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Georgia: Afghanistan, sideways out

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Games of commitment to the ideals of Western democracy are often mixed in blood. In this case, those for the sake of odobryamsha whose blood is shed, just rub their hands from the fact of the reliability of the short leash on which the new satellites are held. Georgia has turned into one of such satellites of the “progressive” West, whose authorities are ready to sprinkle the altar with the blood of their people with the sole purpose that the West will not deprive the Caucasian state of its attention.


Photo: REUTERS / David Mdzinarishvili / Reuters


Proof of the readiness of the Georgian leadership at any cost to bring the country to NATO is more than a thousand and a half contingent of Georgian troops in the ISAF in Afghanistan. More than 1500, Georgian soldiers and officers are in one of the most volatile provinces of Afghanistan - Helmand Province, the same province that today is the real world leader in the cultivation of opium poppy. During their four-year tenure in Helmand, the Georgian units lost 29 people killed and more than 130 injured. Seven were killed in a terrorist attack that took place in Afghanistan on June 6. Then a suicide bomber detonated an explosive device in the immediate vicinity of the place of deployment of Georgian soldiers. The consequences of the terrorist attack are also 9 injured, who were taken to the central hospital, where doctors continue to fight for the lives of the soldiers.

Why did the Georgian military contingent choose the target for the Taliban attack? The fact is that on May 26 (on the day of Georgian independence), Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili (and he still occupies his presidency) decided to personally greet the Georgian troops stationed in Afghanistan. As you know, on this day Saakashvili usually hosted a military parade in Tbilisi, but the representatives of the current ruling party canceled the parade. Saakashvili, in order to emphasize his determination even in the absence of a parade to demonstrate the achievements of his brave warriors, went to Afghanistan with his eldest son Edward. The underlining of determination was passed in the spirit of the Georgian president, who in front of the reporters' cameras began to interrogate Georgian soldiers, how they destroyed the Taliban, and how easily they did it. Like, look, friends from NATO - and you still do not want to take us under your warm wing ...

This show was then shown on several TV channels. As it turned out, we watched a TV program telling about the fighting spirit of the Georgian soldiers in Afghanistan, not only the citizens of Georgia, but also the Taliban. The latter decided to test the boldness of the Georgian contingent and the Georgian contingent itself for strength, sending it to the location of the suicide bomber. Udal disappeared quickly: seven “two hundredths” (privates Grigory Guchashvili, Boris Tsugoshvili, Zviad Sulkhanishvili, Mikheil Narindoshvili, Zurab Gurgenashvili, Corporals Georgi Adamov and Teimuraz Ortavidze) and nine more “three hundred” weights, weights, weights and 17 Afghanistan

After this, a new wave of criticism has risen in Georgia both against Saakashvili and other government officials who support the presence of the Georgian military contingent in Afghanistan. Your deeds are wonderful, O Lord — one of those who called for the immediate withdrawal of Georgian soldiers to home was ex-President Edward Shevardnadze. After all, it was at the suggestion of Mr. Shevardnadze that the Georgian military personnel began to participate in joint operations with NATO troops. It all started with Iraq and Kosovo, Afghanistan continued. And the operation in Afghanistan is a kind of apogee for Georgia. Not only that it was here that the Georgian contingent suffered the greatest losses, so in addition - it is the Georgian contingent that is the most numerous of all the contingents of those countries that are not members of NATO in Afghanistan. And if many countries, even members of the North Atlantic Alliance, had withdrawn their troops from Afghanistan completely a year or two ago, then Nenatov Georgia continued to demonstrate how much she wants to cling to the ideals of NATO.

Against the background of the mourning that took place in Georgia in memory of the victims, conversations began to be heard about holding a referendum in which the Georgian people should finally express their opinion on the expediency or inexpediency of finding the Georgian military on the territory of Afghanistan.

It is noteworthy that a day before the tragedy involving the Georgian military, a video was published on the Internet under the title: “Taliban jihad against Georgian soldiers in Afghanistan”. In the video, which, as indicated, was created by a certain “Voice of Jihad”, indicates which forces at various times sought to gain control over Afghanistan, and what came out of it. Next, the authors turn to a comparison of Georgian soldiers with the Crusaders, who are trying to achieve their goals in Afghanistan. With detailed comments describes what was waiting and waiting for the Georgian military, trapped in Afghanistan on the orders of Mikhail Saakashvili.

We know your names, your addresses well. We know your relatives. We will come to Georgia. We are ready to revenge.
The appearance of this video on the Web in Georgia was noticed already when the terrorist attack on Helmand took place. Immediately they began to argue on the topic of who could post video materials of such specific content on the Internet. President Saakashvili and a number of his supporters, according to the established tradition, immediately “found” those responsible for the publication. And, in their opinion, not even the Afghan Taliban are guilty at all. They say, can the Taliban remove and mount something similar? .. According to the president, the video was posted on the Network by the people of Ivanishvili, and, according to the ex-Minister of Defense of Georgia Mr. Shashkin, the movie “Voices of Jihad” is in general the work of Russia. Well, who else ...
So, maybe, the people of Ivanishvili, together with the Russian associates, even fought off in Helmand, in order immediately after the publication of the video to arrange an undermining of a suicide bomber near the Georgian military base? ..

To confirm his suspicions, Saakashvili even appealed to the FBI to help Georgia identify the author of the scandalous video in which the Taliban threatened to come to Georgia and avenge the crimes of the Georgian military in Afghanistan. The FBI will certainly confirm ... They will not rust for them. And it turns out, for example, that Putin himself recorded voice-overs and attached pictures to discredit the current Georgian president and intimidate the Georgian people ...
In the meantime, the US FBI “helped” Saakashvili to look for the authors of the video, another remarkable event occurred in Georgia that could be related to the information presented above. 13 June, the Georgian special services reported that they had prevented an act of terrorism. Employees of the Georgian Ministry of Internal Affairs detained some of Rizvan Omarov and Mikaela Kadyeva, at the place of residence of which an entire terrorist arsenal was discovered. Omarov and Kadyev, as reported by several Georgian media, have been in Georgia since 2011, but at the same time were citizens of the Russian Federation, hiding this with their fake passports. Then it turned out that Kadyev had been on the international wanted list for two years, which did not prevent him from showing considerable activity on Georgian territory and remaining out of sight of the special services.

Georgian political analyst Zaal Kasrelishvili expressed his point of view about the detention of alleged terrorists in Georgia. He believes that the two detainees were on the territory of Georgia with the permission of Saakashvili himself, who was trying to actively use the microgroups of the North Caucasus to create the so-called controlled chaos in the region, which (chaos) was supposed to strike across Russia. At the same time, as Kasreishvili is sure, Saakashvili here was only performing someone's (not difficult to guess someone's) will. It was this powerful cover that made it possible to create in the territory of Georgia numerous camps for terrorist groups that were marked by forays into Russia. After the Georgian Dream party, led by Bidzina Ivanishvili, won the parliamentary elections in Georgia, the emphasis had to be shifted. A new goal - the position of Ivanishvili, which could be significantly undermined (and in the literal sense of the word, too) by terrorist acts in Georgia. The first attempt to success, apparently, was not crowned.

If you believe the words of Kasrelishvili that Saakashvili himself was engaged in the patronage of terrorists, then what prevented Saakashvili himself and concoct the same movie that caused a lot of noise in Georgia. After all, any terrorist act in this case could have been attributed either to the Taliban, or to Ivanishvili, or to Russia, and to remain clean and re-claim the growth of the political rating. The version is conspiratorial, but Saakashvili’s personality is no less conspiratorial, which is proved by the events of August 2008.

The terrorist attack on the Georgian military in Afghanistan, a video about the impending retaliation, the prevention of a terrorist act in Georgia is not all that concerns the military-political situation around this Caucasian state. Literally thunder sounded the recent words of the Georgian Defense Minister Irakli Alasania, who said that Georgia had notified NATO partners about the closure of its two bases in Afghanistan. It would seem, well, that's all: the voice of the Georgian people has been heard, now the soldiers will return home, and sorrow will no longer come into the hearts of wives and mothers. But Alasania corrected his words over time. He said that in fact he had in mind not the withdrawal of the Georgian military contingent from Afghanistan, but the closure of the bases as such - with the redeployment of soldiers to other places all in the same Afghanistan.

In other words, Georgia’s withdrawing its soldiers from Afghanistan does not allow Big Brother, well, or the will of Georgia itself, without fail and in everything, Big Brother to like. As an option: a game with the Taliban in cat and mouse - they closed one base and fled to another, then they closed the other, then they would run to the third. And so, apparently, until the last Georgian soldier ... Well, or until the cup of patience of the Georgian people is full.
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  1. d1m1drol
    d1m1drol 18 June 2013 08: 42 New
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    I want to say ... for what they fought, they planted it on that. But then again, politics and the lives of soldiers are slightly different things. I sympathize with the mothers of the deceased in a foreign land.
    1. Baron Wrangell
      Baron Wrangell 18 June 2013 08: 47 New
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      Quote: d1m1drol
      I sympathize with the mothers of the deceased in a foreign land.

      I’ll join in! Probably young guys! What should Georgians do in Afghanistan?
      1. cartridge
        cartridge 18 June 2013 09: 01 New
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        During the four-year stay in Helmand, Georgian units lost 29 people killed and more than 130 wounded.


        You can blame me for the lack of tolerance, but I do not mind the Georgian dead. Those like them, or maybe even personally some of them, in 2008 killed ours.
        Georgia today is a military enemy of Russia! And it is a fact!
        And I never feel sorry for dying enemies!
        1. fokino1980
          fokino1980 18 June 2013 09: 33 New
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          Georgia is not an enemy of Russia! The enemy of Georgia and Russia is President Saakashvili and his American "friends." Although I somehow do not really want a revival of friendship with them. Again, in a favorable situation, "popularly" betray !!! Let them go their own way !!! smile
          1. cartridge
            cartridge 18 June 2013 09: 47 New
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            Georgia is not an enemy of Russia!


            And you can repeat "Halva!" Halva! Halva! ". So how? Has it become sweeter in the mouth?

            And a joke on the topic:

            A man meets an ancient old woman with a bundle of brushwood.
            - Come on, grandma, help! He put the bundle of brushwood on his shoulders and went. They reached the edge of the forest, the old woman says:
            - You helped me, I will thank you for this, I am a sorceress and I will fulfill any of your three wishes. What is your first wish.
            “Well, first of all, so that I have a funky White Mercedes car.”
            - Good. You will go along the clearing to the turn, and there three hundred meters to the right and you will see your Mercedes. Speak the second desire.
            - I want a two-story cottage with a pool and an underground garage!
            - As you wish. You sit in your “Mercedes”, drive a kilometer along a country road and see your summer house. Speak the third desire.
            - I want a beautiful wife, and that all my life would dry for me.
            - Okay. Your beauty is waiting for you in the back seat. But where are you, honey? Wait!
            - Well, what else do you have, grandma?
            “I did everything that you asked, so I have a small request for you.”
            - But how can I help you: you are a witch, you yourself can do anything.
            - Yes, not all, - take me goodbye, dear, otherwise I already forgot how it is done!
            The man thought, grimacing:
            - Oh well! What does it cost me. But then - everything is at my feet.
            And he had a grandmother.
            - Well, grandma, we are calculated! - and rushed headlong along the clearing.
            - Wait, my dear!
            “Well, what else do you want?”
            - And how old are you?
            “Well, thirty-six, but what?”
            - Oh, you are so big, but you believe in fairy tales!
            1. Papakiko
              Papakiko 18 June 2013 11: 14 New
              +2
              Quote: cartridge
              Oh, you are so big, but you believe in fairy tales!

              Ivan, you answered me yesterday and you need to notice that it’s very “cultural”.

              Ivan, and relying on what story do you write that with ancestors' thoughts, things went bad? The one that they shove us from the school bench about this vomit?
              Well it's your choice. Personally, I hold in authority for myself the classic course of history, including the one that was once taught to us at school.
              And why is this story just a vomit for you?
              What do you puke from?

              How much of your generic memory is preserved and to which tribe do you know your ancestors?
              Well this, my dear man, does not concern you at all. This information is from my personal life and you are not supposed to know about them.

              Not too many enemies do you see?
              1. cartridge
                cartridge 18 June 2013 23: 33 New
                +2
                Dear Eday Hasava!
                You correctly noticed that I'm all so cultural!
                The former and current military attendees at the forum will confirm that for more than thirty years of service in motorized rifle troops, they are very cool at raising the cultural level! wink
                Culture, it can be said, was completely absorbed into my bloodstream! repeat
                And that you have not heard my nightingale singing in the field! There you would generally oh .... how surprised my knowledge of oral Russian! good
                1. Papakiko
                  Papakiko 19 June 2013 07: 53 New
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                  Quote: cartridge
                  There you would generally oh .... how surprised my knowledge of oral Russian!

                  Do you want to say that you are the THIRD person in Russia after Tolstoy and Yesenin, who owns the Russian mother in FIVE floors?
                  1. cartridge
                    cartridge 19 June 2013 11: 50 New
                    +1
                    Do you want to say that you are the THIRD person in Russia after Tolstoy and Yesenin, who owns the Russian mother in FIVE floors?


                    Well, why only the third? repeat
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 18 June 2013 23: 59 New
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            Quote: fokino1980
            The enemy of Georgia and Russia is President Saakashvili and his American "friends."
        2. Rus86
          Rus86 18 June 2013 09: 46 New
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          maybe more an adversary, a protege of interests alien to him.
          but in the cabbage soup we must probably have to give it, in the best way. like an older brother.
          1. Natalia
            Natalia 18 June 2013 09: 54 New
            +7
            And the most interesting thing is that no one will thank Georgia for the fact that its soldiers died in Afghanistan. In the name of what, for whatever it’s understandable ... the Americans need the most, so let them climb their heads in the loop.
            Daily democracy costs hundreds of thousands of people very expensive.
        3. svp67
          svp67 18 June 2013 11: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: cartridge
          And I never feel sorry for dying enemies!
          Even if not long ago they were friends? And that we broke up only thanks to "venal and ambitious" politicians ... and ordinary people still remember friendship.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 18 June 2013 13: 06 New
            +8
            Quote: svp67
            Even if not long ago they were friends? And that we parted only thanks to "venal and ambitious" politicians ...

            Such friendship is not expensive if any talker can make him shoot at a recent friend ...
          2. cartridge
            cartridge 18 June 2013 23: 46 New
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            Stop pouring crocodile tears! We drove through! What friends? Are you talking about whom?
            Young people born after the collapse of the USSR serve in the Georgian army. They made their choice. They like to die in a foreign land from an Afghan bullet or mine - it's their choice! I didn’t pull them there! And I don’t feel sorry for them! I do not regret the real enemy!
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 19 June 2013 00: 16 New
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              Are you sure that they did it yourself? Or maybe someone did it for them without giving them a choice? In the Caucasus did they always listen to the opinion of the old people, and did Saak ask these old people? Communicate with them (I’ve talked) -they have a lot of things By the way, a lot of old people doubt his Georgianness (if I may say so)
        4. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 18 June 2013 11: 51 New
          +3
          When the Georgians shot the Russians in 08g, they forgot that the Russians saved them from the Turks, the whole nation of Georgians !!! They are not grateful pigs and I would not have dealt with them at all. None!
          1. GP
            GP 18 June 2013 12: 56 New
            +1
            Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
            When the Georgians shot the Russians in 08g, they forgot that the Russians saved them from the Turks, the whole nation of Georgians !!! They are not grateful pigs and I would not have dealt with them at all. None!


            After the war, peace comes and we must live on, and with such an approach the war would never end. In order to live in peace, it is necessary to build relationships, recognize the fact of defeat, forgive insults. There is no other world. And because of the inability in the Caucasus to forgive insults, blood spills so often there.
        5. Yarbay
          Yarbay 18 June 2013 14: 34 New
          +5
          Quote: cartridge
          And I never feel sorry for dying enemies!

          I agree!
        6. Lexo
          Lexo 18 June 2013 15: 20 New
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          = discussing so flatly at the level of Sergeant or Lance-corporal .... to listen to you so you would gladly kill all the people ...
        7. mabuta
          mabuta 18 June 2013 21: 28 New
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          To the cartridge.
          d1m1drol He spoke of the mothers of those warriors. This is still different. This topic is very difficult, on both sides of the mother ....
        8. d1m1drol
          d1m1drol 19 June 2013 08: 14 New
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          I do not mind the enemy soldiers. I sympathize with my parents and relatives, because for me he is an enemy, and for them a loved one.
      2. YARY
        YARY 18 June 2013 10: 03 New
        +6
        What should Georgians do in Afghanistan?


        Same as in South Ossetia!

        It is time to understand that lamentations about the enemy-but Georgia-ENEMY. Inappropriate!
        Remember the actions of these "ordinary soldiers in Ossetia, as a reminder, watch at your leisure video materials of these same "simple soldiers"! And pick up the drool! Disgusting
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 18 June 2013 10: 21 New
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          Quote: Ardent
          It is time to understand that lamentations about the enemy-but Georgia-ENEMY. Inappropriate!
          Remember the actions of these “ordinary soldiers in Ossetia, for reminder, watch at your leisure video materials of these same“ ordinary soldiers "! And pick up drooling! It's disgusting!

          Everyone makes mistakes, but the main thing is not to learn a lesson from them and no longer be guided by cheap (or very expensive) propaganda from the West, like: we democrat rangers are cool guys, we drive military jeeps and everyone should be afraid and respect us .
          1. YARY
            YARY 18 June 2013 14: 20 New
            +6
            Natalya - any action has consequences.
            A "baby" "Mom I don’t know!" it is not for real life.
            Have you got a weapon?
            Let's go against Russia?
            All false words about "eternal friendship" - Just false words!
            But to you Natalya, softness is excusable.
      3. self-propelled
        self-propelled 18 June 2013 10: 20 New
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        Quote: Baron Wrangell
        What should Georgians do in Afghanistan?

        show willingness to serve older brother request
        but the guys are really sincerely sorry. but, as often happens, politics is higher than human lives ...
        1. Ghenxnumx
          Ghenxnumx 18 June 2013 23: 57 New
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          Quote: self-propelled
          but the guys are really sincerely sorry. but, as often happens, politics is higher than human lives ...

          For the most part, these “guys” themselves give a bribe to their superiors in order to get into Afghanistan, and therefore, as Yary correctly noted hi regrets are inappropriate here.
    2. Airman
      Airman 18 June 2013 10: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: d1m1drol
      I want to say ... for what they fought, they planted it on that. But then again, politics and the lives of soldiers are slightly different things. I sympathize with the mothers of the deceased in a foreign land.


      If there are no brains, then .... They don’t apply a hand to an empty head, but they put it (see photo)
    3. Ulysses
      Ulysses 18 June 2013 11: 03 New
      +9
      In South Ossetia, our peacekeepers were not killed personally by Saakashvili, but by “ordinary Georgian guys,” maybe even those who arrived in zinc from Afghanistan.
      So the lives of these “soldiers” I would not mourn.

      PS Forgive the enemy, then betray the memory of their victims.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 18 June 2013 12: 22 New
        +5
        Quote: Ulysses
        Forgiving the enemy means betraying the memory of their victims.

        Forgiving the enemy means forgiving. Sewing the memory of their victims is a little different, this is when desecrating monuments and practicing the Eternal Flame - this is threading the memory. And what happened with us on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX is the result of a perfectly conducted operation by the Americans called quarrel neighbors. Arming with this psycho Saakashvili.
        1. GP
          GP 18 June 2013 13: 00 New
          +1
          I agree with Natalia. Forgiving means forgiving. To betray memory is to forget (desecrate monuments, rewrite history).
          1. Airman
            Airman 18 June 2013 14: 31 New
            +3
            Quote: GP
            I agree with Natalia. Forgiving means forgiving. To betray memory is to forget (desecrate monuments, rewrite history).


            But will mothers, wives, children of our victims forgive. It’s easy to forgive someone else’s pain, but will she forgive the killer of her son?
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 18 June 2013 16: 31 New
              +2
              We had a common story and it is not fair to reject it. But as far as I understand, the opposition forces Saakashvili are also pro-Western and integrate into NATO. And the younger generation of young Georgians simply does not know any other alternative, it’s more intuitive to the West. Change the vector of Georgian foreign policy it is possible through joint economic projects, but with this tight, and the opposition of the West leaves no hope for a change in the situation. And recognition of Ossetia and Abkhazia consolidates the situation.
    4. chaushevski
      chaushevski 18 June 2013 19: 19 New
      +1
      Georgians ha ha ha they never knew how to fight is a fact history teach
  2. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 18 June 2013 08: 43 New
    +8
    It is time for the Georgian people to understand that such a president must be driven by a filthy broom!
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 18 June 2013 09: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: Kovrovsky
      It is time for the Georgian people to understand that such a president must be driven by a filthy broom!

      Drive and drive the teddy bear towards Russia, and we will catch, condemn and imprison!
      Personally, I will buy a dozen ties and send him to prison, let him chew.
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 18 June 2013 22: 24 New
        0
        Quote: omsbon
        Personally, I will buy a dozen ties and send him to prison, let him chew.

        After soaking them with cyanide! am drinks
        1. Rattenfanger
          Rattenfanger 19 June 2013 03: 35 New
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          Quote: sergo0000
          After soaking them with cyanide!

          Enough with him and snowstorm.
    2. the polar
      the polar 18 June 2013 09: 27 New
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      Quote: Kovrovsky
      It is time for the Georgian people to understand that such a president must be driven by a filthy broom!

      It’s also necessary to understand that the Georgian president is just a concentrated reflection of the Georgian mentality
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 18 June 2013 10: 08 New
      +8
      Quote: Kovrovsky
      It is time for the Georgian people to understand that such a president must be driven by a filthy broom!



      Guys, as the Russian proverb says, You won’t be forcibly sweet ... this is the choice of the Georgian people .. they look towards Europe, the USA and somewhere else ...
      the main reason for their direction is the unsatisfactory in that they cannot restore territorial integrity, because even at the time of Shevardnadze he was close to Russia and still Russia did not help restore the territory ... therefore they rushed to the other side .. hi
      even with the advent of Ivanishvili, the main vector is still directed west ....
      1. self-propelled
        self-propelled 18 June 2013 10: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: smersh70
        this is the choice of the Georgian people .. they look towards Europe, the USA and somewhere else ..

        I think this is the problem of most of the former Soviet republics. newly formed independent states (or rather their governments) cannot decide who they should be. there is such a crude, but correct saying, showing the essence of these rulers - "he wants to eat a fish and ... sit down". only, perhaps I repeat, often the people and the government have little in common ...
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 18 June 2013 10: 59 New
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          Quote: self-propelled
          I think this is the problem of most of the former Soviet republics



          It’s clear to everyone that the key to many problems of the former republics is in Moscow, that it’s worth putting Armenia in its place (because of the occupation of 20% of the territory of Azerbaijan, etc., etc.) ..... The point is that the unsolvability of many problems suits the Russian leadership to manipulate the processes .. here you can still understand Russia, because it is a big country, the heavy inheritance came from the EBN in the light of international relations .. but people on the ground have it all on the drum .... everyone wants live in peace.....
          1. smile
            smile 18 June 2013 14: 46 New
            +8
            smersh70
            Yeah, we will crush our ally to please you. There the power will naturally change - and bye, ally and our influence in the region. Azerbaijan, of course, will thank us ... already twice! BUT its orientation towards Turkey hostile to us and no less hostile to the United States will not change. It will also be modestly mentioned in and out of place how he, so small, defeated Russia ... so weakened. This we have already passed — and everywhere and always there is one scenario.
            By the way, I don’t mention the fact that an instant war will start — you yourself don’t hide it ... thanks for the advice ... here I can’t understand, do you really think so by naivety?
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 18 June 2013 15: 32 New
              +3
              Quote: smile
              Ally and our influence in the region.



              what an ally it is.) a parasite on the neck of Russia ... read here

              ArmRosgazprom to Gazprom, the latest armored vehicles to Azerbaijan, the choice is Armenia
              Alexander Gareginain
              Today, a number of media outlets yelled in an unheard-of cry: it turns out that in the office of Gazprom’s head Miller, the local energy minister was discussing the possibility of increasing Gazprom’s stake in ArmRosGazprom to 100%, while Azerbaijan allegedly received the latest armored vehicles from Russia for a billion dollars.
              in general, it is surprising that the impudence and cynicism of those who are indignant at such news. And their behavior and way of thinking, so destructive for Armenia, should provoke indignation. And in this regard, I would like to express several considerations.
              The sale of arms to Azerbaijan is a favorite topic of local Westerners, Russophobes and grant-eaters. They have never seen their indignation at the Israeli arms deliveries to Azerbaijan, either American or European. And when air defense systems of the 70-80s of the last century and armored vehicles of not the first freshness come from Russia, they will definitely write here that "Russian tanks will shoot at Karabakh."
              Actually, the entire Armenian political elite, including the specialist in "self-determination" Paruyr Hayrikyan, should decide: either we’ll go to the West and get a donut hole and lose Russia as a strategic ally, or we’ll go to our native civilization environment and lose the hole from a donut, but in return we receive Russia as a strategic partner and provide ourselves with genuine guarantees of genuine security in this dangerous and unpredictable world.
              There is still time until November. Let's see what decision will be made in Armenia fellow
              1. smile
                smile 18 June 2013 17: 01 New
                +3
                smersh70
                Figuratively speaking, I have always treated Dashnaks no better than Musavatists. And we cannot but see. that there is a struggle of the elites-who is for us-who-against .. But no, no, but all the same, an ally. On their territory, we have our own interests and a base that allows us to project power (hello Gabala). In addition, Armenia, to some extent, is a counterbalance to Turkish influence and, admittedly, Azerbaijan. Of course, we try to be in normal relations with both you and them. But you have chosen your benchmarks even earlier - and this is by no means us. Moreover, we are absolutely not interested in escalating the war in your region. And without us, it will definitely arise there and, naturally, our friends in the USA and Turkey will certainly stick in it in this case ... well, is it incomprehensible here?
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 18 June 2013 17: 11 New
                  +1
                  Quote: smile
                  But you chose your benchmarks even earlier


                  You speak as Comrade Lopatov)))) in foreign policy, we have an equilateral relationship with everyone (except Alkaida of course) ..... a lot has been written in the comments in all branches regarding Azerbaijan .. I will not repeat it .. you can read there ..
                  but all the same I want to remind
                  1. if we are buying weapons from Russia at world prices-about 10 billion dolar, if you please pay for Gabala world prices, but not that the price of bugatti = fan
                  2 we are not interested in the war either - but 20% of the territory is occupied ... 1 million refugees ..... how long can you wait .. while Armenia comes to its senses .. a generation is growing that does not know its homeland .... Russia has restored its territory . Integrity. YOU can, but we cannot
                  so tell your outpost, not your ally, to free the land.
                  1. arminidi
                    arminidi 18 June 2013 17: 28 New
                    0
                    what is the article about, and what are your comments about ????
                    And here is Armenia ...... ????
                    1. smersh70
                      smersh70 18 June 2013 17: 35 New
                      +1
                      Quote: arminidi
                      what is the article about, and what are your comments about ???? And where is Armenia ...... ????


                      Friend !! civil defense right food !!!!!!!!! .. smile
                      read all the comments first .. then say ... smile
                  2. smile
                    smile 18 June 2013 18: 28 New
                    0
                    smersh70 (
                    If they behaved like allies, they would buy weapons at domestic prices, like Belarus.
                    If they behaved as allies, the Karabakh problem would have been solved long ago.
                    We are not to blame. that Azerbaijan behaved exactly the way it behaved is your choice, with which we must reckon, we are reckoning.
                    And if your leadership believed that it would be possible to spit in Russia and count on our help at the expense of the interests of Russia, we are not to blame for this .... it’s difficult to get off the tree and not tear off the ass ... your leadership has chosen friendship with our enemies. .. the result is obvious ...
                    If you want to restore your integrity, go for it! But they do not command the allies, they agree with the allies ... however, as with the enemies.
                    And let's stop the argument - I don't want to swear.
                  3. kubanec
                    kubanec 19 June 2013 17: 11 New
                    0
                    the territory of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE has not yet been restored
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 18 June 2013 13: 10 New
        +6
        Quote: smersh70
        even at the time of Shchevardnadze he was close to Russia and still Russia did not help restore the territory ...

        Yeah, I want to restore Georgian territory, but you can distribute the territory of the USSR. Under the deal on the transfer of the shelf in the Far East are the signatures of Gorbachev and Shevarnadze ...
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 18 June 2013 13: 34 New
          -1
          Quote: Misantrop
          Under the deal on the transfer of the shelf in the Far East are the signatures of Gorbachev and Shevarnadze ...


          I understand that Russia, in revenge of Shchevarnadze. takes revenge on Georgia. fellow that He is the father of Georgia or co-owner. well, this is not serious)))))))))))))))))
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 18 June 2013 15: 24 New
            +3
            Quote: smersh70
            I understand that Russia, in revenge of Shchevarnadze. takes revenge on Georgia.

            And what does Russia have to do with it? She, as always, only responds to aggression request Mkhedrioni staged a massacre in Pitsunda, attacking, among other things, a Russian sanatorium, attacking Tskhinval (brother then took part in the release operation). Russia had to wipe and forgive? And why the hell? 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX the attack also began with the destruction of Russian peacekeepers at the checkpoint (and it was their Georgian colleagues who killed the sleeping peacekeepers), the Grads later hit the sleeping city. Is it forgiven too? So mother Teresa lives at a different address request
            1. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 15: 43 New
              -8
              Quote: Misantrop
              And what does Russia have to do with it? She, as always, only responds to aggression

              Yes, no, nothing to do with, just like that, for the 2 weeks, the separatists just got tanks of samoneletiki and BASAEV from somewhere!
              Quote: Misantrop
              Mkhedrioni massacred in Pitsunda,

              I didn’t hear, but Most of the Mhedrionites were kami! and their leader now lives well in Russia
              Quote: Misantrop
              attacking, including the Russian sanatorium, attacked Tskhinval (

              so in the Gori Russians killed several Georgian soldiers for no reason

              Quote: Misantrop
              08.08.08 attack also began with the destruction of Russian peacekeepers at a checkpoint

              Quote: Misantrop
              Grads "later hit the sleeping city

              I remember something different) 07 art shelling began! Hurry, the city of Kator was evacuated on 2 August? there is a video art of shelling but it is not fixed where they shot
              Quote: Misantrop
              Is it forgiven too?

              and the massacre in Gagra need to be forgiven? Gruzinov genocide in 90 oh yes from Sukhum Shevardnadze the Russian special forces rescued) did not want the Russian guards so that Gamsakhurdia would return to the Authority!
              1. omsbon
                omsbon 18 June 2013 16: 59 New
                +3
                Quote: GEOKING95
                Grads "later hit the sleeping city
                I remember something different) 07 art shelling began!

                Unfinished member, or what? The nightmares of 08.08.08 memories torment you.?
                1. Geokingxnumx
                  Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 17: 22 New
                  -5
                  Quote: omsbon
                  Unfinished member, or what? The nightmares of 08.08.08 memories torment you.?

                  ))) art shelling began on August 7 23: 40 hours))
              2. Misantrop
                Misantrop 18 June 2013 17: 02 New
                +3
                Quote: GEOKING95
                in 2 weeks, tanks of samaletiki and BASAEV appeared from somewhere!

                An-2 and 2 trike are ALL of the Air Force of Abkhazia in the 1993 year (when the conflict was already underway). And all the armored vehicles of the Abkhaz army then ... were captured. Well, the Basayev family at that time lived in Abkhazia in the village of Lykhny. Should they let themselves be slaughtered? By the way, not so long ago in this forum, the man who fought there proved to me that Basayev’s detachment did not take part in that war at all request
                Quote: GEOKING95
                I didn’t hear, but Most of the Mhedrionites were kami! and their leader now lives well in Russia

                The leader of Mherdioni was the then president of Georgia, Zviad Gamsakhurdia. Where do you say he lives now? wink
                Quote: GEOKING95
                and the massacre in Gagra need to be forgiven? Gruzinov genocide in the 90th need to be forgiven?

                What was unleashed is what they got request
                1. Geokingxnumx
                  Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 17: 27 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  An-2 and 2 trike are ALL of the Air Force of Abkhazia in the 1993 year (when the conflict was already underway). And all the armored vehicles of the Abkhaz army then ... were captured. Well, the Basayev family at that time lived in Abkhazia in the village of Lykhny. Should they let themselves be slaughtered? By the way, not so long ago in this forum, the man who fought there proved to me that Basayev’s detachment did not take part in that war at all

                  laughing Oh oh oh! even Russia admitted that he was supplying a separate separatist and most of the warriors were not Abkhazians! and manpower! Tamish landing for example! where there was a stat about the Rossisk pilot pilot participated in the war)
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  The leader of Mherdioni was the then president of Georgia, Zviad Gamsakhurdia. Where do you say he lives now?

                  oh god! at least in ipikedii would come in and read! The Mkhedrions were against Gamsakhurdia! and the leaders were Jaba Ioseliani (died) and Kitovani kator belly in Russia
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  What was unleashed is what they got

                  well done!
                  1. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 18 June 2013 22: 49 New
                    +3
                    Quote: GEOKING95
                    oh god! at least in ipikedii would come in and read! The Mkhedrions were against Gamsakhurdia!

                    Wikipedia will not write it either. And you - believe. wassat The fact that in the country there may normally exist an armed organization opposed to the incumbent president. Moreover, not only to exist, but also to unleash wars of their own mind laughing Bees vs. Honey and Vegetarian Tigers laughing
                    Quote: GEOKING95
                    where there was a stat about the Rossisk pilot pilot participated in the war
                    Do you believe everything that is written? Or just what is beneficial? I personally prefer to watch with my own eyes. Or ask those who were there. From directly fought, not from corrupt hacks
                    1. Geokingxnumx
                      Geokingxnumx 19 June 2013 11: 23 New
                      0
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      Wikipedia will not write it either. And you - believe. The fact that in the country there may normally exist an armed organization opposed to the incumbent president. Moreover, not only to exist, but also to wage war in your mind to unleash bees against honey and vegetarian tigers

                      hot i said! It’s all because you don’t know what happened there! The Mkhedrionites signaled Gamsakhurdia and there was a Civil War

                      Quote: Misantrop
                      Do you believe everything that is written? Or just what is beneficial? I personally prefer to watch with my own eyes. Or ask those who were there. From directly fought, not from corrupt hacks

                      Have you seen with your own eyes? you were there?
                      1. Misantrop
                        Misantrop 19 June 2013 12: 33 New
                        0
                        Quote: GEOKING95
                        Have you seen with your own eyes? you were there?

                        I AM? It was. Month, in the summer of 1993. And the brother in the 345 DCPA is generally five years old from the 93rd starting.
                        AND YOU?
              3. Corsair
                Corsair 19 June 2013 00: 11 New
                +1
                Quote: GEOKING95
                so in the Gori Russians killed several Georgian soldiers for no reason

                Misantrop Quote:
                Mkhedrioni massacred in Pitsunda, including attacking a Russian sanatorium

                Do you put an equal sign between these facts?
                1. Geokingxnumx
                  Geokingxnumx 19 June 2013 11: 24 New
                  0
                  Quote: Corsair
                  Do you put an equal sign between these facts?

                  I said that I did not know about this fact! and I wrote that the Mkhedrions most of them were BAD GUYS! and 99% Georgians hate them!
        2. tupolev-95
          tupolev-95 18 June 2013 17: 20 New
          +5
          This territory was Georgian only as part of the Union. There is no Union and let independent Georgia now smoke bamboo.
          1. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 17: 28 New
            -7
            Quote: Tupolev-95
            This territory was Georgian only as part of the Union.

            ))) blah blah blah!
      3. smile
        smile 18 June 2013 14: 37 New
        +8
        smersh70
        Georgia turned its searching gaze away from Russia, not because of the impossibility of restoring integrity, but because the entire national elite that came to power in almost all the republics was united except for the thirst for power by one - ardent Russophobia. Georgia is no exception. Given this, as well as a quarter of a century of total Russophobic propaganda, which was especially intensified with honest Mishiko, we have what we have - a generation has grown. who believes that the evil colonizer of Russia has stolen her happy future from the progressive girl of Georgia, Georgians are looking to the West. As you say, rushed to each other ... to merge in fraternal embrace ...
        I’m far from the idea of ​​considering all Georgians to be enemies, but very little has changed under Gasoline ... and what else can be expected from the next, only more reasonable US puppet?
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 18 June 2013 15: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: smile
          the entire national elite that came to power in almost all the republics was united except for the thirst for power by one - ardent Russophobia. Georgia is no exception.
          Well, Americans don’t pay for anything else request
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 18 June 2013 15: 38 New
          -1
          Quote: smile
          national elite was united


          and not only the national elite ...... you read Lenin .. without the support of the masses, no one would have come to power there .......
          and ardent Russophobia arose because it was in the release of Abkhazia that the EBN was in hand .. during the student years the Abkhazians themselves joked that their people could fit in the Maracan stadium))) well, who would believe that suddenly they had tanks and heavy weapons from the sky .. Rutskoi himself admitted that he ordered the capture of Sukhumi when he was vice president .... hi
          1. smile
            smile 18 June 2013 15: 59 New
            +6
            smersh70 (
            I beg you ... Do not distort - Russophobia bloomed in all the republics in the finals of the USSR. All ethnic conflicts without exception originated before the collapse of the USSR. And we began to participate in this when it was already blazing with might and main. And what, do you think that we acted badly, supporting those who were better for us than other obvious enemies?
            The lying perestroika disinformation is only part of the propaganda that has struck our heads - the opinion of the electorate has been formed - here you have the support of the masses. I would be more careful in your place that the masses supported - otherwise it turns out that the whole Georgian people are guilty of the bloody exploits of the Georgian authorities, who have received a fair rebuff.
            I also talked with classmates from Georgians at this time, do you think that they together accused their elite of pathological Russophobia to please me? With my Vainakh surname? :))))
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 18 June 2013 16: 30 New
              +1
              Quote: smile
              Without exception, ethnic conflicts arose even before the collapse of the USSR.



              so at the head of the USSR were mostly Russians, Ukrainians .. Belarus ..... they would give someone the brains .an no .... Raisa somehow received a diamond from the hands of US Armenians ..... or look at the referendum on about the preservation of the USSR, Azerbaijan was in the first place in the vote. so questions comrade is not for us .... hi
              1. smile
                smile 18 June 2013 17: 14 New
                +2
                smersh70
                I agree, indeed - all questions to the leadership and to all national elites, the overwhelming majority of which were under the strict guidance of our main enemy - now all Lithuanians, for example, figures of that time, compete in memoirs, telling. how, how and where, from 70-80s they were contacted, trained. organized and financed by the crusaders - they are terribly proud of it ... but it was like that everywhere, and not just in the Baltic states ...

                Please, don’t drag it to the place and not to the place of the Armenians. Well, it’s jarring ... I understand that you have enmity and you there have spoiled each other above the roof ... but there is a limit to everything, huh? So whoever directs the American Armenians, I think, is that clear? From here to them, by the way, and the "Westernist mood" in the elite ...
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop 19 June 2013 00: 37 New
            0
            Quote: smersh70
            all of a sudden tanks and heavy weapons appeared from heaven from them ..

            Did you see him, that heavy weapon? I just came across pictures of the beaten Georgian ...
            Quote: smersh70
            Rutskoi himself admitted that he ordered the capture of Sukhumi when he was vice president ....

            And was it not on the orders of Rutskoi that the landing was being prepared for the moon? In your opinion, the vice president of the Russian Federation had nothing more to do? And when did Rutskoi command the army of Abkhazia?
            Tomorrow, Saakashvili “admits” that Kennedy was killed on his orders, will you believe him too? laughing
    4. Airman
      Airman 18 June 2013 14: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Kovrovsky
      It is time for the Georgian people to understand that such a president must be driven by a filthy broom!


      Yes, the people then understood, only to drive them out of these seats is hard, they hold on to them with their hands and teeth.
  3. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 18 June 2013 08: 45 New
    11
    What did the GEORGIAN SOLDIERS in AFGHANISTAN lose?
    Native SWANET thousands of miles from Afghanistan - around a hostile population and the Yankees use Georgians as cannon fodder.
    Georgians come home why do you need a FOREIGN COUNTRY.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 18 June 2013 09: 04 New
      +9
      Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
      What did the GEORGIAN SOLDIERS in AFGHANISTAN lose?
      Native SWANET thousands of miles from Afghanistan - around a hostile population and the Yankees use Georgians as cannon fodder.
      Georgians come home why do you need a FOREIGN COUNTRY.

      The political decision on the direction of the Georgian troops contingent was made by the leadership, and the staff goes for money, they pay good money (military, travel, daily subsistence allowance, etc.). Of course, people hope that they will carry it and they will return, but not everyone was lucky now others will start to think. then the percentage will still try to go lovers to fight, they are always and everywhere.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 18 June 2013 13: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
      Native SWANET thousands of miles from Afghanistan - around a hostile population and the Yankees use Georgians as cannon fodder.

      Exactly so, Svaneti did not participate in the Georgian-Abkhaz conflict. For which I paid ...
  4. slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 18 June 2013 08: 47 New
    +2
    It is a pity the people of Georgia suffer from such an infection ...
  5. domokl
    domokl 18 June 2013 08: 52 New
    14
    Here's something like a drum for me with Georgian problems. Georgians want to become Europeans, they hold the flag in their hands. They want to get zinc from Afghanistan, the second flag.
  6. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 18 June 2013 08: 54 New
    12
    you need to pay for handouts when you don’t have anything to pay in kind - in this case, cannon fodder. what is the price of american democracy
  7. Yura
    Yura 18 June 2013 09: 14 New
    +6
    The soldier is sorry. Mishiko killed people because of the empty talk.
  8. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 18 June 2013 09: 14 New
    +3
    Perhaps the Georgian authorities will understand that they were really wrong! And to pursue the imaginary values ​​of the West for the Caucasian state, which is an integral part of the once large country called the USSR, is not very good. It all affects the common people. "Mother will forgive everything," as they say ...
  9. Dimy4
    Dimy4 18 June 2013 09: 23 New
    +1
    Mishiko povy?:% Hesitated, but ordinary soldiers answered for it.
  10. Dima190579
    Dima190579 18 June 2013 09: 23 New
    +2
    Why Georgians are dying in Afghanistan. For green toilet paper. Or for promises that no one will ever fulfill.
  11. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 18 June 2013 09: 30 New
    +1
    Which Georgians are “warriors” became clear in August 2008. Saakashvili’s “fighting efficiency” was also appreciated all over the world when he chewed his tie and, in a fit of panic, was hiding from the drone of the engines of the Russian Su-25. In words, in parades, they are heroes, brave guys, but when it comes to military operations, all this somehow disappears, but the "rocket launcher" intensifies.
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 09: 54 New
      10
      Quote: VohaAhov
      Which Georgians are “warriors” became clear in August 2008. Saakashvili’s “fighting efficiency” was also appreciated all over the world when he chewed his tie and, in a fit of panic, was hiding from the drone of the engines of the Russian Su-25. In words, in parades, they are heroes, brave guys, but when it comes to military operations, all this somehow disappears, but the "rocket launcher" intensifies.

      So Cantaria was not a former warrior? not those who fought in World War II, not those who fought in Afghanistan 80's)))
      1. LaGlobal
        LaGlobal 18 June 2013 10: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: GEOKING95
        So Cantaria was not a former warrior? not those who fought in World War II, not those who fought in Afghanistan 80's)))


        After all, we are not talking about those times! There is no doubt that Georgians are honest and good people. But the Georgian government very carefully instills in you the theme of "invaders and invaders." And you, as naive kids, believe them. And God forbid, if any enemy comes to your land, you will defend it and be excellent warriors.
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 10: 15 New
          +7
          Quote: LaGlobal
          After all, we are not talking about those times! There is no doubt that Georgians are honest and good people. But the Georgian government very carefully instills in you the theme of "invaders and invaders." And you, as naive kids, believe them. And God forbid, if any enemy comes to your land, you will defend it and be excellent warriors.

          Great warriors and cowardly warriors always exist in any country! But the most dangerous cowardly and fools of the ruler! excuse me, but your authority is as deceitful as ours
          1. Rider
            Rider 18 June 2013 17: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: GEOKING95
            excuse me, but your authority is as deceitful as ours


            Well, at least our neckties do not chew.
            over there, Putin shaved off Kemiron so much that he should stock up on ties at the time.

            Well, there’s a slight difference between yours and ours.
            Our lead independent policy.
            and yours stand in the pose of "what you please."
      2. fokino1980
        fokino1980 18 June 2013 10: 20 New
        +6
        Why compare the holy with this muck ??? And Kantaria and hundreds of thousands of Georgians in World War II, the guys in the SA in the DRA are the defenders of the MOTHERLAND !!! And here the main premise is lost - Homeland! After all, everyone perfectly understood and understand who they are in these Misha games!
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 10: 30 New
          -2
          Quote: fokino1980
          Why compare the sacred with this muck ??

          respectfully
          Quote: fokino1980
          And Cantaria and hundreds of thousands of Georgians in World War II,

          and Cantaria and many other signals from Abkhazia
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 18 June 2013 13: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: GEOKING95
            and Cantaria and many other signals from Abkhazia

            And when did this happen? After the hostilities ended, Kantaria came to my brother, at that time - to the block commander in the Gali district. He then died a friend, also a veteran of the Second World War and it was necessary to organize a decent funeral. Organized. By the way, the brother and his fighters helped ensure the first wedding in those places
            1. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 13: 41 New
              0
              Quote: Misantrop
              And when did this happen? After the hostilities ended, Kantaria came to my brother, at that time - to the block commander in the Gali district. He then died a friend, also a veteran of the Second World War and it was necessary to organize a decent funeral. Organized. By the way, the brother and his fighters helped ensure the first wedding in those places

              Xnumx's this happened
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 18 June 2013 13: 36 New
            0
            Quote: GEOKING95
            and Cantaria and many other signals from Abkhazia



            HORROR !!!!! I imagine what was happening in Cantaria’s soul ....... angry it would be better if he died before all these events .... so as not to see what is happening ......
            1. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 13: 43 New
              +1
              Quote: smersh70
              HORROR !!!!! I imagine what was happening in Cantaria’s soul ....... it would be better if he died before all these events .... so as not to see what is happening ......

              yes pradva horror! he could not look at it
              Quote: smersh70
              it would be better if he died before all these events .... so as not to see what is happening ......

              my grandfather was a veteran and he died 79 year! father said it was good that he did not see it!
            2. smile
              smile 18 June 2013 14: 58 New
              +2
              smersh70
              Yes, when he fell under a barrage of Russophobia that the new authorities had collapsed on the Georgians, he probably regretted that he was not young and could not pick up a machine gun and crush the new Georgian elite. Probably he, as a Soviet man, also did not like the actions of Georgians on Abkhazian land, which led to the exodus of Georgians from the land. which Georgian nationalists wanted to clear of Abkhazians ... there is nothing to be horrified ...
              1. Geokingxnumx
                Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 15: 32 New
                0
                Quote: smile
                Yes, when he fell under a barrage of Russophobia that the new authorities had collapsed on the Georgians, he probably regretted that he was not young and could not pick up a machine gun and crush the new Georgian elite. Probably he, as a Soviet man, also did not like the actions of Georgians on Abkhazian land, which led to the exodus of Georgians from the land. which Georgian nationalists wanted to clear of Abkhazians ... there is nothing to be horrified ...

                Do not change the story! Acts of the Georgians? Yes there were acts of the Mkhedrionians who did not like anyone. But there is nothing to compare the actions of Basayev in Abkhazia! ACTION OF THE BAGHAM Battalion! ACTIONS Yeltsin’s cataracts armed the two Parties but helped in the Living Force, the so-called Abkhazians (Syrians Armenians Chechens as vkaztsi and then Abkhazians)! Russophobia Americanphobia Georgianophobia will always be in some people! but you forget that many Russians died in Abkhazia and the majority killed them BASAEV!
                Quote: smile
                which Georgian nationalists wanted to clear of Abkhazians

                interesting is that more Abkhazians live in Adjara than in Abkhazia itself))

                oh yes Kantaria is not Abkhazian (Georgian) last name but Megrelian (Georgian)! Kantaria wept what happened in Abkhazia and did not justify which sides!
                1. smile
                  smile 18 June 2013 16: 14 New
                  +3
                  Geokingxnumx
                  Do you really think that we controlled the Confederation of Mountain Peoples? And you, I hope, remember her role in these events?
                  We then had a slightly smaller mess than yours. Therefore, the weapon went to the left, and sometimes into the hands of our enemies. And there were mercenaries. But we supported those. who treated us better. Or do you think that we were obliged to support our open enemies? Why then don’t you do it yourself?
                  Then, Russians were then killed and robbed in almost all republics, somewhere more, somewhere less, but almost everywhere, this was the only thing that united the independent national movements ...
                  Naturally, I could not put the entire history of the conflict in 4 lines - so I exaggerated slightly.
                  And Kantaria is sorry ... to end the life, to endure the destruction of all worldview values ​​... it's scary. And the fact that he did not justify all parties just characterizes him from the best side.
      3. volkodav
        volkodav 18 June 2013 10: 52 New
        +5
        during World War II, until the front approached the Georgian SSR, Georgia had the largest number of draft evaders. more than 25000 Georgians fought on the side of Hitler, (on the occasion that both Russians and Ukrainians also fought a lot on the side of Germany, take the percentage of the national composition of the Red Army in the Second World War. And after that yelp
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 13: 10 New
          0
          Quote: volkodav
          during World War II, until the front approached the Georgian SSR, Georgia had the largest number of draft evaders.

          ) anyway! My grandfather, his brother and isho two two-brother brothers themselves went to fight! well, my grandfather’s second brother was in the Army
          Quote: volkodav
          more 25000 Georgians fought on the side of Hitler,

          Yes they were! and many of them were emigrating 1921 year! Hitler took advantage of this) and promoted them! then there was texel) no one justifies them! and the Georgians fought for Poland in World War II and for France)))
      4. Airman
        Airman 18 June 2013 11: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: GEOKING95
        Quote: VohaAhov
        Which Georgians are “warriors” became clear in August 2008. Saakashvili’s “fighting efficiency” was also appreciated all over the world when he chewed his tie and, in a fit of panic, was hiding from the drone of the engines of the Russian Su-25. In words, in parades, they are heroes, brave guys, but when it comes to military operations, all this somehow disappears, but the "rocket launcher" intensifies.

        So Cantaria was not a former warrior? not those who fought in World War II, not those who fought in Afghanistan 80's)))


        VICTORY Banner over the Reichstag was raised by another RUSSIAN, but Yegorov and Kantaria were appointed by the decision of Stalin. So you can not be proud of it, you can’t deceive the story.
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 13: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: Povshnik
          VICTORY Banner over the Reichstag was raised by another RUSSIAN, but Yegorov and Kantaria were appointed by the decision of Stalin. So you can not be proud of it, you can’t deceive the story.

          maybe life or maybe not)))
      5. shark
        shark 18 June 2013 18: 38 New
        +3
        no need to juggle. Kantaria and many thousands of Georgians who fought on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War are truly HERO. They have earned honor and eternal glory. But you lost it by blowing up a monument dedicated to them. So consider Kantaria, etc. Russian. If you don’t need them, we will gladly take this heroic Georgians ’story into our history. And now, having completely got rid of the heritage of the damned Soviet past, you can be fully grown into the arms of the Geyevropeans. One word, the Georgians have come.
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 19 June 2013 11: 25 New
          0
          Quote: shark
          no need to juggle. Kantaria and many thousands of Georgians who fought on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War are truly HERO. They have earned honor and eternal glory. But you lost it by blowing up a monument dedicated to them. So consider Kantaria, etc. Russian. If you don’t need them, we will gladly take this heroic Georgians ’story into our history. And now, having completely got rid of the heritage of the damned Soviet past, you can be fully grown into the arms of the Geyevropeans. One word, the Georgians have come.

          do not confuse me Saakashvili! and to Cantaria the signals from his house of the 90's!
    2. experienced
      experienced 18 June 2013 10: 00 New
      +7
      Quote: VohaAhov
      Which Georgians are “warriors” became clear in August 2008.

      Put you a minus. If you yourself participated in those events, you would understand your sarcasm. The situation was such that after the intervention of Russia they had nothing to do, the cat cannot fill up the bear, this is an axiom.
      You must be more respectful hi
  12. The gentleman
    The gentleman 18 June 2013 09: 33 New
    +3
    the first time he ate his tie. what will eat this time?
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 18 June 2013 09: 56 New
      0
      Yes, in any way he’ll eat the chenyd himself. Wait, the dogs will get poisoned.
    2. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 18 June 2013 10: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Gentleman
      the first time he ate his tie. what will eat this time?


      - I think we should already forget about these "incidents"! After all, wise people? And the wise will not laugh at the sick.

      As they say: neighing and that's enough. How much can you fight ??
  13. pensioner
    pensioner 18 June 2013 09: 50 New
    +4
    Georgia has become one of such satellites of the "progressive" West, the authorities of which are ready to sprinkle the altar with the blood of their people for the sole purpose that the West does not deprive the Caucasian state of its attention.

    Here! Holy words !! How saka will explain to mothers and relatives: WHAT did the boys die for? Will come to the funeral?

    He believes that the two detainees were on the territory of Georgia with the permission of Saakashvili himself, who was trying to actively use the microgroups of representatives of the North Caucasus to create the so-called controlled chaos in the region, which (chaos) was supposed to hit Russia.

    They came in handy after all. Not so - so commercials.
    Thrifty bastard.

    The emphasis on determination was in the spirit of the Georgian president, who, in front of the cameras of the reporters, began to interrogate Georgian soldiers, how they destroyed the Taliban, and how easy it was for them. Like, look, friends from NATO - and you still don’t want to take us under your warm wing ...

    The filter will not pass!

    they closed one base and fled to another, then they closed another, and ran to the third.

    Well, they can run ...
    Wonderful article. Thanks to Alexey Volodin!
  14. George
    George 18 June 2013 09: 51 New
    +6
    We know your names, your addresses well. We know your relatives. We will come to Georgia.

    I readily believe. Afghans in Georgia know the way when they advanced to Chechnya to fight with our guys.
    Kaktam at L. Filatov:
    - Truly retribution of the bridle, the lascivious will find the ass.
  15. shamil
    shamil 18 June 2013 10: 00 New
    +1
    caved in front of the Americans, and they are his soldier in the most troubled region-, Nieher does not understand, the political corpse
    I would have chained him alone in Ossetia in the main square
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 18 June 2013 11: 56 New
      0
      If in Tskhinvali, then you don’t need to rivet. They’ll scrape it off everywhere.
  16. Geokingxnumx
    Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 10: 01 New
    +4
    about the video he was made in Georgia, and not the Taliban did it! when jihad is announced, the leader of the grouping makes his face visible and the grouping flags are behind them! and isho do not use the word crusader as I know!

    about the export of the Army from Afghanistan is not possible because the contact must be fulfilled! Rasmussen said that no matter how many soldiers there will be in Afghanistan, this will not reduce or add a prigoddenie to NATO!
    Mishiko made a public relations campaign and increased the Georgian contigent, to the worst block in Helmand!

    Why do soldiers go there? Well, I wrote about it! Many for the experience, but most for the money that would nokarmit family
    !
    1. shamil
      shamil 18 June 2013 10: 09 New
      +2
      an experience? for what. And how much Americans pay Georgians .A
      And what about the combat experience, to repel Ossetia? Answer please!
      1. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 10: 13 New
        -2
        Quote: shamil
        experience?

        shooting and career help
        Quote: shamil
        And how much Americans pay to Georgians

        Well, the title is different pay, about 2000 $
        Quote: shamil
        And what about the combat experience, to repel Ossetia?

        We didn’t beat Ossetia, but what do we need in Ossetia oh yes I mean Ossetia North Ossetia and there is real Ossetia
        before the war, for some reason, Russia supported the so-called South Ossetia Georgian territory! 2004 was also a conflict, but for some reason Russia did not get involved in this conflict,
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 18 June 2013 11: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: GEOKING95
          before the war, for some reason, Russia supported the so-called South Ossetia Georgian territory! 2004 was also a conflict, but for some reason Russia did not get involved in this conflict,

          Georgia rendered and renders strong support to the "bearded" in the North Caucasus. Here you have the consistency of causes, effects and consequences.
          Abkhazia and South Ossetia have long been self-determined, and what Sakartvelo has done with Adjara is unsettling them.
          Want to have a piece of someone else's pie?
          So invest or provide services to the owner and he will thank you.
          And if you can’t offer anything or don’t wish, then you have your problems.
          (This is regarding the claims of Sakartvelo to Abkhazia and South Ossetia)
          1. dc120mm
            dc120mm 18 June 2013 11: 15 New
            -1
            Quote: Papakiko
            Georgia rendered and renders strong support to the "bearded" in the North Caucasus.

            Yes, but not Georgia, but Misha and his gang. Seichas is no longer providing, on the contrary fights take off as he can.
          2. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 13: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: Papakiko
            Georgia rendered and renders strong support to the "bearded" in the North Caucasus.

            Will I be reminded of who supported their 90-s Godoch in Abkhazia ??
            then, after the war, 90's were held until the 2004 year, then the borders were closed for them and then it opened after 08 08 08
            Quote: Papakiko
            Abkhazia and South Ossetia have long been self-determined, and what Sakartvelo has done with Adjara is unsettling them.

            I’m an Adjarian. Tell me what has been done with Adjara. Tell me?
            Quote: Papakiko
            Want to have a piece of someone else's pie?

            I don’t need someone else's)
        2. shamil
          shamil 18 June 2013 11: 04 New
          +6
          dear friend! in their territory and citizens, hail systems do not shoot and civilians fleeing
          do not shoot from a machine gun. No army in a civilized country will attack the peacekeepers
          You are ruled by Amerikos and not Georgians. Amerikosy will leave Avgan and they will send yours in coffins, it’s a pity the guys don’t know what they are fighting for
          1. volkodav
            volkodav 18 June 2013 11: 21 New
            -1
            [quote = shamil] dear friend! in their territory and citizens, hail systems do not shoot and civilians fleeing
            do not shoot from a machine gun. No army in a civilized country will attack the peacekeepers
            quite a controversial issue, purely hypothetically the RF Armed Forces in Chechnya also dabbled in this laughing
            1. shamil
              shamil 18 June 2013 11: 38 New
              +2
              Che dabbled in the Chechen Armed Forces? Molested the militants and all evil spirits in Syria. Ossetians did not shoot Georgians
              1. volkodav
                volkodav 18 June 2013 12: 15 New
                0
                Let us recall how the first company began, couldn’t it be possible to bring civilians out of the same terrible, at least those who wish? throwing troops to storm the city, with aviation, artillery, where the citizens of your country are located, is not a crime? Why should the EBN, Grachev Kvashnin not be judged for this? as war criminals, for the genocide of their people
            2. smile
              smile 18 June 2013 15: 10 New
              0
              volkodav
              If you think that we in Chechnya deliberately shot refugees - well, for example, like Georgians, they announced a corridor for peaceful people to exit, and then they shot people who believed, laughing joyfully at the same time, or just entering the village, they shot everyone who caught sight ... then you are very mistaken ... you’ll forgive me, but purely hypothetically, I want to take you by the bastard and shake you well, so that it gets out of you ... in general, all sorts of rubbish.
              1. Geokingxnumx
                Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 15: 35 New
                -2
                Quote: smile
                Well, for example, like Georgians, they announced a corridor for peaceful exit, and then they shot people who believed,

                ok) well done! and not one journalist could not photograph it!
                Quote: smile
                laughing happily at the same time, or just entering the village, they shot everyone who caught the eye

                Did you see it? :)) or didn’t see it but you want it to be so!
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI5ODjNgYIs
                1. smile
                  smile 18 June 2013 16: 31 New
                  +1
                  Geokingxnumx
                  I saw well-known videos shot by Georgian soldiers, on which they joyfully hooting and laughing, they shot cars from heavy machine guns ... If you say that you have not seen them, I won’t believe it. By the way, the Americans used these numerous shots to illustrate the actions of Russian soldiers who bombed the peaceful Georgian Tskhinval and with a gnaw they shot peaceful Georgians ...
                  I’m good for you - a lot of our journalists shot groups of cars and cars that were shot on the road from Tskhinval on the spot or thrown to the sidelines and women who were hysterically pulling their relatives out of this burnt rubbish ... our journalists entered with the troops, the corpses of people have not yet been buried ... just do not need about our propaganda, it will be simply inhuman and hypocritical ...
                  on the video you provided, destroyed houses along the road ... no comment .... so what? Why give a link?
          2. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 13: 16 New
            -2
            Quote: shamil
            dear friend! in their territory and citizens, hail systems do not shoot and civilians fleeing

            )) true) is the topic different? but for some reason they always talk about 08 08 08))
            Quote: shamil
            do not shoot from a machine gun

            joke yes?

            Quote: shamil
            No army in a civilized country will attack peacekeepers

            who do you see a "civilized country"?

            Quote: shamil
            You are ruled by Americans and not Georgians

            well yes )
            Quote: shamil
            .Amerikosy will leave Avgan and they will send yours in coffins, it’s a pity the guys don’t know why they are fighting

            do you think we don’t understand this?
            1. shamil
              shamil 18 June 2013 13: 21 New
              0
              good that you understand
        3. pensioner
          pensioner 18 June 2013 12: 03 New
          +3
          Quote: GEOKING95
          Georgian territory!


          Do Ossetians agree with this? And should their opinion be taken into account or not? And why such confidence that your territory? Something in modern times I am talking about Georgia, as an INDEPENDENT state in which state traditions could not be formed over several generations. And take away the "legends of centuries" and tell your grandchildren how to tell a fairy tale.
          1. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 13: 21 New
            -3
            Quote: retired
            Do Ossetians agree with this? And should their opinion be taken into account or not? AND

            Opinion must always be taken into account! and you know that many Ossetians live in the rest of Georgia, I have friends of Ossetians too! I am not saying that these are not their houses, but our houses too!
            Quote: retired
            And why such confidence that your territory?

            maybe because 90-i all signed that it is Georgian land and Russia signed it
            Quote: retired
            Something in modern times I am talking about Georgia, as an INDEPENDENT state in which state traditions could not be formed over several generations.

            you look at the map, what territory is Georgia?
            1. Papakiko
              Papakiko 18 June 2013 13: 38 New
              +4
              Quote: GEOKING95
              maybe because 90-i all signed that it is Georgian land and Russia signed it

              Quote: GEOKING95
              you look at the map, what territory is Georgia?

              In this case, look at the maps of the “official history”, read the “historical sources”, and forget about the fact that something belongs to you somewhere. wink
              1. Geokingxnumx
                Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 13: 45 New
                -3
                Quote: Papakiko
                In this case, look at the maps of the “official history”, read the “historical sources”, and forget about the fact that something belongs to you somewhere.

                no official story exists! this is the biggest lie!
                1. Papakiko
                  Papakiko 18 June 2013 16: 05 New
                  +1
                  Quote: GEOKING95
                  no official story exists! this is the biggest lie!

                  And what is there, how to name what we are “driven into” from school?
                  In this case, you should forget about any pretense!
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 18 June 2013 13: 49 New
            0
            Quote: retired
            And Ossetians agree with this


            Ossetians once self-determined as part of Russia .. and now, what again, self-determined as part of Georgia chtoli, as much as possible)))))))))))
            and in general ... how can there be a state with the establishment of 20 thousand people .... don’t tell me please .... and what kind of president did they have, the head of the motorcade that ran away within half an hour .... would fight like in Brest Fortresses ...
            it will be interesting tomorrow, when 2 Powers-Russia and the United States agree on this issue (on the non-expansion of NATO) and on other issues .... I will then look at the defenders of small nations .. hi .
            1. Papakiko
              Papakiko 18 June 2013 15: 51 New
              +2
              Quote: smersh70
              maybe a state with the settlement of 20 thousand people .... do not tell, please

              Andorra, area: 468 km². Population: 86 !!!
              Liechtenstein, 160,4 km². Population: 36 !!!
              Malta, 316 km². Population: 415 !!!
              Monaco, 202 hectares !!! Population: 35 !!!
              San Marino, 61,2 km². Population: 31 !!!
              Vatican, 44 HECTAR !!! Population: 836 !!!!
              Also, they often include Luxembourg, less often Cyprus and Iceland.
              Do you still have doubts?
              Abkhazia, 8665 km². Population: 240 COULD BE 705 TIMES MORE !!!
              South Ossetia, 3900 km². Population 72 (approximately)
              Quote: smersh70
              it will be interesting tomorrow, when 2 Powers-Russia and the USA agree on this issue

              And to whom and with whom in the geyropa to negotiate with their "micro states"?
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 18 June 2013 16: 38 New
                -2
                Quote: Papakiko
                Andorra, area: 468 km². Population: 86 !!! Liechtenstein, 165 km². Population: 160,4 !!! Malta, 36 km². Population: 476 !!! Monaco, 316 hectares !!! Population: 415 654 !!! San Marino, 202 km². Population: 35 !!! Vatican City, 427 HECTAR


                Well, dear - all the states of the WORLD recognized their independence and these states have been formed for centuries !!!!! Compared South Ossetia and Monaco ... fellow .
                by the way, by population .. excluding the Vatican (well, that’s understandable) .. You didn’t bring me a smaller state than the number of Yu.O. in Europe .. hi
                So look for the following. Clauses))))))))
                1. Papakiko
                  Papakiko 18 June 2013 17: 30 New
                  0
                  Quote: smersh70
                  So look for the following.

                  And for what purpose do I need it, ask yourself?
                  If you are solely responsible for your incompetence.
                  Quote: smersh70
                  by the way, by population .. excluding the Vatican (well, that’s understandable) .. You didn’t bring me a smaller state of S.O.

                  Here I already cried .... wassat
                2. shark
                  shark 18 June 2013 18: 51 New
                  0
                  Do you know what is always fun? And why did you get the idea that Ossetia, Abkhazi, Georgia are in Europe?
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 18 June 2013 22: 03 New
                    +1
                    Quote: shark
                    What did you take that Ossetia, Abkhazi, Georgia are in Europe?


                    Sorry. I looked at the map - they are in America. laughing
                    and where else would they be, if they were not in southeastern Europe, then the countries of the Transcaucasus would not be represented in the Council of Europe or would not play at the European Championship in ()) ombol ... hi
            2. pensioner
              pensioner 18 June 2013 18: 55 New
              0
              Good evening SMERSH! It seems you are a sane person. So what: he ran away at the first shots ... The nation then made an amendment ... 20. Not enough? But they are! And they don’t want to live under the Georgians! Or do not want to !! Understand, don’t understand !! And try to prove to them - they are Georgians ... Yes, after 000 seconds the evidence will be torn into pieces ... So ...
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 18 June 2013 22: 07 New
                +1
                Quote: retired
                Then the nation made an amendment ... 20. Not enough? But they are! And they don’t want to live under the Georgians! Or do not want to!


                For your information. A refugee town is located on the road to Gori. and basically Ossetians live there, who left on the 8th in Tbilisi, and who left at the call of the South Ossetian government, which is supported by Tbilisi .... so the Ossetians have a split ..
                but no one even proves to them that they are Georgians .... and now, with your permission, we will draw an analogy in Chechnya .. rearrange the positions ... and everything will be one to one))))))
        4. smersh70
          smersh70 18 June 2013 16: 34 New
          0
          Quote: GEOKING95
          South Ossetia Georgian territory!


          Genotsvale-you answer them from the legal side-it was Georgia, along with other republics within the borders of the Union republics, that was accepted into the UN and Russia also voted for it, as the legal successor of the USSR ..... hi
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 18 June 2013 21: 13 New
            0
            The right of nations to self-determination has not been canceled! Accepted at the same borders - so what? the situation has changed. The nation has determined itself. Borders have changed. And after recognition by Russia, they changed FOREVER !!
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 18 June 2013 22: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: retired
              equal to NATIONS FOR SELF-DETERMINATION NOBODY CANCELED! AT


              For your information, the Helsinki Declaration of 75 in the first place is the principle of territorial integrity ...
              Now the Ossetian rim in Russia has decided it seems that now 2 million Russians live in Germany, and if they also want to determine themselves ... the Armenians in Krasnodar ... the Tatars in the Kazan - there will be a big BADAK !!!!!! not serious!!!!!!!!!!!
    2. GP
      GP 18 June 2013 13: 09 New
      +1
      Geokingxnumx
      Mostly for the money. Georgian economy does not shine. Experience is needed for practical application. Where can the experience of the Georgian contingent in Afghanistan be applied. 1500 is a warrior with such experience for what purposes does Georgia need, especially when you consider that its total number of ground troops is 15-18 thousand?
      1. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 13: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: GP
        Mostly for the money. Georgian economy does not shine. Experience is needed for practical application. Where can the experience of the Georgian contingent in Afghanistan be applied. 1500 is a warrior with such experience for what purposes does Georgia need, especially when you consider that its total number of ground troops is 15-18 thousand?

        Of course mostly for the money! looking for a career!
      2. roial
        roial 18 June 2013 22: 25 New
        0
        Who cares where ??? The military MUST have combat experience, for without it it is just a civilian wearing a military uniform. If Georgia has the opportunity to run several battalions in conditions close to military for Uncle Sema’s protection, why not ??
        The loss of 7 soldiers is quite an acceptable loss. In Russia, for the 2012 year of non-combat losses, almost 350 troops were registered.
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 19 June 2013 11: 27 New
          0
          Quote: roial
          The loss of 7 soldiers is quite an acceptable loss. In Russia, for the 2012 year of non-combat losses, almost 350 troops were registered.

          Georgia is not Russia! population of Georgia 5 millions and Russia 142 millions
  17. Stock captain
    Stock captain 18 June 2013 10: 04 New
    +2
    It confirms once again that the pink revolution will never make Georgia from Georgia, but from Amer Georgians. Yes, I feel sorry for the young guys. Srakashvili scored his head with him .. specifically, how many years to believe a cheap clown.
    Saakashvili, to emphasize his determination, even in the absence of a parade to demonstrate the achievements of his brave warriors, went to Afghanistan with his eldest son Edward ...
    Well, the president of America is direct, false to disgust.
  18. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 18 June 2013 10: 12 New
    +7
    That's all scolding Saakashvili, and the truth. There is a reason. But it was he who opened my eyes to the fact that when in the USSR I shook hands with a Georgian as a brother, he shook hands with me as a serf to the invader and at the same time he smiled fakely. Now, thanks to Mishiko, I know the price of Georgian hospitality and hospitality.
    1. experienced
      experienced 18 June 2013 10: 17 New
      +8
      Quote: Yoon Clob
      I shook hands with the Georgian as a brother, he shook my hand in response as a serf to the invader, and at the same time he smiled falsely. Now, thanks to Mishiko, I know the price of Georgian hospitality and hospitality.

      You came across shitty Georgians, I had a friend of Georgians (died), I was always ready to accept, understand and speak together. You can not blame the people !!! We are not Yeltsinists and Gorbachivids either.
      Minus set
      1. smile
        smile 18 June 2013 15: 16 New
        +3
        experienced
        Yun Klob is simply exaggerating, apparently he doesn't like it very much. that at present most Georgians consider us to be an eternal invader. the whole history of spreading the Georgian people. Do you like it? And so, of course, you are right that you can not blame the people.
  19. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 18 June 2013 10: 27 New
    +1
    The Grozins themselves wanted it ..... that in the end they got .....
  20. ed65b
    ed65b 18 June 2013 10: 32 New
    +3
    The author’s words about the disappearance of the fighting spirit of Georgian soldiers did not smile. If the Taliban in battle forced the Georgians to retreat, then the truth. And nothing will save a suicide bomber. he is faceless. How many of them blew up in Russia, but this did not in any way undermine the fighting spirit of our soldiers, but only hardened their hearts. According to GEOKING95, the salary is good there, Georgian guys are going to try their luck for that kind of money. And our contractors in Chechnya also earned money mostly. Of course, they were ideological.
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 10: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: ed65b
      . How many of them blew up in Russia but this in no way undermined the fighting spirit of our soldiers but only hardened their hearts

      maybe because on their land? :)))

      and who said that morale was blown up ??
      1. shamil
        shamil 18 June 2013 11: 21 New
        0
        I answered you above, pay attention!
      2. ed65b
        ed65b 18 June 2013 22: 11 New
        0
        Georg is so written in the article.
    2. volkodav
      volkodav 18 June 2013 11: 08 New
      +4
      But when you go out to the engineer, aren’t you nervous, when on the eve of the same route a mine was blown up? you say in Chechnya the current for the dough went, and how many people are our pi ... r with big and medium stars thrown at the grandmother? everyone knew about it and rode vseravno.
    3. volkodav
      volkodav 18 June 2013 11: 13 New
      +5
      and the rangers of these big ones were rolled out in 2008, and it’s correct that the Yamadayevites grilled about them that they had no darling, although then they fought for their land. to fight with regular units - it’s not for you because of the mountains of the RS and the Kidadts shells, when you know that there will be no counter art hi
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 18 June 2013 19: 00 New
        +1
        + Exactly! I remember this episode !! Darling !!! This is about Georgians. A normal country has a fighting spirit or fighting efficiency!
  21. GP
    GP 18 June 2013 11: 10 New
    +3
    To paraphrase a little: "Yes, there were Georgians at one time, not like the current tribe"

    Heroes of the Soviet Union pilot C. Bendeliani (in Kiev), machine gunner G. Bilanishvili (in Western Ukraine), gunner T. Buachidze (near Kremenchug), sailor A. Gegeshidze (in Odessa), pilot B; Zumbulidze (in the Smolensk region), gunner K. Tkabladze (in Belarus), pilot D. Dzhibladze (in the Baltic states), Lieutenant General V. Dzhanzhgava (in Bessarabia) and others.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 18 June 2013 19: 55 New
      0
      Quote: GP
      pilot D. Dzhibladze

      Yes, only Bahchivanji is worth their entire army! And I bet that in Georgia they don’t know anything about him !!
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 18 June 2013 22: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: retired
        Rich, I bet that in Georgia they don’t know anything about him !!


        read at leisure --- HE GREK .... you have so much free time retired .. laughing
      2. GP
        GP 19 June 2013 00: 36 New
        0
        Quote: retired
        Yes, only Bahchivanji is worth their entire army! And I bet that in Georgia they don’t know anything about him !!


        Grigory Yakovlevich Bahchivandzhi was buried in the Small Source of Yekaterinburg (Sverdlovsk), died while testing the aircraft at near sound speeds in 43 years (800-900 km), he has about a dozen personal combat victories in air battles at the front. In his honor, a street is named in our city.
  22. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 18 June 2013 11: 20 New
    +4
    Quote: seasoned
    Quote: VohaAhov
    Which Georgians are “warriors” became clear in August 2008.

    Put you a minus. If you yourself participated in those events, you would understand your sarcasm. The situation was such that after the intervention of Russia they had nothing to do, the cat cannot fill up the bear, this is an axiom.
    You must be more respectful hi

    Thank you for the minus. I put you a plus. However, they put themselves in this position. Nobody forced them to shoot from the RZSO and the barrel artillery, although hostile, but a city with civilians. And our peacekeepers who died on the demarcation line? Who made them do it? You are right - I was not there. But there were my comrades. There would be an order and I would take part.
  23. sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 18 June 2013 11: 39 New
    0
    Quote: dc120mm
    Yes, but not Georgia, but Misha and his gang. Seichas is no longer providing, on the contrary fights take off as he can.


    No, dear, he does not fight them, he cannot remove them from his neck from the neck of Georgia either. And Mishiko himself put them there. Moreover, he seated them on the neck of Georgia with both hands, and also set up a small bench to make it more convenient.
  24. nagi
    nagi 18 June 2013 11: 44 New
    +2
    Quote: smersh70
    and still Russia did not help restore the territory ... therefore they rushed to the other side ..
    even with the advent of Ivanishvili, the main vector is still directed west

    And what did the West help restore the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia?
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 18 June 2013 13: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: nagi
      And what did the West help restore the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia?



      and that Yugoslavia was on the side of the West or the United States ..... laughing
      1. smile
        smile 18 June 2013 17: 25 New
        0
        smersh70
        And what, Georgia was on the side of Russia? :))) That's why we Georgians did not help. What claims, then? And Serbia was torn apart just when Milosevic surrendered Serbian Krajina, that is, he sided with the West.
  25. pensioner
    pensioner 18 June 2013 12: 06 New
    +3
    And generally speaking. After 080808, I treat Georgia as Germany. I remember about fascism. We no longer live in friendship and harmony. Do not live. Unless, of course, Georgians DO NOT RELAX !. Well.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 18 June 2013 19: 44 New
      0
      Someone minus slapped. Yes, I’m fucking ... but anyway - I would like to look at this man! Well, gulchatay, open your face! weak?
  26. Sochi
    Sochi 18 June 2013 12: 35 New
    +6
    How many centuries have lived with them side by side? but 080808 they jumped out into the street and boasted - now our people hang yours (and this is in Russia) ... after TWO WEEKS they didn’t leave the house, they collapsed in earnest ... Yes, before the war there was a series of explosions in Sochi, we thought bandits, but it turned out the Gryzun intelligence, their resident kept a cafe in Loo ...
  27. VPO
    VPO 18 June 2013 12: 47 New
    0
    Well, what do you want from Georgia? Banana Republic living on a subsidy of a striped friend. Truly hating Abkhazov and Ossetian. Able to only spoil and periodically for themselves. These soldiers are not at all sorry. There is such a profession to protect the homeland, but what they are doing in Afghanistan is not clear. They decided to earn money? Duck is not a walk. Once it was a pleasant people with whom it was comfortable to live side by side. But let's not forget that there has already grown a whole generation of sub-men with the American dream. Therefore, we do not have a hit.
    1. Lexo
      Lexo 18 June 2013 15: 30 New
      0
      ugh you are your mother, you are disgusting with such knowledge about Georgia .. collective farm and only ..
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 18 June 2013 19: 32 New
        -3
        Went .... Where - to prompt? .. I feel - it is not necessary. You just from there ...
  28. barila
    barila 18 June 2013 13: 21 New
    0
    As the Georgians lucked out, for free the coffins snatched from their owners.
  29. shamil
    shamil 18 June 2013 13: 55 New
    0
    And I feel sorry for the poor deceived people of Georgia. And about the new teenage generation, this is true, another generation
    about an American who does not remember fraternal relations
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 13: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: shamil
      And I feel sorry for the poor deceived people of Georgia. And about the new teenage generation, this is true, another generation
      about an American who does not remember fraternal relations

      and is there something American in me? :)



      For some reason I think that Russia won the war 08 08 08) and I think that it lost and Georgia lost) and USA played)))
      1. shamil
        shamil 18 June 2013 14: 44 New
        +2
        What do your and our children know about our countries? your dermocrats would not reach for the Americans
        We would drink your wine with Borjomi and tourists would not go to Turkey
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 18 June 2013 15: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: shamil
          What do your and our children know about our countries?

          not so much) but not as you think
          Quote: shamil
          your dermocrats would not reach for the Americans
          We would drink your wine with Borjomi and tourists would not go to Turkey

          and who forced us to have "American Democrats"?
      2. ed65b
        ed65b 18 June 2013 22: 14 New
        -1
        Golden words, we have driven ourselves into a dead end.
  30. sys-1985
    sys-1985 18 June 2013 14: 34 New
    +3
    Everything is changing. There will be no previous friendship. A friend served in my MS there, told a lot of interesting things ... I feel sorry for them!
  31. Lexo
    Lexo 18 June 2013 15: 34 New
    -1
    friendship on a team is never expensive ... real friendship still needs to be earned gentlemen Russians ..
    1. Black
      Black 18 June 2013 16: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: Lexo
      friendship on a team is never expensive ... real friendship still needs to be earned gentlemen Russians ..

      - eat fat ...
      - I force my wife to cook borsch ...
      - love vodka
      - I looked at Julia from behind, but nothing so, garnish ...

      Deserved it? yes - None?

      Oh how !!!! There it is !!! Is it necessary to earn the Russians ?? !!
      We’ll throw you out of Little Russia, from Crimea ... yes no, you’ll leave yourself, it’s uncomfortable for you there, Ukrainians should live closer to Europe in the Carpathian region, and we’ll deserve it ....
  32. MG42
    MG42 18 June 2013 15: 50 New
    +3
    17.06.2013 13:54
    We expect a higher level integration from the NATO summit, Georgian First Deputy Foreign Minister David Zalkaliani said at a press conference today.

    In this regard, he noted the importance of the upcoming visit of the North Atlantic Council to Georgia.

    “They will have the opportunity on the spot to get acquainted with the ongoing democratic reforms in the country and our contribution to international security. We are waiting for an adequate assessment. It will also discuss the form in which Georgia will join the peacekeeping mission after 2014. So far, the date of the NATO summit has not been announced, but we are waiting for the country's integration at a higher level, ”Zalkaliani said.

    http://www.apsny.ge/2013/pol/1371502465.php

    US Secretary of State John Kerry, in a telephone conversation with Georgian Prime Minister Bidzina Ivanishvili, expressed hope that Georgia would join NATO in the near future.

    Kerry also expressed condolences over the deaths of seven Georgian troops in Afghanistan, the BBC reports.

    Recall that on Thursday, June 6, in Afghanistan, a suicide bomber attacked a Georgian military base. As a result of the attack in the Afghan province of Helmand, seven Georgian soldiers were killed, nine more were injured
  33. Black
    Black 18 June 2013 16: 25 New
    +3
    Quote: MG42
    US Secretary of State John Kerry, in a telephone conversation with Georgian Prime Minister Bidzina Ivanishvili, expressed hope that Georgia would join NATO in the near future.

    That's all. Continuity of power. External insinuations are worthless. Georgia should be treated as a hostile state with everything expiring ...
    1. MG42
      MG42 18 June 2013 16: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: Chen
      Georgia should be treated as a hostile state with everything expiring ...

      In any case, while they are playing a scenario like Ukraine seats on 2 chairs, but Ukraine will not advance to NATO for sure, but Georgia may come much closer .. they are already politics ..
  34. bomg.77
    bomg.77 18 June 2013 18: 01 New
    +2
    Regarding the Georgian people, friend or enemy. After the war in South Ossetia, he resigned as president and was re-elected by the majority. From this I conclude that for the most part Georgians support Saakashvili, and he is an enemy of Russia.
  35. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 18 June 2013 18: 16 New
    0
    Americans, British, Germans, Italians, Spaniards, Poles, French, Georgians, all sorts of Bulgarians and other NATO trash, say thank you to Charlie Wilson.
  36. George
    George 18 June 2013 19: 07 New
    0
    Be objective, reasonable and DO NOT believe the media! like the media in Georgia, as well as the media in Russia, the USA and other countries, everyone is telling their truth. Why is Russian truth the truth? She is the same truth as the truth of the United States. None of the present people have the right to APPROVE anything about the war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX sitting at that time on the couch and listening to the news. You were there? Are you the Ossetian who slept in Tskhinvali that night? Are you the peacemaker who came under fire? Or maybe you are the Georgian who defended Gori? No? Then please do not tell your "truth." Let's be objective. The Russian government knew about this war a long time ago, do not believe it? (Here are the facts, I justify everything ) This war was needed by Russia, it needed Georgia, the United States. WHAT FOR? Then, in order to prevent Georgia from joining NATO, one of the criteria for joining NATO is to be an integral state, not to have territorial disputes. Georgia had to solve this, and Russia should not be allowed to reunite with Georgia + to show its strength so that the Georgians would not do this anymore. In general, it was a war between the United States and Russia, this is not a conspiracy theory, you yourself think. Why does the USA need Georgia? This is a small post-Soviet state with many problems, and even with Russia. The United States needed to solve these problems of Georgia in order to further establish its bases, then air defense, missile defense, maybe rocket mines, who knows what the matter would come to. Bush, along with his novice Saakashvili, as we know, did not succeed. It makes no sense at all to blame the people of Georgia for this war, you ask, why the hell then did Georgia choose this Saakashvili? After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Georgia was in the balance of economic, political, and social collapse. And here Saakashvili is announced, the man who graduated from American political institutions, who promised to revive Georgia, turn it into a significant state. His dreams crashed after an attack on the South. Ossetia, still wondering how can you even be so far-sighted? How can one wait for US support in the war with Russia !? So he ate his ties ... and still drunk with American dollars, he continues to lick Uncle Sam's ass, I don’t know what to say, but it’s pointless and not justified to blame people. In general, believe only your own eyes, not the media, if you were there then you say how the Georgians shot civilians with a smirk ... And let the Georgians say how the Russians destroyed the soldiers in Gori for no reason ...
  37. zbidnev
    zbidnev 18 June 2013 19: 56 New
    +1
    For some reason, again, there is a search for the enemy, Georgians or Ukrainians on the principle of who is not with us is against us. The old communist principle. And type statements like that should be given properly so that they know and remember - we will remember and we will no longer be brothers to you. And without us, as history shows, you will be beaten more than once. The biggest enemies for you are you.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 18 June 2013 20: 05 New
      +1
      come on, come on! Something tells me that you are not very happy with the current news! Read, bite bit. Get to you. Are you up to us? Yes, even no options! Wait. We will be soon.
      1. George
        George 18 June 2013 21: 27 New
        +2
        That is, you think that Russia can stand alone and it does not need friends? Alexander III once said, "Russia has only two allies: its army and navy." But this was possible when we could not be afraid for our lives before the enemy, knowing that we would win ... but now is another era, the era of nuclear and information weapons, weapons that can destroy us, even if we defeat. In this world, allies are needed, even if they are false (like the USA), but they are needed. If the same allies are Ukraine, Latvia, Finland ... Georgia in the end, it will bring great advantages to Russia, an increase in economic potential through mutual trade, technological advancement, success in the military sphere (Bases, Pros, Missile systems, can be placed in these countries, as the United States does). Without allies, it is not possible to increase their influence, no one will be afraid of Russia, and the United States will constantly mock it until someone else stands next to Russia. And it should not be China or the USA, then Russia will turn into their colony, it should be neighboring countries, former brothers, who in Russia were christened as traitors. I can’t understand why you believe the media? Once again I repeat the MEDIA The most ingenious weapon that makes people think whatever the government of a particular country thinks, Georgians do not consider Russian occupiers, just like Poles, Finns, Estonians, you believe that the Government says that we are there hate it is not! If you do not believe, go to these countries and see for yourself! The government forms the image of the enemy from the west, and the United States does the same, but not the neighbors of the Russian Federation. Do not believe in this nonsense on TV, this brainwashing, or do you want us to turn into brainless Americans who are firmly convinced that anarchy reigns everywhere in Russia and the government constantly suppresses society, is that true? But the Americans consider this to be true, think about it, want to know the truth, be objective, read not only the Russian press, but also the Western (at least translations), then compare the facts of what is converging and what is not, and now, the picture more or less develops. It’s like in history, in history one source is not taken, but several are taken, and only so does at least relative truth.
  38. pensioner
    pensioner 18 June 2013 20: 01 New
    0
    Quote: GEOKING95
    Well, the title is different pay, about 2000 $

    Yes-ah-ah ... it’s easy to buy Georgians ... As I understand it, EVERYTHING can be had for 3000 Baku from Georgians !.
    1. George
      George 18 June 2013 21: 42 New
      +3
      You can buy everything. And the Russians in the swamp and the Russians in the war, I do not defend the Georgians. I just say that everyone is to blame! There are no good and bad in war! Man, man everywhere, it does not depend on nationality, there are brave Americans, there are brave Russians, Germans, Chinese, there are cowards, there are traitors! Vlasovites for example. Georgia is hundreds of times smaller than Russia, there is nothing to be proud of, and those who say: “Damned, they killed ours!”, And the Russians did not kill Georgians? This is war! There is no war without death! Be objective! Yes, Georgia itself ran into, but this is not a reason to humiliate the soldiers, I’ll tell you something, those who say that hundreds attacked Russians attacked, but it happened, and when did the Georgian detachment hold back the Russian battalion? Have you heard about this? No? And I do! At the same time I heard from Russian soldiers, defeated the enemy, respect at least for the fact that he resisted you, and did not give up in the very first days. And do not be indignant, think about my words, the enemies are also people.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 18 June 2013 21: 53 New
        +1
        Enemies are humans? there are no bazaars. We’re not fighting giraffes. When from heavy weapons. at night. by civilian. on the sly ... Yes, you have received little in return. needed more. my hedgehogs were there. They say that when they were slowed down, many had the thought - “UNDERSTAND ORDER AND GO ON” !! Barely stopped. Like this! The bitterness was creepy !! But to bring a Russian person to such an extent - one must be able to!
      2. Rattenfanger
        Rattenfanger 18 June 2013 22: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: george
        But when did the Georgian detachment hold back the Russian battalion? Have you heard about this? No? And I do!

        For more details, please. What kind of "heroes in tiger skins" were there? Where and when?
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 18 June 2013 22: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Rattenfanger
          What kind of "heroes in tiger skins" were there? Where and when?

          Long time ago and untruth ...
      3. pensioner
        pensioner 18 June 2013 22: 18 New
        0
        Quote: george
        When did a detachment of Georgians hold back the Russian battalion?

        something from this word "detachment" blows with something not military. Platoon I know. Rota - I know. battalion, regiment, division - I know. Detachment - no, I don’t know. So, tell your tales to the "squad" commander. And the fact that your "detachment" and our battalion did not sweep to shreds, so most likely a stop order has already been issued. the case is described when the PLANT of your eagles paratroopers in the amount of about 200 people disarmed, selected vehicles and sent them home! to find?
      4. ed65b
        ed65b 18 June 2013 22: 26 New
        +1
        Actually, it is not in the Russian military tradition that the mockery and humiliation of a captive soldier of an opposing army. It is rather steppe-eastern. Just mixed in a bunch. here people are trying to figure it out. Only one thing is bad, nobody wants to listen to each other. All one about one.
  39. zbidnev
    zbidnev 18 June 2013 20: 22 New
    -1
    Remember Chechnya for how many Baku sold their own. Those who blew up houses with children and the elderly are clearly not Chechen footprints. And do you teach us patriotism?
  40. crush
    crush 18 June 2013 20: 29 New
    -3
    nothing, the Georgians give birth
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 18 June 2013 22: 26 New
      -1
      can not be so.
  41. Commissar of the NKVD
    Commissar of the NKVD 18 June 2013 21: 04 New
    +1
    Quote: cartridge
    but I don’t feel sorry for the Georgian dead.

    If they went to the service voluntarily, then they, too, knew what they were going to. And if the call? Our boys in Afghanistan were also not of their own free will ...
    In general, the article is nothing new for me. Somewhere I read that the Georgian army is not even suitable for the defense of their country. Where can she fight somewhere not even for her own interests!
    There is nothing to expect from the Georgian warriors.

    The Duke of Wellington in 1854, after a combined arms review of the English armed forces, said:
    “I don’t know what the enemy will feel at their sight, but I feel horror!”

    The same can be said about the army of a tie-eater.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 18 June 2013 21: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Commissioner of the NKVD
      Somewhere I read that the Georgian army is not even suitable for the defense of their country.

      The article is called "Disposable Army."
  42. Commissar of the NKVD
    Commissar of the NKVD 18 June 2013 22: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
    Russians saved them from the Turks

    Not from the Turks, but from the subjects of the Persian Shah Agla Shah (from the common Persian Shah - eunuch shah). This happened in 1801. Then the whole Georgian kingdom was occupied by Persia. The Persian military SUCH a mess there ... you read and goose bumps ... SS Sonderkommandy would probably die of envy. But when the troops of Emperor Paul came under the command of the famous Ermolov to the Georgian border, the Persians fled in panic, not even trying to accept the battle. In this campaign, the Russians did not have ANY irrevocable loss!
    Apparently, the Georgians have amnesia.
  43. ed65b
    ed65b 18 June 2013 22: 16 New
    +1
    Actually, the article is not about 080808. stop ulcerating. One Georgian on the site and then pecked, be able to argue without going personal. Zadolbalo.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 18 June 2013 22: 30 New
      +1
      Edward! When war 08 occurred, I was on Lake Teletsky and didn’t know anything !! We arrived in Barnaul - I heard about forcing Georgia to peace. Then they told how they shot our children, peacekeepers. I had the feeling that I was humiliated. I did not even immediately understand that we won. Let's call your hedgehogs. I was a little enlightened, relieved. Then they told me in more detail, even relieved. But! The feeling that they tried to humiliate Russia remains !! And I can not do anything about it. DO NOT LIVE US MORE IN FRIENDSHIP AND AGREEMENT !! If you do not repent !!! And I will ulce on theirs !!! And it works out pretty well for me ... The scoffed enemy is a defeated enemy!
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 18 June 2013 22: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: ed65b
      One Georgian on the site and then pecked, be able to argue without going personal. Zadolbalo.


      Recently, I like you .. and I put you only the pros hi
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 18 June 2013 22: 47 New
        +1
        Good night dear SMERSH. I have known about the Greek for a long time. But! In all Soviet encyclopedias - he is Georgian !! and do nothing with it !! I'm not retired yet! getting ready. if I live.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 18 June 2013 22: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: retired
          I will take it. if I live.



          so change the NICK))) ahead of time you want to get older))))) it is better to feel young hi
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 18 June 2013 23: 11 New
            +3
            And I’m very young at heart! and I’ll give odds to young people at work!
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 18 June 2013 22: 54 New
        +1
        About self-determination - that's right. But! there is a precedent - Kosovo! right now all the lawyers in the world of Bosko broke: how to shove it into the framework of international law? Fables about the exclusivity of this case - for housewives. The right to self-determination of compactly residing national minorities will soon be formalized into certain binding formulas. otherwise - as you rightly said - BAD !! make ends meet ...
  44. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 18 June 2013 22: 44 New
    +2
    Quote: ed65b
    Actually, the article is not about 080808. stop ulcerating. One Georgian on the site and then pecked, be able to argue without going personal. Zadolbalo.

    I agree! And so they lose friends .. The Georgian people together with Russia have been and will be .. And the foam of politics will settle soon .. I hope ..
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 18 June 2013 23: 07 New
      +1
      Dear Vitaliy! Can you imagine WHAT over 20 years ago Russophobia has grown there? And I can imagine ... And the "Georgian people" is already such an abstraction that it makes no sense to appeal to it. A generation 50-70 years old will soon leave the stage. only americanoids will remain. And the Georgian megalomania only aggravates the situation. Everything is bad. Although it is a pity, we have lost Georgia. I do not believe in the universal instant insight of the nation. And you? I'm sorry for YOU. So it's easier all the same. But I can do it for YOU ...
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 19 June 2013 00: 06 New
        +1
        History has the ability to move in a circle! Turks are operating there (in Georgia). Adjara is being bought by the Turkish side (although everything looks quite outwardly). A bunch of hotels and hotels (really a lot) belong to the Turks, the land is fenced off (private Turkish property) ) -What is their free economic zone? About half of the population profess Islam (this is a fact). Did the Orthodox move to Tiflis. Can Saaka not see what is happening in Adzharia? Or can he do nothing with a stronger opponent? Well, what -the same when their Turks forcibly begin to convert to their faith, they will remember Russia! 100% -time!
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 19 June 2013 02: 19 New
          0
          Remix, of course, but not bad either
  45. zbidnev
    zbidnev 19 June 2013 09: 07 New
    0
    I would like to argue with amateurs to put the stigma on entire nations. We are Russians or Ukrainians, Belarusians or Georgians - we do not decide anything, the only thing that we can do is bicker on forums, websites, etc. Therefore, statements like Georgians are enemies, they themselves will crawl to us, etc. just funny to read. We must push our foreheads together - they are organizing and are already organizing these events, 2008 is a vivid confirmation of this. It is necessary to quarrel Ukraine and Russia is not a question, we steal gas, even imagined himself with a cylinder running away from the pipe. What can I say, our education is very low, although many have higher education if we buy such a breeder.
  46. Commissar of the NKVD
    Commissar of the NKVD 19 June 2013 12: 07 New
    -1
    Quote: zbidnev
    It is necessary to quarrel Ukraine and Russia is not a question, we steal gas

    Well, steal as much as you like! Anyway, it’s not ours, it has long belonged to a handful of those who are no longer or almost not citizens of Russia
  47. Commissar of the NKVD
    Commissar of the NKVD 19 June 2013 12: 10 New
    0
    Quote: zbidnev
    the only thing we can do is bite on forums, sites, etc.

    And in your opinion, it would be better if instead of biting on the sites we would have engaged in biting on machines?
    1. George
      George 19 June 2013 15: 04 New
      +1
      It would be better if they didn’t bite at all ... But it’s not for us to decide on the machines, if the government wants to and on the machines, we don’t understand why we are killing each other. Of course, I do not say that we must rebel and disobey the order, feel sorry for the enemy, then you will never see victory, but you can at least respect the enemy, and not laugh at how they died in Afghanistan, and say things like:
      Quote: crush
      nothing, the Georgians give birth
      They say good things about the dead, or say nothing at all.