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New torpedo to replace the "Squall"

At the end of the seventies into service with the Soviet naval fleet received a reactive torpedo (the term missile torpedo is also often used) VA-111 “Flurry”. She had a great advantage in speed over existing samples. During the movement, the ammunition, forming a large cavitation cavity around itself, could accelerate to a speed of about 500 kilometers per hour. At the same time, the new torpedo was not perfect and had several drawbacks. She was too noisy, and the firing range did not exceed several kilometers. In addition, the control system of the torpedo “Flurry” allowed her to move only in accordance with a given program. Own guidance equipment was not provided.

New torpedo to replace the "Squall"

The Squall complex was in service for about fifteen years: in the first half of the nineties, the fleet abandoned it. Around the same time, an export version of the torpedo was created under the name "Flurry-E". After de-commissioning, rumors regularly appeared and news fragmentary character, talking about the possible creation of a new version of high-speed supercavitating torpedoes, which will later replace the retired sample. However, until recently, the development of an updated "Squall" or even a completely new torpedo of a similar class remained in question.

A few days ago it was confirmed that work on the new torpedo was already underway, but so far they are at the stage of scientific research and theoretical calculations. On Monday 17 June, RIA Novosti published an interview with the chief designer of the plant Dagdizel and the first chairman of the Russian scientific council for torpedo construction Sh. Aliyev. The company where he works, previously produced torpedoes "Squall", and now, as it became known from the interviews, conducts research on the topic of similar ammunition. Judging by the information provided by Aliyev, it is still too early to talk about the timing of the project’s implementation, since it is in its very early stages and a number of serious issues have not yet been resolved.

Thus, at present, the staff of the Dagdiesel design bureau together with several research organizations are working on the hydrodynamic appearance of a promising high-speed torpedo. The most important issue at this stage of work is the boundary of the cavitation cavity. When the torpedo moves inside the cavity, there is no clear line separating air and water, which is why the study of the hydrodynamic part of the project becomes particularly difficult. It takes time to solve this problem, and only after the formation of the hydrodynamic image is completed, the work can continue.

Only after the hydrodynamic appearance of the promising torpedo is determined, will other design work begin. The appearance will allow to form the main features of the project, such as the payload, layout, etc. In other words, it is too early to talk about the characteristics of a future torpedo. The only parameter about which you can speculate is its speed. Since the prospective ammunition will use the effect of supercavitation, then its speed will be appropriate, several hundred kilometers per hour.

It can also be assumed that the promising high-speed torpedo in general will resemble the Squall itself: an elongated body with a maximum diameter of 533 of a millimeter, a jet engine in the tail section and a cavitator in the nose section. The question, however, remains specific technical solutions relating to a particular structural element. In addition, when developing a promising jet torpedo, it will be necessary to solve a number of problems peculiar to the previous "Squall."

It is hardly possible to get rid of the noise produced by the torpedo during movement. The jet engine is too loud for covert use from submarines. An asymmetric solution to the problem of noise can be a significant increase in the range of the torpedo. The original BA-111 “Flurry” complex allowed attacking targets at ranges of no more than 8-10 kilometers, which is clearly not enough for an imperceptible launch. The progress of the last decades in the field of solid propellant jet engines will probably help to make a jet torpedo with a radius of action much higher than the similar parameter “Squall”.

A significant increase in the effective firing range of a prospective torpedo implies the creation of a certain new control system. Ammunition "Squall" was equipped with an inertial control system, which kept him on the current rate. With a relatively long range to the target, such systems are unsuitable for practical use. Dagdiesel engineers understand this. In an interview, Sh. Aliyev recalled the American ideas on the management of high-speed torpedoes. So, it was proposed to equip the ammunition with several groups of sensors and transmit information from them to the operator’s console, in order that he could make adjustments to the torpedo's trajectory.

There is information about similar works in our country, but they are extremely scarce and fragmentary. Moreover, according to the current state of domestic jet torpedoes, appropriate conclusions can be drawn. It seems that the Soviet and then the Russian designers did not succeed in creating or, at least, bringing the high-speed supercavity torpedo with any guidance system to mass production. Thus, Dagdizel employees will have to solve the problem of controlling ammunition at long distances.

If the project is completed successfully, the designers will be able to combine all the possible advantages and eliminate most of the shortcomings, then the new torpedo will undoubtedly be of interest to the Navy. However, judging by the available data, the full development of a technical project will not begin today or tomorrow. Therefore, in the foreseeable future, naval sailors will have to use not too fast, but the available torpedoes of the traditional scheme.

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  1. ded10041948
    ded10041948 19 June 2013 09: 43
    The idea is interesting, but there are problems in its implementation ... The mattresses didn’t bring their torpedo to mind.
    1. Ataman
      Ataman 19 June 2013 09: 47
      In the full version of the interview, Shamil Gimbatovich Aliyev expressed the following idea:
      - What speed should a torpedo of the future have?
      - Turtle speed. One of the directions of modern torpedo building is the creation of miniature torpedoes 30 centimeters long. It's like "pliers": you release them into the water, and they quietly go and stick to the object, and then bite, ie. explode.
      Another area of ​​torpedo building is the creation of miniature self-propelled uninhabited multipurpose underwater vehicles. They may not have explosives, but can be used as listening devices.
      The future lies in unified, multi-purpose underwater vehicles. After all, torpedoes are also needed, which come out of a submarine from a depth of 500 meters and pierce 8-9 meter ice with a blank.
      In other words, the future lies with torpedoes, which will be represented by artificial intelligence, embodied in a universal self-propelled vehicle, moving at a speed of 3 to 300 kilometers per hour. For the Caspian Sea, where there are no submarines yet, this may be a self-propelled vehicle at shallow depths. Torpedoes are needed in the Black Sea, simulators can be used for the ocean, which spin in a given area and listen: who comes to the area, who leaves, who passes by. A kind of underwater autonomous radar - antenna.
      There must be a strike weapon, which is designed to defeat the enemy submarine. Moreover, the torpedo should not just hit the enemy’s hull, but should fall into the most vulnerable place - the commander’s compartment or control compartment. Let's not forget that a submarine can be destroyed only by a torpedo, it is impossible to kill it with a rocket.

      RIA Novosti
    2. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 19 June 2013 12: 37
      Quote: ded10041948
      The idea is interesting, but there are problems in its implementation ... The mattresses didn’t bring their torpedo to mind.

      Amer just do tend to give up promising projects if there are difficulties with the design, and commercial success is not guaranteed. It’s our guys who don’t worry about such trifles as money ...
      1. ded10041948
        ded10041948 19 June 2013 20: 36
        Well, everyone knows about Russian stubbornness, but about Russian stubbornness ... There are times when donkeys are resting!
      2. Containers
        Containers 20 June 2013 00: 27
        It's not about the money there (in the defense industry). Amer tend to give up such projects if they can not find brains that can develop such projects. At the turn of the 20th and 21st centuries, the amers had an incredible surge in technology - the brains from the USSR connected with the American dough.
    3. dustycat
      dustycat 21 June 2013 21: 59
      The mattresses were just trying to make the Flurry homing.
      But apparently, further repetitions of the Flurry did not advance.
      Although the GOS can be used as a cavitator, it still creates a "forehead" and contacts the medium directly without a bag and is an obvious place for placing the GOS hydroantennas.
      And, one must think, the new torpedo will still be repelled from the medium, and not from the gas stream. Screw or something else - I do not know, I need to think. Maybe a fan, or maybe MHD mover.
      And you can rotate without problems, just dovar angles are needed less.
      Cool not to lay.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 10 March 2017 11: 59
        Maybe it’s an option to make a torpedo hollow in the center, that is, a water cannon sucks water in front and throws a jet behind, and do cavitation along the ring on the body to reduce the friction of the body with the medium. But here there may be problems with the size and possible hit of foreign objects in the throat of the torpedo.
        1. dustycat
          dustycat April 15 2017 05: 51
          The first problem of a hollow torpedo is vskidka, cavitation at the entrance to the central channel and the propulsion in the medium at supersonic speeds for this medium (liquids are incompressible).
          The blades of a water-jet turbine will blow off in seconds.
          Waterjet is successfully used in the processing of cermets, if you are not in the know.
          Hollow falls away. In the end, even on hypersonic atmospheric media (above 4M) they refuse to pass the medium through the apparatus - the thermal load is too high.
          It is possible to bring the medium into a gaseous state (change in the phase of the medium) and already use it as a working reactive mass.
    PROXOR 19 June 2013 09: 53
    A barrage has been removed, but there is no new one yet. How tired of all this.
  3. Barabas
    Barabas 19 June 2013 10: 37
    in my unprofessional opinion, torpedoes should be abandoned altogether. missiles fly farther, faster, and perhaps more inconspicuously. but with the means of detecting submarines you have to deal seriously! I don’t know, by plane, airship, satellite at last, but this su ... bmarin, it’s necessary find and escort from the base point to the point of launch of its missiles. Such a task must be solved!
  4. cartridge
    cartridge 19 June 2013 10: 42
    in the foreseeable future, military sailors will have to use traditional torpedoes that are not too fast, but available.

    Considering that the last time torpedoes on enemy ships were launched by our boats back in World War II, I risk saying that this type of weapon, with all due respect to submariners, is not strategically important for Russia. So let them work without haste!
    The fate of Russia depends on the outcome of the confrontation in the air much more!
    1. Mirrors
      Mirrors 19 June 2013 11: 30
      But is it that torpedoes today are practically the only means to combat a potential enemy SSBNs? Well, do not shoot depth charges from RBU at them :-)
      1. Barabas
        Barabas 19 June 2013 14: 57
        Well, if this is the only means, then these boats should be as many as the adversaries. If they are an order of magnitude smaller then I don’t know if they will be allowed to go to the torpedo volley?
        1. Mirrors
          Mirrors 19 June 2013 18: 30
          Anti-submarine torpedoes are used not only by submarines, they are also dropped by helicopters and anti-submarine aircraft (for Americans, such aircraft belong to the base patrol aircraft - BPA), rocket torpedoes are launched in surface ships - i.e. the missile delivers a torpedo to the search area, and the torpedo searches for the target. And everywhere there are only torpedoes, and nothing else, because everything happens in the water, and not in the air.
          NOBODY EXCEPT US 19 June 2013 22: 29
          On this topic, Barabas, you plus ....
    2. not good
      not good 19 June 2013 21: 01
      Precisely because the military leadership did not consider torpedoes to be a strategically important subject for Russia, we are far behind the adversaries in the field of torpedo building. catch up.
      1. Containers
        Containers 20 June 2013 00: 29
        The point where we left off is with amers on the horizon for now.
        1. not good
          not good 20 June 2013 18: 38
          Yeah! Behind the back.
          1. dustycat
            dustycat 21 June 2013 22: 05
            Due to hypersound, they are still only approaching the stage passed in the USSR in the mid-1960s.
            And in hydrodynamics - hydrofoils have not really mastered yet.
            And they have hypersound in the water ahead ...
  5. Argon
    Argon 19 June 2013 13: 12
    It is no condition that torpedoes as a type of weapon have the right to life, if only because they do not have direct opponents in the form of means of destruction. The missile systems of the ship's air defense system, which quite strongly hinders their development. Unfortunately, the article does not explain anything clearly. about the prospects of torpedo weapons (?). And in principle, at least the range of tasks that the new rocket torpedo should solve is not described. Apparently this is due to the secrecy associated with the "exclusivity" of the topic. Well, we wish our torpedo builders success.
  6. mr.Man
    mr.Man 19 June 2013 13: 25
    If there is a lot of noise, then why not take the noise into service and make even more noise so that the enemy's "listeners" would go deaf? laughing
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 19 June 2013 13: 54
      Well, yes, just enter the staff of a professional opera singer or deacon and give him a super mat. winked
  7. fartfraer
    fartfraer 19 June 2013 14: 57
    I apologize for the stupid question, well, what's the difference that the flurry is noisy? at a speed of 500 per hour, it travels these 10 km in a minute. I’ll think about the response time to the noise (if you don’t hear the submarines, but just heard how the flurry engine worked), making a decision, and so on. .d will not allow the enemy to strike back. well, this is only an assumption, there may be submariners, correct if that
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 21 June 2013 22: 11
      It makes a noise in a completely narrow and identifiable spectrum - I put an automatic withdrawal machine to the steering car - and the ship itself dodges a barrage.
      The circulation time of modern ships with thrusters — less than 40 seconds — doesn’t really need to be turned 30-50 degrees on board and a barrage whizzed past.
  8. Igor39
    Igor39 19 June 2013 15: 14
    The Barracuda submarine missile was first introduced May 17-20, 2005 at the IMDEX exhibition in Singapore. Of course, the developers boast that Barracuda has no equal in the world in its capabilities and that they are at least 10 years ahead of their American counterparts. At this exhibition, they did not forget to mention again that the new German Barracuda submarine missile is faster, more maneuverable and more accurate than the Flurry, and thanks to the unique homing system it is capable of intercepting the Flurry and other high-speed torpedoes. According to unconfirmed reports, the total mass of Barracuda is 110 kg, length 2300 mm, caliber 160 mm, mass of explosives 10 kg, range 1000 m, with a maximum speed the total circulation time is 3.6 seconds, circulation diameter 120 m.
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 21 June 2013 22: 12
      Obviously, the DagDiesel Group of Companies said the same thing, bearing in mind the torpedoes of the baby.
  9. viruskvartirus
    viruskvartirus 19 June 2013 17: 46
    As far as I know the German "analogue of a squall" is alive and well. The Germans solved the targeting problems ...
    1. Containers
      Containers 20 June 2013 00: 37
      Well yes. The truth is not in the serial version. In the future. And there is still no GOS, only inertial. Not accepted for service. And "Shkval" is already in reserve. We turn on the brain.
      PS The inertial guidance system was on the Shkval.
  10. ed65b
    ed65b 19 June 2013 18: 15
    They stated it, but it seemed that nobody was interested in the German miracle.
    1. Simon
      Simon 19 June 2013 21: 16
      Yes, and you can say anything you like, for example, that she is chasing ships, submarines and torpedoes, but who checked it? request
  11. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 19 June 2013 18: 45
    Quote: ded10041948
    The idea is interesting, but there are problems in its implementation ... The mattresses didn’t bring their torpedo to mind.

    And now they’ll bring it!

    The Flurry complex was in service for about fifteen years: in the first half of the nineties, the fleet abandoned it. Around the same time, an export version of the torpedo called “Flurry-E” was created.

    Sale of the Motherland wholesale and retail - cheap !!!
    1. ded10041948
      ded10041948 19 June 2013 20: 47
      I am not sure about the "lead", except that our specialists in which their Motherland "does not need" will help!
      And as for the sale ... As spotted ... start, so still can not stop. Soon not a damn thing left!
      1. Containers
        Containers 20 June 2013 00: 41
        Pancake. Guys. In special design bureaus, young talented specialists now receive more than you in their offices. Of course, less than in the West, yes. But what do you really think that you are the only patriots here ... forum.
    2. Containers
      Containers 20 June 2013 00: 38
      Do not yell. Thanks to export, the defense industry survived.
  12. uzer 13
    uzer 13 19 June 2013 18: 55
    The Flurry project itself is interesting and promising, but requires serious revision, and this implies serious funding. And there are always problems with financing. It will be cheaper to make a cruise anti-ship missile with the ability to launch from underwater position, taking as a basis the existing samples. And torpedoes could be useful for attacking from great depths, only in this case they should be quieter rather than high-speed.
    1. jjj
      jjj 19 June 2013 23: 05
      Well, in the "Club" family, not all relatives have made themselves felt
    2. dustycat
      dustycat 21 June 2013 22: 15
      Russia has its own paths ..
      Often a strong effect climbs out from where they forget to put money and everything rests on enthusiasm.
      1. crying
        crying 18 December 2014 11: 20
        Absolutely right. The benefit of enthusiasm in Russia from time to time is found))))
  13. 101
    101 19 June 2013 20: 03
    Only Aliyev is 70 years old Health and happiness Well, who is at the helm then Who will push and pull
    1. ded10041948
      ded10041948 19 June 2013 20: 49
      This is a question of questions. The "mammoths" will leave, but there is no change.
      1. Containers
        Containers 20 June 2013 00: 42
        How long have you looked into the design departments of design bureaus, my dear ... I just recently. And I think that you are mistaken.
  14. shurup
    shurup 20 June 2013 00: 39
    In case of a shortage of one stage for rockets, they make two or more. Landing of a cavitating stage on a "conventional" torpedo or BPA as a warhead solves the problem of range and noise.
    Next, we need to estimate the speed of the detection and destruction systems of the enemy. But this is through James Bond.
  15. Zubr
    Zubr 20 June 2013 10: 01
  16. Tot-enot
    Tot-enot 24 June 2013 00: 45
    A Soviet-style flurry (not export) did not have a conventional warhead and guidance system, in fact, as well, the torpedo went in a straight line.
    Range of 10 km in theory, in reality, this weapon was effective only at small distances.
    Releasing its ship itself became a target, a kind of weapon of the last chance, it is not possible to defend itself from it, it is also unlikely to survive itself after use.
    The new version is likely to become a combined one, an ordinary torpedo in the initial phase and an analogue of a barrage in the final one, and this option can also accommodate a full-fledged control system.
    1. SerAll
      SerAll 24 June 2013 01: 15
      I agree with you, the torpedo should be two-stage with active guidance! I let her go in the direction of the adversary, slowly swam 1-5 km, and there is further a native "squall" - OU! but at a distance of 2 km it will be more difficult to dodge! the more so if the performer (torpedo) is two! and work independently!
  17. Tot-enot
    Tot-enot 24 June 2013 20: 05
    Yes, at such a speed it is almost impossible to dodge at a distance of several kilometers, until they spot them, take action .... they do not have time to do anything.
  18. gridasov
    gridasov 30 June 2013 19: 32
    It is very difficult to imagine that modern scientists limit their discoveries on the basis of the postulate that water is not a compressible liquid. In any case, there is a method and a mechanical device and a new methodology for calculating the process of fluid compression. At least for torpedoes and underwater vehicles, this seems to be the solution that allows a torpedo or other apparatus to move in an extended speed range and without limiting the range and depth of navigation. The solution is that the aero shell can be created not by the transformation of an individual substance, but by the transformation of water itself, or the medium in which the movement is carried out. The displacement vector is taken from the potential of that section, which is defined as the point of pressure or resistance of the medium to movement. This means that it is the "head" potential that is used as the energy potential, which creates energy in the device, on the basis of which the operation of the device already affecting the transformation of water and the distribution of flows creating the so-called. aerodynamic "shell".
    I think that techies will immediately understand that speed control is easily accessible and unlimited. In addition, the boundaries of displacement and the weight of such melt are expanding. funds without a proportional dependence of their movement on the count. fuel.
  19. ka5280
    ka5280 11 September 2013 05: 38
    Vobshem on a torpedo 65/76 there was a logical thought. In the 65/76 torpedo hull, replace the entire element base developed in the 70s with a modern element base. Let the torpedo combat operation algorithm be as follows: the submarine detects the enemy in the acoustic range, the acoustic parameters of the target are entered into the guidance system of the torpedo, the torpedo is charged into the TA, and the target is launched. Further, the torpedo tracking the target maneuvers and approaches the target at a depth of 2-5 meters. When approaching the target, the torpedo dives to a depth of 10-15 meters approaching the target. The torpedo should be equipped with acoustic and magnetic detonators, with the goal that would be carried out in the zone of max. values ​​of acoustic and magnetic fields. I consider the gap between the Moscow Region and the Vintorul group to be the best place to undermine. To equip warheads with modern explosive explosives of increased power.
    P.S. Any criticism and argumentation on the modernization of the torpedo are welcome. For one head is good, but better is better.
    1. dustycat
      dustycat April 15 2017 08: 17
      Launch a silent torpedo launcher and gunner Flurry.
      Two-stage torpedo - low-speed carrier with a search and guidance station and warhead in the form of a Flurry.
      A flurry (even if this is so) of the target can’t hear quiet noises, but it can receive an infrasound code signal of target designation (the Germans did this, but the command was given by the GAS of the Barakuda carrier ship).
      A flurry on a quiet carrier goes into the target area and is rudely induced.
      After arriving in the target zone, the quiet carrier shoots back and Flurry in its mode goes to the target by the commands of the quiet carrier with a search and guidance system.
      But let the target PLO think - to jump overboard or try to find where the torpedoes came from.
  20. gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 19 January 2014 10: 01
    Is it a flurry of torpedoes? Anti-submarine missile.
  21. gridasov
    gridasov April 5 2017 11: 19
    I can’t even believe that three years have passed. And after all, nothing has changed. Achievements in improving the movement in water. under water in the air and not. This can go on for dozens and decades. At the same time, no one even pays attention to our developments. But no, some who consider us pests of creativity. They recommend even euthanasia. But immunity to the mediocre and stupid has already developed. The discovery is and is a technique that must already be mastered and applied. But first you need to behave correctly in order to receive information and use it. On the other hand, we understand "that any fruit must ripen" We look forward to further!