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Kazakhstan intends to acquire two A-400M and two additional C-295 aircraft

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Kazakhstan intends to acquire two A-400M and two additional C-295 aircraft

During the official visit to Kazakhstan of Spain’s Minister of Defense Pedro Morenés, the Kazakh side expressed its intention to acquire two additional aircrafts BTA C-295 manufactured by Airbus Militi.


On this, as the agency EFE, said the representative of the Ministry of Defense of Spain.

In March, 2012 of the year, Airbus Militery entered into a contract with the state company Kazspecexport belonging to the Ministry of Kazakhstan of Kazakhstan to supply two C-295, as well as related services, spare parts and equipment. At the same time, a memorandum of understanding was signed on the purchase of 6 additional C-295, contracts for the supply of which must be signed in the coming years.

According to EFE, Kazakhstan’s Defense Minister Adilbek Dzhaksybekov also expressed interest in buying two A-400M aircraft.

In January of this year, the park aviation Kazakhstani army’s equipment was replenished with the first two military transport aircraft S-295M manufactured by Airbus Military. Kazakhstan Engineering National Company JSC plans to organize service maintenance of S-295 and A-400M aircraft on the basis of the aviation technical center being created in Astana.

During a visit to 10-11 in June, the ministers of defense of Spain and Kazakhstan signed a memorandum on military and military-technical cooperation, the purchase of defense products, military education, research and development and logistic support.

The ministers reached an agreement on the participation of Spanish enterprises in the KADEX arms exhibition, which will be held in Astana in 2014.

According to P.Morenes, representatives of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan will be able to receive training at the CESEDEN Higher Center for National Defense Studies (Centro Superior de Estudios de la Defensa Nacional). Spain plans to send its observers to participate in the Steppe Eagle peacekeeping exercise, which will be held in Kazakhstan in August of this year.

During the visit, P.Morenes visited the national company Kazakhstan Engineering, where he was provided with information about the structure, goals, objectives and projects implemented, as well as created jointly with the Spanish company Indra Sistemas. Kazakhstan Engineering, focused on the production, final assembly, repair and maintenance of radar stations, electronic warfare systems, electronic intelligence and other electronic equipment.

The Minister of Defense of Spain also visited the airborne assault brigade of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan and got acquainted with the armaments of military hardware that are in its armament.
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  1. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson 13 June 2013 13: 32 New
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    Kazakhs, of course, well done, the vector is set correctly. Here is the visual result - while we are discussing the supply of Anovs here and meeting the recycled Ilami, our neighbors and allies are buying foreign machinery.
    1. experienced
      experienced 13 June 2013 13: 45 New
      18
      I’m glad for Kazakhstan, but it seems to me buying different equipment from different countries will its service, operation and training and education of specialists then pour into a haemorrhage? This applies not only to the Air Force, there are a lot of things bought there in the artillery and infantry. hi
      1. Atrix
        Atrix 13 June 2013 15: 20 New
        +9
        Quote: seasoned
        I’m glad for Kazakhstan, but it seems to me buying different equipment from different countries will its service, operation and training and education of specialists then pour into a haemorrhage? This applies not only to the Air Force, there are a lot of things bought there in the artillery and infantry. hi

        Hemorrhoids become in other cases when you purchase equipment from one country. Then this is a real problem, this country will be able to put pressure on you and force you to buy spare parts at inflated prices, etc. And if you have a bad relationship, then goodbye to all the technology, a vivid example of Iran and Venezuela when the USA laughing
      2. VAF
        VAF 13 June 2013 16: 38 New
        15
        Quote: seasoned
        Glad for Kazakhstan


        I fully support! +! That would be our example to take .. in everything !!! soldier

        Quote: seasoned
        buying different equipment from different countries will its service, operation and training and education of specialists then pour into a haemorrhage?


        Absolutely not pour out, because Firstly, he is buying the TECHNIQUE .... example?
        Please ... what is really S-295M bully ..TELL:

        On April 15.04.2013, 2, Airbus Military and MBDA successfully demonstrated the launch of the Marte Mk295 / S anti-ship missile from the underwing pylon of the Airbus Military C-XNUMXMPA marine patrol aircraft.

        This flight was “extreme” in a series of studies conducted as part of a joint collaboration between Airbus Military and MBDA to test the integration of Marte missiles on the C-295.

        The underwing weapon suspension provides new operational capabilities for the S-295MPA aircraft to perform new tasks required by customers. good

        In the anti-submarine role, the S-295 already (!!!!) uses Mk46 torpedoes. good

        This successful test provides further evidence of the operational flexibility of the Marte missile and clearly establishes it as a reference for a medium-weight anti-ship missile.

        The Marte Mk2 / S missile is already integrated on the Italian Navy AW-101 and NH90 NFH helicopters; Marte ER is currently being integrated on the Eurofighter Typhoon fighter.

        Missile MBDA Marte MK2 / S operates on the principle of "shot-and-forget," an all-weather anti-ship medium-range system equipped with an inertial and radar guidance system, capable of destroying small ships and causing great damage to large ships.
        The missile has a weight of 310 kg and a length of 3,85 m.

        Now remember the recent fellow news .. "on the adoption of the ??? Russian Navy aircraft new An-140 aircraft ???? belay crying
        I won’t say anything further!

        Only now, Kazakhstan, in fact, already has MRA and Antisubmarine in the Caspian ... attention to the question ... what do we have? wassat

        well besides the glory of Pu Russia rises from its knees, etc. request
        1. VAF
          VAF 13 June 2013 16: 43 New
          +4
          Quote: vaf
          On April 15.04.2013, 2, Airbus Military and MBDA successfully demonstrated the launch of the Marte Mk295 / S anti-ship missile from the underwing pylon of the Airbus Military C-XNUMXMPA marine patrol aircraft.


          photo start does not want to attach ..... I try again!

          1. Atrix
            Atrix 13 June 2013 16: 51 New
            +4
            Quote: vaf
            Quote: vaf
            On April 15.04.2013, 2, Airbus Military and MBDA successfully demonstrated the launch of the Marte Mk295 / S anti-ship missile from the underwing pylon of the Airbus Military C-XNUMXMPA marine patrol aircraft.


            photo start does not want to attach ..... I try again!


            And now some will say that they are painted))))
            1. VAF
              VAF 13 June 2013 16: 59 New
              +7
              Quote: Atrix
              And now some will say that they are painted))))


              Thank you, +! drinks and these .... these may be important to them fellow and yes we them .. and the rest ... "Klava" will endure everything! lol
        2. Avenger711
          Avenger711 13 June 2013 18: 23 New
          -11
          Well, that’s it, Kazakhstan will defeat everyone.
          Antisubmarine in the Caspian. laughing Despite the fact that the entire Caspian is easily covered by aviation from coastal bases.

          What is there to take from Kazakhstan as an example, is somehow little understood. Buy an imported plane? You’ll be the first to yell that you don’t do your own thing.
          According to An-70, we contributed our share, as a result, too much confirmation that nothing can be done together with Ukraine.

          In general, your nagging is already tired. It’s as if without you we know that everything is bad, the same is news to me. And from whining neither the factories collapsed during the 90s and the lost technology will not be restored, they will not disappear in the army either.
          1. Rustam
            Rustam 13 June 2013 19: 44 New
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            Whining? Here no one whines, this time
            Two of them take off their pink glasses from those that agully claim that they are all in a bunch and in everything, and then slurp the goryushka as in Ossetia.

            Here in this article we discuss a specific transport aircraft, according to the characteristics of which we unfortunately have nothing
            Kazakhs did not wait for their ancient Ana to begin to fall from old age wear and buy a great alternative

            You can’t do everything yourself, it’s impossible, so you need to create joint JVs for the technologies that we are behind in (even in the USSR, special units of the GRU and the KGB scoured the world in search of technology)
            Or another option is to beat in the chest, tear the vest on the chest, send all obscenities and fly on An-26 planes risking at any moment not only the lives of the crews and the military personnel they are transporting
        3. Srgsoap
          Srgsoap 13 June 2013 19: 59 New
          +4
          Sergei welcome !!! For a long time it was not heard and, as always, your comments were lacking. Yesterday, the article was about the A400M and people were surprised at the similarities with the AN70 ...
        4. Siberian German
          Siberian German 14 June 2013 05: 19 New
          +2
          I support completely and completely - the glorifications do not pass into the quality work of neither the glorifying nor the glorious
    2. Rustam
      Rustam 13 June 2013 15: 05 New
      +9
      Kazakhstan takes one of the best dealsreplacing its obsolete AN-26

      the same AN-140 or AN-32B, lagging behind the C-295, well, I think they want to take the A400M, in addition, excellent aircraft of the same manufacturer

      while we are in the midst of a showdown with Ukraine over the AN-70, the planned delivery within the framework of the state defense order (70 units until 2020) to the Russian Air Force is already unlikely - here the question is, as if the main customer hadn’t refused

      ps-naturally you need to understand that the appearance of similar machines in our Air Force is not yet possible, unless there is political will (although under Serdyukov at one time there was a question about purchasing 295 and creating a joint joint venture)
      as well, the Kazakh Air Force began to receive good aircraft, replacing the obsolete AN-26 and probably the remaining AN-74P

      PHOTO - In flight А400М
      And video marine version of the C-295MPA for the Navy of Chile
    3. APASUS
      APASUS 13 June 2013 19: 15 New
      +5
      Quote: kirieeleyson
      while we are discussing the supply of Anovs here and we meet with Ilami recycled - our neighbors and allies are buying foreign machinery.

      I can argue that if there weren’t this dirty story with An, Russia and Ukraine would have bought these planes for their aircraft. The Kazakhs would have bought them the same !!
      That's how we lose our place in the market and money, not to mention the image .....
  2. Avenger711
    Avenger711 13 June 2013 13: 34 New
    -13
    Well, do not take the An-70.
    1. alexng
      alexng 13 June 2013 16: 33 New
      +5
      And how do you like this?
      1. Kair501
        Kair501 13 June 2013 18: 21 New
        +3
        people of what kind and 400 see the vidos about Pak Fa to see such a maneuver at least once
        1. Atrix
          Atrix 13 June 2013 19: 11 New
          +5
          Quote: Kair501
          people of what kind and 400 see the vidos about Pak Fa to see such a maneuver at least once

          That's when it will be in the same quantities as F22 then we can talk about something. And yes, a priori, the T50 should in some way be better than the F22, because the age difference is almost 10 years.

          Grade video
          1. Alexander D.
            Alexander D. 14 June 2013 00: 13 New
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            The age difference is much greater - the first tests of the 22nd were in 1996-1997, and in 2003 serial aircraft were already delivered to airbases.
          2. APASUS
            APASUS 16 June 2013 13: 36 New
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            Quote: Atrix
            Grade video

            Propaganda bullshit!
            Imagine how the last aircraft take off in a cloud of exhaust gases.
            This is why takeoff is not shown here. On the latest aircraft, tires would still light up on the ground !!!
  3. Burbulator
    Burbulator 13 June 2013 13: 35 New
    +6
    And I look, Kazakhs have money for new transport planes! Well done.
    In Belarus, with money, we have full J. With two Ps, moreover.
  4. Orel
    Orel 13 June 2013 13: 41 New
    +5
    The main thing is that these purchases do not affect our security ... And then today, transport aircraft, tomorrow land military equipment, then combat aircraft, and then not far from the military base. I hope I exaggerate, but somehow I feel uneasy from the words "representatives of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan will be able to undergo training at the Higher Center for Research on National Defense of Spain" count in NATO.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 13 June 2013 23: 23 New
      +6
      Quote: Orel
      And then today transport aircraft, tomorrow land military equipment, then combat aircraft, and then to the military base is not far.

      The Kazakh army is armed with a bunch of Western-made equipment and weapons, for example, Eurocopter helicopters (of two types) and Huey II, armored vehicles Cobra Otokar, Hamvi, Land Rover, various small arms (Czech, Austrian, German, Italian pistols, snipers and CZ machine guns , MP-5, Beretta ARX-160, etc.). At the same time, Russian military goods are also purchased. Also, repair / modernization of the Soviet "heritage" is constantly carried out.
      However, this does not mean at all that the Kazakhs are going to establish a NATO military base. If you bought a LG TV home, this does not mean that you decided to become a Korean.
      Quote: Orel
      it’s somehow uncomfortable with the words “representatives of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan will be able to undergo training at the Higher Center for Research on National Defense of Spain”, consider NATO.

      Kazakh cadets study not only in Russia, but also in NATO countries (including the American West Point) and Asia (South Korea, China). Russian cadets do not receive anything other than Russian / Soviet military education. I do not argue, this is an excellent military school. But the Kazakhs strive to take the best from everywhere and apply it at home. Kazakhs know well how to train PLA or NATO officers. It can always come in handy if suddenly (God forbid, of course) a war happens. As a result, the Kazakhstani army knows all the pros and cons of military education in the USSR / RF, West and Asia.
      Let me remind you that the Kazakhs spent several years in Iraq - they did not directly participate in the hostilities / patrols, they were only engaged in mine clearance and provided medical assistance to local residents. Over the years, we have carefully studied how the American army acts in combat conditions - how it fights, how it lives, what it eats, how it sleeps, how sorry it is. They learned everything about the American army in the field, after which they left Iraq and did not intend to return there anymore.
      Kazakh officers know how Russians are fighting, and how NATO is fighting. Is this a minus for us or not? I think you yourself agree that this is a plus.
      And we don’t have any secrets from Russia that we buy foreign equipment - I hope the Russians have already arrived, felt different goods bought by the Kazakhs and looked at what ideas could be borrowed for their own military industry. Yes, and Stopudovo ours already shared their experience and observations made from Iraqi missions with Russian colleagues. Fortunately, our armies are very close friends with the Russians. And most of the officers who study outside Kazakhstan study in Russian universities, since foreign experience is good, but we only have full cooperation with the CSTO allies, and primarily with Russia.
  5. cartridge
    cartridge 13 June 2013 13: 43 New
    +7
    video of Kazakhstani TV about S-295
    2:31
    1. Akim
      Akim 13 June 2013 15: 21 New
      +7
      Quote: cartridge
      video of Kazakhstani TV about S-295

      8 cars is a lot. Of course, it’s more logical to buy a 400th Busi than Ana. The service will already be established.
  6. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 June 2013 13: 45 New
    +3
    Let our Minister Shoigu now go to Kazakhstan on a visit. We’ll also sell something ..
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 13 June 2013 23: 46 New
      +9
      and so Kazakhstan buys a lot of anything from Russia. would buy even more if Russia was able to satisfy our needs. For example, we began to purchase / produce German Eurocopter helicopters, because Russia is not able to make timely repairs of Mi-26 transport helicopters. We have more than 20 pieces of these "cows" in need of major repairs / modernization, and Russia can only repair one turntable per year. As a result, they turned to the Germans.
      They asked the Russians to modernize our tanks, and even set up a joint venture for the production of armored vehicles - the Russians refused. Then ours created a joint venture with Turks and Ukrainians. They waited a long time for Izhevsk to create a wunder-waffle, but now it’s clear that we still have to wait a million years again. The Italians bought the first batch of Beretta ARX-160 assault rifles (so far only for special forces units). It will be seen further.
      Now we are waiting for new Russian combat aircraft. I hope that in the end it doesn’t work out “as always”.
  7. Vtel
    Vtel 13 June 2013 13: 49 New
    12
    Kazakhs have the right to choose and the choice does not seem to be ours, although ours is no better.

    A.P. Sitnov - President, Chairman of the Board of Directors of CJSC Engines Vladimir Klimov - Motor Sich, Colonel General, Head of Armaments of the RF Armed Forces: "About 1500 foreign aircraft fly in the skies of Russia, of which more than 950 are passenger, but most importantly, over the past A shaft of foreign-made aircraft went to Russia for 12-14 years, and it actually stopped the production of Russian aircraft. And what is in the air with us? All types of aircraft of the European Consortium, plus Sweden, China, plus Bombardier and Embraer. Rostov, rasnoyarsky, Samara and a number of other air units in Russia today are based on the radars of foreign production.
    Many enterprises altogether changed general designers who could create modern competitive aircraft to managers who were often far from aviation. In the situation that is happening today, young people do not go to aviation schools. As a result, the deficit of qualified pilots is increasing every year in Russia. In Kazakhstan, for example, foreign pilots fly, and now the government of our country raises the question that it is necessary to lift the ban on the use of foreign specialists in Russian airlines. "
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 13 June 2013 14: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: Vtel
      In Kazakhstan, for example, foreign pilots fly, and now the government of our country raises the question that it is necessary to lift the ban on the use of foreign specialists in Russian airlines. "

      Conclusion, pripets of our aviation, long live the Popular Front.
      1. Vtel
        Vtel 13 June 2013 15: 38 New
        +3
        Find at least two differences in these photos. United Russia flowed smoothly to the Front. Only whom with whom it is not clear.
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 13 June 2013 18: 13 New
      0
      You just look at what is being done, it turns out 12-14 years ago it stopped, and not much earlier.
  8. Apollo
    Apollo 13 June 2013 13: 53 New
    +3
    quote-As reported by EFE, the Minister of Defense of Kazakhstan Adilbek Dzhaksybekov also expressed interest in buying two A-400M aircraft.

    In my opinion, it would be better to buy military transport aircraft from Russia, or rather.

    1. Atrix
      Atrix 13 June 2013 15: 27 New
      13
      Well, Russia does not have similar aircraft, the A-400M is compared with the An-70, but it is not. And what can Kazakhstan wait for this AN-70 to be born if we live in common?
      1. Akim
        Akim 13 June 2013 15: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: Atrix
        . And what can Kazakhstan wait for this AN-70 to be born if we live in common?

        By August, Engine Certification will end. Maybe the Russian respondents do not know, but in April on the Salute the bench tests of the engine were completed, and the first two aircraft for Russia and Ukraine were already on the bench tests themselves.
        http://vpk.name/news/88457_an70_poluchil_luchshii_v_mire_dvigatel.html
        http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2013/06/05/256515.html
    2. Alexander D.
      Alexander D. 13 June 2013 23: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Apollon
      quote-As reported by EFE, the Minister of Defense of Kazakhstan Adilbek Dzhaksybekov also expressed interest in buying two A-400M aircraft.

      In my opinion, it would be better to buy military transport aircraft from Russia, or rather.

      The procurement of weapons from one manufacturer has never led to anything good - there is such a thing as diversification. This is the law of the market. Even in the USSR there were several design bureaus on armored vehicles and aviation, which created normal competition and pushed designers to search for new solutions and rationalization proposals. And look how much wonderful equipment they have created, and now any modernization project (not even creating a new project) has been tortured for years.
    3. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 13 June 2013 23: 55 New
      +2


      Quote: Apollon
      In my opinion, it would be better to buy military transport aircraft from Russia, or rather.
  9. Yeraz
    Yeraz 13 June 2013 13: 58 New
    16
    Well done Kazakhs good
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 13 June 2013 23: 50 New
      +6
      Quote: Yeraz
      Well done Kazakhs
  10. agbykov
    agbykov 13 June 2013 14: 11 New
    +1
    The further Ukraine goes to the Geyropa, the more difficult it will be to advance its military equipment to the CSTO countries. More specifically, in connection with this article, AN-70, despite the fact that it is almost 2,9 times cheaper than A400M and, in many ways, is better (according to Wikipedia http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/% C0% ED-70).
  11. nikkon09
    nikkon09 13 June 2013 14: 15 New
    +7
    Quote: kirieeleyson
    Kazakhs, of course, well done, the vector is set correctly. Here is the visual result - while we are discussing the supply of Anovs here and meeting the recycled Ilami, our neighbors and allies are buying foreign machinery.

    Guys, what are you minusing? Objectivity didn’t stop us from ever praising junk is patriotic in your opinion? Let’s decide on flies and honey on bees.
    1. kirieeleyson
      kirieeleyson 13 June 2013 16: 22 New
      +7
      We should have climbed into our birdhouse for greater clarity - the Mistrals themselves ordered, no one pulled us by the sleeve. And this deal was approved at the very top, even if we discuss the arguments here, a la "this is Taburetkin with his shobla", this is not us. It means that we still have a lot to raise and rebuild, starting from slipways and polymer compound technology, ending with the aircraft industry, where design bureaus have not yet come up with anything new, not to mention production re-equipment. And so, minus what is there, I'm not greedy) But here we will not fly far on urapatriotizm.
  12. phantom359
    phantom359 13 June 2013 14: 32 New
    +3
    Sorry. We are losing the MTC market. First C295, now interest in the plagiarized C400, which, moreover, is rather mediocre.
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 13 June 2013 14: 51 New
      -7
      Quote: phantom359
      phantom359 (4) UA Today, 14:32 PM

      Sorry. We are losing the MTC market. First C295, now interest in the plagiarized C400, which, moreover, is rather mediocre.

      And where is the patriotism of our brothers Kazakhs.
      1. teodorh
        teodorh 13 June 2013 16: 48 New
        10
        I did not understand how Kazakh patriotism should be manifested here?
        1. avt
          avt 13 June 2013 17: 17 New
          0
          Quote: valokordin
          And where is the patriotism of our brothers Kazakhs.

          Quote: teodorh
          I did not understand how Kazakh patriotism should be manifested here?

          Probably meant why not on horseback. laughing But seriously, the choice of the S-295 is quite understandable and at the moment it is completely justified. Well, Russia does not have cars of this class request and Ukraine, too, has an An-140 passenger and it will not be known whether it will be with a ramp, and Il -112 is not even in metal. But here is bus number 400 and even M request cunning gays got into a hike raw and stupid unit. I would even understand if I bought the S-130, well, their business, they can even get it for their money, buy a walking turntable as a combat helicopter and under-transport
          1. djon77
            djon77 13 June 2013 17: 45 New
            +8
            but can I ask you a question? Calling all gays to you is more comfortable living? As I understand it, from the point of view of psychology, it’s like you are bigger and more relaxed among similar people. Actually, for me it’s not necessary to remember about gays at all. As the church anathematizes these to oblivion. You look and the world will become cleaner
            1. avt
              avt 13 June 2013 18: 22 New
              -6
              Quote: djon77
              can I ask a question?

              Can .
              Quote: djon77
              Now calling all the gays you live more comfortable?

              Why is everyone?
              Quote: djon77
              as if you are calmer in an environment like

              In an environment of his own kind, ANYONE is always more comfortable, well, if he does not pretend, then this mental illness - schizophrenia, is practically not treated.
              Quote: djon77
              for me it’s not necessary to remember about gays at all.

              Yes, I’d be glad not to remember, they don’t give it themselves, even in Europe they even pass laws and religious feelings of others, as they say in the common people, they put it with an appliance. Yes, and in Europe this is already becoming a religious cult, crowding out Christianity.
              Quote: djon77
              as the church anatimizes them, so do these oblivion. look and the world will become cleaner

              Is anathema oblivion? This is something new laughing in general, it was always an excommunication, a curse, and they do not anathema already in Christian denominations. Can you give an example of what new cases?
              1. djon77
                djon77 13 June 2013 21: 11 New
                +5
                You called all Europeans gay. Read your comment. But then you deny the most interesting thing. Well, if you take it wider, then the majority on this site is Europeans. That is, representatives of the Caucasian race
          2. cdrt
            cdrt 13 June 2013 21: 05 New
            +4
            Discussed the purchase of Kazakhstan aircraft from Airbus.
            It would seem, what do gays have to do with it wink wink wink
          3. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 00: 11 New
            +9
            Well, for now, Kazakhstan has simply “expressed interest” about the A-400M. And S-295 is already being purchased. We often "express interest" - but this does not always mean procurement. We were just as "interested" in the S-130, the Americans even drove them to the KZ to finally persuade them to buy. Our praised the equipment, but in the end, bought the Spanish transporters. Let more expensive, but new.
            As for the turntables, the German EU-145 is a good helicopter for many small tasks (patrolling, transportation of small detachments, etc.). By the way, he has already entered the Ministry of Emergencies (besides the fact that he enters the Ministry of Defense), and the German Ministry of Emergency Situations plan to purchase them only a few years later (officially announced by the German Ministry of Emergencies).
            But the second model of the Eurocopter, which was purchased by Kazakhstan (and will be assembled in the KZ) - the EU-725 - is quite a normal military transport. At the very least, it is better to have 20 flying EU-725s and 45 flying EU-145s than having 20 flightless Mi-26s that the Russians cannot repair in a timely manner.
            And, by the way, the "US-145" turntable and under-transport "in the amount of ~ 350 units was purchased several years ago by the US Army. Apparently, German helicopters are not so stupid.
      2. Alexander D.
        Alexander D. 13 June 2013 23: 55 New
        +7
        Quote: valokordin
        And where is the patriotism of our brothers Kazakhs.

        This is called: nothing personal - only the interests of national security.
  13. B_KypTke
    B_KypTke 13 June 2013 14: 50 New
    -13
    Everything should be done in a natural way. Well, they will get stuffed with electronics. Airbuses will fly a little, face high maintenance costs, the need to buy native supplies, plus the effects of dusty steppe storms, plus extreme temperature extremes, the impact on the precision design of unpretentious technicians, you look and look again at let not sophisticated, but easy to operate and repair quite reliable Russian equipment.
    1. Rustam
      Rustam 13 June 2013 15: 43 New
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      Which Russian? Do not tell
      And perhaps the AN-140 without a ramp and with poor analog devices? Or the IL-112 which is still in the layout, and probably will remain in it?
      Ukrainian An-32b, so from 295 it's like earth and sky

      And our pilots continue to fly on the physically obsolete An-24 and 26, endangering the lives of themselves and other military personnel, it would be better if we had learned from Kazakhstan, made a decision and purchased good equipment, rather than flying on airplanes that should be scrapped already
      1. VAF
        VAF 13 June 2013 17: 04 New
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        Quote: Rustam
        Which Russian? Do not tell


        Rustam, hello buddy! You, of course, everywhere + for posts, there’s even nothing to comment on, everything is clear and, as always, correctly! drinks !

        And I’ll answer your question .. as one Which is the One and Only - Super-Superfood-100 wassat more to offer .. nothing crying
      2. B_KypTke
        B_KypTke 13 June 2013 17: 38 New
        0
        Well, you can Tu-330VT for example ...
        1. VAF
          VAF 13 June 2013 17: 54 New
          12
          Quote: B_KypTke
          Well, you can Tu-330VT for example


          I agree, in this we are masters .. suggest something. which is not a priori! wassat that's why from us and .. "dump" quietly .. that the Kazakhs, that the Indians ...

          The only thing is why we "hold" it .. the price (dumping), and the opportunity to get a "bad credit" !!!

          Unfortunately..... sad
        2. cdrt
          cdrt 13 June 2013 21: 17 New
          +4
          The Kazakhs chose planes, rather than projections of varying degrees of readiness, otherwise they would have had a choice: the updated An-124, Il-112, Il-214, Tu-330, An-70
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 00: 25 New
            +8
            You have not yet mentioned the world's best transport aircraft MR-2013. It has the highest performance characteristics, at the same time low price and simply beautiful design. But for some reason, the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan chose a Spanish plane. It's upsetting to me. I have been drawing this MR-2013 in MS Paint for so many days ((((Not rated, you bastards ... But I can still offer the MR-2030 transporter! It can fly even in airless space!
  14. Algor73
    Algor73 13 June 2013 15: 36 New
    +6
    A-400 is a good aircraft, the main thing is that it flies in the series. But that is not the point. Kazakhstan in the Collective Security Treaty Organization has always been focused on Russian weapons. Now slowly moving away. First with weapons, then with what? A little more and Russia will buy the A-400 - there is no similar aircraft, but for some reason (?) Cooperation does not work with Ukraine.
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 13 June 2013 15: 46 New
      -1
      Because you are always trying to heat the customer. You can only steal. Well, now you can at least get me the cons. Antonov is dead and you can now at least rub it off.
      But the Kazakhs of Maloriki there look and our normal transport plane will take, before approaching its counterpart.
    2. agbykov
      agbykov 13 June 2013 16: 31 New
      +6
      Regarding AN-70, Kazakhs can be partially understood. Even in the medium term, it is difficult to focus on the producer in whose country de-industrialization is taking place (one of the tools to turn Ukraine into a colony).
  15. Yarbay
    Yarbay 13 June 2013 15: 46 New
    14
    What can I say?
    Probably only to congratulate the brotherly country!
    I sincerely wish you success!
  16. LOCKS
    LOCKS 13 June 2013 16: 38 New
    +2
    What can I say .... New technology is certainly good, of course, it’s bad that it’s again foreign. But we must hope that this is temporary and from the lack of our own samples. It is not good if the CSTO is armed with a stranger.
  17. SPIRITofFREEDOM
    SPIRITofFREEDOM 13 June 2013 16: 57 New
    +3
    I hope this decision will push the Russian authorities to accelerate the creation of their own transport vehicle in line with modern realities!
    1. agbykov
      agbykov 13 June 2013 17: 05 New
      -3
      We need a second reunion of Ukraine and everything will fall into place.
      1. agbykov
        agbykov 13 June 2013 22: 02 New
        0
        someone does not understand the meaning of the word "reunion"? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C2%EE%F1%F1%EE%E5%E4%E8%ED%E5%ED%E8%E5_%D3%EA%F0%E
        0%E8%ED%FB_%F1_%D0%EE%F1%F1%E8%E5%E9
  18. Alikovo
    Alikovo 13 June 2013 17: 06 New
    -1
    why they don’t buy from us.
    1. agbykov
      agbykov 13 June 2013 17: 17 New
      +3
      Read "IL-476" - is the choice justified? " http://alex-palagin.livejournal.com/16021.html
  19. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 13 June 2013 17: 30 New
    +1
    Now, Kazakhstan began to purchase Western aircraft.
    Is it really impossible to entrust the development of the An-70 to another team, since they are already engaged in frank sabotage - let the hang gliders construct, why are they hooked on to them, what is the problem?
    1. Akim
      Akim 13 June 2013 17: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      Is it really impossible to entrust the development of the An-70 to another team,

      This is a radical and independent measure on the verge of idiocy. Can I remind you that this is a Kharkov development, and the engines are Zaporozhye .. Who will finish if the only flying instance is in Ukraine. And they won’t give him away - they will be occupied by hang gliders and will be allowed to mount them. The maximum that you can count on: to transfer part of the documentation and for a new term for your own developments. Let them try to make MTA (MTS) with Indian money first.
      1. Ivan Tarasov
        Ivan Tarasov 13 June 2013 19: 23 New
        0
        Transfer production to the Voronezh plant, but the question is with engines ...
        If the engines are useless (which is most likely the reason for the unavailability of the An-70), you will have to create new ones.
        1. Akim
          Akim 13 June 2013 19: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: Ivan Tarasov
          Transfer production to the Voronezh plant, but the question is with engines ...

          What a fright? Who will give you the glider and wing? What do you think An-140T decided to release themselves? This is a whole negotiation process. Yes, it is produced only in Russia, because in this transport version no one else needs it.
          Despite the fact that the An-74TK-300 An-140, and the An-148 family were developed independently by design bureaus, but with Russian components
          1. Akim
            Akim 13 June 2013 20: 11 New
            +1
            I consider the An-140T worse than the modernized An-32, which was delivered to Iraq.
  20. pinecone
    pinecone 13 June 2013 17: 55 New
    +6
    Quote: seasoned
    I’m glad for Kazakhstan, but it seems to me buying different equipment from different countries will its service, operation and training and education of specialists then pour into a haemorrhage? This applies not only to the Air Force, there are a lot of things bought there in the artillery and infantry.


    The Turks ordered 10 of these machines. Surely they will master together.
  21. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 13 June 2013 18: 05 New
    +2
    AN-70 is much better than 400. Rather, they understand that for at least 5 years the plant will be loaded to the eyeballs, so they’ll take it faster.
    1. fedorovith
      fedorovith 13 June 2013 18: 25 New
      +3
      Better, not better, why do they need chamomile? 70 where? And this one has already gone, well done Kazakhs.
  22. Alibekulu
    Alibekulu 13 June 2013 19: 05 New
    13
    Apollo: it is better to buy military transport aircraft from Russia
    valokordin And where is the patriotism of our brothers Kazakhs.
    Duc, Kazakhstan, and wanted to buy, they are not corny request Actually, Kazakhstan was waiting as much as possible, but then there were events in Zhanaozen .. "And then the soldiers were transferred to the old Tu-134 and Tu-154 ministries of emergency situations with almost fully developed motor resources...Because the very concept of waiting for a new aircraft was oriented, on the one hand, to the joint Russian-Ukrainian military transport An-140, and on the other hand, to the new Il-476, the production of which was unfolding in Russia. IL-476 was to replace the IL-76, which was produced in Tashkent. However, after Uzbekistan disrupted the contract for the supply of several dozen aircraft to China under Russian agreements on the sale of military equipment, Moscow decided to transfer production to its territory. Actually, our Ministry of Defense was expecting the appearance on the market of proposals for An-140 and IL-476. But here it was not very simple. Firstly, the An-140 turned out to be a very crude aircraft. More recently, this December, Russia announced that it was stopping the purchase of new An-140 aircraft because its operation, and Moscow bought 18 aircraft, revealed many shortcomings. As for the Il-Xnumx, their delivery to the Russian troops is just beginning, the first contracts have been signed, and it is not clear what the final result will be. But in any case, Russia will first have to satisfy its needs for new aircraft, and then already supply them for export.
    As a result, in December 2011 (during the events in Zhanaozen), we did not have enough military transport aircraft. In 2012, Kazakhstan announced the acquisition of the C-295 military transport aircraft from Airbus. This aircraft, by characteristics, is an exact analogue of the An-72 - the same 10 tons of carrying capacity and 69 paratroopers. Therefore, Kazakhstan was left without new military transport aircraft .. negative Therefore, we all also fly on old Soviet aircraft, which, with all due respect to them and to the repairs carried out on them, are still obsolete both morally and financially. The army buys many types of weapons from us, but it may be better to spend money on updating the military transport aviation, which is really critical for the country's security. At the same time, the country can afford to spend 240 million dollars, for example, on 6 C-295 aircraft, catalog price 40 million. dollars. While one is Russian IL-476 worth more today 100 million dollars. In the meantime, we are still flying old cars of the Soviet era and hope for a chance ..
    http://www.asiakz.com/voenno-transportnoe-pike
  23. Semurg
    Semurg 13 June 2013 19: 23 New
    12
    Well, the assessment in the comments is mostly positive, people understand that today in the CIS there is no equal offer for BTA, and to wait when there is no time to get born there is an old BTA fleet of Kazakhstan, I need an update. For myself, I give a rating plus because I bought BTA planes, and not another member of the board as recently bought AN in vip performance.
    1. Alexander D.
      Alexander D. 14 June 2013 00: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Semurg
      Well, the assessment in the comments is mostly positive, people understand that today in the CIS there is no equal offer for BTA, and to wait when there is no time to get born there is an old BTA fleet of Kazakhstan, I need an update. For myself, I give a rating plus because I bought BTA planes, and not another member of the board as recently bought AN in vip performance.

      And what kind of AN model have you recently bought and what exactly didn’t like? If possible, only specifics.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 14 June 2013 07: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander D.
        Quote: Semurg
        Well, the assessment in the comments is mostly positive, people understand that today in the CIS there is no equal offer for BTA, and to wait when there is no time to get born there is an old BTA fleet of Kazakhstan, I need an update. For myself, I give a rating plus because I bought BTA planes, and not another member of the board as recently bought AN in vip performance.

        And what kind of AN model have you recently bought and what exactly didn’t like? If possible, only specifics.

        The AN-74 did not like the VIP lounge (leather sofas and plasma panels) is clearly not for transporting special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. In more detail below the headline in the news, the heading of type-U of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan appeared its own air jeep.
        1. Alexander D.
          Alexander D. 15 June 2013 00: 21 New
          0
          As far as the photographs show, there is not only a VIP salon, but also for mere mortals. Well, a VIP salon you yourself understand for whom - for people who will fly it 20 times more often than special forces.
  24. zennon
    zennon 13 June 2013 19: 57 New
    +9
    We survived, look! We can’t offer a normal transporter to Kazakhs! sad
  25. waisson
    waisson 13 June 2013 20: 13 New
    -8
    here’s the customs union, war is war, and we’ll have crackers Kazakhs like biscuits. We wouldn’t develop our industry by developing and building new models together as a counterweight to NATO, we didn’t decide to buy used basins from them
    The first copy of the A400M was demonstrated on June 26, 2008 in Seville.
    The first flight of the prototype aircraft took place in 1997. Serial production of the Casa C-295 started in 2000. There are a number of modifications.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 01: 17 New
      +7
      Quote: waisson
      war is war and crackers are apart Kazakhs like biscuits

      Kazakhs generally lovers devour diverse. In addition to the usual food, the Kazakh soldier eats sausage, cheese, fruits, 200 g of juice and 4 eggs per week every day.
      Head of Logistics Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan Talgat Dauletov: "The energy value of daily combined-arms rations in the Republic of Kazakhstan is 4300 kcal - more than in the American army (4255 kcal), the Bundeswehr army (3950 kcal) and only slightly inferior to the Russian army (4374 kcal). But in Unlike our rations, in Russian rations there are no products such as fresh fruits, vegetable juices, sour cream, cottage cheese, which are so necessary for the young body. A ration of food rations and diets is being developed, where the calorie content will be 4850 kcal, which is 476 kcal higher than Russian rations, and the following foods were added: chicken, kefir, honey, garlic, bell peppers, greens. " (October, 2012)
      Keep up with the army and the VV-Schnick. For example, those who are surrounded during city events, in addition to the obligatory three meals a day, get hot tea packed in food containers, a sandwich with sausage and cheese, chocolate, hematogen, garlic and ascorbic acid.
      And at the holidays, sweets, rolls, baursaki and also beshbarmak. So sorry, but the Kazakhs really like to eat a lot and tasty.
      Quote: waisson
      there is no need to develop their industry by developing and building new models together as a counterweight to NATO; no, they decided to buy used basins from them

      1) Kazakhs develop their defense industry, however, the rest of the industry in the civilian sector of the economy. But we cannot produce large airplanes of our own design with a kondachka now. And they are needed today. We have no experience in this, no technology, no specialists, no desire to do this. Although in the field of small aviation it is already possible to boast of the appearance of two factories producing small aircraft. Plus, this year another aircraft factory will open (in conjunction with the American Cessna).
      2) Aircraft purchased in Spain are not used. These are absolutely freshly built aircraft that arrive in Kazakhstan directly from the factory.
      3) Does Russia not buy anything from NATO countries? Or it seemed to me that the Russians allegedly bought Mistral from the French, Iveco from the Italians, sniper rifles from someone else, etc. If it seemed to me, then I’ll go sing out of emotion for the fact that Kazakhstan turned out to be a scoundrel buying goods from NATO, while the Russian army selflessly buys helicopter carriers and armored vehicles from Kazakhstan.
    2. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 14 June 2013 09: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: waisson
      here you have the customs union war war

      You forget to consider the logic of recent purchases with events in Afghanistan. As you know, the Americans are leaving there .. And, Kazakhstan, considering all possible risks, is very seriously preparing for this. However, without exaggerating the possibility of this threat. If you look at the procurement of weapons in K-n over the past few years, you will notice some characteristic trends: 1) The financing of the army has sharply increased; 2) Lately there are massive purchases of weapons; 3) The vector of purchases has changed - their nomenclature says that the Taliban and other semi-partisan formations are considered a potential adversary; 4) In K-several aircraft that underwent repairs in the Russian Federation crashed several times ??! negative The question is what conclusions came to K-not ?!
      5) Now the emphasis is on the development of airborne troops - currently there are five brigades. The question is, what are the quick reaction forces without air transport?! (Of the notorious A-400M and C-295) .. 6) The leadership of the Republic of Kazakhstan insists that the transfer of at least part of the technology and, as far as possible, localization of production in K-not and "Kazakhstan content" in the products ..
      PS Instead of arranging a osrch fool Would have built, for a long time, some thread transport ..
      1. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 14 June 2013 10: 23 New
        +5
        Clarification .. instead of "osrach" - xoxlosrach, bully this word is prohibited))
        PS Instead of arranging an "xoxlsrach" We would have built, for a long time, some thread transport..
  26. waisson
    waisson 13 June 2013 20: 21 New
    +1
    Here is an example of independent states.
    Instead of Turkish technology, Azerbaijan acquired Russian tanks T-90S and self-propelled guns Msta-S
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 13 June 2013 21: 24 New
      +2
      Strange logic ... if he buys Turkish - dependent, Russian - independent. Moreover, that Kazakhstan, that Azerbaijan were precisely part of the RI-USSR, and not Turkey ...
      1. Alexander D.
        Alexander D. 14 June 2013 00: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: cdrt
        Strange logic ... if he buys Turkish - dependent, Russian - independent. Moreover, that Kazakhstan, that Azerbaijan were precisely part of the RI-USSR, and not Turkey ...

        Azerbaijan does everything wisely - an affectionate calf of two queens sucks.
        If there is money and opportunities, why put all the eggs in one basket?
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 13 June 2013 21: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: waisson
      Here is an example of independent states.
      Instead of Turkish technology, Azerbaijan acquired Russian tanks T-90S and self-propelled guns Msta-S

      Azerbaijan and bought Turkish !!!
      The contract for Fyrtyn was written that it will begin to be executed from the middle of this month, that is, deliveries will begin!
  27. arnulla
    arnulla 13 June 2013 21: 37 New
    +6
    Less snot had to be chewed with the AN-70 ... Kazakhs are not required to wait for us and the Ukrainians to get tired of measuring their pussy.
  28. escobar
    escobar 14 June 2013 00: 40 New
    0
    Quote: alexneg
    And how do you like this?

    He looked here and looked with interest at Max. Other fighter jets are not bad either, but one gets the impression: they’ll slow down a bit and will fly down, and the T-50 seems to be floating in its element on invisible waves. This is of course a breakthrough!
  29. Maj.
    Maj. 14 June 2013 06: 19 New
    +1
    Promising military-technical cooperation S-17A (USA), An-70 (Ukraine, Russia) and its export version - An-7X significantly surpass the A-400M in a number of tactical and technical indicators, in particular in terms of the “payload / flight range” criterion, and fully meet European standards, the development of the An-70 MTC is ahead of the A-400M project by at least ten years.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 12: 46 New
      +3
      And I say that the promising MTC MR-2013 is significantly superior to the An-70 in a number of tactical and technical indicators and meets all standards. And the development of the MR-2030 is ahead of all promising aircraft by 150 years, because can easily fly in space.
      I am waiting for the Russians to pay me money for my development. They are almost ready for me. He drew not by hand, but in the program "MS Paint". I hope Russia prefers to buy my drawings or, at least, is ready to wait a decade when I translate my idea into a real plane. After all, Russia should buy only in the CSTO countries laughing