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From the sleeve of the Stalin overcoat

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My article "Apology Gulag"Caused a lot of feedback on the Internet, among which the so-called" democratic "column was distinguished by some of its wild, reckless fury:


“Since you like the GULAG so much, and get in there! .. It would have passed once by the Kolyma tract, it would have started singing differently! .. The author is a classic example of a rabid self-hater. A nasty blizzard that pours from his brain ... "And so on.

But I did not write that I like the Gulag, that it was not cruel! I like the development of the country - and the fact that during the GULAG its growth rates were the greatest for our entire history, there is a fact! And for this, according to the "progressive" public, should I be planted? “To give,” as one brave man said under his anonymous cap, “give him a fortune!” Well, then the fans of the crucified Christ and the blind Homer should then be crucified and blind - if the cross and blindness were included in the set with the acts of their idols?

By the will of fate, the Gulag entered the package with our greatest accomplishments. And there is something to ponder; and yelping with dog malice to a genuinely written blood, but the great page of our Book of Genesis - is this the way forward?

The gulag, where the innocent were languishing, is of course evil. But life is generally full of evil; and death, which is inseparable from her, is evil, but this is not a reason to end it and not to give birth to children at all! And in that article it was about a complex link between good and evil, freedom and non-freedom: how to choose the least of the evils? And this choice is not as simple as it seems to our hurray democrats: just to score a stake in the evil Stalin - then good, you see, will rise by itself!

There is nothing in the world itself, and narrow-headed drift often leads to even more evil. In the now free Russia, the prisoners, including the innocents, became no less, and the number of exterminated and broken by crime and homeless lives was more than in the GULAG! But this, according to the democratic doctrine, is not a crime, not a sin - and so, innocent costs. Nobody wanted this, "it happened" - and there is nobody to ask for it. Well, and the gulag - an intentional evil! And the fact that, on its basis, great fruits have grown, as in the times of Grozny and Peter, for the current pathologically fruitless welfarers, this is not the case.

But according to this logic, the surgeon who cuts across the living, causing pain to the body is a villain, and surgery is a crime! But people, thank God, judge doctors not for the bloody intervention in the liver, but in fact saved by life and health. When it comes to the democrat's personal skin, he understands that perfectly. But it only comes to the life and health of a nation, a country — the indicated dialectic at once excludes his mind!

Of course, no one wants to go under the surgeon’s knife, this is an extreme case, but if he has come, there is no place to go. And the GULAG became for us such an extreme case as a result of the terrible economic and human devastation caused by the civil war. She, with all her mutual hatred, was the result of a wild injustice in Tsarist Russia, where alone, the bar, everyone had no difficulty; others, bent on those backs - nothing. For a number of reasons - the fascist threat, for which reflection it was necessary to tear the veins on industrial fronts, and much more, about which, again, our top Democrats do not want to know.

Yes, during the GULAG there were torments and deprivations - but they were not in vain, they were generic torments, which, by honor, should be worshiped, having done everything so that they would not be wasted! But we, having sat down on the poisoned democratic hook, hated them so much that we let the country born in them into the wind. At the same time, the bitter sufferings themselves, which have not been reduced in total, have only gained from us the excuse that this is not all for the sake of some White Sea Canals and Magnitogorsk, but “it happened”.

But is this really a consolation for mothers whose children were killed “just like that” with the onset of our dashing freedom? ” Let someone stigmatize me for “justifying a bloody GULAG,” say such a mother: “Hurray! Your son did not fall for Stalin, not for the Motherland, but you live for good! ”As you can, why not give up on the light of the past, don't hear this motherly howl, which will no longer give birth, except for the sobs themselves, nothing!

They write to me: “Only a free person in a free society can become a true creator!” But this is only good intentions written by forks on water; I wrote about what was and what is. Our country in the Gulag was far ahead of the whole world, even in what seemed to be incompatible with the whipping system - but here you are!

How much do we know the great, modern Stalin era composers all over the world? I will not name more than four: Stravinsky, Villa-Lobos, Britten - and with the stretch of Nino Rota. How many were under Stalin in one of our countries? Prokofiev, Shostakovich, Sviridov, Khachaturian - these are only the largest. Khrennikov, who worked in the same film niche as Roth, with his masterpieces “Like a nightingale about a rose”, “Why is my heart so agitated”, “Lullaby” from “The Hussar Ballad” - definitely beats up his colleague. But besides this, the most, from the indicated epoch, performed to this day in the world of the five, we didn’t count other classical creators: Glier, Myaskovsky, Shaporin, Kabalevsky, Boris Tchaikovsky ... Such a placer from the “Stalin overcoat” sleeve, of which there is no equal it was on the whole planet!

To say, as it is now accepted, that they all worked “in spite of”, that they were subjected to harassment - to godlessly lie or not to know the subject at all. They lived and worked in such prosperity, with such medicine that they did not dream of Bach and Beethoven. But the main thing for them was different: their symphonies and operas, which are very expensive to perform, sounded and discussed in the widest possible way. They were praised and awarded the highest prizes and awards, and cursed too - but who in the world did not blame?

Tchaikovsky's “Sleeping Beauty” during his lifetime was called colorless, his 5 th symphony, one of the top ten in the world, is hard to fail at the thought of which! Contemporaries booed Mussorgsky's Boris Godunov, Beethoven's violin concerto was declared unenforceable ... Such are the vicissitudes of any creative destiny - and there is no cross for those who beat Stalin for criticizing our composers who rolled around him like cheese in oil!

That poor fellow Schubert was really unlucky: none of his symphonies, including the greatest ones, 5 and 8, “Unfinished,” were performed during his lifetime. Bach died in poverty, there was nothing to bury; Beethoven is the same. But the biggest unfortunate, if you dig the story of the persecution of the creators, befell Bizet. His opera "Carmen", number one today, critics friends announced a vulgar copy of the common folk rehash. Why 36-year-old author, put all his spirit into these notes, came down and died three months after the premiere. That's really really hunted to death!

And Shostakovich just once, among all praise, cursed at Pravda - and for the cause: for the confusion and formalism of his opera Katerina Izmailova. Stalin himself scolded - and to the point that Shostakovich, having thrown this formalism, instead of "controversial" music, began to write the already indisputable, such symphonies, from which the world shook! And this is baiting? It is the creator’s dream to have a critic with such a sensitive ear in the person of the head of the country; for this, all of our creators, in spite of the hard sometimes beatings from a tyrant, he was idolized!

Here is a paradox: that Stalin's lack of freedom engendered the greatest freedom of creativity, not only in music, but also in other arts, and in science. And our present freedom will give birth to one slavish ignorance; and people who think they are free can really not give a damn about each other on the Internet!

Our democratic column would be best to beat Stalinism, hated by it, as they say, with a positive example - through its greater achievements. But they don’t exist at all, instead such rubbish is rubbed into the minds: but now we live right, and if we had achievements in the GULAG, we did it on the wrong basis! .. This would be told to our summer women: they say that they don’t grow tomatoes like that, but she damned them; the other is like that, but unfortunately without harvest. To laugh they raised b!

Here another exposer from the same column writes: “You're lying, Roslyakov, about the Gulag and about our scientists that the Gulag went to their advantage. Korolev died on the operating table due to a throat injury in the gulag, and how many more scientists have rotted this camp! The highest abomination in relation to the ruined souls is to justify the dictator and his savage form of government. ”

It sounds like a beautiful, pathos - but well, so indifferent to the even greater abomination of today, destroying even more souls under this tru-la-la: "Freedom is better than unfreedom!" We really don’t know how many creators were ruined by the Gulag - and, perhaps, by some. But how many have spawned! And we know them, we know their great breakthroughs in space, aviation, literature, painting - but where is their equal number under present freedom? The dictator Stalin was so rotting the color of the nation that we had more of that color with him than in any other country!

The fact that he once scolded - and rightly - Shostakovich, leads our democracy, rested in the denunciation of the past, in anger and rage with the trembling of the hamstrings. But no grief of his contemporaries doesn’t bother her at all - except for the cases when it is possible to indulge in TV drama with someone’s drama pulled out of life. “I feel good - and that's that, and someone else's grief is fie,” - this was the moral code of our, now free, and from any conscience of the country.

Back in the unfree, I somehow went on a business trip to a remote Siberian village, where the director of the state farm deprived the couple of pensioners of mowing, as their son who worked at the farm was killed. It is indicative that the letter about this was not even lawlessness - heartlessness forced the editorial staff to send a correspondent for a long journey. And I didn’t have time to leave there, as the old people were reimbursed, and the directors soothed "for inhumanity to the people."

Already in our days, once in the same land, I stumbled upon a gang of villains who caught hungry girls, put them on a needle and turned them into prostitutes. But the publication of this has not caused a slight ripple on the brow of officials, human rights activists, priests: they say, you fools are to blame! Themselves themselves - but a nation with a ruined soul and conscience will inevitably die!

Yes, hayat something - also a matter: before you build a new one, we must prove the worthlessness of the old. But our vitiyas are boiling, they have done nothing: for more than a quarter of a century, with these haikas, we didn’t even bind ourselves with a new screw, nuts — completely switching to Chinese hardware! And just the democratic compartment took over from our multifaceted past only one this line: to give our opponent a two-piece!

How can you build a future with such eyes blindly filled with hatred of the past? Yes, the past, our only pride now, can be trampled like that - judging by the introduction of the brainless anti-Stalinist doctrine into the hearts, somehow it turns out. But to create something new in this way is incredible.

“Freedom is better than non-freedom!” - our most fruitless liberal pseudo-president said to the stupid enslaved to the free-dumb stupids. The slogan is not only hypocritical in his mouth, but also incorrect in essence, especially cynical with regard to the suddenly “so simple” army of today's orphans, these “children of freedom”.

This freedom in general is no better than the lack of freedom, and sometimes, as our current example shows, much worse. Here we must distinguish: freedom for something - and freedom from something; freedom of action - or hollow words. Under Stalin, we had boundless freedom of action, cast in the mass of the affairs created under him. And now - the freedom to do nothing, just steal and turn potential mothers of the country into fruitless prostitutes. At the same time, human blood was about the same extent, apparently written to us as a race, as it was then flowing, and it is still pouring now. Only now in other ways - and not in health, but for the rest of the country's indigenous population, which is melting before our eyes.
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  1. cartridge
    cartridge 18 June 2013 08: 13 New
    69
    I am not a terry Stalinist, but the personality of Stalin evokes my deepest and most sincere respect!
    1. krasin
      krasin 18 June 2013 08: 44 New
      +6
      Stalin arouses my deepest and most sincere respect!

      There was such a time. Workers and peasants destroyed the bourgeoisie, the kulaks, many and their children hid.
      Competent people were needed to lead the country, many former people came. And the showdown began!
      Who avenged each other as best they could, children of former children of revolutionaries, etc.
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 18 June 2013 13: 02 New
        14
        In the 17th century the Jewish Zionists came to power, as intended, but STALIN got in their way! And all the repression, the famine in the country and other dirty tricks, this is the work of the "chosen people" and their minions on the ground! And everyone was dumped on STALIN, Khrushch I didn’t want to answer for my deeds, so I dumped it on GREAT !!!
      2. dropout
        dropout 18 June 2013 20: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: krasin
        Such a time

        Times do not choose
        They live and die in them.
    2. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 18 June 2013 12: 31 New
      +8
      I join you completely, and whoever does not know the story, I recommend reading David Duke and / or Martens Ludo, both of which you can hardly call Stalin's lovers. The first one writes who actually organized the Gulag, and the second one in his book “Another Look at Stalin” writes such things that you look differently and gives a bunch of links from documents, unlike Solzhenitsen and Sakharov (the last for that that he traded his homeland for the Nobel Prize in general is impossible to understand) who wrote fiction based on their wishes and desires, and not on documents.
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 19 June 2013 00: 58 New
      +1
      Yes, there was a cult. But there was a personality.
      Everyone who climbed to the top after Stalin was in comparison with what I want to characterize with a quote from Ilf and Petrov: "miserable, insignificant personalities." Well, maybe except Andropov. But everyone, even the terminally ill Chernenko, tried to make himself a cult. Well, or at least a cult. But as far as personalities were, such and cults turned out, miserable and insignificant.
  2. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 18 June 2013 08: 15 New
    11
    Already today, having fallen into the same lands, I stumbled there on a gang of villains who caught hungry girls, put them on a needle and turned them into prostitutes.
    Such things happen where local police or police cover local bandits — a typical example of KUSCHEVKA.
    Unfortunately, this was and will be - from time to time the law enforcement officers who are too presumptuous of policemen or bandits are planted by Moscow law enforcement officers, but this does not always help.
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 18 June 2013 08: 46 New
      +6
      Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
      Such things happen where local police or police cover local bandits — a typical example of KUSCHEVKA.
      Unfortunately, this was and will be - from time to time the law enforcement officers who are too presumptuous of policemen or bandits are planted by Moscow law enforcement officers, but this does not always help.

      And the prosecutor of Kushchevka then was the current chairman of the Nizhny Novgorod Regional Court
    2. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 18 June 2013 13: 08 New
      +4
      I think in such cases the Lynch court helps!
      1. Rider
        Rider 18 June 2013 21: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
        I think in such cases the Lynch court helps!


        which court of lynching!?
        CHEEEM!? FORK!?

        that is precisely why the powers that be are HIGHLY hindering the possession of weapons by the population.
        for then VERY many would get what they deserved.

        and even that ...
        now take the same shrubbery, 200 raped girls, haven't any of their dad got a gun?

        they did not find courage.
  3. domokl
    domokl 18 June 2013 08: 21 New
    16
    Emotionally, but true. The state only then is worth something if it can defend itself ... Lenin. And Stalin probably added-and from internal enemies too
  4. My address
    My address 18 June 2013 08: 25 New
    23
    Who can imagine what, under Stalin, the country's gold and currency would be kept in the obligations of other countries ?!
    Economic theater of the absurd, or betrayal?
  5. sergo0000
    sergo0000 18 June 2013 08: 27 New
    24
    The author has excellent thoughts and conclusions! A huge plus! drinks
    Yes, and what is the Gulag!? The same ministry on the profile. Only in our camps do people earn money for soldering for criminals, in the Gulag, I fed on my labor! Where is more justice !?
  6. ups
    ups 18 June 2013 08: 29 New
    22
    Itself really not so long ago rethought what was done by Stalin and I will say that we Russians should be proud of it. And screamers, God bless them, as they say in Russia. Nits are nits everywhere. To the author plus.
  7. Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 18 June 2013 08: 34 New
    10
    correct words! I agree with the author! If you really think about it, then something has stopped appearing in Russia geniuses. Only one "Star" advertised by the yellow press. I don’t remember a single film of the new Russia that I would like to see again. I am not a great connoisseur and lover of classical music, but the Shostakovich Leningrad symphony performed by a live symphony orchestra is something!
    Stalin's time is a time of great achievements of the state.
    And the last, in the USSR with twice as much population, during the Gulag in the zones on one settlement day there were a number of convicts commensurate with the present time! Draw your own conclusions.
  8. bubla5
    bubla5 18 June 2013 08: 42 New
    +4
    It’s time for shit, the embryos of a drunken Ural drunk, on barges and at sea, and there is a torpedo test.
    1. volkodav
      volkodav 18 June 2013 12: 33 New
      +2
      why so humane will still survive. solder in tanks, and BMPs, and a series of tactical missile tests, the Iskander, or test new catapulting seats, not on mannequins, but on decks
    2. nnz226
      nnz226 18 June 2013 17: 22 New
      +4
      The "evil Bolsheviks" (as well as the beautiful white ones) did not spend torpedoes on barges, they simply opened the kingstones. And they took an example from the French Revolution (“Freedom, equality, fraternity!”), Where the “great French revolutionaries”, saving gunpowder (and the guillotine could not cope), put enemies of the people in barges (did you think this term was “invented” by Stalin? !) and drowned, drowned, drowned. And no one in France shed tears about "atrocities", nor worn, as with a written bag, with the remembrance of the "innocent murdered martyrs" - then the royal blood reigning in France, PUBLICALLY (!!!) executed under the whistle and hooting of the crowd, and starved 12-year-old Louis 17. And on the other hand, solemnly, the parade marks the day of the capture of the Bastille, something that laid the foundation for all this revolutionary whistle. Lenin was right in saying about the revolutionary situation: “The tops cannot rule in the old way, the lower classes don’t want to live in the old way!”, And here we need a man who has stopped the bacchanalia of the bloody revolution and begins to build, not destroy ”to the ground " In France this became - Napoleon - still the idol of the French and many others, in the USSR - Stalin.
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 19 June 2013 01: 53 New
      +1
      Some of you are inhumane. On a barge, a torpedo. You are scattered with valuable human material, and even in those barges and torpedoes, people's labor and funds have been invested. And who then in the uranium mines will wave Kyle? No, even if they bring any benefit to the country, and there they themselves will be thrown away from the radiation hoof.
      1. My address
        My address 19 June 2013 20: 19 New
        +1
        You plus
        But uranium mines are safe with respect to thorium and manganese. Even the production of chromium is more dangerous. And one of the most disgusting things mining and processing of beryllium. Chromium, manganese, beryllium are disgusting by the action of their oxides. In natural uranium, radioactive zero is zero, tenths
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 19 June 2013 21: 33 New
          +1
          But I do not insist on uranium. It is possible and chrome, and beryllium, but at least the entire periodic table. If only for the benefit of the country, and again the cartridges are saved.
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    1. My address
      My address 18 June 2013 08: 49 New
      +3
      Cool!!!!!!
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 18 June 2013 21: 21 New
        +1
        Deleted! Did not suffer ...
        1. Joker
          Joker 19 June 2013 03: 09 New
          0
          Removed because the mat, and not because they did not suffer.
  10. omsbon
    omsbon 18 June 2013 08: 47 New
    +8
    That time was also very fair, an indicator of this for me is that a minister, a party functionary, a worker and a peasant could sit in the same cell at the same time, only with the first two the demand was stricter.
    1. Thepawlik
      Thepawlik 19 June 2013 02: 29 New
      +1
      Anecdote:
      Three are sitting in the cell, talking about who got here for what:
      First: I, for supporting Party activist Radek!
      Second: and I, for criticizing Party leader Radek ...
      Third: and I am Radek ...

      So something suddenly remembered))) smile
  11. valokordin
    valokordin 18 June 2013 08: 49 New
    +6
    Stalin is our battle glory
    Stalin of our youth flight
    With songs, fighting and winning
    Our people follow Stalin.
    Everyone who barks at Stalin, regardless of position, is the enemy of the country.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 18 June 2013 09: 15 New
      14
      So they bark from powerlessness and hatred that they are insignificant in comparison with I.V. Stalin!
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 18 June 2013 09: 59 New
        +8
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        So they bark from powerlessness and hatred that they are insignificant in comparison with I.V. Stalin!
    2. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 18 June 2013 13: 13 New
      +2
      This is absolutely true - who barks at STALIN, barks at the country, which means the ENEMY OF RUSSIA !!!
  12. Rezun
    Rezun 18 June 2013 09: 08 New
    +7
    In my opinion, Alexander Roslyakov does not admire the “Gulag” period in the history of the development of our country, but what was laid down in this period of time. It is necessary to speak and discuss not “people's” punishments, but problems in the upbringing of society, which events 40- 50s.
    I think the demotivator in the subject ...
    1. ammunition
      ammunition 18 June 2013 12: 21 New
      +8
      Off topic demotivator! ..not the topic ..
      The temple has nothing to do with liberals!
      Such a demotivator concocted some sort of enemy, (((This must be so clever!
      Contrasted our values ​​with each other. Our spiritual support, and our culture.

      For such a demotivator you have to beat the muzzle! angry
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 18 June 2013 14: 33 New
        +1
        Yes, even a demotivator in the subject ...
        Temple .. built on a ferry !!! Self-propelled barge !!
        What, could not be found more valuable than the corps. Well, they would buy a ship like Karl Marx, generally like a river-sea ..
        And here...
      2. Snoop
        Snoop 18 June 2013 14: 59 New
        0
        A good comparison of Soviet and Russian technology, they say, are capable of.
      3. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 18 June 2013 21: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: ammunition
        and such a demotivator must beat the muzzle!

        Could you be more polite? Yesterday, only on another thread we discussed the problem of rudeness and rudeness. You have every right to express your opinion, but leave the same right to the others. If you didn’t like something, argue, but argue IT IS POLICY!
  13. Lukich
    Lukich 18 June 2013 09: 14 New
    +4
    I will subscribe to every word!
  14. tixon444
    tixon444 18 June 2013 09: 16 New
    18
    “Since the death of Stalin, tens of billions of dollars have been spent on his discrediting, primarily in the USSR and Russia. Thousands of pseudo-historical films have been shot, mountains of lies have been piled up, thousands of “historians” are brainwashing people around the world, making Stalin a “horror story” for children. No wonder. The whole bastard of the world hates the man who, during the first 19 years of governing the country, increased its industrial production by almost 70 times and turned it from an African state into the second in the world, and in a number of ways, the first country in the world. ” (Prof. S. Lopatnikov)
    And he defeated the gigantic death machine created by the West specifically for the destruction of Russia - Nazi Germany.

    http://www.greatstalin.ru/
    1. Gari
      Gari 18 June 2013 14: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: tixon444
      “Since the death of Stalin, tens of billions of dollars have been spent on his discrediting, primarily in the USSR and Russia. Thousands of pseudo-historical films have been shot, mountains of lies have been piled up, thousands of “historians”
  15. fenix57
    fenix57 18 June 2013 09: 22 New
    +9
    Quote: cartridge
    I am not a terry Stalinist, but the personality of Stalin evokes my deepest and most sincere respect!


    Quote: domokl
    . The state only then is worth something if it can defend itself ... Lenin. And Stalin probably added-and from internal enemies too


    Quote: sergo0000
    The author has excellent thoughts and conclusions! A huge plus!

    Did not have time to say, everyone said; I didn’t have time to write, so I support with both hands! yes
  16. Sakolik
    Sakolik 18 June 2013 09: 24 New
    +7
    An interesting article written in a competent language, giving answers to most of the criticism of Stalin and his actions, which is poured by liberal-shit-democrats. In my opinion, the colors about the current state of affairs are too thickened, everything is a little, but still better and every day it gets even better, not very, slowly, but still. There are two ways to do everything quickly, but with blood and slowly, gradually, without global upheaval, this way we go, it seems to me. A nation that has no past, no future, our enemies are well aware of this truth and are trying to destroy everything that our ancestors did. The biggest thing we can do is explain to our children and grandchildren that we have a great past and an even greater future! Raise them as true patriots and People with a capital letter.
  17. tixon444
    tixon444 18 June 2013 09: 35 New
    26
    In Paris there is Stalingrad Square and a metro station of the same name. And in Russia there is no such city. Rome is called the "eternal city" because they do not demolish monuments there. If France has monuments to Napoleon, why not monuments to Stalin in Russia? And it’s just that a necessity has long ripened for finally returning to the Russian people Stalingrad! And the stolen victory, too!



    http://stalinism.ru/
    1. folds
      folds 18 June 2013 14: 12 New
      +3
      Because despite the tyranny of Napoleon, the French are proud of him. And all sorts of us are trying to make us hate our history, shy of our fathers and betray our children.
    2. Ulan
      Ulan 18 June 2013 15: 57 New
      +3
      Yes, but in Moscow there is Akhmad Kadyrov’s street, the militant who was killing our soldiers. Then he went over to the side of Russia, but you won’t erase the words from the song, but the streets of Stalin, the supreme commander in the great war, the commander of the great Victory of the Soviet people ... such there is no street. True, they say one of the metro stations in Moscow will be called "Stalingradskaya".
    3. warkop
      warkop 19 June 2013 00: 02 New
      +3
      A program was broadcast on the Chechen channel about the possible renaming of Volgograd to Stalingrad - so what was going on there could not be transmitted. So it was decided there that this will never happen, and no one will be allowed to do it. My personal opinion, this man has earned respect, if only his contemporaries - heads of state spoke about him with respect, as a great strategist, both military and political, and not only during his lifetime. I am for STALINGRAD.
    4. Revolver
      Revolver 19 June 2013 02: 02 New
      +3
      Stalingrad should be. And not even necessarily in memory of Stalin, he went down in history without it. Stalingrad should be in memory of those who lay in its land, but did not let the enemy go any further. They did not fight in Volgograd.
  18. Valery-SPB
    Valery-SPB 18 June 2013 09: 40 New
    +3
    Mr. Roslyakov complained! And who is to blame? Well, it was impossible, in fact, to cover the objective situation that historically arose for Stalin with the "Gulag overcoat." The “Overcoat of the Gulag,” spread over the shoulders of the pseudo-industrialists of Stalin (such as Khrushchev), allowed them to sweep the masses of the innocent with the floors of this overcoat and throw this overcoat onto the shoulders of Stalin alone in time.
    1. Middle-brother
      Middle-brother 18 June 2013 10: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Valery-SPB
      The “Overcoat of the Gulag”, spread over the shoulders of the pseudo-industrialists of Stalin (such as Khrushchev), allowed them to sweep the masses of the innocent with the floors of this overcoat and transfer this overcoat to the shoulders of Stalin alone in time

      well said good
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 18 June 2013 13: 17 New
        0
        Very figuratively and very true ... !!!
  19. 128mgb
    128mgb 18 June 2013 09: 43 New
    +2
    A good rebuff to the offended Soviet authorities, I fully support!
  20. Trapperxnumx
    Trapperxnumx 18 June 2013 09: 48 New
    15
    - Democracy is freedom of freedoms! Everyone has the right to freely express everything he thinks!
    - And I want a monarchy and I do not want gay pride parades.
    - What?! So are you against democracy? Your views are wrong and cannot be combined with the principles of democracy !!!
    - But you yourself said - freely express your opinion !!!
    - Yes, but within the limits of democracy. You are banned.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 18 June 2013 10: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: Trapper7
      Yes, but within a democracy. You are banned.

      Democracy is a necessary thing, but FRAMEWORK must be defined for it, the solution for which must be reproached, and in certain cases it is very tough. Otherwise, it is not DEMOCRACY, but chaos ...
  21. stroporez
    stroporez 18 June 2013 09: 58 New
    +4
    liberals can point a good finger at the shoto and say "we did it"? no ..... from and the whole layout .......
  22. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 18 June 2013 10: 26 New
    +3
    When it comes to the personal skin of a democrat, he understands this very well. But it only comes to the life and health of the nation, of the country — the indicated dialectic immediately disturbs his mind!

    Here is the correct phrase. Our "democrats" think only about their personal ass, and not about the country. They scold Stalin in order to destroy the pride of the Russian people, but they themselves do not create anything. Only destroy.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 20 June 2013 05: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: stock buildbat
      They scold Stalin in order to destroy the pride of the Russian people, but they themselves do not create anything.

      And not only Russian. In 2008, Russian soldiers, entering Gori, specifically searched for a monument to Stalin to salute the Supreme Commander (if I remember the news of those days correctly). And in 2010, Mishiko-eater of ties ordered the monument to be demolished. Which was done.
  23. optimist
    optimist 18 June 2013 10: 35 New
    +3
    Saying "A", the author for some reason does not say "B". After all, before creating new "GULAGs", you need to spread all points on the "I", as they say, i.e. call a thief, a thief; thug, thug; traitor, traitor, etc. And the most important thing is to change the social and political system in the country. For while those whose ideological ancestors ruled before 1917, and then sat in this very Gulag, will simply change the "signage": Our house, Russia; United Russia, ONF, etc., and the stupid bylo will be happy to applaud them, falling into a loyal hysteria, the country will slide ever deeper into such ..ope, from which then it and 10 Stalin will not be pulled ...
  24. krez-74
    krez-74 18 June 2013 10: 38 New
    +5
    The realities of those years were different, the threats were different ... The country built, developed, made a giant leap in industry and education. And in parallel there was the Gulag (although a lot about it was a fiction similar to Solzhenitsyn’s lies!) ... Just then, the state clearly marked the border between white and black! This is now, a thief can sit in the DUMA, or take the minister’s chair, and then such a place was on the other side of the state and its interests!
  25. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 18 June 2013 10: 41 New
    +6
    We must not forget what kind of “inheritance” the Communists inherited when they did not seize power, but lifted it from a deep, deep abyss with shit, where it lay lying on nobody’s bottom, the country was in chaos, war, anarchy, rampant banditry, separatism, surrounded by "friends", spies of all stripes and the list goes on and on ... And in Petrograd Kerensky-Medvedev (demo version) sat and talked, talked, talked, talked right now. Between the October Revolution and the return of the USSR-Russia leaders roughly 36 years passed, and the country was unrecognizable. After the collapse of the USSR in 19, 91 years passed, and the gentlemen of the "democrats" can’t present the results of their work. Nothing but "deepen, expand, revise, plant "not heard.
    1. folds
      folds 18 June 2013 17: 52 New
      +2
      and not jail for merit - but in a warm place, so that he steals and shares ..
  26. tixon444
    tixon444 18 June 2013 10: 46 New
    +6
    Quote: Corsair
    Quote: Trapper7
    Yes, but within a democracy. You are banned.

    Democracy is a necessary thing, but FRAMEWORK must be defined for it, the solution for which must be reproached, and in certain cases it is very tough. Otherwise, it is not DEMOCRACY, but chaos ...


    Current democracy is such a prostitute who has nothing to do with her great-great-great-grandmother from Ancient Greece, and even more so with the true democracy of Veliky Novgorod. And even with socialist democracy in the USSR. A framework is established by criminal or administrative law. And the law, if it is normal and it works, is the same everywhere, both in democracy and autocracy. Democracy in its current form is not needed in Russia, it is better if there is a dictatorship. Putin needs to be tougher with both external and internal "friends."
  27. lexe
    lexe 18 June 2013 10: 47 New
    -23
    All the achievements under Stalin is still a product of tsarist Russia. I also mean product carriers. So do not la la.
    There were bar under the tsar, well, the Stalinists cannot help but kick Russia. And what to draw strength and energy from not denying weak? Moreover, most of the arguments are bland. Russia was a rural country. Where is the peasant better under the tsar or under Stalin? The answer is obvious and not only for peasants. I do not like Stalin. But at the same time, I think Stalin built what is now in China - state capitalism. And with the application for a superpower. I admit it. But I think that for the Russian people there is a more acceptable and better option. To ensure a high standard of living and security a new patch of Stalin-21v. quite capable of it. (if only there was no Trotsky-21v patch.) Monarchy and democracy will be able to do this - it is only in people and not in the form of power in the 21st century. Technologies give space to any form of state system.
    Much more complicated than economic issues is the mental question now. I think Stalin will not help us much in this matter. For the communist idea is dead.
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 18 June 2013 11: 27 New
      +6
      Quote: Lexi
      .For the communist idea is dead.
      The idea cannot be dead, especially communist! The point is to realize it. If it weren’t for the Second World War, I think the Soviet Union and the people would go into that orbit, a fall from which would be impossible in principle! And the antidote to the Khrushchev and the hunchbacked was would be found by the very evolution of this idea and the state of the Soviets, in particular.
      1. lexe
        lexe 18 June 2013 13: 16 New
        -5
        And the Second World War was just a tough test of the communist idea. Brothers and sisters ... epaulets ... recognition of the Christian faith by Stalin in the difficult days of the people ... sang what is most on the front? -Propaganda songs? -Yes ... stupid our Russian people. Wait for the social environment to go through a tough phase according to Stalin, the enemies will not be in the future ... For they are not fools. They will not allow us to build an ideal in vacuum without outside interference. So the system internally should always be ready for a repeat of 1941. Why do we need an idea without people?
      2. ed65b
        ed65b 18 June 2013 14: 45 New
        -1
        There was no antidote to the Khrushchev and Gorbachev, as the ossified structure cannot give birth to bright personalities; it eats them. Which is what happened. And the old communist regime degenerated from its womb the forever second Humpbacked, and he, in turn, was the yeltsin Yeltsin and both were uro..you remember the second one yourself, but how can uro..d do something well?
    2. lexe
      lexe 18 June 2013 12: 13 New
      -2
      quote] To ensure a high standard of living and security, a new patch of Stalin-21v. quite capable of itself. [/ quote]
      What do the Stalinist comrades disagree with? laughing
      But Stalinist architecture clearly says that Stalin wanted something more than the leveling of Khrushchev laughing
      Well, the Stalinists (according to the leader’s name) do not want a high standard of living of the people and the bast! Stalin simply extravagantly (the communist idea) returned Russia to its natural state - the Empire! The communist idea was for him a means, a device if you like. And all of Stalin's followers returned to a means for the sake of means. A vicious circle. That's the collapse of the USSR.
    3. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 18 June 2013 13: 30 New
      +2
      Lyaksey very rightly noticed (if only there were no Trotsky), but the Trotsky in power, like a dog’s fleas !!! Here they are stirring up water! But under Stalin there was justice and the communist idea had nothing to do with it! A thief should be in prison, not in the Duma !!!
    4. Ulan
      Ulan 18 June 2013 16: 01 New
      0
      Not quite so. If a person was born in tsarist Russia, this does not mean that he is the bearer of her achievements.
      I’ll remind you that in tsarist Russia there was absolutely no car manufacturing, tractor building, tank building, aircraft building, rocket building engine building and aircraft and auto. And much more. So much had to be created from scratch. That is why without a victory in the Second World War would have been impossible.
      1. lexe
        lexe 18 June 2013 17: 28 New
        0
        And there wasn’t yet in tsarist Russia: nuclear submarines, C-300, nuclear power plants, computers, mobile phones, and most importantly! TV and such a "good night, kids" program. laughing
        And where do you now think of the footage on all TV channels? Many have gone through the harsh school of state television of the USSR. now they’re working sternly. With the new house-2 format.
    5. STALGRAD76
      STALGRAD76 18 June 2013 16: 49 New
      0
      I’m so telling you that it’s “dead”, now it’s “fashionable” and profitable to be in the trend of the current state of affairs, everyone needs to earn money to advance, and on the sidelines conversations are exactly the opposite, and these conversations are not in factory smoking rooms, and most active businessmen do not mind living with socialism.
      Differentiation of raspberry pants in action, shout louder ku! can you break off the soldering from the master's table ......
    6. d_trader
      d_trader 18 June 2013 20: 41 New
      0
      Read the book "Generalissimo" by Vladimir Karpov, a writer who himself suffered during the years of repression and who wrote such a wonderful book about this great man.
  28. Soviet_Union
    Soviet_Union 18 June 2013 10: 54 New
    +6
    "it was birth","And our present freedom will give birth to one slavish ignorance"
    the author has hit the nail on the head.
  29. screw cutter
    screw cutter 18 June 2013 10: 59 New
    17
    When dying, Stalin left the "stash" of 2 tons to his successors. The fate of the "Stalinist nest egg" under his successors is interesting. Khrushchev and Brezhnev were spenders - 500 tons remained after the corncracker, 1 tons remained after the author of the Malaya Zemlya. Andropov and Chernenko were more prolific owners, with them the stock grew to 600 tons. Gorbachev destroyed the gold reserve of the Red Empire - the Russian Federation only 437 tons passed from the USSR. It should be noted that at that time 719 tons of gold per year were mined only in the RSFSR. Putin got 290 tons; by 220, the stock had grown to 384 tons.
    Stalin challenged the possibility of the United States to parasitize on the sale of the dollar (paper). 1 March 1950 was published in Soviet newspapers by the Soviet Government decree on the discontinuation of the determination of the exchange rate of the ruble against foreign currencies on the basis of the American dollar. The Soviet ruble was transferred to a stable gold base, its gold content in 0,222168 grams of pure gold was established. From 1 in March, the purchase price of the State Bank for gold in 4 rubles was set. 45 cop for 1 gr pure gold. Based on the gold content of the ruble, the exchange rate was set for foreign currencies: for 1 US dollar 4 ruble (instead of former 5 p. 30 cop.), For 1 pound sterling - 11 rub. 20 kop. (instead of 14 R.84 cop.). The exchange rate has also changed for other foreign currencies. Later, a similar focus with the United States will turn on the “last great Frenchman,” General de Gaulle. He will collect 750 million paper dollars in France and in the 1967 year during an official visit to the States with a scandal, but he will exchange paper for gold (the gold standard was still maintained in the USA). In Paris, de Gaulle brought almost 66,5 tons of gold. True, for him personally it ended badly. Already in May, the 1968 of the year "began" the famous student unrest, which led to the resignation of the general. 9 November 1970, Charles de Gaulle died suddenly from aortic rupture.
    In the field of providing the population with housing it was under Stalin that in 1952, a program of industrial construction, mass housing construction, was adopted. This program was recorded in the merits of Khrushchev. However, the “merit” of Khrushchev was that he reduced the ceiling height of apartments from 3 meters to 2.25 (according to the American standard), reduced the area, reduced the number of floors from 12-16 floors to 5, removed balconies, elevators, and garbage disposal, combined bathrooms and toilets and reduced the lifespan of housing — from 100 years to less than 50.
    1. Bekzat
      Bekzat 18 June 2013 17: 18 New
      +1
      THANKS DEDICATED, + DEAR TO YOU !!! GREETINGS TO ALL.
    2. dropout
      dropout 18 June 2013 20: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: screw cutter
      . However, Khrushchev’s “merit” was that he reduced the ceiling height of apartments from 3 meters to 2.25 (according to the American standard), reduced the area, reduced the number of floors from 12-16 floors to 5, removed balconies, elevators, and garbage chutes, combined bathrooms and toilets and reduced the life of the housing - from 100 years to less than 50.

      I’m already quite old. I remember the joke of those times.

      For small apartments, they invented a small pot. With a handle inside.
  30. screw cutter
    screw cutter 18 June 2013 11: 00 New
    21
    Stalin was a global politician and high-class manager, which allowed him to split Western civilization and, in the war with the German bloc, receive help from another part of the West. Moreover, Stalin was able to outplay the "world behind the scenes" and after the war the USSR became even stronger, expanded, created its own socialist bloc. He worked on 12-15 hours a day. He knew and tracked all the leading scientific and technical developments. He knew by name and patronymic of all managers of enterprises, leading scientists, designers and other people employed in important posts in the field of management, science and culture. He tried to delve into all aspects of life and life of people. He knew and understood the role of art, theater, cinema, literature, poetry in shaping the consciousness of man and society as a whole. Stalin watched movies, regularly went to the theater, tracked the output of literary works, giving his instructions. Thus, the Soviet people were protected from informational "viruses", other people's programs.

    Stalin was very hard on asking managers. They received many benefits: apartments, company cars, cottages, special rations, special maintenance, etc. But there was also a great demand from them, there were no "untouchables". Modern Russian researcher Yuri Mukhin in his popular book “Stalin's murderers. The main secret of the 20th century ”(2007) suggested that shortly before his death, the Soviet leader began to prepare a reform of the party, which was to remove the party rule from state power. The Communist Party was supposed to educate the people. This was the main (internal) motive for the murder of Stalin. Khrushchev and other party members did not want to lose power, because she gave them unprecedented privileges and material well-being.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 18 June 2013 13: 35 New
      +2
      1000 ++++++++++++++++ ...
    2. vilenich
      vilenich 18 June 2013 14: 46 New
      +3
      But again, Stalin was right when he argued that the class struggle was not weakening. After 1917, 75 years passed, the party elite in the absence of a process of self-cleaning and rotation became fat and believed in the inviolability of the foundations of their power. And what a result! Gorbachev, having tremendous power in his hands, ruined the country, businessmen (or, in other words, NEPmans) climbed out, who, together with the shit, finished off and tore apart the great power.
    3. Ulan
      Ulan 18 June 2013 16: 25 New
      +5
      Stalin was not omnipotent. Recently, Zhukov, a doctor of historical sciences, said that an interesting document had been discovered - a draft of the new USSR law on elections. Author Stalin. According to this draft, the elections were to be held on an adversarial basis, at least two candidates for a seat, etc. must be involved. However, the Central Committee opposed and did not approve the draft.
      By the way, some researchers believe that the draft of this law served as a trigger for local elites to unleash reprisals, in this way they tried to eliminate possible competitors if this law were passed.
      Many historians call the local elites the initiators of the repressions. For what they later paid. Of the first secretaries of the regional committees, and the republics, only Khrushchev remained.
      Stalin, of course, took advantage of this situation to get rid of Trotsky and his followers, the demons of the world revolution, who dreamed of arranging a bundle of firewood from Russia to kindle the fire of the world revolution.
      1. folds
        folds 18 June 2013 18: 00 New
        0
        Khrushchev, having done things in Moscow and feeling threatened, quickly dumped in Ukraine ..
        1. Tverichanka
          Tverichanka 18 June 2013 21: 47 New
          0
          Quote: plis
          Khrushchev, having done things in Moscow and feeling threatened, quickly dumped in Ukraine ..

          What period are you talking about? Can you clarify?
  31. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 18 June 2013 11: 03 New
    +8
    Under Stalin, science, art, industry developed. He was a statesman.
    1. Uhe
      Uhe 18 June 2013 12: 18 New
      +6
      And the number of the Russian people has increased, and now we are dying out, because the Russians and capitalism, the Russians and the oligarchy, the Russians and the dominant thieves are not compatible.
  32. Astartes
    Astartes 18 June 2013 11: 07 New
    13
    The author, to whom to make excuses ?? People of good will and healthy common sense have understood you, and "liberals" homegrown will always hiss and spit poison only when mentioning the name of Stalin.
  33. Commissar of the NKVD
    Commissar of the NKVD 18 June 2013 11: 10 New
    +7
    Quote: bubla5
    It’s time for shit, the embryos of a drunken Ural drunk, on barges and at sea, and there is a torpedo test.

    Yes? And who will work for the treason in the Gulag? Who will work out the damage that they caused? Soaking them is a simple matter, and then again, to ordinary people, to tear the veins? destroyed - let them restore and earn at least the right to an honorable death.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 18 June 2013 13: 36 New
      +1
      1000 +++++++ ...
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 18 June 2013 14: 40 New
      -3
      And by what measure is measurability treason and damage ?????? denunciations of evidence and triplets knocked out under torture. Here you have the whole set.
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 18 June 2013 15: 36 New
        +4

        ANTI-PEOPLE

        VIDEO INTERESTING
      2. Egevich
        Egevich 18 June 2013 19: 57 New
        +2
        I think that you went down the mountains from the mountains and accidentally discovered the Internet? .. do you know what the “troika” is in general and how much has it existed for all? .. or do you a priori consider criminal and political rabble as innocent victims? with that kind of logic - you're definitely another brainwashing victim ...
  34. Commissar of the NKVD
    Commissar of the NKVD 18 June 2013 11: 14 New
    +6
    STALIN ... ACCEPTED RUSSIA WITH SOKHA, AND LEFT WITH ATOMIC WEAPONS "(W. Churchill". Govnokrats accepted a rich and strong country, and left ...
    1. lexe
      lexe 18 June 2013 12: 22 New
      -6
      And now, plow is nuclear weapons. For what nuclear weapons if there is no plow? The earth is empty without people ...
      Churchill can also quote other words about our revolution ... Stalinists very well quote positive quotes from our enemies laughing How long will you feed us with the quotes of enemies? They will also not be so singing, be sure.
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 18 June 2013 13: 38 New
        +2
        Already in Syria, they justified ... Obama keeps them as equals ..
      2. Ulan
        Ulan 18 June 2013 16: 28 New
        +2
        Well, quote it. There was only plow, hundreds of thousands of tractors, combines, cars, in the countryside. The land did not become empty under Stalin, under Stalin the population of the USSR grew. The land is empty today.
    2. Hleb
      Hleb 19 June 2013 06: 06 New
      0
      the fact that Churchill respected Stalin at least in public is known. but you (along with the pluses) at least go through the whole British encyclopedia, you won’t be able to find and prove Churchill’s belonging to this phrase.
  35. Strashila
    Strashila 18 June 2013 11: 26 New
    +2
    As Winnie the Pooh used to say ... it’s not so bad. The main customer of the topic is West. Russia doesn’t have anything to hide, but the West, we have everything we need and should not be put on public display that can’t be said about lovers of liberalism and shit democracy, they have the West transparent urine of a baby ... you can drip into the eyes. On the methods of solving depression in the United States they do not like to remember ... the same camps where the miserables were driven under pain of starvation, Britain decided everything very simply for street children and homeless people, but just children from large families, quietly fused into labor slavery in their colonies. Yes, and in the modern States, the proportion of prisoners to the population outnumbered the times of the Gulag of the Soviet era ... and not even silence ... not a word about repression .
  36. deman73
    deman73 18 June 2013 11: 42 New
    +3
    First, let all sorts of liberals and shitmen carefully read the documents and then yell about the Gulag, and even more so for their beloved Yankees, the so-called Gulag
  37. agbykov
    agbykov 18 June 2013 11: 56 New
    +4
    A tree is known by its fruits.
  38. ed65b
    ed65b 18 June 2013 12: 12 New
    -12
    What are you people ohriel ????? which gulag do you want to return ?????? I personally do not want and my children do not want friends and acquaintances. Do you want to build a new society on the bones of the people? Factories, factories, another Volga-Don canal. I am not an admirer of Stalin's talent and not a denigrant of all that he has done. but he really put a bunch of people in the camps. You can not believe Solzhenitsyn and the hut But the documents of the same Gulag on profit-loss and the rate of rations can be trusted. the situation was awful and the people of the measures in the north like flies. and gold mining was also paid for in deaths. I do not agree with the author. Magadans, if any, they will tell you about the delights of the barracks life. It is full of these monuments. and roads where every kilometer built by the bones of prisoners is showered. and you are the gulag, the gulag.
    1. volkodav
      volkodav 18 June 2013 13: 07 New
      +3
      try to organize production now, our authorities will be worse than the Gulag.
    2. volkodav
      volkodav 18 June 2013 13: 08 New
      +2
      under Stalin, the Magadans would have long lived in stone houses and not barracks, and they had a special share with them
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 18 June 2013 14: 13 New
        -3
        As Magadans lived under Stalin in barracks, they would have lived like that. And many of the Magadans are the ancestors of the prisoners who served there.
    3. Ulan
      Ulan 18 June 2013 16: 31 New
      +2
      I don’t believe Shalamov and Solzhenitsyn. Shalamov went to activists in the camp and enjoyed relative freedom. His story “The last fight of Major Pugachev” completely distorts the event that actually took place. For this, Shalamov needed to lie, he knows only.
    4. Kazanok
      Kazanok 19 June 2013 00: 18 New
      -1
      I support ... the crowd of ancestors yells about the gulag .. I really want these trepachki there to die .. the people went crazy .. advocate the death factory .... all of you are happy with your children and relatives to die at the construction sites of the new Russia .. !!
      1. Rattenfanger
        Rattenfanger 19 June 2013 03: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Kazanok
        I’m happy for your children and relatives to die at the construction sites of the new Russia ..

        Do you pass a psychiatrist for a bribe?
  39. sincman
    sincman 18 June 2013 12: 22 New
    +2
    How can you build a future with such eyes blindly filled with hatred of the past? Yes, the past, our only pride now, can be trampled like that - judging by the introduction of the brainless anti-Stalinist doctrine into the hearts, somehow it turns out. But to create something new in this way is incredible.

    If we understand that the purpose and essence of the de-Stalinisers and liberals is to prevent the development and rise of the country according to Stalin’s patterns in any way, then everything falls into place - both hatred eyes and an unprincipled blasphemy against everything that we had!
    1. volkodav
      volkodav 18 June 2013 12: 59 New
      +5
      the only person who was not afraid in the multinational USSR to say thanks to the Russian people after the Second World War
  40. stroporez
    stroporez 18 June 2013 12: 27 New
    +3
    "....... On the site of the LGBT community, a survey began on the support of candidates for mayor of Moscow. Blogger Alexei Navalny was a leader by a huge margin. Previously, he was officially nominated as the candidate for the head of the capital from the RPR-PARNAS party ... .......... "it is quite clear who the" opposition "is ........
    1. volkodav
      volkodav 18 June 2013 13: 06 New
      +3
      the answer is obvious only to gays, well, and their shock power is fighting pi ... sy
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 19 June 2013 08: 53 New
        -1
        Quote: volkodav
        battle pi ... sy
        ---- class !!! wassat
  41. alexander.4
    alexander.4 18 June 2013 12: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: Commissioner of the NKVD
    STALIN ... ACCEPTED RUSSIA WITH SOKHA, AND LEFT WITH ATOMIC WEAPONS "(W. Churchill". Govnokrats accepted a rich and strong country, and left ...

    A govnokrad leave Russia with a plow naked.
  42. knn54
    knn54 18 June 2013 13: 49 New
    +2
    Under Stalin's camps, prisons served to isolate criminals from society.
    Now the length of isolation of those who disagree with the local authorities and the so-called "elite".
  43. EDW
    EDW 18 June 2013 13: 53 New
    0
    In the Stalinist topic, only discussions of LGBT and Anal were still lacking.
  44. Severok
    Severok 18 June 2013 13: 58 New
    +2
    To Alexander Roslyakov, my respect for this work! Continue in the same spirit! Let the turbidity rise, the truth always causes pain in the eyes and wild cries of those who do not want to see it!
  45. Vtel
    Vtel 18 June 2013 14: 03 New
    +8
    And the Gulag became for us such an extreme case as a result of the terrible economic and human devastation caused by the civil war. She, with all her mutual hatred, was the result of wild injustice in tsarist Russia, where alone, in a bar, they had everything without difficulty; others bent on those backs - nothing.

    And right now something has changed?
    Russian President Vladimir Putin expects the transfer of the Schneerson collection to the Jewish Museum and Center for storage tolerance in Moscow will put an end to the debate around this meeting,
    "The decision to nationalize this library was made by the first Soviet government, and its members were approximately 80-85% Jews. But they, guided by false ideological considerations, then went to the arrests and repressions of both Jews and Orthodox, and representatives of other faiths, Muslims, they rowed all under one comb, "said Putin.

    Speech Text Stalin, he personally edited and uttered on May 24, 1945:
    “I would like to raise a toast to the health of our Soviet people, and above all, the Russian people.
    I drink primarily for the health of the Russian people because it is the most outstanding nation of all the nations that make up the Soviet Union.
    I raise a toast to the health of the Russian people because they have earned general recognition in this war as the leading force of the Soviet Union among all the peoples of our country.
    I make a toast to the health of the Russian people, not only because they are the leading people, but also because they have a clear mind, strong character and patience.
    Our government had many mistakes, we had moments of desperate situation in 1941–42, when our army retreated, left our native villages and cities of Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, the Leningrad Region, the Baltic States, the Karelian-Finnish Republic, left because it didn’t there was another way. Other people could tell the Government: you did not live up to our expectations, go away, we will set up another government that will make peace with Germany and provide us with peace.
    But the Russian people did not go for it, for they believed in the correctness of the policies of their government and made sacrifices to ensure the defeat of Germany. And this confidence of the Russian people in the Soviet Government turned out to be the decisive force that ensured a historic victory over the enemy of mankind - over fascism.
    Thanks to him, the Russian people, for this trust!
    For the health of the Russian people! ”

    And here is also for our health, but from kosher:

    Trotsky-Bronstein: “We must turn Russia into a desert inhabited by white Negroes, to whom we will give such tyranny that we did not dream of the most terrible despots of the East ... We will shed such streams of blood that all human losses of capitalist wars shudder and pale. The largest bankers from across the ocean will work in close contact with us. If we win the revolution, crush Russia, then on the debris of it we will strengthen the power of Zionism and become such a force that the whole world falls to its knees ... ”
    Even then there were a lot of them in power, but now it’s generally unreasonable - and what is the demand from Stalin alone?
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  47. ed65b
    ed65b 18 June 2013 14: 16 New
    -8
    Do not forget that the Trotsky organizer and founder of concentration camps. And Stalin was the continuation of this tradition.
    Does anyone know what shooting villages are ??????? This is the lovers of Stalin.
    And bombs divided into republics and autonomous territories within republics ???? Here you have Karabakh, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, etc.
    The author remembered about the soul of the people and who blew up the temples and drove priests in batches in the zones ???? the pope. No, your beloved Stalin and his minions. Wives and children were refused for fear. But to Rokosovsky all the teeth in the NKVD were beaten-the enemy of the people ?????
    1. Snoop
      Snoop 18 June 2013 15: 28 New
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      ALL LIQUID COMMUNITIES, COMMUNITIES, REGIONAL TO [OMIT] THERE, NATIONAL] Central Committee and Bureau of the Central Committee. CIRCULAR LETTER of the Central Committee of the RCP No. 30 (On Relation to Religious Organizations).

      The Central Committee invites all party organizations to pay the most serious attention to a number of serious violations committed by some organizations in the field of anti-religious propaganda and, in general, in the field of relations with believers and their cults.

      The party program says: "it is necessary to carefully avoid any insult to the feelings of believers, leading only to the consolidation of religious fanaticism." Resolution XI of the 1st Party Congress on anti-religious agitation and propaganda confirms that “deliberately harsh methods, often practiced in the center and in the localities, mockery of objects of faith and worship instead of serious analysis and explanation, do not accelerate but make it difficult to free the working masses from religious prejudice. ”

      Meanwhile, some of our local organizations systematically violate these clear and definite directives of the party program and party congress ...

      Further, Stalin gives numerous examples of abuse of Orthodox churches and repressions of the clergy:

      “These, and similar to them, numerous examples with sufficient brightness testify to how carelessly, frivolously, frivolously some local organizations of the Party and local authorities treat such an important issue as the issue of freedom of religious belief. These organizations and authorities apparently do not understand that by their rude, tactless actions against believers, representing the vast majority of the population, they inflict innumerable harm to the Soviet regime, threaten to disrupt the party’s achievements in the field of church corruption and risk playing into the hands of counter-revolution.

      Based on the foregoing, the Central Committee decides:

      1) to prohibit the closure of churches, prayer rooms ... for reasons of non-fulfillment of administrative orders for registration, and where such a closure took place - to cancel immediately;

      2) to prohibit the liquidation of prayer rooms, buildings, etc. by voting at meetings with the participation of unbelievers or outsiders to the group of believers that has concluded a contract for a room or building;

      3) to forbid the liquidation of prayer rooms, buildings, etc. for non-payment of taxes, since such liquidation was not allowed in strict accordance with the instructions of the NKJ 1918 p. II;

      4) to forbid arrests of a “religious nature”, since they are not connected with the clearly counter-revolutionary acts of “ministers of the church” and believers;

      5) when renting out premises to religious societies and setting rates, strictly observe the decree of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee of 29 / III-23;

      6) to explain to party members that our success in decomposing the church and eradicating religious prejudices does not depend on persecution of believers - persecution only strengthens religious prejudices, but on tactful attitude towards believers with patient and thoughtful criticism of religious prejudices, with serious historical coverage of the idea God, cult and religion, etc .;

      7) to lay the responsibility for the implementation of this directive on the secretaries of the province committees, regional committees, regional bureau, national Central Committees and regional committees personally.

      At the same time, the Central Committee warns that such an attitude towards the church and believers should not, however, weaken the vigilance of our organizations in the sense of carefully observing that the church and religious societies do not turn religion into an instrument of counter-revolution.

      Secretary of the Central Committee I. Stalin. 16 / VIII-23 g.
      1. Snoop
        Snoop 18 June 2013 16: 05 New
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        Workers of all countries, unite! STRICTLY SECRET

        All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks). CENTRAL COMMITTEE

        № 1037 / 19

        September 12, 1933 to Comrade Menzhinsky V.R. 12.09.1933/XNUMX/XNUMX

        In the period from 1920 to 1930, 150 churches were completely destroyed in Moscow and in the surrounding areas. 300 of them (the remaining) were converted into factory shops, clubs, dormitories, prisons, isolation wards and colonies for adolescents and street children.

        Architectural development plans include the demolition of more than 500 remaining structures of churches and churches.

        Based on the foregoing, the Central Committee considers it impossible to design buildings due to the destruction of temples and churches, which should be considered architectural monuments of ancient Russian architecture.

        The organs of Soviet power and the workers 'and peasants' police of the OGPU are obliged to take measures (up to disciplinary and party responsibility) to protect the architectural monuments of ancient Russian architecture.

        SECRETARY OF THE CC
    2. Ulan
      Ulan 18 June 2013 15: 37 New
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      You do not know history and repeat fables. The Stalin project of the territorial structure of Russia provided for the division only into autonomous republics without any right of exit. What you are writing about is the Leninist version, which he was selling under the threat of leaving the Central Committee. At the expense of the temples, this was to Trotsky, Sverdlov, namely under Stalin, the Central Committee issued a decree on the termination of Lenin’s decree on the fight against religion. It was under Stalin that the patriarchate was restored and thousands of priests were released from the camps by Beria. Rokossovsky did not become one of the great commanders under Stalin and country marshals? Claims to those who slandered Rokossovsky and not to those who figured out, released, released, made it possible to show the talent of the commander and rewarded what he deserved.
      The founders of the British camps, who were the first in the world to arrange them during the Boer War. Learn history and do not attribute Stalin to other people's sins, he has plenty of his own, like any great person and politician.
    3. Snoop
      Snoop 18 June 2013 15: 47 New
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      In general, there was a struggle over religion within the party. Some believed that it was necessary to fight religion ideologically through clarification and enlightenment (Kalinin, Stalin, etc.), on the other hand, comrades who brought communist atheism to absurdity, and believed that religion should be squeezed out by force using the Bolshevik slogans (Trotsky and comrades). Then I drove the text of the resolution signed by Stalin, demanding not to violate the party’s instructions regarding the attitude to religion and the fight against it by educating the masses.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 18 June 2013 16: 00 New
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        Do not distort. When Kirdyk loomed over the country in the form of Adolf, then your Stalin remembered the people, brothers, sisters, churches and gods, royal shoulder straps and orders of Nakhimov Ushakov Kutuzov, etc. And before this camp executions, collectivization, hunger, poverty and all the delights of Soviet life, and he did this together with all of you dearly beloved Trotsky and Bonch Brunevich. And you need to learn and teach history, and do not bow before a monster, though great.
        1. Snoop
          Snoop 18 June 2013 16: 10 New
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          Beloved Trotsky? Collapsed from oak, or something)))
          The destruction of the Russian Orthodox Church and the repression of worshipers was an action of Trotsky and his supporters. Thereby provoke a persistent hostility of the Orthodox Bolsheviks to power. And the action was successful, as you can see)))
          But the decisions of Stalin when he completely took power into his own hands.
          Workers of all countries, unite! STRICTLY SECRET

          All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks). CENTRAL COMMITTEE

          No. 1697/13 11. 11. 1939 to comrade Beria L. P.

          Extract from protocol No. 98 of the meeting of the Politburo of the Central Committee of 11.11.1939

          Decision of November 11, 1939 Religious Issues.

          In relation to religion, ministers of the Russian Orthodox Church and Orthodox believers, the Central Committee decides:

          1). To recognize the practice of bodies of the NKVD of the USSR as regards the arrests of ministers of the Russian Orthodox Church and the persecution of believers.

          2). The instruction of comrade Ulyanov (Lenin) of May 1, 1919 No. 13666-2 “On the fight against priests and religion”, addressed to before. The Cheka to comrade Dzerzhinsky and all relevant instructions of the Cheka - OGPU - NKVD regarding the persecution of ministers of the Russian Orthodox Church and the righteous believers - to cancel.

          3). The NKVD of the USSR to revise convicted and arrested citizens in cases related to religious services. Release from custody and replace the punishment with non-custodial sentences for convicted persons for the indicated reasons, if the activities of these citizens did not harm the Soviet regime.

          4). The question of the fate of believers in custody and in prisons belonging to other faiths will be decided further by the Central Committee.

          SECRETARY OF THE CC
        2. Snoop
          Snoop 18 June 2013 16: 13 New
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          Here is Beria’s answer:

          SECRET CENTRAL COMMITTEE

          ALL-Union Communist Party of the USSR (Bolsheviks) PEOPLE'S COMMISSARIAT SECRETARIAT

          DOMESTIC AFFAIRS 22. 12. 30. On December 22, 1939 to comrade STALIN and. V. No. 1227 "B" 224989, MOSCOW

          REFERENCE

          In pursuance of the decision of the PB CC of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks of November 11, 1939, for No. 1697/13, 12 people were released from the GULAG camps of the NKVD of the USSR, convicted on different sentences, 860 were released from custody. Criminal proceedings against them have been discontinued. More than 11 people continue to serve their sentences, whose activities have brought significant harm to Soviet power.

          The personal files of these citizens will be reviewed. Some 15 more are expected to be released.

          PEOPLE'S COMMISSIONER OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF THE USSR

          (L. BERIA) December 22, 1939
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 18 June 2013 16: 34 New
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            This is you lover of acorns
            1 February 1954 city
            To the Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Comrade Khrushchev N.S.
            In connection with the signals received by a number of persons from the CPSU Central Committee about the illegal conviction for counter-revolutionary crimes in previous years by the OGPU Board, the NKVD Troika, the Special Conference, the Military Collegium, the courts and military tribunals, and in accordance with your instructions on the need to review cases against persons convicted of counter-revolutionary crimes and now held in camps and prisons, we report: during the period from 1921 to the present time, 3.777.380 people were sentenced for counter-revolutionary crimes, including 642.980 people were sentenced to VMN, to imprisonment in camps and prisons 25 years and below - 2.369.220, in exile and deportation - 765.180 people.

            Of the total number of convicts, tentatively, the following were convicted: 2.900.000 people - by the OGPU Board, the NKVD Troika and the Special Conference and 877.000 people - by the courts, military tribunals, the Special Collegium and the Military Collegium.

            ... It should be noted that created by the Decree of the Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR of November 5, 1934, the Special Meeting at the NKVD of the USSR, which lasted until September 1, 1953, sentenced 442.531 people, including 10.101 people to VMN, freedom of detention - 360.921 people, to exile and expulsion (within the country) - 57.539 people and other penalties (offsetting the time spent in custody, expulsion abroad, compulsory treatment) - 3.970 people ...

            Attorney General R. Rudenko
            Minister of the Interior S. Kruglov
            Minister of Justice K. Gorshenin
            1. Snoop
              Snoop 18 June 2013 17: 05 New
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              God ... and are they all innocent? ... if without jokes you think so seriously? After the Civil War? There were no dissatisfied? No one secretly spoiled the new government? All stupidly resigned? Sorry, this does not happen in nature) And such gentlemen are included in these numbers. And the notorious counter-revolutionary crimes, these are acts provided for by Art. 58 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR or the corresponding articles of the Criminal Code of the Union Republics:
              58-1. Any action aimed at overthrowing, undermining or weakening the power of the workers 'and peasants' councils and the ones elected by them, on the basis of the Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the constitutions of the Union republics, workers 'and peasants' governments of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, union and autonomous republics, or to undermine or weaken the external security of the Union, is recognized as counter-revolutionary. SSR and the main economic, political and national gains of the proletarian revolution.
              By virtue of the international solidarity of the interests of all workers, the same actions are recognized as counter-revolutionary even when they are aimed at any other workers' state, even if it is not a member of the USSR.
              Counter-revolution is a modern illegal attempt to overthrow the existing system. Under anti-Soviet activity, the struggle against the Soviet regime with extreme actions, that is, extremist.
            2. Snoop
              Snoop 18 June 2013 17: 09 New
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              58-1a. Treason to the Motherland, i.e. actions committed by citizens of the USSR to the detriment of the military power of the USSR, its state independence or the inviolability of its territory, such as espionage, the issuance of military or state secrets, switching to the enemy’s side, flight or flight abroad, are punishable by capital punishment - execution with confiscation of all property, and under extenuating circumstances - imprisonment for a term of 10 years with confiscation of all property.
              58-1b. The same crimes committed by military personnel are punishable by capital punishment - execution with confiscation of all property.
              58-1c. In case of a soldier’s flight or flight abroad, adult members of his family, if they contributed to the impending or perfect treason, or at least knew about it, but did not bring it to the attention of the authorities, are punished with imprisonment of 5 to 10 years with confiscation of all property. The remaining adult members of the traitor's family who lived with him or were dependent on him at the time the crime was committed are subject to deprivation of voting rights and exile to remote areas of Siberia for 5 years.
            3. Snoop
              Snoop 18 June 2013 17: 18 New
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              generally I will not rape your brains, I will say right away at Art. 58 as many as 14 parts. And actually they are all present in the Criminal Code in one form or another.
              Let's say 58-8. The commission of terrorist acts directed against representatives of the Soviet government or leaders of revolutionary workers and peasant organizations, and the participation in the implementation of such acts, even by persons not belonging to the counter-revolutionary organization, entail social protection measures specified in Articles 58-2 of this Code. We take and calmly open Art. 205 of the Criminal Code - terrorism. Widely advertised by liberals 58-10. Propaganda or agitation containing a call for the overthrow, undermining or weakening of Soviet power or for the commission of certain counter-revolutionary crimes (Articles 58-2 - 58-9 of this Code), as well as distribution or production or storage of literature of the same content entail - imprisonment for a term of not less than six months. We take the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and look at Art. 280 Public calls for violent change in the constitutional order of the Russian Federation
              1. Public calls for a violent seizure of power, forcible retention of power or forcible change of the constitutional system of the Russian Federation -
              shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of five hundred to seven hundred minimum wages or in the amount of wages or other income of the convicted person for a period of five to seven months, or by arrest for a term of four to six months, or imprisonment for a term of up to three years.
              2. The same acts committed using the mass media -
              shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of seven hundred to one thousand minimum wages or in the amount of the wage or other income of the convicted person for a period of seven months to one year or by imprisonment for a term of up to five years.
            4. Ulan
              Ulan 18 June 2013 17: 32 New
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              So what? Have you ever looked at dates? the beginning of the 21st year, there was still a civil war, Stalin was not yet the leader of the country, but are you trying to ascribe this to Stalin? And are you trying to say something about literacy in questions of history? And how many of those listed are innocent? ALL? Well here, as they say, comments are superfluous.
        3. Ulan
          Ulan 18 June 2013 17: 27 New
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          Are you talking to me? Sorry, but I’m used to using facts and documents, you’re constantly throwing out emotions only. It’s not interesting to me. Facts and figures say something completely different. Learn the subject and not use slogans.
        4. Kazanok
          Kazanok 19 June 2013 00: 24 New
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          that's right .. the baleen bastard just then remembered crap about his brothers and sisters when the adik pressed him in Moscow already ... and chased Disi over the capital like a masquerade in a fit of madness and toothless cowardice ...
      2. Ulan
        Ulan 18 June 2013 16: 54 New
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        Khrushchev renewed the repression against the church by Stalin after his death. It is to him that the phrase belongs - with me you will see the last priest.
    4. viktorR
      viktorR 18 June 2013 19: 38 New
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      The first end of the camp was formed in England.
      Does anyone know what shooting villages are ??????? This is the lovers of Stalin.

      Well, what you ... enlighten us ... References please.
      And bombs divided into republics and autonomous territories within republics ???? Here you have Karabakh, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, etc.

      It can be interpreted this way, but it can be interpreted as preserving the culture of the nationalities inhabiting these autonomies. And note, not one nation "blood tyrant" has not destroyed

      The author remembered about the soul of the people and who blew up the temples and drove priests in batches in the zones ???? the pope. No, your beloved Stalin and his minions. Wives and children were refused for fear.
      I still think you mean Trotsky
      About Rokasovsky: Then there was a plot of Tukhachevsky, it had to be checked.
    5. Kazanok
      Kazanok 19 June 2013 00: 21 New
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      that's right ... communism is the most terrible evil on earth .. and it doesn’t matter if the mustachioed Satan or Trotsky is anyway .. anyway geeks of the human race .. communism is the worst evil ...
      1. BASHKIR
        BASHKIR 19 June 2013 07: 32 New
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        EVIL is democracy covering anything !!!
  48. Bakunin
    Bakunin 18 June 2013 14: 20 New
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    It is a pity that Joseph Vissarionovich did not leave a successor ...
  49. bomg.77
    bomg.77 18 June 2013 14: 55 New
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    Yeah .... They want to equate Stalin with the Persian Aman to celebrate yet another Purim. They only say bad things, never remembering that an atomic bomb was created four years after the war, thousands of factories and hundreds of metallurgy giants were built before the war and they forget that the USSR did not sit on oil and gas then. The USSR developed in all directions: science, military industry, space, automotive industry, light industry, etc., as Stalin said, we do not have only rubber, and we will build the rest, get! at that time comrade the arens were 95% Soviet, the only thing that they willingly imported from the West was technology to make them allied. Gulag, say, they’re sitting no less in number, and by and large, three million can still be planted such as Serdyukov, Chubais, Abramovich and the rest of Vichy
  50. Black
    Black 18 June 2013 15: 11 New
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    Quote: ed65b
    Wives and children were refused for fear.

    And they renounced their fathers, under the Stalinist two-faced "son is not responsible for his father" ...
    "God forbid us to visit this world
    In his fateful moments ... "
    Good reason now. "Under Stalin, we had unlimited freedom of action, cast in the mass of the affairs created under him. And now - the freedom to do nothing, only to steal and turn potential mothers of the country into barren prostitutes."
    not afraid that in the evening they will knock and get a quarter for slander ...

    We should stop shy from one extreme to the other, from similar praises of Nesvoboda to writing boiling water from modern "freedom."
    I believe in my people, I’m sure that he is capable of great things not from under the stick, he has nothing to “re-educate” with the Gulag, he does not need the party organizer, with the ethics and rules of life he invented, he is GREAT and MIGHTY. I believe that elementary JUSTICE will be restored in Russia.
    I will never believe in the message of the author that in our country composers wrote great music thanks to the Gulag, we made the country truly great - I must say thanks to the NKVD and the barbed wire ???? NO !!!! - For 30-70 years, the country plowed because everyone believed that he was a CITIZEN of the GREAT COUNTRY, that he was protected by the GREAT COUNTRY, that the GREAT COUNTRY needed his work, that people who did not steal from the GREAT COUNTRY were in power, and if something to protect the GREAT COUNTRY, along with his son will be his son, and all are equal in labor, in battle, in trouble ..
    The STATE will become in power, And the people of the mountain will turn over.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 19 June 2013 09: 04 New
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      Quote: Chen
      because everyone believed that he was a CITIZEN of the GREAT COUNTRY, that he was protected by the GREAT COUNTRY, that the GREAT COUNTRY needed his work, that people who didn’t steal from the GREAT COUNTRY were in power, and if something to protect the GREAT COUNTRY together with his son would and his son, and all are equal in labor, in battle, in distress.
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