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Ukraine has approved a plan for the modernization of the armed forces

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In the last days of May, 2013, the media reported that the Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers approved the plan for the most ambitious reform of the army in all the years of the independent state. The modernization program covers the period up to the 2017 of the year and costs more than 16,3 billions of dollars. The government intends to find such a large amount in the state treasury, and also to get some of the funds from the sale of military property, which is on the balance sheet of the Ministry of Defense. I must say that the majority of Ukrainian and Russian experts say that in this way Ukraine will be able to raise funds, which will be enough to form only a small army.

Recall, after the Soviet Union ceased to exist, the newly created Ukrainian state got the armed forces, whose numbers reached 700 thousand people. In addition, the strategic nuclear forces located on Ukrainian territory contained 176 ballistic intercontinental missiles, and more than 2,5 thousands of nuclear tactical weapons. However, over time, all of these nuclear weapons were transported to Russia.

Many Ukrainian officials say that the government will be able to find the necessary funds for the modernization of the armed forces, even though at the present time for the sale of property is not an entirely favorable time. So, according to V. Kolesnichenko, the authorities are looking for additional sources of funding. However, he noted that the above amount (that is, more than 16 billion dollars) is assumed not for one year. Therefore, the politician said, if in the next few years the Ukrainian economy starts to develop, the necessary money for the defense complex will be found. In addition, Kolesnichenko noted that the department can get rid of military property, including equipment and land, which are not used MO. To this end, over the next few years it is planned to conduct an inventory and preparation of this property. First of all, according to the politician, there will be put up for sale plots that are more attractive in terms of investment, in particular, we are talking about plots in the Crimea. But military property will not be sold at a minimal cost just to get rid of it. President simply will not allow such, Kolesnichenko said.

At the same time, the deputy expressed his dissatisfaction with the situation that has now developed on navy. According to him, the fleet of the Ukrainian army has not been updated for many years. True, this year border boats came into service, and this is only a drop in the bucket. But at present the country cannot maintain a combat-ready fleet that would even remotely resemble the European or the same Turkish, because finances do not allow it. The only thing that can be done at present is to get a few corvettes and sell the rest.

It should be noted that Russia with a high degree of distrust reacted to such ambitious plans of the Ukrainian military department. As noted by the deputy director of the Institute of Military and Political Analysis, Alexander Khramchikhin, at the moment it can be said that the Ukrainian army does not exist as such. At the same time, he notes that this situation even simplifies the task of the Kiev generals, since it will be much easier to create armed forces from scratch, but it will require much more money than 16 billions of dollars. However, as the expert said, with this money you can create a small army, which is quite acceptable for Ukraine, but the problem is that such an amount cannot be found.

Khramchikhin also expressed doubt that the sale of military property and land would bring great profits, noting that Ukraine had been actively involved in this for over two decades, being one of the leading exporters of Soviet weapons and equipment. However, the amount of property sold is exactly the opposite of the amount of money received for it, then, as in the country, corruption is at a very high level.

According to the first vice-president of the Academy of geopolitical problems Konstantin Sivkov, the stated amount may well be enough to create a small full-fledged army, but such an army cannot become a real defense for the country. According to the expert, if the Ukrainian government wants to have armed forces that do not exceed one hundred thousand people, but at the same time have new modern weapons, this money may well be enough. However, if necessary, to protect state interests and the borders of such an army will simply not be able to. If the government aims to create an adequate army with a good percentage of modern weapons, then 16 billions will obviously not be enough.

Another important point of modernization is the abolition of conscription to the armed forces and the transition to a contractual basis. In addition, a significant reduction is planned - if at the moment there are about 185 thousand people in the Ukrainian army, then by the end of their modernization only 70 thousand should remain. Thus, the autumn call 2013 year will be the last, as stated by the head of state. According to him, after analyzing the latest global armed conflicts, the government came to the conclusion that victory can be achieved not due to the number of personnel, but due to the high level of training, professionalism and equipment. Therefore, the modernization of the army was conceived, the purpose of which is to review the tasks, structure and system of the country's armed forces.

We note, at present, one of the most pressing problems of the Ukrainian army is insufficient funding and, as a result, the lack of social guarantees and the low level of money support. All this leads to the fact that the morale of both officers and contract soldiers is at an extremely low level.

If we compare the armies that exist in the post-Soviet space, then only the Moldovan army has a more modest salary. Ukrainian officers receive as much per month as, for example, a contract soldier of the Kazakh armed forces receives. It makes no sense to compare the salaries of officers of the Ukrainian army and the European armed forces, because these amounts are very different.

It must be said that at the moment the government has not taken any significant steps to change the situation. So, for example, this year the military budget has left a little over two billion dollars. Therefore, to say that with such a contentment there is a chance to create a compact, but at the same time efficient army, is not worth it. However, as well as to assert that the army, in which the place of recruits will be taken by soldiers who have expressed a desire to replenish its ranks, has the right to be called a professional ...

A contract army is one in which the level of combat training is at a higher level. And if in the near future the government does not pay attention to the need to finance the military department and does not take certain steps in this direction, then the whole modernization will be a waste of time and money. According to experts, to create an army of the European level you need at least 20 billion of hryvnia funding per year. In addition, it is necessary to make maximum use of the export capabilities of the defense complex, to introduce new technologies in the army, to create national rearmament programs with permanent funding.

In addition, it is necessary that the pace of rearmament be much higher. And with such a budget that exists at the present time, one can only count on maintaining the army in a state of modernization and repair of equipment. True, in recent times, several models of new modern weapons and equipment have been received by the Ukrainian army, in particular, the Malakhit radar station, the Mi-24PU1 helicopter, the Bars-S system, the BTR-70I and BTR-4E armored personnel carriers, and work continues on programs for the construction of corvettes, tactical missile complex "Sapsan". Work was carried out to restore the order of 8,5 thousands of samples of equipment, after repair more than three dozen aircraft returned to service, about 10 ships.

Experts say that in addition to the desire to modernize the armed forces and reach the European level, the Ukrainian government has several other goals. In addition to the need to reduce the army due to the country's lack of external enemies and the lack of money for its maintenance, there is also the so-called unofficial goal. As you know, troops are an instrument of violence, even if they are enclosed in a certain legal framework. If we analyze the situation that is developing from year to year in the country, it becomes clear that in order to maintain power, the government must minimize the number of people who have access to weapons.

If we talk about ordinary Ukrainians, many of them, unfortunately, believe that military service is a waste of time. In addition, more than 72 percent are confident that an increase in the defense budget will in no way be able to affect the improvement of the state of the Ukrainian armed forces. 14 believes in this percentage of the population. Approximately 68 percent of Ukrainians are confident that the army will not be able to protect the interests of the state and the people, if necessary. Thus, the government first of all needs to set the right priorities, to understand that modernization is not just a replacement of conscripts for contract soldiers. This is an increase in the level of combat training, social guarantees and a decent monetary allowance, as well as a sincere desire to achieve the goals set ...

Materials used:
http://www.vz.ru/world/2013/5/30/634832.html
http://news.mail.ru/politics/11216515/
http://myferstsite.ucoz.ua/publ/armija_ukrainy/sostojanie_armii/problemy_armii_ukrainy/3-1-0-4
http://vz.ru/politics/2012/12/6/610574.html
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  1. soldat1945
    soldat1945 19 June 2013 09: 18 New
    +9
    Despite everything that is happening in relations between ours and Ukraine, I always considered Ukrainians to be a pity that all of this is happening with Ukraine, which was blooming once, I hope all these problems will quickly push them into an orbit of closer relations with Russia and the joint military-industrial complex of Ukraine is still not completely destroyed large-scale contracts would greatly strengthen both the friendship and financial situation of both countries!
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 19 June 2013 09: 38 New
      +4
      to maintain power, the government needs to minimize the number of people who have access to weapons

      This is hardly a true statement, especially since there are a lot more cops and internal troops in Ukraine.

      The mess will begin if someone gives out to the citizens Kalash and grenade launchers from warehouses.
      1. cartridge
        cartridge 19 June 2013 09: 53 New
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        For the past two decades, Ukraine has been actively engaged in this, being one of the leading exporters of Soviet weapons and equipment. However, the amount of property sold is directly opposite to the amount of money received for it, then, as corruption in the country is at a very high level.


        And again, in Ukraine, nothing of the planned will fail!
        They switched to straw instead of gas, produced shale gas, built a liquid gas terminal, promised improvement, entered NATO, almost joined the European Union, won Kuchmism, switched to the same contract more than once, raised money for the corvette ....

        The output is always one result - ZIL!

        It will be the same this time!

        By the way, what's with the gold half-time?
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 19 June 2013 13: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: cartridge
          And again, in Ukraine, nothing of the planned will fail!
          They switched to straw instead of gas, produced shale gas, built a liquid gas terminal, promised improvement, entered NATO, almost joined the European Union, won Kuchmism, switched to the same contract more than once, raised money for the corvette ....

          The output is always one result - ZIL!

          It will be the same this time!

          By the way, what's with the gold half-time?


          Apparently the election is coming soon. There is such a sign of the people, if the authorities say something right and good, wait for the election.
      2. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 19 June 2013 14: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Nikolay S.
        The mess will begin if someone gives out to the citizens Kalash and grenade launchers from warehouses.


        do you think that they are lying there?
        information appeared in the media that the Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers approved the plan for the most ambitious army reform for all the years of the existence of an independent state

    2. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 19 June 2013 10: 20 New
      +2
      I’ll tell you more than that 35% of Russian army officers are Ukrainians and Belarusians. In a variety of positions. These are graduates of military schools from 1987-1992.
  2. Akim
    Akim 19 June 2013 09: 25 New
    +4
    Another important point of modernization is the abolition of conscription into the armed forces and the transition to a contractual basis. In addition, a significant reduction is planned - if at the moment there are about 185 thousand people in the Ukrainian army, then by the end of modernization there should be only 70 thousand.

    Valery! 115 thousand. Plans have already been announced for a month. As for money - not enough. I agree. But do not translate everything into dollars. Prices are different. In addition to gasoline - it is more expensive. A contractor will sign the contract and serves on a regional basis. This is of course a minus. But there "His pig, svіy town ..."
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  4. kirgudu
    kirgudu 19 June 2013 10: 14 New
    +2
    I wonder what money;) Management decided to sell their maybachi? : D
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 19 June 2013 13: 24 New
      +2
      They will be sued from the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, the Lighthouse - they will be sold. So, with the world on a thread.
  5. omsbon
    omsbon 19 June 2013 10: 16 New
    +3
    It is painful to see how ordinary people suffer because of the political ambitions of leaders. Reunification with Russia could solve many Ukrainian problems, but this is not necessary for the leading “elite”!
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 19 June 2013 13: 26 New
      +3
      Vaughn Lukoshenko also united with Russia, united. But there’s not much sense, although there is.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 19 June 2013 13: 57 New
        +2
        The Verkhovna Rada decided not to denounce the agreement on extending the term for basing the Russian Black Sea Fleet on Ukrainian territory. According to the newspaper Ukrainska Pravda, only 152 deputies voted for the denunciation of the document, with the necessary 226.
        According to the publication, deputies from the Communist Party of Ukraine, the ruling "Party of Regions" and several extra-faction deputies opposed the termination of the agreement.
        As previously reported, the scientific and expert management of the Verkhovna Rada opposed the denunciation of the Kharkov agreements. Analysts reviewed the bill and recommended rejecting it on first reading.
        In 2010, the deputy from the BYuT-Fatherland faction Vladimir Yavorivsky proposed to denounce the agreement. Both then and now, the Ukrainian opposition, which is mainly inclined towards integration with European countries, calls the “Kharkov agreements” treason. The discussion of the denunciation of the agreements was invariably accompanied by fights in the parliament. Http://www.bfm.ru/news/219684? Doctype = news
  6. Evgeniy46
    Evgeniy46 19 June 2013 10: 59 New
    +9
    Apparently, the next episode of the 20-year-old series "And we have in the open ..." begins
  7. ed1968
    ed1968 19 June 2013 11: 19 New
    +1
    well then look at the result of these ambitious promises
  8. Constantine
    Constantine 19 June 2013 11: 29 New
    +2
    For the past two decades, Ukraine has been actively engaged in this, being one of the leading exporters of Soviet weapons and equipment. However, the amount of property sold is directly opposite to the amount of money received for it, then, as corruption in the country is at a very high level.


    I remember when the idea flashed from us to drum the airborne BRDM from Ukraine, it cost something very modestly. And the information that the pirates seized the ship with armored personnel carriers, which was going from Ukraine to Africa, also had a place to be, and this is not an isolated case.

    It is very sad that, following the blame for obvious enemies, the Ukrainian leadership allowed the situation to exist, but they are trying to return it to the path of cooperation with the fraternal, and not, in fact, enemy peoples, constantly. The same swings with the EU and the TS are very revealing.

    In general, it is a pity and it is annoying that so, at the moment, it turns out (
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 19 June 2013 14: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Constantine
      I remember when the idea flashed from us to drum the airborne BRDM from Ukraine, it cost something very modestly.


      eight years ago in Kiev, in my opinion, a “penny” was sold for 80 hryvnias, that’s 000 dollars at the then exchange rate.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 19 June 2013 16: 18 New
        +1
        and for what minus?
        the armored car was sold here - the State Aviation Museum of Ukraine (Zhulyany), in 2005, why not? request

        some mute release minus signers ran what no argument, no opinion ...
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  10. Akim
    Akim 19 June 2013 12: 50 New
    +8
    Serial Ukrainian-Russian production of the medium-haul An-70 cargo plane will begin in two to three years.
    This was announced in Le Bourget to foreign journalists by the president and general designer of the Antonov state-owned enterprise Dmitry Kiva, Ukrinform’s own correspondent in France reports.
    "Ukraine began to build the first An-70 aircraft, we rolled out the first fuselage from the stocks, we have a state order for this aircraft and continue to work, together with the Russian customer (Ministry of Defense) we are completing the test. 70 flights remain. Therefore, I hope that in the next 2 “The aircraft will be launched in series for 3 years,” he said.
    According to Dmitry Kiva, the financing of the state-owned enterprise "Antonov" by the Ukrainian government is carried out properly. "There is an understanding of the importance of the program from the serial production of the An-70, we are supported as a government, as evidenced by the arrival of Prime Minister Mykola Azarov at the Le
    Bourges 2013 ", and the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine," he said.
    The general designer of the Antonov state enterprise also said that upon modernization the An-70 received a new registration certificate.
    “We substantially modernized it - both the aircraft and its equipment, power plant - were painted and registered again. But we did not change its name, because there is a state program,” he said.

    Tense up with the Ukrainian language:
    An-70 left the A-400M in W ...
  11. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 19 June 2013 13: 27 New
    +6
    In addition, they plan to significantly reduce them ... by the end of modernization, only 70 thousand should remain.
    Damn ... This is tin ... The Kazakh army will be more numerous than the Ukrainian ... Despite the fact that in the KZ - 17 million inhabitants, and in Ukraine - 50 million. In Kazakhstan, the armed forces (army + troops of other departments) - 100 thousand people, plus trained reservists (who did not serve in the army, but passed special collections).

    "Ukrainian officers receive as much per month as, for example, a contract soldier of the Kazakh armed forces receives."
    What the Kazakh ordinary contractor receives as senior officers of the Ukrainian army is, in my opinion, already a parable in languages. Just yesterday I met with a former officer of the Ukrainian army (ethnic Russian), who moved to Kazakhstan in the 90s to serve in the republic's air force. According to him, there is no sense in comparing the salaries of the Kazakh military with the Ukrainian - the difference is too great. And about the comparison of the state of our troops - he generally waved his hand, showing that there was nothing to talk about.

    I hope that at least the “stripped down” army, the Ukrainians will bring to normal combat readiness. Still, Ukraine is not a foreign country for us.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 19 June 2013 15: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Marek Rozny
      . The Kazakh army will be more numerous than the Ukrainian ... Despite the fact that in the KZ - 17 million inhabitants, and in Ukraine - 50 million

      We have 9 million and more than 100 thousand in the army, not including BB, PV, NG !!!
      slander!
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 19 June 2013 16: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: Yarbay
        We have 9 million and more than 100 thousand in the army, not including BB, PV, NG !!!

        Well, Duc, you are de facto at war.
  12. Avenger711
    Avenger711 19 June 2013 13: 31 New
    +1
    The sooner Ukraine ceases its unjustified existence, the better for everyone.
  13. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 19 June 2013 14: 35 New
    +4
    Nor will there be any modernization of the army. The main thing for the Minister of Defense of Lebedev is to squander the land of the Defense Ministry of Ukraine for his people on the cheap. In the budget, there is a hole, which is somehow blocked by loans abroad, and these loans are blocked by the following loans, etc. Ordinary civil servants in 2013 receive half as much as in 2012, namely about 150 dollars a month. So it is in the army.
  14. Genady1976
    Genady1976 19 June 2013 15: 54 New
    +4
    comment. Dmitry Ushakov
    Well done, wait for Robish Garne video!) I like it)
    good
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 19 June 2013 16: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: Genady1976
      Well done, wait for Robish Garne video!)


      yeah, even in the video you can see that the main tank of the Ukrainian army is the T-64.
    2. Evgeniy46
      Evgeniy46 19 June 2013 19: 46 New
      +1
      I understand that all the Ukrainian Air Force participated in the filming of the video?
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 19 June 2013 21: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Eugene46
        I understand that all the Ukrainian Air Force participated in the filming of the video?


        as I understand it, not all the frames in the video were shot in Ukraine.
        1. Dub4ik
          Dub4ik 20 June 2013 03: 01 New
          +2
          And they all joked together smile
  15. Slobozhanin
    Slobozhanin 19 June 2013 16: 12 New
    +2
    I do not know against whom, according to Russian experts, Ukraine was going to fight ... but 70000 trained people + border guards + the Ministry of Internal Affairs will be enough for defense. Regarding salaries ... now salaries in the army are gradually being raised by the branches of the armed forces and it is quite competitive in the labor market. Honestly, I do not believe in the draft army with 1 year of service. The only thing I would still leave is the training of reservists within 3 months of the usual KMB.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 19 June 2013 19: 15 New
      +1
      Yeah, the level of 7 million. Bulgaria. However, this is so characteristic of broad Ukrainians that they see any even the most negative news in rainbow colors.
  16. agbykov
    agbykov 19 June 2013 16: 23 New
    0
    "... if in the next few years the Ukrainian economy begins to develop, then the necessary money for the defense complex will be found"
    In order for the economy to start developing, it is necessary to join the CU.
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  17. agbykov
    agbykov 19 June 2013 16: 28 New
    +5
    As a branch dries up, breaking off the trunk, so Ukraine (Little Russia), breaking away from Russia, dries up.
  18. Slobozhanin
    Slobozhanin 19 June 2013 16: 34 New
    -1
    Quote: agbykov
    "... if in the next few years the Ukrainian economy begins to develop, then the necessary money for the defense complex will be found"
    In order for the economy to start developing, it is necessary to join the CU.

    For Ukraine to want to join there, we need easier conditions to create for the participants, otherwise Russia is pulling the blanket too hard and the slightest equality of the participants doesn’t work, we have enough gas bondage. And the fact that Russia is trying to drive its neighbors there does not cause a desire to get there.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 19 June 2013 18: 11 New
      +6
      Quote: Slobozhanin
      otherwise Russia is pulling the blanket too hard and the slightest equality of the participants doesn’t work out, we have enough gas bondage.


      But you can expand, what was the "gas bondage"?
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 19 June 2013 18: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: Karlsonn
        What was the "gas bondage"?

        Probably that at least part of the gas coming through the pipe was required to be transferred to Europe laughing Accept, pump and ... just give? Well, the toad presses ... lol
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 19 June 2013 19: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: Misantrop
          Probably that at least part of the gas coming through the pipe was required to be transferred to Europe. Accept, pump and ... just give it away? Well, the toad presses ...


          I’m kind of "not moving in" what is the bondage? request
          You can’t gas from a pipe?
          in price?
          thus, under Kuchma, they agreed on a great price, but in 2004 the “orange” came to power and terminated the contract themselves and entered into a new one, according to which gas was sold to Ukraine at a much higher price.

          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 19 June 2013 23: 57 New
            0
            Quote: Karlsonn
            in 2004, the "orange" came to power and themselves terminated the contract and entered into a new one, according to which gas was sold to Ukraine at a much higher price.

            There is one subtlety. The fact is that a certain percentage of payment from each purchase of a consignment of gas goes to the one who signed the contract (i.e., a signer from Kuchma). And from the current contract, respectively - Tymoshenko. Those. they were ABSOLUTELY DOG the gas price for the country, they wanted a share of the trade ... request

            And to be honest, it’s even strange that Yanukovych and Azarov did not repeat this trick. Apparently, the price of gas when re-signing the contract is already sky-high ...
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 20 June 2013 02: 53 New
              0
              Quote: Misantrop
              There is one subtlety. The fact is that a certain percentage of payment from each purchase of a gas consignment goes to the one who signed the contract (i.e. to the signatory from Kuchma)


              so the agreement was concluded not by a representative of a citizen of Kuchma, but by a representative of the government of Ukraine ...
              what although there were still intermediaries, hmm ...
        2. Orty
          Orty 19 June 2013 21: 08 New
          +1
          Well, not just like that, there is a transit fee.
    2. Orty
      Orty 19 June 2013 21: 24 New
      +2
      Darling, bondage in your head and nothing more. If you (Ukraine) use gas and do not pay for deliveries, then this is not bondage. This is a violation of their obligations and theft burdened by the corruption component (without officials, such a trick just can not be cranked up). Increased gas prices, this is nonsense of your government, which cares not about the interests of the Ukrainians, but about itself and its overseas owners. If you are sorry to show us your sirloin in international relations, why forgive us to lower the price? You are not an ally, not a partner, not a friendly state, you are not even neutral. So what are you waiting for? Nevertheless, a hand of friendship has been extended to you, joining the CU will positively affect your economy, energy prices will open, the markets of the CU countries will open, and this is almost 180 million people. And what is the answer? FTA? Those. you open your markets to EU goods, but they are not for you. This will finish off your entire industry and agriculture, and you will turn into Bulgaria, even worse, at least some kind of subsidies from the EU budget go, but you are not in the EU, so sorry for the cookie. Well, or a loan, one more. Oh yes, and visas, many of yours are eager to go there because of visas, so don’t hope that if the Bulgarians were still not allowed to go to Schengen, then what can you count on? I bet that Russia will get a visa-free regime with Europe faster than you.
    3. agbykov
      agbykov 21 June 2013 14: 25 New
      0
      Read and analyze the data of professional economists, including the proposals of the Ministry of Economic Development of Ukraine, with figures and facts:
      http://2000.net.ua/2000/derzhava/ekonomika/91572
      http://2000.net.ua/2000/forum/sosedi/87361
      http://2000.net.ua/2000/derzhava/resursy/78706
      http://2000.net.ua/2000/derzhava/ekonomika/74757
      http://2000.net.ua/2000/derzhava/ekonomika/75309
  19. Slobozhanin
    Slobozhanin 19 June 2013 16: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: Karlsonn
    Quote: Genady1976
    Well done, wait for Robish Garne video!)


    yeah, even in the video you can see that the main tank of the Ukrainian army is the T-64.

    So what?
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 19 June 2013 18: 09 New
      +5
      Quote: Slobozhanin
      So what?

      Well, reality is far from this video.

      Quote: Slobozhanin
      but 70000 trained people + border guards + the Ministry of Internal Affairs will be enough for defense.


      real questions arise here, as with Romania, and the strong dictates the will — there is no strong army — a gaplik.

      Quote: Slobozhanin
      Now salaries in the army are gradually being raised by combat arms and it is quite competitive in the labor market.


      Where? when? and to whom? Comrade tell you the fate of the base on Pervomaisky Island? or how much is the lieutenant getting in the Ukrainian army now?
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 19 June 2013 18: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: Karlsonn
        or how much is the lieutenant getting in the Ukrainian army now?
        This is just not even the most important thing right now (albeit also critical). Here the principle of manning power structures is being driven into a stupor. I don’t climb into pieces of paper; all the same, truthful ones cannot be found among them. But here it is worth looking around and chatting with friends, optimism is knocking out tight. Simferopol is a small capital, but still a capital, so that general trends, albeit by the edge, are skipping. So, now if you meet the Ukrainian military, then with epaulets no more than major. But among women - either cadets, or from a major and higher. Moreover, most VERY reminiscent of the appearance and habits of the proteges of Serdyukov. Model appearance and ... empty eyes. Yes, in peacetime, is it not one hell that is lower than the waist, but in the event of an aggravation of the situation ... And not one I now notice this tendency
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 19 June 2013 19: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: Misantrop
          So, now if you meet the Ukrainian military, then with epaulets no more than major.


          this is worse at times:

          Krasnokutsky Sergey Valerievich, date of birth: 26.09.1978/2011/XNUMX, in August XNUMX by the decree of the president was awarded the rank of major general.

          in what battles this “commander” distinguished himself even to fear scary.
          1. Akim
            Akim 19 June 2013 22: 07 New
            +3
            Quote: Karlsonn
            Krasnokutsky Sergey Valerievich, date of birth: 26.09.1978/XNUMX/XNUMX,

            Read his biography. If he immediately took a lieutenant colonel post after uni, it is probably not so simple with him. So become at 33 years old Mr. / May. MIA is possible. It's just a careerist. My classmates also have scatter from the colonel to the captain.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 20 June 2013 00: 02 New
              0
              Quote: Akim
              My classmates also have scatter from the colonel to the captain.
              But the majors at 23-24 years old (and with a technical school behind them, and finished not perfectly and absolutely not in profile) have not yet come across? To me - more than once ... Despite the fact that there are practically no military departments left now ... With such growth by the age of 30-35, general epaulettes there are definitely not excluded
              1. Akim
                Akim 20 June 2013 00: 34 New
                +1
                Quote: Misantrop
                And the majors at 23-24 years old (and with a technical school behind them, and finished not perfectly and absolutely not in profile) have not yet come across?

                Everything happens in this life. They are not an indicator or authority for me. Just like Vladimir Litvin flew for one day to our peacekeepers, then back to Yugoslavia, and became captain of the reserve colonel and received the certificate of "Participant in hostilities" even under Chuchma.
                1. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 20 June 2013 00: 46 New
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                  Quote: Akim
                  Just like Vladimir Litvin flew for one day to our peacekeepers, then back to Yugoslavia, and became captain of the reserve colonel and received the certificate of "Participant in hostilities"

                  There have always been enough of them.
                  Worse is another. Not that there IS such, but that there are practically NO others. Those. now in the armed forces the "company-platoon" level is actually combat-ready. Even the battalion level is already a big question. Above - I'm already silent ...
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 20 June 2013 00: 57 New
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                    Quote: Misantrop
                    . now in the armed forces the "company-platoon" level is actually combat-ready. Even the battalion level is already a big question.

                    Well, I would not say that. Battalion / division exercises are often held. Once a year, brigade teams. All according to plan. And not for show. I wrote once. Those who check now on the contrary receive money and all sorts of + for what they find flaws. Glade is not enough.
                    As a DVPU in the 94th, a box of grenades disappeared. The commission arrived, throttled for three days, and the head of the school, Timchenko, remained in his chair.
            2. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 20 June 2013 02: 57 New
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              Quote: Akim
              If he immediately took a lieutenant colonel post after uni, it is probably not so simple with him. So become at 33 years old Mr. / May. MIA is possible. It's just a careerist.


              I know.


              Quote: Akim
              My classmates also have scatter from the colonel to the captain.


              with all due respect to them, I don’t think that your classmates shine with the shoulder straps of Major General at the age of 33, or 34 years old.
              1. Akim
                Akim 20 June 2013 03: 42 New
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                Quote: Karlsonn
                with all due respect to them, I don’t think that your classmates shine with the shoulder straps of Major General at the age of 33, or 34 years old.

                Already physically do not shine. They are 35 each. But one in 31 years received a regiment. True, the boy did not crawl out of peacekeeping missions.
                1. maxvet
                  maxvet 20 June 2013 17: 18 New
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                  means for the cause
  20. agbykov
    agbykov 19 June 2013 16: 40 New
    +2
    Ukraine in terms of mortality is in second place in the world - CIA
    http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/events/1571952-ukraina-po-urovnyu-smertnosti-na
    hoditsya-na-vtorom-meste-v-mire-cru
  21. Slobozhanin
    Slobozhanin 19 June 2013 16: 53 New
    +2
    Quote: agbykov
    Ukraine in terms of mortality is in second place in the world - CIA
    http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/events/1571952-ukraina-po-urovnyu-smertnosti-na

    hoditsya-na-vtorom-meste-v-mire-cru

    Well, what did you want. We are a country of pensioners and such statistics will be another 10 years. We have only since last year started to increase birth rates over mortality. Although ... as my teacher at the university said, there are 3 types of lies - not agreements, deceit, statistics. :)
    1. itkul
      itkul 19 June 2013 17: 46 New
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      Quote: Slobozhanin
      Since last year, we have seen an increase in the birth rate over mortality.


      Something does not look like growth, however, in Russia in our country

      http://countrymeters.info/ru/Ukraine/


      44-Current population
      20-Current male population (532%)
      24 104 290-Current female population (54.0%)
      202 118-Born this year
      330 — Died This Year
      -1 891-Net migration this year
      -130-Population Growth This Year
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 19 June 2013 19: 12 New
        +1
        Just in Russia, despite a demographic base similar to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, there is an increase in the birth rate, but not in Ukraine. As it is not in Bulgaria itself, which is not abroad and generally nowhere in Eastern Europe. In 2012, 2500 people were not enough in Russia. to achieve natural growth. In 2013, we may come to him.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 19 June 2013 20: 04 New
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          Quote: Avenger711
          Just in Russia, despite a demographic base similar to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, there is an increase in the birth rate, but not in Ukraine.


          where will it come from if in the same Russia from Ukraine tens of thousands go to earn money, and from Russia to Ukraine there are only odious journalists.
        2. Bronis
          Bronis 19 June 2013 20: 29 New
          +3
          Unfortunately, the current population growth (by birth rate) will end in the coming 5-7 years. "Gorbachev" children will begin to emerge from active childbearing age (then there was a boom in fertility). "Yeltsinsky" - much less, and they will not give birth to a child by 3,5. Accordingly, there will be another decline in the birth rate. Even without looking at the Caucasus. Increasing average life expectancy and migration is not so effective, and there are difficulties. Unfortunately, the problem does not have a quick, definitive solution. The demographic "Christmas tree" will be noticeable for decades, even if the demographic policy will bring positive results (while this is in question). Years through 25 it will become clear ...
          And Ukraine by demography is largely tracing the central regions of the Russian Federation (well, maybe only with the exception of labor migration). No matter how zapadentsy would like, our psychology and problems are very similar.
  22. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 19 June 2013 20: 08 New
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    Both in Russia and Ukraine there are many people who have a desire to reunite our countries. But I will quote the Ukrainian politician: he who does not regret the collapse of the USSR does not have a heart, he who thinks to recreate the Union does not have a head. We must live like good neighbors, to conduct mutually beneficial economic cooperation. The Ukrainian leadership decided to radically reorganize the Armed Forces not from a good life. To maintain a powerful, combat-ready army, a rich treasury is needed. We wish success to our neighbors in the reform of their army.
    1. Crang
      Crang 19 June 2013 22: 34 New
      -4
      We are one people Ivanovich. And they must be one country. Naher Kazakhstan. Fuck all sorts of Turkmenistan and Ossetia. Fuck Latvia, etc. But Russia, Ukraine and Belarus should be one state with a single center.
  23. Orty
    Orty 19 June 2013 21: 02 New
    +2
    I don’t believe that they will succeed, but at least crack, I don’t believe! I smell grandmothers, well, they will create a couple of trained court units and nothing more. The fact is that they still have the same power, all the same people, well, they just occupy other cells on the board. So they will act in the same way, through one place. If they already (almost) surrendered their country with an FTA for beads and buttons, then Ukraine should not wait for special feats on the basis of protecting the interests of the state. So the modernization will remain another rainbow, but not a fulfilled project.
  24. Lustrator
    Lustrator 19 June 2013 21: 58 New
    +2
    Better to motivate officials better, but they will reduce the number of deputies by 2/3, and then money will definitely be found.
    And if the dismissed bureaucrats are also shaken correctly and suddenly, then there will be enough for a million-strong army.
    The bureaucrats do not need a combat-ready army in Ukraine: their military interests protect the lives of their relatives.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 20 June 2013 03: 08 New
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      Quote: Lustrator
      Better to motivate officials better, but they will reduce the number of deputies by 2/3, and then money will definitely be found.


      I completely agree, if we take the salaries of the Duma deputies ($ 12 a year), plus the solution of their "housing problem", plus their lifelong pensions, then you look and you will not need to sell military equipment (but this is not about stockpile of footcloths in warehouses and not even about the sheer sanatoriums, but the vast territories of the earth and fixed assets).