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Movies are the most important of the arts: to the show about the war in the spirit of sensation

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Even the most stupid design can be done masterfully. There are, for example, a television director, whose professional development comes at the height of the “documentary” about giant rats in the Moscow metro, the abduction of homo sapiens by unidentified flying objects, the secrets of fishmen and the breaking of covers from stories. And, let's say, such a director receives an order to create a documentary series about the Great Patriotic War from the Ukrainian channel, owned by the country's largest oligarch. Is it possible to make such a film in a sensational format?


Recall that the yard 2013-th year. Everything that can be exposed has long been exposed. Archives, on closeness of which they blamed before, opened. Key memes: the USSR began the war, Marshal Zhukov showered the enemies with corpses, SMERSH is identical to the Gestapo - not just known to the reader, but in the light version are already present in the school textbook.

At first glance, the task of shocking the viewer is initially impossible. However, the movie “1941. The forbidden truth proves the opposite by its existence. Its creator (yes, the name of this laureate of many Soviet, Ukrainian and international awards will be erased from human memory) has found author solutions that really introduce scenes into the documentary that have not become prohibited only due to lack of understanding of the criminal code in the current version.

In the Forbidden Truth TV series, the Red Army shoots 14-year-olds while retreating. Adolf Hitler loses World War II only because he is afraid of abandoning sabotage teams in the Gulag area and freeing millions of Soviet prisoners. And he is afraid because he understands: these free people will sweep away his totalitarian regime in the same way as the Bolshevik power. The catastrophic failures of the Red Army in the first days of the war are connected ... And try to guess what they are connected with. Not with surprise attacks. Not with a high level of training of the enemy, who conquered all of Europe before. Not with that, of course, the banal fact that the Wehrmacht had a three-to-fourfold superiority in forces in the places of the main attack. And where he didn’t, the situation was far from the classic blitzkrieg. No - the June 1941 disaster of the year was provoked by the activities of the anti-Soviet underground, which instantly intensified with the start of the war.

The fact that, according to the film, ours are exactly on the western side of the front (and everything is fine with them in 1941 year), against the background of all the above, does not cause any special complaints. Such a view would have the right to exist. Be it honestly justified (why the author identifies himself with those who tried to conquer his own homeland) and expressed correctly, at least from a historical point of view.

In all respects, the 5-serial fiction film, shot in the spirit of the battle of psychics, could be put on a par with similar creations, but it’s still on a different theme. On the historical. And what history means for politics is well demonstrated by a recent sociological survey describing the attitude to the disintegration of the Soviet Union in the context of the political preferences of the respondents.

In total in Ukraine there are 41% of those who regret the collapse of the USSR, but they are distributed very unevenly among the parties. Among supporters of "Freedom" such 5%. Among the communists - 81%. In the Party of Regions - 58%. By "Batkivschyna" and "Stroke" indicators 26% and 21%, respectively. But if party sympathies correlate with attitudes toward the USSR, then this rule obviously works in a different direction. That is, attitude to the past (in this case, the Soviet one) influences party sympathies. Shaping attitudes towards historical events, including such as the Great Patriotic War, can influence political orientation.

This is not a discovery, and few people will deny the role of perception of history on the formation of a citizen. And the role of films as well. However, in the figures of party sympathies, it looks even clearer. Ultimately, the signal that is sent in the form of a historical film (school lesson, book, speech), according to the reported vessels, should sooner or later reach the political self-determination of the citizen.

It is clear that the effect of individual actions is scanty. The “Forbidden Truth” pinches some microscopic fraction from the desired 41% - and slightly outweighs the alignment of political forces in a particular republic. Unless, of course, will not cause a backlash. There are already all claims to the mastery of the director, who for some reason decided to squeeze out a few sensational discoveries from 1941, instead of working on a school textbook. But in principle - it works. And it can not work.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 15 June 2013 15: 08 New
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    Not surprised. If Russia openly shoots anti-Russian films, then what can we really demand from directors from other countries hi
    1. experienced
      experienced 15 June 2013 15: 55 New
      17
      For such a movie,
      I cut you need to beat in e..o,
      To know this mouflon,
      Whom the loaf crumbles to angry
    2. FC SKIF
      FC SKIF 15 June 2013 18: 55 New
      +7
      For the sake of interest, I began to watch "4 of the day in May" ... sickeningly. Interestingly, Merzlikin where on 100% gave everything in the "Brest Fortress" or this bum. So while we ourselves are shooting all sorts of bastards, we can not poke others like that.
    3. Cesar_Xnumx
      Cesar_Xnumx 16 June 2013 11: 09 New
      +3
      I watched this "masterpiece". The recollections of some left-wing veterans, not a single “fact” is supported by a historical document. It is felt that the creators, obvious fans of the work of Nikita Besogon.
  2. YARY
    YARY 15 June 2013 15: 11 New
    23
    Here on the site there are many who fully accept the "forbidden truth", they also perceive Afghanistan and Libya and Yugoslavia and Syria. They are ready to sell and sell everything and everything without exception!
    Many have washed up this Mr. to our shore.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 15 June 2013 15: 26 New
      14
      Rather, it would have been quieter. Tired of looking at all this. At 80m I could not even imagine such a thing even in my worst dreams. Disgust and impotence is what I always feel when I see this. A little more and for all this muck will become History. That's what a shame.
    2. Armata
      Armata 15 June 2013 15: 42 New
      +5
      Quote: Ardent
      There are many people on the site who fully perceive the “forbidden truth”, they also perceive Afghanistan and Libya and Yugoslavia and Syria. They are ready to sell and sell everything and everything without exception!
      Many have washed up this Mr. to our shore.
      Hi Andrew. The truth is always in the middle. Everything is bad for deprived offenders; everything is good for minions of fate. Nada is afraid of both those who say that everything is bad, and those who say that everything is wonderful.
      1. experienced
        experienced 15 June 2013 15: 46 New
        +5
        Quote: Mechanic
        We must be afraid of both those who say that everything is bad, and those who say that everything is wonderful.

        With all due respect hi I’ll fix it a bit, you don’t need to be afraid of anyone and you need to make your own opinion based on an analysis of the information from both the “foes” and the “URYalkins”
        1. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 16 June 2013 10: 06 New
          +1
          Do not believe, do not be afraid, do not ask! The law of life !!!
      2. YARY
        YARY 15 June 2013 16: 23 New
        +4
        Zhenya good afternoon!
        The rule of the golden mean, operates in a balanced society and only in a period of calm (relative).
        Is it possible to call our society calm and balanced?
        That’s why there is a movement in the minds of radicalism and reaction. And sadly, I have to admit that this is the only correct way of thinking in this time period.
        "Do not pull the bow forever" and in our country he is extremely tight ....
      3. omsbon
        omsbon 15 June 2013 20: 26 New
        +5
        Quote: Mechanic
        The truth is always in the middle

        Good evening, friends!
        The truth is in the archives, in the memoirs and memoirs of the participants, in good books!
        You and I should, whenever possible, expose these scumbags-Pvdo historians! It is impossible in such cases to be silent! I understand that we are not public people and do not loom in the TV screens, but it is impossible to remain silent at the everyday level.
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 15 June 2013 15: 48 New
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      Quote: Ardent
      Here on the site there are many who fully accept the "forbidden truth", they also perceive Afghanistan and Libya and Yugoslavia and Syria


      A very good brainwashing film for those who do not want to study history. All fakes in one bottle, very convenient. Immediately prepare this product after viewing ..... lol
      1. YARY
        YARY 15 June 2013 16: 26 New
        +3
        Stanislav good day!
        The size is small .....
        But the direction of thought is correct.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 15 June 2013 16: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: Ardent
          Stanislav good day!
          The size is small ...


          Andrei! Good day! As experienced ladies say, size does not matter. it's all about technology ... So in this case
          1. YARY
            YARY 15 June 2013 17: 24 New
            0
            laughing laughing laughing
            So oh identity !!! laughing
            1. Dovmont
              Dovmont 15 June 2013 19: 31 New
              +2
              Esmarch's mug (pictured) is suitable for any size - for 100 years it has been tested in thousands of domestic clinics)))
      2. Atlon
        Atlon 16 June 2013 05: 05 New
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        Quote: Ascetic
        A very good brainwashing movie for those

        By placing photos of enemas in your comment, do you hint that those who can be brainwashed with this “masterpiece” are in the ass? wink
        1. skeptic
          skeptic 16 June 2013 08: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: Atlon
          Quote: Ascetic
          A very good brainwashing movie for those

          By placing photos of enemas in your comment, do you hint that those who can be brainwashed with this “masterpiece” are in the ass? wink


          Sorry to interfere, but you can only look and believe in the “forbidden ... du” only if your brains are in the hinted place.
    4. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 15 June 2013 20: 35 New
      +5
      Friends! 22 years have passed, as one tray for the prize and three bastards of the local spill, for a bottle of vodka, destroyed the Soviet Union. Even the 30-year-olds have a relative concept of that state, and thanks to corrupt historians, writers and the media, we have custom-made material of crooks in power. There is a wonderful movie "Unknown War." There is a story. You need to twist it before the Great Victory Day, as they say "With a light steam" before the New Year, and not this moor, where from the first frame you don’t already believe actors who have no idea about that time.
      Not surprisingly, the film put a well-deserved tray of all time. He knew then who and how to lick his ass, he adapted himself and today the oligarch not only lick his ass, but also wet his apron. The truth about the war lives among the people, turns into epics.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 15 June 2013 20: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        There is a wonderful movie "Unknown War."
        Indeed, a piercing series. Besides the bright documentary material, everything in it is imbued with warmth for the difficult fate that fell on the lot of the Soviet people, and you will never forget the music from The Unknown War ... soldier And I won’t write anything on the topic of the article. Moderators will still delete what I think about this bad person.
  3. fisherman
    fisherman 15 June 2013 15: 19 New
    +3
    With the recollections of ANY eyewitness, one must be careful. Eyewitnesses see only what they see, the perception of what they saw in general is an individual thing. Two people ALWAYS perceive what they see differently, but they tell them completely different. Moreover, a person tends to change the perception of what he sees over time, and often simply under the influence of "public" opinion.
  4. piotr534
    piotr534 15 June 2013 15: 28 New
    +3
    The influence of Western puppeteers is obvious, they have taught their peoples to learn history from films and comics, and now they are actively promoting it in Ukraine. And I must say, not without success, today's young people are too lazy to read something serious. It's easier to watch a movie, watch a comic book and why at the same time still think, everything is chewed and served. And here on the site such manifestations are also present. The world is going to hell .....
    1. alex13-61
      alex13-61 15 June 2013 16: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: piotr534
      The influence of Western puppeteers is obvious

      And this influence increased during the time of the beekeeper-president. And his wife, imported, tried.
    2. Atlon
      Atlon 16 June 2013 05: 15 New
      0
      Quote: piotr534
      The influence of Western puppeteers is obvious

      Well, these "miracles-yudas" will not be missed. Even here, on the site, touching on the “miraculous" question instantly leads to sanctions. Despite the fact that the maximum number of commentators agrees with the interpretation of “miraculous” participation in various aspects of our life (judging by the number of pluses, which are double-digit numbers for posts on this topic), nevertheless, only by the complaint of the next “miracle-yuda” ", which strictly monitors the statements of visitors on the subject of discussion of the" miraculous "question, the administration, despite the opinion of the overwhelming majority, instantly" takes action ". What do you want in those areas where there is no feedback, and what we cannot influence?
  5. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 15 June 2013 15: 31 New
    +2
    In the Fatherland and Freedom there are those who regret the collapse of the USSR ????? Yes, I won’t believe it; rather, some for the electorate said yes we are sorry.
    This is how history is rewritten, then after 50-70 years, people on Sait (if there are still Sait) will argue, but how it really was in 2013. And some of us who will survive (if they can) to advanced years will laugh at the posts of young people who will not know a damn how it really was request
    1. experienced
      experienced 15 June 2013 15: 34 New
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      . And some of us who will survive (if they can) to advanced years will laugh at the posts of young people who will not know a damn how it really was

      Yes, now you can urge on the knowledge of contemporaries. It is enough to recall an interview with Zhirkov’s wife.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 16 June 2013 10: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Yes, I won’t believe it; rather, some for the electorate said yes we are sorry.

      SAY SUCH voters of Freedom = political suicide! The electorate of the electoral association Freedom (in Ukrainian-IN Freedom), as the prominent Soviet satirist Arkady Raikin said: "spisfisky"
  6. Alexey M
    Alexey M 15 June 2013 15: 48 New
    +6
    Oh, and hard for you, the brothers live in Ukraine! In Russia, the truth is also enough freaks, but not to such an extent.
  7. cartridge
    cartridge 15 June 2013 16: 52 New
    +2
    Ukraine is turning into some kind of nursery of diligently swallowed inhabitants and an incubator of moral monsters in power.
    The first was assigned the role he endured, due to which the second category leads many years of rat fuss around power seats for the benefit of his pocket.
    1. vlad1
      vlad1 16 June 2013 13: 07 New
      0
      I don’t argue about freaks in power, and there’s no one to choose from, so I don’t go to the polls, but for the people in vain you’re not in a much better position.
  8. krez-74
    krez-74 15 June 2013 16: 59 New
    +3
    And everything is simple, a piece separated from Russia is divided into even smaller formations - you will see!
  9. Dovmont
    Dovmont 15 June 2013 17: 09 New
    +4
    Still, it would be interesting to know the name of this paskudnik - the director! Although we have enough scum! It is enough to recall the film "Bastards", this tub of the most unbridled lies, poured on our viewer! But there were famous and beloved actors filming there !! And I wanted to spit on them in the selling thorn: "What lackeys, are you ready to fall out of any shit for loot?" What about the 9th company? After this film, I can’t watch Bondarchuk Jr. without a contemptuous smile. And besides, from a film to a film he makes a brutal appearance - he takes himself off, by himself and admires the daffodil Narcissus!
    1. experienced
      experienced 15 June 2013 17: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: Dovmont
      And yet it would be interesting to know the name of this paskudnik - the director!


      Igor Kobrin, but his photo, only the monitor laughing
      1. Dovmont
        Dovmont 15 June 2013 17: 54 New
        +7
        Thanks for the photo))) But I still had to wipe the monitor)
      2. omsbon
        omsbon 15 June 2013 20: 10 New
        +2
        Thank you Alexey!
        I will remember the face of this Mr. N! He lives somewhere in the world, receives prizes, and he himself has rotted from the inside.
    2. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan 15 June 2013 21: 32 New
      +2
      And yet it would be interesting to know the name of this paskudnik - the director!
      Do not forget, there is more than one Kobrin, there you have to plant a whole kodla for a stake.
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  11. Valery-SPB
    Valery-SPB 15 June 2013 17: 38 New
    +2
    The catastrophic failures of the Red Army in the early days of the war are connected ... But try to guess what they are connected with. Not with surprise attacks. Not with a high level of training of the enemy, who had previously conquered all of Europe. Not with that, of course, the banal fact that in the places where the main blow was delivered, the Wehrmacht had three to four times superior power.

    If I misunderstood, sorry! The author of the article, using the method of negation, nevertheless claims that the failures of the Red Army in the first days of the war are really connected precisely:
    with surprise attacks;
    with a high level of enemy training;
    with the commonplace fact of 3-4-fold superiority in power?

    "The concentration of a large number of troops caused us particular concern. In the same time
    disturbed lack of combat readiness of our armed forces located in the western military districts ...
    ... in view of the complexity of the military-political situation, it is necessary to accept Urgent measures and on time eliminate existing deficiencies... "
    The future Marshal of Victory drew these conclusions from January 1 to February 15, judging by "Memoirs and Reflections" (Ed. 1971, pp. 207-208).

    "The initial failures of the Red Army showed some commanders in an unfavorable light. They were unable to ... lead the troops ..., remaining captive to the old ideas." (Marshal A.M. Vasilevsky. “The Work of All Life”, 1974, p. 127).

    "The directive of the district headquarters dated June 16, 1941, prescribed the entire 200th division ... Kissing my wife and sons, I had little doubt that I was going to war." (Colonel General I.I. Ludnikov. "Life-Long Road", 1985, p. 6).

    German Air Force, with a 31,2 percent share of fighters (this is 1248) from a total fleet of 4000 aircraft, the Soviet Air Force opposed with 2030 fighters of new types and 3311 old, total 5341. (Fighters!). (Data from the monograph by MN Kozhevnikov "Command and Staff of the Air Force of the Soviet Army in the Second World War 1941-1945, 1978, pp. 14-16).

    You can still quote General Sandalov (former headquarters of the 4th Army near Brest), but ... the book was published in those years (links only to Soviet publications).
    1. gladysheff2010
      gladysheff2010 16 June 2013 00: 05 New
      0
      Read the literature, there were: and surprise, the Soviet leadership and Stalin personally did not want to see unwanted intelligence reports; and a high level of enemy training, taking into account the combat experience of the German units, as well as the industrial potential of all of Europe behind Hitler; and the banal fact of superiority, again in the main areas of shock. Sad but true. So this very director, Liar, Scoundrel, Henchman and Scoundrel in one bottle, is also a fact! negative
      1. Valery-SPB
        Valery-SPB 16 June 2013 07: 20 New
        0
        Quote: gladysheff2010
        Read the literature, there were: and surprise, the Soviet leadership and Stalin personally did not want to see unwanted intelligence reports; and a high level of enemy training, taking into account the combat experience of the German units, as well as the industrial potential of all of Europe behind Hitler; and the banal fact of superiority, again in the main areas of shock. Sad but true. So this very director, Liar, Scoundrel, Henchman and Scoundrel in one bottle, is also a fact! negative

        As for the director - this is not for me, I did not discuss it. I saw only the first two series, corny, nothing new.
        You to me comrade Do not hold Stalin for a fool! In the same memoirs of the Soviet period, comrade Marshal Baghramyan (in June 41 still a colonel) speaks of the advancement of the front command of the U.Z. front by June 22 and with, beginning, the number 20.
        You keep the same military for fools? If Marshal Zhukov in January 41 sees the flaws, the concentration of the likely enemy and wants to take urgent measures, then why does not accept? Comrade Molotov himself asks him if there will be a war?
        At the same meeting (according to Zhukov): “- Especially few fighter aircraft,” added S. Timoshenko. ” Figures compare! Tymoshenko did not write memoirs. Zhukov is unlimited in fantasy.
        That the red military did not know the classic formula of the necessary three-fold superiority in the strike direction?
        In Russia, winter is always a surprise ... for utilities! laughing
  12. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 15 June 2013 17: 43 New
    +6
    He doesn’t understand, bastard, that if we hadn’t won the Great Patriotic War, he would have been a swineherd at the German burgher, if he had ever been. There are no normal words on such.
  13. Ilyas
    Ilyas 15 June 2013 17: 56 New
    +4
    I hope the filmets, besides inside the Outskirts themselves (not in a bad sense, but borders), will not be in demand anywhere, because - nonsense. It is a pity that he will just lie smoothly and completely in the heads of youth (the head is empty in his youth). But the hollow-headed Nazis (not patriots!) Is the "creation" just right, to bleat with pleasure.

    In the information war, the RT channel is gaining more and more territory. Congratulate them on their next victory: http://russian.rt.com/article/10668
  14. Grenz
    Grenz 15 June 2013 18: 03 New
    +5
    US ARMY FIELD CHARTER FM 90-8
    "Counter-Partisan Operations"
    (Note: the term “partisans” means all destructive forces (including the supposedly “liberal opposition”). At the same time, they act strictly according to this charter, since they receive diverse support up to the proposal of the masters in puppet governments)
    The charter can be downloaded on the Internet and make sure that modern, supposedly, “oppositionists” are just soldiers of the invisible front on the side of our enemy. Moreover, the fighters are very active, and I must admit, sometimes even talented and inventive in their pathological hatred of their homeland and a bitch of devotion to the enemy.
    Here are the provisions from the charter, which are implemented by the 5th column, in particular in the preparation of such samples of film production.
    2-6. Political factors.
    ... guerrillas will try to disrupt the normal work of the government, eliminate key government figures and their capabilities in order to reduce the level of government control in the territory.
    2-7. Social factors.
    A large stratification of society is a great opportunity for disappointment among the general population. Partisans will try to increase friction between different groups in society. These groups can be divided according to racial, ethnic, religious or social grounds. Linguistic differences and traditions can also be causes of separation. Religious influence can play a significant role in social factors that affect partisan activities.
    2-8. Economic forces.
    Low living standards and a desire for economic reform can be common causes of government frustration. Like political and social factors, a greater level of frustration with government economic policies means better opportunities for partisans to succeed. Partisans are looking for an opportunity to use this situation through psychological operations. Since partisans extract the bulk of their material support from the local economy, they usually will not radically destroy it. Partisans will destroy elements of the local economy in the territory as a lesson to residents living there to receive additional help from them or to ensure their obedience.
  15. redwar6
    redwar6 15 June 2013 18: 23 New
    +2
    Good day to all hi .
    Power is in the truth.
    They want to make excuses to humanity? Or to whom? Before the geyropa? Forward. In the Initiate, the Sadomites have already divorced, I don’t want to, even more. They were given the right, but you yourself know. But I doubt that they will be able to cover up 14 million civilians casualties, the very small number of victims among the civilian population of Germany (mostly died from propaganda and bombing (and, in most cases, not our bombing)). And the Galicia’s division will be hard to forget just like that. Politsaev, Bandera, and other evil spirits . Well, or have to oh-oh-really try.
  16. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 15 June 2013 18: 40 New
    +4
    The Soviet Union is still alive and the struggle with it is still ongoing.
  17. sashka
    sashka 15 June 2013 19: 20 New
    +2
    Is the movie already at the box office? In order to discuss it is necessary at least to look. (Maybe the advertising campaign is built on this ???) Where is the movie "twisted" ??
  18. knn54
    knn54 15 June 2013 21: 05 New
    +3
    The film was shown on the TV channel "Ukraine". We discussed each part in the program (in my opinion) "Ukraine Speaks". Suvorov / Rezun also took part.
    There are logical inconsistencies, links to UNCONFIRMED or obviously FALSE / FABRICATED “documents”.
    1. “thanks to the Kremlin, Hitler came to power” ... By 1930, Germany completely revived the economy and took the second place in the world in terms of industrial production, but:
    "I.G. Farbenindustrii" - which financed Hitler’s election campaign in 45, was under the control of Rockefeller’s Standard Oil;
    AEG-by 1933, 30% of the shares belong to General Electric;
    Siemens - through the ITT communications company, 40% of the shares are also owned by General Electric;
    Fokke-Wulf - 30% of the shares again belong to General Electric;
    "Opel" ("Blitz") - control by General Motors;
    "Volkswagen" -FULL control !!! 100% owned by Henry Ford;
    In 1926, with the participation of Rockefeller Bank Dilon Reed & Co., the second largest industrial monopoly of Germany, the metallurgical concern Fereinigte Stahlwerke (Steel Trust), Thyssen, Flick, Wolf and Fegler, and others, arose after I.G. Farbenindustri ...
    2. According to the MP-41 (mobilization plan for 1941), the size of the wartime army should be 8 people. However, at the beginning of the war, by June 682, the number of the Red Army was only 827 million people. -Stalin was preparing to attack Germany WITHOUT MOBILIZATION OF THE ARMY.
    3. "The Soviet Union created a classic 3-fold advantage on the western border for the attack ..."
    In reality, the number of the Red Army was ~ 77,5% of the number of the Wehrmacht with its allies.
    However, for some reason Kobrin believes that the forces located in Finland should not be taken into account.
    Etc
    But the film was made soundly, with a CALCULATION on youth, and not on people who KNOW history and or simply the older generation
    PS “Russians cannot be defeated, we have seen this for hundreds of years. But Russians can instill false values, and then they will defeat themselves. ” Otto von Bismarck
    1. sashka
      sashka 15 June 2013 21: 24 New
      0
      Where can I see? Pirate video? Then they will put me in prison or punish the ruble. Generally what is the conversation about. I don’t want to go to jail, but I can’t discuss what I haven’t seen and can’t watch .. What kind of “...” brought this up for discussion ...
      1. Proud.
        Proud. 15 June 2013 21: 56 New
        +1
        You can download it. Here is http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4349632
    2. Atlon
      Atlon 16 June 2013 05: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: knn54
      PS “Russians cannot be defeated, we have seen this for hundreds of years. But Russians can instill false values, and then they will defeat themselves. ” Otto von Bismarck

      In a nearby branch, he was punished for trying to explain how the “miracles-yuds” brought Hitler to power, how many “miraculous-yudsky” factories worked for the Hitler’s defense, and who really steers the world ... One of the local “miracle yuds”, was accused of insulting veterans (with my shoulder straps ?! laughing ) and subjected to obstruction by the administration. wink So you are more careful with the listing of "miraculous" companies, and the "holy" name of Rockefeller ... Mossad does not sleep, comrade ... bully
  19. Savva30
    Savva30 15 June 2013 21: 50 New
    +1
    It’s high time to start a competent INFORMATION WAR, while we have only “attempts” ...
  20. phantom359
    phantom359 15 June 2013 22: 13 New
    +1
    Complete nonsense. I tried to look - the spirit did not have enough to digest it. Especially the voice-over, soulful of this, well, a true connoisseur of history.)
  21. georg737577
    georg737577 15 June 2013 22: 15 New
    0
    "... slightly outweighs the alignment of political forces in a particular republic ..."
    What kind of republic are we talking about? Ukraine seems to have long been a separate country ...
  22. individual
    individual 15 June 2013 22: 26 New
    +2
    The distortion of history did not begin yesterday.
    Remember how openly anti-Soviet, anti-Russian films “Red Heat”, “Presidential Aircraft”, “Red Scorpion”, “Dance on the Blade”, “HUNT FOR THE RED OCTOBER” and other paid by the Russian Ministry of Culture were shown on the screens of Russia.
    Pay attention to the "creativity" of M. Gelman with his caricatures of the low base "scenes of the future Olympics in Sochi." It is demonstrated with our money at the Perm Museum with the support of the past governor O. Chirkunov, and now the real V. Basargin.
    What to do? How to survive the abomination of those in power in our culture?
    1. Proud.
      Proud. 15 June 2013 22: 33 New
      +3
      One episode in "Red Scorpion" is very good. From a humorous point of view.This one
  23. Petrovich
    Petrovich 15 June 2013 22: 53 New
    +2
    Over the past 20 years, "whistleblowers" - distortors - have been divorced, as if our children would not have to learn history from their books - films ...
  24. fatty
    fatty 16 June 2013 00: 39 New
    +1
    I know the currency of Zhoronkin, appreciate and respect the site, however. I agree with him. current cinema is a nominal subculture, like current music.
  25. Zomanus
    Zomanus 16 June 2013 04: 14 New
    0
    In Russia, all this rot should be cleaned up for a start. And then they look at Mikhalkov’s “films” and do the same.
  26. combat192
    combat192 16 June 2013 04: 28 New
    +1
    Our misfortune is that DARK NOT ALL ARCHIVES from WWII were declassified. Yes, you can read openly about the actions of this or that Army, well, maybe the divisions (in general terms). And somehow I tried to dig up data on the actions of tactical intelligence (specifically - pp 1832 glanders). With my form tolerance, I received a lapel-turn once.
    In this area, it would be nice to learn from the Americans. In the United States, the Pentagon publishes separate stories of each type of armed forces in a war: army - 96 volumes, air force - 20 volumes, fleet - 12 volumes. The fighting is described in detail up to and including the company.
    PS If the Americans read it.
    The forum stubbornly does not accept the word "n and d about s", try typing.
    1. Valery-SPB
      Valery-SPB 16 June 2013 07: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: combat192
      Our misfortune is that DARK NOT ALL ARCHIVES from WWII were declassified. Yes, you can read openly about the actions of this or that Army, well, maybe the divisions (in general terms). And somehow I tried to dig up data on the actions of tactical intelligence (specifically - pp 1832 glanders). With my form tolerance, I received a lapel-turn once.


      Until now, TsAMO has instructions on the prohibition of admission of a certain type of documents. Get a document that write a monograph on the instructions of the Institute of Military History recourse
  27. nomad
    nomad 16 June 2013 07: 17 New
    +6
    Heard a legend, As if once upon a time
    This country was inhabited by giants.
    Like living
    Strange fate:
    Were ready for work and battle
    From lack
    Bread and meat raved about Marx,
    Victory and Mars
    Snow taiga
    Arctic gloomy,
    Bright stars over Baikonur, Hot Flames, Abyss bottomless ... They built mines, dams and blast furnaces. And they were mistaken, And they won. Waiting for guests from an unthinkable distance. Through the cannonade Bloody massacres Rushed to collapse into tall grass, Blackened in snow, Into water and clay ... They raised their scarlet flag over Berlin. They walked from the collective farm Onion beds To the Olympics, Afghanistan, detente. They walked through the patterns And the stencils, They walked, carrying the planet along with them, They wrote a Good Tale with Blood. Even their mistakes were gigantic. They believed, faith In the heart of cherishing, In the infallibility of speeches from the Mausoleum, They knew that their sickle and hammer were right, They knew that the world was only split for a while, That was not forever Pain and sorrow ... But they crushed. Alas, they shredded ... Their descendants hid timidly In the musty silence of cabinet cabinets, They think standardly, They do not rave about Dahlia, Credit is reduced lifelessly with debit, They dream finely, They rarely think ... There is nothing left of them from their ancestors.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 16 June 2013 09: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Nomad
      Heard a legend, As if once upon a time
      This country was inhabited by giants.

      Captivatingly!
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    3. vkrav
      vkrav 16 June 2013 11: 02 New
      0
      Author-Alexey Guskov
    4. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 17 June 2013 23: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Nomad

      I heard a legend
      As if once
      This country was inhabited by giants.
      Like living
      Strange fate:
      Were ready for work and battle
      From lack
      Bread and meat
      They raved about Marx, Victory and Mars,
      Snow taiga
      Arctic gloomy,
      Bright stars over Baikonur
      Hot flame
      The bottomless bottomless ...
      They built mines, dams and blast furnaces.
      And they were mistaken
      And they won.
      Waiting for guests from an unthinkable distance.
      Through the cannonade
      Massacre of blood
      Rushed to collapse into tall grasses
      Blackened in the snow
      Into the water and clay ...
      Scarlet flag was hoisted over Berlin.
      We went from the collective farm
      Onion beds
      To the Olympics, Afghanistan, detente.
      Walked through patterns
      And the stencils
      They walked along carrying the planet
      They wrote a good fairy tale with blood.
      Even their mistakes were gigantic.
      Believed, faith
      In the heart of cherishing
      In the infallibility of speeches from the Mausoleum,
      They knew that they were right
      Their sickle and hammer,
      They knew that the world was only split for a while,
      What is not forever
      Pain and sorrow ...
      But crushed. Alas, crushed ...
      Their descendants
      Timidly hiding
      In the musty silence of cabinet boxes
      Think standard
      They don’t rave about the distance
      Reduce credit lifelessly with debit
      Finely dream
      They rarely think ...
      There is nothing left of their ancestors in them.

      Awesome verse! I read it for the first time. Huge rakhmet!
  28. Corsair
    Corsair 16 June 2013 09: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    And I won’t write anything on the topic of the article. Moderators will still delete what I think about this bad person.

    Let me clarify, didn’t you like the article, or its author?
  29. nomad
    nomad 16 June 2013 09: 58 New
    +1
    I wonder how on May 9 these people will look into the eyes of veterans!
  30. Mr.M
    Mr.M 16 June 2013 10: 15 New
    +1
    Director, yeah. We saw such "directors", they are kept in the next chamber with the "Napoleons".

    What struck me unpleasantly was, so to speak, human rot in the movie forums, which puts 10 / 10 on this creation, sheds tears of crocodiles and screams about the damned Red Army soldiers and the billions of innocently killed victims. And this means, alas, the fact that the tape found its audience.
    1. Skifo
      Skifo 16 June 2013 18: 40 New
      +1
      I agree. This is largely due to the blurred consciousness of a large part of people (and not always youth). After 20 years, after all, people have been brainwashed!
  31. Pushkar
    Pushkar 16 June 2013 10: 38 New
    0
    In fact, Kobrin is a very ordinary person. Originally from Lviv, PR began from Chernobyl, then the justification and glorification of Bandera and Shukhevych, the deployment of the thesis of Kuchma "Ukraine is not Russia" on the 23rd series and further in the same spirit. Quite a Galician "star" of a yard scale. Did someone expect objectivity from the rat?
  32. Black
    Black 16 June 2013 10: 42 New
    0
    But he is afraid because he understands: these free people will sweep away his totalitarian regime in the same way as the Bolshevik power.

    "Now all the deadlines are over
    And at the camp gate
    What a cross-on-a-boarded up
    The inscription- "EVERYONE WENT TO THE FRONT !!

    For our sins forgive us, -
    After all, we have such a people:
    If Homeland is in danger -
    So, everyone should go to the front.

    There is a year - for three, if God keeps, -
    As in the camp standings.
    Today we are on an equal footing with the VOKhRami,
    Today everyone is going to the front. "

    This is true!

    And the film is truly Velikoukrovsky. IMHO the creators of the film, or rather, the solicitors divided all forces into 3 groups. Some fought with the Wehrmacht, others with the Red Army, and still some MOST RIGHTS fought with both of them.
    .... it’s a pity they didn’t finish all ...
  33. Anti
    Anti 16 June 2013 14: 33 New
    +1
    it’s a pity that there are no special units to combat such, well, for example, there you’ll rechtanut face and so on, others would have thought whether it is worth filming or writing.
  34. Skifo
    Skifo 16 June 2013 18: 27 New
    0
    We would like our authorities, first of all, to take up not the protection of copyright, but the content written by the authors: for example, to check all school history textbooks and it is probably even better to release the only non-distorting history for schools. And do not care that the West will yell about this!
  35. tsiter
    tsiter 16 June 2013 19: 09 New
    -1
    I want to share with you my recent discovery, this is a service for finding any information about a person! As I saw, I looked and thought that it was all a divorce, but after a minute I was horrified to see all the information about myself, about my friends, about my boyfriend! There is literally everything there and it's all in the public domain! Here you take a look = - rf / geB