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Russia is no longer a cultural country and no longer the most reading

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One of the definitions of the word culture:
Culture is a system of values, life notions, patterns of behavior, norms, a set of methods and techniques of human activity objectified in objective, material carriers (means of labor, signs) and transmitted to subsequent generations. It includes non-material culture — man-made abstractions, such as values, beliefs, symbols, norms, customs and established principles, and material culture — physical artifacts or objects — stone axes, computers, loincloths, tuxedos, cars, paintings, hammocks and indoor stadiums. Culture is the basis for allowing people to interpret their experiences and direct their actions, while society is a network of social relationships that arise between people. Culture is what distinguishes human society from the animal world. Culture is an environment artificially created with the help of language, thinking and symbolic meanings.


Defenition of the word lack of culture:
- wildness, Asiatic, unconsciousness, barbarism, backwardness, lack of culture, zhlobstvo, ignorance, savagery, lack of consciousness.
- lack of culture, cultural backwardness.


Recently wrote an article "Russia is a refuge". Its meaning is that given the natural decline in the standard of living in Western countries + propaganda of “iridescent perversions” + “Juvenile” = return to Russia of millions of economic Russian-speaking migrants and their children + the flight of normal European Americans, preferably one with me the sight of elderly French actors) from the European standard madhouse. Honestly, when I wrote that article, I understood that there was a significant proportion of unrealizable fantasies in it.

“You buy not a house, you buy a neighbor,” says one intelligent woman. I think everyone understands the meaning of this proverb. When choosing a place of residence, it would be necessary to find out who your neighbors will be, what they do, presence / absence of bad habits and criminal convictions, attitude to hygiene. I am sure that the same rule applies when choosing a country of residence.

What awaits a foreigner in our country? I'm not talking about high-paid athletes, bank employees and pevschkah on corporate. All these people with personal chauffeurs, 5-star hotels and French-language restaurants may not even notice a change in their country of residence. I am talking about ordinary people who have gathered, as it were, to move in with a one-way ticket.

Friday, evening, summer, good weather. Exit to the balcony, look around. Listen up. When I did this for the last time, I immediately remembered the film “I Am a Legend”, there, too, at night, human-like disrepute crept out. They shout there, they fight, they continue to defecate, a little further they sort of copulate. Everywhere inhuman sounds. The people after work week “have a little rest” and “drink culturally”.

Interestingly, there is a connection between the purely “cultural”, of course, libation and official discipline, the number of domestic crimes and the smell in the bushes near the benches in the courtyards? Those who are older will confirm that earlier the playground was used for its intended purpose in the evening, and not for inflating adolescents with cheap beer and “yaga” to the very eyebrows. By the way, young mothers in the courtyards did not stand with beer and cigarettes, using baby strollers as mobile mini-bars.

Interestingly, there is a link between the percentage of drinkers - smoking moms and the number of childhood diseases?

Familiar builder when choosing workers from the countries of Central Asia, looking to smoke a bidder or not. If he smokes, then, for sure, he knows well for a long time in Russia and the pricing of works. Cultural influence of the environment of my homeland, mlyat. Familiar Uzbek says that in Bukhara if a girl smokes, you can safely come up and agree on a jointly spent night.

I wonder if there is a relationship between the dynamics of the number of women smoking (this is, in addition, uncivilized) and the dynamics of the divorce and the number of abortions? This fact is very indicative: at the height of the Great Patriotic War, a German doctor who examined girls aged 16-20 who were hijacked from the USSR to Germany decided to appeal to Hitler to immediately start peace negotiations with our country. He was surprised that 90% of girls were virgins, and he wrote to Hitler that it was impossible to defeat people with such high morality. Nowadays, a high school student is a virgin often a marginal and outcast, doomed to ridicule.

I wonder if there is a relationship between attitudes toward virginity (the morality of the people) and the scale of their military victories?

Recently, a gang of young jackals seriously beat a family friend for refusing to "share" 10 rubles. Broken ribs + broken internal organs + concussion = 10 rubles. Interestingly, these freaks read "Crime and Punishment"? And what percentage of Gopnik fans of chanson, rap and classical music?

Watch domestic football (you can on TV), not really paying attention to what is happening on the field, but listen to the "chants". If, for example, Kazan “Rubin” came to visit my “Spartak”, then the fans are chanting: “To love Kazan, to love.” If the match with CSKA, then "Love the horses, love." Army fans have chants, where Benito Mussolini figures (the central sports club of our army, here). What to talk about, we have some heads of regions can call the arbiter publicly a “selling goat” (a role model), and they will have nothing for it. A normal person who does not use foul language at home will never lead a child to the football arena, even if he is a football fan a hundred times. And once poets gathered full stadiums. At that time we were the first to fly into space and half of the world looked into our mouths.

Interestingly, is there any relationship here?

If I go by public transport, I try to read books or newspapers: what time to lose. Once a woman came up and said that I probably came from the past in a time machine. To my puzzled question I answered that many people did this before (the most reading country in the world, after all), but now it’s not accepted to read on the bus.

I wonder if there is a relationship between the number of reading passengers and the number of those who are ready to give place to a pregnant woman or a pensioner?

With books in general movies. Once we eagerly read more than anyone else in the world (probably, it was before we started drinking as much eagerly), and the bookshelves were displayed in the most prominent place in the apartments. And what, suddenly, which of the guests will think that the owners do not read books at all - they will stop saying hello. Then they gradually stopped reading, but the bookshelves remained (so that the neighbors did not suspect anything), and then their sons and grandchildren threw up unnecessary waste paper, so that they did not take up space, and their peers would laugh. A familiar janitor, an intelligent and educated woman, found many really good books thrown away by such “readers”.

I wonder when the fundamental knowledge of children and students was deeper - the era of universal readability or a comprehensive Internet?

More about the book (I can not touch this topic): the new ones are very expensive. Why our state has preoccupied with domestic cinema., Which will shoot the right patriotic films, promises serious money for this business, and books of the necessary direction are not subsidized in any way. Why is the nonsense about bored housewives, engaged in a private investigation and a patriotic bias things really catchy, start somewhere with 300 rubles? Vaughn, in Germany, the Salafis distributed the Koran for free, probably not just throwing money at it, but see it as an investment for the future.

Interestingly, we somehow need to bring up patriotism in future generations, or even if only free flyers to a nightclub get free?

Today, June 12, I am finishing this article. Today is a holiday, a holiday. On the occasion in many cities held celebrations. On this day 23 a year ago, we voluntarily donated vast territories together with our compatriots and the values ​​that were there to the new owners.

Interestingly, in Belgrade somehow celebrate the collapse of the SFRY and the "independence" of Serbia from the rest of the republics? In London, for sure, 4 July is a national holiday in honor of the “liberation” of overseas colonies.

The achievements of the people in various fields directly depend on the cultural development of its citizens. If we want to become PERSONAL, then we must look attractive in our own eyes and the eyes of the whole world, so that we are leveled and tried to imitate us. This is impossible to achieve, if we, excuse me, spoil in the entrances and each other, litter the roadsides and our own heads with “cultural consumer goods” and mass-produced slag. I hear a lot about Russian messianism, but the greatness of our people for the most part in our storiesand not in the present. Why is this happening? The answer is in the title of the article.
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  1. Orel
    Orel 14 June 2013 06: 30
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    economic Russian-speaking migrants


    Does the phrase "economic migrant" make sense?
    1. Maks111
      Maks111 14 June 2013 06: 50
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      Friday, evening, summer, good weather. Exit to the balcony, look around. Listen up. When I did this for the last time, I immediately remembered the film “I Am a Legend”, there, too, at night, human-like disrepute crept out. They shout there, they fight, they continue to defecate, a little further they sort of copulate. Everywhere inhuman sounds. The people after work week “have a little rest” and “drink culturally”.
      There is no plan of Alain Dales, but for some reason it works. Good article, everything is written on the case.
      1. kvodrato
        kvodrato 14 June 2013 17: 32
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        The enslavement of the Slavs The collapse of the USSR and Russia. WATCH UP TO THE END.
      2. folds
        folds 17 June 2013 01: 29
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        "Well, there is - but there is no word?" :)
    2. domokl
      domokl 14 June 2013 07: 47
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      I wonder why foreigners spend huge sums of money on the ideological struggle? It is enough to throw off links to the Internet on such articles here and more and do nothing.
      It seems that the author definitely has a time machine. It is interesting (excuse me for plagiarism), and why the machine only works in the past, or rather in the last century, and does not work in the present or future.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 08: 05
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        Quote: domokl
        and why the machine works only in the past, more precisely in the last century and does not work in the present or future.

        Hello Sasha! Want to the future, well, welcome belay I looked in there and immediately ran back hi
        1. cartridge
          cartridge 14 June 2013 08: 08
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          A familiar Uzbek tells ...
          Recently, a friend of our family ...
          Familiar janitor ...


          The article is written according to the principle "one woman said" + her own paid speculations.
          In general, the recipe for such a Russophobian brew has long been known: take 20% of the truth, add 30% of half-truth, mix with 40% of outright lies and add 10% of hatred as seasoning.
          As a result, we get a product like what we are discussing now.
          Normal Russian people know why such propaganda is needed.
          1. cartridge
            cartridge 14 June 2013 08: 10
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            Go to the balcony, look around. Listen. When I did this for the last time, I immediately remembered the film “I am a Legend”, there, too, a humanoid unread crawled out there at night. There they scream, they fight there, defecate further, a little further they seem to mate. Everywhere inhuman sounds. After a working week, the people “have a little rest” and “drink culturally”.


            Released. He listened. Looked around. I did not hear anything reprehensible. Nobody yells. No one is fighting. Nobody defecates. And no one is attempting copulation. All sounds are human.
            The author has revised the American film consumer goods and now he sees Hollywood scum everywhere ...
            Than in vain staring at the screen would he rather read something from Russian classical literature.
            And the fears would go away, and the mind would increase. And in those around I would see people, not monsters from other people's thrillers.
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 14 June 2013 09: 08
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              Quote: cartridge
              Released. He listened. Looked around. I heard nothing reprehensible

              - did the same at home. And also I didn’t hear anything terrible - with us everything should have been doubly laughing
              the flight of normal Euro-Americans, preferably one phenotype with me - wow, is that so important? I naively thought - if only the state of mind would be close, mentality, language, culture, loyalty - this was all close, well, like the actor Siyatvinda - a Russian man, just something with skin laughing How did the Israelis become like the Ethiopian repatriates were forcibly sterilized? Is it fading or what? The same custodians or Germans with their habit of knocking on the slightest occasion and taking children for a slap (exaggerate) can be much further mentally than even Asians who were part of the USSR before! For the sake of the phenotype forgive them all this?
              Recently, a gang of young jackals seriously beat a friend of our family for refusing to "share" 10 rubles. Broken ribs + broken internal organs + concussion = 10 rubles - in fact, the specific reason is not 10 rubles, but that “I broke away from the team”, did not treat “with sufficient respect for the needs of the team,” although this friend had nothing to do with this team, for a flock of jackals it does not matter. And the roots? And see the roots in the Soviet comedy "Girls" - where the main character decided to give an expensive watch to the little chef, everyone had to throw in this case. Look, there one did not want to chip in - so if he had been a little more stubborn, they would have done the same thing with him that you are writing about here. In a recent interview with Putin, Rasha Today's agency noted this difference in mentality. I do not see anything wrong with collectivism, just be so kind as to put up with the costs of collectivism - whoever separates from the collective, even in an unimportant trifle, must be subjected to the most severe obstruction, up to death from the results of this obstruction. Let the people choose for themselves. I don't like hard collectivism and I don't like hard individualism. The truth is somewhere in between.
              For me, the very fact that Russia did not accept the newfangled tendency towards sodomy already suggests that in Russia the culture is still better than in Europe. And it will be even better if you still abandon the "phenotypic" considerations - before you judge someone for reading Dontsova, remove the log from your eye. For me, “phenotypic” considerations are a very good indicator of the level of culture, and whether a girl smokes or does not smoke - how can one judge by this indicator both about the girl herself and about the culture of the country as a whole? MINUS
              1. Hon
                Hon 14 June 2013 09: 48
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                Quote: aksakal
                Actually, the specific reason is not 10 rubles, but the fact that he "broke away from the team", did not treat "with sufficient respect for the needs of the team", although this friend had nothing to do with this team, it does not matter for a flock of jackals. And the roots? And see the roots in the Soviet comedy "Girls" - where the main character decided to give an expensive watch to the little chef, everyone had to throw in this case. Look, there one did not want to chip in - so if he had been a little more stubborn, they would have done the same thing with him that you are writing about here.

                This is generally from different operas, when they pester on the street with a request to share a trifle or cigarettes, a trifle and cigarettes is not a goal but an excuse. The goal is to assert itself by beating or humiliating anyone. A form of entertainment for youth deprived of intelligence.
                1. aksakal
                  aksakal 14 June 2013 10: 32
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                  Quote: Hon
                  This is generally from different operas, when they pester on the street with a request to share a trifle or cigarettes, a trifle and cigarettes is not a goal but an excuse. The goal is to assert itself by beating or humiliating anyone. A form of entertainment for youth deprived of intelligence.

                  - May be so smile Sorry, but this was also in the USSR, then it is fundamentally WRONG to mark this phenomenon as an exclusively Russian phenomenon, which was not characteristic of the Soviet Union, in the SABJ. I remember how the whole school took us to the movie "Scarecrow", the teachers expected to see us in shock from watching the "cruel film", but they saw something completely different! WE LITTLE !!!!! They whinnied, because in our opinion, the film greatly diminished our then mores !!!! Exactly!!!! We divided in Alma-Ata by districts, the battles between the districts were extremely cruel, the morals were not at all sentimental, and for us this film "Scarecrow" did not shock at all, we even laughed, why are they arguing in words and omitting this goof the main character - they would have kicked her in the teeth, dumped in the mud and obos ... if only - and all business! laughing Here it is not necessary about the high morals of Soviet youth !!!!! I grew up and lived just like that, and no one will prove anything to me !!!! The SABJ in this part is a poor fellow, they beat him for 10 rubles, ah-ah-ah, in the USSR there never was such a thing-a complete lie in this case! And in Alma-Ata we were even softer with divisions into districts and battles between districts, rather than in Kazan at the same time! I can prove to anyone! So let's not la la about the soft morals of Soviet youth. Do you know what else I will say? I will say so - those young people, albeit harsh, but I liked and like them more than now - a computer and obsessed with a material career. She was more honest !!!! If you need to beat - beat, and beat honestly! And now it’s not physically - they are beaten by anonymous letters through a computer, and this is for the sake of a career - this is generally tin. If the author wanted to breeze about present-day Russia, this would be noted.
                  1. aksakal
                    aksakal 14 June 2013 11: 28
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                    Justify your minus. And stop acting like a virgin girl, sorry. First, he will draw the guy with nonexistent and completely uncharacteristic positive qualities and will fall in love with the painted laughing So you too are embellishing it with regard to the USSR. But I love the USSR with all its shortcomings, and this despite the fact that I perfectly see and saw these shortcomings - and excessive ideologization, and the associated elements of hypocrisy, and insufficient commercialization in economic activity - because of which they missed the benefits associated with a mobile connection? After all, with "Altai" were ahead of the rest! And now the unsentimental morals among young people under the age of 20 are from the same opera. The main proof of these morals? Yes please! There is one very famous individual in Russia - he became a candidate master in judo! A very enjoyable sport? When you are thrown with all your urine on a rather hard tatami and even strangled to a heap laughing What pushed him to experience such pleasant feelings all the time? Some urgent need? Which one? Something in the St. Petersburg courtyards-wells he did not like? Have I given enough solid evidence? Or do you still need?
                    I'm waiting for the justification !!!! am
                    Just do not "maybe it was, only these are all episodes and individual elements, and so - in the USSR everyone was white and fluffy" laughing Do not make laugh.
                    Moreover, I’ll ask a very provocative question. I’m remembering my school episode - I’m somehow treating a kid, he told me: “I’ve changed the tenth school, I thought, here you will become my FRIENDS, and you ...”. I answered: Wow, you still dare to compare us with someone! am "well, etc. in the same vein. Why should I remember this with shame? Why on earth? I would repeat it all, with the only difference - instead of that kid, I would treat an American cat or a little girl from some thread of a Middle Eastern country , the son of a millionaire. Yes, the morals were not very good? BUT !! It was tempering with these morals that allowed the Soviet soldier to show himself very worthily in Afghanistan and other conflicts. Every medal has a reverse side, without this it does not happen.
                    1. Papakiko
                      Papakiko 14 June 2013 12: 24
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                      Quote: aksakal
                      I’d have so much to say about America or Loshka from a thread in a Middle Eastern country, the son of a thread from a millionaire.

                      Come on, we'll even play drums.
                      It seems that lying under a dropper on a hospital bed, listening to the doctor’s words that for the rest of your life you will have to move using a wheelchair or cane.
                      How pleased will you be with such a perspective?
                      This is the reality of our days.
                      Quote: aksakal
                      . I now remember my school episode - somehow I treat a kid, he told me: "I've already changed the tenth school, I thought, here you will become my FRIENDS, and you ...". I answered: Wow, you still dare to compare us with someone!

                      In 1998, my friend went to visit relatives in Alma-Ata, so his Kazakh brothers were crowded. Now until the end of days he will take a pill a day to support the vital functions of the brain.
                      Quote: aksakal
                      It was the tempering of these mores that allowed the Soviet soldier to show himself very worthily in Afghanistan and other conflicts.

                      Accordingly, our grandfathers and great-grandfathers in the period 1917-1927 simply ate each other alive and then broke up the fascists in 1945.
                      So do you see it?
                      1. aksakal
                        aksakal 14 June 2013 14: 16
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                        Quote: Papakiko
                        How pleased you are with such a perspective? This is the reality of our days.

                        “That's just less of it now, Papakio.” Less is simply beaten, for no reason. And I will explain why. In Soviet times, I beat someone - so what? The maximum that I was for this was registration in the children's room of the police. If severely beaten - a suspended sentence. It never occurred to Soviet people for a battered son to take away a lot of money from the parents of the aggressor son — moral and other damages. Now I myself am talking to my son under a serious threat - do not even think about how to wave your fists in vain !!!! After all, the parents of the beaten will let the wind go. Although he himself did it with pleasure in childhood! It’s even a shame for my son - I got a purely boyish pleasure in full, and to him - a complete Bummer. WALK HAIRED, IN SUIT AND WITH TOMIK DOSTOEVSKY under your arm laughing laughing In my childhood, it was not Dostoevsky under my arm, but often botanical delights from the valley near Almaty, but Dostoevsky was still read by me. I don’t understand this contrast - either you are with a volume of Dostoevsky, or you beat muzzles for the boys from the neighboring region. I managed to combine these two pleasant things completely, and absolutely one did not interfere with the other, moreover, it also helped laughing In a fight, I also asked myself the question: "TV ... am I trembling or have the right?" Ideally - SO AND IT SHOULD BE! And I still can't stand the boys with Dostoevsky under his arm.
                        Quote: Papakiko
                        In 1998, my friend went to visit relatives in Alma-Ata, so his Kazakh brothers were crowded. Now until the end of days he will take a pill a day to support the vital functions of the brain.

                        - the same examples, only worse, from bald in Moscow. Ours only blow, your bald ones are happy to cut into pieces. Compare them to draw conclusions.

                        Quote: Papakiko
                        Accordingly, our grandfathers and great-grandfathers in the period 1917-1927 simply ate each other alive and then broke up the fascists in 1945.

                        - yes no, mark him for not going to his area, then take him to the pump and help wash, and then shake his hand and say that when the blizzard, “you did a good job, put up worthy resistance, man, in short, you can walk in our area at least to Katka. at least to Masha "- this means
                        Quote: Papakiko
                        just alive ate each other
                        ? Yeah ... Can't you see a good educational moment? I don’t know, this is a militarized site, here we are discussing men's affairs, there are no topics about violins, about violins - you should go to another site, probably ...
                      2. Marek Rozny
                        Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 15: 09
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                        Quote: aksakal
                        In my childhood, it was not Dostoevsky under my arm, but often botanical delights from the valley near Almaty, but Dostoevsky was still read by me. I don’t understand this contrast - either you are with a volume of Dostoevsky, or you beat muzzles for the boys from the neighboring region. I managed to combine these two pleasant things completely, and absolutely one did not interfere with the other, moreover, it also helped

                        Gyyy, and we also participated in the olympiads and received awards))) And we celebrated this case with drunkenness in the umat and a fight with the first one who came across)))) We could get stoned, piss on the entrance, squat down and spit under ourselves and at the same time argue reasonably about literature or stories between stories "who gave p_zdy to whom yesterday or who fucked whom." Normal conversations)))
                      3. aksakal
                        aksakal 14 June 2013 15: 34
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                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Gyyy, and we also participated in the olympiads and received awards))) And we celebrated this case with drunkenness in the umat and a fight with the first one who came across)))) We could get stoned, piss on the entrance, squat down and spit under ourselves and at the same time argue reasonably about literature or stories between stories "who gave p_zdy to whom yesterday or who fucked whom." Normal conversations)))
                        - thanks, Marek. After all, it was so, but for the truth I’m hard minus, as if I’m lying in black laughing
                        According to your post below - exactly NOSTALJI! Ehhh. I from Ertek was living with DOS - at school laughing
                      4. Marek Rozny
                        Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 18: 09
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                        Quote: aksakal
                        I from Ertek was living with DOS - at laughing school

                        I am Koktemovsky, but we usually lived in Kizakh (vdnkh) and in the brocade near KazSU. there were more secluded places, and it was easier to get to Botanica from the cops - it’s useless to look there without a dog)))) I’m writing it myself, I’m laughing, not recognizing myself))) if it weren’t for this article, it would not have been 10 years recalled this))))

                        and the school in the Timiryazev-Markov area was located, and the first university - in.yaz. although I’m lying, the very first university is the Border School on Lenin, from which I dumped my citizen in spite of my father. oh what a fool I was ...

                        after everything that happened in KZ in critical years, what is happening inside the country now looks so pastoral and peaceful))) They would say then that Bugatti and Hummers will cut through the dry Kaskelen, and skyscrapers will stand on the wastelands where we drank cheap vodka, and that I myself someday, instead of the opportunity to go on vacation abroad, I will say - "nope, I'd rather sleep at home these days" - I would consider this nonsense. Well, if I were a smoky blockhead, someone would say that hundreds of thousands of foreigners would come to work for us, Caballe would perform in Tselinograd, or that the Hungarians would borrow money from Kazakhstan, I would laugh for a week. with these words. The real woman was in the same country. For cheap Chinese sneakers and a lousy Chinese leatherette jacket, teenagers were beaten to death. But it turns out that then everything was good, but now - "the twilight of the gods" is straight ...
                  2. Papakiko
                    Papakiko 14 June 2013 15: 54
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                    Quote: aksakal
                    It never occurred to Soviet people for a battered son to take away a lot of money from the parents of the aggressor son — moral and other damages. Now I myself am talking to my son under a serious threat - do not even think about how to wave your fists in vain !!!! After all, the parents of the beaten will let the wind go. Although he himself did it with pleasure in childhood! It’s even a shame for my son - I got a purely boyish pleasure in full, and for him - a complete Bummer

                    What are you cheating on your offspring?
                    Let the children of millionaires and officials walk and hit the face.
                    And better to the shopping center "Evropeyskiy" in Moscow and other "hot" places.
                    This is all for the good, for educational purposes.
                    And then you answer with him and hold, well, how much health is enough.
                    I think we will not wait for your second appearance in the "light".
                    Quote: aksakal
                    - yes no, mark him for not going to his area, then take him to the pump and help wash, and then shake his hand and say that when the blizzard, “you did a good job, put up worthy resistance, man, in short, you can walk in our area at least to Katka. at least to Masha "- this means

                    Something you kind of confuse a little.
                    Regardless of how the "Romeo" was holding on, they tried to push him the next time and the next, with varying success (which varied from the number of locals and the health of the "Romeo"). For the jackal-herd psychology prevailed.
                    One on one "until the first blood" stopped fighting in the 60s.
                  3. aksakal
                    aksakal 14 June 2013 16: 37
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                    Quote: Papakiko
                    Why are you depriving your offspring. Let the children of millionaires and officials go and beat the face. And better to the shopping center "Evropeyskiy" in Moscow and other "hot" places
                    - Common sense. Stupid common sense. We buzzed - they threatened us with a finger. Now they will knock - and then they will strip each other like sticky through the courts. Therefore, I deprive my offspring. But I see - he is not such a fighter as I was in childhood, alas. For me, running, even if there were more of them (from the enemy area), was a shame. I then could not sleep well, I covered myself with shame. And even arguments, such as "but the teeth are intact" did not save. I wanted to wash it off like dirt from myself. And therefore he accepted the fight in the composition as it is, and even one. And nothing, alive. So you are my thesis - objections to the SABZh, and my objections that now they are hitting the muzzles not as often as before is far from so - you just confirm. What are you minus? You seem to confirm that I posted the truth. I don't like that I dared to point out that in the USSR they still beat each other's muzzles? Or what? I do not understand you.
                    Quote: Papakiko
                    One on one "until the first blood" stopped fighting in the 60s.

                    - in the late 70s it still worked. In the early 80s, they were already beaten by a flock, but strictly to a certain limit. Shout: "all the boys, he is already wheezing, that's it, tie it up, make legs!" still worked until the 90s. Now if they beat, then they already beat to the end, alas. But they do not hit so often.
                    Quote: Papakiko
                    the next time and the next time tried

                    - I do not know. I just won the right to go to the district to my current wife, with a worthy fight. Well received, from the heart. But then in the army then all this hazing seemed to me somehow d / garden. They tormented and frightened, and my grandfather saw that he had thought up scaring me - he laughed for a long time.
                  4. Papakiko
                    Papakiko 14 June 2013 19: 05
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                    Quote: aksakal
                    Now they will make a joke - and then another one’s to be torn off one another through the courts.

                    What makes you think that you will be taken to court after the hearings?
                    Honestly weird you are a street fighter.
                    Quote: aksakal
                    Shout: "all the boys, he's already wheezing

                    You can wheeze from different things and you can for the last time.
                    Quote: aksakal
                    but strictly to the limit

                    So if everything was right and strict, why then now start at the offspring and hide behind the Courts?
                    Where did this bitterness come from?
                    Because all the same they stomped, scored as long as they could wave-stand, with sticks, chains, etc.

                    If spirit education is needed, then in Russia, in the Shrovetide, they went wall to wall.
                    You yourself have passed this, and with all the bravado your child does not allow this, protect him. hi
                  5. aksakal
                    aksakal 14 June 2013 19: 32
                    +1
                    Quote: Papakiko
                    What makes you think that you will be taken to court after the hearings?
                    Honestly weird you are a street fighter.

                    - And you read not only my posts, Marek Rozny posted it here too. Pay attention, dear, Marek Rozna’s father is a big cop, but when Marek ran home beaten, his father drove him out to give change. In fact, and if absolutely strictly according to the law, it’s actually a crime. From a human point of view, Marek’s father is delighted. You seriously do not see the difference between those and current morals? You seriously don’t even have a good idea of ​​what a big cop will do now, in our time, when his son will come home beaten and in tears. Especially when this current big cop will make inquiries and find out that the parents of the offender are from simple hard workers? Tell you this, or are you still not a stupid person?
                    Quote: Papakiko
                    You can wheeze from different things and you can for the last time.
                    - can. I will not deny. I just remember the episode and as it is, I told you so. There simply was a wheezing from the fact that under the breath we got and stopped breathing for seconds. I don’t argue, it hurts. But the sound for our rules was sufficient and sobering, we did not go further!

                    Quote: Papakiko
                    So if everything was right and strict, why then now start at the offspring and hide behind the Courts?
                    Where did this bitterness come from?
                    - What anger, what are you talking about? Not at all embittered, nostalgia. And a little annoyance - why post that the brow was beaten for 10 rubles? to give it out as SUCH an EVENT - that’s all, Russia is a country impossible for life, I want in the USSR, because in the USSR it wasn’t! And here I am writing - it was like that in the USSR and even worse, and besides the minuses, no one proved anything.
                    Quote: Papakiko
                    So if everything was right and strict, why then now start at the offspring and hide behind the Courts?
                    - I’m writing again - I’m not covering myself up with the courts, and it’s just like that, my son will offend anyone, the battered parents will drag me to court and stupidly ruin me. By the way, I will not do this if my son is beaten, if the matter is limited to bruises or even a broken nose. It was already like that, just led to a familiar boxing coach, but he didn’t like it, for two months it was enough. But he didn’t see bruises anymore. Somehow I spoke honestly - but he runs stupidly. Even with a girl running. She doesn’t look that she is in high heels and running is not very convenient for her. He didn’t say anything to him - if he decided so, he would be more whole. But I don’t want to approve of this - about which I am writing here. I don’t like how my son (and not only he, almost all young people do it now) solves this problem, but I won’t say anything to him. I want to see my grandchildren, but I will defend my homeland - maybe there will be someone. Yes, I’ll go, though the old man is strong and you won’t scare the bullshit.
                  6. Papakiko
                    Papakiko 14 June 2013 21: 13
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                    Quote: aksakal
                    and you read not only my posts, Marek Rozny

                    I read, he is the son of a cop and showed completely how everything happened. I’m writing about this to you that, as a young woman, you have had quite a bit of smoking and had a hand in what is happening now.
                    Quote: aksakal
                    I want to see my grandchildren, but I will defend my homeland

                    Here it is Socramental.
                  7. Marek Rozny
                    Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 21: 52
                    +1
                    Father was never a cop. He is an officer of the Internal Troops. When leaving Russia, he was a major of the Zambomna battalion of the Orenburg OMON battalion. He has a couple of dozen awards of the USSR, Russia (including for hot spots) and Kazakhstan. He retired with the rank of colonel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs VV; at the end of his career, he worked as a chief in the central office.
                    He had nothing to do with the militia / police, although there was a case in his biography when he was still introducing himself into a criminal group undercover (some kind of joint operation), but in general he was never a policeman.
                    Not once did my father pull me out from anywhere, never excuse me from anything. He always dealt with his problems himself and made decisions himself. I only received advice from my father when I needed it. When a beaten one came, my father limited himself to questions - did I fight back, and whether there was a fight for the cause or an empty pointless fight. I used to always say that I got into a fight on business. The father pretended to believe. But he always added that he would not abuse "heroism", and that the best fight is when you win with words. True, he admitted that there is not always a reason to enter into a verbal dispute on the street. Sometimes you just have to act with your fist.
                    Father - engaged in boxing. And in the Gorbachev years, they had a karate trainer in their unit, I and my brother worked there. Then he went to goju-ryu in Alma-Ata. However, in Almaty, many go to the karate, boxing, wrestling or other hand-to-hand section.

                    Papakiko, but I did not understand what Aksakal had a hand in? What's happening? What did you mean?
                  8. Papakiko
                    Papakiko 15 June 2013 00: 33
                    +1
                    Quote: Marek Rozny
                    what did Aksakal put his hand to? What's happening? What did you mean?

                    Both you and Aksakal (and myself too) put each of their 3 kopeks into the common vat of today's culturelessness.
                  9. aksakal
                    aksakal 15 June 2013 01: 11
                    0
                    Quote: Papakiko
                    Both you and Aksakal (and myself too) put each of their 3 kopeks into the common vat of today's culturelessness.

                    - wow, how is it laughing To temper character in street battles is to contribute to culture laughing Well, again - point me to at least one positive phenomenon in your opinion - and I will find its reverse side immediately. Moreover, the more significant the plus, the more significant will be the negotiable minus.
                    We loved to fight - but we loved and read. Loved the movie. And they stood in lines when the Moscow Art Theater came on tour. But we certainly didn’t beat the teachers or beat the teachers - it didn’t even occur to us! Bad culture is when a jerk hits a teacher. We did not have this, and I do not agree with your accusation of contribution. I don’t know, the last time I saw a fight in Almaty was about two months ago near some cafe. And it wasn’t a fight - more screaming and grabbing at the breasts. In my opinion, street culture has even increased to some extent. But this is only street in the sense of the norm of behavior on the street. And in other things fell. In something better, in something worse. So grumble about the current state - I do not agree.
                  10. Marek Rozny
                    Marek Rozny 15 June 2013 03: 52
                    +1
                    Quote: Papakiko
                    Both you and Aksakal (and myself too) put each of their 3 kopeks into the common vat of today's culturelessness.

                    In my opinion, today's youth is more cultured and educated than us. they don’t know who Bonch-Bruevich and Marietta Shaginyan are, but they don’t need it. they have Coelho, Tolkien, Murakami, Lukyanenko, or at worst Pelevin and Minaev.
                    They thump, drink and fight less than we do, and they have (if they are friends with them) access to such an education and an array of information that we never even dreamed about.
                    Yes, they watch a lot of all sorts of shit on TV, but didn't we laugh at obscene anecdotes and sang vulgar songs like "Red Mold" or "Gaza Strip" or were we guys listening to Tolkunova and Legkostupova then?
                    Street vandalism was a common thing before, but now ATMs and electronic kiosks are standing - and even if only henna. But in Alma-Ata, when the boys and I first saw a Chinese garland cord behind a window at the Sheber store, we broke the glass at night and whistled the garland. We have never seen this. They disassembled the garland by light bulbs and divided them like brothers. Are we pigs? Certainly. And why? Because they had never seen an outlandish cord, from which multi-colored lights blinked and could not understand how everything was arranged there. This was very different from the Soviet garland. And despite the fact that our parents always told us that stealing was bad, a sense of curiosity and a banal indifference to the social order, which most adults did not adhere to, contributed to our vandalism.
                    Personally, no one ever explained to me in my school years what exactly smoking is harmful. About some billboards and special actions "EKPRANOVRAESCHZZ against smoking / drugs" I generally keep quiet. I started smoking at 15. The first time I fucked at 14 or 15 (my partner was about the same). I tasted vodka at 14 or 15. The promotion of smoking and alcohol was in almost all Soviet films. They smoked and boozed everywhere - on the street, in doorways, entrances, offices, in production - absolutely everywhere. Is not it?
                    Young people in the KZ are now much less addicted to addictions. This is unambiguous.
                    No one here really tried to learn foreign languages, because they did not see the point. It is now, without exception, everyone is trying to learn the world language well, or even some kind of Asian thread (Chinese, Arabic, Japanese), because they are going to get an education abroad or just make the horizons of their world wider. I envy them. And now I understand my father, who groaned no, no, when, in his opinion, I started to "greyhound" from time to time: "In my years this (that) was not, we wrote in ink and never saw grapes, in military boots walked and only a few had personal cars, and you use all the benefits of civilization ... ". Did your father say anything like that to you, swearing at the stupidity and idleness of the new generation?
                    No need to grumble or overly idealize the past. As my father used to say: "Never be afraid of anything." And I will add - And do not be afraid of tomorrow either.
              2. aksakal
                aksakal 15 June 2013 00: 58
                +1
                Quote: Papakiko
                I’m writing about this to you that, as a young woman, you have had quite a bit of smoking and had a hand in what is happening now.

                - Papakiko, were you a saint in your youth? There is no need to rush to blame people for what they did not do. Do not judge and you will not be judged. At that time, the half-union lived like this and enjoyed themselves like that, you yourself confirm this. And you also talk about the chains - it was customary with you, so blame yourself. And they beat you to the complete immobility of the object, we did not beat you before. But they loved to fight - that's a fact. We didn’t go any further than the torn from the fence in a hurry. A very large hole and you can't pull it out. Such was the youth of the USSR, and what was it about that? Guys should fight from time to time, that's my opinion. When adults do it, it's not normal. I remembered another film, where we were taken for educational purposes - "Farewell, zamoskvoretskaya punks!" And also by, too, "so what? What surprised you? Yes, we will be cooler!"
                I repeat once again - firstly, in the Sabzh, beating for 10 rubles in today's Russia is wrong to reproach modern Russia, in fact it is a legacy and a residual phenomenon from the USSR, whether you like it or not. Secondly, the fact that young people in the USSR had more personal customs was stricter than those of today — I did not see anything terrible in this and do not see it. Good tempering character. Marek said it well - if there is a rumor going around the district that you are cowardly - understandably, in short. What's bad about it? And they cowered and did the right thing - there is no reason to dissolve the tolerant nurses. A man must be a man. Although I and Marek no longer stand on the idea that in vain would we wave our fists and do not teach our sons, but I still can’t stand my whin whiners.
                Quote: Papakiko
                Here it is Socramental

                - sAcramental. Do you condemn the dream of grandchildren? Something you are mysterious, it is difficult to understand you.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 14 June 2013 14: 45
    +2
    Quote: aksakal
    . I now remember my school episode - somehow I treat a kid, he told me: "I've already changed the tenth school, I thought, here you will become my FRIENDS, and you ...". I answered: Wow, you still dare to compare us with someone!

    You are just lucky, they ran into a weakling, however this property is inherent in all jackals, to attack the weak. I was the smallest in the class and I broke my head with such a "bully" brick, sorry you didn't get to me, I would quickly re-educate you.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 14 June 2013 15: 30
      0
      Quote: Setrac
      You are just lucky, they ran into a weakling, however this property is inherent in all jackals, to attack the weak. I was the smallest in the class and I broke my head with such a "bully" brick, sorry you didn't get to me, I would quickly re-educate you.

      - Wow, what emotions laughing laughing Has stepped on a sore spot of childhood? laughing And to solve the problem as it was decided by the famous individual I cited above, was there not enough mind? Parents did not prompt? Mother laziness jammed? Let me remind you that in the USSR, sports sections were FREE, the material and technical equipment of sports schools was at a normal level, and there were many, well, not every corner, but a lot. And Dynamo to you, and Spartak, and CSKA ...
      So the joke is that this weak one was weak not only on the body, SHOWER IT WAS WEAK! I could not tolerate such from childhood. And the one who could, if he couldn’t cope with his fists, took up the brick - the fact of the matter was that he deserved at least some respect. There is no need to talk about a jackal - it was the weak people who were being treated in spirit. He who was strong in spirit was marked a couple of times and left behind. Either my friend from childhood - neither knew how to fight and did not like violence at all. Learned to enter the soul. Moreover, it came to a funny point - he, who did not know how to fight, had influence, and around healthy boars on his hind legs were sitting - in the sense, they seriously listened to his opinion. Learned to be a sort of gray cardinal laughing Well it is, recalling childhood.
      A lot of words, I’ll say in short - in the SAZH example with a beating for 10 rubles - this was in the USSR. Therefore, this example is simply unjustified dramatization.
      Unjustified dramatization on other aspects of the SABZH. No matter how traditions are lost, including military ones. The fact that ladies smoke is bad. But the current trends towards changing the criteria for a life partner are much worse. Then, in the USSR - to marry only for love, he should be: "whatever he drank, smoked, and always gave flowers, called his mother-in-law mother, la-la-la (I don't remember here) and that he would be cheerful and smart! " And now there is only one criterion, but I do not know it. Guess for yourself. This criterion outweighs everything else, if the candidate fits this one criterion, all the rest of the criteria are trifles that do not deserve attention. He can be a complete scoundrel, but even a scoundrel and a traitor to the Motherland - these are all trifles, in the main criterion he passes - that's enough! I would pay attention to this, but smoking - not smoking - is not an indicator.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 14 June 2013 15: 51
      0
      Quote: aksakal
      There is no need to talk about a jackal - it was the weak people who were being treated in spirit. He who was strong in spirit was marked a couple of times and left behind.

      There is logic in your words, but I do not like this approach. For the army - an excellent system of upbringing "strong in spirit". Although the committee of soldiers' mothers disagrees with me.
    3. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 17: 11
      +1
      Yes, those who were weaker in spirit were oppressed in childhood. Grandmas were constantly taking pictures, things were taken away. Those who obediently did it - those and spread rot. And whoever got into a fight - after getting it in the neck, received respect from the victors. In Russia, the definitions are sometimes confused and they call it "they only respect strength," in fact, they respect "strength of mind." You can be physically frail, but if you don’t point glasses, don’t turn on the back, it means “the boy is even” and there are no complaints about him. And it doesn't matter that he is rather weak in a fight. This is nonsense, tomorrow he will go to karate and begin to twist mawashi))) And who is cowardly, no kyu or dan will help against an insolent goldfinch who will shove like a tank.
      I confess that I constantly felt fear during fights, but the fear of losing face made me say with my mouth, from which blood was flowing: "Come on." Because I knew that tomorrow everyone in the area would know that I broke down, got cold feet. And this for me was a greater fear than the fear of losing consciousness from a kick on the head. The phrase "never be afraid of anything", in my opinion, all Kazakhs constantly instill in children. I heard this phrase a million times from my father. There was a case in my childhood when I ran away from a fight (they hit me in the face once in the yard) and came home in tears. The father said, "Go back and fight back." And there was a boy who was much older and stronger than me (Tatar Rafik), I went back to the street, wiped away my tears, picked up a stick of some kind and with a cry dispersed the whole company of this Rafik home. Then, by the way, we made friends with him) And then his father came to my father to meet and drink for the children)
      Later, being a "starshak", he himself screwed up the regional goldfinches, urging them to get into fights in front of my eyes, so that our boys learn to overcome the feeling of fear in the presence of their elders. A cruel system, but it forges good guys with a core out of domestic boys. All my hooligans are friends of nowadays directors of something. All the goldfinches from the area who were taught to get into fights ("go fuck that passer-by") now have good positions, despite their usual origins.
      My best friend Dimka - with whom we are still friends - was my number one enemy. They did not digest each other, which eventually turned into a good scuffle. And in the end, our families themselves became friends, including parents, grandmothers and now children.
      Kazakhs are a pugnacious nation in essence. Now a lot of Kazakh young people study abroad (only according to the state program, up to 2000 schoolchildren and students are sent to the best universities of the world every year) and almost everywhere, Kazakhs were noted as fighters. In South Korea, I myself once fought. With a Kazakh. On the bus)))) Hooked up word for word)))) As a result, the rams. Even the Koreans called the police. But then I was already a civil servant))) As a result, I still keep photographs of where I am on the shores of the Sea of ​​Japan with a blanche under my eye) And after that fight, I started talking to the Kazakh in friendly terms) Kazakh nature - to fight and then make peace quickly.
      By the way, maybe this is a really "bad approach", but in our army, what horse-radish Caucasian will write on the back of Kazakhs "Dagestan" or "Chechnya". For some reason, people of Caucasian nationality are very polite and delicate in communication)))
      In short, I see nothing wrong with fights. This is part of the education system. And if tomorrow, God forbid, war, then this skill will again allow us to survive and win. There are no other skills for victory. Even in modern warfare.
    4. aksakal
      aksakal 14 June 2013 17: 25
      0
      Quote: Marek Rozny
      Kazakhs are a pugnacious nation in essence. Now a lot of Kazakh young people study abroad (only according to the state program, up to 2000 schoolchildren and students are sent to the best universities of the world every year) and almost everywhere, Kazakhs were noted as fighters.
      - plus Marek. But this does not play a good role everywhere. In the Boston terrorist attack, during the promotion of the case along the way, two Kazakh boys are pulled up - they were friends with the Tsarnaevs and Todashev (whom the FBI members simply soaked, as if rushing at the FBRO members) and because they went to the same sports section with martial arts and loved amers to play episodes their fights, the prison shines. Not for the fact that they contributed to terrorist attacks, but when identifying a circle of acquaintances, they looked, "oh-oh! Love to fight? Come on, come here!" Yeshkin cat, for which you will pay the family a "little thing"
      and you will pay for good false teeth (these are implanted ones), you will receive a counter-statement that the victim claims + 500 ye sledaku - and that’s all. Everyone is happy, everyone is laughing. There are no meetings in Amer, twenty years and great! Poor parents sent sons to their misfortune in Massachusetts
    5. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 19: 13
      +2
      Basho ... I didn’t know that those guys there also distinguished themselves in fights. Although not surprised at all. It’s a pity for the boys if they’ll be thrown into the American prison. Of course, to a strange monastery with its own charter ... I hope our diplomats will sort out the situation and the Americans will confine themselves to deportation in the worst case. The main thing is that they did not shoot as the Karaganda man who climbed on the American cop. And then their cops are already used to playing "shooters".
      Did they study at MTI? If so, then it is very a pity if they can’t finish their studies there. Good university, no market. I graduated from the former chief of MIT, received an excellent education there.
      By the way, in Soviet times, for fights, too, they planted no, no. My uncle got 3 years for a fight. I don’t know any more personal examples to really condemn anyone for this case. The uncle himself was to blame - the whole village was driving drunk. And so - he was the kindest in the aul. But he drinks a little and wakes up the desire to wave his fists. And he did not care - the crowd against him or the cops. It was crazy. Until his death, everyone was really afraid of his outbursts of anger. The truth departed quickly and then in every possible way smoothed out its aggression, admitted guilt and repented. And then again the tower was demolished and climbed to fight. Like a tank, always per. How many times his teeth were inserted - it is impossible to count. His energy for some kind of war - Chapaev did not stand nearby. Yes, damn it spoiled the biography with a bit of a fight. Kazaktar ...
      Someone said that in London, Kazakhs were not allowed to some club, because every visit of Kazakh students to the club ended with the Kazakhs after the phrase "Oh, Kazakhstan, Borat!" every time everything was carried there.
      How many times the Kazakhs in Europe fought over this film - in my opinion, no one will count. Now it seems like the Europeans stopped joking with the Kazakhs about Borat. Because it always ends the same way - broken European snoops.
    6. aksakal
      aksakal 14 June 2013 19: 57
      +1
      Quote: Marek Rozny
      Did they study at MTI?
      Yes, at MIT, and studied well. One has the surname Kadyrbaev, the second - I do not remember. The love of being puzzled played a cruel joke with them. Although I understand them - when I see a foreigner polished by such cultures and cultures all of myself, like this one who teaches English to children on the Carousel channel, really, for some reason Panakiko thinks this is anger, what makes me laugh, well, I would get caught such in his youth, uh! - forever the Kazakhstani would remember and tremble laughing Yes, it’s not bitterness, I just like to joke a little over such people. You could say I'm a gopot. Let it be so, I agree. Only for some reason, I, gopot, know no less than these polished and no less able to, and even if there is no polished, but there are other things that are more to the peasant's face.
      So those guys (Kadyrbaev from Karaganda, from Maykuduka, a good district) just also could not resist a little chasing pampered and glazed amers. They did a favor for these amers, they showed that the world is not so simple, and they are 20 years old belay Ungrateful !!!!
    7. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 21: 31
      +1
      Well, tady, I’m also a gopnik))) And I still often find myself thinking that while talking with an expat, I’m weighing myself mentally, can I immediately put it on my shoulder blades or not right away. Although we seem to be talking about business things with him, all the same crazy thoughts fly by for a moment.
      With whom of the expats it’s easy for me to talk about pugnacious and military topics - these are the Japanese))) We are completely different in mentality, until we start talking about fighting and cruelty. Then the feeling that I’m talking as you now on understandable topics. We actually speak the same language with them when we discuss how to cultivate a military spirit, where the limits of cruelty in war and our attitude towards the Chinese)))) Even with Russians from Russia it’s not always possible to achieve full understanding in such conversations (Kazakh Russians are another conversation, all the same, our Russians are more Asians than they are). Buryats - also absolutely understand us.

      By the way, when my sister (cousin, but like a native) sent to study in Europe (Czech Republic, then Austria), I constantly told her that she remembered that she was a conqueror, that her ancestors had already been to Europe several times (and our grandfather and he took Prague in 1945) and put everyone in a knee-elbow position, and if necessary, we will come again. I told her not to break under the arrogant looks of Western Europeans, who consider themselves to be the navel of the earth and do not feel below them.
      However, my sister herself is distinguished by pugnacity. Even was registered with the police for fights. Her father, too, was a military man, just like mine (mine is not a cop, but a VV-shnik, also a former hot spot) - he is an Afghan, a scout - he also always taught her to be strong as a person, though at the same time trying to still be a girl . The little sister in the end and the beauty of her university became Miss and won the 4th place at the republican boxing championship)))) As taught, she did it)))
      So, even without my advice, she does not give any of the Western Europeans a bully in her nose.
      In the photo, she looks too brutal and severe, but in life she is very cheerful and very feminine)
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 17: 29
    +1
    Yes, those who were weaker in spirit were oppressed in childhood. Grandmas were constantly taking pictures, things were taken away. Those who obediently did it - those and spread rot. And whoever got into a fight - after getting it in the neck, received respect from the victors. In Russia, the definitions are sometimes confused and they call it "they only respect strength," in fact, they respect "strength of mind." You can be physically frail, but if you don’t point glasses, don’t turn on the back, it means “the boy is even” and there are no complaints about him. And it doesn't matter that he is rather weak in a fight. This is nonsense, tomorrow he will go to karate and begin to twist mawashi))) And who is cowardly, no kyu or dan will help against an insolent goldfinch who will shove like a tank.
    I confess that I constantly felt fear during fights, but the fear of losing face made me say with my mouth, from which blood was flowing: "Come on." Because I knew that tomorrow everyone in the area would know that I broke down, got cold feet. And this for me was a greater fear than the fear of losing consciousness from a kick on the head. The phrase "never be afraid of anything", in my opinion, all Kazakhs constantly instill in children. I heard this phrase a million times from my father. There was a case in my childhood when I ran away from a fight (they hit me in the face once in the yard) and came home in tears. The father said, "Go back and fight back." And there was a boy who was much older and stronger than me (Tatar Rafik), I went back to the street, wiped away my tears, picked up a stick of some kind and with a cry dispersed the whole company of this Rafik home. Then, by the way, we made friends with him) And then his father came to my father to meet and drink for the children)
    Later, being a "starshak", he himself screwed up the regional goldfinches, urging them to get into fights in front of my eyes, so that our boys learn to overcome the feeling of fear in the presence of their elders. A cruel system, but it forges good guys with a core out of domestic boys. All my hooligans are friends of nowadays directors of something. All the goldfinches from the area who were taught to get into fights ("go fuck that passer-by") now have good positions, despite their usual origins.
    My best friend Dimka - with whom we are still friends - was my number one enemy. They did not digest each other, which eventually turned into a good scuffle. And in the end, our families themselves became friends, including parents, grandmothers and now children.
    Kazakhs are a pugnacious nation in essence. Now a lot of Kazakh young people study abroad (only according to the state program, up to 2000 schoolchildren and students are sent to the best universities of the world every year) and almost everywhere, Kazakhs were noted as fighters. In South Korea, I myself once fought. With a Kazakh. On the bus)))) Hooked up word for word)))) As a result, the rams. Even the Koreans called the police. But then I was already a civil servant))) As a result, I still keep photographs of where I am on the shores of the Sea of ​​Japan with a blanche under my eye) And after that fight, I started talking to the Kazakh in friendly terms) Kazakh nature - to fight and then make peace quickly.
    By the way, maybe this is a really "bad approach", but in our army, what horse-radish Caucasian will write on the back of Kazakhs "Dagestan" or "Chechnya". For some reason, people of Caucasian nationality are very polite and delicate in communication)))
    In short, I see nothing wrong with fights. This is part of the education system. And if tomorrow, God forbid, war, then this skill will again allow us to survive and win. There are no other skills for victory. Even in modern warfare.
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 17: 30
    +2
    Yes, those who were weaker in spirit were oppressed in childhood. Grandmas were constantly taking pictures, things were taken away. Those who obediently did it - those and spread rot. And whoever got into a fight - after getting it in the neck, received respect from the victors. In Russia, the definitions are sometimes confused and they call it "they only respect strength," in fact, they respect "strength of mind." You can be physically frail, but if you don’t point glasses, don’t turn on the back, it means “the boy is even” and there are no complaints about him. And it doesn't matter that he is rather weak in a fight. This is nonsense, tomorrow he will go to karate and begin to twist mawashi))) And who is cowardly, no kyu or dan will help against an insolent goldfinch who will shove like a tank.
    I confess that I constantly felt fear during fights, but the fear of losing face made me say with my mouth, from which blood was flowing: "Come on." Because I knew that tomorrow everyone in the area would know that I broke down, got cold feet. And this for me was a greater fear than the fear of losing consciousness from a kick on the head. The phrase "never be afraid of anything", in my opinion, all Kazakhs constantly instill in children. I heard this phrase a million times from my father. There was a case in my childhood when I ran away from a fight (they hit me in the face once in the yard) and came home in tears. The father said, "Go back and fight back." And there was a boy who was much older and stronger than me (Tatar Rafik), I went back to the street, wiped away my tears, picked up a stick of some kind and with a cry dispersed the whole company of this Rafik home. Then, by the way, we made friends with him) And then his father came to my father to meet and drink for the children)
    Later, being a "starshak", he himself screwed up the regional goldfinches, urging them to get into fights in front of my eyes, so that our boys learn to overcome the feeling of fear in the presence of their elders. A cruel system, but it forges good guys with a core out of domestic boys. All my hooligans are friends of nowadays directors of something. All the goldfinches from the area who were taught to get into fights ("go fuck that passer-by") now have good positions, despite their usual origins.
    My best friend Dimka - with whom we are still friends - was my number one enemy. They did not digest each other, which eventually turned into a good scuffle. And in the end, our families themselves became friends, including parents, grandmothers and now children.
    Kazakhs are a pugnacious nation in essence. Now a lot of Kazakh young people study abroad (only according to the state program, up to 2000 schoolchildren and students are sent to the best universities of the world every year) and almost everywhere, Kazakhs were noted as fighters. In South Korea, I myself once fought. With a Kazakh. On the bus)))) Hooked up word for word)))) As a result, the rams. Even the Koreans called the police. But then I was already a civil servant))) As a result, I still keep photographs of where I am on the shores of the Sea of ​​Japan with a blanche under my eye) And after that fight, I started talking to the Kazakh in friendly terms) Kazakh nature - to fight and then make peace quickly.
    By the way, maybe this is a really "bad approach", but in our army, what horse-radish Caucasian will write on the back of Kazakhs "Dagestan" or "Chechnya". For some reason, people of Caucasian nationality are very polite and delicate in communication)))
    In short, I see nothing wrong with fights. This is part of the education system. And if tomorrow, God forbid, war, then this skill will again allow us to survive and win. There are no other skills for victory. Even in modern warfare.
  • Hleb
    Hleb 14 June 2013 17: 49
    +2
    I myself have grown so much and much of what has been written, including supporting Aksakal. And they are growing in the Caucasus. And that is why it was surprising to me why Caucasians are afraid in the same army ??? but
    Later, being a "starshak", he himself screwed up the district goldfinches, urging them to get into fights in front of my eyes
    that's why I endured more than one jaw. I beat hard. I broke the bones of your brother (it's not about nationality at all) but about those who played off and strained. It didn't matter to me whether the kid was a sucker or not, but if I saw how the kid was sent to give birth to a bubble, in front of everyone, he lowered the sender and he turned out to be below the "line" which he determined five minutes ago.
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 18: 32
    0
    Quote: Gleb
    that's why I made more than one jaw. I harshly beat. I broke the bones of your brother (it’s not about nationality at all), but about those who pitted and strained.

    Yes, it took ugly forms. What was - what was. And they dabbled in gop-stop and did other idiotic things. But maybe such a tough upbringing helped to find a core for many guys who learned to overcome their fears? And in the end it turned into the fact that the country is now working as one team? I do not want to return to these stupid years, but I believe that in part, these mores helped the nation survive in the most difficult conditions. When the zh.pa comes, the nation must turn into eagles, predators in order to mobilize all its internal reserves to achieve national goals. And when a nation reaches a certain level of security and satiety, then you can relax and lead a philistine lifestyle. Because it is impossible to constantly be in tension and "break records" on the verge of nervous exhaustion - the nation will not stand this and will self-destruct. And we cannot self-destruct - after all, so many tasty horses have not been eaten! laughing
  • aksakal
    aksakal 14 June 2013 19: 44
    +1
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    Yes, it took ugly forms. What was - was. And they dabbled in a gop-stop and did other idiotic things. But perhaps, such a tough upbringing helped many boys who learned to overcome their fears to gain a pivot? But in the end it turned into the fact that the country is now working as a team?

    - I’m sure, before the transitional age, the kid should buckle. Should not, but obliged !!!! Of course, without any bricks and other stitching, cutting, heavy. With bare hands. Before the transitional age, they have a weight of 35-40 pounds, they will not do anything serious to each other. After adolescence, due to physiology, muscle mass sharply increases, boys begin to weigh as much as 60, or even 70 pounds, you need to limit your son’s fights, because it’s already completely unsafe. After the transitional age, the boy should already be interested in other things. Those that have recently stopped wearing bows. So nature created, why break the natural course of things?
  • aksakal
    aksakal 14 June 2013 20: 08
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Although the committee of soldiers' mothers disagree with me.

    - The Committee of Soldiers' Mothers is needed, so that it would not be hard excesses and outright lawlessness in the Army. But to temper the character, you really need real stress and a real, NON-BATTLE threat (the easiest way is the threat of beating) and the soldier must OVERCOME his fear of this threat! Otherwise, I see no sense in the Army. Why did I look here a week ago, (by the way, I’m proud to inform you that there will be tougher Russian exams, I watched fights that, after all the runs, somehow in Russia are somehow pitiful, patted with gloves, and ours are heartily applied, even with a foot from a U-turn) he takes the exams for maroon, why is the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers not rebelling here?
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 22: 08
    +2
    By the way, yes - Kazakhstan's maroon berets pass a tougher exam than Russians or Ukrainians. Sam himself posted several materials on this topic in the internet.
    General Umitbek Sanabaev (passed away a few years ago) worked out the rules of surrender for the rattle. Oh, the general was a heroic physique. Even the voice was batyr. A healthy, powerful man. He could put five on the palm and slam the other hand. Smart, demanding commander. I never let myself go, and I didn’t let others relax. Therefore, it is not surprising that he made the most stringent rules in the CIS for ratchets.
    The current Commander-in-Chief of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Ruslan Zhaksylykov, is a rattle, therefore he also strictly follows the iron order in the troops and pays special attention to the fact that the ratchets remained the pride of the VV-officers.
    When you look at how the applicant fights for berets with the nettles, you really see a very tough fight. I have a bunch of friends who could not pass this particular part of the exam. And you can’t say that they are dohliks or cowards. On the contrary, they have an abundance of these qualities, but a little something was not enough before the beret. In the wrenches really only the best fighters pass. And I would have cut off at the first stage, so they cause me a sense of admiration.
  • Hleb
    Hleb 15 June 2013 05: 13
    0
    Kazakhstan's maroon berets pass a tougher exam than Russians

    Marek, if we are talking about "Berkut", then it is not right here. Absolutely the same test. At least it was. I don’t know how today (or Kazakhs increased the sparring time to 10 minutes with 10 fighters))
    and so there were cases when they died after sparring.
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 14 June 2013 11: 50
    +3
    Quote: aksakal
    WE BOUGHT !!!!

    Rig on.
    Quote: aksakal
    We divided in Almaty by districts

    But we did not share and there were no battles.
    Minus substantiated I think. Everywhere it was different.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 14 June 2013 12: 08
      -2
      Quote: baltika-18
      Minus substantiated I think. Everywhere it was different.
      - Ok, you're not from St. Petersburg and not from Kazan. Yes, your city is an indicator of the entire USSR laughing By the way, we were also taken to another film for educational purposes - Dinara Asanova's film "Boys". To us, he also seemed to overly diminish our then mores. I only liked the sound track about the horse. Presumably, Asanova also invented all this, and all this did not exist in the USSR? laughing So what city are you from? Are you serious? being 15-year-old boys, went bowing to each other, raising their hats? If you are from London, do not discuss the subject matter, you have no idea about it! am Talk about your childhood in London.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 14: 58
        +3
        The Almaty youth was remembered by me as a string of endless fights in blood, and even to death. Everything was. I myself wandered with the Kent along the evening streets, pestering passers-by, and often taking away something of value. And sometimes he ran into a gop-stop with a scuffle.
        Some of the episodes that I now remember are sheer extreme cruelty, but at that time she did not cause any disgust in us. During fights, a large cobblestone turned someone's face into a mess, they kicked the lying ones (yes, so that "so that blood remained on the sneakers" - like chic). Constant showdowns in the districts, fights with cops (automatic weapons were taken from the PPS-nicknames and thrown onto the roof - and this despite the fact that my father then commanded these soldiers; but I essay hid it, I liked to ram). Now I am calm, balanced, I will think a hundred times before getting involved in a conflict, but then it was all easier - "Hit first!", Even if someone accidentally hit you with his shoulder on the sidewalk path.
        And I also remember how the boutiques were robbed in broad daylight ... I write this and I laugh - did I eat it?))) Vodka felled almost every other day in the BotSada or VDNKh (in the same place, heifers were smoked on the spot) .
        If, then, our country did not bend, now even more so. So Aksakal is absolutely right.
        By the way, my childhood began in Orenburg. Alma-Ata did not reach such cruelty, but nevertheless, life there did not seem raspberry on the streets at all. Fights were constantly, including on ethnic grounds (Kazakhs + Tatars + Bashkirs against Russians). But on the other hand, there were more alcoholics and homeless people on the streets there than in the southern capital of Kazakhstan.
        In Soviet times, unfortunately, I was neither in Artek, nor in Red Square, nor simply in the "bright, good-natured, humane city of the USSR." Che, my parents drove me only to crime-generating "worker-peasant" cities))))
        Z.Y. Koktem, Paranoid, Kizy, Arbat, Drum, Tatar, Yellow Yard, Caliphate, Compote, etc. Eeeh, nostalgia))) Although I do not think that I would have had the courage now to go there in a time machine)))))
      2. Denis
        Denis 14 June 2013 17: 48
        +2
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        lying were kicked (yes, so that the blood remained on the sneakers - like chic)
        It always happened, fights once at a time or the crowd against the crowd, but now lying speed was kicking, their own would be presented
        Probably because the sneaker was not there then
      3. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 19: 24
        0
        Quote: Denis
        It always happened, fights once at a time or the crowd against the crowd, but now lying speed was kicking, their own would be presented

        Yes, it seems like everyone knew that they didn’t beat the speed bump, but in fact it often happened that they beat him until he was completely resistant. Well, maybe it still plays a role that in our country the people who are still continuing to try to fight. As far as I remember, it was seldom when it was that someone completely cringed and asked for mercy. Usually the muzzle is in the blood, the clothes are torn, can no longer stand, and when lying down it beats off and swears.
        Once I was only cruelly kicked in a lying state, when I had already received a concussion and could not fight. With cops in Botswana hooked. Trying to get up, but it doesn’t work like a drunk, the body does not listen completely, as if someone else’s, they kick me in the face with mug, but I still try to wave my hands and whisper that I will kill them. He couldn’t fight with his feet - he didn’t feel them.
        We have a recumbent one - anyway a brawler.
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 14 June 2013 16: 29
    +1
    Quote: aksakal
    Ok, you’re not from St. Petersburg and not from Kazan.

    I am from the Ivanovo Region. Born in 1965; I lived in Ivanovo, in Nizhny Novgorod (Gorky), from 1989 to 2001 in Siberia, Sayansk, Irkutsk Oblast. Everywhere is different. Everything depends on the leadership and the district police departments. Not in my memory such as yours. Of course there were small skirmishes, but such that what would be wall to wall .... I don’t remember.
  • aksakal
    aksakal 14 June 2013 16: 48
    0
    Quote: baltika-18
    He lived in Ivanovo,

    - I thought that in the Baltic. They have been different all their lives. True, it was unlikely that such customs were in Ivanovo either, it was not a city of men and grooms, it was another city. Or I'm wrong? Well, if you lived in this city, why should I speak honestly for other cities - I received well in St. Petersburg yards, went to judo and removed the problem.
    Remember why karate was banned? Is it because this martial art has fallen on fertile soil? Where did you immediately fall in love with this type of single combat and immediately applied it to business? It is so? That's what you deny that SKIF is outraged and “here for 10 rubles!”, But I don't accept this particular point. I didn't see anything dramatic, because I saw it often in the USSR. But now it is such an emergency! We must go hang ourselves! laughing
    Well, other points - I listed in the posts.
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 14 June 2013 20: 18
    0
    Quote: aksakal
    - I thought that in the Baltic.

    Urgent in the Baltic states, here intuition did not disappoint you.
  • Hleb
    Hleb 14 June 2013 14: 57
    +1
    We divided districts in Almaty, battles between districts were extremely fierce
    well, it really was like that in Kazakhstan. the district was on the district. the village was on the village. moreover, they went out to fight in the villages from small to large. fought and chains and a billiard ball could be snatched in the forehead.
    in the city I go in the evening from classes:
    - have a smoke?
    -no
    -and where are you from?
    from Cheryomushki
    -patsanyyyy, beat himooooooo ....
  • FC SKIF
    14 June 2013 13: 18
    +2
    Well, yes, intelligence and upbringing, which is very much connected with culture, is in short supply, and that's what they can do.
  • FC SKIF
    14 June 2013 13: 16
    +2
    About the phenotype with irony responded from Kazakhstan. It is strange that not from Russia, Ukraine and Belarus.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 15: 18
      +2
      Do not be offended, Skiff. From the point of view of the Kazakh, phenotypes, religions, national prejudices and other things are incomprehensible troubles.
      And Kazakhs do not feel that "everything is gone." On the contrary, Kazakhs are firmly convinced that everything is already getting better. I understand that you were targeting a reader from Russia, ethnic Russians, but Kazakhs from Kazakhstan habitually grow wheat and read Russian-language articles. And the phrase "everything is bad in Russia" is automatically perceived as "everything is bad in Kazakhstan." And in KZ there is no panic. This is why we have cognitive dissonance)))
      We started from one position, but over 20 years, the perception of the Kazakhs and Russian Russians began to differ slightly in terms of optimism. Kazakhs are convinced that today is better than yesterday, and tomorrow it will be even better than today, and in Russia a significant number of people suffer from phantom pains and are anxious about the future.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 14 June 2013 15: 49
        +2
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        Kazakhs are convinced that today is better than yesterday, and tomorrow it will be even better than today, and in Russia a significant mass of people

        - if compared with the 90s with the then hyperinflation and the subsequent change of currencies from ruble to tenge - the current state is just heaven. laughing Optimism is justified.
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        and in Russia, a significant mass of people suffer from phantom pains and are anxious about the future.

        - I think the difference here is that the Kazakhs have not lost the status of a great nation, they never had such a status, and probably never will. We didn’t lose anything, but we tried to swim on our own - and we seem to be swimming. And the Russians have not lost the status of a great nation, but for some reason they think that they have lost, who inspired them to do this is incomprehensible. Hence all this whining - here we are not talking about "what ladies smoke", here we are talking about the sublimated pain of losing the status of a great power, despite the fact that such a loss has never happened. Everything under Russia, with the exception of some, albeit large, but non-fatal and completely recoverable losses - everything remained the same. There was a certain loss of political weight in the 90s, so it all comes back. And the best proof is the same saved Syria. I don’t know from what that to experience pain and anxiously look into the future?
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 19: 30
          +2
          And you can’t argue after all)))
  • FC SKIF
    14 June 2013 13: 14
    +1
    It’s not evening yet, we have only kids running in the morning. I don’t argue, there are clean and well-groomed yards ... local grandmothers there regularly cut down shops or smear them with something, they call the police, the men drive the drunkards.
  • Joker
    Joker 14 June 2013 14: 57
    +2
    Released. I listened. I looked around. I heard nothing reprehensible.

    Repeat the same on Saturday after 23-00 laughing In the article of course everything is piled up in a pile, but everything is true.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 14 June 2013 20: 15
      0
      Quote: Joker
      Repeat the same thing on Saturday after 23-00 laughing. In the article, of course, everything is dumped in a heap, but everything is true

      - I will refuse tomorrow specially from the usual gatherings with beer and billiards and walk through the yard for a walk. I see that obscene - I’ll tell you, something was intriguing laughing
  • Z.A.M.
    Z.A.M. 14 June 2013 09: 21
    +9
    Quote: cartridge
    The article is written according to the principle "one woman said" + her own paid speculations.

    I do not agree with you.
    Article plus. Yes, it hurts, to see all this, to hear, and even more so to realize. I rather realized that the author is going through the article as a cry of the soul. I have a similar understanding of what happened and is happening.

    Quote: cartridge
    Normal Russian people know why such propaganda is needed.

    Well. You are normal, but I and the author, apparently not. Yes, and what is the propaganda?

    Handshake to the author. And you neither "-" nor "+". All the same - opinion ...
    1. FC SKIF
      14 June 2013 13: 21
      +2
      Explain what I am promoting here. I wrote what I see from my window, from the TV. What's wrong?
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 14 June 2013 14: 51
        -1
        Quote: FC Skif
        Explain what I am promoting here. I wrote what I see from my window, from the TV. What's wrong?

        Read Vladimir Rostislavovich Medinsky if you do not understand what harm you bring with such articles. However, I think you are doing everything deliberately, you are an enemy of Russia and the time will come to you "according to wartime."
        1. FC SKIF
          14 June 2013 14: 59
          0
          I really like his "Myths ...", I listen to his interviews with pleasure. In my article, it seems to me, I touched on an interesting topic (at the expense of subsidizing patriotic books by analogy with movies)
  • FC SKIF
    14 June 2013 13: 11
    +3
    Tell me, where is the box office to receive money for anti-Russian propaganda. If you do not write here, then "Surkin propaganda", then an agent of the State Department. What, do not you see - section "opinion", it means that I have such an opinion and the vision of the surrounding world is appropriate.
    Quote: cartridge
    A familiar Uzbek tells ...
    Recently, a friend of our family ...
    Familiar janitor ...

    The thoughts, words and deeds of people familiar to me are a valuable source of information for me. More valuable than someone’s vicious comments.
    1. Joker
      Joker 14 June 2013 17: 28
      +1
      Tell me, where is the ticket office for getting money for anti-Russian propaganda.

      And nowhere, the people do not want to perceive criticism, that's all. How do you say bad, immediately agent hi
      1. FC SKIF
        14 June 2013 17: 43
        +1
        The most interesting thing is that I am an optimist and I believe that the curve will take us out of the swamp. You can reread my "Russia is a refuge" and "Regatta on rusted ships". It just became painful: so many gopots around, rudeness, thugs of all kinds, stupid types of comedy shows and pseudo-historical books and films (in a broad sense, this is all culture / anti-culture) that I decided to speak out. And then the defenders of the Motherland flew, and stood up to defend it.
  • Ishtan
    Ishtan 14 June 2013 14: 18
    +1
    Quote: cartridge
    The article is written according to the principle "one woman said" + her own paid speculations.

    I disagree. I am 18, and I claim that the article is completely true. Of course, not all young people are like that. But the percentage is significant. And walking with the girl in the evening Khabarovsk, I have to tell her that "if something starts, run immediately and without looking back." Like this.
    1. Denis
      Denis 14 June 2013 17: 54
      +2
      Quote: Ishtan
      walking with a girl in the evening Khabarovsk, I have to tell her that "if something starts, run immediately and without looking back."
      Yes, things haven’t changed for the better. To get to the guy with the girl, as well as to kick the recumbent, was zapadlo
      They would not respect their own
      Sadly
  • domokl
    domokl 14 June 2013 08: 27
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    I looked in there and immediately ran back hi

    Hi Hi lol I saw you there ... Only you arrived in the wrong country ... Well, like a locomotive on the wrong track .. You had to read the name of the station-Russia ... And you rolled it to the United States
    1. Hon
      Hon 14 June 2013 08: 45
      0
      Quote: domokl
      Hello hello lol I saw you there ... Only you arrived in the wrong country ... Well, like a locomotive on the wrong track .. You had to read the name of the station-Russia ... And you rolled it to the USA

      Have you been to the United States to say that? And then we love to discuss their lives, while seeing it only on TV.
      As for the yards, I have my own observation. For example, in the city of Balakovo, everything was completely cultural in my yard, if someone in the evening drank on a bench, they cleaned after themselves and did not defecate in the bushes. And in the courtyard where my brother lived, everything was as described by the author, although it was five minutes walk to walk. It all depends on the specific place, everywhere with us it is different.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 10: 08
        +2
        Quote: Hon

        Have you been to the United States to say that?

        My acquaintance lives there, on skype I talked with him, so he repeated the words of Zadornov-Well, stupid .....
        1. itkul
          itkul 14 June 2013 11: 21
          -2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          My acquaintance lives there, on skype I talked with him, so he repeated the words of Zadornov-Well, stupid .....


          Breshet your friend, like a gray gelding. About life in the United States, if interested, you can read here

          http://samsebeskazal.livejournal.com/
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 14 June 2013 14: 53
        0
        Quote: Hon
        It all depends on the specific place, everywhere with us it is different.

        So maybe the author himself is to blame that he has such indecency under the window going on? He tried to get out of order, or at least call the police?
        1. FC SKIF
          14 June 2013 15: 03
          0
          I tried it. I’m just not living in a very good area, every rabble (alcoholics, drug addicts, etc.) is moving here, and normal people are slowly moving to other areas of the city. We’ll move too soon.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 14 June 2013 15: 56
            0
            Quote: FC Skif
            I tried it. I’m just not living in a very good area, every rabble (alcoholics, drug addicts, etc.) is moving here, and normal people are slowly moving to other areas of the city. We’ll move too soon.

            So you're just out of luck, I live in the countryside and we don’t have anything like that.
            1. FC SKIF
              14 June 2013 16: 16
              0
              Wow. I myself will soon be a villager. You look that I’ll write another.
  • Papakiko
    Papakiko 14 June 2013 09: 16
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    I looked in there and immediately ran back

    Alexander.
    How vulgar, this is not ours, it is in their post-apocalyptic fantasies.
    Everything will be fine with us.
    With our eyes, their apocalypse looks like this:
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 10: 08
      0
      Quote: Papakiko
      How vulgar, this is not ours, it is in their post-apocalyptic fantasies.

      Yes, Domocles already told me that I looked in the wrong country laughing
  • FC SKIF
    14 June 2013 13: 05
    0
    Are you proposing to sing "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise"?
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 14 June 2013 13: 53
      +2
      Quote: FC Skif
      Suggest to sing "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise"

      Also to dance boogie-woogie, and not to be limited to "marquise".
      Live to the utmost!
      Raise children, take care of close relatives, give women flowers, smiles. To go to nature (just not to crap) to relax, for example, on Lena Pillars or on Lake Baikal.
      And so on and so on. good
  • Denis
    Denis 14 June 2013 06: 32
    +1
    the return to Russia of millions of economic Russian-speaking migrants and their children
    About Russian speakers, at least someone believes, or more so someone is waiting?
    Not for this we need ravshan jamshuts to go to libraries
    I didn’t want to read further, but I read it
    Did the author open his eyes to something? No, the problems are known. And it’s a common misfortune to talk about problems (and that’s why they are not solved) without trying to propose a solution
    1. FC SKIF
      14 June 2013 13: 24
      0
      You can consider this article as a prologue to the question "what to do"
      1. Denis
        Denis 14 June 2013 17: 30
        +2
        Quote: FC Skif
        You can consider this article as a prologue to the question "what to do"
        Three eternal questions:
        Who is to blame?
        What to do?
        How much will they give

        If there is a prologue, then there must be a question. I will gladly read the answer
        1. FC SKIF
          14 June 2013 17: 44
          0
          It will be difficult to write, but I will try.
  • Fox
    Fox 14 June 2013 06: 38
    +4
    Well, I have not read books in the library for a long time ... they wrote good ones, but the memories of the sword bear are not interesting to me, as well as the "pearls" by Marina. The director of the library said that they give money and a list of "necessary" books. That's what they buy. , moreover, a book of 400 pages and a price of 600 rubles is the norm. I wonder what is the cost? the youngsters at the entrances on the benches (while they lived in the city) were brought up regularly. young people have changed a lot for the good - the main thing is to educate ON TIME. so that the majority depends on ourselves, on our attitude to this, indifference gives rise to impunity and marginalism.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 14 June 2013 14: 58
      +1
      Quote: Fox
      Yes, still, a book of 400 pages and a price of 600 rubles is the norm. I wonder what the cost price is?

      Read in electronic form, on the Internet you can download the book cheaply, but you can also find it for free.
  • fenix57
    fenix57 14 June 2013 06: 40
    13
    Hello! +++. There is such a thing in Russia ... So after all, to object to the obvious, the hand will not rise (on the keyboard-finger). To reduce the broadcasting of such popular TV channels, performances on ALL channels of all these pdodemoliberals ... so everything is in "private hands" - they will grow up. AND MAYBE "IRON CURTAIN" - so now there is a big UTOPIA, rather than COMMUNISM. CSKA is a well-known abbreviation and foreigners (blacks in the composition) SOMETHING does not fit!
    1. Hon
      Hon 14 June 2013 08: 36
      +2
      Quote: fenix57
      CSKA is an abbreviation known and foreigners (blacks in the lineup) somehow do not fit! ...

      This is the officers of the Russian army)))
      1. ale-x
        ale-x 14 June 2013 10: 33
        0
        Why are you minus Hon. He says everything correctly - they are "officers".
  • Konsmo
    Konsmo 14 June 2013 07: 11
    +9
    The author is hung up.
    Everything is bad with him. There are such people, we had at work, after communication with which there is always a negative, one nudezh. And all this was noticed. The mood always fell after communicating with such.
    They do not concede to pregnant women, this is where I have never seen before, I have less 50, but sometimes the girls jump up, they invite me to sit in the subway, it’s not even convenient. fool
    They don’t read books. After a quarter of the subway car, they hold electronic books in their hands or tablets. They read some weirdoes that I have not heard about, but there has always been a fashion for writers.
    Two thousand years ago they wrote the same thing that the young people had already passed, were not respectful of the elderly, did not study, did not like their homeland, and so on.
    Smiled under the balcony yelling. Sam or something in his youth after porteshchek with the girls did not squeeze at the entrance. Then what are you worth. And you will spread your nudezh here.
    Read the first line.
    1. karate
      karate 14 June 2013 07: 56
      10
      They hugged, but did not yell. And they did not express obscenities with the girls, the author is right, and he should not hang himself, rather, those who approve of this should be hanged.
      1. Konsmo
        Konsmo 14 June 2013 13: 26
        +3
        Everything happened. I remember a friend came from a business trip to the GDR, brought all kinds of German liquors, banana, citrus exotic shorter. We were 25-27 years old. Drunk. The heat was opened by the windows for plowing. And gradually our folk began to sing songs. After non-metchina. it’s the most. A friend was there for 3 months. In short, the Brandenburg Gate behind ...
        We look at 4 in the morning the doorbell rings. The policeman. The guys say they sing songs well but loudly, turn the sound down. And we didn’t even notice. By the way, guys with higher education. They were just young and did not even notice the time.
        And now when there are no friends nearby and in age. It seems that young people are courageous.
        But in fact, everything is fine. drinks
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 14 June 2013 11: 43
      +2
      Quote: Konsmo
      The author is hung up.

      Consmo, respect! Good observation ... laughing Sometimes the iron horse breaks, you have to go to work on public transport. So too - I'll look at what girl, she just liked it by eye, well, I'm a man, there's nothing you can do ... But the little girl does not understand this look, jumps up like "sit down, agay!" I didn't mean it at all, when I looked, I thought about something else !!! laughing And then I have my age in the nose ...- (((. They give way, even as they give way!
      About crimping - what’s this? There will be more children ... Very few of them have become in the yards, already out of despair, a 13-year-old dunce walks and plays in the same company with a seven-year-old, because there is no one with him. It was like that for us - a year younger, that's all, go goldfinch from here, play elsewhere and don’t write in my pot. Because peers even had enough to drive into football, into the Cossacks-robbers. So let them squeeze and make children, but more
    3. FC SKIF
      14 June 2013 13: 26
      +1
      Quote: Konsmo
      The author is hung up.
      Everything is bad with him. There are such people, we had at work, after communication with which there is always a negative, one nudezh. And all this was noticed. The mood always fell after communicating with such.
      They do not concede to pregnant women, this is where I have never seen before, I have less 50, but sometimes the girls jump up, they invite me to sit in the subway, it’s not even convenient.
      They don’t read books. After a quarter of the subway car, they hold electronic books in their hands or tablets. They read some weirdoes that I have not heard about, but there has always been a fashion for writers.
      Two thousand years ago they wrote the same thing that the young people had already passed, were not respectful of the elderly, did not study, did not like their homeland, and so on.
      Smiled under the balcony yelling. Sam or something in his youth after porteshchek with the girls did not squeeze at the entrance. Then what are you worth. And you will spread your nudezh here.
      Read the first line.

      I can not stand people with the position of an ostrich.
  • Hleb
    Hleb 14 June 2013 07: 12
    10
    Judge of sale, k.oz.e.l. you (s) Kadyrov

    yes ... we got sick hoo



    1. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 14 June 2013 07: 53
      +6
      It’s a horror, of course, from childhood I played soccer and hockey, and did not suspect that it’s possible to root for football so militantly, here people with young children go to HOCKEY as a holiday, but there is a problem with FOOTBALL, although HOCKEY is a very aggressive sport and dynamic - and the culture of the fans MORE ... I don’t understand the reason ... such a sporting incident ...
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 14 June 2013 08: 01
        +4
        Football in this regard was not close to hockey. The most harsh words from the stands are usually "urge him" if there is a fight or a clash. Or the judge is booed. There are, of course, harsher statements, but usually people themselves pull boorish, because many go with children .there are certainly no such banners as in football and I think they will not be in the near future
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 14 June 2013 08: 29
          +8
          Big football has long ceased to be a sport. This is a commercial project. And boors and freaks at all times were enough. The paper format is increasingly inferior to the electronic one. I bought an electronic book for my daughters. Now they download the necessary educational and fiction literature and do not have to shuffle into the library. Moreover, in the rural library there is really nothing. There are enough problems with culture and education, but this is not a reason for whining and despondency. And a reason to think and take something useful to read.
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 14 June 2013 08: 52
            +2
            Today, all big sport is a commercial project. The same KHL (Putin's brainchild) and pro boxing, tennis, basketball, etc. ... and there is much less such rudeness
            and tell me, “could you see similar banners in the 80s?” there were enough such boors in the CCCP? I won’t believe it.
            By the way, if anyone is interested in the budgets of clubs and in the columns the number of club players receiving salaries in rubles (per season) .KHL. almost all sports today are commercial
      2. Denis
        Denis 14 June 2013 08: 53
        +6
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        I don’t understand the reason ... such a sporting incident ...
        I remember when my dad took me to football, it was the 70s, they whistled and shouted, it seemed to me that the stands were raging. But no one hung banners, they didn’t throw firecrackers and they didn’t beat each other's muzzles after the match. . Something slipped through the media about Western football hooligans, but where are they and where are we ...
        Guess where the stink pulled?

        ZY teams would not have fan clubs and all the rubbish around them, but adopt the style of playing from western clubs
        1. Hon
          Hon 14 June 2013 08: 57
          0
          Quote: Denis
          Guess where the stink pulled?

          So we are Russian as children, we quickly learn bad things. Although they could learn good things from them.
  • keeper
    keeper 14 June 2013 07: 14
    +5
    It is not for nothing that the media is an information weapon of mass destruction and propaganda. For 20 years, slinging and fooling has done its job. As you know, the State Department determines the repertoire and system of media ratings. The system is configured for this. Unfortunately, everything is natural. I hope after a series of correct measures: "The Law of Dima Yakovlev", "The Law on Foreign Agents", the dismissal of key agents of influence such as Surkov, they will take up the formation of a national system of ratings for the media. From this moment the countdown of a new stage in the "Age of Enlightenment" and the restoration of cultural potential will begin.
  • a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 14 June 2013 07: 22
    0
    Again some whiner. To see sclerosis in an aphthora - and 50 years ago, people came off at the end of the week and urinated where it was impatient. Specially calculated - for 4 of the year I read 325 books, but in electronic form-
    it will be cheaper. And reading in transport is very harmful, although the tablet is always with you.
    1. FC SKIF
      14 June 2013 13: 31
      +3
      Yeah, the people were kinder and more honest, we still leave the keys under the rugs and the children in the schools of teachers do not send letters to 3. Something I say on our time, on modern society. Sorry - sorry.
  • fenix57
    fenix57 14 June 2013 07: 27
    -4
    Quote: Konsmo
    They don’t read books, but already a quarter of the subway car holds e-books or tablets

    AND WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW READ, SO INTEREST ... As for, with my BELL (my point of view), the book is not SIMPLE (a set of beeches !!!) the text, this is what this book lived up to you, THERE IS SOUL IN A BOOK-BOOK! And IN ELECTRONAL CARRIERS, TEXT, laid down by the PROGRAMMER is soulless .. hi
    1. Curculum
      Curculum 14 June 2013 08: 14
      +3
      Quote: fenix57
      the book is not SIMPLE (a set of beeches !!!) the text, this is what this book lived up to you

      A book is an inanimate object, therefore, it can only "live" figuratively.
      The book is one of the ways or the carrier of the transmission of thoughts and judgments of a person, expressed in the form of letters, signs and drawings. No animal has ever thought of such a thing. But, as progress develops, other transmission methods are used, and there is nothing wrong with that. Otherwise - you can return to birch bark or cave paintings - but this is stupid.
      And the "soul" is (or not) in the text itself, that is, in those thoughts and reasoning that the author (s) expresses through the formation of the specified text. And let it be in electronic form - the meaning of what is written will not change, the programmer is "out of business" here. Another thing is the perception of this meaning by the reader, everything depends on it.
      Although, of course, some "individuals" like pictures more, "glossiness", but such text and, consequently, meaning - up to one place, be it on paper or in electronic form, they have monkey instincts prevail. bully
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 14 June 2013 15: 07
      +2
      Quote: fenix57
      AND WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW READ, SO INTEREST ... With regards to my BELL (my point of view), a book is not SIMPLE (a set of beeches !!!) text, this is what this book lived before you, IN IT THE BOOK OF SOUL IS THERE! And IN ELECTRONIC CARRIERS-TEXT, laid down by the PROGRAMMER soullessness ..

      Are you probably a book maker? So lobby.
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  • Hleb
    Hleb 14 June 2013 07: 34
    +8
    why did you read more before? because there was also a certain vacuum. we had three channels in the region - the first, the fifth and the twelfth, where most of the airtime was shown some kind of congress of the CPSU, plenary sessions, ballet. waited a week "visiting a fairy tale" or "good night kids" in the evenings and there weren't so many films (but what kind!). Not to mention entertainment programs. Today there is Internet, cable, e-books and satas like VO. Of course, they will not read books anymore. for example, today I read books mainly in transport-plane or train. you go for several days on the train and there is nothing left. how to read. that's on such a train we lived before, where the choice after work was sports, books or some kind of Central Committee congress Communist Party.
    although Russia still reads a lot
    1. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 14 June 2013 08: 55
      +1
      Ha. Your thought about the train reminded me of V. Pilevin’s novel 12,
      ________________________________________________________________________
      “I understand,” said Andrei. - How not to understand. Listen, have you ever thought where we are coming from? Where does this train come from?

      “No,” Khan said. “This is not particularly interesting to me.” I am interested to know how to get off it. You ask the conductors. They will explain to you where it comes from.

      “Yes,” Andrei said thoughtfully, “they will explain, that's for sure.”
      _________________________________________________________________________
  • a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 14 June 2013 07: 35
    -2
    And they read who likes it. Or do you propose the classics of Marxism-Leninism in a particularly perverse
    read with a report on the senior read every week on the porch?
  • North
    North 14 June 2013 07: 37
    +3
    Useless nagging, mixed with bullshit.
    The author's literary style has not gone far from the provocative style of NTV-eshnyh journalists with their "scandals-intrigues-investigations"
    t ;.

    Although nonsense in some places even amused:

    1.
    a German doctor who examined girls aged 16-20 years stolen from the USSR in Germany decided to appeal to Hitler with an appeal to immediately begin peace negotiations with our country. He was surprised that 90% of the girls were virgins, and he wrote to Hitler that it was impossible to defeat a people with such high morality.
    - I wonder where this article comes from, from British scientists. If he sent a letter to Hitler, then for a short time he had only to feel the Russian virgins.

    2.
    I wonder if there is a relationship between attitudes toward virginity (the morality of the people) and the scale of their military victories?
    - Here it is - a topic for a doctoral dissertation of my dreams.

    3.
    Interestingly, did they read Crime and Punishment?
    , - maybe they listened to Shura Karetny, he famously retell Crime and Punishment.

    Oh, and if only funny moments came across, in some places nagging annoys with a completely inadequate presentation, the author then shows not very strong awareness of the issues he is considering, he simply carries nonsense.

    4.
    immediately remembered the film "I am a legend"
    - Th, really hooked filmets ?, what then do you read on the buses?

    5.
    really catchy, start somewhere with 300 rubles
    , - https://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/5140495/, https://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/5525060/, https://www.ozon.ru/ context / detail / id / 6495254 /, - it seems not very expensive, and all this from the largest online store, in the less developed you can find cheaper. And from myself I’ll add, if the booklet is solid, then thousands of rubles are not a pity for it.

    6.
    If we want to become HOLD
    - Our country is not the worst country anyway, and if there are fewer whiners, and there are more people with a working head and hands, it will be even better.
    1. FC SKIF
      14 June 2013 13: 34
      +2
      Quote: North
      Although nonsense in some places even amused:

      What a funny person you are, since such a sad topic has amused.
  • Sergey21
    Sergey21 14 June 2013 07: 49
    +1
    What a pity, what a ball the country! Super power!
  • fenix57
    fenix57 14 June 2013 07: 51
    0
    Quote: a.hamster55
    . Or do you propose the classics of Marxism-Leninism in a particularly perverse

    What year of birth, do you know what it isбиблиотека IN LIVE, and not on any site! ... METER OF ELECTRONICS. bully
  • Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 14 June 2013 07: 55
    10
    Gentlemen! Wanted capitalism and democracy "in the Western" way, get it. How to deal with the black machinations of capitalism? Only by overthrowing. Democracy for us is much shittier than socialism. The values ​​are different. Here are the photos of the fans. Football has become commercial, capitalist. Nobody cares about national football. Therefore, Africans taken from trees or Latin Americans caught in the savannah run after the ball. And you don't have to sing that they are here to improve your skills. Whose? Yours? To the hooting of paid "fans" who don't even know the composition of the team. Under socialism, in that life, there were athletes who won on the fields and ice. And now? What interest is it to go to the stadium and look at the migrant workers in the native club of seamen "Chernomorets", when there are football "Tajiks" from all over the Third World, and the owner of the club is a "thimble gig" (they, like the Chekists, are never former).
    Why is dirt surrounding us? The scum became the masters of life. Cynical, unspiritual, arrogant, hypocritical, thievish, deceitful, who recognize only the value of MANI.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 14 June 2013 17: 02
      0
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      That’s why Africans or Latinos caught in the savannah run after the ball.

      - really have fun laughing laughing That with a phenotype chip in the SABZH, it remains only the famous Pasha-face control in the Immigration Service of the Russian Federation, then Africans are caught from trees laughing laughing Why go hunting so far? There are many animals in the Russian mountains, they are called Caucasians. In a neighboring country along the steppes, yummy is also worn laughing Spruce-burns, incorrigible laughing
  • Renat
    Renat 14 June 2013 07: 56
    +9
    First of all, protect your native language. No OK and WOW. Let's start with ourselves. Recently I witnessed a young couple with a child walking. Of all the decent words, the father of the family probably knew only "in" and "on". In response to my comment that you have a child and how you can swear like that in front of him, I learned about myself that I never knew. Moreover, I heard this not from a three-story dad, but it was the young mother who stood up to protect her faithful. Well, what kind of child will they grow up?
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  • treskoed
    treskoed 14 June 2013 08: 06
    +4
    But we have the Bolshoi Theater, the most expensive lectures in the smartest Skolkovo and soon the "golden" Olympics will be!
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  • Egoza
    Egoza 14 June 2013 08: 12
    +7
    I put the article +, because from the author it is already a cry from the heart. Indeed, there are such "hopeless" days that you can howl like a wolf. However, I would like to note that not "everything is lost" (as our Julia once stated on TV) And a lot depends on us. And there is no need to complain about the fact that they read little. You need to act. I already wrote that I taught my granddaughter to read through that very fantasy, and then I slipped her books about our heroes and exploits during the Second World War, now I read it myself and pass it on to my friends. Sometimes you even have to pull up - with a flashlight under the covers he reads! As for the behavior of young people, you just do not need to be indifferent and pass by real disgraces, and sometimes you need to pass by, remembering your youth.
  • Averias
    Averias 14 June 2013 08: 15
    +3
    An article from the category - "everything is gone." I don't know where or how, but in Tyumen, when I go to work, I see many people on the bus with e-books. Both adults and youth. On account of what goes on TV and the comparison with TV in the USSR is absolutely not correct. Since there is nothing to compare with, 3 channels on TV during the Soviet era - what comparison can there be? The only thing that was personally interesting to me at the time was the newsreel "I Want to Know Everything", "Morning Mail", "Kinopanorama" and "International Panorama". And then and now there was a choice - either to watch or not. On the bill, the quote: "I went to the balcony ...", went out to the balcony, looked - everything is decent, mothers with children, teenagers on skateboards and bicycles, in the evening men drink beer neatly, I emphasize - neatly. Mata did not hear, the bottles do not break. In buses, the seats are inferior, no one bursts into the bus with beer. The parks are clean, people have a cultural rest. It seems that the article was written by a person offended at everyone and everything, therefore, he sees only negative everywhere. Forgive me, with all my love for the USSR, and then it was possible to find negativity and rudeness with interest. Life must be accepted as it is, and not constantly seek the extreme.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 14 June 2013 08: 35
      +5
      The author is clearly a complete pessimist. He has the best cognac and always smells like bugs and the glass is half empty. Emphasizing the negative, it is necessary to highlight positive things, so that you can see what to do and what to strive for. If the country in year 41 fell into despondency and dropped its hands, then there would have been no victory in the year 45.
      1. Averias
        Averias 14 June 2013 08: 47
        +1
        Well said ++
        1. Averias
          Averias 14 June 2013 12: 40
          0
          As I understand it, is the author of the article minus? Hypochondria overcame wassat
  • Xmypp
    Xmypp 14 June 2013 08: 38
    +1
    Everyone knows these problems, but 99% of these problems (youth) depend on education. You can gasp and shrug, but the parents of this young are 40-50 years old.
    Question: And where is the education? Why most of the parents who lived during the Soviet Union could not bring up a worthy generation?
    1. Konsmo
      Konsmo 14 June 2013 13: 44
      +2
      Yes, we have normal youth. My nephew 14 years ago, my parents took him abroad. And he finished school there and came to Russia. Not for nothing that we probably spent a long time talking with him when his parents brought me over the weekend. They sat together at the computer and talked. And yesterday he filed his 1 patent on technology in the field of biology. And there are already customers for his work.
      And the nephew in the same place abroad, for the time being, is not only studying for a doctor of sciences but also teaching already.
      And all the same, he says, I’m already tired of everything, I want to go to Moscow.
      Like Chekhov in "Three Sisters" yes
  • rereture
    rereture 14 June 2013 08: 41
    +1
    The price of the book is 60p, the price of a good book is from 100 and above. If the book is good and interesting to me, I will pay at least 1000r.

    and now reading on the bus is not accepted


    I wonder how to read on the bus, for example, at rush hour. In a crush, standing, and even with a bag / bag for the edge ...

    And what percentage of gopnik adherents of chanson, rap

    100% they only listen to it.

    then their sons and grandchildren threw out waste paper so that they didn’t take up places, and their peers would laugh

    Maybe they’ll laugh at class 7, but I don’t believe in 10-11. They read what interests them, not what they force. Interesting student works in the school curriculum once or twice and miscalculated.
    Throw out those books that are not interesting. And who is smarter than downloading and reading.

    Nowadays, a high school student - a virgin, is often a marginal and an outcast, doomed to ridicule.


    Is this conclusion based on American films? Or did the author himself hold a candle at each?

    A familiar Uzbek says that in Bukhara, if a girl smokes, you can safely go and agree on a joint night


    Familiar Uzbek. Many girls smoke, this is bad, but so? I have never seen this (except at the side of the road)
    1. Denis
      Denis 14 June 2013 08: 59
      +3
      Quote: rereture
      The price of the book is 60p, the price of a good book is from 100 and above
      Tell me where? We have 300r and these are those that are not worth picking up
      About the well-illustrated, I generally am silent crying
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 10: 10
      0
      Quote: rereture
      If the book is good and interesting to me, I will pay at least 1000r.

      I will sell good books, the price is 1000 rubles winked
    3. aksakal
      aksakal 14 June 2013 17: 14
      +2
      Quote: rereture
      Familiar Uzbek. Many girls smoke, this is bad, but so? I have never seen this (except at the side of the road)

      - The Uzbeks, so that it would be easier to distinguish a "decent" girl from a "dishonest" girl, just the whole society agreed to make smoking a kind of distinctive and identifying recognition dishonorable. So it happened. Easy and simple, no need to think, when I approached to meet you - will you be able to get you into bed or will you fail? We have no sign of smoking, and therefore an intriguing mystery remains until the last laughing Learn to simplify your life laughing
      And now this Uzbek is transferring his stereotypes to Russia, Kazakhstan, to all countries. laughing It’s hard for the poor fellow, he doesn’t understand anything. It seems to smoke, it seems like you can go up and agree, but then you bummer laughing After all, the sign works in the homeland, but it does not work here. As for the skirts above the knees - the same situation laughing Fidget, but do you smoke? And how about your long skirt? And then we are discussing here, but it would be necessary to listen to just those we are discussing smile It will be more correct
      1. FC SKIF
        14 June 2013 17: 48
        0
        But you must admit, for the health of the nation is a very useful sign. It turns out something like this: a girl who lives like that dragonfly - let it be poisoned with all filth, and the future MOTHER will be healthy. That would be so with us.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 15 June 2013 01: 24
          0
          Quote: FC Skif
          But you must admit, for the health of the nation is a very useful sign. It turns out something like this: a girl who lives like that dragonfly - let it be poisoned with all filth, and the future MOTHER will be healthy. That would be so with us.

          - I agree. IPhone (in Medvedev text) is already working in this direction laughing Recently restricted smoking areas, tomorrow at times will raise the price of cigarettes. Why get upset about this? And you won’t do anything else. Is that to strengthen propaganda - that’s all. Why get upset if something is incorrigible by you?
  • Svarog
    Svarog 14 June 2013 08: 44
    +3
    The author, then give the numbers, if everything is so bad. Article more than half mastered .. She wrote in 98? For a long time there is nothing of this.
    And most of the books have been reading books on computers for a long time. This author, of course, does not mention. It is strange that I wrote an article on my computer, and didn’t send it to the editor by hand.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 14 June 2013 19: 05
      0
      Quote: Svarog
      And most of the books have been reading books on computers for a long time. This author, of course, does not mention. It is strange that I wrote an article on my computer, and did not send it to the editor by hand.

      - For example, I try to read from a special device - my eyes get less tired, I don’t remember what it’s called - the format is smaller than the tablet I’m writing from, about a half times, but the font is exactly like in the book and does not flicker like a tablet, I recommend reading to fans .
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 15 June 2013 07: 23
        0
        Quote: aksakal
        Quote: Svarog
        And most of the books have been reading books on computers for a long time. This author, of course, does not mention. It is strange that I wrote an article on my computer, and did not send it to the editor by hand.

        - For example, I try to read from a special device - my eyes get less tired, I don’t remember what it’s called - the format is smaller than the tablet I’m writing from, about a half times, but the font is exactly like in the book and does not flicker like a tablet, I recommend reading to fans .

        Apparently you mean the e-book, it’s called it :) There the E-ink screen is electronic ink. Now a new generation of this screen has come out, everything is still clearer and more readable, a good thing, but the toad smothers the flow of money to spend it :) But for those who read a lot, I recommend that vision is more expensive
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 14 June 2013 09: 00
    +2
    Reading the pearls of such authors, I immediately recall the classic:
  • DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 14 June 2013 09: 09
    +3
    That we become so to blame ourselves. Is television forbidding my children to read? I could not inculcate an interest in reading to my children, I am to blame for this. To blame the school, the ministers of Putin, Putin himself. I have no right. By the way, Putin and the company can not stand. How can a school be faulty if at home the children see everything completely opposite to what they are taught at school. Teachers are almost the most without rights. How can the boor and rowdy be put in place ... I can’t imagine. And in the army as a commander? Accused of violence. And PARENTS WHERE? Sorry for the confusion.
  • Wild_grey_wolf
    Wild_grey_wolf 14 June 2013 09: 09
    +2
    in my city of Pavlodar, of course, like this, everything disappeared, there’s no such thing,
    but 18 year old Mom with beer and a cigarette and a carriage near the sandbox IS,
    it's true, syringes in mailboxes, and today I was walking behind the car into the parking lot
    a bummy peasant is coming towards, well, how is swimming in the waves somewhere under 9
    so that everything is both good and bad, you just need to read such articles,
    so as not to relax and not forget WHO WE ARE ... and strive for self-improvement
  • rereture
    rereture 14 June 2013 09: 33
    0
    Tell me where? We have 300r and these are those
    which is not worth picking up
    About the well-illustrated, I really
    crying silent


    In a bookstore, in an online store. True, for 60p this is not a book but a sort of literature (for you can only read in the toilet). Illustrations for fiction are not important, many Soviet books were not illustrated at all.
    1. Denis
      Denis 14 June 2013 09: 56
      +1
      Quote: rereture
      Illustrations for fiction are not important
      And if you’re not quite artistic, although you can’t call a professional. I’m talking about such
      "Wings of Russia", and not only the color would not be in the way. Only the price will be ...
  • krez-74
    krez-74 14 June 2013 09: 34
    0
    Sorry, but this is porridge, from the series "give me soap and rope" ...
  • biglow
    biglow 14 June 2013 09: 35
    +1
    reading books is mixed on electronic media and this is normal, although not a single bookstore has closed in our city, even several have opened. And women smoke for physiological reasons, they lack amber acid in the body, and it contains tobacco and seeds
    1. Denis
      Denis 14 June 2013 09: 58
      +1
      Quote: biglow
      women smoke for physiological reasons
      And not Uzbeks, even acquaintances, to judge
      1. biglow
        biglow 14 June 2013 10: 14
        +1
        Quote: Denis
        Quote: biglow
        women smoke for physiological reasons
        And not Uzbeks, even acquaintances, to judge

        Living in Russia in the second generation, all these Uzbeks and others are trying to be no different from the Russians, and they drink and smoke vodka And their young growth becomes the same ..
        1. Denis
          Denis 14 June 2013 10: 48
          +1
          Quote: biglow
          their young growth becomes the same
          It seems and was. I saw how the young guys at the wedding wanted to be encrypted and poured vodaras into the teapot. The truth was noticed by some grandfather and someone with this teapot ogreb. So they wanted, no one forced or persuaded
  • fenix57
    fenix57 14 June 2013 09: 36
    0
    BOOK UNDER THE BEAM OF THE SUN
    Quote: Kurkul
    The book is one of the ways or the carrier of the transmission of thoughts and judgments of a person, expressed in the form of letters, signs and drawings. No animal has ever thought of such a thing. But, as progress develops, other transmission methods are used, and there’s nothing wrong with that

    Correctly transferring letters and figures to the reader, BUT not transferring letters and figures (signs) VIA THE NUMBER! They felt a glance on themselves ... A..Read a BOOK .. A BOOK .. A book is a transfer of thought from the author to the reader, i.e. a soul to the soul ... It is the BOOK in binding!, And not all means of electronic delivery .. .To deceive a BOOK IT IS NOT POSSIBLE - NOT TORNING OUT (HARMING ON THE BEGINNING!), With cp-am electronic, everything is simpler-STER AND FORGOTTEN! hi
    1. biglow
      biglow 14 June 2013 09: 59
      -1
      Quote: fenix57
      BOOK UNDER THE BEAM OF THE SUN
      Quote: Kurkul
      The book is one of the ways or the carrier of the transmission of thoughts and judgments of a person, expressed in the form of letters, signs and drawings. No animal has ever thought of such a thing. But, as progress develops, other transmission methods are used, and there’s nothing wrong with that

      Correctly transferring letters and figures to the reader, BUT not transferring letters and figures (signs) VIA THE NUMBER! They felt a glance on themselves ... A..Read a BOOK .. A BOOK .. A book is a transfer of thought from the author to the reader, i.e. a soul to the soul ... It is the BOOK in binding!, And not all means of electronic delivery .. .To deceive a BOOK IT IS NOT POSSIBLE - NOT TORNING OUT (HARMING ON THE BEGINNING!), With cp-am electronic, everything is simpler-STER AND FORGOTTEN! hi

      you write nonsense, a book is an expression of the author’s thoughts and not a bunch of paper with letters, and it doesn’t matter on which medium these thoughts will be submitted and read.
      Not so long ago, points of view of the history of the book were rare and reading was replaced by collective listening to the text. You listen to electronic sound carriers and look at the picture on the electronic screen. There is not much difference.
      For example, I feel sorry for the trees that translate to paper, so I try not to use paper. That is, any opinion is always biased, although it can be justified by something
    2. Denis
      Denis 14 June 2013 11: 03
      +1
      Quote: fenix57
      It is the BOOK in binding!, And not all means of electronic delivery ...
      And if the newsstand is 50 kilometers away, then you have to go beyond the Moscow Ring Road?
      Yes, and in cities without the same librusek and the same about many works would know only by hearsay
    3. Curculum
      Curculum 14 June 2013 13: 05
      +1
      Quote: fenix57
      Correctly transferring letters and figures to the reader, BUT not transferring letters and figures (signs) VIA THE NUMBER!

      I will not repeat for "biglow", I will add the following to his post: you, dear, mixed together the "type" of information transfer and the "meaning" of the transmitted information, somehow.
      For that matter, to preserve the integrity of the book, there are various types of wrappers and packaging, in addition to this - a certain storage mode is required.
      To save electronic information, there are many file formats with various degrees of encoding and types of media that are not so susceptible to temperature influences.
      I think that in the modern world it is foolish to refuse the achievements of science and technology, it is foolish not to use them for their intended purpose, it is foolish not to develop.
      For example, I urgently need knowledge according to certain standards: based on your convictions, I should go to the reading room of a specialized library and take notes on these standards, how much time will I waste? And if we also take into account a different location, city traffic jams, etc. ... But, using the possibilities of the Internet, 5 minutes (figuratively) is enough for me to receive this information - and what is my "soullessness" expressed in? What have I saved the time and money for getting the information I need? In your case, it will be called "technological backwardness".
      Quote: fenix57
      A book is a transfer of thought from the author to the reader i.e. soul to soul

      So romantic! But if, for example, I read a book bound "mine kamph" by a not unknown "writer", then I am with him "in perfect harmony"? am
      I repeat, but do not confuse the "meaning of what is written" with the "type of writing": you can write anything and anywhere, even on a birch bark, a fence, in a book or a "word" file, but the perception of what is written is a completely different "thing. "and depends mainly on the level of preparation of the reader.
      Quote: fenix57
      Trick a BOOK IS NOT POSSIBLE - NOT TORNING OUT

      And if the book is already with fraudulent content, and I ripped out a page from it - who deceived whom: am I a book or is it me?
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 14 June 2013 09: 50
    0
    Friday, evening, summer, good weather. Exit to the balcony, look around. Listen up. When I did this for the last time, I immediately remembered the film “I Am a Legend”, there, too, at night, human-like disrepute crept out. They shout there, they fight, they continue to defecate, a little further they sort of copulate. Everywhere inhuman sounds. The people after work week “have a little rest” and “drink culturally”.

    the author grabbed the lyuley? Or didn’t they sell beer?
    A familiar builder when choosing workers from Central Asian countries, looks whether the applicant is smoking or not. If he smokes, then, probably, he has long been in Russia and knows the price of works well. The cultural influence of the environment of my homeland,. A familiar Uzbek says that in Bukhara, if a girl smokes, you can safely go and agree on a joint night.

    if cho they eat
    Nowadays, a high school student - a virgin, is often a marginal and an outcast, doomed to ridicule.

    lolshto? Do you know that this is immediately reported to parents if so so our anal fsio

    Recently, a gang of young jackals seriously beat a friend of our family for refusing to "share" 10 rubles. Broken ribs + broken internal organs + concussion = 10 rubles

    Well, Che is not the ruble. In fact, such an aggressive gopota was and will be. Read Kozlov’s book Gopniks School is a very suitable air bar so to speak.
    A normal person who does not have a habit of swearing at home will never lead a child to the football arena, even if he is a hundred times a football fan.

    What are you saying and I know the opposite example from very rich and wealthy families. And yes, the Heads of these families drive away and beat each other's faces in the face of a hobby like that. Are you jealous?
    1. FC SKIF
      14 June 2013 13: 45
      -1
      [quote = leon-iv] Friday, evening, summer, good weather. Go to the balcony, look around. Listen. When I did this for the last time, I immediately remembered the film “I am a Legend”, there, too, a humanoid unread crawled out there at night. There they scream, they fight there, defecate further, a little further they seem to mate. Everywhere inhuman sounds. After a working week, the people “have a little rest” and “drink culturally”.
      the author grabbed the lyuley? Or didn’t they sell beer? [/ quote]
      No, it’s just that I have a wife, it happens, it’s late to return from work.
      [quote = leon-iv] A familiar builder, when choosing workers from Central Asian countries, looks whether the applicant is smoking or not. If he smokes, then, probably, he has long been in Russia and knows the price of works well. The cultural influence of the environment of my homeland,. A familiar Uzbek says that in Bukhara, if a girl smokes, you can safely go and agree on a joint night.
      if cho they eat natsvay [/ quote]
      I know, but I emphasized this point in the article to show the vices of our society compared to the neighboring ones. [Quote = leon-iv] [quote] Friday, evening, summer, good weather. Go to the balcony, look around. Listen. When I did this for the last time, I immediately remembered the film “I am a Legend”, there, too, a humanoid unread crawled out there at night. There they scream, they fight there, defecate further, a little further they seem to mate. Everywhere inhuman sounds. After a working week, the people "have a little rest" and "drink culturally." [/ Quote]
      the author grabbed the lyuley? Or didn’t they sell beer?
      [quote] A familiar builder, when choosing workers from Central Asian countries, looks whether the applicant is a smoker or not. If he smokes, then, probably, he has long been in Russia and knows the price of works well. The cultural influence of the environment of my homeland,. A familiar Uzbek says that if a girl smokes in Bukhara, you can safely go and agree on a joint night. [/ Quote]
      if cho they eat
      [quote] Nowadays, a high school student - a virgin is often marginalized and an outcast, doomed to ridicule. [/ quote]
      lolshto? Do you know that this is immediately reported to parents if so so our anal fsio
      I know what I'm talking about - I have a sister, a teacher at school [quote = leon-iv] Recently, a gang of young jackals seriously beat a friend of our family for refusing to “share” 10 rubles. Broken ribs + broken internal organs + concussion = 10 rubles
      Well, Che is not the ruble. In fact, such an aggressive gopota was and will be. Read Kozlov’s book Gopniks School is very suitable to weigh atmospheric so to speak [/ quote]
      This is from an overabundance of culture
      [quote = leon-iv] A normal person who doesn’t have a habit of swearing at home will never lead a child to the football arena, even if he is a hundred times a football fan.
      What are you saying and I know the opposite example from very rich and wealthy families. And yes, the Heads of these families chase away and beat each other's faces in the face of a hobby like that. Are you jealous? [/ Quote]
      Before entering the site you must pass a breathalyzer. It feels like you are drunk with a drunk, somehow you are not connected in an unintelligible way.
  • rereture
    rereture 14 June 2013 09: 51
    +3
    fenix57, I do not see the point in your message. Now there are many models of e-books in which e-ink displays are used, in which text and images are formed from ink.

    And if you follow your logic, then the book printed in the printing house is soulless, it was printed by a soulless machine, but the manuscripts give complete unity with the text and the author, because it was written with love and care, and most importantly with the soul, by people.
  • nerd.su
    nerd.su 14 June 2013 09: 55
    0
    I read the article and comments on how much time was enough. The author is right in some ways. But everyone was already fed up with such a panicky manner of presenting material. It is time from stating facts to program articles. Revolutionary consciousness is growing, the upper classes have not been able for a long time, the lower classes are beginning to not want ...
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 14 June 2013 09: 58
    +1
    With books in general movies. Once we eagerly read more than anyone else in the world (probably, it was before we started drinking as much eagerly), and the bookshelves were displayed in the most prominent place in the apartments. And what, suddenly, which of the guests will think that the owners do not read books at all - they will stop saying hello. Then they gradually stopped reading, but the bookshelves remained (so that the neighbors did not suspect anything), and then their sons and grandchildren threw up unnecessary waste paper, so that they did not take up space, and their peers would laugh. A familiar janitor, an intelligent and educated woman, found many really good books thrown away by such “readers”.

    Well, but what’s considered to be by circulation and newspapers which were obliged to write out in loading.
    + there was no internet
    + consider downloading books from trackers
    + audiobooks and everything falls into place.
  • Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 14 June 2013 10: 04
    +4
    In my opinion, all good books have already been written. At home I have a library consisting of works by classics, both Russian and foreign. I stopped buying modern paper books for a long time, I don’t use electronic books, but I listen to audiobooks constantly. I don’t buy, I download pirated wink I listen to new items and "re-listen" to those that were hooked once. There are those who like to hold the book in their hands, leaf through the pages - I will not argue, but personally I just have no time to sit with a paper book in my hands.
    I understand the author of the article, the article is not about books or smoking virgins, but about the general decline in culture and the ensuing consequences. One can say that a person’s soul hurts for his homeland, and they write to him, such as: a whiner, we’re all hurt, we are in the courtyards culturally and everything like that.
    1. Denis
      Denis 14 June 2013 11: 08
      +1
      Quote: Middle Brother
      In my opinion, all good books are already written
      Invented and played all the good too?
      Then it remains only to take and die
      It will be more, only a pity is not often
      1. Middle-brother
        Middle-brother 14 June 2013 11: 32
        0
        Quote: Denis
        Then it remains only to take and die

        It’s too early for us to die laughing
        Of course, not everything was invented and played. And as far as it is written - there are not so many main plots, and they are still played hundreds of years ago. Are there any personalities of such proportions that will be called great classics in the future? I actually meant it. A good authors and books in our time are come across.
  • USNik
    USNik 14 June 2013 10: 19
    -3
    There they scream, they fight there, defecate further, a little further they seem to mate. Everywhere inhuman sounds.

    ! ?? the author accidentally does not live in Detroit? Very similar. For example, in Ukraine, in Ukraine, as many as I did not go on business trips, I did not see such chaos, except on the day of the city in Kiev cattle caught and disturbed request
  • fenix57
    fenix57 14 June 2013 10: 19
    0
    Quote: rereture
    And if you follow your logic, the book printed in the printing house is soulless, it was printed by a soulless machine, but the manuscripts give complete unity with the text and the author, because it is with love and care,

    With all due respect, it may be incorrectly stated ..... BOOK FROM PRINTING - READ, because from the heart!
  • Egor.nic
    Egor.nic 14 June 2013 10: 40
    +3
    You can express as many opinions as you like about the culture of the Russian people, but no changes will occur. There is a good Russian proverb - "there is nothing to blame on the mirror if the face is crooked."
    Who was cultural - that remained cultural .....
    The cultural heritage, as well as the traditions of the ancestors, have been preserved in individual families, but this is not enough.
    The culture of a person, of any, originates in the family. The family is the basis of the state, it is the basis of cultural values.
    The culture and morality of today's adolescents and young people under 30 years old is formed on the basis of the moral and cultural values ​​of their parents. What has been sown by you, now you are reaping.
    You can still argue a lot about this, but nothing will change until you yourself begin to change towards humanity, culture, morality, nobility, fortitude, mental development, etc., to be an example to them.
  • My address
    My address 14 June 2013 10: 43
    +4
    THE MEDIUM BROTHER is right, the author has a soul that hurts for the Motherland, and the majority has attacked. And they attacked far from indifferent, not hurray-patriots.
  • fenix57
    fenix57 14 June 2013 11: 30
    0
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    Gentlemen! Wanted capitalism and democracy "in the Western" way, get it. How to deal with the black machinations of capitalism? Only by overthrowing. Democracy for us is much shittier than socialism. The values ​​are different. Here are the photos of the fans. Football has become commercial, capitalist. Nobody cares about national football. Therefore, Africans taken from trees or Latin Americans caught in the savannah run after the ball. And you don't have to sing that they are here to improve your skills. Whose? Yours? To the hooting of paid "fans" who don't even know the composition of the team. Under socialism, in that life, there were athletes who won on the fields and ice. And now? What interest is it to go to the stadium and look at the migrant workers in the native club of seamen "Chernomorets", when there are football "Tajiks" from all over the Third World, and the owner of the club is a "thimble gig" (they, like the Chekists, are never former).
    Why is dirt surrounding us? The scum became the masters of life. Cynical, unspiritual, arrogant, hypocritical, thievish, deceitful, who recognize only the value of MANI.

    Burst, dirty tricks ... hi
  • Malleus
    Malleus 14 June 2013 11: 44
    +1
    "I wonder if there is a relationship between the dynamics of the number of women who smoke (this is, in addition to everything, uncivilized) and the dynamics of the same divorce and the number of abortions?"

    Fig knows, probably there is. But the fact that "smoking women cums"- it is known beforehand!
  • cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 14 June 2013 11: 44
    0
    About books: now it’s impossible to track the trend of reading in the country. most books are downloaded from the Internet to electronic media with copyright infringement, you can read from a tablet, phone, e-book, or from a computer. it is impossible to track a pirated book, and to compile statistics taking into account piracy, especially. I myself do not remember the last time I bought a book.
    1. tomket
      tomket 14 June 2013 12: 03
      +1
      Yesterday I came to the university for a couple, a boy was sitting reading Kurt Vonnegut, asked what kind of book it was, he asked if the writer was familiar, replied that Pelevin had quoted him in his story "Timeout or Evening Moscow," but he hadn't read it yet. Everything would be good, but for half of the audience could understand the conversation no more than logos))))
      1. Wild_grey_wolf
        Wild_grey_wolf 14 June 2013 12: 28
        +3
        I quoted the above quote from Pelevin’s novel, they soldered me a minus ... how can I not understand why, am I confused? for a mistake in the Last Name, well, sorry by accident (((((, thanks for bringing me back to ZERO)))
        1. Valery-SPB
          Valery-SPB 14 June 2013 12: 49
          0
          Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
          Ha. Your thought about the train reminded me of V. Pilevin’s novel 12,

          I reset your minus, but after reading this message, five minuses would be for sure ...
          You do not have a mistake, but a pattern. Check the correctness of the early post.
  • Tao
    Tao 14 June 2013 11: 46
    0
    Article, author .... a very alternatively gifted person with delusions of grandeur and exclusivity. If people read little in Russia, there would not be so many portals and electronic libraries. It's just that the age of paper books is coming to an end. Well, and the classics, it's high time to be scrapped. Instead of "crime and punishment"
    1. tomket
      tomket 14 June 2013 13: 07
      +1
      sometimes it seems to me that Dostoevsky or Nekrasov purposefully wrested the desire of students to touch literature from schoolchildren.)))) Well, or the same Bulgakov at school? Why is he there? What would the girls giggle reading about Margarita at Woland's ball? There is so much mixed occult meaning. At the end, the very same jackal of Schubert’s laughter is unlikely to be appreciated by a schoolboy.
  • Nevsky
    Nevsky 14 June 2013 12: 03
    +2
    Read. He wrote in the case. But I’m watching people, I don’t want to look in the mirror. Justification is sought: 2-3 channels on USSR TV, but not all of them, the author is a pessimist. In a word, everyone is happy.

    Well then do not be surprised:



    Now compare:




    1. Setrac
      Setrac 14 June 2013 15: 37
      0
      The Holocaust is Jewish deception. Many suffered from the Nazis, but for some reason the Germans pay only to the Jews, like this.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 19: 35
        0
        The Soviet Union received a dofiga of reparations from defeated Germany.
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 14 June 2013 19: 35
        0
        The Soviet Union received a dofiga of reparations from defeated Germany.
  • George
    George 14 June 2013 12: 42
    +2
    Hello all.
    I also think that the author is catching up with horror, this is where he went out onto the street, and right before his eyes there is a complete set (they just forgot to add drugs and smelling drugs).
    Russia has always read a lot, only the question is what?
    My grandfather left a rich library (more than 3000 books), and my wife, knowing my book mania, bought me an e-book. A wonderful thing, I carry a regional library with me, and I don’t need to talk about the soullessness of the device and the animation of books, well, at least out of sympathy for the trees.
  • fenix57
    fenix57 14 June 2013 12: 54
    0
    Into a bloody storm through a swearing flame
    The Forerunner of Salvation - Russian Banner
    You have been led to an immortal victory.
    So it’s wonderful that in memory of the union of the saint
    Behind the Russian Banner and the Russian Word
    Has it come to you as a native to a native?
  • fenix57
    fenix57 14 June 2013 13: 12
    0
    Quote: biglow
    You listen to electronic sound carriers and look at the picture on the electronic screen
    Yes, I’m listening, but I don’t perceive! And what does not work for you ?.
    Quote: rereture
    fenix57, I do not see the point in your message. Now there are many models of e-books in which e-ink displays are used, in which text and images are formed from ink.

    Message ..... You are mistaken ... My opinion is the first (MY BELL!), And I’m not going to impose anyone .... my opinion ... and let it go to the bell tower! .. hi
  • rereture
    rereture 14 June 2013 13: 15
    -1
    fenix57, warm tube sound?: - D