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American special forces are dying like flies, or where the Boston trail leads

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Recently, the Western press reported on the death of two members of a special anti-terrorist unit of the FBI - Christopher Lorek and Stephen Shaw. American alarmists instantly roused a wave of rumors about the murder of these two. By whom? Brutal state machine. Couldn't these cool professionals take a fall out of a helicopter! The media have been mentioned that these guys participated in the detention of the brothers Tsarnaev, sadly famous for the terrorist attack on the Boston marathon. Is it really?

20 May Journalist PilotOnline.com Scott Doggerty gave material about the death of two members of the elite anti-terrorist unit of the FBI. Both fighters died during the exercise, practicing the rapid descent of the rope from the helicopter to the ship. This was announced in a statement to the FBI press.

The bureau has provided scant details about the death of special agents Lorek and Shaw. It was said that the helicopter ran into uncertain difficulties, and the agents collapsed from a "considerable height."

As an anonymous law enforcement source told Pilot, the incident occurred about xNUMX nautical miles off the coast of Virginia Beach. The official version of the tragedy is bad weather. It was clarified that agents - members of the FBI rescue team for the release of hostages, based in Quantico - fell into the water. The official said that, in his opinion, the agents did not drown, but died as a result of the injury.

Glenn McBride, a spokesman for the state medical examiner office, said that determining the ultimate cause and nature of the death of the two agents may take months. You should also wait for the results of toxicological expertise.

Danny Coulson, a former deputy assistant director of the FBI who started working with the 30 team years ago and was her first commander, explained that this is the most trained unit — perhaps not only in the US, but in the world.

"They must fulfill any mission at any time."


Among other things, members of this hostage rescue team are trained to climb a helicopter from a rope, scuba dive and use explosives to knock doors and smash walls. If necessary, the team can turn around within four hours anywhere in the United States.

“It sounds cool, but it’s absolutely true,” notes Mr. Coulson. These guys, he says, "have the same skills as SEAL Team 6 and Delta Force."

Collectively, this team participated in more than 850 incidents involving terrorism, violent crimes and foreign counterintelligence (information from the FBI website).

This team, the journalist writes, took part in the arrest of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. Earlier in February, fighters from this team rescued an 5-year-old boy, who was held hostage by a criminal for six days in an underground bunker in Alabama.

“Whenever things go really badly, the FBI calls the hostage rescue team. This is the 911 government, ”said Coulson.

Coulson also stressed that the team members are not just some kind of dull force. It takes a lot more to become a member of the hostage rescue team. “It's not just biceps and triceps. It requires intellectual muscles, ”he explained. About the death of Lorek and Shaw, whom he considered "the most prepared people in the world," Coulson said sadly: "This is a national loss."

Ten days later, Scott Doggerty on the same resource. PilotOnline.com posted a new article.

The article speaks of a “accidental fall from a helicopter during an exercise”, which was confirmed by the state medical examination office. The cause of death of special agents Christopher Lorek and Stephen Shaw were "blunt injuries caused by the fall." So says Rob Robinson, a leading expert. A fall is classified as an accident.

It turns out that we add from our own that both special agents died, falling from a very great height and hitting the water.

The journalist once again reminds that the special team took part in the arrest of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. However, in order to correct some erroneous media reports, Special Agent Ann Todd, the FBI spokeswoman in Washington, said that Lorek and Shaw did not directly participate in the detention of Tsarnaev. They were not even in Watertown, Massachusetts, during the arrest of the suspect.

Портал fbii.org (not to be confused with the FBI), referring to the Daily Mail newspaper, writes about the death of employees of the elite special forces of the FBI as strange.

3’s June 2013 report states that Christopher Lorek and Stephen Shaw, professionals “with a capital letter,” in April “took an active part in detaining the Tsarnaev brothers suspected of organizing Boston bombings.” But later, during the exercise, both federal agents suddenly broke to death.

The media compared this tragedy with the deaths of thirty “sea lions” who once liquidated Osama bin Laden. Shortly after the death of "terrorist number XXUMX", the Taliban shot down an American helicopter, in which almost all the participants in the operation found themselves. The lead of the Islamists was given, in fact, by Barack Obama: he publicly called the unit and praised the servicemen. Before, neither the names nor the data about the units that performed such “black” work were not disclosed.

Journalists had another parallel with the recent death of US Air Force former captain Philip Marshall, who published a number of books in which he argued that the September 12 11 twin explosions were organized by the Bush administration in collusion with Saudi Arabian secret services.

"To drive heavy commercial airliners, the hijackers were drafted for 18 months in California, Florida and Arizona," wrote Marshall. The writer and his children were found dead in their own home in February of this year. Authorities presented the case as a domestic murder, followed by suicide.

Then the journalists made historical excursion. According to their assumptions, the victims of the American special services were Marilyn Monroe and Martin Luther King. And the assassination of John F. Kennedy was also organized by Washington reactionary circles, infuriated by both the peaceful outcome of the Caribbean crisis and Kennedy’s decision to withdraw troops from Vietnam.

And here, for example, that writes domestic "Beep": “The FBI agents who eliminated Tamerlan Tsarnaev began to die: Christopher Lorek and Stephen Shaw crashed, falling from several hundred meters ... The accident occurred during the exercises, which American intelligence services carried out 12 nautical miles from the coast of Virginia ... bureaus of investigations report that both specialists accidentally fell out of a helicopter while working on a complex maneuver. ”

Or here is the title of a note by Igor Subbotin ("Moscow Komsomol"): "Two FBI officers who were hunting the Tsarnaevs crashed under strange circumstances."

"Vesti", referring to ITAR-TASS, object to alarmists: “FBI special agents from the helicopter 41-year-old Christopher Lorek and 40-year-old Stephen Shaw were not involved in the special operation to neutralize the Tsarnaev brothers, who organized the attacks on the Boston marathon. According to the American authorities, on that day, April 19, they were not even in the city. ”

Recall, the same is written by the American Scott Doggerty, who transmitted a statement from the FBI spokesman in Washington that Lorek and Shaw not only did not directly participate in the detention of Tsarnaev, but were not even in Watertown during the operation.

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  1. fenix57
    fenix57 17 June 2013 07: 44
    38
    Who knew a lot, he lived a little. Axiom however. wink
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    2. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 17 June 2013 09: 16
      +8
      The more their agents perish strangely, the better. Let the rest run and repent, like Browder.
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 17 June 2013 10: 53
        +4
        Quote: Nikolay S.
        The more their agents perish strangely, the better. Let the rest run and repent, like Browder.


        Did the broder already repent? As far as I remember, the last thing he did was say that the GDP personally killed Magnitsky ...

        What is chicken brother ??
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 17 June 2013 11: 07
          +4
          Quote: Geisenberg
          Did the broder already repent?

          Confused Browder with Snowden. These amerikosy all on one person and a surname.

          Read correctly at the top: The rest let them run and repent, like Snowden.
      2. stroporez
        stroporez 17 June 2013 11: 24
        +9
        in -------- good amer --- dead amer ...........
    3. Nevsky
      Nevsky 17 June 2013 11: 24
      +6
      Or maybe these guys were from another team, for example, this one, which "led" and "framed" the Tsarnaevs:

      1. fero
        fero 17 June 2013 11: 35
        +2
        These are CHOPovtsy, people are quite "official" for such an event (marathon). They are unlikely to be guides.
        I caught myself thinking that in the modern world with a bunch of shooting equipment, it’s difficult to go unnoticed not only by ordinary citizens, but also by special services winked
        1. Yun Klob
          Yun Klob 17 June 2013 11: 57
          +3
          Backpacks (you understand) were very necessary for these Chopovites.
    4. Airman
      Airman 17 June 2013 14: 45
      +1
      Quote: fenix57
      Who knew a lot, he lived a little. Axiom however. wink


      They were used blindly, and they were at the wrong time and in the wrong place.
      1. Vasya Ivanov
        Vasya Ivanov 17 June 2013 15: 17
        +4
        There was also information that the team that cleared Osama bin Laden crashed in a helicopter in full force, by accident. It means fate, and their fate is written by the director of the CIA along with Obama.
    5. APASUS
      APASUS 17 June 2013 20: 57
      +3
      Quote: fenix57
      Who knew a lot, he lived a little. Axiom however.

      Exactly !
      So died a group of specialists who took Benya Incense.
      These two fell out of a helicopter, which overwhelmed one of the Tsarnaev brothers.
      There is no person and no problems - only the official version!
  2. Dima190579
    Dima190579 17 June 2013 07: 44
    12
    The bad thing is that man is mortal. Even worse, a person is mortal suddenly.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 17 June 2013 08: 58
      +5
      Quote: .....
      “Have the same skills as SEAL Team 6 and Delta Force.”



      They won’t tell the truth anyway. And mistakes can always be turned into a feat.
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 17 June 2013 10: 56
        +5
        Quote: Vadivak
        Quote: .....
        “Have the same skills as SEAL Team 6 and Delta Force.”

        They won’t tell the truth anyway. And mistakes can always be turned into a feat.



        It is characteristic that the most prepared and faithful people die. There would be more such operations as the elimination of unnecessary Osama by anyone and in America, special forces would remain.
  3. mogus
    mogus 17 June 2013 07: 46
    16
    explosions of the “twins” on September 11, 2001 were organized

    The burning temperature of kerosene is 800 degrees. The melting point of metal is from 1350 degrees. What destroyed the supporting metal beams?
    1. Alexss
      Alexss 17 June 2013 08: 14
      -4
      from 1350 without pressure, under pressure the temperature will drop
      1. mogus
        mogus 17 June 2013 09: 39
        14
        Do you mean the deformation of the supporting structures under the weight of the building when exposed to temperature?
        For forging steel, it is heated to a temperature of more than 1000 degrees, the lower temperature for stopping forging is 800-850 degrees (depending on the grade of steel). Below this temperature, steel almost does not lend itself.
        The metal has a property - the distribution of temperature over the body of the product. In ten minutes, you can heat several tons of steel to a critical temperature?
        Suppose that the critical temperature has accumulated: then we have, out of eight beams in the WTC - four are damaged by temperature on one side of the building, on the other whole. Conclusion: the building, in the place of damage, can bend towards the aircraft, but will not collapse!
        1. YARY
          YARY 17 June 2013 09: 57
          +2
          Michael Moore EVERYTHING SHOWN.
          But I like, there are fewer cockroaches and all right, it’s a pity that it’s not 5-6 million or 50-60. And so it’s nice.
          1. mogus
            mogus 17 June 2013 10: 43
            +5
            the picture of the defeated enemy cannot but rejoice, but ordinary people who did not care before politics died there.
            I'm rushing from breaking their template, and even when they find out that I'm just a techie ... fellow
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 17 June 2013 11: 03
              +3
              Quote: mogus
              but ordinary people who didn’t care before politics died there.

              To understand this, you need to make the brain work, if any.
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              2. YARY
                YARY 17 June 2013 12: 21
                +1
                Want to gossip Vadim?
                About "ordinary Americans" whom I consider cockroaches.
                As long as there exists at least one of their individuals will not rest anyone.
                Is this, of course, personally Clinton himself with the burnt and his administration bonbil Yugoslavia?
                The same as Korea and Vietnam - only the administration fought? and Iraq? And Libya?
                Say, they are "the soldiers ordered them" ....
                But here we come to a very interesting fact.
                To the determination of the responsibility of an ordinary citizen for the actions of his country
                What is the election of rulers?
                The delegation of his right to make decisions. Political, economic, militarye.

                1H NEXT
                1. YARY
                  YARY 17 June 2013 12: 27
                  +3
                  2h
                  For people who are not far away, this is a "one-way" road.
                  I chose and that's it. But no.By choosing, you not only gave someone the right to decide for you, but also receive responsibility for his decisions, any!
                  Realizing this, "ordinary Americans" came out to protest rallies of many thousands and ultimately forced their government to end the war in Vietnam!
                  1. YARY
                    YARY 17 June 2013 12: 32
                    +8
                    3 h
                    So I don’t see rallies and protests in SyShyShka. For no reason. All "for"
                    Responsibility - for a long time did not come to the land of the North American continent. Debt has accumulated over dozens of generations.
                    A country living by deceit, robbery, lies, and blood of other nations is OBLIGED TO BE DESTROYED AT THE ROOT!
                    1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
                      NOBODY EXCEPT US 17 June 2013 21: 14
                      0
                      So you think that our soldiers lay the blame for the deaths of more than a million peaceful Afghans during the 10 years of the war, for the destroyed Chechen cities and so on, well, you are a citizen however ..... imbitsil ... I wrote another word but Moder did not let .. .
                    2. kavkaz8888
                      kavkaz8888 17 June 2013 21: 26
                      +1
                      CARTHAGEN MUST BE DESTROYED.
                2. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 17 June 2013 14: 33
                  +2
                  Quote: Ardent
                  Do you want to gossip Vadim ?.


                  Such communication is unpleasant for me, for some reason you distort the Russian language, use obscene language, your comments often look like foul language. I could give you a bunch of warnings, but I think this personality will not change
                  1. YARY
                    YARY 17 June 2013 15: 35
                    -1
                    distort the Russian language, use foul language, your comments often look like arenas.


                    Evidence in the studio!
                    1. Vadivak
                      Vadivak 17 June 2013 15: 52
                      +5
                      Quote: Ardent
                      Evidence in the studio!



                      Yes, please, even though I am disgusted

                      YARY RU June 15, 2013 12:46
                      Who the fuck is ... this damn Abama?
                      Why bother with her?
                      Or bought the Russian government?
                      Or sycotic?
                      Hai Putin will pull a finger from the place where he stuck it during the Libyan mess and begin to behave like a man! Or is he what?
                      YARY RU June 14, 2013 15:12
                      OOOOO Daaaaa !!!
                      These warriors, like SyShyashka, can only fight with women and boys! And they can be afraid of an adequate response! After all, there are many former Residents of the Israeli Valley in SyShyashka - so as they say - "... they found each other!"
                      And taking into account Obashki-S-300’s claims for all this gangster gang as a father’s belt for a naughty kid.
                      Piss off when scared!

                      YARY RU June 13, 2013 21:17
                      Hitler was incited by bankers from the inhabitants of the Israeli Valley by birth. The currents are not the ones that shovel the boots, but those that the profits count.
                      And lope entih non-Russians chichaza on the Russian oil pipe sit ah? and on diamonds? and on luminium and so forth. ???
                      1. YARY
                        YARY 17 June 2013 16: 07
                        -5
                        Well?
                        Hde mate?
                        Where is bad war?
                        Where the distortion of the native language?

                        After all the above, there is only one statement on the fact-
                        This definition is unknown to you SPEECHES as TALK this time
                        Second- the mat for you is all that does not fit into your smooth system of hospitable expressions.
                        Probably EPISTOLIC GENRE as ART STATEMENT unknown to you too.
                        Well, since 2x2 = 4 Education reform in Russia has touched you in all its parts.
                        Now, advice to you, as a person who has taken the trouble to be a MODERATOR: Take the Soviet-style textbook "Rodnaya Spech", preferably from the 60s, and at least read the introduction.
                        GOD HELP.
                      2. experienced
                        experienced 17 June 2013 16: 09
                        +4
                        Quote: Ardent
                        Well and? Hde mate? Hde bad fighting?

                        Your affairs are wonderful ...
                        Quote: Ardent
                        Where the distortion of the native language?

                        Patsansko Gopnikovsky? After all, they received Soviet education.
                  2. experienced
                    experienced 17 June 2013 15: 54
                    +3
                    Quote: Ardent
                    Evidence in the studio!

                    Isn’t it easier to go into the character’s comments and read them? laughing Recall your imperishable, so to speak wassat At first I was jarred by this belligerent village-style agitator, then I spat. A person must be brought up from childhood, now it's too late, just "flog" (ban) hi
                    1. YARY
                      YARY 17 June 2013 16: 13
                      -4
                      experienced?
                      and with such a drive to shout at the village?
                      Well, experienced, but where does the potato and milk come from? I mean food safety?
                      Here's someone to think about what to write and how so too and not to me ....
                    2. Vadivak
                      Vadivak 17 June 2013 16: 21
                      +3
                      Quote: Ardent
                      and with such a drive to shout at the village?


                      You’re lying not rural, this time you don’t have to insult the president
                    3. YARY
                      YARY 17 June 2013 16: 28
                      0
                      So about the identity!
                      My city is the longest sweetheart, in Sochi there are everything and villages and villages and farms, there are also tokma houses on the mountain or under the mountain.
                      HOW DO YOU THINK?
                      Acromia of this, I not only find myself at home. I dig in such roots as there is no name.
                      And respect the OPINION and LANGUAGE and TALK of those with whom fate brought holy! Which I advise you.
                    4. Vadivak
                      Vadivak 17 June 2013 16: 37
                      +3
                      Quote: Ardent
                      probably the EPISTOLIC GENRE as well as the ARTISTIC exposition are unknown to you either.


                      Why is there one writer hanging out here, not your friend for an hour?

                      http://pavel-khmelnitskiy.narod.ru/index.files/page0007.htm
                    5. YARY
                      YARY 17 June 2013 17: 04
                      -2
                      Nuuu dear, rude please?
                      I think the conversation has come to an end.
              3. experienced
                experienced 17 June 2013 16: 27
                +2
                Quote: Ardent
                experienced? and with such a drive to shout at the village?

                I don’t pry, I’m for justice. Nick and "drove" different things. Rural or urban are also different, as well as the layer of the intelligentsia. You just stand up for your own and carry ideas to the masses, but at least pay attention to grammar laughing
                Quote: Ardent
                Well, experienced, but where does the potato and milk come from? that is, food safety? Who cares what to write and how so too and not to me ....

                And from childhood he was accustomed to vegetable gardens and had to milk the cow and beat the pigs. So I know that buns do not grow on trees. Maybe instead of incriminating me in "lightness" or "criminality" it's time to look at yourself? wink
              4. YARY
                YARY 17 June 2013 16: 32
                -2
                And who says that I am a chervonets?
                Well, but if for every lover of manners, the head can also grow second and gobble up the first!

                PySy
                So I wonder if you are ashamed of your names and surnames?
                You read (nicknames) spitting pulls.
                That's because the brain washed you overseas media complex.
  • Petrospek
    Petrospek 17 June 2013 17: 09
    +1
    So these people, well, at least some of them voted for this president. This is called democracy, and since you voted for this president, you also bear some responsibility for his actions (although disproportionately less than he does, you bear).

    As for the beams, do you take into account that some of them were destroyed by an airplane strike, or very badly damaged?
    1. mogus
      mogus 18 June 2013 03: 48
      0
      About the beams, and you
      take into account that some of them
      was destroyed by a blow
      airplane, or very
      badly damaged?

      For these types of buildings, the load-bearing beams are inside (approximately in the middle between the center and the edge). Almost all destructive power was extinguished in reinforced concrete structures. If there were damage, then it is not critical. Why were the remains of beams taken out of the country for scrap (remelting)? - swept the tracks.
  • fero
    fero 17 June 2013 09: 44
    +3
    AlexSS, what pressure are you talking about? .. Do you mean that the steel structures of the towers were in tension?

    PS And the third building (WTC-7) was also in a "tense state"? wink
  • Scoun
    Scoun 17 June 2013 10: 10
    +5
    Quote: AlexSS
    from 1350 without pressure, under pressure the temperature will drop

    The lower floors did not burn ... there should have been at least a little protruding pins (rods) and the building collapsed level ... but in general, watch the video chronicle ... and in theory, the upper part should have started to fall in the direction into which the plane crashed .. and the towers for some reason "settled".
    PS.
    Metal rods were not even subjected to examination ... but were immediately exported for remelting ...
    See how demolish buildings by demolition
    1. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 17 June 2013 11: 01
      +4
      Quote: Scoun
      The lower floors did not burn ... sticking pins should have remained at least a little


      Both skyscrapers should only remain with damage. It is believed that the building itself could not collapse with an acceleration equal to the acceleration of free fall.
  • Phantom Revolution
    Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 08: 55
    17
    As soon as they clean it up, this whole performance about the explosions in Boston was simply done badly.
    From one photo you can already understand that this is a file.
    Take a closer look at emotions, the second at blood stains, they are not there! From a wound blood will be fountain in case of such an injury, because the veins are affected, even if the leg was bandaged, for example, blood stains should drip and everything is clean, even there is no trace. Either the protagonist has super coagulability of blood or it is a fake, in the article below just the same protagonist is shown without legs, but the photo without legs was lost before these events in Iraq.

    http://www.porjati.net/uploads/posts/2013-05/1368199954_409286_original.jpg



    here it is fully stated.
    http://zema.su/blog/bostonskii-terakt-deshevyi-spektakl-foto-video
    complemented by a variety of photos.
    http://www.porjati.net/tragedies/8951-bostonskiy-spektakl-.html
    1. Constantine
      Constantine 17 June 2013 11: 18
      +2
      He, like others, is likely to be liquidated as well. his recognition may cost all operations it has already been burned, it is only a matter of price and time. Although, I suspect, he did this not even for a large sum of money, but for an idea that was driven into his head with a sauce of patriotism.
    2. wei
      wei 17 June 2013 14: 41
      +2
      add
      when I saw the explosions (a short storyline of a minute and a half on livenews) I was struck by the flow of information everything was filmed somehow strange as an amateur but professionally. But most of all I remembered the moment when the operator holds the camera for 3-4 seconds on the flags of the participating countries, our and Serbian .That I think whoever would be blamed, and the sediment will remain, such as it seemed to me then an advertising trick. For I do not see the logic of removing flags when the bodies are nearby, fermentation and sweeping. Naturally, it was still not known about the tsarists, but he was not paranoid but thoughtful.
      John F. Kennedy’s assassination was also organized by Washington reactionary circles, infuriated by both the peaceful outcome of the Caribbean crisis and Kennedy’s decision to withdraw troops from Vietnam

      The Caribbean and Vietnam are just political instruments of financial institutions; there, for the money, he did not suit many
    3. sanych your division
      sanych your division 17 June 2013 23: 44
      0
      I agree with you. something tight became staged in Hollywood. or in a hurry. improvised on the go. a person with such a wound cannot have such a facial expression. I've seen something like this. or he must be under the influence of a very cool dope or something ...
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 17 June 2013 10: 58
    0
    Quote: mogus
    What destroyed the supporting metal beams?


    ... what-what ... X4 destroyed them
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 17 June 2013 12: 03
      +6
      Ts4 destroyed them

      Here is what, for example, the steel structure of one of the WTC Twin Towers looked like:
      steel structure of one of the WTC Twin Towers


      These steel columns were incredibly thick-walled — each wall was 2,5 inches (6,35 cm) thick, so the total thickness of each of the columns was 5 inches (12,7 cm). To imagine how much this is, here is a good example for comparison: the frontal armor of the best of the tanks of the Second World War - the T-34 - was only 1,8 inches (4,5 cm) and it was single-walled.

      However, in those days there was practically no artillery armor-piercing projectile capable of penetrating this armor. Of course, that no explosives can likewise ever break through the frontal armor of a tank (except for cumulative charges; but even cumulative charges cannot break through such armor in the sense in which we consider it here - such charges can only burn through a narrow hole in the armor plate).

      Taking into account that the steel frames of the Twin Towers consisted of double-walled columns that were almost three times thicker than the frontal armor of the T-34 tank, it is safe to say that it was impossible to find any way to simultaneously kill such columns in many places to ensure the effect of "implosion" - which is the main purpose of the controlled destruction of buildings (demolition).

      Of course, it was technically possible to interrupt some of these columns in certain places, using exceptionally large cumulative charges attached to each column, but even such an implausible solution would never lead to the desired result. The towers were simply too tall and too strong - their steel frames would have to be slaughtered in too many places on each of their floors - a solution that no one could afford. And even if someone could afford it, then in this case there would be no guarantee that such a high-rise building would collapse right within the outline of its perimeter. Its wreckage could well scatter for half a mile in the vicinity, given simply the height of the buildings themselves [415 meters]. Therefore, demolishing these buildings using traditional demolition methods was absolutely impossible.
      http://www.ex007.com/2008-09-911.html
      1. Colonel
        Colonel 17 June 2013 14: 33
        +1
        Those. do you support the official version about burning kerosene? In the 1st film "Zeitgeist" quite competently embraces and illustrates the issue of purposeful destruction of load-bearing beams.
    2. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 18: 34
      +2
      ... what-what ... X4 destroyed them

      Termite charges.
      1. SlavaP
        SlavaP 17 June 2013 23: 22
        0
        I read an interesting theory that powerful charges were actually laid at the base of both towers during construction. Precisely so that when the time comes, they are carefully demolished "without noise and dust." And when "these" chose a place for the show, they settled on the WTC - destruction is guaranteed!
        1. mogus
          mogus 18 June 2013 03: 53
          +1
          if the foundation is destroyed, then the building itself will retain sufficient strength so that it does not collapse. There are such videos on youtube with bad passable. the building may collapse on its side.
  • Iraclius
    Iraclius 17 June 2013 07: 49
    11
    As my Teacher used to say: "Twice two is not three hundred. Three times three is not three hundred. Stozhdi one hundred is not three hundred. Something is not clean here."
    As you like, but paraphrasing M.A. Bulgakov, professionals of this level do not fall from a helicopter by themselves. hi
    All the good days!
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 17 June 2013 09: 32
      +5
      Quote: Iraclius
      paraphrasing M.A. Bulgakov, professionals of this level do not fall from a helicopter by themselves.

      Their trouble is that they knew too much!
      Knowledge is power? No, knowledge is mortal danger! - the saying of the special services.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 17 June 2013 07: 56
    +8
    In fact, Barack Obama gave the tip to the Islamists: he publicly named the unit and praised the military.

    More often, more ... And louder, louder ...
  • erased
    erased 17 June 2013 08: 09
    +9
    American authorities are getting rid of witnesses and overly meticulous specialists. A bad example is contagious ...
  • Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 17 June 2013 08: 20
    +2
    Perhaps someone cleans the tracks, maybe now everyone with a certain relationship to this will gradually be cleared ...
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 17 June 2013 09: 53
      +1
      Quote: Yuri11076
      someone cleans the tracks

      Then they’ll clean it, then those who cleaned the first and so the circle closed! Is this how real specialists work, destroying their own kind ???
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 17 June 2013 10: 38
        +2
        Quote: avant-garde
        Is this how real specialists work, destroying their own kind ???

        Or maybe it's all lies? Declared "some" dead, and they quietly "walk" in another state (or country)?
        1. avant-garde
          avant-garde 17 June 2013 11: 07
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          Or maybe that's all a lie?

          Or maybe it’s a lie who knows him, but in general what kind of specialists are these, what the whole world says about them recourse, strange as that!
    2. lesnik340
      lesnik340 17 June 2013 10: 25
      +1
      Most likely this is the beginning of the witch hunt.
  • Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 17 June 2013 08: 22
    +4
    Interestingly, is this the whole list of fallen, or just the tip of the iceberg? Soon there will be deaths from senior management and very high-profile, the drain has begun.
  • Dangerous
    Dangerous 17 June 2013 08: 33
    +1
    The author minus for such an idiotic title of the article. To compare the special forces of the elite unit with flies, all the more to write in such a tone "die like flies" ... The author is such a fierce American-hater ???
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 17 June 2013 09: 13
      +4
      This is a metaphor.
      1. Dangerous
        Dangerous 17 June 2013 09: 41
        -7
        This metaphor in some jaundiced edition would be useful, and not at a military-patriotic forum. And the moderators should follow the articles and not let outright nonsense on the "air"
    2. Humpty
      Humpty 17 June 2013 09: 44
      +3
      Quote: Dangerous
      The author is such a fierce American hater ???


      Why on earth can you love the American military? Where they just did not cheat.
      http://www.rg.ru/2008/08/06/kirgizia-sklad.html
      A link about how a simple man found a gang of American terrorists and diplomats in a neighboring house.

      The whole thing was hushed up, lowered by brakes.
    3. Ivan.
      Ivan. 17 June 2013 10: 39
      +2
      Quote: Dangerous
      The author is such a fierce American hater ???

      On the contrary, he loves them like me - dead, like flies ... no - like amoeba. And Americans both sat and sit on reservations.
      Quote: Dangerous
      fierce hater

      You tell this to the million that die every year as a result of the actions of those who usurped the name - the Americans.
  • Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 17 June 2013 08: 45
    +1
    Quote: mogus
    explosions of the “twins” on September 11, 2001 were organized

    The burning temperature of kerosene is 800 degrees. The melting point of metal is from 1350 degrees. What destroyed the supporting metal beams?

    Directional explosion.
    1. mogus
      mogus 17 June 2013 09: 53
      0
      depending on what you mean by "directional explosion".
      If one explosion is at the base, then there is no guarantee that the building will not collapse on its side or even collapse.
      When demolishing high-rise buildings, with the help of the destruction of the supporting structures, directional explosions are used along the entire height of the supporting beams. The main thing is the synchronization of undermining all charges. The charges are placed at an angle of about 45 degrees so that under the weight of the building the metal structures do not have support on each other.
      Attempts to demolish buildings, an explosion at the base, are on youtube, frames with a blockage of buildings on the side are just shown. Well, compare with the WTC exemplary demolitions.
  • Grbear
    Grbear 17 June 2013 08: 54
    +2
    Kennedy, King, Monroe - this is somehow understandable. Specific people interfered with other specific people. The special services will not "shoot" large caliber pawns. The death of special forces is the result of the sum of risks that form part of their profession. And out of boredom or for the rating, you can attract aliens or an Arab resident - ABOMA.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 17 June 2013 11: 10
      0
      "Special services will not" shoot "large-caliber pawns"
      Well, actually this is their job. That is, "shoot" at potentially dangerous people, they are pawns, queens or towers. But about the "sum of risks" ... two people fall from a helicopter - it's not even funny. What surprises me most is the belief that someone has died. The commandos could say too much, then yes. But these are special forces!
      And John Smith and John Doe, peaceful hairdressers from Omaha? There is a witness protection program ... and a huge reluctance to answer to all kinds of commissions. In addition, and this is very important, there are colleagues of these people. And if their colleagues "fall out of the helicopter," no matter how other time the others refuse to do their dirty work! And so in the community of special forces on hints (and this is immeasurably stronger than any officialism) from eyewitnesses will spread - "fell out of the helicopter." To a hairdresser in Omaha. And in half a year we will meet them with the same toys at a similar job ...
  • Severin
    Severin 17 June 2013 08: 54
    +1
    All oddities beg for obvious conclusions
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 17 June 2013 08: 57
    +3
    EVERYTHING IS JUST LIKE THAT !!! because in order to stay white and fluffy as long as possible, you must certainly wipe bloody traces behind yourself !!!
  • vasek-3180
    vasek-3180 17 June 2013 09: 01
    +4
    Danny Coulson, a former deputy assistant director of the FBI who started working with the 30 team years ago and was her first commander, explained that this is the most trained unit — perhaps not only in the US, but in the world.
    Old tradition, but hard to believe ... laughing
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 17 June 2013 09: 08
    +4
    The media compared this tragedy with the death of thirty "fur seals" who once eliminated Osama bin Laden. Soon after the death of "terrorist number 1," the Taliban shot down an American helicopter, in which almost all the participants in the operation were. In fact, Barack Obama gave the tip to the Islamists: he publicly named the unit and praised the military. Before, neither the surname nor the data on the units performing such “black” work were disclosed. (Quote)

    But this message is just a class! and that even after that, anyone is still confident in the randomness of everything that happens !! It’s not honorable to serve in Amer’s special units, but it’s terribly dangerous because their employer personally issues the liquidation for their destruction laughing
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 17 June 2013 09: 35
      +2
      Quote: regressSSSR
      once eliminated Osama bin Laden.


      Which of bin Ladens, animated or "real", which for reasons of humanism was not shown in American cinema, as the "enemy of democracy" Katduffy.
  • goody
    goody 17 June 2013 09: 17
    +1
    So in America there are people who disagree with the system ...
    1. Constantine
      Constantine 17 June 2013 11: 59
      0
      The main thing is that there are more such dissent. There is such a trend and it pleases)
  • cartridge
    cartridge 17 June 2013 09: 21
    +1
    Your deeds are dark, Lord!
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 17 June 2013 09: 27
    +1
    The accident occurred during exercises that the US intelligence agencies conducted 12 nautical miles from the coast of Virginia ... The press service of the Federal Bureau of Investigation reports that both specialists accidentally dropped out of a helicopter while practicing a complex maneuver. "

    I’d like to see statistics, but how many people in the USA are releasing higher-education special agents on helicopter students laughing
    1. yorik_gagarin
      yorik_gagarin 17 June 2013 09: 39
      +1
      And what to watch her ..... for example, what happened to the special forces who took Benladen .... the helicopter crashed in Avgan .... no one survived. http://www.5-tv.ru/news/43689/
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 17 June 2013 09: 39
    +1
    from the Don.
    And in my opinion, the Americans are not stupid, and hide their lit agents under the witness protection program!
  • shamil
    shamil 17 June 2013 09: 40
    +1
    it doesn’t seem like an accident to the American government that they spit on their own people. the attack itself staged witnesses removed
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 17 June 2013 09: 47
    +5
    We train, arrange, substitute, soak.
    1. dc120mm
      dc120mm 17 June 2013 10: 30
      +2
      Quote: Dimy4
      We train, arrange, substitute, soak.

      Exactly wink
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 17 June 2013 11: 03
        0
        Quote: dc120mm
        We train, arrange, substitute, soak.

        They say about 850 special operations, and how many of them are illegal and criminal - not all power is knowledge, but judging by the fact that the reason will be established for months or even years, all this may be nonsense (they will simply "change their identity"), in any case they forty is the limit.
  • individual
    individual 17 June 2013 10: 06
    +2
    In the special forces are the most prepared, but tasks, training and exercises are also carried out with increased complexity.
    Apparently, the soldiers of their special forces did not calculate something in their maneuver or in their forces, and in the real lists of revenge for terrorists of Al-Qaeda there were simply counted, but not military losses.
    Not a single high-readiness troop group is safe from this.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 17 June 2013 10: 27
    +1
    Looks like the escaped NSA really scared someone somewhere, so they decided to do a little cleaning just in case, as after the "elimination" of Bin Laden, to see serving in the US special forces becomes life threatening.
    1. Petrospek
      Petrospek 17 June 2013 17: 27
      0
      He escaped much later, so these two cases had nothing to do with it.
  • fisherman
    fisherman 17 June 2013 10: 35
    +4
    And the special services themselves, ready to be scapegoats? or is their brain so washed that they don’t understand who is to blame for the death of their colleagues? or my hut from the edge.?
    1. Constantine
      Constantine 17 June 2013 12: 02
      0
      I suspect that ordinary people are stuffed with patriotic themes and also reduce many actions, training, to instincts. There is a good video about US Army veterans who were thrown out as garbage after the service. I suspect that the soldiers are special. units are on a similar wave.

      Here is the movie, if interested:
  • misham
    misham 17 June 2013 10: 43
    +1
    . Around the enemies. Even in their native Americanism. Don’t sew the mare’s tail.
    Well, they dropped a couple of specialists from the turntable. All are mortal. You can accidentally get into an accident. This is all probability theory. Exercise is always fraught with risk. The profession of people to defend such a homeland (albeit America)
  • Soviet_Union
    Soviet_Union 17 June 2013 11: 04
    0
    Humanly sorry for these specialists. They fulfilled their oath of debt on all continents for their country, and then they became unnecessary to it.
  • hramckov2012
    hramckov2012 17 June 2013 12: 07
    -1
    Quote: Nikolay S.
    The more their agents perish strangely, the better. Let the rest run and repent, like Browder.

    dear ashamed to rejoice when specialists die even if they are from the usa
    1. Andrew-001
      Andrew-001 17 June 2013 13: 34
      -1
      Forgive me for cynicism - but why not enjoy the good news - fewer specialists have the enemy - we are better off.
  • vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 17 June 2013 13: 36
    0
    but I’m not ashamed, it offends me that only two specialists from hundreds fell out who walk around the world in the struggle for dermocracy!
  • Igor39
    Igor39 17 June 2013 15: 07
    +1
    Yankees stir up water on foreign territory, stir up on their territory, stir up with foreign citizens, stir up with their citizens, their own flee from them and surrender everything they know. There is a Russian proverb: How much the rope does not curl, the end will still be. We are waiting for comrades!
  • ed65b
    ed65b 17 June 2013 16: 19
    +2
    Alarmists everywhere seek a conspiracy. guys just fell, it happens. Remember some time ago our specialist crashed, it happens that you don’t need to look for conspiracies.
  • The gentleman
    The gentleman 17 June 2013 16: 38
    +1
    even if it is true that the soldier was "removed", then in any case it is clear that there is rot inside the military. no one wants to take responsibility. there is no connection between each other, everyone is trying to bring their department to the fore. well, let it be even better for all
  • viktoxz
    viktoxz 17 June 2013 16: 48
    -3
    people you have not heard that the entire database of Internet users has been leaked to the network with open access! There is all the information from personal photos and videos to personal correspondence and copies of documents. There you can of course delete your data if you do not want everyone to see them. Here is the link- http://addr.pk/a619a
  • Galinanp
    Galinanp 17 June 2013 18: 08
    +4
    In the CIA and MI6, there is an unwritten law: in the event of a threat of exposure of an operation, to clean up the carriers of information of this operation, regardless of merit, titles and ranks. The Russian special services have an unwritten law: "We will not surrender our own."
  • SIT
    SIT 17 June 2013 18: 12
    +4
    The author of the article quoted the newspaper Gudok, where they write that the agents fell from a height of several hundred meters. Hooters Koreans and the author probably have never been in a helicopter at an altitude of several hundred meters above the Atlantic in May. If there were, then this would not have been written. What idiot would come up with the idea to open the door at such a height and even in bad weather ?! The fact of the matter is that both agents crashed from hitting the water from a height of only 23m! For soldiers who have served for 17 years in a special unit, the group at the entrance to the water should be automatic. In addition, they did not fall naked, but in equipment for working on the sea. How could they both crash to death !?
  • HAIFISCH
    HAIFISCH 17 June 2013 18: 23
    +2
    Quote: SIT
    SIT RU Today, 18:12 New

    The author of the article quoted the newspaper Gudok, where they write that the agents fell from a height of several hundred meters. Hooters Koreans and the author probably have never been in a helicopter at an altitude of several hundred meters above the Atlantic in May. If there were, then this would not have been written. What idiot would come to mind to open the door at such a height and even in bad weather

    It also caught my eye, apparently not a competent journalist. In general, muddy things happen, starting just from September 11, then bin Laden, there really was infa, as if the specialists who destroyed him then crashed, then the Tsernaevs, with them the feeling that they were framed and the guys from PMCs played an important role in this these guys, by the name of Kyle, were shot a little earlier at the shooting range, also under strange circumstances .. then these scandals with revelations, in general there is no smoke without fire ..
  • Bosk
    Bosk 17 June 2013 19: 02
    +1
    Specialists have such a job ... it’s on the line of fire, but what’s the work there ... at the same lope trainings, they break their arms and legs, or something even more serious ... This is what the options here may be different. ..but you don’t have to immediately reject the official version ... because official sources do not always lie ...
  • Kerch
    Kerch 17 June 2013 20: 09
    +4
    Interestingly, the death of American officers does not cause one wild delight in me ??
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  • GEO
    GEO 17 June 2013 21: 35
    0
    Quote: AlexSS
    from 1350 without pressure, under pressure the temperature will drop

    where is the pressure from?
  • Black
    Black 17 June 2013 21: 55
    +2
    Quote: cartridge
    Your deeds are dark, Lord!

    Not to remember His name in vain. Here things are of a different force. Dark.
    The officers of the counter-terrorist units are sorry, like any. struggling with a gad.
  • Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 17 June 2013 22: 39
    +2
    Either their helicopter will crash with a detachment taking Bin Laden, then these two. I am tormented by vague smoothes ...
  • sanych your division
    sanych your division 17 June 2013 23: 50
    +1
    oh another peace prize in the studio !!! Barack Obamovich! Well, who else? people calm down. assiduously delivers weapons to terrorists. pe..ick caresses. He doesn’t forget to send his citizens to the other world! the stingy tear came to my eyes the venerable barons!
  • Snoop
    Snoop 18 June 2013 19: 37
    0
    ))) remembered from the book of American journalists about the FBI, a universal method for all charges - a plausible denial))))
  • Dymkovsky
    Dymkovsky 19 June 2013 22: 06
    +1
    And I'm sorry guys, I drank bitter with specialists from swat, they were dumbfounded by our preparation, we were their salary. By the way, the technique is not very different, it was amusing to listen to their op fbiay, fbiay, after our "lie with .. ka". We agreed never to meet on the battlefield, it was 2000.