The real fight for the Russian rocket engine RD-180 unfolded in the USA

Two large space companies from the United States continue to quarrel over the Russian rocket engine RD-180, which is produced in the Moscow region at NPO Energomash and is intended for middle-class launch vehicles. The US antitrust services suspect the United Launch Alliance that it does not give its competitor, Orbital Sciences, the ability to purchase these engines for its Antares rocket. The US Federal Trade Commission has already initiated an antitrust investigation into a joint venture between Boeing and Lockheed-Martin corporations United Launch Alliance (ULA), which is developing missiles and putting satellites for near-Earth satellites for state forces.


The United Launch Alliance is suspected of illegally depriving its competitors of access to very important components from the contractor RD Amross. And this, in turn, deprives competitors of the opportunity to fully participate in tenders. It is reported by Reuters, which has at its disposal the documents of the US Federal Trade Commission. RD Amross is a Russian-American joint venture that unites NPO Energomash and the American company Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne. The first is engaged in the production of RD-180 engines, and the second with the supply of ULA for their Atlas LV.

According to American experts, the Russian-made RD-180 engines, by their combination of characteristics, are the only alternative for heavy launch vehicles that are able to put American reconnaissance and military satellites and NASA satellites into near-earth orbit. At the same time, ULA is preventing RD Amross from selling RD-180 rocket engines for launch vehicles from other manufacturers, including Orbital Sciences, which is keen to get into the lucrative space launch market in the interest of the American government.

The real fight for the Russian rocket engine RD-180 unfolded in the USA

Orbital Sciences is currently competing with the United Launch Alliance. It notes that without the possibility of using Russian RD-180, the only liquid-fuel rocket engine that is optimally suited for their Antares launch vehicle, they lose the opportunity to win government tenders, and therefore gain access to profitable orders.

Currently, the Antares 1 stage of the medium-class launch vehicle is equipped with Aerojet AJ-2 26 liquid fuel engines. These engines are a modification of the engines NK-33 production SNTK them. Kuznetsova, which were also created during the Soviet era. These rocket engines were developed for the super-heavy H-1 rocket, but this project in the 70-s of the last century was closed along with the Soviet program for the conquest of the Moon. Thus, both American companies use Russian rocket engines for their own purposes. Orbital Sciences for its Antares rocket (created with the participation of the Ukrainian design bureau Yuzhmash and Yuzhnoye) - the Russian NK-33 engine, converted and received the new name Aerojet AJ-26, and ULA uses the RD-180 engines for its Atlas rockets collected by NPO Energomash (Khimki).

According to Reuters, the US antitrust services have begun an investigation due to unsuccessful attempts by Orbital Sciences to buy RD-180 engines for its new Antares middle-class rocket. Earlier, Orbital Sciences has created its own rocket with a Russian engine to implement the contract with NASA for the delivery of cargo into near-earth orbit. The total amount of the transaction - 1,9 billion. Before 2016, the company must carry out at least 8 space launches of Antares rockets to the ISS with various cargoes in the interests of NASA. Antares carrier rocket will launch cargo weighing up to 7 tons to low orbits. The first demonstration launch of the Antares rocket and the cargo spacecraft Cygnus was performed at the end of April 2013 of the year from the launch site on the island of Wallops (Va.).


“The Aerojet AJ-26 engine is a reliable and very good rocket engine that has only one problem. These engines no longer produce. The existing Aerojet AJ-26 Orbital Sciences engines should be enough to fulfill their obligations to secure a NASA cargo delivery contract to the International Space Station. But after the end of this contract, the company, of course, would like to receive new orders for commercial launches. For this, Orbital Sciences would be more suited to the RD-180 engine, ”said Yury Karash in an interview with the Vzglyad newspaper, a corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Cosmonautics. Tsiolkovsky. At the same time, it is clear that the ULA alliance, which is currently actively occupying the leading positions in the provision of launch services, is not very happy about the possible prospect of a competitor entering the market.

Reuters industry experts believe that Orbital Sciences needs access to Russian RD-180 engines for its Antares missiles in order to simply survive in the market. Orbital Sciences does not plan to compete with the United Launch Alliance in the field of heavy rocket launches, but the company expects to become a full-fledged player in the market for medium-sized cargo delivery to space using Antares launch vehicles. And for the American government such cooperation could be beneficial, since the Antares rocket costs less than 100 million dollars.

ULA spokeswoman Jessica Rye confirmed that the investigation is actually underway and that the company is cooperating with the US antitrust authorities. The same was confirmed in the press service of the company Pratt & Whitney. According to Jessica Rye, the United Launch Alliance's contracts for the purchase of RD-180 engines are absolutely legal and comply with all the rules of competition. In turn, the Federal Trade Commission declined to comment.


The Russian rocket engine RD-180, because of which American companies are currently quarreling, won the tender announced by the USA against American and one European company 90-s in the middle of the 2-s of the last century. The RD-180 engine was designed based on the RD-170 rocket engine used on Zenit and Energy launch vehicles. The engine is fully assembled at NPO Energomash. At the same time, combustion chambers in Khimki are supplied from Samara, and special steels - from Chelyabinsk. The technological cycle of assembling only one engine takes on average up to 16 months.

RD-180 is a two-chamber engine with oxidizing generator gas afterburning, with thrust vector control due to swing of each chamber in 2-x planes, with the possibility of deep throttling of the rocket engine thrust in flight. The engine design is based on well-tested elements and designs of the RD-170 / 171 engines. The design of a powerful new engine for the 1-th stage of the launch vehicle was carried out in a short time, and testing was done on a small amount of the material part.

Having signed a contract for the design of a rocket engine in the summer of 1996 of the year, in November of the same year, the first fire test of the prototype engine was carried out, and in April of the next year, the fire test of a standard engine was carried out. In 1997-1998, a series of fire tests of an engine as part of a launch vehicle stage directly in the USA was quite successfully carried out. In the spring of 1999, the engine was certified for use in the Atlas 3 launch vehicle. The first launch of the Atlas 3 PH with the Russian RD-180 engine was carried out in May 2000. In the summer of 2001, the RD-180 certification was completed for use in the Atlas 5 launch vehicle. The first flight of the Atlas 5 PH with the Russian RD-180 engine occurred in August 2002.


During the period from 2014 to 2017, the Energomash enterprise from the Khimki engine-building company expects to export X-Rum-29 rocket engines to the US 180, executive director Vladimir Solntsev told reporters about this. “We are currently working on the issue of supplying the next 29 rocket engines RD-180 from 2014 to 2017, respectively, the load for our company will be 4-5 engines per year,” said Vladimir Solntsev.

Vladimir Solntsev reminded reporters that an option had already been signed for the delivery to the US of an RD-101 180 engine intended for the American Atlas missiles, the option was calculated up to the 2020 year. At the same time, 59 engines were installed in the USA, of which 38 had already successfully launched Atlas-5 rocket into orbit. At present, work is continuing to expand further cooperation.

Solntsev added that before 2010, the RD-180 was sold to Americans at a loss for a Russian enterprise, since the cost of their production increased at a higher rate than the price at which they were able to sell them. But, according to Vladimir Solntsev, in 2010-2011, a number of measures were taken that corrected this situation. Today, the company sells engines in the United States at a price almost 3 times higher than in 2009 year. For this reason, the company reached a positive return on sales, which allows part of the proceeds to spend on the development of its own production base.

The main characteristics of the RD-180 rocket engine:

Thrust, terrestrial / empty, ts - 390,2 / 423,4
Ground / Void specific impulse, s - 311,9 / 338,4
Pressure in the combustion chamber, kgf / cm2 - 261,7
Weight, dry / filled, kg - 5480 / 5950
Dimensions, height / diameter of the engine, mm - 3600 / 3200
Years of development - 1994-1999
Purpose: for the first stages of Atlas III and Atlas V carrier rockets of Lockheed Martin USA.

Information sources:
-http: //vz.ru/economy/2013/6/14/637080.html
-http: //vz.ru/news/2012/9/11/597557.html
-http: //www.npoenergomash.ru/engines/rd180
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  1. Ivan79 18 June 2013 08: 44 New
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    Americans will never copy this engine.
    1. Truffoff
      Truffoff 18 June 2013 08: 52 New
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      Quote: Ivan79
      Americans will never copy this engine.

      A matter of time. Yes, to hell they do it themselves, turn on the machine will be printed, and buy from our fools.
      1. cartridge
        cartridge 18 June 2013 08: 56 New
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        Both American companies use Russian rocket engines for their own purposes.


        Perplexed by the lack of Americans own engines. Where did they go? what
        1. avt
          avt 18 June 2013 09: 20 New
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          Quote: cartridge
          Perplexed by the lack of Americans own engines. Where did they go?

          request Why do what has already been done, it’s easier to colorize the paper with portraits of the dead American presidents and to nudge the natives, and do something more promising for themselves, but they figured out the Spiral and now the experimental analogue Laptya flies in an uninhabited automatic version like a murdered one, , Buran "
        2. Wedmak 18 June 2013 09: 42 New
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          Perplexed by the lack of Americans own engines. Where did they go?

          The Germans are over (this is me about von Braun, if that), they don’t like Russians, the Chinese can’t, the Europeans have played with political correctness - not about engines. They themselves can not - democracy does not allow apparently. Here is such a squiggle.
          1. sancho 18 June 2013 10: 09 New
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            According to the estimates of American experts, Russian-made RD-180 engines are the only alternative for heavy launch vehicles, which are capable of putting American reconnaissance and military satellites, as well as satellites for NASA needs, into low Earth orbit.

            Question! And why are we doing a disservice that will turn us sideways? We have that in this matter there is no national thinking?
            1. Midshipman 18 June 2013 15: 02 New
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              What do you mean why? We develop our production base and bury the American. And if something suddenly "turn off the gas" (c) - we will cover the bench and leave the amers without space)).
              1. sancho 18 June 2013 15: 31 New
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                Quote: Midshipman
                And if something suddenly "turn off the gas" (c) - we will cover the bench and leave the amers without space)).


                This is not a far-sighted policy ... As long as we cover the shop, the Americans on our spy satellite engines stick so much over our heads ... In general, we help our “partners” with our own hands ... Stupid and short-sighted. One word race for a long ruble.
                1. Midshipman 18 June 2013 17: 11 New
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                  In any case, they will not remain without satellites. The only difference is that they will order them from their manufacturer, and ours will be completely bent.
                2. OLGRIN 7 August 2013 06: 19 New
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                  Well, as always it started ...
                  Have you ever thought that trading within the country, money is simply being transferred from place to place?
                  You need to sell products, sell for export! For this, it was created.
                  Praise to the Russian designers who were able to create engines that have no alternative. For example, try to sell an engine from an UAZ to Mercedes.
        3. Scoun 18 June 2013 10: 06 New
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          Quote: cartridge
          Perplexed by the lack of Americans own engines. Where did they go?

          They generally believed that creating an engine like the NK-33 was not possible at all.
          They learned about their existence in the early 90s and the engine was created in the 60s
          This was told by the Americans themselves ... mind you .. in the late 90s they only learned about the technology that the USSR mastered in the 60s and Western scientists considered impossible even in the 90s
        4. anip 18 June 2013 12: 58 New
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          Quote: cartridge
          Perplexed by the lack of Americans own engines. Where did they go?

          So, amers never had such engines. As a result of this, the question arises: were there any amers on the moon?
          You can read here http://www.manonmoon.ru/
        5. _Forgiven_
          _Forgiven_ 18 June 2013 23: 28 New
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          And nowhere! They simply do not have enough brains to create high-quality aggregates. Slavic designers and engineers could always shut up any wiseacres, be it from geyropov or the USA!
          1. opoffis 27 June 2017 13: 06 New
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            And After half a year, you will hate us ... :(
      2. Interface 18 June 2013 14: 13 New
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        You should not sell them at all. They’ll come up with it themselves. Coca-Cola bottles will be sent and flown.
        I did not think that we were selling something to them! request
        1. Evil Elf 12 November 2016 02: 18 New
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          Rondo's pill in Coca-Cola ...... there is a lot of gas released. But selling is really not worth it. It is more profitable to launch their satellites themselves. For example, they have a very serious GPS problem. For full coverage, you need at least 24 satellites. But ...... they yes, they were pioneers in creating a global positioning system. But satellites are on the verge of expiration. And their decommissioning carries huge let's say so inconvenience in terms of military operations and precision weapons. That's why selling ... it’s better to run it yourself. Know what kind of satellite, its orbit, and so on
      3. 101
        101 18 June 2013 15: 13 New
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        Quote: Truffoff
        buy from our fools.

        And what if one fine morning the fools stop selling and it turns out that their own is not produced and undeveloped? Then print unprint and this is a polar fox
      4. go21zd45few 12 July 2017 06: 23 New
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        And what the hell are we supplying them with engines, is that they are such barter, they are sanctioning us, and we are engines for them, Strange barter.
    2. Airman
      Airman 18 June 2013 10: 18 New
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      Quote: Ivan79
      Americans will never copy this engine.


      They copied it, but all engines pass bench tests before being installed on a rocket. The stand is very expensive, they calculated, and came to the conclusion that it is cheaper to buy these engines from us.
      1. regsSSSR 18 June 2013 21: 59 New
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        subject to! they have documentation for almost all engines produced by NPO energomash! and it was sold for a long time in 90 years and is not a secret! but later it turned out that they have a complex assembly process that differs from the Amerovsky one, and it turned out to be much cheaper to buy engines from us and not to establish a proctically busy production in America! As a result, the amers came to the conclusion that it is better to invest money in the creation of new rocket technologies and meanwhile fly on our morally obsolete but reliable engines!

        by the way, I myself am a native of the city of Khimki, I am living not far from the Tago of the very stand where those engines are being tested)) and I wanted to share some information about this for that matter! In Soviet times, the stand and the whole plant were heavily guarded, but after the Union broke up, the fences completely broke and it came to the point that part of the fence just disappeared and a piece of paper appeared nearby (for short, the fence of a sensitive object was forbidden to be pulled onto boards smile By the way, this paper, in principle, didn’t forbid walking on a sensitive object of the highest category of secrecy !!! which some curious personalities took advantage of taking a walk and EVEN taking pictures of the SECRET ENTERPRISE stand and debugging their open network here is the link http://lana-sator.livejournal.com/160176.html

        To be honest, I was shocked to see because this is a secret object where the engines were tested including Satan’s engines, because I can’t even imagine that this is possible in principle, but the fact remains !! Below are pictures of the stand and the paper itself
        1. regsSSSR 18 June 2013 22: 07 New
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          appearance of a test bench for rocket engines of NPO Energomash
        2. regsSSSR 18 June 2013 22: 12 New
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          view from the plant territory
        3. regsSSSR 18 June 2013 22: 17 New
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          and sobsvenno the stand itself in the center with the culprit of penetrating a secret object !!
    3. postman
      postman 18 June 2013 12: 48 New
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      Americans will never copy this engine.

      stupidity.
      it’s more profitable for them to buy than to customize the technological chain under the taxiway.
      They also refused to produce T-34s at home.
      Note. The USSR in 1946 beautifully copied the Rolls-Royce Dervent V and Nin turbojet engines.
      In 1947, ignoring costs and inches
    4. Know-nothing 18 June 2013 13: 16 New
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      The Americans have all the documentation on RD-180.
      1. Rider 18 June 2013 18: 05 New
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        Quote: Dunno
        The Americans have all the documentation on RD-180.


        Well, did she help them, illiterate?
  2. Truffoff
    Truffoff 18 June 2013 08: 49 New
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    Well, here's another amer rocket engine sold for "last night printed" money
    and rejoice !!
    They also sold them at a loss. Here at ... rki.
    1. 77bor1973
      77bor1973 18 June 2013 09: 30 New
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      Amer has been buying these engines for 20 years.
      1. Airman
        Airman 18 June 2013 10: 24 New
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        Quote: 77bor1973
        Amer has been buying these engines for 20 years.


        That's right, with the collapse of the USSR, the plant was on the verge of collapse, the EBN considered all space programs unprofitable, so they had to sell to Americans below the market price, just to survive.
    2. Wedmak 18 June 2013 09: 45 New
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      Yeah, better to sell crude oil, right?
      After a dozen years, the Americans will not be able to produce such engines for heavy carriers. And as a result, they will sit on our supplies. And this is a very good lever for Russia.
      1. Airman
        Airman 18 June 2013 10: 30 New
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        Quote: Wedmak
        Yeah, better to sell crude oil, right?
        After a dozen years, the Americans will not be able to produce such engines for heavy carriers. And as a result, they will sit on our supplies. And this is a very good lever for Russia.


        Moreover, if you lay a bookmark in the engine, that would turn off for 20 seconds of flight.
        1. Wedmak 18 June 2013 10: 54 New
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          Moreover, if you lay a bookmark in the engine, that would turn off for 20 seconds of flight.

          Well it's rude, they won’t buy it. No, let the engine be good, high-quality. And when the Yankees lose their production ... it will be our turn to rule the planet.
          1. JonnyT 18 June 2013 15: 48 New
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            You think badly about the Yankees. They are practical people. I think that most likely they have already prepared the production base and calculated the technology for creating the engine and canned everything. Americans are a very practical people. It is now much more profitable for them to buy our engines in exchange for candy wrappers than to make their own, and this does not mean that in which case they will not be able to start production of an analogue. Need will make - do! There is documentation, they will steal some kind of pundit. The benefit of the experience after the Second World War is ....
            1. Know-nothing 18 June 2013 16: 31 New
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              In addition to the documentation, the Americans have the possibility of manufacturing the RD-180 fixed by the decree of the president of the Russian Federation. If they wanted, they would have let out a long time ago.
              1. poquello 18 June 2013 19: 34 New
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                “In addition to the documentation, the Americans have the possibility of manufacturing the RD-180, enshrined in the presidential decree.

                I’m putting a plus sign, but they don’t get a shit, for they’re rocket-assisted rocket engines, and ours are already doing nuclear.
                1. Know-nothing 18 June 2013 19: 55 New
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                  Russians make it cheaper, at one time they sold at a loss
      2. TRAFFIC
        TRAFFIC 18 June 2013 11: 07 New
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        After a dozen years, the Americans will not be able to produce such engines for heavy carriers.
        Why
        1. Wedmak 18 June 2013 11: 21 New
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          Why

          Because their state-owned rocket science is dying. The United States has relied on private companies. But these Cheka, while operating with light missiles and for every launch they will tear up the sickly grandmother from the American state. After all, it is necessary to lay profit.
          Now estimate how much it costs to develop a new rocket engine? Huge money, the US government did not go for it, they decided to just buy ours. So will private companies do this? And with what money will they create it? Space is far from profitable. At least in this century.
          1. TRAFFIC
            TRAFFIC 18 June 2013 11: 46 New
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            Hmm, yes, from the beginning of the rocket era, they have been doing engines by private owners.
            But these Cheka, while operating with light missiles and for every launch they will tear up the sickly grandmother from the American state.
            Are you talking about Falcon? So there will be different options, and the cost, according to their assessment, is less than that of competitors. And for example, Delta-4, which is produced by Boeing, what did not please you? How much harder?
            Huge money, the US government didn’t do it, they decided to just buy ours
            What does the government have to do with it? Private traders bought it because it’s cheaper!
            1. Wedmak 18 June 2013 12: 04 New
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              So I'm not talking about now. I care about the future of the USA. smile
          2. Dasha
            Dasha 18 June 2013 17: 11 New
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            Quote: Wedmak
            Because their state-owned rocket science is dying. The United States has relied on private companies. But these Cheka, while

            bullshit
            but what about
            Boeing launch services
            Rocketnene's
            Bell (aerospace division of Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd)
            Aerojet // GenCorp (the only company in the United States, producing simultaneously rocket engines and turbojet engines, starting from the main engines of space and military launch vehicles to orbit orientation systems. Among the components of the active launch vehicles, the most famous are the turbojet engines for side accelerators of Atlas family rockets. It produces almost all the engines of military tactical missiles in the United States.)
            Alliant techsystems
            THEY ARE STATE ????
            send shareholder release?
      3. Dasha
        Dasha 18 June 2013 17: 01 New
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        Quote: Wedmak
        After a dozen years, the Americans will not be able to produce such engines for heavy carriers.

        Why?
        1. The J-2 already has a cooling path with milled channels.
        2.Thanks to the new alloy “Narloy” (“Narloy-A”), American specialists managed to solve the problem of multiple use of rocket engines, the creation of new types of porous materials made it possible to come close to solving the problem of using transpiration cooling.
        3. Rene alloy for the intermediate shell
        4. work on the creation of engines with annular chambers and a nozzle with a central body did not stop, XRS-2200 and RS-2200
        5.Machines with "electronic-programmed" control, which with the help of an ultrasonic micrometer measure the contour of the inner surface and the wall thickness of the combustion chamber, performed automatic calculations and give commands for operations - they work
        6.J-2X with 9 tests per year (2009)
        7.RS-25 in warehouses of pieces 15
        8.RS-68 "10009" demonstration tests, RS-68A certified

        WHERE ARE THE APPROVALS ???
      4. tamnun 31 July 2017 11: 55 New
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        Quote: Wedmak
        Yeah, better to sell crude oil, right?
        After a dozen years, the Americans will not be able to produce such engines for heavy carriers. And as a result, they will sit on our supplies. And this is a very good lever for Russia.

        Less than 4 years laughing
    3. Captain Pushkin 31 July 2017 10: 14 New
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      They also sold them at a loss. Here at ... rki.

      This is a common practice - a price is announced at the tender (maybe even dumping, or maybe very profitable), and when the client invested in finance for the tender product, the price starts to rise ...
      It is only from 2009 to the present day that the price of RD-180 has tripled, and since 1996, how many times?
      Banal story - you have no competitive alternative? What a coincidence, but our costs have tripled! Well, how do we raise the price or turn off the project ?:
  3. Predator-74 18 June 2013 08: 53 New
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    Article as a balm for a wound. Well done, what else can you say. good
  4. lewerlin53rus 18 June 2013 08: 55 New
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    Ha! Ha! And what would we give them something else to shove something so that they would shoot each other there at all! laughing
  5. LaGlobal 18 June 2013 09: 05 New
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    Hello!

    Once again, I am convinced that the domestic military and space technology is ahead of the rest! And whoever says that - WE ARE THE BEST IN YOUR BUSINESS!

    As for the engines of the 180 RD, so you will remember about our birds for Afghanistan, purchased by the US.
    1. Barabas
      Barabas 18 June 2013 09: 54 New
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      We WERE ahead of the rest.
      1. Wedmak 18 June 2013 10: 03 New
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        The space industry is still the first.
  6. slavik_gross 18 June 2013 09: 07 New
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    I don’t understand why our best engines should be sold to amers and even at a loss ...
    1. Gromily4 18 June 2013 09: 41 New
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      As an option. For the same, for which they launched HEU-KNOW. Finally ditch the American nuclear industry. And here we are ruining the rocket engine industry. And we plant amers on a high-tech needle. And it will be extremely difficult for them to get down from it, if at all possible.
      1. rolik
        rolik 18 June 2013 13: 43 New
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        Quote: Gromily4
        For the same, for which they launched HEU-KNOW. Finally ditch the American nuclear industry. And here we are ruining the rocket engine industry. And we plant amers on a high-tech needle.

        And not just rocket engines. Elements for aircraft engines, in particular turbine blades, will also very soon become our diocese. Our technologies for growing crystals for blades, and their further coating with ceramics, remain unsurpassed. This is for civil aviation, the military is a slightly different calico.
    2. Barabas
      Barabas 18 June 2013 09: 55 New
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      Well, to someone it may be at a loss, but to someone not so! Whatever the general welded be healthy!
    3. Max otto 18 June 2013 10: 19 New
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      Yes, as usual, someone got a paw, signed a contract, and there either deliver or forfeit. Business, everything for yourself.
  7. B_KypTke 18 June 2013 10: 07 New
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    In the queue .. in the queue su ... children!)) wassat
  8. ed65b
    ed65b 18 June 2013 10: 44 New
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    When our first RD engines were sold, the Americans stated that after a maximum of 10 years they themselves would launch the production of such machines. But more than 20 years have passed and they still have not been able to even come close to this. This requires enormous money, something about 15 billion dollars, time and equipment which they do not have. The lag in engine building in America is about 20 years, which clearly shows the time. When American designers and scientists figured out the design of the engine, they came to the conclusion that it can’t work but it works and more. So there’s still gunpowder in the powder flasks. And in my opinion on our website there was material about the creators of RD.
  9. avt
    avt 18 June 2013 10: 55 New
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    Quote: Wedmak
    After a dozen years, the Americans will not be able to produce such engines for heavy carriers. And as a result, they will sit on our supplies. And this is a very good lever for Russia.

    request This is a very good cost savings for NASA. They use everything, even the solid fuel remaining steps of the Shuttle. We work as cabmen, and the final product received by the displayed satellites flows through our mustache, but it doesn’t get into our mouths, not life is a fairy tale! The cream itself is the final product, for the sake of which ALL production, including engines, is actually started. You can be glad for the manufacturers of engines in particular, but in general negative nothing to rejoice about.
    1. Wedmak 18 June 2013 11: 15 New
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      This is a very good cost savings for NASA. They take advantage of everything, even the solid fuel remaining steps of the Shuttle

      I agree. Squeeze the remnants of luxury so to speak.
      The cream itself is the final product, for the sake of which ALL production, including engines, is actually started.

      Engines themselves are already a high-tech product. So far, no other method has been invented for launching the "final product" into orbit. And you penny him the price if the product remains on the ground.
      but on the whole negative is nothing special to rejoice.

      Why nothing? We have completed the formation of the GLONASS constellation, put into orbit a radio telescope, ships to the ISS with enviable periodicity, military satellites are launched. The Angara launch vehicle family is on the way. That is, we will have the OPPORTUNITY to launch almost any cargo into orbit. This is the most difficult, first step into space.
      And where are NASA's saved money going?
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        Quote: Wedmak
        The Angara launch vehicle family is on the way. That is, we will have the OPPORTUNITY to launch almost any cargo into orbit. This is the most difficult, first step into space.

        I’m not saying that this is bad, thank God that there is, it would be much worse if there weren’t the same East and Angara. Just today, in connection with the events that have taken place and the collapse of the USSR, these steps are forced. Two steps to the left, two steps to the right, but not in front. After all, the East was a response to the challenges associated with the creation of an independent state. Well, the Angara is far from Energy, just like the ISS is not even a step for us, because the very World was imprisoned primarily for the country's defense. Well, GLONAS in general, if it weren’t for the Stavropol son of a Turkish citizen - Mikhail Raisovich, cavalier of St. Andrew the First-Called, we would have had GPS before, I’m silent about Skif, the modern Yusov missile defense is resting. I certainly don’t work in the first specialty, but I can compare and unfortunately we are only trying to restore lost ground. request
        1. Wedmak 18 June 2013 13: 21 New
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          unfortunately we are only trying to restore lost positions
          But you must admit, comparing with the USSR is somehow silly. But still finding himself in this position, and the ex-brothers have nasalized, the pace of recovery can be called good.
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            Quote: Wedmak
            But you must admit, comparing with the USSR is somehow silly.

            I don’t agree with that! Fundamentally! For we surrendered the USSR ourselves, and even now we are eating a sweet syrup of liberoids, warming up our hands on the collapse, that the pier itself had collapsed and the COUNTRY, WINNING in World War II, is not viable. Russia, however, is positioning itself as the OCCASOR OF THE USSR officially it was for this legal reason that she was left with a place in the UN. Well, it must be so. There is no QUALITATIVE move, that's what upsets.
  10. dimon-media 18 June 2013 11: 26 New
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    Ultimately, the United States will die as a country with an industrial industry and finally become a service sector and consumer. Although, as a matter of fact, already now in their country there are only "paper workers". Lawyers, managers, economists. There is no production. All production in the Old World. The “promka” atrophied completely. I think they’ll come out sideways sooner or later. It is impossible to raise and develop the economy only by the work of white-collar workers and the printing press.
    1. Orty 18 June 2013 12: 03 New
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      So it’s their strategy that they have, and that of the English, the main thing is to be an emission center, that is, print grandmothers and regulate their flows, and all that needs to be bought if necessary. The vicious logic of the elite divorced from their countries and peoples. The sick people do not understand that it is precisely a strong industry, the army and the navy that made them these very emission centers, that if all this falls into decay, sooner or later they will have to pay for it.
      1. TRAFFIC
        TRAFFIC 18 June 2013 12: 31 New
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        Yes, and that is precisely why the US industry grew by 3% last year. laughing
    2. JonnyT 18 June 2013 16: 02 New
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      I do not agree with you.
      A lot of highly technological robotic equipment is manufactured in the USA! And do not forget about air and car sideways. The entire defense industry in the states. If they have factories around the world, this does not mean that they do not have production in their home country.
    3. postman
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      Quote: dimon-media
      Ultimately, the United States will die as a country with an industrial industry and finally become a service sector and consumer. Although, as a matter of fact, already now in their country there are only "paper workers".

      Quote: dimon-media
      The “promka” atrophied completely.

      Write crap, not a podmaf.
      1. Ford aircraft carrier, Virginia nuclear submarine, 22, SM-3, GBI, etc. where in China do?
      2.practically all the drilling equipment?
      3.Mercedes ML, GL, BMW X3, X5, X6?
      4.combine machinery for agriculture, quarries, cranes-?
      -electric power, mechanical engineering and the chemical industry — their combined particle in US industrial products exceeds 50%, they account for up to 60% of all investments in industry.
      -USA is the world's largest producer of electricity (80 nuclear power plants, NPP capacities are 32,5% of the world's nuclear power plants.)
      - aluminum smelting in the USA, including from scrap (first place in the world) - Factories full cycle work in areas provided with cheap energy - at hydroelectric power stations near Columbia and Tennessee.
      -USA also occupies the first place in the production of tin, the second - in lead.
      - On the basis of its own deposits smelted copper in Priozerye (second place in the world).
      -Machine building is a leading industry in the United States, it produces almost 40% of industrial products. The United States, along with Germany and Japan, have a full range of engineering production.
      -USA produces over 16% of the world's grain.
      Gross grain harvest - 62,7 million tons - the third indicator in the world after China and India.

      An important feed crop is soybean, which is grown in most areas suitable for field cultivation (1st place in the world).
      In the arid southern part of the Great Plains, a drought-resistant feed crop is cultivated - sorghum (22,5% of world production). Commodity harvest of rice is over 9 million tons (11th place in the world)
      -By the number of cattle, the United States takes fourth place in the world, and pigs - second.
      - in large urban agglomerations of the north and north east of the USA - Chicago, New York, where the most powerful scientific and technical potential of the state was concentrated, as well as in the area of ​​Los Angeles, Dallas, Houston, New Orleans. The United States maintains leadership in the production of computers, releasing more than half of all computers in the world.
      - about the military industrial complex, aerospace industry, shipbuilding, automotive ..... and there is nothing to say

      and it matches
      Quote: dimon-media
      It is impossible to raise and develop the economy only by the work of white-collar workers and the printing press.

      ?????
      For reference: The import of foreign capital into the United States is over $ 100 billion annually.
  11. fedot.uncle
    fedot.uncle 18 June 2013 12: 57 New
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    I don’t know how the public is, but I am proud that I participated in the promotion of the RD-170-180 to the American market. Glory to Boris Katorgin and a blessed memory to my friend Colonel - Marine David Quinlan, thanks to whose energy the product of the Soviet military-industrial complex was tested and works in the USA. And Ukraine at the same stage, in 1995, folded its paws and did not begin to promote its high-tech RD-120 engine. Amer shouted at them: "American rockets must fly with American engines," and Kuchma was blown away.
  12. Rider 18 June 2013 18: 22 New
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    my dear merchants, the polishers have pissed off.
    Well, you can’t please you directly.
    you don’t like that Russia sells raw materials, that it’s a high-tech product.
    moreover, it sells these goods to the most high-tech (as they think to themselves) nation, with Boeing raptors and aircraft carriers.
    the nation that kicked the moon on the moon
    (and then see the boots erased)

    you don’t like what they pay with cut paper?
    so let's move on to barter, or barter.
    and by the way, you throw away your $ (if you have one), because they (in your opinion) are worthless.

    Well, and more about the "chef u have disappeared !!!"
    (though not quite the topic)

    I remember many squeals were about the sale of uranium to Americans.
    from then prosralipolymers were drawn.
    and then suddenly it turned out that having received the Russian raw materials, THE WHOLE URANIA PROCESSING INDUSTRY OF THE USA IS COVERED WITH A COPPER PEL.

    I ask you to get acquainted (if anyone is interested)
    http://oko-planet.su/politik/politiklist/151491-zachem-russkie-otdali-ssha-svoy-
    uran.html
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      And why should they rejoice here Gulag give them. all to Kolyma.
  13. Dasha
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    I don’t know how the public is, but I am proud that I participated in the promotion of the RD-170-180 to the American market.

    Have you worked / are you working in JV RD AMROSS?
    You can read more. Interesting, little info
    Especially about the fire tests of the RD-180 lapping engines as part of the first stage of the rocket at the stand of the Marshall Center, NASA in Huntsville. THERE IS A PHOTO?

    Quote: fedot.uncle
    Amer shouted at them: "American rockets must fly with American engines"
    How is it?
    1. News “Martin Marietta” announced open the competition for the engine for use on the modernized Atlas 2AR and 180 LV was held (and it is not American at all) and its design (the RD-180 engine was announced as the winner of the competition). What does Kuchma have to do with "blown away"?
    2. RD-120 is initially for the SECOND STEP of the launch vehicle (Zenith), and there is a completely different nozzle expansion (pressure of the wasps at the cut)
    3. RD-120 - not one (!) Successful flight test and not a single (!) Fire launch (In the USSR, Ukraine) until the 4th quarter of 1995 in .... in the USA at the Pratt & Whitney booth E-8 to assess the applicability of American fuel.
    It (RD-120) was supposed to be used for the X-34, but the project was closed
  14. Gromily4 21 June 2013 14: 39 New
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    Americans ask Russia to release old rocket engines again
    http://rnd.cnews.ru/tech/news/top/index_science.shtml?2013/06/21/532979
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    Interestingly, if from the mid-90s to the beginning of the 2000s, engines were sold at a loss, then the price difference settled in someone’s pockets. Interesting in whose?
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    I can not understand. And how did the Americans fly to the moon? These engines for our lunar program were built. 1 were installed on the H30 rocket, the Americans flew away, as they say, on 5 engines. Where are these engines?
  17. Vlad5307 3 November 2016 20: 55 New
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    I don’t understand why our best engines to sell to amers and even at a loss

    They are not the best, but simply good and reliable, and there is already nothing more secret for amers - the technologies are still sold under EBN! We cannot load the factory with orders, but we must somehow fight unemployment. Convert the plant to produce modern engines apparently there is no way. And there is no need to breed any conspiracy theories. Everything is simple. hi
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      They do not fight unemployment at the expense of such piece high-tech products. Such products are exaggerated at exorbitant prices, and their frames are cherished and cherished. But .. this is not with us.
  18. PValery53 10 November 2016 18: 19 New
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    Something ours does not even guess is to print banknotes and to “buy” them from amers is especially valuable HARD, well, that is, their useful “bastard you” (sorry for insulting). And amers quite succeed. Well you think! - To be able to deceive people and entire nations !! - The Americans took, fuck-bang, printed their green pieces of paper, and now, please, as much as you want, RD-180 rocket engines !!! - Do we have fools? - I doubt something.
  19. Evil Elf 12 November 2016 02: 29 New
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    What are the RD-180. Recently, in a program, Time will show Mark Knuckles like that (a fat one but not Michael Bohm, he turned gray strongly over the last year) So this Mark said. We are a great country because we have Apple and took out our phone. I think that says it all.
  20. Alexander Don 18 July 2017 09: 31 New
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    Kurasava, you google a googling flight to the moon and Ikamaz, and you will be surprised that flying to the moon is a fake and parish commune. Party of the USSR
  21. Rostislav 28 July 2017 12: 29 New
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    Double feeling. On the one hand, selling high-tech and high-tech products for export is great, on the other hand, “sworn friends” use them to launch military satellites directed against us into space. Are we preparing problems for ourselves?
    It recalls the situation with an eccentric who ruins his health in hard work in order to earn more money, so that there is something to buy medicine for, to improve his health.
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      Very similar to that.
  22. Aristide 31 July 2017 11: 43 New
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    That bad luck, what? It seems everyone knows how the Yankees, but to do a rocket engine, no. How much IQ do I need to design such an engine?
    1. Scalpel 2 August 2017 15: 28 New
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      These engines are only part of the American missiles, they also have their own. Now new ones are being developed for promising missions.
  23. Vyacheslav Volgin 11 August 2017 21: 11 New
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    Put the ov on the needle. Let them buy from us.
  24. Georgievic 18 September 2017 23: 05 New
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    At one time, under contracts, they drove grain and oil through Brest before the attack on the USSR! History repeats itself, until how long will the Slavs be suckers?
  25. andrew42 31 January 2018 19: 03 New
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    “... which allows us to spend part of the proceeds on the development of our own production base,” a funny phrase slipped from the author. Something sounds a little dreary. And what about R&D at a loss? Or how? It seems that we continue to feed the gentlemen of the Pratt and Whitney merikans, only a little less than in the 90s, when these gentlemen did what they wanted in Russia.
  26. Victor St. 1 February 2018 18: 02 New
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    The USA and Russia are enemies. The United States believes that we are the enemy of N1. So why supply the enemy with weapons that he will use against us. Are you completely lost your mind in the government? And we will still vote for these. We will cut the branch on which we sit.