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USSR victory prevents America from being a world leader

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We have a large historical the fact of victory over absolute evil, which could destroy at least half of the world. Victory in World War II is a Victory, in fact, of Good over evil.




Recently, the significance of this victory of the Russian people has often been called into question. The opinion is increasingly heard - Well, yes, there someone fought with someone, of course many people died, but in general, and in fact - this is a "banal episode of history"

In the West, this interpretation has recently gained popularity:
Only those wars in the history of mankind that were waged for democracy were correct. The rest is when some freaks kill other freaks.
And it is precisely this interpretation that is now being attempted to present in the world.

Moreover, this is done purposefully and deliberately, to devalue the value of Our Victory.
They need to present a real victory in the most terrible war in world history, as something passing through, not too important and not important for achieving the main goal - the establishment of universal "democracy."

Those. there is an attempt to juggling value systems in order to change one value system to another. At the same time, an obvious and understandable fact was washed up - Fascist Germany, at that moment, brought death and destruction to a huge number of people on the planet. It posed a threat to global peace. And the order that the Nazis established in the occupied territories, as well as the order that they were going to establish in countries that they did not enslave, was the hateful order of the new slave-owning society, where there is a race of gentlemen, and there is a race of slaves. And no difference was made for anyone.

From a religious point of view, it was a frank, than not covered by Satanism.

And to those nations, to whom he did not reach, it is just luck. And this is precisely the merit of our ancestors, because they sacrificed themselves, not allowing the victory of this Satanism.

So the value of this Victory in the historical retrospect is unequivocal. And now there is an attempt to belittle and blur this victory, to show that there was nothing special in it.
Well, there was one war, maybe there will be another, let's see ...

We need to speak openly that it was not only the victory of good over evil, but also the question of our survival and continued existence. This is extremely important, because You can often hear conversations:
Well, what about the Soviet Union? ... Well, how did he win? ...
Yes, he filled up all the mountains of corpses. ..
Here we have brought such a price, and see how clever the French are. They have a couple thousand died there, and all

Or the Dutch ... .. They generally did not die. That's the way to fight!

But they forget one simple thing. As the French and the Dutch, like all of Europe, they simply lost. They simply surrendered to the mercy of the victorious enemy.
They did not fight at all. They just lost and put the whole world in a situation where someone had to cope with this monster. When someone had to make a huge sacrifice.
Those who refused to make such a sacrifice, in fact, shifted the responsibility to other nations. So let other nations understand. ..

And OUR people turned out to be the one who was ready to make this sacrifice. And more than any other nations

Yes, a huge number of people died. There were miscalculations? Sure.
But in general, it’s about the fact that Hitler’s Germany could only be stopped at such a price.

And if our people would not have made this sacrifice, then someone who deftly settled and suffered a small number of losses would have lived in a state of slaves until now.

During World War II, our people showed a powerful mobilization potential. Yes, we had an incentive, if I may say so, because we were in a situation of survival. If it were not for those huge and simply inhuman efforts, and in the rear too, we would simply lose the war. The task was this - either by exerting all the forces, intellectual, physical, human losses, we pull out this victory, or if we miscalculate somewhere or want to relax somewhere, we lose and the country ceases to exist.

The mobilization system in the USSR was quite tough. And in the conditions of war, she allowed to carry out a modernization of the economy, which provided and victory. It is possible that in the conditions of Holland or France this would have been unattainable. That is, the authoritarian model that existed in the USSR, and which had its very obvious shortcomings, had certain advantages in the conditions of extreme.
In conditions when one third of the country was occupied, it was impossible to modernize the industry with a full transfer of it to the military rails, it was impossible, which also indicates a strong organizational potential.

It does not mean that there were no problems in the USSR. They were - and in the field of political management, and repression, and the shooting of personnel officers, it all happened. And some things were just scary - this is all real.

But all this should not be put on the same level as the value of the Victory that was won. Because very often they try to level the victory
The fact of the matter is that the Victory was achieved in spite of all this. And this is also its value.

Why do they want to devalue our Victory, or simply steal it from us?

We want to deprive our historic pride. In the newest history, the Victory in the Second World War was the most powerful achievement of our Civilization, our people and our country. Having devalued the victory, we want to impress a simple thing - in fact, you didn’t have any success at all. You are absolutely meaningless and unsuccessful. And in all relationships is not an effective nation. And your country has always not been effective, and your story is not correct, and your grandfathers are idiots, and your great-grandfathers are fools ....

...

What is it done for? This is primarily:
Demoralization
Instilling hatred of one’s own country
And this opens the door to the perception of another value system. In fact, there is an internal decomposition in order to run the virus.

Then what next thought? ..
And if everything was bad in my history and in my country, then where is everything good?
There is a model. It is perfectly promoted, advertised, it glitters and shimmers with all the colors of the rainbow. And this is the next goal.

The Americans, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, entered into the struggle for global domination. And although we are talking about a multipolar world, we are apparently moving towards this, but in fact 90 has been in fact, and now the Americans, whether you want it or not, are realizing global domination.

America is the most powerful country in the world thanks to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Personally, I think that it was not they who won the Cold War, but we destroyed the USSR.
For what reasons? This can be a long discussion.
But it was our asshole, our whim and our illness, as well as our way out of it.
And it is in this situation that America has become the global dominant in the world. And now they continue to be so. It is the most powerful country with vital interests in every corner of the world. (138 states where they have military bases).

To justify their dominance, because some money and weapons always a little, including need a successful historical project. MODEL VICTORY of America.
A list of merit in the past, except for the values ​​that they have now.
How to show the world why they are eligible for global domination and why they consider their model to be the best.

But here we need victories. And Americans have the most "impressive victories" were victories in "star wars" or even in some Hollywood films.
It is a fact, an indisputable fact.

Therefore, they build their own myths. And one of the myths is that they won the monster of the USSR in the cold war. Although we have already said that the Soviet Union collapsed due to its own internal problems, mistakes and misunderstanding of itself.

The fact that there was no real victory in the Cold War is also proved by many statements by American politicians and historians, for whom this was a complete surprise.
Victory cannot be a surprise if you go to it ...
Even a year before these events, and even six months later, none of them could have imagined a similar result. There were separate “visionaries” like Brzezinski, who talked about this, but even he didn’t imagine it as it happened in reality.

Americans say - and we rid the world of this Monster of the Soviet Union.
But here, in the triumph of America in the world, they are hampered by our victory in the Second World War.
Because what happens?
How did the Soviet Union, this "creepy Monster", from whom the whole world suffered, could defeat Hitler's fascism, the plague of the 20th century? And what does it mean?

And here another model comes into action - the USSR had no victory, the Anglo-American forces played a decisive role in this victory, and as for the Soviet Union, it was a battle between two tyrants, two comparable dictators, two nonhumans. ...
Well, many people died there - so what to do ??
Just some villains killed other villains ...
Yes this is such a villain rascal life

But we are another matter. And it is the Anglo-Saxons that really "made the world happy."
Here, to obtain the moral right to dominate and to sell our own model as the most successful, the value of not only our Victory is destroyed and devalued, but our foundation of values ​​is being dismantled.

Another very important thing is that the cult of victory was around the Second World War, as well as everything connected with it. A large number of human victims of various nationalities from different territories of our country, and not only, who were under the occupation of fascism and died for the common cause, and even the subculture that has existed for dozens of years around it all seriously binds the peoples in the post-Soviet space.
This is a common historical memory, because our Victory in the Second World War is first of all:
Good, righteous, and right cause
And not least - we really did it together. It was a GENERAL victory.

These are the spiritual bonds that V.Putin spoke about in his message to the Federal Assembly 12.12.2012.
This subculture, like the common historical memory of the Victory, holds the peoples of the former USSR tightly enough. And many do not like it. Because having a common cultural platform, having a common Success Story, as is now fashionable to say, having a common value is always a prerequisite for interaction and cooperation, as well as a platform for integration projects. And this is also not like.

Therefore, some say - Let's pull out all the common things that unite them. Let them have nothing left. Let's get rid of everything that they had in the past, so that they would hate each other and feel completely strangers.

Therefore, in many states the following model has officially become: And it was not our war. We were forced to fight in it. We didn’t want at all, and to us it’s all up to a bulb

But you are up to the bulb because they have not reached you. Because your grandfathers became breasts and did not let the fascists to you. And when they came to you, they would all bear your head.

It was the second World War, in which dozens of countries participated. And in the last year of the war, Germany officially declared war on 80% of all countries in the world. Even Argentina, Brazil ...
This is the question of how now, for example, in Georgia they say: "It was not ours that was war ...".
The whole world fought, but for Georgia, it turns out, it was "not our war" ... ..

Therefore, one of the elements of our integration is common memory and one history, the real level of cooperation between our peoples, as well as our Victories. But it is necessary to tell the historical truth, incl. and the truth, which is not very convenient.

There were a lot of examples of perfectly conscious collective heroism of people of various nations. The same Ukraine or Georgia. And what terrible destruction that war brought to Ukraine, not to mention Belarus ..

And how in this context it is cynical, painful and despicable to watch how ideas of flirting with Nazism and talks about Ukraine are being rehabilitated in Ukraine, and what, you think, Hitler and I would be nice ...
I think that in fact, Hitler would not leave anything from them. These people would be turned into slaves, into pigs, to whom it is convenient ..
Why invent something? It is necessary to read the original sources. Hitler wrote everything, how he would destroy the Slavs and the rest of the nations.
Why should each other hang "noodles on the ears", now invent his own thoughts for Hitler?
Yes, he expressed all his thoughts quite clearly in his speeches, books, speeches, articles, etc. And there was not any sentiment about the Slavic peoples in particular.

We must speak the truth and give a clear assessment of the historical process, the price of the victory that was. And we should not give anyone, according to our Victory, to stamp on and assert themselves, as some scum do, crawl with dirty feet, as was often the case in 90x years, when some simply revel in the process of smearing, mucking and trampling everything.
All this requires propaganda work, as well as work in new information networks and the Internet, as well as symbols of Victory.
The only thing I want to say is to avoid the fact that, unfortunately, the late Soviet Union suffered when it was all too formal, when sugary plots were invented that had no relation to reality, when it became overgrown with unattractive tinsel, turning into merchandising and laziness And this, too, in its own way devalued the victory, as it became one of the reasons for the ideological crisis in the USSR.

Unfortunately, in many countries, it was decided to simply delete the history of victory from their national history, as if this was not the case.
"Freedom" has called for the withdrawal of the concept of "Great Patriotic War"

Well, the Baltic States - these people can only regret. They joined the European Union and already consider: "there is happiness ...". And all the dreams that were - they came true. Now they are Europeans, yeah ..

On the question of the romanticization of Hitler and everything connected with him. Myths that it was possible to get along with Hitler - a blatant and blatant lie. There were no chances to get along with the occupation regime on equal terms. Hitler didn’t even think about equality with respect to his allies - Italy, Hungary, Romania .. And if they went on victoriously, they wouldn’t have a shadow of a doubt, but what to do with those whom they enslaved .
Either you work for us, or you are dead - there were no other options.

And these newfangled trends that it was possible to coexist with Hitler are complete nonsense and deception. Or you would not be, or you would be laborers.
Therefore, talk about the fact that this is not our war and not our enemies - at best, this is stupidity, and at worst - an extreme form of cynicism.

But the negotiations of the Americans, the Europeans were not up to that during the war, with Hitler, this is the usual position of the whole period of their existence. They live on a world island. Yes, they won the space for themselves, and in relation to Europe, they have for decades, or even centuries, been professing the role of the historical operator.

Europe, Eurasia, Asia - for them this is the field where they are trying to solve their problems. The strength of the American model, as well as weakness, lies in the fact that they transfer the solution of their problems to foreign territory, as well as to solve their problems at the expense of others.
It is senseless and illusory to look for romanticism in the Anglo-Saxon politics, as was in our dreams of the end of 80 and the beginning of 90. Yes, it is somewhere and the property of our character - to see good in everything. But on the one hand, this is both our plus and our minus, when we begin to evaluate politics, in the moral values ​​of Russian civilization. And she has never operated with these moral values, much less the policy of the Anglo-Saxons. She calmly, pragmatically and cynically solved her questions on foreign territory. So it was in the periods of the First and Second World War, and it continues today.

For America, this is a very successful strategy. Thus, competitors are weakened, potential rivals collide with their heads, their own economy is being fed, there is an opportunity to have a specific military doctrine of the expeditionary corps, unlike us and Europe, while fighting on foreign territory. Whereas we and Europe fought all our lives on our own territory, burned our own cities, destroyed our own bridges, and at the beginning during the defense, and then during the attack, and then it was all restored.

And then all these statements and questions: And why do they live the best? And we live in poverty and poverty, although we won?

And because some live on the world island, while others surrendered in time. And we had to repeatedly mess up porridge for them.

And this is a fact. Of course, he does not justify our problems and mistakes. And about the negotiations of America with the fascists. At the end of the war, realizing that excessive strengthening of the Soviet Union could create a problem for them, they tried to negotiate with Germany. Because the complete disappearance of Germany seemed to them unprofitable, there are a lot of reasons. Germany under Hitler is too much, but relatively live is normal.

For them, this is the usual chessboard on which they rearranged the figures. Unfortunately, for Americans and now many situations are like a chessboard. Precisely because they live there. There, as if nothing touches them. And here it is possible to rearrange other nations as pawns, well, you will think, a couple of pawns will inevitably be “eaten”, well, what can you do, such is a chess game.
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  1. Belogor
    Belogor 17 June 2013 07: 09 New
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    The further World War 2 goes into history, the more insinuations on this subject. Everything is turned upside down, black turns white and vice versa. Fraudsters-falsifiers.
    1. huginn
      huginn 17 June 2013 11: 26 New
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      A third of Japanese schoolchildren are sure that the Soviet Union dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
      1. yak69
        yak69 17 June 2013 12: 53 New
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        I have repeatedly written in past comments that the falsification of the history of the Second World War will only gain momentum, and with the departure of the last participant in these events, simply hysteria will begin. Until we start calling a spade a spade, we will continue to behave like that shy boy who is kicked by all and sundry. Tired of watching our leaders chew snot and call the same amers and gayropeans "our partners"! What kind of partners are they for us ?! They are our enemies! They were our enemies, they are our enemies and they will remain!
        1. yak69
          yak69 17 June 2013 13: 56 New
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          Amers have one goal-world domination and Russia is like a bone in their throat. They will do everything to destroy us completely and irrevocably. Our liberals of all stripes do not understand (or pretend that they do not understand). You can talk as much as you like about the art of diplomacy, about self-control, about being provoked, and so on. But we must understand that ordinary citizens are misled by such definitions and sincerely believe that amers and gay Europeans are our friends and partners. You cannot misinform your own citizens. Moreover, many young people already idolize America and everything connected with it. All over the world they support outright killers and cannibals, and we all show tolerance - "our partners"! What is our partnership? Is it cannibalism? All our positions on key issues are diametrically opposed. So where are we partners? We are fighting against drug trafficking, they contribute to it. We are fighting for peace in Syria, they are fomenting war. We defend traditional family values, they inculcate any debauchery. We are for peaceful cooperation, they unleash wars everywhere and bring grief and death!
          In the Sunday broadcast of Solovyov on the 1st, it was said that we just need to build our Russia together. But, excuse me, how can I build Russia together with liberals, homosexuals and lesbians ?! They have their own goal, mine is completely different! They are for degradation and Western "values", I am for traditional human traditions, where there is faith, family, Fatherland. Again they are trying to sniff me out. I'm not on my way with all this trash and evil spirits! You can't shake hands with them, but they urge me to build something with them.
          Krylov described examples of such construction - once a swan with a pike cancer!

          Therefore, only inveterate liberals or natural "terpily" can minus here.
          1. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 17 June 2013 14: 59 New
            0
            All evil from those who put money at the forefront, from the Jewish Zionist-Masons! All wars because of, and for money !!! And in our country the Jewish Zionists and their henchmen are in power! What's in the government, what's in the Duma, "lovers to drink" !!! For them, RUSSIA is a continuous freebie !!! It is necessary to drive through the court these uglepki, and after the zone, to the "historical homeland" !!! Enough to endure the chaos !!!
            1. smile
              smile 17 June 2013 16: 40 New
              +1
              SASCHAmIXEEW
              Regarding the fact that European Zionists and all sorts of Freemasons run Russia, I would like to answer you with a phrase from the film "Kinza-Dza" - "Lyusenka ... dear ... you got these pasta !!!" ... if you were right, then there would be no conflicts of interest with the striped ones. Everything would be exactly. We would fall apart into a hundred subjects, Siberia would be divided, etc. etc.
          2. redwar6
            redwar6 17 June 2013 16: 20 New
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            Wonderful words. Thank you so much for such a detailed statement. Very detailed pointed to everything.
            I will not tire of writing that the power is in truth. The day will come when we will proudly say that we have defeated the world plague once again. Not me, my children, and maybe my grandchildren will say it, although I hope I have the good fortune to say so. hi
          3. bear
            bear 17 June 2013 20: 05 New
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            If the Leader would Like Stalin would go without hesitation, all this trash in the person of the bureaucrats of the liberals would have shot without unnecessary sentiment. And the strangest laws by which we live are not created by the people we vibrate, but it is not clear who is mentally ill.
        2. skeptic
          skeptic 17 June 2013 14: 07 New
          +4
          Quote: yak69
          What kind of partners are they to us ?! They are our enemies! They were our enemies, they are our enemies and they will remain!


          What, what - trade. As Stalin had to communicate with Hitler, by no means out of love, so we, without unnecessary sentimentality, need to realize that they have the things we need, and we have the things they need. The main thing is not to relax and believe less "the Danians - the gifts that bring".
      2. Dimy4
        Dimy4 17 June 2013 12: 57 New
        +2
        I suspect that the Sshans already and the Japanese leadership have almost convinced of this.
      3. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 17 June 2013 20: 23 New
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        Quote: huginn
        A third of Japanese schoolchildren are sure that the Soviet Union dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

        Yesterday I heard that upon admission to MGIMO (!) Some applicants could not associate 1941-1945. with the Great Patriotic War. I don’t fit into the head- who have their parents and who taught them. Our children and grandchildren in our country have already taken away historical memory in our schools. Americans, Japanese ....
        1. IgWest
          IgWest 18 June 2013 00: 34 New
          +1
          Probably, our students are taught in the textbooks of the State Department.
      4. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 19 June 2013 13: 53 New
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        Quote: huginn
        A third of Japanese schoolchildren are sure that the Soviet Union dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

        And what do you want if in the history textbook for high school they are assigned to WWII events !!! 6 pages !!!, and the Soviet Union in WWII !!! less than one page !!!.
    2. Airman
      Airman 17 June 2013 13: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: Belogor
      The further World War 2 goes into history, the more insinuations on this subject. Everything is turned upside down, black turns white and vice versa. Fraudsters-falsifiers.


      The American history textbooks say that the United States made the main contribution to the victory over Germany. And mattresses believe in it.
  2. konn
    konn 17 June 2013 07: 10 New
    +9
    Of course, you can live on the island, only sooner or later ships will moor to it anyway, and let them pray that it would be merchant ... and not the BDK
  3. pensioner
    pensioner 17 June 2013 07: 15 New
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    Like the French and the Dutch, like all of Europe, they simply lost. They just surrendered to the mercy of the enemy

    Yeah. I don’t remember the "battle for Amsterdam" or "the battle for Paris". But the whole world knows the "battle for Moscow" and the "battle for Stalingrad." And amers will wait. They will also fight at home. Together. The freebie will end anyway. Sooner or later.
    1. Kushadasov
      Kushadasov 17 June 2013 07: 56 New
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      I don’t remember the "battle for Amsterdam" or "the battle for Paris".
      But it should be noted how the French famously ran ahead of the engine whistle to record themselves as winners in the Second World War. Laughter and more.

      Amer never experienced the pain and suffering that fell on the shoulders of our people. They will never understand this until they experience even a fraction of this pain. I wish them to fight at home. And so that the earth burns and the bricks melt even to the charred chimneys. Here I am so angry.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 17 June 2013 09: 55 New
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        Quote: Kushadasov
        Amer never experienced the pain and suffering that fell on the shoulders of our people

        You also consider how many escaped from the Soviet Army there! How many exported "useful for the future." They still hate the USSR, and in every possible way will support any myths in order to smear it with mud.
    2. viktorR
      viktorR 17 June 2013 18: 09 New
      +2
      Yes, they didn’t give up ... They simply fell under Hitler, as planned, to destroy the USSR, the third Reich is the first European Union.
  4. Vanek
    Vanek 17 June 2013 07: 20 New
    +9
    For some reason, I very much doubt that Hitler would have left alive all sorts of "policemen", "Banderites", and the rest, the so-called allies of the Third Reich.

    Like the French and the Dutch, like all of Europe, they simply lost.

    Yes, they especially did not fight.
  5. Horn
    Horn 17 June 2013 07: 30 New
    +8
    Moreover, it was through the yeast of the 2nd MV that the financial and military power of the USA grew up!
  6. nokki
    nokki 17 June 2013 07: 31 New
    +9
    America has always profited from wars. For them it’s a business. As for distorting historical facts, they have it in their blood: in fact, the American state was founded by adventurers, sectarians and criminals of various stripes. And their line of behavior for a little over 200-year history is appropriate: to live at the expense of others!
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 17 June 2013 20: 45 New
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      Quote: nokki
      America has always profited from wars.

      Quote: nokki
      live off others!

      Not true)).
      America was created by Russia in 1867)). We have given our flesh (Russian America) to protect and create them.
      If we want to understand what it meant then - let's look at Ukraine)).
      Do not appreciate)).
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 18 June 2013 05: 23 New
      +7
      S. Yesenin, when he wrote:
      "I'm telling you, America,
      the breakaway part of the earth
      Fearing through the seas of unbelief
      steel ships ... "

      Poem "Country of villains"
      Written in the 20s of the last century.
      A brilliant poet, albeit from a plow
  7. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 17 June 2013 07: 33 New
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    "That THESE won us too?" V. Keitel (On the representative of France at the signing of the pact of unconditional surrender)
  8. pinecone
    pinecone 17 June 2013 07: 39 New
    +4
    For the sake of objectivity, it must be admitted that the losses of the German Air Force during the French campaign of 1940 turned out to be very high.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 17 June 2013 08: 42 New
      +6
      Quote: pinecone
      For the sake of objectivity, it must be admitted that the losses of the German Air Force during the French campaign of 1940 turned out to be very high.


      Then it’s necessary to add that a significant number of German troops during the occupation of France also suffered and lost fighting ability ... drank on free French wines and cognacs, became obese to disgrace from French cuisine, got impotence and veins in the fight against French patriots. with loving french whores in brothels ... laughing laughing lol
    2. sapsan14
      sapsan14 17 June 2013 08: 58 New
      +1
      Losses of Germany in France amounted to 27074 killed. A wounded 111034missing 18384 (Urlanis B.Ts. "History of military losses.", POLYGON, AST, St. Petersburg, Moscow, 1998, Fomin V.T. "Fascist Germany in World War II, September 1939 - June 1941.", Moscow, "Science", 1978.)
      1. Gari
        Gari 17 June 2013 11: 52 New
        +9
        We won. Our grandfathers won and our task is to properly educate our children.
        So that no one will ever forget May 9
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 17 June 2013 09: 15 New
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      Quote: pinecone
      For the sake of objectivity, it must be admitted that the losses of the German Air Force during the French campaign of 1940 turned out to be very high.


      It is true that it was then - 935 air victories, which corresponds to a share of about 50% of the total losses of the Luftwaffe. In just 42 days of hostilities, 2073 aircraft were lost half of the original composition and 6611 aircraft, of which 547 were lost fighters.
  9. Kushadasov
    Kushadasov 17 June 2013 07: 42 New
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    The USA is an extremely aggressive, cynical, greedy state. For 237 years of the scantiest history of its existence, this monster managed to shit the world in unimaginable quantities. Suffice it to calculate how much the United States fought on a foreign land. Almost every year. The main moral is chutzpah, double standards and profit. Yes, maybe the bulk lives well. But all this is at the expense of the rest of the world and BEFORE THE TIME, BEFORE THE TIME. You can talk as much as you like about the participation of the Americans in "saving" the world from the fascist plague. BUT it was the United States that nurtured and put Hitler on his feet. The invasive philosophy of scum and scoundrels who came from Europe to North American soil continues to dominate this country. This is at the genetic level. The Soviet Union was like a pain in the ass for the United States on the Second World War: well, of course ... the victorious country. The minimum task is to push the winner aside, the maximum task is to erase from people's memory about the true winner. For how well Kurginyan said - as soon as we are removed from the lists of winners - they will come to kill us. And he's right a thousand times over.
    Good article by S. Mikheev. Thank.
    1. Gari
      Gari 17 June 2013 11: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Kushadasov
      The USA is an extremely aggressive, cynical, greedy state. For 237 years of the scantiest history of its existence, this monster managed to spoil the world in unimaginable quantities. It is enough to calculate how much the United States fought on FOREIGN land.

      Or maybe finish on his land in Washington.
      1. FunkschNNX
        FunkschNNX 17 June 2013 15: 36 New
        -5
        The picture is not correct. In the original, it was the American Marines who raised their flag over Iwo Jima
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 17 June 2013 16: 10 New
          +1
          In the original, the flag above Iwo Jima was raised a few hours earlier, and this photo is staged. But in this case, everything is the case. The fighting there was heavy.
        2. CTEPX
          CTEPX 17 June 2013 21: 11 New
          -1
          Quote: Фкенщь13
          American Marines Raise Their Flag Over Iwo Jima

          Yes Yes! FOR THE FIRST TIME in US history, defeating 5000 islanders (if you count with all the troops) in a DRY operation)) March 26, 1945)).
        3. poquello
          poquello 17 June 2013 21: 43 New
          +1
          "The picture is not correct. In the original, it is the American Marines who raise their flag over Iwo Jima."

          definitely wrong - such a shoblak cannot raise one flag
    2. Dilshat
      Dilshat 17 June 2013 12: 02 New
      +2
      We will not allow the situation to such a situation. We will not wait.
    3. CTEPX
      CTEPX 17 June 2013 21: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Kushadasov
      Over 237 years

      Quote: Kushadasov
      BUT fostered and put on the feet of Hitler is the United States

      Quote: Kushadasov
      The Soviet Union was like a pain in the ass for the United States

      Do not exaggerate America like that)) And add them a hundred years)).
      And to expose them as "unsuitable target" in the maxims about Hitler)).
      And compare the USSR with a splinter in the ass)).
      Did not try to hold the enemy by the balls?
      Very informative)).
  10. Vladomir
    Vladomir 17 June 2013 08: 04 New
    11
    According to our Great Victory, we must fight in the same way as our grandfathers and fathers fought in the 1941-1945s. We cannot allow double statements, we must not retreat a single step. The enemy seeks ways and means to rewrite history in his own direction. A correct understanding of history is the formation of a right future. We did not profit from the war, we shed our blood, including freeing Europe and killing fascism in its den. The West will always present war in a color that is advantageous to them. The war on the information front does not stop for a minute. And here, our cause is just, the enemy will be defeated!
  11. Avenger711
    Avenger711 17 June 2013 08: 25 New
    +4
    I have no doubt that those who have any doubts about our Victory should be planted for a long time. It’s better for life, so that later they don’t say that they were repressed for anything.
    1. Kushadasov
      Kushadasov 17 June 2013 08: 26 New
      +3
      and such homegrown ponds are ours. And what can we say about foreign children ...
  12. kavkaz8888
    kavkaz8888 17 June 2013 08: 38 New
    12
    We approach any school and ask children of 10-15 years a simple question: when was the Great Patriotic War? (For the thrill of feeling, we also ask about the 2nd World War) You will get rid of the answers. So the circuit is already working. The ONLY way out is to teach your children yourself. Talk here, talk to your children.
    1. RPD
      RPD 17 June 2013 08: 44 New
      +4
      teach your children yourself. Talk here, talk to your children.

      I agree completely. for me, so all revisionists need to be beaten in the snout
      1. saved
        saved 17 June 2013 09: 19 New
        +4
        while in our history books pass the Second World War as a small point, it will be difficult for children to understand how great we were. So this is a matter of statehood. Patriotov brings up the state in glorious history lessons.
        1. Airman
          Airman 17 June 2013 14: 03 New
          +4
          Quote: saved
          while in our history books pass the Second World War as a small point, it will be difficult for children to understand how great we were. So this is a matter of statehood. Patriotov brings up the state in glorious history lessons.


          The state, represented by the Ministry of Education, orders textbooks, including those on history. And while we have such a minister, there will be such textbooks. And he (the minister) arranges the ruling elite, which means that they are also satisfied with the coverage of OUR HISTORY.
    2. sapsan14
      sapsan14 17 June 2013 09: 20 New
      +5
      One small, elevated fact will help assess the scale of the ideological struggle with Russia: Why, on the eve of Victory Day, for FREE! St. George's ribbons are heard? This is presented as a unifying factor for the people, the memory of the Second World War, etc. (to some extent this is so).
      The red banner of Victory, soaked in the blood of our soldiers, goes to museums. Another thread tearing in memory connecting the USSR with the Victory over fascism. And all this under patriotic slogans!
      We have a very strong, treacherous adversary, acting strictly according to the plan of the war. Realizing that they cannot defeat us as a whole, they beat us in the details, affect children. I completely agree with kavkaz8888:
      Quote: kavkaz8888
      The ONLY way out is to teach your children yourself. Talk here, talk to your children.
      1. RPD
        RPD 17 June 2013 09: 53 New
        +1
        What do you dislike about the ribbon and the order of glory? it’s another matter that they have debased everything. learn materiel. there were less cavaliers of the Order of Glory than the heroes of the USSR.
        The Order of Glory in its statute and color of the ribbon almost completely repeated one of the most revered awards in pre-revolutionary Russia - the George Cross (among the differences - a different number of degrees: 3 and 4, respectively).
        1. sapsan14
          sapsan14 17 June 2013 17: 31 New
          +2
          Of course, it is necessary to learn the materiel - who is against it. Only the conversation is not about what you like or not, but about the substitution of CONCEPTS. The Red Banner, the Red Star (which they also tried to unobtrusively replace with the tricolor) are the BASIC VICTORY SYMBOLS of the Soviet Union, and we are replaced with the ribbon color pre-revolutionary Russia. You need to look wider, no offense.
          PS I bow to the courage and fortitude of Soviet soldiers: from the Heroes of the Soviet Union to the Unknown Soldier.
          1. RPD
            RPD 17 June 2013 17: 38 New
            +2
            Yes, what insults. Only it seems to me it is not a question of substitution, but of continuity. Order of Kutuzov, Suvorov, etc. from the same opera. their banners are as sacred as the banners of Soviet soldiers. happen that, God forbid, and the tricolor is not dishonored. although it happens that the red banners will succumb))))) probably
            1. Genady1976
              Genady1976 17 June 2013 18: 30 New
              +3
              For the Western "partners" there is no difference between Tsarist Russia, Soviet Russia or
              how now they don’t care Russia they just don’t like
          2. family tree
            family tree 17 June 2013 18: 27 New
            +3
            Quote: sapsan14
            and we are replaced by the color of the ribbon of the award of pre-revolutionary Russia. We need to look wider, no offense.

            Here is a mistake. Like many who call the Guards tape, St. George's.
            The guards tape was a silk moire ribbon golden orange colors with three longitudinal black stripes printed on it. During the USSR period, the guards tape was used in the design of the pads of the Order of Glory and the medal “For Victory over Germany”.

            St. George Ribbon - a two-color ribbon to the Order of St. George, St. George's Cross, St. George Medal. The colors of the tape - black and yellow - mean "smoke and flame." Just very similar, both in appearance and in essence.
            1. tixon444
              tixon444 17 June 2013 20: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: perepilka
              Just very similar, both in appearance and in essence.


              And in meaning, too.
              Now the meaning is more like this:



              Before the 1917 revolution, St. George’s ribbons on a peak were worn by sailors of the guards crew of the ship awarded the St. George flag.
        2. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 17 June 2013 21: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: RPD
          there were less cavaliers of the Order of Glory than the heroes of the USSR.

          To become a full Knight of the Order of Glory, one had to accomplish three feats; to become a Hero of the Soviet Union, one. The front-line soldiers said something like that and appreciated the full "bow" of the Order of Glory above the Hero of the Soviet Union.
  13. svskor80
    svskor80 17 June 2013 08: 54 New
    +4
    To teach your children is not even discussed, but you still need to invest in cultural centers abroad that will promote our values ​​and uphold the real course of the history of Russia and the world in discussions and in the press.
  14. lesnik340
    lesnik340 17 June 2013 09: 00 New
    +6
    I think it’s necessary to lubricate the iron curtain and is preparing for war. It is interesting how long they will knock on us. I will say in advance: they will soon be allowed to enter Europe only through a proctologist.
  15. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 17 June 2013 09: 09 New
    +6
    Let me give you an example of this quote!
    From the welcoming speech of the president to the deputies of the Euro-American Parliament
    ... And on this significant day of our victory, I want to remember not only those whose efforts crushed the army of the Soviet Union, but also those whose actions made possible the aggression of a bloody dictator on peaceful European cities. The short-sighted, or rather, the criminal policy of China and a number of Asian countries connived at the aggressor and made possible the whole nightmare that we had to endure. The nuclear bombs that the Soviet Union brought down on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, destroyed by the barbaric bombing of Hamburg and prepared for the Dresden bombing - this is an incomplete list of crimes by the enemy of the entire civilized world, which, no doubt, Russia has always been and is now.
    For many years we fought with this monster, which captured not only a significant part of the land, but also the lion's share of world resources. The best sons of Western civilization tried to bring the light of democracy and freedom to this damned land. The great commander Charles XII, Napoleon and Adolf Hitler - they all gave their lives for Russia to become a truly free country - a country free from dictatorships, and to join the united family of world civilization. But the anger and treachery of the Russians do not know the limit. People paid an expensive price for the dream of a free Russia. Karl fell on the battlefield, died, retreating from worldly fuss, Napoleon, committed suicide by Hitler. The blood of these prominent people and the pillars of European freedom is in Russian hands. And we must not forget them, nor many others, who laid down their lives in the name of the triumph of truth.
    1. Grigorich 1962
      Grigorich 1962 17 June 2013 09: 54 New
      +1
      here! ..... the information war ..... we will always be the loser if we do not raise the information propaganda of RUSSIA to the international level.
    2. family tree
      family tree 17 June 2013 10: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: Strezhevchanin
      From the welcoming speech of the president to the deputies of the Euro-American Parliament
      ... And on this significant day of our victory, I want to remember not only those whose efforts crushed the army of the Soviet Union, but also those whose actions made possible the aggression of a bloody dictator on peaceful European cities. The short-sighted, or rather, the criminal policy of China and a number of Asian countries connived at the aggressor and made possible the whole nightmare that we had to endure. The nuclear bombs that the Soviet Union brought down on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, destroyed by the barbaric bombing of Hamburg and prepared for the Dresden bombing - this is an incomplete list of crimes by the enemy of the entire civilized world, which, no doubt, Russia has always been and is now.
      For many years we fought with this monster, which captured not only a significant part of the land, but also the lion's share of world resources. The best sons of Western civilization tried to bring the light of democracy and freedom to this damned land. The great commander Charles XII, Napoleon and Adolf Hitler - they all gave their lives for Russia to become a truly free country - a country free from dictatorships, and to join the united family of world civilization. But the anger and treachery of the Russians do not know the limit. People paid an expensive price for the dream of a free Russia. Karl fell on the battlefield, died, retreating from worldly fuss, Napoleon, committed suicide by Hitler. The blood of these prominent people and the pillars of European freedom is in Russian hands. And we must not forget them, nor many others, who laid down their lives in the name of the triumph of truth.

      Where did the firewood come from? Does it hurt like any alternative?
  16. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 17 June 2013 09: 33 New
    +7
    There is no need to scold the Americans, they do what is more profitable for them, why should they play giveaway with us? It's the same as when playing chess, the losing side will complain that they say "they did not understand and did not appreciate "The Americans act harshly and cynically and they absolutely do not give a damn about our or anyone else's opinion. Usually, higher powers give countries a chance to rise, it was for many, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Byzantium, Spain, France, Germany, etc. This chance is usually the only one, and if it is misused, the country rolls into the UG and no longer rises. Russia in this regard is some kind of anomaly, it had a chance to rise at least four times: during the times of Kievan Rus, Ivan the Terrible, The Russian Empire and the USSR, and every time we ourselves destroyed our state with our own hands, of course not without "help", but we did all the main work ourselves. After that we sat down to whine on the ruins saying "they didn't understand, didn't appreciate, they saved the world from the Mongols, the Kaiser , fascists and they don't like us. "I will say the Western elite does not just “don’t love” us, it hates us to the point of shaking. In the eyes of the whole surprised world, Mrs. Luck, forgive and give Russia over and over again, while the rest are forced to start same-sex marriages and walk along the line when the Big Boss appears in the person of the USA. And once again, when Russia, having reached its peak in the person of the USSR, collapsed under the roar of applause and the presentation of the "peace" prizes, we again sit on the ruins and once again "did not understand, did not appreciate", maybe that's enough?
  17. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 17 June 2013 09: 34 New
    +3
    According to French prostitutes, the occupation years were the best years for them with tears in their eyes. They escorted the Wehrmacht eagles to the eastern front. The United States won the most. They received more than 2 tons of gold from the USSR for their help. They say that they saved the whole world from Germany’s nuclear weapons. the Soviet Union in the war is not noticeable for them, and the story for schoolchildren was written by American experts and approved by our Ministry of Education
  18. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 17 June 2013 09: 38 New
    +1
    <<< Only those wars in the history of mankind that were fought for democracy were correct. The rest is when one killed other freaks.
    And this is exactly the interpretation that the world is trying to present now. >>>
    Absolutely arrogant, arrogant game democrats have come off the world and do not want to see obvious things already, that their democracy is the one that no one wants to see on their land and soon people from different countries will take up the club at the mere mention of democracy!
  19. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 17 June 2013 09: 47 New
    +2
    We interfere with the Americans in everything ... or rather the Masonic lodge. We interfere with chaos and ruling. Our Russian character faith does not allow the Americans to enslave us with all their desire. In the truth of the USA - the evil empire of all the most rotten that is on this sinful Earth
  20. nemec55
    nemec55 17 June 2013 09: 48 New
    +5
    In order not to poke a stranger’s cat in the humus you need to poke yourselves (idiots of idiots) so that Vorkuta seems like a paradise. That's when idiots will have 100% certainty about the inevitability of punishment for THOUGHTS (not to say by word) that there are no Russian nations or SMERSH this is the same as the Gestapo. Then we will live
  21. Valery-SPB
    Valery-SPB 17 June 2013 09: 53 New
    +2
    I am for the availability of constantly necessary statements about the central role of the USSR in the victory over fascism!
    But after reading the first paragraphs, I did not understand something.


    Recently, the significance of this Victory of the Russian people has been often questioned ... in fact, it is a "banal episode of history" ...

    In the West, this interpretation has recently gained popularity:
    Only those wars in the history of mankind that were fought for democracy were correct. The rest, when alone, killed other freaks.
    And it is precisely this interpretation that is now being attempted to present in the world.

    Moreover, this is done purposefully and deliberately, to devalue the value of Our Victory.

    They need to present a real victory in the most terrible war in world history, as something passing through, not too important and not important for achieving the main goal - the establishment of universal "democracy."

    ... there is an attempt to juggle value systems in order to change one value system to another. At the same time, having washed away the obvious and understandable fact - Fascist Germany, at that moment, brought death and destruction to a huge number of people on the planet. She posed a threat to global peace.

    ... the value of this Victory ... is unequivocal ... there is an attempt to belittle and blur this victory, to show that there was nothing special in it.


    Correct if I'm wrong.

    According to the author.

    Participation of the USA, Great Britain and France in the war against fascist Germany - is it participation in the war of "some monsters against others" or not?
    Did the USSR take a major part in this war of "freaks against freaks" or not?
    The participation of the United States, Britain and France in the war against fascist Germany - is this participation in the war to protect global values ​​from the fascist dictatorship and attempts to establish a global fascist regime or not?
    The USSR took part in this war, to protect ... or not?
    Do former coalition members mark the end date of the war against fascist Germany on May 8-9, thereby recognizing that it was a war NOT "freaks against freaks" or not?

    Or the author made such a slippery and magical pirouette, somehow incomprehensible and inexplicable for me, linking his statements on which I had questions with a different question - the role of the USSR in the war against Nazi Germany and the West’s attempt to downplay the role of our country in the Victory over a global enemy?
  22. Oleg
    Oleg 17 June 2013 09: 54 New
    -12 qualifying.
    The delirium of a madman ... And the title of the article? To the Americans like a drum, they have long been ahead of the rest, and we WILL RETRIEVE ....
    1. RPD
      RPD 17 June 2013 10: 00 New
      +6
      with whispering know better
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 17 June 2013 12: 10 New
        +4
        Quote: RPD
        with whispering know better


        Yes, what is Shepetovka! Farm Hairy, scho in Pisyunivshchyna - maximum
  23. stroporez
    stroporez 17 June 2013 10: 11 New
    +3
    boo ha ha !!! "....... These people would be turned into slaves, ........." and now they are, I'm embarrassed to ask who ???????????
  24. fenix57
    17 June 2013 10: 28 New
    +4
    Quote: Kushadasov
    . It’s enough to calculate how much the USA fought on FOREIGN land

    Please, ask, an almost complete list:
    "Since 1945, the US military has been involved in military conflicts in various parts of the world, including the Mediterranean, the Middle East, Africa, Asia, Latin America. The following is a list of the largest US military operations abroad in the postwar years:
    1950-1953 - war in Korea. About 350 thousand people, 1000 tanks, over 300 ships participated in the hostilities. The predominant part of the military contingent and military equipment provided the United States.

    April 1961 - an attempt of the American invasion of Cuba in the Playa Giron region in order to overthrow the government led by Fidel Castro.

    1965-1973 - the war in Vietnam. The largest use of US forces after World War II.

    1964-1973 - US armed operation in the fight against the Pathet Lao front in Laos. Over 50 thousand people participated.

    October 25, 1983 - June 1985 - US military operation "Sudden Fury" in Grenada to overthrow the left-wing government of the island nation.

    April 1986 - after the introduction of economic sanctions, the United States launched military actions against Libya. Residential areas of the cities of Tripoli and Benghazi were bombed.

    December 1989 - US military operation "Just Cause" in Panama in order to remove from power the country's leader Manuel Noriega, accused of drug trafficking and the promotion of terrorism.

    January 17 - February 28, 1991 - a military operation by the United States and its allies to liberate Kuwait from Iraqi occupation, code-named "Desert Storm."
    17 January 1993 - The United States launched a missile strike at an object located about 20 km from the center of Baghdad, where, according to Washington, work was underway to create nuclear weapons.
    26 June 1993 - The United States launched a missile attack on the main Iraqi intelligence command and control complex in Baghdad in response to Baghdad’s allegedly alleged plans to assassinate US President George W. Bush.

    3 September 1996 - The United States launched a cruise missile attack on Iraq after Iraqi forces conducted an operation against the Kurds in the Erbil area of ​​northern Iraq.

    August 20, 1998 - Attack on "terrorist targets" in Afghanistan and Sudan in response to terrorist attacks against the US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya. "
    hi
  25. deman73
    deman73 17 June 2013 10: 39 New
    +2
    Many people now want to revise history and replay the results of the war and amers and Saxons and Bosh with yupps, and we just need to actively counter this
  26. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 17 June 2013 10: 44 New
    +4
    The United States has chosen its own path. This way is the road of deception. Why fight, win, die? After all, you can make others fight! How? Cheat. And then take away the fruits of victory. Ideally, to destroy the winner during the war, so that after the victory take advantage of everything that the stupid winner has won ...
    We did not become an enemy of the United States when we made the "great revolution" (they gave each other bruises on their backs there, they beat them on the backs with delight). And not when they went through all of Europe, in Berlin confirming who is a warrior and who is a prostitute. And not even when they were doing 100 kilometers a day along the continuous fortified areas of the Kwantung Army, rubbing the "formidable invincible tiger-dragons" with boots on their own concrete.
    This happened when Stalin raised us, and we believed him, when a country of powerful industry began to rise from a poor, ruined, robbed, seemingly forever country. When, after the hellish destruction of World War II, in a matter of years, a huge industry was launched again! The army is an expression of the power of the Power. But not the power itself, no. Power is in factories. In workshops, in the fields, in institutes ... We have shown that we will not succeed in destroying us.
    After all, what is the strategy of deception? The deceived must be deprived of everything. That he could never come for HIM. Because any deception will dissipate. Deceived, deceived, lured into a swamp by a democratic mirage, will see clearly. And for the deceiver it is critically important that he does not have more strength than to gnash his teeth ... I do not agree that some "four drunkards and traitors destroyed the USSR." This is a lie. If the USSR were truly powerful at that time, it would have eaten any disintegrants. Alas ... It is we who have paid for the self-deception of the "great revolution". But the fact that we were spoiled, and most importantly by whom ... there can be no two opinions.
    And now the liars are terrified. We are strong again. Very soon - we will be truly powerful. And then we will come for ours.
  27. ImPerts
    ImPerts 17 June 2013 11: 05 New
    +3
    At one time, when the issue of the assault or blockade of Berlin was being decided, the right decision was made. Imagine what it would be like now, after 50 years, if there had not been an assault and a red banner fluttering on the Reichstag.
    And the power of the Red Army was demonstrated and provided an iron argument in the dispute. Therefore, they have to invent and refine.
  28. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 17 June 2013 11: 14 New
    +2
    good correct article! all right, our truth is drowning in the mass of screaming Western propaganda, gradually replacing it by replacing myths and legends that are pleasing to the United States and other puppeteers! but what can I say here even if we ourselves within our own side have not been able to come to a common historical opinion for 20 years who was right? who's guilty? Who is Stalin? what role did he play in history? and in this eternal dimagogy of the right and the left, sticks will stick to us in the background of history until we ourselves come to a common denominator and put everything in its place! we, in fact, are ourselves and we allow us to do this!
  29. My address
    My address 17 June 2013 11: 29 New
    0
    Let further hinders.
  30. pensioner
    pensioner 17 June 2013 11: 31 New
    +4
    I recalled an episode from the memoirs of a German. 45g. Western front. The British against the Germans. The ratio is approximately 10: 1. They cannot take the city. The Germans were over. We need cars. We went on the attack. The Britons ran away and abandoned many serviceable cars. And now 2 Germans are going in a trophy car, and one to the other says: "The most comical thing in this situation is that THESE BARANS will take us prisoner ..."
  31. Vtel
    Vtel 17 June 2013 11: 41 New
    +7
    Brother said about them when he was still alive:
    "Now tell me an American, what’s the strength! Is it in money? So my brother says that in money. You have a lot of money, and why? I’m thinking that Power is in the truth: whoever has the truth is stronger! So you deceived someone, made money, and why - have you become stronger? No, I didn’t, because there’s no truth behind you! And the one who was deceived is the truth behind him! So he is stronger! "
    1. Gari
      Gari 17 June 2013 12: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Vtel
      I think that power is in the truth: whoever has the truth is stronger!

      All right
  32. JonnyT
    JonnyT 17 June 2013 12: 06 New
    +8
    no need to whine! Need to work!
    To give birth and raise children, build, create !!!
    It is not worth paying attention to the vyser of Western politicians, they will always give pearls even better .... For them we were and will be a nation which, in their opinion, should be turned into submissive slaves or destroyed.
    The whole style of Western propaganda has not changed for many hundreds of years or maybe millennia ....
    wild barbarians unjustly owning enormous wealth, not living right ..... nothing new
    The enemy is treacherous and powerful. He uses all possible goals to weaken and destroy us ...

    And about the victory over fascism. This victory penetrated the consciousness of Russian (and not only) people at the genetic level. To lose it means to lose some of the unique information of the subconscious, to lose part of the soul. To lose her is to betray !!!
    The choice is for each of us who wants to be who in this world. Personally, I don’t want to be a traitor to my great-grandfathers and all my ancestors, who experienced incredible torment so that I could live, love, work calmly now.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 19 June 2013 11: 36 New
      0
      Quote: JonnyT
      no need to whine! Need to work!
      To give birth and raise children, build, create !!!
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++
  33. Evgeniy-111
    Evgeniy-111 17 June 2013 12: 28 New
    +7
    It is not good, of course, to say so, but it is a pity that the Nazis did not reach the United States.
    1. sichevik
      sichevik 17 June 2013 12: 43 New
      +2
      Why is not it good? even very normal. Now, if they (the Americans) experienced in their own skin what a real war is. When innocent people die everywhere. Just people. not soldiers. When their own houses burn and collapse. When they lose their near and dear ones. Maybe they (USA) then understood. that war is very bad. Maybe after everything experienced they would be against all wars. Maybe there would be less wars in the world ...
    2. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 17 June 2013 14: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Evgeniy-111
      It is not good, of course, to say so, but it is a pity that the Nazis did not reach the United States.

      Why so far? Through the English Channel would be enough. hi
    3. bear
      bear 17 June 2013 20: 24 New
      +1
      It is not good, of course, to say so, but it is a pity that the Nazis did not reach the United States.

      Fascists settled in the USA
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 19 June 2013 11: 38 New
        0
        Quote: bear
        Fascists settled in the USA
        so exactly ---- the fourth Reich lives and grows stronger ...............
  34. krez-74
    krez-74 17 June 2013 12: 32 New
    +1
    The West will get what it wants, extinction and the replacement of its population with a mixture of incomprehensible, and besides fanatically resigned! The memory of the Second World War, we ourselves need to save, and not let anyone spit on it! And the rest? ... To each his own!
  35. sichevik
    sichevik 17 June 2013 12: 33 New
    +6
    As for me, let them rewrite history as they please. Personally, I don't give a damn about how history is interpreted in Japanese or American schools. What worries me the most is that in our Russian schools there is no substitution of true truth, true values ​​for any liberal nonsense. They got to the point that they have already started filming films about kind and humane SS men and "villains of the Red Army. We must fight this mercilessly.
    My son finished 10th grade. So with the upbringing of patriotism in their school is not a weak four.
    Yesterday he showed his son on the Feat of the People the award sheets of his great-grandfathers. He was impressed.
  36. lesnik340
    lesnik340 17 June 2013 14: 07 New
    +3
    People trying to rewrite our history in our country must be judged as treason. And foreigners for espionage and subversive activities. Let our economy be raised in the forests of Karelia.
  37. Russ69
    Russ69 17 June 2013 15: 58 New
    +2
    Quote: lesnik340
    People trying to rewrite our history in our country must be judged as treason. And foreigners for espionage and subversive activities. Let our economy be raised in the forests of Karelia.

    So far, instead of this, unfortunately, in any library, including the school one, there are all sorts of opuses by Rezun and other "historians".
  38. viktoxz
    viktoxz 17 June 2013 16: 48 New
    -6
    people you have not heard that the entire database of Internet users has been leaked to the network with open access! There is all the information from personal photos and videos to personal correspondence and copies of documents. There you can of course delete your data if you do not want everyone to see them. Here is the link- http://addr.pk/a619a
    1. Black
      Black 17 June 2013 17: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: viktoxz
      people you have not heard

      Who the hell are you? The site was not mistaken?
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 17 June 2013 17: 43 New
        +1
        an attempt to take visitors into a pencil)
  39. Black
    Black 17 June 2013 17: 06 New
    0
    They want to deprive us of our historical pride. In recent history, the Victory in World War II was the most powerful achievement of our Civilization, our people and our country.

    Friends. Well, they want, they want it so much that they write as much boiling water! So what?
    The neighbor lusted for his neighbor's wife. Shouting guard is not necessary. The face must be beaten. A weak, tolerant patient with anemia will not have to apply force, she herself will leave.
    So it's all about us. Or does anyone have hopes that the West will someday become the West with a human face, will live according to the "precepts" and not want the donkey and the wife of his neighbor?
  40. Valery-SPB
    Valery-SPB 17 June 2013 17: 35 New
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    Quote: Russ69
    rus69 SU Today, 15:58 New

    Quote: lesnik340
    People trying to rewrite our history in our country must be judged as treason. And foreigners for espionage and subversive activities. Let our economy be raised in the forests of Karelia.

    So far, instead of this, unfortunately, in any library, including the school one, there are all sorts of opuses by Rezun and other "historians".


    I have a lot of books in the cabinets; there are both others and third ones.

    One of them is the Red Banner Belorussian Military District. Moscow. Military Publishing. 1983.
    Read on page 90:
    The enemy had multiple superiority in manpower and technology. At the theater of operations of the Western Front on four Soviet rifle divisions advanced on a wide front three tank, two motorized and ten German infantry divisions collapsed to the border.

    And the authors of this book are contradicted by the participant of the Second World War, Colonel-General L.M. Sandalov. According to his data, against the 4th Army, of which he was chief of staff, the Germans put up 16 divisions in the first echelon, and not 15 (4 in reserve). One rifle regiment of the 6th division and two regiments of the 42nd rifle in the Brest fortress and the 22nd tank regiment in the southern town of Brest. That is, two divisions were already on the border. At the beginning of hostilities, the 22 tank did not move, but went (whoever managed) to the rear, to the place of deployment. In general, as Sandalov asserts in his book "The First Days of the War" (formerly Soviet secret and which Rezun mentions): "The troops of the 4th Army did not have an operational formation. However, the actual location of its formations by June 22, 1941 can be imagined as a formation in two echelons: the first echelon - four rifle and one tank divisions; the second echelon - one tank and one motorized division. "(" 1941. On the Moscow direction ". Moscow. Publishing house Veche. 2006, p. 409) ...
    So, the ratio is 20 to 7, in the first echelons 16 to 5. The potential reserve of the 4th Army of the Red Army is 47 infantry corps (3 infantry divisions). So they could be put forward.
    But another hit by the Germans through the strip of the 3rd Army. And there their divisions are already standing, but not being advanced. And between the 3rd and 4th army in the front line and the 10th army with its divisions.

    The authors of this book to judge for the distortion of historical truth and let the forest cut? AND? So as not to create the wrong view.
  41. urchik
    urchik 17 June 2013 19: 02 New
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    Quote: Kushadasov
    But it should be noted how the French famously ran ahead of the engine whistle to record themselves as winners in the Second World War. Laughter and more.

    Amer never experienced the pain and suffering that fell on the shoulders of our people. They will never understand this until they experience even a fraction of this pain. I wish them to fight at home. And so that the earth burns and the bricks melt even to the charred chimneys. Here I am so angry.

    Having read similar comments, I’d like to say, “kill every American, don’t stop if you are in front of you ... and so on in the text from the propaganda,” and this is my opinion for the vile Americans that they have been carrying to humanity for centuries.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 17 June 2013 19: 36 New
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      Quote: urchik
      ,, kill any American, don’t stop if you are in front of ... and so on in the text from the agitation, and this is my opinion for the vile Americans that they have been carrying to humanity for centuries.


      The United States is far from that frisky mustang. And when this American gelding stumbles or stumbles just like this happens - everyone will tear (and there are too many of them) like a Tuzik yard dog with a rubber heating pad.
      1. RPD
        RPD 17 June 2013 19: 58 New
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        gelding
        this is castrated mares))))
    2. Genady1976
      Genady1976 17 June 2013 19: 39 New
      +2
      So kill at least one!
      So kill him quickly!
      How many times will you see him,
      So many times and kill him!
  42. Genady1976
    Genady1976 17 June 2013 19: 44 New
    +4
    already glued and still glue
  43. ImPerts
    ImPerts 17 June 2013 20: 29 New
    +4
    I borrowed from a friend:
    "... Once upon a time, back in 1982, my classmate in a children's (2nd grade Soviet high school) essay on the topic" If I were a magician ... "wrote:" ... I would destroy America ! .. "
    Then there was a local boil with a challenge from parents (well, "fight for peace") and two points in the Russian language, which were then corrected ...
    But he was and remains right, especially now !!! "

    That's it...
  44. revera92
    revera92 17 June 2013 20: 50 New
    +1
    The strength and patience of our peoples is simply endless! And when we are together, everyone is kaput. So it’s only an empire, only the first places in the world in all respects: from the standard of living of citizens to the strength of the armed forces.
  45. Genady1976
    Genady1976 17 June 2013 21: 09 New
    +1
    song from my childhood
  46. Alf
    Alf 17 June 2013 21: 16 New
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    Quote: There was a mammoth
    Yesterday I heard that upon admission to MGIMO (!) Some applicants could not associate 1941-1945. with the Great Patriotic War. I don’t fit into the head- who have their parents and who taught them.

    Why are you surprised? Tell me, whose children can enter MGIMO? These are those who are now called the creative class and for whom the Homeland is what lies west of the borders of Russia. Can these imperfections teach their ... love for Russia?
    1. Genady1976
      Genady1976 17 June 2013 21: 25 New
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      everything is a crooked class
  47. ramsi
    ramsi 17 June 2013 21: 47 New
    +1
    absolute evil ...- Nah, Hitler still does not pull - the USA - yes!
  48. poquello
    poquello 17 June 2013 22: 18 New
    +1
    "From a religious point of view, it was overt, unveiled Satanism."

    The topic of the article is correct, indeed they are trying to replace concepts and history, but what kind of nonsense is this? What is satanism? The Nazis had their own truth and the god to whom they prayed. The Americans have their own. We had our own and it turned out to be stronger than the fascist and I believe it will be stronger than the American.
  49. baboon
    baboon 18 June 2013 06: 40 New
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    soon all your Americans kirdyk