equipment and weapons, because not from competitors and opponents of Russia - but from YOU! They brought money to the treasury, YOU signed contracts for further maintenance, modernization, purchase of spare parts and ammunition, we should be happy. and then they let all the dogs down on us. Well, if you don’t want to - so we will give this billion dollars to the same Europeans, or Turks or someone else - there are a lot of arms dealers in the world.
            2. Tersky
              Tersky 20 June 2013 12: 11 New
              +7
              Quote: seasoned
              Members of the forum have strange views, do they really think that an arms supply agreement is like buying vegetables?

              Well, then it’s a forum, it’s like on the market, how much goods and prices there are. Each situation with the sale of arms by Russia to Azerbaijan is seen from its bell tower. For me, if they sell, it means everything is calculated a few steps forward, who will cut the bitches under themselves drinks
        3. DEfindER
          DEfindER 20 June 2013 10: 43 New
          +8
          Quote: seasoned
          and not be surprised that the supply of weapons was a lot of running combination

          It seems that way, and it’s good to sell weapons not on credit but for money, and to prevent destabilization in the region by strengthening their base in Armenia. In the end, everyone is happy.
          1. Artmark
            Artmark 20 June 2013 11: 29 New
            +3
            I welcome you. I completely agree this is just business! I think they will strengthen the base in Armenia with Ka-52 and Mi-28n drums. Here and all things. Russia will not allow an imbalance!
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 20 June 2013 11: 39 New
              +1
              Quote: ArtMark
              I think they will strengthen the base in Armenia with shock Ka-52 and Mi-28n. Here and all things. Russia will not allow an imbalance!



              Dreaming is not harmful, it is harmful not to dream fellow
              1. Artmark
                Artmark 20 June 2013 11: 45 New
                +3
                Greetings. Time will tell ! And if you think that only Azerbaijan will arm, then I will tell you to dream is not harmful hi
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 20 June 2013 11: 58 New
                  +1
                  Quote: ArtMark
                  then I will tell you to dream is not harmful



                  right ... you are always armed ... you are parasites on the neck of mother Russia .... they love everything for nothing ... no, to pay and get the best weapons ...
                  they will give you old tanks again ... or something like that ... and if Russia puts modern weapons on its own base ...... that’s her right .. YOU'S ANYTHING !!!!!!! !
                  1. Artmark
                    Artmark 20 June 2013 12: 01 New
                    +1
                    Don't say gop until you jump over!
                  2. Arinberry
                    Arinberry 22 June 2013 14: 26 New
                    +1
                    This OWN base protects the interests of Armenia.

                    Interestingly, would you have oil, could the watermelon-tomato business buy at least one tank?
                    1. kNow
                      kNow 22 June 2013 14: 33 New
                      -1
                      Quote: ArinBerd
                      Interestingly, would you have oil, could the watermelon-tomato business buy at least one tank?

                      Well, there is oil and there’s no getting around it. Apparently, God knew who to hand out to whom. At least we don’t buy on credit, laying almost the entire economy ...
                      1. Arinberry
                        Arinberry 22 June 2013 15: 42 New
                        +2
                        I’m wondering, in the presence of oil and gas, as well as the dynamic development of the oil-fuel-oil sultanate, what do your citizens do in Russia, even in such quantity? Are the genes of sellers of tomatoes and watermelons stronger than the feelings of the motherland?
                  3. Arinberry
                    Arinberry 22 June 2013 15: 39 New
                    +3
                    Especially for you and your malicious minuses :)

                    Russian base in Armenia (Information)

                    The Russian 102nd military base in Armenia is in accordance with the agreement of March 16, 1995. According to the agreement valid until now, it was supposed to remain there until 2015.

                    The tasks of the base are to ensure the strategic stability of the external border, protect the interests of Russia and SECURITY OF ARMENIA, including through the joint operational use of Russian and Armenian troops in accordance with the provisions of the CSTO of May 15, 1992.
              2. Scoun
                Scoun 20 June 2013 12: 52 New
                +3
                Quote: ArtMark
                Russia will not allow an imbalance!

                And what is the imbalance here? the Russian Federation and Armenia have a CSTO agreement, and if the Russian Federation does not comply with it, then in general, below the baseboard ....
                Quote: smersh70
                and if Russia puts on its base modern weapons ...... it is her right.

                neither diminish nor diminish ...
                PS.
                In general, I wish you all, in the end, to peacefully settle everything and live in peace.
                20 years barking barking .. Karabakh is under the control of Armenia but living hard is isolated .. (almost).
                Azerbaijan’s territory is occupied (according to the UN) .. but the state lives richer ..
                Maybe it’s worth changing the balance .. Armenia has less land in Karabakh but the state is richer and Azerbaijan will have more land but the state is a bit divided.
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      2. Alexander-Tomsk
        Alexander-Tomsk 20 June 2013 09: 10 New
        +4
        Quote: Tersky
        The expert suggests, "that Putin knows nothing." Why? But because they do not report on deliveries to him


        This journalist of the "Free Press" sounds like a peaceful wolf.
      3. nycsson
        nycsson 20 June 2013 19: 09 New
        +2
        For money they will sell their own mother! None of our state "leaders" takes into account the interests of Russia and does not look at the near future. And we also have a military-industrial complex by itself, and the state by itself! am
      4. Akhtuba73
        Akhtuba73 20 June 2013 23: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: Tersky
        "That Putin knows nothing." Why? But because they do not report on deliveries to him. There is a “powerful Azerbaijani lobby in Russia,” the analyst says. “... Many officials were bought by official Baku. Some of them are in the presidential administration.

        First (for respect) - "President" must be written with a capital
        The second - to buy a solution to such a question, there is not enough money ... AND NO OPPOSING IS NECESSARY !!!! not buying from Syurdyukov ... a conversation with VVP will lead to a "zugunder"
  2. xirurg.net
    xirurg.net 20 June 2013 07: 27 New
    +2
    Oh, probably V. Zakharov lives very far from Transcaucasia. The position of Armenian and Azerbaijani analysts is objective, rather than homegrown Russian ones. What nonsense with corruption? ignorance of V.V. Putin about arms deliveries? arms market in "private" hands. I don't even want to react. Absolute nonsense. Suffice it to look at the chronology of the latest events in the Armenian-Azerbaijani "cooperation") Moscow delicately maintains parity in conventional weapons around Karabakh, literally drags both sides into its zone of influence, manages to benefit from all this. In the Kremlin, after all, not snotty inhabitants sit. And the problem of Karabakh for the Aliyev clan is currently a convenient political map, the slogan with which it is good to enter the elections. And this is very clear. PS Greetings to the FIFTH tribe in Russia, and its minor representatives in the form of "experts" from the Black Sea-Caspian Institute.
    1. bask
      bask 20 June 2013 07: 41 New
      +6

      let's not forget that thanks to the "practical" policy of Baku, Russia lost a radar station in Azerbaijan. We were squeezed out from there under the pretext of the need to increase the rent, while naming

      Bullshit, not the POLICY of the country with nuclear weapons !!!
      In response, simply cancel the Moscow-Baku train.
      And all ,, GUESTS and sunny Azerbaijan to their homeland at 24 o’clock. All issue resolved.
      The sale of weapons ((to a likely adversary, Russia's only ally in the Transcaucasia of Armenia))) is just business. Moreover, it’s criminal.
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 20 June 2013 08: 15 New
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        Quote: bask
        The sale of weapons ((to a likely adversary, Russia's only ally in the Transcaucasia of Armenia))) is just business. Moreover, it’s criminal.

        I agree, from the side it really looks solid.
        But I still hope that all these actions are coordinated and cut together with Armenia. Russia sells weapons, makes a profit, loads production lines - Armenia receives military equipment, though not modern and second-hand, but Armenians are a conservative people. wink
        Personally, I am one hundred percent sure that if Azerbaijan had the opportunity to purchase American equipment, it would do it. But thanks to the Armenian lobby, a bummer occurs.
        1. experienced
          experienced 20 June 2013 08: 22 New
          +8
          Quote: Milafon
          But I still hope that all these actions are coordinated and cut together with Armenia.

          Gratuitous financial assistance from the USA is received not by Azerbaijan, but by Armenia. Google, learn a lot of new things, apparently Russia has ceased to like this state of affairs, hence the supply of equipment hi
          1. MilaPhone
            MilaPhone 20 June 2013 08: 57 New
            +6
            Quote: seasoned
            Gratuitous financial assistance from the USA is received not by Azerbaijan, but by Armenia.

            The assistance is provided by the Armenian diaspora - they are immigrants from Western Armenia (Eastern Anatolia in modern Turkey) who have never lived in the USSR or in Russia. I don’t see anything bad that people are helping their historical homeland. more than Armenians, but nifiga is not heard from them.
            Quote: seasoned
            Google, learn a lot of new things, apparently Russia has ceased to like this state of affairs, hence the supply of equipment

            What is the state of things?
            I did not understand, but what else should Armenia provide to Russia? Another free base? Where else would you meet this. There, and so on, everything that is more or less valuable has been transferred to Russia at the expense of paying debts for the supply of military equipment.
            So, Russia likes everything there.
            1. experienced
              experienced 20 June 2013 09: 05 New
              +6
              Quote: Milafon
              What is the state of things?

              Just when a person (country) gets used to getting something for free or at a reduced price, she comes to the idea that she is "obliged" and sometimes needs a "cold tub on her head" to bring her to life.
              That's what happened this May
              The rise in gas prices for Armenia angered Yerevan: the Armenians believe that Moscow punished them for their unwillingness to join the Customs Union. What to do - demand money from Russia for a military base in Gyumri? Or "pull claws" to the West?

              The news about the rise in gas prices for Armenia from $ 189 to $ 270 per 1000 cubic meters caused indignation, which political scientists have already called "a wave of anti-Russian sentiments."
              More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/exussr/2013/05/23/1132194.html


              By the way, the price is not exorbitant hi
              Well, without this, there are enough miracles in Armenia
              1. Artmark
                Artmark 20 June 2013 11: 37 New
                +1
                You have a strange logic ... What happens if people in Armenia don’t like that they raised the price of gas and they express their indignation, we need to sell weapons to Azerbaijan ????
            2. P-15
              P-15 20 June 2013 09: 18 New
              +2
              Quote: Milafon
              I did not understand, but what else should Armenia provide to Russia? Another free base? Where else would you meet this. There, and so on, everything that is more or less valuable has been transferred to Russia at the expense of paying debts for the supply of military equipment.
              So, Russia likes everything there.
              If you can’t feed your army, you have to feed someone else’s. For that they sleep peacefully.
            3. kotdavin4i
              kotdavin4i 20 June 2013 09: 46 New
              +2
              Quote: Milafon
              Help is provided by the Armenian Diaspora

              Are you sure - what is the diaspora? But Wikipedia writes another
              "In subsequent years, the US government provided financial assistance worth hundreds of millions of dollars. [73] In 2000, US financial assistance to Armenia amounted to $ 102,4 million and in per capita terms was second only to aid to Israel. Moreover, in previous years, the amount of assistance only grew against the background of a general reduction in US aid [74] [75].
              Military support to Armenia from Washington in 2005 amounted to $ 5 million. In April 2004, the parties signed an agreement on military-technical cooperation. In 2005, the USA allocated 7 million dollars for the modernization of the communication system of the Armed Forces of Armenia. "- just don’t need to tell me that these are EVIL AZERIJANI who corrected the article)))
          2. Artmark
            Artmark 20 June 2013 11: 32 New
            +1
            Dear, firstly, Azerbaijan also receives military assistance from the United States, secondly, the United States refused this year Armenia and it’s not necessary to think that Russia doesn’t like something. THIS IS JUST BUSINESS !!!
        2. 416sd
          416sd 20 June 2013 08: 50 New
          +3
          You're wrong.

          Azerbaijan has the opportunity to purchase, if not American, then at least Western equipment. But this is done in very limited quantities (only in the form of licenses purchased from the Turks, South Africa and a couple of countries for the production of armored personnel carriers, UAVs, etc.).

          The army didn’t buy it, but sat down and flew. Whoever buys, it’s also necessary to study for it, it’s necessary to build repair bases for it, standards for spare parts and other crap. Things haven’t gone so far in terms of transition to NATO as those of the same Georgians.

          As for the lobby of the Armenians - in matters of weapons this is not an obstacle for Amers. By your logic, the present Armenia should be flooded with abrams free from the USA. But this is not so. Or does the CSTO interfere?
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 20 June 2013 08: 54 New
        0
        Quote: bask
        All ,, GUESTS and sunny Azerbaijan to their homeland at 24 o’clock. All issue resolved


        I say ..- every day new opponents. and their ideas are the same and crazy smile Yesterday all day until late at night Belaberdu carried the Pishochnik with a cartridge, and today the Basque begins to operate hi
      3. 416sd
        416sd 20 June 2013 08: 55 New
        +1
        He is smart, he is great, he said, he did it fellow
        You better fix the roof of the house than write nonsense.
        1. P-15
          P-15 20 June 2013 09: 22 New
          +2
          There the roof has long moved off slowly, quietly with a rustling slate.
      4. kotdavin4i
        kotdavin4i 20 June 2013 09: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: bask
        The sale of weapons ((to a likely adversary, Russia's only ally in the Transcaucasia of Armenia))) is just business. Moreover, it’s criminal.

        Good morning Dear, for a week already on this site the issue of arms sales to us (Azerbaijan) has been exaggerated, and through one commentators call us "probable adversary" - AND PLEASE ASK - WHERE IS THE PROOF ??? What did Azerbaijan do to Russia - that we became enemies then ???
        1. experienced
          experienced 20 June 2013 09: 48 New
          14
          Quote: kotdavin4i
          through one commentators call us "probable adversary" - AND PLEASE ASK - WHERE IS THE PROOF ??? What did Azerbaijan do to Russia - that we became enemies then ???

          Not everything is smooth in relations between our countries, but life is not smooth. With the same Belarusians there were strains on oil, gas and products, with the Ukrainians periodical "squabbles", this is life and that is the task of the Presidents and diplomats, in order to establish and strengthen relations. Russia does not have so many normal allies now to actively breed "enemies." Maybe we will stop throwing groundless accusations on the site and will "follow the language" hi
          Everyone communicates normally with forum users from Azerbaijan, it is clear that the guys are adequate and competent, but just that, as blinkers fall into my eyes
          Enemies, traitors, and God forbid we sweep away the face of the earth.
          Funny right word smile
      5. Yarbay
        Yarbay 20 June 2013 17: 17 New
        -2
        Quote: bask
        In response, simply cancel the Moscow-Baku train.
        And all ,, GUESTS and sunny Azerbaijan to their homeland at 24 o’clock. All issue resolved.

        I fully and sincerely support you !!
        Better they all go to Turkey, China and Europe, there is nothing for them to live among the Natsiks and render them trade services !!
  3. BARKAS
    BARKAS 20 June 2013 08: 21 New
    +5
    And why tanks without side screens and protection, the war in Syria does not teach what?
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 20 June 2013 08: 55 New
      0
      Quote: BARKAS
      And why tanks without side screens and


      There are no cities left in Nagorno-Karabakh ...... Armenians plundered everything ... so it’s unlikely that there will be urban battles ... mostly tankers will fight at long distances .... hi
  4. Kars
    Kars 20 June 2013 08: 27 New
    +8
    It's a pity there are no prices. About 300 units of modern military equipment with ammunition ha 700 million-1 billion
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 20 June 2013 20: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: Kars
      Sorry no price

      Why don’t you like it? 4 lemons per car on average (I counted 260 units) despite the fact that the BMP-3 is probably less than the tank
      I think they will not sell at a loss
  5. 416sd
    416sd 20 June 2013 08: 45 New
    0
    Regarding the opinion of Vladimir Zakharov: “I don’t think that politics is involved here. Arms are sold in fact by private offices. They are not interested in the state of the state to which the supplies are going, they are not interested in political problems. They are only concerned with profit. My opinion is: Azerbaijan is becoming an enemy of Russia. Present Azerbaijan is anti-Russian. it is necessary to start a war with Nagorno-Karabakh, and then to participate in a war against Iran. Baku no longer conceals that in the event of an anti-Iranian aggression, they are ready to join the Western states. "

    1. Vladimir Zakharov is a person who receives a salary from Ara Abrahamyan. It is 10 thousand US dollars monthly. He is part of a pro-Armenian group of Russian analysts, so he should not be taken seriously. On my desk is his book, written two years ago - "Military construction in the CIS countries", where he foaming at the mouth proves that there are no SMERCH MLRS systems in Azerbaijan, while four years ago these systems are on the parade in Baku showed. So Zakharov himself was bought, not officials in Putin's administration.
    2. The issue of war with Iran is generally nonsense. This is an element of anti-Azerbaijani propaganda. Nobody in Azerbaijan has yet collapsed to fight Iran. 100 times they wrote about it and 100 times referring to all kinds of crooks. And 100 times without facts and evidence. Not a single respected Russian analyst has written that Azerbaijan is going to fight with Iran.
    3. Mr. Zakharov seriously thinks that such consignments of weapons in the Russian Federation can be sent abroad without good from above? You are joking?
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 20 June 2013 09: 35 New
      +6
      Quote: 416sd
      Nobody in Azerbaijan has yet collapsed to fight Iran.

      I totally agree with you! Azerbaijan does not need a war with Iran, the consequences are too unpredictable.
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 20 June 2013 09: 59 New
      +5
      2. The issue of war with Iran is generally nonsense. This is an element of anti-Azerbaijani propaganda. Nobody in Azerbaijan has yet collapsed to fight Iran. 100 times they wrote about it and 100 times referring to all kinds of crooks. And 100 times without facts and evidence. Not a single respected Russian analyst has written that Azerbaijan is going to fight with Iran.
      3. Mr. Zakharov seriously thinks that such consignments of weapons in the Russian Federation can be sent abroad without good from above? You are joking?

      Why I would not be so sure for Iran.
      1 They have Azerbaijan’s resources, they are not eternal, and Aliyev needs to maintain a good standard of living.
      2 Caspian Sea and Generally Southeast Military District is actively arming Aliyev also understands that Azerbaijan has nothing to catch at the wrong level in the war with Russia. And new tanks and air defense systems will not save him.
      3 And then the fun begins, look at Iran and its resources. Does Russia need Islamists at hand? no, no, Russia needs resources, but needed. I think that there will be a division of Iran and Azerbaijan will participate in it. For example, right now it’s fashionable to speak to protect the Azeri who live in Iran.
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 20 June 2013 17: 23 New
      -3
      Quote: 416sd
      The issue of war with Iran is generally nonsense.

      The main thing is that Zakharov says that in Azerbaijan leaders have already openly talked about supporting the war with Iran))))))) I have not heard such nonsense))))
      At least give an example !!
      And so he said, who does not follow politics, after reading that he will say Zakharov probably knows, here you are)))))))))))))
  6. smersh70
    smersh70 20 June 2013 08: 57 New
    -3
    Rights Sadikhov completely !!!!!! hi and Minasyan, as always ---- instead of the old T-72, Armenia will get the old T-72 smile console yourself gentlemen console hi
    by the way and how to transfer 300 T-72 to Armenia .... by air or something .. winked
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 20 June 2013 11: 06 New
      +7
      No, they’ll come under their own power. With Armenian insignia. wassat
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 20 June 2013 11: 41 New
        -2
        Quote: Black Colonel
        No, they’ll come under their own power.



        full tanks of Armenian cognac laughing
      2. P-15
        P-15 20 June 2013 12: 02 New
        -3
        When will cancer on the mountain whistle?
    2. arminidi
      arminidi 20 June 2013 11: 51 New
      +7
      Quote: smersh70
      The SAM data will be shown during the parade in Baku on June 26.


      This is where we should start !!! "The Sultan-for-an-hour" so wants to be such a little more ... But how? !!! They are squeezing from all sides, and the people are already showing signs of conscientiousness ... And how can we hold out here, if not by whipping up militant liberation hysteria ...
    3. arminidi
      arminidi 20 June 2013 11: 56 New
      +7
      Quote: smersh70

      by the way and how to transfer 300 T-72 to Armenia .... by air or something .. winked


      I must grieve you - no, not by air - by land, most likely, through the territory temporarily occupied by artificial and pretty much all annoying state-like formations called "Azerbaijan" and "Turkey" ...
      1. P-15
        P-15 20 June 2013 12: 05 New
        -4
        Well, well))))) go for it. Point not bench press, sculptor?
      2. valera
        valera 20 June 2013 21: 54 New
        +5
        Thank you not. And then 7 more districts for free will give.
    4. Artmark
      Artmark 20 June 2013 16: 16 New
      +4
      And as still so in the future hi
  7. smersh70
    smersh70 20 June 2013 09: 03 New
    -3
    The first photos of the Buk air defense system of the armed forces of Azerbaijan appeared. At the moment, the exact quantity and country of origin of these anti-aircraft missile systems is not known exactly. The SAM data will be shown during the parade in Baku on June 26.
    According to some information, the Buk air defense system could have been delivered by Belarus or Ukraine. Previously, information was published that according to a contract signed in the fall of 2008 for about $ 36 million, Ukrspetsexport planned to supply Azerbaijan with a batch of T-72s and 3 Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems. However, there is no exact information on the implementation of this agreement.
    There is also information that last year the Buk air defense division was purchased from the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Belarus, where modernization is carried out according to the “BUK” type of the Republic of Belarus with subsequent delivery to Azerbaijan.
  8. Hort
    Hort 20 June 2013 09: 03 New
    +2
    After reading such news, I always have a question: Are the same "Solntsepeki" going to be delivered to OUR troops or, as always, "all the best for children"?
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 20 June 2013 09: 50 New
      +5
      Are the same "Solntsepeki" going to be delivered to OUR troops or, as always, "all the best for children"?

      The states of the RCHBZ staffed by Pinocchio are brought to the level of Solntsepek. The main thing here is to reduce the price per shot due to export supplies.
  9. leon-iv
    leon-iv 20 June 2013 09: 07 New
    +1
    Oh wei sho you are this business is just a business no more.
    Did you also want tanchigov? We can sell you. What is your budget?
  10. P-15
    P-15 20 June 2013 09: 08 New
    -5
    Quote: smersh70
    Rights Sadikhov completely !!!!!! hi and Minasyan, as always ---- instead of the old T-72, Armenia will get the old T-72 smile console yourself gentlemen console hi
    by the way and how to transfer 300 T-72 to Armenia .... by air or something .. winked

    ))) Yeah, they will attach wings in front, a wedge. They say they are warming.
  11. P-15
    P-15 20 June 2013 09: 32 New
    -3
    Quote: Milafon
    But I still hope that all these actions are coordinated and cut together with Armenia.
    The overlord does not discuss his affairs with the vassal.
    1. mansur
      mansur 20 June 2013 10: 58 New
      +7
      From the article
      Israel becomes a major supplier of weapons to Azerbaijan
      who are interested here link

      Read more: http://www.arms-expo.ru/055057052124050055053052056.html

      The next voyage of the Israeli Foreign Minister A. Lieberman to Azerbaijan on April 23-24, 2012, although it was outwardly furnished as a protocol, dedicated to the 20th anniversary of the establishment of Israeli-Azerbaijani diplomatic relations, only emphasized the desire of Jerusalem and Baku to continue “to be friends against their potential regional opponents ”(respectively, Iran and Armenia).

      To some extent, this “friendship” increasingly affects regional security issues, as well as the national interests of Turkey and Russia.
      In this article, Stanislav Ivanov, leading researcher at the Center for International Security, IMEMO RAS, answers these questions

      Israel, with a modern military industry and the absence of any moral restrictions, is becoming an ideal partner for Baku in the field of military and military-technical cooperation.
      That is, there can be no “amateur activity” of the enterprises of the Israeli military-industrial complex in transactions with Azerbaijan.
      Of course, Israel is acting here not without the blessing of its “elder brother” in the person of the United States and aims not only to economic benefit, but mainly to turn Azerbaijan into its bridgehead in the region as opposed to Iran

      Quote: P-15
      The overlord does not discuss his affairs with the vassal.

      Who do you call Armenia an outpost already a vassal of Russia, and Azerbaijan whose bridgehead is Israel, Turkey, the United States?
  12. Black
    Black 20 June 2013 10: 35 New
    +7
    Quote: xasharat
    Armenia is not a friend or good will be given to the war in Karabakh.

    Armenia is not a friend, and Azerbaijan is no longer a friend. But the war of Russia in the Caucasus is not necessary !!!
  13. svp67
    svp67 20 June 2013 10: 48 New
    +4
    Conclusion from this article
    So let’s cool our heads. Speculation is inappropriate. Nobody stirs up a conflict and pits nations, while arming them. Azerbaijan’s shadow lobby doesn’t rule Russia, Baku residents don’t dream of storming Tehran,

    I want to contrast the statement from another, which seems more true to me
    There is also no doubt that Azerbaijan is hardly capable of reconciling with the loss of 20% of its territory. On his part, the resumption of attempts to return these lands to their control is quite possible, especially since the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic has not been officially recognized by the international community. In short, the conflict continues. And to predict how and when the tangled Karabakh knot will be unleashed (or cut), now no one will undertake.

    And I really do not want him to be more faithful ...
  14. Semurg
    Semurg 20 June 2013 10: 50 New
    +2
    Abrams or Leopards probably would not have sold, but Israel would have sold, Merkavas, or are they not selling Merkavas for export? Ukraine has the same interesting armored vehicles. But politics here probably steers from both Russia and Azerbaijan. It would be interesting if they wrote if the main purchases were passed by Russia, they probably wrote what kind of fucking equipment they bought and even the equipment they don’t scrub but only the fact of sale. Interesting information on population loss from 3.5mln to 1.5mln people is also interesting, is it a blockade or is it the wrong economic policy and with whom Armenia wants to settle the NKR and 7 occupied regions if the Armenians themselves leave.
    1. mansur
      mansur 20 June 2013 11: 05 New
      +6
      Quote: Semurg
      3.5mln to 1.5mln people, is this a blockade or is it the wrong economic policy and with whom does Armenia want to settle the NKR and 7 occupied regions if the Armenians themselves leave.

      Dear in Armenia, it’s hard, but people leave, and where it’s easy now, where in Russia or elsewhere, after the collapse of the USSR, only rulers, officials and oligarchs live well and freely in the entire post-Soviet space, and the rest just live, and why settle in Karabakh, when there live those who always lived there, who defended their land
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 20 June 2013 11: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Semurg
      Abrams or Leopards probably would not have sold, but Israel would have sold, Merkavas, or are they not selling Merkavas for export? Ukraine has the same interesting armored vehicles. But politics here probably steers from both Russia and Azerbaijan. It would be interesting if they wrote if the main purchases were passed by Russia, they probably wrote what kind of fucking equipment they bought and even the equipment they don’t scrub but only the fact of sale. Interesting information on population loss from 3.5mln to 1.5mln people is also interesting, is it a blockade or is it the wrong economic policy and with whom Armenia wants to settle the NKR and 7 occupied regions if the Armenians themselves leave.

      Yes, if they bought Western equipment, it would start fuu right now, we will give the T90 to the Armenians, it’s better to buy ours, we bought the wrong one, but I said they sold out to Amers and all that.
      Indeed, they don’t inhabit it. The districts of Armenia themselves are emptying. The advanced occupied regions are stupid ghost regions, human life is mainly in the Nagorno-Karabakh and Lachin, which is between Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. As soon as the war begins with so many offensive weapons at once they will sweep away from the plains, and then systematic advancement into Nagorno-Karabakh and entering the rear.
      Well, about the economy, well, the blockade is hitting hard, and they still have corrupt officials.
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 20 June 2013 11: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Semurg
      who Armenia wants to populate the NKR and 7 occupied regions if the Armenians themselves leave.


      but the Moscow Armenian settled hi
    4. Yarbay
      Yarbay 21 June 2013 10: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Semurg
      and by whom Armenia wants to populate the NKR and 7 occupied regions if the Armenians themselves leave

      You generally posed the right questions !!
      About 1 million 200 thousand people lived in the territories occupied by the Armenians!
      Now lives less than 100 thousand !!
  15. fisherman
    fisherman 20 June 2013 10: 57 New
    +1
    I’m reading comments and I just can’t understand what kind of lobby (Armenian or Azerbaijani) governs Putin? :)
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 20 June 2013 11: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: fisherman
      I’m reading comments and I just can’t understand what kind of lobby (Armenian or Azerbaijani) governs Putin? :)

      Garik Martirosyan and our Yulik Gusman))
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 20 June 2013 11: 28 New
        +2
        here somehow somehow more to be trusted :)))
    2. arminidi
      arminidi 20 June 2013 12: 06 New
      +1
      Money lobby .....
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 20 June 2013 12: 23 New
        +3
        the money lobby always loses, and you know why?

        because tactics always lose strategy ...

        even if the winners are left alone (without external enemies), then after a while they themselves will begin to kill each other ...

        "money lobby" is a favorite expression of those under 18, there are drier and more pragmatic formulations of this process, for example, "the policy of containment and balances" ...

        candy wrappers for the defense industry can be printed, because this money supply will hardly affect negatively the monetary ...............
  16. P-15
    P-15 20 June 2013 11: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: mansur
    Quote: Semurg
    3.5mln to 1.5mln people, is this a blockade or is it the wrong economic policy and with whom does Armenia want to settle the NKR and 7 occupied regions if the Armenians themselves leave.

    Dear in Armenia, it’s hard, but people leave, and where it’s easy now, where in Russia or elsewhere, after the collapse of the USSR, only rulers, officials and oligarchs live well and freely in the entire post-Soviet space, and the rest just live, and why settle in Karabakh, when there live those who always lived there, who defended their land

    In drives))))))))) that you smoke there. More than 20 years have passed after the collapse, but these poor fellows cannot come to their senses. Or rather, they want leadership, as in that proverb, there’s no rest from the bad head. And what did you stand for ??? It will be more accurate to say from whose back you are shot. So no need to shake the air.
  17. P-15
    P-15 20 June 2013 11: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: Dmitry 2246
    Are you ready to choose your death?
    All of us will be there, sooner or later, it is a matter of time. They should not be afraid. I have 2 sons, one has already served the second and is going to in a couple of years, and I don’t want something to solve the Karabakh problem or their children worse. But dying for the homeland is not scary. As they say, Three deaths will not happen, but one cannot be avoided. Something like this.
  18. P-15
    P-15 20 June 2013 11: 47 New
    -3
    Quote: mansur
    nooooo
    South Azerbaijan would not have been abandoned))) Like any normal citizen of his country, he wants his land. But, for that matter, Irevan is our land, but we do not say, return it

    Irevan, I understand the capital of Armenia?
    And in what century, and if possible on the map, show when Armenia and Northern Iran belonged to the sovereign state of Azerbaijan.
    Go to school A. And take a hard look at the history of the 18-19th centuries, although it is unlikely to help.
  19. Remko
    Remko 20 June 2013 11: 48 New
    -1
    When they themselves sell the Russians they raise the cry, if they buy from others they again shout the guard. winked
  20. 12061973
    12061973 20 June 2013 12: 05 New
    0
    But purely from a military point of view, will Azerbaijan be able to put Armenians in a puddle, or how will they lose the last time? the Jewish-Armenian ort takes out the brain, there would be one shot from the sun.
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    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 20 June 2013 12: 12 New
      0
      Quote: 12061973
      and purely from a military point of view, Azerbaijan will be able to put Armenians in a puddle

      It can, because there is preparation that was not there before, there is one power, and not several groups.
      It won’t even pull it economically, even with the help of the diaspora. But they hope for Russia with its free supplies.
  21. Yeraz
    Yeraz 20 June 2013 12: 19 New
    +2
    THE PEOPLE OFFER FINALLY CONSIDERING THE MILITARY ASPECT OF THESE SUPPLIES. THEIR ADVANTAGE AND MINUSES IN MOUNTAIN CONDITIONS, ETC.
    Please write experts.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 20 June 2013 13: 04 New
      0
      supplies of TOURS and BUGs are useful in light of the fact that the bulk of air defense systems in Azerbaijan, stationary systems, 75,125,200 .... and now they are buying mobile-300, Tor and Bugi ..
      tanks were needed, the main part of the T-72 was knocked out during the war years .. and the remaining ones had a strong worn-out engine life .... I had to buy the old T-1994 and T-55 in Ukraine in early 54 .. but they were weakly opposed the then Armenian T-72 ... thanks to artillery, it was possible to bring down the intensity of tank attacks at the end of December 93 in Beylagan and in April 94 in Terter
      Well, the artillery systems are needed like air .. because from the USSR they got only one BM_21 brigade, which was not enough for the entire front line .... and now there are bulk missiles ..... plus long-range ones ... will mow reserves, approaches to the front line, as well as fortified areas ...
      Well, drones are the place in the Murov mountains - they will help a lot in controlling the Kelbajar region, which consists of only ridges ... hollows ... mountain roads ...
      Well, TOSA - they will burn out and light separate pockets of resistance ... the truth is very dangerous weapons for the shooters themselves .... one incendiary bullet .... and that's it ... the explosion is provided ...
      Well, BMP-3 is just a replacement for BMP-1.. which certainly are not warriors .... we lost a lot of them ....
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 20 June 2013 13: 09 New
        +3
        Smersh, in your opinion, if she understands of course how many times and what resources will be needed to enter Nagorno-Karabakh itself.?
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 20 June 2013 13: 44 New
          +2
          Ours are sitting purely on the territory of the former NKAR ... in 3 places - a bridgehead opposite the village of Tapgarakoyunlu in the north, in 3 villages opposite the city of Ter-ter, and most of Haram-dyuzyu (Martuni district) ...
          the problem is not how to enter Nagorno-Karabakh ... it is necessary first of all to clear the state border with Iran (130 km) .. take the Agdam gate to Karabakh. and Kelbajar - the Armenians said who owns Kelbajar, he owns all of Karabakh ..
          and the resources will all be used, use what is at hand and do not look for another))))
          and time depends on how first of all the Khojaly tank regiment will be destroyed in the parking lots (about .... tanks) so that there is no counterattack .. how much air defense means will be destroyed in the mountains on the first strike ... it all depends on the first strike ..how the Georgians did perfectly in the course of 080808 .... they immediately capsized the first rows and rushed deep into the enemy ..... and there was already chaos ....
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 20 June 2013 17: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: smersh70
            the problem is not how to enter Nagorno-Karabakh ... first of all, it is necessary to free the state border with Iran (130km) .. take the Agdam gate to Karabakh

            That's right !!!
            Good girl !!
            After this, the enemy’s defense, and so holding on snot, will collapse like a house of cards !!
            And after the liberation of Kalbajar and Lachin, the enemy
            remember the centuries-old * friendship * of our peoples !!)))))
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 20 June 2013 17: 52 New
              +7
              Why are you trying on your first-class weapon against the wrong one. You, gentlemen, are you meeting with the CSTO with something to measure against ?! Or Russia (in the light of the concluded agreements and concentration of forces --- a stupid bride, or you know more than I know. So enlighten ----- when the time is "h"
  22. Apollo
    Apollo 20 June 2013 12: 41 New
    +8
    Good day to all! hi

    Yesterday's topic discussion Details of Azerbaijani contracts became known the comments of individual visitors, regardless of likes and dislikes, openly made me regret. The forum was created to communicate and not just communicate, but to exchange information and opinions,to debate it’s just to discuss and polemize. For some reason, we forget that they read us not only in Russia but also in the world. Individual visitors scatter words as if they were in the kitchen and discuss household issues. We forgot how to write responsibly and communicate culturally. On the forum there was a perceptual idea that someone who hits harder or flaunts with obscene words will immediately grab a big rating. In my understanding, if a particular visitor leaves the discussion and moves on to the subject of nationality and ichnost, all this tells me that these visitors are far from being discussed. The only task and goal is to arrange srach. That night there were attempts by individual visitors to arrange the so-called srach. Why the so-called, but because I was resolutely suppressed. I remind you that I, like all other moderators, will resolutely stop all violations of the VO rules, regardless of rating, merit, country of residence, nationality and authority. This is a necessity, it will be unconditionally respected and let it not cause anyone omneniy.Blagodaryu for attention.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 20 June 2013 22: 22 New
      +7
      Quote: Apollon
      . I remind you that I, like all other moderators, will resolutely stop all violations of the VO rules, regardless of rating, merit, country of residence, nationality and authority. This is a necessity, it will be unconditionally respected and let no one doubt it.

      Apollo, hi ! It and today's discussion in comments from a number of users on the verge of a foul. Alas, the culture of communication of others leaves much to be desired.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 20 June 2013 23: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: Tersky
        It and today's discussion in comments from a number of users on the verge of a foul. Alas, the culture of communication of others leaves much to be desired.


        Good evening, dear Victor! hi

        I agree, but compared with yesterday, it is heaven and earth. If you read the nightly comments that I deleted. Mom do not grieve.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 20 June 2013 23: 22 New
          +4
          Quote: Apollon
          If you read the nightly comments that I deleted. Mama Do not Cry.

          Itself yesterday wanted to stay up late on the site, but alas, in the morning - work, so I had to give preference to rest yes
  23. P-15
    P-15 20 June 2013 12: 52 New
    -4
    Quote: smersh70
    Quote: mansur
    And in what century, and if possible on the map, show when Armenia and Northern Iran belonged to the sovereign state of Azerbaijan.


    Mansur, you fell off the moon .... there was a huge article about the Erivan Khanate ... find and read and the map is there))))
    And what, on the moon, too, are Armenians ???? And we got there already))
  24. waisson
    waisson 20 June 2013 12: 52 New
    +3
    yourself without the desks and the desks we trade
  25. bomg.77
    bomg.77 20 June 2013 13: 01 New
    +1
    The most logical of all available, it seems to me, Russia wants Azerbaijan to start in the Karabakh war without Israel and the United States, and when Russia needs it, while it will restrain them (Israel and the USA) in Syria and thus disconnect it (Azerbaijan) from the emerging coalition. The Armenians themselves will deal with Azerbaijan, not the first time, so to speak, but during the showdown they accidentally bomb the airfields of the jump.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 20 June 2013 13: 06 New
      -2
      Quote: bomg.77
      , and during the showdown accidentally bomb the airfields of the jump.

      belay
      MDA, there are different people, then one may think of an Azerbaijan enclave, another mythical Armenian Air Force pushing the entire army of Baku will still manage to bomb airfields, breaking through the S-300 defense.
      Where do you get funny pills?
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 20 June 2013 14: 21 New
        +2
        If the Armenians do not have the Air Force, then they are at the base in Gyumri, and you do not prove that they were Russian planes, and even if you prove it, then the work will be done.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 20 June 2013 14: 45 New
          -9
          Quote: bomg.77
          you don’t prove that they were Russian planes,



          comrade! You don’t confuse Armenia with Russia .. according to the agreement, 1000000000000 times they wrote here if they attack Armenia, Russia should intervene !!!!!!! and no one will attack Armenia ... we are talking about the occupied part of the territory of Azerbaijan, where Azerbaijanis lived ... how much can you talk about it !!!!!!!

          by the way according to the information of the Russian deputies ... of these MIG_29 only 6 are able to take off ... hi Well, that's the way .....
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 20 June 2013 17: 13 New
            +5
            Quote: smersh70
            comrade! You do not confuse Armenia with Russia .. according to the 1000000000000 agreement, they wrote here if they attack Armenia, Russia must intervene !!!!!!! and no one will attack Armenia ... we are talking about the occupied part of the territory

            for Russia to come into conflict, it’s enough for them to deploy guns from Karabakh and slap along the territory of Armenia and the whole treaty enters into force, and no reason that it’s not us will not help!
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 20 June 2013 17: 34 New
              -2
              Too one-sided conclusions, there other contracts will work too!
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 20 June 2013 13: 47 New
      -2
      Quote: bomg.77
      , and during the showdown accidentally bomb the airfields of the jump.



      THAN by the Chinese MLRS or aircraft of the 5th generation AN-2 (AWP) laughing
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 20 June 2013 14: 32 New
        +2
        "WHAT, with the Chinese MLRS or the 5th generation aircraft": why are you not satisfied with Iskander?
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 20 June 2013 14: 45 New
          -2
          Quote: bomg.77
          "WHAT, with the Chinese MLRS or the 5th generation aircraft": why are you not satisfied with Iskander?

          Listen, don’t play the fool, the Armenians will bomb, as I realized that the rubbish was said immediately began to destroy the Russian troops, ash stump Russian troops will be able to sack from Iskander and not necessarily from Gyumri in Dagestan are several times cooler units.
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 20 June 2013 15: 16 New
            +7
            Listen, don’t play the fool, then the Armenians will bomb, as I realized that the rubbish said immediately began to destroy the Russian troops, ash stump Russian troops will be able to sack from Iskander and not necessarily from Gyumri in Dagestan are several times cooler than the Units.
            From Dagestan, this is already a war between Russia and Azerbaijan, and if it is from the side of Armenia, it will remain inside the conflict of the two countries. And even Eraz without aggression, we are not making decisions here, but suggest how events may develop.
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 20 June 2013 14: 48 New
          -3
          Quote: bomg.77
          and what are the Iskanders not happy with



          firstly ... 10000000000 times they said that the Russian Iskanders ... and were directed against Turkey and NATO !!!!!! (Lavrov, the embassy, ​​etc., etc.)
          secondly, there are still no Iskanders in Armenia ... that's when they will, then we'll talk.
          thirdly, I didn’t think that you are a member of the Russian Defense Council and are resolving these issues hi
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 20 June 2013 15: 28 New
            +4
            Quote: smersh70
            firstly ... 10000000000 times they said that the Russian Iskanders ... and were directed against Turkey and NATO !!!!!! (Lavrov, the embassy, ​​etc., etc.)
            secondly, there are still no Iskanders in Armenia ... that's when they will, then we'll talk.
            thirdly, I didn’t think that you are a member of the Russian Defense Council and are resolving these issues
            The death of the Karabakh conflict affects the interests of Russia. You are legally right. The Iskander belongs to the Russian base in Gyumri, but Russia cannot allow Azerbaijan to be the base for the Israeli Air Force. You think correctly, I am not a member of the Russian Defense Council.
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 21 June 2013 10: 48 New
            -2
            Quote: smersh70
            That Iskander Russian.

            So they also do not exist))))
            There are intentions)))
            If this passes, then we will buy it with tires from goodies and other bells and whistles)))))

            http://raigap.livejournal.com/188439.html
  26. smprofi
    smprofi 20 June 2013 13: 20 New
    +1
    On June 18, media reports appeared ...

    According to Gazeta.ru with reference to an unnamed source of Vedomosti, contracts were concluded for three battalions (94 units) of T-90S tanks ...

    um ... here: http://bmpd.livejournal.com/544163.html
    The contract for the purchase of about 200 T-90S tanks produced by OJSC Scientific and Production Corporation Uralvagonzavod, as well as other contracts for the specified equipment, were concluded between the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan and FSUE Rosoboronexport in the autumn 2011 of the year. Deliveries of tanks and other specified military equipment to Azerbaijan were launched in the spring of 2013.




    and another ... a month and a half ago a message flashed that the Azerbaijanis were offended by the Armenian lobby in the aviation corporations of Russia. and that this lobby did not allow fighters to buy Azerbaijan, only training aircraft ...
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 20 June 2013 13: 49 New
      -4
      Quote: smprofi
      fighters, training aircraft only ...



      but the t-90S is not a plane ... and besides, during the time of Shakespeare, cigarettes were not smoked by Friend)))))))
      but seriously ... Arbay yesterday set the info that ours were agreeing on the purchase of the twin brother Yak-130 from Italians .... plus they turned their eyes to the J-17 ...... guys are right here, the holy place is empty it happens)))))
      1. smprofi
        smprofi 20 June 2013 16: 53 New
        +8
        Quote: smersh70
        in Shakespeare's time did not smoke cigarettes friend

        that's right!
        only the Kremlin has not mastered the methods of Byzantium: combat aircraft for Azerbaijan, please, but modern air defense systems for the Armenians. why waste time on trifles? and then the last toil with their grandfather "Circle" ...



  27. individual
    individual 20 June 2013 14: 06 New
    +1
    The Russian arms business has its own lobby in politics and sells to everyone everything that is produced by the military-industrial complex and is bought. Beznes does not tolerate emptiness, therefore the categories friend, enemy do not belong to a commodity category, but to a political one. Whether Putin knows or does not know about the sale of something for him is petty. When the merchants cross the "red line" of what is permitted, there will be countermeasures. The alignment of forces has not changed: Azerbaijan is a neighboring state with Russia and Armenia, Iran.
    Armenia is a member of the CSTO and provides its territory to host our 201 base near Gyumri.
    And Azerbaijan squeezed Russia out of the Gabala radar station and declares itself with the "west".
  28. Friend
    Friend 20 June 2013 14: 14 New
    +4
    Everyone knows that the problem of the settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict does not occur through the fault of Baku, where they believe that without a legal, historical basis, one can claim until and continue to occupy territories in which only the Armenian people of NKR can claim. And the motive that "Iskander" and "Tornado" are deployed in Armenia is not objective, since the control panel is at the general staff of the RF JSC. We all remember the pogroms in Baku, Sumgait, the "ring" operation, where Soviet troops subordinated only to Moscow reacted with great delay to the pogroms of the Armenians, where they directly participated in the "ring" operation, etc. The Armenians most likely need a guarantor in the form of iron in their hands, and if you summarize Moscow's policy, it is obvious that there is a political and economic "tightening", since when assessing the volume of gas supplied to Armenia for Gazprom, it is 1-2% of the total volume. If Russia does not have enough financial resources and Russia sells weapons to Baku, then he is not mistaken here either. The question is: does the difference in gas prices have a large volume in monetary terms and what is the strategic approach? Because strategy is such a thing that if it is not calculated correctly today, it will be too late tomorrow. Considering the fact that Armenia is in a partial blockade. Apparently only the physical presence of base 102 satisfies Moscow. Russia must in its actions prove that it is a strategic partner and that a strong Armenia is not to its detriment.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 20 June 2013 14: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Friend
      Everyone knows that the problem of the settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict does not occur through the fault of Baku


      hi I see the second Armenian after Parur Hayrikyan ... who says that Baku is not guilty in the settlement of the conflict
    2. kNow
      kNow 20 June 2013 15: 46 New
      -4
      Quote: Friend
      Armenian people of NKR

      the Armenian people of Armenia, the Armenian people of "NKR", the Armenian people of California, the Armenian people of Stavropol ... How many have you got divorced? And everyone is entitled to the state?
  29. dc120mm
    dc120mm 20 June 2013 14: 16 New
    -3
    “... Ilham Aliyev buys expensive toys that he will be showing at the parade on the eve of the presidential elections, a part of the Azerbaijani public will be happy seeing this equipment at the parade and continuing to believe in fairy tales that soon (as it is already 20 years) Azerbaijan will begin operation for the liberation of Karabakh, Russia is happy because it received about a billion, and maybe more, from a customer who fell from the sky. The military-political leadership of Armenia is sufficient, as a result of this it will be able to re-equip its tank, artillery parks, other categories of weapons and military equipment. Western partners are also happy, because as a result of this, anti-Russian sentiments will increase in Armenia, and even those organizations in Armenia that pursue anti-Russian policy will be happy, because as a result, they will get quite a beneficial field for their activities. ”
    We are all happy laughing
    Speculation is inappropriate. Nobody stirs up a conflict and pits nations, while arming them.
    I doubt it winked
  30. Yeraz
    Yeraz 20 June 2013 14: 20 New
    -1
    Quote: individ
    And Azerbaijan squeezed Russia out of the Gabala radar station and declares itself with the "west".

    A strange declaration against the background of such purchases ... Just do not start saying that they bought the very thing here, so if they had a declaration they would have bought everything from Israel.
  31. Yura
    Yura 20 June 2013 14: 28 New
    +7
    In addition to its territory, Azerbaijan has resources, and these resources make it possible for the country to live as it lives now and develop further. For resources, as we know in our world today, there are a lot of people who want to, and even if we ignore the unresolved problems with Karabakh and, accordingly, with Armenia, that is, not touch upon these issues, Azerbaijan still needs to think about its defense capabilities. What has happened to states that rely on a democratic world order, we know, examples are still well known. In our time, to have a combat-ready and well-armed army is the right, necessity and duty of state governments to their peoples. Having an army and weapons is not always a threat to someone, sometimes it is also a prevention of aggression, there are examples of this too. So if they are armed, it’s normal, buying our equipment is good, buying another means it’s our own fault, and they have the right to choose.
    1. Free
      Free 21 June 2013 09: 41 New
      -3
      He said beautifully, do not diminish, do not add!
      As they say, laid out everything on the shelves!
  32. leon-iv
    leon-iv 20 June 2013 14: 29 New
    +3
    Oh, how much they wrote here. Horror.
    Let's take a look at the facts
    1 Azerbaijan has a desire to buy weapons. We have it and it’s good, everything suits everyone.
    2 There is a conflict between the two countries, one of which is de jure ally, and the other is de facto not an enemy of Russia.
    3 Azerbaijan does not have the right level to fight against Armenia as a member of the CSTO. For the Caspian flotilla will be able to quickly point to the place and the Russian aviation too.
    Does Aliyev need Karabakh? That is the question. I am more than sure that it was supplied under the guarantee of non-aggression against Armenia.
    1. Remko
      Remko 20 June 2013 14: 43 New
      -2
      And no one is going to attack Armenia. Let's separate the flies from the cutlets. We are talking about Karabakh, which was not part of Armenia.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 20 June 2013 14: 49 New
        +3
        We are talking about Karabakh, which was not part of Armenia.

        Do you think such little things in diplomacy (hypocrisy) whom nito will worry?
        1. Remko
          Remko 20 June 2013 18: 15 New
          -2
          For some, a trifle, but for others a precedent for the outbreak of new conflicts.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 20 June 2013 14: 56 New
      -7
      Quote: leon-iv
      Azerbaijan does not have the right level to fight against Armenia as a member of the CSTO. For the Caspian flotilla will be able to quickly point to the place and the Russian aviation too.


      about paragraph 1 and 2 I agree !!!!!
      that's about the forces against Armenia, sorry ... look at the parade ..
      1 quantitative advantage (l / s)
      2 material (fuels and lubricants ... money ... factories for the repair of equipment .. production of ammunition and weapons. MIC.)
      3. superiority in all types of weapons
      4. the most important thing is personnel ... (school-3. Academies-3. look at milkavkaz.net; look at the pictures; most of the officers of Armenians are older than 45 years and more .. young people are 5%.)
      and about point 3 - when you enter the government of Russia, then we will accept your wishes smile
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 20 June 2013 15: 03 New
        -2
        smersh70
        I perfectly understand that the Armenians as a military are little of themselves. Here I repeat once again Azerbaijan will NEVER be an independent player, the political weight is not the same. And if the war begins, the RF Armed Forces will quickly solve the problem. But in the war I have little faith.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 20 June 2013 15: 10 New
          0
          Quote: leon-iv
          smersh70
          I perfectly understand that the Armenians as a military are little of themselves. Here I repeat once again Azerbaijan will NEVER be an independent player, the political weight is not the same. And if the war begins, the RF Armed Forces will quickly solve the problem. But in the war I have little faith.

          So the hostilities will not begin until Russia clearly gives a signal of neutrality.
          Russia will have an iron argument, they say bro Armenians we signed your international borders to protect.
          What do you think so far there is no war ??? Because Baku does not have confidence in the neutrality of the Russian Federation. And weapons in our region are always useful, whether we are at war with the Armenians or not.
  33. gene
    gene 20 June 2013 14: 59 New
    +5
    The most important question: is the modern weapons and military equipment sufficient for victory in the war? After all, there is such an expression: equipment in the hands of a savage is a pile of metal. I understand the joy of Azerbaijanis, but this is only 1 part to achieve victory. People are fighting, technology only makes war easier. There are enough examples of this in history.
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      1. gene
        gene 20 June 2013 15: 11 New
        +6
        And why in 92g. not rolled out?
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 20 June 2013 15: 21 New
          -8
          Quote: Gene
          why in 92g. not rolled out?


          that is, something happened in92 and they told !!!!!!!!!! the history of the battles must be known! if not the internal political struggle in '93 .... then another thing would hi
          1. gene
            gene 20 June 2013 15: 26 New
            +5
            if grandmother had eggs, she would be grandfather.
          2. buruntuz
            buruntuz 23 June 2013 21: 49 New
            0
            are you still hovering in the clouds shouting "garabag bizimdir"?
        2. Yeraz
          Yeraz 20 June 2013 15: 26 New
          -2
          Quote: Gene
          And why in 92g. not rolled out?

          There were many factors.
          The lack of training, I know everything in tsarist Russia, the Muslims did not call for, only separate units were formed during the major wars, and in the USSR, by some miracle, all Muslims in the construction battalion found themselves to be a politician, and we don’t need here, my uncle, a graduate of Moscow State University, a red diploma in a construction battalion. another doctor is also there, a cousin later a world and European champion is also in a construction battalion. And they were all poor. All the calls were decided.
          Therefore, their training was better.
          then the help of the diaspora, both economic and military. The Armenians from Lebanon were battle-hardened.
          The lack of central authority, when the fights are coming, stupid orders come to withdraw troops to Baku, something else, the Lachin district was surrendered almost without a fight.
          Right now everything is different, Azerbaijan already has a bunch of trained officers, its armaments are superior in number and most importantly, we already have weight in the world, although in the first war the diaspora provided more powerful support. And now Baku has ties with many countries.
          The outflow of the population of Armenia, plus the disappointment of this victory, because as a result, the rich Baku People lost the Armenians, the Karabakh people came to power and everyone is not happy with them.
          There are many factors.
          I think Armenia indicated this fact completely when it changed the agreement on finding Gyumri by amending there that from now on not only the Turkish and Iranian units will be protected. And the entire perimeter. Although there is a CSTO agreement.
          right now, everything stumbles into an agreement with the Russian Federation and further economic strangulation.
          1. mansur
            mansur 20 June 2013 16: 42 New
            +3
            Quote: Yeraz
            There were many factors.

            The wind blew in the wrong direction, the snow began at the wrong time,
            but in fact, we read Wikipedia: in the spring of 1992, 4 armies, four motorized rifle divisions), three air defense brigades, a special-purpose brigade, four air force bases and a part of the Caspian Sea Flotilla were transferred to you
            the total amount of ammunition in these depots is estimated at 11 wagons

            Armenia: armaments and military equipment of two of the three divisions (15th and 164th) of the 7th combined arms army of the former USSR, as well as about 500 wagons of ammunition and Karabakh from the 366th motorized rifle regiment of the 23rd motorized infantry division
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 20 June 2013 15: 14 New
        -5


        ours have already reached Armenia))))
  34. smersh70
    smersh70 20 June 2013 15: 09 New
    -1
    Mahir and Fazil freely crossed the enemy border
    On June 7, two Azerbaijani citizens crossed the Azerbaijani-Armenian border and visited the village of Murkhuz of the Sisian region.
    According to Vesti.Az with reference to the website xeberle.com, Mahir and Fazil crossed the enemy’s border to visit the famous Girkhlar sanctuary, located in the aforementioned village.
    Having visited the holy place with real risk, they made a video shooting here, which we offer to the attention of readers. hi
  35. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 20 June 2013 16: 14 New
    +4
    Baku. Rashad Suleymanov - APA. Among the weapons systems that will be demonstrated at the upcoming military parade on June 26 will also be the Buk anti-aircraft missile system that was adopted by the Azerbaijani Armed Forces several years ago.

    APA reports that the anti-aircraft missile system, along with other military equipment that will participate in the parade, has already been brought to Azadlig Square.

    Along with the Buk complex, it is planned for the first time to demonstrate the Tor anti-aircraft missile systems at a parade.
    1. Remko
      Remko 20 June 2013 18: 18 New
      +1
      I can’t understand why to buy Buk when the war in Georgia showed how easily they can be jammed.
  36. Apollo
    Apollo 20 June 2013 17: 47 New
    +4
    Today is a "significant" day. Visitor under the nickname sergeybala reached the marshal's rating, the question is how ?! winked http://topwar.ru/user/sergeybala/
  37. audentes
    audentes 20 June 2013 18: 16 New
    -3
    Quote: mansur
    For you, his biography is
    In 1964 he graduated from the Tashkent Higher Combined Arms Command School, in 1974 - from the Military Academy named after M.V. Frunze. Since 1976, he served in the central apparatus of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR, was the head of the secretariat of the Ministers of Defense of the USSR, Marshals of the Soviet Union Dmitry Ustinov and Sergey Leonidovich Sokolov. Since 1987 - head of the affairs department of the USSR Ministry of Defense. In 1992-1996 - Secretary of the Council of Ministers of Defense of the CIS; Since August 1999 - Chief of Staff for the Coordination of Military Cooperation of the CIS Member States. In 1996-2001 - head of the main department of international military cooperation of the Ministry of Defense.
    He is opposed to the eastward expansion of NATO and a supporter of the strengthening of other international organizations. In 2002, he founded and headed the Military Sovereign Union of Russia. Member of the High Officer Council of Russia. In November 2006, he was elected chairman of the monarchist organization Union of the Russian People.
    Permanent author of the newspaper "Tomorrow". Composes poetry.
    Since 2008, a member of the Expert Council and a permanent author of the international analytical journal "Geopolitics".
    From the Arbat Military District hi
  38. Remko
    Remko 20 June 2013 18: 35 New
    +3
    "Karen Mirzoyan, who holds the post of" Minister of Foreign Affairs "of the NKR puppet regime, in an interview with the France-24 satellite channel on June 12 this year, answering the question whether he ever sees the prospect of the re-establishment of Nagorno-Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan, literally answered the following: "there are certain prospects, there are certain hopes." wink
  39. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 20 June 2013 18: 53 New
    +5
    Telling the truth about the "Armenian genocide" of a Russian professor, Armenians accused of corruption

    The reason for the attacks was the performance of M. Meyer in the program “The Turkish March” from the cycle “Power of Fact”, which aired on June 11 on the TV channel “Culture”. The program was dedicated to Turkey and its relations with Russia - in historical and modern perspectives. Naturally, the issue of “Armenian genocide” was not without. The professor’s response was extremely honest, but, nevertheless, caused a storm of indignation among the Armenians. So, answering the host’s question: “Why is the topic of the“ Armenian genocide ”so taboo in Turkey?”, The professor replied that this was due to the European presence in the last period of the Ottoman Empire. According to the professor, the Entente tried to play a card of guilt of Muslims before the “innocent Armenians”, but in fact, as Meyer is convinced, it was a massacre from both sides. As for the number of those killed, according to the professor, it was precisely one and a half million Armenians who lived in the Ottoman Empire at that time, and “since some part has been preserved, we cannot talk about one and a half million killed”.

    What started here! Before the program ended, our old friend Marino Grigoryan, the same girlfriend of Ara Saghatelyan and the head of the “Eurasian Media Group” Vartan Togonyan, who disappointed with her mediocrity, received a “party task”: to smash a famous professor, take him out him into clean water, find and make public his "secret accounts" opened by Turkey and Azerbaijan. It’s not hard to guess that Marinochka Grigoryan, rolling up her sleeves and wiping glasses, immediately with special enthusiasm began to carry out the assignment of the high authorities
  40. bomg.77
    bomg.77 20 June 2013 19: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: ayyildiz
    Too one-sided conclusions, there other contracts will work too!
    the conclusion may be one-sided, but it has the right to be, and such a development of events cannot be ruled out.
  41. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 20 June 2013 19: 19 New
    +4
    What are you talking about ???

    What is Armenia? What is Karabakh? What kind of money? What "Putin knows nothing"? The article is utter nonsense! Everything in milk, not a single correct guess.

    Does the author generally look around? What has been happening in the region for several years in a row? What is happening in Syria now?

    Regardless of how things end in Syria - if Syria wins or loses, hordes of mercenaries will be transferred to a new place, most likely closer to Russia. Who is next? Most likely Azerbaijan, it is closest. The Russian base in Armenia is more complicated there. Azerbaijan is next in line. Here he is against the mercenaries and are arming themselves.
    1. Arinberry
      Arinberry 22 June 2013 15: 59 New
      +4
      Well, break off the Azerbaijanis, they are doing so well :)
  42. ed65b
    ed65b 20 June 2013 19: 19 New
    +3
    The expert suggests that “Putin knows nothing.” Why? And because he does not report on deliveries. In Russia, there is a “powerful Azerbaijani lobby,” the analyst says.

    I did not read this nonsense further. This GDP does not know ?????? Everyone knows, but he doesn’t. Custom article and Loch expert.
  43. jjj
    jjj 20 June 2013 21: 00 New
    +1
    All events taking place in and near the territory of the post-Soviet space should be looked at through the prism of reconstructing a new alliance of states of something between the USSR and the Russian Empire with the capital in St. Petersburg. In this case, much becomes clear.
  44. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 20 June 2013 21: 16 New
    0
    Azerbaijani military circles show great interest in Turkish-made drones. This was reported to APA by the Turkish Defense Industry Secretariat (SOP).
    Since last year, a number of bilateral meetings on this topic have taken place. Representatives of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, who visited Turkey, visited manufacturing companies, got acquainted with the process of producing drones, watched their flights, studied the technical characteristics.
    According to the results of the 2012 year, the SOP report noted that in connection with this issue in January last year, a meeting of representatives of the State Border Service, airlines and the General Staff of Turkey was held in Ankara.
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  46. Vlad Zach
    Vlad Zach 20 June 2013 21: 37 New
    +5
    Quote: 1. Vladimir Zakharov is a person who receives a salary from Ara Abrahamyan. It is 10 thousand US dollars monthly. He is part of a pro-Armenian group of Russian analysts, so he should not be taken seriously. On my desk is his book, written two years ago - "Military construction in the CIS countries", where he foaming at the mouth proves that there are no SMERCH MLRS systems in Azerbaijan, while four years ago these systems are on the parade in Baku showed. So Zakharov himself was bought, not officials in Putin's administration ... and so on.
    I am the same Zakharov about whom a certain anonymous author writes under the nickname 416сд
    (2) Today, at 08:45, he printed the passage above. I don’t know who you are? I do not know your nationality, it is clear that you are not Armenian. But the fact that a liar is no doubt. 1. None of the Armenians have yet paid me either a dollar or a ruble. Moreover, Ara Abrahamyan, who hangs himself, but will not give anyone a dollar. Maybe you’ll name that bank and that account, which receives 10 thousand dollars a month in my name, I will be incredibly grateful to you. I’m even ready for this to give you personally half of what lies on this account. I declare publicly and officially. And as I understand it, according to your calculations, more than one million dollars should already accumulate there. So for such information I am ready to pay / share not only with you, with any connoisseur of this mysterious account.
    When the Azerbaijani special services were offered to cooperate with me, several years ago, offering to create any structure, they appointed me a high salary, plus 10 employees, plus all sorts of bonuses and fees for any publication - I refused. At the same time, he said to this person: if your Azerbaijani authors were at least 20 percent correct in their historical research, I would be on your side, but they do not even pull out 10 percent. As a historian, I cannot collaborate with you. They found another person. And he works for them, he is not ashamed of himself.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 21 June 2013 11: 04 New
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      Quote: Vlad Zach
      I am the same Zakharov about whom a certain anonymous author writes under the nickname 416сд

      Open his profile, there all his data is written !!
      In order to understand this it is not necessary to be a * political scientist *, even higher education is not required!
      Quote: Vlad Zach
      But the fact that a liar is no doubt.

      While I can say this about you!
      You in your article state that the Azerbaijani leadership is quoting * Baku is no longer hiding that they are ready to join the Western states in the event of anti-Syrian aggression. "* - Isn't that a lie ??? Or your statements that Azerbaijan is anti-Russian ??
      These statements of yours already speak of your incompetence as a political scientist or your bias, since there is not a single example on your part of either the first statement or the second! In the first case, there is a clear lie, in the second, thoughts!
      Quote: Vlad Zach
      When the Azerbaijani special services were offering to cooperate with me, several years ago, offering to create any structure, they appointed me a high salary, plus 10 employees, plus all sorts of bonuses and fees for any publication - I refused

      Shtirlits correctly spoke, about people like you, the father of the provocateurs, cannot be an honest person!
      Quote: Vlad Zach
      . I'm like a historian

      it’s just the historisks and the documents that even I will prove to you 100 percent that you are a worthless historian !!
    2. 416sd
      416sd 21 June 2013 12: 08 New
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      1. I know you ... :) This is enough. For me. For now.
      2. You were paid. And they pay. We both know this, but I’m not saying that it’s bad, why be nervous, you just do your job. And I am mine. The money doesn’t come to your account :) I don’t need your money, I have mine :) As for who exactly pays you and how much, I won’t argue with you because I haven’t seen a person who was 34 years old I confessed this.
      3. Azerbaijani intelligence agencies also did their job. You have refused. Your right. Your choice. They found not one person by the way but many. Like the Armenian special services. This is a job, nothing personal.
      4. Only now you write idiocy in the book "Military development in the CIS countries" .... You purposefully suck the power of the Armenian Armed Forces out of your finger and underestimate that of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan. I am not nervous about this, I am stating a fact. Why didn't you explain why you didn't describe the presence of the MLRS Smerch in Azerbaijan back in 2008? And then they wrote the book later :) If you do not explain it to me, then I will have doubts that you are Zakharov :) In the course of the book you don’t know ...

      And yet - thank you and people like you. You taught us information warfare. We will wean you.
    3. Bardii
      Bardii 11 June 2014 09: 03 New
      0
      Dear Vladimir, don't you know that this is their only trump card and argument, "you can buy everything."
      And this despite the fact that everywhere they yell "poor Armenia !!!"
      Free honesty is beyond their comprehension.
    4. Bardii
      Bardii 11 June 2014 09: 03 New
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      Dear Vladimir, don't you know that this is their only trump card and argument, "you can buy everything."
      And this despite the fact that everywhere they yell "poor Armenia !!!"
      Free honesty is beyond their comprehension.
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    1. Apollo
      Apollo 20 June 2013 22: 12 New
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      Quote: Vlad Zach
      I am the same Zakharov about whom a certain anonymous author writes under the nickname 416сд


      let's say that everything that 416sd wrote, nonsense and nonsense, but how do you prove that you are exactly the one Zakharov for whom you impersonate, I can well assume that someone using your initials writes on your behalf.

      Quote: Vlad Zach
      When the Azerbaijani special services were offered to cooperate with me, several years ago, offering to create any structure, they appointed me a high salary, plus 10 people, plus all kinds of bonuses and fees for any publication - I refused.


      ................ but here it’s generally interesting, you can bring the facts. At least one fact


      Quote: Vlad Zach
      As a historian, I cannot collaborate with you. They found another person. And he works for them, he is not ashamed of himself.


      or at worst, the name of that other person.
  49. Firat
    Firat 20 June 2013 21: 41 New
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    Quote: Oleg Chuvakin
    Russia is not interested in destabilizing the situation, and the main “fuse,” according to the expert, is the presence of the Russian military contingent in Armenia.

    Quote: Oleg Chuvakin
    At the same time, Moscow hopes that Azerbaijan will not attack the COUNTRY, on the territory of which there are troops of the country from which it is buying weapons. Baku will not dare to attack the COUNTRY, which is connected with Russia by the treaty “On friendship, cooperation and mutual assistance”.


    Let me clarify ...
    Where and when did we say that we were going to attack Armenia?
    Karabakh is not Armenia and the CSTO agreement does not apply on its territory, or rather, on the territory of Azerbaijan!
    And since when has military action within a state (Azerbaijan) been considered an attack on another state (Armenia) ?!
    Author, what did you smoke?

    Quote: Oleg Chuvakin
    Azerbaijan is becoming an enemy of Russia. Present Azerbaijan is anti-Russian.


    Let's say that we attacked Armenia and robbed them of 5% of the territory ...
    What would Russia do? I think it will not be difficult to guess ...
    Russia will immediately attack Azerbaijan, return these 5% of the territory and, in addition, take 50% of the territory of Azerbaijan and then force it to write an agreement on ending the war and accepting independence of Karabakh ... Is it not?

    Now look what Russia has done to withdraw the Armenian occupiers from our lands ?!
    Armed them ...
    And how then can one talk about friendship ?!
    And how should we relate to the Russian government after that ?!
    You yourself put yourself in our position!
    What would you do?!
    I hope there will no longer be such stupid articles in the real sense of the word that we are anti-Russian and that we also owe something to Russia ...
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 20 June 2013 22: 33 New
      +9
      Quote: Firat
      Author, what did you smoke?

      To begin with, the author Oleg Chuvakin reviewed articles, but did not write them. And the review you still need to read to the end, where the author puts his resume throughout the review. Verbatim-So, cool the head. Speculations are inappropriate. No one incites conflict and pits the nations, while arming them. The Azerbaijani shadow lobby does not control Russia, the residents of Baku do not dream of an assault on Tehran, and the Kremlin is not interested in regional destabilization., so I apologize to the author for such hasty and offensive conclusions.
      1. Firat
        Firat 21 June 2013 00: 11 New
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        When I say the author ...
        I'm talking about the real author of this article
        Why should I say this to someone who just uploaded it to the forum?
    2. Firat
      Firat 21 June 2013 00: 17 New
      -4
      Instead of answering, minus it for your part
      But I still would like to know what I wrote wrong?
      Maybe Karabakh has become the territory of Armenia but no one knows?
      Or is the CSTO agreement already valid in the territory occupied by a member of the CSTO union but they don’t tell us about it?
      Instead of cons, leave your opinion ...
      Still don't sit through a calculator wink
      But another thing when there is nothing to answer
      Then it’s already clear
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 21 June 2013 07: 30 New
        +6
        Quote: Firat
        When I say the author ... I am talking about the real author of this article

        You stubbornly continue to flood not only trying to shift from a sick head to a healthy one, re-read your post above. In all the quotes you have Oleg Chuvakin, what other questions may be?
        Quote: Firat
        Instead of answering, minus it for your part

        For my part, not minus but keeping order on the site, and minus slapping for rudeness and disrespect for the work of others is justly deserved, since it’s not a warning.
        1. Firat
          Firat 21 June 2013 17: 27 New
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          Oleg Chuvakin
          This means a quote is taken from his post and does not mean that I answer him for the fact that he filled the words of another person ...
          First you understand what I’ll then begin to criticize ...
          I myself say that I say this to the author who wrote it and not the one who copied it here
          And you want to convince me that I say this to the author of this post.
          Yes, and minus for what you yourself invented
          I have no more words
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