Azerbaijani tanks T-90, SAU Msta-S, TOC-1A "Solntsek" and new BMP-3M.

Russian-Azerbaijani tank A contract for the supply of about 200 T-90S tanks has been successfully completed. This was recently announced in the Azerbaijani media the other day - the brand new T-90S tanks will participate in the parade of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan, which will be held on June 26 this year - in two weeks. Moreover, according to Azerbaijani sources, the 2C19 Msta-S self-propelled howitzers, TOS-1A Solntsepyok, new BMP-3M and many more will also take part in this parade. Thus, we should note the strengthening of relations between Russia and Azerbaijan in the field of military-technical cooperation, as well as the even stronger image of Russia as a reliable supplier of high-tech, high-quality weapons.

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[Edward72]

And when in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation they will deliver novies or, as always, according to the residual principle.

[Apollo]

Good morning everybody

TOS-1A "Sun" is a modification of the heavy flamethrower system "Pinocchio". It was developed in 2001. The main objective of the system is to support infantry and armored units.

The TOS-1 "Pinocchio" heavy flamethrower system is designed to destroy enemy manpower and lightly armored vehicles by using rockets with warheads of thermobaric, incendiary and other actions.

[Apollo]

3M infantry fighting vehicle

[DEfindER]

I looked a little disappointed about the BMP-3M, everything is very good in armament, but with the protection of the car, it’s not clear, firstly nothing is said about it, secondly for some reason the car’s body is copied from the American Bradley, earlier BMP-1 BMP-2 there was slanted armor, which at least somehow reduced the possibility of penetration, but this one had vertical, generally without a slope .. a strange decision by the designers. And there is no active defense, there would be at least an arena there to protect from grenade launchers.

[Rider]

Quote: DEfindER

About BMP-3M looked a little disappointed

Wiki claims that the forehead withstands a 30mm projectile from 300 meters. they also write about active armor and dynamic armor there.
(just type in BMP 3 search)

the only thing I didn’t understand, with such a small and low landing, was to carry infantry there.

[ayyildiz]

New tanks go to Baku

[Consul-t]

This would be Pinocchio in Syria would send Assad to help

[DEfindER]

Quote: Consul-t

This would be Pinocchio in Syria would send Assad to help

Yes, a terrible thing, he will get these rats even in holes, there will be a barbecue in Asadovsky!

[KoRSaR1]

On the pinocchio, the launch looked more interesting))) 2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-XNUMX and so the whole set.

[tronin.maxim]

Quote: Edward72

And when in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation they will deliver novies or, as always, according to the residual principle.

Stop crying, we will have the equipment, everything has its time!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: tronin.maxim

Stop crying, we will have the equipment, everything has its time!

T 90 will not be, as for the rest, we have been waiting for a long time.

[tronin.maxim]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

T 90 will not

It is understandable, we are waiting for the armature.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: tronin.maxim

It is understandable, we are waiting for the armature.

We will wait a very long time + the Ministry of Finance will possibly cut the military budget in 2014-2015 and when will it be?

[bask]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

We’ll wait a long time + the Ministry of Finance will possibly cut the military budget in 2014-2015 and when it will be

Good morning
I think that all these expectations are, “NOODLES,” of the authorities, so as not to purchase modern armored vehicles, into the RUSSIAN army.
One can envy that the authorities in Azerbaijan are SUCH A LEADER, not a cheap PR man !!!!

[Avenger711]

In fact, the T-90 entered the troops on the sly, until there were "clever men" who decided to upgrade something to the T-72. It's so much easier to report on the pieces that have been modernized.

[xetai9977]

By the way, Azerbaijan was delivered not standard T-90s, but equipped with additional DZ Contact-5 blocks next to the Shtora-1 complex

[KoRSaR1]

Ohh, you just don’t know what kind of "leader" Hitler is there, in terms of strangling his people, Ilham Aliyev is # 1 now, everything is so sweet and beautiful in Baku, but what is outside, no one is shown ...

[Yarbay]

Quote: KoRSaR1

Ohh, you just don’t know what kind of "leader" Hitler is there, in terms of strangling his people, Ilham Aliyev is # 1 now, everything is so sweet and beautiful in Baku, but what is outside, no one is shown ...

Well, why are you saying nonsense !!
Who is Aliev strangling ??
Thanks to Aliva, Azerbaijan has become a strong state and has not turned into Somalia!
Envy chokes you !!
But the slides of Ganja and Sumgait, what was and how today!



come to Azerbaijan and go to any region and see how many positive changes!

[smersh70]

Quote: ayyildiz

On the first video, music on the beam of Yarbay!

that's what it was intended !!!! because then, this song is dedicated to comrade Smersh from sunny Ganja Thank you Yarbai !!!!!!!!!!!

[smersh70]

Quote: Yarbay

look how many positive changes!

and how much has been done .. right now we raise the river to the level of the reservoir .. the German church is under repair .. etc., etc ..
by the way, and I put a little effort into this matter)))) the truth is there are losses-2 torn Italian costumes ... a broken finger .. a broken nose ...))) but that you can’t do it for your hometown

[Apollo]

Quote: tronin.maxim

It is understandable, we are waiting for the armature.

I welcome you to a colleague.

here at night, looking at other Internet news news portals, I came across such comments. in particular, on the Ria Novosti website. I bring to your attention.

Dmitry Ivanov reply to userAndrey (show commentshide comment)
19: 31 11.06.2013 | Xnumx
Andrey, further on those "rumors" from the topvar:
The local "experts" claim that there is nowhere to build the Armata, since the production is occupied by the T-90 - they are not aware that the prototypes are not in serial production, but in separate, experimental workshops, which do not overlap with the serial T-90, they over single samples, mockups, etc. work. These "experts" do not know that in the series Armata will not intersect with the T-90, since new workshops are being built for it - after all, it was in the news relatively recently, but the "experts" do not watch the news, they have no time - they have to compose rumors.
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Dmitry Ivanov reply to userAndrey (show commentshide comment)
19: 38 11.06.2013 | Xnumx
Andrey, and the last. On Topvar, in the heat of the breakdown of the covers, they even blurted out, as if because of the "Indian" (which is Algerian) tender, they stopped work not only on the Armata, but also on Kurganets-25, Boomerang and the Arctic. So, how is UVZ with its order for the T-90 connected with the manufacturers of armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, etc. .d.? They don't intersect at all!
In general, the guys already shine with "competence", "awareness" and "intelligence". Honestly, a sketch of the most mediocre, they even outdone Izvestia journalists.


http://ria.ru/arms/20130611/942749204.html

Eugene (mechanic) in the comments we are talking about

[Regis]

Apollo, you have forgotten his first comment on this topic about "drug addiction";)

[Avenger711]

It is quite possible that it will be in connection with the unfortunate modernization of the T-72. "Armata" is 2020 minimum.

[Edward72]

I don’t cry, it’s just disgusting. We are arming the whole world, but almost nothing. If something happened like 1941 on a cavalry tank or a single Berdanka for two, and this is not fiction, this was told to me by veterans in the hospital back in 1991- m. And I believe them more than some media.

[Avenger711]

It is time to learn the history of the 41st already, and not repeat the restructuring myths.

[Edward72]

Dear, these people have experienced in their own skin all the delights of the 41-42th, and once did not listen to the pseudo historians from a drunken corner

[DEfindER]

Quote: Edward72

like 1941 cavalry tanks or one berdanka for two, and this is not fiction, veterans in the hospital told me this back in 1991

I dare not agree, but what about the constant telegrams from German generals to Berlin in 1941 where they claimed that they were suffering huge losses and asking for reinforcements, and that the enemy defended themselves very skillfully and withdrawn their troops to new positions? These are facts, do not believe I can find links ..

[Nikolski1973]

This time has dragged on since the 90s, it’s time to already know the measure, and to arm ourselves.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Edward72

And when in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation they will deliver novies or, as always, according to the residual principle.

It doesn’t matter when the question is different.
The conflict in Karabakh can begin at any moment and it is clear that Russia will be on the side of Armenia, it cannot but come forward. And speaking, we will encounter our brand-new technique with our own hands delivered to Azerbaijan.
I don’t know what questions the leadership of the country will have and what they will answer. We don’t supply ourselves with 90 tons, but please the others.

[bulgurkhan]

There can be no conflict between Azerbaijan and Russia, this is completely ruled out.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: bulgurkhan

There can be no conflict between Azerbaijan and Russia, this is completely ruled out.

I won’t write the same thing 100 times. The arguments have already been given more than once

[cartridge]

Alexander Romanov
I don’t know what questions the leadership of the country will have and what they will answer.

"Hit the red ones until they turn white, hit the white ones until they turn red!" (from)

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: cartridge

"Hit the reds until they turn white, hit the white ones until they turn red!

Something familiar in this koment, what was your nickname before?

[xetai9977]

This "comment" was the slogan of the Makhnovists.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: xetai9977

This "comment" was the slogan of the Makhnovists.

This koment already used on a site one person.

[Proud.]

This motto belongs to the gang of Father Angel, from the film "Adjutant of His Excellency." Father Angel belonged to the so-called "movement of the green." Neither white nor red, and not Makhnovists-anarchists.

[kNow]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

it is clear that Russia will be on the side of Armenia, it cannot but speak. And speaking, we will encounter our brand-new technique with our own hands delivered to Azerbaijan.

Judging by the types and quantity of weapons, Russia has changed the priorities of strategic partnership in the Caucasus ...

[cosmos111]

KNow, supplying arms is just a business.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: kNow

Judging by the types and quantity of weapons, Russia has changed priorities with

Well here, how does anyone want to see

[Geisenberg]

Quote: kNow

Judging by the types and quantity of weapons, Russia has changed the priorities of strategic partnership in the Caucasus ...

More likely expanded horizons. They just began to sell weapons to everyone who formally passes under the definition of a stable state.

Generally quite reasonable policy. It is unlikely that the Isers will rush right now to smash the Armenians. Rather, the Armenians are right now cutting the budget to purchase equipment.

[Airman]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Edward72

And when in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation they will deliver novies or, as always, according to the residual principle.

It doesn’t matter when the question is different.
The conflict in Karabakh can begin at any moment and it is clear that Russia will be on the side of Armenia, it cannot but come forward. And speaking, we will encounter our brand-new technique with our own hands delivered to Azerbaijan.
I don’t know what questions the leadership of the country will have and what they will answer. We don’t supply ourselves with 90 tons, but please the others.

Avarice, avarice, and again avarice are at the forefront of our politicians. Such deliveries are not made without the knowledge of the president. At the sight of the "green" the mind is lost.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And speaking, we will encounter our brand-new technique with our own hands delivered to Azerbaijan.

The argument between the shield and the sword, an endless argument in principle. I think this problem will be solved by the supply of new anti-tank weapons to Armenians and the training of appropriate tank destroyers.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

we’ll encounter our new equipment delivered personally to Azerbaijan.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

We don’t supply ourselves with 90 tons, but please the others.

Why are you proposing to extinguish our equipment built on popular money at the training ground Put Grandmas got Washed Well, now we will test ATGM

[Rustam]

Azerbaijan has become the main buyer of our weapons in the CIS - in addition to this
We also bought S-300PMU-2, AK-sot series, Mi-35m, Mi-171v and much more — moreover, as I know, everything is paid in cash (no deliveries on credit or loan)

we, too, are good at enterprises busy with work — the only problem is how would it all turn against Armenia?


yes typo-delivered standard BMP-3 not version M


photo-new MI-35M Air Force of Azerbaijan

[Apollo]

Quote: Rustam

photo-new MI-35M Air Force of Azerbaijan

MI-35M round-the-clock application

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Edward72

And when in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation they will deliver novies or, as always, according to the residual principle.

And when they take charge of them, then they deliver. Cynical, but absolutely true.

[KoRSaR1]

And with us, as usual, if you did not know. What is rejected at the plant, or the receiver refuses to take, then it will form the basis of our aircraft. If anyone remembers, Mig-29 is for Malaysia.

[Sirs]

We will wait for the armature but also T90MS is necessary. Who knows how a tank based on artillery will show itself?

[Avenger711]

T-90MS export, and it is strange. We are waiting for a more thoughtful modification for ourselves.

[smersh70]

Quote: Sirs

Who knows how a tank based on artillery will show itself?

as Mr. Fox said - use what is at hand and do not look for another)))))

[Ezhaak]

Quote: smersh70

as Mr. Fox said - use what is at hand

Such a wide and frequent showing of cartoons, as in Baku, is not practiced in Russia. In order to see the Cat in boots and show it to his grandchildren, I had to download from the Internet. And about Fox and his statement, they hardly know here.

[xetai9977]

Greetings, Eugene! Which is FOX? this is Fix in my opinion, from "80 days around the world"

[Ezhaak]

Quote: xetai9977

Which is FOX? this is Fix in my opinion, from "80 days around the world"

Good day, Rauf.
Well of course you are right. Vurgun was mistaken, and I repeated. Extra confirmation of my words about cartoons in Russia. Forgotten a lot. Yes, and forgive me. Sclerosis.

[smersh70]

Quote: Hedgehog

Well of course you are right. Vurgun was wrong, and I repeated

the main thing is not who said.)))) the main thing is as he said))))))))))))

[Yarbay]

Quote: smersh70

the main thing is not who said.)))) the main thing is as he said))))))))))))

You were closer than your interlocutors!
it was said by Phileas Fogg, not Mr. Fix))))))

[Nayhas]

It’s strange to deliver weapons to a country that is on the verge of war with your ally ... Or don’t the money smell?

[Phantom Revolution]

More women give birth (C) In fact, not that we are selling (we will not sell, we will sell another), but that we are not updating our armed forces.

[Samuray]

You are right money does not smell! Tomorrow is all the military equipment will shoot at Russian soldiers in Armenia. It seems that the leadership of the Russian Federation does not care whom to sell. Did not take into account the situation when the union supplied arms and advisers to both warring parties in Yemen

[Lopatov]

Quote: Samuray

Did not take into account the situation when the union supplied arms and advisers to both warring parties in Yemen

And in Somalia.

[Phantom Revolution]

Do not sell Russia will sell another, starting with the Turks, ending with Ukraine.
So that there would be no war, you must first strengthen yourself, and Armenia, although an ally, must buy equipment for itself with its own money.

[Lopatov]

Usually somehow it’s not customary to sell weapons and military equipment to your likely enemy, do not you? And ours are either China or Azerbaijan.

[smersh70]

Quote: Spade

And ours are either China or Azerbaijan.

and since when .. are we at war or Azerbaijan is part of NATO ... as a likely adversary ..... it is very good that you do not enter the governing bodies of Russia ....

[Lopatov]

A likely adversary is a country or military bloc with which war is possible. Azerbaijan fully meets this criterion.
The "governing bodies of Russia" are well aware of this. But they love money very much

[kotdavin4i]

Lopatov - again, you start srach, you are an officer (as you say about yourself), How does Azerbaijan fit the criterion of "a country - a potential enemy"? so that almost 120 thousand Russians live here? By the fact that Azerbaijan is part of the "non-alignment movement"? the fact that economic relations between Russia and Azerbaijan are:
- "The trade turnover of Russia with Azerbaijan in 2012, according to the Federal Customs Service of Russia, reached a record level and amounted to 3407,8 million US dollars. At the same time, Russian exports to Azerbaijan amounted to 2844,0 million US dollars and compared to 2011 . increased by 13,6%. Azerbaijan's exports to Russia amounted to 563,8 million dollars and compared with 2011 decreased by 1,4%. "
- in the military field, we are doing the main focus on the purchase of RUSSIAN armaments and equipment ???
Have a conscience - do not breed nationalism here, you feel ashamed of the "officer"!

[Lopatov]

Nationalism? But from this place in great detail. Where you noticed him, indicate not to be unfounded.

[kotdavin4i]

Look at the history of your messages - it HAS AN EXPRESSLY ANTI-AZERI DIRECTION. and almost unreasonably!

[Lopatov]

Firstly, I have nothing against Azerbaijanis and Armenians. All my posts are against your two states, whose confrontation, I am afraid, will lead to nasty consequences for of my State.
Secondly, why did you decide that I must be an expressor of the interests of your people? You didn’t mix anything up?

[Kasym]

Shovel. Good afternoon. Thank you very much for your comments. - I always read them with interest!
I would like to express my point of view on the issue of Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh. "To understand the point of view of the opponent, I try to take his place."
1. Armenians first started. I don’t remember exactly what this populated point was called, but it was there that the Armenians first began to slaughter Azerbaijanis
2. Nagorno-Karabakh - this land historically belonged to Azerbaijan.
What remains to do Azerbaijan?
On the one hand, to march, at least for the sake of fear. On the other hand, to carry out an economic blockade (by the way, which manifests itself significantly - by 50 people, something about this will annually decrease the population of Armenia).
And one more aspect, in my opinion, is very important. After all, what happened. For several centuries, the Armenians gradually settled in Nagorno-Karabakh and the Azerbaijanis did not interfere with this in any way, showed hospitality. Mixed marriages have appeared. Everything seems to be fine, but the number of Armenians equaled the number of the indigenous population. And ... becomes the territory of (de facto) Armenia. We are all the time afraid of Chinese human expansion. We say: "The Chinese will populate our territories, and then they will declare them Chinese, and they will also take up weapons." And how are we behaving towards Azerbaijan? Double standards are obtained.
So personally, I and many of my compatriots are on the side of Azerbaijan. Although he makes mistakes, in my opinion.
1. Does not participate in integration processes.
2. Not a member of the CSTO.
These two "platforms" could significantly add political weight to Azerbaijan, more contacts, more time for discussion, and convey their point of view.
Sincerely.

[Lopatov]

Honestly, I understand all this very well, but I lived in Ossetia. Where at one fine moment at night one nation came to cut another. I think you are in the know ...

And in the Azerbaijani-Armenian, to be honest, I do not know what can be done. Maybe they should take NK away and populate them with peace penguins?

I do not want to see the RF Armed Forces involved in this conflict. And if justice is thrown on one side of the scale, and the lives of our soldiers on the other, then I do not care about justice, excuse me. I think you and your compatriots will understand this.

What to do here? I do not know.

Sincerely.

[Kasym]

Shovel. +. I absolutely agree that in the event of war we must intervene. Although there are legal subtleties - the war with NK, and not with Armenia. Although, in any case, we are obliged to intervene. In the form of peacekeepers, for example.
And if you take the place of Azerbaijan (I. Aliyev)? If Azerbaijan attacks first, what consequences could there be?
In case of defeat or even a draw - it risks losing NK forever. An example of Greece is evident.
Victory, but then blitzkrieg is needed. And this is unlikely in the conditions of the mountains and in the presence of defensive structures.
That is, there will be no war in the near future, or, the probability of a war is low.
One thing remains, in my opinion. The economic blockade (its effectiveness is evident in Armenia, in my opinion, only the border with Iran works normally). And if you impose a "race of armaments" on Armenia, then it will have a hard time (although with the presence of the Russian Armed Forces in Armenia this is unlikely - that is, you can temporarily "borrow" something). And also to raise the standard of living in your country, to raise the economy (that's why I say that integration processes, for example, with the Customs Union, would not interfere with Azerbaijan).
In Armenia, the situation is unenviable. She is actually in blockade. Without trade, the economy is growing weak. People are leaving. NK became a liability for her. It certainly won’t be the first to fight - it will be a fatal mistake. So, the sooner a good deal is reached with Azerbaijan, the better, in my opinion, it will be. The longer this takes place, the less people will remain there, the more economical the Armenian economy will be - and we need such a duty in the new Union.
Sincerely.

[experienced]

Quote: Kasym

I absolutely agree that in the event of war we must intervene.

Dear Kasym, I respect your opinion but answer a simple question: For what?

Quote: Kasym

Although there are legal subtleties - the war with NK, and not with Armenia

EXACTLY WITH NK

Quote: Kasym

Although, in any case, we are obliged to intervene. In the form of peacekeepers, for example.

Peacekeepers are not introduced during the database period
I am a Russian living in Moscow, who has won back in Chechnya; I don’t want our guys to harness this and shed blood IMHO

[Lopatov]

Quote: seasoned

I am a Russian living in Moscow

I am a Belarusian living in Penza

[Kasym]

Experienced. Hello, Alexey! So it’s a pity, they’re killing others. After all, as they think, not to interfere in the mess of yourself on the border means to show your weakness, meaning someone else will do it (read west). But actually, I agree with Lopatov, it's not up to us to decide. And in war, little faith. The procurement of weapons by Azerbaijan shows that they are ready for any scenario. Show their financial and economic capabilities. And why didn’t the war be written above.
Nice to meet you. Dauren.

[experienced]

Quote: Kasym

Experienced

Hi Kasym!

Quote: Kasym

So it’s a pity, they’re killing others

They know why they are killing, and the Russian guy will be the third superfluous. There, the abscess is ripening, let them figure it out for themselves, the Russians control the borders of Armenia, they will not allow lawlessness

Quote: Kasym

The procurement of weapons by Azerbaijan shows that they are ready for any scenario. Show their financial and economic opportunities

Azerbaijan buys weapons from Russia for real money, Russia credits Armenia ... Do you understand the difference?
But it’s not even about money, RI pulled into the 1st World War and it didn’t end in anything good, maybe it’s enough to defend other people's interests? Georgia has already been taken under the wing ... We have enough of our territory !!!!!
ENOUGH TO FEED OTHERS !!!!!

[Kasym]

Alexey, this is how I try to prove that there will be no WAR there. Aliyev sees what happened to Georgia. And he is far from Mishiko - at least he still does everything right in relation to Armenia. The economic blockade and the "arms race", which sooner or later will stifle Armenia - here, I think, there are no options (and since people are leaving, as I wrote about above, then things are bad). And no war is needed.
And also, Alexey, I agree with you on the question: "Who is with the" money ", and who is with an empty pocket." Therefore, I think that Azerbaijan in the Customs Union would be very useful - it is not a poor country, all the more it is very attractive tourism - the sea, the sun, the beach and a good kitchen. What no paradise !!!

[experienced]

Quote: Kasym

so I try to prove that WAR will not be there

The war will be there. If your neighbor occupied the toilet and hung the lock, then only one thing follows from this - sooner or later you will try to rip it off

Quote: Kasym

The economic blockade and the "arms race", which sooner or later will stifle Armenia - here, I think, there are no options (and since people are leaving, as I wrote about above, then things are bad). And no war is needed.

Yes Yes. Sponsors and Diasporas Do Not Be Generous

Quote: Kasym

Therefore, I think that Azerbaijan would be very welcome in the CU - this is neither a poor country, much less attractively tourist - the sea, the sun, the beach and a good kitchen. Whatever paradise !!!

With two hands "FOR"

[Lopatov]

I am aware that Russia will lose anyway. Well, that means fate is not the first time for us. Honor is more important.
You very carefully laid out everything on the shelves. But little depends on us

[experienced]

Quote: Spade

I realize that Russia will lose anyway

Shake it, rag! Nobody attacks us

Quote: Spade

Well, that means fate is such, we are not the first to

1812-XXXX, 1941-1945 Well, not the first time

Quote: Spade

You very carefully laid out everything on the shelves.

Easier to assemble

Quote: Spade

But little depends on us

From "us" yes - much from Russia

[Kasym]

Alexey. Buddy, let's leave this dispute - there will be, no war will be. I just brought my reasoning to this issue and cited the fact of the outflow of the population from Armenia - some diasporas and other sponsors will support some pants. Lopatov writes correctly, it is not up to us to decide. I also want this to hurt our guys.
Sincerely, Dayren.

[GP]

Quote: Kasym

Nagorno-Karabakh - this land historically belonged to Azerbaijan.
What remains to do Azerbaijan?

You do not quite understand the essence of the problem with the NKR. This land does not have a clear temporary owner. Until the moment when the Russian regiments came there, it was owned either by Persian-Iranians or Ottomans-Turks. The peoples of Armenia and Azerbaijan did not have the slightest independence, that those that were cut equally and mercilessly and there was no need for delimitation. Then the Russians came and, among other things, banned ethnic hatred. So they lived more than one century in the world, but quietly disliked each other. The Russians left at the end of the XNUMXth century and the issue of disengagement became an edge.

[smersh70]

Quote: GP

You do not quite understand the essence of the problem with the NKR.

and you do not completely know not only the essence, but also the history of this region .... but by the way here is a completely different story .....

[GP]

Quote: smersh70

and you do not completely know not only the essence, but also the history of this region .... but by the way here is a completely different story .....

As amended by Azerbaijan and Armenia, I will get acquainted with the history of the NKR territory in the last turn because of the obvious bias of the parties.
But this is a step away from the topic

[Yarbay]

Quote: GP

With the history of the NKR territory

You are completely unfamiliar with her !!

[Yarbay]

Quote: GP

You do not quite understand the essence of the problem with the NKR.

That you do not have even the slightest idea about the problem with the NKR!
in 1828, when the "Armenian region" was created within the Iravan and Nakhichevan khanates, ¾ of its population were Muslims. This is confirmed by the letter of General Paskevich to the Chief of the General Staff, which contains dissatisfaction with the actions of General Krasovsky, appointed head of the "temporary administration" Irevan, and a member of this administration, Archbishop Nerses, in 1827. Paskevich reproached Krasovsky for presenting to Nerses unlimited influence on all affairs, and in harmful patronage of the Armenians, while "¾ of the region's population are Mohammedans" (V.A.Potto. Caucasian War. Persian War of 1826-1828. Volume 3, Stavropol, 1993 , pp. 594-595). Three quarters were Mohammedans !!))))
Russian writer S.N. Glinka gives interesting information about the movement of Armenians from Iran towards Karabakh. The political nature of the resettlement of Iranian Armenians to the Muslim lands just captured by Russia is clearly seen in the appeal to the Persian Armenians of the active organizer of resettlement G. Lazarev: "In Erivan, Nakhichevan and Karabakh, where you choose, you will receive an abundance of grain-bearing land, partly sown, of which only a part is processed in favor of the Treasury. You are exempted for six years from all taxes and aid will be given to the poorest of you. " (S.N. Glinka. Description of the resettlement of the Armenians of Adderbidzhan in Russia. M., 1831, p.107-111). SN Glinka writes: “Armenians from various villages adjacent to Turkmenchay moved to Karabakh” (Ibid .: 48). According to his information, “in three and a half months, more than 8.000 families crossed the Araks” (Ibid .: 92). In the spring of 1828, when the stream of Armenians was moving towards Araz, Paskevich received an order to resettle the poorest in Karabakh, and this was reflected in the Russian literature of that time (Ibid .: 90-91). This is how in 1832 the Armenians made up 31,6% of the population of Karabakh, and the Muslims who retained the majority - 68,4% (Review of the Russian possessions in the Caucasus in statistical, ethnographic, topographic and financial relations. Tiflis, 1836, p. 267).
By the decree of Emperor Nicholas I on March 21, 1828, on the lands of the former Iravan and Nakhichevan khanates, the "Armenian region" was created: "By virtue of the treaty, prisoner with Persia, the annexation of Russia from Persia to the Khanate in all matters will henceforth be called the Armenian region and included in our title" (Complete collection of laws of the Russian Empire. Vol. III, St. Petersburg., 1830, p. 272-273). Russian general and Georgian prince A. Chavchavadze was appointed head of the "Armenian region" (Acts of the Caucasian Archaeographic Commission. Archive of the Main Directorate of the Governor of the Caucasus. Volume VII. Published under the editorship of the chairman of the commission A.D. Berzhe. Tiflis, 1878, p.487).
At the time of the formation of this area, 75% of its population was Muslim. If during the period of the Russian conquest 49.875 Muslims and 20.073 Armenians lived in the Iravan region, then immediately after the formation of the "Armenian region" 45.200 Armenians were resettled here from neighboring countries (Review of Russian possessions beyond the Caucasus in statistical, ethnographic, topographic and financial relations. Tiflis, 1836, p. 229). A similar situation has developed in the Nakhchivan region. By the time the Russian occupation ended, 17.138 Muslims and 2.690 Armenians lived in Nakhchivan. With the liquidation of the Khanate, 10.670 Armenians moved here in a short period of time. Similarly, in the Ordubad part of Nakhchivan, where originally 7.247 Muslims and 2.388 Armenians lived, 1.340 Armenians were resettled to change the ratio between them (Ibid. P. 229).

[smersh70]

Quote: Yarbay

That you do not have even the slightest idea about the problem with the NKR!

Yeah ..... heavy Artillery arrived in time))) Hold on to GP ... Yarbai right now YOU will show where the crayfish hibernate .....

[Yarbay]

Quote: GP

. Then the Russians came and, among other things, banned ethnic hatred.

Are you sure??

February 7, 1905. Baku. Azerbaijan. About 100 civilians have been killed and wounded by the same Armenian terrorist organization34.

February 9, 1905. Baku. Azerbaijan. All the same Armenian terrorist organization carried out pogroms and killings of city residents. The threat of Armenian terrorists, expressed in proclamations circulated in Baku in late 1904, has been consistently implemented. After the massacres, the criminals gathered in the homes of wealthy Armenians (Balabek Lalaev, Artem Babayants, Isay Ter-Osipov, Ako-pa Muradyan, Grigory Sargsyants, Karen Sahakyants and others) and opened fire from the windows and roofs of the buildings, bombarding the city with bombers , grenades of English and French production. The events of February 6-10, 1905 went down in history as the "bloody massacre in the city of Baku." The above-mentioned Armenian tycoons, along with Mantashev, Ter-Gukasov, Melikyants, were members and sponsors of the international Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun”, which began implementing its program installations.35

February 20-21, 1905. Irevan (now renamed Yerevan). Azerbaijan. Armenian gangs led by the international terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun” committed the killings of Muslims - residents of this city. The brutal executions of civilians terrified eyewitnesses. They were carried out by people brought up in Armenian textbooks, published, according to the Russian newspaper “Caucasus”, “in Paris or Venice”. The authors of these books seemed to program their students for future crimes against humanity: "Armenia is a great word, a great memory of past times, a great element of the future ... Armenians are morally superior to all the peoples around them." In the same textbooks, according to the aforementioned Russian newspaper, it was specifically pointed out that the Armenian people were chosen by God as a mediator of the spread of civilization and Christianity.

False Armenian history with the aim of creating the foundation, educating the Armenian youth in the spirit of chauvinism was raised to the level of state policy. Our younger generation, brought up in the spirit of the great humanistic ideals of Azerbaijani literature and culture, was under the fire of the persecution of extremist Armenian ideology. The ideological basis for political and military aggression was created by the policy of slanderous slanders on spiritual values, national honor and dignity of the Azerbaijani people. ” 36

[Yarbay]

May 11, 1905. Baku. Azerbaijan. Five Armenian terrorists committed the assassination of Prince M. Nakashidze and G. Takayshvili, who spoke from the position of friendship between the Caucasian peoples. This is evidenced by the recollections of an eyewitness P.P. Shubinsky. On the same day, General Alikhanov was killed. The proclamation circulated after the killings noted that they were carried out by the Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun”. According to some reports, one of the killers was Drastamat Kanayan nicknamed Dro. Prior to these events, Dro in Zangezur County, as part of various Armenian gangs, took part in bloody operations against civilians - Turks, Kurds, Azerbaijanis.

Further on the list of those killed by terrorists from Dashnaktsutyun: district chiefs Pavlov, Neshchansky, Boguslavsky, vice-governor Andreev, Colonel Bykov and others. 37

May 24, 1905. Irevan province. Azerbaijan. In the Irevan province, Armenian bearded men opened fire on peaceful Muslims. Taking advantage of the panic among people, the Armenian bandits inflicted brutal reprisal. Its victims were 11 citizens - 4 women, 2 children and 5 men. 38

May 1905 Nakhchivan. Azerbaijan. Armenian gangs in Nakhchivan staged bloody atrocities against civilians. Among the dead are women, the elderly, children. 39
1905 year. Zangezur. Azerbaijan. Armenian gangs carried out massacre of the civilian population of the city. Dozens of people were executed. According to eyewitnesses, Armenian cutthroats used sophisticated forms of executions that were difficult to describe. For example, people were tied by their arms and legs to the bent branches of huge trees. Then the branches were released, tearing the bodies ... Residents were destroyed by Armenian bandits only because they professed the Islamic religion. 40

June 2, 1905. Well-armed, numerous Armenian gangs attacked the Muslim village of Menkus. Unarmed peasants were forced to flee with their families. In a deserted village, an invalid, an 80-year-old man who, despite the insistence of the villagers, remained at home in the hands of Armenian militants. He died from torture. Armenian bearded men tortured an old man with a ramrod.

[Yarbay]

August 8, 1905 Shusha. Azerbaijan. In the Shushinsky district of the Ganja province, more than 300 Armenian bandits from the village of Venk attacked the caravans passing by; merchants executed, property looted. Then they attacked a neighboring Muslim village, where they killed the son of a resident of the village of Abbas bey, his brother and several servants. Soon all the villagers were brutally executed, and their houses were burned down. The bandits were joined by Armenian soldiers who escaped from the barracks and took weapons with them.

The bloody actions were frightening in nature, the purpose of which was to force the local population to leave Shusha and other territories of Nagorno-Karabakh. The ideologists of Armenian terrorism, who embarked on the implementation of the “political territory of Armenia” program, were clearly unhappy with the fact that even the massive resettlement of Armenians in Azerbaijani territories did not change the demographic situation. This is evidenced by the study of the Russian scientist M.A. Skibitsky, according to which, the ethnic ratio of Armenians and Azerbaijanis in the Nagorno-Karabakh at the beginning of the XX century, respectively, was 1: 4. In other words, Azerbaijanis accounted for 72,6% of the number of pasture users. The author also indicates in his work the presence of the Kurdish and Tatian population in this region. The book contains a map of the Karabakh state summer pastures compiled by a Russian researcher. A unique map later disappeared from the book depositories of St. Petersburg, Moscow, Tbilisi, Yerevan. 46

August 20, 1905. Baku. Azerbaijan. Well-armed Armenian gangs attacked the many densely populated Muslim neighborhoods of the city. A huge number of people were brutally killed. Men were cut off their heads, pregnant women had their bellies ripped open, children were thrown into the fire or drowned in wells. Part of the corpses was dumped into the sea. 47

August 21, 1905. Shusha. Azerbaijan. The Armenian bandits attacked 17 Azerbaijani craftsmen involved in the repair of the school in one of the villages of Shushi district, and cut off their heads48.

The end of August 1905. Baku. Azerbaijan. Armenian gangs have committed a monstrous massacre of the city’s inhabitants - ethnic Azerbaijanis. According to eyewitnesses, the events of the end of August in Baku exceeded the February Baku tragedy of the same year in terms of their brutality and the mass nature of the killings.

According to Russian archives, in 1905-1906, the Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun” actually “played a double game: firstly, at least part of the anger was expelled from the Muslims, and on the other, with the help of the press and propaganda, the culprit of everything that happened was Russian the government, and thus, new powerful propaganda material appeared for the revolution not only of Armenians, but also of other residents of the Caucasus ... As a result, many Russian administrative and private individuals displeased with the Armenians perished ”49
The end of September 1905. Gazakh. Azerbaijan. The Armenian bearded men from the international terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun”, having captured the ancient Azerbaijani city of Gazakh, burned it. Among the civilian population there were numerous victims

[Yarbay]

November 21, 1905. Tiflis. Georgia. Bearded men from the international Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun” inflicted the most bloody and cruel massacre on residents of Tiflis in the history of Georgia. According to eyewitnesses of those events, the Armenian gangs, “clearing places” for settling the newcomers of Armenia, were slaughtered by whole villages of Orthodox Georgian peasants and whole blocks of residents of the city of Tiflis. Neither children nor women, nor the elderly, nor the disabled were spared. The wounded were finished off. According to the surviving data, a large number of Azerbaijanis were killed by Armenian gangs on this day in Tiflis. But since Azerbaijani families categorically refused to take the dead to the morgue in accordance with religious traditions, and immediately drove them to mosques, only 10 corpses of Muslims were found in the Torglis morgue by evening. In an effort to hide from the international community the true perpetrators of the killings, the Armenian press from its pages told the world about the “Tiflis tragedy of the Armenians ...” (!!!).

The traditional attitude of the Georgian intelligentsia towards the ideologists of Armenian terrorism was expressed by the outstanding Georgian thinker I. Chavchavadze: “We are only upset that the self-glorifying group of Armenians, denying our, Georgians, spiritual and physical existence, indicates to us only a grave unfurled before us, as if our non-existence creates their existence. It’s time to tear off the mask from this group of Armenians, whose sages ask us, Georgians, young and old, without exception, such a chime. It's time to look at them directly, without embellishment. It’s time for us to find out where the black raven crows over us, where this stone city comes from, beating us. It’s time for us to come to our senses and not celebrate the coward in front of these false liberals, in front of these harlequins of true liberalism, plugging our mouths with the goal of hiding our sacrilege, duplicity, heartlessness under the sacred cloak of love for people. ”53

January 1, 1906. Parapravand. Azerbaijan. Armenian gangs attacked the Azerbaijani village of Papravend. After a vain attempt by the inhabitants to resist, the village was captured. Men were cut off their heads, and pregnant women were opened with their swords stomachs and their heads were cut off ... children who had not yet had time to be born. The massacre of Andranik led the massacre, which General G. Mayevsky, consul of Russia in Erzurum, pointed out at the beginning of the century: “At the beginning of the winter of 1901, an Armenian gang of a certain Andranik appeared” 54.

http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-3.php

[GP]

Alibek, we kind of had a discussion with on the NKR topic. My opinion has not changed since then.

[Yarbay]

Quote: GP

Alibek, we kind of had a discussion with on the NKR topic. My opinion has not changed since then.

That
Do you call a discussion?))))
You couldn’t answer anything to my arguments and documentary arguments and say that you haven’t changed your mind!
This is called, such as milk, even if white, I want it to be black! This is your position!
it is that they, under escort, took the Azerbaijanis out of the Armenian SSR. The conditions under which this export of Azerbaijanis took place is best described by the reports of the military commandant of Baku, General M. Tyagunov: “I also ordered the commandant of the special district of Yerevan, Lieutenant General Samsonov V.N. - send military garrisons to all settlements, where necessary, to normalize the situation. Today, December 3 this year, a joint field team of officers from a special district of Baku, representatives of the Council of Ministers of Azerbaijan, as well as evacuated residents of Azerbaijani nationality from these areas flew by helicopters to Kafan, Sisian and Ijivan districts with a view to their detailed examination. The same task in the Ararat and Masis districts will be performed by the forces of the military commandant of the special district of Yerevan. ” “According to the military commandant of the special district of Yerevan, Lieutenant General Samsonov V.N. in the Gugark district, all the people who went into the mountains and forests returned to their villages and who wished to arrive in the Azerbaijani city of Kazakh by four buses by 17.00 p.m. 2 / XII. Persons of Azerbaijani nationality remaining in the villages of Shaumyan, Archut, Saral, Kurtaly, Allavad, Gezaldar and other settlements of the Armenian SSR are reliably guarded by troops. From the morning of December 3, 50 people will be additionally sent to the Kafan area. ”
Retired lieutenant general, former commander of the Air Defense Forces of the southern strategic direction of the USSR Ministry of Defense Pyotr Polyakh described the process of expelling Azerbaijanis from the Armenian SSR: “I will tell you right away that I was simply struck by the sight of Azerbaijanis being expelled from Armenia. Armenians burned and robbed peaceful Azerbaijani villages located on the territory of Armenia. The Soviet army did everything possible to save Azerbaijanis in Armenia. We flew to these villages, took them in a ring so that the Armenians would not raid them, and then transported Azerbaijanis to Azerbaijan. Basically, we took them to the city of Gazakh. ”
The messages of the military commandant and the former General of the SA, recalling the military reports of the Soviet Information Bureau during the Great Patriotic War, speak for themselves and may well serve as documentary evidence of the events that took place in the region during the corresponding period, clearly show in what conditions the "peaceful exodus" of the Azerbaijani population took place Armenian SSR.


"Youth of Azerbaijan", December 3, 1988
HSE, December 2, 1988
http://www.vesti.az/news.php?id=47421

[GP]

Yes, I made a mistake, the dialogue was mainly with Ataturk.
Want to read read
http://topwar.ru/18903-oshibki-armenii-i-uspeh-azerbaydzhana.html#
don't want don't read

Quote: Yarbay

You couldn’t answer anything to my arguments and documentary arguments.

And I’m not going to. In the NKR dispute between Azerbaijan and Armenia, I am on the side of Russia.

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: Spade

Usually somehow it’s not customary to sell weapons and military equipment to your likely enemy, do not you? And ours are either China or Azerbaijan.

I repeat, Russia will not sell, another country will sell, but to die without a difference from what weapons. The light did not converge in a wedge, but it gives us the pluses in that they depend on us militarily, weapons, spare parts, etc. In a war, it’s dangerous to buy your enemy’s weapons, so think about bookmarks, I hope they are in this technique.

[Nayhas]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

Do not sell Russia will sell another, starting with the Turks, ending with Ukraine.

Actually, Armenia is an ally of Russia, not Turkey. And it is in Armenia that our troops are located, and not in Azerbaijan. It is clear that Armenia has nowhere to go and it will have to endure such a demarche from Russia, but somehow it looks mean ...

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: Nayhas

Actually, Armenia is an ally of Russia, not Turkey. And it is in Armenia that our troops are located, and not in Azerbaijan. It is clear that Armenia has nowhere to go and it will have to endure such a demarche from Russia, but somehow it looks mean ...

Our ally, but this does not mean that the ally country is a dependent country. We already bear the costs of defending Armenia with our bases, and she must update her own armed forces herself.
About meanness, what does it manifest in? If we didn’t sell, we would sell others, the money would go to the side, but there’s no difference from what to die from either the Turkish howitzer or the Russian howitzer, etc. Similarly.

[Lopatov]

Russia will be obliged to intervene in the event of aggressive actions against the territory of Armenia, its military units and aircraft.

Quote: Phantom Revolution

but there’s no difference from why there’s either a Turkish howitzer or a Russian howitzer

Russian military? Maybe you are right. It was necessary to die from weapons delivered to Chechnya between the two wars. And nothing endured. But then it was done in criminal ways, and now it’s open.

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: Spade

Russian military? Maybe you are right. It was necessary to die from weapons delivered to Chechnya between the two wars. And nothing endured. But then it was done in criminal ways, and now it’s open.

The Russian military should be armed themselves, and not hope that someone will not put up arms to one or another state-wu.

About Chechnya, you will not believe it, and now they supply the militants with the most modern AKs, well, not everyone, but there are some, look at the operations of the CTO, there the special forces that stormed the house "licked their lips" from the AK they saw.
I won't find it for a long time, if you want to find it, look in the section "assault on a house in Chechnya" in 2010-2011, like this reportage was then.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

About Chechnya, you won’t believe it and now they deliver modern AKs to the militants

Why won't I believe it? For the first time I saw the trophy tandems for the RPG-7. The same is with the RGO-RGN grenades. They also had fragmentation "pencils" earlier than ours by two months.

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: Spade

Why don't I believe? For the first time I saw the trophy tandems for the RPG-7. The same is with the RGO-RGN grenades. They also had fragmentation "pencils" earlier than ours by two months.

That's it, the problem is not that someone has a more modern technique than our soldiers, but that we don’t have it updated on time, but I understand that it’s not all at once, but if you look at the pace we are updating, then with such trillion infusions it's just chickens to laugh. Again, I understand half of these trillions settled in the pockets of officials who have already prepared their own villas in London.

[Pimply]

The question is what is the case when entering Armenia. What about Karabakh?

[Lopatov]

Also. Military units.

[Pimply]

So what. Military units are not the borders of the state. It’s too blurry, so you can vary it if you wish. Anything can be danced there

[Artmark]

Russia does not pay for bases in Armenia! And so I think this is purely business that will not be sold. Russia will be bought from another country. And so if in Russia they have not changed their views, they will put some kind of armament in Armenia as a counterweight ... with respect

[Tigran2]

Neither the United States nor Germany sell offensive weapons in the conflict zone, Russia is selling. It does not converge.

[xetai9977]

phantom Do you remember that Armenia ever BOUGHT from you? They always gave the delivery at your expense. Did you forget the report of the Russian Defense Minister Rodionov about the free delivery of weapons to Armenia in the amount of $ 1 billion? .) For foreigners, tales of "disinterested friendship and brotherhood" do not work.

[xetai9977]

News from Armenia: A delegation from Armenia headed by the Chief of the General Staff Khachaturov left for Rome to discuss issues of expanding cooperation between the countries.

[smersh70]

Quote: Samuray

Tomorrow is all the military equipment will shoot at Russian soldiers in Armenia

You are out of your mind .... this is Armenia has occupied 20% of the territory of Azerbaijan ...... we have nothing to do in the territory of another state .... we don’t want someone else’s .... we only want to restore the territorial integrity of the state ... which Russia recognized ...

[Samuray]

I'm in my mind! And you need to carefully read the text. I did not touch the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan! I meant that sooner or later these weapons would shoot at Russian soldiers.

[smersh70]

Quote: Samuray

I meant that sooner or later these weapons would shoot at Russian soldiers.

you are mistaken my friend !!!! Thank God, the Russian soldier did not occupy our lands .... and she will never shoot at the Russians - if you are talking about the Treaty, it is clearly written that Russian soldiers will protect Armenia from the aggressor .... and the war is on the territory of Azerbaijan ... we have 1 million refugees ... so these weapons will shoot at the Armenian armed forces !!!!!!!!!

[Samuray]

First, the peacekeepers from the Russian Federation will separate the fighters and where is the guarantee that there will be no provocations and will not shoot at them! At least because they are allies of Armenia. And secondly, what prevented you from returning the territories belonging to Azerbaijan in the early 90s

[smersh70]

Quote: Samuray

And secondly, what prevented you from returning the territories belonging to Azerbaijan in the early 90s

there was a lot written in the comments of other branches ... I won’t write again .and, as the Russian proverb says, better late than never

[Apollo]

Quote: Samuray

I meant that sooner or later these weapons would shoot at Russian soldiers.

On the basis of what did you come to such a conclusion ?!

[Apollo]

Quote: Samuray

Tomorrow is all the military equipment will shoot at Russian soldiers in Armenia.

You are deeply mistaken, the sold weapon never and under no circumstances It will not be directed against Russian soldiers. It will be directed against illegal armed groups that have entrenched in Karabakh.

[smersh70]

Quote: Nayhas

a country that is on the verge of war with your ally ..

and you do not choose such an ally-aggressor ... and besides, sitting on your neck .. both economically and willow militarily ...
it is better to be friends on an equal, cost-effective platform for both parties !! then they will be more respected as a partner .....

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: smersh70

and you do not choose such an ally-aggressor ... hi and, moreover, sitting on your neck .. both economically and militarily ...
it is better to be friends on an equal, cost-effective platform for both parties !! then they will be more respected as a partner .....

To be a war, if Azerbaijan is the first to attack Armenia, Russia will intervene 100% not on the side of Azerbaijan about the Collective Security Treaty Organization, I won’t tell you yourself what it is and what it commits. Russia will not be able to intervene, otherwise it will nullify the entire organization of the CSTO. So what you want, you don’t want, but you have to fight.
PS In vain Azerbaijan left the Collective Security Treaty Organization, then he would have had more maneuvers, and alas, alas.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

To be war, if Azerbaijan is the first to attack Armenia

The territory of Nagorno-Karabakh is not the territory of Armenia. But the troops of the Armenian Republic on the territory of Karabakh, I believe, are present. Do you think Russia will intervene if hostilities begin against the Armenian armed forces located on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh? Please note that this territory is legally owned by Azerbaijan. The CSTO treaty has the right to apply when the Azerbaijani troops cross the borders of Armenia. Or do we not know something?

[Pimply]

Everything will depend on the position and desire of Russia. Laws can be interpreted as you want, if you have the strength and opportunity for this. An example with Georgia, Kosovo and a bunch of other countries is an indicator.

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: Hedgehog

The CSTO treaty has the right to apply when the Azerbaijani troops cross the borders of Armenia. Or do we not know something?

It’s not enough to fight in Nagorno-Karabakh, so that the war does not drag on for years, you need to destroy the infrastructure this time, and the second, the Russian Federation will not allow such a war to flare up, these two will conduct an operation to force peace-2. A pact was signed on Karabakh, both from the Armenian and from the Azerbaijani side.

[xetai9977]

Dear, you have already answered your own question "there will be war if Azerbaijan is the first to attack ARMENIA. Since Karabakh is NOT Armenia, there is therefore nothing to talk about. Unlike the" hawks "who sit at the computer and carry no responsibility, your leaders perfectly know who the aggressor is, and they are not going to sacrifice the lives of Russians for someone's ambitions.

[Apollo]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

To be war, if Azerbaijan is the first to attack Armenia,

Azerbaijan will never attack Armenia, or do you think that the power structures of Azerbaijan have rolled off the coils ?!

[Airman]

Quote: Nayhas

It’s strange to deliver weapons to a country that is on the verge of war with your ally ... Or don’t the money smell?

The situation of the 90s is repeating, when ammunition was supplied from Russia to Armenia and Azerbaijan for waging war. Profit at ANY PRICE, even at the cost of the lives of OUR soldiers at 102 bases.

[Ezhaak]

In the 30s and 40s of the last century, the United States and Great Britain, as well as part of Europe, did the same. And the USSR helped and Germany helped. And they traded, and changed, and credited. Who was capable of what.

[Nikolski1973]

And where do we have such a technique? We are arming everyone, but yourself?

[Vanek]

And who knows? In the first photo, what’s there with a machine gun? I just do not know. But the thoughts are obscene.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vanek

But thoughts are obscene

Ivan, and where did you get such thoughts, you think transparent than they wrapped

[Vanek]

Russian-Azerbaijani tank contract providing for the supply of about 200 T-90S tanks,

I thought his mood fell, which is sent to Azerbaijan.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vanek

I thought his mood fell,

Who has Aliyev

[mirag2]

The most competent behavior in this situation is to prevent the escalation of the Karabakh problem.

[a.hamster55]

In Karabakh there are 1,5 roads passable for heavy equipment. And the road in the mountains - here it is, but here
no longer. And if there is aviation, then massive transfers are generally fraught with the complete destruction of equipment

[smersh70]

Quote: a.hamster55

In Karabakh, 1,5 roads are passable for heavy equipment.

You don’t know the theater of operations .. besides the pure territory of the NKAR ... there are more 7 districts occupied ... of which the 4 districts are found purely on the plain or in the foothills .. so there are places where the T-72 will unfold ... and in the mountains use T-55 ...

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: smersh70

You don’t know the theater of operations .. besides the pure territory of the NKAR ... there are more 7 districts occupied ... of which the 4 districts are found purely on the plain or in the foothills .. so there are places where the T-72 will unfold ... and in the mountains use T-55 ...

Still hope to fight?

[Lopatov]

And why else so totally buy weapons and military equipment? Show off?

[smersh70]

Quote: Spade

And why else so totally buy weapons and military equipment? Show off?

some comrades will answer your question ... when all this will fly on their head

[Lopatov]

some comrades will answer your question ... when all this will fly on their head

On the heads of my friends, my colleagues, my former subordinates (the latter, I hope, will answer this well, it is not in vain that I spent many hundreds of hours dragging them). At the neighbor in the country, the son at the 102nd base serves ...
We need to send the children of our leaders there and send them to the 58th Army. To understand the consequences of their policy of "money at any cost"

[smersh70]

Quote: Spade

At the neighbor in the country, the son at the 102nd base serves ...

Lopatov ... They tell you 100000 times that not a meter of Armenia has been occupied ... but on the contrary, the occupied territories of Azerbaijan have been occupied ... and hostilities, if renewed, will be carried out exclusively in Azerbaijan ... and may God grant health to all Russian servicemen serving on this base ....

[Lopatov]

And you have already been told 100000 times that the only shot at the territory of Armenia, their plane or their military unit, and Russia will be obliged to intervene

[smersh70]

Quote: Spade

that the only shot at the territory of Armenia, their plane or their military unit, and Russia will be obliged to intervene

don’t worry ... I promise YOU .... sleep soundly ... not a single shot will hit the territory of Armenia ....

[Skarte]

If you refer to the main tasks of the CSTO, you need to know well all the documentation, all the reservations, references, etc. (so, so, I’ll just go over it superficially). Azerbaijan will begin to liberate its territories occupied by Armenians and has the right to do so, the territory of Armenia is not affected, the CSTO is out of the game, but if you refer to one of the "general" goals of the CSTO, namely

an attack by the armed forces of a state on the land, sea or air forces or the sea and air fleets of another state (it will be qualified as an act of aggression);

then it’s not at all clear what and how to be

[Lopatov]

Here I am about that. The gentlemen from Azerbaijan fundamentally do not pay attention to this moment.

[smersh70]

Quote: Spade

Lord from Azerbaijan fundamentally do not pay attention to this moment

Quote: Spade

Lord from Azerbaijan fundamentally do not pay attention to this moment

so it means that any CSTO state can seize someone else’s territory .... and when it comes time to get the teeth on it .... then this state will refer to the CSTO treaty ..... class !!!!!!!!!!!! forward the rest of the Collective Security Treaty Organization .. for the capture of Ukraine .. POLAND ..... itd .. and the like ....

[Skarte]

Well, you already do not exaggerate comrade smersh70. You are trying to refute the official treaty of the CSTO, ratified and signed. Like it or not, this is a fact and it has a place to be. We are just saying that the situation is stalemate, there are contradictions, and how to get out of this situation is a very interesting question.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Skarte

stalemate

Rather, potentially catastrophic. Sorry, clarified.

[smersh70]

Quote: Skarte

You are trying to refute the official treaty of the CSTO,

but isn’t it better to get together the members of the organization - and tell one of the members - you dishonor our holy goals ... be educated ... you go along the path of Hitler .... you discredit us ....

[Skarte]

If everything in life would be so easy))) ... But that's what life is for, to always crawl out of different "bad" places

[Lopatov]

Quote: smersh70

so it means that any CSTO state can seize someone else’s territory .... and when it comes time to get the teeth on it .... then this state will refer to the CSTO treaty

Exactly. Yes, our National Leader burst once again. But at the moment it is "objective reality, given to us in sensations" (c), is it good or bad. From a military point of view, an alliance with you would be much more beneficial to us. It is enough to look at the Transcaucasian globe to understand this.
But it did not work ... A bunch of ambitions, not supported by common sense on both sides.

[Skarte]

Exactly. Yes, our National Leader once again burst.

I got into the EBN (either I wanted to somehow reunite the fragments of the USSR, or else I was guided by someone else who knows !?), and the current Leader inherited the whole situation (headache, in general).

From a military point of view, an alliance with you would be much more beneficial.

I agree. But as the saying goes "we have what we have"!

[smersh70]

Quote: Spade

Here I am about that. Lord from Azerbaijan fundamentally

Lopatov especially for YOU - like Belarus. And as my fellow countryman - Commenting on how the CIS presiding Belarus intends to contribute to resolving protracted conflicts in this space, A. Lukashenko said: “I’m far from Transnistria as well what is happening in Georgia, Abkhazia, Ossetia, but once I was pulled to plunge into this problem. I once arrived at the invitation of my friends to visit them in the mountains, they showed them to me, and I started a topic with a purely Belarusian approach. What is Nagorno-Karabakh? How do people live there, where do they work? There is no normal life there. I realized that this problem must be solved. I talked with one president, then with another. He explained that the situation could not be this long. The Armenians agreed with me. I talked with Ilham Aliyev, and he said that he also did not mind. I hate the role of mediator, so I proposed this role to Ukraine, but they did not want to. ”

[Pimply]

I say - blurry. And blurry on purpose, so that you can interrupt for any situation and desire.

[Pimply]

Not required. There are too blurry positions.

http://www.odkb-csto.org/documents/detail.php?ELEMENT_ID=124

[Nazim Mursalov]

let it intervene what can we do about it !!! in Iran, another 50 million Azerbaijanis will definitely fight !!!

[xetai9977]

Vurgun, don't you guess, there are people for whom support for Armenia has become a fix idea, for whom the concepts of "territorial integrity", "justice", "logic", "common sense" simply do not exist. So don't react.

[smersh70]

Quote: xetai9977

So don’t react.

Let's do it !!! ..just other comrades read his belaberd)) and if you do not answer, they will think that he is right)))))

[Lopatov]

It’s not good to stoop to naked lies, oh how bad. Even in order to fulfill your main task, propaganda.

For me, the "fix idea" is the support of the Russian Army.

[kNow]

Quote: Spade

At the neighbor in the country, the son at the 102nd base serves ...

102nd is not located in Azerbaijan. So your son’s son will still have a wedding

[smersh70]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

Still hope to fight?

while negotiations are going on ... but negotiations should not go only for negotiations ... but with the goal of signing a peace .... providing for the liberation of the occupied territories .... but we won’t wait for ages and put up with this situation ..
as the Russian proverb says - a rifle hanging on the wall .. and that one will shoot someday)))
Russia did the right thing to restore territorial integrity .. You can, but we can’t chtoli ...
2 proverb - A wedge is kicked out with a wedge

[Artmark]

A strange question, they’re not buying for a museum, but not against Russia!

[nagi]

Smiled a wooden formwork on 8 photos.

[Lopatov]

I was already afraid that they would put new 2C19. Well, you guessed the old stuff. The sun is also correct. I'm afraid of this bad car. On BMP-3- is also possible. And maybe someone will correct me, but in my opinion this is not the "M" version

[kNow]

Quote: Spade

vparit

What vparit? what time do we live? :) if Azerbaijan doesn’t buy very fresh models, it’s only because the new ones are not considered good enough. And the old ones - the same T-72s, for example - are well modernized with the help of Israel ...
No need to exhibit as if Russia again almost threw the buyer :)

[Lopatov]

"Sell"? This is when, having heard enough "the image is nothing, the thirst is everything," you buy a drink that only removes the scale from the kettle.

[Rumi007]

Actually, Msta-S 2S19M1 was delivered to Azerbaijan - the modernization of the MSTA-S self-propelled howitzer. It has fire guidance control equipment - ASUNO "Success-S", which provides automatic aimless guidance and storage of information for at least 10 fire tasks. Caliber 152,4 mm. Azerbaijan wouldn’t buy junk. The fact is that Russia on the world market always always represented exactly the 2S19M1 option, and 30 units of Msta-S 2C19M1 were sold to Venezuela. Azerbaijan has already purchased about 40 pieces of self-propelled guns T-155 Firtin 155 mm caliber. And Msta-S is an addition to the already acquired Firtins.

[Lopatov]

Actually, an artillery ballistic station is installed on the 2S19M1. Which on the machines in the pictures there.
And "ASUNO" Success-S "" does not make sense without a complex of control machines, which Azerbaijan also has ... you yourself will guess. Russia does not have him in the army either.

[Pimply]

They will make modernization with Israeli firms, which is more than likely. Or with the Turks.

[Lopatov]

Do it. And we will sell Iskander to Hamas For fireworks. Well, how not to shoot at a wedding ...

[Pimply]

Shovels. Russia is already selling and selling. PA - small arms and armored personnel carriers, Syria - ATGMs and MANPADS - which were guaranteed to go to Hezbollah, Iran, Algeria, Sudan - and these are countries with which Israel has military conflicts. And they didn’t sell toys. At the same time, Russia supplies arms to Azerbaijan. Is this kindergarten funny for you?

23 countries supplied arms to Georgia. At the request of Russia, only Israel stopped deliveries. But they remember, as the arming side, for some reason only him. Maybe Israel should stop supplying China with arms, and the United States is also potential adversary.

[smersh70]

Quote: Spade

I already was afraid that they will put new 2C19. Well guessed the old stuff

Envy .. ordinary human envy ..... by the way ... comrade Lopatov, and where is yours, friend and comrade-Stoik .. with whom you so zealously did not believe in deliveries and who lost the can of cognac ..

[Semurg]

Quote: smersh70

Quote: Spade

I already was afraid that they will put new 2C19. Well guessed the old stuff

Envy .. ordinary human envy ..... by the way ... comrade Lopatov, and where is yours, friend and comrade-Stoik .. with whom you so zealously did not believe in deliveries and who lost the can of cognac ..

The dispute proposal was cognac versus diesel fuel, but the bet wasn’t accepted?

[smersh70]

Quote: Semurg

The dispute proposal was cognac versus diesel fuel, but the bet wasn’t accepted?

his statement was written in 2 huge works worthy in the spirit of Goebbels propaganda ..on they zealously asserted that there are no supplies ... but in other matters .... there is no light in Armenia ... how can he take a bet .....

[Lopatov]

The new one looks like this:

I was afraid they would sell it. But at least a little brain was enough not to do this.

By the way, about "did not believe". So that I do not believe in the love of silver of our authorities? Would you deign to take your words back?

[Apollo]

Quote: smersh70

Comrade Lopatov, and where is yours, friend and comrade-Stoik.

I welcome you to a colleague.

which one ?! their two, one Stoic http://topwar.ru/user/%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%BA/

and the other Stoik http://topwar.ru/user/Stoik/

[smersh70]

Quote: Apollon

which one ?! there are two, one Stoic

as Yarbai says, there were about 10 of them now 11 appeared

[Aeneas]

and at this time, the Armenians are packed with various MANPADS, cheap and angry.

[xetai9977]

MANPADS will not help with such range.

[Phantom Revolution]

MANPADS against what? Tanks, self-propelled guns, etc.?) Can anti-tank systems?

[xetai9977]

Speech about self-propelled guns naturally.

[Aeneas]

yes ... I'm talking about anti-tank systems, it’s reported a little :)

[smersh70]

Recently, on the line (c) of the ront ... our demonstratively brought the art division to line (c) of the ront with the latest models of equipment and guns .... so in response, the Armenians loaded incendiary and thermobaric charges onto the Gaz-52 body. Even with primitive guides, the center of gravity of the machine has moved up.
For this reason, one of the cars rolled over during demonstrations in front of Azerbaijani soldiers on the front line. .)))) The laughter of our fighters was heard already in Erivan

[Lopatov]

Have you seen it yourself?
Why am I asking: firstly, they have them not on Gas-52, but on GAZ-3308, secondly, the charges are exclusively thermobaric, thirdly, the guides are not primitive, fourthly, the installation is so easy that it can "move the center of gravity "from force per millimeter

[Phantom Revolution]

I found it, but no, the installation is not such that it would outweigh it to such an extent.
Yes, and laughter with laughter, but it will not matter if such a thing arrives or a super modern rocket.

[smersh70]

Quote: Spade

Have you seen it yourself?

by the nature of my activity .. I usually always listened to info, I didn’t need to see

in 2's .. you cite the source ..
in 3 you think that the Gas-3308 will adequately withstand the Sun
in 4's, and in the Sun, in your opinion, there are lemonade charges, or what)))
in 5's, the car just turned over, but at least from the fact that gas ran out)))) ask your outpost friends ..

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: smersh70

in 2's .. you cite the source ..
in 3's you think that Gas-3308 will adequately withstand the Sun laughing
in 4's, and in the Sun, in your opinion, there are lemonade charges, or what)))
in 5's, the car just turned over, but at least from the fact that gas ran out)))) ask your outpost friends ..

It is dangerous to underestimate your enemy, even with the previous advantage in favor of Azerbaijan in the 90s, you actually did not achieve any success.
Regarding the confrontation, well, no matter how they can oppose each other, this is a system of roughly speaking the near radius and they will not shoot at each other, but all the characteristics speak against the Armenian system.
Starting from the lesion area to the range.

[smersh70]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

It is dangerous to underestimate your enemy, even with the previous advantage in favor of Azerbaijan in the 90s, you actually did not achieve any success.

I agree with the first argument!
there was no preponderance with the second ... this is all speculation .. I gave an example — only on the condition of December 19991 of the year in the USSR Armed Forces there were 10000 senior officers-Armenians, then ours were only 2000, including junior officers ....
when there was a massacre in Khojaly ... the Armenians, under the leadership of Seyran Ohanyan, already had 1 SMB equipment, 366 regiment .. and this was before 92 Tashkent, when they started dividing the property .... but with this we were given equipment and weapons ... I hope you guess ....

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: smersh70

there was no preponderance with the second ... this is all speculation .. I gave an example — only on the condition of December 19991 of the year in the USSR Armed Forces there were 10000 senior officers-Armenians, then ours were only 2000, including junior officers ....
when there was a massacre in Khojaly ... the Armenians, under the leadership of Seyran Ohanyan, already had 1 SMB equipment, 366 regiment .. and this was before 92 Tashkent, when they started dividing the property .... but with this we were given equipment and weapons ... I hope you guess ....

Those who are unsure of their strength will not start a war. Apparently overestimated their capabilities without checking everything. Regarding the imperfect state, both you and the Armenians supplied the equipment in not very good condition, and there were direct sabotages. But there were fewer Armenians, and even so there are fewer, perhaps a qualitative superiority was on the side of Armenia.

[smersh70]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

perhaps a qualitative advantage was on the side of Armenia.

HERE YOU and another answer --- In an interview with the Yerevan newspaper New Time, the ex-head of the Presidential Administration of Russia in 1993-1996, and now chairman of the Moscow Writers Union, Sergey Filatov admitted that he has Armenian roots and that he exerted assistance to the Karabakh separatists in the war against Azerbaijan. Thus, he once again confirmed Azerbaijan’s data on assistance to the Armenian separatists, which Russia provided at the state level.


So, according to S. Filatov, his mother is an Armenian by nationality, Maria Arutyunovna Arushanyan.


“For the first time, I arrived in Armenia on September 1 of the 91st year after the Emergency Committee, when a referendum was announced here. Of course, I was stunned by the joy that was here. I felt subcutaneously that it was an unreal joy. After this joy, very bitter disappointments will follow. But, nevertheless, I traveled a lot of places, visited the Armenian relatives. The second time I came by invitation at a high level, when the first "elections" were in Nagorno-Karabakh. Karabakh was engulfed in war. I met with Levon Ter-Petrosyan, with Robert Kocharyan, as far as I could, helping with fuel and armored vehicles. I did not help Karabakh because I was Armenian, but in order for justice to triumph. Of course, by that time I had studied and revised a lot of materials, I even wrote an article in Friendship of Peoples, which I didn’t accept - they were afraid, they said that it was very one-sided, and they were afraid of a response from Azerbaijan.


... For the sake of some political things, Stalin changed the configuration, gave away the areas, especially when there were migrations of many peoples to Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan. Stalin really did not like Armenia. Driving here with Svetlana in a car, I once threw such a phrase that "everything must be done so that this people are not here."
... Our historical need and duty to help Armenia. And now Nagorno-Karabakh stuck with everyone, like a bone in the throat: if you move here, it will be bad, if you move here, it will also be bad. And naturally, one may ask, why did Russia so quickly resolve the issue with Abkhazia and South Ossetia? Because there is nobody behind it. And here, behind this problem are countries that can seriously inhibit other processes. Therefore, it is a very long and difficult process, ”S. Filatov said.

[Lopatov]

Quote: smersh70

by the nature of my activity .. I usually always listened to info, I didn’t need to see

Write to this source that you need to write more believable. With "Solntsepёkami" it is necessary to fight not with things like N-1, but with conventional anti-tank systems. It is not for nothing that they are so reluctant to put them into service with the RA.

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: Spade

Write to this source that you need to write more believable. With "Solntsepёkami" it is necessary to fight not with things like N-1, but with conventional anti-tank systems. It is not for nothing that they are so reluctant to put them into service with the RA.

TOS-suns do not have the task of being able to knock him out of the ATGM, all the more so since it is not so easy to do at a distance of 6 km, more precisely, it is unlikely. And they’re not so willing to buy it, because we have enough 13 pieces and other systems, so far we are not going to Afghanistan, we won’t fight in the mountains either, there are no enemies, and if they appear, they will cope with a bang and other systems. The system has its own peculiarities.

[Lopatov]

Do you think the Azerbaijanis, unlike ours, will guess to put them into service with artillery units? Fresh giving, but hard to believe. So only trash, only semi-direct aiming.

[smersh70]

Quote: Spade

Do you think the Azerbaijanis, unlike ours, will guess to put them into service with artillery units?

we will take into account your wishes

[Phantom Revolution]

I think we took into account the experience of the Chechen war, where the TOS showed itself very well.

[Lopatov]

I saw it "not bad". In Komsomolsk. It was not for nothing that I said that I was afraid of this kaku, dangerous not only for the enemy.

[Phantom Revolution]

Well, as it were, the thing is powerful .... And s-300 again, but I hope that there are bookmarks in case of a conflict with us. Well, again, shells for the same TOS or c-300 must be bought from someone, we will definitely not sell them in case of war, although this is encouraging)
Yes, and I think as long as we are in Armenia, there will be no war, although Azerbaijan is arming itself, but with the Russian military potential it cannot win and may lose even more than it had.
But in fact, I hope that we have something to answer on that base. No wonder it is rearming.

[Lopatov]

When you see how the rocket of this "powerful thing" leaves its trajectory, and, tumbling, flies to the left, in your direction, the impressions are indescribable. In the beginning, you remember your whole life, and after that - the developers, those who collected, those who apply, their relatives up to the third generation ...

[smersh70]

Quote: Spade

, tumbling, flies to the left, in your direction - indescribable impressions

Well, if you are still at the computer .. why bother developers

[Lopatov]

Flew in my direction, and therefore I have the right. Why are they better than flamethrowers who just over their ears from the infantry did not get their offspring for fortels?

[smersh70]

Quote: Spade

Flew in my direction, and therefore I have the right. H

probably you .. trehobemny)))))))
but seriously ... don’t worry, ours will fly in the right direction and in the right direction, in the direction of the smell of cognac

[Artmark]

Dear there will be no war until Russia wants this!

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: ArtMark

Dear there will be no war until Russia wants this! hi

I do not quite agree here, at least it will not let me flare up in a full-scale war.

[tun1313]

Damn and why, why, obviously, not for the fight against chemical weapons.

[smersh70]

Quote: tun1313

Damn and why, why, obviously, not for the fight against chemical weapons.

for smoking individual centers of resistance .. left behind the rear of the advancing troops of Azerbaijan. in the mountains of Karabakh ...

[dc120mm]

Sereznaya technique! What will the Armenians say?

[Phantom Revolution]

By re-equipping the Russian military base in Armenia, well, they themselves seem to be re-arming only even slowly, in the news at least I didn’t see much. Maybe they will dedicate the Armenian forum users.

[smersh70]

The Azerbaijanian tsev have Junkers 88 and Heinkels 111 ???
If so, then the gun is the most suitable!
Judging by the thick layer of rust on the tracks and the growing grass under MTLB - the technique is not fighting.
The guys just gently stroking it for metal)))))

[Artmark]

And the Armenians will tell PEACE PEACE !!! Everything will be OK !!

[Vtel]

The mustache is ready for the military division of Karabakh. It remains to bring a match, and this is the Western "friends" will try.

[experienced]

Quote: Vtel

The mustache is ready for the military division of Karabakh. It remains to bring a match, and this is the Western "friends" will try.

There will be no "division", NK will either go entirely to Azerbaijan, or Armenia will have a completely weak chance of Autonomy, but also IN WHOLE. It seems to me that the supply of Russian arms to Azerbaijan is a hint to Armenia, which through its lobby is trying to enlist the support of the United States. IMHO
I advise you not to be deceived about the "reliable allies of the Armenians"

[xetai9977]

Greetings, Alex! And colleagues do not read Armenian sites. Sometimes it would not hurt. You will learn a lot about yourself!

[experienced]

Quote: xetai9977

And colleagues do not read Armenian sites. Sometimes it would not hurt. You will learn a lot about yourself!

Well, this is not an indicator, but rather modern realities. It is unpleasant to realize, but the attitude towards Russia is at best neutral-wary, and in most cases hostile. Maybe they cannot forgive the "blood" of the rupture, for some reason Russia is most often considered to be the culprit of the collapse of the USSR, it may be unpleasant that "the power is growing", and we are not drinking ...
Personally, I don’t want Russian guys to spill blood in their war. And your (Armenian-Azerbaijani dismantling) is not the foothold on which the Russians should die IMHO
The Armenians use Russia, but this does not mean that they are allies of Russia or the conductors of its interests, it is just that now this "friendship" is beneficial to them and nothing more.

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: seasoned

The Armenians use Russia, but this does not mean that they are allies of Russia or the conductors of its interests, it is just that now this "friendship" is beneficial to them and nothing more.

I agree, but you forget the CSTO treaty, which Russia will be obligated to support Armenia, alas, Azerbaijan has withdrawn from it, so there will not be a precedent and will have to prove it not by word of will. And the fact that pumping the same Azerbaijan with arms is beneficial for us, because in case of a rarefied situation, Armenia will change course in the direction of the EU, this is quite possible.
There are two options, either we leave and give the Karabakh to Azerbaijan, but don’t be fooled that Azerbaijan will become our friend after that, and all the more so, as a result, we will lose our status, reputation, the CSTO will cease to exist and we will receive a center of tension in the Caucasus, already aimed at us.

Either Azerbaijan is the first to attack, then we will have to intervene, and either Armenia will move away or it will continue to be independent.

[experienced]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

I agree, but you forget the CSTO treaty, which Russia will be obliged to support Armenia,

Armenia, but not NK. If it does "blaze" then in NK, no one plans to seize Yerevan. In my opinion, the CSTO does not meet the conditions that were imposed on it when it was created.
Belarus said that no Belarusian soldier would not fight on foreign territory.
The armies of the other participants are weak, they reinforce the "guards" who protect the beys, and the armies are worse than the Soviet construction battalion. And hardly anyone will provide units for participation in the CSTO missions, rather they will single out what they themselves do not need. Remember the 1st assault on Grozny and how, by order of the Ministry of Defense, "volunteers" were collected from all the Armed Forces, and as a result, incomplete equipment and "violators of combat and political training" ... Not a single normal commander will send good soldiers, he needs them himself, they will send understand).
CSTO is now an opportunity to cheaply buy Russian equipment and nothing more. IMHO

[Lopatov]

Georgia attacked the territory of the Russian Federation? Tried to take Moscow?
No.
Then why did we bring troops into the territory of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and being guided by the state’s right to self-defense?

[experienced]

Quote: Spade

Georgia attacked the territory of the Russian Federation? Trying to capture Moscow? Then why did we bring troops into the territory of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, moreover, guided by the state’s right to self-defense?

It’s strange to explain common truths to you, but there was an attack on Russian peacekeepers and do not forget about a large% of Russians in Abkhazia and South Ossetia

[Lopatov]

Quote: seasoned

but there was an attack on Russian peacekeepers

Oh, the correct answer. An attack on units of the country's armed forces is an act of aggression against the country.

Then the next question: are there divisions of the Armenian army on the territory of NK?

[smersh70]

Quote: Spade

Assault on Aircraft Units

if it goes like this ... then every large state should issue its passports to any citizen and say that we are defending its citizens ... and is it justification for aggression against another state that some sort of aerial bombardment fell into the position of peacekeepers ....
as Hitler did in 39 .... in connection with the attack on a German radio station, starting the war .... Bravo, Lopatin. !!!!!!!!!!.

[Lopatov]

Quote: smersh70

. That means every large state must issue any citizens their passports

What's the passport here?

[smersh70]

Quote: Spade

What's the passport here?

how)) don’t pretend to be)) tomorrow give passports to any citizens of any state. and tell me - we are protecting Russian (American, Polish, etc., etc.) citizens .....

[Lopatov]

Passports - left thing. We are talking about military units.

[Apollo]

Quote: Spade

Then the next question: are there divisions of the Armenian army on the territory of NK?

short yes.

[Lopatov]

And that's why we are likely opponents. And that is precisely why I am against the sale of arms to your country.
And I am afraid that your politicians, having not solved this big problem, will decide to return NK. Which will lead to a regional war, because Russia, and probably Turkey, will be dragged into the conflict.

I hope that adequate people in your country understand this.

I am not against Azerbaijanis, I am not against Armenians. I do not respect the actions of Armenia as a state, I do not like the actions of your authorities, which purposefully lead Azerbaijan to a war fraught with unpredictable consequences. In this I see a huge problem, a powder keg around which a bunch of high-ranking idiots with lighters jump. Ours, yours, Armenian, other ...

After all, as usual, people are paying for the mistakes of any authorities in any country. And first of all, Ali, Armen da Ivan with shoulder straps. And I don’t want to see this at all.

I took the kid home for the last time. Not his own, thank God, he returned all his mothers. His commander in Vladik was lying around in intensive care, and the NSh regiment caught me. I would advise all "hawks" to visit my skin.

That, in fact, was all that I wanted to write.

[smersh70]

Quote: Spade

That, in fact, was all that I wanted to write.

YOU, dear Lopatov ... companion Prokhanov slang .... a feeling that he is speaking ....

[Lopatov]

I'll find, read, thanks. True, he heard from the Communists. Not really my ideology.

[Pimply]

Lopatov wrote very sound things, by the way. Prokhanov here does not smell.

[experienced]

Quote: Pimply

Lopatov wrote very sound things, by the way. Prokhanov here does not smell.

He answered very well yesterday in a different topic, but as a military man he is well done, but in political matters he is a user. IMHO
And I still do not accept militarists, I myself was thrown into my own time ... I will not forgive, I do not want to be repeated
They’ll attack Russia, Ukraine, I’ll go to war myself, but fire on the Caucasus (not Russian), I had enough experience

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Pimply

Lopatov wrote very sound things, by the way. Prokhanov here does not smell.

That's for sure. I lost my first comrade in September 96 at Tsomet Netzarim. His mother was still at the funeral, and his older sister just howled. And then in 2001, and in 2002 three. Bolkonsky seems to have said: "War is a dirty business." And I would say the worst of all human sins.

[Pacifist]

Because, in accordance with the union agreement, the right of autonomies to join any associations is determined by referendum. The data of these repeated referenda by the Georgian government were ignored and she tried to solve these issues by military means. For what I repeatedly received a wort of tinsel ... in 2008, apparently bored, having gone on about the owners, we decided to try again ... Neither historically nor politically, Georgia has no rights to these territories. The rest is wishful thinking.

[Lopatov]

This is the tenth thing. The use of force by Russia was based on the country's right to self-defense. Georgians made a huge mistake - committed an act of aggression against Russian peacekeepers

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: seasoned

Armenia, but not NK. If it does "blaze" then in NK, no one plans to seize Yerevan.

Again, Armenia will intervene in this conflict 100% and we will not have to calm both sides. And with the increased military power of Azerbaijan, it will be necessary to carry out an operation to force peace. If we stupidly bring it to nothing, under the pretext that they say this is not Armenia’s territory and you yourself if you want to fight, then again an American base will appear in Armenia, instead of ours, because again Karabakh binds us.
Well, how can I say the CSTO is a crude project, but still it is fully developing and of course I understand that Russia is the main locomotive. But the same CSTO makes a "buffer" at the Russian borders, not like under the USSR, but it will also work.

[Artmark]

And if in Karabakh they hold a referendum to join Russia ????

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: ArtMark

And if in Karabakh they hold a referendum to join Russia ????

We don’t need it this time, the second one will not do this, first you lose more than you gain, the second if this territory had strategic importance, it would long ago become independent, and this is just a stumbling block between Armenia and Azerbaijan and no more. Like Transnistria, which by the way wanted to join the Russian Federation sometime. Even if a conflict occurs, most likely Russia will leave this question and spread it in the corners.

[smersh70]

Quote: ArtMark

And if in Karabakh they hold a referendum to join Russia ????

if every part of the people starts referenda on joining, then what will it be and where is the Helsinki Treaty of 75 years.
by the way so spend in Los Angeles ... in Akhalkalaki ... in Rostov-on-Don ... in France ... there are many of you too ..
and in the 3rd - take it higher - let's immediately join Mars .... you will be the first and independent there ....

[Apollo]

Quote: seasoned

There will be no "division", NK will either go entirely to Azerbaijan, or Armenia will have a completely weak chance of Autonomy, but also IN WHOLE. It seems to me that the supply of Russian arms to Azerbaijan is a hint to Armenia, which through its lobby is trying to enlist the support of the United States. IMHO
I advise you not to be deceived about the "reliable allies of the Armenians"

I welcome Alex
When the USSR was in office, the first secretary of the regional party committee was always a person of Armenian nationality, the second secretary of either Russian or Azerbaijani nationality.

The leadership of Azerbaijan has repeatedly proposed and offers the widest autonomy that exists only in world practice. Moreover, Azerbaijan agrees that the person of Armenian nationality should remain at the head of this high-level autonomy. Azerbaijan is getting richer every day, that is, of Armenian ethnicity and their children can take advantage of all the benefits. Moreover, Azerbaijan, even now, can invest in the economy of Karabakh billions Everyone will win. The rhetorical question is what else is needed ?!

[experienced]

Quote: Apollon

When the USSR was in office, the first secretary of the regional party committee was always a person of Armenian nationality, the second secretary of either Russian or Azerbaijani nationality.

Welcome ! I’ll add a little that in the event of any nationalistic manifestations (if the KGB had slammed their ears) in a matter of hours, order would be restored, the nearest military unit + police would be raised. Now this will not work. And so earlier in all republics the Second Secretary was usually Russian.

Quote: Apollon

. Rhetorical question what else is needed ?!

Come on honestly Someone does not make bad money on this, there has always been "To whom the war, and to whom the mother is dear", there and then weapons and money, do not care about the people and their welfare. IMHO
Any ordinary Saratov, Novosibirsk, Tula from the Armenian-Azerbaijani "showdown" is not warm, not cold, moreover, everyone will be against his son being thrown "into the heat." What is Lopatov so happy about involving Russia in another war, let it remain on his conscience?

[Apollo]

Quote: seasoned

Come on honestly Someone makes good money on this, there has always been "Who is the war, and who is the mother", there and then weapons and money, the people and their welfare do not care. IMHO

Ah Alexey, Alexey, you look into the water, alas ............ ten.

[Lopatov]

Am I advocating? I just understand that this is inevitable. That's all.

[experienced]

Quote: Spade

Am I advocating?

Reread your comments

Quote: Spade

I just understand that this is inevitable

Glory to B .. it doesn’t depend on your understanding and desire

Quote: Spade

That's all.

I suggest you not to go into the Armenian-Azerbaijani topics to maintain your moral health. And all

[Lopatov]

Quote: seasoned

I suggest you not to go into the Armenian-Azerbaijani topics to maintain your moral health

You better not offer me anything.

[JonnyT]

what can I say, New technology blinds the eye with its beauty. Whether it is right or wrong to arm Azerbaijan will judge time. Of course, I hope that this technique will not shoot at either Russian or Armenians, not Azerbaijanis, all the same, we have a lot in common - in the past)

Probably a very large diaspora from Azerbaijan helped push their deal in Moscow (and indeed in Russia).

[Kars]

Read the contract. What on what and under what conditions they put it.

[experienced]

Quote: Kars

Read the contract. What on what and under what conditions they put it.

I am pleased with your sense of humor Thank you for not asking about the size of kickbacks.

[Kars]

Quote: seasoned

what about the size of rollbacks do not ask

Well, it doesn’t really interest me to consider other people's money.

At the same time, something suspects me that something is unclean there. But here I am too biased.

Yes, by the way - you were probably gone.

[experienced]

Quote: Kars

Yes, by the way - you were probably gone.

Circumstances
It’s strange that they didn’t forget

[Yeraz]

It’s good to hear about such deliveries, otherwise they gave a loan to buy, they gave it to them, they wrote off to others .. finally the goods = real money.
As they say Al gulum ver gulum

[xetai9977]

And Azerbaijan ALWAYS paid in cash. Unlike our neighbors, which does not pay at all.

[ayyildiz]

Buying weapons on 4 billion bol

[Free]

Technique, what you need! Good luck to use.

[xetai9977]

Thank you for your wishes!!!

[Geokingxnumx]

interesting )
great technique



the situation reminds 90)))

[alan_07]

Quote: GEOKING95

as well as an even stronger image of Russia as a reliable supplier of high-tech quality weapons.

Interestingly, but the fact that we threw Iran and Syria at the moment, as they say? If we, as a reliable supplier of high-tech high-quality weapons, would fulfill our contract since 2009, then what is happening in the Middle East might not have happened !!!

[sergey72]

Knocking on revenge drums and buying glands is in every way cheaper than solving everyday problems of a million refugees.

[smersh70]

Quote: sergey72

everyday problems of a million refugees.

In total, in the 2001-2009 years, on allocated funds worth 646,1 million manats of the State Oil Fund (612,9 million manats) and other sources (33,2 million manats) for 18190 families - 81,8 , 63 refugees and internally displaced persons, 10168 villages and private houses with a living area of ​​2 m123 were built, as well as 4 secondary schools, 37 music schools, 45 kindergartens, 33 medical institutions, 542 communication houses, 645 km of roads, 1007 km were laid - water supply, 81,5 km - air-electric, 33,1 km - gas, 1,27 km - sewer, 11 km - heating lines, on the area irrigation works were carried out in 537 hectares, 256 transformers of various capacities were constructed - See more at: http://garabagh.net/content_0_en.html#sthash.9kpr5JXNUMXt.dpuf
A working meeting between the Georgian Minister for Refugees from the Occupied Territories and Settlement David Darakhvelidze and Deputy Minister Nino Chavchavadze with the Azerbaijani Ambassador to Georgia Azer Huseyn was held, Trend said during a meeting with the situation of refugees and internally displaced persons in Azerbaijan. The parties agreed that Darakhvelidze will be invited to Azerbaijan to familiarize himself with the situation on the spot.
In turn, Darakhvelidze noted that Azerbaijan’s experience in this matter is very interesting for Georgia.

Azerbaijan has managed to solve the housing problem of refugees, the minister said.

"There are also successes in the country in terms of employment of refugees, especially in villages. The State Committee for Refugees and Internally Displaced Persons functions in Azerbaijan. Unlike our organization, this is a slightly different structure. We want to better get acquainted with Azerbaijan's experience," Darakhvelidze said. ...
In 2012, in the direction of solving the social problems of refugees and internally displaced persons, 6 new housing complexes were laid in Azerbaijan, 22765 internally displaced persons (4553 families) were relocated to new homes, 6 schools for 3300 pupils were built

[sergey72]

It’s been solved for 103 thousand, but how much is left, are you talking about a million refugees? And I apologize - how did it turn out that surpassing the Armenians in everything (weapons, army size, population) did you find yourself in this situation? Isn't it better to spend the money spent on armor on people?

[smersh70]

Quote: sergey72

For 103 thousand solved, but how much is left

but it would not be better to return the refugees to their homes ... after all, they have the right to it.

this is the data for 2009 ... total to date 3 billion manats (1 manat-1 euro) have been spent, but there are problems. no one denies .....

why did your grandfather sit at the machine for 19 hours during the Second World War .. like my grandfather .. according to your words. why such torment was necessary ... difficulties, it would be necessary to conclude an agreement with Hitler and all the funds of the USSR should be directed to the arrangement of Leningrad, Moscow, Kiev, Minsk refugees in Central Asia and the Caucasus .... .

[sergey72]

Well, why so juggle with our grandfathers!

[sergey72]

Quote: smersh70

Quote: sergey72

For 103 thousand solved, but how much is left

but it would not be better to return the refugees to their homes ... after all, they have the right to it.

this is the data for 2009 ... total to date 3 billion manats (1 manat-1 euro) have been spent, but there are problems. no one denies .....

why did your grandfather sit at the machine for 19 hours during the Second World War .. like my grandfather .. according to your words. why such torment was necessary ... difficulties, it would be necessary to conclude an agreement with Hitler and all the funds of the USSR should be directed to the arrangement of Leningrad, Moscow, Kiev, Minsk refugees in Central Asia and the Caucasus .... .

HERE agrees with the first lines ... And now, figure out how much they spent at the same time, for the second line. And for the third, God is your judge.

[Pimply]

Those that were their own have been leveled for a long time. When this return takes place - no one knows. And whether it will take place. Will everyone come back - etc.

[xetai9977]

Sergey And lose the remaining 80% of the territory? It’s not from a good life that one has to spend huge sums of money on the army. We don’t want to find ourselves in the early 90s again.

[Gooch]

DANCE PONUS! :)

[Gooch]

Why tank tanks without side screens?

[sergey72]

If you had built such a life as in the picture in the comment, then Karabakh CAM would have rushed to you! Now the rest: Russia will fight with Azerbaijan, if only because taking Karabakh back you won’t be able to stop. At some point, there will be euphoria and the temptation to make final payments for earlier grievances, and other players will come into play there. And not
tell me that I'm wrong, listen carefully to Elham Aliyev. Yes, and the United States will not let it stop
Turkey

[Gooch]

Quote: sergey72

At some point, there will be euphoria and the temptation to make final calculations for earlier grievances, and there other players will come into play.

[Lopatov]

Nobody will run anywhere. National issues are a very difficult thing

[smersh70]

Quote: sergey72

If you built a life like in the picture in the comment

this is not a picture ... these are real houses .... in our Ganja (Kirovabad), right now, about 15 nine-story buildings are being built at the entrance ... with schools ... a hospital ... free with all the bells and whistles .... the euro is at all ... but most importantly, refugees, they say, thank you to the state .... but we want to go back to our homes .... to the land of our ancestors ... let's go barefoot ... we will negotiate peace ... well, but if not .. let's go all ... under the bullet ... with the whole family .... it is better to die than live in a foreign land ...

[ayyildiz]

Vurgun efendi on how many tanks did you conclude a contract?

[smersh70]

Quote: ayyildiz

Vurgun efendi on how many tanks did you conclude a contract?

Yarbai says, at 200 ... here .. passed in (in) and at 100. pieces .... my version is 1 battalion (31 tanks)
here in the video on the highway counted 18 pieces
and the exact amount is known by Stoik and Armenian intelligence ...

[ayyildiz]

Quote: smersh70

and the exact amount is known by Stoik and Armenian intelligence

Thank you made me laugh at night!

[GP]

Quote: sergey72

Now the rest: Russia will fight with Azerbaijan, if only because taking Karabakh back you won’t be able to stop.

You would look at the map where the NKR is located, so there is nowhere to scatter, so much so as not to stop.

[smersh70]

Quote: GP

Would you look at the map r

We don’t need an alien .... we would have to win our own back ... and all .... and we ask you to go for the race .. The Karabakh horses are one of the most famous ... (by the way, our neighbors whistled everything - food, music .. dances .... but for some reason they cannot breed Karabakh horses)

[ed65b]

Today, I promised not to troll either Armenians or Azerbaijanis. may this technique please the eye with beauty and power in parades and exercises. And all other issues are resolved through negotiations. even the most unsolvable. And we rejoice at successes and worry about each other's failures.
I say goodbye to sim for today.

[experienced]

Quote: ed65b

And we rejoice at successes and worry about each other's failures.

Only +

[smersh70]

Quote: ed65b

I say goodbye to sim for today.

Quote: ed65b

I say goodbye to sim for today.

Quote: ed65b

I say goodbye to sim for today.

the first time I put YOU +

[viktoxz]

people you have not heard that the entire database of Internet users has been leaked to the network with open access! There is all the information from personal photos and videos to personal correspondence and copies of documents. There you can of course delete your data if you do not want everyone to see them. Here is the link- http://addr.pk/a619a

[Pimply]

Aviation. In order to move to some more or less serious level, you need at least 100-150 strike fighters of the F-16, Mig-29 or Su-27 type. Moreover, the former are preferable due to the wider range of precision weapons.

Without this, everything else will lose its meaning.

[Gooch]

The MiG-29 doesn’t count :) And it’s better to pieces 30-50 - F15, they will make the weather in any quantity, but considering their cost, this is fantastic .. But instead of the MiG, the Mirage 2000 will be much more successful.

[Pimply]

Mirages 2000 is an obsolete car. Then Rafali. Mig-29 - perhaps yes.

[ayyildiz]

Pimply
What about gripfen NG, what can you say?

[Pimply]

It won’t work. Azerbaijan needs no one to intervene in its mess with Armenia. And that means powerful air force. Gripen is not bad for local operations. But for a possible confrontation in the air against a serious adversary - no, or in order to convince that the introduction of troops would be too expensive a venture.

Therefore, Azerbaijan will need fighter jets, and AWACS aircraft will be required. And all this - in decent quantities. 3-4 annual defense budgets.

[smersh70]

Quote: Pimply

Gripen not bad for local operations

we want it for local operations .... and Mig-29 in the amount of 15 pieces is in version 4 ++ .... it’s true with whom to fight for air superiority ... Armenians have 1 Mig-25. which is barely flies ... and a couple of attack aircraft .. and the rest .. one of Yaki and An-2

[Pimply]

Azerbaijan has air superiority. Because Armenia has virtually nothing. The question is that Azerbaijan does not just need superiority, it needs a guarantee that in the event of a clash with Armenia they will not get to it. And water for this needs a powerful air force. Those that would guarantee a certain situation: the fact that with Azerbaijan, even with the Air Force, in many respects superior to its aviation in number, they simply will not want to get in touch.

[smersh70]

Quote: Pimply

Then Rafali. Mig-29 - perhaps yes.

Next time, we will already agree with Russia on the sale of the SU-34 ... Poghosyan will not sell .... We will ask Dvorkovich if he has an Azerbaijani wife, or AST Telman, he will build another Mardan Palace in Sochi ... .so we have a diaspora ...

[Gooch]

Quote: Pimply

Mirages 2000 is an obsolete car. Then Rafali. Mig-29 - perhaps yes.

So the Su-27 is not a new machine) like the F-16, it's just that they are much cheaper than such "Rolls Royces" aircraft industry as the F15, Rafaley, Su-35, Typhoons, moreover they can be used in multipurpose operations, the F16 can do anything, if properly equipped)

[Pimply]

The question is in the nomenclature of weapons.

[bomg.77]

I think Putin started a big game. All of the weapons supplied to Azerbaijan put him to sleep and creates the illusion that Russia is for Azerbaijan to regain its integrity. And when he begins military operations, Russia will enter the CSTO treaty and may even occupy it! roughly speaking, this is just a provocation. If someone says that Karabakh is the territory of Azerbaijan and the treaty does not work here, then this is also done simply by deploying the guns of Armenia and fumbling around Yerevan and the whole treaty will enter into force!

[ayyildiz]

Quote: bomg.77

about Yerevan and the whole contract comes into force!

There, other agreements will also come into force!

Quote: bomg.77

And when he begins hostilities Russia will enter under the CSTO treaty and may even occupy

It will not be so easy to occupy, whoever will necessarily intercede for Azerbaijan!

[bomg.77]

As for the occupation, it most likely will not come to this, it was an option, but as to intercede, they did it with Georgia, they can only help in information!

[smersh70]

On June 15, social networks posted photos of unloading tanks and other equipment for the ground forces under the port, which, according to forum visitors, can be shown during the parade in honor of Azerbaijan Armed Forces Day in Baku on June 26. Two sources in the Russian defense industry have confirmed to Vedomosti that the photos are genuine and reflect the process of deliveries of ground military equipment that began in the spring under a package of contracts with Azerbaijan concluded in 2011-2012.


As Vesti.Az reports, according to the Vedomosti interlocutor, we are talking about contracts for three battalions (94 units) of T-90S tanks, about three battalions (about 100 units) of infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3, a division (18 units) Msta-S self-propelled artillery installations, Smerch multiple launch rocket launcher systems (18 launchers), Vienna’s self-propelled artillery division (18 units) and TOS-6A heavy flamethrower systems (1 units) Solntsepek "(a new modification of the Pinocchio system).
Complete with tanks, armored repair and evacuation vehicles BREM-1М and engineering machines for unlocking the IMR-3М based on T-90 are purchased, and all the necessary machines for shooting maintenance and control are purchased for the guns and launchers of the RSZO. At the same time, T-90С tanks are purchased in the most advanced serial configuration currently available, including a new modification of the Blind optical-electronic suppression system, air conditioning and automatic target tracking. According to the Vedomosti interlocutor, in addition to contracts, there are options for tanks and artillery systems, in particular, an option for 94 T-90С.
Judging by the nomenclature, the total cost of the contracted systems along with ammunition can be at least $ 700 million, and possibly about $ 1 billion, a source in the Russian Ministry of Defense estimates.
This is not the first large package of arms contracts between Russia and Azerbaijan. In 2010-2011 The contracts for the supply of two divisions of S-300PMU-2 anti-aircraft missile systems, several batteries of the Tor-2ME anti-aircraft missile systems, 60 Mi-17 transport helicopters and 24 Mi attack helicopters were concluded and practically completed. -35M totaling nearly $ 3 billion.
Any Russian supply of weapons to Azerbaijan, even on a commercial basis, causes a nervous and painful reaction in Armenia not only in society, but also in the elite, but this reaction does not take into account the fact that Armenia buys weapons from Russia at Russian prices and weapons supplies go to Russian sales to Azerbaijan, indicates the leading IMEMO researcher Alexander Krylov. Supplies to Azerbaijan allow Russia to keep the country under its influence and reduce Baku’s purchases on the international market, Krylov said.

[smersh70]

Armenia began to blackmail Russia..LIVED ....
ArmRosgazprom to Gazprom, the latest armored vehicles to Azerbaijan, the choice is Armenia
Alexander Gareginain
Today, a number of media outlets yelled in an unheard-of cry: it turns out that in the office of Gazprom’s head Miller, the local energy minister was discussing the possibility of increasing Gazprom’s stake in ArmRosGazprom to 100%, while Azerbaijan allegedly received the latest armored vehicles from Russia for a billion dollars.
In general, the arrogance and cynicism of those who have such news are outrageous. And their behavior and way of thinking, so destructive for Armenia, should provoke indignation. And in this regard, I would like to express several considerations. The sale of weapons to Azerbaijan is a favorite topic of the local Russophobic Westerners and grant-eaters. They have never seen their indignation at the Israeli arms deliveries to Azerbaijan, either American or European. And when air defense systems of the 70-80s of the last century and armored vehicles of not the first freshness come from Russia, they will definitely write here that "Russian tanks will shoot at Karabakh."

Actually, the entire Armenian political elite, including the specialist in "self-determination" Paruyr Hayrikyan, should decide: either we’ll go to the West and get a donut hole and lose Russia as a strategic ally, or we’ll go to our native civilization environment and lose the hole from a donut, but in return we receive Russia as a strategic partner and provide ourselves with genuine guarantees of genuine security in this dangerous and unpredictable world. READ SHOVELS !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ayyildiz]

As I understand it, Firtina also bought!

[smersh70]

Azerbaijan shows interest in military transport aircraft C-27J “Spartan” and combat training aircraft M-346 “Master” manufactured by the Italian company Alenia Aermacchi.


As Vesti.Az reports with reference to azeridefence.com, representatives of Azerbaijan have already attended several tests of these aircraft several times and were satisfied.


Currently, negotiations are underway on the purchase of these aircraft. According to company representatives, there are no problems with the supply of these aircraft to Azerbaijan, and they can be useful for the development of aviation technology by Azerbaijani pilots as part of a program to modernize the military aviation fleet.

[Nazim Mursalov]

Skarte,
CSTO is only on the sheet .... fortunately, Belarusians and Kazakhs are not so illiterate to attack the AR, but with regards to the RA, it itself will provoke the AR to hit the territory of the ally under the agreement