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Training the United States Air Force on the minimum take-off interval for the B-52

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About a year ago, in ru-aviation, one of the following videos about training the US Air Force at the minimum take-off interval for B-52 and KC-135. The aim is to lift into the air from the airbase all the bombers and tankers as soon as possible (no more than 15 minutes) before they could cover the warhead from a Soviet submarine which they found, say, off the coast of California (I cite such an example his book one of the directors of Skunk Works Ben Rich). For B-52, the interval between take-offs is 12 seconds, for KC-135 - 15 seconds. Such a short time between takeoffs leads to the aircraft getting into the satellite track from the previous one and can lead to a catastrophe (which happened more than once). A large amount of soot in the exhaust of engines (see illustration) is explained by the fact that during such exercises, water is injected into engines as quickly as possible, which, on the one hand, leads to an increase in thrust, and on the other, to incomplete combustion of kerosene, and a consequence - to the formation of fine carbon.

Some very interesting videos of such trainings:

Apparently the middle of the 80-x, appreciate the fact that the aircraft really fit into the 12-15 second interval





The current time, 2009 year, all the more lazy and imposing (the interval is increased at least 2-3 times), maybe no one really expects that in the US someone will be able to pull something that will have time to fly to the center of the continent for 15 minutes

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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 17 June 2013 07: 26 New
    +5
    Impressive. good
  2. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 17 June 2013 07: 33 New
    +3
    Well, their runways are very good at envy! And we had such trainings back in the 80 years. In the GSVG
    on the runway on 3 the MiG-23 pair was lining up. And they took off at the oncoming courses.
    1. cartridge
      cartridge 17 June 2013 08: 23 New
      +5
      They have very good runways for envy!


      I see you are a runway specialist ... Please explain with specific examples to me, ignorant, on what positions should we envy their runway? But only on the example of specific numbers and indicators.
      Personally, I did not see anything there that would not be at our airfields. But I am not an engineer for the construction of roads and airfields. I could be wrong. And you, if you make such statements, are clearly a big special.
      Lift my eyelids: I do not see! (with)
      1. cartridge
        cartridge 17 June 2013 09: 26 New
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        When demagogues have nothing to answer a specific question, then cons are used!
        And what will comrade a.hamster55 tell us about this? wink
        1. Muxalet
          Muxalet 17 June 2013 09: 37 New
          +1
          For example, their GDP is longer, wider, and the coverage is smoother with an increased coefficient of friction ... Is this not enough? + The best (more modern) navigation equipment and where does the demagogy go?
          The man expressed his idea ... it is immediately necessary to build a smart guy from himself?
          1. aviamed90
            aviamed90 17 June 2013 10: 04 New
            +5
            Muxalet

            I dare to object to the length of the runway. We have no worse! It is enough to rummage in AI Collections.

            The quality of the runway and KSC.
            You probably meant the new technology for laying concrete? So what? Doesn’t we have this? Let me give you an example: 2nd strip on aer. Engels-2 (Air Force), Saratov Airport (GA). And I do not mean the reconstruction of the strip, but the full cycle of construction.

            And about the RTS (or "navigation equipment" as you put it), you are definitely wrong.
            I myself work at an international airport (before that at the Air Force). What is the equipment that we don’t have?

            And the video - well. Looks beautiful. And, indeed, on takeoff it smokes as if it were knocked out!
            1. Muxalet
              Muxalet 17 June 2013 22: 06 New
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              Praise is my little lip ... :) This is our "for example" and they have it the norm!
            2. Muxalet
              Muxalet 17 June 2013 22: 14 New
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              "The equipment we don't have much." We go in for landing and we (at least until 2001) were led by the RP (flight leader) for landing, and 50 percent of the success of the glide path and touching the GDP depended on his guidance. It is now in the cockpit - green, glis.norm, yellow - you need to adjust the descent, red - for the go-around ... is this equipment installed at all military airfields? Or do we all sit down with RP tips?
          2. cartridge
            cartridge 17 June 2013 13: 12 New
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            Muxalet Today, 09: 37
            For example, their GDP is longer, wider, and the coverage is smoother with an increased coefficient of friction ...


            I am not an engineer for the construction of roads and airfields. But I asked about the runway - runways. And as you can see, you heard a ringing, but did not understand where it is.
            From your confused and scanty story about GDP - gross domestic product or Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, I really didn’t understand anything and did not recognize.
            I still ask you to calm down, gather your thoughts and explain to me, ignorant, what you specifically meant and that the US GDP is longer, wider and more even, with a higher coefficient of friction. wink
            And how are things going with us?
            In general, if you are special, then explain as a professional moments that interest me.
            And then somehow you are unconvincing and ambiguous.
            1. Muxalet
              Muxalet 17 June 2013 22: 27 New
              +1
              I agree GDP is not a runway :) I’m sorry ..! Smoother coverage means less cracks, chips, potholes. A wider runway means that it is wider, 4 fighters can take off at the same time. Friction coefficient (gear ratio of landing gear wheels and runway) -It depends on my stopping distance when landing. therefore, I can relax and not rub the plane to the start of the runway and in the event of a miss (flight) of 100-150m. no need to go to 2 circle.
              1. cartridge
                cartridge 18 June 2013 00: 16 New
                0
                I get it. Thank. +!
  3. Orchestrarant
    Orchestrarant 17 June 2013 07: 38 New
    -2
    In the photo are not planes, but smokehouses with wings! laughing
  4. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 17 June 2013 07: 44 New
    +1
    So the devices are possibly older than you in age! And smoked, so this is the take-off mode and not all keras burns.
    1. Orchestrarant
      Orchestrarant 17 June 2013 07: 54 New
      -1
      Anyway, it's cool, in these planes all the pilots have already become blacks! lol
  5. Averias
    Averias 17 June 2013 08: 20 New
    +2
    And yet, there is this:

    1. Orchestrarant
      Orchestrarant 17 June 2013 08: 41 New
      -1
      And these are not planes at all, but the Gorynychi Snakes! smile
      1. Orchestrarant
        Orchestrarant 18 June 2013 19: 06 New
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        Some of you are all like my general: without a sense of humor! SORRY! Relax - this is not an army! Stay alert to the joke! laughing
    2. OLDTODD
      OLDTODD 17 June 2013 10: 21 New
      +1
      cool video - respect and respect !!! hi
  6. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 17 June 2013 08: 40 New
    +3
    And when you inspect the strip before starting flights, count the number of chips, cracks and not patched
    seams and make sure.
  7. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 17 June 2013 09: 39 New
    +1
    And I’m fluffy and didn’t minus anyone! A runway - already tortured cracked slabs to change one by one!
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 17 June 2013 10: 09 New
      +2
      a.hamster55

      Believe me, not everywhere as you say.
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  9. Muxalet
    Muxalet 17 June 2013 09: 47 New
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    This is if you plan everything in advance ... But how really? What, all the crews, all the time sitting with the engines running in the taxi? and wait for someone to yap at Ya.O.?
    Rather, window dressing for a kind of book of military records ... it does not fit in with reality.
    1. Atrix
      17 June 2013 10: 26 New
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      Quote: Muxalet
      This is if you plan everything in advance ... But how really? What, all the crews, all the time sitting with the engines running in the taxi? and wait for someone to yap at Ya.O.?
      Rather, window dressing for a kind of book of military records ... it does not fit in with reality.

      What do you mean pre-planned? This is actually, at least in 15 minutes should have been within the times of the USSR. Watch the last video, more than one aircraft is not with the engines on and on the taxiway, and the crews are not in the aircraft, but arrives in cars from the barracks. There is no window dressing; this is the reality of past years.
      1. Atrix
        17 June 2013 15: 59 New
        +1
        I don't care, in principle, for "-" but the one who put at least write what you didn't like?) Or are you one of those "pseudo patriots", what if someone wrote something positive about the United States then "----" winked
        1. Muxalet
          Muxalet 17 June 2013 22: 39 New
          +1
          I agree that who puts - from under the silence without arguing. it’s just kitschitsya and an overestimated opinion of yourself .. Yes, and the idea + and- I don’t like it, any person can reason and I can agree with his opinion it should be + or not. it should be 0 but not a minus ... How many crazy ideas (in the past) have they brought to life?! I WILL SAY MORE ... PEOPLE WHO GOUGLET THE INTERNET KNOW THE MATCH MORE THAN I AM 10 YEARS OLD MILITARY EXPERIENCE !! Judging by the standards of 2002 when when wrote off ... you can’t keep track of all the news ...
      2. Muxalet
        Muxalet 17 June 2013 22: 04 New
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        This is not a reality of past years .. there is a duty unit or let the squadron, but all the planes on duty and crews can not even in peacetime ... even if it’s military, readiness number 1 (who flew will understand) the entire regiment is cocked, how much is can it last? And then .... again the duty link or squadron ...... I'm not talking about that .. the sight of the takeoff of the entire regiment or wing is an impressive thing. But it is more propaganda, because we could also, if we knew when to start !!
        1. Atrix
          17 June 2013 22: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: Muxalet
          This is not a reality of past years .. there is a duty unit or let the squadron, but all the planes on duty and crews can not even in peacetime ... even if it’s military, readiness number 1 (who flew will understand) the entire regiment is cocked, how much is can it last? And then .... again the duty link or squadron ...... I'm not talking about that .. the sight of the takeoff of the entire regiment or wing is an impressive thing. But it is more propaganda, because we could also, if we knew when to start !!

          Let’s say so, as you put it, the planes are refueled and armed, the pilots are in the barracks and, upon alarm, they rise into the air in 15 minutes and must leave the base. Is it the same thing that firefighters should arrive in 5 minutes or do you think all firefighters are tense and do not sleep on duty? Or quick response companies? This is not a kindergarten, this is an army and the time was extremely serious. Yes, and you yourself correctly pointed out that the quick response link, I did not see in the article where all the B-52 planes rise into the air. Or I just don’t understand you. Yes, what kind of propaganda and for whom the roles that were shot are 60-80 years when no one would have seen in the USSR.
          And someone said that we couldn’t fly like that? Maybe the USSR also had such a training program.
  10. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 17 June 2013 09: 48 New
    +1
    Usually: - 1 on the runway; - 1 in front of the runway; - And 1 drives to the runway. And takeoff in pairs slightly speeds up this process.
  11. Mizhgan
    Mizhgan 17 June 2013 10: 03 New
    +2
    Take off correctly, taking into account the wind, and the first run along the strip and the separation is the earliest, the second run is longer, the third is even longer .... etc. Thus, satellites are avoided ... Well, the smoke trail, an excellent reference point for satellites ... Nothing supernatural.
  12. Vtel
    Vtel 17 June 2013 10: 17 New
    0
    They will fly up, only where they will land, if a missile flurry begins, the rocket doesn’t fly alone, but with the whole flock, and the air traffic controllers will rejoin them in echelons, they will fly into some skyscraper again.
    1. Atrix
      17 June 2013 10: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Vtel
      They will fly up, only where they will land, if a missile flurry begins, the rocket doesn’t fly alone, but with the whole flock, and the air traffic controllers will rejoin them in echelons, they will fly into some skyscraper again.

      In cases of a real combat situation, they will have one task to get to the launch of cruise missiles, and there I think there are alternate airfields that can survive in cases of nuclear war, well, or jump to the extreme winked
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 18 June 2013 09: 49 New
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      THEN THE PLANES WILL TAKE OFF, AND WHEREAW TO GET TO THE GROUND SERVICES? WILL MEET GUESTS? AND HOW DOES AIRCRAFT FLIGHT MANAGEMENT OR EACH CREW ALREADY HAVE GOALS ON THE EARTH? B-52, in my opinion, these are airplanes for constant watch (patrolling) in the air, and not an air defense system interruption. AND IF THE REGULATION (AIR WING) WILL TAKE OFF IN THE FIRE MODE, THE PROBABLE OPPONENT WILL PROVIDE SUCH SITUATION AND TAKE CONTROLS TO PREVENT THIS SITUATION.
  13. aviamed90
    aviamed90 17 June 2013 10: 21 New
    +2
    Vtel

    Thank you for remembering the dispatchers.

    But by the time of landing, such in-kind (i.e. living) are not expected to be available at a broken-down airport.
  14. leon-iv
    leon-iv 17 June 2013 11: 45 New
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    By the way, I observed a similar aircraft with the A-50mi immediately took off 7 aircraft with a minimum interval.
  15. viktoxz
    viktoxz 17 June 2013 16: 51 New
    -4
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  16. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 17 June 2013 20: 14 New
    +1
    That's what I thought: what a sense of relief in the hearts of the pilots of the first bomber detached from the concrete, and what bench press the extreme crew feel (if this is taken to heart to take the legend of the teachings about the Voivode flying to visit)))
    1. Atrix
      17 June 2013 21: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Bashkaus
      That's what I thought: what a sense of relief in the hearts of the pilots of the first bomber detached from the concrete, and what bench press the extreme crew feel (if this is taken to heart to take the legend of the teachings about the Voivode flying to visit)))

      Yes, I think it’s not pleasant. Given that they already know that World War 3 began and in a couple of minutes their relatives will die and millions more recourse
      1. experienced
        experienced 17 June 2013 22: 13 New
        +1
        Question to Azerbaijanis and Armenians ????
        Who buys multibillion-dollar equipment for themselves for money, and who is free or on bad loans?
        Does anyone have the technology to move the country's territory to another point in the world?
        With whom can Russia build trade relations, and in whom is it forced to pump money?

        Simple questions, waiting for answers hi
        Regarding the supply of military equipment against loans that cannot be returned, imagine "-" from salary or pension
  17. Prosto vovochka
    Prosto vovochka 17 June 2013 22: 30 New
    +2
    Yes, everything is fine. The 84th year, the 813th IAP was raised by alarm and to Mary, 40 crews were a little more than 4 (four) minutes in the air. Yes, they took off in oncoming courses and taxied from caponiers. I did not see anything surprising. We at one time were better able than the Americans.
  18. Prosto vovochka
    Prosto vovochka 17 June 2013 22: 31 New
    +1
    Yes, I forgot to write. Airfield Altes Lager.
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  20. Russ69
    Russ69 18 June 2013 00: 48 New
    +1
    During the urgent 87 year, the same thing happened. The take-off of the Tu-16 one by one, one comes off, the other immediately accelerates. Only as far as I remember, it seems that it was not a regiment that immediately went up, but 1 squadron.
    Mig-23s standing at the airfield also took off in pairs, and so several pairs in a row.
  21. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 18 June 2013 07: 22 New
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    Dear Prosto Vovochka! Then you probably were in Zerbst?