Movies are the most important of the arts: to the show about the war in the spirit of sensation

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Even the most stupid design can be done masterfully. There are, for example, a television director, whose professional development comes at the height of the “documentary” about giant rats in the Moscow metro, the abduction of homo sapiens by unidentified flying objects, the secrets of fishmen and the breaking of covers from stories. And, let's say, such a director receives an order to create a documentary series about the Great Patriotic War from the Ukrainian channel, owned by the country's largest oligarch. Is it possible to make such a film in a sensational format?

Recall that the yard 2013-th year. Everything that can be exposed has long been exposed. Archives, on closeness of which they blamed before, opened. Key memes: the USSR began the war, Marshal Zhukov showered the enemies with corpses, SMERSH is identical to the Gestapo - not just known to the reader, but in the light version are already present in the school textbook.

At first glance, the task of shocking the viewer is initially impossible. However, the movie “1941. The forbidden truth proves the opposite by its existence. Its creator (yes, the name of this laureate of many Soviet, Ukrainian and international awards will be erased from human memory) has found author solutions that really introduce scenes into the documentary that have not become prohibited only due to lack of understanding of the criminal code in the current version.

In the Forbidden Truth TV series, the Red Army shoots 14-year-olds while retreating. Adolf Hitler loses World War II only because he is afraid of abandoning sabotage teams in the Gulag area and freeing millions of Soviet prisoners. And he is afraid because he understands: these free people will sweep away his totalitarian regime in the same way as the Bolshevik power. The catastrophic failures of the Red Army in the first days of the war are connected ... And try to guess what they are connected with. Not with surprise attacks. Not with a high level of training of the enemy, who conquered all of Europe before. Not with that, of course, the banal fact that the Wehrmacht had a three-to-fourfold superiority in forces in the places of the main attack. And where he didn’t, the situation was far from the classic blitzkrieg. No - the June 1941 disaster of the year was provoked by the activities of the anti-Soviet underground, which instantly intensified with the start of the war.

The fact that, according to the film, ours are exactly on the western side of the front (and everything is fine with them in 1941 year), against the background of all the above, does not cause any special complaints. Such a view would have the right to exist. Be it honestly justified (why the author identifies himself with those who tried to conquer his own homeland) and expressed correctly, at least from a historical point of view.

In all respects, the 5-serial fiction film, shot in the spirit of the battle of psychics, could be put on a par with similar creations, but it’s still on a different theme. On the historical. And what history means for politics is well demonstrated by a recent sociological survey describing the attitude to the disintegration of the Soviet Union in the context of the political preferences of the respondents.

In total in Ukraine there are 41% of those who regret the collapse of the USSR, but they are distributed very unevenly among the parties. Among supporters of "Freedom" such 5%. Among the communists - 81%. In the Party of Regions - 58%. By "Batkivschyna" and "Stroke" indicators 26% and 21%, respectively. But if party sympathies correlate with attitudes toward the USSR, then this rule obviously works in a different direction. That is, attitude to the past (in this case, the Soviet one) influences party sympathies. Shaping attitudes towards historical events, including such as the Great Patriotic War, can influence political orientation.

This is not a discovery, and few people will deny the role of perception of history on the formation of a citizen. And the role of films as well. However, in the figures of party sympathies, it looks even clearer. Ultimately, the signal that is sent in the form of a historical film (school lesson, book, speech), according to the reported vessels, should sooner or later reach the political self-determination of the citizen.

It is clear that the effect of individual actions is scanty. The “Forbidden Truth” pinches some microscopic fraction from the desired 41% - and slightly outweighs the alignment of political forces in a particular republic. Unless, of course, will not cause a backlash. There are already all claims to the mastery of the director, who for some reason decided to squeeze out a few sensational discoveries from 1941, instead of working on a school textbook. But in principle - it works. And it can not work.
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  1. +28
    15 June 2013 15: 08
    Not surprised. If Russia openly shoots anti-Russian films, then what can we really demand from directors from other countries hi
    1. +17
      15 June 2013 15: 55
      For such a movie,
      I cut you need to beat in e..o,
      To know this mouflon,
      Whom the loaf crumbles to angry
    2. +7
      15 June 2013 18: 55
      For fun, I started watching "4 days in May" ... sick. Interestingly, where Merzlikin gave his 100% in "Brest Fortress" or this vomit. So while we shoot all sorts of bastards ourselves, we cannot poke others like that.
    3. +3
      16 June 2013 11: 09
      I watched this "masterpiece". Memories of some leftist veterans, not a single "fact" is supported by a historical document. One feels that the creators are clear fans of Nikita Besogon's work.
  2. YARY
    +23
    15 June 2013 15: 11
    There are many people on the site who fully perceive the "forbidden truth", they also perceive Afghanistan and Libya and Yugoslavia and Syria. They are ready to sell or sell anything and everything, without exception!
    Many have washed up this Mr. to our shore.
    1. +14
      15 June 2013 15: 26
      Rather, it would have been quieter. Tired of looking at all this. At 80m I could not even imagine such a thing even in my worst dreams. Disgust and impotence is what I always feel when I see this. A little more and for all this muck will become History. That's what a shame.
    2. +5
      15 June 2013 15: 42
      Quote: Ardent
      There are many on the site who fully perceive the "forbidden truth", they also perceive Afghanistan and Libya and Yugoslavia and Syriyu. They are ready to sell or sell anything and everything, without exception!
      Many have washed up this Mr. to our shore.
      Hi Andrew. The truth is always in the middle. Everything is bad for deprived offenders; everything is good for minions of fate. Nada is afraid of both those who say that everything is bad, and those who say that everything is wonderful.
      1. +5
        15 June 2013 15: 46
        Quote: Mechanic
        We must be afraid of both those who say that everything is bad, and those who say that everything is wonderful.

        With all due respect hi I'll correct it a little, you don't need to be afraid of anyone and you need to form your own opinion based on the analysis of information and from the "decadent" and "URYalkin"
        1. SASCHAmIXEEW
          +1
          16 June 2013 10: 06
          Do not believe, do not be afraid, do not ask! The law of life !!!
      2. YARY
        +4
        15 June 2013 16: 23
        Zhenya good afternoon!
        The rule of the golden mean, operates in a balanced society and only in a period of calm (relative).
        Is it possible to call our society calm and balanced?
        That’s why there is a movement in the minds of radicalism and reaction. And sadly, I have to admit that this is the only correct way of thinking in this time period.
        "You can't pull the bow forever" and in our country he is extremely tight ....
      3. +5
        15 June 2013 20: 26
        Quote: Mechanic
        The truth is always in the middle

        Good evening, friends!
        The truth is in the archives, in the memoirs and memoirs of the participants, in good books!
        You and I should, whenever possible, expose these scumbags-Pvdo historians! It is impossible in such cases to be silent! I understand that we are not public people and do not loom in the TV screens, but it is impossible to remain silent at the everyday level.
    3. +16
      15 June 2013 15: 48
      Quote: Ardent
      There are many people on the site who fully perceive the "forbidden truth", they also perceive Afghanistan and Libya and Yugoslavia and Syria


      A very good brainwashing film for those who do not want to study history. All fakes in one bottle, very convenient. Immediately prepare this product after viewing ..... lol
      1. YARY
        +3
        15 June 2013 16: 26
        Stanislav good day!
        The size is small .....
        But the direction of thought is correct.
        1. +2
          15 June 2013 16: 53
          Quote: Ardent
          Stanislav good day!
          The size is small ...


          Andrei! Good day! As experienced ladies say, size does not matter. it's all about technology ... So in this case
          1. YARY
            0
            15 June 2013 17: 24
            laughing laughing laughing
            So oh identity !!! laughing
            1. Dovmont
              +2
              15 June 2013 19: 31
              Esmarch's mug (pictured) is suitable for any size - for 100 years it has been tested in thousands of domestic clinics)))
      2. Atlon
        0
        16 June 2013 05: 05
        Quote: Ascetic
        A very good brainwashing movie for those

        By posting a photo of enemas in your comments, are you hinting that those who can be brainwashed with this "masterpiece" are in the ass? wink
        1. +2
          16 June 2013 08: 34
          Quote: Atlon
          Quote: Ascetic
          A very good brainwashing movie for those

          By posting a photo of enemas in your comments, are you hinting that those who can be brainwashed with this "masterpiece" are in the ass? wink


          Sorry to interfere, but you can watch and believe in "forbidden p ... du" only if the brains are in the hinted place.
    4. Captain Vrungel
      +5
      15 June 2013 20: 35
      Friends! 22 years have passed since one pallet for a prize and three local bastards over a bottle of vodka destroyed the Soviet Union. Even 30 year olds have a relative concept of that state, and thanks to corrupt historians, writers and the media, we have ordered material from crooks in power. There is a wonderful film "The Unknown War". There is a story. It should be played before the Great Victory Day, as they play "Enjoy Your Bath" before the New Year, and not this rubbish, where from the first frame you don't believe the actors, who have no idea about that time.
      Not surprisingly, the film put a well-deserved tray of all time. He knew then who and how to lick his ass, he adapted himself and today the oligarch not only lick his ass, but also wet his apron. The truth about the war lives among the people, turns into epics.
      1. +2
        15 June 2013 20: 55
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        There is a wonderful film "The Unknown War".
        Indeed, a piercing serial. In addition to the vivid documentary material, everything in it is permeated with warmth for the difficult fate that befell the Soviet people then, and you will never forget the music from "Unknown War" ... soldier And I won’t write anything on the topic of the article. Moderators will still delete what I think about this bad person.
  3. fisherman
    +3
    15 June 2013 15: 19
    One must be careful with the memories of ANY eyewitness. Eyewitnesses see only what they see, perception of what they see in general is an individual thing. Two people ALWAYS perceive what they see differently in different ways, but they tell in general differently. Moreover, a person is inclined to change the perception of what he saw over time, and often simply under the influence of "public" opinion.
  4. +3
    15 June 2013 15: 28
    The influence of Western puppeteers is obvious, they have taught their peoples to learn history from films and comics, and now they are actively promoting it in Ukraine. And I must say, not without success, today's young people are too lazy to read something serious. It's easier to watch a movie, watch a comic book and why at the same time still think, everything is chewed and served. And here on the site such manifestations are also present. The world is going to hell .....
    1. +3
      15 June 2013 16: 46
      Quote: piotr534
      The influence of Western puppeteers is obvious

      And this influence increased during the time of the beekeeper-president. And his wife, imported, tried.
    2. Atlon
      0
      16 June 2013 05: 15
      Quote: piotr534
      The influence of Western puppeteers is obvious

      Well, these "miracles-yuds" will not miss their own. Even here, on the website, touching on the "miracle-yudskoy" issue instantly leads to sanctions. Despite the fact that the maximum number of commentators agrees with the interpretation of the "miraculous" participation in different aspects of our life (judging by the number of pluses, which are double-digit numbers for posts on this topic), nevertheless, only on the complaint of another "miracle-yuda" ", which strictly monitors the statements of visitors on the subject of discussion of the" miraculous "issue, the administration, regardless of the opinion of the overwhelming majority, immediately" takes action. " What do you want in those areas where there is no feedback, and what we cannot influence?
  5. +2
    15 June 2013 15: 31
    In the Fatherland and Freedom there are those who regret the collapse of the USSR ????? Yes, I won’t believe it; rather, some for the electorate said yes we are sorry.
    This is how history is rewritten, then after 50-70 years, people on Sait (if there are still Sait) will argue, but how it really was in 2013. And some of us who will survive (if they can) to advanced years will laugh at the posts of young people who will not know a damn how it really was request
    1. +5
      15 June 2013 15: 34
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      . And some of us who will survive (if they can) to advanced years will laugh at the posts of young people who will not know a damn how it really was

      Yes, now you can urge on the knowledge of contemporaries. It is enough to recall an interview with Zhirkov’s wife.
    2. 0
      16 June 2013 10: 49
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Yes, I won’t believe it; rather, some for the electorate said yes we are sorry.

      To say THIS to the voters of Svoboda = political suicide! The electorate of the electoral association Svoboda (in Ukrainian - VO Svoboda), as the outstanding Soviet satirist Arkady Raikin said: "spisfisky"
  6. +6
    15 June 2013 15: 48
    Oh, and hard for you, the brothers live in Ukraine! In Russia, the truth is also enough freaks, but not to such an extent.
  7. cartridge
    +2
    15 June 2013 16: 52
    Ukraine is turning into some kind of nursery of diligently swallowed inhabitants and an incubator of moral monsters in power.
    The first was assigned the role he endured, due to which the second category leads many years of rat fuss around power seats for the benefit of his pocket.
    1. vlad1
      0
      16 June 2013 13: 07
      I don’t argue about freaks in power, and there’s no one to choose from, so I don’t go to the polls, but for the people in vain you’re not in a much better position.
  8. +3
    15 June 2013 16: 59
    And everything is simple, a piece separated from Russia is divided into even smaller formations - you will see!
  9. Dovmont
    +4
    15 June 2013 17: 09
    And all the same it would be interesting to know the name of this filthy filmmaker, although we have enough of such filth! Suffice it to recall the film "Bastards", this tub of the most unbridled lies, poured out on our viewer! But famous and beloved by the people actors were filmed there !! So I wanted to spit on them selling thorns: "What lackeys, are ready to roll in any shit for loot?" And the "9th company"? After this film, I can't look at Bondarchuk Jr. without a contemptuous smile. And besides, from film to film, he poses as a brutal - he takes pictures of himself, and Narcissus admires himself, bald!
    1. +4
      15 June 2013 17: 15
      Quote: Dovmont
      And yet it would be interesting to know the name of this paskudnik - the director!


      Igor Kobrin, but his photo, only the monitor laughing
      1. Dovmont
        +7
        15 June 2013 17: 54
        Thanks for the photo))) But I still had to wipe the monitor)
      2. +2
        15 June 2013 20: 10
        Thank you Alexey!
        I will remember the face of this Mr. N! He lives somewhere in the world, receives prizes, and he himself has rotted from the inside.
    2. +2
      15 June 2013 21: 32
      And yet it would be interesting to know the name of this paskudnik - the director!
      Do not forget, there is more than one Kobrin, there you have to plant a whole kodla for a stake.
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  11. +2
    15 June 2013 17: 38
    The catastrophic failures of the Red Army in the early days of the war are connected ... But try to guess what they are connected with. Not with surprise attacks. Not with a high level of training of the enemy, who had previously conquered all of Europe. Not with that, of course, the banal fact that in the places where the main blow was delivered, the Wehrmacht had three to four times superior power.

    If I misunderstood, sorry! The author of the article, using the method of negation, nevertheless claims that the failures of the Red Army in the first days of the war are really connected precisely:
    with surprise attacks;
    with a high level of enemy training;
    with the commonplace fact of 3-4-fold superiority in power?

    "The concentration of a large number of troops caused us particular concern. In the same time
    disturbed lack of combat readiness of our armed forces located in the western military districts ...
    ... in view of the complexity of the military-political situation, it is necessary to accept Urgent measures and on time eliminate existing deficiencies..."
    The future Marshal of Victory made these conclusions in the period from January 1 to February 15, judging by the "Memories and Reflections" (Publishing House 1971, pp. 207-208).

    "The initial failures of the Red Army showed some commanders in an unfavorable light. They were unable ... to lead the troops ..., remaining in captivity of old ideas." (Marshal A.M. Vasilevsky. "The work of all life", 1974, p. 127).

    "By the directive of the district headquarters of June 16, 1941, the 200th division was prescribed in full force ... Kissing my wife and sons, I had almost no doubt that I was leaving for the war." (Colonel-General I.I.Lyudnikov. "A Life-Long Road", 1985, page 6).

    German Air Force, with a 31,2 percent share of fighters (this is 1248) from a total fleet of 4000 aircraft, the Soviet Air Force opposed with 2030 fighters of new types and 3311 old, total 5341... (Fighters!) (Data from the monograph by M.N. Kozhevnikov "Command and headquarters of the Air Force of the Soviet Army in WWII 1941-1945, 1978, pp. 14-16).

    You can still quote General Sandalov (former headquarters of the 4th Army near Brest), but ... the book was published in those years (links only to Soviet publications).
    1. 0
      16 June 2013 00: 05
      Read the literature, there were: and surprise, the Soviet leadership and Stalin personally did not want to see unwanted intelligence reports; and a high level of enemy training, taking into account the combat experience of the German units, as well as the industrial potential of all of Europe behind Hitler; and the banal fact of superiority, again in the main areas of shock. Sad but true. So this very director, Liar, Scoundrel, Henchman and Scoundrel in one bottle, is also a fact! negative
      1. 0
        16 June 2013 07: 20
        Quote: gladysheff2010
        Read the literature, there were: and surprise, the Soviet leadership and Stalin personally did not want to see unwanted intelligence reports; and a high level of enemy training, taking into account the combat experience of the German units, as well as the industrial potential of all of Europe behind Hitler; and the banal fact of superiority, again in the main areas of shock. Sad but true. So this very director, Liar, Scoundrel, Henchman and Scoundrel in one bottle, is also a fact! negative

        As for the director - this is not for me, I did not discuss it. I saw only the first two series, corny, nothing new.
        You to me comrade Do not hold Stalin for a fool! In the same memoirs of the Soviet period, comrade Marshal Baghramyan (in June 41 still a colonel) speaks of the advancement of the front command of the U.Z. front by June 22 and with, beginning, the number 20.
        You keep the same military for fools? If Marshal Zhukov in January 41 sees the flaws, the concentration of the likely enemy and wants to take urgent measures, then why does not accept? Comrade Molotov himself asks him if there will be a war?
        At the same meeting (according to Zhukov): "- Especially few fighter aircraft, - added S.K. Timoshenko." Compare the numbers! Tymoshenko did not write memoirs. Zhukov is unlimited in fantasy.
        That the red military did not know the classic formula of the necessary three-fold superiority in the strike direction?
        In Russia, winter is always a surprise ... for utilities! laughing
  12. +6
    15 June 2013 17: 43
    He doesn’t understand, bastard, that if we hadn’t won the Great Patriotic War, he would have been a swineherd at the German burgher, if he had ever been. There are no normal words on such.
  13. Ilyas
    +4
    15 June 2013 17: 56
    Hopefully filmets except inside the outskirts itself (not in a bad sense, but the border) will not be in demand anywhere, for - nonsense. It is a pity that it will just fall smoothly and completely in the heads of young people (the head is empty for youth). But empty-headed Nazis (not patriots!) This "creation" is just right, bleat with pleasure.

    In the information war, the RT channel is gaining more and more territory. Congratulate them on their next victory: http://russian.rt.com/article/10668
  14. Grenz
    +5
    15 June 2013 18: 03
    US ARMY FIELD CHARTER FM 90-8
    "Counter-Partisan Operations"
    (Note: the term “partisans” means all destructive forces (including the supposedly “liberal opposition”). At the same time, they act strictly according to this charter, since they receive diverse support up to the proposal of the masters in puppet governments)
    The charter can be downloaded on the Internet and make sure that modern, supposedly, “oppositionists” are just soldiers of the invisible front on the side of our enemy. Moreover, the fighters are very active, and I must admit, sometimes even talented and inventive in their pathological hatred of their homeland and a bitch of devotion to the enemy.
    Here are the provisions from the charter, which are implemented by the 5th column, in particular in the preparation of such samples of film production.
    2-6. Political factors.
    ... guerrillas will try to disrupt the normal work of the government, eliminate key government figures and their capabilities in order to reduce the level of government control in the territory.
    2-7. Social factors.
    A large stratification of society is a great opportunity for disappointment among the general population. Partisans will try to increase friction between different groups in society. These groups can be divided according to racial, ethnic, religious or social grounds. Linguistic differences and traditions can also be causes of separation. Religious influence can play a significant role in social factors that affect partisan activities.
    2-8. Economic forces.
    Low living standards and a desire for economic reform can be common causes of government frustration. Like political and social factors, a greater level of frustration with government economic policies means better opportunities for partisans to succeed. Partisans are looking for an opportunity to use this situation through psychological operations. Since partisans extract the bulk of their material support from the local economy, they usually will not radically destroy it. Partisans will destroy elements of the local economy in the territory as a lesson to residents living there to receive additional help from them or to ensure their obedience.
  15. redwar6
    +2
    15 June 2013 18: 23
    Good day to all hi .
    Power is in the truth.
    Do they want to justify themselves before humanity? Or to whom? Before a gayrope? Forward. In "Devoted", Sadomites have already got divorced, I don’t want to, even more. They were given rights, and you yourself know. But I doubt that they will be able to cover up 14 million civilians losses, an extremely small presence of casualties among the civilian population of Germany (mostly killed by propaganda and bombing (and, in most cases, not our bombing).) And the Galicia division will be hard to forget just like that. Well, or you will have to oo-really try.
  16. +4
    15 June 2013 18: 40
    The Soviet Union is still alive and the struggle with it is still ongoing.
  17. sashka
    +2
    15 June 2013 19: 20
    Is the movie already at the box office? What to discuss should at least look. (Maybe an advertising company is built on this ???) Where is the movie "twisted" ??
  18. +3
    15 June 2013 21: 05
    The film was shown on the TV channel "Ukraine". We discussed each part in the program (in my opinion) "Ukraine Says". Suvorov / Rezun also took part.
    There are logical inconsistencies, links to UNCONFIRMED or obviously FALSE / FABRICATED “documents”.
    1. “thanks to the Kremlin, Hitler came to power” ... By 1930, Germany completely revived the economy and took the second place in the world in terms of industrial production, but:
    "I.G. Farbenindustrii" - which financed Hitler’s election campaign in 45, was under the control of Rockefeller’s Standard Oil;
    AEG-by 1933, 30% of the shares belong to General Electric;
    Siemens - through the ITT communications company, 40% of the shares are also owned by General Electric;
    Fokke-Wulf - 30% of the shares again belong to General Electric;
    "Opel" ("Blitz") - control by General Motors;
    "Volkswagen" -FULL control !!! 100% owned by Henry Ford;
    In 1926, with the participation of Rockefeller Bank Dilon Reed & Co., the second largest industrial monopoly of Germany, the metallurgical concern Fereinigte Stahlwerke (Steel Trust), Thyssen, Flick, Wolf and Fegler, and others, arose after I.G. Farbenindustri ...
    2. According to the MP-41 (mobilization plan for 1941), the size of the wartime army should be 8 people. However, at the beginning of the war, by June 682, the number of the Red Army was only 827 million people. -Stalin was preparing to attack Germany WITHOUT MOBILIZATION OF THE ARMY.
    3. "The Soviet Union created a classic 3-fold advantage on the western border for the attack ..."
    In reality, the number of the Red Army was ~ 77,5% of the number of the Wehrmacht with its allies.
    However, for some reason Kobrin believes that the forces located in Finland should not be taken into account.
    Etc
    But the film was made soundly, with a CALCULATION on youth, and not on people who KNOW history and or simply the older generation
    PS “Russians cannot be defeated, we have seen this for hundreds of years. But Russians can instill false values, and then they will defeat themselves. ” Otto von Bismarck
    1. sashka
      0
      15 June 2013 21: 24
      Where can I see? Pirate video? Then they'll jail me or punish me with a ruble. In general, what the conversation is about. I don’t want to go to jail, but it’s impossible to discuss what I haven’t seen and cannot watch .. What "..."
      1. +1
        15 June 2013 21: 56
        You can download it. Here is http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4349632
    2. Atlon
      +2
      16 June 2013 05: 27
      Quote: knn54
      PS “Russians cannot be defeated, we have seen this for hundreds of years. But Russians can instill false values, and then they will defeat themselves. ” Otto von Bismarck

      In the next branch, I received a penalty for trying to explain how the "miracles-yuds" brought Hitler to power, how many "miracle-yuds" factories worked for the Hitler defense industry, and who really rules the world ... One of the local "miracle-yuds", was accused of insulting veterans (with my epaulettes ?! laughing ) and subjected to obstruction by the administration. wink So you are more careful with the listing of "miraculous" companies, and the "holy" name of Rockefeller ... Mossad is not asleep, comrade ... bully
  19. +1
    15 June 2013 21: 50
    It is high time to engage in competent INFORMATION WAR, while we have only "attempts" ...
  20. phantom359
    +1
    15 June 2013 22: 13
    Complete nonsense. I tried to look - the spirit did not have enough to digest it. Especially the voice-over, soulful of this, well, a true connoisseur of history.)
  21. georg737577
    0
    15 June 2013 22: 15
    "... slightly outweighs the balance of political forces in a particular republic ..."
    What kind of republic are we talking about? Ukraine seems to have long been a separate country ...
  22. +2
    15 June 2013 22: 26
    The distortion of history did not begin yesterday.
    Remember how openly anti-Soviet, anti-Russian films "Red Heat", "Airplane of the President", "Red Scorpion", "Dance on the Blade", "HUNTING FOR" RED OCTOBER "and others paid for by the Ministry of Culture of Russia were shown on the screens of Russia.
    Pay attention to the "creativity" of M. Guelman with his low-profile caricatures of "scenes of the future Olympics in Sochi." Demonstrated with our money in the Perm Museum with the support of the past governor O. Chirkunov, and now the present V. Basargin.
    What to do? How to survive the abomination of those in power in our culture?
    1. +3
      15 June 2013 22: 33
      One episode in "Red Scorpion" is pretty good. From a humorous point of view.This one
  23. +2
    15 June 2013 22: 53
    Over the past 20 years, there have been many "whistleblowers" - distortions, no matter how our children have to learn history from their books - films ...
  24. fatty
    +1
    16 June 2013 00: 39
    I know the currency of Zhoronkin, appreciate and respect the site, however. I agree with him. current cinema is a nominal subculture, like current music.
  25. 0
    16 June 2013 04: 14
    In Russia, to clean up all this rot to begin with. And then they look at Mikhalkov's "films" and do the same.
  26. +1
    16 June 2013 04: 28
    Our misfortune is that DARK NOT ALL ARCHIVES from WWII were declassified. Yes, you can read openly about the actions of this or that Army, well, maybe the divisions (in general terms). And somehow I tried to dig up data on the actions of tactical intelligence (specifically - pp 1832 glanders). With my form tolerance, I received a lapel-turn once.
    In this area, it would be nice to learn from the Americans. In the United States, the Pentagon publishes separate stories of each type of armed forces in a war: army - 96 volumes, air force - 20 volumes, fleet - 12 volumes. The fighting is described in detail up to and including the company.
    PS If the Americans read it.
    The forum stubbornly does not accept the word "p and o s s", try to print.
    1. +1
      16 June 2013 07: 30
      Quote: combat192
      Our misfortune is that DARK NOT ALL ARCHIVES from WWII were declassified. Yes, you can read openly about the actions of this or that Army, well, maybe the divisions (in general terms). And somehow I tried to dig up data on the actions of tactical intelligence (specifically - pp 1832 glanders). With my form tolerance, I received a lapel-turn once.


      Until now, TsAMO has instructions on the prohibition of admission of a certain type of documents. Get a document that write a monograph on the instructions of the Institute of Military History recourse
  27. nomad
    +6
    16 June 2013 07: 17
    Heard a legend, As if once upon a time
    This country was inhabited by giants.
    Like living
    Strange fate:
    Were ready for work and battle
    From lack
    Bread and meat raved about Marx,
    Victory and Mars
    Snow taiga
    Arctic gloomy,
    Bright stars over Baikonur, Hot Flames, Abyss bottomless ... They built mines, dams and blast furnaces. And they were mistaken, And they won. Waiting for guests from an unthinkable distance. Through the cannonade Bloody massacres Rushed to collapse into tall grass, Blackened in snow, Into water and clay ... They raised their scarlet flag over Berlin. They walked from the collective farm Onion beds To the Olympics, Afghanistan, detente. They walked through the patterns And the stencils, They walked, carrying the planet along with them, They wrote a Good Tale with Blood. Even their mistakes were gigantic. They believed, faith In the heart of cherishing, In the infallibility of speeches from the Mausoleum, They knew that their sickle and hammer were right, They knew that the world was only split for a while, That was not forever Pain and sorrow ... But they crushed. Alas, they shredded ... Their descendants hid timidly In the musty silence of cabinet cabinets, They think standardly, They do not rave about Dahlia, Credit is reduced lifelessly with debit, They dream finely, They rarely think ... There is nothing left of them from their ancestors.
    1. 0
      16 June 2013 09: 55
      Quote: Nomad
      Heard a legend, As if once upon a time
      This country was inhabited by giants.

      Captivatingly!
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    3. vkrav
      0
      16 June 2013 11: 02
      Author-Alexey Guskov
    4. Marek Rozny
      +1
      17 June 2013 23: 13
      Quote: Nomad

      I heard a legend
      As if once
      This country was inhabited by giants.
      Like living
      Strange fate:
      Were ready for work and battle
      From lack
      Bread and meat
      They raved about Marx, Victory and Mars,
      Snow taiga
      Arctic gloomy,
      Bright stars over Baikonur
      Hot flame
      The bottomless bottomless ...
      They built mines, dams and blast furnaces.
      And they were mistaken
      And they won.
      Waiting for guests from an unthinkable distance.
      Through the cannonade
      Massacre of blood
      Rushed to collapse into tall grasses
      Blackened in the snow
      Into the water and clay ...
      Scarlet flag was hoisted over Berlin.
      We went from the collective farm
      Onion beds
      To the Olympics, Afghanistan, detente.
      Walked through patterns
      And the stencils
      They walked along carrying the planet
      They wrote a good fairy tale with blood.
      Even their mistakes were gigantic.
      Believed, faith
      In the heart of cherishing
      In the infallibility of speeches from the Mausoleum,
      They knew that they were right
      Their sickle and hammer,
      They knew that the world was only split for a while,
      What is not forever
      Pain and sorrow ...
      But crushed. Alas, crushed ...
      Their descendants
      Timidly hiding
      In the musty silence of cabinet boxes
      Think standard
      They don’t rave about the distance
      Reduce credit lifelessly with debit
      Finely dream
      They rarely think ...
      There is nothing left of their ancestors in them.

      Awesome verse! I read it for the first time. Huge rakhmet!
  28. 0
    16 June 2013 09: 43
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    And I won’t write anything on the topic of the article. Moderators will still delete what I think about this bad person.

    Let me clarify, didn’t you like the article, or its author?
  29. nomad
    +1
    16 June 2013 09: 58
    I wonder how on May 9 these people will look into the eyes of veterans!
  30. +1
    16 June 2013 10: 15
    Director, yeah. We saw such "directors", they are kept in the next ward with "Napoleons".

    What struck me unpleasantly was, so to speak, human rot in the movie forums, which puts 10 / 10 on this creation, sheds tears of crocodiles and screams about the damned Red Army soldiers and the billions of innocently killed victims. And this means, alas, the fact that the tape found its audience.
    1. skifo
      +1
      16 June 2013 18: 40
      I agree. This is largely due to the blurred consciousness of a large part of people (and not always youth). After 20 years, after all, people have been brainwashed!
  31. 0
    16 June 2013 10: 38
    Actually, Kobrin is a very ordinary figure. Originally from Lviv, he started PR with Chernobyl, then justification and glorification of Bandera and Shukhevych, deployment of Kuchma's thesis "Ukraine is not Russia" for 23 episodes, and then in the same spirit. Quite a Galitsay "star" of the yard scale. Someone expected objectivity from the rat?
  32. 0
    16 June 2013 10: 42
    But he is afraid because he understands: these free people will sweep away his totalitarian regime in the same way as the Bolshevik power.

    "Today all terms have already been completed
    And at the camp gate
    What a cross-on-a-boarded up
    Inscription- "EVERYONE GONE TO THE FRONT !!

    For our sins forgive us, -
    After all, we have such a people:
    If Homeland is in danger -
    So, everyone should go to the front.

    There is a year - for three, if God keeps, -
    As in the camp standings.
    Today we are on an equal footing with the VOKhRami,
    Today everyone should go to the front. "

    This is true!

    And the film is truly Velikoukrovsky. IMHO the creators of the film, or rather, the solicitors divided all forces into 3 groups. Some fought with the Wehrmacht, others with the Red Army, and still some MOST RIGHTS fought with both of them.
    .... it’s a pity they didn’t finish all ...
  33. Anti
    +1
    16 June 2013 14: 33
    it’s a pity that there are no special units to combat such, well, for example, there you’ll rechtanut face and so on, others would have thought whether it is worth filming or writing.
  34. skifo
    0
    16 June 2013 18: 27
    We would like our authorities, first of all, to take up not the protection of copyright, but the content written by the authors: for example, to check all school history textbooks and it is probably even better to release the only non-distorting history for schools. And do not care that the West will yell about this!
  35. tsiter
    -1
    16 June 2013 19: 09
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