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China has once again upgraded a clone of the Soviet T-54

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Despite the fact that Chinese industry continues to supply the armed forces with the latest modifications tanks Type 96 and Type 99, the most massive tank of the Chinese army continues to be the medium Type 59. This vehicle is the development of a licensed version of the still Soviet T-54.


China has once again upgraded a clone of the Soviet T-54



New upgrade Type 59


Therefore, it is not surprising that the Chinese are constantly modernizing old tanks. Even today, Yury Lyamin, a well-known expert in the Chinese Armed Forces, posted a new version of the 2004 Type on the forum of the website "The Valor 59".

This machine has a reinforced armament, in the form of an 125-mm cannon, which is a clone of the Soviet T-72 tank gun. The front of the tower is reinforced with multi-layer armor modules, and anti-cumulative screens are installed around the perimeter that are able to neutralize the actions of anti-tank grenades of the old types.


Tanzanian version of modernization Type 59 may have turned out to be too expensive for the Chinese army


Earlier, China modernized the 59 Type of the Tanzanian army, but, according to Yury Lyamin, it seems like modernization, as for Tanzania, they considered it too expensive for themselves, and made it a cheaper and simpler option.

At present, there is no certainty as to how massive such an upgrade is, perhaps it still exists only in the form of a single prototype.
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  1. Edward72
    Edward72 15 June 2013 07: 30 New
    +6
    Like an ancient civilization, gunpowder was invented. And then they turned on the scanner.
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 15 June 2013 07: 39 New
      -1
      Quote: Edward72
      Like an ancient civilization, gunpowder was invented.

      China, like us, was shocked by the events that caused a lot of things; they also had stagnation. Now the time is turbulent, it is necessary to catch up with the developed countries, especially in the military sense, while they naturally run after others forward. Given the fact that money has appeared are developing in all directions, even space!
      1. Gipmol
        Gipmol 15 June 2013 13: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Edward72
        Like an ancient civilization, gunpowder was invented. And then they turned on the scanner.

        No, then came the lights of the ANGLOSAX democracy, and gave China the morphine as a gift. After that, the oldest one started having problems, so for now they turn on the scanner, but for now they can't come up with another "gunpowder"
    2. itr
      itr 15 June 2013 08: 11 New
      -2
      They do the right thing
      In 20 years they will do their job
      An example of our AvtoVAZ for 20 years, three miscarriages but our own development
      Reason for your pride
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 15 June 2013 10: 31 New
        +7
        There is simply a place unlucky.
      2. omsbon
        omsbon 15 June 2013 20: 56 New
        0
        Quote: itr
        Reason for your pride

        I don’t understand. Do you live in another country? Divide pride into two camps: yours and ours?
    3. elmi
      elmi 15 June 2013 11: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: Edward72
      Like an ancient civilization, gunpowder was invented. And then they turned on the scanner.

      I can imagine how they are looking forward to the release of our armata, they will not be stingy even to buy a batch of tanks in large quantities for copying to avert their eyes. But how simple it is - you don’t need to maintain your design bureau, just buy the best developments from all countries and copy
      1. cartridge
        cartridge 15 June 2013 12: 18 New
        +1
        Give each Chinese a personal tank!
        You will never collect them together for a war, and a barrel of Russian oil will be sold for $ 500!
        1. Phantom Revolution
          Phantom Revolution 15 June 2013 15: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: cartridge
          Give each Chinese a personal tank!

          In fact, this will not hurt China, in China the two armies are professional and well-equipped, but not as numerous as the meat coming in the forefront, and modernized tanks, though not new, will still work. 10 t-55 will tear one modern tank)
    4. Tartary
      Tartary 15 June 2013 13: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: Edward72
      Like an ancient civilization, gunpowder was invented. And then they turned on the scanner.

      About gunpowder is a simple self-promotion of the Middle Ages ...)))

      Such a discovery (!) Just then had to advance China to the first line of great, if not the only superpower ...

      Question: - why didn’t this happen ????????????
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 15 June 2013 15: 25 New
        +3
        Because the Chinese are not Europeans. Settled and do not care for them not the rest of the world. Therefore, fairy tales about Chinese Siberia are just fairy tales. They will never trample there, because it’s cold there, it was only a white man who, within 200 years from the Volga, could reach Kamchatsky.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 15 June 2013 19: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: Tartary
        Question: - why didn’t this happen ????????????

        Because the Chinese did not invent any gunpowder.
        1. AdAAkRuSS
          AdAAkRuSS 16 June 2013 01: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Setrac
          Quote: Tartary
          Question: - why didn’t this happen ????????????

          Because the Chinese did not invent any gunpowder.

          They probably copied the gunpowder: =)
    5. Tao
      Tao 16 June 2013 16: 06 New
      +1
      China has never invented anything, the wrong mentality. However, since ancient times they have been the guardians of knowledge accumulated by others. Actually Gunpowder was still known in the ancient Sumera, more than 5000 years ago
    6. KononAV
      KononAV 16 June 2013 22: 07 New
      0
      There is an opinion that the oldest history of China was written in the century 17 18 so it is not a fact that gunpowder and not a fact that they invented
  2. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 15 June 2013 07: 32 New
    +6
    Let them copy! it will be worse if they start to create themselves ..
    1. bask
      bask 15 June 2013 07: 43 New
      +6
      Quote: MIKHAN
      copy! it will be worse if they start to create

      They are already creating Type-99, an in-house development of the Chinese.
      1. Akim
        Akim 15 June 2013 07: 57 New
        12
        Quote: bask
        Type-99, own development of the Chinese.


        There is little of its own. AZ and guns are copies of Soviet developments. Chassis is the development of the Ural school. That's when they create something fundamentally new ...
        Amendment to the article. The Chinese received the T-54 honestly from the USSR - therefore this is not a clone. They started cloning with the T-62.
        1. bask
          bask 15 June 2013 08: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          That's when they create something fundamentally new ...

          School, Ural, who argues but a tank of their own design.
          So it can be said about almost any modern tank. ,, Merkava-4,, uses the T-34 suspension scheme and the Rheinmetall gun ,,,.
          About the Type-96 tank, one could also say that it was a T-72 clone.
          1. Akim
            Akim 15 June 2013 08: 14 New
            +2
            Quote: bask
            Merkava-4, uses the T-34 suspension scheme


            I did not know that Merkava was using Christie's suspension. About the ZTZ-99. What is there besides the tower and its building?
            1. bask
              bask 15 June 2013 08: 35 New
              +2
              Quote: Akim
              Merkava uses Christie's pendant.

              Do carrots have a spring pendant, Christie ???

              Quote: Akim
              . About the ZTZ-99. What is there besides the tower and its building

              Engine: diesel MB871ka501, liquid-cooled turbocharged with 1500 hp Own OMS.
              The 99 type is no longer a T-72 clone, but a purely Chinese development using nodes and guns from the T-72.
              1. Akim
                Akim 15 June 2013 08: 47 New
                +2
                Quote: bask
                IP 99 is not a T-72 clone,

                I did not say that it is a clone. This is a hodgepodge. Engine - German SLA - French (from Al-Khalid) _KUV - Soviet / Ukrainian. The other part is Soviet / Russian. This is not an independent car. Although, it is better than the T-90A and T-80UD.
                1. bask
                  bask 15 June 2013 08: 57 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Akim
                  . This is a hodgepodge.

                  Solyanka -I agree. But its own Chinese.
                  What technologies are available, such Chinese use and recycle, under their Chinese production.
                  Quote: Akim
                  o not a stand alone machine. Although, it is better than the T-90A and T-80UD.

                  And the Chinese BMP VN11 export version of the WZ502, a clone ((offspring)) of the Russian BMP-3, is also better than the original.
                2. Alexander D.
                  Alexander D. 15 June 2013 14: 55 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Akim
                  Quote: bask
                  IP 99 is not a T-72 clone,

                  I did not say that it is a clone. This is a hodgepodge. Engine - German SLA - French (from Al-Khalid) _KUV - Soviet / Ukrainian. The other part is Soviet / Russian. This is not an independent car. Although, it is better than the T-90A and T-80UD.

                  Dear Akim, it is now almost impossible to develop a new type of suspension for the tank. They have already been developed and created so much that what not to think up, she will surely repeat someone else's development. The same goes for the general layout of tanks. Now all new tank manufacturers are trying to conclude contracts for the licensed production of individual tank components, which they consider the most suitable for them. The Type-99 development is Chinese, but using separate components and assemblies from different manufacturers (licensed or not, this is another matter).
              2. svp67
                svp67 15 June 2013 13: 32 New
                +2
                Quote: bask
                Quote: Akim
                Merkava uses Christie's pendant.

                Do carrots have a spring pendant, Christie ???

                Quote: Akim
                . About the ZTZ-99. What is there besides the tower and its building

                Engine: diesel MB871ka501, liquid-cooled turbocharged with 1500 hp Own OMS.
                The 99 type is no longer a T-72 clone, but a purely Chinese development using nodes and guns from the T-72.
                They overdid something with the suspension - it seems they decided to reduce its cost ...
              3. Saburov
                Saburov 16 June 2013 02: 25 New
                +3
                Are you tankers or at least an urgent one served in an armored vehicle? What kind of manners to talk about tanks without even feeling the equipment, I happened to finish the CHELYABINSK HIGH TANK TEAM SCHOOL, I took part at the beginning of the 80x, there was a case, as for the Chinese tanks, the first armor hu ... that is porous, the cross-sections of the tower seams are welded so , you can split the tower upon a successful hit, this also applies to copies of Soviet and your own designs, well, there will not be more than one sensible country selling the methodology and production of armor steel, on which you can earn millions, especially since this experience has been accumulating for decades and participation in armed conflicts, no one will sell this experience, he himself served on a T-72 (bug) did not arrive, but the car is reliable and simple, with the RPG-29 it withstood three hits, although it got a light shell shock, it was broken under the shoulder strap, but they got their own way and scolded our tanks in vain, they haven’t done better yet for battle machines and what kind of video they’re distributing, as if our tanks are explosive at the same time, and the same photos and videos have been seen in my career, I only saw ammunition twice tank burns, once when there were 8 hits in 80, with only eight broke out, was like a sieve, and the second when a land mine truck and flew straight into the hole grenade flew when conscripts left the car.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 16 June 2013 06: 24 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Saburov
                  Are you tankers or at least an urgent one served in an armored vehicle? What kind of manners to talk about tanks without even feeling technology

                  I was a rabbi in a mechanized brigade. I’m familiar with third generation tanks. With T-55 NO.
                2. cyclist
                  cyclist 16 June 2013 07: 41 New
                  -2
                  What kind of manners to talk about tanks without even feeling technology

                  How long have you been feeling Chinese equipment?
                  more than one sensible country to sell armored steel methodology and production, on which you can earn millions

                  Russia, with the collapse of the USSR, has long been an unhealthy country, everything is being sold effectively by managers
                  I don’t want to argue, but I think that I can fire my tanks at the training ground and study China’s actions
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 15 June 2013 12: 18 New
            0
            Merkava has Vickers, like the vast majority of Western tracked vehicles.
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 15 June 2013 08: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          T-54 Chinese received honestly from the USSR - therefore, this is not a clone. They started cloning with the T-62.

          Cloning is a synonym for copying any objects. In some areas, it has specific meanings ... hi
          1. Akim
            Akim 15 June 2013 08: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: Corsair
            Cloning is a synonym for copying any objects

            Copying is 100% repetition of the original, but they received documentation on the T-54. Those. released under license, like Poland and Czechoslovakia.
            1. bask
              bask 15 June 2013 08: 43 New
              0
              Quote: Akim
              Copying is 100% repetition of the original

              What Type 99 repeats 100% MBT T-72 ???
              Clone in the Encyclopedic Dictionary:
              Clone - (from Greek. Klon - branch - offspring), a population of cells or organisms that descended from a common ancestor by asexual reproduction.
              Maybe the word ,, clone ,, and comes to the Chinese tank, like ((offspring T-72))
              1. Akim
                Akim 15 June 2013 08: 49 New
                +3
                Quote: bask
                What Type 99 repeats 100% MBT T-72 ???

                And I tried to say that clone и copy - these are different things.
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 15 June 2013 09: 08 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Akim
                  And I tried to say that a clone and a copy are two different things.

                  From Wikipedia:Cloning (eng. Cloning from other Greek. Κλών - "twig, shoot, offspring") - in the most general sense - exact reproduction of any object any required number of times. Objects resulting from cloning (each individually and their entirety) are called a clone.
                  Ссылка:http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D


                  0% BE% D
                  0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D1%85_%D



                  0%B8_%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 15 June 2013 08: 57 New
              0
              Quote: Akim
              Copying is 100% repetition of the original, but they received documentation on the T-54. Those. released under license, like Poland and Czechoslovakia.

              Then we need to talk about legal or NOT legal copying (cloning)
              1. Akim
                Akim 15 June 2013 09: 11 New
                +2
                Quote: Corsair
                Then we need to talk about legal or NOT legal copying (cloning)

                Tu-4 is a clone of B-29? No - this is a copy (albeit not legal). Because it is at 100% (except for radio stations) - they repeated the "American". If you translate into automotive topics: VAZ 2101 is a copy of Fiat 124, and Cherie QQ is a clone of Daewoo Matiz.
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 15 June 2013 09: 21 New
                  0
                  Quote: Akim
                  Quote: Corsair
                  Then we need to talk about legal or NOT legal copying (cloning)

                  Tu-4 is a clone of B-29? No - this is a copy (albeit not legal). Because it is at 100% (except for radio stations) - they repeated the "American". If you translate into automotive topics: VAZ 2101 is a copy of Fiat 124, and Cherie QQ is a clone of Daewoo Matiz.

                  You go to ..... Wikipedia! lol
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 15 June 2013 09: 28 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Corsair
                    You go to ..... Wikipedia!

                    This is a "VERY" reliable source. repeat
                    1. Corsair
                      Corsair 15 June 2013 09: 36 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Akim
                      This is a "VERY" reliable source.

                      In this case, the definition is formulated accurately (checked in several independent sources) and is trustworthy.
                      Although, of course, not a monograph of the Nobel laureate laughingWhat for GENERAL understanding of the subject in other matters and enough.
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 15 June 2013 09: 47 New
                        0
                        Quote: Corsair
                        In this case, the definition is formulated precisely (

                        Ok so let it be. I give up. But still, this does not change my amendment to the topic
                        China has once again upgraded a clone of the Soviet T-54

                        T-59 is not a clone!
                      2. Corsair
                        Corsair 15 June 2013 10: 11 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Akim
                        Ok so let it be. I give up. But still, this does not change my amendment to the topic

                        Непобедимый wink
              2. Corsair
                Corsair 15 June 2013 09: 29 New
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                VAZ 2101 is a copy of Fiat 124

                A copy, with improvements (that is, the definition of "clone" is no longer suitable, changed, albeit not significantly generic signs).
              3. svp67
                svp67 16 June 2013 17: 47 New
                0
                Quote: Akim
                Because it is at 100% (except for radio stations) - they repeated the "American"

                Not true, there were other engines on the Tu4 - already 100% fails ...
            3. bask
              bask 15 June 2013 09: 47 New
              0
              Quote: Corsair
              It is necessary to carry on legal or NOT legal copying (cloning)

              You can copy the technique. But it is also necessary to produce based on their own technologies in production. What is not always possible, even China ((for example, AL-31FN Su-27 engines))), could not copy (clone).
  • Strashila
    Strashila 15 June 2013 07: 44 New
    0
    Well done, as always, they consider their money. The clone cannon, therefore, can lead not only shells, but also ATGM systems ... again standardization, they bring the guns of tanks and as a result of ammunition to one caliber. It will probably be difficult for them to deal with tanks (again which tank and whose power), but with the rest of the armored vehicles ... easy.
  • uzer 13
    uzer 13 15 June 2013 09: 38 New
    +1
    The tank has a reliable chassis and power plant and is quite suitable for solving many combat missions. In case of war, it can be used as a tank to break through the enemy’s defense, given the mass and low cost of these vehicles. Given the inevitability of losses, it’s better to sacrifice inexpensive tanks and save more advanced ones for further Combat operations: With the proper organization of hostilities, the upgraded and better defended type 59 can be an unpleasant surprise for the adversary.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 15 June 2013 10: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: uzer 13
      Given the inevitability of losses, it is better to sacrifice low-cost tanks and keep more perfect for further military operations.

      But in ironPEOPLE.
      1. uzer 13
        uzer 13 15 June 2013 16: 52 New
        0
        Then it is necessary to put officials in armored Mercedes in the forefront. I hope that no one considers them people. Let them serve the people not in words, but in deeds.
  • kirgudu
    kirgudu 15 June 2013 10: 18 New
    +2
    With Chinese civilization, not everything is so clear. Let's say there is still no clear logical explanation why some of the loopholes of the Great Wall of China are directed at China, and not at its enemies.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 15 June 2013 10: 34 New
    0
    The design idea of ​​the Chinese in a stupor. in appearance as plywood sheathed. Or maybe sheathed plywood and painted. laughing
    1. Akim
      Akim 15 June 2013 10: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: ed65b
      . looking like plywood sheathed

      This is a Chinese DZ. And the view ... For example, I like him more than the Pakistani Al Zarrar (also based on the T-59).
  • Diviz
    Diviz 15 June 2013 11: 11 New
    0
    the best foreign developments connect and get a transformer grandmother. and wait for new developments to appear.
  • 128mgb
    128mgb 15 June 2013 14: 21 New
    -1
    And why are the balconies on the tower? Or is it an advanced radar?
  • Alexander D.
    Alexander D. 15 June 2013 15: 03 New
    +1
    In terms of modernization, the Chinese are ahead of the rest with the Jews. For lack of their well-established tank school, they trained for quite a long time and successfully to upgrade old tanks of different manufacturers. And how trained began to develop their Type-96 and Type-99.
    It’s another matter that they don’t have their own engine building, but without it, now it’s so hard to come up with new cars.
  • askkasko
    askkasko 15 June 2013 17: 23 New
    0
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  • Algor73
    Algor73 16 June 2013 10: 17 New
    0
    China does NOT utilize its tanks, it will modernize them. Let it turn out not at the highest technical level, but it will fulfill its functions. Where necessary - there are newer tanks, and where not, for stripping - and these will go. China is steadily building up its power in all areas, and you cannot say that its designs are poor, some, even if using foreign components and assemblies, are superior to their analogues - parents. And what is a tank school? The Soviet Union also began from scratch in the twenties, also with the purchase of foreign equipment. China is lucky, he started later, with more developed models and he does not really value the reputation of a gentleman.
  • Svyatoslav72
    Svyatoslav72 16 June 2013 11: 08 New
    -1
    We will respond to the Chinese fake T-54 by upgrading the T-72 under the new T-99 +++ index.)))
  • trenkkvaz
    trenkkvaz 16 June 2013 17: 33 New
    0
    Quote: GIPMOL

    No, then came the lights of the ANGLOSAX democracy, and gave China the morphine as a gift. After that, the oldest one started having problems, so for now they turn on the scanner, but for now they can't come up with another "gunpowder"

    Yeah, gunpowder more than a thousand years ago, and the Anglo-Saxons morphine began to give them a couple of hundred years ago. And what was in this interval? Have you had any problems? And what kind of country is this if it can be easily morphine lime. This means a weak country. Why could the British, for example, not be able to undermine the French with morphine, or any other European nation? smile
  • tsiter
    tsiter 16 June 2013 19: 11 New
    -2
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  • tomket
    tomket 16 June 2013 23: 54 New
    0
    the 54-55 family needs to be modernized like the Israeli magicians 7x, quite successful machines for low-intensity conflicts, and counterguerrilla or as a means of anti-terror.