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"The samurai decided that night ..." Japan recreates a full-fledged army

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"The samurai decided that night ..." Japan recreates a full-fledged army

The National Defense Council of the ruling party of Japan approved a draft reform of the armed forces, which aims to recreate a full-fledged army and fleet. The ruling Liberal Democratic Party of Japan (LDPJ) proposes to carry out a large-scale reorganization of the armed forces, create a marine corps, increase the power of the air defense and missile defense systems, equip the army and navy with more effective offensive weapons, which will allow them to strike at bases of potential opponents. The National Defense Council approved the plan on May 30. The Japanese Self-Defense Forces, formed in 1954 from the National Security Forces created two years earlier, should be renamed the National Defense Army.


During the month, the document prepared by the LDPI will be reviewed by the government and it appears that there will be no serious objections. The proposal for a radical reform of the Armed Forces was prepared by ex-defense ministers Shigeru Ishiba and Gen Nakatani, members of the Liberal Democratic Party. Proponents of the reform are confident that the restrictions established by the 1947 Constitution of the year, where the 9-i article proclaims the “voluntary” refusal of the Japanese state from war and the threat of force as a means of solving political conflicts, limiting the development of ground forces, air force and navy, are hopelessly outdated. And despite the fact that Japan ranks 6-e place in the world for military spending, second only to the United States, Britain, China, Russia and France (in 2012, the Japanese military budget was equal to 56,9 billion dollars). At the same time, Japan cannot buy and produce clearly offensive weapons, such as strategic bombers and long-range cruise missiles. LDPY members are confident that the time has come to create a full-fledged armed forces. The air force should be able to strike at military bases located in the territory of the opponents; it is proposed to create a marine corps to protect island territories; The rapid reaction forces should be equipped with American amphibians AAV7 and amphibious transport convertiplanes V-22 OSPREY.

It should be noted that even the current "Self-Defense Forces" of Japan are very modern and efficient aircraft in the Asia-Pacific region. Japanese troops occupy one of the first places in the world in the equipment of the latest weapons. In 2009 and 2011 the fleet was introduced two squadron-destroyer-helicopter carrier type "Hyuga" with a total displacement of 18 thousand tons. In fact, these are light aircraft carriers with a solid flight deck. Aircraft with a vertical and short take-off and landing type AV-8B "Harrier II" and F-35 "Lightning II" can be based on the ship. In addition, it is possible to modernize ships, equip them with a bow springboard to increase the combat load of the aircraft. There are plans to build two more “helicopter carriers” on an improved project. Japan is negotiating the purchase of the latest American fighter-bombers of the 5 generation F-35, and at the same time is thinking of developing its own newest fighter.

The main reasons for this step

- The main reason is a systemic planetary crisis, which violates the existing system of relations and leads to the return of the system when there are several competing centers of power of global and regional importance on the planet. The bipolar system collapsed during the rule of Gorbachev and the collapse of the USSR. The United States attempted to build an American world order, but by its actions only completely broke the balance. As a result, the world returns to a time when great powers will create their own sphere of influence. The planet is already shaken by war and revolution. There is a latent and obvious struggle for control over the Black Continent, the Arctic, Antarctica, sea and ocean wealth, and the resources of the Middle East. The eyes of predators are turned to a weakened Russia.

Therefore, Japan will uncontrollably go to regaining its status as a regional center of power and with claims of leadership in the Asia-Pacific region. For this, she has a good foundation. A strong economy, before 2011, Japan was the second economy of the world (China pressed it from second place), taking this place from 1968 of the year. Good opportunities in the field of the Military-industrial complex, in particular, Japan is one of the world leaders in the field of shipbuilding. A developed nuclear industry makes it possible, with political will, to become the owner of a nuclear weapons. And as a means of delivery, the Japanese armed forces will be able to use slightly modified space rockets.

- Economic prerequisite. The entire period of the 1990-s and 2000-s in Japan is referred to as lost decades or lost years. And Japan faces a new “lost decade.” The full development of the military-industrial complex, the growth of military spending can give impetus to the development of the economy.

- The rise of nationalism in Japan. The latest territorial disputes between Japan and China, Russia and Korea, as well as scandals related to the reluctance of the Japanese elite to recognize the war crimes of World War II, indicate the constant growth of nationalist sentiments in Japanese society. At present, according to opinion polls, over 40% of the Japanese support the rejection of the "Peace Constitution". Most recent Japanese historical films, talking about the past, support the idea of ​​a "strong power".

- The growth of external threats, mainly from China. Japan can not ignore the awakened giant at its borders. China pushed Japan from second place in the economic sphere, catching up with the United States, rapidly increasing the capabilities of its armed forces, the strike potential of the Navy and the Air Force. Beijing is increasingly raising a territorial dispute over the Senkaku Islands (in Chinese, Diaoyu). Things reached the point that the Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi, speaking at a session of the UN General Assembly, accused the Japanese state of stealing the Senkaku Islands from China and unwillingness to return them. This accusation was repeated by Premier Lee Keqiang. In the area of ​​the islands, demonstrations of the Chinese Navy began to take place regularly.

After the Japanese government showed intransigence in the territorial dispute, expressing its readiness to resolutely defend the islands and the sea space adjacent to them, China has so far begun to make more serious claims through unofficial channels. In particular, the well-known Chinese expert on military issues, General Liu Yuan, did not rule out that the parties would have to prepare for a real war. The road to negotiations was closed: “It remains for us to prepare for battle. If it comes to a fight, we are not afraid, we only warn Japan: we shouldn’t turn the Sino-Japanese relations needed by both countries into relations on the field of bloody battles. ” He also said that the Ryukyu archipelago, the largest island of which is Okinawa, paid tribute to the Chinese Empire from the 14 century, that is, half a millennium before these territories became Japanese. The demand to return Okinawa to China was also supported by two prominent Chinese historians, Zhang Heipeng and Li Guoqiang.

Thus, the political, informational pressure of China on Japan is constantly increasing. There are already elements of military pressure - Chinese ships patrol the area of ​​disputed territories. It is impossible not to draw attention to the fact that in Chinese historical, or films affecting historical themes, there are two main enemies - “white barbarians” and Japanese invaders. In China, form the image of an external enemy.

The interests of the United States, part of the global world "elite". The United States needs a chain of local and regional conflicts to emerge dry or with minimal losses from the current crisis. The most promising "fronts" are the Middle East and Pacific. And in the Middle East and the Pacific, you can "play" someone else's hands. In the Middle East, the role of the “collective Hitler” (Reich) must be played by Islamic, Arab countries. And in the Pacific Ocean, China plays the role of a game; it is surrounded by it with the help of Japan and Vietnam. Philippines, Australia, India and other neighboring powers. In the interests of the United States to strengthen Japan militarily. In addition, another hotbed of tension is being created near the borders of Russia, which is also in the interests of the United States.

Russia, given the growing tensions in the Asia-Pacific region, should pay more attention to the modernization and replenishment of the Pacific Fleet, and the strengthening of the Air Force, air defense, air defense and ground forces in the east.
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  1. MG42
    MG42 14 June 2013 08: 15
    +4
    Everyone is armed, including Japan, the Japanese quality is known, you can see >>
    Japanese Military 2013
    1. chaushevski
      chaushevski 14 June 2013 12: 48
      -2
      I suggest the Japanese do battle robots)))
  2. timhelmet
    timhelmet 14 June 2013 08: 17
    24
    Hde amerikokosy ???
    Sanctions must be introduced !!!
    Economic, political sanctions (Magnitsky-san samurai list), a revolution is needed more than ever !!!!
    Japan is completely insolent! They have already begun to produce chemical, biological, nuclear, space, kitchen, hot and cold weapons!
    And the level of the absence of same-sex marriage and the presence of Muslims is finally none.
    Polundra!
    1. Orty
      Orty 14 June 2013 09: 23
      +4
      How doused from the shower! Reached the damned Stalin! smile
  3. alex67
    alex67 14 June 2013 08: 34
    10
    COURSE FOR RESTORATION OF A FULL-FULL ARMY TAKEN ALSO IN 2008, A
    NOW TRYING THIS BUSINESS TO LAW OUT ... winked
    1. Batman
      Batman 15 June 2013 01: 07
      0
      I don’t understand how the country could forgive the bombing of cities with atomic bombs ?! And do these samurai still serve the whims of the Americans?
      1. Nuar
        Nuar 15 June 2013 10: 37
        0
        Quote: Batman
        I don’t understand how the country could forgive the bombing of cities with atomic bombs ?!
        one third of Japanese schoolchildren are sure that the USSR conducted a nuclear bombing

        Quote: Batman
        And do these samurai still serve the whims of the Americans?
        samurai were killed back in the era of the Meiji restoration (and by the way, the samurai were supported by the United States, although if you believe the film "Samurai" - it seems like the opposite lol )
  4. Dima190579
    Dima190579 14 June 2013 08: 38
    +5
    The faster the T-50 arrives in combat units, the calmer I will feel.
    1. karate
      karate 14 June 2013 10: 45
      +5
      As they say, the cat wept, there’s no one to disrupt the combat units on your tanks. The KTOF commander asked Taburetkin for new ships, he answered him: well, we will give you new ships, and who will serve on them?
      1. Sour
        Sour 14 June 2013 17: 20
        0
        By the way, right. At least accept guest workers as France. This is problem.
  5. True
    True 14 June 2013 08: 59
    -1
    I don’t see anything unusual here. Italy and Germany have long had full-fledged armies. For us, this changes almost nothing.
    1. Orty
      Orty 14 June 2013 09: 21
      +3
      A full-fledged army in Germany? Are you joking? 20 years ago they had a full-fledged army, but after the last cuts, the stub that they were left unable to not only carry out a large offensive operation similar to those that were in WWII, but also to protect the country from a strong enemy. If we suddenly attack Germany tomorrow, we will take Berlin in a week and there will be nothing to stop us. Japas, on the contrary, in contrast to the Federal Republic of Germany, are increasing their military power as they can, but they are not afraid of this, you are right, for me they are more confronted by the growing military power of China than they are preparing for aggression. However, the option is not ruled out that the United States is preparing in the future, or at least have plans to attack China, and here a full-fledged Japanese army will come in handy. Not all by themselves under the bullets and shells climb! In general, cannon fodder is at the forefront of world democracy.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 14: 21
        +2
        Orty, I agree. I was somehow impressed when I stupidly compared the German and Kazakh air forces on Wikipedia. It turns out that we are not particularly inferior to the Germans. Although it would seem a rich 80 millionth Germany and 17 millionth Kazakhstan. And when he began to compare the number of tanks (including those in reserve), he generally realized that Kazakh tankers would iron all over Germany several times. And even the whole of continental Europe, if we assume that the war will be purely tank.
        And it is profitable for the Americans to strengthen Japan. At least to China, at least to Russia direct it. However, strengthening of Japan is also beneficial for Russia, as Japan is a less likely opponent than China.
      2. Akim
        Akim 14 June 2013 14: 48
        +3
        Quote: Orty
        and. If we suddenly attack Germany tomorrow, we will take Berlin in a week and there will be nothing to stop us.

        Somewhere like that I already read ... Ah. yes in old pre-war books.
        1. Orty
          Orty 14 June 2013 16: 05
          +2
          But besides this there are arguments? Well, there are the number of tanks, planes, artillery, the total number of personnel? Or again tighten your song about the fact that the number is not the main thing? There is something to argue, go ahead, only with arguments please.
          1. Akim
            Akim 14 June 2013 16: 49
            0
            Quote: Orty
            There is something to argue, go ahead, only with arguments please.

            I will not mind, but I would like to remind you that Hitler and his allies had about 4 thousand tanks against our 20 000. It is wrong to measure with numbers. Moreover, there are no sudden wars and Germany has many allies.
            1. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 18: 16
              0
              only not all of these tanks were westbound, and most turned out to be equipment that broke. I am not a fan of Rezun, but the bulk of the Soviet tanks were not a fountain, even in terms of reliability. it is better to have a weak German tank, which rides and shoots from its little gun, than a Soviet tank, which was unrepairable in combat conditions (given the poor technical training of tankers). How many thousands of tanks did the Red Army abandon for technical reasons? I think you must agree that our modern tanks can’t even be compared closely with pre-war tanks in this regard.

              And who is Germany a standing ally? USA? Well, then we can say that the Estonian army is equally powerful as the Russian army ...
              1. Ducksar
                Ducksar 14 June 2013 20: 47
                0
                Yes, you contradict yourself. First, say that the Kazakh army will iron Germany because there are more tanks (without mentioning what you have and what kind of equipment they have) .. and in the next comment you say that it’s better to have less, but better quality fellow
            2. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 18: 19
              -1
              only not all of these tanks were westbound, and most turned out to be equipment that broke. I am not a fan of Rezun, but the bulk of the Soviet tanks were not a fountain, even in terms of reliability. it is better to have a weak German tank, which rides and shoots from its little gun, than a Soviet tank, which was unrepairable in combat conditions (given the poor technical training of tankers). How many thousands of tanks did the Red Army abandon for technical reasons? I think you must agree that our modern tanks can’t even be compared closely with pre-war tanks in this regard.

              And who is Germany a standing ally? USA? Well, then we can say that the Estonian army is equally powerful as the Russian army ...
            3. Orty
              Orty 14 June 2013 20: 47
              +1
              You will forgive one situation, which is formed as an exception, as a rule, as a rule, besides, most of those tanks were obsolete bt and t-26. Then you know there was a unique situation in the formation of tank troops as a species, hence some excesses in the number of tank fleets. Nevertheless, the Germans created an overwhelming numerical superiority of 2-3-4 times in the directions of the main attack. Those. the numbers in the eyes of their generals mattered, just as the Yankees in each of their campaigns create an overwhelming advantage at least in the Air Force.
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 14 June 2013 17: 07
            +2
            Quote: Orty
            But besides this there are arguments? Well, there are the number of tanks, planes, artillery, the total number of personnel? Or again tighten your song about the fact that the number is not the main thing? There is something to argue, go ahead, only with arguments please.

            You don’t understand, the modern army goes into battle with iPhones to the advantage and shoots exclusively with laptops, and if you shoot shells, it means the army is outdated.
    2. does it
      does it 14 June 2013 14: 20
      0
      Quote: True
      I don’t see anything unusual here. Italy and Germany have long had full-fledged armies.

      Italy, a full-fledged army, do not tell!
      1. Akim
        Akim 14 June 2013 14: 54
        +1
        Quote: kvirit
        Italy, a full-fledged army, do not tell!

        Excuse me, what is wrong with the Italian army?
        1. Orty
          Orty 14 June 2013 16: 10
          +1
          Yes, even open and read the article on the wiki, even according to these data it is clear what is wrong there.
          1. Akim
            Akim 14 June 2013 16: 51
            -1
            Quote: Orty
            Yes, at least open a wiki article and read

            Even if I open the Russian version of Vicki, I still don’t understand why it is bad?
      2. True
        True 14 June 2013 17: 45
        -1
        Italy, for example, has TWO aircraft carriers. One truncated, one full.
        1. Orty
          Orty 14 June 2013 20: 40
          +1
          AND? On one there are 16 fighters on the other 8, plus helicopters, the sense of them, if only not to fight with the Papuans. One Kuznets can push more planes than both of them, besides not VTOL aircraft as their Harriers, but much more advanced Mig-29Ks.
          1. Akim
            Akim 14 June 2013 21: 06
            0
            Quote: Orty
            You can push more planes onto one Blacksmith than both of them,

            Just keep in mind that these aircraft carriers operate in the Mediterranean. where you can use not only deck aircraft. They have enough.
  6. MG42
    MG42 14 June 2013 09: 09
    +3
    Japanese Navy for 2012
  7. Wedmak
    Wedmak 14 June 2013 09: 22
    +8
    We still have to make Iskander and deploy them near Vladivostok. And then, the samurai have dispersed, "the protection of island territories" ...
    After all, they are reforming now, and then the severe Japanese, having swallowed sake, orders to begin landing on the disputed islands and they will go. The special forces will storm bare stones .... The sequel will be sad.
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 14 June 2013 11: 13
      0
      Tanks rushed, raising the wind,
      Terrible armor arrived
      And the samurai flew to the ground
      Under the pressure of steel and fire
      .

      It is unlikely that sake lovers want repetition, although repetition is the mother of learning!
    2. albert
      albert 14 June 2013 21: 43
      +1
      Quote: Wedmak
      The special forces will storm bare stones .... The sequel will be sad.

      Yes, another Hiroshima and Nagasaki laughing
      1. True
        True 14 June 2013 22: 51
        0
        And the return Hiroshima will be in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Where do you get so smart from?
  8. bear
    bear 14 June 2013 09: 44
    +1
    (LDPYA) - LDPR MAKES CLONES laughing
  9. sergey261180
    sergey261180 14 June 2013 09: 45
    +1
    They spent $ 50 billion on the Sochi Olympics. With this money, it was possible to build 35 destroyers such as Orly Burke. Attention! Dear experts, the question is: in the event of a Japanese attack on Russia, what is better to send to the Far East 35 Orly Burkov or the Olympics in Sochi? The answer of our management is obvious.
    1. True
      True 14 June 2013 09: 51
      17
      To build Arly Burke you need to have the appropriate technology. Money will not help here. And only the USA, Japan and the South Caucasus have such technologies. We are behind - this is a fact. Of course, those who are not accustomed to face the truth will blame me now, but this is so.
      1. Sinbad
        Sinbad 14 June 2013 10: 24
        +5
        Why minus the truth?
      2. Suvorov000
        Suvorov000 14 June 2013 11: 38
        +3
        There’s nothing to avoid, we have the technology, but the potential that was laid down by the fuckers will have to start all over again
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 June 2013 10: 00
      +7
      Quote: sergey261180
      They spent 50 billion dollars on the Sochi Olympics.

      Generally speaking - a little smaller, about five times so.
      Quote: sergey261180
      Dear experts, the question is: in the event of a Japanese attack on Russia, what is better to send to the Far East 35 Orly Burkov or the Olympics in Sochi?

      Yes, a joke with them, with berks, 10 billion of them cannot be built. By God, it would be better if they deployed a normal network of airfields, airbases, and put on them a couple of regiments of new Su-30 and Su-35 with the corresponding stocks of vumny ammunition ... and a couple of Bastion complexes at least. Now there would be some kind of bread.
      1. karate
        karate 14 June 2013 10: 14
        +4
        And they (airfields) in our Primorye successfully liquidate. I'm from Vladivostok.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 June 2013 10: 42
          +8
          I heard... am
          All this is sad. Airdromes - we are liquidating, we are building airplanes for China ... This latest news about the supply of Su-35 to China killed, killed and buried me.
      2. sergey261180
        sergey261180 14 June 2013 10: 17
        -2
        Well, at least 10 billion can build 7 pieces. In each 56 tomahawks. Suppose every fourth tomahawk is nuclear. In total, hypothetically, you can pull on the distraction of air defense 294 high-explosive tomahawks and 98 nuclear, to permanently wipe Japan off the face of the earth. Instead, you have to somehow fight the Olympics. am
        1. Akim
          Akim 14 June 2013 15: 05
          +1
          Quote: sergey261180
          to distract air defense 294 high-explosive tomahawks and 98 nuclear, to permanently wipe Japan off the face of the earth

          Like this phrase Khrushchev scared the Queen of Great Britain. Nuclear weapons can be used against a country that has a similar arsenal. That's when the fools of China strengthen their army when they could make a bunch of warheads. Their nuclear charges were against the USSR and the USA.
          1. sergey261180
            sergey261180 14 June 2013 22: 44
            0
            Nuclear weapons can be used against a country that has a similar arsenal
            Gee gee lol This is Hiroshima.
            1. Akim
              Akim 15 June 2013 07: 48
              0
              Quote: sergey261180
              This is Hiroshima.

              It was natural and application. It is like a chemical weapon. It was used in large quantities, and only then limited application.
      3. does it
        does it 14 June 2013 14: 17
        +1
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        ... By God, it would be better if they deployed a normal network of airfields, airbases, and put on them a couple of regiments of new Su-30 and Su-35 with the corresponding stocks of vumny ammunition ... and a couple of Bastion complexes at least. Now there would be some kind of bread.

        It will not be enough!
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 June 2013 14: 45
          +2
          I’m just confining myself to the 10 billion that were thrown out at the Su-30 and Su-35 Olympiad now go to 100 million apiece, 60 of such machines - and now 6 billion has never happened ... well, maybe not 100, but 70-80, but still. In order to bring the airfields in order, too much is needed. And I’m completely silent about a clever weapon.
          And so of course it’s not enough, yes ...
    3. Wedmak
      Wedmak 14 June 2013 10: 05
      +1
      They spent $ 50 billion on the Sochi Olympics. With this money, it was possible to build 35 destroyers such as Orly Burke.

      So the United States will give you documentation for Burke ... Although, if you want to enrich the US fleet with new ships instead of the Olympics, you are definitely an American patriot.
      in the event of a Japanese attack on Russia, what is better to send to the Far East 35 Orly Burkov or the Olympics in Sochi?

      It is better to send a couple of dozens of X-102.
      1. sergey261180
        sergey261180 14 June 2013 10: 07
        -1
        If we built them, would you immediately surrender them to the Americans ?! laughing
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 14 June 2013 10: 53
          +1
          If we built them, would you immediately surrender them to the Americans ?!

          I would build ships of Russian projects.
          1. Batman
            Batman 15 June 2013 01: 00
            0
            I would build ships of Russian projects.

            You can and modernized Soviet :) Rhino for example :)
    4. Enjoy
      Enjoy 14 June 2013 10: 16
      -1
      Let them first rake off a couple of thousand kilometers away from Russia on their islands, otherwise they won’t even have to enter the air defense coverage area (which is weakly chronically among the NATO countries) in order to work on something supposedly unsinkable aircraft carrier.
    5. Sinbad
      Sinbad 14 June 2013 10: 23
      +2
      If you spent this money on the Olympics. Most of them crawled into their pockets, this is the lost funds that are so needed in the Far East.
  10. Alikovo
    Alikovo 14 June 2013 09: 52
    +4
    they are prohibited by the constitution from having full-fledged aircraft.
  11. avt
    avt 14 June 2013 10: 07
    +5
    Quote: Alikovo
    they are prohibited by the constitution from having full-fledged aircraft.

    So what ? request Senior allowed and will do, amersky "hello" from the occupied Japan to China and us.
    1. Orty
      Orty 14 June 2013 10: 29
      +5
      Constitution does not last long and change.
      1. Gato
        Gato 14 June 2013 13: 03
        +2
        Well, yes, she’s her own, Japanese. Also a problem for me!
  12. kind
    kind 14 June 2013 10: 15
    +3
    The rise of nationalism in Japan. Recent territorial disputes between Japan and China, Russia and Korea, as well as scandals related to the reluctance of the Japanese elite to recognize the war crimes of World War II, indicate a constant increase in nationalist sentiment in Japanese society.

    History does not teach anything. In 1945, the Japanese lost part of their islands and are again trying to step on the same rake! Well, we do not mind their lands for ourselves, it will do in the farm!
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  14. True
    True 14 June 2013 10: 18
    +2
    Comparative sizes of aircraft carriers (already built)
    1. Gato
      Gato 14 June 2013 13: 05
      0
      Modestly so, carrier destroyers of 18 thousand tons.
      Still called boats.
      1. bazilio
        bazilio 14 June 2013 14: 50
        0
        Quote: Gato
        Modestly so, carrier destroyers of 18 thousand tons.

        Maybe this is an attempt to "not put all your eggs in one basket"?
        1. Gato
          Gato 14 June 2013 16: 21
          0
          Maybe this is an attempt to "not put all your eggs in one basket"?

          Rather, "sheepskin".
          The displacement is twice the same "Burke", not to mention our BOD
  15. Constantine
    Constantine 14 June 2013 10: 36
    +3
    The eyes of predators are turned to the weakened Russia.


    In my opinion, the dynamics are completely opposite, except for the period before the collapse of the Union.

    As for the Japanese, the situation here is ambiguous. They may at least 1000 times want to change the constitution, but as a country that has lost the war, at one gate, without the approval of external forces, such a maneuver may fail. They will instantly be blamed by China, Russia and India for revenge and other sins. Thus, in the political arena, he answered the United States and its allies to their past attacks, simultaneously accusing them of double standards. There, Iran will be recalled, etc.
  16. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 14 June 2013 10: 40
    +3
    The Japanese are preparing to act as cannon fodder for the United States if something happens. Seeing the Americans were sitting, sitting and then scratching their turnips and thinking, "What are we going to protect these Japanese? Do our guys have to die here too? Let the Japanese have an army, perhaps in If something happens, the Japanese army will detain the PLA for a couple of weeks / days, and in the meantime we will have time to reach the Canadian border.
  17. gauche
    gauche 14 June 2013 11: 48
    0
    From it !!! We must use the moment! As a condition for signing a peace treaty, you must (re) sell the Mistral samurai (fuck we need them!). Instead of islands - take both at once. With built-in sushi bar. For the money that has been earned, lay a couple of Ash trees. To ensure the safety of navigation of misral from jambs of rasp - this is shamefulness. And they feel good - and we are pleased. And no strict first persons - all with a smile.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 14 June 2013 11: 54
      +1
      Mistrals should be parked on two sides of the island of Japan, and let the whirlwind ... t towards the Pacific Ocean.
      This is so, in the order of delirium, I could not restrain myself. laughing
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 June 2013 11: 56
      +9
      They will not take the Mistral. They are samurai, not Kashchenko’s patients.
  18. spirit
    spirit 14 June 2013 12: 14
    +3
    as I understand it, the correlation of forces is again in Russian-Japanese! sadness crying
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 June 2013 12: 51
      +5
      In Russian-Japanese it was better. We were somewhat inferior in strength to the sea (not fatal) and, in general, even superior or equal in numbers on land.
      Now what? Of the top-ranked we have there one RRC, one combat-ready destroyer of project 956, 4 BODs of project 1155, or 2 or 3 SSGNs of project 949A on the move, one "pike B" of project 971 and 5 "Varshavyanok" of project 877. That's it. Of the little things - 4 small anti-submarine and 11 missile boats, but how many of them are on the move - not in the know.
      The Japanese have 2 helicopter carriers, 6 large destroyers a la Arlie Burke (in size - almost the size of our cruiser, in terms of combat capability, except for the absence of a long-range missile system - they are quite comparable, and they also have anti-ship missiles on them) 4 large destroyers of Akizuki types and Khatakadze (not much inferior to our BOD but have strike weapons - anti-ship missiles) and 2 old destroyers of a helicopter carrier. But besides that, they have about 25 more older destroyers, 6 frigates (something like our "Guarding" corvette) and 16 submarines.
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 14 June 2013 17: 04
        +1
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        And now what?

        Sharpen a samurai saber.
      2. Odysseus
        Odysseus 14 June 2013 17: 49
        0
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        4 large destroyers of the Akidzuki and Khatakadze types (not much inferior to our BODs but have strike weapons - anti-ship missiles)

        What an optimist Akizuki you compared with BOD 1155))
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 June 2013 22: 29
          +1
          And what is incomparable in them, dear Odysseus?
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 14 June 2013 22: 58
            0
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            And what is incomparable in them, dear Odysseus?

            Well, first of all, the year of creation 2012 and 1980)))
            And then all-radar, reb, weapons, corps.
            In the Japanese Navy, 955 would have long been withdrawn from the fleet.
            Although these are good ships. For the 80s ...
      3. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 14 June 2013 18: 29
        0
        By the way, there was information that Japanese helicopter carriers could carry the F-35В. And this already turns them into UDC.
        1. Akim
          Akim 14 June 2013 19: 05
          0
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          can carry F -35V. And this already turns them into UDC.

          UDC is a mixture of an aircraft carrier / helicopter carrier with a landing ship. What kind of wing will be there - no difference. The Russian Mistrals will carry a Ka-52K, Ka-27 and a landing party with equipment. If Japan has a more active defensive doctrine, it seems that they will be able to lay down the UDC.
          1. Akim
            Akim 14 June 2013 19: 25
            0
            They have Osumi-class amphibious assault ships that can receive helicopters, but not base them.
  19. agbykov
    agbykov 14 June 2013 12: 22
    +2
    Very disturbing news.
  20. deman73
    deman73 14 June 2013 12: 41
    -1
    Urgently need to pit yapps with chinas and all the problem is solved
    1. Batman
      Batman 15 June 2013 01: 08
      0
      need to remind the Japanese who dropped atomic bombs on them
  21. sergey72
    sergey72 14 June 2013 13: 15
    0
    And that Queen Elizabeth has already been built !?
  22. _KM_
    _KM_ 14 June 2013 13: 21
    +1
    Yeah, rather, they will unite to attack the Russian Federation.
  23. vomag
    vomag 14 June 2013 13: 23
    +4
    the strengthening of Japan in this region always and inevitably leads to one result in the WAR
    and knowing the disgusting habits of the Yap, first attack and then with a "delay" then by 3 hours or even a week to declare war, it is necessary to quietly take measures. Without fanaticism, of course, but quite adequate, so that in which case I mean mean insinuations with the demand to return the controversial territories by armed means, be ready, and on the sly chop off Hokaido from them !!! (just kidding of course)
    1. Batman
      Batman 15 June 2013 01: 11
      0
      Hokaido

      Yes, this is native Russian land) they are villains should give this island :)
      In general, the trend is alarming .., all countries began to actively arm themselves .. :(
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 15 June 2013 03: 01
        0
        Quote: Batman
        Yes, this is native Russian land) they are villains should give this island :)
        In general, the trend is alarming .., all countries began to actively arm themselves .. :(

        The Ainu are definitely not Japanese, but very Slavic Indo-Europeans, although to call them Russian you need to have broad views.
  24. Alekseev
    Alekseev 14 June 2013 14: 06
    +1
    "At present, according to opinion polls, over 40% of the Japanese support the rejection of the Peace Constitution."
    Lost, hotsHiroshima and Nagasaki. Their historical memory is short. even though Fukushima made a reminder.
    But the boat that is in the photo in the article ("destroyer" aircraft carrier) for our fleet would be much more necessary than the troughs of the Mistrals.
    Thanks to the native party and the bear with farting (and to the admirals popkolizam) personally,
    for the French profits, the Mistral project is excellent! laughing
    1. Batman
      Batman 15 June 2013 01: 14
      0
      Instead of the Mistral, it was necessary to make Rhinos (the Soviet project, which bypasses the TTX Mistral, is cheaper)
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  27. True
    True 14 June 2013 17: 34
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    The ship in the photo is "Hyuuga" ANTI-submarine destroyer with the AMP "Mistral", it has nothing in common. It does not have a landing craft compartment. But there are anti-ship and anti-submarine missiles. Built by "Hugh" 2 pcs. The third is under construction. TN destroyer 22ddh with a displacement of 35 tons.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 14 June 2013 20: 27
      0
      Quote: True
      it has nothing in common with the AMBORING Mistral. It does not have a landing craft compartment.

      This is what the horse understands that he does not have a compartment for landing boats.
      But he still has a lot of things.
      Both shock and anti-submarine. This is what the Russian Navy is lacking now, and what is probably more important than the ability to land troops against the "Papuans" in overseas territories, which we do not have.
  28. Sour
    Sour 14 June 2013 17: 36
    +3
    Of the constitution no longer matters.
    Japan has the 6th military budget in the world, almost at the level of French and more than Indian or German.
    This is a lot for a country that is not part of any blocs and has no land borders with anyone. This is a lot.
    Aviation (including maritime) - about 700 planes and helicopters, more than in Germany, and a little less than in the UK.
    The total number of soldiers and reservists in Japan is greater than in the UK. Ground forces comprise 10 divisions and 18 individual brigades. Due to the call for the reserve of the 1 line, Japan can deploy 5 divisions in the 10-day period, for which both equipment, command personnel, and barracks are at the ready. There is still a reserve of the 2 queue.
    The fleet is very powerful, the 2 helicopter carrier, the 43 of the destroyer class ship, the 18 submarines and the mass of smaller ships.
    In Japan, the constitutional ban on the presence of armed forces has long been irrelevant.
  29. Sour
    Sour 14 June 2013 17: 37
    0
    Their constitution no longer matters.
    Japan has the 6th military budget in the world, almost at the level of French and more than Indian or German.
    This is a lot for a country that is not part of any blocs and has no land borders with anyone. This is a lot.
    Aviation (including maritime) - about 700 planes and helicopters, more than in Germany, and a little less than in the UK.
    The total number of soldiers and reservists in Japan is greater than in the UK. Ground forces comprise 10 divisions and 18 individual brigades. Due to the call for the reserve of the 1 line, Japan can deploy 5 divisions in the 10-day period, for which both equipment, command personnel, and barracks are at the ready. There is still a reserve of the 2 queue.
    The fleet is very powerful, the 2 helicopter carrier, the 43 of the destroyer class ship, the 18 submarines and the mass of smaller ships.
    In Japan, the constitutional ban on the presence of armed forces has long been irrelevant.
  30. True
    True 14 June 2013 17: 57
    0
    I will add. This is the 22DDH, the third destroyer with a displacement of 35 thousand tons. build at a pace as if war is on. They plan to bookmark one more of the same. They plan to make the fifth Eminets with a displacement of 50 - 000 tons.
  31. builder74
    builder74 14 June 2013 20: 58
    0
    It seems the era of war is coming. sad
  32. itr
    itr 15 June 2013 08: 00
    0
    Cool they have their own Vladimir Volfovich
    Japanese mother
    Father Chinese engineer
  33. Fofan
    Fofan 15 June 2013 12: 27
    0
    nice boat. if pcr will fly from the port side, then just pray?
  34. Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 15 June 2013 15: 05
    +1
    Considering the militarization of neighbors - China, both Koreans, the Japanese have no choice but to create a real army. in the future, I think the Japanese army will be the most modern and combat-ready in the region.
    1. svp67
      svp67 15 June 2013 15: 08
      0
      Quote: Alexandr0id
      perspective, I think that the Japanese army will be the most modern and combat-ready in the region.

      Well, for this they will have to try hard to get around the armies of their neighbors ...
  35. gauche
    gauche 17 June 2013 05: 33
    +1
    Quote: karate
    And they (airfields) in our Primorye successfully liquidate. I'm from Vladivostok.

    As soon as the MiG-31 was taken out of Sokolovka, the Chinese began to scoop the sky with their flights.
  36. Sower
    Sower 23 December 2015 10: 01
    0
    The Japanese army will not be the strongest in the region. Technological is possible.
    But there are pluses for the Russian Federation.
    1.- counterbalance to China. We really need it.
    2.-A self-sufficient army will free itself from under the United States. In theory.
    3.-To solve issues with a nation without a collar for us is also more +.
    We don’t need to be afraid of the Japanese army. They have their eternal opponents in the region. And the baggage of problems and claims of past years will not go anywhere.