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Anti-aircraft missile system C-300P

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The creation of an air defense system designed to replace the S-75 air defense system began in the mid-60s at the initiative of the command of the country's air defense forces and KB-1 of the Ministry of Radio Industry. It was originally intended to develop a unified anti-aircraft anti-aircraft missile system S-500U for air defense, ground forces and fleetbut in the future, taking into account the individual characteristics of each type of troops, it was decided to develop, according to a single TTT, the most unified anti-aircraft and anti-ballistic missile system S-300, designed for the army (version S-300V, the main developer - NII-20), Navy ( S-300F, All-Russian Research Institute Altair) and the Air Defense Forces (S-300P, NPO Almaz led by Academician Boris Bunkin).

However, a deep interspecific unification of systems, the creation of which was carried out in various teams under highly contradictory requirements, was not at that time achieved. Thus, in the C-300P and C-300В systems, only 50% of functional radar detection devices were unified.

Anti-aircraft missile troops were to receive a new medium-range air defense system S-300P, intended for the defense of administrative and industrial facilities, stationary command posts, headquarters and military bases from strategic and tactical attacks aviationas well as KR.

The principal features of the new air defense system were to be high mobility and the ability to simultaneously fire several targets, provided by a multi-function radar with a phased array with digital control of the beam position. (None of the foreign ZRKs that existed by that time had multi-channel properties. The domestic multi-channel C-25 complex, as well as the “Dal” air defense system that was not adopted, was made in stationary versions.) The 5B55 type missiles became the basis of the system. The rocket was ejected from the TPC pipe using a gas catapult to a height of 20 m, while its control aerodynamic surfaces were revealed. The gas rudders, following the commands of the autopilot, deployed the rocket to a predetermined course, and after turning on the cruising single-stage engine, it rushed to the target.

Anti-aircraft missile system C-300P


Testing of the C-300P elements of the ZRS, developed under the guidance of B.V. Bunkin, held at the site Sary-Shagan (Kazakhstan) since the mid 70-s.

In 1978, the first version of the complex transported C-300PT (NATO code SA-10A Grumble) was adopted. The C-300PT battery consisted of three 5P85 PUs (4 TPK), a radar for lighting and RPN guidance (Ф1) and a control cabin (Ф2).



In 1980, the C-300PT system developers were awarded the State Prize. The release of the C-300PT ZRS continued until the beginning of the 80-s. In the middle of 80, the complex underwent a series of upgrades, receiving the designation C-300PT-1. In 1982, the air defense forces adopted a new version of the C-300P air defense system - the C-300PS self-propelled complex (codename NATO - SA-10B Grumble), developed at the Almaz Scientific and Production Association under the leadership of the chief designer Alexander Lemansky.



The creation of this complex was due to the analysis of the experience of combat use of missiles in Vietnam and the Middle East, where the survival of the air defense systems was greatly promoted by their mobility, the ability to get out from under the enemy’s “face-to-face” strike and quickly prepare for battle in a new position. The new complex had a record-short deployment time - 5 minutes, making it hardly vulnerable for enemy aircraft.
It consisted of an advanced rocket 5ВХNUMXР, which was guided by the principle of “target tracking through a rocket” and the 55В5КД missile defense system with a firing range increased to 55 km.


5H63C shooting guidance and control machine


C-300PS division includes 3 SAM batteries, each of which consists of three self-propelled launchers on the MAZ-543М chassis and one 5НХNUMXС machine consisting of the combined RPN Ф63С cabins and the combat control ФХNUMXК on one MAZ-1 chassis.
The launchers are divided into one main 5P85C with a F3 launch preparation and control cabin and an autonomous power supply system 5С18, and two additional 5П85Д equipped with only one autonomous power supply system 5СX19.
A battery can simultaneously fire at 6 targets, two missiles each, to ensure a high hit rate.

New technical means introduced into the C-300PT-1 and C-300PS air defense systems significantly expanded their combat capabilities. For the exchange of telemetric information with the air defense command center, located at a distance of more than 20 km from the division, the Pine antenna mast device was used on the ZIL-131Н chassis. In case of autonomous combat operations, an air defense missile system in isolation from the command post can be assigned to the C-300PS division an all-height three-coordinate radar 36Д6 or 16Ж6.


three-coordinate radar 36Д6


In 1989, the export version of the C-300PS system — C-300PMU (NATO code SA-10C Grumble) appears. In addition to minor changes in the composition of the equipment, the export version is also distinguished by the fact that PUs are only offered in the version transported on semi-trailers (5P85T). For operational maintenance, the C-300PMU system can be equipped with a mobile repair station PRB-300U.
The further development of the complex was the ZRS-300PM and its export version - C-300PMU-1 (NATO code designation - SA-10D Grumble).
Development of an improved version of the complex began in 1985 year.
For the first time, the C-XNUMPPMU-300 was shown at the Mosaeroshow-1 air show in Zhukovsky, and a year later its capabilities were demonstrated during demonstration shooting during the IDEX-92 international weapons exhibition (Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates). In 93, the C-1993PM complex was put into service.

[center] Characteristics of air defense systems
C-300PT C-300PS C-300PM C-300PMU-2
(C-XNUMPPMU) (C-300PMU-300)
Year of adopting
1978 1982 1993 1997
Тип ЗУР 5В55К 5В55К/5В55Р (48Н6) 48Н6 (48Н6Е) 48Н6Е2
RPN review sector (in azimuth), degrees
60. 90. 90. 90.
Borders of the affected area, km:
far (aerodynamic. goal)
47. 47 / 75. (90). to 150
near
5. 5 / 5. 3-5. 3.
The height of the target, km:
minimum (aerodynamic. goal)
0,025. 0,025 / 0,025. 0,01. 0,01.
- minimal (ballistic target)
- - 0,006 n / a
- maximum (aerodynamic. goal)
25. 27. 27. 27.
- maximum (ballistic. goal)
- - (n / d) 25 n / d
Maximum speed Zour, m / s
to 2000 to 2000 to 2100 to 2100
Target speed, m / s
1300 1300 1800 1800
- when shooting on target designation
- - to 2800 to 2800
Number of targets followed up to 12
Number of targets
to 6 to 6 to 6 to 36
The number of simultaneously induced missiles
to 12 to 12 to 12 to 72
Rate of fire, sec
5 3-5 3 3
Deployment / coagulation time, min.
to 90 to 90 5 / 5 5 / 5

Deep modernization was aimed at increasing the automation of combat operations, the possibility of hitting modern ballistic missiles at speeds of 2800 m / s, increasing the range of radars, replacing the element base and computers, improving the software of computers and missiles, reducing the number of pieces of basic equipment.



An important advantage of the C-300PM ZRS is the high adaptability of its funds to long-term combat duty.
C-300PM is capable of intercepting and destroying the most modern combat aircraft, strategic cruise missiles, tactical and operational-tactical ballistic missiles and other means of air attack throughout the entire range of their combat use, including under the influence of intense active and passive jamming, with almost one hundred percent probability. .


RPN 30H6


The C-300PM battery is included in (30Ts6E). To detect low-altitude targets, the battery can be equipped with an NVO 30H6, which has a high degree of protection from reflections of the earth's surface.

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low altitude detector NVO 76H6


With up to six battery-300PM (Air Defense Battalion) coordinated 83M6 manual controls (83M6E), consisting of a PBU 54K6 (54K6E) and SART targets at medium and high altitudes 64H6 (64N6E).


RLO 64H6


The fully automatic 64H6 SLLO provides the KP system with information on aerodynamic objectives for circular and ballistic purposes in a given sector, located at distances up to 300 km and flying at speeds up to 2,78 km / s.

The 54K6 PBU receives and summarizes information about the air situation from various sources, controls the firing means, receives control commands and information about the air situation from the air defense command center, assesses the degree of danger, performs target allocation for air defense missiles, gives target indications of targets intended for destruction, and also provides the stability of the combat operation of air defense systems in the conditions of electronic and fire counteraction.
The battery is capable of autonomous combat operations. Multifunctional on-load tap-changer 30Н6 provides search, detection, automatic tracking of targets, performs all operations related to the preparation and firing. At the same time, the battery can fire up to 6 targets of various types, for each of which a single launch or a volley of two missiles can be made. The rate of fire is 3 with.

In 1995-1997, after testing at the Kapustin Yar test site, a regular modernization of the system was carried out, which was named C-300PMU-2 “Favorite” (NATO code designation SA-10E Grumble). Russia showed it for the first time at the MAKS-97 exhibition, and for the first time, demonstration shooting abroad was held in Abu Dhabi at the IDEX-99 exhibition.


Rocket 48H6E and its scheme:
1. The radio direction finder (reticle) 2. Autopilot 3. 4 radio fuse. 5 radio control equipment. 6 power source. Safety mechanism 7. Warhead 8. 9 engine. Aerodynamic steering - aileron 10. Steering drive 11. The device disclosure steering aileron 12. Gas steering wheel aileron

The S-300PMU-2 “Favorit” air defense missile system is designed for highly efficient protection of the most important state and armed forces from massive strikes of modern and advanced aircraft, strategic cruise missiles, tactical and operational tactical missiles and other means of air attack. applications, including in difficult conditions REB.



Compared with C-300PMU-1 in the new system:
• the effectiveness of hitting ballistic targets with the 48Н6Х2 rocket is enhanced, ensuring the initiation (detonation) of the target's charge;
• increased efficiency of the system in terms of aerodynamic objectives, including unobtrusive objectives at extremely low altitudes, in difficult tactical and interfering environments;
• increased the far boundary of the zone of destruction of aerodynamic targets to 200 km, including when shooting in pursuit;
• The information characteristics of the control systems 83М6Е2 for the detection and tracking of ballistic targets have been expanded while maintaining the sector for detecting aerodynamic targets;
• The ability of the 54K6EX2 PBU to work with the C-300PMU-2, C-300PMU-1, C-300PMU and C-200BE (C-200DE supposedly) systems in any combination of them has been expanded;
• enhanced system performance in the conduct of autonomous combat operations through the use of an autonomous means of targeting a new generation - 96ЛХNUMXЕ radar;
• ensured the integration of the C-300PMU-2 “Favorit” air defense systems into various air defense systems, including those operating in NATO standards;
• the possibility of using along with 48H6Е2 missiles 48Н6Е missiles system С-300ПМУ-1 is realized.
Shooting at ground targets confirmed that each missile equipped with 36000 warheads of “ready” fragments can hit unprotected manpower and unarmored enemy targets in an area larger than 120000 square. m

According to foreign sources, at the time of the collapse on the territory of the USSR, there were about 3000 PU of various variants of C-300 AAMS. Currently, various modifications of the C-300 ZRS, besides the Russian army, are available in Ukraine, in the Republic of Belarus, and Kazakhstan.


Satellite image of Google Earth: Russian S-300P, Nakhodka, Primorsky Krai


In order to “save”, the leadership of the Russian Federation decided to replace the C-300П all-round air defense missile systems of other types. In the minds of the Russian philistine C-300P, is “a miracleweapons"Capable of solving all the tasks of covering the country's territory and destroying all enemy air targets.
However, in the mass media, there is practically no mention that most of the complexes launched during Soviet times almost exhausted their resources, the newest of them entered the Russian army in 1994, the element base was outdated, and new missiles were not produced for them.
The widely publicized C-400 ZRS, while still being received by the troops, in single copies, for 4 of the year, the 2 anti-aircraft missile battalion is on combat duty.


Satellite image of Google Earth: ZRS positions С-400 Zhukovsky, Russia


Another problem "chetyrehsotki" is the lack of knowledge of its arsenal. So far, from the entire diverse (theoretically) set, the C-400 has only a modified version of the 300 production rocket 48H6 - 48H6DM capable of hitting targets at a distance of 250 kilometers. Neither 9М96 medium-range pencils, nor the 40H6 heavy rocket with the 400-km range, have yet to be launched.
The situation is aggravated by the fact that, thanks to the fact that our leadership was betraying, the elements of the S-300P aerial read-off systems were supplied for “familiarization” in the USA. What made it possible for our "partners" to get acquainted with the characteristics in detail and to develop countermeasures. From the same "opera" delivery C-300P on about. Cyprus, as a result, they got access to Greece, which is a country member of NATO.
However, in Cyprus, due to the opposition of Turkey, they were never located, the Greeks relocated them to Fr. Crete.


Google Earth Satellite Image: C-300P in Crete


Under pressure from the United States and especially Israel, our leadership broke the contract for the supply of C-300 to Iran. That, undoubtedly, dealt a blow to the reputation of the Russian Federation as a reliable business partner, and threatens big billions in losses in case of payment of a penalty.
Export deliveries of C-300 were also carried out to Vietnam and China. Recently information has been received on the supply of C-300P air defense systems to Syria, which of course can significantly hamper the actions of the US and Israeli aircraft and lead to significant losses.


Google Earth Satellite Image: C-300P Position in Qingdao PRC


In China, limited to the purchase of a small number, the C-300П ЗРС was successfully copied and created its own version under the designation HQ-9 (HongQi-9 with the Chinese Red Flag - 9, the export designation FD-2000).

HQ-9 was created by the China Academy of Defense Technology (China Defense Technology Academy). The development of its early prototypes began in the 80s of the last century and continued with varying success until the middle of the 90s. In 1993, China purchased from Russia a small batch of C-300 PMU-1 SAM systems. A number of design features and technical solutions of this complex were largely borrowed by Chinese engineers during the further design of the HQ-9.

At the end of the 1990-s, the People’s Liberation Army of China (PLA) adopted the HQ-9 air defense system. At the same time, work on improving the complex was continued using available information on the American Patriot complex and the Russian C-300 PMU-2.
Last in 2003, China purchased in the amount of 16 divisions. Currently in
The development is the HQ-9A air defense system, which should be more efficient, especially in the field of missile defense. To achieve significant improvements in the first place is planned by improving the electronic filling and software.

The sloping range of the complex is from 6 to 200 km., The altitude of the targets hit is from 500 to 30 000 meters. According to the manufacturer, the air defense system is able to intercept guided missiles in a radius from 1 to 18 km., Cruise missiles in a radius from 7 to 15 km. and tactical ballistic missiles in radius from 7 to 25 km. (in a number of sources 30 km). The time of bringing the complex to combat status from the march is 6 minutes, the reaction time is 12-15 seconds.
The first information about export versions of the air defense system appeared in 1998 year. Currently, the complex is actively promoted in the international market under the name FD-2000. In 2008, he took part in a tender for the purchase of long-range XKR in Turkey. According to a number of experts, FD-12 can be a significant competitor to Russian export versions of the C-2000P system.

With the help of technologies used in the ZRS X-NUMXP, a new Chinese HMS-300 medium-range air defense system was created.
The HQ-16A is equipped with six hot-start rockets. The complex can be used to create an air defense system at medium and high altitudes in conjunction with the HQ-9 complex, which, judging by the TV frames, receive information from the same radar with a PAR. In order to increase the capability of the complex to intercept low-flying targets, a special radar can be installed to detect targets in the “blind zone”.
The firing range of the HQ-16 is 25 km, the HQ-16A is 30 km.

The HQ-16 ADMS launcher looks very similar to the long-range C-300P and HQ-9 ADMS, which may most likely mean that Chinese designers hope to introduce a modular design into the HQ-9 and HQ-16 complexes in the future.
Thus, China is actively developing its air defense systems, and if our country does not take concrete steps, it has every chance in the future to reduce the backlog in this area.

Based on:
http://military-informer.narod.ru/pvo-S-300P.html
http://русская-сила.рф/guide/army/pv/s300p.shtml
http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/picture_e.pl?unit=2375&page=7
http://my.mail.ru/community/voina-mir-istori/tag/%C7%D0%CA%20%D1-300
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  1. cartridge
    cartridge 15 June 2013 10: 22 New
    12
    S-300 is the pride of Russia! Today the name of this complex has become the same world famous Russian weapons brand. like a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
    1. NickitaDembelnulsa
      NickitaDembelnulsa 15 June 2013 11: 36 New
      +5
      And all because the Russian Earth is rich in talents.
    2. Civil
      Civil 16 June 2013 18: 17 New
      +2
      it is strange that Ukraine did not sell its s-300s, or simply we don’t know something
  2. NickitaDembelnulsa
    NickitaDembelnulsa 15 June 2013 11: 25 New
    +6
    And there are also S-300s at the Golden Valley Airdrome, where the Su-27P air defense aviation was previously based. In 1998, the regiment was disbanded. But the airfield was partially handed over to the Rocketeers to place the S-300 division there. In Google maps, PU and low-altitude detector are clearly visible
    1. valmer
      valmer 15 June 2013 14: 27 New
      10
      there is now not a full division, but only part of the missile part, which is located on the other side of the Golden Valley. Was at that airport a week ago, a sad sight, to be honest.
      1. NickitaDembelnulsa
        NickitaDembelnulsa 15 June 2013 16: 51 New
        +7
        Of course it's sad. The go-ahead strip is already overgrown, the barracks were generally demolished, only the caponiers remained. My father served in this regiment. He is very offended at the airfield. Yes, and me too.
        1. valmer
          valmer 16 June 2013 00: 26 New
          +1
          The strip has grown a little, but still in good condition, now they are driving cars, and sometimes competitions are held in aircraft modeling. The caponiers, in principle, are normal, withstood, well, except for the gates, well, and are crap inside, of course, where without it ... By the way, this airfield has its own site, look, there are a lot of photos, maybe you will see someone you know. Here is the address: http://gold-valley.narod.ru.
          1. NickitaDembelnulsa
            NickitaDembelnulsa 16 June 2013 06: 13 New
            0
            Yes, I saw the site, thanks!
  3. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 June 2013 13: 06 New
    +4
    Hmm. Though super-duper, but old. And taking into account how in our years of democracy, verification and maintenance of all of this were carried out, it becomes completely depressing.
  4. individual
    individual 15 June 2013 13: 43 New
    +2
    Mysterious anonymous under the nickname "The author prepared Bongo"
    With enthusiasm he lays out the operational tactical and technical characteristics of the S-300P. Its differences from domestic and export options.
    Is the statement acceptable in the free press not for official use, as I consider it to be purely technical and probably classified information?
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 15 June 2013 13: 53 New
      +8
      Quote: individ
      Is the presentation acceptable in free print for non-official use, as I consider it to be purely technical and probably classified information?
      And if the Slovak S-300 take part in NATO exercises, etc. etc., then what is the secret?
    2. smile
      smile 15 June 2013 14: 00 New
      12
      individual
      Don't worry, all of this "probably classified information" can be found in open sources. And the merit of the author is that he presented it competently and intelligibly, with knowledge of the matter. For which we will say in unison to the author "Thank you very much" !!! :))))
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 15 June 2013 14: 06 New
        +7
        Quote: smile
        "Many thanks"!!! :))))
        And until we meet again (the article is really good))
    3. smprofi
      smprofi 15 June 2013 14: 28 New
      +9
      Quote: individ
      Is the statement acceptable in free print for non-official use

      At you have not gone to a purely army forums. so there it is more and more laid out by people in uniform. and then they should know what is possible and what is not.
      but this is dust compared to what the "wise leaders" do
    4. Bongo
      15 June 2013 16: 19 New
      11
      What does it mean: "The author has prepared Bongo" is also a mystery to me, I need to ask this question to the site moderators. As for the performance characteristics and other information "For official use", I did not violate the law on State secret, all information was taken from open sources. At the end of the article they are indicated. In addition, it is extremely naive to believe that they are not known to our "potential partners" if the S-300 elements are available in the United States, NATO countries and the PRC.
    5. old man54
      old man54 17 June 2013 14: 39 New
      +7
      Quote: individ
      Mysterious anonymous under the nickname "The author prepared Bongo"
      Is the statement acceptable in the free press not for official use, as I consider it to be purely technical and probably classified information?

      The author of "Bongo" posts publicly available information, especially since he provided links to the sites from where he got it. And if he, Bongo, overdoes it and undermines the country's defense capacity, then I think the FSB will take care of it, it has recently become more active in this field!
      1. Bongo
        17 June 2013 22: 40 New
        +2
        Funny, I would never have thought of thislaughing
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 1 March 2016 09: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Bongo
          Funny, I would never have thought of this

          Sergei! Hi! I also laughed. An interesting article. The truth I first read about the S-75M5 air defense system. The S-75M4 sorry I didn’t get to the troops, I went for export as the S-75 Volga. Yes and the 17D and 22D missiles waited in parts as god. But not fate
  5. valmer
    valmer 15 June 2013 14: 30 New
    +6
    In Nakhodka, the S-400 has been standing since last year. Last year, they drove past my house when they were rearming.
  6. smprofi
    smprofi 15 June 2013 14: 44 New
    +3
    C-300PM is capable of intercepting and destroying the most modern combat aircraft, strategic cruise missiles, tactical and operational-tactical ballistic missiles and other means of air attack throughout the entire range of their combat use, including under the influence of intense active and passive jamming, with almost one hundred percent probability. .

    in general ... I would like to have an absolute weapon, but so far it is not possible to create one.
    S-300PM, of course, differs from the S-300V, but I do not think that it is too important.
    TTX for S-300V (according to http://pvo.guns.ru):
    The probability of hitting the Lance missile with one 9M83 SAM
    0,5 0,65 ...

    The probability of defeat of the plane of one missile 9M83
    0,7 0,9 ...

    The probability of hitting the head of the Pershing missile with one 9M82 SAM
    0,4 0,6 ...

    The probability of defeat missiles SREM one SAM 9M82
    0,5 0,7 ...

    as you can see, we are not talking about 100% defeat.
    so, with all due respect to the complex / system, I would, nevertheless, not particularly say about super weapons. nice, solid, modern complex - yes, but not Wunderwaffe.

    1. Professor
      Professor 15 June 2013 16: 42 New
      -3
      Quote: smprofi
      C-300PM is capable of intercepting and destroying the most modern combat aircraft, strategic cruise missiles, tactical and operational-tactical ballistic missiles and other means of air attack throughout the entire range of their combat use, including under the influence of intense active and passive jamming, with almost one hundred percent probability. .

      Extreme exercises did not confirm the declared characteristics.
      Controversy over the results of the ZVO exercises: 9 of 11 - strong or weak?
      1. smprofi
        smprofi 15 June 2013 17: 10 New
        +7
        I will say as a person who has a VUS SNR SAM "Circle": these are NORMAL results.
        not great, but normal.
        throw a tantrum I see no reason

        and the fact that you cited my alleged quote is the text of the article. as a rule, in such reviews everything is written in excellent form.
        1. Harleone
          Harleone 16 June 2013 23: 22 New
          0
          I would not want the two nuclear warheads to really fly to Moscow. Imagine the consequences. And for those who will be in the affected area, such an air defense and ASW operation will not seem normal.
          1. old man54
            old man54 17 June 2013 14: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: Harleone
            I would not want the two nuclear warheads to really fly to Moscow.

            But I think that half of the country will at least breathe a sigh of relief, if these two are in Moscow, and even in the Central Administrative District! The dream is easy! 2 doraso no more, the re-establishment of government in another place, by other people and by other, normal, statist principles! And that’s it :)
            1. Harleone
              Harleone 17 June 2013 18: 43 New
              +2
              Yeah, two missiles to the Kremlin would be nice. The most likely reason for the change of power in the country, so to speak lol
    2. MG42
      MG42 15 June 2013 17: 41 New
      +6
      Quote: smprofi
      nice, solid, modern complex - yes, but not Wunderwaffe.

      Vasja, they just forgot to sign under the video that the firing at the exercises was rockets that had been on the alert for at least 10 years
      http://pvo.guns.ru/s300p/data_sam.htm
      1. smprofi
        smprofi 15 June 2013 18: 31 New
        +8
        I have not forgotten. I just didn’t know.
        I know that at the firing range they usually shoot missiles with practically expired life.
        actually the conversation is not about that, not about the rocket. "incidents" happen with any technique.
        it’s just that I have always been against Urya-patriotism and drumming for any reason.
        slightly lower gregor6549 I wrote everything correctly. nothing to add.
  7. Ilyas
    Ilyas 15 June 2013 15: 14 New
    +8
    But still, what a huge reserve was made during the Soviet era. Higher mathematics, Theory of Automatic Control, Analog electronics (integrates and differentiates - instantly) - ALL THIS, and much more, is still too tough for a probable opponent!
  8. gregor6549
    gregor6549 15 June 2013 17: 45 New
    +9
    I had the honor to take part in the development of control algorithms for the C300 radar facilities and the pairing of this air defense missile system with the air defense subsystem of the air-defense command and control system "Maneuver". This complex was more than serious at that time. But time does not stand still, just as the probable enemy does not stand still, so it is not good to constantly trump with this complex. Moreover, as I wrote earlier, two sets of C300 PMU were insolently sold by the "great patriots" of Russia to their potential enemy back in the mid-90s. And having living metal in your hands, it doesn't take much mind to come up with an antidote for it. So you need to move on and faster, and not look back. History is even the most beautiful story. And you need to look into the future, especially taking into account that the time of obsolescence of electronics and other "kibenimatics" is about six months a year, while it takes 8 years to develop, launch into a series, adopt and master such complexes in the army. ten. You can, of course, turn around and faster, but then you will have to refine the raw equipment for the same years, but already in the army. And such a rush has already happened more than once and cost the country very dearly.
  9. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 15 June 2013 17: 46 New
    0
    Someone can say how many S-300s (of all modifications) are in Ukraine right now. I know that they are undergoing modernization and / or extension of the resource, but still how many are there?
    1. Bongo
      16 June 2013 05: 14 New
      +5
      According to official data there are 30 divisions, but really in a healthy state, of course less. In addition, C-300PT will be written off in the near future due to the development of the resource.
      In the photo, the red triangles and squares are C-300P of various modifications.
      Address of the site where you can see the air defense of Ukraine:
      http://geimint.blogspot.ru/2008/06/worldwide-sam-site-overview.html
  10. gregor6549
    gregor6549 15 June 2013 18: 30 New
    11
    I will add that at that time the defense industry industry worked in very close cooperation with military institutions that oversaw the development and production of new equipment. We tried to understand what the military wanted and how justified their requirements were, and they, in turn, tried to understand how realistic their requirements could be in metal with the available technologies for the development and production of equipment. And this interaction continued at all stages, right up to teaching the "exploiters" how to handle and competently apply new equipment and the participation of "industrialists in military exercises. And it was nice when the lieutenant, from whom you took credit for such courses, after a while I sent you greetings from some tmutarakan with his photo where he was already showing off with the major, colonel and even general's shoulder straps. I don’t know if this level of interaction between the army and industry has been preserved now. If not, it’s a pity
  11. Fedor
    Fedor 15 June 2013 21: 16 New
    -5
    It was originally intended to develop a S-500U unified anti-aircraft air defense system for air defense


    Here, let me disagree. After the successful arming of the S-200 in 1967, and in our brigade since 1968, we were talking about the S-400 complex. The witness himself, has repeatedly heard conversations of informed officers that the next complex supposedly will be the S-400. At the same time, its future characteristics were described in an overview, from which it can be understood that this was the future S-300.
    1. Bongo
      16 June 2013 05: 06 New
      +8
      It would be naive to assume that the front officers were aware of the development prospects and future designations of promising air defense complexes. In the USSR, this information was Sov.Sekretnoy and is available only to designers, developers and the highest ranks of the Ministry of Defense.
      If you have carefully read the article, then it is clear from the text that the C-500 ЗСРС has no relation to the modern C-500.
  12. raliv
    raliv 16 June 2013 01: 06 New
    +2
    The situation is aggravated by the fact that thanks to the treachery of our leadership, elements of the S-300P air defense system were delivered for “familiarization” in the USA
    If so, then the capabilities of the complex are very limited ...
    1. Bongo
      16 June 2013 05: 09 New
      +6
      C-300P elements in the USA
      1. smprofi
        smprofi 16 June 2013 14: 13 New
        +7
        hehe hehe ... a famous place ... Nevada Test Range - a former nuclear, now just a training ground in Nevada.
        - 50 miles east of Lockheed Martin's "technological range", known as "Area 51" (Area 51, Groom lake, etc. anyone interested in more details: http://nnm.ru/blogs/smprofi/zona_51_chast_i_baza/);
        - 120 miles to the southeast Nellis Air Force Base and a little less - Nellis Test Range. used by the Air Force, mainly for the development of new equipment and training combat pilots;
        - About 180 miles southwest of the Edwards Air Force Base. just the air force base and the technological platform of the Boeing Company.

        hmm ... obviously the S-300 is not there for furniture. if it were my will - on the bass piano string for the genitals would hang some civilians and non-staff ...
        1. Bongo
          17 June 2013 03: 54 New
          +5
          What about strings and genitalia. hard to disagree.
          But about the Edwards Air Force Base, not everything is so simple.
          An article on this topic:
          http://topwar.ru/27804-aviabaza-edvards-centr-letnyh-ispytaniy-vvs-ssha.html
          1. smprofi
            smprofi 17 June 2013 17: 46 New
            +5
            Quote: Bongo
            But about the Edwards Air Force Base, not everything is so simple.

            yes, I agree. Edwards AFB's "specialization" cannot be said in a nutshell.
  13. Tao
    Tao 16 June 2013 06: 35 New
    0
    s-300, it is certainly not bad, but where exactly s500, with a range of defeat. not less than 1000 km?
    1. Bongo
      16 June 2013 06: 41 New
      +6
      I doubt that the specified range is achievable in the near future. Certain elements of the C-500 are being tested, the complex itself is only on paper and in the heads of the developers.
      1. S-200
        S-200 21 June 2013 08: 04 New
        0
        Obviously, the declared long-range line of the S-500 strike zone is 1000 km to intercept ballistic targets in near space. The creation of a missile for missile defense is not advertised anywhere, so it’s difficult to predict the time it will be taken into service. 500) in their speeches, they will not spare money for development. And we have talented designers and scientific schools!
        1. Bongo
          22 June 2013 09: 38 New
          +4
          If only 10-I part of what Putin promised came true, we would have long lived under communism.
    2. gregor6549
      gregor6549 16 June 2013 07: 24 New
      +7
      So far, alas, only on paper. The Navy also hoped for the naval version of the C500, but so far it has not received them and it is not known when it will receive it. Maybe when the production capacities of this concern, which were taken over by the "famous" former general director of ALMAZ Ashurbeyli, will be returned to the fold of the state. But who will do it? Those who feed from Ashurbeyli's hands? It is highly doubtful.
      And Ashurbeyli maladets, panimaesh. From the directors of the collective farm market, jumping into the general directors of Russia's leading enterprise in air defense systems and immediately clearing it, the enterprise, not a thread, not everyone can. Here baaalsh criminal talent is needed and serious uncles in the support group of this talent. Maybe it’s time for them to act together in the colony? In the amateur group of convicts. There are also talents needed
  14. Severok
    Severok 16 June 2013 07: 16 New
    +5
    Damn, it was said correctly - "... as a result of betrayal ..." NATO got access to the secrets of the S-300. There is no other way to express it.
  15. homosum20
    homosum20 16 June 2013 18: 01 New
    +3
    Marked must be shot. Drunkard posthumously judged. And so that in hell hells of oil are not added to the pans.
    1. old man54
      old man54 17 June 2013 14: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: homosum20
      Marked must be shot. Drunkard posthumously judged. And so that in hell hells of oil are not added to the pans.

      And the "drunk" was erected a marble monument in his homeland, and he still stands there, no one demolishes him or grows up! And you - shoot, condemn! :) It would be nice, but ...
  16. zvereok
    zvereok 16 June 2013 20: 16 New
    0
    Two questions, Deletan, but excuse me. Can detection radars be placed not on masts but on helicopters? Drones? And secondly, why are tanks such easy prey for aircraft? Can’t air defense be installed on every tank? I understand there is of course army air defense, but the tank does not need an airfield, etc. security services - in a defensive concept, it would be much more effective.
    1. smprofi
      smprofi 16 June 2013 21: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: zvereok
      Can detection radars be placed not on masts but on helicopters? Drones?

      Radar Detection - EASY! has long been standing
      Boeing E-3 Sentry



      A-50 Bumblebee



      and others...

      Quote: zvereok
      Can’t air defense be installed on every tank?

      Again, long and easy!
      just an anti-aircraft machine gun


      T-72M2 "Modern" a little "development": another plus 2 barrels of 20 mm

    2. Professor
      Professor 17 June 2013 07: 51 New
      +5
      Quote: zvereok
      Can detection radars be placed not on masts but on helicopters? Drones?

      They have been standing on aircraft for a long time (on airplanes with helicopters and on balloons). And UAVs can be placed without any problems.

      Quote: zvereok
      Can’t air defense be installed on every tank?

      A simple short-range air defense has been around for a long time. There is no sense from it - experience in combat use has shown its low efficiency, rather, even a complete lack of effectiveness. More serious air defense systems on tanks are unlikely to ever appear; tanks are already very expensive. They are covered and will be covered by special air defense systems.
    3. old man54
      old man54 17 June 2013 14: 58 New
      +1
      by helicopters ... Ka-32, if they don’t change my memory in the index, it was invented in the Soviet years, just for detecting SC and CC.
      1. Bongo
        18 June 2013 13: 54 New
        +4
        Naval Ka-31, but they were serially built only for export.
    4. egsp
      egsp 17 July 2013 22: 35 New
      -2
      if grandmother had ..y - she would be grandfather
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  18. mvkot120669
    mvkot120669 18 June 2013 12: 43 New
    -2
    Everything is of course Interesting ... but .... The C300 was never used in combat ... target shooting and shooting at real targets in the conditions of the enemy using electronic warfare systems, anti-radar missiles, etc. this is a FEW DIFFERENT THINGS ... The C-300 is a horror story .... no more ... The option is that it will simply be crushed 50 to 50 ... Did everyone forget what happened to our latest weapons during the Israeli-Arab wars?
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 18 June 2013 13: 40 New
      0
      It is not forgotten!
      The "credibility" of the S-300 originates from the high efficiency of the Cuban Arab-Israeli warriors.
      Yes A. Sharon generally used captured Soviet "floaters", and what came of it! wassat
      1. Bongo
        18 June 2013 13: 51 New
        +3
        Incorrect comparison, the semi-active guidance system "KUB-KVADRAT" is similar in principle to the long-range air defense missile system S-200. What does the S-300 air defense system have to do with it?
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 18 June 2013 17: 53 New
          0
          I did not think to breed a scientific and technical polemic in the comments.
          Moreover, to prove that what is similar.
          The meaning of the comment is that both of the above air defense systems are "children" of the Soviet military-industrial complex, and he did his job well. (though not always)
          That is why I mentioned A. Sharon. He was then able to carry out a successful operation on not a new captured Soviet armored vehicles, but his "opponents" the Arabs, as a dancer, something interfered ...
          Hopefully answered clearly.
    2. egsp
      egsp 17 July 2013 22: 40 New
      -2
      our weapons are normal, it's just that someone's hands don't grow from there. It's one thing to jump on the street with a stick in hand and yell "Alla I'm in the bar" - another thing to competently and selflessly conduct an anti-aircraft battle. Arabs are still fighters ..
  19. n-kama
    n-kama 22 November 2013 18: 46 New
    0
    MDA, Soviet, built for centuries