PAK FA surprised creators

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In Zhukovsky near Moscow, one of the stages of testing the T-50 multi-role fighter, the elements of which are being developed by organizations of the Rostec state corporation, was completed.

The Russian 5-generation aircraft not only surpassed its foreign counterparts in its parameters, but also showed characteristics that exceeded the developers' expectations, according to a press release from the state corporation.

Perspective aviation the T-50 front-line aviation complex is an aircraft capable of performing any task intended for both a fighter and an attack aircraft and a bomber. The fifth generation fighter is invisible to enemy radars, has a speed of more than 2500 km / h and has artificial intelligence. The aircraft is able to perform complex operations that were previously impossible without pilot intervention.

The PAK FA performed demonstration flights and demonstrated aerobatics. According to testers, the machine does a lot on its own, which makes it easier for the pilot. For example, if you let go of the handle on takeoff, the plane itself will switch to horizontal flight mode. Even in the case when the pilot is not able to fly a fighter, the T-50 is able to return to its home base and land.

The T-50 has an automatic target recognition system. Special transceiver elements are built into the casing of the PAK-FA, thanks to which the aircraft reacts to all objects around it and transmits signals to the pilot about the threat.

The main structural elements of the fighter are manufactured by Rostec enterprises. The power plant is being developed by designers of the United Engine Corporation. Lantern cockpit and trim make specialists holding "RT-Chemcomposite." Avionics and avionics that meet the requirements of the fifth generation aircraft are created in the “Radio-electronic technologies” concern.

Most of the characteristics of the fighter kept secret. The only thing that is claimed by the designers, many of the parameters of the PAK-FA are superior to the American fifth-generation Raptor F-22 aircraft. The speed of the Russian aircraft is more on 500 km / h, the weight of the structure is less, and the duration of the flight is much higher. In addition, the T-50 is more maneuverable than the American fighter.

During the secret tests, the T-50 made more than 500 sorties. The developers claim that the first stage of testing was successful. The complex of the fifth generation T-50 plan to start mass production in 2015 year.
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  1. jungler
    +4
    14 June 2013 10: 44
    Yes. Apparently a good car. Unclear lope costs? those. what will the taxpayer cost? And how much will the army be able to order?
    1. +20
      14 June 2013 11: 02
      PAK FA surprised creators


      It remains to surprise the NATO Air Force. Not in their favor of course.
      1. +2
        14 June 2013 11: 06
        Quote: Orel
        It remains to surprise the NATO Air Force. Not in their favor of course.

        They have a nervous tick, and their hands are shaking, probably. Not to surprise them.
        1. +37
          14 June 2013 11: 29
          According to the footage that Channel One and Vesti showed, how the T-50 flies, amers and NATO members will definitely have a nervous tic. Not a single plane in the world is capable of this.
          1. Sergh
            +20
            14 June 2013 13: 06
            Quote: berserk1967
            Channel One and Vesti, how it flies

            Well, ours are able to fly ...

            1. +19
              14 June 2013 16: 19
              Quote: Sergh
              Well, ours are able to fly ...

              Yes, handsome)
            2. VAF
              VAF
              0
              14 June 2013 17: 58
              Quote: Sergh
              Well, ours are able to fly ...


              Seryoga, hello! Well amers the same .. not with a finger did! wink

              1. escobar
                +5
                14 June 2013 19: 14
                With the worst glider, amers go on a super engine. If you consider that the serial production of f22 began in 2001, this breakthrough deserves respect.
                1. VAF
                  VAF
                  +5
                  14 June 2013 20: 06
                  Quote: escobar
                  With the worst glider


                  It is debatable of course .. if you take it in the complex as an airplane, and not just .. aerodynamic blowdowns! +! wink

                  Quote: escobar
                  on the super engine


                  The same is controversial, since I like our "motor" more, but if "the second stage will also be given birth" .. then there will be a song!

                  Quote: escobar
                  .If you consider that the serial production of f22 began in 2001, this breakthrough deserves respect.


                  Here is just +! drinks
                2. Containers
                  +1
                  15 June 2013 09: 56
                  I would say that not on the engine, but on avionics and electronic components. The engine there is not something super-outgoing.
              2. +10
                14 June 2013 21: 19
                That's better
              3. +3
                19 June 2013 16: 07
                It seemed to me that the rapper needed a lot of speed to perform the same figures, ours almost freezes and turns around in place, which indicates better maneuverability.
            3. silent75
              +3
              14 June 2013 23: 40
              Insanely beautiful, I would say - grandiose! Mesmerizing!
            4. 0
              18 June 2013 11: 42
              what kind of fountains from time to time?
          2. +4
            14 June 2013 15: 08
            Quote: berserk1967
            as the T-50 flies, amers and NATO members will definitely have a nervous tick. Not one aircraft in the world is capable of this.

            So, not only from the T-50, but also from the SU-37 and Su-35, they, too, are nervous, it will happen too.
          3. +4
            14 June 2013 16: 22
            Quote: berserk1967
            According to the footage that Channel One and Vesti showed, how the T-50 flies, amers and NATO members will definitely have a nervous tic. Not a single plane in the world is capable of this.

            I don’t know, it seems to me that it is slightly inferior to the Su-35 in terms of maneuverability.
          4. VAF
            VAF
            +2
            14 June 2013 17: 31
            Quote: berserk1967
            According to the shots that were shown by Channel One and Vesti, how the T-50 flies,


            Watch more often ... and also Polygon, Star ... and Chapman ... generally will be ..super !!! wassat

            Quote: berserk1967
            amers and NATO members will definitely have a nervous tick


            From what ... from the fact that ours only after 20 years (!!!) came to this ??? request

            Quote: berserk1967
            Not one aircraft in the world is capable of this.


            Never say never!!! Especially if neither ....... you know! soldier

            1. +4
              14 June 2013 18: 05
              And the truth is ridiculous: Not a single aircraft in the world is capable of this ??
            2. Avenger711
              -7
              14 June 2013 18: 05
              Which is experimental.
            3. +1
              14 June 2013 18: 15
              Quote: vaf
              Especially if neither ....... you know!

              Hello Seryozha. You are right as always. good
              Most of the characteristics of the fighter kept secret. The only thing that is claimed by the designers, many of the parameters of the PAK-FA are superior to the American fifth-generation Raptor F-22 aircraft. The speed of the Russian aircraft is more on 500 km / h, the weight of the structure is less, and the duration of the flight is much higher. In addition, the T-50 is more maneuverable than the American fighter.

              In general, I think that the characteristics of F 22 (many) are the same as being classified.
              The only thing that is 100% known that it flies is mass-produced and has been relatively long.
              But this is the best in the world, which has no analogues, has not yet been surpassed ---- but for some reason has not yet been released, not shown or not tested. How we love to share the skin of a dead bear.
              1. Constantine
                +29
                14 June 2013 19: 18
                Quote: atalef
                mass-produced and for a relatively long time.


                No longer

                Quote: atalef
                what is he flying


                Yes, but with restrictions on speed, distance from airfields and altitude, due to the imperfection of some systems.

                And further. No matter what anyone says, but the Russian military equipment is one of the most advanced and perfect, and if it is "the best in the world" and "has no analogues" it will somehow positively affect pride in one's own, love for one's own, and not for foreign, then let it be molded in every video and article. It makes me neither cold nor hot, but as long as ordinary people will take it for the necessary feelings - I do not mind. As well as any person who is not indifferent to the country.
                1. +8
                  14 June 2013 21: 35
                  I am pleased to read your posts, I remember your super-logical arguments about the "breakthroughs" in the design of the F-35.
                  1. Constantine
                    +4
                    14 June 2013 22: 21
                    Thanks It's nice )
              2. ed65b
                +5
                14 June 2013 23: 08
                You’ll deal with the mercans there, and we’re here somehow. And what is so secret in jealousy?
            4. +22
              14 June 2013 18: 47
              Quote: vaf
              Watch more often ... and also Polygon, Star ... and Chapman ... generally will be ..super !!! wassat

              Well, how can I say, all the authorities make such a PR, in the USA it is put on stream, why not ours do so? Even f-22 and f-35 were sucked in films and games.
              Of course, we ourselves must have our heads on our shoulders, but we have something to be proud of.

              Quote: vaf
              From what ... from the fact that ours only after 20 years (!!!) came to this ??? request

              We do not have printing presses, alas, what you wanted after the collapse of the Union when everything was cut back, then it wasn’t before that, many interesting projects were frozen or even closed, only in the 2000s things got off the ground.
              The USSR would not have collapsed, even the 2000 would have been an airplane, but these are only thoughts.
              hi
              1. VAF
                VAF
                +18
                14 June 2013 21: 02
                Quote: Phantom Revolution
                Well, how can I say, all the authorities make such a PR, in the USA it is put on stream, why not ours do so?


                Damn ... I wrote you such an answer that ... I really liked it myself ... but alas ... I don’t let it go ... it’s too long, but returned to the Main page, and the post disappeared .. therefore only theses:

                1. PR is definitely needed, but not the same as from our "air specials from the media."
                2. If you don’t know how, let them take 5-day interview of Poghosyan .. there’s everything there, though. Not everything, okay I’ll add:

                - With G max. (G fuel + weight-size mock-ups of weapons in the internal compartments), the takeoff mode of the MFR engines is fixed L takeoff only 410 meters !!! fellow

                - The cruising mode of supersonic flight was recorded at V east +2 135 km / h. fellow

                - Fixed maximum speed V East = 2 610 km / h. (There was still a margin wink ) fellow

                - A practical ceiling has been reached (not dynamic or static, well, and even more so evolutionary, but PRACTICAL) = 24 meters (could have been more, but ... wink ) fellow

                Now you can and fellow , because it’s not even for a knowledgeable person, but looking at a comparison table with a Penguin and Khryapa, then ... extreme and ..n’t standing next to it!
                Moreover, that on the T-50 is still the engines of the first stage!

                And I "got pissed off" because of the "squeak and squeal" .. unintelligent ones .. who are most important ... but hell knows what is important for them !!! request

                Well, for them .. for the indiscreet in the first few weeks I’m getting into the news .. I’m showing the film ... but I haven’t seen it, nobody is doing it, everything’s working ... sya and uss..sya ... kindergarten .. soft it is said!

                Khryapa performs the whole complex of aerobatics, all the figures from minimum evolutionary speeds and maximum angles of attack to our figures-Cobra, Chakra, Kulbit, Hook !!!
                It makes it easy and ... relaxed and even a little controlled flat corkscrew (why a little, because ... the heights are not enough, because after all the show)!

                1. Avenger711
                  +1
                  15 June 2013 01: 04
                  Can I link to the interview?
                  Regarding a flat corkscrew, there was an analysis in Paralai, a figure similar, but not him.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF
                    +3
                    15 June 2013 01: 20
                    Quote: Avenger711
                    a figure similar, but not him.


                    And he, a corkscrew on Khryapa, because it cannot be because of the design features of its engines (OVT nozzles) and their location, therefore the figure is called "double turn with a decrease!"

                    And look for the interview yourself. Poghosyan gave it to the ORT channel! hi
                    1. +2
                      15 June 2013 10: 42
                      Quote: vaf
                      Well, for them .. for the indiscreet in the first few weeks I’m getting into the news .. I’m showing the film ... but I haven’t seen it, nobody is doing it, everything’s working ... sya and uss..sya ... kindergarten .. soft it is said!


                      And about the f-22 and soo they shot the BBS program, they didn’t speak out in favor of the maneuverability of the f-22, maybe such a translation xs, the original did not look. Yes, and weaknesses, the Germans themselves on typhoons showed at f-22, the Americans themselves conducted a virtual battle if it is interesting not difficult to find. In short, if you find then there will be enough minuses, but again it’s too early to judge before the t-50 comes out of the series.
                2. 0
                  15 June 2013 10: 35
                  Quote: vaf
                  1. PR is definitely needed, but not the same as from our "air specials from the media."

                  This is called the upbringing of patriotism. Anyone who needs it will find an adequate assessment for themselves, there are all sorts of opinions on the network, although it is far-fetched, because only the developer can disclose them. And who needs entertainment and pathos, watch special channels.

                  Quote: vaf
                  2. If you don’t know how, let them take 5-day interview of Poghosyan .. there’s everything there, though. Not everything, okay I’ll add:

                  At the expense of "truth", it will not be revealed because the characteristics are real, either higher or lower, because it is a military secret. About the alleged characteristics, such videos are full and even with a grain of salt. For example.) I did not interrupt the entire Internet, you will want to find others.



                  about the hryaptor, well, how to say well done, but they are far from drying and instant, rather like the t-50 he also has alas lower maneuverability ... With music, if you want to find it again without music).

                3. +3
                  16 June 2013 00: 35
                  Quote: vaf
                  And I "got pissed off" because of the "squeak and squeal" .. unintelligent ones .. who are most important ... but hell knows what is important for them !!!

                  Well, right not in the eyebrow but in the eye.
                  Quote: vaf
                  Khryapa performs the whole complex of aerobatics, all the figures from minimum evolutionary speeds and maximum angles of attack to our figures-Cobra, Chakra, Kulbit, Hook !!!
                  Makes it easy and ... relaxed

                  Yes, he does, but questions arise easily and naturally.
                  Takeoff. It breaks away from the runway and then accelerates above it and then soars sharply. I'm certainly not an expert but ...
                  1. +1
                    19 June 2013 17: 05
                    It’s not even obvious to a specialist that Amer’s are doing it all hard, our people have an extremely short take-off and this agility and lightness is simply mesmerizing. When you see this, there is a healthy sense of pride in ours and it is believed that the patient is more likely to be alive than dead. And there has been a tendency for recovery. good
                  2. Containers
                    -1
                    20 June 2013 00: 57
                    There is 1/5 of the fuel - 15-20 minutes for "flying over the public" and without load. Ours can do "our" somersaults and under loading.
                4. Containers
                  0
                  20 June 2013 00: 55
                  I didn’t see Cobra.
          5. Capt.stryker
            -27
            14 June 2013 17: 47
            Quote: Mijgan
            They have a nervous tick, and their hands are shaking, probably.

            They have a nervous tic, horror and shock from the capabilities of the Rosian weapons only in the inflamed imagination of the Rosy propoganders.

            Quote: berserk1967
            According to the footage that Channel One and Vesti showed, how the T-50 flies, amers and NATO members will definitely have a nervous tic. Not a single plane in the world is capable of this.

            Well, what was shown there? banal flat corkscrew? With sober eyes, look again at what the "message" showed - NOTHING SPECIAL T-50 shows, well, unless only a flat corkscrew. The whole trick is only in the camera work of the photographer.

            By the way, in the video from the "Discovery" F-16 with UHT shows the same thing that no Soviet-Russian aircraft could show at that time, and it was almost 20 years ago!
            1. fedorovith
              0
              19 June 2013 21: 37
              And you see what shows French television, filmed by French cameramen.
            2. Containers
              0
              20 June 2013 01: 10
              You look less Discovery / NG / etc. which broadcast stories about. There they can tell you that DiCaprio iceberg overcame, and Dr. Goebbels was an ordinary botanist. About animals - you can watch.
              NF-16D MATV - First flight: 1993. (Does '93 not say anything? Well, what about our sausage, many of us rushed to the USA?)
              In the USSR, the UVT was implemented on the Yak-41M (aka Yak-141) in 1987. And this scheme, by the way, became the basis for the F-35 - the Americans simply "bought brains" then. True, there they crap in details, and got what they got, but this has nothing to do with the topic of the topic.
              "The whole trick is only in the camera work of the photographer" in the commercials for the F-22, I see just that. It seems like a bell, but somehow strange, etc ...
        2. Quiet
          0
          20 June 2013 12: 29
          They have a nervous tick, and their hands are shaking, probably. Not to surprise them.

          "Yes," "However," I read in anecdotes that with such pens and in such a state, you can't even think to satisfy yourself !!!! am laughing
        3. 101
          101
          0
          20 June 2013 23: 23
          How did you get ridiculed: Did you just return from NATO? So you know that the Chinese air forces care much more and they write and discuss about the Chinese generation 5 and they will notice us only when they have something to notice, and it’s a good place to occupy your opuses
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    3. Nikolko
      +1
      14 June 2013 11: 54
      Quote: jungler
      Yes. Apparently a good car. Unclear lope costs? those. what will the taxpayer cost? And how much will the army be able to order?

      For our Air Force, the price was not announced. And the Indians plan to buy at $ 100 million
      1. VAF
        VAF
        -2
        14 June 2013 16: 27
        Quote: Nikolko
        .A Indians plan to buy at $ 100 million


        At present, Indians are going to .... refuse to participate in the project !!!
        Slightly less.... fellow . will be more useful!
        1. Avenger711
          +13
          14 June 2013 18: 09
          http://www.google.ru/#newwindow=1&sclient=psy-ab&q=ПАК+ФА+Индия+отказывается&oq=
          PAK + FA + India + refuses & gs_l = hp.3 ... 3507.14042.0.14436.25.23.0.2.2.0.244.1553.
          22j0j1.23.0...0.0...1c.1.17.psy-ab.wtpN-rK6juQ&pbx=1&fp=1&biw=1633&bih=875&bav=o
          n.2, or.r_qf. & cad = b

          We read what it gives out. For example, http://www.vpknews.ru/news/15605 that is, the Indians rightly decided that since they cannot make a simple Tejas, then they can not start making an average fighter, not a word about refusing to work on the T-50 ... In general, as usual, any information from Vaf should be checked, and there will be many wonderful discoveries.
        2. Constantine
          +12
          14 June 2013 19: 22
          Quote: vaf
          At present, Indians are going to .... refuse to participate in the project !!!


          The fact that they want a T-50 with a tandem cockpit was information. What you have indicated - only pops up in your mind, or somewhere on the Ear of Moscow. Although, if you please pruflink for official statements to the studio, then .. it will be possible to discuss this.
          1. VAF
            VAF
            -4
            14 June 2013 21: 07
            Quote: Constantine
            What you have indicated - only pops up in your mind, or somewhere on the Ear of Moscow.


            When it seems better .. to baptize or something!

            Quote: Constantine
            Although, if you please pruflink on official statements to the studio


            Enjoy ... hi

            http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/paris-air-show/2013-06-13/indian-home-gro
            wn-amca-alternative-fgfa

            Quote: Constantine
            then .. you can discuss it.


            Do you have anything to do with aviation, aviation industry, aviation export? wink
            1. Constantine
              +17
              14 June 2013 21: 42
              1. Perhaps you did not understand the text correctly, but it says that Indian development will work on ground targets. In addition, they say that no one will give them technology, and Russian technologies are too much ahead of their own. Not a word that they are leaving the project is not there. + This is not an official statement, but rather a review of events and opinions.

              2.
              Quote: vaf
              Do you have anything to do with aviation, aviation industry, aviation export?

              This is a cheap show off. I have to do with venture and the high-tech market, but in any case, building a conversation like this is not worth it. You do not need to be an engineer in aviation to connect events and build a common picture. With such show-offs load youngsters in the yard. in this particular case, this does not in any way draw to that level of understanding, which should be an attribute of a professional. You didn’t even digest the text, but you have already begun to claim that green is, in fact, red.
              1. VAF
                VAF
                -7
                15 June 2013 00: 30
                Quote: Constantine
                I relate to venture and the high-tech market,


                Somewhere I realized that it is very far, but that would be so lol

                Dear, it is you who go with your Chubasik, Skolkovo, etc. "master" the grandmother under the "idea" and then soar the brains of people !!!

                Another venture specialist in .. on tanks and light bulbs!

                Please do not bother anymore! soldier
                1. Constantine
                  +10
                  15 June 2013 09: 55
                  Hanging stamps on people based on superficial judgments is an indication of a distant mind.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF
                    -2
                    15 June 2013 13: 40
                    Quote: Constantine
                    Hanging stamps on people based on superficial judgments is an indication of a distant mind.


                    Have you decided ... to criticize yourself? Or vice versa .. in your own eye do not see the log? Typical tactics of Bucket and "Na-na" theorists wassat

                    Your ... pearls:

                    1. What you have indicated - only pops up in your mind, or somewhere on the Ear of Moscow.

                    2. This is a cheap show off. With such show-offs load youngsters in the yard as in this particular case, this does not in any way draw to that level of understanding, which should be an attribute of a professional.

                    3. You didn’t even digest the text, but you have already begun to assert that green is, in fact, red.

                    4. To pretend that you are a guru is at least not correct.

                    5. You are a clown. If you keep track of events, it will be clear as a day. On the face of the substitution of concepts, the transition to stupid trolling. Cheap show-offs, camping, an integral part of you.

                    Well, since ... what about the WEST ???? wassat

                    In short, I repeat once again .. take your "kent" Prishtin'u and .. for a couple .... go bang your heads against the wall or the Maidan .. as you please !!!!
                    Here really ... clowns, in all its glory! laughing
                    1. Constantine
                      +8
                      15 June 2013 13: 53
                      1. They responded to you the same way you put yourself. You have abandoned with an intelligent appearance an article in which it is not at all the meaning that you attributed to it. It all started with that.

                      2. I pointed out to you your shortcomings, but you continued trolling on an increasing basis, subtly raising your knowledge over mine. At the same time, you do not even have a clue about my knowledge, as well as about my levels of access to all kinds of people and organizations.

                      3. If you dig even deeper, then your attitude to TsAGI, etc. can be brought under the simple truth from Goebels. If a lie is repeated many times, then it will become true. Can any of those present here 100% confirm that you are the one you impersonate? I doubt it.

                      4. Even taking into account the fact that I partially departed from correctness in communication, your level of dialogue is, to put it mildly, cattle, which does not add authority to you at all.

                      5. You are constantly trying to humiliate others for reasons known to you and for reasons completely incomprehensible. Call allegorically everyone, and exalt yourself, .. well, how to say. Rather, it is a kind of inferiority complex that is related to you in life outside the monitor. These are your problems, but pouring this bile on others is a stupid and ungrateful occupation. Again, this way you only discredit yourself. Normal and adequate people try to tactfully explain, rather than humiliate those who know less.

                      6. You do not 100% recognize what I said and will say since it is a barrier at the subconscious level. Recognizing that you are inadequate, rude and rude, you acknowledge that your words are water. Therefore, what you will continue to issue in this regard - I am not interested in. spend your time on you, if you are even unable to change your tone - do not respect yourself. It is much more reasonable, in this case, to simply ignore you. you’ve simply exhausted the meaning of the reaction to your attacks.
                      1. Constantine
                        +10
                        15 June 2013 14: 12
                        Draining 940 points of karma, taking into account only 7 minuses in the comments - the course is certainly strong. The vulnerability of the subject's ego and its dependence on the Internet are immediately confirmed: DDD

                        How many bots do you need to be so cool minus in the profile, without leaving their opinion, and also cheat Vaf as much as Marshal? : D I think a lot.

                        Conclusion: Vaf is a soap bubble, behind which, with a high degree of probability, there are bots.

                        And now the last appeal to Vaf. You can minus me as much as you like. Beautiful numbers in the profile and shoulder straps mean absolutely nothing to me. To shut up in this way is just childish talk. )))
                      2. -4
                        15 June 2013 14: 16
                        Quote: Constantine
                        Draining 940 points of karma, taking into account only 7 minuses in the comments - the course is certainly strong. The vulnerability of the subject's ego and its dependence on the Internet are immediately confirmed: DDD

                        When you start to be rude, think about the consequences. This sink also contains my grain of sand hi I do not like it when they are rude, especially when it happens in relation to a worthy person ...
                        Quote: Constantine
                        Conclusion: Vaf is a soap bubble, behind which, with a high degree of probability, there are bots.

                        Conclusion: Constantine is an insulting, insignificant creature that no one is behind. Yes
                      3. Constantine
                        +6
                        15 June 2013 14: 24
                        Those. Are you claiming that there was no rudeness on the part of Waf? )))
                      4. -5
                        15 June 2013 14: 28
                        Quote: Constantine
                        Those. Are you claiming that there was no rudeness on the part of Waf? )))

                        I know the VAF for a long time and for a long time it was able to create the unquestioned authority of an aviation specialist on this site, when it is infuriated by Internet specialists, it can be a little straightforward, but it is justified in my opinion. I would also be a naughty brow who got me the phrase 2x2 = 5 hi
                      5. Constantine
                        +11
                        15 June 2013 18: 57
                        Do you even understand the reason for this dispute? The point was that the VAF said that India was leaving Pak Fa, gave a link to the article, but not a word about it in the article. It is generally polarized differently.

                        Here is the article: http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/paris-air-show/2013-06-13/indian-home-gro

                        wn-amca-alternative-fgfa

                        There is an excellent expression that the authority of truth must be put higher than the truth of authority. This was actually done. Apparently, pride was hurt, because it’s not a good idea to point a guru to mistakes.

                        In any case, this is not getting the phrase 2x2 = 5, but an indication that the answer is rather 4 and there is an error.

                        With a nondisclosure agreement, in the case of the T-50, I absolutely agree with one of the commentators. Whatever circles you have entered, draining the specifics of the project, even to an old friend - treason and violation of the subscription. Nobody knows who, to whom and what can drain, if someone competently puts pressure on the pain points. Hence my conclusion that there can be no exclusive information in the VAF that is not available to ordinary people. Even ordinary pilots, next to the T-50, did not stand, and those who flew on it kept their mouths shut. This was followed by an opus about coolness and access to TsAGI, etc. Either this is an attempt to recoup at the expense of authority, or it smells like a criminal article. I don't think that such a "professional" in verbal battles would have made a mistake and said too much in public.

                        Regarding the specialist to infuriate. I am a researcher and almost a candidate of science in the field of intellectual property and its commercialization. Based on this part of my activity, I communicate with many interesting people who are related to various interesting industries. There is a practice when specialists give lectures, share experiences, etc. But I keep myself in control and do not tell everyone who understands my topic worse than me that they are, and I am smart. This is a matter of professional ethics.

                        Regarding this statement:
                        Constantine - offended insignificant creature that no one stands

                        Someone is always behind everyone, however, to use a resource in an attack is not a thankful and righteous thing. Everyone should be responsible for their own words and defend themselves independently until the moment when the situation can become critical and the time has come, having pulled out trump cards and bring in heavy artillery. If you think otherwise, then it is your right, but I act as I see fit. If I do not consider it necessary to flaunt my connections, access levels and merit, then this means that I simply do not need it. The time when I did this has already passed.

                        So, understand the situation before making loud statements.
                      6. -6
                        15 June 2013 19: 02
                        Quote: Constantine
                        Do you even understand the reason for this dispute?

                        Forum users go to this thread to read about the plane, and not about who offended you and otminusovat winked
                        For clarification of relations with the opponent there is a PM hi
                        I didn’t like the fact that you began to be rude, that’s why I interjected, as well my comment was made so that you knew that not bots and clones minus you, but specific forum users, this is where I finish my educational activity smile
                      7. Constantine
                        +8
                        15 June 2013 19: 16
                        I do not deny that for everything that happens to me, in one form or another, I always bear responsibility, but I do not need to be made extreme. I hope you understand my position, as I do yours. On this and finish. hi
                      8. +6
                        18 June 2013 12: 18
                        I understand everything ... You protect your friend, but in this situation, Waf (with all due respect to him) is not right, and Konstantin, although he is excessively offended by Waf, is right that Waf is sometimes unjustly rude to his interlocutors and switches to personality. Well, about the article about the Indians, he is all the same right.
                      9. Containers
                        0
                        20 June 2013 01: 42
                        About the article about Indians, vaf is completely wrong. his statements have no confirmation in the text of the article.
                      10. Containers
                        0
                        20 June 2013 01: 39
                        vaf lied. did not admit a lie. war of karma began.
                      11. Containers
                        0
                        20 June 2013 01: 38
                        vaf lied. and is he a respected person? business ...
                        Konstantin looks an order, or even two, of a more adequate person.
                      12. VAF
                        VAF
                        -7
                        15 June 2013 14: 22
                        Quote: Constantine
                        How many bots do you need to be so cool minus in the profile, without leaving their opinion, and also cheat Vaf as much as Marshal? : D I think a lot.


                        That's what a job at Horns and Hooves does to people (that's a characteristic of your venture)!
                        What ... it hits hard on pride ... already foam has appeared. like a shampoo, for "minors" wassat

                        What to minus you .... to show that you are stupid? you don’t have to go that far .. the day before yesterday you tried to argue with Pupyrchaty and ... everything will become clear with you ..... they wanted to become a dove ... it didn’t work out ... be an eternal wet chicken!

                        And if the minus didn't mean anything to you, then you wouldn't even raise this ... "stink"!

                        So go better .. go for a ride on the ears somewhere else, well, or on another article ... "where the people grab everything" and maybe the money .. sponsors ... fuckers have not died out yet ..... you are our venture !!! wassat
                      13. +3
                        19 June 2013 18: 05
                        What to minus you .... to show that you are stupid? you don’t have to go that far .. the day before yesterday you tried to argue with Pupyrchaty and ... everything will become clear with you ..... they wanted to become a dove ... it didn’t work out ... be an eternal wet chicken!
                        It is simply amazing how much, an authoritative, knowledgeable person can turn out to be an antics and a boor. And people who are trying to expose "wafa" in this case, white and fluffy, would like to remind them of objectivity. hi
                      14. +2
                        15 June 2013 14: 23
                        minus you from me.
                        I explain:
                        1. You do not answer the questions of the Veteran.
                        2. you are hinting that only Mount Everest is cooler than you, without confirming it in any way.
                        3. you go to flood.

                        either start writing constructively, or request
                      15. Constantine
                        +7
                        15 June 2013 14: 25
                        Respond to outright trolling? Well, if you like to fight back when you are humiliated, then please. I do not subscribe to these things.
                      16. -4
                        15 June 2013 16: 42
                        Quote: Constantine
                        Respond to outright trolling?


                        And you write specific facts, and no one will troll you. You start to lower the person who is really in the subject. And it all boils down to "I don't believe", "provide a link" ... Visit the airbase, talk to the flyers, feel the plane, and then lower anyone as you like - you will have FACTS. And just like that la-la ...?
                      17. Constantine
                        +9
                        15 June 2013 18: 33
                        Read the article on the basis of which he made allegations that India is leaving the PAK FA project.
                      18. Constantine
                        +7
                        15 June 2013 19: 32
                        In my opinion, lowering was applicable to me. If you read the article, and then compared it with the opinion of my opponent, then you yourself would have understood what it was about. In other words, I didn’t affirm anything, but only thought, except for a single case, when I read an article, this article itself refuted the opinion based on it.

                        Quote: Botanologist
                        Visit the airbase, talk to the flyers, feel the plane, and then drop it down as you like - you will have FACTS. And just so la la ...?


                        And who, interestingly, will let me in to this air base, where there are prototype aircraft, whose characteristics are classified, and the level of technology used in them is available only to two countries? Are you laughing My thoughts regarding compliance with the rules on non-disclosure of data that affect the country's defense and treason, if disclosed, I shared above.
                      19. Avenger711
                        +6
                        15 June 2013 15: 00
                        I already caught him several times on information about which there is no information in the public domain. Closed for that and closed that only those who work on the project know. Obviously, one person even close to the aircraft cannot know what’s with the guns on the Ka-52, how the T-50 is tested, or anything else.

                        But there is such a peculiarity among those who stood nearby, unlike professionals, they think that they know everything, and every lousy sergeant thinks himself to be a general, although a civilian amateur may know even more than he, but he would never dare to point out to the generals.
                      20. -3
                        15 June 2013 16: 47
                        Quote: Avenger711
                        Obviously, one person even close to aviation cannot know what’s with the guns on the Ka-52, and how the T-50 tests go,


                        Pilots know about each aircraft that goes out of construction, and where it will be identified. And what is inside it. You do not forget - in our sad times, the plane became a piece piece ... crying
                        And if a professional, colleagues will tell him everything without open sources. After all, this is a common cause - defense capability. And here it is somehow inappropriate to wave the editorial from Pravda. The pilot should fly and shoot, and not watch from the ground "how the helicopter flew beautifully." There is a difference?

                        although a civilian lover may know even more than him,

                        when a civilian amateur flies a couple of times over MANPADS and hits the target, then let him reason. In the meantime, it's a chatter.
                      21. Avenger711
                        +7
                        15 June 2013 18: 31
                        Colleagues give non-disclosure subscriptions, and don’t need to know everything about everything here.
                      22. Avenger711
                        0
                        15 June 2013 15: 00
                        What about karma?
                      23. 0
                        15 June 2013 14: 20
                        Quote: Constantine
                        At the same time, you do not even have a clue about my knowledge, as well as about my levels of access to all kinds of people and organizations.


                        The concept of knowledge will be when you show them.

                        Quote: Constantine
                        Recognizing that you are inadequate, rude and rude, you acknowledge that your words are water.


                        Well, with the manipulations it's not here. This is real for Chubais.
                      24. +1
                        19 June 2013 17: 36

                        5. You are constantly trying to humiliate others for reasons known to you and for reasons completely incomprehensible. Call allegorically everyone, and exalt yourself, .. well, how to say. Rather, it is a kind of inferiority complex that is related to you in life outside the monitor. These are your problems, but pouring this bile on others is a stupid and ungrateful occupation. Again, this way you only discredit yourself. Normal and adequate people try to tactfully explain, rather than humiliate those who know less.
                        good good good
            2. Constantine
              +18
              14 June 2013 22: 18
              Do not misunderstand me. As regards this particular machine, you cannot have unique knowledge that accompanies the unique experience of communicating directly with the device. Everything that you know about Pak-Fa can be unambiguously known by any of the readers of this article. To boast that you are a guru is at least not correct.
              1. Prishtina
                +4
                15 June 2013 00: 05
                To boast that you are a guru is at least not correct.


                You're right. "Guru" was a bit mistaken by the forum, with all due respect to VO, here people are the subject of such projects as PAK FA "the cat cried." "guru" with his porridge in his head should try his luck on Paralay or Adventure ..., but I'm afraid the guy will be technically screwed into his ear and at the same time an informative list that he will process his brain OS for more than one week laughing
                1. VAF
                  VAF
                  -4
                  15 June 2013 00: 44
                  Quote: Prishtina
                  here people are the subject of projects such as PAK FA "the cat cried." "guru" with his porridge in his head should try his luck on Paralay or Adventure ..., but I'm afraid the guy will be technically screwed into his ear and at the same time an informative list that he will process his brain OS for more than one week


                  Another advisor ???? I will not even "get involved" ..... "blah blah blah"!
                  Himself no one to call ..... but there too ... a sting sawing! angry
                  1. +3
                    15 June 2013 00: 58
                    You don’t have the feeling that they’re deliberately dragging out with a fine-tuning in order to be able to export existing aircraft?
                    1. VAF
                      VAF
                      0
                      15 June 2013 01: 25
                      Quote: Spade
                      that they’re deliberately dragging


                      Here definitely not, because. the car is new. all the "bells and whistles" on it are new .. sea (one OT is worth it). therefore Khryapa on the M-2 and that's all .. he can't go further, but ours .. for a small Mach 3 didn't jump out!

                      Well, the fact that money is being pulled from the Indians ... so it always has been like this with us ... unfortunately! +! request
                      1. +1
                        15 June 2013 01: 35
                        Though it pleases.
                  2. Constantine
                    +1
                    15 June 2013 09: 57
                    Do you even understand that you yourself are discrediting such an attitude towards others? )))
              2. VAF
                VAF
                -4
                15 June 2013 00: 40
                Quote: Constantine
                As regards this particular machine, you cannot have unique knowledge that accompanies the unique experience of communicating directly with the device.


                It is only people associated with a scam, for the people named by the beautiful word "venture" can have such narrow thinking !!!

                And do not think about it. that I still go directly to the LII, the TsAGI, and the GNIKI ???

                Quote: Constantine
                unequivocally any of the readers of this article may know.


                Yeah .. I read it .... I have to go to stock up on toilet paper tomorrow, otherwise all the amers and NATO will urgently buy it from our market ... after all, there will not be enough from themselves .. so. all..obar ..... in the opinion of your "any readers" !! wassat

                Quote: Constantine
                To boast that you are a guru is at least not correct.


                Don't get it at all? If I know, it means I am proud ???? Dear .. something to you your "risky" projects completely clouded the brains ??? wassat

                Those. call me a fool, that's in the order of things. and when I take you in the same way ... it's .. lowering ... venture ideas and high technology wassat laughing out loud!
                1. Constantine
                  +4
                  15 June 2013 10: 00
                  You are a clown. If you keep track of events, it will be clear as a day. On the face of the substitution of concepts, the transition to stupid trolling. Cheap show-offs, camping, an integral part of you))
                2. 0
                  19 June 2013 13: 04
                  Hello, Sergey! hi Do not be offended by such a reaction of some members of the forum. It's just that some people perceive the list of shortcomings as criticism, and not as a reason to eliminate these shortcomings. Of course? ideal systems do not exist in nature, there are always pros and cons. The only pity is that usually everything that is being discussed is taken literally without adjustments for error. And for myself, as a mathematician-integrator, I have long concluded that what is "here and now" is true, and what has passed or will be is false. But it is always necessary to make plans and go to the goal purposefully, keeping the focus on the goal itself, but without harming those nearby.
                  And now I would like to quote the famous cartoon: - "Guys, let's live together." drinks
            3. Containers
              0
              20 June 2013 01: 33
              There is not a word about abandoning the T-50. There about "we will develop our own"
        3. +7
          14 June 2013 20: 47
          Quote: vaf
          Less .... fellow. It will be more useful!

          That's all you know

          As part of a campaign to increase the number of latrines in India, the mothers of Indian girls are demanding that suitors equip their future "family nest" with a normal toilet before wooing. The slogans "No toilet, no bride" appear in Indian villages.
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +9
            14 June 2013 21: 34
            Quote: Vadivak
            That's all you know


            And what to do Vadim wink .... someone needs soldier .. carry the rational, drinks and then such as the Avengers 711 and others in general all the brains of the people who still have them .. powder! wassat

    4. +1
      14 June 2013 11: 58
      Quote: jungler
      Yes. Apparently a good car. Unclear lope costs? those. what will the taxpayer cost? And how much will the army be able to order?

      Well, it’s not in vain that ours is developing this bird together with the Indians, and the costs are less and it will pay off in part .. It was surprising that the plane itself can return to base if the pilot was cut down, I don’t think that Western cars are capable of this ..
      1. 0
        14 June 2013 12: 09
        With the Indians, we are developing another unit for export.
      2. soldier's grandson
        +3
        14 June 2013 13: 12
        and the pilot can leave the plane and return to base independently
        1. +1
          14 June 2013 16: 30
          Quote: Soldier's grandson
          and the pilot can leave the plane and return to base independently

          Who can return to the base of the pilot?) What is this new such function?) laughing
          1. Avenger711
            +1
            14 June 2013 18: 10
            Kicking. Left, right.
            1. 0
              14 June 2013 21: 23
              Quote: Avenger711
              Kicking. Left, right.

              And waving his ears ....
      3. helix
        +7
        14 June 2013 15: 46
        This option (return to base) was implemented on the Ka-52 even earlier.
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +4
          14 June 2013 17: 52
          Quote: helix
          This option (return to base) was implemented on the Ka-52 even earlier.


          This, as you put it "option" was and is. implemented on all IA and IBA aircraft equipped with RSBN-6S!
          Return mode! Press the button + self-propelled guns and ..... on the KPM + two approach to 180g in the machine and on the glide path .. up to the alignment height (3-5 meters) !!!
          True Ore, the chassis and mechanization (wing and flaps) is on you! wink
      4. VAF
        VAF
        +2
        14 June 2013 16: 40
        Quote: DEfindER
        Well, it’s not in vain that our people are developing this bird together with the Indians, and the costs are less and they will pay off partially ..


        lol

        The fact that India is still continuing to develop AMCA suggests that New Delhi has some concerns about the FGFA. recourse



        Air Marshal Norman Anil Kumar Browne said that due to India’s late participation in the FGFA program, which is being developed on the basis of the Russian T-50 PAKFA fighter, it will be difficult to organize work in a proportion of 50/50. request

        There are also “some fears” regarding Russian technologies in certain areas. sad

        In particular, the T-50 prototype gliders are still characterized by a large proportion of metals, which reflects the “gaps and shortcomings” in the creation of composite materials (CM) by Sukhoi. request
        1. +9
          14 June 2013 17: 33
          That's for sure! The proportion of metals is large, especially parts made of single-crystal titanium. Amer remains to lick his lips. We deliver finished parts to civilians.
          1. VAF
            VAF
            0
            14 June 2013 17: 55
            Quote: unclevad
            For civil we supply them


            That's it...WE THEM.... a. to myself! lol I don’t ask about civilians .. you understand why, but what kind of military? wink
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        3. +6
          14 June 2013 19: 59
          dear waf -Hello !!! As always, you sow a reasonable, good eternal! But didn’t you correct the situation with composites but the T-50? they’ll go to the maximum (in the sense of composites and everything seems to be okay there) and about the fact that India went into refusal somehow didn’t slip (where did the firewood come from bully ) Please enlighten, otherwise advertising articles and plots do not inspire confidence! Yes, if it's not a secret bully then when the fifth roll out! Yes, and I'm sorry for the impudence that is heard on the MIGs when they already sign the contract feel ?
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +1
            14 June 2013 21: 14
            Quote: TSOOBER
            Hello!!! As always, you sow a reasonable, good eternal!


            Hello my friend! You ask questions that I won’t answer yet, okay bully you understand why!
            Here read the comments above. I answered the phantom of the revolution. There really is news about the test results, and not this one .. "hat" the girls were in a hurry!
            There, I really have a reason to fellow .
            According to the idea above gave a link .. read!
            Five will be around the end of summer!
            In almost instantly!
            Everything .. went for a walk with the dog, but then in general .. I was held here! drinks
            1. 0
              14 June 2013 21: 46
              Thank you! Visit the site more often what very sad without specialists
        4. ed65b
          +1
          14 June 2013 23: 05
          Well, of course, the Indians have the same thing, and we buy them tanks and planes and submarines. where are we retarded to them.
      5. Avenger711
        +5
        14 June 2013 18: 09
        "Buran" did it in 1987.
        1. -1
          14 June 2013 22: 07
          Buran was a breakthrough in automation, even with a lag in the element base, our engineers were able to solve such a problem. Surely in the t-50 similar algorithms are used.
    5. Soup227
      -4
      14 June 2013 12: 15
      as always for myself with a gulkin nose and on the left as needed. there the traders sit and decide that they don’t need to decide and don’t trust
    6. w.ebdo.g
      +10
      14 June 2013 13: 08
      Ay, yes, good news!
      nevertheless, in aircraft construction our school is THE BEST IN THE WORLD !!!
      three times URA-URA-URA !!!
      I wish you all a good mood.

      for reference:
      The use of all types of stealth technology can dramatically reduce the EPR of aircraft, including the largest. For example, the EPR of the strategic bomber B-52 is about 100 square meters. m., but already at B-1B, this value was reduced to 1 square. m. EPR F-117 was between 0,01 and 0,001 square meters. m

      The detection range of the aircraft is proportional to the square root of the EPR value. For example, if a radar is capable of detecting a target with an EPR of 10 square meters. m at a distance of 100 miles, then the target with an EPR of 5 square meters. m will be detected only at a distance of 84 miles. Target with EPR 1 sq. m will be detected at a range of only 55 miles. Thus, a 99% reduction in EPR reduces the detection range by 45%. Reducing the EPR by 1000 times will reduce the detection range by 82%.

      The magnitude of the EPR of some types of aircraft and missiles.

      B-52 - 100 square meters. m

      F-4, A-10 - 25 square meters. m

      B-1B - 1 sq. m

      Tornado - 8 sq. M. m

      MiG-21 - 3 square meters. m

      MiG-29 - 5 square meters. m

      F-16C, F-18C - 1,2 sq. m

      Gripen - 0,1 sq. m

      Eurofighter - 0,25-0,75 sq.m.

      Exocet, Harpoon - 0,1 sq. m

      JSF - 0,005 sq. m. (“golf ball size”)

      F-117, B-2, F-22 - from 0,01 to 0, 001 sq. m

      1. +5
        14 June 2013 14: 45
        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        The detection range of the aircraft is proportional to the square root of the EPR value.

        In fact, according to the basic equation of radar, the detection range is proportional to the root of the fourth degree of EPR.
      2. +5
        14 June 2013 19: 36
        Is the ESR the same for all wavelengths?
        Or how?
        Who defined this parameter?
        EPR is not secret data?
        Again, an article on the internet?
        Vague doubts torment that everything is very unstable in determining the EPR. wink
        There are persistent rumors that “Edge effects, reflections and re-reflections from design“ angles ”, diffraction and interference of electromagnetic waves, conditions for the propagation of an electric charge over the irradiated surface and other tricky effects contribute to the formation of a specific ESR value. The ESR of real objects, such as airplanes, with a small change in the angle of exposure or with a seemingly insignificant correction of the wavelength of the probe radiation can easily change by orders of magnitude."
        1. 0
          14 June 2013 22: 45
          Quote: Alekseev
          Is the ESR the same for all wavelengths?
          Or how?
          Who defined this parameter?
          EPR is not secret data?

          I believe this refers to the cm-range, the angle +/- 1/4, and without pendants.
          The magnitude of the EPR is finite, secret. But there is something to be said about aircraft already actively participating in the database and / or long armed.
          The numbers are given here, IMHO, quite plausible. The truth is not for all aircraft))
      3. +2
        15 June 2013 02: 11
        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        JSF - 0,005 sq. m. (“golf ball size”)

        The other day there was an article about "Don-2N", which sees smaller balls in near-earth orbit ...

        And about the range below you back questions for filling ...
    7. +5
      14 June 2013 13: 13
      Quote: jungler
      Yes. Apparently a good car. Unclear lope costs? those. what will the taxpayer cost? And how much will the army be able to order?

      And for this it is only necessary to legally restore in industry and trade such an indicator as the cost of production, and also introduce the maximum level of profit, and the tariff scale of annual salaries and bonuses for "effective managers". Stop tearing and grabbing, it's time to start working. And it is necessary to restore the system of State banks with a normal margin for lending to the military-industrial complex.
    8. +5
      14 June 2013 14: 14
      Quote: jungler
      Yes. Apparently a good car. Unclear lope costs? those. what will the taxpayer cost? And how much will the army be able to order?

      It is clearly cheaper than a raptor, but the price for us taxpayers is the second thing, the main thing is that he went into the series for our army! It’s not a pity to throw off such a plane! smile
    9. RUSSIA 2013
      +4
      14 June 2013 15: 07
      Here's the news, so the news. Eh would be quick in a series, but more. In one word, GOOD FELLOWS.
    10. +1
      14 June 2013 20: 42
      Quote: jungler
      Yes. Apparently a good car. Unclear lope costs? those. what will the taxpayer cost? And how much will the army be able to order?

      In fact of the matter! What will be the order! The larger the series, the lower the cost of a unit of production ... It was planned that the cost of one copy will fit into 100-110 million $
    11. 0
      14 June 2013 21: 46
      Of course it will be cheaper to cost than advanced Europeans and Americans will create such a plane.
    12. 0
      15 June 2013 00: 25
      Quote: jungler
      Yes. Apparently a good car. Unclear lope costs? those. what will the taxpayer cost? And how much will the army be able to order?

      One at all, we will not stand for the price))) Rather, how much is the defense industry capable of producing?
    13. characterization
      0
      15 June 2013 03: 23
      Your question is not correct about the value to the taxpayer, since it can cost his life and life is priceless, and not all taxpayers pay taxes so that if they don’t whine, then during the war they themselves will go to the machine for crusting bread a day
    14. marat1000
      0
      28 September 2013 09: 09
      Buy up to 2020-60 pieces. Who writes that NATO will have a nervous tick, this is stupid, they have thousands of such machines (albeit a bit worse). Do not make people laugh
  2. +5
    14 June 2013 10: 46
    Only beautiful planes fly well. Tupolev A.N
    I don’t know about you, but I really like it externally ... And the declared characteristics are simply impressive.

    I would also add: "Beauty will save the world"
  3. +18
    14 June 2013 10: 46
    The 5th generation Russian aircraft not only surpassed its foreign counterparts in terms of parameters,

    possesses artificial intelligence

    Most characteristics of the fighter are kept secret. The only thing that is approved by the designers, many parameters of the PAK-FA surpass the American fifth-generation aircraft Raptor F-22.

    Only me alone are these phrases alarming? I would like to believe that it will turn out to be a really good car, and not another "unparalleled" one, which will tear the worst of all and all, but after 15 years and 2 cars a year.
    In Soviet times, without loud shouts, they put into operation the equipment and all the "figels" from the performance characteristics of these machines only when some Belenko drove to Japan or when they flew over Israel with impunity
    1. +1
      14 June 2013 11: 09
      The promising front-line aviation complex T-50 is an aircraft capable of performing any task intended for both a fighter, and for an attack aircraft and a bomber. The fifth generation fighter is invisible to enemy radars, has a speed of more than 2500 km / h and possesses artificial intelligence. The aircraft is able to perform complex operations that were previously impossible without pilot intervention.

      Can I talk to him heart to heart? It seems that the authors of this article have embellished as always. Reminiscent of cheap TV shop ads.
      Most characteristics of the fighter are kept secret. The only thing that is approved by the designers, many parameters of the PAK-FA surpass the American fifth-generation aircraft Raptor F-22. The speed of the Russian aircraft is more than 500 km / h, the weight of the structure is less, and the flight duration is much higher. In addition, the T-50 is more maneuverable compared to the American fighter

      But on the F-22 developers flocked enough that I know all his secrets or they took it from Wikipedia.
      And in general, something seems to me that not one Developer is not good at such articles, but they continue to work on PAK-FA. And all this is written by a person far from PAK-FA and all of this program.
    2. +1
      14 June 2013 13: 30
      Quote: seasoned
      The 5th generation Russian aircraft not only surpassed its foreign counterparts in terms of parameters,

      possesses artificial intelligence

      Most characteristics of the fighter are kept secret. The only thing that is approved by the designers, many parameters of the PAK-FA surpass the American fifth-generation aircraft Raptor F-22.

      Only me alone are these phrases alarming? I would like to believe that it will turn out to be a really good car, and not another "unparalleled" one, which will tear the worst of all and all, but after 15 years and 2 cars a year.

      In general, since Soviet times, there has been a unique backlog of developments in automatic control systems. I hope no one has yet forgotten the flight of "Buran" in fully automatic mode and landing at the airfield with a crosswind of 20 m / s.
      When approaching the landing strip, the automatics processed real meteorological parameters, introduced corrections for the wind and brought "Buran" to the second circle, put it on the strip at the given points of touch and run. So the software for the T-50 AI was not developed from scratch or from scratch.
  4. +4
    14 June 2013 10: 46
    God forbid, the main thing is not to jinx it!
  5. Smersh
    +2
    14 June 2013 10: 48
    Well done our designers, a great plane!
  6. +12
    14 June 2013 10: 50

    watch the video I haven’t seen such a maneuver in my life even in science fiction films
    1. +4
      14 June 2013 10: 57
      And what is unusual about a flat spin? Recently, even our probable "friends" have mastered this figure.
    2. +2
      14 June 2013 11: 08
      Quote: Kair501
      watch the video I haven’t seen such a maneuver in my life even in science fiction films

      I was also surprised, but then I looked well and it’s a flat corkscrew

      I think that an excellent and beautiful "car" T-50))
    3. 0
      14 June 2013 15: 16
      This video needs to be attached to the news)
    4. gradient
      0
      14 June 2013 16: 33
      This maneuver is called a flat corkscrew :-))) I saw at the deuce, who does it in the video, in the ass a conical fairing? This is an anti-stop parachute. And without it, this maneuver is highly discouraged. Even Bogdan. I’m generally silent about the combat pilot.
      1. 0
        14 June 2013 17: 06
        If the video doesn’t make it difficult, it’s very interesting to watch the video, the first time I see it)))
      2. VAF
        VAF
        +2
        14 June 2013 17: 39
        Quote: Gradient
        I saw a deuce, who does it in the video, in the ass conical fairing? This is an anti-stop parachute.


        So yes, that's just at 051, not at 052 .. that's it .. just in case wink
    5. Capt.stryker
      0
      14 June 2013 19: 43
      Quote: Kair501
      watch the video I haven’t seen such a maneuver in my life even in science fiction films


      THERE IS NOTHING fantastic in this maneuver !!! This is a banal flat corkscrew! If you haven’t read the comments from the very beginning, and didn’t see the links to this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qmIQAOG789E
      in which the F-16 is spinning the same way, and that's almost 20 years ago!
    6. itkul
      +2
      14 June 2013 21: 34
      Quote: Kair501
      watch the video I haven’t seen such a maneuver in my life even in science fiction films


      Even the old Yak-52 can do such a maneuver.

      "Russian aircraft of the 5th generation not only surpassed foreign analogues in terms of parameters, but also demonstrated characteristics that exceed the expectations of the developers, according to a press release from the state corporation. "

      Where are the parameters of foreign analogues known ... from open sources?
      Talk less, work more.
      1. +2
        14 June 2013 12: 37
        Yes, at least the fact that F22 is afraid of rain and above 7 thousand is not allowed to fly. This is already enough.
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      3. itkul
        0
        14 June 2013 21: 39
        Quote: Sergey Polyakov
        Compare it to the American F-35

        Incorrectly different "weight" categories. It should be compared with the F-22 Raptor.
        But for the F-35, we need to create a 5th generation single-engine fighter and it is desirable to name it MiG-39. smile
        1. +1
          14 June 2013 14: 10
          Quote: Milafon
          Compare it to the American F-35

          Incorrectly different "weight" categories. It should be compared with the F-22 Raptor.
          But for the F-35 we need to create a single-engine fighter of the 5 generation and it is desirable to call it MiG-39. smile

          I beg you - this wunderwafel and the moment 35 will tear to shreds, and t50 the speediest production of a series of clear skies ...
        2. NickitaDembelnulsa
          0
          14 June 2013 14: 24
          Yes, I don’t understand why the F-35 is a fifth-generation fighter, because only stealth is its only parameter. Does he have super maneuverability. Even India believes that our Su-30MKI surpasses the F-35 in combat capabilities. But one cannot argue with the possibility of vertical take-off. This is really cool and helpful.
          1. +2
            14 June 2013 14: 34
            supersonic speed without afterburner
            1. NickitaDembelnulsa
              0
              14 June 2013 16: 07
              Well, that is a given. But the rest is that. 4 ++ is the maximum.
          2. +1
            14 June 2013 19: 17
            Vertical takeoff eats up a bunch of fuel, which greatly limits the flight time.
      4. +2
        14 June 2013 17: 10
        Quote: Sergey Polyakov
        Compare it to the American F-35

        Alas, while this is completely impossible to do.
        To do this, you need to know the real value of the EPR, the characteristics of the radar, BKO and weapons.
        And this is all secret. Approximately this can only be done after the T-50 and F-35 are exported, and that is, with some reservations.
        Purely hypothetically, it can be assumed that the T-50 will yield to the F-35 in terms of EPR, and in the capabilities of electronic warfare (this is our old weakness), clearly surpassing the LTH. We are still inferior in terms of weapon characteristics, but there are new developments ...
        It is completely impossible to talk about comparing radar capabilities.
    7. 0
      14 June 2013 10: 56
      Sorry, I gave the wrong link
      I wanted this one
      http://supercoolpics.com/2013/06/01/%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D0%B1%
      D1%83%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE-%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BA-%D1%84%D0%B0/
    8. White
      +1
      14 June 2013 10: 59
      And who knows what’s there with the four, like it should have been flying for a long time?
      1. +1
        14 June 2013 15: 46
        Quote: White
        And who knows what’s there with the four, like it should have been flying for a long time?

        In the second half of the year should start flying. It seems they already want to test weapons on it.
      2. +5
        14 June 2013 15: 48
        four flies for a long time! But the fifth one does not roll out everything - (VAF - wrote that because of the radar, and the glider has long been ready)
    9. For the Motherland
      +3
      14 June 2013 11: 11
      Beautiful plane !!!!!!!!! Like its predecessors, it means it will fly beautifully
    10. +2
      14 June 2013 11: 14
      It’s definitely faster to launch into production and a lot of troops. And do not sell 10-15 years to anyone.
    11. +8
      14 June 2013 11: 15
      He would not remain an exhibit for the Kunstkamera, if they were to supply 6 pieces a year - no super features would help
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    13. Dawn
      0
      14 June 2013 11: 34
      Handsome, he would still have the opportunity to enter the Earth orbit.
      1. +3
        14 June 2013 11: 40
        then it’s definitely not up to the army
      2. escobar
        0
        14 June 2013 19: 24
        ORT will tell you about this in the next issue))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
    14. +7
      14 June 2013 11: 42
      Quote: jungler
      Unclear lope costs?

      Yes, do not care how much. It is necessary !!
    15. cyclist
      0
      14 June 2013 12: 16
      here you can please the child, let him admire, he will be proud of the country! and so there are more questions than answers. Will this creation be sold as usual to China or India, where their craftsmen will take apart our super fighter in cogs, How many of them are planned for Russian troops there put?! Will there be enough pilots for this machine? The Germans also designed rockets during World War II, and technologies in the USA and the USSR leaked
    16. 0
      14 June 2013 12: 24
      Quote: cyclist
      The Germans also designed rockets during World War II, and technology in the USA and the USSR leaked


      As the English flowed away wept. Yes, and chased them to shit. And the fact that they have leaked is not so good to lose the war.
      1. cyclist
        0
        14 June 2013 12: 28
        I say there are obviously more questions, well, I’ll add one more why they haven’t done it in the USA before, it’s like flying for 15 years, but ours have just done it?
        1. 0
          14 June 2013 16: 36
          to the cyclist - Try to remember what state Russia was in - financial, political, and the question itself will disappear.
    17. Kowalsky
      +2
      14 June 2013 12: 25
      Quote: bulvas
      Handsome, he would still have the opportunity to enter the Earth orbit.


      This is one of the points that fall under the definition of "secret information" :)
    18. pakfa-t-50
      +1
      14 June 2013 12: 44
      Really direct pride in this plane, as soon as possible in a series !!!!!
    19. soldier's grandson
      -1
      14 June 2013 13: 14
      good goods for sales, while we wave a simple Kalash
    20. V. Ushakov
      0
      14 June 2013 13: 22
      You look - you rejoice! Gradually - everything falls into place ...
    21. 128mgb
      +2
      14 June 2013 13: 25
      Quote: cyclist
      I say there are obviously more questions, well, I’ll add one more why they haven’t done it in the USA before, it’s like flying for 15 years, but ours have just done it?

      Do you remember dear about the defeat in the cold war? Here you have a lag of 20 years. It is a miracle that he is in metal and flies, and not bad. And the plane is really predatory beautiful!
    22. No_more
      +2
      14 June 2013 13: 29
      I’m much more interested in the fate of the new engine for this aircraft. Now he flies with the AL-41F1 (a modernized version of the AL-41F1S, which is put on the Su-35S).
      And the new engine will have to make it possible to go to supersonic without afterburner and have 30% more specific power, nothing more is known. The Lyulka Science and Technology Center promises to start bench testing next year, and to prepare it for production in 2015. But it’s not clear where they are going to produce it, whether production is ready somewhere for such an engine.
      It is also interesting how the new radar showed itself there, and I had no doubt that it would fly beautifully.
      I, as an aviation engineer (although, alas, only by education), I wish more substantial news about this aircraft.
      1. +2
        14 June 2013 19: 03
        Nothing! You won’t drink education!
        Anyway, in the subject. I envy ...
    23. VladUrich
      +1
      14 June 2013 13: 35
      I am also happy for our T-50, for our creators, engineers, testers. But in every barrel of honey there is a fly in the ointment. It looks like the Indians will be able to derive considerable benefit from the joint project of the export modification of the FGFA T-50, creating their own promising combat aircraft AMSA.What " friends "the Chinese copy our technologies, and so do the Indians. I would not be surprised if they skim the cream off a joint project, and later declare that it is futile ...
      "Military Parity." Despite participating with Russia in the fifth-generation FGFA fighter program, India continues to develop its own promising AMSA combat aircraft, ainonline.com reports June 13.

      The Indian Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) showed the AMCA prototype (pictured) in Bangalore at Aero India 2013 this February. The aerodynamic shape of the aircraft has undergone changes compared to the model shown at Aero India 2011. The development of AMCA in parallel with the FGFA may indicate that India may consider this project as an alternative to the FGFA.

      When asked about the fate of AMSA, aviation marshal Norman Anil Kumar Browne refused to compare the characteristics of this aircraft with the FGFA, but insisted that the national program should be continued, especially in the field of development of on-board equipment and power plant, " since no one will give us these technologies. ”

      Brown also supported the completion of the LCA Tejas light combat aircraft, which has been under development for 20 years. He said that the initial operational readiness of this aircraft will be achieved at the end of this year, in 2015 it will go into service with the Air Force, but in the final combat configuration this fighter will only appear in 2024 with the creation of the Tejas Mk.2 modification.

      It is likely that AMCA will be equipped with Kaveri engines of national design, which were intended for LCA, but then, due to technical problems and a lag in the development schedule, it was decided at the first stage to equip these fighters with the American turbofan General Electric F404, then its advanced model F414.

      The fact that India is still showing signs of continuing to develop AMCA suggests that New Delhi has some concerns about the FGFA. Brown hinted that due to India’s late participation in the FGFA program, which is being developed on the basis of the Russian T-50 PAKFA fighter, it will be difficult to organize work in a 50/50 ratio. There are also “some fears” regarding Russian technologies in certain areas. In particular, the T-50 prototype gliders are still characterized by a large proportion of metals, which reflects the “gaps and shortcomings” in the creation of composite materials (CM) by Sukhoi. At the same time, the proportion of composites in the LCA glider is 43% (probably, it refers to the CM area of ​​the airframe, and not their weight fraction - approx. “VP”).
      1. evil hamster
        +1
        14 June 2013 19: 10
        Quote: VladUrich
        The fact that India is still showing signs of continuing to develop AMCA suggests that New Delhi has some concerns about the FGFA
        Oh, I beg you. Onet Arjun has been developing for 30 years as a result of which they produced a mowing leopardoid, which in no way affected the equipment of their T90 army. You think it’s corruption and nepotism in our country, we have never dreamed of it here.
        1. +1
          14 June 2013 19: 47
          That's for sure. Worked with the Indians. NIGHTMARE!!
          1. 0
            18 June 2013 14: 25
            I used to work with Hindu code, I thought that all the jokes about Hindu programmers are stories ... How naive I was. But the edge of my patience came when they wanted to send me to a project where the Indians were paid for the amount of code ... it's just a nightmare! Pentacles on BASIC write better! It seems that a million Indians write a program absolutely without knowing the programming language by the selection method, while not particularly reading the TK)))
    24. UFO
      0
      14 June 2013 13: 43
      The troops faster and more! good And also PAK YES, well, what's wrong with him? At what stage? request
    25. +1
      14 June 2013 13: 57
      Yes, here it’s a no brainer that no one will give the Indians a new avionics and engine and a glider? If you have your own composites, let them put no, how do you want to put what is there! And we will still process the glider after 5-6 years into an improved one (in any case they didn’t come up with Indians there, it will be an order of magnitude worse than ours. as they usually throw a lot of money into research, they will collect a prototype and he doesn’t fly a bastard !!!) well, again, give me ayah please, but there’s nothing to fly on and all that ... ..
    26. 0
      14 June 2013 15: 05
      The indicators are certainly pleasing, do not stand still. But already I want to be surprised at the news that this aircraft began to enter the troops in the required quantity. Well, for example, how konvertoplany amers.
      1. +2
        14 June 2013 15: 49
        Quote: LOCKS
        The indicators are certainly pleasing, do not stand still. But already I want to be surprised at the news that this aircraft began to enter the troops in the required quantity. Well, for example, how konvertoplany amers.

        If, according to the plan, by 2020, 60 pieces will be transferred to the troops, it will already be good.
    27. 9k72
      +3
      14 June 2013 16: 16
      Perhaps the most advanced at the moment and one of the most beautiful examples of world aircraft.
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    29. +1
      14 June 2013 16: 50
      PAK FA surprised creators

      Paraphrasing Vladimir Semenovich
      "life has not yet begun, the sale has begun!"

      Wait and see if the story with the KA-50 repeats itself.
    30. +1
      14 June 2013 17: 02
      Well BEAUTIFUL !!! +++++ Even more beautiful than the dream of my childhood IL-14. Keep it up guys!
    31. Capt.stryker
      -6
      14 June 2013 17: 51
      Quote: vaf
      Quote: berserk1967
      According to the shots that were shown by Channel One and Vesti, how the T-50 flies,


      Watch more often ... and also Polygon, Star ... and Chapman ... generally will be ..super !!! wassat

      Quote: berserk1967
      amers and NATO members will definitely have a nervous tick


      From what ... from the fact that ours only after 20 years (!!!) came to this ??? request

      Quote: berserk1967
      Not one aircraft in the world is capable of this.


      Never say never!!! Especially if neither ....... you know! soldier


      I absolutely agree with you, on every point!
    32. Capt.stryker
      -3
      14 June 2013 18: 03
      Quote: vaf
      Quote: Nikolko
      .A Indians plan to buy at $ 100 million


      At present, Indians are going to .... refuse to participate in the project !!!
      Slightly less.... fellow . will be more useful!

      And the Indians are stepping ever wider from cooperation with Russia towards the United States!
      1. +2
        14 June 2013 19: 29
        "And the Indians are stepping more and more widely from cooperation with Russia towards the United States!"

        And we will not need it soon either, the time when the Americans began to take away our achievements to ourselves with bags. Let the United States think better how its debt economy does not shit. And the Indians themselves step on their eggs stepping from Russia.
    33. +1
      14 June 2013 18: 04
      This is certainly good, but until the completion of not just an airplane, but the entire complex, it still takes time. The engine, locator, sensors, weapons, software, maintenance and its price. And we need to sell it a little more, because the new production aircraft is already an outdated aircraft, and we ourselves need to make a new car with the money we earned, better.
    34. +1
      14 June 2013 18: 04
      This is certainly good, but until the completion of not just an airplane, but the entire complex, it still takes time. The engine, locator, sensors, weapons, software, maintenance and its price. And we need to sell it a little more, because the new production aircraft is already an outdated aircraft, and we ourselves need to make a new car with the money we earned, better.
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    37. fisherman
      +2
      14 June 2013 19: 06
      Even in the case when the pilot is unable to pilot a fighter, the T-50 is able to return to its base and land.

      Here you have the drone good more precisely, his first hypostasis good
    38. fisherman
      0
      14 June 2013 19: 07
      Even in the case when the pilot is unable to pilot a fighter, the T-50 is able to return to its base and land.

      Here you have the drone good more precisely, his first hypostasis good
    39. -2
      14 June 2013 20: 21
      I am sure that it was made taking into account intelligence on F 22
    40. escobar
      +1
      14 June 2013 20: 56
      Quote: vaf
      Quote: escobar
      With the worst glider


      It is debatable of course .. if you take it in the complex as an airplane, and not just .. aerodynamic blowdowns! +! wink

      Quote: escobar
      on the super engine


      The same is controversial, since I like our "motor" more, but if "the second stage will also be given birth" .. then there will be a song!

      Quote: escobar
      .If you consider that the serial production of f22 began in 2001, this breakthrough deserves respect.


      Here is just +! drinks

      The current engine on the T-50 does not reach the Pratt & Whitney F119, but when it is new, then we will compare it.
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +3
        14 June 2013 21: 24
        Quote: escobar
        The current engine on the T-50 does not reach the Pratt & Whitney F119


        And here I agree, but as a pilot I always consider the COMPLEX and its BATTLE POSSIBILITIES, and such a beautiful airplane. It’s a beautiful helicopter .... we have enough on our site. Yes, and I looked at them ... when I loaded them .. .200 in bulk in the IL-76th !!
        Do not understand ..children ischo!

        Well, ..drew off, there above read over this comment my answer to YPantom from the Revolution, there is some data from the 1st stage of LCI! bully
        Well, koment itself is a little .. I hope you understand everything!
        Regards +drinks
    41. SHARK
      +2
      14 June 2013 21: 09
      only in the photo at the beginning of the article is not the t-50 but its concept, we need to take a closer look.
    42. +1
      14 June 2013 21: 42
      A very nice article, despite no nuances.
    43. reichsmarshal
      -4
      14 June 2013 21: 53
      Whatever anyone says about PAK FA, he will prove to be the same child prodigy as the Raptor. The F-23 will also not become a full-fledged fifth-generation aircraft, it is only needed to replace the most worn-out aircraft of the fourth generation. In the United States, they understand this, and they are quietly developing a new generation Air Force complex based on shock hypersonic UAVs and even automatic drones. Piloted aircraft and all sorts of Hartman-Kozheduba-Epstein in this regard after 5-4. they will depart to the field of history, just as knights on horseback have gone in the past. Pogosyan, having drank the money, will leave for the USA, and Russia will be left without 2025th-generation aircraft (since now already 2026/4 of the MiG-2 and Su-3 are museum exhibits unusable for flight), but with a dozen PAK FAs, which the Air Force NATO is easily bombarded with new drones. Tales about the ability to intercept control is not necessary!
      1. Avenger711
        -1
        15 June 2013 14: 50
        Oh well. Given that up to genuine UAVs to humanity, as before landing on Pluto.
    44. not good
      +1
      14 June 2013 21: 54
      I would very much like that our leadership had the sanity not to sell PAK-FA over a hill until they fully equip their aircraft.
    45. 0
      14 June 2013 21: 54
      Quote: berserk1967
      According to the footage that Channel One and Vesti showed, how the T-50 flies, amers and NATO members will definitely have a nervous tic. Not a single plane in the world is capable of this.


      I support, what was shown in the news was simply delighted ... just a class, a nervous tick is surely provided to Americans, just as they are not trying to turn into a world gigimon, it's not so simple
    46. 0
      14 June 2013 21: 58
      Quote: Polar
      And for this it is only necessary to legally restore in industry and trade such an indicator as the cost of production, and also introduce the maximum level of profit, and the tariff scale of annual salaries and bonuses for "effective managers". Stop tearing and grabbing, it's time to start working. And it is necessary to restore the system of State banks with a normal margin for lending to the military-industrial complex.


      You are probably off topic.

      1. Cost, rate of return, etc. did not go anywhere. If the enterprise does not consider these indicators, and these are fundamental indicators, then it will not go anywhere and will not last a day. The cost price is the cost of production and sale of products, works, services. Add the rate of return and get the price.
      2. When public procurement auctions are announced, then the minimum rate of profit is laid in them, especially taking into account the latest trend in the "landing". At the same time, KRU of the Ministry of Finance, the Accounts Chamber, the Prosecutor's Office and investigators of various levels work regularly. In the case of the defense order, the phasers are still on guard. So my advice to you, read Onalny less and other yellow-liberal shit. At the same time, I am not saying that they do not steal, they steal, as elsewhere, and maybe less, if there is a desire I can give links to materials that describe how they steal TENS OF BILLION DOLLARS in a few minutes. And ALMOST legal. Moreover, they do not throw their own people at a rate. This magical place is called the American Stock Exchange.
      3. We have long had a system of state-owned banks that credit both the military-industrial complex and where the government points. For example, VTB, VEB group, the same Sberbank, Gazprombank and others. There are even private banks that lend to VPK, the same Rosevrobank (by the way, with the participation of the capital of Germany).
      Further, budget funds are used to fulfill orders for the needs of the defense industry, and when necessary, with a good advance (and it reaches 80%) ...
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +2
        15 June 2013 01: 05
        Quote: ssergn
        Cost price,


        Only +! For all counts! You can immediately see that you are in the subject! I just didn’t understand .. on whose side wink

        Write yourself COST, only now I think it and how I need it !!! Then you probably already understand what I mean wink As the main contractor, I have "my own" subcontractors (double tenders), etc. bully

        And let the switchgear continue on your list .. complain to me on a visit .. everything is open for me and everything is available and balance and budget and documentation! bully
        1. +5
          15 June 2013 07: 39
          I presented only the facts and did not say anything about my "belonging", so I do not understand your irony a little. Well then, in order:

          1. I love women in every sense of the word feel
          2. I was born, studied and entered a university in the USSR, but I graduated in independent (from whom only) Russia. I have a Vus commander of an anti-tank artillery battery (I learned to play the "flute" wink )
          3. I really love my country and I am disgusted and terribly offended when I go to Kazakhstan, to Ukraine (most of my ancestors are from there), the Baltic states or somewhere else and I have to go through the border, customs and other nonsense. It was wild for me to hear in Ukraine, "and we want to join NATO." In response to the question of why you need it, I was told "and the Russians did not attack Schaub, myzh are weak." I DO NOT understand why Crimea is UKRAINE. I think that Suvorov, Kutuzov, Rumyantsev-Zadunaisky, Nakhimov, Ushakov, Catherine the Great, Potemkin (we can go on for a long time) in general would simply be dumbfounded by such turns of fate.
          4. Further, the CUSTOMER (State) calculates the price of the auction, and here the main problem is that the specialists at the Customers ran out or did not start and sometimes consider this price according to the 3P principle (floor, finger, ceiling), that is, there are simply no qualified estimators . But the contractor’s business will meet this price. And when there is still trade (in 90% of cases), the price can also crash.
          5. COST means its own (without additional) product (it will become a product when it has a price).
          6. And since I am for justice, I really do not like it when they are engaged in juggling with the fact, especially specialists, which are difficult for uninitiated Pts to bring to clean water. You know, a real fan loves and supports his team always, and not just when she loses (it is especially noticeable with the example of our national teams), and so I just love my MOTHERLAND. I am for her greatness, power and independence (real). And I don’t like much in the current regime, BUT, after all, a lot of good is being done, otherwise looking at the mass media one gets the feeling that we only have cuts, kickbacks, thieves, etc. But the country is living, working, something is happening, it is being built, it is opening up, and then down the list. That's why I read both the military review, and the SMS (made with us), and other sites.
          Yesterday in the states it was the day of the national flag, the current they treat these holidays with trepidation, amers abroad are proud to say that they are US citizens, they have confidence that their own state is the most, and if so, then for them 100500 planes, helicopters, tank divisions and others will arrive.
          So here I want that our people RUSSIANS also belonged to their country, that Russia, the flag, coat of arms, anthem - this is HOLY. And holy, do not touch! And then ....

          Somehow like this...
          Still have questions drinks ?
          1. VAF
            VAF
            0
            15 June 2013 13: 28
            Quote: ssergn
            Still have questions


            So they didn’t exist .. these questions, but they didn’t understand the irony, well, it means minus me that I "buried" deeply or minus you, as pretending that I didn’t "catch" lol

            I just noticed that you are + and that you are ... really in the subject! drinks
            1. +2
              15 June 2013 13: 39
              vaf (1) . Good afternoon Buddy! drinks
              I have a present for you.
              I’ll write it off in PM!
          2. +2
            15 June 2013 13: 37
            ssergn Hello hi Excuse me for the unceremonious intrusion into your conversation with Veteranohm, but I want to ask you another question. How do you feel about the monopoly on the power of the United Russia? If you really openly told about yourself? hi
            Best regards drinks
            1. +2
              15 June 2013 22: 20
              Goodnight,

              And I have a negative attitude to monopoly, and to any. What power, what the production of something. Monopoly is evil, and for the monopoly itself, too, since it leads to self-destruction and self-destruction for obvious reasons (for example, there is no incentive to develop, there is no competition, in other words, the grip is lost). Well, actually, the end is one
              I do not belong to Edru, simply put, non-partisan. And actually, this is not a political forum, although without talking about politics, almost no topics pass. hi

              Best regards drinks
        2. 0
          15 June 2013 07: 50
          Quote: vaf
          And let the switchgear continue on your list .. complain to visit me .. everything is open to me and everything is available and balance and budget and documentation


          It seems to you just did not complain hi
          1. VAF
            VAF
            -1
            15 June 2013 13: 31
            Quote: ssergn
            It seems to you just did not complain


            It's like this ..... write about your power yourself and right there ... didn’t complain? laughing and do they "eat" what do you think ... only bread .. and without butter? wassat
            1. +2
              15 June 2013 22: 25
              So the problem is that the appetite angry comes with food, so do not give, although it is very problematic hi
    47. soldier's grandson
      0
      14 June 2013 22: 14
      Well, what did it create? current for whom will he go? few very few people create and someone sells
    48. ed65b
      +1
      14 June 2013 22: 59
      here are the experts who are ready to screw everything up. Jews, 5 column. Break off, it will fly better, higher, further. Look and stream around.
      1. soldier's grandson
        0
        16 June 2013 19: 47
        the Arabs and Chinese will fly
      2. soldier's grandson
        0
        16 June 2013 19: 48
        the Arabs and Chinese will fly
    49. +1
      14 June 2013 23: 37
      THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THIS ISSUE IS THAT THE NDOS HAVE WIPPED THEIR NOSE, GET IT INTO SERIAL PRODUCTION ASAP, AND THERE WE’LL TAKE ALASKA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    50. Alexander D.
      0
      15 June 2013 00: 26
      I would be surprised if the article was “PAK FA disappointed the creators” lol
      They will be surprised when in one battle he will hit more enemy aircraft than missiles on suspensions. For now, this is just a project. With respect to the creators of this wonderful and wondrous miracle.
    51. +3
      15 June 2013 01: 16
      Quote: soldier's grandson
      and the pilot can leave the plane and return to base independently

      Yeah, about like this And grab a couple more surface-to-air missiles)))
    52. +2
      15 June 2013 07: 44
      Quote: vaf
      From what ... from the fact that ours only after 20 years (!!!) came to this ??? request

      Well, if we take into account the year 90 and the reign of Judas Yeltsin, then the fact that Russia in the shortest possible time, in fact, in 5-7 years, managed to make a 5th generation aircraft also evokes respect. Let's hope that now there will be more new developments in the military. I am simply amazed at the talent of the Russian people who, despite all the difficulties and lack of money, can create such aircraft. If there is normal funding and they don’t put a spoke in the wheels, then not a single country can compare with Russia. And by the way, 1th generation aircraft in the USSR were also made much later. For what beauties they turned out to be.
      1. VAF
        VAF
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        15 June 2013 13: 46
        Quote: Boricello
        Well, if we take into account the year 90 and the reign of Judas Yeltsin, then Russia in the shortest possible time


        They didn’t understand the essence of the issue - the issue is not in the plane, but in the news that is “presented” through one place!!!
        well, in what way - you probably looked at it yourself!
        If you liked it, then... I can’t help you!

        Well, 5-7 years is not the shortest, but quite normal time frame! good +! drinks
        It’s true that there’s only...one plane! Well, yes... I forgot... I also gave him a Boeing-super-duper..."! lol
        1. Avenger711
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          15 June 2013 14: 47
          The MiG-29 and Su-27 actually started back in the 60s.
      2. Avenger711
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        15 June 2013 14: 47
        Actually, the timing is normal, 10 years before the first flight.
    53. soldier's grandson
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      15 June 2013 07: 52
      there is no need to boast about yourself, very little work has been done, one plane will not solve the problem, you should admire the new foot wraps
    54. +2
      15 June 2013 07: 55
      Quote: retired
      That's for sure. Worked with the Indians. NIGHTMARE!!

      NOT THAT WORD!!! They run our plant. Mother of May, woman, give birth to me back.... This is Tsigonwa and you can’t call them anything else. Moreover, they are also in 1st or 2nd place in terms of corruption. Russia has never dreamed of such corruption. They are also lazy, dirty and smelly. Brrrrrrrrr. Such an aria is walking down the street covered in streaks of dirt, in a sleigh (in October) with snot flowing from his nose and crap painted on his forehead. And their women are worse than nuclear war. No amount of vodka will help here!!!!! I’m writing this and I’m cringing out of disgust.
    55. +3
      15 June 2013 10: 26
      Quote: Alexander D.
      I would be surprised if the article was “PAK FA disappointed the creators” lol
      They will be surprised when in one battle he will hit more enemy aircraft than missiles on suspensions. For now, this is just a project. With respect to the creators of this wonderful and wondrous miracle.

      So what's what? The F22 did not participate in any combat operations and its assessment of combat effectiveness is purely theoretical, and there are even more postscripts involved. You can remember what happened with the 4th generation. In fact, it turned out that the amers overestimated the characteristics of their aircraft on paper (and the USSR made its own taking into account those stated on paper). Maybe that’s why both SU and MIG turned out so good.
    56. KononAV
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      15 June 2013 14: 01
      Let's wait for fire tests
    57. soldier's grandson
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      16 June 2013 16: 01
      and what new things have we introduced into the series? or put into the troops? nothing for 20 years! everything goes only to the international market, so with such power, rely on yourself, God forbid, of course
    58. 0
      17 June 2013 14: 41
      The plane is beautiful, I’m sure it will fly just as well, maybe even better! I understand that at the same time avionics, engines, composites, weapons are being created... - it’s just a pity that it’s very slow...
    59. 0
      18 June 2013 14: 59
      The article is a DELIGHT!!! It’s just a thrill, in a small article, he succinctly wrote what we’ve been reading about in kilometer-long articles for several years now!
      TO THE DEVELOPERS, all levels of aircraft construction, low bow!
      THIS IS HOW OUR ENTIRE ARMY SHOULD BE!!!
    60. 0
      19 June 2013 17: 41
      Quote: vaf
      Never say never!!! Especially if neither ....... you know!




      What if they stole this engine from Russia, installed it on an F-16, flew it, disassembled it, but were unable to reproduce either the mechanics of the nozzle or the materials?
    61. 0
      19 June 2013 21: 21
      Eh, I wish they could quickly adopt it so that the American Raptor would burst with envy.
    62. 0
      20 June 2013 14: 39
      Strange title for the article! ...Surprised the creators? Is he a paper airplane made from a piece of paper? What about calculations, purging, etc.? And it’s good that I was “surprised” for the better, but what if it’s the other way around?! I would like the work on this project to be done quickly and there would be fewer “surprises” associated with it!
    63. lucidlook
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      20 June 2013 21: 19
      Let it lie here for now (until clarification)
    64. R.R.A.
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      23 June 2013 16: 49
      Quote: escobar

      Well, as far as I know, the Indian Air Force won the Raptor with our Su-27s, so I don’t see anything particularly outstanding in it, and the amers’ principles are “aerodynamics were invented by those who do not know how to create powerful engines.”
    65. R.R.A.
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      23 June 2013 16: 51
      Quote: Marconi41
      Strange title for the article! ...Surprised the creators? Is he a paper airplane made from a piece of paper? What about calculations, purging, etc.? And it’s good that I was “surprised” for the better, but what if it’s the other way around?! I would like the work on this project to be done quickly and there would be fewer “surprises” associated with it!

      Yes, it is advisable to correct the title...