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How we became the worst enemies of the motherland ...

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How we became the worst enemies of the motherland ...Write this material made me analyze the comments that are written on the site. It is clear that in Russian, more precisely, probably, the Russian site, the prevailing number of visitors are Russians. But citizens of other countries communicate with us with pleasure. More precisely communicated until recently. Now the appearance of a person with certain flags automatically entails a negative, even insults.


The site somehow imperceptibly from the military-patriotic began to turn into a nationalist. Do not be afraid of the word Nazi. Everything that is not connected with the Russian culture in Russia, in the comments, is subjected to such monstrous dousing with sewage.

Probably the most popular topic today is religion. More precisely the role of religion in the state. How many tearful or angry materials are written on the topic of Orthodoxy in Russia, do not count. How many reproaches we and I received, including the fact that we are not fighting enough for the faith of our fathers with Islam, Judaism, Buddhism and so on. You read the recordings and it becomes both sad and funny. The largest in number of adepts religion seems so helpless that it must be protected.

They remember our great ancestors, the battles of the Russian army, they recall the feats of our people. But then these memories look kososoko. In the First World War, the Russians won. But what about Barclay or Bagration? In the Russian army there have always been and there will be Russian soldiers of all nationalities of Russia.

And the majority of faith was Orthodox. But what about the Muslim Tatars? With Buddhist Kalmyks? With the idolaters of the North? How to deal with Siberian Germans Catholics?

History Our country teaches the simple truth in this matter — religious tricks appear when anti-Russian forces appear in the country. When you need to find a reason to make us fill the face with a neighbor, with whom he had been friends since childhood, he went to one class. For hundreds of years we have been living nearby. And the church with a mosque, a synagogue or a house of worship stands nearby, the priests are friends. Yes, and we go there more out of interest than from religious preferences. However, suddenly we become suddenly ardent defenders of the faith of the fathers. Ardent to such an extent that they are ready to kill for her. And the ugliest thing are those that kill.

But the church is just one of the tools to maintain the unity of the people.

And Russia was always called Holy, not because God’s chosen, but because the plans of our ancestors were always pure. Russia has never been a country of slaves, even under the Tatar-Mongols. No slaves, even God's. We absorb other nations, but we never deprive them of the right to choose Faith.
And now, I read the comments and understand the goal is achieved. A third of my colleagues at the word Muslim begins to nervously fumble his hand on his thigh (as a rule, those who weapon studying on an Internet). In the same way, some part comes with the word Orthodoxy ...

Well, the word Jew in general acts like a red rag in both categories. Jew is guilty with us always and in everything. Just because he is Jewish. We will surely dig up the pedigree of any and find Jewish roots if it is an enemy. And vice versa, respectively.

That is why, in my vision, the zealots of the faith of the fathers, the defenders of God (Allah, Buddha, Yarila, and all the rest) are in the front ranks of the enemies of Russia. They want to destroy the country, destroy the unity of more than 160 peoples of Russia, disperse us on religious grounds.

Another category of enemies is commentators on articles about embezzlement, about lawlessness of officials, about corruption. The benefit of the soil for such materials is now a dime a dozen. On sly Putin puts things in order in the bureaucratic class, which means that the rot also comes to light more and more. Cutting the state budget has become so commonplace that even journalists do not really take up this topic.

Such articles are needed! And this filth must be revealed and uprooted, transplanted from easy chairs to the bunks. Impunity and arrogance of officials and in general those in power infuriates everyone.

But I'm talking about something else. Read the comments on such articles. In the case of a written third of the maximum. The rest is filth in the direction of the president and the government (as if the bribe taker was caught personally commenting, and not the state structures). In general, all the country's leadership is not good people. We do not speak about Putin, simply because he is not substituted. The rest is all garbage ... Last year there was a single person about whom Rogozin was good. In this chose Shoigu.

If a good Law is adopted, one of the ministers says that we are pleased is the norm. The rarest case of unanimous approval, s. More often rejection of the actions of the authorities.

Moreover, a huge army of writers perceives the word official and the word reptile as synonymous. And we sow in the minds of readers disbelief in power as such. And for foreign colleagues we give food for doubt. Some New Zealanders read our site and understand: bad in Russia. Lawlessness in Russia. Need to fight for the rights of Russian! I'll go to the militants to help overthrow this power.

Well, and the third category of enemies, the authors of the comments about the terrible life of the people in Russia. As for the second, the theme is bottomless. In any city, in any region, there are hundreds or even thousands of such topics. And journalists raise them correctly. Otherwise, the person is left alone against the system. And loses.
I remember a series of publications about Kvachkov. What is not written. Who he just was not. Odes composed to glory. And they forgot about the man. About the old, honored man. They expressed their power to Fu, lit up on TV and that's it. But people believed in the sincerity of the written.
And again the result of such a reading is Russia is a dead country and it is necessary to flee from here.

I talked recently on the Internet with an American. This, mother. Patriot to the bone marrow. By the way, read our magazine periodically. And he gave me a terrible American secret. And you know what it is? Russia will never be happy unless, of course, adopts the American slogan: Maybe my country is wrong, but this is MY country. We can talk about everything, but no one gave us the right to foul in our own home. Please consider this particularly zealous.
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  1. Vanek
    Vanek 17 June 2013 06: 02
    +6
    Maybe my country is not right, but this is MY country.

    I have no idea how you are, but for me, this is WRONG.

    Hello to everyone. hi
    1. dark_65
      dark_65 17 June 2013 08: 48
      28
      The man wrote the correct article, and I will gladly put a plus to him.
      But other "hurray-patriots" ... don't even want to sympathize.
      At first, the site attracted a balanced approach, now it just turns into a garbage can ....
      Too many people, even those who are not close to problems, but Russia Huber Alles, live like that.
      1. MG42
        MG42 17 June 2013 15: 22
        +5
        Quote: dark_65
        At first, the site attracted a balanced approach, now it just turns into a garbage can ...

        Walk around other forums, including foreign ones, such as Ukrainian, there are many Russian-speaking ones, so there will be no problems with the language, everything is learned in comparison, as for flooding and insults = everything is normal here and everything is within the rules. Sometimes it is true that "interesting" articles are published yesterday about Chernobyl 2 times in a row, but this is on the conscience of the authors of the articles ..
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 18 June 2013 10: 29
          0
          Quote: MG42
          Sometimes it is true that "interesting" articles are published yesterday about Chernobyl 2 times in a row, but this is on the conscience of the authors of the articles ..

          If you carefully read these articles, you should have noticed the difference between them, at least in the fact that they are two different authors in different publications who interpret the same results of an independent physical and technical investigation conducted by nuclear physicist N. Kravchuk in different ways and make appropriate conclusions for yourself. But you wrote the same thing in discussions of two different articles. It turns out that you did not read these articles.
      2. atalef
        atalef 17 June 2013 21: 26
        +2
        Quote: dark_65
        The man wrote the correct article, and I will gladly put a plus to him

        Good article needed. Religious intolerance and xenophobia on the site often rolls over. This must be fought. the site is wonderful and it needs to grow, and not slide into the gutter to the Nazis and the like.
        1. Normal
          Normal 17 June 2013 22: 30
          -2
          Quote: atalef
          Good article needed.

          Article title: "How We Became the Motherland's Bitter Enemies"
          Is this good and necessary for you?
          Quote: atalef
          the site is wonderful and it needs to grow

          The site, according to the author, is Nazi. Do you agree with this too?
          Quote: atalef
          and not slide into the gutter to the Natsik and the like.

          Who exactly do you mean?
          I have never taken part in skirmishes with Israeli commentators (except for the "Chupokabra"). I have always considered Jews to be the smartest people, but after your comment like that I am ready to amend my opinion about you.
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 18 June 2013 06: 17
            +3
            Hi hi Doesn’t it seem to you that as soon as there are no certain personalities on the site for several days, something immediately appears and out of nowhere? request I don’t mean people snacking on candy wassat And what's interesting is that they quickly gain a rating and start broadcasting negative And who will shove a fly in their mouth with a shovel? what
            1. Normal
              Normal 18 June 2013 06: 30
              +1
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Hello. Doesn’t it seem to you that as soon as there are no certain personalities on the site for a few days, something immediately appears out of nowhere?

              Great, since not a joke ...
              Certain personalities and their rating for me, as a rule, by drum.
              I was brought up in such a way that I "fight" with ideas and opinions, and not with their carriers (although this is much easier).
              What do you think about the article?
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 18 June 2013 06: 43
                +2
                Quote: Normal
                Certain personalities and their rating for me, as a rule, by drum.

                Vladimir! Well, what does the rating have to do with it? I'm about those who can adequately answer
                Quote: Normal
                What do you think about the article?

                Has a place to be request But the comments are interesting in some places. On our site it’s bad, sometimes it takes time to digest and the horseradish discussion is over and there is no one to say
                1. Ivan.
                  Ivan. 18 June 2013 11: 16
                  +3
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  which is bad, sometimes it takes time to digest and the horseradish discussion is over and there is no one to say

                  My comparison is even worse: They attack like piranhas on a topic, paint themselves, grab +, - and switch to the next one, as if someone is not ahead - everyone wants to say and not hear. This is a major flaw.
                2. Normal
                  Normal 18 June 2013 13: 47
                  0
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  Well, what does the rating have to do with it?

                  Itself wrote:
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  And what's interesting is that they quickly gain a rating and start broadcasting

                  If you’re talking about a sweet bite, then I think that he should put the flies in his mouth first of all (some, but the snack, the meat is still vitamins) And do not say that they say a sober is a normal man.
                  Normal on the site is fellow... I AM! wassat
                  And what a drunk has in his tongue, then in a sober mind.
                  And to those who
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  something and nowhere
                  can adequately respond not only with a napkin bite. There are Ascetic and Athlone, and you never know ... You are in the end.

                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  Has a place to be

                  What is the place to be? Nazism? Or are we (primarily designated by Domocles) the worst enemies of the Motherland? The author deliberately lies, calling Bask a Nazi and no one but Romanov sees me? Will we digest for a long time?
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 18 June 2013 17: 45
                    +2
                    The usual provocative approach request And instead of ignoring, we are actively discussing
                    Quote: Normal
                    and no one except Romanov and me sees this? Will we digest for a long time?

                    Sees what
    2. YARY
      YARY 17 June 2013 08: 58
      43
      Vanya good day!
      I AGREE +
      By the way, Alexander in the heat of "internationalism" slightly "drove" to the sidelines.
      Bagration -
      "I am and always will be a RUSSIAN soldier"
      Barclay de Tolly
      "I AM RUSSIAN with all my heart"
      The identification of their inner self in people was completely and invariably connected with the RUSSIAN culture. And it was not an imposed identification "passing an exam in the Russian language, etc." but what gives me the right to say about my Abkhazian friend, he is RUSSIAN and about my Chechen master who helps me with the car, he is RUSSIAN, and about a colleague at work of the Circassian, he is RUSSIAN!
      These people will never allow themselves to be allowed by OTHER individuals who come to our city and behave like an enemy whose army was given time to rob.
      I agree with Alexander
      1. experienced
        experienced 17 June 2013 09: 24
        12
        Thanks to the author for the article, it is correct and timely. Sometimes some comments drive me into a stupor myself, but in the case when in the article about the Second World War (alternative) there is already the 3rd or 4th comment at the beginning of the thread, that Hitler was poisoned by the Zionists in the USSR and didn’t understand what for me At first it looked like a flash mob, and then, already was afraid for the mental health of some members of the forum.
        Can the administration introduce a moratorium on posting articles about Armenia and Azerbaijan for at least a month? hi
        And one more small correction: the site has not become worse, more nationalistic and more flooding - THIS WE DID IT SUCH!
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 17 June 2013 12: 30
          +3
          Quote: seasoned
          Can the administration introduce a moratorium on posting articles about Armenia and Azerbaijan for at least a month?

          Yes, there are many slops poured on each other! And what I noticed, all comments very quickly pass from productive disputes and conversations to individuals!
      2. YARY
        YARY 17 June 2013 09: 26
        13
        CONTINUED There are such nationalists after talking with whom I want to wash myself.
        But nationalism is the body's white blood cells named Russia.
        I could really write about it pre-olgonko, but it’s like FAITH — everyone decides to be Russian for himself.
        Sincerely.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 17 June 2013 10: 26
          +3
          Quote: Ardent
          but it’s like FAITH - everyone decides to be Russian for himself.

          I agree!
      3. alebor
        alebor 17 June 2013 10: 18
        +7
        Quote: Ardent
        They remember our great ancestors, the battles of the Russian army, they recall the feats of our people. But then these memories look kososoko. In the First World War, the Russians won. But what about Barclay or Bagration? In the Russian army there have always been and there will be Russian soldiers of all nationalities of Russia.

        And the French army in Russia was generally called the army of twenty languages ​​in view of its extreme multinationality. And the leader of this army himself was a Corsican, whose native language was not French at all. But for some reason, our politically incorrect ancestors believed that they were at war with the French, and they called themselves politically incorrect Russians.
      4. dark_65
        dark_65 17 June 2013 10: 28
        +2
        Grigorich 1962 Today, 09:05
        life throws people in every way and without a choice .... just to survive and feed their families .... but a spineless state called Ukraine does not value its own, does not respect and does not care about its citizens, veterans and warriors. And each time I, the person whose maternal roots are from Ukraine, always regret that Russia and Ukraine are separate. Separated artificially to please the bureaucrats.
        This answered me that I was wrong.
        And here is the thought that he is with us, or we, when there is identification. It is very true.
        1. boggy
          boggy 17 June 2013 12: 29
          +1
          It’s not so simple, they scattered with a joyful screech (90 - 92 years in Ukraine I will never forget) of the main majority. Therefore, it’s too early to connect, it hasn’t faded yet.
      5. huginn
        huginn 17 June 2013 11: 49
        +5
        All Russians are abroad, even Chechens with Dagis.
        1. dark_65
          dark_65 19 June 2013 00: 52
          0
          But we live with them here for now, no one is planning to move ....
      6. psdf
        psdf 17 June 2013 11: 55
        14
        At first, in the 80s-90s, there was a "splash of self-awareness", except for Russians, no one wanted to be / be called Soviet. Then "Suitcase-Station-Russia". Now they have difficulties, and they climbed to us ... Do many Russians trade / hold markets in Baku, for example?
        In the 90s-2000s, the Berezovskiy, Gusinskiy, (and now "Echo of Moscow") told on screens for hours all over the country that Russians (with an emphasis on national subtext) did not know how to work, they were all alcoholics, etc. Did a lot of Jews pull them off?
        We observe a protective reaction on the site. If you want to look for something else, look for other resources.
        1. atalef
          atalef 17 June 2013 21: 30
          -1
          Quote: psdf
          In the 90s-2000s, the Berezovskiy, Gusinskiy, (and now "Echo of Moscow") told on screens for hours all over the country that Russians (with an emphasis on national subtext) did not know how to work, they were all alcoholics, etc. Did a lot of Jews pull them off?

          Well now let's be on the 90s and Gusinsky with Berezovsky fool
    3. Midshipman
      Midshipman 17 June 2013 09: 30
      13
      Correctly exclusively. My mother is my mother, whatever she is, and I will break anyone's neck for her without hesitation. The same goes for the country. Some divide the country and the Motherland, but this is tantamount to tearing the Motherland to pieces. Only then will it be good both in the big and small homelands when we put things in order in the country. And for this, you first need to learn to respect your own (and not "this") country, take responsibility for it, work for its prosperity, make the authorities answer for their actions and NOT allow ANYONE to offend them.
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 17 June 2013 11: 48
        +3
        Quote: Midshipman
        make authorities accountable for their actions

        Fine words, dear Midshipman (2). I absolutely agree with you! drinks
        And who among those in power have answered at least once for their actions?
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 17 June 2013 13: 20
          +1
          Quote: Arberes
          And who among those in power have answered at least once for their actions?

          Yes, but as a result of competition.
          1. Arberes
            Arberes 17 June 2013 14: 07
            +1
            Quote: Ivan.
            Yes, but as a result of competition.

            Sorry colleague, I do not understand you?
            What competition can there be when Russia crushed everyone!
            Here is a gift from you in the style of fantasy! drinks

            Storm in inEDRE!
            Or goodbye, United Russia!

            Well, that’s the end of United Russia!
            Like an old rotten bucket
            In it with toilet paper-promises
            Will go down in history under the nickname "EDRO"!

            Corruption wave will cover you
            To the bottom drags-theft and lies!
            Sheltered sludge-stinky slops!
            But do not rush to rejoice my friend!

            On a sturdy raft with a garbage can
            The captain will move. What a dumbass!
            And the same course with a bunch of sixes
            Will sail "PEOPLE'S FRONT".
            1. Ivan.
              Ivan. 17 June 2013 14: 53
              +4
              Quote: Arberes
              Sorry colleague, I do not understand you?
              What competition can there be when Russia crushed everyone!

              If all of them are repainted in edros, this does not mean that they do not have a fight for their heart's content, if they see that a "colleague" is falling nearby, then they will help him fall faster and not only edros are in the world. My observation is that when an official is fired (who has burned on something), this is done not so much at the will of the people as out of a desire to take this chair + to take this official away from responsibility "in connection with the transition to a new job."
      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. 17 June 2013 11: 53
        +4
        Quote: Midshipman
        Some share the country and the homeland, but this is tantamount to tearing apart the homeland.

        I divide into the Motherland, the country and the state, or rather, they themselves are divided. The normal of us do not separate themselves from the country from the Motherland, and from the state it doesn’t belong to us, it doesn’t belong to us, we have almost no influence, laws and decrees and other actions go out into the world in spite of the people (partially understandable) and the whole hitch is how to regain power over ourselves , over the country into their own hands and without revolutions and civil wars. I do not see any other option as informing everyone of what has happened and is happening in the country, the elimination of secrets in some areas, and anyway a collision with "business" is inevitable. The article is timely and necessary, but with many flaws and therefore ambiguous and ineffective.
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 17 June 2013 12: 12
          +6
          Quote: Ivan.
          Normal from us do not separate ourselves from the country from the country and from the state the hosh does not shosh it does not belong to us, we have almost no influence, laws and decrees and other actions go out into the world contrary to the people

          Everything is correct, power lives its own life, and its people. Only they live satisfyingly (without denying anything to themselves) and with impunity! Built racks for yourself-loved ones!
          So there is a direct association with many of those present here "OFFICIAL-bastard".
          We must be closer to people and then everything will work out.
    4. nycsson
      nycsson 17 June 2013 10: 22
      +1
      Quote: Vanek
      I have no idea how you are, but for me, this is WRONG.

      I am joining! Good morning.
    5. Nevsky
      Nevsky 17 June 2013 10: 51
      +3
      Here is a positive about Russia:

      1. Armata
        Armata 17 June 2013 15: 17
        +1
        So stop it. there is a cooling tower in about twenty minutes, such units provided the Top Isetskiy plant according to 6, but they simply show workshops for which even large rooms are not needed. It’s significant to make a clip for workshops for which a maximum of 700kB, cm3 per hour is needed (air), but pathos, right now, will simply break them from the achievements of their Russia (buffoonery). As for the T50 question. And how many are there? And before what year will they come in the right quantities (I'm not talking about adoption by 20 year)? And he convinced the names. Namesake (already ashamed of himself) Super. Super is a surname or a rattle that did not find?
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 18 June 2013 10: 45
          0
          Quote: Mechanic
          Namesake (already ashamed of himself) Super. Super is a surname or a rattle that did not find?

          Evgeny Super-Orenburg region, Orsk, 29 years old. Sphere of interests: politics, society, economics, business. Super is not a shocking pseudonym, but a surname. The author of the community "World Redistribution". Blog e-super.livejournal.com. Contact via Facebook or Vkontakte. Also actively cooperates with the site "However", often publishes his articles on the site.
    6. atalef
      atalef 17 June 2013 21: 24
      +2
      Quote: Vanek
      Maybe my country is not right, but this is MY country.

      I have no idea how you are, but for me, this is WRONG.

      Agree
      Amicus Plato, sed magis arnica Veritas
      Plato is my friend but the truth is dearer
      Socrates
      request
    7. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 18 June 2013 17: 57
      0
      a dastardly article from the "sudden hitler" series, the author explicitly forbids loving the Motherland, in fact calling opponents fascists
  2. Orel
    Orel 17 June 2013 06: 07
    24
    The site somehow imperceptibly from the military-patriotic began to turn into a nationalist. I am not afraid of the word Nazi.


    You are bending it. There are certainly radical personalities, but to say that they are the majority of the audience of the site is not correct. Many read articles but leave no comments. Therefore, measuring the site only by comments is not true.
    1. survivor
      survivor 17 June 2013 07: 02
      +3
      But is the presence of comments not a measure of site traffic? and those, many who read and are silent, are not like those many who were silent when the USSR collapsed?
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 17 June 2013 07: 47
        13
        Quote: survivor
        But is the presence of comments not a measure of site traffic? and those, many who read and are silent, are not like those many who were silent when the USSR collapsed?

        Sometimes it's better to be silent than to talk.
        He showed our site to one Serb. "You don't know anything about us," he says.
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          1. esaul
            esaul 17 June 2013 08: 27
            +9
            Quote: cartridge
            Author! People like you for the last ten years only promise to get out of Russia, but in real life you, offended, cannot be kicked out with a stick from Mother Russia

            Patron, how are you right ...! Alexandra (Domocles), really - you can’t knock out a stick from Russia. Do you know why? Because this man faithfully served his Motherland even when it was, as poets say, in rags and when it was already turning into a beautiful and self-sufficient young lady. And not only crucifies in love before the motherland, sitting at the clave. This is your attack, absolutely thoughtless and chauvinistic, just a confirmation of how a bias occurs in the minds of a patriotic person who denies everything that is the essence of Russia's very survival - its multinationality and respectful tolerance for culture (not to be confused with the distorted concept of multiculturalism turned into propaganda of pederasty) of fraternal and close peoples.
            Quote: cartridge
            Your brain and consciousness are ready to suffocate for the rest of your life in the stench you created, you will tirelessly smear your feces

            These words of yours are not an indicator of the one-sided perception of what they read. For some reason, you were not impressed by the words of Alexander

            And Russia was always called Holy, not because God’s chosen, but because the plans of our ancestors were always pure. Russia has never been a country of slaves, even under the Tatar-Mongols. No slaves, even God's. We absorb other nations, but we never deprive them of the right to choose Faith.


            And, for some reason, only those taken out of context by you, which gave you the opportunity to spew so many feces on the author.
            It feels like you just reading the beginning, rushed to charge your comment, not reading to the end.
            And this is an ARTICLE, not an article. Normal, thoughtful and aimed at protecting the country. But your comment is the eve of the notorious srach on the site. I warn you, make a remark to you and put a minus. hi
            1. Danash I
              Danash I 17 June 2013 09: 19
              +3
              that’s what makes me seriously and for a long time out of the statements of some authors, it’s not at all worth rushing to nationality. Schaub knew! Among my friends are Mordvinians, Buryats, German, Chechens, Tatar thoroughbreds, Kazan, all are grandfathers, so we haven’t cut each other, they’re literate, because yes, there’s only one Motherland! There’s one country! My! Our! And I’m I can tell my friend MOYSHA, instead of Mishka, after your procedures my ass doesn’t fit on the drum. You’re not Russian, and in response they are silent louder than bulbash. My ancestors are from Belarus. So with what hangover I am! I will support: sort of: yes you go !!! Also minus, two times.
            2. Rustiger
              Rustiger 17 June 2013 11: 34
              12
              For a few minutes I thought about pressing the "answer" button under this post. Pressed. ... ...
              And I will answer as the owner, admin and moderator of one of the sites (purely technical / specialized). Yes, any forum on the network is ready to be proud of just such a number of visitors with different opinions, with different citizenships, with an abundance of heated discussions, thereby attracting people of all ages / social status / nationalities, shaping / reflecting the mood in the country / world.
              And this is
              Quote: esaul
              But your comment is the eve of the notorious srach on the site.

              ... ... .too OPINION, moreover, oooochchchen subjective. But it has the right to "placement".
              But this already looks like the end of "pluralism of opinions". Destruction of an opponent who disagrees with Valery - "esaul" -
              Quote: esaul
              I warn you, make a remark to you and put a minus.

              With the last "action" there are no questions - your right. ... ...
              But the rest is more like:
              "I have a pistol. I think you are wrong and therefore I will shoot you not in the head, but for now only in the knee. Glad to see you on OUR website in the future. After the" cure. " yes "
              1. Armata
                Armata 17 June 2013 12: 19
                +5
                Quote: Rustiger
                With the last "action" there are no questions - your right. ... ...
                But the rest is more like:
                "I have a pistol. I think you are wrong and therefore I will shoot you not in the head, but for now only in the knee. Glad to see you on OUR website in the future. After the" cure. "
                Hello Russian Tiger laughing I am glad to see you again on the site, I tried to prove that there is nothing wrong with your comments.
                1. Rustiger
                  Rustiger 17 June 2013 13: 18
                  +8
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  I am glad to see you again on the site, I tried to prove that there is nothing wrong with your comments.

                  Hello brother brother!
                  For a long time I "did not stand here." ... ... already half a day! tongue I repeat, this has happened since the end of "2011, it happened already 4 (!) Times. And I never" lived up "to a dozen warnings, they were limited to 4-5. Then" control in the head "and -

                  "To repeat everything as of old...
                  Pharmacy, street, lamp. ... ."(from)

                  "The song of friendship is sung by young people.
                  You can't strangle this song, you can't kill! "(C)


                  You say "tried to explain"? Zhen, please, not worth it! Someone may consider it humiliating, and we are above that. After all, nothing "force majeure" happened ", right?

                  Threat. And THANKS for support !!! Believe me, inspiring!
              2. Ivan.
                Ivan. 17 June 2013 13: 27
                +5
                Quote: Rustiger
                For a few minutes I thought about pressing the "answer" button under this post. Pressed. ... ...

                Happy revival! smile And how younger it is!
              3. esaul
                esaul 17 June 2013 20: 11
                -1
                Quote: Rustiger
                with different opinions,

                Vadim, welcome. But who is against someone expressing their opinion! To your health! Just be kind - more respectful to your opponent. Then you won't have to either make excuses or rush into the fight zealously in response. If the commentary were in such a tone as yours, then no one would have used such "colorful" expressions as
                Quote: cartridge
                Go away! Get out!

                Quote: cartridge
                Your brain and consciousness are ready to choke for the rest of your life in the stench you created

                Quote: cartridge
                you will tirelessly smear with your feces all Russian and Russian,
              4. Tverichanka
                Tverichanka 17 June 2013 21: 36
                0
                Quote: Rustiger
                . . . also OPINION

                Do you think that an opinion can be made without reading the full article? You look at the comment of PATRON carefully and see that he did not read the article, grabbed the phrase and voiced his opinion. And this phrase has the exact opposite meaning in the DOMOKLA article. That's why the PATRON and warned ESAUL and did it right. You have in vain intervened with the claims of ESAUL.
                1. Rustiger
                  Rustiger 18 June 2013 00: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: Tverichanka
                  You look at the comment

                  Dear TVERICHANKA! love If it had not been written by "Patron", I would have written about the same thing myself! And I would have received (by tradition) a "turnip", and then read above. ... ...
                  Quote: Tverichanka
                  And this phrase has the exact opposite meaning in the article DOMOKLA.

                  Here, on the site, "do staff PHILOLOGISTS work" to "chew" the meaning of each post? And make their judgments, coupled with actions? Or is this prerogative reserved for moderators? And they decide what is outside the rules and what is not?
                  So be it! I am always for ordnung. . .
                  Quote: Tverichanka
                  That's why the cartridge and warned ESAUL

                  As I wrote to Eugene- "Mechanics":
                  "The admin" attacked "at almost 4.00:22, almost on June XNUMX, without a declaration of war" - the result is visible. ... ...
                  Quote: Tverichanka
                  You have in vain intervened with the claims of ESAULU.

                  I ask you, dear Nina, to share the "claims to" Esaul "-moderator, who applied SANCTIONS, which have no compelling justification, and Valery, whose posts I read almost a thousand, and formed an opinion about him as a very good person. hi

                  To paraphrase: "men fighting debate - just amuse themselves! "Leave them" at the mercy "of this" pleasure. "
                  In general, the woman on this site is a brilliant pearl in rough, calloused, hardened hands, accustomed to holding a file and butt, and not always understanding how to deal with this wealth (like a woman). My opinion . . . request
            3. cartridge
              cartridge 17 June 2013 11: 52
              11
              And here is your comment - this is the eve of the notorious srach on the site


              You to me, Latin-written esaul, please do not ascribe your thoughts. If you see a prelude in the comments that you don’t like, as you write, sracha, then these are your problems, not mine. Personally, I only expressed my opinion.
              In my opinion, the article is too saturated with sugary tolerance and kneeling before those in power.
              I’m not a white pet, not an oppositionist. I have recently gone into reserve after more than 30 calendar years of service in the Ground Forces.
              But I, who, by definition, should be an unquestioning servant to the king, I do not want to be such a servant.
              In 2007, I attended an event with the participation of the Supreme High Command, which assured us that the newly appointed Defense Ministry Serdyukov would lead the army to new unprecedented frontiers. In February 2008, I was at a meeting where this same Serdyukov interspersed with swear words demanded a 100% result in voting for DAM in the presidential election, threatening the inevitable dismissal of those who did not have these same 100%.
              Where in the end the army led the Medvedev-Serdyukov rule, everyone now knows.
              In the civilian sphere, the results of the work of civilian officials are perhaps even more deplorable. Here you can draw conclusions on the materials of the open press and on personal observations from everyday life.
              But, in the opinion of both the author of the article and you, I quote "The rest is dirt towards the president and the government (as if the bribe-taker was caught personally commenting, and not government agencies)", only investigators who personally grabbed the embezzlers by the hand can be indignant at this.
              I do not agree with this statement of the question. They also steal my personal money, which I, as an honest taxpayer, paid to the treasury during the service, and now, already working as a citizen. So I have every right to be outraged by this fact. And I don’t understand on what basis are you trying to shut up your mouth?
              1. cartridge
                cartridge 17 June 2013 11: 55
                +8
                And this is an ARTICLE, not an article. Normal, thoughtful ...


                Yes, there is no thoughtfulness in the text you praise. The thoughtless, it is the thoughtless praise by the author of our past out of the context of historical realities warps me. Such pseudo-historical boasting is often the basis and skeleton of such worthless and illogical just that statues.
                The author writes "And Russia was always called Holy, not because it was chosen by God, but because the intentions of our ancestors were always pure".
                Comrades, fear God in vain as you commemorate. Based on what FACTS do you write about the purity of the thoughts of ancestors?
                And then what about such an ancestor as Svyatopolk the Accursed, who was preparing a conspiracy against his father, and after the death of the latter, he took possession of the grand-princely table, killing his brothers Boris, Gleb and Svyatoslav for this. What's this? Is this purity of thoughts?
                And the mutual betrayal of the specific princes who willingly merged neighbors to the newcomer? Is that also purity of intentions?
                And the tragedies of Ivan the Terrible and Peter I? The fact that they were left without sons is the result of light or dark thoughts?
                And Nicholas I and the Decembrists? Who is the dark force, and who is the light one, are you ready to definitely answer?
                But the defeat in a number of wars of the 19th century? What about Tsushima? And the first world? What about Rasputin? What about the revolution?
                Was it really so bright there? Have our forefathers always had bright ideas in these events?
                And our ancestors are all different. For example, in my family, I am only the first who was born in the city. The remaining ancestors throughout, one god knows what time, were peasants in the villages forgotten by God. On my mother’s side in the Arkhangelsk province, on my father’s near Belebey in present-day Bashkiria.
                And who were the ancestors of the names mentioned in the article? My ancestors and, say, Jacob Sverdlov, Herschel Yagoda or Boris Yeltsin - what is common between them? And if you consider the same Sverdlov, Yagoda and Yeltsin as our common ancestors, with which I do not want to agree, can you swear on their bright plans?
                Therefore, I am against such generalizations and insignificant reasoning in general, whose logical weakness is covered by false pathos.
                1. cartridge
                  cartridge 17 June 2013 12: 27
                  +7
                  esaul Today, 08: 27
                  I warn you, make a remark to you and put a minus.


                  And what are you talking about with your syllable, esaul?
                  What would I look only where you point me to? Get out, my dear!

                  You, esaul, as in that joke, better to warn your wife in advance about your unexpected arrival from a business trip wink
                  But I do not need to warn. And do not scare your minuses. You should already understand that your authority as a keyboard marshal from such statements falls even faster.

                  The article has a lot of phrases that I frankly do not like and I quoted them at the beginning of my first post. Phrases such as false messages are directed by the author into the reader’s consciousness and are aimed at clouding and destroying this very consciousness.
                  The author is not even able to edit his own thoughts. So he writes: "...in my opinion, zealots of the faith of the fathers, defenders of God (Allah, Buddha, Yarila and everyone else) are in the forefront of Russia's enemies. ”
                  What is this nonsense?
                  Friends, you only get a grasp! What? Well, the pearl gave this nugget! That is, according to the author, it turns out that whoever stands for the faith of the fathers, for the Orthodox faith, automatically stands in the front ranks of Russia's enemies.
                  And am I supposed to admire such nonsense? Fire me from this! I do not want to do this and I will not!
                  And what should be done in that case with the old appeal “For faith, the king and the Fatherland!” So those who spoke with these words for Russia are at the same time its first enemies? But this is absurd!
                  And such an absurdity in the article is more than enough.

                  esaul
                  For some reason, you were not impressed by the words of Alexander


                  Therefore, they were not impressed that this is nonsense and nonsense!

                  In general, Yesaul, you, as a moderator, can threaten me, ban me ... I can’t influence this. But my point of view differs from the point of view of the author and expressed his point of view. hi
                2. Papakiko
                  Papakiko 17 June 2013 12: 50
                  0
                  Quote: cartridge
                  Based on what FACTS do you write about the purity of the thoughts of ancestors

                  Ivan, and you are relying on what story you write that with the thoughts of the ancestors there was a lot of nasty things?
                  The one that they shove us from school, about this vomit?
                  I do not impose "Nosovsky and Fomenko" or Levashov.
                  On what they indicate more than clearly appears in many places.
                  Quote: cartridge
                  were peasants in godforsaken villages

                  How much of your generic memory is preserved and to which tribe do you know your ancestors?
                  What did they convey in the form of legends or written facts about the "atrocities" listed by you and the "true" appearance of Svyatopolk, Ivan and Peter?
                  Check out the cycle "Ripean Mountains" I have proposed (there are 11 episodes).
                  1. cartridge
                    cartridge 17 June 2013 14: 00
                    +4
                    Quote: Papakiko
                    Ivan, and you are relying on what story you write that with the thoughts of the ancestors there was a lot of nasty things?
                    The one that they shove us from school, about this vomit?


                    Well it's your choice. Personally, I hold in authority for myself the classic course of history, including the one that was once taught to us at school.
                    And why is this story just a vomit for you?
                    What do you puke from?

                    How much of your generic memory is preserved and to which tribe do you know your ancestors?

                    Well this, my dear man, does not concern you at all. This information is from my personal life and you are not supposed to know about them.

                    Thank you for the offer to watch the video you proposed. But I won’t do it. 11 episodes even for half an hour, that's a lot. I’m unlikely to sit at the computer for so long, trying to understand the essence of the ranting of another alternative historian.
                    For me, these people are not authority. So I will end with a phrase from an anecdote: "Excuse me, ale bananiv is not a man"
              2. esaul
                esaul 17 June 2013 20: 21
                +1
                Quote: cartridge
                You me, Latin esaul,

                Well, you, Ivan, got out of it. It goes without saying - the support is nice, but do not bypass your abusive images about
                Quote: cartridge
                to the end of your life to choke in the stench you created
                and so on ... And mind you - I didn’t hang any insulting label on you, and you didn’t get enough ... laughing
                And with regard to the person whom you do not know (I’m talking about DOMOCLES), in general, in the tone in which your commentary is sustained, it’s worthless to speak to such a well-deserved person with all kinds of regalia. By the way, nobody can blame anyone, and Domocles for indiscriminately sticking offensive labels. So, I consider my comments and my indignation justified, and the Rustiger pistol has nothing to do with it. hi
                Here's an interesting pattern looming. Someone, expressing his opinion, easily hangs a tag on his opponent (or author), without thinking - who is this author, what kind of person, how his life has developed and what he has achieved. But, as soon as this commenting lover of labeling addresses, a critical remark is heard, so immediately there are stories about his achievements, merits and significance. That is, indirectly, he begins to cry for respect for his merits! Interesting turns arise.
                That is why I, a colleague of PATRON, urge you to be more restrained in your comments when using words similar to those that you used in the commentary on the article. You understand very well what kind of words we are talking about and do not have to jerk.
                All the best. hi
                1. experienced
                  experienced 17 June 2013 20: 24
                  +2
                  Quote: esaul
                  :

                  Valery, please explain the situation that Vinya (Anti) is broadcast at the same time as YOU? I don’t put any disadvantages on you either request
                  1. esaul
                    esaul 17 June 2013 20: 46
                    0
                    Quote: seasoned
                    Valery, please explain the situation that Vinya (Anti) is broadcast at the same time as YOU? I don’t put any disadvantages on you either

                    Salute, Alexey. Honestly, I have not even managed to notice that ANTI is on the site. I came home from work an hour ago, had a snack and looked. Personally, I am not familiar with ANTI and I must give him credit, he did not try to contact me in any way. Same as me. And the fact that his words with him or mine with him resonate - is there something criminal in this, Alesay? Honestly - your question surprises me.
                    I think I answered the question. By the way, I try not to minus your comments if they do not carry frankly offensive words.
                    Good luck. hi
                    1. experienced
                      experienced 17 June 2013 20: 52
                      +4
                      Quote: esaul
                      Salute, Alexey.

                      Let’s do without familiarity
                      Quote: esaul
                      I have not even managed to notice that ANTI is on the site.

                      Less to your quality of click manager
                      Quote: esaul
                      By the way, I try not to minus your comments if they do not carry frankly offensive words. Good luck.

                      I don’t bother, and you can see that the minus is also targeted

                      But what the hell because of a quarrel with another modernization, the srach in Azerbaijan-Armenia was made? Was there no other reason to reduce the relationship?
                      1. esaul
                        esaul 17 June 2013 21: 09
                        0
                        Quote: seasoned
                        I don’t bother, and you can see that the minus is also targeted

                        This I noticed, experienced. I can only say that this is a plus for you.
                        Quote: seasoned
                        But what the hell because of a quarrel with another modernization, the srach in Azerbaijan-Armenia was established?

                        And you go back to those articles and those branches and see who started what. For me, by and large, purple, what and how they are. It is important for me - what we are doing for the security of OUR country. And if for this it is necessary to stick a fist under someone's nose (for his own good), then I will always support such a "demarche". The fact that the guys from Azerbaijan connected the appearance of the article with a misunderstanding between me and someone, then these are their problems and I am not going to engage them in persuading them in this.
                        Well, this
                        Quote: seasoned
                        another mod
                        any information that comes from me causes an attack of heartburn. If you are not lazy, track it down. Well, and I'm not a doctor to prescribe a "sparing diet", right?
                        Experienced, I'm finishing. I was plowed today to the impossibility of sleep hunting. Good luck to you. hi
                2. cartridge
                  cartridge 17 June 2013 23: 57
                  0
                  worthless to such a well-deserved and with all sorts of regalia


                  The author of the article is not interesting to me. His little article clearly showed me his level. I have no desire to delve into the knowledge of this character.
                  So with his praise, do not drive me. I myself will figure out who I admire.

                  Further: did I tell you about regalia? Show me this fragment ... I do not remember such an episode or you do not know the meaning of this word.

                  As for deserving, so dear, it must be earned. Is it easy or not, you can ask any visitor to a forum who has served in the army faithfully for twenty-five to thirty years ...
                  But I admit that in the case of you, your colleagues will someday mark your particular deservedness, I don’t know only the person of which profession deserves it? Maybe this person is called a servant or a servant ...? Well, you know better who to call yourself.
                  In my lexicon there are no such ugly words!

                  As for the tone of my comments, I’m a straightforward person and I don’t like to walk in circles around and around, I can not and do not want to. If I like something, then I express my approval. If I don’t like it, then I don’t hide it especially, although in some cases I try to explain the reason for my attitude to the subject or topic under discussion.
                  Lisp and pseudo-intelligence are not my style. I also try not to swear at Math. So take what is. And if you are not happy, then you can not read my comments and not be upset.

                  Be healthy! soldier
            4. Arberes
              Arberes 17 June 2013 13: 12
              +6
              Quote: esaul
              We absorb other nations, but we never deprive them of the right to choose Faith.

              At the expense of faith, I do not even argue with you!
              At the expense of absorbing other peoples, those who, as part of RUSSIA, lived and multiplied, but for God's sake! But those who come from outside can already absorb enough?
              The titular nation should still prevail. The Legal Dictionary for 2000 is "a part of the population of a state whose nationality determines the official name of a given state"!
              So if we still want to live in a country with a beautiful and sonorous name RUSSIA, then the absorption of other ethnic groups (from outside) must be abruptly stopped, we have enough of our own!
              Otherwise, in the near future our country will have to ruskabad rename?
              I am talking primarily about external, almost uncontrolled migration.
            5. Tverichanka
              Tverichanka 17 June 2013 21: 30
              0
              Quote: esaul
              I make a minus.

              And to you for the timely intervention, plus.
            6. atalef
              atalef 17 June 2013 21: 32
              +1
              Quote: esaul
              And this is an ARTICLE, not an article. Normal, thoughtful and aimed at protecting the country.

              Damn, sorry, accidentally clicked on the minus, (+) to you hi
          2. Mairos
            Mairos 17 June 2013 10: 15
            +4
            I also do not agree with everything that the author of the article writes, but this is from the heart and sincere. Do not stoop to the level of "shit". Not ethical and pointless.
          3. Tverichanka
            Tverichanka 17 June 2013 21: 27
            -2
            Quote: cartridge
            how are you

            Your comment says that you didn’t read the article. Was it worth writing? It was just the opposite at DOMOKL, and you took it and without any reason dipped it in the slop. Before posting, read the articles carefully, not diagonally.
        2. Ivan.
          Ivan. 17 June 2013 11: 59
          +2
          Quote: sergo0000
          He showed our site to one Serb. "You don't know anything about us," he says.

          One Serb appeared here (2 rooms) and disappeared, although I told him that he should be here if he wants to be understood.
      2. Yura
        Yura 17 June 2013 09: 07
        +9
        Quote: survivor
        But is the presence of comments not a measure of site traffic? and those, many who read and are silent, are not like those many who were silent when the USSR collapsed?

        The presence of comments did not measure the traffic to the site. For example, I went here for half a year and just read articles and comments before registering and writing my first post. And now I am writing comments for the most part when either emotions overwhelm, or when I see that the comments do not say what I would like to hear about, well, or when there is a need to support someone.
    2. Ustas
      Ustas 17 June 2013 08: 22
      +7
      Quote: Orel
      There are certainly radical personalities, but to say that they are the majority of the audience of the site is not correct.

      That's why the article is a minus.
    3. esaul
      esaul 17 June 2013 08: 48
      0
      Quote: Orel
      Do you bend it

      Salute, Eagle hi I agree, but how would you like to measure the site? After all, the article is designed to warn members of the forum from the Nazi infection. And the ratings in the article's ratings often surprise me. Sometimes, under the message about tragic events, pluses are put and the question involuntarily arises - "Plus to what - the author's efficiency or joy about what happened?" And the comments left on the forum form the psychological climate on the site.
      1. YARY
        YARY 17 June 2013 09: 33
        0
        Valera good day!

        or joy about what happened?


        ... well, if the current is again 11 September ...
        1. esaul
          esaul 17 June 2013 20: 32
          0
          Quote: Ardent
          ... well, if the current is again 11 September ...

          Hi Andrew! hi Long time no intersect drinks Regarding your phrase ... You know, I was reminded of the days when the Twin Towers collapsed. After all, no one (at least from my entourage) danced for joy! The most "bloodthirsty" words were like this - "What America fought for, and ran into it ...". And as a counterbalance, "folk festivals" have come to mind in Azerbaijan, when an earthquake occurred in Stepanakert and more than 25 thousand inhabitants died. Do you feel the difference? How to explain this ...
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 18 June 2013 13: 27
            +2
            Quote: esaul
            any information winked emanating from me causes an attack of heartburn. If you are not lazy, track it down. Well, and I'm not a doctor to prescribe a "sparing diet", right?



            Quote: esaul
            And in contrast to the memory now came "festivities" in Azerbaijan, when in Stepanakert winked an earthquake occurred and more than 25-thousand inhabitants died. Feel the difference? How to explain this ...


            When you read such nonsense, it’s not heartburn anymore, but worse ...!
            Yesaul, can you study geography at your leisure, again?! It’s never too late to learn.
            Khankendi (Stepanakert) is the regional center of Nagorno-Karabakh, an earthquake occurred in the city of Spitak, which is located in Armenia. Regarding the joy of the deaths, confirmation please. On the other hand, Azerbaijan was one of the first to send cargo of humanitarian aid and rescuers by IL-76 plane. As a result of bad weather conditions, the plane crashed into a mountain, crashed near the city of Leninakan (Armenia). 77 people were killed, the only survivor was Fakhraddin Babayev.
      2. Orel
        Orel 17 June 2013 09: 56
        +5
        Salute, Orel hi I agree, but how do you order to measure the site?


        Why measure it? Everyone has their own opinion and it will remain so. Ultimately, everyone makes conclusions for himself and no matter what the audience is for the site. Anyone can write an article and anyone can read it. The main thing is that the whole country can hear each of us, and what they write in the comments, not all of them even read them.
      3. nycsson
        nycsson 17 June 2013 10: 31
        +5
        Quote: esaul
        I agree, but how do you order me to measure the site?

        Why measure it?
        Quote: esaul
        And the comments left on the forum form the psychological climate on the site.

        The climate in society!
      4. Yura
        Yura 17 June 2013 14: 02
        +3
        Quote: esaul
        Sometimes, under the message about tragic events, pluses are put and the question involuntarily arises - "Plus what - the author's efficiency or joy about what happened?" And the comments left on the forum form the psychological climate on the site.

        Valery, I would like to note the following on this remark, very often messages and articles have an emotional color reflecting the position of the author, and here the pros or cons are a reaction not only to the content of the article or message, but mostly to the author’s attitude to the described event. For myself, I also noticed this.
        1. esaul
          esaul 17 June 2013 20: 50
          0
          Quote: Jura
          Valery, I would like to notice on this remark

          Yuri, welcome hi Accepted, buddy. But it happens - you look perplexedly at the pros under an article in which there is no reason for joy ... recourse
    4. psdf
      psdf 17 June 2013 11: 59
      +2
      Quote: Orel
      You are bending it. There are certainly radical personalities, but to say that they are the majority of the audience of the site is not correct.

      And those, as a rule, are imported, or they are campaigning in the direction of values ​​alien to Russia. They pulled a few foreign Natsiks, did not respond to import propaganda - what did the author find in this terrible thing?
  3. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 17 June 2013 06: 09
    17
    The site somehow imperceptibly from the military-patriotic began to turn into a nationalist. I am not afraid of the word Nazi. I do not agree with the author! There are a lot of people on the site, respectively, and opinions, of course, there are nationalists BUT NO Nazis! That is why our site is good because it presents diverse opinions, given the fact that forum users are here from all over the world!
    1. survivor
      survivor 17 June 2013 07: 06
      +9
      only the trouble is, for my frequent comments about nationality and religion, they are overgrown with minuses like a hedgehog with needles. We ourselves, in public, bring our "dirty linen" for public discussion. Note that this practice is extremely rare for citizens of other states.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 June 2013 07: 08
        +4
        Quote: survivor
        Note that this practice is extremely rare for citizens of other states.

        It’s they who are here, stop by the Saits there, so there they’re laying around each other’s mates.
        1. ultra
          ultra 17 June 2013 08: 55
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          there mates friend-friend circle.

          It is a fact!!!
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 17 June 2013 10: 35
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          It’s they who are here, stop by the Saits there, so there they’re laying around each other’s mates.

          It seems to me that we all need to be more cultured and respect the opinions of others, even if it is not pleasant!
          1. survivor
            survivor 17 June 2013 11: 45
            +7
            completely over, comrade. I’ll only add that how much they cover each other’s mats on foreign sites, we should become so polite and more tolerant (not to be confused with tolerance, pah, pah, not a word for dinner)) and I don’t really care who the nationality is Alexander Romanov or Yabray, or any one and a half thousand for those registered here. What matters to me is that these people are able to think and express their thoughts, which means that it is on them and my shoulders that all care for our common Motherland rests. And thank God !! !
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 17 June 2013 16: 29
              +4
              Quote: survivor
              not to be confused with tolerance, pah, pah, not a word for dinner
          2. Tverichanka
            Tverichanka 17 June 2013 22: 08
            0
            Quote: nycsson
            and respect the opinions of others

            And what? Respect? No! And why? And I do not like the author of the comment, this is the main reason. Believers are ready to strangle unbelievers, liberal communists, etc. Is this normal? In my opinion, no! Justified, reasoned comments once, twice and miscalculated, and I don’t know everything else, even what I don’t know. So the DOMOCLA article is timely and necessary. He tried to call us all to a lesser separation. To argue with a different opinion, if you think it does not coincide with yours, speak out, bring the FACTS. But no, it’s easier to humiliate the opponent, call ... But why? This is such a method of self-assertion ? Maybe I, as a woman, something is incomprehensible in the male perception of events? I admit this. But it’s still unpleasant to read when the male community on the site often writes unacceptable things (in my opinion, unacceptable). Well, your right, men! But then do not blame me that a certain opinion is being compiled about you, frankly, not flattering ... Sorry if I offended someone or unwittingly offended me.
        3. Rustiger
          Rustiger 17 June 2013 11: 54
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          so there mates friend-friend circle.

          This is yes. ... ... "mating" is rare, but it happens. Gnaw at each other for any reason, from social to politics. But try someone to "stick into the bazaar" from another "world". ... ...
          In the best case, they do not miss the comment, in the "worst" case, they delete the account immediately.
          We understood who we were talking about. . .
      2. sergey32
        sergey32 17 June 2013 08: 04
        +6
        It jars me when the comments are minus just because they are written by people under the Israeli flag. And for the discussion of the article "Why Biden thanked the Jews for the fact that they are good at brainwashing Americans" was generally ashamed.
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 17 June 2013 12: 29
          +5
          Quote: sergey32
          It jars me when the comments are minus just because they are written by people under the Israeli flag. And for the discussion of the article "Why Biden thanked the Jews for the fact that they are good at brainwashing Americans" was generally ashamed.

          But I am not jarred and I posted this article. I am jarred that it was a small people who "designed" both world wars, Hollywood organized industrial production for brainwashing, there is not enough book to list everything for which they do not like him in the world, and at the same time I do not blame nationality and blood but education and its elements starting from circumcision and ending with the awarding of the title "RIGHTEOUS OF THE WORLD" not for the salvation of a man, but for the chosen one of God, for absorbing the hateful ideology of their "spiritual" books and much more. And many minus them, including those who are tired of their endless evasions.
      3. Ustas
        Ustas 17 June 2013 08: 27
        11
        Quote: survivor
        only the trouble, for my frequent comments about nationality and religion, is surrounded by minuses, like hedgehog needles.

        Ignore the cons. Indeed, there is a positive side to this: your comments are read! So they think, analyze, argue.
        Truth is born in a dispute (C)
      4. alex13-61
        alex13-61 18 June 2013 15: 35
        0
        Quote: survivor
        ... We ourselves, in public, bring our "dirty linen" for public discussion. Note that this practice is extremely rare for citizens of other states.

        Go to "censor.net." And your opinion will surely change ..
    2. esaul
      esaul 17 June 2013 08: 34
      +7
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      I do not agree with the author! There are a lot of people on the site, respectively, and opinions, of course there are nationalists BUT NO Nazis!


      Maksim hi Here, of course, a slight overkill, but I think this is the predominance of emotions in the author. And the fact that under the rain of outpouring about intolerance towards "infidels" (although these "infidels" still serve Russia. Even though the same Dagestan special forces about which there was an article on the site a few days ago), banal nationalists are hiding. They can be seen immediately and are surprised only by the gullibility of many. In my life I have come across such types who were shoved into the skull with several slogans, indicated who to blame for all the troubles and shoved into the streets.
      What I object to the author, is that from the text it seems that the forum users have forgotten how to think and distinguish the Nazis from healthy people. Repeatedly convinced that most are able to distinguish grains from the chaff. It’s just that sometimes someone’s commentary of one order or another causes an influx of like-minded commentators. That's all. And opponents are sometimes shy and silent.
      And therefore, I have an APPEAL TO FORUMAN. If someone is pressured or persecuted, do not be shy, contact the Administration, do not be afraid (any collective bullying is stopped by the Admin.) And posting comments, choose expressions.
      Good luck to everyone.
      ESAUL hi
    3. domokl
      17 June 2013 09: 11
      0
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      BUT NAZIS NO!

      I didn’t want to interfere while the article was being discussed. But Maxim, you’re an old shabby forum member. Have you really never read how people not only preach Nazism, but openly call themselves Nazis? I can even, if it’s interesting to name nick-Bask, for example .. . Only he calls himself a Nazi of the Russian people ... Such a beast ... Russian invention
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 June 2013 09: 18
        +8
        Quote: domokl
        I can even, if it’s interesting to name nickname-Basque, for example ... He only calls himself a Nazi of the Russian people.

        He calls himself a nationalist, but not a Nazi.
        1. domokl
          17 June 2013 09: 21
          -2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          He calls himself a nationalist, but not a Nazi.

          Hi Sash. I read these words the day before yesterday in the commentary to my comment. That's what he called himself.
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          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 June 2013 09: 51
            +7
            Quote: domokl
            .I read these words the day before yesterday in the commentary to my comment. That's what he called himself.

            Do you mean this one of his comments? If he, then he didn’t call himself that hi
          3. Rustiger
            Rustiger 17 June 2013 12: 32
            +6
            Quote: domokl
            That is what he called himself.

            He is not alone. I hope, "fortunately," that there are more of them.
            Such people stood up under the banners of Nevsky and Donskoy in front of the eastern / western hordes, “conquered” the steppes and Siberian taiga, drove the “great conquerors” Napoleon and Hitler and many others to their holes.
            Not liberals, not democrats, but "rabid nationalists" rushed at enemy bunkers and under tanks, defending their country / hut / street / entrance. In the last War, this was done by various NATIONALISTS; someone asked for protection from God, another from Allah, the third from Buddha, or someone else, but they did it according to NATIONALIST VIEWS. And they "drove" them, with unloaded, but attached bayonets, to the German fortifications. districts more often all kinds of KOMMINTERNovtsy.
      2. lesnik340
        lesnik340 17 June 2013 09: 58
        +5
        Good day! There are black sheep everywhere and judging others by them is at least not fair.
      3. experienced
        experienced 17 June 2013 10: 01
        -2
        Quote: domokl
        .Have I never read how people not only preach Nazism, but openly call themselves Nazis?

        But for this there are moderators and an admin. Why can’t you enter something like an emergency mode to delete every comment that is not related to the topic of the article and issue a warning to the author and ban mercilessly rabid Natsiks, anti-Semites and others? It was already helping ...
        Only the problem needs to be solved in a complex: if you start to fight, then immediately and with the Natsik and the Zionists and the Ukrainophobes hi
        And members of the forum should not forget the "golden rule": "It's clean not where they clean up, but where they don't litter! Let's treat this site as a kind of male (ladies do not be offended) club and we ourselves will not shit in it with vulgar and flood comments. , otherwise what news do not go to, completely gay, Geyropa, mattress covers and so on hi
        1. domokl
          17 June 2013 11: 19
          +5
          Quote: seasoned
          Why can’t you introduce something like an emergency mode to delete every comment that is not related to the topic of the article and issue a warning to the author and ban mercilessly rabid Natsiks, anti-Semites and others? It was already helping ...

          Just because any point of view that exists deserves discussion and has the right to be. There are site rules that everyone reads and ONLY their violation is punishable ...
        2. Ivan.
          Ivan. 17 June 2013 12: 40
          +5
          Quote: seasoned
          gays, geyropa, mattress covers

          What should they be called? Exact definitions prohibited!
          Quote: seasoned
          Why can’t you enter something like an emergency mode to delete every comment that is not related to the topic of the article and issue a warning to the author and ban mercilessly rabid Natsiks, anti-Semites and others? It was already helping.

          If you want to enter - for each off topic, for not love for a small nation (and Europe just do it)
          arrange cleaning, after that I will definitely not be here!
        3. MG42
          MG42 17 June 2013 15: 34
          +7
          Quote: seasoned
          Why can’t you introduce something like an emergency mode to delete every comment that is not related to the topic of the article and issue a warning to the author and ban mercilessly rabid Natsiks, anti-Semites and others? It was already helping ...
          Only the problem needs to be solved in a complex: if you start to fight, then immediately and with the Natsik and the Zionists and the Ukrainophobes

          Then there will be no discussion at all, "must there be someone alone" like a highlander in the movie? solid endorsements .. negative
          1. experienced
            experienced 17 June 2013 15: 38
            +1
            Quote: MG42
            Then there will be no discussion at all, "must there be someone alone" like a highlander in the movie? solid endorsements ..

            Read my comment carefully.
            After that, open any topic and delete
            Quote: seasoned
            each non-topic comment

            10-20% will remain, but this will be a discussion of the topic and not slogans and discussions of gays hi
            I do not urge anyone to punish anyone for their views, I am for freedom of opinion, but within the framework of the topic winked
            1. MG42
              MG42 17 June 2013 15: 46
              +4
              I'm just wondering .. where, for example, the criteria for "ukrainophobia" where is it spelled out what can be banned? Except a couple of words in the rules.
              Here the site does not even skip the word <u.k.r.> when I write trying to shorten, the machine replaces it with <Ukrainian> on the topic and without
        4. Tverichanka
          Tverichanka 17 June 2013 22: 21
          +2
          Ladies are not offended. But they join your request. I hope that the other ladies do not mind that I took the liberty of speaking out for them too? I just understand that they also hardly like vulgarity and flood.
          1. experienced
            experienced 17 June 2013 22: 26
            +1
            Quote: Tverichanka
            Ladies are not offended. But they join your request. I hope that the other ladies do not mind that I took the liberty of speaking out for them too? I just understand that they also hardly like vulgarity and flood.

            Madame, I am an old soldier and do not know words of love (s) love
            But we understood each other hi There used to be a Odessa citizen, she lit it, but modern ladies also make me correspond hi
          2. MG42
            MG42 17 June 2013 22: 36
            +1
            Quote: Tverichanka
            I hope that the rest of the ladies do not mind that I took the liberty of speaking out for them too? I just understand that they also hardly like vulgarity and flood.

            to this topic lol
      4. bask
        bask 17 June 2013 12: 20
        +8
        Quote: domokl
        Basque, for example ... He only calls himself a Nazi of the Russian people ... Such a beast ... of the Russian invention

        the Nazis are right, they worship the beast (((to the devil))) ..
        I am an Orthodox Russian warrior of the CHUVASH NATIONALITY, RUSSIAN NATIONALIST !!!
        And proud of it.
        I have always fought on the site and will fight, with you the Russian plague putinoids, Zionists, Wahhabis and other animals, while I am alive !!!!!
        And I will answer you personally (domokl), lines from the scripture.
        Psalm of David. The Lord is my Shepherd; I will not need anything:
        2 He rests me in the evil pastures and leads me to the still waters,
        3 strengthens my soul, directs me to the paths of truth for His name's sake.
        4 If I go and the valley of the shadow of death, I will not fear evil, because You are with me; Your rod and your staff - they soothe me.
        5 You have prepared before me a meal in the sight of my enemies; anointed my head with oil; my cup is full.
        6 Thus, goodness and grace may accompany me all the days of my life, and I will abide in the house of the Lord for many days. PSALTER, CHAPTER 22.
        1. Normal
          Normal 17 June 2013 14: 00
          +7
          Quote: bask
          I am an Orthodox Russian warrior of the CHUVASH NATIONALITY, RUSSIAN NATIONALIST !!!
          And proud of it.
          I have always fought on the site and will fight, with you the Russian plague putinoids, Zionists, Wahhabis and other animals, while I am alive !!!!!

          I am a Great Russian in the first generation (Mordvin father, Ukrainian mother) Svarozhich, RUSSIAN NATIONALIST. I'll be with you, bask. drinks
          1. bask
            bask 17 June 2013 17: 21
            +4
            Quote: Normal
            I am the Great Russian in the first generation (Mordvin father, Ukrainian mother) Svarozhich, RUSSIAN NATIONALIST

            Thanks, thanks buddy. good
            We live in Russia in our own land.
            And I want ((I think that you are in solidarity))) so that there is less evil, hatred. That all nations finally become equal, BEFORE THE LAW (((or even the Russians)) have only duties and not what rights.
            And, to see when the day comes when this rotten-corruption regime will collapse. And Russia will make a real breakthrough in intellectual development, as well as in the economy !!!
            I believe that this will someday come. GOD will not leave Russia !!!
            1. matross
              matross 17 June 2013 20: 00
              0
              Quote: bask
              Russia will make a real breakthrough in intellectual development

              And before starting a breakthrough to intellectual heights, some "breakthroughs" can try to at least learn to write in Russian without mistakes. Oh no, sorry, mistake! Write in the GREAT AND MIGHTY GREAT RUSSIAN language !!! Packs, packs ... like cherubs! My life!
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 18 June 2013 06: 37
                +2
                Quote: matRoss
                Packs, packs ... like cherubs! My life!

                What is the life of a stinking dog? wassat
                1. matross
                  matross 18 June 2013 18: 05
                  0
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  What is the life of a stinking dog?

                  They took a light feed. Could not resist? Well, well ... and the quote is inaccurate smile
        2. matross
          matross 17 June 2013 14: 53
          -3
          Quote: bask
          I have always fought on the site and will fight, with you the Russian plague putinoids, Zionists, Wahhabis and other animals, while I am alive !!!!!

          Fight ... on the site ... while alive !!!!! Hilarious, damn it! If you fight the "plague" on sites, I think your life is safe! laughing If only pathos drown!
          However, health to you! hi
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 17 June 2013 15: 05
            +4
            Quote: matRoss
            Fight ... on the site ... while alive !!!!! Scream, damn it!

            Basque is right or wrong, it is appropriate to answer with a quote from "Heart of a Dog" - "Devastation is in your heads" and this is the main devastation, and so all are white and fluffy. And he is absolutely right in the fact that he sees the "front line" in the struggle for minds, including through the boarding school.
            1. matross
              matross 17 June 2013 16: 40
              -2
              Quote: Ivan.
              Basque is right or wrong, it is appropriate to answer with a quote from "Heart of a Dog" - "Devastation is in your heads" and this is the main devastation, and so all are white and fluffy.

              Did you understand what you wrote? And why? Right or wrong, do you think it doesn't matter? The main thing is more high-profile slogans?
              And with the fact that some people have nothing but devastation in their heads, I completely agree!
        3. GP
          GP 17 June 2013 18: 11
          +3
          Quote: bask
          I am an Orthodox Russian warrior of the CHUVASH NATIONALITY, RUSSIAN NATIONALIST !!!
          And proud of it.

          It is wonderful, but
          Quote: bask
          I always fought on the site and will continue to fight, with you the Russian plague putinoids, Zionists, Wahhabis and other beasts, while alive !!!!!


          Putinoids - i.e. people voted and supporting V.V. Putin is the current president of Russia, and their overwhelming majority. Here you put them in your posts on a par with Wahhabi scum, only on the basis of your political convictions.
          You, my friend, specifically brings.
    4. nycsson
      nycsson 17 June 2013 10: 33
      +4
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      That is why our site is good because it presents diverse opinions

      I will add: truth is born in a dispute! hi
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 17 June 2013 12: 23
        +6
        Quote: nycsson
        I will add: truth is born in a dispute!

        Totally agree with you! But the main thing is not to cross that line when the dispute simply passes into the next Wed ... h! hi
      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. 17 June 2013 12: 34
        +5
        I will add: truth is born in a dispute! hi[/ Quote]
        Shit is the "truth" that is born in the dispute of "pluralism" of opinions and its name is a compromise. Truth is not born - it is discovered ... in oneself and this understanding, there is no other truth and no one else, not even a Buddha, can give it.
  4. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 17 June 2013 06: 10
    29
    Hi Sasha! Regarding the first, with regards to Muslims! Please note that when our journalists or tourists come to a Muslim country, they observe the rules of decency, and do not behave like pigs.
    If you look carefully, skirmishes with Caucasians do not take place from scratch. Patient people, but for the time being. If one denomination puts itself higher than another and fills the streets, carrying mats with it, and we are told -patience, humility, it will be like in Europe. You write and reflect on the time of 80 years, but they are no longer the past.
    I won’t write about Jews at all, now others will come and go to sleep with comments.
    About treasury-Tired of it already read, just tired and comment too. There is theft, but there is no time limit, and if there is one, then this is not the time limit. But mockery.
    And in a conversation with an American, do not compare the mentality of Amer and Russian, simply because it is different. I love my country, but if my country erases cities with people from the face of the earth, I will still love my country, but I will hate a power that is not right.
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 17 June 2013 06: 23
      19
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      then respect decency


      Food on the street Krasin, this is in Novosibirsk, and there is a mosque. I have no idea what the reason is - they get together every day. So they, Muslims, cross the road in the wrong place (there are 200 meters to the traffic lights) and they still wave their hands to me, they say stop, let it go.

      I will tell you this: - AHA, SHCHCHACH DIRECTLY. Threw everything and missed.
      Go where you can. Zebra, traffic light. I will miss, for God's sake. Just behave yourself. A city is a city. This is not some village.

      Alexander, good afternoon.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 June 2013 06: 27
        15
        Quote: Vanek
        So they, Muslims, cross the road in the wrong place (there are 200 meters to the traffic lights) and they still wave their hands to me, they say stop, let it go.

        Hi Ivan! This is true everywhere, but we allow them to behave this way. Although Domocles wrote that nationalism is flourishing in our country, if it were to flourish, they would press in the forests and fear the city of Zaiti.
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 17 June 2013 06: 35
          +9
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          if thrived


          If he prospered, I would order on the street. Krasin, I’d move. And just business.
        2. Arberes
          Arberes 17 June 2013 13: 28
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          This is true everywhere, but we allow them to behave this way. Although Domocles wrote that nationalism is flourishing in our country, if it were to flourish, they would press in the forests and fear the city of Zaiti.

          I’m afraid that if our state’s policy regarding migration does not change (it was necessary to change it yesterday, and not by 2015), then we will begin to push through the forests?
          Hello hi
      2. survivor
        survivor 17 June 2013 07: 20
        0
        such cases at least a dime a dozen. and these cases are not unique to Muslims. so what outraged you? the presence of a mosque or the presence of offenders? if the second, then it’s understandable, it’s not clear why you touched on this particular plot? similar incidents, very often near ANY church, and religion has absolutely nothing to do with them (I don’t think that Muslims are directly calling in the mosque to atone for their sins, cross the road in the wrong place)) zebras are just often set not where it’s convenient for people to cross, but where it’s convenient for cars to travel.
        "I'll tell you this: - AHA, SCHCHAS STRAIGHT. I dropped everything and missed it." therefore, you intoxicatedly crush traffic offenders? well, the position is not a boy, but a husband)))
      3. itkul
        itkul 17 June 2013 10: 18
        -1
        Quote: Vanek
        I will tell you this: - AHA, SHCHCHACH DIRECTLY. Threw everything and missed.
        Go where you can. Zebra, traffic light. I will miss, for God's sake.


        However, what a passion, just like here

        On September 16 of this year, an accident occurred on Posadskaya Street. The truck driver Kubykin, noticing a woman who was standing at the crosswalk, braked, letting the pedestrian pass. Citizen Rybets, who has never in her life a single car and even a horse did not give way, continued to stand, waiting for the car to pass. Kubykin, making sure that the woman was not going to go, started off. The fisherman, seeing that the truck was driving slowly, estimated that, as usual, she had time to slip in and threw herself across the road. The driver braked sharply and made a gesture with his hand, they say, come on in, citizen!


        Rybets interpreted the gesture in the sense of \ "Get out before you move! \" And rushed back to the sidewalk, waiting, in her words, \ "when this nutcase will pass \". The driver, deciding that the woman was strange, gave a warning beep just in case. Rybets realized that he was buzzing, mistaking her for a deaf person, and shook her head, they say, I'm not as deaf as you think. Kubykin regarded the shaking of his head as \ "I refuse to cross \" and, nodding, drove off. Rybets decided that with a nod, he made it clear: \ "I am going slowly, you will slip through! \" And rushed across the path. The truck stopped. Rybets stopped, not knowing at what speed he would go, without which it was impossible to calculate, with what speed he had to run across. Kubykin came to the conclusion that the woman is crazy. Reversing, he disappeared around the corner so that she would calm down and move over. Rybets guessed the maneuver like this: the driver wants to accelerate and jump out at full speed! Therefore, I did not go over. When Kubykin, forty minutes later, drove around the corner, the woman stood rooted to the spot on the sidewalk. The truck backed away, not knowing what to expect from her. Kubykin, sensing that it would not end well, decided to make a detour, to take another road. When the truck disappeared again, Rybets, not knowing what this guy was planning, in a panic rushed to run through the courtyards shouting: \ "They are killing, save! \" At 19.00, at the corner of Posadskaya and Bebel, they flew towards each other. Kubykin barely had time to brake. Rybets barely had time to cross herself. Realizing that \ "without crushing her, the truck will not leave, \" she showed Kubykin a fig, they say, you can't crush it!


        Kubykin, who, according to him, already had circles before his eyes, seeing a fig in a red circle, took him for a road sign \ "Driver! Free the roadway! \" And drove onto the sidewalk, freeing the highway for the idiot. Rybets, realizing that the driver was drunk on the board and would crush it on the sidewalk, where strangers could get hurt, made the only right decision: she rushed towards the car, deciding to take the blow. Kubykin backed up. Rybets did the same. So they maneuvered for three hours. It began to get dark. And then it dawned on Kubykin: the aunt had been well moved as a child, and he, obviously, looks like the driver who had not suppressed her! So that she would not be afraid of him, Kubykin put on black tights, which he bought for his wife, over his face. Looking closely, Rybets identified in Kubykin a particularly dangerous criminal, whose photo was published in the newspaper. Rybets decided to neutralize him and shouting \ "Hurray! \" Threw a can of milk into the car. Kubykin turned aside and crashed into a lamppost, which, falling, crushed a certain Sidorchuk, whom the police had been looking for for five years. So, thanks to the decisive actions of citizens, a particularly dangerous criminal was detained.
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  5. CCA
    CCA 17 June 2013 06: 16
    +9
    I do not agree with the author’s reasoning ... Especially regarding the condemnation of comments on the VO website ... (there are some distortions, but the vast majority are quite sane and competent ..., using the author’s advice, I would advise you not to row all under one comb without reference) . And with regard to the VO site, this just applies to a lesser extent ... Yes, and I placed the picture, which does not at all correspond to my own reasoning (with a hint - like, are you all foolish here on worthless roads?! ??!?) ...
  6. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 17 June 2013 06: 18
    +5
    I agree that with the stage of development of the "stabilizer" it is necessary to finish and move on to the stage of "leap forward"
    but for this, in the existing situation in the World, it is necessary to stop rocking Our ship from the inside. Around
    full of hungry "well-wishers" and "partners". So let's not weaken the Motherland ourselves!
  7. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 17 June 2013 06: 19
    0
    Maybe my country is wrong

    And what is happiness here?
    1. survivor
      survivor 17 June 2013 06: 59
      +4
      it’s not a matter of happiness or not, it’s the position of an ordinary citizen on the politics of his state on the world stage. Are there many sites where Americans are nationwide harassing their country? But the sites where its citizens are harassing Russia are just a sea of ​​spills.
      1. Ivan Tarasov
        Ivan Tarasov 17 June 2013 17: 29
        +4
        So force is in truth.
        If you know that your country is not right, then how many do not squeeze out slogans - you will not be happy.
        So, for the Russians, this wording is unacceptable.
        To be happy a Russian person, he must be sure - my country is always right!
  8. fenix57
    fenix57 17 June 2013 06: 29
    +6
    Hello! "What is the strength, brother, is the strength in the truth!"-a familiar phrase And the truth, as everyone knows, has their own ... Accordingly, everyone on the site expressing his opinion considers himself right. What's wrong with that. Different people, different opinions! It can be said a daily sociological survey on various topics. hi
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 17 June 2013 12: 51
      +2
      Quote: fenix57
      It can be said a daily sociological survey on various topics.

      This is what bothers me, why should they conduct polls if we provide them with material for analysts on a silver platter and servers in NATO territory and we take over the Fenya computer without looking!
  9. Hleb
    Hleb 17 June 2013 06: 46
    +7
    And again the result of such a reading is Russia is a dead country and it is necessary to flee from here.

    Alexander! Everyone has their own opinion and everyone has the right to express it. Here you brought us your notes, from which you are not very optimistic about it (below are given). Someone will want to run away from reading them "from here". So why discuss it then ? and then some New Zealanders will read our site and understand: it’s bad in Russia. Mayhem in Russia. Need to fight for the rights of Russian! I’ll go to the militants to help overthrow this power.

    Previously, the state needed to develop these lands. Not only oil was pumped, but bread was also raised, cattle were raised. Our area ten neighboring fed. But then. Everything stopped. Farmers are trying to do something, just confused - a little.

    Two airports were before. One front door, for airplanes from other cities and regions. And the second is local. Corn farmers, helicopters and all sorts of AN-24 and YAK-40 flew to the district centers like buses. People from the farthest, bearish corners flew into the city for shopping, just to relax. Now there is no local airport. In areas, even stripes were dismantled

    Small and medium businesses were squeezed so that in the first quarter of this year alone, more than four thousand entrepreneurs revoked their licenses.

    There used to be a garden city, but now it has become a city - a garbage dump. In the literal sense of the word. In any yard of a garbage deposit

    People no longer remember about repairing houses. Dangled from the Soviet era
    What is pop, such is parish. No, and we will not have power. No, there will be more and more officials every year. Deputies are different. But there will be no power. Look, a person has become a deputy or there mayor. The authorities are in the sea, but I also want money. And they begin to grab.


    Of course, I would like Siberia to remain Russian after all. It just doesn’t work out. Children are leaving, old people are dying. You went here, saw how many abandoned houses and whole villages?

    Migrants come to us. Not so, of course, as in Moscow. But go. Already Chinese villages have appeared. True, citizenship is not taken, but as bugs. One wound up, wait a couple of months a hundred. Kazakhs in general - local. The south of the region is almost completely Kazakh. And the city is half.
  10. mogus
    mogus 17 June 2013 06: 46
    +2
    somehow I watched "the number of people on the site", so there are several hundred registered and currently on the network, and comments are written, God forbid, a tenth.
    There is trouble with the behavior of "Russians too" ... Today I read the news, in Dagestan at a wedding a policeman accidentally shot his colleague.
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 17 June 2013 12: 55
      +1
      Quote: mogus
      somehow looked "the number of people on the site", so registered

      Enlighten as you please !?
      1. Rustiger
        Rustiger 17 June 2013 14: 09
        +5
        Quote: Ivan.
        Enlighten as you please !?

        Ivan. At the very bottom of the page, on the right, against the background of the red "footer", there is a counter of visits (next to "Rambler", it partially falls under the button "up"). Shows "what's what" on mouseover.
        By the way, this is especially important for advertisers. Advertising contracts with the site depend on the number of visits and, accordingly, "the necessary funds for the development and maintenance of the resource.
        Those. with each of our visits, we bring "our pretty penny" to where some want to "squeeze" us out.
  11. survivor
    survivor 17 June 2013 06: 53
    +3
    but I will support the author. yes, not one-sidedly much, but he tried to explain to all of us that by constant sorrow we not only bring discord into our ranks, which are far from harmonious, but also directly point to 1) the people's confidence in the government. 2) on everyday corruption. 3) on the problem of multinationality of our Motherland.
    in no country in the world is it customary to take litter out of the hut in such quantities. It seems that many commentators simply revel in the processes that, unfortunately, take place in our country.
    1. Orel
      Orel 17 June 2013 08: 30
      +6
      And when in Russia they loved their power? We have such a historical peculiarity, to haunt what the light is, but there is another peculiarity, no matter what, when necessary, rise and defend the Fatherland. And no matter what power.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 17 June 2013 10: 53
        +4
        Quote: Orel
        And when in Russia they loved their power?

        Loved it! When, after World War II, a country rose from ruins to unprecedented themes! And now why love her? We go with the ax to the bottom and no clearance is visible!
        Quote: Orel
        We have such a historical peculiarity, how to make light of what

        We have a historical feature to allow traitors to power!
        Quote: Orel
        And no matter what power.

        How is that not important? request This is the most important thing in any country! Power determines foreign and domestic policy, and gives the people the right to do so through elections! What is at the municipal level, what is regional, what is federal!
        1. Orel
          Orel 17 June 2013 11: 34
          0
          The people deserve the power they deserve. They themselves chose, and if not, then they themselves admitted that this happened. We are used to saying that everyone is bad and someone is to blame. Sometimes it is, but there is another truth that you want to change something, then start with yourself. As the saying goes: "Don't ask what the country has done for you, ask what have you done for the country?" And so the position of dependence turns out, give me this for free, for free that, for free. Of course, some benefits are necessary, but there is a limit to everything and nothing is free. If for some it is free, then it is "free" paid at the expense of others.
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 17 June 2013 16: 33
            +1
            Quote: Orel
            The people deserve the power that they deserve

            You wanted to say that the people have the power that they deserve .......
        2. Ivan.
          Ivan. 17 June 2013 13: 12
          0
          Quote: nycsson
          And now why love her?

          For the fact that we are it, for the love of God, in spite of the fact that we are convinced that it is not fashionable to love, the last century has called us to be patriots (in my opinion, patriotism is a patriot rocket with a homing warhead and built-in software). Love does not share and patriotism sins this.
      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. 17 June 2013 12: 58
        0
        Quote: Orel
        And when in Russia they loved their power?

        When she was her own, but that was a very long time ago.
        Quote: Orel
        about and another feature is, no matter what, when necessary, to rise and defend the Fatherland. And no matter what power.

        And because the Motherland and the state, the authorities and the fatherland were not confused with us.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 17 June 2013 16: 40
          +2
          Quote: Ivan.
          And because the Motherland and the state, the authorities and the fatherland were not confused with us.

          Rodina (comes from the glorious clan; Ukrainian. Rodina - “family”, Bulgarian. Rodina - “motherland, place of birth”, Serbochor. Rodina - “plenty of fruits”, Czech, Slovak. Rodina - “family”, Polish. Rodzina - family) [1] - a synonym for the word Fatherland, the place where a person was born, as well as the country in which he was born and to whose fate he feels his spiritual involvement and the place where the ancestors came from, the roots of man.
          The state is an imperious-political organization of society, possessing state sovereignty, a special apparatus of control and coercion, and establishing a special legal order in a certain territory.

          The state is a set of political institutions whose main goal is to preserve the integrity of society.
          Fatherland, homeland - native country. The concept of fatherland denotes the country of ancestors (fathers) of a person, and also often has an emotional connotation, implying that some people have a special, sacred feeling for their homeland that combines love and a sense of duty (patriotism).
          Power is an opportunity and the ability to impose one’s will, to influence the activities and behavior of other people, even despite their resistance [1]. The essence of power does not depend on what this opportunity is based on. Power can be based on various methods: democratic and authoritarian, honest and dishonest, violence and revenge, deception, provocation, extortion, incentive, promises, etc. [2]
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 17 June 2013 17: 38
            +1
            Quote: nycsson
            Rodina (comes from the glories. Clan;

            I don’t understand what it is, I suspect that they did not understand me because of this:
            And because the Motherland (more precisely, the Motherland, did not take into account the decline in a hurry) and the state, power and the fatherland were not confused with us.

            Just brought another bunch for clarity.
            Why it was necessary to quote some kind of pedia in my own words, so valuable.
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  12. nemec55
    nemec55 17 June 2013 06: 54
    13
    What to do with Siberian Germans Catholics

    How am I already Orthodox hi
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 June 2013 06: 59
      +4
      Quote: nemec55
      How am I already Orthodox

      Score koment laughing
    2. Hleb
      Hleb 17 June 2013 07: 02
      10
      our Germans are generally unique. Christmas is celebrated in December and January. And both dates are considered a holiday. And disassemble the Lutheran or Orthodox)
      1. survivor
        survivor 17 June 2013 07: 28
        +7
        It was like that in Tselinograd too))). And all the holidays were celebrated together.
      2. nemec55
        nemec55 17 June 2013 07: 36
        +6
        But how could it be otherwise, if the old generation grew up in the traditions of Lutheranism, the average under communism and the young, and the young now chooses their own path, someone goes abroad and someone lives here in Russia
        1. Stas
          Stas 17 June 2013 10: 28
          +3
          And many of the same Russian Germans go to Germany, look at all this and return home again to their homeland in Russia.
          1. nemec55
            nemec55 17 June 2013 10: 51
            +6
            There are some, but I’m sure that history is repeating tobish, the cycle of history is going on and everything will repeat again (naturally with additions) and the flow of migrants from Europe will not necessarily flow from Germany to Russia again. The only thing I want to say in support of the Germans, that is, our ancestors WE ALWAYS WORKED FOR THE BENEFIT OF RUSSIA AND IF THERE WAS A NECESSITY TO TAKE HANDS OF WEAPONS TO PROTECT YOUR FATHERLAND
          2. Hleb
            Hleb 17 June 2013 10: 59
            +2
            come back, but not many.
            I recently saw in classmates that my friends' surnames began to change to German (both left with a Russian surname) they say this is done for children so that there are no barriers in the future
            1. nemec55
              nemec55 17 June 2013 11: 08
              +6
              My relatives also live in Germany, but the attitude towards them is not at all democratic, although they have been living there for 15 years (they don’t take priority on native Germans for good places to work)
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  14. pinecone
    pinecone 17 June 2013 06: 57
    14
    What kind of nationalism can we talk about when the concept of the Russian people is actually prohibited, and what is the matter to us, what kind of New Zealanders and other advocates of the rights of pedo-people will think there.
    1. survivor
      survivor 17 June 2013 07: 30
      +5
      I don’t understand how it is possible to prohibit being Russian?! How can the greatest people of the world be prohibited? what is such a ban worth?
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 17 June 2013 09: 11
        +8
        Quote: survivor
        I don’t understand how it is possible to prohibit being Russian?! How can the greatest people of the world be prohibited? what is such a ban worth?

        Of course you can’t forbid, but you can’t stop being it yourself on your own, with all the qualities that the author described, it’s very simple. Just grind it with soul and faith and turn into one of the African tribes or Dagestan clans. And then there is the greatest history of Russia and Russian respectively!?
  15. treskoed
    treskoed 17 June 2013 07: 22
    +4
    Last year there was the only person about whom well-Rogozin. This chose Shoigu.

    Leaders are living people, here you can’t do well or nothing! And how they respond about the leadership - a question to the leadership! And in general, the VOICE OF THE PEOPLE - THE VOICE OF GOD!
  16. survivor
    survivor 17 June 2013 07: 25
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: survivor
    Note that this practice is extremely rare for citizens of other states.

    It’s they who are here, stop by the Saits there, so there they’re laying around each other’s mates.

    maybe so, but it only confirms the rule. no need to make dirty linen in public.
    I welcome you to Alexander)))
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 June 2013 09: 21
      +3
      Hi Magomed! So we don’t stand too much rubbish either, we sit on a Russian site and quietly tremble hi
  17. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 17 June 2013 07: 39
    +4
    This article can be treated in different ways, but all the problems indicated in it as not true exist. The only thing I would like to draw your attention to is who said that "they" hate dirty linen in public: 1. Murder in Britain; 2. accusations of corruption against the former president of France; 3. forgery of documents by the Minister of Education of Germany, etc. By the way, the same thing is not heard about Sarkozy, whether he was punished or not. And how can you punish (jail) an official if he was admitted, for example, to state secrets. Well, for example, you can put Serdyukov, for people like him, you need to build a separate camp. In our region, the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations was accused of exceeding his official powers only after he left for Thailand on vacation, and until that moment, it was impossible to do this, probably no one knew. He collected money from subordinates, but then this was not an excess, but extortion, I do not think that they gave him money willingly. The fact that we have a mess is clear even without our comments, and this will continue for some time, maybe about 20-30 years. My peers also have a desire to warm their hands by cutting the budget, and this is the most profitable legal business.
  18. Tatarus
    Tatarus 17 June 2013 07: 40
    14
    Regarding those who read but do not write:

    I read the article, looked at the comments. I saw that a thought like mine was already expressed more than once. Why should I write? For the pluses? This is for me then in which class? at 5? Sometimes I write to defend or express my point of view. If already expressed and defended I do not write. It's just that now I'm not here for epaulets. (Although I repent at the beginning)
    The site is now the place of intellectual work. I read, thought, wrote.
    About nationalisms on sites, so take any foreign site that has been working for at least a couple of years. Same. And if one religious group prevails, then 2 years are not expected. Immediately massacre.
    The article put a plus. For courage and concern. You will be awarded red for courage, green for care.
    1. bask
      bask 17 June 2013 07: 45
      14
      How we became the worst enemies of the motherland ..

      This is not the people-YES, Russia became the worst enemies, and her ,, elite ,,, ..
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 17 June 2013 10: 46
        +5
        Quote: bask
        and her ,, elite ,,, ..

        I agree! If you mean our "power"! All our troubles come from her! hi From this stupid and corrupt foreign and domestic policy! am
    2. Andrew 121
      Andrew 121 17 June 2013 07: 46
      +4
      Correctly wrote.
    3. nycsson
      nycsson 17 June 2013 10: 47
      +2
      Quote: Tatarus
      Why should I write?

      You can supplement your thoughts with some aspect!
  19. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 17 June 2013 07: 45
    19
    That is, I probably did not understand the author, he offers us only to sing praises for the glory of the fatherland, we simply don’t notice all the negativity. Well, be like an American, and repeat yes this is Mr., but this is my Mr. Only I do not have Mr., and if someone nearby is crap, then I have the right to talk about it. I am no less, and maybe more than many, I wish well-being and prosperity to my Motherland. Only if we all remain silent and support the power, believe the experience, will the power calm down and will not work. All of the above in the article is precisely the shortcomings of power. Smart leaders do not make such unforgivable mistakes, if it can be called a mistake. Yes, there are sayings that you need to start with yourself, you have seen a lot of those who start with themselves. Man has long been accustomed to submission, and submission only to force. Many times I had to make a comment, for example, those who litter on the street, at best they look at me as abnormal. There are only two obligatory things that will move our society, it is a strong and fair power, and the education of a new generation on the principles of the same justice, honor and most importantly self-sufficiency. The only idea capable of uniting all the peoples of Russia is the idea of ​​universal justice, justice and equality before the law.
    All other conversations on the themes of the Motherland and patriotism are empty words.
    In conclusion, the American patriot, only as long as he is comfortable in this country, as soon as the collapse begins, his patriotism will end, I am convinced of this.
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 17 June 2013 12: 34
      +5
      Quote: Tatarus
      Regarding those who read but do not write: I read the article, looked at the comments. I saw that a thought like mine was already expressed more than once. Why should I write?

      I agree.
      Quote: vladsolo56
      All of the above in the article is precisely the shortcomings of power. Smart leaders do not make such unforgivable mistakes, if it can be called a mistake. Yes there are sayings that need to start with yourself, you saw a lot of those who start with themselves
      And here, I completely agree with you. And I want to emphasize this, as writes Tatartus.
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Smart leaders do not make such unforgivable mistakes, if it can be called a mistake.
      That's just it, that mistakes are not children's ...
      They urge to start with oneself ... So, the government, its executive bodies, disavowing various laws and regulations, by the way, the federal government is constantly "dumping" its powers to the local, and so, it simply does not perform those functions of the STATE that it undertook to do on good and for the prosperity of the people. Properly: does not protect, does not educate, does not teach, does not heal, etc., etc. Cunningly while saying - start with yourself ... Do you know what IT already pouring out? People gather in groups and ... they themselves build bridges, roads, they themselves try to put out fires, they themselves interfere with incorrect parking of cars, they themselves catch pedophiles (sorry they don’t mutilate on the spot), they themselves "bomb" points of sale of drug spice .. . And ALL - on your own, on your own, on your own ... True, after “on your own”, the power wakes up - not right: building, extinguishing, interfering, catching, “bombing” - not according to the law, get hit on the head, but at least with a fine. True, it is possible without the "beloved" government, to remain a cripple, this is after all sorts of remarks: do not use foul language, park the car correctly, why is the bull terrier without a leash, learn Russian.
      Actually, with this "start with yourself" you can go very far ... Up to anarchy and division into different shtetl clans, with their own "regulations". Remember the 90s? And why, do not "start with yourself", beloved. Whoever determines what rules of the game is right. Yes, yes, it is the strength of the foundation of rightness, not the truth. "Right, the one who has the truth" is beautiful, but has nothing to do with reality.
      Sorry if it's long.
      So here. State SAMO must, primarily by force, protect the interests of most citizens of their country. We, citizens, pledge to HELP him in this, but not to do FOR HIM this job.
      Quote: vladsolo56
      The only idea capable of uniting all the peoples of Russia is the idea of ​​universal justice, justice and equality before the law. All other conversations on the themes of the Motherland and patriotism are empty words.

      Simple good
      hi
  20. individual
    individual 17 June 2013 07: 45
    +8
    Quote from an anonymous author:
    "Perhaps my country is wrong, but this is MY country. We can talk about everything, but no one gave us the right to shit in our own house. Please take this into account especially zealous."

    So we are especially zealous about it, only if Lezgin, Tatar, Yakut or Bashkirs glorifies itself, then this is in the order of things. When a voice is raised in defense of the Russian state-forming ethnos, the author writes this in a publication: "Some New Zealanders understand: it's bad in Russia. Lawlessness in Russia. We need to fight for the rights of Russians! I'll go to the militants to help overthrow this government."
    Or maybe the Russian people themselves will figure it out without American advisers and bandits of all stripes in my country of Russia - Russia for all peoples living in it
  21. Andrew 121
    Andrew 121 17 June 2013 07: 49
    -2
    I don’t understand how, living in another country, you can confess your love for Russia and shout at patriotic sites sad like that.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 17 June 2013 09: 47
      10
      Quote: Andrey 121
      how living in another country you can confess your love for Russia

      "Elementary Watson!" Many living in different states are Soviet people, for whom the words Russia, Moscow, Siberia, Azerbaijan, Georgia .... are not an empty phrase. This is all MY HOMELAND. It was, is and will remain.
      1. survivor
        survivor 17 June 2013 12: 00
        +7
        it is. I am Ingush born by birth in Kazakhstan. I lived in Chechnya. Now I live in Rostov on the Don. How can I position myself? So I'm talking about myself, I'm a citizen of the USSR! and I am equally not pleased to read about Russia, Ukraine, and other parts of the UNITED STATES! if something nice is written, I’m happy with everyone, if not pleasant, I’m upset if I lie, I’m indignant.
        1. SlavaP
          SlavaP 17 June 2013 23: 12
          0
          Andrei, but imagine that I am a British citizen, I respect Russia and I want you to be there all the way.
  22. lesnik340
    lesnik340 17 June 2013 08: 10
    +7
    Hello! I also think that the author is not quite right. And the author contradicts himself when he writes about nationalism, what nationalism can be if we are under different flags. Flag is not nationality, it is citizenship. And Russia is the most national country where there has never been racism.
    It's just that emotions sometimes go off scale. Well, as for religion, have you ever seen a Catholic or a Buddhist with a martyr's belt, and never will. This is not Islam, this is some other religion or even politics. “Terrorism has no nationality,” I don’t remember who said that.
  23. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 17 June 2013 08: 12
    +5
    Maybe my country is not right, but this is MY country.

    that is, following this logic! if my country is ruled by incompetent politicians (stupid people) then whatever they create anyway they are in fact always right, because it’s mine (stupid people (corrected by censorship) and they must inevitably be supported in all their undertakings! I understand correctly (I mean the United States wrote about humpbacked dace if that) laughing
  24. Humpty
    Humpty 17 June 2013 08: 16
    +8
    I have not met Russian nationalists, although I was somehow ranked among them here. But I meet people indignant with multinational chauvinism every day.
  25. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 17 June 2013 08: 31
    +4
    And the majority of faith was Orthodox. But what about the Muslim Tatars? With Buddhist Kalmyks? With the idolaters of the North? How to deal with Siberian Germans Catholics?

    I personally have no complaints from the above nationalities and creeds, if they are normal, adequate people! and Muslim Tatars too (unless they are Crimean) laughing to these traitors please claim
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 17 June 2013 09: 08
      +5
      I also do not see contradictions in terms of faith.
      Believe it? For God's sake! I believe too, but ...

      But it seems to me that the author of the article does not distinguish between faith in God (Allah, Buddha, anyone) with faith in the administrative apparatus of the church (any).
      Priests are people like you and me. We are all sinners. But if they talk about God, then let them behave in accordance with the canons of faith. Let them preach their faith. And they do not teach other fellow citizens how to live.

      Nobody gave them a patent for this. Including god.
  26. aviamed90
    aviamed90 17 June 2013 08: 41
    +7
    If a man is a thief, then he is a thief! At least on a patriotic site, at least on a nationalist one!

    You just have to call everything by their proper names. Instead of shouting about tolerance, about the presumption of innocence and bright thoughts of officials.
    It is enough to look and evaluate the results of the work of such gentlemen.

    We judge cases, right?
    1. regsSSSR
      regsSSSR 17 June 2013 10: 17
      +1
      Well, by itself, nobody argues with this! hi
  27. Ermolov
    Ermolov 17 June 2013 08: 54
    +2
    Quote: Vanek
    Maybe my country is not right, but this is MY country.

    I have no idea how you are, but for me, this is WRONG.

    Hello to everyone. hi

    AT LEAST ONE FOUND THE PULSE OF THIS PAGE ... BUT THE EXPRESSION .. MY COUNTRY ALWAYS RIGHT - SHOULD BE ..LIKE THE LAW OF NATURE ... MORE THAN US ..RUSSIANS ... Beyond the colossal .. FOR ITS POTENTIAL .. AND STORIES ...
    1. vot-te-raz
      vot-te-raz 17 June 2013 09: 46
      +6
      Only Russian can drink all night with a foreigner to complain to him about his country, say how bad everything is, bribes and thieves all around, that Russia crying , And fill his face after he agrees. angry
      1. Rustiger
        Rustiger 17 June 2013 16: 43
        +2
        Quote: vot-te-raz
        Only Russian can drink all night with a foreigner to complain to him about his country, to say how bad everything is

        ... ... ... So what? The thought did not quite "reach".
        I tried to discard the negative attitude and saw this. The Russian genetically considers himself to be involved and responsible for everything that happens in the city / country / world, but he will throw a cigarette butt at the entrance. I am ready to console the orphaned Papuan himself, but he will buy himself a bubble instead of a children's toy. He will not lift his ass off the couch to reach the local administration or the prosecutor's office with a complaint about a broken-off official, but in "several Alpine crossings" he will hammer any uninvited "tourist" into a hole with a butt. He will demolish temples in thousands so that later, in the next generation, he will put on a "red" cross weighing two kilos. And so in everything. ... ...
        Is that bad? Not! This is ours, and we cannot fight or eradicate it. NEED A VECTOR !!!
        Russian "without direction" - Weathervane. It will turn both to the west and to the east, to curry favor with both, to fight off everyone. For thousands of years, they beat, they have not learned to be cunning, instead we have HONESTY; did not become practical, but remained PATIENT AND RESISTANT; They try to make us lazy and depraved, every time we are "reminded" of this - BUT WE RECEIVE ANGRY, RESISTANCE AND THREATS IN RESPONSE.
        When national goals were set, there were no thoughts of either drunkenness or bingeing. . .
        Quote: vot-te-raz
        And fill his face after he agrees.

        This is what has been said above. Just a restraining stopper "spring tension" in the shower, at this time and in this place a little weakened. And who got "under the skating rink" is not the fault of the Russian. It's just that the "foreign-page" will rant about it "throughout Ivanovskaya" trying to humiliate the offender, and the "drinking companion" -Russian will wipe the red snot, push a reply to the end. ... ...
        Yes, and spill another drinks
  28. Yves762
    Yves762 17 June 2013 08: 56
    +1
    IMHO.
    Dear Author, perhaps you should sit down and write a little more detailed work what .?.
    The general idea in this case (and place) requires, perhaps, greater completeness and unambiguity of expression. Including through the greater disclosure of "subparagraphs" in the statement.
    Also, the article (opinion) personally left me more questions and, as a result, controversial issues ... recourse True, I do not think that here they will be discussed in the place ...
  29. Gardamir
    Gardamir 17 June 2013 08: 57
    10
    Not everything is so simple in this world. The Russians have "disappeared" lately. After all, this is our "Russian" tradition to shoot at a wedding, to celebrate Valentine's day or the day of a mad pumpkin. Watch a video on the Internet where it says that "there are no Russians." Therefore, nationalism is a normal reaction to what is happening.
  30. pav-pon1972
    pav-pon1972 17 June 2013 09: 03
    +1
    The article already makes you think, maybe there are excesses in some statements, but most people on this site with great life experience, high education and normal life position. The site has put a plus, there is something to think about ....
  31. Igarr
    Igarr 17 June 2013 09: 06
    +6
    Hi, accomplices ...
    Like Pavlov’s dog with a sausage, I see everything, I understand everything, my saliva is flowing, but I can’t say it.
    More precisely, I can, but too much will succeed. For example, two bows - a challenge to battle. Three - status determination. And just barking - this is rashness.
    Intuitively, I feel that Alexander is right. In many ways, right. Maybe somewhere there the thought is not so crystalline, the turn may be too complicated. But the relevance of the material is visible to the naked eye.
    And about the fact that I have one homeland and one homeland FOREVER - .... is there anything to discuss? For me not.
    But here I’m bureaucrats-neurasthenics-idiots-martyrs .... as long as I can’t shoot, so I’ll bark at least.
  32. valokordin
    valokordin 17 June 2013 09: 28
    17
    I watched yesterday evening with Solovyov, there were about education and about the front and about Syria. But here, interestingly, not one of the speakers, except for a little bit of Solovyov and Weller, expressed the true reasons for the deterioration of education, the collapse of the political ideology of power, the Syrian problems. Under the Soviet regime, taking into account the prevailing ideology of atheism, internationalism, first of all, in one's own country, equality (not to be confused with equality) had no reason for the emergence of religious extremism, nationalism, class hatred. Now all these things are on hand, and academics and vice-rectors like Pivozhorin, Markov, writers and publicists who speak from the TV screen do not explain everything with fundamental reasons. As they are afraid to say that the root of all the hardships of Russia is the new predatory oligarchic bourgeois political and economic system. And so that they do not chat, social flagrant inequality, nationalism, the rabid criminal corruption component of all power, does not allow us to move forward and develop. So that the GDP does not say there, the other democrat will not slap his lips forward. As long as there are Chubais, Svinadze, Abramovichi and no hedgehogs with them, there will be no 25 million jobs. Only a turn in the social plane towards social equality can make a difference. At present, the authorities cannot act otherwise. Beatiyo defines consciousness.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 17 June 2013 10: 41
      +5
      Quote: valokordin
      As they are afraid to say that the root of all the hardships of Russia is the new predatory oligarchic bourgeois political and economic system.

      You are well done! I take off my hat and subscribe to every word! hi
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 17 June 2013 11: 42
      +4
      although Soloviev is a Jew, he is more Russian than Chubais.
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 17 June 2013 11: 57
        0
        Solovyov also does not favor Stalin in his programs
  33. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 17 June 2013 09: 34
    +7
    .Dona.
    My favorite site! For half a year with an Internet on you and when I came across this site, at first I just looked closely before getting light. It was attractive that the site has a lot of adequate, educated, wise people, many people, so many opinions. But spread rot yourself is too much!
    Have a nice day, everyone!!!
  34. Stas
    Stas 17 June 2013 09: 35
    11
    Article minus, the author rows everyone under one comb, but you have to dig much deeper.
    Do not confuse Nazism with nationalism. Healthy nationalism without excesses is always good. Whether you are Russian, Tatar, Ukrainian or Kazakh, you should know and respect your history, your language, your roots, your traditions, your faith in something good, without humiliating or bringing others. Otherwise, we will turn into faceless tolerasts, if you will, gay people. You always need to rebuild your morality and cultural values. Look at what Europe has become - an impersonal crowd (a herd of sheep) - who do not remember their roots, their ancestors, their traditions ..... Do you want to prepare the same fate for our Motherland? You are mistaken, there will not be such. But the patriot differs from everyone else in that he loves his homeland and rejoices with it for good events and speaks the bitter truth without hiding (when lawlessness is happening). One must be objective, and not go to extremes. A head is needed to think, and not to wear a hat.
  35. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 17 June 2013 09: 39
    +2
    RUSSIA is big and "motley" and there are a lot of topics for solution .... but the fact that there is a confrontation of religions on nationalist grounds is ... it is very dangerous ... and who is kindling this also understands ... and This has been done deliberately for the last ten to fifteen years ... but to shake RUSSIA from the inside ...
    And we must, ordinary citizens, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Old Believers, Hare Krishnas, Jews, understand this and not give in ... and live in peace respecting the traditions and customs of the people of our country
  36. Kolya
    Kolya 17 June 2013 09: 48
    +1
    Quote: Vanek
    Maybe my country is not right, but this is MY country.

    I have no idea how you are, but for me, this is WRONG.

    Hello to everyone. hi

    The statement contains the idea of ​​solidarity, that is, for the welfare of the country, its unity, "dissent" should be ready to give up their ambitions. It is impossible for everyone to be always happy and united in understanding the correctness of the country's course. Read Krylov's fable "Swan, Cancer and Pike". Or an example: WHILE YOUR FRIENDS ARE BEATING, YOU WILL FIND OUT WHO IS RIGHT WHO IS WRONG ???
  37. dustycat
    dustycat 17 June 2013 10: 03
    -1
    Very well written and true, but past the "reason" of the urapatriots and so on.
    In my nationality, the devil, along with God, will break both brains and arms and legs.
    I will say more simply - a scoop.
    But sopromat and mechanics have no nationality.
  38. Consul-t
    Consul-t 17 June 2013 10: 04
    11
    "We can talk about everything, but no one gave us the right to spoil in our own house. Please take this into account especially zealous."

    The article is generally correct, but the problem is that they have already come and crap.
    Or is this not visible to you? Therefore, the slogans are moving to nationalistic.
    Look what is happening in the country. In the center of Russia, it’s already dangerous for a Russian to go out to a cafe with a girl in the evening.
    In Tver, on April 28, more than 20 people from the Caucasus came to Morozov Hall. cut and shot the four guys.
    What did they write in the media? Type in Yandex. And they wrote that there was a quarrel between the drunk on household soil. Four people were injured. And not a word about the guests from the south.
    That is why the people are indignant and do not want such neighbors nearby.
    I do not want either.
  39. Begemot
    Begemot 17 June 2013 10: 08
    +5
    It would be strange if everyone had the same opinion. For this, there is a forum so that everyone can speak out and share their thoughts. Ultimately, healthy and viable ideas come to consciousness, many begin to see the situation on the other hand, include new semantic constructs in their logical schemes that were not thought of before, and the presence of radical statements and positions is inevitable and the collective wisdom of like-minded people as once there is that oselka, which should grind sharp edges.
  40. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 17 June 2013 10: 17
    0
    That is why, in my vision, the zealots of the faith of the fathers, the defenders of God (Allah, Buddha, Yarila, and all the rest) are in the front ranks of the enemies of Russia. They want to destroy the country, destroy the unity of more than 160 peoples of Russia, disperse us on religious grounds.

    It seems that there are sound thoughts in the article, but for this statement is a minus. In my vision.
  41. Larus
    Larus 17 June 2013 10: 20
    +6
    The author somehow mixed everything in a heap and gave out something like enemies who are not what he thinks, but this is not so.
  42. sincman
    sincman 17 June 2013 10: 27
    +7
    I will slightly dilute the dullness by lyrical digression.
    The most massive and vibrant dance flash mob in Siberia gathered more than two thousand people. They danced simultaneously in nine cities of Russia.

    Residents of Irkutsk, Abakan, Novosibirsk, Omsk, Krasnoyarsk, Kemerovo, Kyzyl, Tomsk and Gorno-Altaisk staged "Flashmob in Russian-2". A unique dance event took place in Siberia from June 3 to 12, 2013 and was called "Siberian round dance 2013".

    During the action, hundreds of young people from nine cities of Siberia danced to the Russian folk song "Not the Sunrise" in a modern version. The musical composition, to which the Siberians sang, used motives of Tuvan, Khakass and Altai folk music.
    The culmination of the action took place on Russian Day on June 12 at 12:00 Moscow time, when 2280 people simultaneously spun in a round dance in the squares of Irkutsk, Kemerovo, Kyzyl, Tomsk, Abakan, Omsk, Gorno-Altaysk, Krasnoyarsk and Novosibirsk.




    Give in 2014 Round dance is already all over Mother Russia! These events help to unite young people and save their souls from the stinking European cloaca! Simple and unpretentious; nationalist but not racial; strong, but not aggressive!
    You need to unite under any reason, and not poke a finger at each other!
    1. Consul-t
      Consul-t 17 June 2013 19: 07
      +2
      Thank you so much for the video.
      You see how many youth. All different nationalities. All for Russia.
      Joy and pride take that there are still such youth.
      And at such moments, I do not care what nationality they are. Look how beautiful they are.
      THEY ARE ALL RUSSIANS.
      We must protect the country and thus unite the peoples around the Russians and our common home !!!
    2. MG42
      MG42 17 June 2013 20: 13
      +2
      Quote: sincman
      staged "Flashmob in Russian-2"

      Considering how many cameras it was filmed = professional training and direction, the word "flashmob" in huge quotes with a good budget ..
  43. AntonR7
    AntonR7 17 June 2013 10: 30
    +8
    The author really went too far with internationalism, the victories that the Russian army had always consisted mainly of Russian people, or who consider themselves to be such if not by nature then in spirit. And his site is not Russian, but Russian, which once again confirms that, as if for the sake of the nationalities, Russian is embarrassed to say, or how they will be offended. The author confuses good nationalism with radical. As Stolypin said, a people who do not have their own identity is dung on which other peoples grow, otherwise it turns out we have Tatar television, Bashkir, but Russian is not only Russian.
  44. Uncle
    Uncle 17 June 2013 10: 30
    +3
    But the church is just one of the tools to maintain the unity of the people.
    And Russia was always called Holy, not because God’s chosen, but because the plans of our ancestors were always pure. Russia has never been a country of slaves, even under the Tatar-Mongols. No slaves, even God's. We absorb other nations, but we never deprive them of the right to choose Faith.

    I do not agree with the author, Russia is Holy precisely by God's election, Russia, preserving the True Faith is the new Israel, in the divine understanding, and not geographical. Russia has been a country of slaves for too long, and in the worst case, the Orthodox nobles owned the Orthodox slaves. If the first Christians let their slaves go free, they bought out strangers for the purpose of liberation, then in Russia everything was the other way around.
    And do not repeat about the many religions in Russia. It blows with terry liberalism. So get to the freedoms of all minorities.
    1. Middle-brother
      Middle-brother 17 June 2013 10: 58
      +3
      Quote: Uncle
      Holy Russia is precisely for God's election

      I fully support. Moscow is the third Rome, and the fourth will not happen
  45. Astartes
    Astartes 17 June 2013 10: 31
    +4
    For Americans, the country is usually not fair to other countries, so why should this "patriot" not like it ?? And if the farm comes to him, or the bureaucrats get in trouble and they don't build something they need and go unpunished, he will be the first to call on such bureaucrats to shoot. And white Americans treat Latinos and blacks (lawless people, like Caucasians in Russia) very badly. And if you do not be indignant that Serdyukov was not hanged but only demoted in position, then maybe it's better right from the bridge ?? to make life easier for the authorities ?? and only the "king" who admired remained ??
  46. RPD
    RPD 17 June 2013 10: 33
    +4
    there was an article about the substitution of concepts, this article is an illustration of that. about Nazism and nationalism, treat those who shout on TV "Allah is above us, Russia is below us." the foolish bear fights only out of hunger or when a ram climbs into his house, until we seem to be starving ...
  47. Armata
    Armata 17 June 2013 10: 39
    10
    I am a Slav, I am Russian. I do not want to beg the merits of other nations, but they could erase the Slavs from history, now they erase the Russians. How can I normally treat other nations if they try to destroy mine at the very top? A simple example, we have the chief engineer Ivan Andreevich (I can’t give my name), he was born in Grozny, in 19 he entered the UPI, Academician. Of the Chechens, he only has a grandfather in his family. But the count was canceled and now a man in 58 years can’t prove to the cops that he is not Chechen, there is no such nation as Russians today, they destroyed us under Khrushchev.
    1. RPD
      RPD 17 June 2013 11: 24
      +6
      and on the other hand it is strange that the academician has to prove something to the cops
  48. cosmos111
    cosmos111 17 June 2013 10: 42
    +1
    In Moscow 11,12, June, passed the congress of the Popular Front ONF.
    The leader of the ONF, unanimously, to stormy applause turning into a standing ovation, was elected President of Russia. Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. Now, indifferent citizens of the country can participate in politics along with officials and deputies, and directly influence the authorities and politics without intermediaries. The Popular Front has become a public organization with a charter.
    Join the ONF, And all the worst enemies of Russia will be defeated.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 17 June 2013 11: 37
      +4
      And don’t hope in a year there will be a whole united Russia. And you will only have to pay the party contributions to them and raise their hand - approval. Already bureaucrats flooded. Huber bloodsuckers fussed.
  49. IRBIS
    IRBIS 17 June 2013 10: 43
    +4
    This topic is a knife blade and a double-edged sword at the same time. Nationalism and Nazism - sometimes the boundaries are indistinguishable. Pride that Russian and "Great Russian" arrogance - where to draw the line? The author is certainly right, you need to discuss the proposed topics, and not slide into insults. Everyone has their own opinion, everyone has the right to express it, but you should not offend your opponent. There is no need to write disparagingly, derogatory and familiarly about the leaders of the state. No need to prove with foam on the keyboard what you don't really understand. It touches me when they argue with pilots, tankmen and other specialists who have served in the army for three decades and try to shut them up by amateurs. It touches me when they demand a reference to the opinion expressed, formulated by years of study, practice and experience. And besides IN, there are also books, documentaries in the end. Sometimes I want to share my knowledge, which was obtained as a result of painstaking, many years of work, but the realization that you will be groaned and barked by those who did not hold books in their hands, and draws all their opinions and knowledge from IN, stops.
  50. Per se.
    Per se. 17 June 2013 10: 44
    11
    "Maybe my country is wrong, but this is MY country," or even if it's a son of a bitch, but this is our son of a bitch. Very American, but not Russian. In Russia, they have always paid attention to what is fair and what is not, this is how we differ from the mercantile Yankees. As it is said in the famous film, the power is behind those for whom the truth is. If Serdyukov is considered a son of a bitch, it would be better if he was not ours. My country is governed by SPECIFIC people, I will never justify Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and for me personally, as for many, Russia, as a Motherland, is perceived separately from the authorities, this is the difference between our concepts and American ones.