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"This is not a plane, it's just a UFO": the Russian Su-35 fighter shocked Le Bourget

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The 50th anniversary international aerospace show opens at Le Bourget. The exhibition will run all week. More than 1,500 companies will present their latest developments, including 46 Russian. The loudest domestic premieres are the Su-35-C fighter, the Yak-130 aircraft and the Ka-52 combat helicopter.


At the largest anniversary international air show in Le Bourget, more than two thousand companies are represented. 44 countries show samples of civil and military equipment. But the attention of all is riveted to the latest Russian fighter Su-35. His French put in the center of the main avenue.

30-mm gun, 12 suspension points for rockets and bombs, target detection range exceeds 400 kilometers, and the on-board radar allows you to track an object at a distance over 80 thousands of meters. Su-35 without refueling flies more than three and a half thousand kilometers. This is the fourth-generation fighter in the world.

Before the training flight the car is examined by the technicians The design withstands overloads of up to 14,5 units, despite the fact that for a person the limit is ten. The cockpit protects the pilot.

Honored Test Pilot Hero of Russia Sergei Bogdan tested more than fifty military aircraft. He says that the Su-35 engine is special. One kilogram of weight accounts for one kilogram of weight, which makes it possible to perform the most complicated aerobatic maneuvers - “spatial barrels”, somersaults, “flat spin”, “Pugachev's cobra”.

At Su-35 for the first time tested vector thrust. This is the only machine in the world that can make a “pancake” - a turn on 360 degrees in the horizontal plane without loss of speed.

Mikhail Pogosyan, director of the United Aircraft Corporation, was in the past an engineer and chief designer of the Sukhoi Design Bureau, watching the fighter’s flight, clearly worried. Su-35 abroad is presented for the first time.

Foreign experts are showing increased interest in the fighter and recognize Russia's leadership in this industry. “I’ve seen 22 of the year in this industry, but this flight is something incredible!” Said engineer Christian Kunovski. “This is not a fighter, this is just a UFO! Frankly, I cried for the first time in my life with delight!”

Until the end of 2015, the 48 of such aircraft will appear in service with the Russian army. Ten - already in the ranks. Rosoboronexport expects to begin deliveries abroad. At Le Bourget, they plan to sign contracts for the sale of three cars at once: Su-35, Yak-130 and Ka-52 helicopter. In addition, the transfer of the first Russian passenger aircraft Superjet-100 Mexican company InterJet.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 17 June 2013 10: 35
    70
    Yesterday in the news on ORT showed a flight .... FANTASY !!!!!!!!!
    Thanks to the creators of the car and the pilot, this is a song !!! Some emotions, let techies talk about TTX
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 17 June 2013 10: 50
      89

      2: 25 is fantastic !!!
      1. Denis
        Denis 17 June 2013 11: 11
        24
        Quote: klimpopov
        2: 25 is fantastic !!!

        Seeing all this live, anyone will cry, thanks.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 17 June 2013 15: 27
          -3
          Quote: Denis
          Seeing all this live, anyone will cry, thanks.

          What other "FIGURE" should be "pushed" so that the USA and others, tails between their legs, whine?
          1. fisherman
            fisherman 17 June 2013 15: 31
            +5
            only a gun to the temple :)
          2. Nick
            Nick 17 June 2013 17: 58
            20
            Quote: Corsair
            What other "FIGURE" should be "pushed" so that the USA and others, tails between their legs, whine?

            Quantity and quality go hand in hand. If a dozen and a half Yusov F-35s attack one of our super Su-15s, it will be difficult for him. This is me to the fact that we must really saturate our Air Force with these machines, and not just demonstrate their capabilities at air shows ...
            1. Genady1976
              Genady1976 17 June 2013 18: 14
              +6
              Correctly said to the very point good
              otherwise the Chinese will not buy enough for ours
              1. edge
                edge 23 June 2013 08: 44
                0
                Quote: Genady1976
                and then the Chinese will buy everything our not enough

                they can’t copy the engines, they deliver ours to them: if they happen, their aviation stake will be no repair components ...... and it pleases.
                1. Beck
                  Beck 23 June 2013 20: 59
                  0
                  Quote: hert
                  and then the Chinese will buy everything ours is not enough ...

                  they can’t copy the engines, they deliver ours to them: if they happen, their aviation stake will be no repair components ...... and it pleases.


                  It seems to me that Gurt has been arguing too long. In any air regiment, any army, there is always some reserve and untouchable reserve of everything. And modern conflicts, more or less modern armies, do not last for four years.

                  That is, if four years, then of course the question arises of the repair kit. If a month, then what kind of repair. The plane either completed its task or was shot down. How many spare parts were needed for the fighters of the Israeli army in the six-day war. Spare parts are needed precisely during prolonged use in peacetime.
            2. gauche
              gauche 18 June 2013 02: 54
              +1
              It's like that. This should be a weapon to protect the country. While more goods for sale.
          3. Scoun
            Scoun 17 June 2013 19: 03
            +5
            Quote: Corsair
            whisked their tails together?

            Yes, they whine .... Geyropeytsy sucks .. went dirty tricks ...
            LE BOURGE (France), June 17 - RIA Novosti. Ban on take-off of the Ka-52 helicopter at the exhibition in Le Bourget was dictated by fear of competition, RIA Novosti reported on Monday at a show in Le Bourget that a source in the Russian delegation.


            RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20130617/943915654.html#ixzz2WUCFMKAY
          4. Linkor200
            Linkor200 19 June 2013 01: 10
            -5
            The Corsair - Dear "Corsair". I understand that hot pirate blood is wandering in you. But, nevertheless, I cannot understand why you want "the USA and others ... to whine plaintively." What did they / the States / do wrong to you personally? Well, let's suppose that there was something bad between you and the States that you, personally, can oppose in opposition to 10 / ten / nuclear aircraft carrier groups, as well as numerous base aviation, numbering thousands, mind you, operational combat aircraft. Perhaps the aerodynamics and energy capabilities of the F-14, F-18, F-16 and F-15 will be slightly lower than those of the last "Sushka", but after all, the 21st century is in the courtyard, and it is now in a struggle / or in a kind of competition / they take not only by the throat - then by the power of the engine, but also by the intellect - by avionics, electronics, rational control of weapons. And here, I'm afraid, a really decent and cool plane - the 35th "Drying", will yield to the competitors I have listed. After all, it's not a secret for anyone that Soviet / Russian / avionics electronics have always been of lower quality than Western ones. And therefore I am afraid that no "Pugachev's cobra" will save the plane from the stinging swarm of missiles with impressive intelligence. Look, Corsair. There is absolutely no malice or scoffing in me. And I like the "Sukhoi - 35" - a really beautiful and decent car. I just tried, as best I could, to objectively assess the situation. And the last thing. Would the famous Pokryshkin, who fought almost the entire war in the Aircobra, would have agreed with your statements. I think he respected allies in the common fight against a REALLY dangerous and cruel enemy. And the plane did not disappoint him. And you ?
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 19 June 2013 10: 18
              12
              Quote: Linkor200
              But, nevertheless, I cannot understand why you want "the USA and others ... to whine plaintively." What did they / the States / do wrong to you personally?

              - Battleship, leave, or do you seriously intend to be a lawyer for amers? We have unpaid bills to amers, and according to your Zionist principle, we will present them with interest. The counter is ticking. They destroyed the USSR, they arranged a "sweet" life for us on the verge of starvation in the 90s, simultaneously plundering the country, they wrought lawlessness in third countries, eliminating the remnants of Soviet influence there. Why do you only insist on "personally"? An interesting question ... Ok, if some bad Arab arranges a terrorist act in Israel, and it will not "personally" affect you - none of your relatives, etc. will not die, we are waiting for your dances on our website. Or will you insist here that a Jew has the right to express patriotism in relation to his homeland and its interests, and the Russian "Corsair" does not have this right in relation to Russia? Is it too much, Messrs. Jews, are you taking upon yourself here? Obliquely, in the interlinear, you inspire and inspire everything: "you Russians have no right to patriotism and if the amers did not PERSONAL Bo-Bo to you, then do not dare to dislike them! And, we, the Jews, have the right to this!" No, good sir, you will insist on such double standards, and we will prepare an account for you, it will not seem a little am Good advice - we will deal with amers ourselves, do not meddle.
              Quote: Linkor200
              After all, it's not a secret for anyone that Soviet / Russian / avionics electronics have always been of lower quality than Western ones. And therefore I am afraid that no "Pugachev's cobra" will save the plane from the stinging swarm of missiles with impressive intelligence. Look, Corsair. There is absolutely no malice or scoffing in me. And I like "Sukhoi - 35" - a really beautiful and decent car

              - this is your stereotype of an amateur, with the advent of the SU-35 a thing of the past. Russia already On the T-50 in general, the plane can go back without a pilot - which of your "vaunted" has such an intelligence? It's not about UAVs. Yes, amers have mastered 20 nm, and Russia has only mastered technologies at 90 nm, BUT for the military industry this is enough at this stage to do "Soviet / Russian / avionics-electronics" fit on board and no worse than amerskih. Russian missiles (from the Tactical Missile Armaments company) are not worse than your AIM and others.
              1. shasherin_pavel
                shasherin_pavel 22 June 2013 08: 49
                +4
                I would like to add that the tube equipment on the MiG - 25 amazed the Japanese and "amers" when it surpassed their electronic equipment in some respects, including reliability.
            2. shasherin_pavel
              shasherin_pavel 22 June 2013 08: 41
              +1
              "Aircobra" so it would be more correct was not adopted by the allied armies and did not fight on the Western Front ... Too many flaws were found during the tests, and the most important, a flat spin, into which it entered as soon as the ammunition was spent, and it was only good at altitudes above 4 meters, and below it was likened to the "MiG" on which Pokryshkin began to fight, and if you carefully read his memoirs, you will see that "I-000s" were massively used in "close" battles, and the "MiG" -and were used as scouts, who were supposed to fly above 16. Pokryshkin was lucky that by the time of the adoption of the Aircobr, our command had already learned not to use Azrobras at low altitudes, like the MiGs, which were withdrawn from the front-line aviation in Air defense of Moscow. This can be confirmed by the memoirs of our pilots that the pilots of the Moscow air defense in 4 could even choose which named aircraft to fly today: "I will not fly" For Stalin "his chassis is junk, I will fly" For VKPb ", but for the second departure "For Moscow" will be prepared, its engine is economical, the range is greater. " Quote from the book. But it must be said in favor of foreign aircraft that representatives of the factories often visited our squadrons flying on "Aircobras", and everything that the pilots complained about was quickly corrected and the next batches of aircraft came taking into account these complaints and constructively new ones. But the very lack of "altitude" of the "Aircobr" remained until the end of the war, only on the "Supercobras" the fuselage was lengthened, changing the centering and moving the "focal point" back, but at the same time the aircraft became more inertial and, albeit slightly, but less maneuverable. Pokryshkin himself refused to board the Yak-000 at the request of Yakovlev, appreciating well the maneuverability of the aircraft, but criticized the armament: "With this kind of armament, I need to enter the Junkers two or three times, and I use the Ercobra in one run. collapse "and chose" La-42 ", and then" La-3 "with three 5-mm cannons. And one cannon on the La-7 was equal in mass of shells per minute to the second on the Focke-Wulf-20. In order for the Aircobra to be equal to the Messerschmitt-5 in battle, its engines were burned in 2-190 battles on afterburner. But it was foreign aircraft that taught our pilots the cleanliness of aircraft operation, when laboratories appeared at the airfields for the purification of oils and gasoline after "Soviet transportation" from bases to airfields. Perhaps it is necessary to add from modern history: our Mi-109s are officially recognized by UN helicopters, it may be less comfortable than foreigners, but unlike foreign ones, who after a day of flights for two days on preventive maintenance, ours can fly for weeks in Asian countries the mechanics of the Mi-2 know only the necks of the fuel tanks and the filter hatches. When foreign aircraft entered the countries of the former Warsaw Pact, BAO was amazed at how much "tenderness" should be shown to this technique, in contrast to the Soviet MiGs, which were stored on the street under a tarpaulin.
          5. Linkor200
            Linkor200 19 June 2013 01: 11
            10 th
            The Corsair - Dear "Corsair". I understand that hot pirate blood is wandering in you. But, nevertheless, I cannot understand why you want "the USA and others ... to whine plaintively." What did they / the States / do wrong to you personally? Well, let's suppose that there was something bad between you and the States that you, personally, can oppose in opposition to 10 / ten / nuclear aircraft carrier groups, as well as numerous base aviation, numbering thousands, mind you, operational combat aircraft. Perhaps the aerodynamics and energy capabilities of the F-14, F-18, F-16 and F-15 will be slightly lower than those of the last "Sushka", but after all, the 21st century is in the courtyard, and it is now in a struggle / or in a kind of competition / they take not only by the throat - then by the power of the engine, but also by the intellect - by avionics, electronics, rational control of weapons. And here, I'm afraid, a really decent and cool plane - the 35th "Drying", will yield to the competitors I have listed. After all, it's not a secret for anyone that Soviet / Russian / avionics electronics have always been of lower quality than Western ones. And therefore I am afraid that no "Pugachev's cobra" will save the plane from the stinging swarm of missiles with impressive intelligence. Look, Corsair. There is absolutely no malice or scoffing in me. And I like the "Sukhoi - 35" - a really beautiful and decent car. I just tried, as best I could, to objectively assess the situation. And the last thing. Would the famous Pokryshkin, who fought almost the entire war in the Aircobra, would have agreed with your statements. I think he respected allies in the common fight against a REALLY dangerous and cruel enemy. And the plane did not disappoint him. And you ?
            1. pavelk
              pavelk 19 June 2013 18: 38
              +4
              Repeat yourself. Senility?

              Your reasoning is nothing more than a theory. The fact that the aircraft will produce and buy.
              The latest updates to the F-14, F-18, F-16 and F-15 are made by anyone from Africa for parts from the parts of Ishail. Of course I understand your painful reaction to such news. Capitalism, you know.
        2. Genady1976
          Genady1976 17 June 2013 18: 41
          +2
          lucky same comrades again all + snapped up recourse
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 17 June 2013 18: 44
            +5
            Well, that’s not the point. Well, believe me not for the sake of +. He shared with the people! drinks
          2. experienced
            experienced 17 June 2013 18: 45
            +6
            Quote: Genady1976
            lucky same comrades again all + snapped up

            Behind this in an arithmetic school wassat
            Klim these + to a damn until the rank of Generalissimo did not enter, but to me ... Honestly do not care ... hi
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 17 June 2013 18: 56
              +5
              Or the director of the universe suits me better))) laughing
              1. experienced
                experienced 17 June 2013 19: 00
                +2
                Quote: klimpopov
                Or the director of the universe suits me better))

                Laughing Universe and no less laughing
                1. Genady1976
                  Genady1976 17 June 2013 19: 07
                  +3
                  yes it's me joking
                2. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 17 June 2013 19: 08
                  +2
                  Well, finally, they decided to flood laughing
                  Okay - I went home. See you tomorrow! drinks
      2. Ustian
        Ustian 17 June 2013 12: 05
        +8
        Quote: klimpopov
        2: 25 is fantastic !!!

        Beautiful Predator !!!
      3. sergmoryak
        sergmoryak 17 June 2013 13: 02
        +6
        SUPER!!!!!!!!
      4. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan 17 June 2013 14: 19
        +2
        2: 25 is fantastic !!!

        1: 16 doesn't look bad either.
      5. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 17 June 2013 15: 11
        0
        klimpopov SU Today, 10:50 AM

        And at 2:05 some interesting corkscrew ???
      6. Scoun
        Scoun 17 June 2013 15: 38
        19
        here is this video from the discovery
        Discovery admitted that ours is better than a raptor for a long time already surprisingly and even they said that the plane violates all laws of gravity)) drinks

        from the 4th minute song !!!!
      7. DmitryK
        DmitryK 17 June 2013 15: 48
        +7
        here the pilot is certainly fantastic
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 19 June 2013 14: 35
          +3
          Quote: Scoun
          here is this video from the discovery
          Discovery admitted that ours is better than a raptor for a long time already surprisingly and even they said that the plane violates all laws of gravity)) drinks

          from the 4th minute song !!!!


          The main thing! - The Su-37 pilot invited foreign colleagues to conduct a training aerial battle. WISHING NOT FOUND! That says it all.
      8. TekhnarMAF
        TekhnarMAF 17 June 2013 16: 00
        +6
        Thanks Klim for the video! And indeed- FANTASY!
        I envy the "flyers" with white envy - this is the flight of ikar! Like a fish in water! good
      9. sashka
        sashka 17 June 2013 18: 47
        16
        Yeah. Kills a tear at a time. Americans are doing what they can in the air, but what we want ..
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 17 June 2013 20: 14
          +3
          Quote: Sasha
          Americans are doing what they can in the air, but what we want ..

          Unfortunately, Americans are not going to fight in close combat
          1. alexng
            alexng 18 June 2013 08: 37
            +5
            Quote: Pilat2009

            Unfortunately, Americans are not going to fight in close combat


            Well, that's their problem. They were not going to fight in close combat even in Vietnam. Does everyone know the result? They won't get away from close combat. It was beautiful on paper, but they forgot about the ravines. Moreover, they just cannot take into account the fact that Russians in extreme and difficult situations can find solutions that others would never think of. And in connection with the modern development of electronic warfare, close combat is not avoided. "Libya" for them will never be.
          2. shasherin_pavel
            shasherin_pavel 22 June 2013 09: 02
            +1
            As soon as he sees the MiG in the tail he will immediately say: "Tuki-tuki, I'm in the house! Don't shoot at me!" In Vietnam, both sides relied on missiles, but then both there and there they put cannons on the fighters. Or do "amers" no longer put guns on planes, or do they have guns firing at 20 km? But the fact that our aircraft can use information from one ground or air locator and hit up to 20 targets. Just think, the American computer shows the radar radiation from the front, and the missiles get in the tail, and the missile goes according to the radar data, which irradiates from the front and therefore is invisible to the "amer" even during the attack.
      10. raliv
        raliv 17 June 2013 19: 15
        +6
        Beauties. This is the most real WOW !!!!!
      11. dmit-xnumx
        dmit-xnumx 17 June 2013 20: 22
        +3
        Thank you - Delight !! ("There is still gunpowder in the flasks"!)
      12. timurpl
        timurpl 17 June 2013 22: 36
        +2
        ... revised 10 times (2.25) ... "LORD OF THE SKY" - you can't say better!
        -A couple of years ago, by chance I was in Germany on a "flygtak" - this is such an airshow with model aircraft ... So I saw with my own eyes that among several dozen aircraft models in terms of flight characteristics there were no equal to our "Yak" am ... What they did, beyond words!
        - The forgotten feeling of pride for the Motherland since the time of the Union was bursting with my chest. I screamed and cried at the same time ... We have been missing this feeling for the last 20 years!
        - I really, really want this "BEAUTY" to be far from "The Last Swallow" ...
      13. Flanker66
        Flanker66 28 June 2013 14: 05
        0
        I have no words! Something unimaginable !!!
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 17 June 2013 10: 58
      25
      Quote: seasoned
      Yesterday in the news on ORT showed a flight .... FANTASY !!!!!!!!!

      And therefore it needs to be sold for a hillock? The plane is good! It would be classified, but they should arm the Air Force units, but as always, we’ll arm the others first, and we will fly to the Su-24!
      1. experienced
        experienced 17 June 2013 11: 02
        36
        Quote: nycsson
        And therefore it needs to be sold for a hillock? The plane is good!

        They are stating the market, I think that they are purposefully promoting it, it is mainly exported for export. We are waiting for ourselves PAK FA. IMHO hi
        Quote: nycsson
        It would be classified, but they should arm the Air Force units, but as always, we’ll arm the others first, and we will fly in the Su-24!

        PAK FA is a secret and it pleases. The rest will see hi Although I am aggressively against the supply of SU-35 to China
        1. vostok1982
          vostok1982 17 June 2013 11: 27
          +3
          And why? A Chinese engine like this will not be mastered for another 20-30 years, and they already have a glider.
        2. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 17 June 2013 13: 07
          15
          It’s Stalin’s dropping everything into the HOUSE, dragging it to his MOTHERLAND! And at THESE, where is the house? The Jewish Zionists have a house in Israel, Sasch, the British, and the minions? Where they will run when OURS come to power, then we'll see!
          1. shasherin_pavel
            shasherin_pavel 22 June 2013 09: 35
            0
            Sasha: I'm sorry, but you don't know the story well. I-16, I-15, T-26, BT-5, were delivered to China, Spain, Mongolia and single copies, for familiarization, to different countries. But we also bought engines, which then fought on the Yaks, Lavochkins, IL-4. Only Am-34 and others is our invention, and some know-how of Am-34 switched to foreign engines from Mikulin.
        3. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 17 June 2013 15: 09
          +3
          experienced RU Today, 11:02 ↑
          Quote: nycsson
          And therefore it needs to be sold for a hillock? The plane is good!

          They are stating the market, I think that they are purposefully promoting it, it is mainly exported for export. We are waiting for ourselves PAK FA. IMHO hi

          Well, yes, of course. Now the T-50 will fill up right now, so there will not be enough space for the Su-35))) Until we wait for the T-50, the 35th would be useful.
          1. poquello
            poquello 17 June 2013 20: 17
            +3
            "Well, yes, of course. Now the T-50 will be overwhelmed, so there won't be enough space for the Su-35))) Until we wait for the T-50, the 35th would come in handy."

            Didn’t you read it or doesn’t it happen much?

            "By the end of 2015, the Russian army will have 48 such aircraft. Ten are already in service."
          2. Flanker66
            Flanker66 28 June 2013 16: 58
            0
            Like 96 SU-35 until the 20th year they contracted.
        4. nycsson
          nycsson 17 June 2013 16: 07
          0
          Quote: seasoned
          They are stating the market, I think that they are purposefully promoting it, it is mainly exported for export. We are waiting for ourselves PAK FA. IMHO

          Let them beat the Su-27 market ....... The thing is that we have Sukhoi on its own, and statehood itself .......
          Quote: seasoned
          PAK FA is a secret and it pleases.

          But haven't India been leaked to him? Or am I confusing something ?!
          Quote: seasoned
          Although I am aggressively against the supply of SU-35 to China

          I am categorically against such a policy. Need to sell obsolete weapons and military equipment.
          1. Constantine
            Constantine 17 June 2013 16: 32
            +5
            Let them beat the Su-27 market ....... The thing is that we have Sukhoi on its own, and statehood itself .......


            To pillar the market, you need a competitive product that, in the case of aviation, will not lose its relevance for at least 10-15 years. Competitors also do not stand still, and the Su-35 is a deep modernization of the Su-27, and the export, in turn, is not quite the same in terms of configuration that is delivered to our Air Force. I agree with experienced by all 100%. The army should be armed ahead of the curve, with the most advanced models, and not overtake the rest by purchasing equipment at a level lower than we can afford. If you are developing a T-50, which is superior to the Su-35, then the emphasis should be placed on it, as the peak model of equipment of this class.

            But haven't India been leaked to him? Or am I confusing something ?!

            What do you think is a drain? India collaborated with the Russian Federation in this project, which it continues to do, but if it does, this does not mean that India is admitted to all production technologies. For the most part, for India this is an opportunity to gain some experience + get a top fighter in service at a time when all the other powers that this kind of aircraft buy will graze on more backward, technologically advanced models, such as a generation 4 and its derivatives, not 5.

            I am categorically against such a policy. Need to sell obsolete weapons and military equipment.

            The Chinese are not full downs. Copying is put on stream, which is visible without the naked eye. Somewhere they even said that they, hypothetically, can reproduce gliders from photographs. Visually, they will copy the plane. Another thing in the filling. With her, yes, only under a license and not the most top-end. Although, again, they try to reproduce the engines for Sushki, they still cannot reproduce them, and therefore they want to buy them from us. So with the supply of some nodes, it is not a fact that they will be able to copy them while the technology is still at its peak, and has not already entered a new phase.
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 18 June 2013 03: 41
              0
              Quote: Constantine
              Somewhere they even said that they, hypothetically, can reproduce gliders from photographs. Visually, they will copy the plane. Another thing in the filling.

              The contours will copy. But the main thing is power elements and materials. Without them, it will turn out like that phone of Hottabych - pure gold, but it does not perform functions. And this is just a glider, not to mention the stuffing. But if, as another article says, they are going to be sold to the Chinese, then yes, they will completely rip off and say that they themselves designed, they say, the laws of physics are the same for everyone. And what a shame, put on the stream soon. While in Komsomolsk collect 48 pieces, the Chinese rivet a hundred or two.
              When Huawei tore off the Cisco router, I don’t remember which model, they only pinned their emblem, and everything else, including bugs in the software, was torn one by one.
            2. shasherin_pavel
              shasherin_pavel 22 June 2013 09: 50
              0
              You can remove the dimensions from the engine or parts from it, but ... After the collapse of the design bureau for the "Buran" project and the death of technologists and designers, the technological processes of "Buran" are forever lost for us - a quote from the film about "Buran". We cannot restore the technology of the metal that was used to build the Kommuna ship for lifting sunken submarines in 1908. The entire filling of the ship has changed more than once, and the hull is not worn out and no one can figure out this secret - the technology is lost. The Nazis, having received the RS-82 in 41, could not recreate the powder bombs for the rocket engine, and their missiles were worse than ours in range. Knowing this, Stalin sold the RS-82 and the technology for their production to the Allies, but they could not create something like the RS-132, or the RS-300. Although their collection of 8cm missiles was more diverse, especially in aviation.
          2. rainufa
            rainufa 17 June 2013 18: 04
            0
            Enterprises must work and be loaded, so that later when the funds appear they will release new equipment at these enterprises, but with a much larger volume and an improved model. It’s only necessary to sell wisely and cannot be shared with co-production agreements in other countries only in Russia. wink
        5. DEfindER
          DEfindER 17 June 2013 16: 16
          +3
          Quote: seasoned
          They are stating the market, I think that they are purposefully promoting it, it is mainly exported for export. We are waiting for ourselves PAK FA. IMHO

          I agree that our Su-35 and T-90MS are exported versions to capture the foreign market. On which it is important that the technique is impressive and looks cool, they won’t buy otherwise, and our 4th generation airplanes and T-90-based tanks are already so debugged that they have no equal in their class, so they need to be sold, t. to. amers are unlikely to sell their raptors, but they have nothing more to put on the market. And for yourself to do the Technique of a new generation, PAK-FA and Armata.
        6. rainufa
          rainufa 17 June 2013 17: 59
          0
          The Chinese in their style will take apart and ctrl + c, and then ctrl + v, so you need to be careful with them.
        7. GSH-18
          GSH-18 19 June 2013 15: 13
          0
          Quote: seasoned
          Although I am aggressively against the supply of SU-35 to China

          I am joining. This is the same as building a Chinese aircraft factory, and solemnly presenting technical regulations for the production of Su-35! For the small.
      2. Evgeniy46
        Evgeniy46 17 June 2013 12: 09
        +1
        Quote: nycsson
        And therefore it needs to be sold for a hillock? The plane is good! It would be classified, but they should arm the Air Force units, but as always, we’ll arm the others first, and we will fly to the Su-24!

        sales after 2015 year. That is, the contract for 48 units will be executed first. for our air force
        1. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 17 June 2013 13: 10
          +8
          48 pieces, this is chickens to laugh !!! RUSSIA burns with shame from such rulers !!!
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 17 June 2013 15: 14
            +1
            Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
            48 pieces, this is chickens to laugh !!! RUSSIA burns with shame from such rulers !!!

            48, I think this is the first batch.
          2. Rustiger
            Rustiger 17 June 2013 16: 43
            +1
            Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
            48 pieces, this is chickens to laugh!

            With such and such a territory, with reserves of resources, with those who want to "scoop up with a spoon", with such a disastrous past over the last 1/4 century. ... ...
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 17 June 2013 16: 10
          -1
          Quote: Eugene46
          That is, the contract for 48 units will be executed first. for our air force

          It would be 480 pieces, then I would be glad! What is 48 pieces for Russia. That's just funny.
          Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
          48 pieces, this is chickens to laugh !!! RUSSIA burns with shame from such rulers !!!

          Totally agree with you. Money, that’s the whole thing. Nobody thinks about state security .......
      3. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 22 June 2013 09: 26
        +1
        Great Britain before the war mastered the Hurricane and Spitfire in industry, but adopted the minimum in service, but sold it abroad, and did not spend money on weapons, but received income. When she fought for the Falklands, most of the squadron consisted of ships built for foreign money at their shipyards, mobilizing them for their own purposes. Smart rulers have weapons at war in neighboring countries, in foreign territories. And why is such an attitude in foreigners? For me it is that Israel, where 40% of the Russian-speaking population, that Syria is our "ally", or Iraq and Iran, are all the same, I want to fight them, let them fight for themselves. The main thing is that their battles do not move to our borders. They are fighting "Civilized": surrounded - surrender, did not bring Orange in jars to dinner - refused to go on the attack, paid more there than here - went over to the other side, and then returned for a higher salary. For them, this is one of the types of earnings and nothing more. After all, the "amers" were not kept in such camps as our soldiers, they even received letters from home through the "red cross". I ask you brothers, do not apply our patriotism to their wars. And remember, it was our "Allies" who sold our equipment to the Amers after the collapse of the USSR. Remember the case when "prototypes" wanted to be tested in their wars, and a few days later she was already in America. For them, war is a business, and ours did the same in Chechnya, for which they "confiscated-appropriated" the money of "Dear Russians" from "Selenga" "Khopra-Invest" "Russian real estate" and seven others, "In the Far East at the bank "Selenga" confiscated three wagons of money "- such a message sounded in Novosti TV. Then our "expensive" government took money from me for a two-room apartment and then offered to return the money for two visits to the Department Store. This is also a modern war for the pockets of business or government.
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 17 June 2013 11: 14
      30
      Quote: ...
      The design withstands overloads of up to 14,5 units, despite the fact that for a person the limit is ten.



      The Soviet tester's name is John Ivanovich Gridunov. He withstood almost 19 units. Extreme extreme - I experienced not only shock overloads (repeatedly), but also many other difficult situations (I spent 13 hours in ice water, testing a special suit, 7 days in a pressure chamber, in a spacesuit with the temperature control system turned off) - the depressurization of the spacecraft cockpit was simulated when flying around the moon , kept up to half an hour in almost a natural vacuum when testing the KKO-5 high-altitude compensating suit). And all this - not even being a full-time tester.
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 17 June 2013 13: 15
        17
        These people need to put monuments in their lifetime !!! And not everybody!
        1. Sinbad
          Sinbad 17 June 2013 15: 24
          +1
          I fully support!
      2. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 22 June 2013 09: 58
        0
        Yaks were designed for 11 units, like La, but there were cases when their structures could not withstand overloads, the coating peeled off, or cracks appeared on the attachment points, but this was found on airfields, the aircraft could not withstand and the pilots brought them to the airfields, because The experience of our pilots, destroying in battle the structure of the aircraft above 11 "ji" in the design parameters of the models were laid steel 12 "ji" and more, although this increases the weight of the airframe.
    4. Nevsky
      Nevsky 17 June 2013 12: 38
      11
      Coming soon VAF, and all of you will spoil the mood. Starting from the fact that this aircraft is slowly being delivered to the Air Force of the Russian Federation, ending with the fact that it is still crude, and in general everything was .... .... flown in the military-industrial complex and in the country. (joke) fellow
      1. experienced
        experienced 17 June 2013 12: 47
        +6
        Quote: Nevsky
        Soon vaf will come, and all of you will be spoiled by mood.

        Laurels of Vanga do not give rest? request The VAF, in my opinion, reacts very adequately to the news: together with everyone it rejoices in the good and adds positive to its photos and does not really tolerate when instead of news another "hat" from unfortunate pisuns is served (it is difficult to call journalists). So your (joke) is not a joke, but an attempt to provoke a forum member, which looks stupid fool
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 17 June 2013 16: 12
          +1
          Quote: seasoned
          So your (joke) is not a joke, but an attempt to provoke a forum member who looks stupid

          I support! WAF deserves respect, in my opinion!
        2. Avenger711
          Avenger711 17 June 2013 22: 24
          +3
          Yes, Vaf is still an expert, he knows even what he cannot know about, and which is not in Google. In general, I doubt that he is the one whom he claims to be.
      2. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq 17 June 2013 12: 53
        +7
        Quote: Nevsky
        Waf will come soon

        Had to come soon, his comments about the planes are very interesting ......
      3. klimpopov
        klimpopov 17 June 2013 14: 55
        0
        Soon vaf will come, and all of you will be spoiled by mood. Starting from the fact that this aircraft is slowly being delivered to the Air Force of the Russian Federation, ending with the fact that it is still crude, and in general everything was .... .... flown in the military-industrial complex and in the country. (joke)

        Molodes! The Order of Petrosyan has earned!
        Hold it!
        SchA me stumble laughing but as it is!
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 17 June 2013 16: 14
          +1
          Quote: klimpopov
          Molodes! I earned the Order of Petrosyan! Hold on! They’re stumbling me but as it is!

          Why are you like that? Man is a professional in his field!
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 17 June 2013 16: 40
            0
            Yes, I do not mind, "Black Lord of Humor" can not be a layman.
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 18 June 2013 02: 13
              0
              "Black Lord of Humor" - I'm talking about Petrosyan
              I was misunderstood!))) Apparently too thin !!)) Vaf where are you? drinks
          2. Avenger711
            Avenger711 17 June 2013 22: 25
            -2
            Rather, an arrogant dreamer, hoping that he will not be checked.
      4. nycsson
        nycsson 17 June 2013 16: 11
        +1
        Quote: Nevsky
        Soon vaf will come, and all of you will be spoiled by mood.

        A competent person in the field of aircraft construction!
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 17 June 2013 22: 26
          0
          Yeah, I’ve swept it next to TsAGI. Such people are just inclined to consider themselves professionals.
          1. TSOOBER
            TSOOBER 18 June 2013 00: 07
            -1
            Aya-ay! How ugly! negative VAF specialist what to look for! But at the expense of you a big question No. - to you
    5. YARY
      YARY 17 June 2013 12: 47
      +4
      Oh, let's sell Yars and Boreas together with S-35? Damn the profit - it will be! Yes, and the Kremlin with the cathedrals for rent can be rented under the Geyropeysky carnival!

      angry angry stop
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 17 June 2013 14: 05
        +1
        I won’t be surprised if it will be so ............
    6. Orel
      Orel 17 June 2013 15: 40
      +3
      More to these for our Air Force
    7. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 17 June 2013 18: 59
      +3
      Still in the troops they were in sufficient numbers and not after 30 years, but after 2-4 years :( one weather machine will not.
    8. Quiet
      Quiet 17 June 2013 20: 05
      +2
      Yesterday in the news on ORT showed a flight .... FANTASY !!!!!!!!!

      Funny French in another !!! While he was flying, characteristics were shot for his detection with locators !!! bully
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 17 June 2013 22: 27
        +1
        And the aircraft on combat duty will not fall under the radar? Well, it's funny. The signatures of all production cars have long been known. Perhaps there is even a F-22, but still bombers collided with him in the sky.
        1. Quiet
          Quiet 18 June 2013 19: 08
          0
          If it rushes low and fast ..... am lol
    9. Interface
      Interface 18 June 2013 23: 55
      0
      And all this business will fly to China. Wonderful plane with us. Was with us.
    10. GSH-18
      GSH-18 19 June 2013 14: 21
      +1
      Quote: seasoned
      Yesterday in the news on ORT showed a flight .... FANTASY !!!!!!!!!
      Thanks to the creators of the car and the pilot, this is a song !!! Some emotions, let techies talk about TTX

      That's right. And the entire text of the article, word for word reporting from Le Bourget. This type, for those who did not understand the first time ?? lol
      Su-35 aircraft is really not ordinary. There is something to be proud of. It does not fit into the concept of the 5th generation, but with such performance characteristics, as you can see, it is not much inferior to it. A deep bow to the Sukhov engineers, as well as competent managers and directors of aircraft factories that produce these wonderful planes! yes
    11. Ivan Kalinovich
      Ivan Kalinovich 23 June 2013 23: 44
      0
      in general, this is the SU-37!
      or am I not understanding something?
  2. Praetorian
    Praetorian 17 June 2013 10: 37
    +1
    And already abroad? To China and some sort of NATO country for study?
  3. Uncle
    Uncle 17 June 2013 10: 37
    25
    Bogdan for many years and health.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 17 June 2013 22: 28
      +2
      The good news is that, like in the 30s, the test pilot is again a celebrity.
  4. sys-1985
    sys-1985 17 June 2013 10: 40
    +8
    Oh, and handsome, live to see him.
    1. Manager
      Manager 17 June 2013 10: 49
      +6
      Quote: sys-1985
      Oh, and handsome, live to see him.

      Max 2013 will give you this opportunity. Every year in the suburbs.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 17 June 2013 11: 18
        +3
        only on odd years they conduct MAKS, that is, once every two years! hi
        This year will pass.
    2. Check
      Check 17 June 2013 10: 51
      +4
      I think on Max this summer you can see, and on the T50 too))
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 17 June 2013 11: 27
        +6
        The 50 was also shown on MAX 2011, but the flight was about a minute, therefore, nothing special was shown on it.
        And so the sensations are awesome when it goes to the fast and the furious already everything rumbles inside you or these disruptions of the air flow, in general, it’s worth looking.
        Americans like ours do not fly, they do everything according to the pattern for 2-3 seconds and the next figure, and ours fly from the heart and how they "want" (I mean they spin the plane as they please, because it allows it), the French also fly elegantly.
        In general, there is the opportunity to go to the MAX.
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    3. rolik
      rolik 17 June 2013 10: 55
      +2
      Quote: sys-1985
      Oh, and handsome, live to see him.

      At MAX, in August, they will show.
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 19 June 2013 14: 51
        +1
        Quote: rolik
        At MAX, in August, they will show.

        With pleasure I also looked at the T-50! Generally awesome bird! smile
    4. Rustam
      Rustam 17 June 2013 11: 05
      +3
      It's nice to see this handsome man and our other cars - and the vedeo is good (usually I don’t say so, but I liked it) I would still sign the contracts


      live? so in August there will be MAX-2013 there and see him, I’m waiting for it winked
    5. Evgeniy46
      Evgeniy46 17 June 2013 12: 12
      +8
      Su-35-2 on MAX-2011. my photo. So on MAX-2013 we will see a production car
      1. radio operator
        radio operator 20 June 2013 14: 13
        +1
        And this is the 901 board. They are tested in pairs.
  5. ImPerts
    ImPerts 17 June 2013 10: 40
    +7
    Pancake, pancakes. Already 10 in service. 48 contract. It would be nicer to hear about 144 before 2015. But still nice)))
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 17 June 2013 11: 42
      +4
      Quote: ImPerts
      Pancake, pancakes. Already 10 in service. 48 contract. It would be nicer to hear about 144 before 2015. But still nice)))

      It would be nice, only 144 industry will not pull. request
      In general, in each district, a regiment of Su-35, at least necessary.
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 17 June 2013 22: 30
        0
        This is 2160 cars in 90 districts. Do not pull.
        1. Beck
          Beck 18 June 2013 06: 41
          -1
          Positive emotions. Emotions are very good. They support health. But one must also see objectivity behind emotions. Otherwise, deep stress can be obtained.

          I join in the positive feedback on the Su-35, it is the best fighter in Russia today. But we must not forget that the Su-35 is not a newly created aircraft, but a deep modernization of the Su-27 that has been flying for many years. Originally "thirty-fifth" and was called Su-27BM. BM is an abbreviation for Big Modernization. That is, modern equipment was crammed into an old plane. And it is not known how much it exceeds world standards.

          In addition, fanfares are appropriate when the aircraft is adopted by the Air Force. Now in service 12 Su-35 aircraft. The author of the article assumes that by 2015 there will be 48, according to other sources, there are only 15. According to other sources, power is gained by any combat aircraft not at exhibitions, but when it is massively located in combat units.
          1. GP
            GP 18 June 2013 09: 03
            0
            Su-27 itself is a world standard. Or what are the world standards in aviation, write to us, dark?
            1. Beck
              Beck 18 June 2013 09: 30
              0
              Quote: GP
              Su-27 itself is a world standard. Or what are the world standards in aviation, write to us, dark?


              And what are you calling yourself dark? Dark to sites like a light bulb to the blind.
              In addition to Su and MiGs, world standards include F-15, and F-16, and F-22, and F-35, and Rafaeli, and Tornado, and Typhoons.

              Just do not need to modernize the old Su-27 as a new aircraft. The new plane is Pak-fa.
              1. GP
                GP 18 June 2013 13: 46
                0
                Quote: Beck
                And what are you calling yourself dark? Dark to sites like a light bulb to the blind.
                In addition to Su and MiGs, world standards include F-15, and F-16, and F-22, and F-35, and Rafaeli, and Tornado, and Typhoons.

                Just do not need to modernize the old Su-27 as a new aircraft. The new plane is Pak-fa.


                Yes, I don’t mind joking with myself, and in aviation I’m not an expert at all repeat .
                f-ki 15 and 16, Rafali, Tornado and Typhoons - this is the same generation as the SU 27, MiG 29 and the only thing that is done with them, they modernize and proudly pass them off as a new aircraft. New at the moment are f22 and work on f35 and PAK FA, i.e. a new standard for military aviation. And it is not known how long they will go on sale on the arms market. The previous generation remains "new", there are simply no others on the market.
          2. Odysseus
            Odysseus 19 June 2013 06: 03
            0
            Quote: Beck
            In addition, fanfares are appropriate when the aircraft is adopted by the Air Force. Now in service 12 Su-35 aircraft.

            There are 10 planes, in formation 0, they are in Glitsa. And it was called Su-27M. The name Su-35 is already a purely advertising joke.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 17 June 2013 12: 11
      +2
      Quote: ImPerts
      Pancake, pancakes. Already 10 in service

      Fritters, (PACK FA), baked ... so far and pancakes for the highest grade. !!!!
  6. pa_nik
    pa_nik 17 June 2013 10: 41
    12
    "The Su-35 was the first to test the thrust vector. This is the only machine in the world that can make a pancake - a 360-degree turn in the horizontal plane without losing speed."

    What would you like!? Aerobatics! And this is OUR !!! to spite all enemies .. good
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 17 June 2013 22: 32
      0
      Yes, yes, and other engines do not have a thrust vector. The correspondent just didn’t spit on all these your planes.

      Su-30MKI has a controlled thrust vector. There was not one experimental one yet.
  7. orff
    orff 17 June 2013 10: 42
    21
    This is the only machine in the world that can make a “pancake” - a 360-degree turn in the horizontal plane without loss of speed.

    is no longer the only one! recently everyone saw a "pancake" performed by PAK FA
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 17 June 2013 16: 14
      0
      Quote: orff
      is no longer the only one! recently everyone saw a "pancake" performed by PAK FA

      just PAK FA is not yet serial and not in service. but after the latest information about the T-50th .. I don’t know .. before goosebumps the desire to see him in all its glory.
  8. valeriymotors
    valeriymotors 17 June 2013 10: 42
    14
    This once again proves to everyone that Russian military equipment is the best in the world !!!! good
    1. Praetorian
      Praetorian 17 June 2013 11: 03
      +1
      What proves? What did the pilot, who tested over fifty aircraft, did on the Su-35 "pancake"? What's the use of this pancake? This pilot, apparently, will do it on the "cornfield. It seems to me that we need to proceed from the capabilities of an average pilot, not an ace. And there it is important to fly closer unnoticed, to shoot on the second run or to the base, here it is from the results of" bullets "=). I could be wrong. IMHO.
      1. Evgeny_Lev
        Evgeny_Lev 17 June 2013 11: 20
        +4
        Is everything bad again? Didn’t please?
        Here you are, what a pity. Well, what else can you do to make your person happy?

        I think it is necessary to close the project Su 35, prosralipolymers (((

        LOL

        Comrade, you are mistaken.
        1. Praetorian
          Praetorian 17 June 2013 11: 41
          +2
          Well, I'm wrong, so wrong. I wrote that my opinion. And my dissatisfaction is caused by nothing more than the fact that this machine will fly to other countries, and not to our air force - 50 pieces to our country? Pffff ...
          1. Avenger711
            Avenger711 17 June 2013 22: 34
            +1
            It will not fly anywhere until the release is established, at a much higher pace, and orders for its own from export in this case will depend weakly. 48 cars until 2015 a normal contract, even in Soviet times.
      2. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan 17 June 2013 13: 54
        +6
        And there it is important to fly up closer unnoticed, to fire on the second run or to the base, here it is from the results of "bullets" =).
        Comrade, over-agility still did not interfere with any aircraft. And if the plane allows THIS pilot to twist such figures, then the average for anything, but it will be worth it.
        Threat. Guys, I'm happy for you, proud and a little envy. For the good.
      3. Corsair
        Corsair 17 June 2013 15: 11
        +6
        Quote: Praetorian
        It seems to me that we need to proceed from the capabilities of the average pilot, not the ace.

        From whom, in your opinion, these same ACCs grow? From yesterday's, "yellow-throated" graduates of schools ...
        And for the growth of the pilot elementary need plaque, knowledge and desire to learn from. Of course, not everyone will become assami (talent is a difficult business), but to be " at the level"maybe everyone ...
        1. GP
          GP 17 June 2013 15: 18
          0
          It is also worth adding that one such Ass is capable of training two or three dozen yesterday's "yellow-eyed" school graduates by personal example, experience ... And the Swifts and the Knights and not only they, by analogy, will be engaged in preparation. An imposing and formidable force will be drawn.
        2. Avenger711
          Avenger711 17 June 2013 22: 36
          0
          Not in aviation, there are expelled from schools a lot of those who are physically unable to pilot a fighter.
      4. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 17 June 2013 15: 21
        +2
        Quote: Praetorian
        What proves? What did the pilot, who tested over fifty aircraft, did on the Su-35 "pancake"? What's the use of this pancake? This pilot, apparently, will do it on the "cornfield. It seems to me that we need to proceed from the capabilities of an average pilot, not an ace. And there it is important to fly closer unnoticed, to shoot on the second run or to the base, here it is from the results of" bullets "=). I could be wrong. IMHO.

        I also wanted to know about it. Our gliders have always been famous, but how are things with weapons and avionics?
        1. Old_kapitan
          Old_kapitan 17 June 2013 17: 32
          0
          Yes, with weapons before it was not bad, but with avionics:

          "At the Le Bourget air show, Russia presented a new navigation system. The navigation system installed on board the Su-35S fighter is capable of operating in conditions when satellite signals are not available and at the same time the accuracy of determining coordinates is doubled compared to previous developments. Details are given by the official website. "Russian Technologies".

          The new system, designated BINS-SP2, is based on a combination of a satellite receiver and laser gyroscopes. When satellite signals are unavailable, the aircraft uses gyroscopes: the principle of inertial navigation has been known for a long time, but the developers managed to achieve a previously inaccessible combination of cost and accuracy.

          According to a statement from Russian Technologies, developed by specialists from the Moscow Institute of Electromechanics and Automatics (IIEA) and the Ramensky Instrument-Making Plant, the complex costs 40% less than its foreign counterparts, while the accuracy is twice that of previous inertial navigation systems. In addition, the engineers managed to achieve a resource of about 10 thousand hours, which also almost twice exceeds foreign analogues.

          The SINS-SP2 system is declared as universal and designed for use not only on military, but also on civil aircraft, as well as on board sea and ground vehicles. In addition to three laser gyroscopes, the navigation complex uses three quartz axlerometers. Laser gyroscopes determine the rotation of the rotating flywheel due to the laser beam passing through the gyroscope (see the Sagnac effect), and quartz accelerometers record the acceleration due to the vibrations of the quartz crystal on a special suspension that arise. "

          http://warfiles.ru/show-33019-v-le-burzhe-rossiya-pokazala-novuyu-sistemu-naviga
          cii.html
    2. Airman
      Airman 17 June 2013 13: 20
      +1
      Quote: valeriymotors
      This once again proves to everyone that Russian military equipment is the best in the world !!!! good


      Say thank you that we still live in Soviet reserves, for a long time enough. R&D was long in the pen, therefore, something revolutionary new will not appear soon. The same PAK FA began in Soviet times.
      And the onboard radar can track the target as much as 80 km, detect 400. RIDICULOUS !!!
      1. Army1
        Army1 17 June 2013 14: 03
        +1
        Still interesting f 35 will not hit him before, well, except for jokes, who will press the button first?
        1. Old_kapitan
          Old_kapitan 17 June 2013 17: 18
          0
          Still interesting f 35 will not hit him before, well, except for jokes, who will press the button first?
          Well, considering that the F-35 hasn't really learned how to fly yet, and the first test rocket launches were made a few days ago ...
        2. Constantine
          Constantine 17 June 2013 18: 28
          0
          Are you kidding me? )))
      2. Flanker66
        Flanker66 29 June 2013 01: 01
        0
        Tell me, do you know how radars differ from OLS?
  9. bremest
    bremest 17 June 2013 10: 45
    +7
    My congratulations to all the Russians and the Sukhoi Design Bureau. On the 100th anniversary of the Air Force, I also watched the flight of the SU-35 and also could not believe my eyes. We have a lot to be proud of!
  10. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 17 June 2013 10: 45
    +1
    Rosoboronexport expects to begin deliveries abroad.

    Are Serdyukov’s followers still in place?
    What, not enough models are older for sale,
    novye abroad, and let them fly on UT-2?
    When will the sale of the Motherland finally stop
    Wholesale and retail due to momentary benefits ?!
    1. Trapperxnumx
      Trapperxnumx 17 June 2013 10: 59
      +5
      No one needs junk. Everyone who needed it was already sold. And about the new technology, the truth is that it is twofold. Factories also live as needed, and exports are very well suited for these purposes.
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 17 June 2013 13: 26
        +1
        And what, the Air Force factory for planes nevermind in your pocket? I think they pay what they cost !!! And they cost a lot, I think ... but for such a machine it’s not a pity !!! 2000 pieces on the Air Force, it would be nice !!!!
    2. GP
      GP 17 June 2013 15: 08
      +1
      Quote: Starover_Z
      Are Serdyukov’s followers still in place?
      What, not enough models are older for sale,
      novye abroad, and let them fly on UT-2?
      When will the sale of the Motherland finally stop
      Wholesale and retail due to momentary benefits ?!


      Always and at all times, successful states have sought to have the glory of the best gunsmiths and sold abroad. The USSR regained the positions it had lost in the Republic of Ingushetia on the arms market. What is new today will become obsolete tomorrow. We need to sell now, but so that they do not copy, and if they do, so that it would be worse than our products. Sshatovites their f22 and f35 have already taken orders from Japan, Australia, Canada and others. Something they sided with the argument of "selling homeland", and old stuff is given, but only under the terms of modernization.
  11. fisherman
    fisherman 17 June 2013 10: 47
    0
    This is a very very good plane. When our pilot also controls it, he can do anything.
  12. ed65b
    ed65b 17 June 2013 10: 47
    +5
    Yesterday I watched as PAK-FA flies. All the same, a beautiful, strong car turned out. I would like to see MIG. Somehow they fell out of space. Are there any developments, what the company does, what plans. Very interesting.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 17 June 2013 10: 52
      +7
      Su Xnumx is the best of the best good



      SU 35 vs F22

    2. avant-garde
      avant-garde 17 June 2013 11: 28
      +3
      Quote: ed65b
      Yesterday I watched as PAK-FA flies.

      Participated in Max 2011, watched live as these birds fly, I’ll tell you it’s very impressive soldier
    3. klimpopov
      klimpopov 17 June 2013 18: 49
      0
      They are alive! And there is news!

      http://www.belvpo.com/ru/26003.html
  13. SPIRITofFREEDOM
    SPIRITofFREEDOM 17 June 2013 10: 50
    20
    And let the amers rub their f-35
    And this despite the fact that we had 20 years of stagnation and underfunding !!!
    I can imagine that right now, our troops would fly if the Union didn’t break up
    maybe round UFOs in kind)
  14. bap063
    bap063 17 June 2013 10: 52
    +6
    It's only the beginning!
    Our president knows what he is doing.
    Everything for the Motherland and its people (even personal life on the side)
  15. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 17 June 2013 10: 52
    +5
    I believed that all modern fighters have all-turning keels. This is not the case on this "drying".
    And the video shows that the car is "on YOU" with all the laws of aerodynamics. Beauty!!!
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 17 June 2013 11: 05
      +9
      Yes, along the way, the laws of aerodynamics get stuck from him ...
    2. Kair501
      Kair501 17 June 2013 11: 21
      +1
      Yes, not everyone has just a pak-fa, like keels are all-turning, NATO and the USA have more than one keel, all-wheel keels even on fu 35 and f 22, as far as I know
      1. Evgeniy46
        Evgeniy46 17 June 2013 12: 22
        +1
        still on the Tu-160 the upper part of the keel is all-turning
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 19 June 2013 15: 02
        0
        Quote: Kair501
        NATO and the United States are not on the same machine, all-turning keels even on fu 35

        On f-22, cyclic-rotary, if not mistaken ..
        But the T-50, it's generally just a break in the head! drinks
        1. Flanker66
          Flanker66 29 June 2013 01: 50
          0
          All-turning keels are used only on the Tu-160 and PAK-FA. On the Raptor, no ...
    3. Flanker66
      Flanker66 29 June 2013 01: 27
      0
      This is a merit of UVT, not keels! Keels are useless at zero speeds ...
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  17. PARTISAN
    PARTISAN 17 June 2013 10: 53
    12
    UFO - with the Russian flag on board!
  18. uhu189
    uhu189 17 June 2013 10: 54
    +4
    All this is great, that there are such machines, but in order to use the full potential of the equipment, well-trained pilots are needed. But you won’t prepare a pilot for a year or two, and when you look back and understand how much time you have incompetently missed, it becomes very sad ...
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 17 June 2013 11: 21
      +2
      Yes, it's okay. With thoughts gathered ...
  19. sashka
    sashka 17 June 2013 10: 56
    0
    Until the end of 2015, 48 such aircraft will be in service with the Russian army. Ten are already in service. Rosoboronexport expects to begin deliveries abroad.

    Like we already have in bulk .. There is nowhere to go, so we drive for export. Well, which side of human stupidity to hide? The eternal Russian Question arises .. Who is to blame and what to do .. Are there already built enterprises that stamp these machines like "pies"? Well, "guarantor" and "part-time Supreme Commander-in-Chief." He may be smart, but he is being bullied. Well, he trusts the Prime Minister ..
    "Cover" is a term from Agriculture .. Well, they tolerantly "cover" each other ...
    1. Evgeny_Lev
      Evgeny_Lev 17 June 2013 11: 23
      14
      But when will you all be satisfied, then?

      Whatever you do, everything is bad for you.
      Probably you are the winner of "The smartest" show with Tina Kandalaki as the host.
      I’ll tell you a secret, the name of the program has nothing to do with the meaning of the phrase.
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 17 June 2013 13: 32
        +2
        It’s bad that they’re already going to drive for the cardon, not having satiated their army !!! Or for them their own, where they are going to sell, your mother ..
  20. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 17 June 2013 10: 57
    +5
    It looks beautiful on the screen. smile
    But live just shocking. I went to the MAX-2011 - seen enough. Now I'm getting ready to leave for the MAX-2013. I am preparing equipment for filming laughing
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 17 June 2013 11: 22
      0
      Hello Ivan! Talk about max! I want it too !!
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 19 June 2013 14: 03
        +2
        Hi Yuri! What is there to say? You have to go there!
    2. avant-garde
      avant-garde 17 June 2013 11: 31
      0
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      But live just shocking. I went to MAX 2011

      Yes, I agree with you 100500%, even the access system of this event cannot overshadow his flights yes
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 19 June 2013 14: 02
        +2
        B..g with a throughput system. It is absolutely ineffective. But the question of toilets there is a nightmare!
    3. Mhpv
      Mhpv 17 June 2013 12: 12
      0
      There and Ka 52 did a good job of making peruets, the same to envy.
  21. Hellriker
    Hellriker 17 June 2013 11: 02
    0
    It's just beyond fantasy! ) It is interesting to the pilot very shitty? - overloads are serious.
    1. B_KypTke
      B_KypTke 17 June 2013 11: 22
      +4
      The pilot is assisted by an overload compensation suit.
      1. huginn
        huginn 17 June 2013 11: 37
        +5
        Yes, it remained somewhere in the 60-70s.
        Современный
    2. sergo0000
      sergo0000 17 June 2013 11: 23
      +1
      Quote: Hellriker
      It's just beyond fantasy! ) It is interesting to the pilot very shitty? - overloads are serious.

      I think it’s serious. So the pilots are special people! wink
  22. Vtel
    Vtel 17 June 2013 11: 04
    +2
    Now we can cut our pancakes, too, the Yankees will try on their vaunted F-35, immediately the pancake will go lumpy. Keep your nose upwind.
    1. Simon
      Simon 17 June 2013 14: 33
      0
      Not only the pancake will go lumpy, but it will rise across the throat! laughing
  23. shtirlits
    shtirlits 17 June 2013 11: 08
    +2
    Who would be surprised ... Good bird !!!
  24. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 17 June 2013 11: 15
    +1
    Now, over aerobatics will remain to show on the main show and begin to contract with us. And we are raising the defense industry plus and the country's image once again. smile
  25. Kair501
    Kair501 17 June 2013 11: 16
    0
    Pancake OUR CONSTRUCTORS HOW ALWAYS MAKED THE BIGGEST CARS IN THE WORLD (PAK-FA SU 35 C) SORRY THESE A LITTLE WILL BE DELIVERED TO THE TRAIN ASAP AND THINK ABOUT ALWAYS STARTING ONLY. SEE MORE OR LESS IN DISTANCE?
  26. sashka
    sashka 17 June 2013 11: 17
    0
    On one sixth of the Earth, 48 Cars .. Wouldn’t be dishonored ... Until the age of 15 .. It’s necessary to shoot such a high-level military aviation, but He will boast. An accomplice in one word ..
    1. Evgeny_Lev
      Evgeny_Lev 17 June 2013 11: 28
      10
      Comrade, do not be nervous and do not blaspheme those who, on duty, have a bulletproof newspaper. Number of fleet of Russia. Secret information. It seems that satisfying your aspirations about the real number of Russian arms is in last place among those who are responsible for this.
      Do not measure according to the Pinsky faces, those lovers say about the hundreds of miles of super-cyborgs, we have a slightly different approach to this.
    2. Airman
      Airman 17 June 2013 11: 37
      +2
      Quote: Sasha
      On one sixth of the Earth, 48 Cars .. Wouldn’t be dishonored ... Until the age of 15 .. It’s necessary to shoot such a high-level military aviation, but He will boast. An accomplice in one word ..


      But in a few years the Chinese will have several hundred "clones", we will arm them on our heads. And when the T-50 will appear, it is still unknown, only 4 cars began to be tested.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 17 June 2013 16: 18
        -1
        Quote: Povshnik
        But in a few years the Chinese will have several hundred "clones", we will arm them on our heads.

        That's for sure! They sleep and see how to chop off Siberia and the Far East! am
    3. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 17 June 2013 13: 16
      +3
      Quote: Sasha
      On one sixth of the Earth, 48 Cars .. Wouldn’t be dishonored ... Until the age of 15 .. It’s necessary to shoot such a high-level military aviation, but He will boast. An accomplice in one word ..

      Shame is the hunchback with Yeltsin and our KGB who ... went through all this. And these are laborers, and given how much Lockheed gets and plus the collapse, there’s nothing to be ashamed of, at least not for you to judge for sure!
  27. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 17 June 2013 11: 19
    +1
    I want, I want more! Please do not jinx - the device is good!
  28. olviko
    olviko 17 June 2013 11: 24
    11
    Quote: SPIRITofFREEDOM
    And let the amers rub their f-35
    And this despite the fact that we had 20 years of stagnation and underfunding !!!
    I can imagine that right now, our troops would fly if the Union didn’t break up
    maybe round UFOs in kind)


    The more I think about it, the more I want to strangle Hunchback with my own hands.
    1. Sinbad
      Sinbad 17 June 2013 15: 28
      +2
      Everyone wants to! And not only strangling, too easy.
    2. sashka
      sashka 17 June 2013 18: 35
      +2
      Quote: olviko
      The more I think about it, the more I want to strangle Hunchback with my own hands.

      Get in line .. You're not the first. )))
  29. Good fellow
    Good fellow 17 June 2013 11: 25
    0
    Good afternoon!
    This is a delight! What lines, bends, shapes .... this is a miracle of aerodynamics! The most beautiful plane!
    It is a pity that we have few of them so far, a pity of course, but you can immediately see in it the Russian .... Nashen, our mentality, spirit and will to freedom! I would have given them names to everyone, as is customary in Russia in Russia. Brilliant glider design !!! Guys! Who knows?! What engines stand on it?
    1. RDS-1
      RDS-1 18 June 2013 14: 32
      0
      Quote: Good fellow
      Guys! Who knows?! What engines stand on it?

      Google AL-41F1S:

      An aircraft turbojet bypass engine with an afterburner and a controlled thrust vector (UHT) of generation 4 ++, created by NPO Saturn by order of Sukhoi OKB for the Su-35S fighter, is one of the variants of the Product 117 engine.

      The AL-41F1S engines differ from the AL-31F (Su-27) in increased thrust (14500 kgf vs. 12500), longer overhaul life (4000 hours versus 1000), reduced fuel consumption, controlled by the thrust vector, and also allow the aircraft to develop supersonic speed without use of afterburner, which is one of the basic requirements for a fifth generation fighter. The engine differs from AL-41F1 (PAK FA) in the use of the old electromechanical control system and traction reduced by 500 kgf.
  30. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 17 June 2013 11: 27
    0
    The suit certainly helps, but to customize it is tired. So that such overloads are current for testers.
  31. bulvas
    bulvas 17 June 2013 11: 28
    +5
    Such would be a couple of thousand in the ranks and pilots, respectively, to prepare - as if no one would ever snoop
  32. Evgeniy8104
    Evgeniy8104 17 June 2013 11: 30
    0
    People who know how things are with Miga.
    1. Airman
      Airman 17 June 2013 11: 53
      +1
      Quote: Evgeniy8104
      People who know how things are with Miga.


      At the end of May, they demonstrated the MIG-35, they promise to take it into service.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 17 June 2013 16: 17
        +1
        Quote: Povshnik
        At the end of May, they demonstrated the MIG-35, they promise to take it into service.

        They say that they are not doing very well! Someone is lobbying for the dry ones, but they forgot about the instant! The USSR did not allow such a thing.
        1. Airman
          Airman 17 June 2013 23: 14
          0
          Quote: nycsson
          Quote: Povshnik
          At the end of May, they demonstrated the MIG-35, they promise to take it into service.

          They say that they are not doing very well! Someone is lobbying for the dry ones, but they forgot about the instant! The USSR did not allow such a thing.


          Yes, the Poghosyans - father and son - are Armenians, and they don't give a damn about the interests of Russia, they have a thirst for profit in their eyes, the main thing in their business (the menagers) is "green".
      2. sashka
        sashka 17 June 2013 21: 31
        +1
        Quote: Povshnik
        At the end of May, they demonstrated the MIG-35, they promise to take it into service.

        The word promise immediately catches up with depression .. Already from three boxes promised ...
    2. zennon
      zennon 18 June 2013 13: 47
      0
      Quote: Evgeniy8104
      People who know how things are with Miga.

      Check out ...
      http://aviaforum.ru/showthread.php?t=31023
  33. Simple
    Simple 17 June 2013 11: 31
    +3
    Photos from the fiftieth international aerospace show in Le Bourget:

    http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Le%20Bourget%202013
  34. pakfa-t-50
    pakfa-t-50 17 June 2013 11: 42
    +1
    "This is the world's most powerful fourth-generation fighter." Yes it is, but not 4 but 4 ++. We need to build more of these birds
  35. shamil
    shamil 17 June 2013 11: 47
    -2
    for those who don’t like selling su35. There are probably export options, a little different for themselves. And the pancakes on them are not when foreigners do not
    1. Praetorian
      Praetorian 17 June 2013 12: 06
      +1
      Probably have or have? But this is not the essence of the issue, most likely such modifications are present. Just the fact of the sale, as it is written in the article, upsets the latest Russian fighter. Even in a truncated version. Although it is clear that the factories need some kind of spinning, since our Moscow Region doesn’t buy a damn.
      1. shamil
        shamil 17 June 2013 12: 14
        -6
        well, instant 17 horseradish sales yes instant 29 is not worth a damn
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 17 June 2013 16: 59
          +3
          Quote: shamil
          well, instant 17 horseradish sales yes instant 29 is not worth a damn

          So the MiG 35 is a deep modernization of the MiG 29, like the Su 35 - Su 27 ... and why did you get that the MiG 29 is not worth a damn, a normal front-line fighter, with a lot of groundwork for modernization.
  36. Russ69
    Russ69 17 June 2013 11: 52
    +2
    48 pieces by 2015 is already good, I hope it will be continued for another 96 by 2020. Then it will be remarkably simple.
  37. igor12
    igor12 17 June 2013 12: 06
    +1
    1 kg of force per 1 kg of weight is weightlessness!
  38. shamil
    shamil 17 June 2013 12: 10
    +1
    also a physicist to me
  39. Venguard
    Venguard 17 June 2013 12: 12
    +2
    it's just an incredible plane ... my skin goosebumps went when he did it at 2:25
  40. Skifo
    Skifo 17 June 2013 13: 13
    0
    In moments when you see such domestic equipment, pride appears for your country! But! You can’t stop there, it should be like this: we are showing the SU-35, and we ourselves have at least the next generation to test!
  41. Navuxonastupil
    Navuxonastupil 17 June 2013 13: 16
    +7
    Flanker is such a little animal that prefers to eat Raptor ... wassat
  42. evil hamster
    evil hamster 17 June 2013 13: 20
    +6
    The news report delivered incredibly.
    1. 01.10 "the structure can withstand up to 14 overload units, and only 10 people, that is, the cockpit protects the pilot" - Everything is perfect here laughing rejoice brothers in Russia invented and introduced into the production of anti-gravity - a stormy and threefold cheers.
    2. 01.52 "says that the engine is special here for one kilogram of thrust 1 kilogram of weight" belay wow, and the engine is of the first generation, and the authorities are hiding, all the polymers have gone through .... laughing There is a suspicion that Bogdan spoke for the thrust-weight ratio of the aircraft in general, but journalists are such journalists!
  43. master_rem
    master_rem 17 June 2013 13: 21
    +1
    Quote: orff
    This is the only machine in the world that can make a “pancake” - a 360-degree turn in the horizontal plane without loss of speed.

    is no longer the only one! recently everyone saw a "pancake" performed by PAK FA

    and where to look? missed something ..
    1. Nitup
      Nitup 17 June 2013 13: 38
      +2
      Perhaps these frames were meant:
      1. psdf
        psdf 17 June 2013 14: 29
        0
        And even more joy will be when at one point on 1m they inform that 100 PACK FAs are already in service in the army.
      2. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 17 June 2013 21: 26
        +4
        Guys, seriously, after 26 seconds the video almost burst into tears, few people understand, but we stepped into a new era of air evolution.
      3. mabuta
        mabuta 17 June 2013 22: 06
        +1
        So not only planes fly, helicopters not everyone can. And this is not on native engines. hi
  44. shpuntik
    shpuntik 17 June 2013 13: 36
    +5
    A wonderful plane. Thank God that we still have bright heads to construct this.
    Still to make a rocket to it - VV. (Air-Washington)))
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 19 June 2013 15: 29
      +1
      Quote: shpuntik
      Still to make a rocket to it - VV. (Air-Washington)))

      Spakuha! There, the ammunition is as brain-bearing as the plane itself! T-50 really burns good
  45. bomg.77
    bomg.77 17 June 2013 14: 00
    +1
    It turns out everything is not so bad!
  46. My address
    My address 17 June 2013 14: 11
    +3
    Auto industry give aircraft manufacturers. Machines will be beautiful externally and internally.
  47. Egen
    Egen 17 June 2013 14: 19
    0
    "It's not a fighter, it's just a UFO!"
    We also have a UFO! But SU-35 is all better :)



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljLfGiqiOsA&feature=player_detailpage
  48. cartridge
    cartridge 17 June 2013 14: 27
    0
    Until the end of 2015, 48 such aircraft will be in service with the Russian army. Ten are already in service.

    Great post. The material is a definite plus!
  49. Simon
    Simon 17 June 2013 14: 44
    +2
    It seems that Christian Kunovsky was not crying out of delight, but out of envy. They will not be able to create such machines for a long time. belay good
  50. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 17 June 2013 14: 52
    0
    ... something incredible! - says engineer Christian Kunovski. - It's not a fighter, it's just a UFO! To be honest, for the first time in my life I cried with delight! "
    Is it really that good? So are F-22s and F-35s worse? I would like to hear the opinion of a specialist ...