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Azerbaijani tanks T-90, SAU Msta-S, TOC-1A "Solntsek" and new BMP-3M.

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Russian-Azerbaijani tank A contract for the supply of about 200 T-90S tanks has been successfully completed. This was recently announced in the Azerbaijani media the other day - the brand new T-90S tanks will participate in the parade of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan, which will be held on June 26 this year - in two weeks. Moreover, according to Azerbaijani sources, the 2C19 Msta-S self-propelled howitzers, TOS-1A Solntsepyok, new BMP-3M and many more will also take part in this parade. Thus, we should note the strengthening of relations between Russia and Azerbaijan in the field of military-technical cooperation, as well as the even stronger image of Russia as a reliable supplier of high-tech, high-quality weapons.








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  1. Edward72
    Edward72 17 June 2013 06: 03 New
    +8
    And when in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation they will deliver novies or, as always, according to the residual principle.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 17 June 2013 06: 10 New
      13
      Good morning everybody hi

      TOS-1A "Sun" is a modification of the heavy flamethrower system "Pinocchio". It was developed in 2001. The main objective of the system is to support infantry and armored units.

      The TOS-1 "Pinocchio" heavy flamethrower system is designed to destroy enemy manpower and lightly armored vehicles by using rockets with warheads of thermobaric, incendiary and other actions.



      1. Apollo
        Apollo 17 June 2013 06: 13 New
        +2
        3M infantry fighting vehicle
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 17 June 2013 15: 24 New
          0
          I looked a little disappointed about the BMP-3M, everything is very good in armament, but with the protection of the car, it’s not clear, firstly nothing is said about it, secondly for some reason the car’s body is copied from the American Bradley, earlier BMP-1 BMP-2 there was slanted armor, which at least somehow reduced the possibility of penetration, but this one had vertical, generally without a slope .. a strange decision by the designers. And there is no active defense, there would be at least an arena there to protect from grenade launchers.
          1. Rider
            Rider 17 June 2013 19: 10 New
            0
            Quote: DEfindER
            About BMP-3M looked a little disappointed


            Wiki claims that the forehead withstands a 30mm projectile from 300 meters. they also write about active armor and dynamic armor there.
            (just type in BMP 3 search)

            the only thing I didn’t understand, with such a small and low landing, was to carry infantry there.
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        3. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 17 June 2013 19: 40 New
          +8


          New tanks go to Baku
      2. Consul-t
        Consul-t 17 June 2013 11: 33 New
        +5
        This would be Pinocchio in Syria would send Assad to help
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 17 June 2013 15: 27 New
          +3
          Quote: Consul-t
          This would be Pinocchio in Syria would send Assad to help

          Yes, a terrible thing, he will get these rats even in holes, there will be a barbecue in Asadovsky!
      3. KoRSaR1
        KoRSaR1 17 June 2013 14: 53 New
        0
        On the pinocchio, the launch looked more interesting))) 2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1 and so the whole set.
    2. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 17 June 2013 06: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: Edward72
      And when in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation they will deliver novies or, as always, according to the residual principle.

      Stop crying, we will have the equipment, everything has its time!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 June 2013 06: 23 New
        +4
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Stop crying, we will have the equipment, everything has its time!

        T 90 will not be, as for the rest, we have been waiting for a long time.
        1. tronin.maxim
          tronin.maxim 17 June 2013 06: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          T 90 will not

          It is understandable, we are waiting for the armature.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 June 2013 06: 32 New
            +3
            Quote: tronin.maxim
            It is understandable, we are waiting for the armature.

            We will wait a very long time + the Ministry of Finance will possibly cut the military budget in 2014-2015 and when will it be?
            1. bask
              bask 17 June 2013 07: 26 New
              -3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              We’ll wait a long time + the Ministry of Finance will possibly cut the military budget in 2014-2015 and when it will be

              Good morning hi
              I think that all these expectations are, “NOODLES,” of the authorities, so as not to purchase modern armored vehicles, into the RUSSIAN army.
              One can envy that the authorities in Azerbaijan are SUCH A LEADER, not a cheap PR man !!!!
              1. Avenger711
                Avenger711 17 June 2013 08: 13 New
                0
                In fact, the T-90s were slowly going into the troops until there were "wise men" who decided to upgrade something there on the T-72. After all, it’s easier to report on things that have gone through modernization.
              2. xetai9977
                xetai9977 17 June 2013 11: 27 New
                +8
                By the way, not standard T-90s were delivered to Azerbaijan, but equipped with additional DZ Contact-5 blocks near the Shtora-1 complex
              3. KoRSaR1
                KoRSaR1 17 June 2013 14: 57 New
                +1
                Ooh, you my friend just don’t know what kind of “leader” there Hitler will seem to you as a present, regarding the strangulation of his people Ilham Aliyev No. 1 now, this is so sweet and beautiful in Baku, but what’s outside is not shown to anyone .
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 17 June 2013 21: 52 New
                  +5
                  Quote: KoRSaR1
                  Ooh, you my friend just don’t know what kind of “leader” there Hitler will seem to you as a present, regarding the strangulation of his people Ilham Aliyev No. 1 now, this is so sweet and beautiful in Baku, but what’s outside is not shown to anyone .

                  Well, why are you saying nonsense !!
                  Who is Aliev strangling ??
                  Thanks to Aliva, Azerbaijan has become a strong state and has not turned into Somalia!
                  Envy chokes you !!
                  But the slides of Ganja and Sumgait, what was and how today!



                  come to Azerbaijan and go to any region and see how many positive changes!
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                    1. smersh70
                      smersh70 18 June 2013 00: 26 New
                      +4
                      Quote: ayyildiz
                      On the first video, music on the beam of Yarbay!


                      that's what it was intended !!!! because then, this song is dedicated to comrade Smersh from sunny Ganja hi smile Thank you Yarbai !!!!!!!!!!!
                  2. smersh70
                    smersh70 18 June 2013 00: 21 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    look how many positive changes!


                    and how much has been done .. right now we raise the river to the level of the reservoir .. the German church is under repair .. etc., etc ..
                    by the way, and I put a little effort into this matter)))) the truth is there are losses-2 torn Italian costumes ... a broken finger .. a broken nose ...))) but that you can’t do it for your hometown fellow
          2. Apollo
            Apollo 17 June 2013 06: 33 New
            12
            Quote: tronin.maxim
            It is understandable, we are waiting for the armature.



            I welcome you to a colleague. hi

            here at night, looking at other Internet news news portals, I came across such comments. in particular, on the Ria Novosti website. I bring to your attention.

            Dmitry Ivanov reply to userAndrey (show commentshide comment)
            19: 31 11.06.2013 | Xnumx
            Andrey, further on those "rumors" from the topvar:
            The local "experts" argue that Armata has nowhere to build, since the production is occupied by T-90 - they are not aware that the prototypes are not in serial production, but in separate, experimental workshops that are not very intersect with the serial T-90, they over single samples, layouts, etc. work. These "experts" do not know that in the Armata series it will not intersect with the T-90, since new shops are being built under it - it was relatively recent in the news, but the "experts" do not watch the news, they have no time - they need to compose rumors.
            Reply

            Dmitry Ivanov reply to userAndrey (show commentshide comment)
            19: 38 11.06.2013 | Xnumx
            Andrey, and the last. On Topvar, in the heat of the breakdown of the covers, they even blurted out, as if because of the “Indian” (which is Algerian) tender they stopped work not only in Armata, but also in Kurganets-25, Boomerang and the Arctic. So - how is the UVZ with its order for T-90 connected with manufacturers of armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and t .d.? They do not intersect at all!
            In general, the guys are already shining with "competence", "awareness" and "intelligence". Honestly, a sketch of the most mediocre, they even outdid the Izvestia journalists.


            http://ria.ru/arms/20130611/942749204.html

            Eugene (mechanic) in the comments we are talking about wassat
            1. Regis
              Regis 17 June 2013 08: 23 New
              +1
              Apollo, you still forgot his first comment on this topic about "drug addiction";)
        2. Avenger711
          Avenger711 17 June 2013 08: 11 New
          -2
          It is quite possible that this will be in connection with the grief modernization of the T-72. Armata is the 2020 minimum.
      2. Edward72
        Edward72 17 June 2013 06: 28 New
        0
        I don’t cry, it’s just disgusting. We are arming the whole world, but almost nothing. If something happened like 1941 on a cavalry tank or a single Berdanka for two, and this is not fiction, this was told to me by veterans in the hospital back in 1991- m. And I believe them more than some media.
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 17 June 2013 08: 14 New
          -2
          It is time to learn the history of the 41st already, and not repeat the restructuring myths.
          1. Edward72
            Edward72 17 June 2013 08: 27 New
            +1
            Dear, these people have experienced in their own skin all the delights of the 41-42th, and once did not listen to the pseudo historians from a drunken corner
        2. DEfindER
          DEfindER 17 June 2013 15: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Edward72
          like 1941 cavalry tanks or one berdanka for two, and this is not fiction, veterans in the hospital told me this back in 1991

          I dare not agree, but what about the constant telegrams from German generals to Berlin in 1941 where they claimed that they were suffering huge losses and asking for reinforcements, and that the enemy defended themselves very skillfully and withdrawn their troops to new positions? These are facts, do not believe I can find links ..
      3. Nikolski1973
        Nikolski1973 17 June 2013 06: 47 New
        +1
        This time has dragged on since the 90s, it’s time to already know the measure, and to arm ourselves.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 June 2013 06: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: Edward72
      And when in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation they will deliver novies or, as always, according to the residual principle.

      It doesn’t matter when the question is different.
      The conflict in Karabakh can begin at any moment and it is clear that Russia will be on the side of Armenia, it cannot but come forward. And speaking, we will encounter our brand-new technique with our own hands delivered to Azerbaijan.
      I don’t know what questions the leadership of the country will have and what they will answer. We don’t supply ourselves with 90 tons, but please the others.
      1. bulgurkhan
        bulgurkhan 17 June 2013 06: 51 New
        +5
        There can be no conflict between Azerbaijan and Russia, this is completely ruled out.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 June 2013 06: 54 New
          +4
          Quote: bulgurkhan
          There can be no conflict between Azerbaijan and Russia, this is completely ruled out.

          I won’t write the same thing 100 times. The arguments have already been given more than once hi
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      3. cartridge
        cartridge 17 June 2013 07: 46 New
        +1
        Alexander Romanov
        I don’t know what questions the leadership of the country will have and what they will answer.


        “Beat the Reds until they turn white, beat the White ones until they turn red!” (with)
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 June 2013 09: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: cartridge
          "Beat the Reds until they turn white, beat the Whites until they turn red!

          Something familiar in this koment, what was your nickname before?
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 17 June 2013 10: 48 New
            +6
            This "comment" was the slogan of the Makhnovists.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 June 2013 11: 03 New
              +2
              Quote: xetai9977
              This "comment" was the slogan of the Makhnovists.

              This koment already used on a site one person.
            2. Proud.
              Proud. 17 June 2013 11: 42 New
              +2
              This motto belongs to the gang of the father of the Angel, from the film “Adjutant of His Excellency.” The father of the Angel belonged to the so-called “movement of the greens.” Neither white nor red, nor Makhnovist anarchists.
      4. kNow
        kNow 17 June 2013 08: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        it is clear that Russia will be on the side of Armenia, it cannot but speak. And speaking, we will encounter our brand-new technique with our own hands delivered to Azerbaijan.

        Judging by the types and quantity of weapons, Russia has changed the priorities of strategic partnership in the Caucasus ...
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 17 June 2013 09: 11 New
          +3
          KNow, supplying arms is just a business.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 June 2013 09: 31 New
          +4
          Quote: kNow
          Judging by the types and quantity of weapons, Russia has changed priorities with

          Well here, how does anyone want to see hi
        3. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 17 June 2013 11: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: kNow
          Judging by the types and quantity of weapons, Russia has changed the priorities of strategic partnership in the Caucasus ...


          More likely expanded horizons. They just began to sell weapons to everyone who formally passes under the definition of a stable state.

          Generally quite reasonable policy. It is unlikely that the Isers will rush right now to smash the Armenians. Rather, the Armenians are right now cutting the budget to purchase equipment.
      5. Airman
        Airman 17 June 2013 09: 18 New
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Edward72
        And when in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation they will deliver novies or, as always, according to the residual principle.

        It doesn’t matter when the question is different.
        The conflict in Karabakh can begin at any moment and it is clear that Russia will be on the side of Armenia, it cannot but come forward. And speaking, we will encounter our brand-new technique with our own hands delivered to Azerbaijan.
        I don’t know what questions the leadership of the country will have and what they will answer. We don’t supply ourselves with 90 tons, but please the others.


        Greed, greed, and again greed are at the forefront of our politicians. Without the knowledge of the president, such deliveries are not made. At the sight of "green" the mind is lost.
      6. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 17 June 2013 11: 23 New
        -1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And speaking, we will encounter our brand-new technique with our own hands delivered to Azerbaijan.


        The argument between the shield and the sword, an endless argument in principle. I think this problem will be solved by the supply of new anti-tank weapons to Armenians and the training of appropriate tank destroyers.
      7. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 18 June 2013 06: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        we’ll encounter our new equipment delivered personally to Azerbaijan.

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        We don’t supply ourselves with 90 tons, but please the others.

        Why are you proposing to extinguish our equipment built on popular money at the training ground fool Put good Grandmas got good Washed love drinks Well, now we will test ATGM wassat
    4. Rustam
      Rustam 17 June 2013 10: 56 New
      +3
      Azerbaijan has become the main buyer of our weapons in the CIS - in addition to this
      We also bought S-300PMU-2, AK-sot series, Mi-35m, Mi-171v and much more — moreover, as I know, everything is paid in cash (no deliveries on credit or loan)

      we, too, are good at enterprises busy with work — the only problem is how would it all turn against Armenia?


      yes typo-delivered standard BMP-3 not version M


      photo-new MI-35M Air Force of Azerbaijan
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 17 June 2013 11: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: Rustam
        photo-new MI-35M Air Force of Azerbaijan


        MI-35M round-the-clock application



    5. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 17 June 2013 11: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Edward72
      And when in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation they will deliver novies or, as always, according to the residual principle.


      And when they take charge of them, then they deliver. Cynical, but absolutely true.
    6. KoRSaR1
      KoRSaR1 17 June 2013 14: 52 New
      0
      And with us, as usual, if you did not know. What is rejected at the plant, or the receiver refuses to take, then it will form the basis of our aircraft. If anyone remembers, Mig-29 is for Malaysia.
  2. Sirs
    Sirs 17 June 2013 06: 35 New
    0
    We will wait for the armature but also T90MS is necessary. Who knows how a tank based on artillery will show itself?
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 17 June 2013 08: 15 New
      0
      T-90MS export, and it is strange. We are waiting for a more thoughtful modification for ourselves.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 17 June 2013 08: 38 New
      +4
      Quote: Sirs
      Who knows how a tank based on artillery will show itself?


      as Mr. Fox said - use what is at hand and do not look for another)))))
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 17 June 2013 10: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: smersh70
        as Mr. Fox said - use what is at hand

        Such a wide and frequent showing of cartoons, as in Baku, is not practiced in Russia. In order to see the Cat in boots and show it to his grandchildren, I had to download from the Internet. And about Fox and his statement, they hardly know here.
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 17 June 2013 11: 01 New
          +5
          Greetings, Eugene! Is that FOX? this is Fix in my opinion, from "80 days around the world"
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 17 June 2013 11: 21 New
            +3
            Quote: xetai9977
            Is that FOX? this is Fix in my opinion, from "80 days around the world"

            Good day, Rauf.
            Well of course you are right. Vurgun was mistaken, and I repeated. Extra confirmation of my words about cartoons in Russia. Forgotten a lot. Yes, and forgive me. Sclerosis. laughing
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 17 June 2013 11: 28 New
              +3
              Quote: Hedgehog
              Well of course you are right. Vurgun was wrong, and I repeated


              the main thing is not who said.)))) the main thing is as he said))))))))))))
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 18 June 2013 10: 32 New
                +2
                Quote: smersh70
                the main thing is not who said.)))) the main thing is as he said))))))))))))

                You were closer than your interlocutors!
                it was said by Phileas Fogg, not Mr. Fix))))))
  3. Nayhas
    Nayhas 17 June 2013 06: 39 New
    +6
    It’s strange to deliver weapons to a country that is on the verge of war with your ally ... Or don’t the money smell?
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 08: 42 New
      +4
      More women give birth (C) In fact, not that we are selling (we will not sell, we will sell another), but that we are not updating our armed forces.
    2. Samuray
      Samuray 17 June 2013 08: 49 New
      +4
      You are right money does not smell! Tomorrow is all the military equipment will shoot at Russian soldiers in Armenia. It seems that the leadership of the Russian Federation does not care whom to sell. Did not take into account the situation when the union supplied arms and advisers to both warring parties in Yemen
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 17 June 2013 09: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: Samuray
        Did not take into account the situation when the union supplied arms and advisers to both warring parties in Yemen

        And in Somalia.
      2. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 09: 24 New
        +1
        Do not sell Russia will sell another, starting with the Turks, ending with Ukraine.
        So that there would be no war, you must first strengthen yourself, and Armenia, although an ally, must buy equipment for itself with its own money.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 17 June 2013 09: 30 New
          +1
          Usually somehow it’s not customary to sell weapons and military equipment to your likely enemy, do not you? And ours are either China or Azerbaijan.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 17 June 2013 09: 58 New
            +2
            Quote: Spade
            And ours are either China or Azerbaijan.



            and since when .. are we at war hi or Azerbaijan is part of NATO ... as a likely adversary ..... it is very good that you do not enter the governing bodies of Russia .... smile
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 17 June 2013 10: 04 New
              +5
              A likely adversary is a country or military bloc with which war is possible. Azerbaijan fully meets this criterion.
              The "governing bodies of Russia" are well aware of this. But they love money very much
              1. kotdavin4i
                kotdavin4i 17 June 2013 14: 00 New
                +3
                Lopatov - you’re starting again, you’re an officer (as you say about yourself). How does Azerbaijan fit the criterion of “a country - a likely adversary”? so that almost 120 thousand Russians live here? By the fact that Azerbaijan is included in the "non-alignment movement"? so that economic relations between Russia and Azerbaijan are:
                - "According to the Federal Customs Service of Russia, the goods turnover between Russia and Azerbaijan in 2012 reached a record level and amounted to $ 3407,8 million. At the same time, Russian exports to Azerbaijan amounted to $ 2844,0 million compared to 2011. "increased by 13,6%. Azerbaijani exports to Russia amounted to $ 563,8 million and decreased by 2011% compared to 1,4."
                - in the military field, we are doing the main focus on the purchase of RUSSIAN armaments and equipment ???
                Have a conscience - do not breed nationalism here, it becomes embarrassing for an "officer"!
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 17 June 2013 14: 57 New
                  +2
                  Nationalism? But from this place in great detail. Where you noticed him, indicate not to be unfounded.
                  1. kotdavin4i
                    kotdavin4i 17 June 2013 15: 32 New
                    +2
                    Look at the history of your messages - it HAS AN EXPRESSLY ANTI-AZERI DIRECTION. and almost unreasonably!
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 17 June 2013 16: 03 New
                      +2
                      Firstly, I have nothing against Azerbaijanis and Armenians. All my posts are against your two states, whose confrontation, I am afraid, will lead to nasty consequences for of my State.
                      Secondly, why did you decide that I must be an expressor of the interests of your people? You didn’t mix anything up?
              2. Kasym
                Kasym 17 June 2013 16: 40 New
                +1
                Shovel. Good afternoon. Thank you very much for your comments. - I always read them with interest!
                I would like to express my point of view on the issues of Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh. "To understand the point of view of the opponent, I try to take his place."
                1. Armenians first started. I don’t remember exactly what this populated point was called, but it was there that the Armenians first began to slaughter Azerbaijanis
                2. Nagorno-Karabakh - this land historically belonged to Azerbaijan.
                What remains to do Azerbaijan?
                On the one hand, to march, at least for the sake of fear. On the other hand, to carry out an economic blockade (by the way, which manifests itself significantly - by 50 people, something about this will annually decrease the population of Armenia).
                And one more aspect, in my opinion, is very important. After all, what happened. For several centuries, the Armenians settled on Nagorno-Karabakh and the Azerbaijanis didn’t interfere in this way, they showed hospitality. Mixed marriages appeared. Everything seems to be normal, but the number of Armenians was equal to the number of indigenous people. And ... it becomes the territory (actually) of Armenia. We are constantly afraid of Chinese human expansion. We say: "The Chinese will populate our territories, and then declare them Chinese, they will also take up arms." And how do we behave towards Azerbaijan? Double standards are obtained.
                So personally, I and many of my compatriots are on the side of Azerbaijan. Although he makes mistakes, in my opinion.
                1. Does not participate in integration processes.
                2. Not a member of the CSTO.
                These two “platforms” could significantly add Azerbaijan’s political weight, more contacts, more discussion time, and convey their point of view.
                Sincerely. hi
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 17 June 2013 17: 26 New
                  0
                  Honestly, I understand all this very well, but I lived in Ossetia. Where at one fine moment at night one nation came to cut another. I think you are in the know ...

                  And in the Azerbaijani-Armenian, to be honest, I do not know what can be done. Maybe they should take NK away and populate them with peace penguins?

                  I do not want to see the RF Armed Forces involved in this conflict. And if justice is thrown on one side of the scale, and the lives of our soldiers on the other, then I do not care about justice, excuse me. I think you and your compatriots will understand this.

                  What to do here? I do not know.

                  Sincerely.
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym 17 June 2013 18: 18 New
                    +1
                    Shovel. +. I absolutely agree that in the event of war we must intervene. Although there are legal subtleties - the war with NK, and not with Armenia. Although, in any case, we are obliged to intervene. In the form of peacekeepers, for example.
                    And if you take the place of Azerbaijan (I. Aliyev)? If Azerbaijan attacks first, what consequences could there be?
                    In case of defeat or even a draw - it risks losing NK forever. An example of Greece is evident.
                    Victory, but then blitzkrieg is needed. And this is unlikely in the conditions of the mountains and in the presence of defensive structures.
                    That is, there will be no war in the near future, or, the probability of a war is low.
                    It remains, in my opinion, one thing. The economic blockade (in my opinion, the efficiency of Armenia’s presence only borders with Iran normally). And if you impose a "arms race" on Armenia, then it will not be sweet (although in the presence of the Russian Armed Forces in Armenia this is unlikely - that is, you can temporarily "lend" something). And also to raise the standard of living in their country, to raise the economy (therefore, I say that integration processes, for example, with the CU, would not interfere with Azerbaijan).
                    In Armenia, the situation is unenviable. She is actually in blockade. Without trade, the economy is growing weak. People are leaving. NK became a liability for her. It certainly won’t be the first to fight - it will be a fatal mistake. So, the sooner a good deal is reached with Azerbaijan, the better, in my opinion, it will be. The longer this takes place, the less people will remain there, the more economical the Armenian economy will be - and we need such a duty in the new Union.
                    Sincerely. hi
                    1. experienced
                      experienced 17 June 2013 18: 23 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Kasym
                      I absolutely agree that in the event of war we must intervene.

                      Dear Kasym, I respect your opinion but answer a simple question: For what?
                      Quote: Kasym
                      Although there are legal subtleties - the war with NK, and not with Armenia

                      EXACTLY WITH NK hi
                      Quote: Kasym
                      Although, in any case, we are obliged to intervene. In the form of peacekeepers, for example.

                      Peacekeepers are not introduced during the database period hi
                      I am a Russian living in Moscow, who has won back in Chechnya; I don’t want our guys to harness this and shed blood hi IMHO
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 June 2013 19: 08 New
                        0
                        Quote: seasoned
                        I am a Russian living in Moscow


                        I am a Belarusian living in Penza
                      2. Kasym
                        Kasym 17 June 2013 19: 36 New
                        +3
                        Experienced. Hello, Alexey! So it’s a pity, they’re killing others. After all, as they think, not to interfere in the mess of yourself on the border means to show your weakness, meaning someone else will do it (read west). But actually, I agree with Lopatov, it's not up to us to decide. And in war, little faith. The procurement of weapons by Azerbaijan shows that they are ready for any scenario. Show their financial and economic capabilities. And why didn’t the war be written above.
                        Nice to meet you. hi Dauren.
                      3. experienced
                        experienced 17 June 2013 19: 42 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Kasym
                        Experienced

                        Hi Kasym!
                        Quote: Kasym
                        So it’s a pity, they’re killing others

                        They know why they are killing, and the Russian guy will be the third superfluous. There, the abscess is ripening, let them figure it out for themselves, the Russians control the borders of Armenia, they will not allow lawlessness hi
                        Quote: Kasym
                        The procurement of weapons by Azerbaijan shows that they are ready for any scenario. Show their financial and economic opportunities

                        Azerbaijan buys weapons from Russia for real money, Russia credits Armenia ... Do you understand the difference?
                        But it’s not even about money, RI pulled into the 1st World War and it didn’t end in anything good, maybe it’s enough to defend other people's interests? Georgia has already been taken under the wing ... We have enough of our territory !!!!!
                        ENOUGH TO FEED OTHERS !!!!!
                      4. Kasym
                        Kasym 17 June 2013 20: 10 New
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                        Alexei, this is how I try to prove that WAR will not be there. Aliyev, however, sees what happened to Greece. And he is far from Mishiko - at least, he is still doing everything right in relation to Armenia. The economic blockade and the “arms race” that will sooner or later strangle Armenia are here, I think, with no options (and since people are leaving, as I wrote above, it’s worthless things). And no war is needed.
                        And also, Alexei, I agree with you on the question: "Who is with the" grandmothers "and who is with an empty pocket." Therefore, I think that Azerbaijan would be very welcome in the CU - this is neither a poor country, much less attractively tourist - the sea, the sun, the beach and a good kitchen. Whatever paradise !!! drinks
                      5. experienced
                        experienced 17 June 2013 20: 17 New
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                        Quote: Kasym
                        so I try to prove that WAR will not be there

                        The war will be there. If your neighbor occupied the toilet and hung the lock, then only one thing follows from this - sooner or later you will try to rip it off
                        Quote: Kasym
                        The economic blockade and the “arms race” that will sooner or later strangle Armenia are here, I think, with no options (and since people are leaving, as I wrote above, it’s worthless things). And no war is needed.

                        Yes Yes. Sponsors and Diasporas Do Not Be Generous winked
                        Quote: Kasym
                        Therefore, I think that Azerbaijan would be very welcome in the CU - this is neither a poor country, much less attractively tourist - the sea, the sun, the beach and a good kitchen. Whatever paradise !!!

                        With two hands "FOR"
              3. Lopatov
                Lopatov 17 June 2013 19: 05 New
                0
                I am aware that Russia will lose anyway. Well, that means fate is not the first time for us. Honor is more important.
                You very carefully laid out everything on the shelves. But little depends on us
                1. experienced
                  experienced 17 June 2013 19: 10 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Spade
                  I realize that Russia will lose anyway

                  Shake it, rag! Nobody attacks us laughing
                  Quote: Spade
                  Well, that means fate is such, we are not the first to

                  1812-XXXX, 1941-1945 Well, not the first time wassat
                  Quote: Spade
                  You very carefully laid out everything on the shelves.

                  Easier to assemble
                  Quote: Spade
                  But little depends on us

                  From "us" yes - from Russia a lot soldier
                2. Kasym
                  Kasym 17 June 2013 20: 49 New
                  +4
                  Alexey. Buddy, let's leave this dispute - there will be, no war will be. I just brought my reasoning to this issue and cited the fact of the outflow of the population from Armenia - some diasporas and other sponsors will support some pants. Lopatov writes correctly, it is not up to us to decide. I also want this to hurt our guys. hi
                  Sincerely, Dayren.
        2. GP
          GP 17 June 2013 18: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Kasym
          Nagorno-Karabakh - this land historically belonged to Azerbaijan.
          What remains to do Azerbaijan?


          You do not quite understand the essence of the problem with the NKR. This land does not have a clear temporary owner. Until the moment when the Russian regiments came there, it was owned either by Persian-Iranians or Ottomans-Turks. The peoples of Armenia and Azerbaijan did not have the slightest independence, that those that were cut equally and mercilessly and there was no need for delimitation. Then the Russians came and, among other things, banned ethnic hatred. So they lived more than one century in the world, but quietly disliked each other. The Russians left at the end of the XNUMXth century and the issue of disengagement became an edge.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 17 June 2013 21: 39 New
            +3
            Quote: GP
            You do not quite understand the essence of the problem with the NKR.


            and you do not completely know not only the essence, but also the history of this region .... but by the way here is a completely different story ..... hi
            1. GP
              GP 17 June 2013 22: 04 New
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              Quote: smersh70
              and you do not completely know not only the essence, but also the history of this region .... but by the way here is a completely different story .....


              As amended by Azerbaijan and Armenia, I will get acquainted with the history of the NKR territory in the last turn because of the obvious bias of the parties.
              But this is a step away from the topic winked
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 17 June 2013 22: 08 New
                +3
                Quote: GP
                With the history of the NKR territory

                You are completely unfamiliar with her !!
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 17 June 2013 21: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: GP
            You do not quite understand the essence of the problem with the NKR.

            That you do not have even the slightest idea about the problem with the NKR!
            in 1828, when the "Armenian region" was created within the Irevan and Nakhichevan khanates, ¾ its population was Muslim. This is confirmed by the letter of General Paskevich to the Chief of the General Staff, which contains dissatisfaction with the actions of General Krasouski, appointed by the head of the "interim administration" Irevan in 1827, and Archbishop Nerses, a member of this department. Paskevich reproached Krasovsky for giving Nerses unlimited influence on all affairs, and for harmful protection for the Armenians, while "¾ the population of the region is Mohammedans" (V.A. Potto. The Caucasian War. Persian War of 1826-1828. Volume 3, Stavropol, 1993 , p. 594-595). three quarters were Mohammedans !!))))
            Interesting information about the movement of Armenians from Iran towards Karabakh is given by the Russian writer S.N. Glinka. The political nature of the resettlement of Iranian Armenians in the Muslim lands just captured by Russia is clearly seen in the appeal to the Persian Armenians of the active organizer of the resettlement G. Lazarev: "In Erivan, Nakhichevan and Karabakh, where you choose, you will receive abundantly cultivated land, partly sown with tenth "only part is processed in favor of the Treasury. You are exempted for six years from any taxes and help will be given to the poorest of you." (S. Glinka. Description of the resettlement of the Armenians of Adderbidzhan into Russia. M., 1831, p. 107-111). S. Glinka writes: "The Armenians from various villages adjacent to Turkmenchay moved to Karabakh" (Ibid., P. 48). According to him, "in three and a half months, more than 8.000 families went beyond Araks" (Ibid., P. 92). In the spring of 1828, when the flow of Armenians was moving to Araz, Paskevich received an order to settle the poorest in Karabakh, and this was reflected in Russian literature of that time (Ibid., P. 90-91). So in 1832, Armenians made up 31,6% of the Karabakh population, and the majority Muslims, 68,4% (the Russian possessions in the Caucasus were reviewed in statistical, ethnographic, topographical and financial terms. Tiflis, 1836, p. 267).
            By the decree of Emperor Nicholas I on March 21, 1828, the “Armenian region” was created on the lands of the former Irevan and Nakhichevan khanates: “By the power of a treatise, with Persia prisoner, the accession to Russia from Persia is the khanate in all matters from now on to be called the Armenian region and to include it in our title” (Complete collection of laws of the Russian Empire. T.III, St. Petersburg, 1830, p.272-273). Russian general and Georgian prince A. Chavchavadze was appointed head of the "Armenian region" (Acts of the Caucasian Archaeographic Commission. Archive of the Main Directorate of the Viceroy of the Caucasus. Volume VII. Published under the editorship of the chairman of the commission A.D. Berger. Tiflis, 1878, p. 487).
            At the time this region was formed, 75% of its population was Muslim. If 49.875 Muslims and 20.073 Armenians lived in the Irevan region during the Russian conquest, then immediately after the formation of the "Armenian region" 45.200 Armenians were relocated from neighboring countries (Review of Russian possessions in the Caucasus in statistical, ethnographic, topographical and financial relations. Tiflis, 1836, p. 229). A similar situation has developed in the Nakhchivan region. By the time the Russian occupation ended, 17.138 Muslims and 2.690 Armenians were living in Nakhchivan. With the liquidation of the khanate, in a short period of time 10.670 Armenians moved here. Similarly, in the Ordubad part of Nakhchivan, where 7.247 Muslims and 2.388 Armenians originally lived, 1.340 Armenians were resettled to change the ratio between them (Ibid., P. 229).
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 17 June 2013 22: 31 New
              +2
              Quote: Yarbay
              That you do not have even the slightest idea about the problem with the NKR!


              Yeah ..... heavy Artillery arrived in time))) Hold on to GP ... Yarbai right now YOU will show where the crayfish hibernate ..... fellow
          3. Yarbay
            Yarbay 17 June 2013 22: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: GP
            . Then the Russians came and, among other things, banned ethnic hatred.

            Are you sure??

            February 7, 1905. Baku. Azerbaijan. About 100 civilians have been killed and wounded by the same Armenian terrorist organization34.

            February 9, 1905. Baku. Azerbaijan. All the same Armenian terrorist organization carried out pogroms and killings of city residents. The threat of Armenian terrorists, expressed in proclamations circulated in Baku in late 1904, has been consistently implemented. After the massacres, the criminals gathered in the homes of wealthy Armenians (Balabek Lalaev, Artem Babayants, Isay Ter-Osipov, Ako-pa Muradyan, Grigory Sargsyants, Karen Sahakyants and others) and opened fire from the windows and roofs of the buildings, bombarding the city with bombers , grenades of English and French production. The events of February 6-10, 1905 went down in history as the "bloody massacre in the city of Baku." The above-mentioned Armenian tycoons, along with Mantashev, Ter-Gukasov, Melikyants, were members and sponsors of the international Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun”, which began implementing its program installations.35

            February 20-21, 1905. Irevan (now renamed Yerevan). Azerbaijan. Armenian gangs led by the international terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun” committed the killings of Muslims - residents of this city. The brutal executions of civilians terrified eyewitnesses. They were carried out by people brought up in Armenian textbooks, published, according to the Russian newspaper “Caucasus”, “in Paris or Venice”. The authors of these books seemed to program their students for future crimes against humanity: "Armenia is a great word, a great memory of past times, a great element of the future ... Armenians are morally superior to all the peoples around them." In the same textbooks, according to the aforementioned Russian newspaper, it was specifically pointed out that the Armenian people were chosen by God as a mediator of the spread of civilization and Christianity.

            False Armenian history with the aim of creating the foundation, educating the Armenian youth in the spirit of chauvinism was raised to the level of state policy. Our younger generation, brought up in the spirit of the great humanistic ideals of Azerbaijani literature and culture, was under the fire of the persecution of extremist Armenian ideology. The ideological basis for political and military aggression was created by the policy of slanderous slanders on spiritual values, national honor and dignity of the Azerbaijani people. ” 36
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 17 June 2013 22: 04 New
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              May 11, 1905. Baku. Azerbaijan. Five Armenian terrorists committed the assassination of Prince M. Nakashidze and G. Takayshvili, who spoke from the position of friendship between the Caucasian peoples. This is evidenced by the recollections of an eyewitness P.P. Shubinsky. On the same day, General Alikhanov was killed. The proclamation circulated after the killings noted that they were carried out by the Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun”. According to some reports, one of the killers was Drastamat Kanayan nicknamed Dro. Prior to these events, Dro in Zangezur County, as part of various Armenian gangs, took part in bloody operations against civilians - Turks, Kurds, Azerbaijanis.

              Further on the list of those killed by terrorists from Dashnaktsutyun: district chiefs Pavlov, Neshchansky, Boguslavsky, vice-governor Andreev, Colonel Bykov and others
              . 37

              May 24, 1905. Irevan province. Azerbaijan. In the Irevan province, Armenian bearded men opened fire on peaceful Muslims. Taking advantage of the panic among people, the Armenian bandits inflicted brutal reprisal. Its victims were 11 citizens - 4 women, 2 children and 5 men. 38

              May 1905 Nakhchivan. Azerbaijan. Armenian gangs in Nakhchivan staged bloody atrocities against civilians. Among the dead are women, the elderly, children. 39
              1905 year. Zangezur. Azerbaijan. Armenian gangs carried out massacre of the civilian population of the city. Dozens of people were executed. According to eyewitnesses, Armenian cutthroats used sophisticated forms of executions that were difficult to describe. For example, people were tied by their arms and legs to the bent branches of huge trees. Then the branches were released, tearing the bodies ... Residents were destroyed by Armenian bandits only because they professed the Islamic religion. 40

              June 2, 1905. Well-armed, numerous Armenian gangs attacked the Muslim village of Menkus. Unarmed peasants were forced to flee with their families. In a deserted village, an invalid, an 80-year-old man who, despite the insistence of the villagers, remained at home in the hands of Armenian militants. He died from torture. Armenian bearded men tortured an old man with a ramrod.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 17 June 2013 22: 07 New
                +2
                August 8, 1905 Shusha. Azerbaijan. In the Shushinsky district of the Ganja province, more than 300 Armenian bandits from the village of Venk attacked the caravans passing by; merchants executed, property looted. Then they attacked a neighboring Muslim village, where they killed the son of a resident of the village of Abbas bey, his brother and several servants. Soon all the villagers were brutally executed, and their houses were burned down. The bandits were joined by Armenian soldiers who escaped from the barracks and took weapons with them.

                The bloody actions were frightening in nature, the purpose of which was to force the local population to leave Shusha and other territories of Nagorno-Karabakh. The ideologists of Armenian terrorism, who embarked on the implementation of the “political territory of Armenia” program, were clearly unhappy with the fact that even the massive resettlement of Armenians in Azerbaijani territories did not change the demographic situation. This is evidenced by the study of the Russian scientist M.A. Skibitsky, according to which, the ethnic ratio of Armenians and Azerbaijanis in the Nagorno-Karabakh at the beginning of the XX century, respectively, was 1: 4. In other words, Azerbaijanis accounted for 72,6% of the number of pasture users. The author also indicates in his work the presence of the Kurdish and Tatian population in this region. The book contains a map of the Karabakh state summer pastures compiled by a Russian researcher. A unique map later disappeared from the book depositories of St. Petersburg, Moscow, Tbilisi, Yerevan. 46

                August 20, 1905. Baku. Azerbaijan. Well-armed Armenian gangs attacked the many densely populated Muslim neighborhoods of the city. A huge number of people were brutally killed. Men were cut off their heads, pregnant women had their bellies ripped open, children were thrown into the fire or drowned in wells. Part of the corpses was dumped into the sea. 47

                August 21, 1905. Shusha. Azerbaijan. The Armenian bandits attacked 17 Azerbaijani craftsmen involved in the repair of the school in one of the villages of Shushi district, and cut off their heads48.

                The end of August 1905. Baku. Azerbaijan. Armenian gangs have committed a monstrous massacre of the city’s inhabitants - ethnic Azerbaijanis. According to eyewitnesses, the events of the end of August in Baku exceeded the February Baku tragedy of the same year in terms of their brutality and the mass nature of the killings.

                According to Russian archives, in 1905-1906, the Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun” actually “played a double game: firstly, at least part of the anger was expelled from the Muslims, and on the other, with the help of the press and propaganda, the culprit of everything that happened was Russian the government, and thus, new powerful propaganda material appeared for the revolution not only of Armenians, but also of other residents of the Caucasus ... As a result, many Russian administrative and private individuals displeased with the Armenians perished ”49
                The end of September 1905. Gazakh. Azerbaijan. The Armenian bearded men from the international terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun”, having captured the ancient Azerbaijani city of Gazakh, burned it. Among the civilian population there were numerous victims
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 17 June 2013 22: 09 New
                +2
                November 21, 1905. Tiflis. Georgia. Bearded men from the international Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun” inflicted the most bloody and cruel massacre on residents of Tiflis in the history of Georgia. According to eyewitnesses of those events, the Armenian gangs, “clearing places” for settling the newcomers of Armenia, were slaughtered by whole villages of Orthodox Georgian peasants and whole blocks of residents of the city of Tiflis. Neither children nor women, nor the elderly, nor the disabled were spared. The wounded were finished off. According to the surviving data, a large number of Azerbaijanis were killed by Armenian gangs on this day in Tiflis. But since Azerbaijani families categorically refused to take the dead to the morgue in accordance with religious traditions, and immediately drove them to mosques, only 10 corpses of Muslims were found in the Torglis morgue by evening. In an effort to hide from the international community the true perpetrators of the killings, the Armenian press from its pages told the world about the “Tiflis tragedy of the Armenians ...” (!!!).

                The traditional attitude of the Georgian intelligentsia towards the ideologists of Armenian terrorism was expressed by the outstanding Georgian thinker I. Chavchavadze: “We are only upset that the self-glorifying group of Armenians, denying our, Georgians, spiritual and physical existence, indicates to us only a grave unfurled before us, as if our non-existence creates their existence. It’s time to tear off the mask from this group of Armenians, whose sages ask us, Georgians, young and old, without exception, such a chime. It's time to look at them directly, without embellishment. It’s time for us to find out where the black raven crows over us, where this stone city comes from, beating us. It’s time for us to come to our senses and not celebrate the coward in front of these false liberals, in front of these harlequins of true liberalism, plugging our mouths with the goal of hiding our sacrilege, duplicity, heartlessness under the sacred cloak of love for people. ”53

                January 1, 1906. Parapravand. Azerbaijan. Armenian gangs attacked the Azerbaijani village of Papravend. After a vain attempt by the inhabitants to resist, the village was captured. Men were cut off their heads, and pregnant women were opened with their swords stomachs and their heads were cut off ... children who had not yet had time to be born. The massacre of Andranik led the massacre, which General G. Mayevsky, consul of Russia in Erzurum, pointed out at the beginning of the century: “At the beginning of the winter of 1901, an Armenian gang of a certain Andranik appeared” 54.

                http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-3.php
            2. GP
              GP 17 June 2013 22: 09 New
              -2
              Alibek, we kind of had a discussion with on the NKR topic. My opinion has not changed since then. hi
            3. Yarbay
              Yarbay 17 June 2013 22: 13 New
              +1
              Quote: GP
              Alibek, we kind of had a discussion with on the NKR topic. My opinion has not changed since then.

              That
              Do you call a discussion?))))
              You couldn’t answer anything to my arguments and documentary arguments and say that you haven’t changed your mind!
              This is called, such as milk, even if white, I want it to be black! This is your position!

              it is that they, under escort, took the Azerbaijanis out of the Armenian SSR. The conditions under which this export of Azerbaijanis took place is best described by the reports of the military commandant of Baku, General M. Tyagunov: “I also ordered the commandant of the special district of Yerevan, Lieutenant General Samsonov V.N. - send military garrisons to all settlements, where necessary, to normalize the situation. Today, December 3 this year, a joint field team of officers from a special district of Baku, representatives of the Council of Ministers of Azerbaijan, as well as evacuated residents of Azerbaijani nationality from these areas flew by helicopters to Kafan, Sisian and Ijivan districts with a view to their detailed examination. The same task in the Ararat and Masis districts will be performed by the forces of the military commandant of the special district of Yerevan. ” “According to the military commandant of the special district of Yerevan, Lieutenant General Samsonov V.N. in the Gugark district, all the people who went into the mountains and forests returned to their villages and who wished to arrive in the Azerbaijani city of Kazakh by four buses by 17.00 p.m. 2 / XII. Persons of Azerbaijani nationality remaining in the villages of Shaumyan, Archut, Saral, Kurtaly, Allavad, Gezaldar and other settlements of the Armenian SSR are reliably guarded by troops. From the morning of December 3, 50 people will be additionally sent to the Kafan area. ”
              Retired lieutenant general, former commander of the Air Defense Forces of the southern strategic direction of the USSR Ministry of Defense Pyotr Polyakh described the process of expelling Azerbaijanis from the Armenian SSR: “I will tell you right away that I was simply struck by the sight of Azerbaijanis being expelled from Armenia. Armenians burned and robbed peaceful Azerbaijani villages located on the territory of Armenia. The Soviet army did everything possible to save Azerbaijanis in Armenia. We flew to these villages, took them in a ring so that the Armenians would not raid them, and then transported Azerbaijanis to Azerbaijan. Basically, we took them to the city of Gazakh. ”
              The messages of the military commandant and former general of the SA, recalling the military reports of the Soviet Information Bureau of the Great Patriotic War, speak for themselves and may well serve as documentary evidence of the events that took place in the region during the corresponding period, clearly show the conditions under which the "peaceful outcome" of the Azerbaijani population occurred Armenian SSR.


              "Youth of Azerbaijan", December 3, 1988
              HSE, December 2, 1988
              http://www.vesti.az/news.php?id=47421
            4. GP
              GP 17 June 2013 22: 24 New
              +1
              Yes, I made a mistake, the dialogue was mainly with Ataturk.
              Want to read read
              http://topwar.ru/18903-oshibki-armenii-i-uspeh-azerbaydzhana.html#
              don't want don't read smile

              Quote: Yarbay
              You couldn’t answer anything to my arguments and documentary arguments.


              And I’m not going to. In the NKR dispute between Azerbaijan and Armenia, I am on the side of Russia. wink
  • Phantom Revolution
    Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 10: 35 New
    0
    Quote: Spade
    Usually somehow it’s not customary to sell weapons and military equipment to your likely enemy, do not you? And ours are either China or Azerbaijan.

    I repeat, Russia will not sell, another country will sell, but to die without a difference from what weapons. The light did not converge in a wedge, but it gives us the pluses in that they depend on us militarily, weapons, spare parts, etc. In a war, it’s dangerous to buy your enemy’s weapons, so think about bookmarks, I hope they are in this technique.
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 17 June 2013 09: 41 New
    +6
    Quote: Phantom Revolution
    Do not sell Russia will sell another, starting with the Turks, ending with Ukraine.

    Actually, Armenia is an ally of Russia, not Turkey. And it is in Armenia that our troops are located, and not in Azerbaijan. It is clear that Armenia has nowhere to go and it will have to endure such a demarche from Russia, but somehow it looks mean ...
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 10: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Nayhas
      Actually, Armenia is an ally of Russia, not Turkey. And it is in Armenia that our troops are located, and not in Azerbaijan. It is clear that Armenia has nowhere to go and it will have to endure such a demarche from Russia, but somehow it looks mean ...

      Our ally, but this does not mean that the ally country is a dependent country. We already bear the costs of defending Armenia with our bases, and she must update her own armed forces herself.
      About meanness, what does it manifest in? If we didn’t sell, we would sell others, the money would go to the side, but there’s no difference from what to die from either the Turkish howitzer or the Russian howitzer, etc. Similarly.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 17 June 2013 10: 47 New
        +1
        Russia will be obliged to intervene in the event of aggressive actions against the territory of Armenia, its military units and aircraft.

        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        but there’s no difference from why there’s either a Turkish howitzer or a Russian howitzer

        Russian military? Maybe you are right. It was necessary to die from weapons delivered to Chechnya between the two wars. And nothing endured. But then it was done in criminal ways, and now it’s open.
        1. Phantom Revolution
          Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 11: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: Spade
          Russian military? Maybe you are right. It was necessary to die from weapons delivered to Chechnya between the two wars. And nothing endured. But then it was done in criminal ways, and now it’s open.

          The Russian military should be armed themselves, and not hope that someone will not put up arms to one or another state-wu.

          About Chechnya, you won’t believe it and they are supplying the most modern AKs to the militants, well, not everyone but there are some, look at the operations of KTO, where the special forces who stormed the house "licked" from what they saw AK.
          I can’t find it for a long time, if you want to find it, look in the “Storming at Home in Chechnya” section of 2010-2011 of the year, like there was this report.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 17 June 2013 11: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: Phantom Revolution
            About Chechnya, you won’t believe it and now they deliver modern AKs to the militants

            Why not believe it? The first tandems for RPG-7 I saw live trophy. The same with grenades RGO-RGN. Fragmented "pencils" also appeared earlier than we had two months.
            1. Phantom Revolution
              Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 12: 26 New
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              why not believe it? The first tandems for RPG-7 I saw live trophy. The same with grenades RGO-RGN. Fragmented "pencils" also appeared earlier than we had two months.

              That's it, the problem is not that someone has a more modern technique than our soldiers, but that we don’t have it updated on time, but I understand that it’s not all at once, but if you look at the pace we are updating, then with such trillion infusions it's just chickens to laugh. Again, I understand half of these trillions settled in the pockets of officials who have already prepared their own villas in London.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 17 June 2013 18: 11 New
          -1
          The question is what is the case when entering Armenia. What about Karabakh?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 17 June 2013 18: 32 New
            0
            Also. Military units.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 17 June 2013 19: 14 New
              0
              So what. Military units are not the borders of the state. It’s too blurry, so you can vary it if you wish. Anything can be danced there
      2. Artmark
        Artmark 17 June 2013 13: 31 New
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        Russia does not pay for bases in Armenia! And so I think this is purely business that will not be sold. Russia will be bought from another country. And so if in Russia they have not changed their views, they will put some kind of armament in Armenia as a counterweight ... with respect
      3. Tigran2
        Tigran2 22 September 2014 09: 46 New
        +1
        Neither the United States nor Germany sell offensive weapons in the conflict zone, Russia is selling. It does not converge.
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 17 June 2013 11: 07 New
    +2
    phantom And do you recall that Armenia ever bought from you? Always gave and delivery, too, at your expense. Have you forgotten the report of the Minister of Defense of Russia Rodionov on the free delivery of arms of Armenia in the amount of $ 1 billion? And she buys from others (Japanese tractors, Chinese MLRS, Serbian rifles, "Juvenile rifles" truvelo, etc.) .) the tales of "disinterested friendship and brotherhood" do not work for foreigners.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 17 June 2013 12: 34 New
      0
      News from Armenia: A delegation from Armenia headed by the Chief of the General Staff Khachaturov left for Rome to discuss issues of expanding cooperation between the countries.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 17 June 2013 09: 31 New
    +2
    Quote: Samuray
    Tomorrow is all the military equipment will shoot at Russian soldiers in Armenia



    You are out of your mind .... this is Armenia has occupied 20% of the territory of Azerbaijan ...... we have nothing to do in the territory of another state .... we don’t want someone else’s .... we only want to restore the territorial integrity of the state ... which Russia recognized ...
    1. Samuray
      Samuray 17 June 2013 10: 04 New
      +5
      I'm in my mind! And you need to carefully read the text. I did not touch the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan! I meant that sooner or later these weapons would shoot at Russian soldiers.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 17 June 2013 10: 12 New
        +3
        Quote: Samuray
        I meant that sooner or later these weapons would shoot at Russian soldiers.



        you are mistaken my friend !!!! Thank God, the Russian soldier did not occupy our lands .... and she will never shoot at the Russians - if you are talking about the Treaty, it is clearly written that Russian soldiers will protect Armenia from the aggressor .... and the war is on the territory of Azerbaijan ... we have 1 million refugees ... so these weapons will shoot at the Armenian armed forces !!!!!!!!!
        1. Samuray
          Samuray 17 June 2013 10: 17 New
          +3
          First, the peacekeepers from the Russian Federation will separate the fighters and where is the guarantee that there will be no provocations and will not shoot at them! At least because they are allies of Armenia. And secondly, what prevented you from returning the territories belonging to Azerbaijan in the early 90s
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 17 June 2013 10: 48 New
            +4
            Quote: Samuray
            And secondly, what prevented you from returning the territories belonging to Azerbaijan in the early 90s


            there was a lot written in the comments of other branches ... I won’t write again .and, as the Russian proverb says, better late than never smile
      2. Apollo
        Apollo 17 June 2013 12: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: Samuray
        I meant that sooner or later these weapons would shoot at Russian soldiers.


        On the basis of what did you come to such a conclusion ?! winked
  • Apollo
    Apollo 17 June 2013 12: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: Samuray
    Tomorrow is all the military equipment will shoot at Russian soldiers in Armenia.


    You are deeply mistaken, the sold weapon never and under no circumstances It will not be directed against Russian soldiers. It will be directed against illegal armed groups that have entrenched in Karabakh.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 17 June 2013 09: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: Nayhas
    a country that is on the verge of war with your ally ..


    and you do not choose such an ally-aggressor ... hi and besides, sitting on your neck .. both economically and willow militarily ...
    it is better to be friends on an equal, cost-effective platform for both parties !! then they will be more respected as a partner .....
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 10: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: smersh70
      and you do not choose such an ally-aggressor ... hi and, moreover, sitting on your neck .. both economically and militarily ...
      it is better to be friends on an equal, cost-effective platform for both parties !! then they will be more respected as a partner .....

      To be a war, if Azerbaijan is the first to attack Armenia, Russia will intervene 100% not on the side of Azerbaijan about the Collective Security Treaty Organization, I won’t tell you yourself what it is and what it commits. Russia will not be able to intervene, otherwise it will nullify the entire organization of the CSTO. So what you want, you don’t want, but you have to fight.
      PS In vain Azerbaijan left the Collective Security Treaty Organization, then he would have had more maneuvers, and alas, alas.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 17 June 2013 11: 17 New
        +5
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        To be war, if Azerbaijan is the first to attack Armenia

        The territory of Nagorno-Karabakh is not the territory of Armenia. But the troops of the Armenian Republic on the territory of Karabakh, I believe, are present. Do you think Russia will intervene if hostilities begin against the Armenian armed forces located on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh? Please note that this territory is legally owned by Azerbaijan. The CSTO treaty has the right to apply when the Azerbaijani troops cross the borders of Armenia. Or do we not know something?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 17 June 2013 18: 13 New
          0
          Everything will depend on the position and desire of Russia. Laws can be interpreted as you want, if you have the strength and opportunity for this. An example with Georgia, Kosovo and a bunch of other countries is an indicator.
        2. Phantom Revolution
          Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 18: 21 New
          0
          Quote: Hedgehog
          The CSTO treaty has the right to apply when the Azerbaijani troops cross the borders of Armenia. Or do we not know something?

          It’s not enough to fight in Nagorno-Karabakh, so that the war does not drag on for years, you need to destroy the infrastructure this time, and the second, the Russian Federation will not allow such a war to flare up, these two will conduct an operation to force peace-2. A pact was signed on Karabakh, both from the Armenian and from the Azerbaijani side.
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 17 June 2013 11: 22 New
        +3
        Dear, you have already answered your own question, “Is there a war if Azerbaijan is the first to attack Armenia. Since Karabakh is NOT Armenia, there’s nothing to talk about, respectively. Unlike the hawks who sit at the computer and don’t carry any responsibility, your leaders know perfectly well who the aggressor is, and they are not going to sacrifice the lives of Russians for someone’s ambitions.
      3. Apollo
        Apollo 17 June 2013 12: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        To be war, if Azerbaijan is the first to attack Armenia,


        Azerbaijan will never attack Armenia, or do you think that the power structures of Azerbaijan have rolled off the coils ?! winked
  • Airman
    Airman 17 June 2013 11: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Nayhas
    It’s strange to deliver weapons to a country that is on the verge of war with your ally ... Or don’t the money smell?


    The situation of the 90s is repeating, when ammunition was supplied from Russia to Armenia and Azerbaijan for waging war. Profit at ANY PRICE, even at the cost of the lives of OUR soldiers at 102 bases.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 17 June 2013 11: 47 New
      +1
      In the 30s and 40s of the last century, the United States and Great Britain, as well as part of Europe, did the same. And the USSR helped and Germany helped. And they traded, and changed, and credited. Who was capable of what.
  • Nikolski1973
    Nikolski1973 17 June 2013 06: 43 New
    +2
    And where do we have such a technique? We are arming everyone, but yourself?
  • Vanek
    Vanek 17 June 2013 06: 46 New
    +3
    And who knows? In the first photo, what’s there with a machine gun? I just do not know. But the thoughts are obscene.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 June 2013 06: 56 New
      +5
      Quote: Vanek
      But thoughts are obscene

      Ivan, and where did you get such thoughts, you think transparent than they wrapped winked
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 17 June 2013 06: 59 New
        +6
        Russian-Azerbaijani tank contract providing for the supply of about 200 T-90S tanks,

        I thought his mood fell, which is sent to Azerbaijan.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 June 2013 07: 06 New
          +7
          Quote: Vanek
          I thought his mood fell,

          Who has Aliyev wassat
  • mirag2
    mirag2 17 June 2013 06: 53 New
    +2
    The most competent behavior in this situation is to prevent the escalation of the Karabakh problem.
  • a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 17 June 2013 07: 04 New
    +1
    In Karabakh there are 1,5 roads passable for heavy equipment. And the road in the mountains - here it is, but here
    no longer. And if there is aviation, then massive transfers are generally fraught with the complete destruction of equipment
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 17 June 2013 08: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: a.hamster55
      In Karabakh, 1,5 roads are passable for heavy equipment.


      You don’t know the theater of operations .. besides the pure territory of the NKAR ... there are more 7 districts occupied ... of which the 4 districts are found purely on the plain or in the foothills .. so there are places where the T-72 will unfold ... and in the mountains use T-55 ...
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 09: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: smersh70
        You don’t know the theater of operations .. besides the pure territory of the NKAR ... there are more 7 districts occupied ... of which the 4 districts are found purely on the plain or in the foothills .. so there are places where the T-72 will unfold ... and in the mountains use T-55 ...

        Still hope to fight?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 17 June 2013 09: 31 New
          +3
          And why else so totally buy weapons and military equipment? Show off?
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 17 June 2013 10: 03 New
            +3
            Quote: Spade
            And why else so totally buy weapons and military equipment? Show off?



            some comrades will answer your question ... when all this will fly on their head laughing
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 17 June 2013 10: 14 New
              0
              some comrades will answer your question ... when all this will fly on their head


              On the heads of my friends, my colleagues, my former subordinates (the latter, I hope, will answer this well, it is not in vain that I spent many hundreds of hours dragging them). At the neighbor in the country, the son at the 102nd base serves ...
              We must send the children of our leaders to the 58th Army and send them there. To understand the consequences of their policy "money at all costs"
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 17 June 2013 10: 52 New
                +3
                Quote: Spade
                At the neighbor in the country, the son at the 102nd base serves ...



                Lopatov ... They tell you 100000 times that not a meter of Armenia has been occupied ... but on the contrary, the occupied territories of Azerbaijan have been occupied ... and hostilities, if renewed, will be carried out exclusively in Azerbaijan ... hi and may God grant health to all Russian servicemen serving on this base ....
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 17 June 2013 11: 02 New
                  +1
                  And you have already been told 100000 times that the only shot at the territory of Armenia, their plane or their military unit, and Russia will be obliged to intervene
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 17 June 2013 11: 15 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Spade
                    that the only shot at the territory of Armenia, their plane or their military unit, and Russia will be obliged to intervene


                    don’t worry ... I promise YOU .... sleep soundly ... not a single shot will hit the territory of Armenia .... hi
                    1. Skarte
                      Skarte 17 June 2013 14: 24 New
                      +3
                      If you refer to the main tasks of the CSTO, you need to know all the documentation, all reservations, links, etc. (therefore, so, superficially, I’ll go over it) Here the situation is “funny”. Azerbaijan will begin to liberate its territories occupied by Armenians and has the right to do so, the territory of Armenia is not affected, the CSTO is out of the game, but if one refers to one of the "common" goals of the CSTO, namely
                      an attack by the armed forces of a state on the land, sea or air forces or the sea and air fleets of another state (it will be qualified as an act of aggression);
                      then it’s not at all clear what and how to be request
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 June 2013 14: 59 New
                        0
                        Here I am about that. The gentlemen from Azerbaijan fundamentally do not pay attention to this moment.
                      2. smersh70
                        smersh70 17 June 2013 15: 42 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Spade
                        Lord from Azerbaijan fundamentally do not pay attention to this moment

                        Quote: Spade
                        Lord from Azerbaijan fundamentally do not pay attention to this moment


                        so it means that any CSTO state can seize someone else’s territory .... and when it comes time to get the teeth on it .... then this state will refer to the CSTO treaty ..... class !!!!!!!!!!!! forward the rest of the Collective Security Treaty Organization .. for the capture of Ukraine .. POLAND ..... itd .. and the like .... fool
                      3. Skarte
                        Skarte 17 June 2013 15: 51 New
                        +1
                        Well, you already do not exaggerate comrade smersh70. You are trying to refute the official treaty of the CSTO, ratified and signed. Like it or not, this is a fact and it has a place to be. We are just saying that the situation is stalemate, there are contradictions, and how to get out of this situation is a very interesting question.
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 June 2013 16: 11 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Skarte
                        stalemate

                        Rather, potentially catastrophic. Sorry, clarified.
                      5. smersh70
                        smersh70 17 June 2013 16: 30 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Skarte
                        You are trying to refute the official treaty of the CSTO,



                        but isn’t it better to get together the members of the organization - and tell one of the members - you dishonor our holy goals ... be educated ... you go along the path of Hitler .... you discredit us .... hi
                      6. Skarte
                        Skarte 17 June 2013 17: 00 New
                        +2
                        If it were all so easy in life))) ... But then she and life, to always crawl out of various "bad" places smile
                  2. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 17 June 2013 16: 08 New
                    +3
                    Quote: smersh70
                    so it means that any CSTO state can seize someone else’s territory .... and when it comes time to get the teeth on it .... then this state will refer to the CSTO treaty

                    Exactly. Yes, our National Leader once again burst. But at the moment it is “an objective reality given to us in sensations” (c), is it good or bad. From a military point of view, an alliance with you would be much more beneficial. It is enough to look at the globe of the Caucasus to understand this.
                    But it did not work ... A bunch of ambitions, not supported by common sense on both sides.
                  3. Skarte
                    Skarte 17 June 2013 16: 33 New
                    +2
                    Exactly. Yes, our National Leader once again burst.
                    I got into the EBN (either I wanted to somehow reunite the fragments of the USSR, or else I was guided by someone else who knows !?), and the current Leader inherited the whole situation (headache, in general).
                    From a military point of view, an alliance with you would be much more beneficial.
                    I agree. But as they say "we have what we have"!
              2. smersh70
                smersh70 18 June 2013 12: 53 New
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                Here I am about that. Lord from Azerbaijan fundamentally


                Lopatov especially for YOU - like Belarus. And as my fellow countryman - Commenting on how the CIS presiding Belarus intends to contribute to resolving protracted conflicts in this space, A. Lukashenko said: “I’m far from Transnistria as well what is happening in Georgia, Abkhazia, Ossetia, but once I was pulled to plunge into this problem. I once arrived at the invitation of my friends to visit them in the mountains, they showed them to me, and I started a topic with a purely Belarusian approach. What is Nagorno-Karabakh? How do people live there, where do they work? There is no normal life there. I realized that this problem must be solved. I talked with one president, then with another. He explained that the situation could not be this long. The Armenians agreed with me. I talked with Ilham Aliyev, and he said that he also did not mind. I hate the role of mediator, so I proposed this role to Ukraine, but they did not want to. ”
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 17 June 2013 19: 16 New
              0
              I say - blurry. And blurry on purpose, so that you can interrupt for any situation and desire.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 17 June 2013 18: 18 New
          -2
          Not required. There are too blurry positions.

          http://www.odkb-csto.org/documents/detail.php?ELEMENT_ID=124
        3. Nazim Mursalov
          Nazim Mursalov 12 June 2017 10: 53 New
          0
          let it intervene what can we do about it !!! in Iran, another 50 million Azerbaijanis will definitely fight !!!
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 17 June 2013 11: 40 New
        +2
        Vurgun, do you really not know, there are people for whom the support of Armenia has become a fixed idea, for which the concepts of "territorial integrity", "justice", "logic", "common sense" simply do not exist. So don’t react.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 17 June 2013 12: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: xetai9977
          So don’t react.



          Let's do it !!! smile ..just other comrades read his belaberd)) and if you do not answer, they will think that he is right)))))
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 17 June 2013 12: 31 New
          0
          It’s not good to stoop to naked lies, oh how bad. Even in order to fulfill your main task, propaganda.

          For me, the “fix idea” is to support the Russian Army.
    2. kNow
      kNow 17 June 2013 10: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Spade
      At the neighbor in the country, the son at the 102nd base serves ...

      102nd is not located in Azerbaijan. So your son’s son will still have a wedding
  • smersh70
    smersh70 17 June 2013 10: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Phantom Revolution
    Still hope to fight?



    while negotiations are going on ... but negotiations should not go only for negotiations ... but with the goal of signing a peace .... providing for the liberation of the occupied territories .... but we won’t wait for ages and put up with this situation ..
    as the Russian proverb says - a rifle hanging on the wall .. and that one will shoot someday)))
    Russia did the right thing to restore territorial integrity .. hi You can, but we can’t chtoli ...
    2 proverb - A wedge is kicked out with a wedge smile
  • Artmark
    Artmark 17 June 2013 13: 40 New
    -1
    A strange question, they’re not buying for a museum, but not against Russia!
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  • nagi
    nagi 17 June 2013 08: 00 New
    +4
    Smiled a wooden formwork on 8 photos. smile
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 17 June 2013 08: 19 New
    +1
    I already was afraid that they will put new 2C19. Well guessed the old stuff. Sunshine is also correct. I'm afraid of this bad car. By BMP-3- is also possible. And maybe someone will correct me, but in my opinion this is not a version of "M"
    1. kNow
      kNow 17 June 2013 08: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Spade
      vparit

      What vparit? what time do we live? :) if Azerbaijan doesn’t buy very fresh models, it’s only because the new ones are not considered good enough. And the old ones - the same T-72s, for example - are well modernized with the help of Israel ...
      No need to exhibit as if Russia again almost threw the buyer :)
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 17 June 2013 09: 00 New
        +1
        "Boil"? This is when after hearing "the image is nothing, thirst for everything" you buy a drink that only removes scale from the kettle.
    2. Rumi007
      Rumi007 17 June 2013 08: 42 New
      +5
      Actually, Msta-S 2S19M1 was delivered to Azerbaijan - the modernization of the MSTA-S self-propelled howitzer. It has fire guidance control equipment - ASUNO "Success-S", which provides automatic aimless guidance and storage of information for at least 10 fire tasks. Caliber 152,4 mm. Azerbaijan wouldn’t buy junk. The fact is that Russia on the world market always always represented exactly the 2S19M1 option, and 30 units of Msta-S 2C19M1 were sold to Venezuela. Azerbaijan has already purchased about 40 pieces of self-propelled guns T-155 Firtin 155 mm caliber. And Msta-S is an addition to the already acquired Firtins.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 17 June 2013 08: 59 New
        +1
        Actually, an artillery ballistic station is installed on the 2S19M1. Which on the machines in the pictures there.
        And “ASUNO“ Success-S ”” does not make sense without a complex of control vehicles, which Azerbaijan too ... will guess. Russia does not have it in the troops.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 17 June 2013 18: 19 New
          0
          They will make modernization with Israeli firms, which is more than likely. Or with the Turks.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 17 June 2013 19: 22 New
            +1
            Do it. And we will sell Hamas "Iskander" For fireworks. Well, how not to shoot at a wedding ...
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 17 June 2013 19: 28 New
              +1
              Shovels. Russia is already selling and selling. PA - small arms and armored personnel carriers, Syria - ATGMs and MANPADS - which were guaranteed to go to Hezbollah, Iran, Algeria, Sudan - and these are countries with which Israel has military conflicts. And they didn’t sell toys. At the same time, Russia supplies arms to Azerbaijan. Is this kindergarten funny for you?

              23 countries supplied arms to Georgia. At the request of Russia, only Israel stopped deliveries. But they remember, as the arming side, for some reason only him. Maybe Israel should stop supplying China with arms, and the United States is also potential adversary.
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 17 June 2013 08: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: Spade
      I already was afraid that they will put new 2C19. Well guessed the old stuff



      Envy .. ordinary human envy ..... winked by the way ... comrade Lopatov, and where is yours, friend and comrade-Stoik .. with whom you so zealously did not believe in deliveries and who lost the can of cognac .. drinks fellow
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 17 June 2013 09: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: smersh70
        Quote: Spade
        I already was afraid that they will put new 2C19. Well guessed the old stuff



        Envy .. ordinary human envy ..... winked by the way ... comrade Lopatov, and where is yours, friend and comrade-Stoik .. with whom you so zealously did not believe in deliveries and who lost the can of cognac .. drinks fellow

        The dispute proposal was cognac versus diesel fuel, but the bet wasn’t accepted?
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 17 June 2013 09: 35 New
          +3
          Quote: Semurg
          The dispute proposal was cognac versus diesel fuel, but the bet wasn’t accepted?


          his statement was written in 2 huge works worthy in the spirit of Goebbels propaganda laughing ..on they zealously asserted that there are no supplies ... but in other matters .... there is no light in Armenia ... how can he take a bet ..... fellow
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 17 June 2013 09: 03 New
        +1
        The new one looks like this:

        I was afraid they would sell it. But at least a little brain was enough not to do this.

        By the way, about the "did not believe." So that I do not believe in the silver lovingness of our authorities? Would you please take your words back?
      3. Apollo
        Apollo 17 June 2013 10: 18 New
        +4
        Quote: smersh70
        Comrade Lopatov, and where is yours, friend and comrade-Stoik.


        I welcome you to a colleague. hi

        which one ?! winked their two, one Stoic http://topwar.ru/user/%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%BA/

        and the other Stoik http://topwar.ru/user/Stoik/
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 17 June 2013 10: 54 New
          +3
          Quote: Apollon
          which one ?! there are two, one Stoic


          as Yarbai says, there were about 10 of them laughing now 11 appeared fellow
  • Aeneas
    Aeneas 17 June 2013 08: 45 New
    +2
    and at this time, the Armenians are packed with various MANPADS, cheap and angry.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 17 June 2013 08: 55 New
      +4
      MANPADS will not help with such range.
    2. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 09: 34 New
      +2
      MANPADS against what? Tanks, self-propelled guns, etc.?) Can anti-tank systems?
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 17 June 2013 10: 58 New
        +3
        Speech about self-propelled guns naturally.
      2. Aeneas
        Aeneas 17 June 2013 12: 44 New
        +3
        yes ... I'm talking about anti-tank systems, it’s reported a little :)
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 17 June 2013 09: 43 New
      0
      Recently, on the line (c) of the ront ... our demonstratively brought the art division to line (c) of the ront with the latest models of equipment and guns .... so in response, the Armenians loaded incendiary and thermobaric charges onto the Gaz-52 body. Even with primitive guides, the center of gravity of the machine has moved up.
      For this reason, one of the cars rolled over during demonstrations in front of Azerbaijani soldiers on the front line. .)))) The laughter of our fighters was heard already in Erivan laughing
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 17 June 2013 09: 55 New
        +2
        Have you seen it yourself?
        Why I ask: firstly, they have them not on the Gas-52, but on the GAZ-3308, secondly the charges there are exclusively thermobaric, in the third the guides are not primitive, in the fourth, the installation is so easy that it can "move the center of gravity "by force per millimeter
        1. Phantom Revolution
          Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 10: 10 New
          +2
          I found it, but no, the installation is not such that it would outweigh it to such an extent.
          Yes, and laughter with laughter, but it will not matter if such a thing arrives or a super modern rocket.
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 17 June 2013 10: 19 New
          0
          Quote: Spade
          Have you seen it yourself?


          by the nature of my activity .. I usually always listened to info, I didn’t need to see fellow

          in 2's .. you cite the source ..
          in 3 you think that the Gas-3308 will adequately withstand the Sun laughing
          in 4's, and in the Sun, in your opinion, there are lemonade charges, or what)))
          in 5's, the car just turned over, but at least from the fact that gas ran out)))) ask your outpost friends ..
          1. Phantom Revolution
            Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 10: 45 New
            +3
            Quote: smersh70
            in 2's .. you cite the source ..
            in 3's you think that Gas-3308 will adequately withstand the Sun laughing
            in 4's, and in the Sun, in your opinion, there are lemonade charges, or what)))
            in 5's, the car just turned over, but at least from the fact that gas ran out)))) ask your outpost friends ..

            It is dangerous to underestimate your enemy, even with the previous advantage in favor of Azerbaijan in the 90s, you actually did not achieve any success.
            Regarding the confrontation, well, no matter how they can oppose each other, this is a system of roughly speaking the near radius and they will not shoot at each other, but all the characteristics speak against the Armenian system.
            Starting from the lesion area to the range.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 17 June 2013 11: 21 New
              0
              Quote: Phantom Revolution
              It is dangerous to underestimate your enemy, even with the previous advantage in favor of Azerbaijan in the 90s, you actually did not achieve any success.


              I agree with the first argument!
              there was no preponderance with the second ... this is all speculation .. I gave an example — only on the condition of December 19991 of the year in the USSR Armed Forces there were 10000 senior officers-Armenians, then ours were only 2000, including junior officers ....
              when there was a massacre in Khojaly ... the Armenians, under the leadership of Seyran Ohanyan, already had 1 SMB equipment, 366 regiment .. and this was before 92 Tashkent, when they started dividing the property .... but with this we were given equipment and weapons ... I hope you guess ....
              1. Phantom Revolution
                Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 12: 18 New
                +2
                Quote: smersh70
                there was no preponderance with the second ... this is all speculation .. I gave an example — only on the condition of December 19991 of the year in the USSR Armed Forces there were 10000 senior officers-Armenians, then ours were only 2000, including junior officers ....
                when there was a massacre in Khojaly ... the Armenians, under the leadership of Seyran Ohanyan, already had 1 SMB equipment, 366 regiment .. and this was before 92 Tashkent, when they started dividing the property .... but with this we were given equipment and weapons ... I hope you guess ....

                Those who are unsure of their strength will not start a war. Apparently overestimated their capabilities without checking everything. Regarding the imperfect state, both you and the Armenians supplied the equipment in not very good condition, and there were direct sabotages. But there were fewer Armenians, and even so there are fewer, perhaps a qualitative superiority was on the side of Armenia.
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 18 June 2013 11: 30 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Phantom Revolution
                  perhaps a qualitative advantage was on the side of Armenia.


                  HERE YOU and another answer --- In an interview with the Yerevan newspaper New Time, the ex-head of the Presidential Administration of Russia in 1993-1996, and now chairman of the Moscow Writers Union, Sergey Filatov admitted that he has Armenian roots and that he exerted assistance to the Karabakh separatists in the war against Azerbaijan. Thus, he once again confirmed Azerbaijan’s data on assistance to the Armenian separatists, which Russia provided at the state level.


                  So, according to S. Filatov, his mother is an Armenian by nationality, Maria Arutyunovna Arushanyan.


                  “For the first time, I arrived in Armenia on September 1 of the 91st year after the Emergency Committee, when a referendum was announced here. Of course, I was stunned by the joy that was here. I felt subcutaneously that it was an unreal joy. After this joy, very bitter disappointments will follow. But, nevertheless, I traveled a lot of places, visited the Armenian relatives. The second time I came by invitation at a high level, when the first "elections" were in Nagorno-Karabakh. Karabakh was engulfed in war. I met with Levon Ter-Petrosyan, with Robert Kocharyan, as far as I could, helping with fuel and armored vehicles. I did not help Karabakh because I was Armenian, but in order for justice to triumph. Of course, by that time I had studied and revised a lot of materials, I even wrote an article in Friendship of Peoples, which I didn’t accept - they were afraid, they said that it was very one-sided, and they were afraid of a response from Azerbaijan.


                  ... For the sake of some political things, Stalin changed the configuration, gave away the areas, especially when there were migrations of many peoples to Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan. Stalin really did not like Armenia. Driving here with Svetlana in a car, I once threw such a phrase that "everything must be done so that this people are not here."
                  ... Our historical need and duty to help Armenia. And now Nagorno-Karabakh stuck with everyone, like a bone in the throat: if you move here, it will be bad, if you move here, it will also be bad. And naturally, one may ask, why did Russia so quickly resolve the issue with Abkhazia and South Ossetia? Because there is nobody behind it. And here, behind this problem are countries that can seriously inhibit other processes. Therefore, it is a very long and difficult process, ”S. Filatov said.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 17 June 2013 10: 55 New
            -3
            Quote: smersh70
            by the nature of my activity .. I usually always listened to info, I didn’t need to see

            Write to this source that you need to compose believable. With the "Sunshine" must be fought not with things like N-1, but with conventional ATGMs. It is not for nothing that they are so reluctant to put into the arsenal of the RA
            1. Phantom Revolution
              Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 11: 09 New
              +3
              Quote: Spade
              Write to this source that you need to compose believable. With the "Sunshine" must be fought not with things like N-1, but with conventional ATGMs. It is not for nothing that they are so reluctant to put into the arsenal of the RA

              TOS-suns do not have the task of being able to knock him out of the ATGM, all the more so since it is not so easy to do at a distance of 6 km, more precisely, it is unlikely. And they’re not so willing to buy it, because we have enough 13 pieces and other systems, so far we are not going to Afghanistan, we won’t fight in the mountains either, there are no enemies, and if they appear, they will cope with a bang and other systems. The system has its own peculiarities.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 17 June 2013 11: 45 New
                +2
                Do you think the Azerbaijanis, unlike ours, will guess to put them into service with artillery units? Fresh giving, but hard to believe. So only trash, only semi-direct aiming.
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 17 June 2013 12: 06 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  Do you think the Azerbaijanis, unlike ours, will guess to put them into service with artillery units?


                  we will take into account your wishes good
                2. Phantom Revolution
                  Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 12: 11 New
                  +2
                  I think we took into account the experience of the Chechen war, where the TOS showed itself very well.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 17 June 2013 12: 36 New
                    -1
                    I saw this "not bad." In Komsomolsky. I did not say in vain that I was afraid of this kaku, dangerous not only for the enemy.
                    1. Phantom Revolution
                      Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 12: 43 New
                      0
                      Well, as it were, the thing is powerful .... And s-300 again, but I hope that there are bookmarks in case of a conflict with us. Well, again, shells for the same TOS or c-300 must be bought from someone, we will definitely not sell them in case of war, although this is encouraging) lol
                      Yes, and I think as long as we are in Armenia, there will be no war, although Azerbaijan is arming itself, but with the Russian military potential it cannot win and may lose even more than it had.
                      But in fact, I hope that we have something to answer on that base. No wonder it is rearming. recourse
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 June 2013 12: 53 New
                        0
                        When you see how the rocket of this “powerful thing” goes off the trajectory, and, tumbling, flies to the left, in your direction, the impressions are indescribable. At first you remember your whole life, and after the developers, those who collected, those who apply, their relatives to the third knee ...
                      2. smersh70
                        smersh70 17 June 2013 14: 40 New
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        , tumbling, flies to the left, in your direction - indescribable impressions



                        Well, if you are still at the computer .. why bother developers laughing laughing
                      3. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 June 2013 15: 21 New
                        +1
                        Flew in my direction, and therefore I have the right. Why are they better than flamethrowers who just over their ears from the infantry did not get their offspring for fortels?
                      4. smersh70
                        smersh70 17 June 2013 15: 37 New
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        Flew in my direction, and therefore I have the right. H



                        probably you .. trehobemny)))))))
                        but seriously ... don’t worry, ours will fly in the right direction and in the right direction, in the direction of the smell of cognac fellow
                3. Artmark
                  Artmark 17 June 2013 13: 57 New
                  0
                  Dear there will be no war until Russia wants this! hi
                4. Phantom Revolution
                  Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 18: 24 New
                  +1
                  Quote: ArtMark
                  Dear there will be no war until Russia wants this! hi

                  I do not quite agree here, at least it will not let me flare up in a full-scale war.
  • tun1313
    tun1313 17 June 2013 09: 03 New
    0
    Damn and why, why, obviously, not for the fight against chemical weapons.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 17 June 2013 10: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: tun1313
      Damn and why, why, obviously, not for the fight against chemical weapons.



      for smoking individual centers of resistance .. left behind the rear of the advancing troops of Azerbaijan. in the mountains of Karabakh ... hi
  • dc120mm
    dc120mm 17 June 2013 09: 56 New
    0
    Sereznaya technique! What will the Armenians say?
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 10: 21 New
      +3
      By re-equipping the Russian military base in Armenia, well, they themselves seem to be re-arming only even slowly, in the news at least I didn’t see much. Maybe they will dedicate the Armenian forum users. hi
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    3. smersh70
      smersh70 17 June 2013 10: 29 New
      +4
      The Azerbaijanian tsev have Junkers 88 and Heinkels 111 ???
      If so, then the gun is the most suitable!
      Judging by the thick layer of rust on the tracks and the growing grass under MTLB - the technique is not fighting.
      The guys just gently stroking it for metal)))))
    4. Artmark
      Artmark 17 June 2013 13: 59 New
      0
      And the Armenians will tell PEACE PEACE !!! Everything will be OK !! drinks
  • Vtel
    Vtel 17 June 2013 10: 21 New
    +1
    The mustache is ready for the military division of Karabakh. It remains to bring a match, and this is the Western "friends" will try.
    1. experienced
      experienced 17 June 2013 10: 30 New
      +5
      Quote: Vtel
      The mustache is ready for the military division of Karabakh. It remains to bring a match, and this is the Western "friends" will try.

      There will be no "divide", NK will either entirely withdraw to Azerbaijan or Armenia will have a very weak chance of Autonomy, but also WHOLE. It seems to me that the supply of Russian arms to Azerbaijan is a hint of Armenia, which through its lobby is trying to enlist the support of the United States. IMHO
      Regarding "reliable allies of Armenians" I advise you not to be deceived hi
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 17 June 2013 11: 54 New
        +5
        Greetings, Alex! And colleagues do not read Armenian sites. Sometimes it would not hurt. You will learn a lot about yourself! recourse
        1. experienced
          experienced 17 June 2013 12: 41 New
          +5
          Quote: xetai9977
          And colleagues do not read Armenian sites. Sometimes it would not hurt. You will learn a lot about yourself!

          Well, this is not an indicator, but rather modern realities. It is unpleasant to realize, but the attitude towards Russia is neutral-wary at best, and in most cases hostile. Maybe they can’t forgive the “blood” of the rupture, for some reason Russia is most often considered the culprit of the collapse of the USSR, it can be unpleasant that the “power is growing stronger”, and not getting drunk ... request
          Personally, I don’t want Russian guys to spill blood in their war. And your (Armenian-Azerbaijani dismantling) is not the foothold on which the Russians should die hi IMHO
          Armenians use Russia, but this does not mean that they are allies of Russia or the advocates of its interests, just such a “friendship” is now beneficial to them and nothing more.
          1. Phantom Revolution
            Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 13: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: seasoned
            Armenians use Russia, but this does not mean that they are allies of Russia or the advocates of its interests, just such a “friendship” is now beneficial to them and nothing more.

            I agree, but you forget the CSTO treaty, which Russia will be obligated to support Armenia, alas, Azerbaijan has withdrawn from it, so there will not be a precedent and will have to prove it not by word of will. And the fact that pumping the same Azerbaijan with arms is beneficial for us, because in case of a rarefied situation, Armenia will change course in the direction of the EU, this is quite possible.
            There are two options, either we leave and give the Karabakh to Azerbaijan, but don’t be fooled that Azerbaijan will become our friend after that, and all the more so, as a result, we will lose our status, reputation, the CSTO will cease to exist and we will receive a center of tension in the Caucasus, already aimed at us.

            Either Azerbaijan is the first to attack, then we will have to intervene, and either Armenia will move away or it will continue to be independent.
            1. experienced
              experienced 17 June 2013 13: 13 New
              +6
              Quote: Phantom Revolution
              I agree, but you forget the CSTO treaty, which Russia will be obliged to support Armenia,

              Armenia, but not NK. If it even “flames up” in NK, no one plans to capture Yerevan. The CSTO, in my opinion, does not meet the conditions that were imposed on it when it was created.
              Belarus said that no Belarusian soldier would not fight on foreign territory.
              The armies of the other participants are weak, reinforcing the "guards" who guard the bais, and the armies are worse than the Soviet construction battalion. And it is unlikely that anyone will provide units for participating in the CSTO missions; rather, they will single out what they themselves do not need. Remember the 1st assault on Grozny, and how, on the orders of the Moscow Region, “volunteers” were gathered from all the armed forces and, as a result, incomplete equipment and “violators of military and political training” ... Not a single normal commander will send good fighters, he needs them himself, they’ll send them (themselves understand).
              CSTO is now an opportunity to cheaply buy Russian equipment and nothing more. IMHO
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 17 June 2013 13: 27 New
                -2
                Georgia attacked the territory of the Russian Federation? Tried to take Moscow?
                No.
                Then why did we bring troops into the territory of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and being guided by the state’s right to self-defense?
                1. experienced
                  experienced 17 June 2013 13: 30 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Spade
                  Georgia attacked the territory of the Russian Federation? Trying to capture Moscow? Then why did we bring troops into the territory of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, moreover, guided by the state’s right to self-defense?

                  It’s strange to explain common truths to you, but there was an attack on Russian peacekeepers and do not forget about a large% of Russians in Abkhazia and South Ossetia hi
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 17 June 2013 13: 46 New
                    0
                    Quote: seasoned
                    but there was an attack on Russian peacekeepers

                    Oh, the correct answer. An attack on units of the country's armed forces is an act of aggression against the country.

                    Then the next question: are there divisions of the Armenian army on the territory of NK?
                    1. smersh70
                      smersh70 17 June 2013 14: 31 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Spade
                      Assault on Aircraft Units


                      if it goes like this ... then every large state should issue its passports to any citizen and say that we are defending its citizens ... and is it justification for aggression against another state that some sort of aerial bombardment fell into the position of peacekeepers ....
                      as Hitler did in 39 .... in connection with the attack on a German radio station, starting the war .... Bravo, Lopatin. !!!!!!!!!!.
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 June 2013 15: 27 New
                        0
                        Quote: smersh70
                        . That means every large state must issue any citizens their passports

                        What's the passport here?
                      2. smersh70
                        smersh70 17 June 2013 15: 34 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        What's the passport here?


                        how)) don’t pretend to be)) tomorrow give passports to any citizens of any state. and tell me - we are protecting Russian (American, Polish, etc., etc.) citizens ..... hi
                      3. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 June 2013 16: 14 New
                        +1
                        Passports - left thing. We are talking about military units.
                2. Apollo
                  Apollo 17 June 2013 14: 37 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Spade
                  Then the next question: are there divisions of the Armenian army on the territory of NK?


                  short yes.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 17 June 2013 15: 53 New
                    +2
                    And that's why we are likely opponents. And that is precisely why I am against the sale of arms to your country.
                    And I am afraid that your politicians, having not solved this big problem, will decide to return NK. Which will lead to a regional war, because Russia, and probably Turkey, will be dragged into the conflict.

                    I hope that adequate people in your country understand this.

                    I am not against Azerbaijanis, I am not against Armenians. I do not respect the actions of Armenia as a state, I do not like the actions of your authorities, which purposefully lead Azerbaijan to a war fraught with unpredictable consequences. In this I see a huge problem, a powder keg around which a bunch of high-ranking idiots with lighters jump. Ours, yours, Armenian, other ...

                    After all, as usual, people are paying for the mistakes of any authorities in any country. And first of all, Ali, Armen da Ivan with shoulder straps. And I don’t want to see this at all.

                    I drove the boy for the last time home. Thank God, he did not return his own to his mothers. His commander in Vladik was lying in the intensive care unit, and the NS regiment caught me. I would advise all hawks to visit my shoes.

                    That, in fact, was all that I wanted to write.
                  2. smersh70
                    smersh70 17 June 2013 16: 32 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Spade
                    That, in fact, was all that I wanted to write.



                    YOU, dear Lopatov ... companion Prokhanov slang .... a feeling that he is speaking .... smile
                  3. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 17 June 2013 16: 41 New
                    +2
                    I'll find, read, thanks. True, he heard from the Communists. Not really my ideology.
                  4. Pimply
                    Pimply 17 June 2013 19: 19 New
                    -1
                    Lopatov wrote very sound things, by the way. Prokhanov here does not smell.
                  5. experienced
                    experienced 17 June 2013 19: 22 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Lopatov wrote very sound things, by the way. Prokhanov here does not smell.

                    He answered very well yesterday in a different topic, but as a military man he is well done, but in political matters he is a user. IMHO
                    And I still do not accept militarists, I myself was thrown into my own time ... I will not forgive, I do not want to be repeated hi
                    They’ll attack Russia, Ukraine, I’ll go to war myself, but fire on the Caucasus (not Russian), I had enough experience am
                  6. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 17 June 2013 22: 33 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Lopatov wrote very sound things, by the way. Prokhanov here does not smell.

                    That's for sure. I lost my first friend in September 96 at Tsetom Netzarim. His mother was still at the funeral, and the older sister just howled. And then in 2001, and in 2002 three. Bolkonsky seems to have said: "War is a dirty business." And I would say the worst of all human sins.
      2. Pacifist
        Pacifist 17 June 2013 13: 34 New
        +1
        Because, in accordance with the union agreement, the right of autonomies to join any associations is determined by referendum. The data of these repeated referenda by the Georgian government were ignored and she tried to solve these issues by military means. For what I repeatedly received a wort of tinsel ... in 2008, apparently bored, having gone on about the owners, we decided to try again ... Neither historically nor politically, Georgia has no rights to these territories. The rest is wishful thinking.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 17 June 2013 13: 48 New
          +1
          This is the tenth thing. The use of force by Russia was based on the country's right to self-defense. Georgians made a huge mistake - committed an act of aggression against Russian peacekeepers
    2. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 13: 31 New
      0
      Quote: seasoned
      Armenia, but not NK. If it even “flames up” in NK, no one plans to capture Yerevan.

      Again, Armenia will intervene in this conflict 100% and we will not have to calm both sides. And with the increased military power of Azerbaijan, it will be necessary to carry out an operation to force peace. If we stupidly bring it to nothing, under the pretext that they say this is not Armenia’s territory and you yourself if you want to fight, then again an American base will appear in Armenia, instead of ours, because again Karabakh binds us.
      Well, how can I say the CSTO is a crude project, but still it is developing quite well and of course I understand that Russia is the main locomotive. But the CSTO is doing the same "buffer" at the Russian borders, nor like in the USSR, but it will also do.
  • Artmark
    Artmark 17 June 2013 14: 03 New
    -2
    And if in Karabakh they hold a referendum to join Russia ????
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 14: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: ArtMark
      And if in Karabakh they hold a referendum to join Russia ????

      We don’t need it this time, the second one will not do this, first you lose more than you gain, the second if this territory had strategic importance, it would long ago become independent, and this is just a stumbling block between Armenia and Azerbaijan and no more. Like Transnistria, which by the way wanted to join the Russian Federation sometime. Even if a conflict occurs, most likely Russia will leave this question and spread it in the corners.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 17 June 2013 14: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: ArtMark
      And if in Karabakh they hold a referendum to join Russia ????


      if every part of the people starts referenda on joining, then what will it be smile and where is the Helsinki Treaty of 75 years.
      by the way so spend in Los Angeles ... in Akhalkalaki ... in Rostov-on-Don ... in France ... there are many of you too .. fellow
      and in the 3rd - take it higher - let's immediately join Mars .... you will be the first and independent there .... laughing
  • Apollo
    Apollo 17 June 2013 14: 46 New
    +4
    Quote: seasoned
    There will be no "divide", NK will either entirely withdraw to Azerbaijan or Armenia will have a very weak chance of Autonomy, but also WHOLE. It seems to me that the supply of Russian arms to Azerbaijan is a hint of Armenia, which through its lobby is trying to enlist the support of the United States. IMHO
    Regarding "reliable allies of Armenians" I advise you not to be deceived


    I welcome Alex hi
    When the USSR was in office, the first secretary of the regional party committee was always a person of Armenian nationality, the second secretary of either Russian or Azerbaijani nationality.

    The leadership of Azerbaijan has repeatedly proposed and offers the widest autonomy that exists only in world practice. Moreover, Azerbaijan agrees that the person of Armenian nationality should remain at the head of this high-level autonomy. Azerbaijan is getting richer every day, that is, of Armenian ethnicity and their children can take advantage of all the benefits. Moreover, Azerbaijan, even now, can invest in the economy of Karabakh billions Everyone will win. The rhetorical question is what else is needed ?! winked
    1. experienced
      experienced 17 June 2013 14: 53 New
      +6
      Quote: Apollon
      When the USSR was in office, the first secretary of the regional party committee was always a person of Armenian nationality, the second secretary of either Russian or Azerbaijani nationality.

      Welcome hi ! I’ll add a little that in the event of any nationalistic manifestations (if the KGB had slammed their ears) in a matter of hours, order would be restored, the nearest military unit + police would be raised. Now this will not work. And so earlier in all republics the Second Secretary was usually Russian.

      Quote: Apollon
      . Rhetorical question what else is needed ?!

      Come on honestly winked Someone making not bad money on this, there was always “To whom war is, and to whom mother is dear”, right away there are weapons and money, people don’t give a damn. IMHO
      Any ordinary Saratovites, Novosibirsk, Tula from the Armenian-Azerbaijani "dismantling" is not warm not cold, moreover, everyone will be against his son being thrown into the hell. Why is Lopatov so happy for involving Russia in another war, let him remain on his conscience?
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 17 June 2013 14: 56 New
        +5
        Quote: seasoned
        Come on honestly Someone makes good money on this, there was always "To whom the war is, and to whom the mother is dear", right away there are weapons and money, people don’t give a damn. IMHO


        Ah Alexey, Alexey, you look into the water, alas ............ ten.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 17 June 2013 15: 55 New
        +1
        Am I advocating? I just understand that this is inevitable. That's all.
        1. experienced
          experienced 17 June 2013 16: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: Spade
          Am I advocating?

          Reread your comments hi
          Quote: Spade
          I just understand that this is inevitable

          Glory to B .. it doesn’t depend on your understanding and desire hi
          Quote: Spade
          That's all.

          I suggest you not to go into the Armenian-Azerbaijani topics to maintain your moral health. And all hi
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 17 June 2013 16: 27 New
            0
            Quote: seasoned
            I suggest you not to go into the Armenian-Azerbaijani topics to maintain your moral health

            You better not offer me anything.
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 17 June 2013 10: 40 New
    0
    what can I say, New technology blinds the eye with its beauty. Whether it is right or wrong to arm Azerbaijan will judge time. Of course, I hope that this technique will not shoot at either Russian or Armenians, not Azerbaijanis, all the same, we have a lot in common - in the past)

    Probably a very large diaspora from Azerbaijan helped push their deal in Moscow (and indeed in Russia).
  • Kars
    Kars 17 June 2013 10: 46 New
    +4
    Read the contract. What on what and under what conditions they put it.
    1. experienced
      experienced 17 June 2013 10: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: Kars
      Read the contract. What on what and under what conditions they put it.

      I am pleased with your sense of humor wassat Thank you for not asking about the size of kickbacks. laughing
      1. Kars
        Kars 17 June 2013 11: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        what about the size of rollbacks do not ask

        Well, it doesn’t really interest me to consider other people's money.

        At the same time, something suspects me that something is unclean there. But here I am too biased.

        Yes, by the way - you were probably gone.
        1. experienced
          experienced 17 June 2013 12: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: Kars
          Yes, by the way - you were probably gone.

          Circumstances laughing
          It’s strange that they didn’t forget hi
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 17 June 2013 11: 14 New
    +4
    It’s good to hear about such deliveries, otherwise they gave a loan to buy, they gave it to them, they wrote off to others .. finally the goods = real money.
    As they say Al gulum ver gulum hi
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 17 June 2013 12: 08 New
      +5
      And Azerbaijan ALWAYS paid in cash. Unlike our neighbors, which does not pay at all.
  • ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 17 June 2013 12: 05 New
    +3


    Buying weapons on 4 billion bol
  • Free
    Free 17 June 2013 12: 09 New
    0
    Technique, what you need! Good luck to use.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 17 June 2013 12: 22 New
      +2
      Thank you for your wishes!!!
  • Geokingxnumx
    Geokingxnumx 17 June 2013 13: 27 New
    +1
    interesting )
    great technique soldier



    the situation reminds 90)))
  • alan_07
    alan_07 17 June 2013 13: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: GEOKING95
    as well as an even stronger image of Russia as a reliable supplier of high-tech quality weapons.

    Interestingly, but the fact that we threw Iran and Syria at the moment, as they say? If we, as a reliable supplier of high-tech high-quality weapons, would fulfill our contract since 2009, then what is happening in the Middle East might not have happened !!!
  • sergey72
    sergey72 17 June 2013 14: 15 New
    +3
    Knocking on revenge drums and buying glands is in every way cheaper than solving everyday problems of a million refugees.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 17 June 2013 14: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: sergey72
      everyday problems of a million refugees.


      In total, in the 2001-2009 years, on allocated funds worth 646,1 million manats of the State Oil Fund (612,9 million manats) and other sources (33,2 million manats) for 18190 families - 81,8 , 63 refugees and internally displaced persons, 10168 villages and private houses with a living area of ​​2 m123 were built, as well as 4 secondary schools, 37 music schools, 45 kindergartens, 33 medical institutions, 542 communication houses, 645 km of roads, 1007 km were laid - water supply, 81,5 km - air-electric, 33,1 km - gas, 1,27 km - sewer, 11 km - heating lines, on the area irrigation works were carried out in 537 hectares, 256 transformers of various capacities were constructed - See more at: http://garabagh.net/content_0_en.html#sthash.9kpr5JXNUMXt.dpuf
      A working meeting between the Georgian Minister for Refugees from the Occupied Territories and Settlement David Darakhvelidze and Deputy Minister Nino Chavchavadze with the Azerbaijani Ambassador to Georgia Azer Huseyn was held, Trend said during a meeting with the situation of refugees and internally displaced persons in Azerbaijan. The parties agreed that Darakhvelidze will be invited to Azerbaijan to familiarize himself with the situation on the spot.
      In turn, Darakhvelidze noted that Azerbaijan’s experience in this matter is very interesting for Georgia.

      Azerbaijan has managed to solve the housing problem of refugees, the minister said.

      "The country also has successes in terms of employing refugees, especially in villages. The State Committee for Refugees and Forced Migrants Affairs is functioning in Azerbaijan. Unlike our organization, this is a slightly different structure. We want to get better acquainted with the experience of Azerbaijan," Darakhvelidze said. .
      In 2012, in the direction of solving the social problems of refugees and internally displaced persons, 6 new housing complexes were laid in Azerbaijan, 22765 internally displaced persons (4553 families) were relocated to new homes, 6 schools for 3300 pupils were built
      1. sergey72
        sergey72 17 June 2013 15: 11 New
        +4
        It’s been solved for 103 thousand, but how much is left, are you talking about a million refugees? And I apologize - how did it turn out that surpassing the Armenians in everything (weapons, army size, population) did you find yourself in this situation? Isn't it better to spend the money spent on armor on people?
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 17 June 2013 15: 50 New
          0
          Quote: sergey72
          For 103 thousand solved, but how much is left



          but it would not be better to return the refugees to their homes ... after all, they have the right to it.

          this is the data for 2009 ... total to date 3 billion manats (1 manat-1 euro) have been spent, but there are problems. no one denies .....

          why did your grandfather sit at the machine for 19 hours during the Second World War .. like my grandfather .. according to your words. why such torment was necessary ... difficulties, it would be necessary to conclude an agreement with Hitler and all the funds of the USSR should be directed to the arrangement of Leningrad, Moscow, Kiev, Minsk refugees in Central Asia and the Caucasus .... hi .
          1. sergey72
            sergey72 17 June 2013 16: 07 New
            +2
            Well, why so juggle with our grandfathers!
          2. sergey72
            sergey72 17 June 2013 16: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: smersh70
            Quote: sergey72
            For 103 thousand solved, but how much is left



            but it would not be better to return the refugees to their homes ... after all, they have the right to it.

            this is the data for 2009 ... total to date 3 billion manats (1 manat-1 euro) have been spent, but there are problems. no one denies .....

            why did your grandfather sit at the machine for 19 hours during the Second World War .. like my grandfather .. according to your words. why such torment was necessary ... difficulties, it would be necessary to conclude an agreement with Hitler and all the funds of the USSR should be directed to the arrangement of Leningrad, Moscow, Kiev, Minsk refugees in Central Asia and the Caucasus .... hi .
            HERE agrees with the first lines ... And now, figure out how much they spent at the same time, for the second line. And for the third, God is your judge.
          3. Pimply
            Pimply 17 June 2013 19: 21 New
            -1
            Those that were their own have been leveled for a long time. When this return takes place - no one knows. And whether it will take place. Will everyone come back - etc.
        2. xetai9977
          xetai9977 17 June 2013 16: 14 New
          +3
          Sergey And lose the remaining 80% of the territory? It’s not from a good life that one has to spend huge sums of money on the army. We don’t want to find ourselves in the early 90s again.
  • Gooch
    Gooch 17 June 2013 15: 33 New
    +2
    DANCE PONUS! :)
  • Gooch
    Gooch 17 June 2013 16: 07 New
    +1
    Why tank tanks without side screens?
  • sergey72
    sergey72 17 June 2013 16: 31 New
    0
    If you had built such a life as in the picture in the comment, then Karabakh CAM would have rushed to you! Now the rest: Russia will fight with Azerbaijan, if only because taking Karabakh back you won’t be able to stop. At some point, there will be euphoria and the temptation to make final payments for earlier grievances, and other players will come into play there. And not
    tell me that I'm wrong, listen carefully to Elham Aliyev. Yes, and the United States will not let it stop
    Turkey
    1. Gooch
      Gooch 17 June 2013 16: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: sergey72
      At some point, there will be euphoria and the temptation to make final calculations for earlier grievances, and there other players will come into play.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 17 June 2013 16: 43 New
      +4
      Nobody will run anywhere. National issues are a very difficult thing
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 17 June 2013 16: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: sergey72
      If you built a life like in the picture in the comment


      this is not a picture ... these are real houses .... in our Ganja (Kirovabad), right now, about 15 nine-story buildings are being built at the entrance ... with schools ... a hospital ... free with all the bells and whistles .... the euro is at all ... but most importantly, refugees, they say, thank you to the state .... but we want to go back to our homes .... to the land of our ancestors ... let's go barefoot ... we will negotiate peace ... well, but if not .. let's go all ... under the bullet ... with the whole family .... it is better to die than live in a foreign land ...
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 17 June 2013 21: 23 New
        +2
        Vurgun efendi on how many tanks did you conclude a contract?
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 17 June 2013 22: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: ayyildiz
          Vurgun efendi on how many tanks did you conclude a contract?



          Yarbai says, at 200 ... here .. passed in (in) and at 100. pieces .... my version is 1 battalion (31 tanks)
          here in the video on the highway counted 18 pieces
          and the exact amount is known by Stoik and Armenian intelligence ... fellow
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 17 June 2013 22: 15 New
            +5
            Quote: smersh70
            and the exact amount is known by Stoik and Armenian intelligence

            Thank you made me laugh at night!
    4. GP
      GP 17 June 2013 19: 07 New
      0
      Quote: sergey72
      Now the rest: Russia will fight with Azerbaijan, if only because taking Karabakh back you won’t be able to stop.


      You would look at the map where the NKR is located, so there is nowhere to scatter, so much so as not to stop.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 17 June 2013 22: 04 New
        0
        Quote: GP
        Would you look at the map r


        We don’t need an alien .... we would have to win our own back ... and all .... and we ask you to go for the race .. The Karabakh horses are one of the most famous ... (by the way, our neighbors whistled everything - food, music .. dances .... but for some reason they cannot breed Karabakh horses) smile
  • ed65b
    ed65b 17 June 2013 16: 34 New
    +4
    Today, I promised not to troll either Armenians or Azerbaijanis. may this technique please the eye with beauty and power in parades and exercises. And all other issues are resolved through negotiations. even the most unsolvable. And we rejoice at successes and worry about each other's failures.
    I say goodbye to sim for today.
    1. experienced
      experienced 17 June 2013 16: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: ed65b
      And we rejoice at successes and worry about each other's failures.

      Only + hi
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 17 June 2013 16: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: ed65b
      I say goodbye to sim for today.

      Quote: ed65b
      I say goodbye to sim for today.

      Quote: ed65b
      I say goodbye to sim for today.


      the first time I put YOU + smile
  • viktoxz
    viktoxz 17 June 2013 16: 51 New
    0
    people you have not heard that the entire database of Internet users has been leaked to the network with open access! There is all the information from personal photos and videos to personal correspondence and copies of documents. There you can of course delete your data if you do not want everyone to see them. Here is the link- http://addr.pk/a619a
  • Pimply
    Pimply 17 June 2013 18: 32 New
    0
    Aviation. In order to move to some more or less serious level, you need at least 100-150 strike fighters of the F-16, Mig-29 or Su-27 type. Moreover, the former are preferable due to the wider range of precision weapons.

    Without this, everything else will lose its meaning.
    1. Gooch
      Gooch 17 June 2013 18: 41 New
      +1
      The MiG-29 doesn’t count :) And it’s better to pieces 30-50 - F15, they will make the weather in any quantity, but considering their cost, this is fantastic .. But instead of the MiG, the Mirage 2000 will be much more successful.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 17 June 2013 19: 24 New
        +1
        Mirages 2000 is an obsolete car. Then Rafali. Mig-29 - perhaps yes.
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 17 June 2013 19: 30 New
          +5
          Pimply
          What about gripfen NG, what can you say?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 17 June 2013 19: 58 New
            +1
            It won’t work. Azerbaijan needs no one to intervene in its mess with Armenia. And that means powerful air force. Gripen is not bad for local operations. But for a possible confrontation in the air against a serious adversary - no, or in order to convince that the introduction of troops would be too expensive a venture.

            Therefore, Azerbaijan will need fighter jets, and AWACS aircraft will be required. And all this - in decent quantities. 3-4 annual defense budgets.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 17 June 2013 22: 08 New
              +3
              Quote: Pimply
              Gripen not bad for local operations


              we want it for local operations .... and Mig-29 in the amount of 15 pieces is in version 4 ++ .... it’s true with whom to fight for air superiority ... Armenians have 1 Mig-25. which is barely flies ... and a couple of attack aircraft .. and the rest .. one of Yaki and An-2 laughing
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 17 June 2013 23: 27 New
                +3
                Azerbaijan has air superiority. Because Armenia has virtually nothing. The question is that Azerbaijan does not just need superiority, it needs a guarantee that in the event of a clash with Armenia they will not get to it. And water for this needs a powerful air force. Those that would guarantee a certain situation: the fact that with Azerbaijan, even with the Air Force, in many respects superior to its aviation in number, they simply will not want to get in touch.
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 17 June 2013 22: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: Pimply
          Then Rafali. Mig-29 - perhaps yes.


          Next time, we will already agree with Russia on the sale of the SU-34 ... Poghosyan will not sell .... We will ask Dvorkovich if he has an Azerbaijani wife, or AST Telman, he will build another Mardan Palace in Sochi ... .so we have a diaspora ... laughing
        3. Gooch
          Gooch 18 June 2013 13: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          Mirages 2000 is an obsolete car. Then Rafali. Mig-29 - perhaps yes.

          So the Su-27 is not a new machine) like the F-16, they just are much cheaper than such Rolls-Royces of the aircraft industry as F15, Rafaley, Su-35, Typhoons, the more they can be used in multi-purpose operations, the F16 can do anything, if staffed properly)
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 18 June 2013 16: 28 New
            0
            The question is in the nomenclature of weapons.
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 17 June 2013 22: 47 New
    +1
    I think Putin started a big game. All of the weapons supplied to Azerbaijan put him to sleep and creates the illusion that Russia is for Azerbaijan to regain its integrity. And when he begins military operations, Russia will enter the CSTO treaty and may even occupy it! roughly speaking, this is just a provocation. If someone says that Karabakh is the territory of Azerbaijan and the treaty does not work here, then this is also done simply by deploying the guns of Armenia and fumbling around Yerevan and the whole treaty will enter into force!
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 17 June 2013 23: 04 New
      +5
      Quote: bomg.77
      about Yerevan and the whole contract comes into force!


      There, other agreements will also come into force!

      Quote: bomg.77
      And when he begins hostilities Russia will enter under the CSTO treaty and may even occupy


      It will not be so easy to occupy, whoever will necessarily intercede for Azerbaijan!
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 18 June 2013 00: 35 New
        -1
        As for the occupation, it most likely will not come to this, it was an option, but as to intercede, they did it with Georgia, they can only help in information!
  • smersh70
    smersh70 18 June 2013 10: 19 New
    +6
    On June 15, social networks posted photos of unloading tanks and other equipment for the ground forces under the port, which, according to forum visitors, can be shown during the parade in honor of Azerbaijan Armed Forces Day in Baku on June 26. Two sources in the Russian defense industry have confirmed to Vedomosti that the photos are genuine and reflect the process of deliveries of ground military equipment that began in the spring under a package of contracts with Azerbaijan concluded in 2011-2012.


    As Vesti.Az reports, according to the Vedomosti interlocutor, we are talking about contracts for three battalions (94 units) of T-90S tanks, about three battalions (about 100 units) of infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3, a division (18 units) Msta-S self-propelled artillery installations, Smerch multiple launch rocket launcher systems (18 launchers), Vienna’s self-propelled artillery division (18 units) and TOS-6A heavy flamethrower systems (1 units) Solntsepek "(a new modification of the Pinocchio system).
    Complete with tanks, armored repair and evacuation vehicles BREM-1М and engineering machines for unlocking the IMR-3М based on T-90 are purchased, and all the necessary machines for shooting maintenance and control are purchased for the guns and launchers of the RSZO. At the same time, T-90С tanks are purchased in the most advanced serial configuration currently available, including a new modification of the Blind optical-electronic suppression system, air conditioning and automatic target tracking. According to the Vedomosti interlocutor, in addition to contracts, there are options for tanks and artillery systems, in particular, an option for 94 T-90С.
    Judging by the nomenclature, the total cost of the contracted systems along with ammunition can be at least $ 700 million, and possibly about $ 1 billion, a source in the Russian Ministry of Defense estimates.
    This is not the first large package of arms contracts between Russia and Azerbaijan. In 2010-2011 The contracts for the supply of two divisions of S-300PMU-2 anti-aircraft missile systems, several batteries of the Tor-2ME anti-aircraft missile systems, 60 Mi-17 transport helicopters and 24 Mi attack helicopters were concluded and practically completed. -35M totaling nearly $ 3 billion.
    Any Russian supply of weapons to Azerbaijan, even on a commercial basis, causes a nervous and painful reaction in Armenia not only in society, but also in the elite, but this reaction does not take into account the fact that Armenia buys weapons from Russia at Russian prices and weapons supplies go to Russian sales to Azerbaijan, indicates the leading IMEMO researcher Alexander Krylov. Supplies to Azerbaijan allow Russia to keep the country under its influence and reduce Baku’s purchases on the international market, Krylov said.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 18 June 2013 14: 39 New
    +3
    Armenia began to blackmail Russia..LIVED ....
    ArmRosgazprom to Gazprom, the latest armored vehicles to Azerbaijan, the choice is Armenia
    Alexander Gareginain
    Today, a number of media outlets yelled in an unheard-of cry: it turns out that in the office of Gazprom’s head Miller, the local energy minister was discussing the possibility of increasing Gazprom’s stake in ArmRosGazprom to 100%, while Azerbaijan allegedly received the latest armored vehicles from Russia for a billion dollars.
    In general, the arrogance and cynicism of those who have such news are outrageous. And their behavior and way of thinking, so destructive for Armenia, should provoke indignation. And in this regard, I would like to express several considerations. The sale of weapons to Azerbaijan is a favorite topic of the local Russophobic Westerners and grant-eaters. They have never seen their indignation at the Israeli arms deliveries to Azerbaijan, either American or European. And when air defense systems of the 70-80s of the last century and armored vehicles of not the first freshness come from Russia, they will definitely write here that "Russian tanks will shoot at Karabakh."

    Actually, the entire Armenian political elite, including the specialist in "self-determination" Paruyr Hayrikyan, should decide: either we’ll go to the West and get a donut hole and lose Russia as a strategic ally, or we’ll go to our native civilization environment and lose the hole from a donut, but in return we receive Russia as a strategic partner and provide ourselves with genuine guarantees of genuine security in this dangerous and unpredictable world. laughing READ SHOVELS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 18 June 2013 15: 02 New
      +2


      As I understand it, Firtina also bought!
  • smersh70
    smersh70 18 June 2013 15: 46 New
    +1
    Azerbaijan shows interest in military transport aircraft C-27J “Spartan” and combat training aircraft M-346 “Master” manufactured by the Italian company Alenia Aermacchi.


    As Vesti.Az reports with reference to azeridefence.com, representatives of Azerbaijan have already attended several tests of these aircraft several times and were satisfied.


    Currently, negotiations are underway on the purchase of these aircraft. According to company representatives, there are no problems with the supply of these aircraft to Azerbaijan, and they can be useful for the development of aviation technology by Azerbaijani pilots as part of a program to modernize the military aviation fleet.
  • Nazim Mursalov
    Nazim Mursalov 12 June 2017 10: 57 New
    0
    Skarte,
    CSTO is only on the sheet .... fortunately, Belarusians and Kazakhs are not so illiterate to attack the AR, but with regards to the RA, it itself will provoke the AR to hit the territory of the ally under the agreement