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"Circassian" and "Crimean-Tatar" questions: on similar geopolitical patterns

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According to its characteristics Circassian question recalls the question of the Crimean Tatar. The only difference is that the Crimean Tatar question was raised much earlier, and its authors partially achieved their goals, but they are not going to stop at what they have achieved.


With the collapse of the Soviet Union, a strong group of national leaders headed by the Soviet dissident Mustafa Dzhemilev formed in the Crimean Tatar environment. By this time, the national question had ceased to be an internal affair of the USSR itself, and third forces had the opportunity to influence the internal political situation in our country by influencing various ethnic groups of the Soviet population. One of these groups was the Crimean Tatars.

Among the similarities of the Crimean-Tatar and Circassian question we highlight the following:

1. Crimean Khanate and Circassians lived raiding economy, sometimes enmity with each other (Battle of Kanzhala 1708 g.).

2. With the accession to Crimea of ​​the Russian Empire in 1783, the centuries-old opposition of the Russian state with the Crimean Khanate ended. With the accession of the Caucasus to the Russian Empire, the long confrontation between the highlanders and Russia also subsided. The Crimean Tatar aristocracy was equalized in rights with the Russian aristocracy, and the Crimean Tatar people were integrated into the social and political structures of the empire. Caucasians found themselves in the same position almost a century later - in 1864.

3. The defeat of the Crimean Khanate in the war with Russia significantly weakened Turkey’s geopolitical influence in the region. With the end of the Caucasian War, another, equally sensitive blow was dealt to the Turkish influence. The Crimea and the Caucasus are adjacent to the Black Sea from the flanks, and the country that owns them turns into a weighty sea force. Previously, it was Ottoman Turkey, then - the Russian Empire.

4. Both the Crimean Tatars and Circassians know what Mohajirism is. At the same time, a number of Crimean Tatar public activists estimate the number of Crimean muhajirs in Turkey alone in 5-6 million, which exceeds the number of Circassian Muhajirs in this country (3-5 million).

5. The Crimean Tatars, like the Circassians, were used by the Ottomans as a military force. Therefore, their descendants live today along the perimeter of the former possessions of the Ottoman Empire (Bulgaria, Romania, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Israel, Lebanon, Sudan).

6. Crimean Tatar activists and their pro-Western Circassian colleagues deliberately idealize the situation of their diaspora in Turkey, where they do not even publish data on the ethnic composition of the country’s population, so as not to provoke separatist sentiments among certain groups of the population, which is why the exact number of Circassians and Crimean Tatars in this country is difficult to calculate. Despite such bans, the Crimean Tatar and Circassian nationalists adhere to the principle of “about Turkey either well or in no way” in the controversy with opponents.

7. The most important similarity is an appeal to third countries with a request to put pressure on Russia, forcing it to unconditionally satisfy the demands made by the Crimean Tatars and Circassians.

There are many differences between the Crimean Tatar and Circassian question. These differences are structural, not functional. Those. The geopolitical functions assigned to the Crimean Tatar nationalists and their Circassian counterparts are the same - to help remove Russia from the Black Sea region, to withdraw Crimea and the North Caucasus from the Russian jurisdiction, ensuring the arrival of other players there (Turkey, EU, US).

The Crimea was finally removed from under Russian jurisdiction with the collapse of the Soviet Union, with the exception of the city of Sevastopol. Finding himself as part of an independent Ukraine, Crimea has become a place of ideological confrontation between the Crimean Tatars and the central authorities. The political weakness of Kiev contributed to the establishment of ethnic authorities of the Crimean Tatars on the peninsula - Kurultay (national congress) as part of 250 delegates and the Majlis (the executive body of Kurultay). The Mejlis is not registered as a public organization by the Ministry of Justice of Ukraine, but this does not prevent it from developing violent propaganda-political activities. In the structure of the Mejlis, the Department for External Relations has been established, whose employees establish connections with the outside world through the head of Kiev. It was through the External Relations Department that the Crimean Tatar leaders met with the American “hawks”, including with “sworn friend” of Russia Zbignev Brzezinski, parliamentarians of the Czech Republic, Germany, Austria, Hungary, Poland, Turkey, Cyprus.

During such meetings, foreign representatives assure that Kiev’s relations with the West will directly depend on the solution of the Crimean Tatar issue, as well as a wide range of international topics that at first glance have nothing to do with the Crimean Tatar issue. So, at the meeting of “Medzhlis” with the Moldovan ambassador to Ukraine Ion Stevile, the theme of Moldovan-Gagauz relations was touched upon (Gagauz is an Orthodox, but related to the Crimean Tatars people, but focused more on Russia). Thus, the Majlis duplicates the functions of the central government, pursuing a foreign policy that is inconsistent with Kiev, and choosing for itself allies and enemies on its own. Further, more: the Crimean Tatars are the only people in Ukraine who demand their own quotas when distributing posts in regional authorities (SBU, Ministry of Internal Affairs, prosecutor’s office, tax service, district administration, regional administration).

There is every reason to assume that the West is trying to lead the Circassian issue along the same path as the Crimean Tatar, which, as can be observed, turned out to be quite “successful” for them (the Crimean Tatars are outside the control of the central authorities, enter into alliances with the Ukrainian nationalist parties Russophobic sense, make contacts with foreign partners bypassing Kiev). By the way, the Ukrainian nationalists project the "Great Circassia" quite welcome.

Crimean-Tatar problems evolved in the same way as Circassian problems are evolving. Initially, reproaches for the criminal genocide of the Crimean Tatar people began to fall (the Stalinist deportation of Crimean Tatars in 1944 was implied). Wherein история mass cooperation of the Crimean Tatars with the Nazis is simply ignored. Then the demands were voiced to return the deportees to the Crimea and to provide members of the Crimean Tatar diaspora from far abroad the opportunity to return to their historical homeland, providing them with everything they need - housing, lifting money, jobs, etc. Then the demands of the main repentance, as the Crimean Tatar leaders believe, the culprit of the Crimean Tatar misfortunes - Russia.

The Circassian issue has so far stalled just at this stage: the demands to allow foreign Circassians to return to the Caucasus, provide them with work and residence, and repent of the genocide.

In the case of the Crimean Tatars, moral and historical requirements further mutated into political and economic demands: demands for the return of property, recognition of the right of the Crimean Tatars for their own statehood and independent foreign policy activities. When these demands were voiced, Kiev was already tied hand and foot not only by the threats of the West to curtail cooperation if the wishes of the Crimean Tatars were not taken into account, but also by the inability to reduce the heat of the claims put forward by the Majlis supporters. The reconstruction of the Crimean Khanate did not reach, but the Department for External Relations in the structure of the Majlis was created. And this can be considered as the first step towards the construction of a separate Crimean-Tatar state.

If the masterminds of the Circassian issue succeed in pushing it further, we should expect political demands: recognition of the Circassian’s right to have its own ethnic authority parallel to the official authorities, both regional and central (by analogy with the Crimean Tatar Kurultay and Majlis), and unaccountable to them; the right of this authority to enter the international arena itself and discuss a wide range of issues not with Moscow, but with its opponents.

If this happens, a change in the ideological discourse of the Circassian movement itself will follow, and the next step will be to uphold the legitimacy of the formation of the Circassian state from both legal and historical points of view. At first, this statehood can be formed within the framework of the federal structure of the Russian Federation. It’s not the legal formalization of the federal unit that will change, but its ethnopolitical composition: the new administrative entity will cover all the Adygs living in the Caucasus with the intention of giving their national identity a different, non-Russian format.

Just as in the Crimean Tatar schools and gymnasiums, students live in a completely different ideological atmosphere than their Slavic peers, schools and universities of the “Great Cherkessian” administrative-territorial unit will have their own educational policy, without unifying it with all-Russian standards. In Crimea, such schools are funded by Turkey and the Arab countries. The same sponsors will respond to the call of the "Great-Cercian" adherents.

The predictable next step will be the rejection of a federation with Russia and the formation of its own state, which, obviously, is seen not as a subject, but as an object of geopolitics. It will not be able to pursue a full-fledged foreign policy and being a de facto protectorate of external forces. There will be a cardinal reformatting of the geopolitical arrangement of the Caucasus region, and this, as history shows, is always a prelude to a series of bloody conflicts.
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  1. biglow
    biglow 18 June 2013 12: 19
    +7
    the author regularly rekindle the topic of Tatars and Crimea on the pages of the site. But he forgets that the smaller the people, the smaller their elite.
    And that small group that feeds on the Tatars with a policy of great weight among their people does not have.
    If you carefully look at the situation in the Crimea, the situation with the seizures itself has vanished. There are no conflicts between the Russians and the Tatars either.
    All spheres of influence are divided.
    And why all this balamutit is not entirely clear
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 18 June 2013 16: 25
      0
      Quote: biglow
      the author regularly incites the theme of the Tatars and Crimea on the pages of the site

      And on what "furry" administration allows the publication of this? belay
    2. avt
      avt 18 June 2013 16: 38
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      Quote: biglow
      the author regularly rekindle the topic of Tatars and Crimea on the pages of the site. But he forgets that the smaller the people, the smaller their elite.

      This is how you look, here is the confederation of mountain peoples and the division of Krasnodar Territory and the creation of the subject of Adygea on the "conscience" of not the author, but our Mikhail Raisovich, the Stavropol son of a Turkish citizen, and the author drew a quite logical parallel.
    3. alexkross83
      alexkross83 18 June 2013 20: 00
      -2
      Balamutite ... this is still put it mildly, not knowing such people as the Circassians, the author for some reason compares them with the Crimean Tatars ... at least the article is not very .. of course the author should plunge into history, and I would also recommend him to go to Cherkessk
  2. YARY
    YARY 18 June 2013 16: 06
    12
    It is a pity that you can’t return in time and bring all evil spirits out of the Crimea!
    But here are the Circassians .... here it was definitely effortless because of the mound !!!
    The people of labor! Fair! Hospitable!
    And every mutton is not ours, it is from SyShyAshka and Geyropeyskih "partners"!

    PySy

    The only honest and correct and, accordingly, poor traffic policeman whom I know is Circassian! "They left" him for retirement after he deprived his boss of the right to manage AM!
    1. smile
      smile 18 June 2013 18: 02
      +7
      YARY (1
      In my opinion, one should also not underestimate the activities of Turkey and the influence of its special services on the Crimean Tatars and the role of Turkey in the regular exaggeration of the "Circassian issue".
  3. krez-74
    krez-74 18 June 2013 16: 06
    25
    I am Cherkess! And I was pretty amused by the knowledge of the history of the Circassians and its presentation by the author. Moreover, everywhere the cliches are hammered into the head by pseudo-historians, as well as breaking out of context! Have you decided to equalize Tatar nationalism with Circassian? Those who know the topic will laugh for a long time.
    By the way, the Circassians, and these are the Circassians, Kabardins and Circassians (as they supposedly divided us at the councils laughing ), they never supported the Nazis in the Second World War, they were never religious fanatics, and besides, the relations with the Russians are very long and good, they are good and creative!
    As for the Circassian issue, it exists, but both the West, Israel and the countries of the Arab oil region who dream of Islamizing the region want to play it - and all of them are against Russia!
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 18 June 2013 16: 43
      0
      Dear Cupid!
      As they say, to your words, do not decrease, do not add!
      With all respect, Andrew.
      1. krez-74
        krez-74 18 June 2013 17: 04
        +9
        Thanks Andrew for the sincerity!
        We, the Circassians, were still building Russia with Ivan the Terrible, and we will continue with it!
        With respect!
        1. timurpl
          timurpl 18 June 2013 23: 16
          0
          Quote: krez-74
          We, the Circassians, were still building Russia with Ivan the Terrible, and we will continue with it!

          Well said, right!
          -As a resident with a CMS I can only say good things about you. I can never remember the problems with the Circassians ... unlike the drivers of the white Prior!
          -Soon we are going to Adyuh, a fabulous place!
    2. avt
      avt 18 June 2013 16: 46
      +6
      Quote: krez-74
      As for the Circassian issue, it exists, but both the West, Israel and the countries of the Arab oil region who dream of Islamizing the region want to play it - and all of them are against Russia!

      This is exactly what is being done, taking into account historical features. And in the Crimea, quite successfully with the connivance of the Ukrainian authorities. Yes, and the events in the Caucasus 90s speak for themselves.
      Quote: krez-74
      Have you decided to equalize Tatar nationalism with Circassian? Those who know the topic will laugh for a long time.

      It will not be the author who will equalize and adjust to solve their problems, but a group of comrades you have indicated, and if you do not stop them, everyone will be misunderstood.
      1. krez-74
        krez-74 18 June 2013 16: 59
        +6
        Even in the 90, when many wanted to leave Russia, the Circassians did not want this, did not voice it and did not mean it!
        "Nationalists" financed because of Cardona, now every nation has, but our strength will be in knowing them and not listening, if this is part of the powers, then suppress!
        1. avt
          avt 18 June 2013 17: 12
          +2
          Quote: krez-74
          "Nationalists" financed because of Cardona, now every nation has, but our strength will be in knowing them and not listening, if this is part of the powers, then suppress!

          Yes, only with both hands!
    3. Gari
      Gari 18 June 2013 16: 50
      +1
      Quote: krez-74
      By the way, the Circassians, and these are Circassians, Kabardins and Circassians (as supposedly divided us under the councils), never supported the Nazis in the Second World War,

      Only in the Great Patriotic War - 18 Heroes of the Soviet Union!
      1. YARY
        YARY 18 June 2013 16: 55
        +2
        The first, like the second, as well as 11 more killed "edelweiss" on the account of the old man with the antediluvian rifle-Circassian!
    4. vlasov70
      vlasov70 18 June 2013 17: 16
      +5
      I support, I have never heard of Circassian battalions in the SS, but yes about the Crimean Tatar! Crimean Tatars met the Nazis as liberators, and actively helped them in the Crimea, thanks to Comrade Stalin for freeing us from this nits, and you understand Comrade Gorbachev ...
    5. Sochi
      Sochi 18 June 2013 17: 54
      +1
      I know the Circassians, I live next to them, Hard workers !!! And with a very keen sense of justice.
  4. Mr. Gambu4aS
    Mr. Gambu4aS 18 June 2013 16: 27
    0
    In my opinion, there are no such issues in the country, and this article is inciting hatred from scratch, but there are "Jewish" and "Chechen" issues, which Joseph Vissarionovich not so long ago solved, it is a pity he did not bring the matter to the end, one of these issues and ruined him!
  5. Yeraz
    Yeraz 18 June 2013 16: 29
    +3
    And here a fine line, how to understand the true desire of some Circassians in resolving this issue and the moment when someone uses these intentions ???
    Of course, the author’s thesis that Circassian and Tatar activists intentionally idealizes the situation of their relatives, well, this is ridiculous)))
    The Circassians, and especially the Tatars, have long been part of the Turkish ethnic group, and even in some places they are more Turkish and patriotic than some other people who have everything perfect in their genes.
    The Tatar issue can be resolved as they want, but the Circassian one can’t be solved, although the closer the Sochi Olympics will be, the more attention will be paid to this topic.
    1. krez-74
      krez-74 18 June 2013 16: 38
      +7
      Circassians Turks? In every house we have a memory of what kind of "brothers" the Turks are to us, and what "good" they have done to us! And this affected all the Circassians who live on their land! And our memory, not like the rest, is strong!
      Have you connected us to the Turkish ethnic group? And this is because the Turks did not remember their true ethnic group for a long time ... They have long since moved away from their origins, as they wandered a lot! Yes, and the religion of Islam they finally knocked out the remnants of memory!
      Circassians have one ethnic group, this is Adyghe Khabze!

      And further. The Circassians never in their history raised the question of secession from Russia!
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 18 June 2013 17: 06
        +5
        Quote: krez-74
        Circassians Turks? In every house we have a memory of what kind of "brothers" the Turks are to us, and what "good" they have done to us! And this affected all the Circassians who live on their land! And our memory, not like the rest, is strong!
        Have you connected us to the Turkish ethnic group? And this is because the Turks did not remember their true ethnic group for a long time ... They have long since moved away from their origins, as they wandered a lot! Yes, and the religion of Islam they finally knocked out the remnants of memory!
        Circassians have one ethnic group, this is Adyghe Khabze!

        And further. The Circassians never in their history raised the question of secession from Russia!

        Every house is straight))) then there are more Circassians in Turkey than in Russia ?? Or do they hide their anger at the Turks?
        The Circassians did not want to secede from Russia ... mmm, and with whom did the tsarist troops fight, and where did the Circassians turn out to be in Turkey more than in their historical homeland ???
        There was no Turkish nationalism in the Ottoman Empire, it appeared much later, and before that there were Muslim and other subjects of the empire, which made it possible to assimilate many peoples, especially Muslims. Due to the large number of Kurds, the outflow of Turks to the European part and the outburst of Kurds by outside Kurds failed to fully integrate into the Turkish ethnic group, but it turned out in part.

        I know perfectly well the love of the North Caucasian peoples for Russia, you don’t want to fill the Russians with it (although no one has denied the concept of exclusion and you are probably from this series) but in fact the Circassians believe that there was genocide, their lands were taken away and given to others and the Russians are to blame. The slightest weakening of central Moscow and everyone will see this reluctance to secede ... oh yes Chechnya has already shown its desire in 90.
        1. krez-74
          krez-74 18 June 2013 17: 18
          +1
          In Turkey, the Circassians, who were squeezed out by misfortune, war, and tsarist politics, completely driven by intrigues from both Turkey and England. Some needed soldiers to hold onto the Ottoman Empire, and others needed weakening Russia. And in the long run, they wanted to return the Circassians to their land, again through the war with Russia - again, everything is against Russia!
          I repeat, the Circassians are Muslims (religion was forced upon us again) only formally! We have our own, Adyghe Khabze, who is several thousand years old!
          Have you decided now to keep your voice for Cherkess? In my opinion, they did not authorize you! We have a lot of "friends" now
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 18 June 2013 17: 39
            +4
            Quote: krez-74
            In Turkey, the Circassians, who were squeezed out by misfortune, war, and tsarist politics, completely driven by intrigues from both Turkey and England. Some needed soldiers to hold onto the Ottoman Empire, and others needed weakening Russia. And in the long run, they wanted to return the Circassians to their land, again through the war with Russia - again, everything is against Russia!
            I repeat, the Circassians are Muslims (religion was forced upon us again) only formally! We have our own, Adyghe Khabze, who is several thousand years old!
            Have you decided now to keep your voice for Cherkess? In my opinion, they did not authorize you! We have a lot of "friends" now

            In the war of the Circassians and tsarist Russia, the Turks and the British were to blame. They specially incited hatred between the two loving peoples, well, everywhere the hand of this west, even in those days)))
            Yeah, then all Muslims were only formally Muslims before this fire was worshiped, temples were ... Greeks were also formally Christians because they had a rich culture of faith in Olympic gods.
            The fact remains that the Circassian Muslims, the fact that you are possibly formally Muslim is your business.
            And should I ask you ?? Or are you also from the club of Aleksand Romanov, that only representatives of this people can discuss any topic about an event ??

            It’s just that you don’t need to hang up noodles and say on behalf of ALL Circassians in the affirmative that they want to be with Russia without exception and are deeply in love with them, this is the same as the Armenians right now admit their love for Turkey.
        2. Gari
          Gari 18 June 2013 17: 24
          +1
          The history of military Russian-Adyghe cooperation is rooted in the depths of ancient history. The first contacts between Russia and the Circassians were recorded in the tale of bygone years (1113). The Adyghe princes and nobles with their squads traveled to Kievan Rus and served in the troops of the Kiev princes. “Poide Mstislav from Kozara and Kasagi to Grand Duke Yaroslav” - we read in The Tale. In this battle, a significant contingent of Scandinavian mercenaries fought on the side of Yaroslav the Wise, but the squad of Mstislav Tmutarakansky won.
          Today, many well-known princely surnames of the Lopukhins, Mstislovskys, and Sheremetyevs derive their pedigree from the Adyghe prince Remedi.
          Starting from the XNUMXth century, Adyghe princes and nobles began to travel to Russia to serve the Russian sovereigns
          In the second half of the XNUMXth century, Russia intensified its colonial policy in the North Caucasus and by force of arms annexed the peoples of the North Caucasus to the Russian Empire.
          Colonial policies in the North Caucasus were promoted by many Adyghe princes and nobles who served faithfully in the Russian army. Among those who defended Russia's interests in the Caucasus were the descendants of Inal, princes Bekovichi-Cherkassky, princes Gelyakhstanov, Tausultanov, noblemen Begidov-Gorichi, Anzorov, Sidakova and many others.
          Having included the conquered peoples in the empire, the Russian government began to take care of the formation of the military and civil administration of the Caucasus region.
          To this end, in 1828 in St. Petersburg the Life Guards Caucasus-Mountain Half-squadron was formed from representatives of the upper class of the Mountain Peoples of the Caucasus. The half-squadron was intended for convoy service at the emperor’s court. It was later renamed His Own Imperial Majesty's Convoy.
          From the moment of its formation to February 1, 1882 (date of disbandment), over 700 officers from the upper classes of the peoples of the North Caucasus served in this squadron, who participated in all battles of the Russian army against the enemy and covered themselves with unfading glory.
          The Caucasus Equestrian Division, known to the people as the “Wild Division” that took part in the First World War of 1914-1917 and remained faithful to this oath to the tsar and the fatherland, is known to the whole world.
          1. YARY
            YARY 18 June 2013 18: 53
            +3
            Very interesting opus.
            But stumbled upon one inconsistency so sorry at a time

            e and by force of arms annexed the peoples of the North Caucasus to the Russian Empire.


            When I was unreasonable, I knew such a thing as an appeal to the peoples of the Caucasus, and the meaning of it was (abbreviated) as follows:
            - End raids with robberies on DON and KUBAN and you will not have anything.
            And if Che blame the pier for yourself.
            Am I unmistakable by chance or find references and documents?
            Well, since the proud princes were unintelligible to anger the bear, to dig a grave, they forgot this message in proud neglect.
            For which they received in full and in full measure.
            At least that very "square" of five hundred soldiers about which the "invasion" of more than 4000 dashing horsemen who wished to plunder had crashed.
            But the Circassians (Circassians) among them something and nebylo alas.
            Sincerely.
        3. vlasov70
          vlasov70 18 June 2013 17: 32
          +6
          In vain you are so, yes, I agree that it is difficult to find a patriot of Russia among the Caucasians today, but in this case we see a person who is ready to stand shoulder to shoulder with us, which means he is Russian: Russian Circassian, Russian Ukrainian (like me, my surname Bandura). Russian is an adjective and it is applied to all nationalities. The main thing is that we love Russia as our Motherland and are ready to sacrifice our lives for it. Sorry for the high words.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 18 June 2013 18: 18
            +3
            Quote: vlasov70
            In vain you are so, yes, I agree that it is difficult to find a patriot of Russia among the Caucasians today, but in this case we see a person who is ready to stand shoulder to shoulder with us, which means he is Russian: Russian Circassian, Russian Ukrainian (like me, my surname Bandura). Russian is an adjective and it is applied to all nationalities. The main thing is that we love Russia as our Motherland and are ready to sacrifice our lives for it. Sorry for the high words.

            So I personally didn’t dispute his loyalty and love for Russia. We consider the situation as a whole. And Moscow will weaken only a little, the Russians in the North Caucasus will be for the Russians, and that is because without the Russians, surrounded by Muslim republics, he is threatened with destruction, and everyone else with a knife in hands and a smile on his face with the words let's goodbye.
            Hatred among the North Caucasian youth is very actively transmitted to other Muslims of Russia and if I have a suitcase of money and a couple of hot phrases, a thousand fighters against kafirs are ready, and this trend is only increasing.
            1. avt
              avt 18 June 2013 20: 22
              +1
              Quote: Yeraz
              We consider the situation as a whole. And a bit Moscow will weaken only the Ostins in the North Caucasus will be for the Russians, and that is because without the Russians, surrounded by Muslim republics, he is threatened with destruction,

              However, when Russia tried with Georgia somehow peacefully, if not to resolve the issue of South Ossetia, then at least firmly "freeze" the confrontation, there were "friends" and there muddied the water, along the beaten track the confederation of mountain peoples tried to put together a kind of defense union. and in the ecclesiastical world it is far from so smooth in the RSO, some Greeks there, too, stir up autocephaly, as in Abkhazia. So considering how Sahak is ... what a man! I have already touched on the Amersian Circassian theme - we need to follow the events very carefully and carefully, otherwise they will arrange for us a merry life in the Caucasus as a mark of Syria and everything else - we will laugh to bloody tears from the jokes of our common human friends.
            2. vlasov70
              vlasov70 18 June 2013 23: 19
              +1
              And where did you see a great love for Russia, she has only two loves in the army and navy. Everything else we collect bit by bit. And about the suitcases, we don’t have them - it’s impossible to love Russia for personal gain (Prokhorov and others like him), you can only love Russia ... Because She is Russia (6th company).
          2. YARY
            YARY 18 June 2013 19: 04
            +1
            Russian is FAITH- not an adjective but a noun.
  6. knn54
    knn54 18 June 2013 16: 36
    +1
    -krez-74.
    To your words, I would add that these "questions" are an ENDLESS feeder for those who want to "cut the money" allocated to human rights (ANTI-RUSSIAN) topics.
    1. krez-74
      krez-74 18 June 2013 16: 54
      +2
      It's true! The grandmothers are now cutting from everything, even from "patriotism" ...
      1. morprepud
        morprepud 18 June 2013 22: 51
        0
        Cupid, thanks! I just connected now and left my statement below (on steps 10)
  7. Avenger711
    Avenger711 18 June 2013 16: 37
    0
    Crush tanks.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 18 June 2013 23: 15
      0
      Who will crush and why ??
  8. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 18 June 2013 16: 44
    0
    Like the holiday season, so is the escalation of rumors about the Crimean Tatars.
  9. Abakanets
    Abakanets 18 June 2013 17: 31
    0
    I hope they will not be given citizenship.
  10. VadimSt
    VadimSt 18 June 2013 17: 59
    -2
    Soon, most of the information space of the site "MILITARY REVIEW" someone’s opinions, speculation, alternative history and fantasy will take over.
    1. vlasov70
      vlasov70 18 June 2013 18: 15
      +2
      What are you talking about, Colonel General of the Ukrainian SSR?
      1. Lech from ZATULINKI
        Lech from ZATULINKI 18 June 2013 18: 20
        +2
        THIS is about us sinners so from Olympus evaluate-hehe.
        1. VadimSt
          VadimSt 18 June 2013 18: 47
          0
          This is not about you, but about systematic calculations, which in one form or another are aimed at one thing - to inflate hysteria about interethnic and interstate relations, imposing one’s personal view of history, etc.
          Many participants have already expressed their disagreement with the opinion of the author and they are right.
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 18 June 2013 18: 23
        +1
        Quote: vlasov70
        What are you talking about, Colonel General of the Ukrainian SSR?

        It is likely that little time is devoted to purely military topics, and especially to its discussion.
        But here some may object that these topics carry a touch of national security and have the right to be placed ...
        Nuss from 2, I would choose more than a military unit, but it is difficult to stand aside when they start to vigil not that)))
        1. VadimSt
          VadimSt 18 June 2013 19: 01
          0
          Quote: Yeraz
          It is likely that little time is devoted to purely military topics.

          Simply, very often, such articles are thrown in and calmly skipped that you stop understanding - this is a military-patriotic, political, nationally-oriented or other site.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 18 June 2013 19: 28
            +1
            Quote: VadimSt
            Simply, very often, such articles are thrown in and calmly skipped that you stop understanding - this is a military-patriotic, political, nationally-oriented or other site.

            Probably Mix site))
            Although you are right, in the branch on the sale of arms of Baku, I would like to read the discussions of knowledgeable people about these weapons, how to use them more effectively in that theater of war, their minuses, etc., and everything slipped right, Russia did it right or not, it will intervene she or not.
            Well, we hope our wishes will be heard and some innovation will be accepted.
          2. alexkross83
            alexkross83 19 June 2013 00: 24
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            The most interesting thing is that when you characterize such a lobbied article as a low trial libel ... the minuses immediately begin to pour in .... the question poses by their author ... or who lobbied this nonsense? I myself grew up in the North Caucasus and advised the author to go to Cherkessk .. he was also awarded a minus :-) :-) :-) like that ... double standards policy ... it turns out everywhere with us ... I ask admins minus I do not put :-)
      3. VadimSt
        VadimSt 18 June 2013 18: 33
        -1
        Everyone said Senior Sergeant of China!
        1. biglow
          biglow 18 June 2013 19: 49
          +3
          Quote: VadimSt
          Everyone said Senior Sergeant of China!

          you don’t have to roll a barrel to the Soviet flag, many people remember how much the Soviet Union gave and the site administration went to meet us, allowing those who do not like colored rags to use the Soviet flag laughing
          1. VadimSt
            VadimSt 18 June 2013 22: 56
            0
            I did not think that you are the same straightforward thinking as the one for whom you decided to stand up. I was born, raised and raised children in the Union, and in this regard, your reproach is for emptiness. As for your client, he answered him in his own style, since he was not used to answering according to the well-known principle - "he d ... k"!
  11. individual
    individual 18 June 2013 20: 00
    +3
    The alignment of interests of the Tatars in the Crimea or the Circassians in the North Caucasus described by the author of the publication V. Gulevich repeats the attempt to expand the Albanians in Kosovo Serbia.
    First minimi mejlises, the elected bodies of parallel power. Based on them speculation on the topic of "genocide" and oppression on the basis of ethnicity behind which followed by NATO's "peacekeeping boot" and the creation of no-fly zones to establish an acceptable regime for them.
    The interests of the same Tatars or Circassians are for the puppeteers of the "big game" on the side. Islam, not Islam, is simply instruments of confrontation.
    The main thing is to include the region in the sphere of interests of the big brother of the USA.
  12. sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 18 June 2013 20: 09
    +1
    The author casually called the Crimean Tatars and Circassians, equalized in the fact that both of these peoples survived the Stalinist genocide and eviction from their native places. No need to dissemble and no need to play eviction. There was some strange electoral policy of eviction - Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Balkars were evicted, but Ossetians KABARDINTS (read - Circassians) are not. So do not confuse the sour with the fresh and do not attribute the hardworking, heroic people of other sins.
  13. kind
    kind 18 June 2013 21: 59
    +2
    Crimean Tatars were vassals of the Ottoman Empire. Russia fought with the Turks, and the Crimea in this war (like the Tatars inhabiting it) was a bargaining chip. In the Great Patriotic War, they sided with the Nazis. Conclusion: the Crimean Tatars are not an empire, and they had neither heroes nor won wars, nor homeland nor flag. Therefore, let them shove their heads in the sand like ostriches, for they have no opinion, and no one asks them.
  14. My address
    My address 18 June 2013 22: 39
    +1
    And it would be nice to demand from the States to repent for oppression of the Comanches, from England for the Britons. At the same time and demand to give those and other previously owned territory.
  15. morprepud
    morprepud 18 June 2013 22: 41
    +1
    During such meetings, foreign representatives assure that relations between Kiev and the West will directly depend on the solution of the Crimean Tatar issue, and also touched on a wide range of international topics that at first glance have no relation to the Crimean Tatar problem.

    I read the article and thought: WHAT RIGHT DO any "foreign representatives" HAVE ON OUR HISTORY:

    Excerpt from the book by E. Spencer "Journey to Circassia, Crimean Tataria, etc. ..." (London, 1839, 3rd edition). E. Spencer is an English traveler who visited in the early 30s of the XIX century. Circassia.
    “Outwardly, the Black Sea Cossacks are superior to the Don; and, although they are not as beautiful as their Circassian neighbors, nevertheless, since they constantly imitate the behavior of the Romans towards the Sabines (the abduction of girls, according to legend about the founding of Rome, the first Romans did not have enough women and they kidnapped their wives from a neighboring Sabine tribe - "Free Village"), the beautiful girls of Circassia greatly improved the present generation ............. Partly to get rid of such worrying neighbors and partly to direct their militant spirit and predatory temper against Circassians, Catherine II in 1792 wisely prompted them with advantageous offers to move to the Kuban Tatarstan .......... This feeling of hostility is supported by the Russian government, which would greatly fear for the stability of this part of the empire, do Cossacks a common thing with the highlanders . ”

    So, what "right" do all sorts of "foreign representatives" have to our FRIENDSHIP and UNITY AND TATARS, AND CHERKESOV, AND RUSSIANS ... And ... 200 more nations of Great and Invincible Russia! If WE have already MIXED, BUT we keep in every village and city (as the commandments of this land on which we were born) all the traditions and culture are exactly what was INSERTED from our COMMON ancestors.
  16. cartridge
    cartridge 18 June 2013 22: 44
    +4
    We do not have any Circassian, and especially Crimean-Tatra issues in Russia. There is only the desire of some self-proclaimed kings from among the indigenous tribes to make public relations, increase their influence and then start sucking money from the Russian budget like Ramzan Akhmadych.
    You need to send all of them to yourself, you know where, but you are especially stupid and persistent to either plant or help them get under buses and diesel locomotives.
    Flirting with foreigners is ruining Russia!
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  18. vlasov70
    vlasov70 18 June 2013 23: 43
    0
    The network has a website "Immortal Regiment". There, the veterans themselves (how many of them are left!), Their children spread what they heard from their grandfathers and great-grandfathers about the war, about what they went through. A good thing and the main thing that unites ... Join us!
    http://moypolk.ru
    Quote:
    “We invite everyone who cherishes the memory of the victorious front-line soldiers to form our Immortal Regiment.
    Take a photo of your soldier and come on May 9 to build the Immortal Regiment. "
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  19. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 19 June 2013 05: 30
    +2
    Crimea must be taken back!
    1. biglow
      biglow 19 June 2013 14: 16
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      Quote: sasha.28blaga
      Crimea must be taken back!

      it will be right not to pick up, but to return back drinks
  20. KononAV
    KononAV 19 June 2013 10: 12
    0
    It is painful to read such articles.
  21. ocvbc
    ocvbc 19 June 2013 12: 00
    0
    The people in the network leaked the entire database about us all! Now you can watch any information about everyone who interests you! Use until you close! Here's the link - clck.ru/8hBBA