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Syrian saga "three hundred"

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Syrian saga "three hundred"
Anti-aircraft missile system C-300. Photos from the official website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation



Possible deliveries to Syria of Russian ZRS C-300P have already managed to acquire a mass of myths. As, however, and this very SAM, which has never participated in any war.

Regarding the “three hundred”, it must be recalled that in the 70s this air defense system was created as an integral part of the USSR’s most powerful air defense system. It was supposed to be located mainly in the interior of the country, where there was no danger of an attack from the ground, it was "supported" by short-range and medium-range air defense systems "from below", and fighter was "above" aviation. In addition, the S-300P regiments themselves should have been many. If the air defense system is “taken out of context” and placed in conditions for which it was not created, its flaws begin to appear.

Achilles' Five Perfect WEAPONS

The first is cumbersome. Even in the minimum configuration, one C-300P division consists of about a dozen 12-meter 4-axle trucks weighing more than 40 tons. Moreover, one division is not a full-fledged combat unit.

The second drawback is the presence of a large "dead funnel" around each PU, within which the target cannot be hit.

The third drawback is a very low rate of reloading PU, at least one hour. Moreover, even this value is purely theoretical, for its implementation it is necessary to have a TZM for each launcher and a spare ammunition for the position of the division. As a rule, there is neither one nor the other; therefore, the ZRS is in a sense “disposable.”

From these shortcomings it follows that the air defense system is extremely vulnerable to attacks from the ground, and from the time of deployment - from the air. But even after deployment, each division, as well as the regiment's command post, must be covered with low-altitude air defense systems, MANPADS, ZRPK / ZSU. In addition, the regiment, consisting of one or two divisions, in reality is not capable due to the very rapid depletion of ammunition. In addition, there should be more than one division in order for them to overlap each other’s “dead craters”. Finally, the ZRS is very difficult to transport. In particular, air transfer is almost impossible. Theoretically, you can push one or two cars in An-124, but it is very expensive and time consuming. By sea too long, but at least cheaper. As mentioned above, the system is extremely vulnerable at the stages of transportation, unloading and a march to the place of deployment.

On all of this, to put it mildly, it will not be easy to deliver "three hundred" to Syria "secretly." Most likely, for its delivery, it will be necessary to conduct a serious military operation with the participation of naval warships, including cruisers (to provide air defense at least for the port of discharge). At the same time, in a country whose entire territory is engulfed in civil war, C-300П will be under constant threat of an attack from the ground by opposition fighters or disguised as opposition fighters by the opposition and after deployment. Therefore, the system will require a very strong permanent cover from the ground.

With regard to attacks from the air, if the air defense missile system can be deployed, it is intended to reflect them. The problem of staff training is now omitted (it is possible that this staff will not consist of Syrians). Impact on different potential opponents will also be different.

INSURANCE FROM INTERVENTION

As it is known, during the operation in Libya in 2011, the European Air Force took turns in "quitting the game" due to the complete exhaustion of their ammunition and fuel limits. Although the forces of Gaddafi did not have air defense at all. Syria has many old C-75, C-125, C-200, Square, Wasp and some new Buk and Pantsira. And this almost completely discourages the desire to repeat the Libyan version. The appearance of C-300P in Syria will exclude the possibility of Europeans interfering completely and irrevocably.

Israelis will be furious because their air force will face a really serious problem for the first time in 40. And despite the fact that they did not have pilots with real combat experience (attacks against unresponsive Palestinians and Hezbollah do not count). For the destruction of the "300" it will be necessary to conduct a very serious operation involving a significant part of the Israeli Air Force. At the same time, there will be a very high probability of loss and, accordingly, the capture of pilots in Syrian captivity, which will become another serious problem for the Jewish state.

At the same time, it is necessary to emphasize that the thesis, popular in Israel, about the danger of “three hundred” falling into the hands of terrorists is the embodiment of absurdity. Having captured C-300P, the terrorists can only blow it up on the spot, since they will not be able to carry out its maintenance and combat use, for which they obviously do not have enough qualifications (besides, maintenance is impossible without the participation of the manufacturer, that is, Russia). In addition, terrorists always seek secrecy of their actions. The S-300P ZRS is completely impossible to hide, since, as mentioned above, it consists of many huge machines. In addition, in combat conditions ZRS unmasks itself and on the air thanks to several powerful locators.

Only Americans can guaranteed to destroy C-300P without loss in aircraft and pilots: just crush it with Tomahawks. In this case, any cruise missile (with the exception of a stray) will perform the task - either destroy some element of the "300", or distract the 1-2 missiles to itself, which will contribute to depleting the ammunition. For which, as mentioned above, there is an almost insoluble recharge problem. In the end, the Americans have more “Tomahawks” than the Syrians will get their missiles, so sooner or later they will knock out the “three hundred” in such a simple way. True, it will take several hundred missiles (and their number in the American arsenals is by no means infinite and is apparently only 3 – 4 thousand) and the corresponding amount of millions of dollars will the relations with Moscow be catastrophically spoiled to return the defense of Syria to the state in which it is now. Israel, as shown above, will pay an even higher price to achieve the same result.

In general, of course, the presence of C-300P will significantly increase the sustainability of Syria’s air defense against NATO aggression, but the likelihood of such aggression is still very low. As for Israel, the likelihood of an attack on its part will probably even increase.

Written at all does not mean that Russia should not supply "three hundred" to Syria. At a minimum, a signed contract must be executed, especially since there is not the slightest reason not to carry it out. But it is necessary to set priorities correctly, that is, not to dwell on the threat, the probability of its realization is low, but concentrate on the threat that is being implemented today. MiG-29M, C-300, Buk and Bastion are good, but the Syrians also need the Kalashnikovs, RPG-7, T-72, D-30, BM-21, Mi-24, as well as ammunition to all this. Russia has infinitely many in the warehouses of this good, so it can be supplied free of charge (all the same, it is doomed to an early disposal). And the more pointless to dispose of ammunition by detonation (and sometimes at the cost of soldiers' lives), it is better to give them to Assad, so that his army can utilize them in battle.

ON THE FRONT LEVEL OF STRUGGLE AGAINST WAHHABISM

At the beginning of the Syrian conflict, the supply of such weapons intended for civil war, seemed morally questionable (at that time it sometimes seemed that the people rebelled against the dictator). Today, such doubts have disappeared. Not even because “revolutionary” Libya, Turkey and the Arab monarchies do not limit themselves in supplying weapons to the opposition, thereby, by the way, completely excluding the possibility of a peaceful solution (the Arabs and Turks pay for the opposition to fight before the victory). And not because a very large part of the Syrian people supports Assad, otherwise he would not have been not only in Damascus, but generally in the world. The fact is that the rapid internationalization and radicalization (more precisely, Wahhabisation) of the opposition makes the Syrian war our war. The World Wahhabi International is our most dangerous enemy, so anyone who fights against him is our natural ally.

The Americans have been such an ally to us for a very long time, no matter how blasphemous this may sound to our “patriotic public”. In Afghanistan and Iraq, they inflicted heavy losses on the Islamic radicals. Thanks to these two wars, Wahhabi pressure on Russia, especially on the Caucasus, has noticeably decreased. But now it is in the past. The Americans left Iraq a year and a half ago, they will leave Afghanistan in a year, but now they are quickly closing the operation. Now, Assad was at the forefront of the struggle. The more his fighters kill the Wahhabis, the better and calmer we will be. It is necessary to give the Syrian army everything that is required to solve this task, which is crucial for the security of Russia. It’s not a fact that opposition militants actually write on the walls in Russian “Today Syria - Russia Tomorrow”, but it’s a fact that it will be so in reality.

The position of the West in this matter is becoming increasingly indecent. Having received zero benefit and a lot of problems from the “Arab spring”, he continues to pronounce mantras about “a bloody dictator fighting against his own people.” If the dictator actually shoots his own people, he will not last a week, as was the case in Romania in December 1989. There, by the way, the draft army fully supported the people and quickly demolished the dictator. In Syria, the army is also fully recruiting, up to 80% it remains loyal to Assad. However, the strongest ideological narrow-mindedness does not allow the West to face the facts. Even more absurd is the behavior of Israel, for which Assad is obviously a much smaller evil than the opposition. Here, apparently, instincts are already operating.

However, this is the problem of the West and Israel, and not ours. The West has no real levers of pressure on Moscow, its anti-Assad and anti-Russian tantrums are evidence of weakness, not strength. The propaganda campaigns are designed to suppress the enemy’s will to resist, while concealing the inability of the West to use force in practice. From our oil and gas, he will not give up. It’s simply absurd to talk about force pressure. If NATO does not run the risk of war with Syria torn apart by civil war, what threat could it pose to us? On the contrary, the West is increasingly afraid of us, which, unfortunately, is completely misunderstood in Russia. True, there is such a specific way of putting pressure on our high-ranking officials as blackmail on the existence of accounts and real estate in this very West. But there are no comments.

Thus, strengthening the air defense and coastal defenses of Syria is, of course, useful as a “safety net” against Western-Turkish-Arab intervention. But much more important now is the means of ground war.

Moreover, they also become an additional "safety net". The main thing is that the Wahhabi killed at Homs will never come to Nalchik or Ufa.
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  1. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 20 June 2013 05: 46 New
    39
    Perhaps you can agree with the conclusions - three hundred is now not the most important thing for Syria. The option with Libya does not work because we have a completely different position and any attack is a confrontation with Russia, but the supply of conventional weapons - I really want to believe that our BDKs are not just hanging around in Middle East bully
    1. experienced
      experienced 20 June 2013 07: 40 New
      29
      First, there are almost more disadvantages than advantages, then Israeli pilots without combat training and, as an apotheosis, Americans are all in white with "tomahawks" ... It is clear that all this should be applied in a complex.
      If the S-300 were easy to suppress, there would not be such a howl around deliveries, but if they howl and go to Moscow to negotiate, then they are afraid. Do not forget about Iran, which stated that it would take the side of Syria, which means that anti-ship missiles and a mosquito fleet and missiles will be flown to US bases in the region. So not everything is so simple ... hi
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 20 June 2013 12: 09 New
        +6
        Quote: seasoned
        If C-300 were easy to suppress, then there would not be such a howl around deliveries, but if they howl and go to Moscow to negotiate, then they are afraid.

        The first of them

        Second flaw

        Third flaw

        And how does the American Patriot look on this background?
        By hearsay, I know his flaws are a heap.
        I would like to see the opinion of a competent person ...
        1. Joker
          Joker 20 June 2013 14: 11 New
          +7
          And how does the American Patriot look on this background?
          By hearsay, I know his flaws are a heap.

          Did it start? We are discussing the shortcomings of the S-300, otherwise it has already become a habit, if our technology has shortcomings, then we need to compare it with someone, provide a foreign model and sit with happy mines, they say we are great fellows. It is necessary to bring your technique to the ideal without looking back at competitors, otherwise we are accustomed to "we have no analogues in the world", and when you start to figure it out, there’s a lot of problems and a small cart. Not tired? Or it's nice when a neighbor's cow dies and it doesn't matter that you yourself live in a dugout, for that the neighbor is in trouble, you can smile.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 20 June 2013 18: 10 New
            +3
            Quote: Joker
            Got it? We are discussing the flaws of C-300, or it has already become a habit, if our equipment has flaws, then we need to compare it with someone, justify a foreign sample and sit with satisfied mines, that’s what we are doing well.

            This is your opinion, you have the full right to it, but ...
            EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE.
          2. Vovka levka
            Vovka levka 20 June 2013 20: 23 New
            0
            Quote: Joke It is necessary to bring your technique to perfection without looking back at competitors, otherwise you are used to "we have no analogues in the world", and when you start to figure it out, there’s a lot of problems and a small cart. Not tired? [/ quote

            All right There is nothing perfect in the world. I just wonder how you, the Patriots didn’t peck you with minuses.
            [/ comment-show]
          3. Setrac
            Setrac 20 June 2013 22: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: Joker
            Got it? We are discussing the flaws of the S-300, otherwise it has become a habit, if our equipment has flaws, then you need to compare it with someone, justify a foreign sample and sit with satisfied mines,

            The indicated shortcomings (most of them) are inherent in all air defense systems as an armament class; the S-300 is no exception. Therefore, they pointed to similar weapons in other countries.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 20 June 2013 15: 20 New
          -2
          Which one. It is as if you are talking about Russian systems, you would simply designate them C - without further index.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 20 June 2013 15: 19 New
        +1
        But the article began normally
      3. _Forgiven_
        _Forgiven_ 20 June 2013 21: 02 New
        0
        Let's hope and believe that the CIA understands Russian poorly and no one there knows about the VO site. And then the author painfully popularly described the shortcomings of the installation that you involuntarily begin to worry :) Better the Jews and Mandalayas, as they were afraid of three hundred, and continue in the same spirit smile
    2. krasin
      krasin 20 June 2013 07: 56 New
      +3
      The West is increasingly afraid of us, which in Russia, unfortunately, is completely not understood.

      How do they not understand this ??? Everyone understands everything perfectly.
      I am a man, albeit a military man, far from rockets, but the S-300, as described, but a cumbersome thing!
      1. Airman
        Airman 20 June 2013 09: 48 New
        14
        Quote: krasin
        The West is increasingly afraid of us, which in Russia, unfortunately, is completely not understood.

        How do they not understand this ??? Everyone understands everything perfectly.
        I am a man, albeit a military man, far from rockets, but the S-300, as described, but a cumbersome thing!


        Yes, the complex is large, it is difficult to disguise it. The rest is from the evil one. It depends on which modification they will supply. The closest border of the affected area is 3-5 km, the minimum height of the targets being hit is 25 m, so the dead funnel is not so big. The S-300 is always covered by short-range air defense systems. The brigade (regiment) includes 3-4 divisions , in a division of 12 launchers, 4 missiles each, count. Moreover, the reloading of PU with a trained calculation occurs quite quickly.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 20 June 2013 18: 13 New
          +3
          Quote: Povshnik
          Moreover, the reloading of PU with a trained calculation occurs quite quickly.

          - "The first is ready!" - "second ready" - "third ready!" - "the fourth is ready!" - Align TPM! - "The first is ready!" - "second ready" - "third ready!" - "the fourth is ready!" When every member of the combat crew dreams of this every night, it means that the training process is set up normally and soon the calculation will be quite even trained.
          They drove in the USSR, and tough. How trained are the Syrians? And are they trained at all? It’s not the S-300 that fights, in the S-300 - it simply has good potential.
        2. Scoun
          Scoun 20 June 2013 18: 38 New
          +3
          Quote: Povshnik
          The rest is from the evil one. It depends on which modification they will deliver.

          That's just the point .. the author is disingenuous ... S-300PM last was produced in 1994
          export options (upgraded) went S-300PMU1 further PMU2
          I could be wrong, but what kind of "cavern" are we talking about?
          In 1999, several types of missiles were first introduced at once, in addition to the 5V55R (V-500R), 48N6 and 48N6E2 S-300PMU1 missiles, could use two new missiles: 9M96E1 and 9M96E2. Both are significantly smaller in size than previous missiles, and weigh 330 and 420 kg, respectively, while carrying smaller masses (24 kg) of warheads [21]. 9M96E1 has a radius of destruction of 1-40 km and 9M96E2 1-120 km. For maneuvering, they rather use not even the aerodynamic plumage, but the gas-dynamic system, which allows them to have a very high probability of destruction, despite the much smaller warhead. The probability of hitting a ballistic target is 0,9 [22] for both missiles. S-300PMU1 uses the 83M6E control system, although there is also compatibility with the old Baikal-1E and Senezh-M1E control systems. The 83M6E includes a 64N6E survey radar. The on-load tap-changer uses 30N6E1 and optionally a low-altitude detector 76N6 and an all-altitude detector 96L6E can be used. 83M6E can control up to 12 launchers, both self-propelled 5P85SE and trailed 5P85TE. Usually, support vehicles, such as the 40V6M tower, designed to raise the antenna post, are also turned on.

          In general, a lot more questions .. the article itself raises ....
        3. nycsson
          nycsson 20 June 2013 19: 38 New
          0
          Quote: Povshnik
          Moreover, the reloading of PU with a trained calculation occurs quite quickly.

          Pretty fast is a loose concept. I am not a PUSHNIK, but I think no less than 15-20 minutes per launcher.
        4. vjhbc
          vjhbc 20 June 2013 20: 14 New
          0
          that is, you think that Russia will supply Syria with at least 10 C 300 regiments with cover of their systems Buk-M1-2, Tor-M2E and Pantsir-C1, we will build over-the-horizon Duga-2 radars, etc. Radars to create a continuous radar field
          Quote: Povshnik
          Quote: krasin
          The West is increasingly afraid of us, which in Russia, unfortunately, is completely not understood.

          How do they not understand this ??? Everyone understands everything perfectly.
          I am a man, albeit a military man, far from rockets, but the S-300, as described, but a cumbersome thing!


          Yes, the complex is large, it is difficult to disguise it. The rest is from the evil one. It depends on which modification they will supply. The closest border of the affected area is 3-5 km, the minimum height of the targets being hit is 25 m, so the dead funnel is not so big. The S-300 is always covered by short-range air defense systems. The brigade (regiment) includes 3-4 divisions , in a division of 12 launchers, 4 missiles each, count. Moreover, the reloading of PU with a trained calculation occurs quite quickly.
      2. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 20 June 2013 15: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: krasin
        How is it that they don’t understand ??? Everyone understands everything perfectly. I'm a man, albeit a military man, far from rockets, but the S-300, as described, is a cumbersome thing!

        And what is the "bulkiness" of the S-300? Can you imagine what it would be like to find a separate PU in an area of ​​hundreds of square kilometers? The S-300 is prized for its "diminutiveness" by the standards of medium-range air defense. The launcher itself can be deployed in a street between two houses, and the radar station can be located in the next block.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 June 2013 15: 21 New
          -6
          UAV. There are such little things
          1. iSpoiler
            iSpoiler 20 June 2013 15: 36 New
            +7


            Nuuu is not always ..) Mig 29 there are such little things))
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 20 June 2013 16: 11 New
              -2
              Sometimes it happens. And then read about the experience of their application in the five-day
            2. patrianostra
              patrianostra 20 June 2013 18: 29 New
              0
              an interesting option since when missiles at the wing end put all the wonder and wonder am
          2. Scoun
            Scoun 20 June 2013 18: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: Pimply
            UAV. There are such little things

            For small UAVs, there is a small problem, the detection range .. to get closer .. most likely you have to invade .. and for such small UAVs
            Syria has many old air defense systems S-75, S-125, S-200, Kvadrat, Osa and a few new ones "Bukov" and "Shell".

            I think the last two are quite capable of dealing with a small UAV.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 20 June 2013 20: 25 New
              -3
              The fact of the matter is that with modern optics and stealth of UAVs, it is extremely difficult to detect it even with the above systems. A bit like a cannon on sparrows.
              1. SSR
                SSR 20 June 2013 21: 51 New
                +1
                oh, Eugene, always treated your comments with interest and without bias.
                Quote: Pimply
                It’s like a cannon on sparrows.

                for the "sparrow" radar S-300 and a slingshot ...
                Syria has many old S-75, S-125, S-200, "Square", "Wasp" and a few new "Buk" and "Shell".

                Quote: Scoun
                The 83M6E includes a 64N6E survey radar. RPN uses 30N6E1 and can additionally be used low-altitude detector 76N6 и All-height detector 96L6E. 83M6E can control up to 12 launchers, both self-propelled 5P85SE and trailed 5P85TE. Usually, support vehicles, such as the 40V6M tower, designed to raise the antenna post, are also turned on.

                But as you know, S-300 radars can detect a target with ... EPR?
                so something like this ....
              2. Kirgudum
                Kirgudum 21 June 2013 00: 07 New
                +3
                "The fact of the matter is that with modern optics and low-visibility UAVs, it is extremely problematic to detect it even with the above systems"
                - I’ll tell you one story told to me by a professor who I knew (not the troll one).
                This professor was a cadet at the military department, and once they climbed into "Shilka". And they brought her in. And then - the air defense men will understand me - they (on the radar screen) SEE THE PURPOSE. Sometimes people serve for years without seeing a goal, but here they immediately have a PURPOSE. Immediately something like this dialogue
                "The interrogator is friend or foe!
                - Doesn't answer!
                -Distance?
                - Three kilometers!
                -Use optoelectronic scope!
                - There is a use of an optical-electronic sight !! "

                The professor (then still a cadet) guides, looks - and in the sky soars ... a crane ... That's what I said - if the antediluvian "Shilka" could see a bird on the radar without a gram of metal, then almost any drone will live exactly until entering the affected area of ​​any more modern and not very modern systems. The professor (who is a troll) would then recall Shalamov's words that in the five-day war, Russian soldiers could not do anything with Georgian drones, I will not upload a video again where such a drone is lost by the MiG, but I will just remind you that the 58th Army on the march did not have any neither "Shilki" nor "Tungusski" are themselves, but only MANPADS - the usual Russian sloppiness, which, as usual, did not have a significant impact on the course of beating the insolent aggressors.
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 20 June 2013 19: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Gluxar_
          Do you imagine what it is like to find a separate launcher in an area of ​​hundreds of square kilometers

          Enough of any means .....
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 20 June 2013 20: 15 New
            0
            Quote: nycsson
            Quote: Gluxar_
            Do you imagine what it is like to find a separate launcher in an area of ​​hundreds of square kilometers

            Enough of any means .....


            At the worst, from aerial reconnaissance satellites amers will receive 100% Old - there will not be enough dark time of day to unload, make a march, turn around and provide camouflage.
    3. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 20 June 2013 15: 00 New
      12
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Perhaps you can agree with the conclusions - three hundred is now not the most important thing for Syria. The option with Libya does not work because we have a completely different position and any attack is a confrontation with Russia, but the supply of conventional weapons - I really want to believe that our BDKs are not just hanging around in Middle East

      But I do not agree with this opinion. The article is a fat minus. Typical work of Western whims.
      No one will destroy the S-300 without loss, not Israel, not the United States. To cover the funnels, you do not need to do this with "shelves", the arrangement of the installations themselves in different positions allows this. The S-300 complex is one of the most mobile in the world, and there is no need to concentrate all divisions in one place. The author examines a hypothetical massive invasion of enemy aircraft. Even so, one S-300 division will fire a salvo of 48 missiles and destroy at least 24 invasion aircraft. When and where did NATO forces achieve such a concentration? An hour later, the division is ready again, and the overlap of 2-3 divisions will create a firing zone that will be able to grind up to 60 enemy aircraft per hour. Moreover, some of the installations will always be equipped with missiles. Of course, the complexes themselves are covered with short-range complexes.
      The transfer itself is elementary. The IL-76 will deliver the S-300 without problems and not expensive. Corridor bypassing Turkey through the Caspian Sea, Iran and Iraq. Or ships to Tartus.

      Regarding the provocation on conventional weapons, this is another lie. Syria did not order conventional weapons from Russia, and there are plenty of assault rifles there, just like granotometres. The West launched this duck in order to mix white with black, since there are no mechanisms to ban Russia from installing air defense systems, it is necessary to mix legal contracts with illegal ones and blacken Russia. If Syria needs small arms, Iran will provide as much as needed.

      So know how to distinguish provocations from news.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 20 June 2013 18: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Gluxar_
        one S-300 division will launch a salvo of 48 missiles and destroy at least 24 aircraft

        Or 24 false targets
        It is possible to create conditions when first they crush with EW, then HARM, there are hundreds of false targets interspersed with tomahawks ...
        In short, the Israeli General Staff is not in vain getting money ...
        I think all the Jews of the world will throw off a hundred tomahawks is not a problem
      2. wolk71
        wolk71 20 June 2013 18: 30 New
        0
        I completely agree with you !!!!
      3. a
        a 20 June 2013 19: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: Gluxar_
        But even in this case, one S-300 division will fire a salvo of 48 missiles, and destroy at least 24 invasion aircraft.


        the first phase of the invasion will definitely not be planes. They will try to deactivate the S-300 by a ground operation, or using combat drones, or, as the author wrote, using tomahawks. even if half of the tomahawks are shot down, the S-300 complexes will certainly be destroyed. not a single plane will be shot down, not a single pilot will die. and the tomahawk, well, iron. albeit expensive. still riveted. manufacturers will even be happy. But only the United States has the author of right-wing cruise missiles. but it is the United States that least of all wants to get involved in this adventure. yes they want Assad to leave. but I think that this is their desire, rather, "by inertia" - because of the pressure of internal aggressive forces (Republicans) and because they cannot but support Britain and France. Look at how Obama is relatively restrained. he clearly doesn't want to get in there.
        But I think that the author may be wrong in his thesis that the West raised hysteria because it cannot remove Assad, and this shows our strength and their weakness. It may be so, but I think the West is just cunning. under the guise of this hysteria, they are considering what a dirty trick to arrange. and while we tell ourselves - look how strong we are, see the West could not do anything with our protege Assad, they will find how to sting us :(
    4. igor67
      igor67 20 June 2013 15: 32 New
      0
      Lavrov: S-300 deliveries to Syria are not completed, Russia is ready to send peacekeepers to the Golan

      publication time: 14: 18
      last update: 14: 21

      Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Larov said in an interview with the Russia-24 TV channel that the contract for the supply of S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Syria has not yet been fully implemented.

      "We are fulfilling all our contracts. So far, the contract has not been fully implemented," RIA Novosti quotes the chief diplomat of Russia.

      Lavrov also said that Moscow's proposal to send peacekeepers to the Golan remains in effect. In his opinion, it is the Russian contingent that is ideal for this mission. "It depends on the willingness to accept this option of the Syrian government, because we are talking initially about the mandate of this peacekeeping operation. It was written that the mandate was confirmed, taken into account in the agreement between Syria and Israel. And this agreement said that they agreed to exclude from the composition of the contingents that will form this mission, the contingent of permanent members of the Security Council. That was a long time ago, it was at the height of the Cold War ... and now I see no reason why Russian peacekeepers would be unacceptable for Syria and Israel. " - said the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry.

      Recall that the shortage of peacekeepers in the UNDOF mission will soon be filled at the expense of the military from Fiji.
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 20 June 2013 18: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: igor67
        Lavrov: S-300 deliveries to Syria are not completed, Russia is ready to send peacekeepers to the Golan

        publication time: 14: 18
        last update: 14: 21

        hi Maybe that's not why?
        MOL Comfort sank, confirms the Indian Coast Guard. The crew left the broken ship in two; it was 200 miles off the coast of Yemen, 840 miles from Mumbai. A crew of 26 people were rescued by vessels nearby - MV Hanjin Beijing, MV Zim India and MV Yantian Express. The ship sank shortly after the crew left it. In the area there is a storm with excitement up to 6 meters high. Crew 26 people - 14 Philippines, 11 Russia, 1 Ukraine. The sea in the area of ​​the death of the container ship is strewn with drifting containers. According to preliminary data, there were 4500 containers on board.

        Source: Logistic Club | Logist.ru

        Well, taking into account the fact that the container ship was carrying about 4500 containers with weapons and ammunition for the population ...)))
  2. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 20 June 2013 05: 53 New
    22
    I already wrote that we in Syria kill our relatives, terrorists with the wrong hands, not very, but nice.
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 20 June 2013 11: 21 New
      +5
      Why NOT VERY MUCH? In my opinion it is VERY nice)))
      Sincerely.
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      2. Hudo
        Hudo 20 June 2013 20: 21 New
        0
        Quote: ale-x
        Why NOT VERY MUCH? In my opinion it is VERY nice)))
        Sincerely.


        Not very nice, for example, because killing terrorists, the Syrian army suffers losses in l / s. So it's nice, with a bitter aftertaste.
  3. vadson
    vadson 20 June 2013 06: 06 New
    +6
    I think the United States and Israel are not afraid of transferring 300 from Hezbola to Iran. The ultimate goal is still Iran. If Iran has three hundred technologies, even the first modifications, they quickly rivet their number. Then we will have to forget about the war with little blood. And China will continue to develop on Iranian oil.
    1. regsSSSR
      regsSSSR 20 June 2013 06: 37 New
      +7
      yeah riveted one such)) s-300 etozh whole system! the most sophisticated radars about missiles, I am completely silent! yes even have Iran full documentation anyway they don’t have to pull it. It will take a lot of time and money! Now, if such a gift to China breaks off, this is a completely different matter, but does China already have a S-300 if it seems I am unmistakable?
    2. Timtom
      Timtom 20 June 2013 07: 10 New
      40
      The author contradicts himself. First he writes that the S-300 is always covered by short-range air defense systems. And then he sets out his speculation that it would be the S-300 that would be hollowed into the tomahawks. And where is the logic?

      Why does the author want to spend an expensive S-300 missile on a tomahawk, if the tomahawk, when approaching the target 3-7 km, is guaranteed to destroy the TOP m2e and almost guaranteed to be launched with the twin launch of the Igla-S SAM.

      That is, there are systems that are specifically tailored to destroy cruise missiles a few kilometers from the guarded object. In these systems, packs of inexpensive short-range missiles and they quickly recharge.
      With the price of one tomahawk more than $ 2 million, its exchange for a pair of inexpensive short-range anti-aircraft missiles, very quickly cool the fervor of even a very rich enemy.
      1. serg. 555
        serg. 555 20 June 2013 07: 44 New
        +4
        Right.
      2. S-200
        S-200 20 June 2013 08: 12 New
        13
        Right ! In addition, there are "Shilki", "Tunguska", "Pantsiri" "Torah" ...
        Those. everything speaks of the Syrian air defense system in Syria, with a performance that promises gloomy prospects for the strike forces of the NATO and Israeli air forces ... And the coastal complex Bastion-S will not allow it to get closer to its position of the NATO Navy closer than 300 km! That with the combat radius of deck aviation AUG 700-800km (without additional fuel tanks) greatly limits the tactical methods of its use!
      3. Avenger711
        Avenger711 20 June 2013 09: 00 New
        +2
        And the logic is that there can be stresses with air defense of the near zone. Quantity decides and it is necessary to build a system, and not just drag a couple of divisions. The same protection is also needed from helicopters, which can be used instead of shelling with tomahawks.
        1. Joker
          Joker 20 June 2013 14: 18 New
          +3
          You argue that our air defense hits right without a miss, tests have already been done and there were shoals, so there’s no need to rely on air defense, even deeply echeloned, fighter aircraft, interceptor fighters, and then 100% protection cannot be achieved. Launch a lot of rockets and try to shoot everything down, but there is still a UAV. And then I doubt that Syria will have a deeply echeloned air defense system that can shoot down every single missile from Israel and from the sea. Therefore, we need to send our troops there, at least peacekeeping and let Syria’s air defense closer to them be based, so that they could bomb them, get ours in return, and increase the supply of weapons to Syria, push the terrorists abroad as quickly as possible. Turkey, and there the Turks let them get their friends back laughing
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 20 June 2013 15: 24 New
            -3
            Given modern missiles, troops will be forced to literally hug these s-300s
        2. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 20 June 2013 15: 15 New
          +4
          Quote: Avenger711
          And the logic is that there can be stresses with air defense of the near zone. Quantity decides and it is necessary to build a system, and not just drag a couple of divisions. The same protection is also needed from helicopters, which can be used instead of shelling with tomahawks.

          What kind of helicopters? What are you talking about ? The US uses tomahawks to avoid casualties. A helicopter in the Syrian air defense zone is a burning iron coffin for its pilots. The S-300 will not even spend rockets on it; shells will work like with a Turkish plane.
          The success of the Israeli strike is largely due to the fact that the missiles were fired from a long range. Jews did not fly over Damascus. It is for the destruction of such goals that the S-300 is needed.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 20 June 2013 16: 11 New
            -3
            See the details of the first strike. Or a flight to the Assad Palace in 2006. The attack on the reactor in 2008. This is if we talk about reality
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 20 June 2013 18: 25 New
              +6
              Quote: Pimply
              Or a flight to the Assad Palace in 2006. The attack on the reactor in 2008. This is if we talk about reality

              Well, it was Putin who made the decision to sell 36 shells to Syria in 2006, despite Israel's outrage. So he answered - "and that would not fly on a low level over the palace of Assad." Actually, the utmost arrogance. Kazakhstan, with its relative modern aircraft, could fly over Bishkek and fly superbly - the Kyrgyz have no air defense at all, because there are norms of international law, etc. - which must be respected. Bumpy, how can you be proud of that?
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 20 June 2013 20: 27 New
                -1
                Yes you can. Kazakhstan has a war with Kyrgyzstan? And at that time, Israel and Syria had a war, plus the hands of Hezbollah. A subtle hint of this.
                1. Kirgudum
                  Kirgudum 21 June 2013 00: 13 New
                  +1
                  At that time, Syria and Israel had a ceasefire agreement that you unilaterally brazenly violated.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 21 June 2013 02: 26 New
                    0
                    Have you read the ceasefire? It provides for the division of troops in a specific territorial area, and, especially emphasized, is not a peace agreement. Find, is in the public domain, discover a lot of new things.
    3. kPoJluK2008
      kPoJluK2008 20 June 2013 07: 35 New
      11
      The Chinese tried to rivet on the fast S-300.
      At the firing range, a rocket shoots further than 40 km, it doesn’t fly, everyone remade it, shoot again, it does not fly again. They spat and began to buy from us ...
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 20 June 2013 11: 46 New
        +2
        It was necessary to modify the chisel. wassat
        1. agbykov
          agbykov 20 June 2013 13: 48 New
          0
          and do not forget the sledgehammer wink
      2. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 20 June 2013 12: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: kPoJluK2008
        The Chinese tried to rivet on the fast S-300.
        At the firing range, a rocket shoots further than 40 km, it doesn’t fly, everyone remade it, shoot again, it does not fly again. They spat and began to buy from us ...

        ... so they don’t know how to work with a file laughing
      3. ATATA
        ATATA 20 June 2013 17: 58 New
        0
        Quote: kPoJluK2008
        The Chinese tried to rivet on the fast S-300.
        At the firing range, a rocket shoots further than 40 km, it doesn’t fly, everyone remade it, shoot again, it does not fly again. They spat and began to buy from us ...

        Sorry.
        Can I link to the info?
    4. Pimply
      Pimply 20 June 2013 15: 22 New
      -3
      And here you will be absolutely right. Both Hezbollah and Iran - there is a double probability.
  4. avant-garde
    avant-garde 20 June 2013 06: 06 New
    28
    No matter how things are with the S-300, Russia has no choice but to go to the victorious end with Assad, and if we deviate from our idea we will once and for all lose our face as a world power. So, let the GDP rot its line further. Assad and his army wish you success and the speedy complete destruction of these Western cannibals angry !!!!
    1. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 20 June 2013 15: 21 New
      0
      Quote: avant-garde
      No matter how things are with the S-300, Russia has no choice but to go to the victorious end with Assad, and if we deviate from our idea we will once and for all lose our face as a world power. So, let the GDP rot its line further. Assad and his army I wish you success and the speedy complete destruction of these Western cannibals !!!!

      Well, in fact, everything is not so tragic. Russia just has a field for maneuver and bidding, but the West and the Sunnis are pinned to the ropes. The fall of Syria in the worst case will lead to a direct threat to Iran, while worsening the situation of Israel, because it is surrounded by Sundafi Sunnis.
      The victory of Syria is not only a blow to the authority of the West, but also a direct threat to the monarchies of the bay, and through them the energy security of both Europe and the United States. If Syria wins in the next 3 years, then the inevitable response is already inside Qatar and the CA.
  5. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 20 June 2013 06: 19 New
    19
    Right. The fight against Wahhabism must be supported by all the forces at our disposal, otherwise they will come to us.
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 20 June 2013 11: 29 New
      +6
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Right. The fight against Wahhabism must be supported by all the forces at our disposal, otherwise they will come to us.

      The question is clear as God's day, or Assad, with our help, is at war with the bad cannibals or we will have to fight. The answer is obvious.
    2. Remko
      Remko 20 June 2013 18: 49 New
      0
      The Wahhabis, a new method of armament, as soon as the money runs out, they launch several times a day clips of bombing of Syrian aircraft. It is not clear where millions of Qatari sponsors have gone. Can Assad strike the Arab Emirates than the opposition?
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 20 June 2013 20: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Remko
        Can Assad strike the Arab Emirates than the opposition?


        What next? Even with the fictitious use of chemical weapons, it wasn’t all over, and Al-Asad would be taken like that and given the striped 100% chance to declare himself illegal as having committed an act of aggression.
  6. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 20 June 2013 06: 28 New
    +8
    Asad vobsha need to post everything that shoots flies and knocks down enemy cars and more more! what kind of talk can there be! and the S-300 should have been there for a long time !!
    1. Airman
      Airman 20 June 2013 11: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: regressSSSR
      Asad vobsha need to post everything that shoots flies and knocks down enemy cars and more more! what kind of talk can there be! and the S-300 should have been there for a long time !!


      And so that they wouldn’t yell that the S-300 didn’t live up to expectations, it’s necessary to supply the latest modifications, and well-trained crews, otherwise it will be like in Vietnam, for one shot down plane up to 17 missiles with Vietnamese crews, 1-3 Soviet ones.
  7. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 20 June 2013 06: 33 New
    11
    Yes, the author is in many ways right.
    Now the Western crusaders threw their cannibals -WAHHABITS into the front line. In the fight against them, all means are good.
    SZ00 so far plays a more role as a scarecrow baton.
    Our diplomats are very cunningly nervous about both ISRAEL and the USA - it can be applied and it may not
    the state of uncertainty is very unpleasant for them.
    1. regsSSSR
      regsSSSR 20 June 2013 07: 13 New
      +2
      it is truth too! but I still believe that it would be better for everyone if these same scarecrow batons (c300) would all the same get to Syria hi
  8. Gromily4
    Gromily4 20 June 2013 06: 49 New
    +7
    But interestingly, the Patriot air defense system comparison from 1 to 3 points.
    Something I doubt that in comparison with it, ours will have so many shortcomings.
  9. xirurg.net
    xirurg.net 20 June 2013 07: 03 New
    +8
    An amazing thing - there are no people who disagree with the author of the article!)) Perhaps I will join the author and the forum users. I completely agree with the conclusions. Work with the rear of the SAR army, as well as active work in the foreign policy direction (at least to take the results of the G8), gives its results, which the Western mass media write with sadness. Well, very nice. We wish the Syrians a speedy liberation from this Western rot, so who else but we should know!
  10. Xmypp
    Xmypp 20 June 2013 07: 24 New
    +1
    While ours will be rolling cotton, which they have been doing lately, in the near future we will not find Syria.
  11. VkadimirEfimov1942
    VkadimirEfimov1942 20 June 2013 07: 41 New
    +8
    I support Khramchikhin’s article with both hands. Assad should be helped not only by air defense, but also by ground military means. Our warehouses often explode (something too often?) Let our headache become a headache for NATO members and Wahhabi gangs!
  12. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 20 June 2013 07: 46 New
    10
    The author missed one important detail, three hundred can be aimed at the target without using radars in Syria. Enough radar network from the territory of Russia, which generally can not be attacked by existing opponents of Syria. So only launchers and communications are enough.
    1. S-200
      S-200 20 June 2013 12: 54 New
      +3
      Where does this fantasy come from?
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 20 June 2013 16: 45 New
        0
        SAM S-300PT can operate both independently and as part of an anti-aircraft missile system. In this case, the operation of the S-300PT air defense system is carried out from the 5K56 combat command post, Baikal-1 command post using a telecode communication system.
        maybe you don’t know anything about it.
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 20 June 2013 17: 28 New
          0
          Quote: vladsolo56
          RK S-300PT can work both independently and as part of an anti-aircraft missile system. In this case, the operation of the S-300PT air defense system is carried out from the 5K56 combat command post, Baikal-1 command post using a telecode communication system.
          maybe you don’t know anything about it.


          http://uos.ua/produktsiya/tehnika-pvo/78-zenitniy-raketniy-kompleks-s-300pt.....
          I apologize, this article only talks about autonomy and about the ability to work as part of a connection. It does not mean that the TPK rides on its own for 2000 km from the complex and hits targets.
        2. S-200
          S-200 20 June 2013 17: 33 New
          +2
          Well, you read it and concluded that - "Enough of the radar network from the territory of Russia, which cannot be attacked at all by the existing opponents of Syria ..."?
          What kind of "radar network" on the territory of Russia we are talking about, which is capable of "aim three hundred on the target "?
          Of course, I am not aware of all the innovations of the "radar network" of Russia and the "three hundred" ... But, I am gnawed by vague doubts about your improvisations on this topic ...
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 20 June 2013 15: 25 New
      0
      And also from the moon. There was a Soviet moon rover
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 20 June 2013 16: 05 New
        +6
        Quote: Pimply
        And also from the moon. There was a Soviet moon rover

        Why was it?
        True, there are precedents
    3. Airman
      Airman 20 June 2013 21: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: vladsolo56
      The author missed one important detail, three hundred can be aimed at the target without using radars in Syria. Enough radar network from the territory of Russia, which generally can not be attacked by existing opponents of Syria. So only launchers and communications are enough.


      Is geography all right? How many thousand kilometers from Russia to Syria? Name at least one radar capable of detecting a target from Syria in Syria at an altitude of at least 1 km? And what is telecode communication, you know? The trouble is, since the pie starts to stitch the boots ...
  13. serg. 555
    serg. 555 20 June 2013 07: 50 New
    +1
    There is no air defense at our base in Tartus ???
    1. roial
      20 June 2013 13: 20 New
      +2
      Where ????
      The 720th Logistics Support Point of the Russian Navy in Tartus (Syria) is the only permanent presence of Russian warships in the Mediterranean Sea and the only, currently, Russian military point in foreign countries. It consists of several small structures and two floating piers 100 meters long each. Only one in good condition.
    2. Hudo
      Hudo 20 June 2013 20: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: serg.555
      There is no air defense at our base in Tartus ???


      I am not a sailor, but it is logical to assume that naval air defense still cannot be absent in the presence of ships.
  14. Hikar
    Hikar 20 June 2013 07: 51 New
    -6
    Yes, I fully support the author, plus the S-300, add another MI-28, KA-52 helicopters, T-90 MS tanks and BMPT * Terminator *, and even tigers.
  15. S-200
    S-200 20 June 2013 07: 54 New
    22
    I - disagreeing... I just didn't earn the right to vote (((. Khramchikhin is still an analyst! He tries to "analyze" everywhere he doesn't understand what he doesn't understand! Starting from politics and (let's skip military affairs) ending with female pads))) ... Having read the performance characteristics of the air defense system The S-300 is trying to be clever by going into arguments like:
    - “The S-300P air defense system is completely impossible to hide, because, as mentioned above, it consists of many huge cars. In addition, in combat conditions, the air defense system unmasks itself on air thanks to several powerful locators. ”
    - “Only Americans can guarantee the destruction of the S-300P without loss in airplanes and pilots: just crush it with the Tomahawks.” In this case, any cruise missile (with the exception of one that has gone astray) will fulfill the task of either destroying some element of the “Three Hundred” or diverting 1-2 SAMs to itself, which will contribute to the depletion of the air defense system’s ammunition. For which, as mentioned above, there is an almost insoluble problem of recharging. "
    Every man, according to dominant gender law, has the right to reason on a military or football topic))). Although, if I have a weakness for women, this does not mean that I can seriously discuss medical topics with mammologists and gynecologists on highly specialized topics ....
    A person does not understand what principles the air defense system of a country, region, military units and formations, and the Navy is based on. This requires SPECIAL knowledge, and not “naked” information fished out from the media about the performance characteristics one or another type of weapon.
    -"The main thing is that a Wahhabite killed in Homs will never come to Nalchik or Ufa."
    Alas, it is NOT! Only Wahhabism killed "at the root", as for example, German Nazism will give lasting results ... It is necessary to beat "the headquarters" - the centers of this aggression, not being shy about the means. The religious fanatic is a formidable "wide-range, indiscriminate" weapon in the hands of OUR enemies, which they use WHEN they please. It is necessary to beat hard and painfully in order to discourage the rulers of those countries from whose territory subversive activities are organized and financed for a long time. (See "tricks" of Uncle Sam and the "smartest" nation in the world)))
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 20 June 2013 08: 26 New
      +4
      Quote: S-200
      A person does not understand what principles the air defense system of a country, region, military units and formations, and the Navy is based on. For this, SPECIAL knowledge is needed, and not “naked” information fished out from the media about the performance characteristics of one or another type of weapon.

      Your arguments against his allegations are not visible, apparently, you are an expert on air defense organization, I would like to hear.
      1. S-200
        S-200 20 June 2013 08: 35 New
        +5
        To analyze Syria’s air defense system, I need information that I don’t have (and cannot have). Extracted from the media will give a very approximate picture. Argumentation will require several pages of boring information with terminology that will require additional detailed explanations ... Sit down and write a reasonably well-reasoned article, alas - there is no time and necessary information. Although the level of the Khrushchikhin article allows for counter-argumentation with separate remarks ...
        1. the polar
          the polar 20 June 2013 10: 31 New
          +5
          Yes, I agree with you that there are plenty of "military analysts" who "analyze only rumors from the media. And there is practically no real information, for example, on the Syrian air defense, so something can only be assessed retrospectively, evaluating past events.

          In my opinion, the delay in the supply of S-300 is caused not only by political considerations, but also by the organizational and technical problems of the Syrian army. Indeed, for the effective use of the S-300, not only operational specialists are needed, but also the infrastructure for ensuring the security of the complex when relocating to selected positions, which now probably is not in the Syrian army, and its creation will require the diversion of significant military resources.
          The strike by the Israeli Air Force on the "scientific center" showed that Syria lacks modern short-range air defense systems to protect all important military facilities, and the "fifth column" has shown itself. For Russia, the military-technical reputation of its weapons is extremely important and its destruction in the initial period of operation, without demonstrating effective use, will have, among other things, serious losses for the military-political authority of the state. I think that the planners of our General Staff are constantly analyzing the capabilities of the Syrian army for the effective use of the S-300 and so far do not recommend rushing to deliveries, suggesting instead using political pressure and diplomatic blackmail of opponents. Until the military-technical conditions for the effective use of the complexes are ready in Syria.
          1. S-200
            S-200 20 June 2013 12: 57 New
            +2
            I agree with you! hi
          2. Timtom
            Timtom 20 June 2013 14: 12 New
            +8
            And we always analyze something while Washington deploys its Patriots, drives up marines and has the F-16 in the zone of our strategic interests.
            We analyzed in Yugoslavia, in Bosnia, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Libya. Now we analyze in Syria, then it will be analyzed in Iran, then in Armenia, then in Bashkiria and Tatarstan, and our analysis near Moscow will end. With the final analytical result, consisting of only one non-literary Russian word in the letter P.
    2. S-200
      S-200 20 June 2013 08: 54 New
      10
      Khramchikhin: “The S-300P air defense system is completely impossible to hide, because, as mentioned above, it consists of many huge cars. In addition, in combat conditions, the air defense system unmasks itself on air thanks to several powerful locators. ”
      my answer: It is POSSIBLE to hide the S-300! (And this "set" of huge machines has a very limited number!))) For the deployment time of the S-300 from the marching position to the combat position is 5 minutes! Hide it even in ground hangars (shelters) or underground - just change the location constantly! Equipment for spare and false positions with electromagnet simulators. and heat radiation. Of course, hostile drones have EMP spectrum analyzers, but ... this is WHO ... the dialectic of opposition and development. Yes, and the positional area of ​​the S-300 is covered, I hope, quite strongly with close means of destruction of air targets.
      1. mark1
        mark1 20 June 2013 09: 11 New
        +3
        I am not a great expert on air defense, but I also had 1 question - reload speed. The stated recharge time "more than an hour" itself is puzzling. this contradicts the whole philosophy of application laid down by the developers in the S-300 (the S-300P is designed to defend stationary objects from massive attacks by aviation and missile defense systems) at such a declared reloading speed, there can be no talk of repelling massive attacks. Where is the truth? Who served in the 300s, respond, you should know the standards.
        In addition to the S-300P, there is also the S-300V - they are much more mobile
        1. S-200
          S-200 20 June 2013 10: 17 New
          +5
          "Reloading" S-300 during combat firing can be carried out CONTINUOUSLY ...
          The fired launcher drives off to reload containers, and the "loaded" one drives up "somewhere" ...
          It all depends on the specialists serving this system, the number of additional launch vehicles available and located in the position area, the time of the entrance ...
          1. mark1
            mark1 20 June 2013 12: 47 New
            +5
            Quote: S-200
            The reloading of the S-300 during combat firing can be carried out CONTINUOUSLY ...

            THOSE. all the arguments of mister Khramchikhin about the "Achilles heel" of the S-300 - at least the arguments of an incompetent person, at the most - deza
            1. S-200
              S-200 20 June 2013 13: 27 New
              +3
              Of course, there is an "Achilles' heel" ... But you still need to get to this heel! wink I am more concerned about the Syrian anti-sabotage business ... And our specialists will do their job as they taught!
        2. Airman
          Airman 20 June 2013 11: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: mark1
          I am not a great expert on air defense, but I also had 1 question - reload speed. The stated recharge time "more than an hour" itself is puzzling. this contradicts the whole philosophy of application laid down by the developers in the S-300 (the S-300P is designed to defend stationary objects from massive attacks by aviation and missile defense systems) at such a declared reloading speed, there can be no talk of repelling massive attacks. Where is the truth? Who served in the 300s, respond, you should know the standards.
          In addition to the S-300P, there is also the S-300V - they are much more mobile


          S-300P is a complex created for the country's air defense, and S300V - for the air defense of the ground forces. The s-300V had higher mobility, although the latest modifications of the country's S-300 air defense have also high mobility.
        3. GRDS
          GRDS 20 June 2013 14: 45 New
          0
          Quote: mark1
          Quote: mark1
          I am not a great expert on air defense, but I also had 1 question - reload speed. The stated recharge time "more than an hour" itself is puzzling. this contradicts the whole philosophy of application laid down by the developers in the S-300 (the S-300P is designed to defend stationary objects from massive attacks by aviation and missile defense systems) at such a declared reloading speed, there can be no talk of repelling massive attacks. Where is the truth? Who served in the 300s, respond, you should know the standards.
          In addition to the S-300P, there is also the S-300V - they are much more mobile


          1) The object is covered not by one division, but by several. They cover each other and the area of ​​responsibility of neighboring divisions.
          2) When a group target> = 5 is detected, a product with a special part is used. Nobody will sell a special product to Syria "Esessno".
          3) It took 45 minutes to reload. if my memory serves me.

          "This is a rocket! And this is the rocket itself." (C)
          1. mark1
            mark1 20 June 2013 18: 03 New
            0
            45 minutes is decent, but if the reloading process is on the "conveyor" then maybe not everything is gloomy.
            It is interesting - what are the analogous indicators of the "Patriot" and our some old complex -75th and 125th.
            thanks for the info
            1. BYRY
              BYRY 20 June 2013 19: 51 New
              +1
              During the service on the S-200, the standard was 5 minutes for installing the missile on the launcher and 6 minutes for removing it. Before the training ground we were chased to the seventh sweat.
      2. faraon
        faraon 20 June 2013 10: 04 New
        0
        Dear Khramchikhin, all the arguments that you state are correct and not subject to doubt, but alas it was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines. Time was lost all this had to be done before the outbreak of hostilities. 300 should work in conjunction with other systems that in Syria are simply not possible. You need to create an infrastructure, which is again not possible. It will just be a good target for the United States and Israel. Which is not something that does not reach the place of deployment but it will not even be allowed to unload .Syria now needs all possible types of fighting (small arms) The purpose of the Syrian meat grinder is to grind the entire terrorist and Middle Eastern Muslim world as much as possible, or to weaken it at least, otherwise it will reach the Russian borders, Liberal Europe has already felt it
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 20 June 2013 13: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: faraon
          Time is lost

          It is checked only empirically!
          Oh, how many wonderful discoveries to us
          Prepare an enlightened spirit,
          And the experience of the son of errors difficult,
          And genius, friend of paradoxes.

          bully
          1. faraon
            faraon 20 June 2013 14: 02 New
            -2
            Yes, but again this is the presence of Russian service personnel, otherwise it will work again in past wars. Russians stand and die in positions, and the Arabs surrender air defense systems one by one. Dear, this is a different mentality and a completely different approach to business
            1. ATATA
              ATATA 20 June 2013 18: 13 New
              +5
              Quote: faraon
              The Russians stand and die in positions, and the Orabs surrender air defense systems one by one.

              In Syria, an exception to this "Orab" rule is planned.
              Hike Syrians are no longer "Orabs"? )
              Or "Orabs"))), who learned to fight? )
              "You cannot fight one enemy for a long time, he will learn to fight" (C) Napoleon
              1. faraon
                faraon 23 June 2013 13: 19 New
                0
                I doubt, however, that they have been waging a civil war for two years. Or are there not enough weapons?
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 23 June 2013 20: 51 New
                  0
                  Quote: faraon
                  Well, they have been waging a civil war for two years.

                  These wars do not differ in short-term, otherwise it is a coup, mutiny, etc.
                  Examples are given with onboard numbers doubting you are ours.
                  bully
        2. Black
          Black 20 June 2013 16: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: faraon
          A good goal for the United States and Israel. Which is not something that does not reach the place of deployment but it will not even be allowed to unload


          What, Israel decides to hit the Russian ships at unloading?
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 20 June 2013 18: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: Chen
            What, Israel decides to hit the Russian ships at unloading?

            No, the cars on the march are enough
            1. S-200
              S-200 20 June 2013 18: 45 New
              +6
              Quote: Pilat2009
              No, the cars on the march are enough

              1. Newly received S-300s will not arrive at the "permanent" deployment site by parade, as we usually observe on May 9 on Red Square .. soldier
              2. The unloading cover and on the march will be carried out by the air defense systems of Shell, Buk, Tor, etc., already available in Syria
              3. S-200M or VE 40 km west of Damascus. Its affected area covers 70% of the territory of Israel ... lol
              4. Syria (warned that ..) could strike back at Israel (Iskander-E, Bal-S) So let's look at the Israeli "leaky dome" ... is it capable of reliably intercepting "our export"lol
          2. faraon
            faraon 23 June 2013 13: 25 New
            0
            why when unloading. when unloading on the territory of Syria, or when transporting to the place of deployment. How do you like this scenario?
        3. mark1
          mark1 20 June 2013 18: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: faraon
          00 should work in conjunction with other systems that in Syria are simply not possible. You need to create an infrastructure, which is again not possible. It will just be a good target for the United States and Israel. It’s not that it doesn’t reach the place of deployment but it will not even be allowed to unload .

          So that everything is not so sad, "Moskva" can stand on the roadstead and cover until the complex is fully deployed, and the personnel of the complex for the first time may be, albeit "Syrian", but with kind Russian faces.
          1. faraon
            faraon 23 June 2013 13: 28 New
            0
            Maybe but we are not in the desert, and no one has yet canceled the electronic suppression system
      3. Locksmith
        Locksmith 20 June 2013 11: 36 New
        +4
        I support! At 82, there was 300 in a spear, there were only two cabins and a diesel engine, there was nothing else nearby — the complex was very dispersed, before launch, their launcher arrived in 5 minutes, the soldiers ran out, unplugged the cable, and after five minutes they had already fired off, unhooked and left !! The backlight station is generally in a different position winked , there they had a 200 kilowatt turbo generator, a cab and a locator and EVERYTHING !! They are very low — without a chassis about 1.5 times lower than a cab from 75 in height.
      4. Mhpv
        Mhpv 20 June 2013 13: 14 New
        0
        how can I hide !!!
        1. Timtom
          Timtom 20 June 2013 14: 28 New
          0
          For example, in a regular shipping container.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-Faz-oN884
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=280dVHlX1g0
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 20 June 2013 12: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: S-200
      Only Wahhabism killed "at the root", such as German Nazism, will give lasting results ...

      I support the comment, with a slight amendment:
      Nazism and national chauvinism American "specialists" which for a decade after the Second World War are trying to artificially revive and plant in Europe, and after the collapse of the USSR and in the former Union Republics ...
      1. S-200
        S-200 20 June 2013 13: 04 New
        +1
        "Divide and rule" ... under the guise of democracy and self-determination of each nation. The old working principle - invented long before them!
    4. Cynic
      Cynic 20 June 2013 13: 25 New
      0
      Quote: S-200
      I am dissenting ... I just didn’t earn the right to vote (((.. Khramchikhin is another analyst!

      Everyone has the right to vote, that’s true, by the way, but essentially you have a talent! Talk a lot, but in fact do not say anything!
  16. Asketxnumx
    Asketxnumx 20 June 2013 08: 20 New
    +1
    All repeats. Remember Europe of the thirties. And what happened to her, what happened in the forties? What did it cost us?
    Yesterday surrendered Egypt, Libya, Iraq. Today, Syria. Tomorrow we will shrug and scratch turnips - where did we look before? Yes, the maintenance and development of the army is expensive, very expensive. But without this, our state will not be able to survive. (Examples of small ones in Europe and the World). Our bowels become too tidbit. From protection begins now and away from the borders of the motherland.
    In my opinion, a very sensible idea: why destroy weapons and ammunition at home, when it can be done reasonably and with greater profit ...
  17. Vladomir
    Vladomir 20 June 2013 08: 22 New
    0
    Russia has no other way but to go to Syria to a victorious end, inspiring other countries and peoples to the victory of Anglo-Amero-Wahhabi-Fascism.
  18. sapsan14
    sapsan14 20 June 2013 08: 31 New
    +3
    The S-300, as an air defense system, in the amount that we will supply to Syria, in principle, does not bother the US and Israeli military. As well as our military do not care about "Patriots" in Jordan, Turkey,. For everything about everything - two hours. They are pissed off by the S-300 deployment area and personnel. If it is close to Tartus + Russian specialists: do what you want, but you cannot trample openly on Russia. Therefore, the wild screeching.
    1. S-200
      S-200 20 June 2013 09: 05 New
      +2
      If they didn’t care, then they would have done their dirty work long ago as in Libya ... And they do not care about the Security Council, as with Iraq! hi
    2. Airman
      Airman 20 June 2013 11: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: sapsan14
      The S-300, as an air defense system, in the amount that we will supply to Syria, in principle, does not bother the US and Israeli military. As well as our military do not care about "Patriots" in Jordan, Turkey,. For everything about everything - two hours. They are pissed off by the S-300 deployment area and personnel. If it is close to Tartus + Russian specialists: do what you want, but you cannot trample openly on Russia. Therefore, the wild screeching.


      In principle, and care! In the presence of the TOP, BEECH, Tungusok and Shell with the advent of the S-300, the ECHONIZED air defense system appears, include here the CUB and OCA-AK.
      I think that there are experts who will put everything right there.
  19. AVV
    AVV 20 June 2013 08: 38 New
    0
    Assad needs to be helped to upgrade his T-74 to a terminator, then there will be something to protect the 300s from attack from land !!! Yes, and in urban conditions they are so useful !!!
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 20 June 2013 13: 37 New
      +4
      Sorry, but the T-74 - what is this?
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 20 June 2013 18: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: Black Colonel
        Sorry, but the T-74 - what is this?

        Why are you dvoeshnikom from 3rd grade ask such questions?
        Do not.
  20. Galinanp
    Galinanp 20 June 2013 08: 57 New
    +3
    As far as I remember, not long ago Putin and Lavrov voiced the fact that Russia is supplying non-strategic weapons to Syria within the framework of agreements signed earlier. According to reports from Syria, it can be seen from the armored vehicles of the Syrian army that its fleet is being renewed. In terms of ammunition: the anti-sniper fight is being waged by tanks, "Shilkami", and from the video-episodes of hostilities it is clear that the Syrian army fighters are not constrained by the availability of ammunition. Aviation is not limited in combat use. This is only the visible part of the scale of Russian supplies.
    1. poquello
      poquello 20 June 2013 23: 55 New
      +1
      "In terms of ammunition: the anti-sniper fight is being waged by tanks, Shilkami, and the video footage of the fighting shows that the soldiers of the Syrian army are not constrained in the availability of ammunition. Aviation is not limited in combat use. This is only the part of the scale of Russian supplies that we can see."

      The visible part of Russian weapons. Amer has already gone to the feces demanding that Iraq cut off supplies to Assad. Why did you make a bogeyman from Russia and say that nobody helps Assad except Russia.
  21. deman73
    deman73 20 June 2013 09: 27 New
    +2
    We must help the Syrians with all we can
  22. faraon
    faraon 20 June 2013 09: 41 New
    -1
    Quote: seasoned
    First, there are almost more disadvantages than advantages, then Israeli pilots without combat training and, as an apotheosis, Americans are all in white with "tomahawks" ... It is clear that all this should be applied in a complex.
    If the S-300 were easy to suppress, there would not be such a howl around deliveries, but if they howl and go to Moscow to negotiate, then they are afraid. Do not forget about Iran, which stated that it would take the side of Syria, which means that anti-ship missiles and a mosquito fleet and missiles will be flown to US bases in the region. So not everything is so simple ... hi

    The author correctly showed in the article all that concerns 300 complexes they had to be installed earlier. Syria now needs small arms that. In Russia, it already explodes arbitrarily in warehouses. Now they (complexes) do not play the role for which they are intended. Yes and time lost. With regards to Iran, this is a double-edged sword, it’s also not sweet for him now. The West is crushing him and specifically. The fighters he will send is not a problem of money, it will also not be a problem. Well, everything will remain the same. As before, I wrote in his previous posts, this is Molotov-Ribentrop’s plan for dividing the world. But to put it more simply, it is a meat grinder that should grind Wahhabism and all the isms of the Muslim world. That is beneficial for both Russia and the States. so we watch the play where the author is the states and the director is Russia
    1. xan
      xan 20 June 2013 21: 01 New
      0
      Quote: faraon
      Which is beneficial to both Russia and the States. So we watch the play where the author of the states and the director is Russia

      too steep multi-move, from the series "do what is profitable, then you can explain any result how profitable for you", I think everything is much simpler
  23. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 20 June 2013 09: 42 New
    +2
    The main thing in the article is this: "The main thing is that a Wahhabite killed in Homs will never come to Nalchik or Ufa."
    And the more they die there, the cleaner it will be.
  24. Mhpv
    Mhpv 20 June 2013 11: 22 New
    +4
    Well, regarding the destruction by the Americans of C300, this is a difficult question, here I repeat the link to the differences.
    In general, if the petriots are in place, then they are the targets themselves, and if they are moved, they lose in deployment time and strict focus on the target, in contrast to the vertical launch of C300 in all directions.
    The fact that C300 needs more than one division is possible, but it’s time to learn how to fulfill its obligations under contracts, and not to gather dust on all kinds of forums like G8, otherwise so many can turn their back on us because of inconsistency.
    And the rest is complete agreement especially:
    but the Syrians also need the Kalashnikovs, RPG-7, T-72, D-30, BM-21, Mi-24, as well as ammunition for all this. Russia has infinitely many goods in the warehouses, therefore it can be delivered free of charge (all the same, all this is doomed to expedite disposal). And than it makes no sense to utilize ammunition by undermining (and sometimes at the cost of soldiers' lives), it is better to give them to Assad so that his army will utilize them in battle.
    Gold words. hi
  25. uhu189
    uhu189 20 June 2013 11: 25 New
    +2
    Actually, even before Israel bombed the Syrian military development center for the first time (even in winter), I heard many times from the media that there are C-300 in Syria (albeit not new modifications), along with shells and tori. After the bombing with impunity, they simply stopped talking about it. And then I have a question - it’s good, even if they were not there, but why the 2 times of the Israeli Air Force carried out with impunity the bombing of MILITARY installations in the interior of Syria (even if 50km from the border, but nonetheless) that they couldn’t stop - but they didn’t even give a warning to their troops ... And this despite the fact that it is alleged that Syrian air defense is the most saturated and layered in the region. Yes, I heard explanations that the raids were carried out at low altitudes by small groups from unexpected directions, that the Syria radar field was not deployed everywhere and was detecting planes from heights of several hundred meters, etc. But then I have one question - and if the west also begins to launch massive strikes on key targets at ultra-low altitudes by small groups of aircraft - will C-300 have time to get from Tartus to Damascus? And even if they succeed, will they be built into the air defense system, or will the system simply not exist, and will it be only local divisions that can be easily suppressed and destroyed without interacting with other parts of the air defense? If anyone can answer me these questions from experts - I will be very grateful.
    1. faraon
      faraon 20 June 2013 13: 55 New
      -3
      Well, here is no place to conduct a detailed analysis of all Israeli operations in Syrian airspace. In short, Israel has a powerful system for suppressing radio signals. When the reactor was bombed in Syria, Israeli television companies worked with such interference. From here and draw conclusions. As for the complexes, now it’s just a daunting toy and the political argument of Russia for the United States, although everyone understands that it’s practically impossible to deploy it now there is a civil war. It’s necessary to create an infrastructure that will take time. You put it right, you still need to integrate it into the air defense system. Which is not realistic. I’m sure they are already in Syria on the Russian Navy ships. But how to transport it across Syrian territory is a problem. I’m not even talking about its deployment. Yes and Assad understands this Syria needs offensive compact weapons. But knowing the Syrians their Levantine laziness. This becomes problematic war but prayer is holy 5 times a day. Look who conducts Hezbollah’s offensive operations, because. she is more prepared for battles in urban conditions.
      So unfortunately the S-300 complexes will not bring a turning point in the war. And the West knows about it.
      1. Timtom
        Timtom 20 June 2013 16: 54 New
        +2
        S-300 will not bring a turning point in the war? So they are not needed for this. On the contrary, the S-300 is needed to prevent a turning point in the war. And the west knows about it.
      2. uhu189
        uhu189 20 June 2013 18: 31 New
        +1
        Well then, an involuntary question arises - since Israel has such electronic warfare systems that they drowned out a sufficiently large corridor for the passage of its attack aircraft - what is the US afraid of then? Of course, it’s difficult for me to judge the situation in Syria, but of the crumbs of information that is available - there are simply no militants in either the vicinity of Tartus or Latakia - so at least they can be deployed there. If you wish, you can probably be taken under protection to Damascus, but this takes time, which may not be. Yes, and I remember when the satellite launched the satellite in North Korea, the Japanese Patriots deployed right in the city park ...
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 June 2013 20: 30 New
          0
          Because the whole question is that all this takes some effort. And there are never firm guarantees. This is for a start.

          And secondly, there is a chance of missiles falling into the hands of Hezbollah, Syrian militants or Iran. Which may have certain consequences for civil, say, airplanes.
          1. uhu189
            uhu189 20 June 2013 21: 10 New
            +1
            Some efforts are needed even for reconnaissance by drones and there can be no guarantees even when reconnaissance is somewhere in Somalia ...
            But does getting into the hands of ThorM1 fighters, or even just Shilok no longer bother anyone? Or are they not dangerous to civilian aircraft? Not a very version, to put it mildly, well, at least it seems to me so ...
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 20 June 2013 21: 21 New
              +1
              Confuses more than. But they do not have such a range.
          2. Kirgudum
            Kirgudum 21 June 2013 00: 33 New
            +1
            And secondly, there is a chance of missiles falling into the hands of Hezbollah, Syrian militants or Iran. Which may have certain consequences for civil, say, airplanes.

            Pimpled, why a circus, if you have such jokes?

            Tell me what a Hezbollah fighter or an amateur from Afghanistan can do to fight for the SSA, sitting in the cockpit of the most sophisticated equipment that takes at least a year to master - if there are appropriate teachers (who are NOT in Lebanon or Syria), provided that a person before that went to high school for at least eight years, and studied well? The correct answer is NOTHING. Well, he accidentally presses a couple of buttons, well, he turns on the radar by typing, well, he scratches his turnip when it gets jammed, and he won’t even guess that it’s time to work at other frequencies or at least get out of the cab and run until it arrives.
            This will not happen in Iran. But the question is - how much from Iran to Israel? One and a half thousand kilometers. You do not have a common border, how can the S-300 in Iran, to which you fly twenty minutes away, can threaten you? The answer is yes, nothing, unless you attack him. By the way, Iran, if desired, can shoot down civil aircraft today, its air defense and air force allows it to be done without any problems - "Hawk", S-200 "Vega", "Tor-M2E", which Iran has, will remove any aircraft within reach ... Only until now Iran has not shot down a single civilian plane, on the contrary - the United States destroyed a civilian Iranian plane with passengers.

            Consequently, all the arguments on the topic "if the C300 gets to Hezbollah, the FSA, Iran, something terrible will happen" - this is empty chatter, designed for fools who do not understand anything. And it's sad that you picked it up.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 21 June 2013 02: 29 New
              +1
              Well, for example, Hezbollah fighters have air defense units. They knocked out two ships with anti-ship missiles - the Hanit and, in my opinion, the Cambodian seiner. You are aware that Syria, for example, like Iran, provided Hezbollah not only with weapons, but also with instructors. So let's go without the circus.

              Hezbollah is an army. Full and highly effective. And do not run through the woods borarads with small arms.
  26. nelson
    nelson 20 June 2013 11: 27 New
    0
    And than it makes no sense to utilize ammunition by undermining (and sometimes at the cost of soldiers' lives), it is better to give them to Assad so that his army will utilize them in battle. Considering the latest incident near Samara and Chelyabinsk residents' constant complaints about the “shaking” of buildings as a result of the destruction of ammunition at the Chebarkul test site, it is a very sensible idea, and it will be cheaper, not to mention Syria’s help. Moreover, the West refused the embargo!
    1. S-200
      S-200 20 June 2013 13: 14 New
      +2
      I am not special in explosives, BUT disposal is necessary in order to NOT:
      1. At a minimum, failure.
      2. as a maximum - self-explosion, with all that it implies!
      QUESTION: And you will "present" SUCH ammunition to your fighting friend ??? If yes, then :
      1. At least your friendship will end ..
      2. As a maximum - your friend will be killed by your ammunition or unkilled by this ammunition - the enemy
      And soon you and your "ammunition" (tanks, missiles, etc.) will no longer be afraid of even ...
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 20 June 2013 15: 18 New
        +3
        Let's start by asking: who are the judges?
        In my opinion, there is such a soft otmazyvanie US from what is happening. The United States does not appear on the list of countries involved in the conflict. It is indicated that the States helped us in the fight against Wahhabism in two wars: in Afghanistan and Iraq. True, I still did not understand what was the help here, only drugs began to be produced dozens of times more in Afghanistan. I read several articles by Khramchikhin. Only a traitor can write this. For example, about what kind of states are kind and peaceful and we need to be friends with them against evil and aggressive China.
      2. Airman
        Airman 20 June 2013 17: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: S-200
        I am not special in explosives, BUT disposal is necessary in order to NOT:
        1. At a minimum, failure.
        2. as a maximum - self-explosion, with all that it implies!
        QUESTION: And you will "present" SUCH ammunition to your fighting friend ??? If yes, then :
        1. At least your friendship will end ..
        2. As a maximum - your friend will be killed by your ammunition or unkilled by this ammunition - the enemy
        And soon you and your "ammunition" (tanks, missiles, etc.) will no longer be afraid of even ...


        As a rule, missiles and ammunition arrive at the test site with "expiring" warranty periods, that is, they are suitable for use.
  27. Kirgudum
    Kirgudum 20 June 2013 11: 30 New
    +3
    At the same time, it is necessary to emphasize that the thesis, popular in Israel, about the danger of “three hundred” falling into the hands of terrorists is the embodiment of absurdity. Having captured C-300P, the terrorists can only blow it up on the spot, since they will not be able to carry out its maintenance and combat use, for which they obviously do not have enough qualifications (besides, maintenance is impossible without the participation of the manufacturer, that is, Russia). In addition, terrorists always seek secrecy of their actions. The S-300P ZRS is completely impossible to hide, since, as mentioned above, it consists of many huge machines. In addition, in combat conditions ZRS unmasks itself and on the air thanks to several powerful locators.
    - this is a very valuable phrase. And then the Israeli whining "we are afraid that the S-300 will be seized by terrorists" is already enough, well, the Israeli-supported terrorists do not have the skills to maintain complex equipment, they simply do not. If they manage to misuse the mortar, then what can we say about the most complex detection and control system, which takes at least six months to master - and this is in the presence of the appropriate education, which is somehow difficult to get in villages.
  28. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 20 June 2013 11: 57 New
    +5
    ... a Wahhabi who was killed in Homs will never come to Nalchik or Ufa ...
    ...and vice versa
  29. ale-x
    ale-x 20 June 2013 12: 25 New
    +2
    Exactly. Our "special guys" must work to identify and "write off" extreme hobbits before they leave the Russian Federation, because they have nothing to fertilize foreign arable lands, even if they improve black soil on the territory of the Russian Federation.
  30. goody
    goody 20 June 2013 13: 06 New
    0
    Quote: sasha.28blaga
    I already wrote that we in Syria kill our relatives, terrorists with the wrong hands, not very, but nice.

    Just class hi
  31. Tuzik
    Tuzik 20 June 2013 13: 11 New
    -1
    and the explosions of ammunition depots have long been used to cover supplies to tihushka, maybe 18 million shells that took off in the Samara region are already safely sailing to Syria?
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 20 June 2013 18: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Tuzik
      and the explosions of ammunition depots have long been used to cover supplies to tihushka, maybe 18 million shells that took off in the Samara region are already safely sailing to Syria?

      How old are you?
      Only honestly.
  32. dc120mm
    dc120mm 20 June 2013 13: 28 New
    0
    Logical insurance is described in the article. Thanks to the author. +++
  33. P-15
    P-15 20 June 2013 13: 44 New
    +4
    The third drawback is a very low rate of reloading PU, at least one hour. Moreover, even this value is purely theoretical, for its implementation it is necessary to have a TZM for each launcher and a spare ammunition for the position of the division. As a rule, there is neither one nor the other; therefore, the ZRS is in a sense “disposable.”

    When I was at the S-300, and it was in 84-86, we had 120 missiles in our ammunition reserve, not taking into account what was on the launchers (48) So our battalion commander said, if we hit all targets (maximum 6 ) We can assume that we have completed our task. We take personal weapons and go into the infantry. Since we will no longer have time to reload the launchers, the TZM for the entire division was actually only one. Well, although about charging one PU 1 hour it is necessary to get in so much. Our startups in an hour 2 PU charged
    1. Locksmith
      Locksmith 20 June 2013 15: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: P-15
      Our startups in an hour 2 PU charged

      If in wartime, then TPM is not needed, just all the ammunition missiles will be located on the launchers, if in peacetime, nothing interferes with driving a few more TPM from the technical division and slowly reloading empty "guns" not far from the position, arrived and left, business then. wink
      1. P-15
        P-15 20 June 2013 16: 16 New
        +5
        So they were already on 48 missile launchers for 12 launchers, and this is not in wartime. Just the reload process is actually a weak spot on the S-300. 2 PU per hour is if ZM with traverse. And if with the help of a crane-beam it is possible and faster, the truth is needed already not 2 people but 4 as you have to work with slings. And if the windy weather you yourself understand how these containers will swing. We in the Arctic were charged only with traverse, the wind always blows. Only in good weather with a crane beam but it was very rare.
        And the technical division was not very close to us.
        1. mark1
          mark1 20 June 2013 19: 42 New
          +2
          Well, all the same, 2 PU per hour - i.e. 1 in 30 minutes is not "an hour or even more" as Khramchikhin says. Now we are gradually approaching real indicators ...
          Those. in the presence of a sufficient number of charging machines and "Armor" you can shoot quite tolerably well.
          1. P-15
            P-15 20 June 2013 20: 57 New
            +1
            Can you imagine what kind of road train it will be?
            Let’s say the Division 12 PU, 12 ЗМ + 12 ТМ (ammunition must be transported for something, there are 4 containers on each ТМ) 1 car Antenna post + DCT, IEE now? F5 cab - one more machine. We had it all on huge towers 25 meters high. Add diesel and RPU. So imagine what the convoy turns out to be. Such a division needs a very powerful cover.
            But in general, the S-300 is a class. No PETRIOT is nearby.
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  35. Timtom
    Timtom 20 June 2013 14: 01 New
    +2
    Quote: Avenger711
    And the logic is that there can be stresses with air defense of the near zone. Quantity decides and it is necessary to build a system, and not just drag a couple of divisions. The same protection is also needed from helicopters, which can be used instead of shelling with tomahawks.

    Well, the helicopter has no chance of getting to the target if there are TOPs and Needles. We take a miniature anti-tank missile "Malyuta" and shoot 10 times at the position of Igla-S MANPADS. Each time, the operator of Igla-S, from his shoulder shoots a "Malyuta" flying in his direction. Due to the Igla-S proximity fuse, from 10 launches, 10 hits, into a miniature missile of the "Malyuta" type, reaching the target at an extremely low altitude and b] on a head-on course! [/ b]
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DmQ_tE0t5U

    A slow-flying and huge helicopter in comparison with the Malyuta, under such circumstances, there is simply no chance of passing through such an air defense system.
    Meanwhile, the effectiveness of the Needle-C mounted on the chassis and combined with a local or remote radar and an early warning system increases significantly, against launching from the operator’s shoulder, by purely visual contact with a low-flying target detected by the operator at the last moment.
    1. uhu189
      uhu189 20 June 2013 18: 49 New
      +1
      You know, once, while riding a tour bus in the Czech Republic in 2005, he witnessed how the F-16 worked out diving for ground targets (without a weapon, of course, only a maneuver). I’ll venture to suggest that he chose our bus as the target (as the largest object on the road), went on the side, the height was 50-100 meters somewhere, perpendicular to the road with a slight decrease. Well, then, I noticed him on the bus the very first one, looked in the direction from which he appeared (just a small point, which is growing rapidly in size), and noticed him just a second before he did with a roar like I did I suppose an anti-aircraft maneuver with a U-turn and a climb climbed off the road in the opposite direction. And at that moment I realized that it was unrealistic to defend against an assault strike - you will notice a plane only when it has launched rockets at you, and you won’t get it with any needle from your shoulder - you won’t have time, if only by chance
  36. Vtel
    Vtel 20 June 2013 14: 16 New
    0
    You can’t S-300, meaning you need to send S-400 to Syria to ensure parity.
  37. Egor.nic
    Egor.nic 20 June 2013 14: 35 New
    0
    Without extra tuftology - you need to fight the enemy on someone else's or his own territory - in this the author is absolutely right. Everything else is his opinion, even if something is wrong. If someone is really competent and knows more - correct him, if not, do not scratch.
  38. Timtom
    Timtom 20 June 2013 14: 39 New
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    Quote: mhpv
    Tim

    The Syrian army does not need outdated RPG-7s, but new RPG-32s:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP6MwwiMjFs
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv 20 June 2013 14: 58 New
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      I did not write anything about RPGs, what did you want to quote there? hi
  39. alan_07
    alan_07 20 June 2013 15: 28 New
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    Quote: mhpv
    The main thing is that the Wahhabi who was killed in Homs will never come to Nalchik or Ufa.

    We have in Nalchik these ye..kov enough (.
    There is information that the bodies of militants (at least 10) who participated in the battles in Syria were brought to the Caucasus, this suggests that they offered more money than here, they hide behind Islam because of money, and not faith, which will lead everyone to hell, where is the road to them?
  40. silver_roman
    silver_roman 20 June 2013 16: 09 New
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    Article plus. That's right, but there are a couple of points that I will comment on below:
    However, the strongest ideological reticence does not allow the West to face facts.


    It is not a matter of ideology or blindness, misunderstanding of the situation or dull naivety; here there is a place to be dry, rude and pragmatic calculation. This is a turn-based strategy, you could even say so. It is from this point of view that you need to evaluate this situation (IMHO), because there is no place for pity or sympathy for the West. It needs to be crushed as it is now crushing the Syrian people.
    The West has created such a war machine that it is now extremely difficult to control it. Each military man represents many hundreds of thousands of dollars that are wedged into a budget deficit that has grown to disgrace. And here again, it’s not a matter of military equipment (although it is also in it), but the matter is also in all the social packages that Yues Marins receive during and after service in the army. Therefore, it is much easier to equip monkeys with Kalash and give a piece of sugar for hitting a target than spending billions only on air conditioners in barracks in Iraq!

    True, there is such a specific way of pressure on our top officials as blackmail, on the availability of accounts and real estate in this very West. But there are no comments.

    It is for this that Putin is taking certain actions to remove these same traitors from power. It seems that a person in the Russian Federation cannot become an official if he has a foreign account. Such a law has either been adopted or will be adopted soon. And all in order to strengthen our sovereignty! so the guys from the swamp can safely crash on the asphalt.
    1. S-200
      S-200 20 June 2013 19: 03 New
      +1
      I agree with you ... hi Power and money behind a democratic screen rule in this harsh and pragmatic world.
  41. Pimply
    Pimply 20 June 2013 16: 09 New
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    Khramchikhin in his repertoire.

    Hezbollah and Iran are excluded from the equation as potential sources of S-300.

    Excluded any attack options except air.

    The experience of Israeli pilots in overcoming Syrian air defense (destruction of the reactor in 2008, for example, or a flight over Assad’s palace, overcoming air defense this year, etc.) is excluded.
    1. Black
      Black 20 June 2013 16: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Pimply
      Khramchikhin in his repertoire

      And plus him for that.
      Quote: Pimply
      Israeli pilots experience in overcoming Syrian air defense is excluded

      Was Syrian air defense willing to open fire? Did they have S-300?

      Khramchikhin is right in diagnosing some kind of Kremlin indecision - we will deliver, we will not deliver. Have a swing. and the diagnosis is accurate - Bonz assets abroad.
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 20 June 2013 20: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: Pimply
      destruction of the reactor in 2008, for example, or a flight over Assad’s palace, overcoming air defense this year, etc.).

      Yes, fly someday. Anyway...
  42. MaKeNa
    MaKeNa 20 June 2013 16: 38 New
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    And what kind of people are we, all the habya and the hai! There are Americans, they are always in chocolate! I think that if the game went like this. then ours are not fools either. Nobody will expose the S-300 to attack, certainly COVER! And if you take into account the fate of Libya, you need to prepare for a guerrilla warfare, and there are options, and there is experience in ambush operations, and there are air defense systems without radars (I see the goal - I launch a rocket, I run away myself).
    And the West is bluffing because it realizes that the Libyan version will not work in Syria, but what will be and how it does not represent, but he understands that it will be an impressive rebuff. So we act in the same spirit-Syria to help EVERYTHING WE CAN, and Assad not to surrender! But Pasaran! They will not pass!
  43. Rus2012
    Rus2012 20 June 2013 16: 39 New
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    Colleagues, Khramchikhin, of course, is a distinguished "expert" ...

    In addition to the S300P (actually the air defense forces of the country), there is also the S300B (military, more maneuverable) -
    The S-300В Antey-300 anti-aircraft missile system (GRAU MO index - 9К81) is not part of the S-300 PT / PS / PMU / F family of air defense systems. In fact, it is a separate development of another design bureau. Designed for anti-aircraft missile units of the Ground Forces of the Soviet Army. It was in service with anti-aircraft missile brigades of district subordination.

    Organizational represents a single air defense missile division comprising para combat 9S457 control one radar Omnidirection 9S15MT (B), a radar sector review 9S19M2 (in C-300V2 modification to increase the ability to detect ballistic targets instead of circular scanning radar 9S15M used synchronized over fiber optical cable, two 9С19М2 radars), three multi-channel MSNR missile guidance stations 9С32, 6 self-propelled launchers 9А82 (for missiles 9М82), 6 self-propelled launchers tanovok 9A83 (for ZUR 9M83), 3 propelled start-charging installation 9A84 (9M82 missile to maneuver) and the start-propelled 3 charging installation 9A85 (9M83 missile to maneuver). Additional tools included in the system include 9В878, 9В879, 1Р15 maintenance machines, and the 9Ф88 training complex. C-300B group facilities (as part of the anti-aircraft missile brigade) include 9Т82 missile transportation means, rigging kits, maintenance and repair vehicles 1Р14, 1Р16, 9В898, and a group of 9ТXN spare parts. The C-447В anti-aircraft missile system provides detection at a range of up to 300 km and simultaneous firing of up to 300 (by the number of launchers) air targets (aircraft, helicopters, cruise and ballistic missiles) at a range of up to 12 km with 100М9 missiles and up to 82 km with 75NXNNMX missiles.
    [img] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/S-300V.jpg?uselang=en [/ i
    mg]
  44. Timtom
    Timtom 20 June 2013 17: 06 New
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    Quote: mhpv
    RPG

    I don’t know who the author of the phrase is, but about RPG-7 it was taken from here:
    MCHPV (1) SU Today, 11:22
    Quote: "but the Syrians also need Kalashnikovs, RPG-7, T-72, D-30, BM-21, Mi-24, as well as ammunition for all this."

    By the way, RPG-7, if with new ammunition, is also a great thing. According to Discovery, it is in 5th place in the top ten best weapons in the world.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 20 June 2013 20: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: TimTom
      By the way, RPG-7, if with new ammunition, is also a great thing. According to Discovery, it is in 5th place in the top ten best weapons in the world.


      [media = http: // http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = quMZq02SbCI & feature = player_detailpa
      ge]

      And in the first place, according to the version of discovery, apparently those rackets that Chuck Norris releases into the enemies of democracy from the exhaust pipes of a motorcycle, on which he rushes like mad. lol
      1. Timtom
        Timtom 22 June 2013 18: 43 New
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        Regardless of Discovery's opinion, the RPG-7 is a truly unique weapon that forever changed the landscape of all military conflicts.
        If you knew how many Abrams were shot down precisely from RPG-7 and it was an old warhead, you would not consider this weapon an element of art cinema.
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  46. Moon
    Moon 20 June 2013 17: 43 New
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    I don’t know, but I liked it

    http://www.imperiya.by/news.html?id=112171
  47. nnz226
    nnz226 20 June 2013 18: 03 New
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    Well, initially it was believed that the S-300 is not a "thing in itself" and "Armor" was created to cover the deployment areas of long-range missile divisions, because you cannot launch a missile that demolishes a target 150-200 km away from the shoulder like " Igloo ". And there are "Shells" in Syria, and they can fight the "Tomahawks" too. So the expenditure of the Kyrgyz Republic and money from the United States in an attempt to suppress the air defense of Syria with the presence of the S-300 will be agro ...
  48. duchy
    duchy 20 June 2013 18: 11 New
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    Hello everyone! hi The article put a plus for the "enticement". We started with nanotechnology and switched over to Wahhabis. We noticed that earlier the enemy was the USA and NATO. now from religion. Cool, the enemy is another other friends. fellow
  49. petr197108
    petr197108 20 June 2013 18: 56 New
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    Hello everyone! I have this thought come to mind. So far, our people are thinking whether to send or not to Syria
    S-300 or not, you need to supply inflatable mock-ups of this installation there, and there are some, deploy according to all the rules, and there time will tell. Let some scratch their turnips!
    1. Timtom
      Timtom 22 June 2013 18: 45 New
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      A very good thought! I support 100%.
  50. pensioner
    pensioner 20 June 2013 20: 02 New
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    Having captured the S-300P, terrorists can only blow it up on the spot, because they will not be able to carry out its technical maintenance and combat use, for this they obviously will not have enough qualifications (in addition, maintenance is impossible without the participation of the manufacturer, that is, Russia).
    Absolutely true !! +