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Scientific companies: with kondachka not work

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In March of this year, representatives of the educational sphere (rectors of universities) voiced the idea of ​​creating so-called scientific companies in the Russian army, in which students of various domestic universities would be involved in the service. Then, the Ministry of Defense positively assessed the proposal, saying that young specialists can effectively fit into the structure of the reformed Russian army, as today there is an acute shortage of personnel in the Armed Forces who are able to manage high-quality new equipment using modern software and hardware.


Scientific companies: with kondachka not work


A rare case, but quite a bit of time passed between the proposal and the beginning of the realization of the idea into reality. From the Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces of the name of Peter the Great, it was reported that it was at this time that the Russian military university would create the first scientific company in Russia. The formation of the company is scheduled for autumn this year. Representatives of the Academy declare that they are already preparing for the reception of the staff of draftees, namely, special premises are being equipped, in which recruits will be placed.

Military specialists generally positively evaluate this project, stating that with the creation of scientific companies in military schools, the intellectual potential of the Russian army can increase. In addition, many of the young people who, to put it mildly, had not experienced great enthusiasm from being able to interrupt their studies in a civilian university and give back to their homeland, today can take a different look at the possibility of doing military service.
How many scientific companies will be created in the Russian army is a question for now. Everything depends not so much on the plans of the Ministry of Defense, but on the experience that the defense ministry will receive when creating a scientific company this fall. If this experience turns out to be positive, and draftees readily begin the work associated with the development and operation of new military technologies, it is obvious that the development of the idea of ​​creating the considered military formations will continue.

By the way, today, in the main military department, words are also being voiced that in the future (again, if the experience is positive), not only technical students, but also students who receive a liberal arts education can be called in to fill scientific companies. It would seem, how can the humanities show their knowledge and skills in a military environment? In fact, it can.

At least, such thoughts are expressed by many experts. In particular, RIA-News publishes the words of the chief editor of the journal "Information Wars" AVN Vladimir Prokhvadilova. He claims that humanists would be perfectly fit for military service, which today is by no means limited to controlling military equipment or using small arms. weapons. According to Prokhvatilov, soldiers called to scientific companies from humanitarian universities could act as interpreters or be recruited to solve special tasks on the Internet. After all, it is not a secret that today there are numerous sites in RuNet that are engaged in the purposeful slandering of the Russian army. For the dissemination of materials about the alleged endless violence against the rank and file and violation of human rights in the army of the Russian Federation dozens of groups are created in social networks. The propaganda machine, which sets the task of finally undermining the public support of the army, is working to its fullest. And today, sadly aware as it is, this work is bearing fruit for customers. To understand this, it is enough to look at the number of Russian draft dodgers, which in recent years has been consistently held around the 250 mark of thousands of people. But this is almost a third of the entire modern army ... The figure is just huge.

The scope of use of military personnel of the company of mouths can be very voluminous. Computer technology alone can take thousands of draftees who are addicted to solving programming problems. And there are still electronics, military medicine, the study of the properties of materials, psychological service.

Another question is to what extent will such recruits get the opportunity to realize their potential? Is it possible that scientific companies will work effectively except on paper in official reports to the leadership of the ministry? After all, we have such precedents, when even the most good undertakings turned into an attempt to implement them into some kind of pathetic similarity to what was planned at the beginning. One example is the stillborn foundation Skolkovo, which also had to gather the country's scientific elite and become a generator of ideas for the so-called innovative economy. What is the result? Years of work, billions of allocated funds, lack of intelligible programs and projects. The only thing that Skolkovtsy distinguished themselves was, perhaps, more than an impressive fee for the main lecturer of our time, Mr. Ponomarev, who at the time of the presentation of his twenty-minute lectures did not even have a higher professional education. What a nugget ...

It is the presence of such obviously corrupt connections with “nuggets” at different levels that makes one to be wary of the phrase “scientific companies”. Naturally, the actual introduction of such companies should be accompanied by the approval of intelligible programs, according to which the draftees at military high schools will work. After all, it is impossible to recruit 20-30 people from all over the country, lock them up in the barracks and say: well, salagi - give us a science! .. On the other hand, if the approach is about the same as it was (and is) in " Skolkovo ”, then we can expect such a turn of events.
Another question: if the programs of scientific and near-scientific activities of the modern Russian army are needed, then there should be people who will compile such programs. And here, God save us, learn that programs are developed under the strict guidance of the Ministry of Education and Science headed by Mr. Livanov. These developers have already managed to distinguish themselves, and therefore, with all due respect to individuals, there is no trust in the department as a whole.

So, it means that we will not build the outlined optimism about the possible creation of scientific companies in Armenia to a degree. Of course, the publication of programs of activities of military personnel in these companies is not to be expected, but we hope that these programs are already being prepared by experienced professionals, and not by those who are going to catch another financial fish in still muddy water. In general, there are more questions than answers. The military department, apparently, too. And if the Ministry of Defense really wants to achieve a quality result, you will have to pay close attention to all the issues that arise, and to solve all those problems that are already emerging, too. As they say, with the kondachka not work ...
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  1. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 17 June 2013 08: 03 New
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    I am convinced that the most scientific soldiers will be the children and grandchildren of deputies and others like them.
    1. Vened
      Vened 17 June 2013 08: 24 New
      +7
      Children and grandchildren of deputies have a military card a priori, they do not need to be soldiers at all.
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 17 June 2013 08: 29 New
        12
        But the children of "tyrants" like Stalin, Beria, etc., conquered during the War, some on the front lines, and some on the rear lines, but not their own in Moscow, but German.
        1. experienced
          experienced 17 June 2013 09: 10 New
          +8
          You can even drive into the skull, but this is complete nonsense, what potential will they raise? These companies have always been especially “cultural” (such as military bands) used for “especially gifted” people there, only military tickets were at the club’s head, waiting for a demobilization, and “conscripts” were only going for concerts, there will be also military institutes and they used to prepare military translators were officers, they are needed with special access and service either at headquarters with tolerances or abroad and also clearance.
          In general, there are more questions than good, and the hearing is impaired and visually impaired.
          1. aviamed90
            aviamed90 17 June 2013 09: 45 New
            +4
            experienced

            Totally agree with you.

            It would be better to support domestic design bureaus, applied and fundamental science. It would be more good.

            And students need to study, not what they don’t understand.
            That's when they learn - then let them work for the country!
          2. Ilya Mikhalych
            Ilya Mikhalych 17 June 2013 16: 14 New
            0
            My vision is minus 3,5 and I was drafted into the army with category B. Sniper future laughing
          3. atalef
            atalef 17 June 2013 20: 44 New
            +3
            Quote: seasoned
            You can even drive into the skull, but this is complete nonsense, what potential will they raise?

            No need to drive anyone into the skull, they will raise it and how.
            Just an example. In Israel there is no deferment from the army, not at all. Except in cases where a guy or girl graduated from school with very high grades (and only in this case) a guy or girl can apply for permission to enter the University before the army. In this case, the Army says no problem, we offer you this way You study at the university for the profession that the army needs (the list of professions is huge, from doctors and psychologists to accountants, builders, programmers, etc.). You choose a university, we fully pay for your studies and give a delay. BUT - a training course instead of 5 years, you must finish in 4 years (doctors 5 instead of 6), grades must be at least 75 (in Russian, hard 4 (which is very difficult)), on summer holidays - from two weeks to a month - to the Army for courses, and most importantly after training, serve - the term of training + 3 years (girls + 2 years) But as officers. In this case, the first 3 (2) years as an officer you receive a soldier’s military service, then in accordance with the rank. (If you were expelled for poor progress or abandoned, you return the Army money for training and, of course, serve). The army undertakes to provide you with service exclusively by profession (training _) - If you do not provide (which I have not heard), you serve the required 3 (2) years and you do not return the money for studies.
            All these young people (with epaulettes) go to such weapons development laboratories, medical centers, electronic wars, and much more, and that they pull a huge number of developments.
            How do I know, just the son is completing the third year of the university under this program and in a year for 3 years to the Army.
            So that they can pull and pull, only normal conditions need to be created.
            1. Petrovich
              Petrovich 19 June 2013 00: 18 New
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              just an example. This is Russia, not Israel. We already saw “jackets” in the army. We can any, even the best, undertaking of lime in a minus.
      2. Manager
        Manager 17 June 2013 09: 59 New
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        Quote: Vened
        Children and grandchildren of deputies have a military card a priori, they do not need to be soldiers at all.


        Yeah, and the titles there are solid Majors and Captains.
    2. Valboro
      Valboro 17 June 2013 20: 27 New
      +4
      I agree with you. And some think in vain that officials hide their children. Now, especially in anticipation of a new law on civil service, they will have to serve, but in such companies ... As for the usefulness for the army, I served 20 years at a military institute and I can firmly say: in one year, there’s NO use in such a researcher WILL BE!
      1. Hon
        Hon 18 June 2013 08: 28 New
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        Quote: ValBORO
        I agree with you. And some think in vain that officials hide their children. Now, especially in anticipation of a new law on civil service, they will have to serve, but in such companies ... As for the usefulness for the army, I served 20 years at a military institute and I can firmly say: in one year, there’s NO use in such a researcher WILL BE!

        My friend took part in the writing of this law, he himself did not serve and the law "worked" correctly)))
  2. tank64rus
    tank64rus 17 June 2013 08: 04 New
    +9
    First, military universities were liquidated, and now we are starting to try to do something. I wonder why the defenders of Oboronservis are not charged with destroying the country's defense.
  3. treskoed
    treskoed 17 June 2013 08: 07 New
    +3
    How many scientific companies will be created in the Russian army is still a question.

    So much to provide the "service" of the children of the "right" people! And the “scientific” private will teach the company captain a “right” life!
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 17 June 2013 10: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: treskoed
      And the “scientific” private will teach the company captain a “right” life!


      The “scientific” company will be ordered to command the “scientific” captain candidate of Serdyukov’s sciences — so that the “scientific” warriors arrive in nightclubs and strip bars in time not drunk and stoned to infrequent scientific constructions.
      1. Petrovich
        Petrovich 19 June 2013 00: 24 New
        +2
        And imagine the scientific hazing ...
  4. fenix57
    fenix57 17 June 2013 08: 11 New
    +6
    , For starters, let the Soviet system of education be returned (the exam in the "basket" and "delete"), and only then you can think about scientific companies.
    "This year, the exam in mathematics did not pass 7,6% of graduates. This was announced on Friday, June 14, the press service of Rosobrnadzor ...!"

    Read full article: http://top.rbc.ru/society/14/06/2013/861911.shtml
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 17 June 2013 08: 35 New
      -3
      In fact, the Unified State Examination idea is absolutely correct and is no more susceptible to corruption than any other form of exam, for which it’s good to take mathematics at school well once, and even more than once, take it at a university before passing courses for money the same university for admission, I do not really understand. It is obvious that schools and universities in the preparation of the program will do everything to a student without extra. preparation could not do.

      The more transparent the system, the less is the left "business." And in general, paid education must be removed. The education system is a training mechanism for the state, and not a shop for shaking money out of the population.
      1. Whale
        Whale 17 June 2013 10: 34 New
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        if he knows the item, he will hand over both 2 and 3 times, and if he doesn’t know, he’ll just buy it
    2. KBPC50
      KBPC50 17 June 2013 08: 57 New
      +4
      Education must be universal! This is the only way to select the best - in terms of science, people. Young and literate, and now they are less and less. Even here they say "goodbye"! etc.
  5. Avenger711
    Avenger711 17 June 2013 08: 28 New
    +2
    All this resembles some kind of strategy, hire a scientist, transfer 10 scientists to research technology X, get +20 research points.
    1. Gato
      Gato 17 June 2013 10: 40 New
      +1
      Right, X-COM. The war with the green men.
      The easiest way to solve the problem is to take and drive whom you need into scientific divisions, engineering corps and labor armies. Pure water Trotskyism no
  6. Michael ZM
    Michael ZM 17 June 2013 09: 03 New
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    The most reasonable solution, I think. Of course, there is nothing innovative in it. Almost all of the brilliant scientific intelligentsia of Tsarist Russia had officer ranks. This is prestigious and reliable. Only conservatives will interfere with serving conscripts there. I think many, who prefer to think before acting, will rush to such institutions with a desire. Yes, they will remain there. In the military sphere. On the complete disappearance of the headache about tomorrow, with its unthinkable housing, and so on.
    Although there should be accustomed to elementary discipline.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 17 June 2013 09: 15 New
      +3
      That's just about tsarist Russia is not necessary. In order to eliminate illiteracy in it, it took the most competent, even by steamers, to Paris to send. Prior to this, she somehow did not succeed with this, as with industrial production.
      1. Pushkar
        Pushkar 17 June 2013 10: 28 New
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        Quote: Avenger711
        That's just about tsarist Russia is not necessary. In order to eliminate illiteracy in it, it took the most competent, even by steamers, to Paris to send. Prior to this, she somehow did not succeed with this, as with industrial production.
        Have you heard about the decree of the tsar’s tsar about the “cook children”? Schools existed in two versions - “real schools” and “gymnasiums”. It was possible to enter a university only after a gymnasium. In percentage terms, in tsarist Russia, not more than 20% are literate; in the first years of Soviet power, complete illiteracy was eliminated. In industrial terms - in 1913 the seventh economy of Europe, in 1960 the second in the world. And by steamers, creacles travel to Paris even then.
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 17 June 2013 12: 48 New
          -1
          I heard something, but many others didn’t hear it.
  7. cartridge
    cartridge 17 June 2013 09: 24 New
    +2
    Scientific companies are a fiction and a reserve in which children of those in power will legally hide from service!
    1. Consul-t
      Consul-t 17 June 2013 10: 25 New
      +3
      Maybe this is so.
      I have a son, 17 years old. I would like him to serve, but he has a birth injury, dislocation of the cervical vertebrae. The veins that supply the brain with blood overlap. Physical exercise is generally contraindicated for him.
      He has been working with computers for many years, studying to be a programmer. I would like him to serve in such companies and his knowledge to serve the good of the motherland. But where is the guarantee that his commanders will be sympathetic to his physical limitations? What kind of grandfather doesn’t drive him with physical training?
      Where to find such a part where his knowledge and hobbies could be used?
      I myself served an emergency. And I think that in the army they make real men out of guys.
      In my work, if a guy slanted, for me a minus when hiring him. The discipline of such is lame.
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 17 June 2013 15: 38 New
        -1
        I have a similar diagnosis, "limited fit." Given the number of commissions of varying degrees of insanity through which I had to go, no different from the "Adventures of the Good Soldier Schweik" and completely ignoring the costs of their conduct, I see no reason to get in touch with the army. Especially if you are still unsuitable for the drill and you want to serve at the computer. You can sit at the computer at home. Yes, of course, my cousin served normally in 2004-2006 in Mozdok, returned, +10 to growth, +100 to strength. And his father, my uncle, back in the Soviet Army, in the valiant airborne forces, was beaten at one time in such a way that he is still lame. But the army does not recognize an individual approach by definition, it is foolish to demand that individual standards be established for each, especially if outwardly a healthy forehead 180 cm tall. And if it’s not suitable, then it’s better not to get involved.

        Take the commission on the spot, then in the republican hospital, where I spent 10 days just waiting for the fucking tomography, while managing to catch a cold despite the summer, and not a single bastard in the hospital even gave aspirin, okay, there was plenty of money for grub and medicine. In hospitals with a vondurde and draftees, who are driven 10 times for expensive examinations deeply and sincerely do not care.

        A father should make a man out of a kid, and no officer can help here in a year or two. What will he do if the foreheads go to the army whose ideas about how to behave do not go beyond the yard.

        A friend works for me here after 5 years of lieutenancy, just the embodiment of the army method. Just one example, from the nefig to do, I inserted a needle into the monitor cable. X) I still have not broken anything, probably only because there is no sledgehammer.
  8. shamil
    shamil 17 June 2013 09: 34 New
    +1
    Yes, these are the stations of young technicians
  9. TRex
    TRex 17 June 2013 09: 44 New
    +2
    Scientific companies, sports companies, music companies ... which inquisitive minds just can't come up with. With the development of new technologies and the emergence of new trends in the mass consciousness, “nano”, “extrasensory”, “two-bedroom” and other funny companies may appear soon. Well at least not the shelves.
    Do we have people of military age who have nowhere to go? Correctly says CARTRON - this is a natural fiction. Swam - we know.
  10. creak
    creak 17 June 2013 10: 11 New
    +4
    How can a student who begins to move forward military science and military technology have no idea about the modern army, the tasks facing it. While he will master the basics of army service, you look at the service and will end. A student will not be able to work as a translator until he has completed a military translation course, knowledge of just a foreign language will not help here. And as for the fight against the blackening of the Armed Forces, this is not even funny, but sad. No need to put at the head of the army of Serdyukov and Makarov and expel objectionable professionals.
    In development of the idea expressed in the article, it was possible to revive the practice of the service of the offspring of our so-called creative intelligentsia in the theater of the Soviet Army (this was practiced when, for whatever reason, the son needed to be served in the army). There are thieves like sportrot. Professionals should be engaged in military science and military technology. The idea is completely rotten and minus the author for trying to support it.
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 18 June 2013 12: 50 New
      -1
      Quote: ranger
      How can a student who begins to move forward military science and military technology have no idea about the modern army, the tasks facing it.

      But why does everyone pretend that they don’t understand anything? In the laboratories of institutes, it is necessary, as it were, to pick up the image more accurately ... wash the tubes for someone. It is advisable to a responsible person who understands the importance and significance of such work. And in order to punish him, it was possible or encouraged realistically, but without material costs. And then the laboratory hardening of the laboratory ends, the Russian hardening is not suitable, they still don’t want to take Tajiks, or Tajikistan will suddenly turn into a country of breakthrough technologies, where local geeks will bargain with randomly obtained chemical compounds.
      Another thing is the soldiers of scientific mouths. Educated, responsible and easy to reward - gave a leave, a soldier and happy, and to punish, here everyone understands, there are no ways to count! laughing
      At the same time, and take a closer look at the person, maybe he is really good at something. Here, after all, it is important that the supervisor be like Tarasov — he saw where a capable graduate preparing for graduate school, for example. And oops, the guy is already in the military enlistment office, and there in the scientific company. First, wash his test tubes so that homemade pies come out, and then for a conversation, a serious offer, attributes of the VPK - tolerances, subscriptions and other romance of the blacksmith of the shield and sword of the homeland. And well, her, graduate school of Moscow State University.

      But without the Tarasovs and Tikhonovs this scheme is complete ... nonsense.
  11. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 17 June 2013 10: 22 New
    +3
    By the nature of my activity, I have contacts with military experts who are invited to implement the proposals for creating "scientific" companies. Currently, qualification requirements are being prepared for students of higher educational institutions of the Russian Federation who are planning to undergo military service under the draft “3 times in 3 months” scheme. We are working on proposals: where will these companies be and what will they do. Nobody dares to use the personnel of these companies in units of constant readiness. For such a short period of time a soldier (even if he studies at the institute) - the most sophisticated equipment of the Air Force, Air Defense, East Kazakhstan region - can not be trained. So the soldier of the "scientific" company needs to be assigned to the regular positions of military units not related to combat readiness. It was possible to think about the use of students in the work of the Scientific Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense. But there is its own specifics. What can be done in 3 months? Nothing at all. It seems that they voiced the idea, and nobody knows what to do. And it is possible that this will be an official loophole, not to serve in the army, for professors sons.
  12. Gato
    Gato 17 June 2013 10: 34 New
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    After all, you can’t recruit 20-30 people from all over the country, lock up in the barracks and say: well, salagi - give us science !.


    Doesn’t resemble the Special Design Bureau of the NKVD? So then it was a necessary measure. IMHO science in captivity does not multiply. Those. A short-term result can be obtained, but in the long run this is a dead end.
  13. os9165
    os9165 17 June 2013 11: 00 New
    +3
    With all this responsibility, I declare this stillborn child with such an approach. (It is planned to undergo military service on conscription according to the “3 times for 3 months” scheme — laughter and only that.) They have nowhere and nothing to do, how companies will begin to move military science and military technology if they have no idea about the modern army, the tasks facing it, and about science they have only a general vague idea.
    1. treskoed
      treskoed 17 June 2013 12: 38 New
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      And I think that the efficiency will not be lower than “scientific” skolkovo and nano, especially if the deputy of the lecture will read $ 1000000 apiece!
  14. Navy7981
    Navy7981 17 June 2013 11: 05 New
    +2
    once, during the years of the Great War, one aircraft designer who worked in the "sharashka" came to the curator and said:
    - ... we must switch from 2-stroke to 4-stroke engines.
    - ... maybe you should not rush, let's first 3-stroke and gradually move on to 4 ...

    Let's hope that this does not happen.
  15. Yuriwhite
    Yuriwhite 17 June 2013 11: 19 New
    +3
    The idea is not bad. Itself was called upon the end of 1 course in 1987 of the Instrument-making faculty. Hit the RTV air defense. So, by the end of 1 year of service, I understood the radar device no worse than our officers, and then I repaired the unit which they could not do to the regiment. I was generally surprised - military technical documentation is beyond praise. In terms of accessibility, she reminded me of the scarce book translated in my time, The Art of Circuit Engineering.
    All this I mean that students could be used more effectively.
    1. Justme
      Justme 17 June 2013 21: 14 New
      +1
      I can confirm - the documentation was good ...
      ..and the book The Art of Circuit Engineering (first issue) - good to remember ..
  16. Praetorian
    Praetorian 17 June 2013 11: 36 New
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    Oh and Chukhna)))
  17. individual
    individual 17 June 2013 12: 28 New
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    Of all the above, a red line marks the idea that with a call to the ranks of the armed forces, when in the "runners" are about 250 thousand potential recruits, and the army units are undersupplied, something needs to be done. In the modern realities of manning the army, flexible approaches and new methods of conscription are needed.
    Scientific companies are one of the experienced proposals for resolving the issue. After working out the practical use of innovations, a tested approach to new recruitment of military personnel.
    Research and development are going to hope that the problem is resolved.
  18. Svyatoslav72
    Svyatoslav72 17 June 2013 13: 21 New
    +1
    A very harmful and stupid undertaking, as well as musical and sports companies. 1. The army is engaged in defense, tactics strategy, physical. and prof. as well as special procurement. 2. The army must prepare a reserve and select contractors. 3. The army is a power component of the state, and not: scientific; dance; sports; feed or construction.
    Those wishing to create in the Army, a state in a state, do nothing more. If State interests extend to the scientific or other potential of a citizen, then service in the Army can be replaced by professional work on the necessary topics or in the design bureau or factory. But! not in the barracks, not in boots, and not by order. Such a stupid topic should be closed and no longer raised.
    PS A brothel was bred in the State, now every clown wants to open his Circus at someone else's expense.
  19. IRBIS
    IRBIS 17 June 2013 13: 33 New
    +2
    I agree that a genius must have the conditions for the application of his genius. Sports talent - appropriate environment. Question: We have so many geniuses and sports talents that we need to create special companies? But something is not visible traces of the activities of the "geniuses". And those companies whose parents are genius will serve in these companies.
  20. True
    True 17 June 2013 15: 05 New
    +1
    A pointless undertaking. "Sharashka" No. 2. It would be better to have funded institutions involved in military development.
  21. Mizhgan
    Mizhgan 17 June 2013 18: 09 New
    +1
    Many see this idea as negative, but it seems to me that there are geniuses among “computer nerds”, and perhaps these geniuses will pay their debt to the Motherland, serving the Fatherland, and possibly also on a contract basis in the future ....
    Py. Sy. Question, but have you seen talented admins, programmers, etc. physical development is above average ???? I know one of many, but this is an exception. And besides, I would not call him a programming genius, he just knows very well, no more ...
    Of course, there will be exclamations, in the civilian world these "nerds" will earn more ... But do not rush, they haven’t announced any salaries to them, the social guarantees of the military, in principle, everyone knows. Well, in the civilian world, alas, there is often a scam, that is, you work on a salary - work ....
  22. MasterTactician
    MasterTactician 17 June 2013 18: 36 New
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    Quote: Mijgan
    but I see that among the "computer nerds" there are geniuses


    Thank you, but we don’t need geniuses like Alexei Babushkin (Google). luchshe absolutely without them than with them.
    1. Mizhgan
      Mizhgan 17 June 2013 19: 14 New
      +1
      Thank you, but we don’t need geniuses like Alexei Babushkin (Google). luchshe absolutely without them than with them.
      Well, as always, the physical data does not shine, but the "genius", that's just the "genius of fraud." And he has nothing to do in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, there isn’t that zest, for example, after the zone one counterfeiter became the chief expert and the developer of notes - this is Viktor Ivanovich Baranov. This has its own story, and this topic is not practical. H as an example, perfect ...
  23. Student
    Student 17 June 2013 18: 39 New
    +1
    But it doesn’t work so that the floors and glasses will scrub? But since the company is scientific, it will sound something like this. Calculate the maximum efficiency for PCBs taking into account the friction of the brush on the floor surface, knowing that the angle between the floor and the hand is 45 degrees.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 17 June 2013 19: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Student
      But it doesn’t work so that the floors and glasses will scrub?


      And why shouldn’t they score glasses? Ali bar they? Ali orderlies laid to them?
      There is nothing to produce different “scientific” divisions - companies of nano-shooters, iPhone battalions, chess squadrons and other divisions of baleruns in khaki strings. It is much more advisable to create an atmosphere in the state and society in which all sorts of unarmed sharuns and Kosari from service in the armed forces feel who they are - second-class people.
  24. MasterTactician
    MasterTactician 17 June 2013 18: 40 New
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    Quote: Student
    But it doesn’t work so that the floors and glasses will scrub? But since the company is scientific, it will sound something like this. Calculate the maximum efficiency for PCBs taking into account the friction of the brush on the floor surface, knowing that the angle between the floor and the hand is 45 degrees.


    So it will be, with a probability of 99%
  25. Justme
    Justme 17 June 2013 21: 18 New
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    Students, like young specialists, can then shine when good hands fall ..
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 17 June 2013 21: 51 New
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      Quote: JustMe
      Students, like young specialists, can then shine when good hands fall ..


      Only something shiny can shine. Some substances, even when taken in the best of hands, only stink.
  26. baboon
    baboon 17 June 2013 21: 32 New
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    again, good intentions get stuck in a swamp of bureaucratic lawlessness and corruption, and there were people in Russia in Soviet times before the war who had a huge amount of enthusiasm and out of nothing, from scratch they created a lot of new and interesting, and most importantly useful, that ultimately helped win the war. But Stalin shot such people bastard. What can I say people are now not the same went.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 17 June 2013 21: 47 New
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      Quote: Baboon
      before the war, such people who had a huge amount of enthusiasm and from nothing, from scratch, created a lot of new and interesting, and most importantly useful, that ultimately helped to win the war. But Stalin shot such people bastard.


      What kind of enthusiasts did JV Stalin shoot? Kurchevsky with his dynamo-reactive psychosis in artillery, or, for example, the chief of Ostekhbyuro Bekauri, a science fiction writer who wastes folk remedies? Who exactly do you mean?

      Quote: Baboon
      What can I say people are now the wrong ones


      Look less in the mirror. Not so bad.
  27. Pushkar
    Pushkar 18 June 2013 00: 12 New
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    I gave youth to the army and I can say one thing: the army should be engaged exploitation military equipment, and development and industrial production reliable and efficient military equipment - the defense industry. Scientific companies are nonsense of dummies and unintelligible deputies.
  28. Tao
    Tao 18 June 2013 03: 28 New
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    What deputies just won’t come up with is to protect their children from the real army. Of course, what "wise guy" will send his son to that Hell that they themselves created? Not to solve the problems of the army ...
    I will say more - it would be better at the Academy of Sciences, every second "project manager" was removed, and scientists were paid 3-4 times higher salaries.
  29. shurup
    shurup 18 June 2013 06: 33 New
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    The Women's Science Death Battalion or the Wild Science Division sound good too.
    A “scientific” company cannot be, but only a training one.
    For example, graduates and teachers of the Mine class and school took up science, but these were those who had already served or, like Popov, who had graduated from the university.
    However, even under the Provisional Government, deputies were not scientifically taught anywhere, and there were five-story beds in the capital’s barracks. If only not to get to the front!
  30. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 18 June 2013 08: 12 New
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    It seems to me that the idea is not bad, but it is necessary that professionals deal with these companies. You look, one of them then will go to work on the defense industry. But of course it is necessary to increase the pay to scientists and production workers, and not to the "effective managers" who command them. And then, as always, 3 chief at 1 worker.
  31. kind
    kind 18 June 2013 16: 44 New
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    Military experts generally positively assess this project, saying that with the creation of scientific companies at military universities, the intellectual potential of the Russian army may increase.

    Well-intentioned road lined ... well, you know where.
    In addition, many of the young people who before, to put it mildly, did not feel very enthusiastic about the possibility of interrupting their studies at a civilian university and paying off their debt to their homeland, today may take a different look at the possibility of military service.

    They can take a look, but will they?

    You can also create a company of soldiers of non-traditional sexual orientation. It will be real combat pid ... sy. soldier
  32. Imrail
    Imrail 18 June 2013 23: 27 New
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    Quote: stock buildbat
    It seems to me that the idea is not bad, but it is necessary that professionals deal with these companies.

    The idea is really good, the main thing is that the implementation doesn’t let us down ... It's no secret that now some research, research and production enterprises themselves help their young and promising employees to “get away” from the army in order not to lose valuable employees. And these same employees, not very stupid people, see in the army only violence and the meaninglessly lost year of their lives, the loss of knowledge and the loss of opportunities. And with these scientific companies, there is at least a chance to attract such people into the army, where they will not be divorced 100% from the sphere of their interests, where they will be able to show their potential. And such employees are actually oh how many.