China has once again upgraded a clone of the Soviet T-54

Despite the fact that Chinese industry continues to supply the armed forces with the latest modifications tanks Type 96 and Type 99, the most massive tank of the Chinese army continues to be the medium Type 59. This vehicle is the development of a licensed version of the still Soviet T-54.

New upgrade Type 59

Therefore, it is not surprising that the Chinese are constantly modernizing old tanks. Even today, Yury Lyamin, a well-known expert in the Chinese Armed Forces, posted a new version of the 2004 Type on the forum of the website "The Valor 59".

This machine has a reinforced armament, in the form of an 125-mm cannon, which is a clone of the Soviet T-72 tank gun. The front of the tower is reinforced with multi-layer armor modules, and anti-cumulative screens are installed around the perimeter that are able to neutralize the actions of anti-tank grenades of the old types.

Tanzanian version of modernization Type 59 may have turned out to be too expensive for the Chinese army

Earlier, China modernized the 59 Type of the Tanzanian army, but, according to Yury Lyamin, it seems like modernization, as for Tanzania, they considered it too expensive for themselves, and made it a cheaper and simpler option.

At present, there is no certainty as to how massive such an upgrade is, perhaps it still exists only in the form of a single prototype.

Comments

[Edward72]

Like an ancient civilization, gunpowder was invented. And then they turned on the scanner.

[tronin.maxim]

Quote: Edward72

Like an ancient civilization, gunpowder was invented.

China, like us, was shocked by the events that caused a lot of things; they also had stagnation. Now the time is turbulent, it is necessary to catch up with the developed countries, especially in the military sense, while they naturally run after others forward. Given the fact that money has appeared are developing in all directions, even space!

[Gipmol]

Quote: Edward72

Like an ancient civilization, gunpowder was invented. And then they turned on the scanner.

No, then the angles of democracy ANGLOSAX came, and gave China a gift of morphine, and after that the ancient one started having problems, so for now they turn on the scanner, but for now they cannot come up with another "gunpowder"

[itr]

They do the right thing
In 20 years they will do their job
An example of our AvtoVAZ for 20 years, three miscarriages but our own development
Reason for your pride

[ed65b]

There is simply a place unlucky.

[omsbon]

Quote: itr

Reason for your pride

I don’t understand. Do you live in another country? Divide pride into two camps: yours and ours?

[elmi]

Quote: Edward72

Like an ancient civilization, gunpowder was invented. And then they turned on the scanner.

I can imagine how they are looking forward to the release of our armata, they will not be stingy even to buy a batch of tanks in large quantities for copying to avert their eyes. But how simple it is - you don’t need to maintain your design bureau, just buy the best developments from all countries and copy

[cartridge]

Give each Chinese a personal tank!
You will never collect them together for a war, and a barrel of Russian oil will be sold for $ 500!

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: cartridge

Give each Chinese a personal tank!

In fact, this will not hurt China, in China the two armies are professional and well-equipped, but not as numerous as the meat coming in the forefront, and modernized tanks, though not new, will still work. 10 t-55 will tear one modern tank)

[Tartary]

Quote: Edward72

Like an ancient civilization, gunpowder was invented. And then they turned on the scanner.

About gunpowder is a simple self-promotion of the Middle Ages ...)))

Such a discovery (!) Just then had to advance China to the first line of great, if not the only superpower ...

Question: - why didn’t this happen ????????????

[Avenger711]

Because the Chinese are not Europeans. Settled and do not care for them not the rest of the world. Therefore, fairy tales about Chinese Siberia are just fairy tales. They will never trample there, because it’s cold there, it was only a white man who, within 200 years from the Volga, could reach Kamchatsky.

[Setrac]

Quote: Tartary

Question: - why didn’t this happen ????????????

Because the Chinese did not invent any gunpowder.

[AdAAkRuSS]

Quote: Setrac

Quote: Tartary

Question: - why didn’t this happen ????????????

Because the Chinese did not invent any gunpowder.

They probably copied the gunpowder: =)

[Tao]

China has never invented anything, the wrong mentality. However, since ancient times they have been the guardians of knowledge accumulated by others. Actually Gunpowder was still known in the ancient Sumera, more than 5000 years ago

[KononAV]

There is an opinion that the oldest history of China was written in the century 17 18 so it is not a fact that gunpowder and not a fact that they invented

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Let them copy! it will be worse if they start to create themselves ..

[bask]

Quote: MIKHAN

copy! it will be worse if they start to create

They are already creating Type-99, an in-house development of the Chinese.

[Akim]

Quote: bask

Type-99, own development of the Chinese.

There is little of its own. AZ and guns are copies of Soviet developments. Chassis is the development of the Ural school. That's when they create something fundamentally new ...
Amendment to the article. The Chinese received the T-54 honestly from the USSR - therefore this is not a clone. They started cloning with the T-62.

[bask]

Quote: Akim

That's when they create something fundamentally new ...

School, Ural, who argues but a tank of their own design.
So it can be said about almost any modern tank. ,, Merkava-4,, uses the T-34 suspension scheme and the Rheinmetall gun ,,,.
About the Type-96 tank, one could also say that it was a T-72 clone.

[Akim]

Quote: bask

Merkava-4, uses the T-34 suspension scheme

I did not know that Merkava was using Christie's suspension. About the ZTZ-99. What is there besides the tower and its building?

[bask]

Quote: Akim

Merkava uses Christie's pendant.

Do carrots have a spring pendant, Christie ???

Quote: Akim

. About the ZTZ-99. What is there besides the tower and its building

Engine: diesel MB871ka501, liquid-cooled turbocharged with 1500 hp Own OMS.
The 99 type is no longer a T-72 clone, but a purely Chinese development using nodes and guns from the T-72.

[Akim]

Quote: bask

IP 99 is not a T-72 clone,

I did not say that it is a clone. This is a hodgepodge. Engine - German SLA - French (from Al-Khalid) _KUV - Soviet / Ukrainian. The other part is Soviet / Russian. This is not an independent car. Although, it is better than the T-90A and T-80UD.

[bask]

Quote: Akim

. This is a hodgepodge.

Solyanka -I agree. But its own Chinese.
What technologies are available, such Chinese use and recycle, under their Chinese production.

Quote: Akim

o not a stand alone machine. Although, it is better than the T-90A and T-80UD.

And the Chinese BMP VN11 export version of the WZ502, a clone ((offspring)) of the Russian BMP-3, is also better than the original.

[Alexander D.]

Quote: Akim

Quote: bask

IP 99 is not a T-72 clone,

I did not say that it is a clone. This is a hodgepodge. Engine - German SLA - French (from Al-Khalid) _KUV - Soviet / Ukrainian. The other part is Soviet / Russian. This is not an independent car. Although, it is better than the T-90A and T-80UD.

Dear Akim, it is now almost impossible to develop a new type of suspension for the tank. They have already been developed and created so much that what not to think up, she will surely repeat someone else's development. The same goes for the general layout of tanks. Now all new tank manufacturers are trying to conclude contracts for the licensed production of individual tank components, which they consider the most suitable for them. The Type-99 development is Chinese, but using separate components and assemblies from different manufacturers (licensed or not, this is another matter).

[svp67]

Quote: bask

Quote: Akim

Merkava uses Christie's pendant.

Do carrots have a spring pendant, Christie ???

Quote: Akim

. About the ZTZ-99. What is there besides the tower and its building

Engine: diesel MB871ka501, liquid-cooled turbocharged with 1500 hp Own OMS.
The 99 type is no longer a T-72 clone, but a purely Chinese development using nodes and guns from the T-72.

They overdid something with the suspension - it seems they decided to reduce its cost ...

[Saburov]

Are you tankers or at least an urgent one served in an armored vehicle? What kind of manners to talk about tanks without even feeling the equipment, I happened to finish the CHELYABINSK HIGH TANK TEAM SCHOOL, I took part at the beginning of the 80x, there was a case, as for the Chinese tanks, the first armor hu ... that is porous, the cross-sections of the tower seams are welded so , you can split the tower upon a successful hit, this also applies to copies of Soviet and your own designs, well, there will not be more than one sensible country selling the methodology and production of armor steel, on which you can earn millions, especially since this experience has been accumulating for decades and participation in armed conflicts, no one will sell this experience, he himself served on a T-72 (bug) did not arrive, but the car is reliable and simple, with the RPG-29 it withstood three hits, although it got a light shell shock, it was broken under the shoulder strap, but they got their own way and scolded our tanks in vain, they haven’t done better yet for battle machines and what kind of video they’re distributing, as if our tanks are explosive at the same time, and the same photos and videos have been seen in my career, I only saw ammunition twice tank burns, once when there were 8 hits in 80, with only eight broke out, was like a sieve, and the second when a land mine truck and flew straight into the hole grenade flew when conscripts left the car.

[Akim]

Quote: Saburov

Are you tankers or at least an urgent one served in an armored vehicle? What kind of manners to talk about tanks without even feeling technology

I was a rabbi in a mechanized brigade. I’m familiar with third generation tanks. With T-55 NO.

[cyclist]

What kind of manners to talk about tanks without even feeling technology

How long have you been feeling Chinese equipment?

more than one sensible country to sell armored steel methodology and production, on which you can earn millions

Russia, with the collapse of the USSR, has long been an unhealthy country, everything is being sold effectively by managers
I don’t want to argue, but I think that I can fire my tanks at the training ground and study China’s actions

[Pimply]

Merkava has Vickers, like the vast majority of Western tracked vehicles.

[Corsair]

Quote: Akim

T-54 Chinese received honestly from the USSR - therefore, this is not a clone. They started cloning with the T-62.

Cloning is a synonym for copying any objects. In some areas, it has specific meanings ...

[Akim]

Quote: Corsair

Cloning is a synonym for copying any objects

Copying is 100% repetition of the original, but they received documentation on the T-54. Those. released under license, like Poland and Czechoslovakia.

[bask]

Quote: Akim

Copying is 100% repetition of the original

What Type 99 repeats 100% MBT T-72 ???
Clone in the Encyclopedic Dictionary:
Clone - (from Greek. Klon - branch - offspring), a population of cells or organisms that descended from a common ancestor by asexual reproduction.
Maybe the word ,, clone ,, and comes to the Chinese tank, like ((offspring T-72))

[Akim]

Quote: bask

What Type 99 repeats 100% MBT T-72 ???

And I tried to say that clone и copy - these are different things.

[Corsair]

Quote: Akim

And I tried to say that a clone and a copy are two different things.

From Wikipedia:Cloning (eng. Cloning from other Greek. Κλών - "twig, shoot, offspring") - in the most general sense - exact reproduction of any object any required number of times. Objects resulting from cloning (each individually and their entirety) are called a clone.
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[Corsair]

Quote: Akim

Copying is 100% repetition of the original, but they received documentation on the T-54. Those. released under license, like Poland and Czechoslovakia.

Then we need to talk about legal or NOT legal copying (cloning)

[Akim]

Quote: Corsair

Then we need to talk about legal or NOT legal copying (cloning)

Tu-4 is a clone of B-29? No - it's a copy (albeit not a legal one). Because it is 100% (except for radio stations) - they repeated "American". If we translate into the automotive theme: VAZ 2101 is a copy of Fiat 124, and Cheri QQ is a Daewoo Matiz clone.

[Corsair]

Quote: Akim

Quote: Corsair

Then we need to talk about legal or NOT legal copying (cloning)

Tu-4 is a clone of B-29? No - it's a copy (albeit not a legal one). Because it is 100% (except for radio stations) - they repeated "American". If we translate into the automotive theme: VAZ 2101 is a copy of Fiat 124, and Cheri QQ is a Daewoo Matiz clone.

You go to ..... Wikipedia!

[Akim]

Quote: Corsair

You go to ..... Wikipedia!

This is a "VERY" reliable source.

[Corsair]

Quote: Akim

This is a "VERY" reliable source.

In this case, the definition is formulated accurately (checked in several independent sources) and is trustworthy.
Although, of course, not a monograph of the Nobel laureate What for GENERAL understanding of the subject in other matters and enough.

[Akim]

Quote: Corsair

In this case, the definition is formulated precisely (

Ok so let it be. I give up. But still, this does not change my amendment to the topic

China has once again upgraded a clone of the Soviet T-54

T-59 is not a clone!

[Corsair]

Quote: Akim

Ok so let it be. I give up. But still, this does not change my amendment to the topic

Непобедимый

[Corsair]

Quote: Akim

VAZ 2101 is a copy of Fiat 124

A copy, with modifications (that is, the definition of "clone" is no longer suitable - changed, albeit not significantly generic).

[svp67]

Quote: Akim

Because she is 100% (except for radio stations) - they repeated "American"

Not true, there were other engines on the Tu4 - already 100% fails ...

[bask]

Quote: Corsair

It is necessary to carry on legal or NOT legal copying (cloning)

You can copy the technique. But it is also necessary to produce based on their own technologies in production. What is not always possible, even China ((for example, AL-31FN Su-27 engines))), could not copy (clone).

[Strashila]

Well done, as always, they consider their money. The clone cannon, therefore, can lead not only shells, but also ATGM systems ... again standardization, they bring the guns of tanks and as a result of ammunition to one caliber. It will probably be difficult for them to deal with tanks (again which tank and whose power), but with the rest of the armored vehicles ... easy.

[Uzer 13.]

The tank has a reliable chassis and power plant and is quite suitable for solving many combat missions. In case of war, it can be used as a tank to break through the enemy’s defense, given the mass and low cost of these vehicles. Given the inevitability of losses, it’s better to sacrifice inexpensive tanks and save more advanced ones for further Combat operations: With the proper organization of hostilities, the upgraded and better defended type 59 can be an unpleasant surprise for the adversary.

[Corsair]

Quote: uzer 13

Given the inevitability of losses, it is better to sacrifice low-cost tanks and keep more perfect for further military operations.

But in ironPEOPLE...

[Uzer 13.]

Then it is necessary to put officials in armored Mercedes in the forefront. I hope that no one considers them people. Let them serve the people not in words, but in deeds.

[kirgudu]

With Chinese civilization, not everything is so clear. Let's say there is still no clear logical explanation why some of the loopholes of the Great Wall of China are directed at China, and not at its enemies.

[ed65b]

The design idea of ​​the Chinese in a stupor. in appearance as plywood sheathed. Or maybe sheathed plywood and painted.

[Akim]

Quote: ed65b

. looking like plywood sheathed

This is the Chinese DZ. And the view ... For example, I like it more than the Pakistani "Al Zarrar" (also based on the T-59).

[Diviz]

the best foreign developments connect and get a transformer grandmother. and wait for new developments to appear.

[128mgb]

And why are the balconies on the tower? Or is it an advanced radar?

[Alexander D.]

In terms of modernization, the Chinese are ahead of the rest with the Jews. For lack of their well-established tank school, they trained for quite a long time and successfully to upgrade old tanks of different manufacturers. And how trained began to develop their Type-96 and Type-99.
It’s another matter that they don’t have their own engine building, but without it, now it’s so hard to come up with new cars.

[Askkasko.]

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[Algor73]

China does NOT utilize its tanks, it will modernize them. Let it turn out not at the highest technical level, but it will fulfill its functions. Where necessary - there are newer tanks, and where not, for stripping - and these will go. China is steadily building up its power in all areas, and you cannot say that its designs are poor, some, even if using foreign components and assemblies, are superior to their analogues - parents. And what is a tank school? The Soviet Union also began from scratch in the twenties, also with the purchase of foreign equipment. China is lucky, he started later, with more developed models and he does not really value the reputation of a gentleman.

[Svyatoslav72]

We will respond to the Chinese fake T-54 by upgrading the T-72 under the new T-99 +++ index.)))

[trenkkvaz]

Quote: GIPMOL

No, then the angles of democracy ANGLOSAX came, and gave China a gift of morphine, and after that the ancient one started having problems, so for now they turn on the scanner, but for now they cannot come up with another "gunpowder"

Yeah, gunpowder more than a thousand years ago, and the Anglo-Saxons morphine began to give them a couple of hundred years ago. And what was in this interval? Have you had any problems? And what kind of country is this if it can be easily morphine lime. This means a weak country. Why could the British, for example, not be able to undermine the French with morphine, or any other European nation?

[tsiter]

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[tomket]

the 54-55 family needs to be modernized like the Israeli magicians 7x, quite successful machines for low-intensity conflicts, and counterguerrilla or as a means of anti-terror.