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Deputies found a solution to the issues of uncontrolled migration?

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According to the latest data submitted by State Duma deputies, in 2012, 15,88 million foreign nationals entered Russia from various foreign countries (primarily from the near abroad), of which only 1,34 million received official work permits. The same lawmakers declare that the real number of foreign citizens who are engaged in illegal labor activities in the territory of the Russian Federation can reach 7 million people. As a result of last year alone, more than 35 billion rubles were spent from the state budget for the deportation of illegal immigrants from Russia (and only about 1,2 of thousands of people were caught.)


Deportation money from the budget of the Russian Federation goes not only to purchase tickets for illegal immigrants to the house, but also to establish their personalities, issue numerous protocols, accompanying and entering into a special database relating to the registration of persons with foreign citizenship in our country.

The 35 of thousands of seven million deported amid the voiced seven million is somehow unintelligible, and also eloquently shows how weak our legislation allows us to regulate migration flows - at least those that are sent to Russia from abroad.

The weakness of the legislation was attended by the deputies Sergey Zhigarev (LDPR faction) and Aleksey Zhuravlev (United Russia faction), who decided to urgently correct the situation with the help of new amendments to two laws at once: "On the procedure for leaving the Russian Federation and entering the Russian Federation" and " On the legal status of foreign citizens in the Russian Federation. " The essence of the amendments is to oblige foreign citizens entering the territory of Russia from countries with which we have a visa-free regime to issue a so-called migration bill at the entrance. Registration will not be free. The cost of the bill Zhigarev and Zhuravlev is determined within the average cost of deportation of one illegal migrant - about 30 thousand rubles.

In other words, the deputies of the Lower House are proposing to all citizens, without exception, arriving in Russia, for example, Uzbekistan or Tajikistan, to buy a bill of about one thousand dollars; bill that can be used to pay for the possible deportation of these same citizens, if they will engage in illegal labor activities. The sale of such bills, according to the mentioned deputies from the LDPR faction and United Russia, will bring into the state budget as much 225 billion rubles, and in addition also reduce the criminality caused by the stay of illegal immigrants from foreign countries in the Russian Federation. The deputies argue that if a foreign citizen arriving in Russia leads a, let's say, legal way of life, then on returning these 30 thousand will be returned to him.

After getting acquainted with the amendments that the said deputies are proposing to accept, frankly, the question arises of what kind of world Alexei Zhuravlev and Sergey Zhigarev live in ... If they claim that they live in an objective reality, then they can definitely be doubted. The fact is that the proposed amendments are already a priori divorced from the conditions of the very reality mentioned above. Why? Here are a few facts.

Fact one. It is difficult to imagine a situation in which a person entering Russia in a Dushanbe-Moscow train on the third shelf would have the opportunity to get thousands of rubles from an 30 wallet and post them for a bill of exchange to pay for his deportation. Well, even if we assume that a certain Farukh from the outskirts of Kulyab somehow collected the required amount at home and went with her to Moscow, would he give a lot of money for a Tajik citizen (and for many Russian citizens, by the way, too) money for the purchase of some strange paper. Does he need it? .. Not for that, he climbed onto the third shelf ...

Fact two. The position itself, which can oblige foreign citizens entering Russia without visas, to acquire an 30-thousand bill of value, is strange. The fact is that if a migrant purchased such a bill, is it worth it to be considered illegal after that? Obviously not. What kind of illegal he is, if he bought himself a paper that imposes certain obligations on him ... And if he is not illegal, it means that the Russian treasury will still have to give him the money spent on the purchase of a bill of exchange. And where will these 225 billion rubles for the Russian budget come from? Or first they will take, and then they will have to give back. Hmm ... where's the logic?

The fact that a third. Do millions of foreigners go to Russia to turn into illegal immigrants to pay the Russian state some money? The answer is simple: no! They and with amendments in the form of introduction of rules for the purchase of immigration notes will try to circumvent these rules.

Fact Four. Where will these bills be sold? Is it possible at railway stations when entering Russia or at Russian airports in the arrival sectors ... If so, then the question arises: what to do with a person who says that he simply does not have the necessary amount to buy a bill? In this case, he will either have to be sent back again at public expense, or he may be let in to Russia, having believed in the word that he, as soon as 30 thousand is earned, will buy the bill at once. To believe a word of, say, thousands in five ...

And, perhaps, bills will be sold at stations (stations, airports) of departure to Russia or at Russian embassies and consulates, so then what this bill (if not to count the cost) will differ from the introduction of the visa regime. If the deputies decided to introduce a visa regime with the same Central Asian states, then it would be quite understandable, and so - why make a strange garden, trying to change the concept of a visa with the word “bill of exchange”. And again, at whose expense the deportation will be carried out, if the same average Farukh from Kulyab decides to roll to Russia, and at the border control declare that the bill, "I swear by my mom", is lost on the road ... Or there is hope for incorruptible Tajik border guards and customs? ..

The fact of the fifth. Interestingly, what would the deputies of Zhigarev and Zhuravlev say if they were asked to buy some paper that would guarantee the legality of their presence in the country for the same 1000 USD when entering one of the “visa-free” countries? They say that you will now pay us, and then we will give you back if you keep yourself well with us ... Some strange international relations, isn’t it. It seems to be without a visa, but at the same time, the entrance fee. Attraction, and only.
One thing is a visa - a legitimate document that is legally recognized, and another thing - some derivative visas, creating new prerequisites for corruption.

The fact of the sixth. How to deal with the citizens of the states belonging to the Customs Union? Obviously, the effect of the amendments should not apply to them, but only about this speech, for some reason, until it goes ... Or, we will also start charging money from Belarusians for entering Russia. So daddy will not understand us then.

The fact of the seventh. Let the migrant try, after buying a bill and staying a certain time in Russia, to prove that he worked legally. After all, certain structures will have a clear interest in not returning the money to him when going back.

But if these amendments have so many pitfalls, will they start working? It is highly likely that they will only breed new corruption groups and lead to the emergence of new fraudulent schemes - moreover on the part of our officials at various levels. There are a lot of people who want to heat up their hands on these bills.
With the same success, you can be obliged to buy bills (indulgences), for example, corrupt officials: you bought a bill for 1 million rubles - you can take bribes for this amount. If you did not take it, then the state will return the money to you ...

And if so, then you just have to sit down and think: a visa or not a visa. If not, and not the other, then you get a fabulous Tyani-Push, and it's good if you have two heads ...
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  1. fzr1000
    fzr1000 19 June 2013 09: 08 New
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    Introduce visa regime and entry only for international passports. The fine from the employer is 1 million rubles. For one migrant. All departmental expenses are also at the expense of the employer. Prohibition of entry to the offender for 5 years. Migrants will sharply decrease.
    1. Denis
      Denis 19 June 2013 09: 16 New
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      Quote: fzr1000
      Migrants will sharply decrease
      That's hard ...
      How many "chosen ones" have their own construction and other firms where gastric workers work?
      1. Sergey_K
        Sergey_K 19 June 2013 10: 43 New
        13
        At the current level of corruption, any projects are dead even before implementation.
        1. smile
          smile 19 June 2013 18: 31 New
          +2
          Sergey_K
          Yeah, let's not do anything, the excuse is magnificent. Similar and even more current levels of corruption do not force other countries to paw. and their citizens moan. that everything is bad with them and in general. they are the worst in the world. It is only we who have such a layer of the population.
          1. Karabu
            Karabu 19 June 2013 20: 07 New
            +1
            I am afraid that Russia has no other choice but to become a national state. or remain faceless radiance and creep in the foreseeable future like a rotten patchwork quilt
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 19 June 2013 20: 41 New
              -3
              Quote: Karabu
              I am afraid that Russia has no other choice but to become a national state.


              it's like?
              expand what you mean.
              1. Karabu
                Karabu 19 June 2013 20: 58 New
                +1
                Quote: Karlsonn

                it's like?
                expand what you mean.


                I don’t understand what is there to chew
                a country must be built in the interests of the national majority. so in Russia it was and it should be so
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 20 June 2013 02: 07 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Karabu
                  I don’t understand what is there to chew


                  everything from the very beginning.


                  Quote: Karabu
                  a country must be built in the interests of the national majority.


                  That is, national inequality of citizens?
                  How do you explain and justify the defeat of their constitutional rights to Russian citizens of non-Russian nationality?
                  How do your views differ from fascist ideology?


                  Quote: Karabu
                  so in Russia it was and it should be so


                  Excuse me, are you Russian? And that ignorance of the history of Russia is doubtful.
        2. Pharao7766
          Pharao7766 20 June 2013 14: 50 New
          0
          Return the articles of execution and all. For economic crimes, by the way, too.
          And most importantly, use them!
      2. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 19 June 2013 11: 31 New
        +4

        The first fact. It is difficult to imagine a situation in which a person entering Russia in a Dushanbe-Moscow train carriage on the third shelf would be able to get 30 thousand rubles from his wallet and put them out for a bill,

        The author is essentially juggling. The employer who invited the guest worker is just in a position to make such an amount that will be returned to him at the end.
        But just after all, a big bastard will come to illegal!


        The third fact. Are millions of foreign citizens coming to Russia turning into illegal immigrants in order to pay the Russian state any money? The answer is simple: no! They, as amended in the form of introducing rules for the purchase of migratory bills, will try to circumvent these rules.

        But for this you should introduce CRIMINAL liability.
        He does not want to make money legally, let him work for soldering for the good of Russia in places not so remote.




        The sixth fact. What to do with the citizens of states belonging to the Customs Union? Obviously, the amendments should not apply to them, but for some reason, for the time being, they’re not talking ... Or, from Belarusians, we’ll start to take money for entering Russia. So father will definitely not understand us then.

        To start, let them introduce for those countries that are not members of the customs union.
        1. Hon
          Hon 19 June 2013 13: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: GreatRussia
          The author is essentially juggling. The employer who invited the guest worker is just in a position to make such an amount that will be returned to him at the end.
          But just after all, a big bastard will come to illegal!

          If a guest worker was invited and he works officially, then he is not a priori illegal, in which case he cannot be deported. And if the employer hires illegal immigrants, for which he faces a rather big fine, then from which badun he will go to buy this certificate? He had already broken the law by hiring them.
        2. fzr1000
          fzr1000 19 June 2013 14: 09 New
          +5
          Yes, Tajiks and Kyrgyz (or on the way there) enter the customs union. Only there are no Uzbeks. It is necessary to introduce a different principle. Ukrainians, Belarusians (well, these conditions are the sweetest) and Kazakhs have free access. The rest is not. And then we wonder why the Wahhabi circles in Magadan or Yakutia come from. But all these circles should not be expelled, but immediately judged for extremism and sent to work in Siberia. Brains cleanse fresh air and labor well.
      3. Alekseev
        Alekseev 19 June 2013 21: 50 New
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        Everything is complicated with us! wassat
        But there is no other way than what fzr1000 suggested suggested.
    2. Warrawar
      Warrawar 19 June 2013 09: 26 New
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      Such hedgehog measures are useless. It can turn out according to the principle "The rigidity of laws is compensated by their non-execution", in which case we will get the opposite effect.
      It is quite enough to build a clear migration and labor policy, with a set of punitive measures in relation to violators (both from the side of illegal immigrants and from those interested in them), with the main principle: the obligation to comply with the law applies to all and violators will inevitably (and be proportionate to the severity crimes) retribution.
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 19 June 2013 09: 40 New
        +7
        But I don’t offer anything hard. Economic and migration sanctions and all.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 19 June 2013 11: 02 New
          +5
          nothing tough? then maybe you need to list the countries to which it applies? otherwise everyone is screaming Russia-Belarus-Ukraine brothers, but they want to enter visas right there. Everyone for the CU and CSTO but for the introduction of visas wants to be in Tajikistan but for the introduction of visas. what, do you really think it’s possible to play with one goal? You probably can’t imagine how many relatives live on opposite sides of the borders. And in order to go to a brother’s city 80 km away (to Kazakhstan or Belarus) you need a visa? This will not happen. And it’s very cool that today there are no such problems.
          if you are so principled, then call a spade a spade. this is our brother Slav, come on in, and this black log, pay and come on
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar 19 June 2013 11: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: Gleb
            then maybe you need to list the countries to which this applies?

            Without exception, all the countries of Central Asia.
          2. Warrawar
            Warrawar 19 June 2013 11: 17 New
            0
            Quote: Gleb
            . All for the CU and CSTO but for the introduction of visas. I want to be in Tajikistan but for the introduction of visas. What, do you really think you can play with one goal?

            At the moment they play in the "one gate" but with us.
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 19 June 2013 11: 28 New
              +2
              who plays with us? corrupt at the FMS? bribe takers? TS who are more profitable? Kazakhs are overpowering you? They don’t bother me even in the border region. Can we arrange problems for ourselves? Who isn’t favored in the capital most? which visas do you introduce?
              1. Warrawar
                Warrawar 19 June 2013 11: 35 New
                +4
                Quote: Gleb
                who is playing with us? Who is more profitable for the TC? Are the Kazakhs overpowering you? They don’t even bother me in the border region. Can we arrange problems for ourselves? Who isn’t the most favored in the capital - dag and Czechs, no?

                You have porridge in your head.
                There are very serious problems with migrants in Russia, all political leaders (including the President and the Patriarch) have already announced this.
                Crime goes off scale - drive in any search engine "migrants crime", there are just reports from the battlefields.
                With the countries of Central Asia, a strict visa regime. Tajikistan, for example, borders with Afghanistan and its border is not controlled in any way; as a rule, we have a visa-free regime with Afghanistan. And Afghanistan, as you know, is a hotbed of Islamic extremism / fascism / chauvinism and drugs, and all this is exported to us directly.
                And Kazakhstan also has a stigma in the cannon, they pass through the Afghan-Tajik traffic and do not obstruct it.
                And they play with us at the same gate, because even such a small bipod as Tajikistan has good profits from us and still manages to twist our eggs.
                1. Hleb
                  Hleb 19 June 2013 11: 47 New
                  +1
                  why not sawdust? you can rely on the words of Zhirinovsky and the Patriarch. I have no problems with the Tajiks and the Kazakhs in Siberia (I will expel the Chinese, I won’t be against), but the real problems with the visa regime will begin. Every day thousands of people cross border and there and back. and basically study and travel to relatives. it’s you who live on the search engine, but I judge according to the real situation. Once again, Caucasian chaos in the country, how will you decide? From this perspective, look at the Central Asians. Here and the answer
                  1. Warrawar
                    Warrawar 19 June 2013 12: 28 New
                    +1
                    It’s hard to argue with Asiopians) Don’t feed them bread - let them bring 10 million Asians into the country (to relatives and to study). And what arguments do not bring, they say-vyvesesurkovskaya propaganda. Russian and Tajik are brothers forever, even if the Tajik agent “Hizbul-Tahrir" does not understand a word in Russian.
                    I judge by what I see every day on the streets of my city and by news reports and eyewitness accounts.
                  2. fzr1000
                    fzr1000 19 June 2013 13: 06 New
                    +2
                    In Siberia, you simply don’t have Tajiks or Kyrgyzzovuzbeks, or their number is too small compared to the European part of Russia.
                    1. Hleb
                      Hleb 19 June 2013 17: 48 New
                      +1
                      I agree. we don’t have so many (and far from easy). for that there are more Kazakhs than in the European part and we live without problems .. and that’s why it bothers me why I have to infringe on my freedom to see my relatives, homeland, because Muscovites (and characters like Warrawar) don’t have the courage to respond to the rudeness of the newcomers. we have old-school people in Siberia who can be called truly Russian. and there will be no Caucasian lawlessness. and these people decided to hide behind visas. for such Russians. they and in the army, instead of breaking the bones of unchallengers, they are discussing new laws on the taming of Caucasians in the army on the Internet. At the same time, they even forgot about the relatives who remained abroad because of fear. If you protect yourself, you cannot solve this problem. they and the Caucasus will soon be imposed with visas. then Bashkortostan, Kazan, Kalmykia, Buryatia .......
                      1. fzr1000
                        fzr1000 19 June 2013 17: 58 New
                        +2
                        Muscovites and residents of large cities in general are much more divided than residents of small towns and villages. Specificity. Plus, in Moscow we have migrants and people with disabilities (especially young, greyhounds and not always adequate) who move in packs, they have a hobby to find such an adventure. With one, two, I can figure it out, but with a lot of it, it will work out, but most likely not. But the two of them do not vomit.
              2. mark7
                mark7 19 June 2013 16: 41 New
                0
                you yourself answered your question above, yes, the bulk want to live with their own kind, the law of nature is such
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 19 June 2013 17: 23 New
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                  Quote: mark7
                  you yourself answered your question above, yes, the bulk want to live with their own kind, the law of nature is such


                  I have a neighbor from Pakistan - a normal man good
                  and to me personally what color is the skin of the neighbors, eyes, hair — if they don’t sweep away to clean the general premises and change the bulbs.
                  about the law of nature - did not hear. hi
          3. Warrawar
            Warrawar 19 June 2013 11: 20 New
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            Quote: Gleb
            You probably can’t imagine how many relatives live on opposite sides of the borders. And in order to go to a brother’s city in 80 km (to Kazakhstan or Belarus) do you need a visa?

            We are not talking about the visa regime with Belarus; we have generally signed a “union state” with them.
            But with Tajikistan, a strict visa regime is needed (regardless of whether it is a member of the CSTO or not). And it is advisable to take out the remaining ethnic Russians from there and provide them with citizenship, housing and work.
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 19 June 2013 11: 32 New
              +3
              signed "union state"
              Exactly the same regulations as with Kazakhstan. They will introduce visas with Tajikistan and then look at the conditions for the presence of our base there.
              1. Warrawar
                Warrawar 19 June 2013 11: 44 New
                +2
                Quote: Gleb
                signed "union state"
                Exactly the same regulations as with Kazakhstan. They will introduce visas with Tajikistan and then look at the conditions for the presence of our base there.

                That’s what I’m talking about “one-way game”. Tajikistan has a very good approach - we will bring millions of illegal immigrants, tons of drugs, criminals, Islamic extremist fascists to you and export currency, and if you do something to us, we will close the base for you. This is called egg-twisting. And this is a sign of the weakness and inferiority of Russia's foreign policy.
                For an example - think .... The USA has bases around the world, including Afghanistan. Now answer for yourself, “Does the US have a visa-free regime with Afghanistan”? No, of course not .... And why should Russia be different, why should the presence of a military base somewhere mean the absence of a visa regime and complete migration of lawlessness?
                1. Hleb
                  Hleb 19 June 2013 11: 59 New
                  +1
                  Now answer for yourself, “Does the US have a visa-free regime with Afghanistan”?
                  and did the USA live with Kazakhstan, Tajikistan in ONE state? so who has the mess in your head ??? do you finally want to disperse everyone in the district? this is what the USA wants.
                  and if you are so naive that you think you can stop the flow of drugs with visas, there’s nothing more to talk about to us. those who go to work do not even import 1 percent from the main flow. immigration and criminal police, compliance with laws is where the main problem is. All problems with Tajiks could be solved in a week without visas and legally. but ...
                  1. Warrawar
                    Warrawar 19 June 2013 12: 11 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Gleb
                    Now answer for yourself, “Does the US have a visa-free regime with Afghanistan”?
                    did the USA live with Kazakhstan, Tajikistan in ONE state? so who has the mess in your head ??? do you finally want to disperse everyone in the district? this is what the USA wants.
                    and if you are so naive that you think you can stop the flow of drugs with visas, there’s nothing more to talk to us. those who go to work do not even import 1 percent from the main flow. immigration and criminal police, compliance with laws is where the main problem.

                    There really is nothing to say. For reference, 99% of drugs come to Russia from Afghanistan, through shuttles from Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, which cross the border dozens of times a year, because we have a "visa-free" regime.
                    By the way, here is D. Rogozin’s recent raid on one of the flights from Tajikistan
                    http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/230897
                    He also says the same thing, apparently he is also a naive person.
                    By the way, at the expense of "lived in one country." After the collapse of the USSR, Russians were subjected to genocide in many "fraternal republics" including Tajikistan.
                    1. Hleb
                      Hleb 19 June 2013 18: 10 New
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                      you can’t even imagine these “shuttles” who drag drugs to Russia ... or have you been to Tajikistan?
                      But are cocaines and synthetics imported from Europe today from Europe? Have they saved visas from Europe and Latin America?
                      and do not talk about genocide in the same Kazakhstan, do not lie.
                      the collapse of the USSR is a tragedy for millions of people. and you are collecting speculations about genocide, although you didn’t live there.
                2. Denis
                  Denis 19 June 2013 15: 42 New
                  +2
                  Э
                  Quote: Warrawar
                  and if you do something to us, then we will close the base for you
                  These are just conversations. Anyone who knows the situation understands that if Rakhmon leaves the 201st Division, he will not sit there for more than a day, more than six hours.
          4. fzr1000
            fzr1000 19 June 2013 11: 26 New
            +1
            Naturally, I am talking, first of all, about the Central Asians, Chinese and other "southerners".
      2. Sergey_K
        Sergey_K 19 June 2013 10: 45 New
        0
        You will be mined. Do you know why?
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 19 June 2013 11: 22 New
          0
          Quote: Sergey_K
          You will be mined. Do you know why?

          Because they didn’t figure out what I’m talking about.
          1. Sergey_K
            Sergey_K 19 June 2013 14: 59 New
            +1
            Absolutely right. All on emotions and without brains - as in the Duma straight))
      3. Skiff
        Skiff 19 June 2013 10: 46 New
        +4
        So it’s a no brainer that 30.000 rubles is a barrier to rams, even if they are traveling then they are more or less wealthy and educated, and not those who have a one-way ticket and a white bag in the ass.
        And then straight races were listed by facts and laws, there is nothing to do here, HOME all HOME.
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      4. denisey
        denisey 19 June 2013 11: 43 New
        +1
        You forgot one thing, “BUT” while it’s profitable for the elite-clan groups at the moment, this is not possible.
    3. denisey
      denisey 19 June 2013 11: 28 New
      0
      Quote: fzr1000
      Prohibition of entry to the offender for 5 years.

      You will not believe it, dear fzr1000, when asked about the fact that he (a labor migrant) will not go to Russia for 5 years, almost everyone calls about $ 1000 and a new one is provided with the name of his wife, mother, grandmother.
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 19 June 2013 14: 15 New
        +1
        There are biometric passports, it is not so easy to do. I do not work in the government, but I am sure that, if desired, a code of laws and instructions for their implementation and measures of responsibility for their failure can be prepared in a month. It is enough to introduce a measure of punishment for migrants for illegally staying on the territory of the Russian Federation not by expulsion, but by punishment by forced labor in the North from 1 year, as many of them think about where to go to earn money.
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    5. Hon
      Hon 19 June 2013 13: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: fzr1000
      The fine from the employer is 1 million rubles. For one migrant.

      So already entered and there is no sense
      For illegal involvement in work of “illegal immigrants” who do not have a work permit, a citizen can be fined from 2 to 5 thousand rubles, an organization - 250 - 800 thousand rubles, and its officials - 25 - 50 thousand rubles. According to article 18.15 of the Code of Administrative Offenses, if the employer has not notified the migration service that he has hired a foreigner, the company can be fined 400-800 thousand rubles, and its officials - 35-50 thousand rubles.

      For involving an illegal immigrant in trading activities or providing him with a trading place, a fine of 350-800 thousand rubles is provided for individual entrepreneurs, 450 thousand - 800 thousand rubles for organizations, and 45-50 thousand rubles for its officials (Article 18.16 of the Code of Administrative Offenses).

      As follows from article 18.17, for violation of the labor rights of foreigners, fines of 2 to 4 thousand rubles are provided for citizens, organizations from 800 to 1 million rubles, and officials - 45 to 50 thousand rubles. In addition, for each of the listed violations the organization may face a temporary suspension of activity for up to 90 days.

      As for the punishments for the “illegal immigrants” themselves, for submitting false information about themselves to the migration service, they can be fined 2-5 thousand rubles and deported to their homeland. If the organization has provided fake documents to a foreigner, a fine of 350 to 800 thousand rubles may be imposed on it.
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 19 June 2013 14: 18 New
        +2
        Then close the business if caught a second time or if more than 10 people work illegally. By the way, without a real reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it is almost impossible to fight illegal immigrants. So the problem is complex. This is clearer than clear.
    6. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 19 June 2013 15: 30 New
      0
      I agree. Because we have a lot of migrants because of the greed of our businessmen. It is necessary to make migrant labor not profitable for them, then everything will change.
    7. mark7
      mark7 19 June 2013 16: 31 New
      0
      I agree, you can’t imagine better +
    8. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 19 June 2013 21: 28 New
      0
      That's right, say it right, but it is on the one hand, and on the other hand. Where will you find this employer?
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  3. Flying Dutchman
    Flying Dutchman 19 June 2013 09: 17 New
    10
    Yes, in this bl @ dskoy Duma only Berkova and Sasha Gray are not enough for a complete set
    1. Santa bear
      Santa bear 19 June 2013 10: 47 New
      +1
      Well, at least in something professionals will appear. but in general it’s not necessary to insult Sasha Gray with such offers, she will never sink to SUCH bl @ dstva.
    2. Denis
      Denis 19 June 2013 15: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: Flying Dutchman
      Yes, in this bl @ dskoy Duma only Berkova and Sasha Gray are not enough
      Figures of "cinema" there and since the dirt ...
      Let these funny films continue to be filmed
  4. Warrawar
    Warrawar 19 June 2013 09: 18 New
    +7
    Our civilization repeats the unenviable fate of Rome - all these migrants from the countries of Central Asia are nothing but the hordes of barbarians who later destroyed it.
  5. domokl
    domokl 19 June 2013 09: 19 New
    14
    It seems that not only deputies need their people as a cash cow, but the rest as well. It is always easier for a person to crush than a state or a state structure.
    Not a damn thing will happen until slavery is profitable for the business. Have many organizations and businessmen paid not a small tax for using illegal immigrants? They catch a Tajik, he pays his hard-earned 2000 rubles and that’s all .. everyone is happy. The migration worker is working, the business is working, and the illegal swear that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
    It’s necessary to beat against business. Moreover, you have to hit hard, so that it would be difficult to rise again ... Not hundreds of thousands of fines, but a ban on doing business, confiscation of business, criminal prosecution of a businessman.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 19 June 2013 14: 18 New
      0
      Yes, and shoot all businessmen ... without exception! laughing Can it just make all those who monitor the execution of the law to fine, imprison and forbid to hold public office for life ?!
      1. domokl
        domokl 19 June 2013 16: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        It can simply force all those who monitor the execution of the law to fine, imprison and forbid to hold public office for life

        And what will it give? The migration worker works, catches, fines, and so what? They sent him away after six months with another, that's all. And why does he come, because he knows that he will always find work
        1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
          GELEZNII_KAPUT 20 June 2013 09: 36 New
          0
          From this, only the visa regime will be in place ... and as for business, they agree with officials ... legislation in this area would also be nice to tighten ... and in general the problem is not in business, but in those who create all these rules , and takes bribes for it!
  6. avt
    avt 19 June 2013 09: 23 New
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    Quote: Denis
    Deputies again imitate work

    Maybe, maybe. But they didn’t ask themselves the question, why, despite all the groans of officials, they continue to expel illegal immigrants from the budget? Knowing how they pay the same illegal immigrants working in the communal services, when they have 10 thousand in their hands, and in the statement at the tariff of 40 thousand, I personally do not think this is absurd. By the way, it would also be nice to put diasporas on grandmas with their godfathers. By the way, they have long been engaged in requisitions from their own and do not sourly live here, from time to time moaning on television about a heavy share.
    1. denisey
      denisey 19 June 2013 11: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: avt
      Maybe, maybe. But they didn’t ask themselves the question, why, despite all the groans of officials, they continue to expel illegal immigrants from the budget?

      This dear is called: "the plan needs to be done," and how Romadanovsky will receive a prize at the end of the year at the end of the year, taking into account the APPG (who knows, he knows) wink
  7. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 19 June 2013 09: 33 New
    +1
    Author Volodin Alexey
    It is true that the author has noticed all the flaws of deputy fantasies - it is very difficult to put such a mass of illegal immigrants under control overnight.
    The work will stretch for many years to come and we will still have considerable surprises from immigrants.
  8. Warrawar
    Warrawar 19 June 2013 09: 38 New
    14
    Here's what the migration policy should look like ...
    1. Visa regime
    2. Centralized delivery of labor migrants to specific jobs, on the basis of previously concluded labor contracts
    3. Employment contracts are concluded for a specified period, after the expiration (or at the break) of which the migrant is expelled from the country
    4. Payment by migrants (or their employers) of all taxes and duties laid down by the law of Russia
    5, Separate residence of migrants in special migration towns, in a barracks position (without the right to leave the town). Centralized delivery of migrants to the place of work and back by road in order to completely exclude their contacts with the local population or guests of Russia (tourists)
    6. Timely and full (in accordance with the employment contract) remuneration and timely deportation to places of permanent residence, after the expiration of the employment contract
    And what is happening with us at the moment is just bacchanalia and chaos.
    1. My address
      My address 19 June 2013 09: 50 New
      +4
      7. Responsibility of local authorities for the migration situation. From the governor to the pre-council, from the rank and file to the general of the security forces. They are our servants, so let them serve us.
      1. domokl
        domokl 19 June 2013 10: 09 New
        +2
        You are right in all points. Only this beautiful structure is broken about a simple thing. It will all take place at legal factories and organizations where specialists are required. And handymen come to us. And they work in the markets (who will monitor who brings goods?), in the construction of summer cottages (migrants work in any region and in any country). That’s why they are slaves that they can’t get a good job, even being not a bad specialist, because they can’t BUY a work permit for themselves
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 19 June 2013 10: 52 New
          +3
          This structure is not about to break. Because this structure works in many truly "developed" countries of the world, such as the UAE - where skyscrapers are built 1 km high, as fast as mushrooms grow after rain.
          This structure can be broken down only into a few things - about stupidity, about unwillingness to comply with the law, about corruption, about the greed of interested parties.
          1. domokl
            domokl 19 June 2013 16: 48 New
            0
            Quote: Warrawar
            This structure will not break apart

            The example with the UAE is not very, to be honest. Let's talk about the realities of modern life, and not fly in the clouds. To win the tender, I have to cut the price. And one of the options is the use of migrants.
            And during the construction of suburban villas, when the conversation is not even legal, but by individuals, in general control is not present as such. The police will come, see if anyone can be caught, fined and that's all ...
            1. Mhpv
              Mhpv 19 June 2013 16: 56 New
              0
              Quote: domokl
              To win the tender, I have to drop the price.

              And roll back a sickly roll away for the tender and no one cares where you will get it.
    2. denisey
      denisey 19 June 2013 12: 00 New
      0
      You forgot one thing, “BUT” while it’s profitable for the elite-clan groups at the moment, this is not possible.
  9. Manager
    Manager 19 June 2013 09: 39 New
    18
    The most deplorable thing is that we can discuss here, resent as much as we like. The government confidently believes that without labor migrants we can no longer. I don’t know how you guys are, I'd rather work at 2-3 jobs than see these people every day.
    I ride a lot on work in Russia. Also on vacation in the near abroad I sometimes get out. And here is what I will tell you. people of Caucasian nationality always and everywhere evoke the same emotions. No, not positive. I won’t meet any aphids that I would arouse any sympathy for. I can’t row all under one comb, and I think it’s not a secret for you who exactly from the Caucasus I mean. About Tajiks, etc., it’s still easier. There was a post where we clearly found out that many people from the regions themselves would gladly go to janitors for 1-1 thousand. But Alas, this elite vacancy for our country has already been closed everywhere in absentia.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 19 June 2013 09: 56 New
      +8
      Quote: Manager
      The most deplorable thing is that we can discuss here, resent as much as we like. The government confidently believes that without labor migrants we can no longer. I don’t know how you guys are, I'd rather work at 2-3 jobs than see these people every day.
      I ride a lot on work in Russia. Also on vacation in the near abroad I sometimes get out. And here is what I will tell you. people of Caucasian nationality always and everywhere evoke the same emotions. No, not positive. I won’t meet any aphids that I would arouse any sympathy for. I can’t row all under one comb, and I think it’s not a secret for you who exactly from the Caucasus I mean. About Tajiks, etc., it’s still easier. There was a post where we clearly found out that many people from the regions themselves would gladly go to janitors for 1-1 thousand. But Alas, this elite vacancy for our country has already been closed everywhere in absentia.

      We really do not need guest workers. Just look at what 10+ millions of people who come to us are engaged in, 90% of them are simply left to their own devices.
      And many Muscovites and Petersburgers will go to work as janitors if they are paid the money they have laid. For cleaning 1 plot of 15-25 thousand - you remove 2 plots stably 30-50 thousand have. In general, we need to “automate” this process as much as possible, the Americans proposed an unmanned snowplow to us this winter - it alone will replace the Tajik brigade.
      1. domokl
        domokl 19 June 2013 10: 31 New
        +5
        Quote: Warrawar
        And many Muscovites and Petersburgers will go to work as janitors if they get paid the money

        I had such a personal experience. Namely in Moscow, in Novogireevo. We undertook to maintain order in our native capital. The truth is not in the courtyards, but in the squares, on the streets, on the flower beds.
        I never was a goon, so I charged a normal salary in 18 thousand to the janitor (with the possibility of premiums for the same amount), calculated all the costs and stuff and went to the tender. We won on the fly. Monsters with technology quickly rejected the offered money.
        They started to work and started. Nightmare, that’s not the right word. Can you imagine the area of ​​the flower beds along the road? So, the rate was two or three streets per person. You can remove it roughly for 2-3 hours in the morning and the same amount in the evening ... But ... Morning, 7 hours 30 minutes — from the customer the spy calls, drove along such a street — well, I didn’t see anyone .. And hysterical. A man goes to the other with a bag and a broom.
        And when we close the acts of the work performed by the 10-20 machine with a penalty percentage. And that means the fix is ​​for my workers, and not a bonus .. Yes, and I have to cut my salary.
        And then, God forbid, Sobyanin or someone from the government will go to the country with enthusiasts — he’s full of all the workers. All the workers and all the management are not only ours, but also from the management of a single customer there ... Officials are shaking for their seats.
        in the end itg, I had to switch to Tajiks. They ask twice for a salary. And they can, in the case of an emergency, provide at least a hundred of their compatriots for one-time work in two or three hours.
        Management companies cannot pay more than they earn. We, in particular, simply refused the contract ...
        1. avt
          avt 19 June 2013 10: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          30 hours, from the customer the spy calls, drove along such a street, well, I didn’t see anyone .. And hysterical. And the man goes to the other with a bag and a broom.
          And when we close the acts of the work performed by the 10-20 machine with a penalty percentage. And that means the fix is ​​for my workers, and not a bonus .. Yes, and I have to cut my salary.

          So a fine is a subtle hint of thick circumstances - a minimal cash drift is necessary for the customer’s peace of mind so that the inspectors drive at the right time and place.
        2. Warrawar
          Warrawar 19 June 2013 10: 58 New
          +4
          So you need to change such "rules" that breed contractors into ridiculous fines and provoke the hiring of Tajiks.
          Just if you strictly follow this logic, then we need to dismiss all the staff and hire everywhere, at each enterprise (including strategic) migrant workers from Central Asia.
        3. baltika-18
          baltika-18 19 June 2013 16: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          in the end itg, I had to switch to Tajiks.

          And the conclusion is which of this, Alexander?
          All guest workers to send home and never let anyone else.
          There will be no temptation and everyone will work quietly.
      2. Denis
        Denis 19 June 2013 15: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Warrawar
        a snowplow was offered - it alone will replace the Tajik brigade.
        Yes, even without a car, how many students are there for the sake of adding to a very small herd, and how will morning activity be glad to leave the snow in the morning?
        They didn’t drown in mud without Tajiks before
  10. Dromac
    Dromac 19 June 2013 09: 44 New
    +2
    As usual, stupidity rushing from our legislators - the river. There is an order from the employer for such a number of workers, we invite the exact number. And the employer is fully responsible for the visitor. And so on all subjects
  11. My address
    My address 19 June 2013 09: 44 New
    +1
    Spawn ministries and departments.

    What does the migration service do? Why is getting worse and worse with migrants? Why doesn't the service director resign? Or is his uncle guilty, does not allow him to work, and he “sewed a mare's tail”, went for a walk?

    But drug control is better? In many regions, the police under Kolokolnikov reveal drug traffickers more than the Federal Drug Control Service. Haha such rabotnichki? Or, as with the above, who else does not work?

    Combine with MIA. Kolokolnikov make work. The only one who fights for the disgusting work of a subordinate chief.
  12. Hleb
    Hleb 19 June 2013 09: 46 New
    0
    What to do with the citizens of states belonging to the Customs Union? Obviously, the amendments should not apply to them, but for some reason, for the time being, they’re not talking ... Or, from Belarusians, we’ll start to take money for entering Russia.

    why take money? here between Russia and Kazakhstan there is an agreement on the procedure for the stay of citizens of the Republic of Kazakhstan on the territory of the Russian Federation and citizens of the Russian Federation on the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan without registration (registration at the place of stay) for up to 30 days. and let people be determined there. You can also solve the problem with Belarus, if something has not already been done.
    and about viz.vozmu only Kazakhstan. the mass of people go to study with relatives, both in Russia and from Russia to Kazakhstan. with them how to be?
  13. Abakanets
    Abakanets 19 June 2013 09: 50 New
    +9
    Introduce visas, deport all illegal immigrants at the expense of the host country. Introduce a moratorium on the importation of migrants for a period of 5 years. To verify the legality of obtaining citizenship in relation to persons of natives of Central Asia and the Caucasus.
  14. Follow
    Follow us 19 June 2013 09: 55 New
    -3
    People come here because they are in demand! Stop hiring newcomers - there’s no reason to go to Russia. And even I want to fuck a cheap workers, and so that there were no migrant workers. Our compatriots want to eat fish and catch the train.
    1. avt
      avt 19 June 2013 10: 08 New
      11
      Quote: Siga
      People come here because they are in demand! P

      BY WHOM?? That’s how, for example, migrants in the Moscow Metro demanding traits are in demand. Or on Dmitrovskoe highway rushing to slow down cars in search of a one-time job? But trading in peddlers of counterfeit phones and camcorders? Yes, in Moscow 60% if not all 80 of them are demanded by ethnic criminal groups called in the common people diasporas. I don’t know how it was at the federal level, but Sobyanin’s campaign came and he PUBLICALLY announced that Moscow is a Russian city and despite provocations of Islamists like Dzhemal, who arranged festivals for prayers on Olympic Avenue, refused to build mosques practically for visitors, and even the dough personally could raise yes even from the same Saudis is not very bad.
  15. Sewer
    Sewer 19 June 2013 09: 55 New
    +4
    Everything can be made much simpler: to deport all migrants, and to recruit the local population in their place! And to ban these migrants from entering the territory of Russia, well, if there were any specialists, then he came to work and dumped, leaving a denyuzhka in the budget of Russia, for that that they gave to work, and you can work, but that would not bring soybeans with their families!
    1. Denis
      Denis 19 June 2013 11: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: Sewer
      To deport all migrants, and in their place to recruit the local population
      And which of the entrepreneurs will do this, who wants to lose profits?
      Locals need a social package, sick pay and “white”, that is. not in envelopes, for those who think about retirement, salaries
      1. Sewer
        Sewer 19 June 2013 15: 37 New
        +2
        Denis! It’s clear that commerce is more profitable than gastric! Yes, and not only commerce and power "comrades" are not pensions, not sick, and so on!
  16. creak
    creak 19 June 2013 10: 02 New
    +7
    All of these Duma initiatives are nothing more than an imitation of ebullient activity, because the Duma has not solved anything for a long time. From the same series, the decision to create migration posts at train stations is very effective with an open border. In this regard, I would like to draw attention to the fact that in addition to Tajiks, Uzbeks, and Kyrgyz, a significant number of citizens of PAKISTAN, INDIA, and Afghanistan travel to Russia with passports from Central Asian countries. And what are we waiting for? While this whole international is organizing and starting to show who the boss is in the house? It’s high time to show political will and urgently begin to restore order in the migration sphere - otherwise we will commit ethnic suicide as politically correct Western Europe.
  17. Mhpv
    Mhpv 19 June 2013 10: 06 New
    10
    As the native state is already sick of it with this “labor migration”!
    Rides alone to work and pulls a bride, wife (or even several), children, and we are considered to have got permission. Again, large trade magnates tried to lobby for an increase in quotas for these monkeys. Pyaterochka, Dixy and the like the staff was completely replaced and everything was not enough for them, only no one was responsible for the fact that these monkeys with their diseases work in grocery stores, here you have the result in Rostov-meningitis (its Asian origin is already known), if only the Russians, working, bought medical books, where did the migrants come from. companies that provide services to migrants must pay taxes up to 75%. In general, it is necessary to severely punish from the district police officer and ending with the employer and employees of kindergartens and schools for accepting children of other states, doctors for corruption, and the cops are inactive, they raised their salaries and they both took bribes and take them, get it from the Old Man if the cop gets caught in a bribe in 100 $ -6 years in prison right away (the KGB works there and does not cover the business).
    Well, buying bills is complete nonsense. So if I go to Crimea I will have to pay 4000 $ for the whole family, not counting the cost of vacation, what is Ukraine worse than Russia in this matter?
    That's how they pass the metro on the video, so they cross our borders, although there are cops there, border guards are only good for them.
    1. avt
      avt 19 June 2013 10: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: mhpv
      That's how they pass the metro on the video, so they cross our borders, although there are cops there, border guards are only good for them.

      That’s what it was all about, the “Prospect of the World” is radial, and on the ring of the same name it’s the same crap after the holidays, it’s still divine, at Uraz or some other main holiday they collected even more. And that's interesting, in Izmailovo it’s quite Tatars conduct Sabantuy themselves, but when they allocated a prayer area for prayers there and in Sokolniki, almost no one came! Only everyone is at the Olympic, and there is also a mosque building going on, so they are having a pandemonium with the subsequent requirement to build a network of mosques.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 19 June 2013 10: 56 New
        +2
        These faces were even a little broken up at the transition to Komsomolskaya, and then they almost put up beds right there and made a teahouse, people don’t have to walk right where they need poher.
  18. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 19 June 2013 10: 07 New
    +8
    Our people support them here: businessmen give work, ordinary people offer to “harden”, police let go for a symbolic bribe. And all this is done by their own nerds, and for the most part they themselves are “proud Rusichs”. They just forget that for each ruble their children and grandchildren earned from labor migrant workers (unfortunately not only them, but everyone else) will pay three times, ten times. Do not give them a job and they themselves will either be knocked down or die of hunger.
  19. Warrawar
    Warrawar 19 June 2013 10: 13 New
    +9
    By the way, the profitability of “cheap” labor is a myth. Migrant workers are beneficial only to contractors who profit from them. And cities and the state as a whole suffer unthinkable losses. For example, in Moscow alone, in 2012, 5 billion budget funds were spent on medical assistance to illegal migrants, naturally they do not have medical insurance and the services to assist them are paid from the budget, from our pockets.
    And calculate how much they export currencies from the country, how much they do not pay taxes, how much they do not pay pension contributions, how much they carry drugs and poison our people, how many crimes they commit. There is a figure equal to the budget of an average European country (such as Poland or Hungary). And all this is done at our expense!
  20. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 19 June 2013 10: 14 New
    +2
    The problem is serious. Employers need to be punished severely. For the first time, a large fine, re-plant with confiscation of property. No work no illegal immigrants !!!
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    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 19 June 2013 11: 34 New
      0
      Quote: bormen
      15,88 million animals rode in


      Quote: bormen
      Do I want to see unwashed, smelly, stupid, etc. in my house scum-semi-animals ?????


      Himself from a palm tree for a long time tears ?! no

      Russia is for russians!
      Siberia is for Siberians!
      Tatarstan - for the Tatars!
      Kazan is for the Cossacks!
      Franz Josef Land - Franz Joseph!
      Atlantic Ocean - to the Atlanteans!
      Crete to the Orcs!
      New Zealand - The Hobbits!
      Labrador and Newfoundland - to the dogs!

      I doubtfully spin the globe, have I forgotten whom, or have I offended anyone?

      aah !!! Westeros - Stark !!!
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 19 June 2013 11: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Karlsonn
        Himself from a palm tree for a long time tears ?!

        Russia is for russians!
        Siberia is for Siberians!
        Tatarstan - for the Tatars!
        Kazan is for the Cossacks!
        Franz Josef Land - Franz Joseph!
        Atlantic Ocean - to the Atlanteans!
        Crete to the Orcs!
        New Zealand - The Hobbits!
        Labrador and Newfoundland - to the dogs!

        I doubtfully spin the globe, have I forgotten whom, or have I offended anyone?

        aah !!! Westeros - Stark !!!

        Very funny, I will continue your pun
        -Russia - illegal immigrants to Central Asians!
        Ahahahahah very funny .....
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 19 June 2013 13: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: Warrawar
          Very funny, I will continue your pun


          if you personally share the views of the person who speaks

          Quote: bormen
          15,88 million animals rode in


          Quote: bormen
          Do I want to see unwashed, smelly, stupid, etc. in my house scum-semi-animals ?????


          it is your personal misfortune hi .

          Quote: Warrawar
          -Russia - illegal immigrants to Central Asians!
          Ahahahahah very funny .....


          The problem of illegal emigration certainly needs to be solved, but in our reality it cannot be solved even in a totalitarian US country.
          Neither in Russia, nor in Ukraine in the next decade will anyone be able to solve the problem of illegal emigration IT IS FACT.
          In reality, the KGB of Belarus is more or less dealing with this, and then from time to time an emergency happens there.
          So I’m not going to breed verbiage here and fantasize on my knee plans to prevent migrants.


          Quote: Warrawar
          Ahahahahah very funny .....


          do not like humor?
          "animals" and "animals" call people of a different nationality?
          here they also told me in Ukraine - “suitcase, train station, Russia” only because I am Russian.

          Personally, I will remind such people:
          - such my grandfathers did not kill sickly when the same from the "higher race" came.
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 19 June 2013 12: 48 New
        +1
        Good afternoon Karlsson !!! You ask - didn’t you forget anyone? I forgot.
        1. Vanuatu
        2. Trinidad and Tobago
        3. Uryupinsk
        I broke my brain - TO !!
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 19 June 2013 13: 34 New
          +1
          pensioner
          Greetings comrade hi .

          Quote: retired
          You ask - didn’t you forget anyone? I forgot.

          what

          1. Vanuatu - for Venet!
          3. Uryupinsk - for Uryupchans and their goats!
          2. Trinidad and Tobago --- give it to him personally !!!
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 19 June 2013 13: 46 New
            +1
            How is everything logical with you !! I never cease to be surprised!
            And what if Nyuksinitsa? AND?
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 19 June 2013 14: 01 New
              0
              Quote: retired
              How is everything logical with you !! I never cease to be surprised!


              so why be surprised? mastery - do not drink!
              Nyuksinitsa - for nyuksinitchan!
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 19 June 2013 14: 13 New
                0
                Quote: Karlsonn
                Nyuksinitsa - for nyuksinitchan!

                I said it all the same ... 7 years I can’t ... But why, they didn’t find the boards for the clove, or what? Type of road surface saved. Yeah. Schazzzz ... By the way - the trail shows that this is not the first time she has moved there ...
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 19 June 2013 14: 46 New
                  0
                  Quote: retired
                  Type of road surface saved. Yeah. Schazzzz ... By the way - the trail shows that this is not the first time she has moved there ...


                  I think I’m constantly traveling across the road to the landfill in columns
                  evano how everything is thought out! this is for the “Carnations" a solid truck with rubber should drive.
                2. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 19 June 2013 14: 54 New
                  0
                  Quote: retired
                  I said it all the same ... 7 years I can’t ...


                  I have been cooking since childhood, since October drinks

                3. Mhpv
                  Mhpv 19 June 2013 14: 58 New
                  0
                  About in front of Nizhny Novgorod by M7 the same garbage only put more wheels.
      3. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 19 June 2013 21: 50 New
        +1
        Do not spin, break .....
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 20 June 2013 02: 11 New
          0
          Quote: NOBODY EXCEPT US
          Do not spin, break .....


          jumped to the side and left the globe alone ...
    3. smile
      smile 19 June 2013 18: 37 New
      +2
      bormen
      Such statements are simply unacceptable! This is a variation of the slogan "Russia for Russians."
      And such slogans are a direct path to the collapse of the country. Not a single enemy will drive Russia into the coffin, and such "half-animals", like some professing such slogans, are quite!
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 19 June 2013 19: 05 New
        0
        Quote: smile
        bormen
        Such statements are simply unacceptable! This is a variation of the slogan "Russia for Russians."
        And such slogans are a direct path to the collapse of the country.


        let me subscribe drinks
  22. KononAV
    KononAV 19 June 2013 10: 20 New
    0
    Not there they are looking for the root of evil, and not there to fight with him
  23. Barabas
    Barabas 19 June 2013 10: 22 New
    -13
    would be Almighty, the word of honor would remove for a year old all the visiting hard workers. I'm sure you would have to dig out from under the trash in a year! You are not used to cleaning up after yourself!
    take any construction site. How many natives are there? God forbid a third. tram, bus, minibus drivers? sellers, nurses, doctors, nurses in kindergartens .....
    fear your desires !! Russia is dying out at a speed of 1 city per year. Nobody will conquer you, they will die out like mammoths. And we will die out with you too! here will be joy to the Chinese!
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv 19 June 2013 11: 01 New
      +4
      here you guessed the hell, in our village in the suburbs, the locals clean up and many once were, as they say, at work and nothing, they work. My son has 15 years and he would have been happier to work than in building materials such as he makes 10h plow for 500r the same monkeys obviously get more. So who doesn’t want to work?
      1. Barabas
        Barabas 19 June 2013 11: 11 New
        -8
        Happy? I was especially pleased “many were once in positions of nothing, they work!” what does this mean? Old people do not have enough pensions. and a youngster (your son, who makes you work for 10 hours for 500?) This is not Soviet times of gloomy totalitarianism, when a person simply would not be allowed to bend for nothing. These are the days of affectionate liberalism - paid and survive, as you know, no one will remember you
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          1. Barabas
            Barabas 19 June 2013 14: 17 New
            0
            The city of Derbent is 5000 years old!
            1. Denis
              Denis 19 June 2013 16: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: Drum
              The city of Derbent is 5000 years old!
              Near Ryazan, a Stone Age site was discovered, about 200 thousand years old. years and what?
              1. Barabas
                Barabas 19 June 2013 16: 29 New
                -3
                city ​​and parking! Can't you see the difference?
                1. Denis
                  Denis 19 June 2013 18: 19 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Drum
                  city ​​and parking! Can't you see the difference?
                  And what is the difference?
                  To begin with, it’s worth opening a textbook, a parking lot, and what?
              2. soldier's grandson
                soldier's grandson 19 June 2013 23: 39 New
                0
                and then what did truckers do then?
            2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
              NOBODY EXCEPT US 19 June 2013 21: 54 New
              0
              And you are a Romanian citizen, what do you have to do with Derbent ???
              1. Barabas
                Barabas 19 June 2013 22: 53 New
                0
                I was there on a business trip when I worked in Himmontazh! and you are a Mordvin, what do you have to do with Russian?
          2. Barabas
            Barabas 19 June 2013 14: 30 New
            -1
            I’ll tell you, you are mistaken! firstly, not a youngster, secondly as a person I took place, planted, built, raised. thirdly, I have everything, but now I’ve got my homeland ... and it’s been stolen!
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 19 June 2013 14: 14 New
      0
      Quote: Drum
      you are not used to cleaning up after yourself!

      What the fuck? You are there!
      1. Barabas
        Barabas 19 June 2013 14: 34 New
        0
        as a pensioner, I will tell a pensioner! I am for abortion, and for the forced sterilization of morons!
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 19 June 2013 14: 42 New
          0
          Why the hell didn’t you start with yourself? In all respects, the approach is approaching ... Although ... This is your intimate affair ... Or have you already been late?
          1. Barabas
            Barabas 19 June 2013 15: 22 New
            -3
            there’s a queue of people like you and your like-minded people, don’t break through!
        2. Denis
          Denis 19 June 2013 16: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: Drum
          I am for abortion, and for the forced sterilization of morons
          That is not new ...
          We just need to remember how in 1945 one such was upset before suicide
          And they can offend
          1. Barabas
            Barabas 19 June 2013 16: 25 New
            +2
            I agree, we must remember! I remember my father, who came from the hospital in 47 and passed in uniform until 54. Do you know what windings are? and I still have them. I remember my father, he told me how, together with the Tatar, Russian, Georgian, Ukrainian, Belarusian, he went on the attack twice! And that’s all! A mortar mine a stone's throw and darkness. That’s his war, and fragments from it climbed until the age of 70. You didn’t offend me, you offended all the fallen for their homeland !!
  24. Nevsky
    Nevsky 19 June 2013 10: 24 New
    -1
    For the first time in my life, I am glad for the poor dragging of Ukraine what
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv 19 June 2013 10: 48 New
      0
      Oh yeah, I was resting from these monkey faces while in Lysychansk that year. At first I could not understand what was wrong in the shopping center and then I saw that their locals were being cleaned. hi
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 19 June 2013 11: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: Nevsky
      For the first time in my life, I am glad for the poor dragging of Ukraine


      Comrade Well, you gave! laughing
      Have you been to the market for a long time?

      ... More often than not, illegal immigrants choose large cities to realize their potential, primarily Kiev. The capital is loved more than others, experts say, Caucasian citizens of Russia and people from Transcaucasia - Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Georgians. The Chinese, Vietnamese and Central Asians breathe in their backs. People from Africa are also attracted to Kiev, which can be clearly seen by visiting the Shuliavsky market.
      Read more here: http: //ru.tsn.ua/ukrayina/kiev-okkupiruyut-nelegalnye-migranty.html ...
      1. shamil
        shamil 19 June 2013 13: 39 New
        -1
        all here to the merchandise and to their homeland
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 19 June 2013 14: 07 New
          -1
          Quote: shamil
          all here to the merchandise and to their homeland


          swam - we know wink
          but didn’t you see such a charm?
      2. Denis
        Denis 19 June 2013 16: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: Karlsonn
        In Kiev pulls and immigrants from Africa
        I wonder who they are disguised as?
        A joke about that:
        In Kiev, in the metro at the station where the old woman zoo asks the same native:
        - Son, are you going out at this station?
        -I'm not a son, I'm lord
        -Tew, these gentlemen are hanging on top with their tails hanging
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 19 June 2013 17: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Denis
          I wonder who they are disguised as?


          but they are not disguised.
          1. Denis
            Denis 19 June 2013 18: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: Karlsonn
            but they are not disguised.
            So move around?
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 19 June 2013 19: 13 New
              0
              Quote: Denis
              So move around?


              move like everyone else.
              "a black man lived in our district", he came to the USSR, he also had Soviet citizenship, married, children, worked as a teacher at the institute, quietly drank himself after the death of his wife ...
              and so plunged into a stupor "not ours, not local" - when they came across a look at a typical alcoholic coming out of a typical "dumbbell" - pour BUT NEGER !!! looking at "not local" was funny.

              comrade Denis , and how do you feel about Pushkin?
              1. Denis
                Denis 20 June 2013 09: 16 New
                +2
                Quote: Karlsonn
                Comrade Denis, how do you feel about Pushkin?
                To Pushkin with the veneration of his talent
                To nerves, if they are not a mess or gondolysis, I’m more equal, where are they and where am I?
                But actually I don’t belong to them laughing
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 20 June 2013 12: 22 New
                  0
                  Quote: Denis
                  To nerves, if they are not a mess or gondolysis, I’m more equal, where are they and where am I?
                  But actually I don’t belong to them


                  it’s just a strange comrade that gives the impression of reading your comments, maybe this is the cost of network communication drinks .
  25. cartridge
    cartridge 19 June 2013 10: 26 New
    +2
    The essence of the amendments is to oblige foreign citizens entering the territory of Russia from countries with which we have a visa-free regime to issue a so-called migratory bill of entry when entering. Registration will not be free. The cost of a bill of exchange Zhigarev and Zhuravlev is determined within the average cost of deportation of one illegal migrant - about 30 thousand rubles.


    Well, why not?
    Even such a soft measure will give positive results.

    it is difficult to imagine a situation in which a person entering Russia in a Dushanbe-Moscow train carriage on the third shelf would be able to get 30 thousand rubles out of his wallet and pay them out for a bill that could pay for his deportation.


    No money - sit in the village. These are his problems, which we should not worry by definition.

    All objections to any proposals to limit the influx of migrants from the evil one!
  26. evgenii67
    evgenii67 19 June 2013 10: 34 New
    +4
    Hello everyone! If this goes on, then soon the majority in Moscow will say this: I reap stales races in maskve There is such degeneration MOSCOW IS NOT RUBBER, judging by this video, and not only it is latex
  27. Igor77
    Igor77 19 June 2013 10: 34 New
    +8
    They only know how to destroy, and we call them to build ourselves. So they are building a destructive fifth column.
  28. zennon
    zennon 19 June 2013 10: 47 New
    +5
    Absolutely sound proposal of the deputies! They have no money? Yes, I’m on them! The problems of the blacks of the planter are not fucking! I went to Italy on a tourist, so they took a bank statement from me, do I have enough money in my account. actually these ....... (everyone can enter what they like) I don’t want to see in my country. They say they are not in Belarus. They’re doing nothing. I’ve fired a cashier’s neighbor from the store. A Russian woman, in her country. Now some sort of granny sits at the checkout. Guess three times why ?!
  29. GP
    GP 19 June 2013 10: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: Drum
    would be Almighty, the word of honor would remove for a year old all the visiting hard workers. I'm sure you would have to dig out from under the trash in a year! You are not used to cleaning up after yourself!
    take any construction site. How many natives are there? God forbid a third. tram, bus, minibus drivers? sellers, nurses, doctors, nurses in kindergartens .....


    What are you? We arrived in Russia, swept the street and jumped in conceit that without you, well, no matter how, completely disappear?
    1. Barabas
      Barabas 19 June 2013 11: 17 New
      -8
      did it just upset you? and the fact that dying on ....?
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 19 June 2013 12: 43 New
        +4
        Are we dying out? We’ll catch a cold at your funeral !! Why is there such a flag? What is the next great state drawn? MD is the main thing ... I mentally decoded it, but it will be banned ...
        1. shamil
          shamil 19 June 2013 13: 43 New
          -1
          Drumas in kind - whose flag?
          1. RPD
            RPD 19 June 2013 13: 53 New
            +2
            Moldavian woman
        2. Barabas
          Barabas 19 June 2013 14: 21 New
          -7
          my flag is 1000 years old! and under yours, the traitor Vlasov fought with my father!
          1. Barabas
            Barabas 19 June 2013 15: 41 New
            0
            what are numb ????
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 19 June 2013 15: 54 New
              -1
              Quote: Drum
              what are numb ????


              nah wink

              The flag of the district of Galicia, which was used on April 28, 1943 in Lemberg (Lviv) at the parade celebrating the proclamation of the act on the establishment of the SS Galicia infantry division, repeats the arrangement of flowers of the Ukrainian People’s Republic. Below is its reconstruction, and even lower - a frame of the chronicle from the German film magazine "Deutsche Wochenschau".
              1. Barabas
                Barabas 19 June 2013 16: 13 New
                -3
                Well, for sure, dvoeshnik. I studied the geography in the toilet according to the inscriptions.
                FLAG of the Principality of Moldova! And do not fuss with the Romanians, dvoeshniki!
                Romania was formed from the collapse of the Austro-German Empire. Moldova at that time was part of the Russian Empire.
          2. FunkschNNX
            FunkschNNX 19 June 2013 15: 57 New
            0
            1 years? why not 000? it looks like you also have your own “historians” like shemshuk and left-handed laughing
          3. Mhpv
            Mhpv 19 June 2013 16: 12 New
            0
            "The flag of Moldova was adopted in 1990. It is a tricolor with equal stripes arranged vertically, in the following order starting from the pole: blue, yellow, red. In the center, on the yellow strip, is the State Emblem of the Republic of Moldova."
            And here is what you had 1000 years ago
            don’t take a break at this age
            1. Barabas
              Barabas 19 June 2013 16: 36 New
              -3
              this is moisture absorbed by the Romanians in 1920. Russians gored, ran there for 100 years. only life got better, gone, only everything settled down, and so you get tired of changing flags three times here.
          4. Denis
            Denis 19 June 2013 16: 23 New
            +3
            Quote: Drum
            the traitor Vlasov fought with my father!
            In one unit?
            1. Mhpv
              Mhpv 19 June 2013 16: 27 New
              +1
              Quote: Denis
              Quote: Drum
              the traitor Vlasov fought with my father!
              In one unit?

              Moreover, under the same flag
            2. Barabas
              Barabas 19 June 2013 16: 39 New
              -2
              how do you probably not know? Vlasov commanded the ROA (Russian Liberation Army)! non-Aryans were not taken there!
              1. Denis
                Denis 19 June 2013 18: 25 New
                +1
                Quote: Drum
                Vlasov commanded the ROA (Russian Liberation Army)! non-Aryans were not taken there!
                Yes, the textbooks are clearly smoky ...
                From what side is he Aryan?
                Instead of trolling, try to read something clever
                1. Barabas
                  Barabas 19 June 2013 18: 57 New
                  -2
                  that is, there’s not enough oil in your head to figure out the non-Aryan-non-Russian parallel. Denis, do you have all the corridors, or is there a couple of classes? then on the fingers!
                  VLASOV TRAITOR, COMMANDED BY THE RUSSIAN FREEDOM ARMY, WHICH Fought ON THE SIDE OF THE HEMAN REICH, AGAINST THE SOVIET UNION! Moldova did not take it!
                2. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 19 June 2013 19: 20 New
                  0
                  Quote: Denis
                  Yes, the textbooks are clearly smoky ...
                  From what side is he Aryan?
                  Instead of trolling, try to read something clever


                  comrade, but what’s wrong?
                  comrade Barabas said everything right

                  Quote: Drum
                  my flag is 1000 years old! and under yours, the traitor Vlasov fought with my father!


                  Here is a photo of Vlasovites, and even in color.
                  It’s been lying around since I drove Natsik on Ukrainian sites.
                  1. Barabas
                    Barabas 19 June 2013 19: 47 New
                    0
                    killed shkolota!
                  2. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn 19 June 2013 20: 47 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    comrade, but what’s wrong?
                    Comrade Barabas said it all right


                    I would like to know - what is the minus?
                    for the picture?
                    for Vlasov and the flag under which he fought?
                    out of personal hatred? wassat

                    I sincerely hope that the person who has minuscule will have time and courage to answer.
                    1. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 20 June 2013 02: 13 New
                      -1
                      Hmm, no time, no courage ... no
                  3. Denis
                    Denis 20 June 2013 09: 20 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    comrade, but what’s wrong?
                    Not very strong in the ideology of the Nazis, but this Judas-Vlasov in the Aryans does not fit

                    And about the cons, I do not know, at someone from the crowd
                    1. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 20 June 2013 12: 27 New
                      0
                      Quote: Denis
                      Not very strong in the ideology of the Nazis, but this Judas-Vlasov in the Aryans does not fit

                      And about the cons, I do not know, at someone from the crowd


                      thanks for the answer.
                      Yes, it is clear that Vlasov was needed by the Nazis as pipifax.
                      at the expense of minus, as if I'm interested in what the person actually disagrees with, what he didn’t like, maybe I'm wrong where.

                      and so, passing by swing a saber and go into the sunset - not kosher. negative
          5. shamil
            shamil 19 June 2013 20: 18 New
            -1
            Moldova is also 1000 years old?
            1. Barabas
              Barabas 19 June 2013 20: 50 New
              0
              got excited of course! about 700.
            2. RPD
              RPD 20 June 2013 09: 44 New
              0
              otozh)))) they still can’t decide what to attach Romania to Moldova or Moldova to Romania, or even get into wagons and rush to India, the gypsies’s homeland
        3. Denis
          Denis 19 June 2013 16: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: retired
          mentally decrypted, but banned ...
          It is possible and medical Latin vagina, the essence is the same
  30. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 19 June 2013 10: 50 New
    +5
    Carry out a mass punitive action. Illegals - send, their employers fined at least 100t.r. for each abrek, so the budget of some Italy will be added to the budget immediately.
    And to clean the policemen, and then there are also already some jo, shvili, ogly, etc.
    1. Stas
      Stas 19 June 2013 11: 23 New
      +4
      Only illegal immigrants should not be expelled at the expense of the Russian budget, but send them to forced labor so that the ticket will be worked out first !!!
  31. deman73
    deman73 19 June 2013 10: 55 New
    +3
    The right proposal is coming to us, let them pay why we should pay for their deportation, etc. I personally completely agree and I still have to go only for foreign passports and tight control
  32. Letnab
    Letnab 19 June 2013 11: 05 New
    +4
    what to suffer! caught, there is no visa, it means ahead to build a railway in the Baikal-Amur Mainline, in Yakutia, roads in the North, work for wages, as if working out the amount for deportation and maintenance for the period of work. A period of at least a year ...! Need cheap power, so use it!
  33. GP
    GP 19 June 2013 11: 05 New
    +1
    Of the two evils, as you know, the lesser is chosen.
    Illegal migrants have until recently been a lesser evil compared to problems in the economy. They covered the necessary, but low-paid draft vacancies: loaders, concrete workers, bricklayers, plasterers, painters, nurses, drivers, etc.
    With the growth of the economy, illegal migration began to turn into a category of greater evil, when the harm from it began to outweigh the benefits, when the costs associated with the absence of illegal migration became lower than the usefulness of illegal immigrants.

    What is proposed in the article is one of the options (not the most successful) for suppressing illegal immigrants. But Russian society is already morally ready, and will welcome even harsh forms of suppression of illegal migration.
    1. Barabas
      Barabas 19 June 2013 11: 20 New
      -9
      I don’t understand? where did you get about the growth of the economy? from the fact that Abramovich ordered himself a new yacht? as they say here, "What is your evidence?"
      1. GP
        GP 19 June 2013 12: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: Drum
        I don’t understand? where did you get about the growth of the economy? from the fact that Abramovich ordered himself a new yacht? as they say here, "What is your evidence?"


        Poke the mirror.
        Abramovich’s yacht does not affect the growth of the economy.
        "What is your evidence?"
        Subjective: go outside, look around: a lot of construction projects for Aboriginal people (well, not immigrants buy housing there), are built up at a pace faster than in the USSR, a lot of cars of Russian new “foreign cars”, the first thing that catches your eye, but you need to the people had money; that there was money, it was necessary that there was work and earnings (just like that nobody gives money); for people to have work and earnings, someone needs work, and they are willing to pay for it; if you’re ready to pay, then there’s someone to sell, so that you have money in your pocket for work and workaholic fees, then read the economics textbooks.
        Objective: 1990 GDP ~ 570 billion d .; 2000 ~ 260 billion d .; 2011 ~ 1860 billion d
        1. Barabas
          Barabas 19 June 2013 14: 25 New
          -4
          Is it you who sold so much oil, gas, timber, Soviet stocks of weapons? What else?
          1. Barabas
            Barabas 19 June 2013 15: 19 New
            -2
            we have the same crap! boxes are worth it, but people can’t afford it. You’ll drive horseradish although gasoline is 1 euro-liter, judging by these indicators, Switzerland, and to drive 5 km to the side, Moldova is still not there.
  34. Malleus
    Malleus 19 June 2013 11: 22 New
    +7
    Quote: Siga
    People come here because they are in demand !.

    Take a commuter train in Moscow and look around. For example, towards Tushino. You will see more than a dozen bunching abreks. Just sit in a group of bushes in eagle poses. They just sit.
    While sitting ...
  35. nod739
    nod739 19 June 2013 11: 39 New
    +9
    caught?
    illegal?
    no money to travel?
    (why does the budget spend taxpayer money on their deportation? i.e. mine and yours?)
    - to Siberia, cut down the forest, for six months, you’ll earn just the ticket
    - Caught a second time, illegal again?
    - to Siberia, cut down the forest for 5 years ... or mine uranium with mercury

    and turn, order will restore itself
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 19 June 2013 11: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: nod739
      caught?
      illegal?
      no money to travel?
      (why does the budget spend taxpayer money on their deportation? i.e. mine and yours?)
      - to Siberia, cut down the forest, for six months, you’ll earn just the ticket
      - Caught a second time, illegal again?
      - to Siberia, cut down the forest for 5 years ... or mine uranium with mercury

      and turn, order will restore itself

      Good idea. Of course, deportation at public expense is absurdity, which is possible except in Russia ..
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 19 June 2013 12: 09 New
      +6
      And I suggested in Vorkuta! They were busy ...
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 19 June 2013 12: 15 New
        +5
        Quote: retired
        And I suggested in Vorkuta! They were busy ...

        Anyway, where - the main thing in labor camps is to work out a ticket to your home.
  36. ocvbc
    ocvbc 19 June 2013 11: 51 New
    -3
    The people in the network leaked the entire database about us all! Now you can watch any information about everyone who interests you! Use until you close! Here's the link - clck.ru/8hBBA
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv 19 June 2013 11: 59 New
      0
      Already on this site have leaked with their links to information about each, please go buddy to another place with such links slops.
  37. dropout
    dropout 19 June 2013 12: 01 New
    0
    One of two. Either insanity grows stronger, or the "depaputatics" have a direct interest.
  38. pensioner
    pensioner 19 June 2013 12: 08 New
    +1
    you just have to sit down and think: visas or not visas. If not one or the other, it will turn out to be a fabulous Pull-Push, and well, if with two heads ...
    How would the six-footed semiui not work! Our deputies can awaken ...
  39. Tao
    Tao 19 June 2013 13: 29 New
    +4
    I read the comments, laughed. Everything is solved VERY simply - it is necessary:
    1. At the legislative level: introduce a ban on entry into the territory of Russia, compulsory visas, substantial fines FOR THE VIOLATOR AND UNVISABLE, zero tolerance. Following the example of Israel, for an immigrant killer or rapist, there is no salvation in any country - until they kill.
    2. Borders under the castle, the death penalty to anyone who crosses illegally borders. Patrons do not spare. :)
    4. Collect the entire Duma and politicians, and crush tanks, for professional unsuitability.

    3. Paint Putin green :)
  40. Mhpv
    Mhpv 19 June 2013 13: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Karlsonn
    "animals" and "animals" call people of a different nationality?

    Alas, these are the ones who come to Russia most of all, you saw their eyes, how they look at women, girls or girls no matter what age, because they are the "highest race" sleeping on several men in shirts and ass to ass, basking in a bonfire and chewing only bread and pasta. It’s clear to everyone that such conditions can push them, but not ordinary people create these conditions, but the latter and their children suffer from these animals, because these animals seek out weaker or lone victims, so let these flocks live with yourself.
    Quote: Karlsonn
    - such my grandfathers did not kill sickly when the same from the "higher race" came.

    Correctly let this "higher race" live and work where it was born, rape, rob and kill there.
  41. pensioner
    pensioner 19 June 2013 13: 49 New
    0
    Quote: Tao
    3. Paint Putin green

    Well, at least not in blue ...
    1. Barabas
      Barabas 19 June 2013 14: 39 New
      -4
      I’ve added to such stars, but I don’t see the joke! fool
  42. shamil
    shamil 19 June 2013 13: 50 New
    -1
    Americans built a wall on the border with Mexico, April remained. And they strangle us panicles on all is not enough
    they won’t go to factories and fields
  43. Savva30
    Savva30 19 June 2013 14: 11 New
    +1
    We have enough of our working hands. Kindness is a selective measure and does not apply to all. What leads to excessive kindness (or as they specifically came up with - tolerance) we see on the example of Europe. I doubt that we will replay all and fuck .... and remain at the same time a nation that controls the situation ...
  44. Eric
    Eric 19 June 2013 14: 44 New
    0


    In this movie, a clear picture is when migration poses a threat to national security!
  45. Djubal
    Djubal 19 June 2013 14: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: nod739
    caught?
    illegal?
    no money to travel?
    (why does the budget spend taxpayer money on their deportation? i.e. mine and yours?)
    - to Siberia, cut down the forest, for six months, you’ll earn just the ticket
    - Caught a second time, illegal again?
    - to Siberia, cut down the forest for 5 years ... or mine uranium with mercury

    So I would ask the forest not to touch :) For all illegal immigrants the forest is not enough ... as an option in Siberia, plant a forest! :)
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 19 June 2013 15: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Djubal
      So I would ask the forest not to touch :) For all illegal immigrants the forest is not enough ... as an option in Siberia, plant a forest! :)


    2. Mhpv
      Mhpv 19 June 2013 15: 05 New
      0
      Let them dig their favorite BSL work tools from here to the end.
    3. Denis
      Denis 19 June 2013 16: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Djubal
      as an option
      To permafrost ... to warm under pillars
  46. Mhpv
    Mhpv 19 June 2013 15: 12 New
    +3
    Quote: Drum
    planted, built, raised

    He planted a neighbor
    Built a wife
    raised-troll in himself
    He lived to see gray-haired muds, and you carry such a heresy.
    1. Barabas
      Barabas 19 June 2013 15: 38 New
      -6
      you think so, and among my neighbors and acquaintances I’m a respected person! in general, you take a closer look, all nationalities have some kind of sympathy for their fellow countryman, and only you, if you didn’t do any vileness to your fellow countryman, think you spent the day in vain!
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 19 June 2013 16: 05 New
        +2
        Well, just Moldavians cannot live without a villainy for a neighbor, judging by you
        1. Barabas
          Barabas 19 June 2013 16: 50 New
          -6
          tell me what I attributed? Your Great Putin with foam at his mouth proves to you that you can’t isolate the Russians, this leads to the death of the state! and a couple of local Natsiks registered on the website sow ethnic hatred, and what surprises me is that they find like-minded people. Or are they not Natsiks, but “Cossacks” sent?
          1. Mhpv
            Mhpv 19 June 2013 17: 16 New
            +3
            Quote: Drum
            tell me what I attributed?

            Read your comments there everything is written.
            Quote: Drum
            your great Putin

            Yes, we have Great Putin, which all politicians reckon with, and our country is big, so it’s more difficult to lead it, and you can’t build your own Moldavian region anywhere, nor develop it, Russia bothers you, and at the same time you impersonate you the “Cossacks” sent just appear on the face of the site. You grew up in the USSR and met your father from the front, so you spit saliva and foam on Russia that it looks like you were brought up in a nationalistic vein.
            1. Barabas
              Barabas 19 June 2013 20: 58 New
              -3
              stunned! what as it turns out, just shift from sore to healthy! belay
  47. pav-pon1972
    pav-pon1972 19 June 2013 15: 24 New
    0
    The article is interesting, it raises the problem, BUT ...
    The issue of migrants, labor and the legal component should have been resolved long ago!
    Need to decide!
    1. What do citizens, business, and the state want from them?
    2. What do they want? (work of course and live at about our level ...)
    To do this, in cooperation with the Federal Migration Service and the Labor Exchange, it is necessary to create job vacancies for people outside the Customs Union.
    And while there is a demand for cheap labor, the question is unlikely to be resolved, tough measures are needed ...
    1. zennon
      zennon 19 June 2013 20: 04 New
      +4
      Quote: pav-pon1972

      Need to decide!
      1. What do citizens, business, and the state want from them?
      2. What do they want? (work of course and live at about our level ...)

      They? They want to work?! Yes, I beg you ... I was not fortunate to have been born in Frunze. Now they call it Bishkek, although they have never built cities. What is there ... My parents were assigned there after high schools. I have seen enough. ..In Soviet times, any boss was a bastard, but his deputy is Russian. You have to work for someone! They are unusually lazy! Understand that they’ve just been walking rams for centuries. Even they didn’t herd them, they just walked in the mountains. Summer up, winter down. Everything. They don’t have the concept of hard work of many years! We built European cities for them, washed them off lice, dragged them to study! They’re independent in 91. They didn’t have any debts. Russia took over everything! Not a lot passed time. In a fabulous climate! The water there is beautiful and as much as you like. Everything grows. Live and enjoy! Debts above the roof! Poverty is terrible. Aren't you from the irrepressible desire to get away?
      1. Barabas
        Barabas 19 June 2013 23: 07 New
        -1
        really born unfortunately! it’s made up by itself? did you make a thread in this unhappy life of yours? The Kyrgyz lived their way, yes, grazed sheep, and were happy. Let's ask the Kyrgyz, let them read your comments, what do they want after that?
  48. Naval
    Naval 19 June 2013 15: 32 New
    +1
    Where do not throw. everywhere a wedge. But to do, according to anyone, something is necessary, otherwise the death will not come from an external enemy, but from the inside they will all fall apart.
  49. Mhpv
    Mhpv 19 June 2013 16: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: Drum
    but they’ve stole the Motherland ... and they’ve stolen!

    You somehow decide on your homeland, or you’ve stolen it, then your flag 1000let
    1. Barabas
      Barabas 19 June 2013 17: 09 New
      -7
      Apparently we have different homelands! My Great, WE built the seas and broke mountains, turned rivers, sowed deserts, WE flew into space and plowed the oceans with our fleets, the whole WORLD was trembling before US! ........
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 19 June 2013 17: 19 New
        +1
        there is no constancy in your words your homeland with a flag which is 1000 years old and here is my Great.
      2. UFO
        UFO 19 June 2013 19: 43 New
        0
        You plastered the walls and laid the tiles. See - what to smoke! laughing
      3. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 19 June 2013 22: 07 New
        +2
        To be precise, we still haven’t turned the rivers, Thank God ...
        1. Barabas
          Barabas 19 June 2013 23: 21 New
          -1
          WE TURNED THE RIVER !! AND DRINKED THE WATER REGIONS! LOOK FOR EXAMPLE CHANNEL DNIPER-DONBASS! I managed to work there too!
          1. UFO
            UFO 19 June 2013 23: 40 New
            0
            Is building an irrigation canal a “river turn”? belay fool
  50. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 19 June 2013 16: 24 New
    +3
    Upon arrival, labor migrants should be guarded all the time every morning. The buyer takes the required number of jumshuts for a fee and is taken to work in the evening back to the camp for security. They are not allowed to move freely back to Russia in our Russia. They are also welcome to escort the train. in the form of punishments flogging tear gas rubber bullets money for work should be received in the form of noodles and the payment from buyers should go to child allowances and pensions