How would we live if there was no war?

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The plans for the economic development of the Soviet Union for the 40s shook their scope. Unfortunately, these plans were canceled out by the invasion of the western armies of the Hitler coalition. The Great Patriotic War inflicted a wound on the Soviet economy that it was able to heal only a few decades later. But what if it was not? How would our grandparents live if they didn’t know the horrors and devastation of war? How could their grandchildren live?

Cinema and bullshit

The theme of the Soviet past has become incredibly popular with the creators of the pseudo-historical television series. And writers and producers have a particular affection for the colorful times of the "personality cult". Almost every month we are pleased with the new history: a harsh citizen chief of the MUR catches a lesson learned, supermen-counterintelligence suppress another dirty trick of fascist saboteurs, and "innocently repressed" escapes from arrest in order to get to the front and protect the country they repressed.

They shoot on the conscience, especially diligently trying to depict the life of that time. The actors sit on a stool in a flaky kitchen, make terrible grimaces and famously overthrow the “stopariki”, the same “loft” rides along the lane (the only one for the entire film studio), and the place itself for shooting is specially found in the depressed blocks of the old building forgotten by God, not seen repair since the time of their construction. It would seem a complete resemblance to the original. But wait! The discrepancy is obtained!

If all Soviet citizens either banged or stolen, as shown in cinema, then who in 30's spent enormous industrialization, and after the war, raised the country from the ruins? Who built three hundred large industrial enterprises a year, who built new residential quarters, increasing the urban population and the size of the cities themselves at times? And where are these new houses, new hospitals and schools, where are giant factories with smoking pipes?

They are not on the screen. There is only a crap "communal" in disrepair and its residents, who generally do not work anywhere. They only drink, steal, and write denunciations of each other. This is exactly how the Stalinist USSR is shown to us — gloomy, impoverished, in constant ruin and an atmosphere of complete hopelessness. But everything was completely different!

Ruin in their heads

The Soviet Union 20-s very reminiscent of the current Ukraine. The only difference is that then there were no oligarchs who seized all profitable enterprises for squeezing out super-profits from the people. There were very few enterprises themselves - just like now! But if the Ukrainians 2 / 3 profiled their factories, scrapping them, then they have not yet been built. And what remained of the tsarist regime, took care. It would never occur to anyone to close, for example, the Putilov (the future Kirov) factory and rebuild its workshops into a Komsomol leisure club. For such ideas could and put to the wall - as a pest.

Otherwise, everything was as it is now. Fractions of power and opposition fought bitterly with each other. In Kharkov (the capital of our republic), the Ukrainizers enthusiastically engaged in a "national revival." In the field of public policy, a complete mess was going on: almost every year, slogans, holidays, and heroes changed. The holidays themselves in the year, in the end, it became much more 18! Red was not only the revolutionary dates, but Christmas (it was celebrated for two days) and Easter (three days), Ascension, Trinity, Assumption and Transfiguration. But it practically did not affect the work of the Soviet economy, since there was simply no work in the country.

In the 150 million country, there were only 11 millions of workers and employees. At the same time, official unemployment was about 10% (1,2 million registered), and the figure was unofficially an order of magnitude greater. Half of the urban population sharpened knives, scissors, cleaned shoes, and sold cigarettes and candy from trays. The remaining 120 million people, unable to go to work abroad, survived in the village. In the best case, on its natural economy, in the worst - soiled for wealthy neighbors.

The atmosphere of despondency and hopelessness reigned in the country — all that remained was to steal and plump. However, this was the pre-Stalinist USSR, and this did not last long. Already in 1927, the Trotskyist opposition was crushed, and after a couple of years and expelled - and endless political discussions in power stopped. But the Soviet government did not relax in an atmosphere of serene "stability." It adopted a grand plan for the development of the Soviet economy. And instead of spending budget funds for the construction of residences with gold toilets, it invested them, all to the penny, in the industrialization of the country.

In modern Ukraine, we note, everything is being done the other way around: the country has been practically deindustrialized so that a bunch of oligarchs can make billions of themselves.

From shovel to excavator

The Stalinist plan was simple: instead of continuing to sit on the ass and moan about the devastation, everyone had to get up and start working, as in the film “Chairman”. Not on someone, but on themselves. Is it hard to plow a plow? Build a tractor factory! Close to live in three families in the basement of an old house? Let's build a brick factory, and then new residential buildings!

The outcome of the Soviet industrial revolution was impressive. Already in 1932, unemployment not only disappeared, but also had to additionally attract nearly two million workers. By 1940, the number of workers and employees has increased to 31,2 million, the country's urban population has tripled! But there were still not enough labor hands - then prisoners were brought to work, who were sweeping the tundra with brooms. It is in modern serials that Stalinist convicts lie on the banks and lazily felled cedars with dull saws, in reality they built new cities and factories in Siberia in a year or two. Worked not under sticks, but for parole, reinforced soldering, cash bonuses. Some remained on construction sites and after the period, civilian.

But it was still a lot of work, so I soon had to increase the working day from 7 to 8 hours, and make the working week seven days (6 working days + Sunday). Today, of course, this is interpreted as the unbearable yoke of Stalin’s tyranny, which conquered the poor, unhappy people.

During two five-year plans in the country, more than 5 000 large objects were built, among them about three hundred such giants as Dneproges, Uralmash, Azovstal, Zaporozhstal and Krivorozhstal, HTZ and STZ, Turksib, Moscow Metro. Indicators of industrial production growth (not in fictitious GDP, but in real tons and units) doubled every four years.

For ten years, a complete base of its own production has been created: from smelting metal to manufacturing machines and machines. In 1939, the USSR became the fourth country in the world, capable of independently producing any product of any complexity. And if the first plants began to be built with shovels and wheelbarrows, then after a few years, Soviet bulldozers and excavators were already roaring at construction sites.

The West looked at fantastic achievements with hatred and admiration. Already in 1932, the British banker Jarvi Gibson wrote: “Soviet Russia is moving forward, while many of our factories are idle and about 3 of a million of our people are looking for work in despair ... In all industrial cities that I visited, new areas are being built a plan, with wide streets, decorated with trees and squares, with modern-type houses, schools, hospitals, working clubs, and inevitable creches. "

By the year 1940, the USSR had changed beyond recognition. Cyclopean factories smoked with pipes, neighborhoods of new “Stalinok”, parks and squares, cozy houses of workers' settlements grew in the cities, hundreds of thousands of tractors and combines worked on the fields. Pioneer camps, rest homes and sanatoriums appeared, created a public network of developed and free medicine from scratch, the number of schools, technical schools, universities increased by an order of magnitude. It was already practically another country, in which only genetic scum of evolution could thump and loaf. As all normal people have a quite achievable goal in life: to make their lives better, both in material and in other respects.

However, in June, 1941 of the year, war broke out on the way ...

I saved money - I bought a car!

One of the main reproaches to Soviet socialism was the so-called. lack of private cars. Although in reality the situation was somewhat different: everyone wanted to have a car, even if they did not need it, but not everyone had the opportunity to buy it, even if they were free to be sold in the store. By the way, before the war, the first cars were put up for sale at the first Soviet motor show. There were no queues for them.

Nevertheless, the Stalinist government understood that public transport in such a huge country was not enough. And already in 30-ies laid the foundation for the future automobilization of the USSR. For example, the reconstruction of old city streets and the construction of new ones took into account the future of heavy traffic, although its mass production was only planned. That is why Stalin's avenues were so wide and so deserted. But the first Soviet "people's car" was not at all Khrushchev "Zaporozhets". And not even the post-war "Moskvich-401".

They became "KIM-10", mass production of which began at the Moscow Automobile Plant in April 1941. The plan called for 50 thousand cars to be assembled by the end of the year and then producing about one hundred thousand a year in three versions (2-s and 4-door sedans and phaeton). It seems to be a bit, however, this is a plan for only one of the automobile plants. And there was GAZ, which was planning to start in 1941-42. the release of four models of passenger cars at once: two subcompacts and two middle-class cars with a total circulation of half a million units per year. Well, we will not consider the VMS, since its full-size "full-sized cars" were ordered by the state.

This, we note, was only the plan of the third five-year plan (1938-1942), which was thwarted by the war. Five-year plans, the focus of which was on the construction of a huge number of factories that produce finished products, including for the mass consumer. Already then, in the second half of the 40-s, it was planned to launch several more automobile plants, increasing the production of equipment several times. It is difficult to say, the USSR could overtake in this automobile America, but producing one and a half million cars a year is easy!

But since June 1941, civilian cars had to be forgotten, all car factories switched to a military regime. And the bombed-out GAZ was even forced to abandon the release of new models of trucks developed before the war (for example, the GAZ-51), and focus on the production of the "one and a half" GAZ-AA, the Soviet jeep GAZ-67, armored cars, light tanks... And then in the war-torn country for a long time there was no time for personal cars, and they returned to this topic only in the 50s - along with the issue of mass housing construction.

Life is better

The 3 five-year plan envisaged an increase in the rate of housing construction to 35 million square meters per year. Given that the Stalinist housing standards were much more comfortable than the next ones, this would be approximately 500-600 thousands of apartments. Of course, this would not solve the housing problem of rapidly growing cities, although growth was evident: for example, in the previous two five-year plans, on average, 15 had built millions of squares over the year.

Such low rates were explained for two reasons. Firstly, the emerging construction industry (brick, cement, concrete, and other plants) was primarily engaged in the industrialization of the country. The next priority was the social sphere: hospitals, schools, kindergartens, sanatoriums, rest homes, clubs. And only in third place was housing.

Secondly, they built then not just laying blocks and overlaps on top of each other, according to a typical drawing. The architectural style "Stalin Empire" is known to residents of all megacities of the country - these houses are still prestigious. The houses on the 3-6 floors (often with shops on the ground floor) were more modest, but still stood out for individuality, and most importantly, comfort: the ceilings in 3-4 meters, rooms in 15-20 and even 30 "squares", spacious hallways and walk-in closets , massive stone balconies, curly cornices and stucco. Even at home (2-3 floor) or single-story apartment houses for ordinary workers differed in very good-quality construction and spaciousness compared with the subsequent "Khrushchev".

As we see, under Stalin they were not ashamed to divide citizens into categories, avoiding leveling. Specialists received very high salaries (as well as a state-owned car and state-paid servants) and moved into elegant high-rises along with generals, artists, foremost workers, polar explorers and other celebrities. ITR workers, teachers, doctors, officials lived in houses of the second category, and the working family was completely content with a modest apartment near their own factory.

Of course, there were communal and barracks. But their inhabitants knew that these inconveniences were temporary, and were eagerly awaiting their own or neighborly settlement. After all, the vacant rooms of communal apartments were given to the family of a responsible tenant, and the barracks were rebuilt into residential buildings into several apartments. So it was before the war, and on this trend, people planned their future. Unfortunately, crossed out by the war - it is clear that in the bombed Union the communal apartments not only ceased to settle, but also the opposite - they began to condense back.

In the second half of the 40-s, the pace of housing construction should have taken off at times. The main industrialization and creation of a social infrastructure would have already been implemented, and the vacated capacities were planned to be thrown at the solution of the housing issue. Moreover, they would have decided it quickly, since it was under Stalin that the idea of ​​mass "industrial development" was born. Its essence was simple: for several years to build tens of thousands of residential buildings from standard blocks, panels and slabs - as designers.

However, these "stalinki" still differed spaciousness and elegance. If this idea came to life, we would have not labyrinths from gray boxes of cramped faceless "Khrushchev", but thoughtful quarters (with squares or clubs in the center) of quite decent housing. But at first the war broke out, then there was a period of restoring the destroyed, and when it came to building a new one, the power in his hands was already held by Khrushchev, the inventor, who thought the Stalinist’s designs were too luxurious for the proletariat and issued the notorious Resolution 1871 "On Eliminating Design Excesses and construction. " It ordered to build houses in a strict Spartan style, without any exterior decoration, with minimal living space, narrow staircases, with cardboard doors, a low ceiling hanging over the head and a combined bathroom.

The funny thing is that the prototype of their "Khrushchev" corn secretary general saw ... in France. During a visit to Paris, he was shown quarters of model houses for the poor and migrants from Africa. Seeing this poverty, Nikita Sergeevich enthusiastically set about trying to drive the Soviet people into the same ghetto. What Stalin would never have thought of ...

About tasty and healthy food

As is known, Khrushchev turned into an absurdity not only residential buildings (“Khrushchev’s houses”) and automobiles (Zaporozhets), but also the light industry of the Soviet Union, as well as nearly ruining the food industry. In effect, by laying a time bomb under Soviet socialism, it worked in the 80s.

The fact is that in times of severe Stalin, such a form of ownership as a cooperative (artel) developed a very large development. In fact, it was a kind of business, only the enterprise was the property of the team working in it, and not a private individual. The requirements were simple: to sell quality goods, to honestly report to the financial inspector and not to engage in "shadow schemes." Since it was not bad to earn by honest labor, and the punishment for cheating was harsh and inevitable, the artel workers preferred to work hard.

The sizes of the artels were different: from the metal workshop to a small factory. In 1940, thousands of cooperatives worked in 114 thousands of 1,8 million people who produced 40% of all furniture, 70% dishes, 85% of shoes and clothes, 95% bedding (linen, pillows, blankets), 100% of all toys and souvenirs!

In addition, the artels made a significant contribution to supplying the country with food products: 40% confectionery production, 50% cheese and sausage production, more than 60% fish catch, 80% fruit juices and jams, 100% sold in wild berries, mushrooms, nuts. Shops selling cooperative products were in every town and village — people were dropping in there to buy something delicious to the table when there was extra money (the prices in such stores exceeded the state prices).

After the war, the artels helped many people with disabilities find jobs without letting them descend into despair and hard drinking. Other cripples with their work rose so that they became prominent wealthy people, not a burden, but the breadwinners of their families.

And in the year 1960, Nikita Khrushchev considered these artels a relic of the bourgeois system and ordered them to be eliminated. The artels reassigned to state-owned enterprises, putting their workers on a meager salary, which is why they simply stopped working. And people with disabilities were thrown out onto the street (except for the blind), and they, with harmonicas and mugs, flooded the train stations and markets of the Khrushchev Union. It is clear that in the "supply of workers and employees" there was a long protracted collapse, which for a long time they were trying to fix with various "food programs." So far, in 1988, Gorbachev did not think of re-enabling co-operative production and co-operative shops, which became the foundation of the modern consumer economy. But our “artels” quickly became state of emergency and are engaged not so much in production as in resale of imports.

But the idea of ​​Stalin was more ambitious. It was planned to promote in every possible way the development of industrial cooperation: to help it with premises and production equipment, the purchase of raw materials and sales of finished products. In fact, the co-operatives generally had to shift the care of fully meeting the demand for entire groups of consumer goods. Instead, for example, in order to build a garment factory, it was planned to build another weaving mill, and sell its products to co-operators who would have sculpted fashionable clothes for citizens from the state-owned calico and cloth. There is less concern for the state, artel workers - profit, citizens - joy. Everyone is happy!

Of particular importance was the expansion of cooperation in the countryside, as well as among livestock breeders and fishermen. Moscow was going to divide agriculture into two parts: large collective farms would surely provide the state with strategic products (grain, butter, meat), and numerous artels would produce for the citizens anything they wanted: from jam and marinades to smoked balyks and refined wines

In fact, the implementation of this plan would eliminate the shortage of consumer goods already in the 50-ies. In the Soviet Union, the long-awaited abundance would have arrived, and people would have only had to earn more to buy tasty food, elegant clothes, new furniture, appliances, and a car. In the future there would be no shortage, a crisis of socialism, a lack of confidence in the government, the collapse of the Union. We would live not in the country of crumbling "Khrushchev", amid the chaos of wild capitalism, but in the beautiful cities of the strongest and richest state on the planet. Alas, the damned war ...

However, the USSR had a chance to start all over again. To fall behind in their plans for years on 15, but, having restored the country after the war, continue to strive for what was planned. However, a man by the name of Khrushchev was worse than any war.
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  1. -72
    13 June 2013 15: 35
    I will answer briefly
    If Grandma had MPH, she would be Grandfather
    1. -51
      13 June 2013 15: 39
      Why write articles about an alternative story? The war with Hitler was inevitable and it is not known how the USSR would have fallen asleep if Hitler occupied England (I think it would have managed in 1-2 years), and then in 1943-44 it would have attacked the USSR, and then it would certainly be with Japan and 100% without land - Lisa would have gone. So we must live in the present, not forgetting about the past and thinking about the future, and not building alternative versions of the development of history hi
      1. Atlon
        +50
        13 June 2013 16: 17
        Quote: seasoned
        and it is not known how the USSR would have plagued if Hitler had occupied England

        No way. They would divide the spheres of influence.

        Quote: seasoned
        and then in 1943-44 he would attack the USSR and then certainly with Japan

        I wouldn’t attack. Hitler was set up against Russia by the Zionists and the British. There would be no one to set off.

        Quote: seasoned
        So you have to live for today, not forgetting about the past and thinking about the future

        It's right! However, the history of Russia would be completely different if not for so many envious people who constantly put sticks in the wheels.
        1. +13
          13 June 2013 16: 32
          Quote: Atlon
          I wouldn’t attack. Hitler was set up against Russia by the Zionists and the British.


          It is always interesting to learn something new from you. Hitler and the Slavs .....

          Hitler therefore hated us and attacked.

          Report No. 32
          1. Lunch 18.09. Invited: Reichsminister Dr. Lammers, Reichsminister Koch.

          . .. Slavs are a family of rabbits. If the master class does not push them, they can never rise above the level of the rabbit family.

          ... Any knowledge given to them, at best, will turn into their half-knowledge, which will make them unsatisfied and anarchist. It is for this reason that the idea of ​​creating a university in Kiev should be discarded. In the end, almost nothing remains of this city.

          Document of the Federal Archive in Koblenz // Kosik V.
          Ukraine and Germany in the Second World War., P. 553

          “After centuries of whining about protecting the poor and the humble, the time has come for us to decide to protect the strong against the lower. This will be one of the main tasks of German state activity at all times - to Prevent by all means at our disposal the further increase in the Slavic race. Natural instincts command all living beings not only to conquer their enemies, but also to destroy them. In previous days, the prerogative of the winner was to destroy entire tribes, entire nations. ”

          Adolf Gitler .
          1. Atlon
            +38
            13 June 2013 16: 50
            Quote: Vadivak
            It is always interesting to learn something new from you. Hitler and the Slavs .....

            From you, too ... Do you seriously think that the former corporal and failed architect and artist, suddenly waking up in the morning, was not completely overshadowed by these ideas? The Jews brought Hitler to power. Jewish industrialists worked for the German defense industry. The ideas of the superiority of one race over the rest are drawn from the Jewish religion, and the practical embodiment from the Jewish "science" of Eugenics.
            1. +3
              13 June 2013 16: 55
              Quote: Atlon
              Jews brought to power Hitler.


              And he thanked them for it. Now everything fell into place. And Babi Yar and Auschwitz.



              1. Atlon
                +37
                13 June 2013 17: 10
                Quote: Vadivak
                And he thanked them for it. Now everything fell into place. And Babi Yar and Auschwitz.

                Compare the figures of the dead Jews, with other nations. For example, with cygans who do not yell about the Holocaust, but are destroyed more actively by Jews. Or with the Slavs. Do you know that furnaces for the same Auschwitz were developed by Jewish engineers? And produced at the Topf plant. Here, take a look: http://www.funeralportal.ru/library/1079/21538.html
                As for the Babi Yar and other horrors, for example, the Morgans, Dupons, Rothschilds and Rockefellers, this is NU NOT affected!
                1. -15
                  13 June 2013 17: 17
                  Quote: Atlon
                  Compare the figures of the dead Jews, with other nations. For example, with cygans who do not yell about the Holocaust, but are destroyed more actively by Jews. Or with the Slavs. Do you know that furnaces for the same Auschwitz were developed by Jewish engineers? And produced at the Topf plant. Here, take a look: http://www.funeralportal.ru/library/1079/21538.html

                  Pavel, this is not a meeting of the Memory Society, and you are not a lecturer. The article is not about Jews, why are you crucifying here? hi
                  1. Atlon
                    +11
                    13 June 2013 17: 20
                    Quote: seasoned
                    why are you crucifying here?

                    Why do you argue with known facts?
                    1. +2
                      13 June 2013 17: 24
                      Quote: Atlon
                      Why do you argue with known facts?

                      I do not argue with the facts. I'm just sure that Hitler would never have calmed down until he destroyed the USSR. The antagonists were the USSR and the Reich and could not exist together. If someone is interested in reading about what would happen if, then for this there is a separate genre of fiction - an alternative story. Just think about it on the pages of the site I think is wrong hi
                    2. 0
                      13 June 2013 17: 34
                      Quote: Atlon
                      Why do you argue with known facts?

                      Pavel, how many times did Germany attack Russia-Russia? Really and the attack of the Teflonites was repaired by the Jews laughing
                      1. -19
                        13 June 2013 17: 44
                        The Teftons were mercenaries whom they hired to punish Nevsky for gopstops in Livonian lands
                      2. +6
                        13 June 2013 17: 50
                        Quote: leon-iv

                        The Teftons were mercenaries whom they hired to punish Nevsky for gopstops in Livonian lands

                        You do not tell the Balts, they have not yet calculated laughing
                      3. psdf
                        +6
                        14 June 2013 10: 05
                        The Baltic states were honestly bought from Sweden for 2 million gold. Who are the Balts, what miracles settled on our lands and rights shake?
                      4. +14
                        13 June 2013 18: 37
                        Quote: leon-iv
                        Teftons were mercenaries whom they hired to punish Nevsky

                        "ThoseФTonsky "order was founded in the Holy Land at the end of the 12th century, during the 3rd Crusade. At the beginning of the 13th century, the Teutons, at the invitation of the Hungarian king, are fighting the Pechenegs. Then, from 1225 (according to other sources, 1223) join the crusade in Prussia, directed against the Prussian pagans.
                        Then, in the year of the Batu invasion, they sang with the Danes from the Livonian Order.
                        After the Pope named Zhora, number 9, in the same year, 1237, declared a crusade to Russia, they, the Swedes with the Danes, "and the Teutons who joined them" pushed to Russia. Once again, not the first and not the last, supermen came to teach us to live correctly. The result is known. 1240 - Battle of the Neva, 1242 - Battle of the Ice. Two slaps in the face of one of the greatest sons of the Russian Land. Where is "gop-stop",sorry?
                      5. -7
                        13 June 2013 21: 49
                        Where is the "gop-stop", excuse me?

                        gop stop was before that. Moreover, Nevsky is an extremely ambiguous personality. Given the relationship with Khan Batu to whom he was either his own son or adoptive

                        And here are a number of questions that I would like to receive an answer to
                        Mention of the battle is absent in the Ipatiev Chronicle, as well as in Swedish sources.

                        In the Lavrentievsky chronicles, the mention of the battle is recorded in 1263 and is a borrowing of the Life. For 1240 g there is no mention of the battle.
                        Swedish sources claim that Birger did not leave Sweden in the year of the battle.
                        Swedish sources do not mention the death of any bishop in the year of the battle.
                        The description of the wound in the face is possibly borrowed from the Life of Dovmont of Novgorod.
                        There is no explanation for the contradictory behavior of the Swedes, who did not advance deep into the territory of the enemy and did not build a fortified camp.
                        There is no explanation for the strange behavior of Alexander, who did not notify about the attack of Yaroslav and did not collect the Novgorod militia.

                        It is not clear why after the battle the Swedes remained on the battlefield and were able to bury the dead.

                        There is no information about captured Swedes.


                        The information about the flooding of three Swedish ships seems unlikely.

                        It is not clear who killed the Swedes on the other side of the river.

                        The deceased Swedish commander bears the Russian name Spiridon.

                        A hypothesis is put forward about the joint attack of Alexander and the Karelians on the camp of Swedish merchants.
                        Also, my acquaintances from the history department went to the excavations of the estuary and the Lake of Chudskoye has been digged almost over the shoulder blade over the past 40 years, but they have not found anything.
                      6. Kostya pedestrian
                        +1
                        14 June 2013 14: 41
                        Just demagoguery of "Jews" paid for by the West. You analyze it yourself, the USA and NATO's "Caudla" shouted that they won a victory over the USSR in 1991, and where is it 1X Victory?

                        Arabs have taken away half of Europe!
                        USA shook from crises!
                        NATO is torn to pieces, so that at least how to squeeze out money for sponsors, because for them weapons are not free.
                        In Britain, all the snobs were driven to the islands, the Indians took away all the English brands and London


                        This is victory? And what does pro-propaganda write? Everything is OK, the wafferline is not yet under water, Europe is afloat!

                        Although now it is doubtful!
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                      8. majorlnb
                        +3
                        14 June 2013 00: 34
                        You obviously have problems with history ... Read about the Crusaders. Very instructive. They considered Orthodox heretics ... Further explanations are needed?
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                      10. Kostya pedestrian
                        0
                        14 June 2013 14: 25
                        You said wonderful, but even more remarkable, that the Head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Father Kirill, will say about this - I googled here just now who arranged the terrorist attack in the Minsk metro opposite the House of Soviet Officers, and came across a completely official club of the Teutonic Order in Smolensk.

                        It seems to me that if this is permissible in the cradle of Russian culture, then the Russian Orthodox Church should anathematize Finberg's film "Alexander Nevsky" as heretical, where it is personally shown how the Teutons burn old people alive and even young children.

                        PieS: I’m not interested in heraldry, and now I’m interested in the coat of arms of Vitebsk, the admirers there are also very successful at operating bastards with an English chivalrous bias, and this is not great, at least for people who honor the memory of Vladimir, the founder of Russia.
                    3. -23
                      13 June 2013 17: 59
                      Quote: Atlon
                      Quote: seasoned
                      why are you crucifying here?

                      Why do you argue with known facts?

                      Enough of the next Barkashov sculpt. He even had eggs to take an automatic machine, and here you are at the forum, you vomit your neo-Nazi ideas.
                      PS Although probably the State of Israel like you should pay extra. Nobody helps him like you and your accomplices.
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                      2. -28
                        13 June 2013 18: 37
                        Quote: Atlon
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Although probably like you

                        Do not poke me, God's chosen one.

                        You yourself are a God-bearer. And with Natsik like you, I’m only on you and preferably through a collimator.
                      3. Ratibor12
                        +15
                        13 June 2013 19: 37
                        Jews in terms of genocide are excellent students of the fascists. Why deny the obvious? request Modern Israel must be destroyed, like Carthage, as an evil pseudo-state-military base and the nest of Jewish Nazism. The Jewish-Anglo-Saxon half-breeds from the elites of different countries deserved their colimator. They cannot be corrected, just like Hitler.
                      4. +9
                        13 June 2013 19: 45
                        Quote: Ratibor12
                        Modern Israel must be destroyed, like Carthage, as an evil pseudo-state-military base and the nest of Jewish Nazism.

                        How politically incorrect! Do you not like Jews? Just for the very fact of their existence? Yes you, my friend, the fiend of hell! laughing

                        Z.Y. Now the local IDF will attack you (and me). belay
                      5. toldanger
                        +8
                        13 June 2013 20: 17
                        All this Tsahal as a soap bubble will burst soon. Pumped with steroids does not live long. Forever mattresses will not be able to feed.
                      6. _Forgiven_
                        +4
                        13 June 2013 23: 24
                        After such words, be afraid of the "Mossadites" pissing everywhere. More often look around, maybe a hired killer is following you behind you for such words))) smile
                      7. toldanger
                        +1
                        13 June 2013 20: 15
                        I think sooner or later we will wait for this.
                      8. YARY
                        +14
                        13 June 2013 21: 17
                        Boy, Antoshka, are you cheating on Russians? True, she’s an evil thing like pepper.
                        Paul said the right thing. Hitler was incited by bankers from the inhabitants of the Israeli Valley by birth. The currents are not the ones that shovel the boots, but those that the profits count.
                        And lope entih non-Russians chichaza on the Russian oil pipe sit ah? and on diamonds? and on luminium and so forth. ???
                        But at the expense of your formidable words about the colimator, do not confuse x with a finger, your idol was fought in the 80s, and if fate and "our commanders will let your uniforms be torn against Russian bayonets."
                        Voucher in the Gollan!
                      9. -8
                        13 June 2013 21: 37
                        Quote: Ardent

                        But at the expense of your formidable words about the colimator, do not confuse x with a finger, your idol was fought in the 80s, and if fate and "our commanders will let your uniforms be torn against Russian bayonets."
                        Voucher in the Gollan!

                        First of all, nonsense, about how the IDF someone "tore" in the 80s, please expand on it.
                        Secondly, always ready. Although I am already in the "second stage" reserve, but for 20 years of urgent and reserve service, I dare to hope I have mastered the MAG quite well.
                      10. YARY
                        +8
                        13 June 2013 22: 24
                        Arguing with the enemy is an ungrateful thing. Everything is learned in action.
                        Firstly, nonsense, about how the IDF someone "tore" in the 80s,

                        Our baby's air defense "OSA" DRALA your Air Force so that SySchyashka began to transfer her flyers to you, this time.
                        Well, about the fight under Anna, yours are silent like a mouse under a broom. And not just like that. Otherwise, the myth of "Merkavka" was blown away by dust.
                        And this is due to the fact that you have piled up with the whole gang and the USSR did not want to be pulled into a kettlebell with Afghanistan on its feet.
                        I’m telling you a little rosemia, and your squeak to the whole world about the current S-300s is again not an army, but only a weapon, it speaks for itself.
                        Your mistake in the miscalculation of forces. Well, do not be sad, and it was inaccessible to the mathmatics of Hitler. The result is known.
                        Do not forget that the "gosudarstvo" your birth is OBLIGATORY to the USSR, in other words, Russian! And what is called that the feeding hand bites?
                        There are Jews, and there are Residents of the Israeli Valley, you have shown yourself as the last.
                      11. -6
                        13 June 2013 23: 00
                        Clear. Just to blurt out, without knowledge, but with a huge aplomb. (Ignore)
                      12. vyatom
                        0
                        14 June 2013 12: 18
                        And the Israeli Dakar that sank with the entire crew?
                      13. Ratibor12
                        +5
                        13 June 2013 22: 51
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Firstly, nonsense, about how the IDF someone "tore" in the 80s, please reveal more broadly. Secondly, I am always ready. Although I am already in the "second stage" reserve, but for 20 years of urgent and reserve service, I dare to hope I have mastered the MAG quite well.


                        Do not underestimate the enemy. If the Eretz would have been weak, and his soldiers would have been quite stupid, the United States would not have helped them either. They would crush them back in the 60-70s. Yes, the Jews learned to fight. But what kind of Jews are they? Half-breeds solid. And there are many who absorbed the best of our mentality.
                        That's just the Nazis fought well. But this did not make their crimes less disgusting, and their ideology less monstrous.
                        There are no invincibles and the championship is not given once and for all. The disappearance of the Erez is a matter of time. For the time being, the jug carries water ...
                      14. YARY
                        +8
                        13 June 2013 23: 29
                        Eh, males and no matzo. Minus no minus anyway you get ....
                        In the 70s in their gang there were many "former" with the experience of the Great Patriotic War, but in the 80s, too much less manenko.Da can fight with the Arabs, with the aircraft carrier SyShyAshki and "New Jersey" in the roadstead and the marines on the shore!
                        Full support is bish.
                        But "Sam" will run out of gasoline, that is, money for the mess? Or are their agents in SyShyShka annoying us? Here are the tady and we will joke whose cherries ate the cherries. I think the Arabs and will help nadot.
                      15. toldanger
                        +5
                        13 June 2013 20: 15
                        I join +1. These guys, too, owed me a duty.
                      16. +2
                        13 June 2013 21: 34
                        It was the demoniac who helped you decide to live in your "homeland".
                      17. +1
                        14 June 2013 07: 08
                        The word sometimes beats more than the machine gun and you, the Ishail troll, know this very well if you hang around and yap at every Russian.
                      18. psdf
                        +2
                        14 June 2013 10: 07
                        I would never know who Barkashov was, if not for Spiegel with his advertisement.
                2. +6
                  13 June 2013 17: 17
                  Quote: Atlon
                  Compare the figures of the dead Jews, with other nations.

                  Plus, mostly the elderly and the crippled died. The young left. In Palestine. No, no, I'm not hinting at anything! Just a coincidence, do you agree?
                  1. -7
                    13 June 2013 19: 28
                    Quote: Rattenfanger
                    Plus, mostly the elderly and the crippled died. The young were leaving. In Palestine

                    He knew well that such a young man who had left in Poland in the 30s (with his brother from Poland) in Palestine (where there was nothing besides sand and malaria. How to build the country and how in one day (after the capture of Hitler by Poland) were left alone, out of 12 brothers and there were no sisters, fathers, mothers, dozens of uncles, aunts and relatives in general.
                    From small to large, they all destroyed.
                    Israil Gershlag, his name was (heaven be upon him), told enough. By the way
                    Natalie Portman (born Natalie Portman, nee Natalie Hershlag [1] [2], born Natalie Hershlag, Hebrew נטלי הרשלג; born June 9, 1981 [3]) is an American film and theater actress of Israeli descent.
                    American and Israeli actress Natalie Portman (née Herschlag - Natali Portman) was born in Jerusalem on June 9, 1981. As a stage name, Portman Natalie took the maiden name of her Russian-Jewish maternal grandmother. The girl’s father is a specialist in reproductive endocrinology and infertility treatment. Prior to repatriation to Israel, he worked in the Chisinau hospital. Mom Natalie was a housewife and singer in the Chisinau Opera and Ballet Theater, and now is the agent of her daughter.

                    On the maternal side, the ancestors of the actress are Jews from Austria and Russia, and on the paternal side, Jews from Poland and Romania.

                    The granddaughter of his sibling, the only survivors of the entire vast family.
                    Quote: Rattenfanger
                    Just a coincidence

                    Far from coincidence Your company led by Athlone negative .
                    1. +4
                      13 June 2013 19: 34
                      That's right. The state in such conditions can only be built by the young and the strong, but not by the old. It is this goal that was pursued by those who "bash" - to make a mass of capable people scattered throughout Europe blow up from their homes.
                    2. +12
                      13 June 2013 20: 26
                      Quote: atalef
                      were left alone, out of 12 brothers and sisters, father. mothers. dozens of uncles. aunt and relatives in general, no one left. From small to large, everyone was destroyed.

                      Give you examples about Belarusian and Ukrainian families in which from 40 people (brothers and sisters with families) survived 5-6 ?!
                      Or are you already covering your mouthpiece of Xenophobia and Calacosta?
                      1. _Forgiven_
                        +4
                        13 June 2013 23: 39
                        +1 !!! It was said a lot and quite in topic. good The God-chosen ones have already lifted this Holocaust to heaven that you cannot already be attached to any sleeve ...
                      2. +5
                        14 June 2013 09: 10
                        Quote: Papakiko
                        Give you examples about Belarusian and Ukrainian families in which from 40 people (brothers and sisters with families) survived 5-6 ?!
                        Or are you already covering your mouthpiece of Xenophobia and Calacosta?

                        Unlike you, I never downplayed the loss of either of those. And the presence of Slavs, Gypsies, and any other peoples who died (destroyed) by the Nazis does not reduce or increase the tragedy of the Jews.
                        You are trying to hush up the extermination of Jews by the fact that Belarusians. Russian-also destroyed (although your friend Athlone seems to be Hitler ready to write to friends)
                        I say that fascism is monstrous and every nation has its own tragedy and a Jew who is destroyed as a child is no more valuable than a Belarusian child. Ukrainian or gypsy.
                        Fascism is terrible, Hitler is a monster and executioner. And there is nothing for him to justify and catch him as friends and allies. Remember your innocently destroyed, we remember ours. only the common base of these victims — Hitler and Nazism — cannot be forgotten.
                      3. +1
                        14 June 2013 14: 12
                        atalef wrote everything correctly. and I think most of the people on the site will agree with you. But the question is WHO !!! did Hitler help him turn around like that? What do you think? hi
                    3. 0
                      14 June 2013 07: 15
                      I knew well that such a young man who had left in the 30 years (
                      Quote: atalef
                      I knew well that such a young man who had left in the 30 years (


                      Etozh how old are you, Judah tribe? Why did you know them so well?
                      And what did you try to say with your post?
                3. +7
                  13 June 2013 17: 20
                  Quote: Atlon
                  Compare the figures of the dead Jews, with other nations


                  I’m writing about Slavs, my wife’s only her grandmother ran away from the SS men to the woods and you’re getting Hitler to us as our allies, aren’t you ashamed?





                  1. Atlon
                    +10
                    13 June 2013 17: 27
                    Quote: Vadivak
                    Are you here to get Hitler to us as allies, aren't you ashamed?

                    No need to juggle! Hitler could have been an ally, but he was sent ... As for Germany and Russia in general, historically we ALWAYS weighed on each other, but Britain always did not like this. For the union of Germany and Russia, in a completely different way would lead the development of the world and history. Without Britain ... The Germans enjoyed working in Russia, the Russian tsars married German princesses, the great Catherine was German! If not for the machinations of Britain ...
                    1. +3
                      13 June 2013 17: 28
                      Quote: Atlon
                      No need to juggle! Hitler could be an ally, but he was sent.


                      Everything is clear to me, tell it to veterans and better at the Eternal Flame






                      1. Atlon
                        +1
                        13 June 2013 17: 36
                        Quote: Vadivak
                        Everything is clear to me, tell it to veterans and better at the Eternal Flame

                        Are you a provocateur?
                      2. -2
                        13 June 2013 17: 47
                        Quote: Atlon
                        Are you a provocateur?

                        Oh ma why did you give birth to me belay I advise you to re-read Griboyedov's story "Woe from Wit" winked
                      3. Atlon
                        +6
                        13 June 2013 17: 56
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I advise you to re-read Griboyedov's story "Woe from Wit"

                        However ... "Woe from Wit" turns out to be a story ?! belay Hmm ... What else have you read? "Narrative" "War and Peace" have not tried? laughing
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                      5. -12
                        13 June 2013 18: 19
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Quote: Athlone
                        However ... "Woe from Wit" turns out to be a story?
                        However, immediately you do not master all four parts and therefore start small. So, for a brief look

                        Atlon's handbook. By the way, coloring (since he has some problems with reading)
                      6. +4
                        13 June 2013 19: 45
                        Quote: Atlon
                        Are you a provocateur?


                        You wrote down Hitler, who destroyed millions of Russians, asks me allies?
                      7. ded10041948
                        0
                        14 June 2013 07: 01
                        Excuse me, Pavel, but from your statements it smells very strongly of anti-Semitism. If they came from the ideologists of the OUN-UPA, I would not be surprised, but to associate a bunch of bankers (albeit enjoying enormous economic influence) with a whole nation that has centuries-old culture and traditions ... Does it not seem to you that you behave somewhat biased?
                    2. +7
                      13 June 2013 17: 35
                      Quote: Atlon
                      Hitler could be an ally, but he was sent ...

                      The Wehrmacht had allies Hungarians, Bulgarians, ROA, Galicia and how did they relate to them? Like cattle and cannon fodder. Recently there was an article - Galician's memories of how they slept in the crib. So not all allies are good and the alliance does not last forever, but tends to end. Well, the appetite comes with eating
                      1. +1
                        13 June 2013 17: 37
                        Quote: seasoned
                        The Wehrmacht had allies Hungarians, Bulgarians, ROA, Galicia and how did they relate to them? Like cattle and cannon fodder. Recently there was an article - Galician's memories of how they slept in the barn.

                        afflicted, as much as a tear knocks. Especially when you consider that they were all volunteers.
                    3. +2
                      13 June 2013 17: 43
                      Quote: Atlon
                      Hitler could be an ally

                      Reread Dostoevsky's story "I.D.I.O.T" wink
                      Quote: Atlon
                      As for Germany and Russia in general, historically we ALWAYS gravitated towards each other

                      How many times has Germany attacked Russia? I advise you to re-read the story "" twice fool
                      Quote: Atlon
                      If not for the machinations of Britain ...

                      Wait a minute, Pavel, aren't the Jews to blame for everything? laughing You already decide who is to blame laughing
                      1. +1
                        13 June 2013 17: 47
                        Quote: Athlone
                        To begin with, Hitler himself was a quarter-Jew. Grandfather is a Jew. Or perhaps even a half-Jew, the son of a neighbor - a Jew.
                        Hitler's childhood friends were Jews, for example, his best friend Hanish.
                        Jews financed Hitler and helped him come to power. And even all his associates in the Nazi party were mixed with Jewish blood: Himmler, Hess, Heydrich, Eichmann, Canaris, ... and Goebbels also, the teachers and fiancé were Jews.

                        Get fucked up, now I realized that Israel attacked the USSR, damn whom my grandfather fought with. wassat
                      2. Ratibor12
                        +7
                        13 June 2013 19: 42
                        Quote: atalef
                        Get fucked up, now I realized that Israel attacked the USSR, damn whom my grandfather fought with.


                        Israel? Let there be Israel. We don't care what kind of aggressor we press. ... Rotten "Jewish" evil spirits will drive a bullet in the forehead. We will put together a strong coffin for the offspring of humanity ...
                      3. toldanger
                        +3
                        13 June 2013 20: 19
                        It is comrade!
                      4. Atlon
                        +6
                        13 June 2013 17: 57
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Reread Dostoevsky's story "I.D.I.O.T"

                        Again a story? laughing Oh well...
                      5. -6
                        13 June 2013 18: 02
                        Quote: Atlon
                        Again a story?

                        Well, I think with this approach to the work you will not pull more, the Jews will not let me finish laughing
                      6. +3
                        14 June 2013 07: 36
                        Dear Atlon.
                        I would only be "for" if I could share the spheres of influence with the Germans and even for an alliance with Hitler against the world Jewish capital.
                        BUT ... unfortunately, this was not real. The Jewish elite of the Naglo-Saxon countries carefully chose just such an inhuman as Hitler for the role of leader of Germany. And precisely because he was infected with the poison of anti-communism and racial theories. Remember where they first talked about the purity of the race? In England. So how could Hitler destroy his teachers and colleagues in the struggle against communism and in building a pure Aryan race?
                        Hitler never wanted to defeat England. He only wanted the neutrality of England. But England did not need a strong Hitler. He was raised like a pig in a slaughterhouse. So that he would destroy the USSR, and then destroy it. But even realizing this, Hitler did not begin to land in England and released the British at Dunkirk. Because he tried all the way to negotiate with them.
                        Therefore, he would never go for a real alliance with the USSR and for an honest (no trick) division of spheres of influence would not go.
                    4. Ratibor12
                      +4
                      13 June 2013 19: 27
                      Quote: Atlon
                      Hitler could be an ally

                      We don't need such an ally. What does a communist have in common with a fascist? These are religions of antipodes. Good and Evil in their extreme manifestations. Such a "union" would blacken the entire Communist Idea. "So a clear stream becomes muddy. When it merges with a muddy stream." (E.L. Masters)
                    5. +1
                      13 June 2013 21: 58
                      Quote: Atlon
                      Hitler could be an ally, but he was sent ...

                      Exactly, Hitler was sent, so he could not be our ally.
                    6. 0
                      13 June 2013 22: 36
                      Quote: Atlon
                      Hitler could be an ally, but he was sent ..


                      I see in your comments, you’ve gone a long way, there is only a little bit left to the red line. Don’t forget where you live and what Internet resource you are on. Sometimes it’s at your leisure to think about it. If your memory is abused, I’ll tell you I will remind you immediately.
                      1. aleshka1987
                        +6
                        13 June 2013 23: 08
                        Dear moderator, well, here you clearly exceed the authority! Hitler was clearly helped to figure out who his enemy was ... persistently helped, and they also threw the fiscals.
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                      3. +2
                        13 June 2013 23: 37
                        Quote: aleshka1987
                        Well, here you clearly exceed the authority! Hitler was clearly helped to figure out who his enemy was ... persistently helped, and they also threw the fiscals.



                        Dear visitor, I, like you, also write my comments on this or that thread. Or do you think that I am only moderating ?! Do not forget that we recently celebrated 9 May, Victory Day. By the way, this should be remembered not only on a memorable day. and every day. And yet, I perfectly caught the subtext of what was written in the commentary of the person you are defending. We will not delve into the jungle. We understand each other perfectly.
                      4. aleshka1987
                        +10
                        13 June 2013 23: 57
                        Yes, Hitler is shit, no one bleaches him! Simply, as they say, there are nuances everywhere. He was raised with a clear goal - to devour the USSR, he kicked up a bit at 39. They gently besieged him, and unobtrusively showed "You go there!" and we will accept you as equals (which was initially not true). Hitler was not a jerk, as we are sometimes painted, he was a very intelligent and determined opponent. This fact only increases the authority of our Red Army and leadership. We defeated a powerful enemy, not only smart, but also with the support of the global financial mafia, industry throughout Europe, armies of vassals and raw materials from different places! This is a super feat!
                      5. sincman
                        +4
                        14 June 2013 11: 09
                        Quote: aleshka1987
                        He was raised with a clear goal - to devour the USSR, he kicked up a bit at 39. He was gently besieged, and unobtrusively showed "You go there!" and we will accept you as equals (which was initially not true).

                        This topic is perfectly covered in the book by Nikolai Starikov, "Who made Hitler attack Stalin?"


                        Abstract

                        This book is about who pushed Hitler to commit a suicide attack on Stalin. About the true creators and inspirers of the most terrible catastrophe in the history of Russia - June 22, 1941. Those who gave Hitler and his party money and helped them come to power. The true purpose of bringing the Nazis to power is shown - an attack on the USSR, "correction" of the previous mistake of Western intelligence, which put the Bolsheviks at the head of Russia. Instead of disappearing along with the loot, Lenin and his team remained and recreated the power, refusing to “surrender” the country to the West. The book, based on a large amount of factual material, traces the entire logic of events, from September 1919 until June 22, 1941. As a result, the reader understands who is the true arsonist of World War II, which means that he and the Nazis are responsible for their heinous crimes.


                        http://www.litmir.net/bd/?b=111843
                      6. +7
                        14 June 2013 07: 27
                        Excuse me, why are Jews allowed ALL on this resource? And insult the Russian forum participants and slop down our country, its army, weapons, etc. And if they are answered the same, then in five minutes 4 warnings and ban. Is this a Russian or Jewish resource? Judging by the flags of most of the participants, it’s Russian, and judging by the moderation policy, it’s rather Jewish.
                        And what is the "red line"? It was about dividing spheres of influence. Why couldn't we share spheres of influence with Hitler? If he had not attacked the USSR? What do we care about "developed" Europeans and, moreover, European Jews? Well, we would cry over their ashes scattered over Auschwitz. And they would live on. Just like the American Jews did. They didn't even cry about the 30 million ruined Slavic souls.
                    7. 0
                      21 September 2017 12: 38
                      God save us from such "allies"! Hitler and Germany are not the same thing. Hitler is a puppet of the world financial oligarchy, he and all his cockroaches were specially selected, fed, armed and released to push Europe and Eurasia together. What he successfully did, killing himself in the end. So it was conceived. Well, besides preserving the USSR.
                      And with a sane independent (or dependent, like the GDR) Germany can be dealt with. It is only necessary to help them gain independence and ensure that no one decides to repeat the fascist story ...
                4. -14
                  13 June 2013 18: 17
                  on the Internet to check what you write is not fate? The Morgans, Rockefellers and Dupons are not Jews, but Anglo-Saxons.
                  1. DeerIvanovich
                    +10
                    13 June 2013 18: 41
                    and how long have they signed up for Anglo-Saxons? laughing
                    1. -3
                      13 June 2013 19: 10
                      Quote: DeerIvanovich
                      and how long have they signed up for Anglo-Saxons? laughing

                      Do you also use the Internet is not fate?
                      1. DeerIvanovich
                        +4
                        13 June 2013 20: 31
                        they write a lot on the Internet. you brought an argument, but you don’t want to prove it No.
                      2. -3
                        13 June 2013 21: 05
                        Dupons - financial and industrial group (family) of the United States, established at the end of the XIX century.
                        The ancestor of the family was the student of Antoine Laurent Lavoisier Eleater Irené Dupont de Nemours, who sailed in 1800 from France to the USA. The lessons of the famous chemist were not in vain for the young aristocrat. In the USA, he raised 36 thousand dollars and with the help of partners in the 1802 year founded the company for the production of gunpowder in Delaware. Initially, the company was called EI Dupont de Nemours, but in the XX century it was renamed Dupont.
                        Dupont's case was continued by his children. In 1900, his heirs, great-grandchildren Thomas Coleman, Pierre Samuel and Alfred Irene Dupont completely rebuilt the company and in 1902 created a concern to develop the latest materials.
                        Currently, the industrial core of the group is the DuPont de Nemours concern. The company has huge profits, for example, in the production of nylon products alone, it earns $ 4,5 billion annually. Dupons control a number of large industrial corporations (General Motors, United States Rubber, Uniroyal, Rockwell International, etc.) and financial institutions.
                        about the rest you find?
                      3. +4
                        14 June 2013 07: 41
                        Yeah, and Trotsky was Bronstein. Few Jews took the names of others of the local population?
                      4. +2
                        14 June 2013 14: 35
                        and tell us about Baruchov? hi
                  2. toldanger
                    -2
                    13 June 2013 20: 19
                    Come on only without trolling.
              2. +10
                13 June 2013 17: 20
                This was not gratitude, but a ritual sacrifice. With her help and with a loud guevalte about the "poor Jewish people" the state of Israel was created. Then these "poor" slaughtered entire Palestinian villages, and millions of them were expelled from their places of residence. The Yidov elites wanted to spit on a million ordinary Jews, and even more so on other nations. Soon they will need to restore the Temple of Solomon, how many people in this case will be demolished is not known, but certainly not a few.
                1. -1
                  13 June 2013 17: 39
                  Quote: Orik
                  Soon they will need to restore the temple of Solomon, how many people in this case will not be demolished, but certainly not a few.

                  Well, no more than he lives in Israel, or will they go to the slaughter from all over the world? belay laughing
              3. +3
                13 June 2013 17: 49
                Quote: Vadivak

                And he thanked them for it. Now everything fell into place. And Babi Yar and Auschwitz.

                I apologize for the rude comparison, but here, in a joke - "the eggs were cut off to the wrong Jew." The wrong Jews brought Hitler to power
              4. +1
                14 June 2013 15: 55
                Well, if you believe the statistics of the Holocaust, then 6-7 million Jews died in it (including the extermination of Jews in the USSR). Let's move on to the Slavs: almost 27 million people died in the USSR, of which there were combat losses at the fronts - 8-9 million. The remaining 18-19 million are civilians and prisoners of war, killed by the "humane European nation" and believe me, the percentage of Jews in these millions does not exceed 3-4% !!! And the rest - Russian Ukrainians, Belarusians! So it is NECESSARY TO SPEAK NOT ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST, BUT ABOUT THE HECATOMBE OF THE SLAVS !!! And if we add Poles and Serbs (also Slavs and millions of dead) here, then the figures of the Holocaust look small!
            2. +6
              13 June 2013 17: 01
              Quote: Atlon
              Do you seriously think that a former corporal and a failed architect and artist, suddenly waking up in the morning, was not completely overshadowed by these ideas? The Jews brought Hitler to power. Jewish industrialists worked for the German defense industry. The ideas of the superiority of one race over the rest are drawn from the Jewish religion, and the practical embodiment from the Jewish "science" of Eugenics.

              Yes, continuous conspiracy theories and denunciations of Zionism. The whole of Europe worked for the defense industry of Germany, and it remains on your conscience where and where, but the idea of ​​the superiority of individual tribes over others goes almost from the Stone Age lol As if I do not belong to the Jews, but blaming them for all the troubles has long been "anecdotal".
              Hitler would not stop in his expansion - fertile lands and coal (USSR - (minus) Ukraine), oil (USSR - Caucasus), wood, ore (USSR - along the Urals), then gold and diamonds (- Yakutia) and all. hi
              1. Atlon
                +2
                13 June 2013 17: 22
                Quote: seasoned
                As if I do not belong to the Jews, but blaming them for all the troubles has long been "anecdotal".

                Think it's casual? Here take an interest: http://cagal.clan.su/index/0-71
                1. +3
                  13 June 2013 17: 35
                  Quote: Atlon
                  Think it's casual?

                  Of course not, the Jews are to blame for everything! wink
                  1. -5
                    13 June 2013 17: 40
                    Quote: Atlon
                    You think it's casual

                    Athlone is pleased to feel like an inferior race. Otherwise, why would he repeat this all the time
                    ?
                    1. -3
                      13 June 2013 18: 03
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Reread Dostoevsky's story "I.D.I.O.T.

                      Quote: Athlone

                      Again a story? Oh well..

                      Again sister ask to read crying
                    2. Ratibor12
                      +10
                      13 June 2013 20: 01
                      Quote: atalef
                      Athlone is pleased to feel like an inferior race. Otherwise, why would he repeat this all the time?

                      Yes Yes! Oh, these are your Jewish complexes! Why not see!
                      Well, for example:
                      Quote: MironK
                      "... our state was here 300000 years ago, when your distant ancestors ran through the swamps with bare asses and ate each other raw ..."
                      The boy was so stingy at Claudia that he forgot to count the zeros! Although ... Maybe you really are from the breed of gracile Australopithecus?

                      And one more thing!
                      "... I am a Jew, my mother told me from childhood that all the goyim are anti-Semites. At first I did not believe, but then I realized that in fact it is true. Even if a goy does not consider himself an anti-Semitic, all the same, sooner or later his anti-Semitism Even if he is not an anti-Semite himself, his children and grandchildren will be anti-Semites. Anti-Semites will be as long as at least one goy lives. For a Jew, living among the goy is like living among bloodthirsty zombies, pretending that you are a zombie yourself, the same as they ... "

                      It turns out the zombie apocalypse has already happened !!! All the zombies! And the Jews ... And the Jews are survivors !!! fellow
                      1. tixon444
                        +7
                        13 June 2013 20: 39
                        Quote: Ratibor12
                        Anti-Semites will be as long as at least one goy is alive.


                        Anti-Semites will be as long as at least one Jew is alive.
                        For the God-chosen themselves produce anti-Semites. Without them, they do not feel God-chosen.

                        “Rabinovich, that means you want to borrow five thousand dollars from me.” And where is the guarantee that you will return them to me?
                        “I give you the word of an honest man!” hi
                        “Well, I'm waiting for you tonight with this man.” Yes
                    3. +3
                      14 June 2013 07: 47
                      Although I’m not Atlon, I think I can answer you.
                      The question is not in the lower race. The lower ones are precisely those who consider the lower ones to be others.
                      The fact is that the Jews too exalted themselves over others.
                      Remember the statements of your kagal about the fact that Israel has the right to bomb Syria, and everyone else "let them try."
            3. +2
              13 June 2013 18: 35
              Quote: Atlon

              The Jews brought Hitler to power. Jewish industrialists worked for the German defense industry. The ideas of the superiority of one race over the rest are drawn from the Jewish religion, and the practical embodiment from the Jewish "science" of Eugenics.

              It was not the Jews who brought Hitler to power, but the British, the Americans and the French, the Jewish bankers only gave money.
              There were no Jewish industrialists in nature. The owners of the factories Krupp, Thyssen, Opel, Messerschmitt, Focke-Wulf, Daimler-Benz, Henschel, Demag, etc. were Germans.
              1. _Forgiven_
                +3
                13 June 2013 23: 59
                I agree with you more! Amer and the British choked with hatred for the Union when the country began to rise rapidly. It hurt their pride! How is it ... In the USSR, people began to live better than in the Foggy Albion or in New York? you have to do something about it! And let's create Hitler, and then we will liquidate him. But their fish turned out to be too tough for them.
                Only the patriotism of our soldiers and the struggle for the idea helped to win this in the war, and not the loot of the mines of Tsar Solomon.
                1. +2
                  14 June 2013 06: 45
                  There is no need to underestimate the role played in the creation of Bolshevism and genuine participation in the Russian revolution, of international Jewish atheists. Moreover, the main inspiration and driving force comes from the Jewish leaders. In Soviet institutions, the predominance of Jews is more than surprising, and the main part in the implementation of the terror system established by the emergency Commission against Counter-Revolution was carried out by Jews and, in some cases, Jews. The same diabolical fame was achieved by the Jews during the terror period when Bela Kun ruled Hungary.
                  W. Churchill 1919
                  1. 0
                    14 June 2013 18: 07
                    Quote: Oberst_71
                    There is no need to underestimate the role played in the creation of Bolshevism and genuine participation in the Russian revolution, of international Jewish atheists. Moreover, the main inspiration and driving force comes from the Jewish leaders. In Soviet institutions, the predominance of Jews is more than surprising, and the main part in the implementation of the terror system established by the emergency Commission against Counter-Revolution was carried out by Jews and, in some cases, Jews. The same diabolical fame was achieved by the Jews during the terror period when Bela Kun ruled Hungary.
                    W. Churchill 1919

                    You followed the Jewish propagandists of the times of perestroika.
                    In fact, the Jews of the beginning and the middle of the 20 century did not have any political and economic influence in the world, they had no territory, no army, no special services, no media, or press.
                    Jews were the most oppressed and illiterate people in Europe, so their activity was high in all European revolutions.
                    But in the first Soviet People’s Commissar of the RSFSR of 16 members there was only 1 Jew Trotsky, in the political bureau of the CPSU (b) there was only 1 Jew Kaganovich, the first head of the GULAG was Eichmans Theodor Ivanovich, a Latvian shooter, the subsequent heads were not Jews, but Latvians.
                    IN AND. Ulyanov (Lenin), no matter how russophobes spoken, was Russian both by blood and spirit, until 16 years he was an active member of the Orthodox society of Sergius of Radonezh in Simbirsk.
            4. MG42
              +5
              13 June 2013 19: 59
              Quote: Atlon
              Do you seriously think that the former corporal and the failed architect and artist, who suddenly woke up in the morning, was not completely overlooked by these ideas

              Hitler would have painted better than obsessed with politics ..
              here are 130 of his drawings by reference
              http://postdefender.ru/kartiny-adolfa-gitlera-130-foto/
              1. +3
                14 June 2013 01: 31
                Quote: MG42
                Hitler would have painted better than obsessed with politics ..

                Is it interesting to keep history the name of the GOAT that did not accept Hitler to an art school and thus turned history? I painted, in my pleasure, the failed Fuhrer of butterflies and still lifes and all business recourse ...
                1. MG42
                  +4
                  14 June 2013 01: 47
                  Quote: Corsair
                  I painted, to my pleasure, the failed Fuhrer of butterflies and still lifes and all business

                  Hitler = a pretty good artist - a landscape painter, there are much fewer still lifes, he didn’t work very well on people's faces ..
                  After the failure of the entrance exam in the hood. He met with the rector of the school and he advised him to take up architecture, seeing how he passionately painted buildings ..
                  1. 0
                    15 June 2013 10: 50
                    Quote: MG42
                    After the failure of the entrance exam in the hood. He met with the rector of the school and he advised him to take up architecture, seeing how he passionately painted buildings ..

                    I’d better take it ...
        2. S_mirnov
          +16
          13 June 2013 17: 09
          I am pleased to support your comment. From myself I want to add. In the war on the fronts, the most courageous, ideological communists perished in the first place, those who were the first to attack and lead the rest. It is hard to imagine how many future talented scientists, engineers, doctors, and military men died in battles.
          Of course - if it weren’t for the war, the history of the development of the USSR would be completely different and maybe the descendants of the brave people who were the first to attack would have managed to put a bullet in Gorbachev’s forehead. And the USSR would be alive.
          1. +11
            13 June 2013 18: 14
            Quote: S_mirnov
            if it weren’t for the war, the history of the development of the USSR would have been completely different and maybe the descendants of the brave people who were the first to attack would have managed to put a bullet in Gorbachev’s forehead. And the USSR would be alive.

            Yes, just "these" would not be allowed to power. Not even descendants, but the very ones that died!
            Smirnov! +++++++++
          2. Avenger711
            +5
            13 June 2013 19: 04
            They didn’t call scientists, but if they themselves went, they drove them out of the military enlistment offices. And the professors are not the same age. But how many young students who instead of laboratories fell into the trenches and did not accomplish what they could have done in 5-10, 20 years.
        3. -2
          13 June 2013 17: 30
          Quote: Atlon
          Hitler was set on Russia by Zionists and the British

          It means that Hitler was guilty of the Jews. ?????
          some are looking for causes, while others are looking for a consequence.
          Oops, the people my wind rose is the Jews to blame.
          Item No. 1. The Jews are to blame.
          Item No. 2. If the Jews are not to blame for something, see paragraph No. 1. wassat
          1. -3
            13 June 2013 17: 35
            Quote: Athlone
            Hitler was set on Russia by Zionists and the British


            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Item No. 1. The Jews are to blame.
            Item No. 2. If the Jews are not to blame for something, see paragraph No. 1.

            Hello ! Sasha.
            But Hitler was sent to Britain by the Zionists and ..... Who to insert. Atlon, in his anti-Semitic frenzy, has been blowing the roof for a long time.
            1. -2
              13 June 2013 18: 06
              Quote: atalef
              Atlon in his anti-Semitic frenzy

              Hi Sasha! And he has the surname Khmelnitsky, and my neighbor from the neighboring entrance has the surname Litvinsky, so my neighbor is Jewish. Here I sit and think, think so to speak laughing
              1. -2
                13 June 2013 18: 13
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And he has a surname Khmelnitsky

                Yes Sanya, here you will believe in the transmigration of souls. Yes, he is also Khmelnitsky.
                Few people know that three centuries before the mass extermination of Jews around the world, Ukraine already had murders similar to Nazi ones.

                The massacre of 1648 - 1649 It was arranged by Bogdan Khmelnytsky, the Ukrainian hetman who led the uprising against Polish rule. Since many Jews served with Polish nobles who owned land in Ukraine, the anger of Khmelnitsky turned against the Jews. Like Hitler, Khmelnitsky hated all Jews indiscriminately. It is believed that his Cossack units killed more than one hundred thousand Jews (at a time when world Jewry totaled no more than one and a half million people).


                Well, nothing, in the next life he is guaranteed 1000 years until he dies laughing
                1. Ratibor12
                  0
                  13 June 2013 19: 45
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, nothing, in the next life he is guaranteed 1000 years until he dies


                  And you will be a Jew for a thousand years while you die ... belay
                  1. -1
                    13 June 2013 19: 53
                    Quote: Ratibor12
                    And you will be a Jew for a thousand years while you die ...

                    Thank . expensive.
                    We want up to 120, you decided to bend, as I understand it. tongue Just why will you be a Jew. I am already a Jew. hi
                    1. Ratibor12
                      +3
                      13 June 2013 20: 09
                      Quote: atalef
                      Just why will you be a Jew. I am already a Jew.


                      No. He is not a Jew yet. Larva or neophyte. Therefore and
                      Quote: atalef
                      decided to bend
                      before passing the test. And it’s kind of like handing over a lab to a top cook. lol
              2. Atlon
                +2
                13 June 2013 18: 25
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Hi Sasha! And he has a surname Khmelnitsky

                Do you see Katz? wink
                1. -1
                  13 June 2013 18: 29
                  Quote: Atlon
                  Do you see Katz?

                  Look at the nickname, if you don’t see it, I recommend buying glasses tongue
                  1. tixon444
                    +7
                    13 June 2013 21: 05
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Quote: Atlon
                    Do you see Katz?

                    Look at the nickname, if you don’t see it, I recommend buying glasses tongue


                    Can we take a look? Ta-a-ak, Alexander Romanov ... And why with a small letter? Maybe not really Romanov? stories maybe? Since the works of Dostoevsky and Griboedov seem like stories to you? sad

                    A Jew comes to the ship, he is introduced to the crew.
                    - This is a boatswain, navigator, midshipman, pilot.
                    - Bah! Yes, all of them are right there! My last name is Katsman.

                    I have the honor. Tikhonov Pavel.
              3. 0
                13 June 2013 19: 34
                And he has a surname Khmelnitsky

                In - in, there is reason to think. laughing
              4. +1
                14 June 2013 01: 16
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And he has the surname Khmelnitsky, and my neighbor from the neighboring entrance has the surname Litvinsky, so my neighbor is Jewish. Here I sit and think, think so to speak

                Looks like?
          2. +8
            13 June 2013 17: 36
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            It means that Hitler was guilty of the Jews. ?????
            some are looking for causes, while others are looking for a consequence.
            Oops, the people my wind rose is the Jews to blame.
            Item No. 1. The Jews are to blame.
            Item No. 2. If the Jews are not to blame for something, see paragraph No. 1.



            I need to hold a competition for the coolest and coolest commentary, I think that your commentary, Alexander will be in the top five most original and unsurpassed comments of the VO forum. wassat
            1. Atlon
              +4
              13 June 2013 17: 49
              Quote: Apollon
              it’s necessary to hold a competition for the coolest and coolest comment, I think that your comment, Alexander will be in the top five most original and unsurpassed comments of the VO forum

              Are you laughing? Oh well...
              1. -1
                13 June 2013 18: 07
                Quote: Atlon
                Are you laughing? Oh well...

                I sit in a helmet and body armor, waiting for the attack of the Jews laughing
                1. +5
                  13 June 2013 18: 08
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  I sit in a helmet and body armor, waiting for the attack of the Jews

                  Then steel pants will not hurt wassat
                  And then kaaaak sneak up and kaaak cut on the most expensive laughing
                2. Atlon
                  +4
                  13 June 2013 18: 27
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  I sit in a helmet and body armor, waiting for the attack of the Jews

                  It's very funny ... And meanwhile, they have won you a long time ago and are shearing you like a ram ... And you read all the "stories" and play witty. I repeat for the stupid: well, well ...
                  1. -3
                    13 June 2013 18: 34
                    Quote: Atlon
                    . Meanwhile, they won you a long time ago and cut you like a ram ..

                    Why are you, they’re cutting me straight away ... moreover, like a ram, I’ll cry out all the money and I’ll call Khmelnitsky with me wink Pasha, did you say your business is small, what do you work under the roof of Jews? What is the name of the authority to whom you pay money Abram laughing
                3. +5
                  13 June 2013 23: 48
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  I sit in a helmet and body armor, waiting for the attack of the Jews

                  Comments on the article have slipped to the level of shit mixing and figuring out who is HU, but the article is called:
                  How would we live if there was no war?
            2. -4
              13 June 2013 17: 56
              Are you laughing? Oh well...

              he sleeps with this poster sleeps. Imagine, I got up at night, piss, I saw a poster at the same time and .... wassat
          3. Atlon
            +1
            13 June 2013 17: 44
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            It means that Hitler was guilty of the Jews. ????? some are looking for a cause, while others are looking for a consequence.

            To begin with, Hitler himself was a quarter-Jew. Grandfather is a Jew. Or perhaps even a half-Jew, the son of a neighbor - a Jew.
            Hitler's childhood friends were Jews, for example, his best friend Hanish.
            Jews financed Hitler and helped him come to power. And even all his associates in the Nazi party were mixed with Jewish blood: Himmler, Hess, Heydrich, Eichmann, Canaris, ... and Goebbels also, the teachers and fiancé were Jews.

            So was Hitler an anti-Semite?

            The above indicates no. Rather, a Semite, or a semi-Jew. Hitler borrowed Nazi ideology from Alfred Rosenberg (from the Jews), and he, in turn, from the Talmud, the Jewish ideology of far-fetched superiority. How Hitler grew his hatred of the Jews, consider below. The only mystery remains Hitler's hatred of the Slavs.

            Either as a joke, or simply for practice, the British special services during World War II made a fake passport in the name of Adolf Hitler, indicating in the column "nationality" - a Jew. The first page of the document is printed with a red "J" for "Jude". It contains a fake visa issued by the "Palestinian government" and dated July 19, 1941.

            His real name is Adolf Aloisovich von Schicklgruber. Although he himself proclaimed purity in the nation, he was a half-breed. Maybe that's why he did not see the Jews and destroyed them.
          4. -1
            13 June 2013 19: 31
            Quote: Atlon Zionists and British set on Hitler Russia

            Let's take a look at the history textbook, not far, two centuries ago. Who brought the most grief and misfortune to Russia during this time? "Seksontsy", "Yuda"? No, our "best" enemies are the paddling pool with the Prussians. Better shut up about incitement, the Corsican and the Austrian were far from half-witted. (.diot - here the word is abusive, does not pass)
          5. 0
            21 September 2017 12: 42
            What is their alibi?
        4. Micex
          -2
          13 June 2013 17: 53
          Germany and the USSR calmly divided Poland, but could not divide the Balkans. Ideology entered into the matter and our country was attacked. Therefore, I support an alternative option for a possible division of spheres of influence if Britain had fallen before that. But this, unfortunately, is only from the version area
        5. +8
          13 June 2013 18: 49
          Quote: Atlon
          I wouldn’t attack. Hitler was set up against Russia by the Zionists and the British. There would be no one to set off.

          Have you read Mein Kampf? I read. It feels like a mixture of sleeping pills and emetic, despite all the efforts of the translator - the notorious Karl Radek - to make the translation at least somewhat readable. So, besides all other nonsense, it says in plain text that Germany must acquire the missing "living space" in the east at the expense of the Slavs, whom Adolf considered subhuman and hated almost as much as the Jews. In particular, I don’t remember how many times, but not once, Russia was mentioned, precisely as a reserve of "living space". So the question is "would you attack or not?" did not stand. The question was "when?" Do you really think that Hitler would have abandoned his plans? Note, ideological plans, which, unlike economic or even military plans, cannot be adjusted. Or would any of the Germans go against the beloved Fuhrer leading the German nation from victory to victory? It took a whole chain of defeats on the Eastern Front for the German generals to think about the displacement - no, not the beloved Fuhrer, but the "Czech corporal" his face as a snotty childhood in Austria-Hungary, but history is silent about this).
        6. Tatar
          +5
          14 June 2013 07: 19
          I propose to make Stalin the national leader. how Lenin was during the union, as Mao Zedong is now in China. The country needs an idea - the idea of ​​a strong and powerful state. these are not nationalist slogans where Russian is the main nation. all peoples of Russia should live in peace and harmony, but with some exploded personalities of individual nationalities, the conversation should be short.
      2. +13
        13 June 2013 16: 36
        This is not an alternative story. These are concrete plans for the development of the USSR, interrupted by the war, and after the war foiled by anti-Stalinists led by Khrushchev.
        1. +8
          13 June 2013 16: 57
          Quote: vladimirZ
          These are concrete plans for the development of the USSR,

          These are concrete plans that need to be brought back to life ... the truth is that now the oligarchs will have to fight. But there would be a desire and a will.
          1. +5
            13 June 2013 17: 02
            Quote: Egoza
            These specific plans also need to be brought back to life.


            We lacked the Leader
            1. -1
              13 June 2013 17: 42
              Quote: Vadivak
              We lacked the Leader

              There are few real violent, and there are no leaders
              wassat
              1. _Forgiven_
                0
                14 June 2013 00: 15
                But there are no leaders because he will be surrendered immediately. Our people do not understand who is afraid of and does not go out to break stores when prices have risen, drivers do not go on strike if the price of fuel has risen, there are plenty of examples. There isn’t enough sunk in us, we have squandered since the collapse of Russia, we have become soft. Remember the history of Kievan Rus - European countries of that time had cowards only from talking about an attack on Russia. Our people then were tougher - a little bit wrong, right behind the sword and over the head. Because of this, they respected us and were afraid. And a little Volodya gave his daughter to the French, and traders trampled to us like flies to gov.n.o. There have always been warriors, and now warriors, it’s just that patience probably increased greatly with us ..
            2. Atlon
              0
              13 June 2013 17: 59
              Quote: Vadivak
              We lacked the Leader

              "There are few real violent" (C)
      3. +9
        13 June 2013 16: 52
        Quote: seasoned
        why write articles about an alternative story? The war with Hitler was inevitable and it is not known how the USSR would have fallen asleep if Hitler occupied England (I think it would have managed in 1-2 years), and then in 1943-44 it would have attacked the USSR, and then it would certainly be with Japan and 100% without land - Lisa would have gone.

        Now, if Hitler attacked us after 1942, then he would have been put in such a piston that it would not have seemed! The Stalinist rearmament of the army just ended in 1942, and Hitler took advantage of this! And Lend Lease, I think it did no less harm than good, firstly, normal deliveries began after a radical change in the war in 1943, (if you do not believe, ask veterans), the cost of these deliveries went beyond all reasonable limits, i.e. The USSR lost almost all its gold reserves, which would be very useful after the war, plus everything, American equipment was very moody in our conditions, and often the soldiers preferred to keep it in reserve ..
        So the War was for us at its worst of all possible options!
        1. +6
          13 June 2013 17: 04
          Quote: DEfindER
          Now, if Hitler attacked us after 1942


          That's right, he is a maniac, but not Idiot, hoping to be in time before rearmament otherwise he would not have fought on two fronts
        2. -2
          13 June 2013 17: 18
          then he would have inserted such a piston that it would not have seemed! The Stalinist rearmament of the army just ended in 1942, and Hitler took advantage of this!

          Read less traitor rezun.
          1. +6
            13 June 2013 21: 27
            Quote: leon-iv
            Read less traitor rezun.


            Did I write that the USSR wanted to attack Germany? Well guys turn on the brain
      4. 0
        13 June 2013 23: 35
        Quote: seasoned
        Why write articles about an alternative story?

        At least then, to ponder - does China need a war, if everything is fine with it? And then a few days ago several panic articles on the topic of the Chinese threat appeared.

        Quote: seasoned
        The war with Hitler was inevitable and it is not known how the USSR would have fallen asleep if Hitler occupied England (I think it would have managed in 1-2 years), and then in 1943-44 it would have attacked the USSR, and then it would certainly be with Japan and 100% without land - Lisa would have gone.

        Well, you yourself immediately built an alternative version.
        But why would England fall so quickly? What do you think the states would merge their former metropolis? And even if England fell, the United States would not want our gold in exchange for its equipment and food?
      5. +3
        14 June 2013 06: 59
        We need to know what we have lost. To know WHAT to strive for. Not to devour your neighbor, professing the principle "you die today, and I will die tomorrow." Not to close behind the fences of Rublevka and behind the sticks of the private security guards from their fellow citizens. Not to plow from dawn to dawn without seeing your wife, children, enriching some oligarch. And then die in old age under the fence. Etc.
        And we must strive for what Comrade Stalin planned. They should strive to ensure that all Russian people live a full life, receiving maximum pleasure from it for their contribution to social wealth. Because he planned it for us. Maybe this article will be read by someone who in the future will be at the top of power. After all, the power of the oligarchs is not eternal, I hope so. And then he will already know which way he should go, and not wander in the dark, making mistakes, as Khrushchev made them, discarding the experience of his predecessor from ideological considerations.
      6. dp_88
        +2
        14 June 2013 10: 36
        In this case, consideration of an alternative development option is quite appropriate, since society is in a state of uncertainty and the search for meanings and directions. This alternative option, with some consideration of modern situational corrections, would undoubtedly lead the country out of the stopper of degradation. Another thing is that the current elite is not able to make such large-scale and radical transformations either for free will or for intellectual reasons.
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      9. Kostya pedestrian
        0
        14 June 2013 15: 08
        Why minus, a colleague brings his vision, and although I do not agree, it is proved by history - the Russians and the Entente and against the Entente were not defeated by the British and Japanese, whom the Red Army drove both from Murmansk and from Vladivostok
      10. kvodrato
        0
        14 June 2013 17: 49
        The history of Russia or how they hid our past. WATCH TO THE END.
    2. Nevsky
      +5
      13 June 2013 15: 43
      I haven’t read it, so why sprinkle ash on my head? You need to roll up your sleeves and go forward, for example, to USSR 2.0. wink But plus the author set for the effort.
      1. -11
        13 June 2013 15: 45
        for example to the USSR 2.0

        so everything goes to a bright nuclear tomorrow.
        1. +16
          13 June 2013 16: 14
          Article plus. The causes of the collapse of the USSR must be known, for this is our history, who does not know history repeats the mistakes of the past.
          I would like to add, why do we need enemies when we had such "friends" (Khrushchev, Gorbachev and other Kravchuk with Kuchma)
          1. 0
            13 June 2013 23: 53
            Quote: bogdan
            I would like to add, why do we need enemies when we had such "friends" (Khrushchev, Gorbachev and other Kravchuk with Kuchma)

            In the same company, EBN, degenerate Gaidar and the like ...
          2. _Forgiven_
            +6
            14 June 2013 00: 20
            But the last two, I would have generally hung for the eggs on the fence. Kravchuk climbed with his own independence, would have sat bastard and sniffed into two holes. August 24 at normal Ukrainians is not a holiday but mourning. A holiday for Yatsenyuk and Tyagnibok probably with Tymoshenko.
    3. Capt.stryker
      -4
      14 June 2013 01: 40
      Quote: leon-iv
      I will answer briefly
      If Grandma had MPH, she would be Grandfather

      If wolves ate cabbage, they would be goats! laughing

      Quote: seasoned
      if Hitler occupied England (I think I could manage in 1-2 years),

      If I hadn't managed it, I wouldn't have had enough strength! The Germans could not have crossed the English Channel! The air war known as the "Battle of Britain" was overthrown by the Germans, being outnumbered over the Britons. And by what means the Germans were going to cross the English Channel, with the total superiority of the British fleet over the Kriegsmarine, and there, when the US Navy would also catch up - the Anglo-Saxon brothers ... it would not be sweet at all! By the way, you have reproached the author of the article with being infatuated with alternative history, but you yourself have begun to develop this "history"! It doesn't turn out nicely somehow! am
      Next:
      Quote: seasoned
      and then in 1943-44 would attack the USSR
      Neither in the 43rd, nor in the 44th, nor even in the 42nd, and even more so if the Germans had not attacked the USSR not later than June 25, then it would be Stalin who would have attacked Germany later in the middle of July 1941 ! And as if a historical curve would have gone then - it’s scary to imagine! Then, I AM SURE (!!!), there would not have been Pearl Harbor, but there would have been Vladivostok. And the first atomic bombs would have fallen not on Japan, because japas would have become allies of the United States, and even not on Germany they would have fallen, but on the most modest one on Moscow and Leningrad! And the Soviet Union would end its history not in December 1991, but later in 1943-44.
      1. +3
        14 June 2013 08: 27
        Oh, pulled by resunoid. Pooh.
    4. fokino1980
      0
      14 June 2013 08: 25
      I will also answer briefly:
      "from gayevrope" am
  2. -12
    13 June 2013 15: 39
    And if it had not been for the first world war and for revolutions in Russia, then all other countries would not have been equal to our military, economic and spiritual power. Russia could be the first in the history of the first SUPER-HOLD !!!
    1. Nevsky
      +12
      13 June 2013 15: 45
      Quote: T-100
      And if it had not been for the first world war and for revolutions in Russia, then all other countries would not have been equal to our military, economic and spiritual power. Russia could be the first in the history of the first SUPER-HOLD !!!


      It’s debatable ... But who would carry out industrialization and how? Stolypin did not solve the agrarian question, they say they did not. request
      1. DeerIvanovich
        -2
        13 June 2013 16: 54
        Stolypin and Witte should be put on a stake for their reforms! The same destroyers of the economy as Chernomyrdin with his comrades
        1. Atlon
          +2
          13 June 2013 17: 33
          Quote: DeerIvanovich
          Stolypin and Witte should be put on a stake for their reforms!

          What do you know SPECIFICALLY about those reforms? Or "I have not read, but I ardently condemn"? For such high-profile statements, one must have reason. Do you have them, sir?
          1. DeerIvanovich
            +1
            13 June 2013 18: 31
            Naturally, there is. Thanks to Witte, for example, the banking system was introduced in the Russian Empire, and it was built for Western countries.
            And what did Stolypin ??? Instead of realizing agrarian reform, he sent a bunch of settlers at his own risk and peril to the uninhabited lands ...
            I would like to hear from you what good these figures brought to our state?
            1. 0
              13 June 2013 23: 40
              Quote: DeerIvanovich
              Instead of realizing agrarian reform, he sent a bunch of settlers at his own risk and peril to the uninhabited lands ...

              And what had to be done? I would now send a bunch of unemployed parasites to uninhabited lands. And even the land is empty and parasites do not know what to do.
              1. -1
                14 June 2013 08: 54
                well, no parasites know what they’ll do, they stupidly put cons, brains aren’t enough for something more meaningful laughing
          2. +2
            14 June 2013 09: 30
            Quote: DeerIvanovich
            Stolypin and Witte should be put on a stake for their reforms!

            Quote: Atlon
            What do you know SPECIFICALLY about those reforms?

            I will answer you colleagues. The main mistake of Stolypin was that he made a bet on the prosperous peasantry, and the kulaks, investing money in their development, which led to even greater enrichment of the rich and greater impoverishment of the poor, because no one was going to share with ordinary peasants, and the money was mainly spent not on the development of the economy, for example, technical re-equipment, but on hiring an even greater number of people for pennies, because why the technology if you can hire a breakthrough of hungry peasants for food .. This all aggravated the discontent in the countryside, which allowed the revolution to find broad support for the peasantry.
            1. Atlon
              -1
              15 June 2013 09: 28
              Quote: DEfindER
              I will answer you colleagues.

              What nonsense ... where did you get this? I advise you to study the history of the Stolypin reforms. I can only say that the revolution did not happen "thanks" to Stolypin's reforms, but they killed him precisely because a couple of years of such reforms, and no revolution could have been by definition!
      2. -1
        14 June 2013 14: 19
        I wrote if there was no revolution, and this implies that there should not have been such an organization as "Narodnaya Volya". DON'T worry industrialization went on as usual. What suggests that the country has a first-class industry - this is its navy, then how complex and powerful it has. Agree to us at school that the Russian Empire was agrarian, industrially backward, but how then battleships were built (whose guns were 405,7 mm caliber), rifles (7,62 caliber), cartridges for them, field guns, airplanes. the machines had what they could cut the caliber 7,62, the hundredths of a millimeter were cut out. And judging by our surface construction, our industry, apart from frigates and boats, cannot yet build more, since we do not build such complex (from a technical point of view) cruisers, aircraft carriers, destroyers. Well, at least we will compensate for this with the nuclear submarines. In Soviet times, let's not deny, industrialization was carried out harshly, quickly, not without many sacrifices. During the time of Nicholas 2, she went through a stormy and evolutionary path))))
        1. Ratibor12
          +1
          14 June 2013 15: 20
          Quote: T-100
          Don’t worry, industrialization took its course.

          Quote: T-100
          In the time of Nicholas 2, she walked violently and evolutionarily


          The revolution was the last chance to save the Slavs in the 20th century.
          In 1931, JV Stalin declared: “... We are 50-100 years behind advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they crush us ”
          If not for the colossal Soviet industrialization, the country would not have survived the clash with the fascist European Union.
        2. +2
          14 June 2013 15: 36
          Do not forget the unfortunate fact that the squadron in which there were several of those wonderful battleships in 1904 in the Tsushima Strait, the cross-eyed backward Asians sent to the bottom of the sea without losing a single ship
    2. +11
      13 June 2013 15: 53
      Oh, here it is quite controversial, not for nothing, I do not remember one of the classics said: "In Russia there is a tsar-bell that does not ring, a tsar-cannon that does not shoot and a tsar-tsar who does not rule." The February revolution was inevitable, so it turns out.
      1. Ratibor12
        +1
        13 June 2013 21: 48
        Quote: Max Otto
        "In Russia there is a tsar-bell that does not ring, a tsar-cannon that does not fire, and a tsar-tsar who does not rule."


        Contemporaries:
        "Tsar Cannon, Tsar Bell, Tsar Rag"

        "God, take the tsar! He is not well for us!
        On the forehead, he is contu-u-uh Japo-o-ontsy! "
      2. 0
        14 June 2013 14: 22
        In Russia there is a tsar-bell that does not ring, a tsar-cannon that does not fire and a tsar-king who does not rule

        Tsar Bomb did everything for everyone. 50 Megatons, the explosion on New Earth, the sound wave of 3da circled the Earth.
    3. +6
      13 June 2013 16: 09

      if it weren’t for the first world war and for revolutions in Russia, then all other countries would not be equal to our military, economic and spiritual power

      Yes, yes, yes, you are absolutely right! There would be no collectivization. The peasants would be fed. True, there would have been no industrialization either ... And they would have gone with pitchforks and "moosinks" in the end to meet the yubermen in panzers ... Or naglichan, it doesn't matter. But well-fed and with a roll of bosom.
      1. -8
        13 June 2013 17: 02
        According to the recollections of my grandfather, on the maternal side, before the war they lived very well (Rybinsk, Yaroslavl region). He worked as a foreman at a factory, there was a KIM machine. After the war, first there was an M72, then a Vyatka scooter. "Growth" of well-being is evident.
        Well, there would be no collectivization! No matter how many people survived! At that time there was enough bread in Russia. Well, Russia would not have been second in industrial development, but in the third or fourth before the Second World War, they would have won anyway. states, no one believes that the Russian army was worse armed and dressed than the German. So for the second war would be prepared on an equal footing
        1. +6
          13 June 2013 17: 15
          Quote: Starina_Hank
          Well, there would be no collectivization! How many people would survive!

          How many were prescribed in the Ost plan, so much would have survived.
          1. -1
            13 June 2013 19: 17
            Russian Prussians always beat
            1. 0
              14 June 2013 08: 29
              Even in WWI? This is when the tsarist generals washed their feet in a spree in which year 191?
              1. 0
                15 June 2013 10: 41
                Quote: alicante11
                Even in WWI? This is when the tsarist generals washed their feet in a spree in which year 191?

                Fatal events in the political sphere (revolutionary fermentation) deprived the Russian Empire of statehood and, as a result, victory in the WWI ...
        2. Avenger711
          +1
          14 June 2013 01: 56
          Do you think that Stalin had nothing to do but arrange a collectivization that could end in riot? Unfortunately, the situation was such that there was no other option. Or a collective farm, or starve one at a time.
        3. +1
          14 June 2013 09: 41
          Quote: Starina_Hank
          Well, there would be no collectivization! How many people would survive!

          When do people learn facts to reinforce everything?
          From that period:
          in the most fierce period of dispossession, in 1930-1931, the peasants expropriated the property of 381 kulaks, who, together with their families (and this is 026 people) were sent to the East (i.e. to Siberia). Of these, by January 1, 803, 392 people reached the places of settlement; the remaining 1 people fled along the way.
          In general, only a part of the 63 thousand kulaks sentenced to execution were shot "for counter-revolutionary activity." The number of deaths during deportation, mostly from hunger and epidemics, was about 100 thousand people. For 1932-40. about 200 thousand kulaks died in the camps from natural causes.
          1. +1
            14 June 2013 12: 09
            Moreover, not even all Siberia was exiled. Someone to Kazakhstan, and someone generally to neighboring regions. On the website "For Stalin" there is a sign who was sent and where.
    4. +7
      13 June 2013 16: 11
      Quote: T-100
      And if not for the first world war and for the revolution in Russia

      We would not be an atomic or cosmic power !!!! - that’s for sure!
    5. +10
      13 June 2013 16: 51
      Quote: T-100
      And if it had not been for the first world war and for revolutions in Russia, then all other countries would not have been equal to our military, economic and spiritual power. Russia could be the first in the history of the first SUPER-HOLD !!!


      And I believe that Russia was the only superpower - the Empire, until the Middle Ages, when the "Age of Enlightenment" happened in the gamerops ...
      Then the vassals quietly rewrote History, while the "Bear" dozed in hibernation, confident in his invulnerability, and new generations have "forgotten" who their ancestors were 100 years ago ...

      Russia in the person of the USSR, simply returned, tried to regain its space and the right to prevail with morality over the boring peoples of the former vassals, which is repeated today ...
      I use the word is repeated because in 1991, the descendants of the vassals, tried even more, to even more deeply sink the main ship of world civilization - Russia ...

      Partially succeeded ... The slaves drank the slaves of Satan completely.

      Glory to you, Lord! That did not allow the worst ...

      God bless Russia and its glorious peoples !!

      We are Russians, and fraternal peoples are obliged to preserve the many-thousand-year-old Russia - Russia!

      Amen!
    6. Capt.stryker
      -2
      14 June 2013 01: 55
      Quote: T-100
      And if not for the first world war and for the revolution in Russia,

      And if it had not yet been Alexander III, or Petya I, and if you pick it even deeper - not Vanya the Terrible, how then would the world history curve be bent? Maybe Russia - namely Russia, and not Russia, would become the mother of world democracy, and not Britain? AND!? Love friends! How do you like this alternative option?
  3. HAM
    +3
    13 June 2013 15: 49
    NOT EVERYTHING IS INDIVIDUAL BUT BEAUTIFUL!
  4. raf
    -2
    13 June 2013 15: 50
    How would we live if there were no war?
    History does not know the subjunctive moods!
  5. fisherman
    +8
    13 June 2013 15: 51
    The article is good and almost true ... But everything should not be blamed on Khrushchev ... During the years of perestroika, our country was destroyed more than during the Second World War ...
    1. +2
      14 June 2013 15: 43
      Yes, but after World War II, the country was restored in 8 years and the first satellite was launched in 12 years. And now, 22 years after the collapse of the union, we are still talking only about modernization, innovation, etc.
  6. +12
    13 June 2013 15: 53
    And I liked the article.
    I just liked it and that's it.

    Sometimes it's good to "look around the corner".
    Those. to think about what the future would be if there were no war. The plans of that leadership, their aspirations and goals become more clear.
    Inspire respect.
    And the present becomes more clear. There is something to compare.

    Knowing the history and predicting an alternative history cool the minds of contemporaries well and make you think about the future.
    The war brought not only trouble to the people, it tore TO the construction of life, shocked by which was the west ...
  7. Igor
    +4
    13 June 2013 15: 56
    Quote: raf
    How would we live if there were no war?
    History does not know the subjunctive moods!


    Wow .. But here it’s not the story !!
    The point is in Ideas, if the idea of ​​development and progress was prevented in the 40s, then maybe it should be implemented now?
    artels, for example, instead of aligarchs, in my opinion a very good idea.
  8. +1
    13 June 2013 16: 00
    Already in 1932, unemployment not only disappeared, but also had to attract an additional two million workers. By 1940, the number of workers and employees increased to 31,2 million, the urban population of the country tripled!

    While reading, I remembered something. Yeah! The industrial revolution in England. They began to breed sheep, stopped growing grain, began to import from Australia. Where are the peasants? In the working class! And if it does not go? Strongly unhappy to hang, the rest either to the factory under guard, or to Australia, forcibly-voluntarily!
    How abruptly increased the size of the working class and urban population!
    The laws of physics and economics are unchanged. If somewhere decreased, then somewhere increased.
    1. Avenger711
      0
      14 June 2013 01: 59
      And now, the same thing is naturally repeated in the USSR at the end of the 20s, only with the expulsion and extinction of not 1-2, well, let it be 5% of the peasantry, but half, or 75%.
  9. +26
    13 June 2013 16: 01
    Stalin, obscurantist, kind of, in the plan of the first five-year plan laid the increase in members of the cooperative 2,5 times. I think the liberals will be able to explain this quite simply, so that there is someone to put in the Gulag. Those. small business in a totalitarian USSR was raised not in words, as in democratic Russia, but in practice. Examples? Yes please:
    - in the first 2 years enterprises were exempted from taxes and state control over pricing. I captured the market first, there is time to skim the cream (the only restriction is that prices should not be 15% higher than state prices for similar goods).
    to state officials since the beginning of the 41st year it was forbidden to interfere in the affairs of the artels under any pretext.
    -prices for raw materials, equipment, industrial space, transport
    The costs for private owners were fixed (goodbye, rollback, as they say).
    -paperwork has been minimized.
    -total in the private sector operated about 115 thousand enterprises. The first radios, tube radios, televisions (1939) were produced in St. Petersburg by private traders. Even faculty during the war years was produced, by and large, by the forces of artels.
    In total, the share of gross product in the USSR economy with regards to private traders was 7%.

    Most of the commerce in the "prison of peoples" did not know any kickbacks, no corruption, no bureaucratic lawlessness ... Savages, by God!
    1. +5
      13 June 2013 16: 46
      Quote: Rattenfanger
      Savages, by golly!

      laughing

      Thanks for the info about the artels, very interesting.
      good
      1. +1
        13 June 2013 18: 46
        Quote: Aleks tv
        Thanks for the info about the artels

        You're welcome. hi
    2. MG42
      +5
      13 June 2013 19: 42
      in the topic of artels >> did cap I found repairs in the apartment on the parquet flooring scissors of those times, there the stigma <metartel union sannitsky> cut the class, not that now the scissors are complete bullshit ...
  10. -3
    13 June 2013 16: 09
    The pace of socialist construction, cinema, Ukraine, Khrushchev is a bastard, a wealthy cripple .... well, where "my dear, if there was no war !!"?
    no matter what is in the title. Anyway.
    Read the article to my grandparents ... I think not everyone would agree. It is good for us, beyond the horizon of events ... and it is seen better, and we remember less.
    You should not draw that life well in such rainbow colors.
    Collective farms, as a rule, are extreme poverty and hunger. Survived! didn’t live. (Grandmother said that since the 20s plenty of bread was eaten only under Khrushchev.) And what about state loans? - people for years (in aggregate) worked for the state.
    Gulag + beggarly s.p. for those who are free + universal employment + forest and gold ensured the highest growth of the country's economy. (I'm not talking about the almost complete absence of corruption, a smart investment of money, and so on) One must also remember this.
    Now answering the question in the title ...
    - probably there would be no qualitative breakthrough in mechanical engineering
    - certainly there would be no social camp
    - there would be 9 MAY
    Victory Day we would celebrate another day.
    1. +10
      13 June 2013 16: 23
      Quote: Chen
      Now answering the question in the title ...


      You have an interesting comment, lively. He put a plus, well, for the heap - white bread for me, a child and a city dweller, my mother received Khrushchev coupons, and my grandmother began to receive a pension for her husband missing in September 1941 when his division left the Pinsk marshes.
    2. Avenger711
      +2
      14 June 2013 02: 01
      Such poverty is that the Red Army bought tanks with planes.
  11. +9
    13 June 2013 16: 24
    I liked the article. If you stick to the facts, and discard the author's excessive enthusiasm, then I agree with him. One example, if we are so backward and weak, then how, during the Great War, evacuating factories, from scratch (places), we were able to establish the production of military equipment, ammunition and equipment? Yes, at some points we lagged behind in manufacturability and quality of production! Yes, few people cared about aesthetics or ergonomics! But in general, our technique was not inferior! Because it is impossible to defeat the strongest army at that time without becoming stronger. And if we were a land of alcoholics and convicts, how could we do this? In the 10-15 pre-war years we have become a very advanced country precisely at the engineering and educational level. In general, you need to read, watch, evaluate and draw conclusions yourself. Thank God now the info "sea".
    1. Avenger711
      0
      14 June 2013 02: 02
      And there were no empty places, foundations and communications were let down in advance. The evacuation plan was very meticulously drawn up and correctly implemented.
  12. +2
    13 June 2013 16: 33
    Truly history develops in a spiral. It can’t happen that the country doesn’t get up and throw off all sorts of parasites - dissidents. But so far we have no real leader. Till...
  13. tverskoi77
    +5
    13 June 2013 16: 49
    To plan for the future, you always need to know the history of the past, the history of mistakes and achievements. Alternative scenarios are also useful.
    Here the author certainly does not hide his love for Khrushchev, but in principle this is not the point. From the Stalinist system, five-year planning with specific indicators can be emphasized, now no one wants to take on such responsibility. Assimilate money without any reported results. And a very fundamental approach to everything with a foundation for the future.
  14. -2
    13 June 2013 17: 00
    Wow, they cheerfully naminus. And as always, the cat wept.
    1. +1
      13 June 2013 17: 10
      Quote: leon-iv
      Wow, they cheerfully naminusovat.

      And for example, I’m not surprised, in that situation, that here we have people who believe in an alliance with the ogre-Fuhrer




      1. +3
        13 June 2013 17: 14
        Quote: Vadivak
        But I’m not surprised, for example, in the situation that we have people who believe in an alliance with the ogre-Fuhrer,

        Today, maybe some outbreaks on the Sun are abnormal? request In one of the topics, Goebels quotes cited me as an example, though without specifying the author. The world (forum users) turned upside down belay
        1. DeerIvanovich
          0
          13 June 2013 18: 51
          If you take a little trouble reading, then the posts above will be a post by Vadivak, quoting "Haile" himself, so there is nothing to be surprised at.
          1. +3
            13 June 2013 18: 56
            Quote: DeerIvanovich
            If you take a little trouble reading, then the posts above will be a post by Vadivak, quoting "Haile" himself, so there is nothing to be surprised at.

            Vadim gives a quote from which it is clear what fate was prepared for the Slavs, and Goebels was quoted to me about criticism and its role hi
          2. +1
            13 June 2013 20: 33
            Quote: DeerIvanovich
            If you take a little trouble reading, then the posts above will be a post by Vadivak, quoting "Haile" himself, so there is nothing to be surprised at.


            Exactly, there is. As he speaks about us Slavs, read, it may come in handy
            1. DeerIvanovich
              -1
              13 June 2013 20: 51
              are you pushing me to destroy the Slavs what le? belay
              in essence: just as I wrote my experienced post, so I stabbed it with a post about you ... next time let it express my thoughts more accurately.
      2. -3
        13 June 2013 17: 21
        Quote: Vadivak
        And for example, I’m not surprised, in that situation, that here we have people who believe in an alliance with the ogre-Fuhrer

        Quote: Vadivak
        In one of the topics, Goebels quotes cited me as an example, though without specifying the author. The world (forum users) turned upside down

        Hi Vadim, people (such as Athlone) would be written as friends and put up by their authorities to justify their anti-Semitism.
        1. +1
          13 June 2013 20: 30
          Quote: atalef
          Hi Vadim, people (like Athlone) to justify their anti-Semitism to


          Sasha bow to you, I noticed how he translated everything into the Jews. Sorry do not read our correspondence doctor .....
      3. +3
        13 June 2013 18: 55
        Quote: Vadivak

        And for example, I’m not surprised, in that situation, that here we have people who believe in an alliance with the ogre-Fuhrer

        Until the 22 of June 1941, the Fuhrer was not a cannibal.
        You do not consider Bush and Obama the cannibals, and the Führer, in comparison with these killers, until 22 on June 1941, was just a puppy, a small mushberry.
        1. +1
          13 June 2013 21: 30
          Quote: Corsair5912
          Until the 22 of June 1941, the Fuhrer was not a cannibal.

          There was Stalin who knew this, otherwise he would not have accepted the Jews who fled from Nazism from Europe.
  15. lexe
    -9
    13 June 2013 17: 05
    Stalin was an excellent administrator. But often he went too far. He was in a hurry to catch up with the West. The end justified the means, according to Stalin.
    That's just the world is not a spherical vacuum. Economic new models invented in the West gave a striking effect in a short time. The principle was a simple pyramid and a boom in consumption. Why was it possible to mass produce a car? But Ford just decided to sell products to workers on the cheap! -Socialism Supporters of hard capitalism simply hated him. But he defended his ideas and made them dominant in the USA. Yes ... and then went on to mass production of Shermans with workers who had a car in the garage!)
    In the United States, during the period of unemployment, there were also such vacancies, for example, driving birds away in parks.) - It’s stupidly not a benefit, but worthless work with s / n so that people don’t go down and drink too much. They knew that people would still be needed for mass production.
    As a result, we have: Stalin was opposed by a new class of Western management masterly, able to induce people to work efficiently. To this we must add Hollywood, the media, architecture, etc. who clearly understood what the worker needed after work.
    Against such weapons of mass consumption-production, it was possible to withstand only the same ways. Yes, in terms of the military-industrial complex, they could catch up with someone. After all, this is also a way of life-machine \ house-person should feel that he is keeping up with progress instead of lagging behind him. But our defense industry initially gave out a lot of marriage. and they knew it well at the front.
    But Ford is not a genius. There was still state socialism planned in tsarist Russia. Managers under the tsar offered grandiose plans. The credit grew sharply, the system of worker equity participation through equity was real. All of them ended up ... I recalled Chubais and today's valuable market papers ...
    We had no chance in the USSR against such economic weapons. The ideal incentive for labor will always lose to the economic one. Well, if there is no threat to life, then a woman and a child will stand up for the machines. The question is, what do we need is always a threat to just work? weapons for what we hold? To develop as well.
    1. Avenger711
      +1
      14 June 2013 02: 04
      Stalin also used the acceleration of the economy with denbgs. More precisely, it was he who carried out industrialization with the formation of the domestic market, but without the state. regulation sooner or later a crisis comes.
    2. +1
      14 June 2013 08: 39
      If you read the article, you will just see that Stalin acted just on the consumer. Shortened working hours. And what do you want to relax, do you want, in the artel or on the infield at that time you dig in, and the salary goes. Reduced retail prices. Again, for more consumption. Well, then, the Leader did not have time, and Beria was not allowed to continue.
  16. +2
    13 June 2013 17: 07
    The article is interesting.
  17. +4
    13 June 2013 17: 12
    It would be nice if we lived. That's all I want to say.
  18. +4
    13 June 2013 17: 24
    It is enough that the snickering partocrats led by the degenerate Khrushchev would not kill the Leader, because, as you know, Stalin was going to remove the nomenclature from power, and the nomenklatura, both then and now, does not want to lose its warm armchairs and pliant secretaries. stranu.U Yu. Mukhin has for these people even their own definition - "animals", ie. creatures only outwardly similar to man, but incapable of creation only to eat, reproduce and destroy. Stalin was not an angel, and an angel could not rule the country, there was already one "holy great martyr" and "master of the Russian land" who destroyed the country, family and dynasty. He gave icons to everyone and prayed to God, and the country behind him plunged into chaos. The great creators of the Russian state, such as Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Alexander III or Stalin, who put their lives in the service of Russia are always called "bloody tyrants" who personally ruined hundreds of trillions innocent souls.
  19. +4
    13 June 2013 17: 25
    Khrushchev turned out to be worse than thermonuclear war - it's hard to disagree ...
  20. +3
    13 June 2013 17: 29
    "- It is impossible to defeat Russians, we have been convinced of this for hundreds of years. But you can instill false values, and then they will defeat themselves!" The most interesting thing is that after we "conquer" ourselves we become even stronger ... Mysterious Russian soul !!! That is how we live....
  21. -12
    13 June 2013 17: 32
    Of course, many would not like my opinion, but without war and the image of the enemy of the USSR, he could not exist. after some time, people would ask questions why it is so bad, if everything is good around.
    Yves 30 and 40 people lived very hard (peasants were generally at the level of serfs, without passports), and then, the role of the USSR in the arms race was not small.
    Read - Lenin, Stalin - they just raved about the world revolution, remember the songs of 40's. The whole country worked only for the army. Long before Hitler came to power.
    1. +9
      13 June 2013 18: 22
      Quote: atalef
      Stalin - they just raved about the world revolution

      That's it! Read the works of I.V. Stalin and give an example where he raves about the world revolution!
      Minus to you, dear!
    2. +7
      13 June 2013 18: 49
      Quote: atalef
      Read-Lenin, Stalin-they just raved about the world revolution

      Stalin raved about the world revolution? Link to the source, please! fool
      1. -12
        13 June 2013 19: 05
        Maybe raved, you know how. Secretly. Since Trotsky was his opponent in the struggle for the Leninist inheritance, and it was he who was her ardent and open supporter.

        Stalin was a very mediocre theoretician. He has been a practitioner since participating in the underground.
        1. tixon444
          +4
          13 June 2013 22: 00
          Quote: Spade
          Maybe raved, you know how. Secretly. Since Trotsky was his opponent in the struggle for the Leninist inheritance, and it was he who was her ardent and open supporter.

          Stalin was a very mediocre theoretician. He has been a practitioner since participating in the underground.


          Not true. Read the works of Stalin, his speech at the congresses of the CPSU (b). It was Stalin who initiated the construction of socialism in a single state when he chose the thesis of “socialism in one country” as his political and ideological platform. This happened at the end of 1924, when he first spoke on the question of building socialism in one, separately taken Soviet Russia. And even more so, let's not forget about industrialization. He was not a talker. It's true.

          http://ivstalin.ru/put-k-vlasti/sotsializm-v-odnoy-otdelno-vzyatoy-strane.html
          1. -4
            13 June 2013 22: 13
            Are you trying to compare Stalin with Lenin, or at least Trotsky?
            1. tixon444
              +4
              13 June 2013 22: 25
              Quote: Spade
              Are you trying to compare Stalin with Lenin, or at least Trotsky?


              No, I do not compare, where did you get it? With Trotsky all the more, it will be an insult to the memory of the Father of Nations.
    3. tixon444
      -4
      13 June 2013 21: 26
      Quote: atalef
      Read-Lenin, Stalin-they just raved about the world revolution, remember the songs of the 40s


      Are you talking about this song?



      It was not Stalin who raved about the world revolution, but Trotsky.
      1. tixon444
        +4
        14 June 2013 00: 34
        The Corsican Choir I Chjami Aghjalesi sings a song written during the Civil War by composer Samuil Pokrass and poet Pavel Gorinstein (pseudonym Grigoriev). The song was written in 1920 and was called "The White Army, Black Baron", later renamed "The Red Army is Strongest of All."
        In October 1768, the regular army of independent and democratic Corsica at the Battle of Borg defeated one of the best armies in the world of that era - the army of the king of France. The song sings about it. Corsican words were written by F. Manaut.
        This is for those who sculpt minus right and left.
        1. MG42
          +2
          14 June 2013 02: 17
          Quote: tixon444
          Corsican choir I Chjami Aghjalesi sings a song ....
          This is for those who sculpt minus right and left.

          I didn’t set a minus, but it’s not the first time I have seen these singing frogs here .. here’s an excellent performance of this song bully
    4. Avenger711
      0
      14 June 2013 02: 05
      You 1- zpo history. Run to learn materiel.
  22. SHARK
    +4
    13 June 2013 17: 38
    But Stalin’s approach is indicative, and now Putin is telling the ministers when they provided him with a new plan for the execution of the May decrees, they say you guys weren’t fucking cool, you don’t work, you have zero personal responsibility, only your eyes are down. When the body is sick, a medicine is needed, but now there is no medicine and is not expected, because the legislative regulation in our country is dead, designed for weaning grandmothers from the population. and not an order of magnitude, privatization is an example, a one-room apartment, in words everything is free exactly as by law, but put 30 pieces on a barrel, information xy ... vochki, etc.
  23. +3
    13 June 2013 17: 39
    Who does not work for his army - works for someone else's. Atalef, this is not my idea.
  24. +1
    13 June 2013 17: 47
    I would not want Russia to turn into gay Europe .. We have punished many for our history .. and live like "my house is on the edge, I don't know anything and it's not bad to feed us here too .." This is not for us .. We Russians need space and in the soul and in technology so that we were the first ... And without this, living is boring and disgusting ..
  25. 0
    13 June 2013 17: 50
    Quote: Lexi
    Stalin was an excellent administrator. But he often went too far. He was in a hurry to catch up with the West. The end justified the means, according to Stalin. Only the world is not a spherical vacuum. The economic new models invented in the West gave a striking effect in a short time. The principle was a simple pyramid and a boom Why did the mass production of cars become possible? But Ford simply decided to sell products to workers on the cheap! -Socialism is a face. He just hated the supporters of hard capitalism. But he defended his ideas and made them dominant in the USA. Yes ... and then switched to the mass production of Shermans with workers who had a car in the garage!) In the United States, during the period of unemployment, there were such vacancies, for example, driving birds away in parks.) - It’s stupidly not an allowance but worthless work with s / n so that people don’t go down and drink too much . We knew that people would still be needed for mass production. As a result, we have: Stalin was opposed by a new class of Western management masterly, able to induce people to effective work. u need to add Hollywood, media, architecture, etc. who clearly knew what the worker needed after work. Against such weapons of mass consumption-production, they could only withstand the same methods. Yes, they could catch up with the military-industrial complex, but with whom, the specialist is also a way of life-machine \ house-man I should feel that he is keeping up with progress and not lag behind him. But after all, our military-industrial complex gave out a lot of marriages. And they knew it well at the front. But Ford is not a genius. There was state socialism planned in tsarist Russia. Managers under the tsar offered grandiose plans. The consumer loan sharply grew, the system of the worker’s equity participation through equity was quite real. All of them eventually disappeared ... I remembered Chubais and today's securities market ... We had no chance in the USSR against such economic weapons. Ideal incentive for labor, it will always lose to the economic one. Well, unless there is a threat to life, then a woman with a child will stand up for the machines. The question is, what do we always need a threat to just work? NW weapons for what we rzhim? To develop as well.


    Something you fooled in your theory ...
    1. lexe
      +1
      13 June 2013 18: 18
      Well, clarify what you see turbidity.
      Stalin squeezed the maximum out of the communist idea, and this is his talent. And they went to war with us in 1941. using Hitler’s puppet not because of fear of further development of communism in our country, but because Stalin was a flexible politician. He could calculate everything and easily change his political course, but already with a mass of factories built for the Bright Future! laughing
      He gravitated to the empire is a fact. He did not want a world revolution, although he enjoyed the influence of leftist ideas in the world.
      And Stalin died strangely. Grandiose ideas ripened in his head. But he really appreciated and respected the achievements of the West. And in architecture and in aircraft construction and the auto / industry. Why did we lack the mobility that automobiles allowed in WWII? Hitler all European buses even to drove us and created chaos by divisions on wheels.
      1. tixon444
        +1
        13 June 2013 21: 45
        Quote: Lexi
        And Stalin died strangely


        Nothing strange. He neglected the personnel rotation rule, which he had successfully used before the war. In the end, he became either too gullible, or too lazy, after all, the 74th year had gone. And he would change his worthless environment, so much that the country would achieve.
  26. +6
    13 June 2013 18: 47
    By all means, Stalin tried to prevent a war with Hitler, but he was opposed by the most sophisticated villains in political games in Western Europe.
    Of course, if there had not been a war in the USSR, 26 million people, including 11.5 million men of active working age, would not have died.
    "During the war years on Soviet territory, 1710 cities and towns of urban type and more than 70 thousand villages and villages, 32 thousand industrial enterprises were destroyed, 98 thousand collective farms, 1876 state farms were destroyed. The State Commission established that material damage was about 30 percent of the national wealth of the Soviet Union, and in the areas under occupation - about two thirds.In general, the material losses of the Soviet Union are estimated at about 2 trillion 600 billion rubles (Soviet rubles, at the rate of 1 US dollar - 66 kopecks).
    All Holocausts are just a trifle compared to these losses.
  27. -10
    13 June 2013 18: 48
    Stalin was a Caucasian ... he did not have a flight of soul ... he was driven by fear ... and in 41 he realized this when, after two weeks of depression, he addressed "Brothers and Sisters ..." and in the 45th toast "Thank you to the Russian people." .The catastrophe in 41 is on his conscience .. There is simply such a thing as "Thunder will not strike, a man does not cross himself .." Poles from Moscow expelled a simple Russian man and Napoleon and Hitler .. Partisans in the forests in the fields Russian women working in factories and the fields .. The same Putin caught the wave (or rather realized that the limit has come and something needs to be done ..) .. Russia .. Russians are tired of being humiliated and robbed .... Here's something I wrote shortly hurt .. just ..
    1. +4
      13 June 2013 19: 26
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Stalin was a Caucasian

      "To me, as a Russian, these savage dances are alien!"(JV Stalin on the performance of the Georgian folk ensemble)
      Stalin even wrote "Russian" in the questionnaire, although there was Georgian, Ossetian and Abkhazian blood in him.
      It seems to me that he was Russian to a greater extent than many genetic Russians.


      The catastrophe in 41 is on his conscience .. There is simply such a thing as "Thunder will not break out, a man will not cross himself .."

      Motivate.
      1. +1
        13 June 2013 22: 10
        Quote: Rattenfanger
        Motivate.

        How can you motivate FAITH? He believes and does not need proof.
  28. +1
    13 June 2013 18: 57
    The article is unambiguously +, the point is how to manage it.
  29. -3
    13 June 2013 19: 07
    You should not blame everything on Khrushchev, most likely the costs of that time were caused by the consequences of the war and the need to further mobilize the economy for arms production. The preemptive strike of the Nazis was firmly imprinted in the minds of our leaders and explains the current policies and economic policies in the USSR and modern Russia. It is most interesting to compare the actions of the EU to destabilize and destroy the economy of the countries surrounding the European community and the actions of Hitler Germany to seize world domination. The methodology may be different, but the goal seems to be the same — the well-being of the minority (the West) due to the distress (armed capture or economic enslavement) of other countries under various pretexts.
  30. -9
    13 June 2013 19: 13
    "However, the USSR had a chance to start all over again. To lag behind in its plans for 15 years, but, having restored the country after the war, continue to strive for what was planned. However, a man named Khrushchev turned out to be worse than any war."
    This phrase at the end of the article .. It says a lot and hints .... In the Khrushchevs, the majority of the population lives .. And in the Caribbean crisis we won diplomatically .. and we conquered space and began to live in Slavs-leaders .. We don’t need more Stalin .. (they are not Russian .. and there is a lot of blood from them ..) just analyze ..
  31. +5
    13 June 2013 19: 13
    The statement about the involvement of the Zionists in the rise of A. Hitler to the top of power caused a lot of responses. Not just Jews, but Zionists, because the same David Abramovich Dragunsky ("I don't * er, I'm an old Stalinist tanker!" (C)) was on all the subtleties of these propelling vehicles ... in parallel, let's say, which the guards colonel of the armored forces proved during the war, as well as to the vast majority of other Jews.
    However, it’s stupid to deny (and even the Americans, having looked down, admit) that Hitler brought international capital to power. English-French-American. Do you seriously believe that the Jews did not in any way control the world financial system in the first half of the century (and now)? Do you consider the Barons of the Rothschilds WASP? I am truly sorry for that person ... but this is not being treated. This is a diagnosis.
    Further. A sea of ​​indignation over the role of Britain in unleashing the war. They have nothing to do with it? Do you seriously think so? Hmm ... In order not to describe in detail (a separate article will be needed), once again go over the superficial facts of the chain "liquidation of the Rhine demilitarized zone-Anschluss-Czechoslovakia-Poland". At least for those that lie on the surface. And Answer yourselves to the question: why did the Anglo-Franconians not crush him like a mosquito in '36 or '38. Moreover, they threatened the Czechs with war in '38. They allowed them to break the pshek. WHY?
  32. 0
    13 June 2013 19: 14
    Quote: seasoned
    Why write articles about an alternative story? The war with Hitler was inevitable and it is not known how the USSR would have fallen asleep if Hitler occupied England (I think it would have managed in 1-2 years), and then in 1943-44 it would have attacked the USSR, and then it would certainly be with Japan and 100% without land - Lisa would have gone. So we must live in the present, not forgetting about the past and thinking about the future, and not building alternative versions of the development of history hi

    so the USSR also did not sit idly by in 1-2 years of acupants and would have met differently
  33. skifo
    0
    13 June 2013 19: 20
    Anglo-Zionists and before (even under Tsarist Russia) poisoned us. For example, they tried to take away the Caucasus (Russian-Turkish war).
    I liked the article
  34. +1
    13 June 2013 19: 27
    Guys ...
    read yourself ...
    Not sick?
    ...
    I happen to write with a drunk ... who know me - they filter me right there ..
    and then what ??? - you all drunk, or what?
    Ah, business? .. zombies, in all its glory ...
    1. +1
      14 June 2013 08: 57
      And without a flight of thought. Specifically. What article like or dislike and what like / dislike. Or just so that to write something like smart, is it generally sober or what?
  35. pakfa-t-50
    0
    13 June 2013 19: 27
    During the war, a lot of people were killed, such a thing should not be screaming !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Only God knows how we would live !!!!!!!!!!!
  36. -3
    13 June 2013 19: 52
    Quote: Rattenfanger
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Stalin was a Caucasian

    "To me, as a Russian, these savage dances are alien!"(JV Stalin on the performance of the Georgian folk ensemble)
    Stalin even wrote "Russian" in the questionnaire, although there was Georgian, Ossetian and Abkhazian blood in him.
    It seems to me that he was Russian to a greater extent than many genetic Russians.


    The catastrophe in 41 is on his conscience .. There is simply such a thing as "Thunder will not break out, a man will not cross himself .."

    Motivate.

    First, surrounded by Stalin, there were a lot of Jews and then Georgians .. And a lot of blood .. I am not against Stalin as the country's leader, he did a lot for Russia .. but his soul was not Slavic ... Look at the Caucasus .. just ..
    1. +4
      13 June 2013 20: 01
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Surrounding Stalin, there were many Jews and then Georgians at first ..

      1) How many - in percentage terms - were Georgians and Jews surrounded by I.V. Stalin? L.P. Beria and L.M. Kaganovich. A Georgian and a Jew (not Zh_i_d_ya_r_a, but a Jew, I emphasize) The most talented and devoted people of the country. Who else?
      (how much blood? in liters? smile )
      2) So why is it still the 41st on the conscience of I.V. Stalin? Did he command the troops?
      1. +1
        13 June 2013 21: 26
        The greatest number of Jews was in Stalin's government in the 1936 year-9 man. And then Stalin had enough Jews.
        Colonel General Vannikov Boris Lvovich - People's Commissar of Armaments from 1939 to 1941, then People's Commissar of Ammunition in 1942-1946 After the war, Minister B.L. Vannikov led the work on the creation of the atomic bomb, being the chairman of the Government Committee No. 1.
        Ginzburg Semen Zakharovich - People's Commissar of the USSR in 1939-1946 During the war years, he directed the construction of defense and industrial facilities, the commissioning of evacuated enterprises, and the restoration of the national economy in the liberated areas.
        Kaganovich Lazar Moiseevich - member of the State. Defense Committee, chairman of the Transport Committee under the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR, People's Commissar of Railways in 1938-1942gg. and 1943-1944gg.
        Major General Zaltsman Isaac Moiseevich - People's Commissar of the Tank Industry of the USSR in 1941 - 1943. The creator and head of Tankograd, created in Chelyabinsk on the basis of the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant, the evacuated Kirov Machine-Building and Kharkov Tank Factories.
        Major General Viktor Zemierub Viktor Abramovich - Head of the Main Directorate of the People’s Commissariat for Ammunition. Lieutenant General Levin Mikhail Aronovich - Head of the Department of Motor Engineering and Fuel of the Aviation Industry. Major General Nosovsky Naum Emmanuilovich - Head of the Main Directorate of the People's Commissariat of Armaments. Major General Frankfurt Samuil Grigorievich - Head of the Main Directorate of the People's Commissariat for Ammunition. Semen Reznikov - deputy. People’s Commissar of Ferrous Metallurgy, and, at the same time, the director of the Nizhne-Tagil Metallurgical Plant, which during the war years supplied 30% of armor steel for tank plants of the country, etc.
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        2. Ratibor12
          +1
          13 June 2013 22: 25
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Stalin had enough Jews

          Well ... For completeness, add ... well, for example, the Mehlis!

          "... Mehlis jumped off the seat.
          - Hello, Comrade Stalin! Let me report to you.
          Stalin paused a little, for a moment he looked down the Mehlis and said with excitement in his voice:
          - Damn you!
          And then he entered the office, slamming the door behind him ... "

          Harm only from him alone is comparable with the benefits of the above. And in denunciations to Jews there are no equal. Otherwise, there would be Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians in these posts ...
          1. +1
            13 June 2013 23: 09
            In June 1941, he was again appointed head of the Main Political Administration and Deputy Commissar of Defense. Mehlis was awarded the rank of army commissar of 1 rank, which corresponded to the rank of army general. In 1942, he was the representative of the Headquarters of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief on the Crimean Front, where he constantly clashed with General Kozlov. . At the same time, in his reports to Stalin, he tried to distance himself from the failures that the Crimean Front suffered and to lay all responsibility on the front command. Stalin on this occasion sent a telegram to the Mehlis, in which he severely criticized him for such behavior.
            In 1942-1946 he was a member of the military councils of a number of armies and fronts, from December 6, 1942 - Lieutenant General, from July 29, 1944 - Colonel General.
            In 1946-1950 - Minister of State Control of the USSR. On October 27, 1950, he was dismissed for health reasons.
            In the post-war period, he headed the State Staff Commission at the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR. The size of the states, which individual departments could receive, largely depended on the Mehlis. Repeatedly conducted campaigns to reduce staff.
            After his death in February 1953, he was cremated, the ashes were placed in an urn in the Kremlin wall on Red Square in Moscow.
            Here is the real attitude to Mehlis, Comrade Stalin, and the fact that you wrote this is a filkin letter.
            1. Ratibor12
              +2
              14 June 2013 04: 30
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Here is the real attitude to Mehlis, Comrade Stalin, and the fact that you wrote this is a filkin letter.


              It is strange that, quoting Wikipedia, the opponent "accidentally" missed, for example, such a moment:
              According to the stories of the former Minister of Health of the USSR E.I. Smirnov, in 1949 he proposed to Stalin to put Mehlis (Minister of State Control) at the head of one of the government commissions. To this, Stalin "began to laugh, clutching his stomach and wiping away tears":
              - But is it possible to appoint Mehlis to creative affairs? Here is something to destroy, defeat, destroy - for this it is suitable.

              The war did not kill all the bad ones. Stalin's wisdom lies in the ability to benefit even from worthless people. The former mayor Stalin himself knew about some "usefulness" of informers. And Mekhlis is undoubtedly an outstanding informer!
        3. aleshka1987
          +1
          13 June 2013 22: 38
          There are Jews - the salt of the earth, the lights of the world, saints practically people, but there are ... well, in short - bad people (a more precise name is not welcomed by the moderator). Freedom to the fraternal Jewish people enslaved by Kagal, etc.
    2. +3
      14 June 2013 08: 59
      It's not about Slavs. Poles, for example, are also Slavs. And how much Bulgarians dirty Russia, the Slavs, but they got into NATO, and if anything, they, the Slavs, will tear us together with the Nuggosaxons. The fact is that there was a RUSSIAN man. Although the Georgians. If you understand me, of course.
      1. Kostya pedestrian
        +1
        14 June 2013 11: 12
        You look at the last football championship, it feels like the Poles have simply been replaced. I watched a video of Efimov’s speech at the FSB, as it said about all kinds of weapons, including genetic engineering.

        This is a good explanation, because television and radio are an ideal medium for zombies, how many bands do we recognize ?; as well as the use of psychology of influence in the formation of scenarios for series and television networks. It seems that it’s not possible or by chance - the editor is a very secret profession in the studios, for example, you google for different important people from the world of finance or politics, and you see how many r = a pour out on one without respect for the person or position, but on others (actually in r = eee) only the good. The grid is primarily a tool for planning goals, and computers / Internet - initially created a calculation system for artillery men.
  37. cartridge
    +5
    13 June 2013 19: 52
    ... the Stalinists "were still distinguished by their spaciousness and elegance. If this idea were realized, we would not have labyrinths of gray boxes of cramped faceless" Khrushchevs ", but well-thought-out neighborhoods (with squares or clubs in the center) of quite decent housing.


    A good example of this is Minsk. The quarters erected according to the Stalin canons of urban planning in the post-war years personally delight me every time I visit this wonderful city.
  38. fatty
    +3
    13 June 2013 19: 58
    Guys, this song was written by Igor Shaferan and Andrei Minkov. And it was performed by Valentina Tolkunova. If anyone listens, pay attention, you were older than you, and I would have been younger, my dear, if there had been no War. I in the sense that I’m old and stupid. well, of course, idiots have their own music. with uv. Mikhail. Dear youth.
  39. waisson
    +2
    13 June 2013 19: 58
    I think better than now China
  40. -3
    13 June 2013 20: 00
    If yes, if only. History has no subjunctive mood. If anything, if there hadn’t been a revolution, then the country would have developed without shocks and won the 1st World War, there would have been no children of orphans, and industry and villages. households would not have to be lifted again. But we can only take into account mistakes, and alas, we can’t correct the past, so let's wind up and not make mistakes, if possible. And we will save Russia from heavy shocks in the future.
  41. +1
    13 June 2013 20: 08
    Quote: AntonR7
    If yes, if only. History has no subjunctive mood. If anything, if there hadn’t been a revolution, then the country would have developed without shocks and won the 1st World War, there would have been no children of orphans, and industry and villages. households would not have to be lifted again. But we can only take into account mistakes, and alas, we can’t correct the past, so let's wind up and not make mistakes, if possible. And we will save Russia from heavy shocks in the future.

    I agree !! But alas, Russia without shocks .. it’s not Russia .. here we are .. just an analysis of our history we would have lived a hundred years without a war, alas, all unreason comes to us .. We must save the world .. as always ..
    1. +1
      13 June 2013 20: 14
      Ah, how pleasant and at the same time the burden of the rescuers of the world is heavy :)
  42. Algor73
    -10
    13 June 2013 20: 10
    Interesting approach. But the author clearly went overboard about Khrushchev. What kind of time bomb did he plant that exploded in the 80s? And what did he ditch? It was for Khrushchev (according to the stories of the parents) that agriculture developed at a rapid pace. The sausage was constantly getting cheaper, etc. There were kinks (corn), but at that time kinks were everywhere! But he developed rocket science and how! I am not an adherent of it, but I try to look at things objectively. And Stalin is painted well in bright colors. Yes, thanks to him, the country escaped from the backward agrarian (the author compared it with today's Ukraine - you might think it’s different in Russia - where is AZLK, for example?) Into a developed industrial one. But at what cost! Now you can talk while sitting at a computer, and in those days when there was really no food, clothes where he had no right to open his mouth, where they sent them to Siberia for three spikelets, then I would look at the author and his articles, wherever he was. And the Union collapsed not at all through the fact that someone once "laid a mine", we all destroyed it ourselves - remember how we worked - it seemed like we went to work, but worked carelessly; how everyone "drank" - they drove right and left both cement and brick, and the same bearing; what were the additions to the fulfillment of the plan, what quality was in our products. In principle, the quality is no better now. But then we are now free (only from whom?), We breathe the air of freedom (I don’t smell it for some reason), we say that we will think about it (but not about the authorities and not under the authorities), we eat what we see (only this is what see what we eat?). The article could be good, but it is not objective. She didn’t give her a minus, but she didn’t give it a plus. This is the view of the author. I expressed my opinion. Who will minus, indicate the disadvantages of the reasoning. I'm not afraid of cons, it's just that the topic is painfully sore, since I'm from the USSR
    1. Ratibor12
      +2
      13 June 2013 22: 33
      Quote: Algor73
      But the author clearly went over Khrushchev

      Quote: Algor73
      I expressed my opinion. Who will minus, indicate the shortcomings of reasoning.


      In place of a cruel, but, whatever one may say, wise leader, a cunning came, Lord forgive me! His impulsiveness and shortsightedness caused damage to the country.
    2. -2
      14 June 2013 09: 01
      Thanks to Stalin, she escaped from a backward agrarian country ?! Gee ?! And the fact that the factories and factories before the revolution was like the sea ?! Mines ?! yellow the road ?! No need to listen to komunyag who ascribe feats to themselves, everything that they achieved after the revolution is based on Ros. empire, not from scratch.
  43. -2
    13 June 2013 21: 03
    Quote: Rattenfanger
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Surrounding Stalin, there were many Jews and then Georgians at first ..

    1) How many - in percentage terms - were Georgians and Jews surrounded by I.V. Stalin? L.P. Beria and L.M. Kaganovich. A Georgian and a Jew (not Zh_i_d_ya_r_a, but a Jew, I emphasize) The most talented and devoted people of the country. Who else?
    (how much blood? in liters? smile )
    2) So why is it still the 41st on the conscience of I.V. Stalin? Did he command the troops?

    Come on .. really so nervous .. really .. I respect Stalin .. I raised the country to an unprecedented level in our history ... and what I liked Stalin felt the nation .. who betrayed and who not .. Well, like that .. And
    he shed a lot of blood .. Russian in particular .. Now you can also take the pose "We'll tear everyone apart" although they are not ready for war .. Now diplomats and special services must work and our military-industrial complex factories .. and that's all .. otherwise again the boys ) will have to be sent to the slaughter ...
  44. +10
    13 June 2013 21: 04
    The author writes real life in the USSR.
    All industrialization plans interrupted by the war.
    The science and technology created in the USSR under the skillful leadership of Stalin broke the head of the most powerful machine of German fascism.
    At a time when all Western democracies were kneeling before the Nazis.
    And American imperialism made money from the misfortunes of all warring.
    GLORY TO THE SOVIET PEOPLE WINNING FASCISM!
  45. Abakanets
    -9
    13 June 2013 21: 07
    Author drink poison.
    1. Ratibor12
      +1
      13 June 2013 22: 36
      Quote: Abakanets
      Author drink poison.


      Commentator drink a blizzard.
    2. -1
      13 June 2013 22: 42
      And you, sir, are not reasonable, right.
  46. +2
    13 June 2013 21: 26
    Quote: individ
    The author writes real life in the USSR.
    All industrialization plans interrupted by the war.
    The science and technology created in the USSR under the skillful leadership of Stalin broke the head of the most powerful machine of German fascism.
    At a time when all Western democracies were kneeling before the Nazis.
    And American imperialism made money from the misfortunes of all warring.
    GLORY TO THE SOVIET PEOPLE WINNING FASCISM!

    Well written .. !!! I agree ... Russia knows how to punish all evil spirits .. We see such a fate .. It is not in vain that they want to destroy us as a nation for what century .. Slavs will break through .. !!
  47. +6
    13 June 2013 21: 43
    Damn it, how is it? recourse
  48. 128mgb
    -2
    13 June 2013 22: 08
    My dad, I was a fool to call him Dad after the army and he was offended then I did not understand, I understood much later why. So he said: If yes, if only mushrooms had grown in your mouth. And my dad, 8th year of birth, has seen a lot.
  49. -1
    13 June 2013 22: 27
    Quote: Igarr
    Guys ...
    read yourself ...
    Not sick?
    ...
    I happen to write with a drunk ... who know me - they filter me right there ..
    and then what ??? - you all drunk, or what?
    Ah, business? .. zombies, in all its glory ...

    laughing Come on, it just happens sometimes ..
  50. -4
    13 June 2013 22: 38
    Stalin and Stalin .. Sakashvilli or Kadyrov’s whiskers we’ll stick and put in the Kremlin ... Enough if yes before .. worn off .. somehow .. Russia just needs to be loved !!! .. and not if so if ..
  51. reichsmarshal
    -4
    13 June 2013 22: 41
    No matter how the development of the USSR went without the war or after the war, the collapse of the USSR was inevitable. This is very sad, but true. Under Stalin, every peasant had a personal weapon, and many used it against the communist collectivizers, but most of the peasants SUPPORTED (again, with weapons in their hands) collectivization and dispossession. And ten years later, these weapons opened fire on the German bastards. Under Khrushchev, personal weapons began to be confiscated, and the protection of citizens' rights was entrusted to the cops. By the 80s, this process had reached its limit: the gold chasers in the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs received power comparable to the occupation, and the occupied and disarmed people did not need such a country. The collapse of the USSR became possible when no one cared about it.
    1. -1
      14 June 2013 14: 31
      The collapse of the USSR was truly inevitable, it was even predicted by A. Denikin in “Essays on the Russian Troubles” because the state was built on blood and had many problems such as the liquidation of private property and the establishment of national republics within the country, thereby creating the basis for extremism, a religion dealing with problems of morality and the Russian soul was replaced by the ideology of the new Soviet man.
      1. reichsmarshal
        0
        15 June 2013 10: 41
        Firstly, A.I. Denikin in his memoirs shamelessly lied “about the main thing”: that in Russia there was a Civil War between the Whites and the Reds. This myth was needed by both whites and reds for a number of reasons. In fact, 90% of the fighting of the Civil War was the war of the Reds against all sorts of bandits, nationalists and separatists of all colors and stripes. The white generals simply did not want to admit that it was they, and not the Bolsheviks, who found themselves in the position of “rebels.” But the Bolsheviks need the image of a single and integral enemy. Therefore, the confrontation between whites and reds is the backyard of the Civil War.
        Secondly, THERE IS NO MYSTERIOUS RUSSIAN SOUL! In fact! This is a myth created by the ENEMIES of the Russian people in order to impose a slave system on them. Russian people are no worse and no better than others. It’s just a fact of history that until 1917 we had such full-time power. If in Russia after the Citizenship there would have been the same order as in the USA, when every home had a weapon, we would live well, in a free country, and no one would remember this stupid fairy tale about the Russian soul.
  52. 0
    13 June 2013 22: 50
    Quote: 128mgb
    My dad, I was a fool to call him Dad after the army and he was offended then I did not understand, I understood much later why. So he said: If yes, if only mushrooms had grown in your mouth. And my dad, 8th year of birth, has seen a lot.

    I don’t understand why he liked “Dad”...???
  53. luka095
    +3
    13 June 2013 22: 53
    I feel kind of awkward. I read almost everything that was written, as it were, in the comments to the article. Colleagues, is it normal for squabbles among themselves, sometimes extremely incorrect, to be the norm on the site? Moreover, they often “throw out the baby with the bathwater.” Does the discussion of the article really have to be politicized and incorrect? I understand that the article does not evoke sympathy or, on the contrary, does evoke sympathy. Why not calmly analyze it, why do you need to label it? I would still like to understand different points of view on the subject of the article (and not only this one), and analyze the arguments. Don't read the squabble!
  54. Containers
    0
    13 June 2013 22: 59
    “At the same time, official unemployment was about 10% (1,2 million registered), and unofficially the figure was said to be an order of magnitude higher.”

    I am always pleased by people who write “on order” and do not know what it means.
    PS I mean that “an order of magnitude more”, in relation to 10% - 100%
    1. ded10041948
      0
      14 June 2013 08: 20
      In this case we are talking about absolute numbers, not percentages.
    2. 0
      14 June 2013 09: 03
      This means - in absolute numbers - not 1,2 million, but 12 million.
  55. +3
    13 June 2013 23: 13
    Even if there had been no war, a sharp improvement in the lives of citizens, in terms of everyday life, would not have happened, at least until 1947.
    We were preparing for war, our industry produced more weapons before the war than the Germans. As the author correctly writes, since 1939 we have switched to an 8-hour working day and a 6-day working week. At the same time, labor legislation was tightened; at a number of military enterprises, dismissal without permission from the administration was prohibited and criminal penalties were introduced for absenteeism and lateness to work. The country was preparing for war, so they lived poorly and devoted everything to defense. And the groundwork in industry was good, the factories were working. They could smoothly transition to producing more advanced products, which was planned in 1941 for both tanks and aircraft. In other words, the production base existed, it was streamlined and no longer required such colossal sums as during construction and launch.
    But the fact is that there was another military program that required enormous resources. I mean the plan of the Soviet leadership to build a LARGE OCEAN FLEET. According to this program, by 47 the USSR was supposed to have 15 Soviet Union-class battleships, 15 Kronstadt-class heavy cruisers, 28 light cruisers, 36 leaders, 144 destroyers, 336 submarines, 96 patrol ships, 115 submarine hunters, 204 minesweepers, 28 minelayers and 14 net minelayers, 6 monitors and gunboats, 348 torpedo boats. This is a lot of money, because the fleet is not only ships but also the corresponding infrastructure. But the Soviet economy would not have been able to simultaneously develop such large-scale projects in the army, navy and in the domestic sphere.
    1. +2
      14 June 2013 10: 34
      This was done in order to shorten the preparation time for war. I think that in 1942 this would have already been cancelled. After the creation of 30 mechanized corps, armed with new tanks and equipped with all the necessary auxiliary equipment.
      As for the Big Fleet program, we have to count it. The program was apparently divided into 2 five-year plans. So it’s not a fact that it was so overwhelming. Let me remind you, by the way, that the amers quite normally carried out the construction program of more than 30 attack aircraft during WWII, not counting Missouri-class battleships, Alaska-class battlecruisers and all sorts of other little things.
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  57. Skunk
    -3
    14 June 2013 00: 15
    The eye just rejoices for our patriots. It doesn’t matter what the article is about, but a good half of the discussion is about Jews. Toy marshals will squabble, denouncing each other for Zionism... After all, what is typical is that it is the same in life - patriots with communists, communists with real communists))), hitting each other on the bald heads, sharing future victories. And while this is happening, there is no need to fear the return of the communist bacchanalia, the USSR 2, 3, 4...
    Now about the article. Apparently the author is haunted by the laurels of “Simply Vasilich” and his alternative stories. But it’s not clear that when describing the devastation that reigned after the October revolution, the author for some reason immediately jumps to the beginning of creative construction under the leadership of Stalin. Where did the NEP go? After all, it was not Stalin who fed and clothed the country, but the NEP... Why delete such an important chapter from history?
    1. 0
      14 June 2013 09: 04
      Until the Jews got in. They were not even remembered. Like “remember him”...
  58. strange and pretty meaningless
    +2
    14 June 2013 03: 31
    However, a man named Khrushchev turned out to be worse than any war.
    Hmmm, if we judge by the results, then there’s more to come. Khrushchev, with all his corn (which also cannot be compared with the current extinction of villages), still raised a nuclear missile shield, albeit with excesses, astronautics, set up “Khrushchevkas” (poor little ones, but A LOT). I agree that in many ways it was the force of inertia after the Stalinist rise, which did not end under Brezhnev. But the subsequent ones... marked, fuck, then the deputy caretaker of Leningrad State University. And, of course, PLUSH GENIUS. Who are they in this situation?
  59. -4
    14 June 2013 05: 47
    Good article..Informative. However..What would have happened if the red-bellied communists and Jewish conspirators had not drowned the Russian Empire in blood? By the way, when I call the revolutionaries “Jewish conspirators”, bribed with German money, I am not exaggerating one bit, but simply calling a spade a spade. If this "public" had not staged such a terrible bloodbath" that destroyed the flower and support of the Russian state, what would have happened? This is not written in the five-year plans on the dusty shelves of the state storage facility. Millions of Russian families will not be able to forget and forgive the Stalinist regime. They have brought too much grief. these "figures" as a rule do not pronounce the letter "R" and have completely non-Russian surnames for some reason. None of the descendants of the repressed can be forgiven for this. There are probably millions of families like mine. And these terrible stories (personal stories of each family) are passed on for more than one generation. I wasn’t delighted with the article... I wasn’t delighted.
    1. Kostya pedestrian
      +1
      14 June 2013 10: 28
      Hitler would have given 3,14-Leys to the British in Africa, as they successfully did in 39-43 (by the way, the British do not pronounce “ER”), and the Japanese would have killed another couple of hundred million Chinese and Koreans, imposing their ferocious sakura laws, and perhaps the USA would rule. Although they are already in charge of you, where is your Codec, where is your famous auto industry, where is your good cinema, where is the world’s first TV AYuh2A, where is your patriotism. If you were respected at 50-70, then after Nixon’s instigator, you, like us after Khrushchev, began to slide into an appendage of old Europe occupied by the Japanese (and appendages, if they do not bring any benefit, are removed early or late as unnecessary).

      PieS: Today, the German auto market accounts for 35-39% of imports from Japan, and the United States is amusing itself with promiscuities like...

    2. 0
      14 June 2013 12: 31
      In this case, now there would be one of two things: the Third Reich would exist, or a world government would officially rule the earth
    3. reichsmarshal
      0
      14 June 2013 22: 13
      red-bellied communists, Jewish conspirators

      Yeah, yeah, and they are also terribly scary aliens who flew from a parallel dimension on the Tunguska meteorite. If the Bolsheviks were so terribly bad, why didn’t such good whites destroy them? Oh, well, yes, like they didn’t have enough strength - like the common people (those whom the monarchists called grey-legged) didn’t put the tsar’s head on the chopping block for their faith. Why did 2/3 (statistical data) of Russian officers go over to the Bolshevik side?
      And all because Russia has been swimming in blood since that very fucking day when it accepted the Jewish faith - Orthodoxy. And with it came the disintegration of Rus' into principalities, the Yoke (approved by both the princes and the Orthodox Church), serfdom, Troubles and mountains of corpses of our people (in uniform and without), who fell under the valiant command of all sorts of Suvorovs-Kutuzovs-Nakhimovs (overdue... everyone and everything) because of royal ambitions.
      Millions of families will not forgive the Bolsheviks for not cutting down all this white dirt and not rotting in the Gulag. More precisely, they did not allow us to deal with it on our own. If we, ordinary Russian people, had legal weapons (like in America), we would show you, the monarchists, Kuzkin’s mother. And we'll show you more!
  60. Kostya pedestrian
    +2
    14 June 2013 10: 21
    Stalin created a country where they lived for the country, i.e. for their own good, and were proud of the country, i.e. with your achievements.

    Anti-Soviet agitprop from all over Europe is a disguised desire of the “doves of peace” to keep Russians like bears on a chain for amusement and making money at our expense, and sometimes to hunt us.
    1. Egor.nic
      -1
      14 June 2013 11: 01
      There was no such thing, sir. You are deeply mistaken or misinformed. Apparently your ancestors didn’t have a hard time.....
      A similar article can be created on the topic of how they would have lived in Russia if the bloody Bolshevik coup had not happened in 1917 (which subsequently claimed tens of millions of lives, destroyed the industry and agriculture of the country, destroyed not only the classes of society, the culture of the family and the state, but also the very concept of man , honor, state. The newly created state destroyed everything that was best, to the ground, and could not create anything on its own... And great construction projects, yes they existed, but they were paid for in gold, and each construction site was a mass grave for dozens thousands of people, and these miracles were created by specialists hired abroad. Sadly, they killed or lost their own... And the people for those government leaders were consumables to achieve their “great" goal. A million more - a million less... ..)
  61. +3
    14 June 2013 10: 23
    The article is a big plus, however. Recently, much has been revealed about Comrade Stalin that was not known even under the USSR. What is it for? “Order of the Kremlin” or “freedom of speech”? But it makes me happy.
    But I would like to say a few words, no, not in defense of Khrushchev. But only to explain his outrages. When they say that Khrushchev is the forerunner of Gorbachev, I’m sorry, but I don’t agree. The hunchbacked bastard was deliberately ruining Russia, which he is now openly talking about. Khrushchev was simply a rather stupid theorist. And on top of that he’s also a party official and a master of intrigue. And this is his and our tragedy.
    As a matter of fact, if Khrushchev had been the same traitor as Gorby, the USSR would have been destroyed much earlier. The country was on the rise, but it had not yet taken off, drawn to the ground by the “echo of war.” Therefore, it would be no more difficult to destroy it than it was for Gorbachev. Which took no more than 5 years for this. Then why did Khrushchev curtail Stalin's plans? Yes, because he had read a lot of communist theorists and Stalin for him was a kind of relic of capitalism, a compromiser who moved away from Lenin’s ideas about building communism. Khrushchev was generally a gullible fool. Suffice it to remember how he destroyed artillery ships in exchange for missile ships. Meanwhile, during the Falklands War, the British were not as afraid of the Argentine aircraft carrier as they were of the ancient artillery but armored cruiser General Belgrano. Which could tear the entire Royal Navy into the British flag, and English missiles would not be able to penetrate its ancient armor. That's how it is with Stalin's artels. They did not invest in the theory of socialism. And it's not just Stalin. Efremov has the term “ant pseudo-socialism” with the addition of “Chinese”. Everything that did not correspond to the basics of Marxist theory was all false, and so the Chinese got it, although history has shown who was right. Another important point to consider is the fact that for Khrushchev people were cogs of the socialist machine. And he took care of their needs second or third. Unlike Stalin (remember “Calm down, you fool”).
  62. +3
    14 June 2013 10: 24
    And lastly, I think that this could not have happened without our overseas “partners”. If we remember, the beginning of Khrushchev’s reign was the time of the “Khrushchev Thaw” - when not only within the Union, but also outside it, an idyllic picture of warming relations between the USSR and the West seemed to be taking shape. Well, the bloody tyrant is dead, he has been condemned. The USSR joined the global family of nations (and what is a family without a freak, of course). Khrushchev travels to the USA and establishes contacts. Doesn't remind you of anything? But it reminds me a lot, only the red button, iPhone and hamburger are missing. My opinion is that the West helped Khrushchev come to power so that he would slow down the run-up of the Stalinist Union, which could soon leave Western capitalists without pants. And at first everything went well. Khrushchev destroyed the Stalinist private sector, which, as shown in the article, provided most of the products through consumer goods. And immediately the people began to live worse. Because large state-owned industries could not keep up with demand. Plus the inevitable mistakes in planning. Well, to create a public sector for the production of consumer goods, many industrial programs that were planned under Stalin were curtailed. And they were able to return to them only after losing ten years. Naturally, theoretically, the concentration of all means of production in the hands of the state gives high rates of development. But... only in the future. Khrushchev did not take this into account. Or rather, he didn't care about it. Don't care about people. By the year 2000 you will be living under communism. In the meantime, you'll have to be patient. They don't ask you.
    What happened next? And then, in the foreign policy arena, Khrushchev saw that his Western “partners” were abandoning him. And he was very offended by them for this. As a result, the Cuban Missile Crisis arose, for which neither the Western elites nor their own people forgave him. The economy was doing better. The USSR gradually gained momentum again. And under Khrushchev’s followers, he reduced the gap from the West in terms of the quality of life of citizens. But they did not have time to catch up with the West. And the West took full advantage of this moment for the victory of its propaganda. Unfortunately, Khrushchev’s mistake in the economic field turned out to be much worse than his mistakes in the military field.
  63. Egor.nic
    -1
    14 June 2013 10: 47
    Author, you are a great inventor. You should write science fiction novels. Surely it would be a success. wink
    1. +2
      14 June 2013 11: 40
      If this is for me, then I also do this in my free time. But, nevertheless, criticism should be specific, and not sweeping.
  64. moldova
    +1
    14 June 2013 10: 57
    Jews are not students but teachers and ideological inspirers of Mr. Adolf
  65. Dawn
    +4
    14 June 2013 10: 58
    “But Stalin’s idea was more ambitious. It was planned to promote the development of production cooperation in every possible way: to help it with premises and production equipment, purchases of raw materials and sales of finished products. In fact, the responsibility of fully satisfying the demand for entire groups of goods should have been transferred to the shoulders of the cooperation mass consumption. Instead of, for example, building a garment factory, it was planned to build another weaving factory, and sell its products to cooperators, who would already sculpt fashionable backgammon from state chintz and cloth for citizens. There is less concern for the state, profit for the artel workers, and joy for the citizens. . Everyone is happy" - a very competent policy, Stalin was still a genius, but now the oligarchs have grabbed all the resources, and the country is generally in trouble.
  66. lexe
    +1
    14 June 2013 11: 34
    Stalin prepared in Russia what we now see in China. Is there communism in China now? More likely, state capitalism. Moreover, taking into account our size and resources, there would be a society with the most advanced technological consumption and a high standard of living. The Chinese went through a bloody path on the way to their miracle ...There was no other way, having a lag in everything. But Stalin had the resource of the people - thinned out, but still numerous and strong. We don’t have such a resource now. So it turns out that communism is a hard path to capitalist socialism. But they cling to the path and not seeing the goal of the path is the mistake of many Stalinists.
    What would the Tsar and I have had? I already wrote in another article about the straits that Russia lost in 1917. 1917 - This is the starting point of the Russian Renaissance. What did the Renaissance in Europe in the Middle Ages give to the world? - EVERYTHING! A BREAKTHROUGH IN ALL BRANCHES OF HUMAN LIFE ACTIVITIES! The Russians did not appear LEONARDO in the end... Who lost from this? - THE WORLD as a whole. They ruined this powerful Russian energy, well, they were just scared. And who ruined it? Supporters of human progress. Paradox...
    But it was not about the progressive development of progress, but its explosion! The world would have advanced in its development for centuries ahead and not for decades. Progress is made by individual geniuses and not by millions of excellent students trained at their desks.
    The West has always been accustomed to teaching, but has stopped learning. But the West should have looked at the Russian miracle from the outside and envyed you, you see... and there wouldn’t be a void in Western societies now. I think the tsar, having overwhelming power, would not have executed the West in the end laughing Well, of course, we would have suffered like we did in the Middle Ages, looking with our mouths open at the achievements of the Europeans. Maybe they eventually got their own Peter 1, a passionary laughing .But first it was necessary to drink the cup to the bottom...
    Here are 2 development options (which we successfully...). Excellent and...
    I didn't find the right word!
    Is it possible to bring back the Russian Renaissance? But there is no other way... and not only we Russians should understand this. It’s stupid to start with 10 children in families, otherwise there’s no way to live in barracks... I think the world will tense up and cope with such expenses laughing The West will still have to correct its mistakes! Pay the bills too; we need to help the West choose the correct form of payment. Otherwise, the collector (Strategic Missile Forces) will come with a nuclear club and put an end to human civilization.
    Still, I am for the Renaissance (a person should hope for a miracle of progress). Living in such a time is the ultimate dream. And watching how one iPhone after another is invented is really boring laughing
  67. gura
    -7
    14 June 2013 12: 32
    From Minsk. You, brothers Slavs, are sick of you with your caveman anti-Semitism! You might think that under every bush, from Smolensk to Sakhalin, there sits an evil Jew, interfering with your happy life. True, now they have found new secret, powerful enemies - pederasts! Now these united enemies will be completely at ease! And the Unified State Exam was sold for 13 pieces of silver (this is their last crime against God-fearing, ethical Russians), which includes theft, drunkenness, corruption, drug addiction, etc. etc. (a huge list) brought by the State Department and Mossad! It would be funny if it weren't so sad. The descendants of commissars are always surrounded by enemies! How else can we fool the people into sitting and praying to the Kremlin, which saves them from “circumcision”! But the article is really about nothing. History does not know the subjunctive mood. I only agree with Khrushchev’s characterization, he is truly a bastard from Stalin’s entourage. And further. Don't be offended, but the worst enemy of the Russians is themselves, with their "chimeras".
    1. Ratibor12
      +1
      14 June 2013 15: 38
      Quote: gura
      brothers Slavs... caveman anti-Semitism... evil Jew... the most powerful... pederasts... theft, drunkenness, corruption, drug addiction, State Department and Mossad... Descendants of commissars... "circumcision"... Stalin's bastard surroundings...


      Phew... Well, a rebuke. Soft-boiled boots! Well, what should I say to you, “brother Slav”? Gura-fool-pederast - he will sell his homeland to the Jews... tongue
  68. +2
    14 June 2013 13: 23
    It seems like not much, however, this is a plan for only one of the car plants. And there was also GAZ, which he planned to launch in 1941-42. production of four models of passenger cars at once: two small cars and two middle-class cars with a total circulation of half a million units per year.

    Rezun would have said: “Well? I told you, Stalin was preparing for war! So that he would have something to drive on European autobahns!” laughing
  69. +1
    14 June 2013 15: 19
    and Now why not develop cooperation? Or the laws cannot be changed?
    1. +1
      14 June 2013 15: 41
      In addition to cooperation, there was also a planned economy and large enterprises under state ownership. But we have a market economy. and the enterprises of the oligarchs can only be torn out with blood from the throat.
  70. psdf
    +1
    14 June 2013 19: 18
    Quote: atalef
    Unlike you, I never downplayed the loss of either of those. And the presence of Slavs, Gypsies, and any other peoples who died (destroyed) by the Nazis does not reduce or increase the tragedy of the Jews.
    You are trying to hush up the extermination of Jews by the fact that Belarusians. Russian-also destroyed (although your friend Athlone seems to be Hitler ready to write to friends)
    I say that fascism is monstrous and every nation has its own tragedy and a Jew who is destroyed as a child is no more valuable than a Belarusian child. Ukrainian or gypsy.
    Fascism is terrible, Hitler is a monster and executioner. And there is nothing for him to justify and catch him as friends and allies. Remember your innocently destroyed, we remember ours. only the common base of these victims — Hitler and Nazism — cannot be forgotten.

    By using the term Holocaust, you demonstrate that you stand on the position of extreme Jewish nationalism, which refuses to acknowledge the losses of other peoples in the Second World War.
    “Boris Abramych, you either put on panties or take off your cross” (c) joke
  71. Yuriy_K
    -3
    14 June 2013 20: 03
    If Stalin and the USSR had not managed to provoke a “treacherous attack” and unleash a huge massacre, then the USSR would have come to an end. This is an established Russian algorithm - provoking wars and famines for the sake of rebuilding the people. In Russian wars, the people always lose, but the System wins - http://baro-shiro.livejournal.com/1242.html
    1. 0
      15 June 2013 03: 06
      Wouldn’t it be nice to have specific ways in which the USSR “provoked” the treacherous attack? And also Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, Holland, Greece, Yugoslavia.
      Otherwise, it turns out like that sexual maniac, that the victims themselves provoked the rape.
  72. Yuriy_K
    -3
    14 June 2013 20: 04
    If Stalin and the USSR had not managed to provoke a “treacherous attack” and unleash a huge massacre, then the USSR would have come to an end. This is an established Russian algorithm - provoking wars and famines for the sake of rebuilding the people. In Russian wars, the people always lose, but the System wins - http://baro-shiro.livejournal.com/1242.html
    1. 0
      15 June 2013 03: 27
      Quote from a link like "affatr, kill yourself up the wall."
      On Stalin’s part, the “treacherous attack” was due to a criminal-style provocation, because Stalin was a famous Tiflis-Baku raider, and there are no former security officers, just like former security officers, and they live by provocations, setups, and deceptions. The provocation of Hitler's attack included two sides:
      1. Create a cheap imitation of your own preparation for an offensive war. Let's say, a phrase book (which was caught not only by German intelligence, but also, for example, by such an “alternative” historian as Viktor Suvorov), which includes words like “where is your burgomaster?” (there were no burgomasters on the territory of the USSR). Or also the total training of paratroopers, unnecessary in a defensive war...
      2. Create a demonstrative “window” along the border - a glove compartment, sloppiness, lack of combat readiness of the borders, so that this reaches the German command.


      Well, I said that “the victim provoked it herself.” Because she was weak, and even wanted it herself. Everything is clear with the author, as well as with the one who cited this pearl as an example."

      But, normal people still need to look at these arguments so that when a rapist is tried, the judge or jury must understand his logic.
      So, provoking an attack. Some kind of “burgomaster in a phrasebook” is cited. Is the author aware that the Red Army intended to fight the enemy “on foreign territory and with little loss of life”? Moreover, I note, it is obligatory during the invasion and the transition to a counteroffensive. This is the simplest explanation. Well, except for the fact that one person wins the war. And it would probably be strange for the leadership of the Red Army to give up right away. And if not, then there was a “chance” to end up on enemy territory during the fighting, where they could look for “burgomasters”.
      Well, the “mess” is not at the border, but in the head of the author. And at the border there was rearmament and reorganization of units in new states. Untimely, of course, but it doesn’t look like a mess.
  73. gura
    -2
    15 June 2013 01: 02
    From Minsk. You, brothers Slavs, are sick of you with your caveman anti-Semitism! You might think that under every bush, from Smolensk to Sakhalin, there sits an evil Jew, interfering with your happy life. True, now they have found new secret, powerful enemies - pederasts! Now these united enemies will be completely at ease! And the Unified State Exam was sold for 13 pieces of silver (this is their last crime against God-fearing, ethical Russians), which includes theft, drunkenness, corruption, drug addiction, etc. etc. (a huge list) brought by the State Department and Mossad! It would be funny if it weren't so sad. The descendants of commissars are always surrounded by enemies! How else can we cloud the brains of the people so that they would sit and pray to the Kremlin, which saves them from the damned liberals and homosexuals who are destroying the “spiritual bonds”. But the article is really about nothing. History does not know the subjunctive mood. I only agree with the characterization of Khrushchev, indeed, the “bastard” of Stalin’s entourage. And further. Don't be offended, but the worst enemy of the Russians is themselves, with their far-fetched "chimeras".
    1. 0
      15 June 2013 03: 48
      You see, Jews don’t have to sit “behind every bush from Smolensk to Sakhalin (although, for that matter, then from Kaliningrad to Anadyr). It is enough for them to have a strong lobby in the leadership of Western countries, which periodically put a spoke in Russia’s wheels.
  74. +1
    19 March 2017 20: 31
    Did the author himself live in a barge, communal apartment, or dugout after the war? When a “Khrushchev” with a separate toilet and bath, even combined, with hot water, and its own kitchen, was happiness. And when Khrushchev proposed making the ceilings 10 centimeters lower so that as many people as possible could be housed from the post-war dugouts of cities destroyed during the War by the saved 10 centimeters? Is this also villainy?
    1. +1
      23 May 2017 08: 21
      I absolutely agree with you ...
      I will also add that lowering the ceilings to 2,5 m significantly reduces heating costs. I work in heating myself and I know very well that with ceilings of 3 meters or more, achieving thermal comfort is harder and more expensive, the laws of physics are unchanged...
      And according to the article ...
      Indeed, if there had been no war...
      I hope we have been vaccinated against the “brotherly” attitude and advances of the West.
      And one more section is of interest...
      What would have happened if Putin had come after Stalin, bypassing Khrushchev, Gorbi, etc. and other Chubais and others like them?
      1. 0
        21 September 2017 12: 51
        If I had remained a communist-Stalinist, great! Like Deng Xiaoping.
    2. 0
      6 September 2017 10: 05
      Now “Khrushchev” compared to the modern “studios” of Medvedev is the height of comfort and respectability!
    3. 0
      21 September 2017 12: 49
      What wickedness! Look at the statistics on housing delivery in 1946-70. You will immediately see the failure since the late 50s! This is just Khrushchev! Khrushchev destroyed the local construction industry. They built quickly and efficiently. Six months later in 1957, we moved into a three-story building for free, the residents helped the builders build. And construction plants were created from scratch slowly and mainly in Moscow. There is nothing to say about durability...
  75. 0
    6 September 2017 09: 55
    YARY, And this is banal envy and a bad habit of counting other people’s money!!!
  76. 0
    6 September 2017 10: 03
    Then let us also remember that by 1947, most likely not America but Germany would have created a nuclear bomb and then no one would have stopped Adik! So, perhaps, from the scenario for the development of civilization, God chose a less lethal one for the Planet.