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12 June - Day of Russia

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Russia Day is celebrated on the anniversary of the adoption of the Declaration of State Sovereignty of the RSFSR 12 June 1990. Although this holiday is relatively young and still perceived in society ambiguously, the key word defining its meaning is the word sovereignty - the notion of a patriotic lexicon.

Even 20 years ago, in the years when this holiday appeared, Russia could lose its independence, experiencing one of the most difficult periods of its stories. The country was at the edge of the abyss, the Soviet Union collapsed - the last imperial form of existence of the Russian state. The country was weakening, its voice in international affairs was getting quieter, opinions were heard that the end of Russian civilization was not far off, and the Russian people, having chosen the ideals of western "freedom", would no longer revive their state. Perhaps that is why today's holiday gradually acquires a new meaning, which could not be more accurately reflected in its original name - Independence Day, Day of Sovereign Russia, Russia, self-sufficient and independent, resurgent and Great. Today’s Russia is an established sovereign state, leading an independent domestic and foreign policy, independently determining the direction of its development, possessing tremendous scientific, military, technical and human potential. Modern Russia is a country capable of protecting the rights of its citizens anywhere in the world. Present-day Russia is a country affirming its legal status as a world power. Happy holiday, dear compatriots, Happy Great Russia Day!
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  1. bazilio
    bazilio 12 June 2013 08: 24 New
    -28
    Congratulations to all on a holiday!
    1. esaul
      esaul 12 June 2013 08: 33 New
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      Quote: bazilio
      Congratulations to all on a holiday

      Greetings Basilio thank you. drinks I would like this holiday to be registered not only in official greetings, but also in the hearts of people. Then it will become one of the bricks in the building of a powerful and fair state. With respect and congratulations to all - Yesaul. drinks
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 12 June 2013 08: 45 New
        -25
        Happy holiday friends! drinks I admit a year ago I had a different attitude to this event! smile
        1. Karabu
          Karabu 12 June 2013 12: 54 New
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          scattered massively celebrated scattering day
          1. GreatRussia
            GreatRussia 12 June 2013 15: 08 New
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            Vladimir Putin spoke about US imperial ambitions
            Vladimir Putin believes that the United States will be able to get rid of the imperial ambitions that they still follow in foreign policy. Speaking on Russia Today, the President noted that individualism is at the heart of American self-consciousness; collectivism is at the heart of Russian. At the same time, he again condemned the US State Department for supporting the Russian radical opposition.

            “After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the United States remained for some time the sole leader. But this is a certain ambush for them, which consists in the fact that the States began to feel like an empire, ”said President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday, visiting the new studio of Russia Today TV channel.

            "The empire cannot afford the manifestation of weakness, and any desire to agree on an equal footing is often perceived within the country as weakness, and the country's leadership cannot afford this for domestic political reasons," the president emphasized ....

            The basis of American self-consciousness is an individualistic idea, the Russian one is collectivist, ”Putin said, answering a question about the prospects for Russian-American relations.

            According to Putin, it is rather difficult for Russians and Americans to understand each other, but it is possible. Speaking about the differences in the mentality of Russians and Americans, Putin cited a number of examples, recalling the Soviet leader Joseph Stalin.

            “Today we recognized Stalin as we did not know him before. It used to be a dictator, a tyrant. But I doubt very much that in the spring of 45, Stalin, if he had an atomic bomb, would use it against Germany. In 1941-1942, when the question was about the life or death of the state, maybe he would apply. And in the 45th, when the enemy, in fact, surrendered and he had no chance, I doubt it. But the Americans used against a defeated Japan, and against a non-nuclear state ”- Putin said ....


            “Our diplomatic service does not actively cooperate with Occupy Wall Street, and your diplomatic service actively interacts and directly supports them. In my opinion, this is wrong, because the country's diplomatic services are called upon to establish relations between states, rather than immersing themselves in internal political affairs, ”Putin said.

            More:
            http://news.mail.ru/politics/13472534/?frommail=1

            1. yak69
              yak69 12 June 2013 21: 44 New
              +2
              Regarding the above published video.
              Ну вот мы все и услышали принципиальнейшие слова от путина в адрес кудрина. Он во всеуслышание сказал "по большинству ПРИНЦИПИАЛЬНЫХ вопросов на развитие экономики России наши взгляды совпадают и я его в этом поддерживаю"!
              Every intelligent person can see the line drawn by Kudrin and the results of this line in today's economy. Putin supports this line!
              So who then is Putin for Russia and where does he lead us all ?! Savior? How about it shouting with foam at the mouth of his admirers.
              Who is mr. Putin?
              For me, the answer is obvious.
              I would like other fellow citizens to critically and realistically examine this issue: Who is mr. Putin.
          2. GreatRussia
            GreatRussia 12 June 2013 15: 10 New
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            Quote: Karabu
            scattering day

            Whatever this pseudo-holiday, in whatever state my MOTHERLAND is, the name of my MOTHERLAND is distorted of Russia causes only disgust. am
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 12 June 2013 14: 23 New
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          Quote: esaul
          I would like this holiday to be registered not only in official greetings, but also in the hearts of people.

          Do not wait! negative
        3. O_RUS
          O_RUS 12 June 2013 16: 31 New
          +3
          I don’t understand something .... why are there so many minuses?
          3 com and I are all minus
          .
          1. DominusAstra
            DominusAstra 12 June 2013 16: 43 New
            -13
            Russophobes, what to take from them.
            1. O_RUS
              O_RUS 12 June 2013 17: 17 New
              +4
              Quote: DominusAstra
              Russophobes, what to take from them.


              I am Ukrainian, but I do not belong to Russophobia.

              Minus comment as a way to play at least something?
              1. DominusAstra
                DominusAstra 12 June 2013 22: 15 New
                0
                Pkh. Look how they are minus me, and you will see who is winning back here.
                By the way, I wasn’t minus you.
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              1. Alexander Petrovich
                Alexander Petrovich 12 June 2013 19: 32 New
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                Russia Day is a day of mourning for all the peoples of the USSR ...
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          3. AdAAkRuSS
            AdAAkRuSS 12 June 2013 23: 59 New
            +7
            Quote: O_RUS
            I don’t understand something .... why are there so many minuses?
            3 com and I are all minus
            .

            And this is an echo of the referendum on the preservation of the USSR and how people relate to such pseudo-holidays.
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          1. justas-xnumx
            justas-xnumx 12 June 2013 19: 18 New
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            I'd rather drink on November 7th for the October Revolution and December 30th on the day the USSR was formed
            1. mark021105
              mark021105 13 June 2013 01: 20 New
              +6
              Bravo, take off my hat! ))) hi
      2. yak69
        yak69 12 June 2013 18: 28 New
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        This is a day of general shame and betrayal of a great power by the name of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics!
        From whom do you celebrate independence ?! From the USSR ?!
        Воистину, мир перевернулся и рассудок людей помутился! Вместо того, чтоб взять ситуацию под контроль и не позволить сепаратизму и либерастической отраве расползаться по просторам страны, либерастическая Москва праздновала "Независимость"! От кого, ответьте господа почитатели продолжателя разрушителей СССР, а теперь и России?! Только без истерики и ярлыков, аргументировано- что за шабаш праздновался в Москве (жившей лучше и сытнее всей пахавшей от зари до зари страны!) 12 июня 1990 года?!
        I also suggest recalling those who authored this Sabbath-EBN, Shahrai, Gaidar, Chubais, further down the list ...). Today, they are also happy to celebrate this day. Now Russia is their patrimony, and they are full owners in this garden! Or am I confusing something again?! ...
      3. SerAll
        SerAll 12 June 2013 23: 39 New
        +4
        Rastarguev well done! started right with a song about the Red Army! This is the main thing! we must strive for this! Revive Power! The Red Army is all the stronger! Give USSR 2.0 !! or at least 2.01 beta !!!!
      4. kavkaz8888
        kavkaz8888 13 June 2013 00: 26 New
        +5
        Under Esaulov glasses
        TOAST
        Let's drink for the destruction of the Great State, the USSR. Let's drink for the national happiness that the long-awaited democracy brought! For many years of wars, famines, devastation. For homeless and street children. For a happy holiday! Hurray for the Lord and the Ladies !!!
      5. bazilio
        bazilio 13 June 2013 09: 07 New
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        Quote: esaul
        I would like this holiday to be registered not only in official greetings, but also in the hearts of people. Then it will become one of the bricks in the building of a powerful and fair state.

        судя по минусам и комментам, народ не считает этот праздник праздником. Незнал что это столь болезненный вопрос. Многие ниже высказывались "независимость от кого? Россия никогда не откого не зависела " Я думаю что не обязательно должна была быть какая нибудь зависемость в прошлом, что бы праздновать день независимости. Можно праздновать этот праздник просто потому, что страна в настоящий момент независема. Конечно же я понимаю чувства тех, кто осуждает этот праздник. Вобщем, я со своим уставом в чужой моностырь не полезу, если кого то чем то обидел, извиняйте, не хотел.
      6. Orchestrarant
        Orchestrarant 13 June 2013 16: 05 New
        0
        How do you like their cons? laughing I like this ! Alzheimer reigns! No joke! ! ! laughing I apologize for the obscurity! Being the best is better than being one of! drinksIn bent! Sorry ! And if ........?
    2. klimpopov
      klimpopov 12 June 2013 08: 35 New
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      What a strange holiday. Just a day off ...
      1. sergey32
        sergey32 12 June 2013 08: 59 New
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        From whom is independence? From your mind?
        We have never been anyone's colony.
        1. Orchestrarant
          Orchestrarant 12 June 2013 09: 16 New
          -42
          Independence from parasites! lol
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            1. avant-garde
              avant-garde 12 June 2013 10: 56 New
              +5
              Have you liked the smiley ??? Already ripples in the eyes!
              Quote: Drum
              when I hear such a speech, I understand your intelligence !!
              -To understand the intelligence of Russian they need to be! In the meantime, you are far from understanding negative
              1. Astartes
                Astartes 12 June 2013 11: 00 New
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                Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, were resettled to Moldova under Catherine II, they mastered the outskirts, brought Russian culture to other nations, and then they were thrown as the last dogs, bought with jeans and chewing gum. If you do not understand the sad irony in the text written above, it is not for you to judge who is Russian and who is not.
              2. Barabas
                Barabas 12 June 2013 11: 47 New
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                I want to ask! what did you do to consider yourself Russian? besides the fact that your mother gave birth to you? For example, I built a city and an enrichment factory in Yakutia! built BAM! And you? belay
                1. bezumnyiPIT
                  bezumnyiPIT 12 June 2013 12: 02 New
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                  And what's the difference who we are by blood? The main thing is that in our hearts we were one nation - the Soviet
                  1. Strezhevchanin
                    Strezhevchanin 12 June 2013 21: 57 New
                    +2
                    Quote: bezumnyiPIT
                    the nation was- soviet

                    There is!!! And we will always ...... and I teach children that way, we need to keep it all in ourselves, by hook or by crook drinks
                2. avant-garde
                  avant-garde 12 June 2013 13: 43 New
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                  I personally did for Russia what I served in her army, I work in a defense research institute, gave birth to a daughter for this country, more questions ???
                3. Genady1976
                  Genady1976 12 June 2013 13: 49 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Drum
                  I want to ask! what did you do to consider yourself Russian? besides the fact that your mother gave birth to you? For example, I built a city and an enrichment factory in Yakutia! built BAM! And you? belay

                  And I didn’t build me up for consumption crying
                  1. Astartes
                    Astartes 12 June 2013 14: 10 New
                    +4
                    No, for a construction site, preferably a factory, or a school, or a university, that would also be something to be proud of.
                    1. Genady1976
                      Genady1976 12 June 2013 14: 14 New
                      +4
                      someone needs to repair construction equipment that's entim I do drinks
                      1. Astartes
                        Astartes 12 June 2013 14: 27 New
                        +2
                        also a necessary and noble occupation.
                    2. justas-xnumx
                      justas-xnumx 12 June 2013 19: 23 New
                      -1
                      So now almost nothing is being built!
                4. Strezhevchanin
                  Strezhevchanin 12 June 2013 21: 47 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Drum
                  What did you do to consider yourself Russian?

                  Prevented 18 fires, saved 450 hectares of forest (well, approximately) saved 13 people from a sinking minibus (at least helped everyone to get out of it) picked up 10 passengers near dead cars in -53 and brought everyone home ........ ME SO TEACHED! He built a gas compressor station, even worked on it, secured (312 approximately) objects, started to bother him with video, security, fire, people are happy !!!!! Uh, what is the question then ???
                  1. Barabas
                    Barabas 12 June 2013 23: 39 New
                    0
                    for all that you have done Honor and Praise to you! and there are millions of people like you. and people like me no less. but there are, (as it were watered correctly) comrades among us, gentlemen, whose merit is called RUSSIAN, is the fact of the birth of a Russian mother , and nothing more! I don’t accept the fact of speaking obscene dialects and records in drinking vodka, because I know one Jew who did both masterfully.
          2. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 12 June 2013 13: 20 New
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            Quote: Orchestra
            Independence from parasites!


            22 года назад исчезла моя страна, а я - русский, оказался "национальным меньшинством" в стране где на протяжении последующих лет насаживается русофобство и ненависть к русским.

            Что Вы понимаете под - "нахлебниками" мне не понятно.
            What am I celebrating today, I also find it difficult to answer.
            1. sergo0000
              sergo0000 12 June 2013 18: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: Karlsonn
              Quote: Orchestra
              Independence from parasites!


              22 года назад исчезла моя страна, а я - русский, оказался "национальным меньшинством" в стране где на протяжении последующих лет насаживается русофобство и ненависть к русским.

              Что Вы понимаете под - "нахлебниками" мне не понятно.
              What am I celebrating today, I also find it difficult to answer.


              Ну хотя бы последние успехи России во внешней политике.Хотя и внутри за последний год сделано очень много!Не замечать этого минусовщикам и "всёпросральщикам" просто глупо.СССР пропили и уничтожили и в прежнем виде он уже не будет существовать ещё очень долго.Так почему бы сейчас не приветствовать возвращение (пусть и по капле)былой славы и возрождение патриотического духа русских!?Или мало здесь людей поддерживающих и радующихся последним победам Сирии!?А ведь это отчасти и наш успех!Так что если за Россию сейчас поднимают тост в других странах-нам не гордится своей страной и президентом -просто откровенно предавать его!
              1. builder74
                builder74 12 June 2013 19: 46 New
                +3
                I agree with you, but where does it happen on June 12, 1990?
                1. 101
                  101 12 June 2013 20: 03 New
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                  Quote: builder74
                  I agree with you, but where does it happen on June 12, 1990?

                  We have a holiday on MAY 9 and we will be proud of it, and on June 12 it has nothing to do with Russia. This is someone else's holiday of enemies
              2. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 12 June 2013 19: 48 New
                +4
                Quote: sergo0000
                Well, at least the latest successes of Russia in foreign policy. Although much has been done inside the last year too!


                these achievements undoubtedly please me, any successes cause a feeling of pride whether it is hockey or the military-industrial complex, but at the moment there is such an attitude to this holiday, I hope so far.
            2. DominusAstra
              DominusAstra 12 June 2013 23: 12 New
              0
              Where do you live?
          3. nycsson
            nycsson 12 June 2013 14: 24 New
            +6
            Quote: Orchestra
            Independence from parasites!

            What parasites? Are you talking about Ukraine and Belarus or what? fool
            1. Orchestrarant
              Orchestrarant 12 June 2013 17: 37 New
              -3
              Ukraine and Belarus are compatriots! I'm about others ... fool bully
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 12 June 2013 21: 37 New
                +1
                Quote: Orchestra
                Independence from parasites!

                Quote: Orchestra
                Ukraine and Belarus are compatriots! I'm about others ...


                who exactly are parasites?
                1. Orchestrarant
                  Orchestrarant 13 June 2013 16: 21 New
                  -1
                  Rich countries sending us, to HELP, handymen laborers! laughing
              2. Artmark
                Artmark 12 June 2013 23: 03 New
                +3
                And who do you mean ?? Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Georgians, Moldovans, Kazakhs .... ??? Also give up Chuvashia, Chechnya, Dagestan, Tatarstan, Yakutia ... and you won’t wake up parasites and ruin Russia fool
              3. Artmark
                Artmark 12 June 2013 23: 04 New
                +2
                As you do not understand in unity, power !!!
          4. yak69
            yak69 12 June 2013 18: 46 New
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            Quote: Orchestra
            Independence from parasites!

            At all times of the USSR, Moscow was the parasite and those who dug in it closer to power! And the whole country plowed from dawn to dawn! Can coal and oil, iron, gold, bread, cotton be mined in Moscow and Central Russia? And where were the nuclear shield of present-day Russia being forged, you do not know?
            And I will tell you, in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, the most secretive factories for assembling the same BZHRK and other missile systems were located. Tashkent and Ferghana aircraft plants built all types of aircraft; closed laboratories of a tank and chemical weapons were located at the petrochemical complexes of Uzbekistan. We, schoolchildren, from the 7th grade every autumn went to pick cotton from which soldiers' vests and sweatshirts were then sewn. In the spring, we collected silkworm cocoons, from which silk was made, which also went to the manufacture of parachutes and special equipment for the landing troops. In summer labor practice, we collected cherries, which were sent to Moscow (!!) and the regions of the Far North, where gold, diamonds and oil were mined!
            Вот те самые мерзавцы, кричавшие "освободимся от нахлебников!" и были самые настоящие нахлебники, воры и предатели великой страны по имени СССР!!
            1. yak69
              yak69 12 June 2013 19: 17 New
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              All republics of the USSR made their worthy contribution to the treasury of the national heritage of a great power! And only in Moscow was the start of this devilry named parade of sovereignty. So what kind of day is this, June 12th ?! For me personally, this is the Sabbath, the beginning of bacchanalia and destruction. And the successes of Russia today are in no way connected with this date. A day of mourning, on which you can bring flowers to the grave of the father of peoples and ask him to return to lead the country.
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 12 June 2013 21: 41 New
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                Quote: yak69
                All republics of the USSR made their worthy contribution to the treasury of the national heritage of a great power!


                That is, our picture is very, very rare. The Russian people in the USSR were state-forming. He was not captured by anyone, was not oppressed, and was not struck by any rights. His language was official. His voice in the form of representation was decisive. He was the center and core of the Great Superpower - the USSR. And on June 12, 1990, he won the “Decisive Victory” in the struggle for independence - he proclaimed state sovereignty!

                By the decision of the Congress of People's Deputies of the RSFSR, the state-forming nation was freed from the state it had created! From the state that the ancestors gathered for centuries, protecting which our fathers and grandfathers did not spare their lives. The “victory” was decisive - 907 deputies voted “for”, 13 - “against”, 9 deputies abstained, 1 did not vote, and 128 were absent.

                Here is such a "holiday". This is the “victory” we celebrate with the rest of the country. And only one thing obscures this “bright holiday” - we have not yet completely freed ourselves from our state, multinational and multiconfessional. We still have Tatars, Yakuts, Ossetians, Dagestanis, Buryats, Khanty, Udmurts and many, many other peoples. We have not yet “freed” them, have not announced to them our “state sovereignty”.

                But there are people who lead us to a cleaner “holiday”, to complete “freedom and sovereignty”. These (un) people go out with the placards “Stop feeding the Caucasus” and “Russia - for the Russians”. When they win, and with such "national holidays" their victory seems inevitable - Russia's sovereignty will become complete.

                But there is no limit to perfection! After all, there are still slogans such as “Stop feeding Moscow” or “Muhosk - to the Muhochans”. And with such slogans, sovereignty can be further improved, achieving state independence for every village, house, apartment. And after each victory of the next sovereignty, it is necessary to arrange another “holiday” for annual pride in the “victory”.

                author Boris Yulin.
                1. yak69
                  yak69 12 June 2013 22: 16 New
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                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  From the state that the ancestors gathered for centuries, protecting which our fathers and grandfathers did not spare their lives.

                  A little bit about the city in which I was born. Ferghana
                  The city was founded in 1876. On June 18, 1887, New Margilan was approved.
                  Since 1907 it was renamed Skobelev, and since 1924 it is called Ferghana. The initiator of the creation of the city is Mikhail Dmitrievich Skobelev. Founder, first organizer - second military governor Alexander Konstantinovich Abramov.
                  Type of city - military administrative center. The layout is typical for such cities: fortress, esplanade and streets radially concentrically diverging from them. Specialists whose buildings determined the initial appearance of the city: military topographer Zhilin, military engineers: Sinclair, Korolkov, architects: S.V. Lekhanov, E. A. Brun, I.R. Sakovich, G.M.Svarichevsky, I. I Aksentovich, A.I. Bot, Bardovsky and others.
                  At the initial stage, the appearance of the new city was adorned by the then-erected: officer meeting (1878-1879), regional administration, headquarters of the troops, police department, treasury, post office (all 1878-1880), the residence of the governor (1879-1891) , city garden (park) (1886–1887), Mariinsky school (1890), women's gymnasium, pharmacy (1894), station (1898), Alexander Nevsky Cathedral (1899), men's a gymnasium, a bakery (1903), the Apollo electro-technical theater, (later the New Era cinema) (1908), a hospital, a prison, a bazaar and many private shops.
                  An important function was prescribed to the city - to fulfill the role of a military strategic and administrative point to ensure the most reliable control over the territory of the former Kokand Khanate.

                  So, since the tsarist times, Russia affirmed its power on the continent, as befits a victorious power! Turkestan as a whole was NEVER a parasite, but an outpost of Russia in the East. This was all the territory of Russia. And the Soviet Union only consolidated these achievements. Look at the pictures of Vereshchagin, there is an episode of the battle in the Ferghana fortress. I lived a few blocks from her. As boys, we ran to play war games near it. It was located right behind the regional party committee. And now it turns out we got rid of parasites ?! These are our outposts, conquered by the lives of our ancestors, parasites?! ....
                  With a feeling of deepest satisfaction, I would make a planer out of all these champions of Russian bullshit.
                  To what extent cynicism and stupidity must be reached in order to mock Russia, considering this day a public holiday!
          5. builder74
            builder74 12 June 2013 19: 41 New
            +6
            Каких нахлебников? За 23 года сэкономленные на "нахлебниках" деньжищи превратили страну в рай на земле?
        2. keeper
          keeper 12 June 2013 09: 26 New
          +9
          You are mistaken, dear. Just the shape of the colony has now changed.
        3. Babon
          Babon 12 June 2013 11: 07 New
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          So I have the same question, from whom do we celebrate independence? From themselves chtoli?
        4. valokordin
          valokordin 12 June 2013 12: 15 New
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          Quote: sergey32
          From whom is independence? From your mind?
          We have never been anyone's colony.

          Proclamation of sovereignty occurred when the USSR existed, but the Supreme Council of the RSFSR, under the leadership of a water-gobble, the son of a class enemy of the EBN, decided to declare sovereignty under the influence of liberal drift and its apologist Sobchak. The deputies, by their stupidity, did not think then how it would all end, but I just want to say that June 12 is a day of betrayal.
          1. ozs
            ozs 12 June 2013 12: 18 New
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            This is an indicator for a country that celebrates a day of betrayal. In this holiday the whole essence of our power and the direction of development (degradation).
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 12 June 2013 14: 48 New
              +3
              Quote: ozs
              In this holiday the whole essence of our power and the direction of development (degradation).

              Yeah! All right, say it!
          2. Babon
            Babon 12 June 2013 12: 27 New
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            The deputies, by their stupidity, did not think then how it would all end,

            They all thought, it was not yet clear who would become the head of state. And for the sake of personal ambitions, self-interest and interests, they committed treacherous acts. So it was easier for them to take managerial positions, albeit in a collapsed USSR, but they already had enough for themselves. In the republics, their people will decide. and they are here. it was also easier. Well, in the West they were just waiting for this, with what rapture we were humiliated through the IMF. remember? Only now millions of destinies have become bargaining chips in this. I have friends, they entered the USSR military schools under the USSR, and they asked for them with the collapse. They arrived in Russia, but in Russia they are no longer recovering. I’ll even keep silent about the war.
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          4. does it
            does it 12 June 2013 12: 38 New
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            Quote: valokordin
            June 12th is the day of betrayal

            At the very point, twenty years ago, they destroyed my great homeland of the USSR which made the whole world reckon with itself.
            1. sasha127
              sasha127 12 June 2013 14: 19 New
              +2
              In full agreement with you. Not the day of independence, but the day of dependence on the zod, the day of betrayal.
        5. regsSSSR
          regsSSSR 12 June 2013 14: 11 New
          +7
          From the very beginning, I didn’t care about the wording of the holiday !! Well, how does the Amer have such a holiday and we need to come up with such a surprise and who is addicted there? from kago? but what's the difference the main thing that sounds beautiful! and if we celebrate then not Independence Day, but US DEPENDENCE DAY TOKO HERE HOW TO NOTE THAT?
          1. regsSSSR
            regsSSSR 12 June 2013 14: 20 New
            +4
            And THIS INDEPENDENCE DAY WILL BE NOTED THEN THE CODES WILL BE DELIVERED FROM THE DEPENDENCE OF THE STATES AND THE WHOLE KUKLOVODSKAYA TOP!
            1. 101
              101 12 June 2013 20: 10 New
              +3
              Quote: regressSSSR
              Let's get rid of the dependence of the states and the whole puppet top !!!
              Then we will celebrate the abolition of the day of shame
          2. DominusAstra
            DominusAstra 12 June 2013 16: 49 New
            +4
            You are strikingly illiterate.
        6. Johnson
          Johnson 12 June 2013 14: 56 New
          -2
          Nobody has been talking about Independence Day for a long time, and the holiday is not called like that.
        7. Deniska999
          Deniska999 12 June 2013 15: 44 New
          +7
          I don’t understand this holiday either. Bring Back the Day of the Great October Socialist Revolution
          1. DominusAstra
            DominusAstra 12 June 2013 16: 52 New
            -2
            No, don't.
            This holiday is no less useless, because the territory of Russia has also shrunk, as you usually say!
      2. M. Peter
        M. Peter 12 June 2013 10: 16 New
        +7
        And even then they called for work, before lunch I had to work. wink

        And yes, I don’t have any festive mood in my soul. I don’t know why, but it’s only sad to become. Here the eldest son congratulated, but I was only on duty in response ...
        For them, afterwards, there may be a holiday, not for me.
        1. O_RUS
          O_RUS 12 June 2013 17: 27 New
          +3
          Quote: M.Pyotr
          And yes, I don’t have any festive mood in my soul. I don’t know why, but it’s only sad to become.


          ... there was a state with enormous human resources, natural wealth, health care, and no man was found who preserved and increased all this.
      3. baltika-18
        baltika-18 12 June 2013 10: 48 New
        20
        Quote: klimpopov
        What a strange holiday. Just a day off.

        I don’t think it’s a holiday. I’m not celebrating. I’m on my own base. The team is on site. We have a normal working day. All the best.
      4. Apostle
        Apostle 12 June 2013 11: 58 New
        13
        С одной стороны "День России" звучит приятно,с другой непонятно что празднуем,независимость от кого или от чего...Я бы и без этого дня любить свою Родину меньше не стал бы!!!
      5. 101
        101 12 June 2013 19: 52 New
        +6
        I left and worked out the Holiday in justification of the fight between the drunk and his comrades disdain to celebrate
    3. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 12 June 2013 08: 40 New
      -24
      Quote: bazilio
      Congratulations to all on a holiday!

      I join in the congratulations! yes
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 12 June 2013 11: 30 New
        +6
        Russia Day gave residents of the country a day off in the middle of the work week
    4. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 12 June 2013 09: 08 New
      43
      I congratulate everyone on the Independence Day from Kyrgyzstan, urraaa !!! Delusional is a holiday, dancing on the bones of the USSR! fellow
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 12 June 2013 11: 47 New
        31
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        I congratulate everyone on the holiday of independence from Kyrgyzstan, urraaa !!! Delusional is a holiday, dancing on the bones of the USSR!

        Quite right ... This is more likely not a holiday, but a day of mourning. According to the deceased USSR. If anyone does not remember, Yeltsin was in such a hurry to declare independence in order to become at least somehow a legitimate president. And then we rejoiced, naive go-oty ... Something is not celebrated ... Let's go with my wife, pick strawberries. negative Ну а кто празднует, тому весёлого "праздника", только вот с трудом представляю себе тосты за "праздничным" столом. За что пить то будете?
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 12 June 2013 12: 03 New
          +6
          Quote: Atlon
          с трудом представляю себе тосты за "праздничным" столом. За что пить то будете?

          Paul, hi ! Ну в России по этому поводу есть поговорка "Было бы выпить, а причина найдется" wink ! Что по сбору клубники- сам такой же, только что с сада в дом зашел, что попусту свободное время прожигать. В этом и есть единственный плюс этого "праздника"
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 12 June 2013 14: 52 New
          +7
          Quote: Atlon
          Совершенно верно... Это скорее не праздник, а день траура. По умершему СССР. Если кто не помнит, Ельцин так спешил объявить независимость, что бы стать хоть как то легитимным президентом. А мы радовались тогда, наивные иди-оты... Не празднуется что то... Поедем с женой, клубнику собирать. Ну а кто празднует, тому весёлого "праздника", только вот с трудом представляю себе тосты за "праздничным" столом. За что пить то будете?

          Yeah! I didn’t expect you to read this! good Plusanul from the heart!
        3. O_RUS
          O_RUS 12 June 2013 17: 13 New
          0
          Quote: Atlon
          Quite right ... This is more likely not a holiday, but a day of mourning. According to the deceased USSR.


          - are there people with this opinion about June 12?

          Quote: Atlon
          Ну а кто празднует, тому весёлого "праздника", только вот с трудом представляю себе тосты за "праздничным" столом. За что пить то будете?


          - are there also those who hold such an opinion?

          To each his own?
          ***
          Встречал в ком-ях слово "нахлебники" ...м да свалить вину на отдельно взятую республику... у кого то скудоумие. СССР была сильна единством республик,взаимопомощью,в стремлении субъекта СССР достигать стоящих перед ним целей более эффективно, чем он это делал ранее.Каждая республика вкладывала свое.
          Было СССР -были у власти люди, стремящиеся к решению общих задач..."не удержались" ... власть сменилась...результат всем известен
    5. Melchakov
      Melchakov 12 June 2013 11: 42 New
      +1
      My opinion is that there should be a holiday, but its wording and background must be changed.
      1. vBR
        vBR 12 June 2013 17: 38 New
        +3
        These dates are not done this way, by any chance. And in addition, it is directly related to the event, which, except as a national shame, is difficult to identify. The congress of people's deputies adopted a declaration of sovereignty, which drove a legal nail into the existence of the country. Against there were only 3-4 people. This is what collective insanity looks like.
    6. kris
      kris 12 June 2013 11: 58 New
      34
      This country about shit!
      1. Melchakov
        Melchakov 12 June 2013 12: 27 New
        15
        Quote: kris
        This country about shit

        Да-а. Только вот многие здесь на сайте, кричащие, что они патриоты, что они давали присягу Союзу как-то забывают, что нихрена ничего не сделали, что бы сохранить свою страну. Где они были, когда в Беловежской пуще ЕБН и Ко разваливали СССР, где они были, когда в 1993 году ЕБН и Ко добивали СССР, где они были, когда Чубайс и Ко разрушали промышленность, где они были, когда их сослуживцы за зелёные фантики предали свою страну, где они были, когда уничтожали их армию? Что, все разом оглупели и не понимали, что происходит, на колбасу, жвачку и джинсы все купились? Почему все с плакатами "Ельцин прав и молодец" выходили на улицу? Мы уже проходили подобное в 1917 году. Почти точь в точь всё одно и тоже. Так же и страну уничтожили, и старую мораль с культурой, и всякую хрень в виде "бескрылого эроса" пытались привить стране, и промышленность с экономикой уничтожили, и науку, и народное хозяйство, а сколько народа положили... Ради чего всё это делали? Ради того, чтобы потом понять, что до этого жилось не хуже, а может и лучше? Только вот в 20-х годах осознали, что надо жить сегодняшним и завтрашним днём, а не бесконечно ностальгировать о прошлом. Что для восстановления надо работать, а не бесконечно рыдать и кричать, что "всё проо"... Так вот, дорогие товарищи, если хотим изменить жизнь к лучшему, то неплохо бы начать хоть что-то делать, а не просиживать штаны за компьютером, поливаю грязью всё, что есть в стране.
        I have everything, have a nice day. soldier
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 12 June 2013 15: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: Melchakov
          What, they all got stupid at once and didn’t understand what was going on, everything was bought for sausage, chewing gum and jeans?

          Well no! Not so simple!
          1. sergo0000
            sergo0000 12 June 2013 19: 06 New
            -3
            Quote: nycsson
            Quote: Melchakov
            What, they all got stupid at once and didn’t understand what was going on, everything was bought for sausage, chewing gum and jeans?

            Well no! Not so simple!

            Ваша таблица похожа на ухмылку с потиранием рук сиониста-"Я тебя породил,я тебя и убью!" winked
            Ну и что !?Была "Холодная война".Разрушили государство -СССР.Но Россия то жива!!!В 2000 прекратили отступать и потихоньку начали наступление.Тяжело.Трудно.Но опомнились,взяли себя в руки и остановились на краю пропасти.Сейчас не до конца понимая хотим ли мы возвращения республик начали движение по краю и постепенно отвоёвывая брошенные идеалы.Не надо плакать о прошлом-надо работать на будущее.Не хотите праздновать день России-посыпайте и дальше голову пеплом на радость либералам!
            1. 101
              101 12 June 2013 21: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: sergo0000
              .Do not want to celebrate the day of Russia, sprinkle ash on your head and to the joy of the liberals!




              Reply
              Citation

              Well, continue to celebrate and the liberals will wither away in grief, so that people mixed up in a bunch of horses
            2. nycsson
              nycsson 12 June 2013 21: 39 New
              +2
              Quote: sergo0000
              Ну и что !?Была "Холодная война".Разрушили государство -СССР.

              Do you think the cold war has passed? I do not agree with you. She goes, only in a more hidden form. You probably think that having collapsed the USSR, they will leave Russia alone ?! If so, then you are a naive person and you are deeply mistaken!
              Quote: sergo0000
              Ваша таблица похожа на ухмылку с потиранием рук сиониста-"Я тебя породил,я тебя и убью!"

              Yes, this is not my table. But it very well characterizes those means and methods that are aimed at the final collapse of Russia. And if our government does not begin to oppose them, then misfortune will happen.
              Quote: sergo0000
              In 2000 they stopped retreating and slowly began the offensive. Hard. Hard. But they came to their senses, pulled themselves together and stopped at the edge of the abyss.

              I do not agree with you! In what area did we stop retreating, especially in the 2000 year ?! We go with the ax to the bottom!
              Quote: sergo0000
              If you don’t want to celebrate Russia’s day, sprinkle ash on your head to the joy of the liberals!

              I do not want. I don’t sprinkle ash on my head, but I’m talking about the real situation in the country, in my opinion.
              1. sergo0000
                sergo0000 12 June 2013 22: 27 New
                -1
                Я считаю,что если бы правление ЕБНа,продолжалось ещё год-два,то неизвестно к какому бы штату была приписана местность где я на данный момент нахожусь!А о названии "Россия",можно было бы только вспоминать.Как вспоминаем сейчас о СССР.А если откровенно,то думаю 90-е нам были просто необходимы!Чтобыоценить и понять то, что мы так с лёгкостью предали.Если СССР умер-значит он изначально был обречён и нежизнеспособен.Умер Сталин(,на воле которого и благодаря кому он жил и процветал) к власти пришёл Хрущёв и повёл свою продажную политику.И СССР впал в прострацию и растерянность.А XX-сьезд подорвал веру в человеческую порядочность своих руководителей.Вот с этого сьезда и надо отсчитывать смертельную болезнь государства ,а не 12 июня 1991 и Беловежские соглашения!
                What kind of education is this that easily languishes with the death of its creator!? Who does not regret the USSR, does not have a heart, who wants to revive in its former form, does not have reason! (Putin). And frankly speaking, well-being for me on the drum and the political orientation of other republics, the main thing is that they do not harm my homeland, Russia and they call me a Russian person and not a European or an Asian of the state of Siberia.
                1. not good
                  not good 13 June 2013 00: 45 New
                  +3
                  Lenin warned: that if someone ruins our state, it is his own bureaucracy. He looked like a bald man into the water.
                  А по поводу этого праздника,хорошо сказал Задорнов:"День независимости-это когда мы выбрали президента и от нас больше ничего не зависит."
        2. Barabas
          Barabas 12 June 2013 16: 07 New
          +6
          я скажу где мы были!мы работали одевали и кормили дармоедов в погонах!которые присягали Родине и Народу! КГБэшникам которые первые скурвились, предали и продали! Армейцам,толстожопым генералам которые впоследствии зарабатывали "Героев России" в гражданской войне!
        3. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 12 June 2013 17: 40 New
          +9
          Revolutions take place in the capitals, and only a riot occurs on the ground.
          Based on this, no speeches on the ground did not solve anything. Obese Muscovites did everything; they came out in defense of the drunkard and traitor of the USSR, Yeltsin and his pro-American retinue. These are the Moscow representatives of the 5th column, generously fed and instructed by US agents of the CIA, carried out a coup in the country.
          Праздник 12 июня, "независимости России", это праздник со слезами на глазах, только не радости, а горечи по утраченному государству - СССР, по справедливому социалистическому устройству общества, по народной - Советской власти.
          But paraphrasing A.S. Pushkin -
          Comrade, believe: she will rise,
          Captivating Star of Happiness,
          Russia will wake up from a dream,
          And on the wreckage of autocracy ...
          will build again a socialist nation-state.
        4. vBR
          vBR 12 June 2013 17: 47 New
          +3
          Когда и где это вы проходили "подобное в 17 году"? Империю уничтожил февраль на фоне первой мировой, а красные её собрали заново. Или вы до сих пор по песенке шварца историю воспринимаете? Гражданская война была соперничеством белого февраля, поддерживаемого и вооружаемого западом, и красного октября, двух разнонаправленных революционных проектов. Монархии к этому времени уже не было. Суть советского проекта не в высказываниях каких-то дам о бескрылом эросе - в реальности этого не было - а в совершенно земной задаче спасения нашей цивилизации от перемалывания западным капитализмом.
          1. builder74
            builder74 12 June 2013 20: 10 New
            +1
            I have very respectful attitude towards October and the USSR, but I do not agree that the task of professional revolutionaries was:
            Quote: Vbr
            the salvation of our civilization from grinding by Western capitalism.
            . And among the revolutionary figures, as it turns out, there were many muddy people.
        5. builder74
          builder74 12 June 2013 20: 05 New
          +3
          Quote: Melchakov
          What, they all got stupid at once and didn’t understand what was going on, everything was bought for sausage, chewing gum and jeans?

          В общем-то да. Есть важное "НО": никто и представить не мог, что мощнейшая страна моментально окажется попрошайкой МВФ, сдаст все международные позиции, а народ никак не будет влиять на политику. Ведь большинству ( как мне помнится- большинству) казалось что власть у нас зажралась ( lol compare with the current moment) that ordinary citizens do not care about ordinary citizens (everything has changed! laughing ) that capitalism has become socially responsible, democracy rules, Central Asia - parasites, etc. No one could imagine the 90s. And here new views, progressive politicians, publicity, well, as you said: 1917 2.0
      2. Ziksura
        Ziksura 12 June 2013 13: 08 New
        0
        Quote: kris
        This country about shit!

        Если оплевать с ног до головы Россию- исторический центр объединения народов некогда великого государства, то ни каких даже теоретических шансов на возрождение былого не останется. А вы именно этим здесь и занимаетесь. Какой "день независимости"????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Сами задумайтесь: кто вам эту чушь в головы вдолбил??????!!!!!!! Не те ли самые "друзья" что зомбируют всех:"Родина и государство вещи разные", чтобы в час "ИКС" сказать:"Ты продаешь не Родину, а государство, так что продавай на здоровье и совестью не мучайся, вот тебе и ящик печенья и бочка варенья, жвачка да джинсики со стразиками на попке". И ведь продадут.А вы даже если осознаете, что своей демагогией помогли им, то будет поздно "пить боржоми".
        "Союз нерушимый республик свободных,сплотила на веки ВЕЛИКАЯ РУСЬ". Забыли, господа (не товарищи уж точно)"союзники"???? У любого союза должен быть лидер, и желательно сильный лидер. У любой организации начальник. Иначе разброд и шатания. Не клевета ли на "центр" т.е. на РСФСР и разговоры о полном равноправии "субъектов федерации" и развалили СССР. Тут кое-кто гордится тем, что он сейчас на работе, так пусть попробуют вот прям не отходя от кассы вместо субординации и единоначалия употребить всеобщее равноправие, вместо выполнения приказов погрузиться в "а достоин ли Иван Иванович быть начальником". Много наработаете? И что с организацией будет? На чью мельницу воду льете?????? Охаивая праздник который называется:
        RUSSIA DAY

        А все остальное жанглирование понятиями. Да привязка к такому событию как принятие "декларации независимости" неудачно. Но ведь про это большинство тех кто празднует этот день как праздник даже не вспоминают, а если и вспоминают, то как о досадном наследии вечно пьяного БН. Увы историю не переиграешь. Но надо жить дальше. И в этой новой жизни должен быть праздник посвященный исключительно России. Переносить праздник на другую дату как с 7 на 4 ноября.... Самим не смешно??????

        PS. On the last of June 12, I was bombarded so that the star fell from the shoulder straps. It is possible to repeat the record laughing On a patriotic site !!!!!! Just for the love of the motherland. And for understanding her role in history .... Oh well, minus one. On your marks! Attention!! March!!!.....
        1. Dimitry
          Dimitry 12 June 2013 15: 04 New
          0
          I fully support your opinion, you can’t always look back, with a sense of resentment with an admixture of sentimentality. New horizons await our country, without mockery or lamentations !!! Glory to my motherland !!!
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 12 June 2013 15: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: Ziksura
          RUSSIA DAY

          Russia Day! That sounds proud! Only with an empty sound you will not be very proud! hi
          1. Ziksura
            Ziksura 12 June 2013 23: 11 New
            +2
            Quote: nycsson
            Only with an empty sound you will not be very proud!

            Если для вас РОССИЯ- это пустой звук... О чем с вами говорить. Салину досталась страна тоже с территориальными потерями- Польшу и Финляндию даже он не вернул, а сколько десятилетий понадобилось ему чтобы вернуть Прибалтику? И что он ныл как вы? "Нам нет преград- не в море, не на суше". Не это ли он вбивал в головы с молотком матери.... Каждому? Вокруг какой республики, он цементировал Союз, даже будучи по национальности грузином? Вы уж или смените аватарку,или не разводите тут троцкизм. Сталин бы устроил бы вам тут "новый интернационал". Вот интересно вас лично растрелляли бы за подобное нытье,али с начало бы в ГУЛАГ? laughing laughing
            You yourself will decide on your ideology, correlate it with reality, otherwise you can say such things at the level of not knowing the history of the same Stalin era. Funny to God.
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 13 June 2013 08: 23 New
              -1
              Quote: Ziksura
              If for you RUSSIA is an empty phrase ...

              Russia is not an empty phrase for me! There is nothing to be proud of in our country ........
        3. Barabas
          Barabas 12 June 2013 17: 08 New
          +2
          you are so excited about the star in pursuit!
          а меня волнует то,что любое под предлогом ,что он "русский"может на этом "патриотическом сайте"свободно не неся никакой ответственности ,а может и прирастая "звёздами"оскорблять
          тех кто волею судеб оказался "нахлебником".мне стыдно за вас бывшие мои товарищи по оружию и по труду!
          1. Ziksura
            Ziksura 12 June 2013 22: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: Drum
            you are so excited about the star in pursuit!

            Если бы волновала, то я бы усиленно бы поддакивал бы тем кто больше всех в "плюсах". Я же всегда стоял и стоять буду за свои убеждения. Лукавить изволите. Только ложь она вам мало поможет. Разве только в плане самоудовлетворения.
            1. Barabas
              Barabas 13 June 2013 12: 56 New
              0
              you did not understand me. but this is my mistake, in the first sentence a question mark should have been put.
              в смысле "да пофиг лычки - истина дороже!"
          2. Ziksura
            Ziksura 12 June 2013 22: 54 New
            +3
            Quote: Drum
            меня волнует то,что любое под предлогом ,что он "русский"может на этом "патриотическом сайте"свободно не неся никакой ответственности ,а может и прирастая "звёздами"оскорблять
            тех кто волею судеб оказался "нахлебником".

            "Нахлебником" никого не называл. Пощелкайте по ссылкам и если найдете- приведите пример. Если сами затронули... Вот вам пример из жизни: на работе у нас трудится девчушка, родом из деревни, родители "подогреть" не могут, да и не одна она в семье. Так вот закончила институт (взятки и подкупы сами понимаете отподают), устроилась на работу по специальности (именно той что в дипломе прописана), тянет на себе ипотеку за городскую "двушку" и.... На этом фоне постоянно слышу целые философские опусы разных обиженных волею судеб на тему: "Россия нас бросила, она нам материально не помогает, вот если бы она нам и жилье бесплатно в приличном месте, и работу бы высокооплачиваемую,да и подъемные бы сверху, вот тогда бы мы сказали бы "это да". За чей счет, а главное за какие заслуги????? Наши предки, что на печи всю жизнь лежали и только ваши работали и воевали ??? Или мы тут сборище тунеядцев по вашему мнению? Лично я всю жизнь только и занимался (и продолжаю) что учился, служил, работал. Дела своих родителей могу показать наглядно в камне и бетоне. Предприятие на котором тружусь хорошо помню еще в виде голого поля с колышками разбивки на фоне осеннего дождя и грязи по колено. С чего такие амбиции у вас. Не давите на жалость. У меня много коллег, знакомых, родственников- беженцы (по другому не назовешь) из бывших братских республик, многие из них не являются по национальности русскими, национальность здесь вообще не причем, просто они приехав с одним чемоданом, трудились не покладая рук (у многих теперь не ладони а сплошная мозоль)и теперь у них и квартиры, и машины, и работа по диплому, и дети учатся, и на жизнь не жалуются (торгашей не учитываю в данном контексте принципиально- это чтоб не дать вам повода "передернуть"). Какие же они нахлебники!!!!! Уважаемые граждане России. По заслугам, а не только по месту рождения. Ваша жизненная "дорога" на какую больше похожа? Пот с тем себя и позиционируйте. А на жалость и "стыдить" вот этого не надо.... Пустая трата времени. Не той мы закалки люди.
        4. vBR
          vBR 12 June 2013 18: 02 New
          0
          "Исключительно России" это что - в административных границах РСФСР? Когда она такой была, в какой исторический период, кроме постсоветского? Так скоро скажете, что "независимая Россия" начала своё существование 20 лет назад. Но Медведева Д.А. вам уже не переплюнуть:)
      3. DominusAstra
        DominusAstra 12 June 2013 16: 45 New
        -3
        Yes, I’m celebrating.
        1. ed1968
          ed1968 12 June 2013 18: 49 New
          0
          I join. with a holiday
      4. Skunk
        Skunk 13 June 2013 01: 23 New
        -1
        Such a sin is not to celebrate!
    7. Truffoff
      Truffoff 12 June 2013 12: 19 New
      +9
      Скорее это: " ДЕНЬ НЕЗАВИСИМОСТИ США ОТ СССР".
      1. bazilio
        bazilio 12 June 2013 13: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: Melchakov
        Yes. Only here are many here on the site, shouting that they are patriots, that they swore an oath to the Union, somehow forget that Nichrome did nothing to save their country. Where were they when in the Bialowieza Forest EBN and Co. collapsed the USSR,

        Согласен. Как заявлять "какую страну проср...ли", так все готовы. А кто допустил все это, кто позволил такую страну проср..ть?
        If someone does not like the present, it’s wiser to try to change it, rather than sit and remember how good it was in the past
    8. Orel
      Orel 12 June 2013 13: 55 New
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      What are we celebrating? Independence? Independence of what and from whom? The independence of Russia from territories that, for hundreds of years, then, with blood, money, resources, gathered in a single state. Independence Day of the head from hands, feet, hearts. Forgive me, but this is not a holiday, but a day of mourning that there is no country for which they fought, died, for the sake of which entire generations of the Great People were created and built.
      1. Genady1976
        Genady1976 12 June 2013 13: 58 New
        +1
        RSFSR Independence Day from the USSR repeat
    9. nycsson
      nycsson 12 June 2013 14: 20 New
      +7
      Quote: bazilio
      Congratulations to all on a holiday!

      Who has a holiday, and I have mourning! Only eccentrics today celebrate the collapse of the USSR !!! Americans, probably lying on the floor laughing!

      "является слово суверенитет – понятие патриотического лексикона."

      From whom is sovereignty, from the USSR or what ?! fool
    10. kosmos44
      kosmos44 12 June 2013 16: 03 New
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      Ой неспроста Путин "перекрашивается". Типа не я разворотил страну, а ЕдРо. Откреститься решил. Нихрена не получится!
      In Rostov, sabotage, an entire kindergarten were infected with miningitis, and the respected Pu was getting divorced in the news. And his daughters, he said, turned out to be educated in Russia! If only I would not say anything about it. And no one is responsible for sick children, give birth more.
      Independence Day is celebrated! From what independence, from brains?
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 12 June 2013 16: 30 New
        +9
        Quote: kosmos44
        Like I didn’t turn the country around, but EdRo. Decided to disown. Nichrome will not work!

        Edro rating does not save! The people understood. that this is a party of thieves and crooks, and at the head of it!
        Quote: kosmos44
        And his daughters, in his own words, appear to have received an education in Russia! If only I would not say anything about it.

        That's for sure! There is a good article on the topic.
        Education of children of the Russian elite abroad is a threat to Russia's security
        “The daughter of the colonel of the SVR lives in the USA, the daughter of Lavrov lives in the USA, the daughter of Putin lives in Munich ... is this normal?”
        NR2.ru: http://www.nr2.ru/moskow/308631.html
        1. Melchakov
          Melchakov 12 June 2013 19: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: nycsson
          Colonel SVR's daughter lives in USA, Lavrov’s daughter lives in USA, Putin’s daughter lives in Munich

          Quote: nycsson
          NR2.ru: http://www.nr2.ru/moskow/308631.html

          Article for idiots without links, facts and evidence.
    11. Suhov
      Suhov 12 June 2013 21: 11 New
      0
      Quote: bazilio
      Congratulations to all on a holiday!

      And your holiday will be our street ...
      wassat
    12. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 13 June 2013 03: 24 New
      +1
      there is no such holiday no one knows and does not celebrate ... sucked out of the finger. for real if, then there was one holiday-New Year ...
  2. Komodo
    Komodo 12 June 2013 08: 27 New
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    There is another opinion.
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    3. 755962
      755962 12 June 2013 15: 51 New
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      I celebrate my birthday! And I accept congratulations! All good, happiness and prosperity!
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 12 June 2013 17: 36 New
        +7
        Happy Birthday! drinks fellow
    4. ammunition
      ammunition 12 June 2013 17: 13 New
      +5
      Komodo! + 100500 !!!

      Down with all sorts of fake and deceitful show-offs !! Down with any lies and pretense !!
      ------
      755962 (1) Happy Birthday !! fellow Birthday is for real.
      1. 755962
        755962 12 June 2013 19: 33 New
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        Thanks, brothers! To the whole site, the correspondence guys to the Moderators and Admins THANKS !!!!!

        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 12 June 2013 19: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: 755962
          Thanks, brothers! To the whole site, the correspondence guys to the Moderators and Admins THANKS !!!!!


          Have a nice holiday !!! good

          The Russians do not give up!

          never and under no circumstances!
          happy mood!
  3. pinecone
    pinecone 12 June 2013 08: 32 New
    +8
    Such a statement is poorly consistent with the provision of the Constitution of the Russian Federation on the priority of international law. It's time to review.
    1. Prometheus
      Prometheus 12 June 2013 12: 10 New
      +1
      There, not only this statement, but a few more would be reviewed ...
    2. bazilio
      bazilio 12 June 2013 12: 56 New
      0
      The primacy of international law should be mandatory for all countries. Russia needs to further strengthen its participation in the rule-making process of international legal acts with a universal character
  4. Egoza
    Egoza 12 June 2013 08: 35 New
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    День Независимости...Его отмечают в разные дни во всех "суверенных" государствах. Просто всегда хочется спросить:"Независимости от чего? От спокойной и счастливой жизни в могучем и справедливом государстве?" Извините, но не поздравляю. Вот восстановим СССР - тогда и будем праздновать. Вот это и будет Великий День Великой России.
    Far far overseas
    There is a golden wall
    In the wall of that treasured door,
    Behind the door is a big country.
    Unlocked with a golden key
    The cherished door in the wall,
    But where to find this key,
    No one told me.
    Where is the key?
    Mountains and waters are beautiful there,
    And the rivers there are wide,
    All the children go to school there,
    And the old people gloriously live ...
    Will you go north to the river
    To the west, east or south -
    Everywhere man to man
    There is a faithful friend and friend,
    Farewell! We ride overseas
    To a far and joyful journey
    To a country where sorrow is not known,
    Where can we and relax!

    Song from the movie "Golden Key"
    Music: L. Schwartz (1939 year)
    1. DeerIvanovich
      DeerIvanovich 12 June 2013 10: 38 New
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      That is precisely what they want to introduce into the minds of the younger generation by the introduction of this holiday, that Russia should be limited only to these territories and that there have always been forced bonds ...
      The most crazy of public holidays! I join you and do not congratulate anyone on it.
      One way or another, but we will revive the Great Russia ... soldier minimum within the limits of Fomenko laughing
      1. stariy
        stariy 12 June 2013 12: 03 New
        +8
        Quote: DeerIvanovich
        The most crazy of public holidays!

        A holiday to the fact that we were all cut, humiliated, mocked, and then went off to drink at our own expense !!
        1. Melchakov
          Melchakov 12 June 2013 12: 31 New
          +3
          Quote: stariy
          Quote: DeerIvanovich
          The most crazy of public holidays!

          A holiday to the fact that we were all cut, humiliated, mocked, and then went off to drink at our own expense !!

          But we didn’t do nichrome to prevent this, but on the contrary supported it.
      2. bezumnyiPIT
        bezumnyiPIT 12 June 2013 12: 05 New
        +1
        No, not Russia, but Russia - an unbending brotherhood of peoples
      3. redwar6
        redwar6 12 June 2013 12: 19 New
        +6
        Самое печальное,что молодое поколение реально верит в ту дрянь,которую им вливают.В то что СССР был тираническим,рабским,бедным государством.Что все боялись власти,все хотели свергнуть "Кровавый режим",и ненавидели коммунизм..
        1. SCS
          SCS 13 June 2013 07: 52 New
          0
          Quote: redwar6
          Самое печальное,что молодое поколение реально верит в ту дрянь,которую им вливают.В то что СССР был тираническим,рабским,бедным государством.Что все боялись власти,все хотели свергнуть "Кровавый режим",и ненавидели коммунизм..

          Sorry, but you are mistaken! only those who do not want to know the truth believe in this rubbish! and such a minority ... and by the way, we ourselves must influence it, because young people are our children, grandchildren, friends ...
          1. atalef
            atalef 13 June 2013 07: 55 New
            0
            Quote: SCS
            Sorry, but you are mistaken! only those who do not want to know the truth believe in this rubbish! and such a minority ... and by the way, we ourselves must influence it, because young people are our children, grandchildren, friends

            It depends on who tells (by age) because in the history of the USSR there were periods — when it was — a poor, backward, bloody, and rather quiet period of stagnation. Therefore, do not jump like that. Everything was . Both this and that are all true.
            1. SCS
              SCS 13 June 2013 09: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: SCS
              Sorry, but you are mistaken! only those who do not want to know the truth believe in this rubbish! and such a minority ... and by the way, we ourselves must influence it, because young people are our children, grandchildren, friends

              It depends on who tells (by age) because in the history of the USSR there were periods — when it was — a poor, backward, bloody, and rather quiet period of stagnation. Therefore, do not jump like that. Everything was . Both this and that are all true.

              and no one is jumping, dear! it is the truth that is needed ...
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 12 June 2013 11: 16 New
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      Quote: Egoza
      День Независимости...Его отмечают в разные дни во всех "суверенных" государствах.

      And everywhere in different ways. For example, Independence Day of the Republic of Belarus is celebrated on July 3, the day Minsk is liberated from Nazi Germany. Moreover, the date was postponed according to the results of the republican referendum.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 12 June 2013 11: 49 New
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        Lopatov hi
        Welcome.
        Quote: Spade
        For example, Independence Day of the Republic of Belarus is celebrated on July 3, the day Minsk is liberated from Nazi Germany.


        A great choice, indicative of a quality moment of statehood; once again convinced of the sanity of the political elite of Belarus.
        With this choice, the ruling elites do not break the continuity of the history of their country, and at the same time the brain of the people.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 June 2013 21: 46 New
          +1
          Welcome.
          Belarusians try not to dance on national contradictions. It is fraught.
      2. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 12 June 2013 15: 08 New
        +6
        Quote: Spade
        For example, the Independence Day of the Republic of Belarus is celebrated on 3 July, the day Minsk is liberated from Nazi Germany. Moreover, the date was postponed according to the results of the republican referendum.


        Great example.

        I understand that Russia Day is needed.
        Но праздновать его в "день независимости" (хех) от своих братьев, т.е. в дату развала огромной страны... ну хрень это полная.
      3. builder74
        builder74 12 June 2013 20: 14 New
        +1
        There, in general, everything is smart.
    3. Suhov
      Suhov 12 June 2013 11: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: Egoza
      Here we will restore the USSR - then we will celebrate. This will be the Great Day of Great Russia.

      Here we will restore the USSR, within the borders of the borders of the Russian Empire of the sample of 1914 - then it will be possible to celebrate.
      But two more questions remain - Alaska and Constantinople.
      hi
      1. Astartes
        Astartes 12 June 2013 11: 24 New
        +3
        Do you need Poles ??
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 12 June 2013 11: 52 New
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          Quote: Astartes
          Do you need Poles ??

          А что поляки? Поляки как чеченцы, уважают сильную власть. По моему Кадыров сказал (покойный): "Чеченцу не стыдно подчиняться, ему стыдно подчиняться слабому!" (С)
          1. Astartes
            Astartes 12 June 2013 12: 03 New
            +4
            It seems to me that the Soviet system was better, they left them to dabble in their swamp, but they kept a baton over their heads, anyway, sincere allies will not work out of them ...
        2. Suhov
          Suhov 12 June 2013 12: 56 New
          0
          Quote: Astartes
          Do you need Poles ??

          Let them be.
          wassat
      2. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 12 June 2013 11: 57 New
        +4
        Suhov hi

        Quote: Sukhov
        Here we will restore the USSR, within the borders of the borders of the Russian Empire of the sample of 1914
        what in a whisper: - maybe 1905?


        Quote: Sukhov
        But two more questions remain - Alaska and Constantinople.


        Well, everything is complicated with Alaska, but at the expense of Constantinople - can we limit ourselves to the Dardanelles? Otherwise, half of the Middle East will have to be cut.
        Do we need it? At the moment they are kind of like allies.
      3. Prometheus
        Prometheus 12 June 2013 12: 16 New
        +4
        Друг мой,не забудьте,что в 1914 году у нас не было Курил и Южного Сахалина. Зато была Монголия и часть Ирана (как сферы влияния). А вообще,можно почитать Злотникова "Царь Фёдор". Там Россия вообще к 21 веку занимала 1/3 часть суши.
        1. Suhov
          Suhov 12 June 2013 12: 55 New
          +4
          Quote: Prometheus
          My friend, do not forget that in 1914 we did not have the Kuril Islands and Southern Sakhalin.

          Can you clarify?
          All that is now - let it stay!
          To return those territories that we for one reason or another have ever lost ...
          And by the way, the return methods may be different.
          Ideal option:
          Restore Russia.
          A powerful economy, a strong army, an attractive standard of living - comrades themselves will reach us.
          Enough of them kick slightly in the right direction.
          hi
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    4. Gari
      Gari 12 June 2013 15: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      День Независимости...Его отмечают в разные дни во всех "суверенных" государствах. Просто всегда хочется спросить:"Независимости от чего? От спокойной и счастливой жизни в могучем и справедливом государстве?" Извините, но не поздравляю. Вот восстановим СССР - тогда и будем праздновать. Вот это и будет Великий День

      100500 pluses bravo
      and good afternoon everyone
  5. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 12 June 2013 08: 35 New
    -2
    At the same time a sad day and a joyful one. The mighty and strong state did not become anymore, but a child was born who grows and grows stronger with a competent leader.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 12 June 2013 19: 53 New
      +4
      скандинав,не подскажете сколько "наруководил" грамотный сердюков в армии и кто его на эту должность поставил?вопросов гораздо бошльше,но вам будет сложно обьяснить почему у власти на местах и в министерствах чаще всего люди некомпетентные,а президент(с чьего согласия назначается премьером министр) -великий патриот и "поднимает страну с колен"
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  7. pensioner
    pensioner 12 June 2013 08: 38 New
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    I remember this day of the 90th year. In Minsk I was at a meeting. What were the hopes! But in the end, nearly half my life was stolen ... On takeoff.
  8. Gardamir
    Gardamir 12 June 2013 08: 50 New
    42
    For me, this is the day of the traitor.
    1. esaul
      esaul 12 June 2013 09: 28 New
      -28
      Quote: Gardamir
      For me, this is the day of the traitor

      I don’t know how deliberate your comment is, but you insult them with those who congratulate colleagues in their comments.
      1. Andrey from Tver
        Andrey from Tver 12 June 2013 10: 43 New
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        Quote: esaul
        I don’t know how deliberate your comment is, but you insult them with those who congratulate colleagues in their comments.

        Actually, this day can be safely called the beginning of the subversive activities of Yeltsin B.N. and his foreign colleagues.
        Here is the text of the declaration itself: http://www.politika.su/doc/dogs.html
        Read and understand that this declaration was adopted for the sake of one point - on the right of the RSFSR to leave the USSR. And this item has been implemented. And the remaining paragraphs on the rights of the population do not work to this day. So what are we celebrating? Another day of sorrow?
        1. esaul
          esaul 12 June 2013 11: 28 New
          0
          Quote: Andrey from Tver
          Read and understand that this declaration was adopted for the sake of one point - on the right of the RSFSR to leave the USSR

          Andrey, you got excited. This is not about the feasibility, stupidity or merits of the documents adopted, the discussion in the thread is about the holiday and the right of everyone to celebrate or not. You think that this holiday is not worthy of you. Your position and your right. I’m not going to convince you of anything, but you, in turn, do not try to drag me into an unnecessary discussion. Let, without the intensity of emotions, everyone will decide for himself - the holiday of what is this day. Good?
          Sincerely. Valery.
          1. ozs
            ozs 12 June 2013 12: 15 New
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            Perhaps that is why today's holiday is gradually acquiring a new meaning, which is most accurately reflected in its original name - Independence Day, Day of Sovereign Russia, Russia self-sufficient and independent, reviving and great. Today's Russia is an accomplished sovereign state, leading an independent domestic and foreign policy, independently determining the direction of its development, possessing colossal scientific, military, technical and human potential. Modern Russia is a country capable of protecting the rights of its citizens anywhere in the world. Present-day Russia is a country affirming its legal status as a world power. Happy holiday, dear compatriots, Happy Great Russia Day!


            What kind of sovereignty can we talk about if the first 10 years of so-called independence were openly ruled by the Americans, and now it is hidden. And before that, the USSR supposedly did not determine its foreign and domestic policy itself. But just why independent Russia throws openly throws its partners Libya, Iran, Yugoslavia, etc. not fulfilling their obligations to these countries.
            And domestic foreign policy is generally something that how much the population has declined over 20 years, this is just an indicator of the success of domestic policy.
            Правильно сказать обладавшая колоссальным научным, военным, техническим и промышленным потенциалом доставшимся от "узурпатора" СССР, ведь от него независимость празднуем. Но теперь от этого потенциала практически не осталось, мы вступили вто, армией реформировал мебельщик, а во главе науке стоят фурсенкоподобные овощи.

            So this is such a fake holiday. And only a person who hates his history and the USSR will celebrate such a fake. Honestly it becomes disgusting from how the power has been lured.
          2. Andrey from Tver
            Andrey from Tver 12 June 2013 12: 57 New
            +8
            Ни в коем случае не пытаюсь втянуть в дискуссию, просто один раз возражу. 12 июня 1990 года была принята «Декларация о государственном суверенитете», на которую я сослался в предыдущем посте. Четыре года спустя приказом Бориса Ельцина дату было решено считать праздничной на государственном уровне. Официально название праздника — День России — было утверждено с принятием нового Трудового кодекса 1 февраля 2002 года. То есть событием, которое положено в основу "дня России" как праздника, является именно принятие Декларации о государственном суверенитете. В принятой декларации реализован только один пункт - о праве выхода РСФСР из состава СССР. Но выход РСФСР из состава СССР состоялся позднее. Валерий, просто задумайтесь, какое событие нам предложено праздновать? Можете не отвечать.
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 12 June 2013 15: 31 New
              +3
              Declaration of State Sovereignty of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic of June 12 1990

              First Congress of People's Deputies of the RSFSR,
              - aware of the historical responsibility for the fate of Russia,
              - testifying to respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples included in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics,
              - expressing the will of the peoples of the RSFSR,
              solemnly proclaims the state sovereignty of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic throughout its territory and declares its determination to create a democratic rule of law within the renewed Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
              1. The Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic is a sovereign state created by the peoples historically united in it.
              2. The sovereignty of the RSFSR is a natural and necessary condition for the existence of the statehood of Russia, which has a long history, culture and established traditions.
              3. The bearer of sovereignty and the source of state power in the RSFSR is its multinational people. The people exercise state power directly and through representative bodies on the basis of the Constitution of the RSFSR.
              4. The state sovereignty of the RSFSR is proclaimed in the name of higher goals - to ensure that everyone has the inalienable right to a dignified life, free development and use of their native language, and to each people - to self-determination in their chosen national-state and national-cultural forms.
              5. To ensure political, economic and legal guarantees of the sovereignty of the RSFSR, the following shall be established:
              the full power of the RSFSR in resolving all issues of state and public life, with the exception of those that are voluntarily transferred to the jurisdiction of the USSR;
              the supremacy of the Constitution of the RSFSR and the Laws of the RSFSR throughout the territory of the RSFSR; the acts of the Union of the SSR, which conflict with the sovereign rights of the RSFSR, are suspended by the Republic on its territory. Disagreements between the Republic and the Union are resolved in the manner established by the Union Treaty;
              the exclusive right of the people to possess, use and dispose of the national wealth of Russia;
              plenipotentiary representation of the RSFSR in other union republics and foreign countries;
              the right of the Republic to participate in the exercise of the powers delegated by it to the USSR.
              6. The Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic unites with other republics in the Union on the basis of the Treaty. The RSFSR recognizes and respects the sovereign rights of the Union Republics and the USSR.
              7. The RSFSR reserves the right to freely withdraw from the USSR in the manner established by the Union Treaty and legislation based on it.
              1. Suhov
                Suhov 12 June 2013 16: 19 New
                +1
                Quote: nycsson
                7. The RSFSR reserves the right to freely withdraw from the USSR in the manner established by the Union Treaty and legislation based on it.

                If in small print yes in the notes - it would look modern.
                That’s the way they are now in the treaties disguisedisplay.
                hi
      2. bezumnyiPIT
        bezumnyiPIT 12 June 2013 12: 06 New
        +7
        The site does not have Boris Yeltsin’s colleagues
        1. Melchakov
          Melchakov 12 June 2013 12: 33 New
          +6
          Quote: bezumnyiPIT
          The site does not have Boris Yeltsin’s colleagues

          There are two or three who simply do not understand anything in their nearness, but they will understand.
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 12 June 2013 15: 32 New
          +1
          Continued:

          8. The territory of the RSFSR cannot be changed without the will of the people expressed by referendum.
          9. The Congress of People's Deputies of the RSFSR confirms the need for a substantial expansion of the rights of the autonomous republics, autonomous regions, autonomous regions, as well as the territories and regions of the RSFSR. The specific issues of the exercise of these rights should be determined by the legislation of the RSFSR on the national-state and administrative-territorial structure of the Federation.
          10. All citizens and stateless persons residing in the territory of the RSFSR are guaranteed the rights and freedoms provided for by the Constitution of the RSFSR, the Constitution of the USSR, and generally recognized norms of international law.
          Representatives of nations and nationalities living in the RSFSR outside their national-state formations or not having them on the territory of the RSFSR are provided with their legal political, economic, ethnic and cultural rights.
          Citizens of the RSFSR outside the Republic are under the protection and patronage of the RSFSR.
          11. Throughout the territory of the RSFSR, the republican citizenship of the RSFSR is established. Each citizen of the RSFSR retains citizenship of the USSR.
          12. The RSFSR guarantees all citizens, political parties, public organizations, mass movements and religious organizations operating under the Constitution of the RSFSR equal equal legal opportunities to participate in the management of state and public affairs.
          13. Separation of legislative, executive and judicial powers is the most important principle of the functioning of the RSFSR as a rule of law state.
          14. The RSFSR declares its commitment to the universally recognized principles of international law and its readiness to live with peace and harmony with all countries and peoples, to take all measures to prevent confrontation in international, inter-republican and interethnic relations, while defending the interests of the peoples of Russia.
          15. This Declaration is the basis for the development of the new Constitution of the RSFSR, the conclusion of the Union Treaty and the improvement of republican legislation.
          Chairman of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR B.N. Yeltsin


          Moscow, Kremlin, June 12 1990 years.
      3. Ziksura
        Ziksura 12 June 2013 13: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: esaul
        You insult those who congratulate colleagues in their comments.

        Exactly.
  9. demeen1
    demeen1 12 June 2013 08: 54 New
    +1
    Happy holiday Russia and Russians
  10. war
    war 12 June 2013 08: 57 New
    27
    Today's Russia is an accomplished sovereign state, leading an independent domestic and foreign policy, independently determining the direction of its development, possessing colossal scientific, military, technical and human potential. Modern Russia is a country capable of protecting the rights of its citizens anywhere in the world.


    What nonsense.
    1. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 12 June 2013 12: 09 New
      +1
      The Russian Federation is the rotting skeleton of the Empire - this is the ship on which only the skin remained
      1. vBR
        vBR 12 June 2013 18: 23 New
        +2
        Well, in general, yes. An almost complete set of units remained from the Soviet system, but most broke and threw overboard. To call a captain wise, under whose guidance a lot of this happened and who is just beginning to vaguely understand it, is not logical. It is clear that against the background of Medvedev and Yeltsin, he looks better, but only naive people can talk about wisdom
  11. Stas57
    Stas57 12 June 2013 09: 06 New
    +5
    and is still perceived ambiguously in society,

    everything is clear
    rather, people do not accept it, understand the meaning, and do not want to understand it.
  12. Opera
    Opera 12 June 2013 09: 06 New
    +6
    Everyone just has a good day, do not be sad about the past and look to the future with optimism!
  13. Pilot200809
    Pilot200809 12 June 2013 09: 08 New
    -8
    C HOLIDAY! GREAT RUSSIA
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 12 June 2013 09: 19 New
      16
      I would say: Russia has dried up on a holiday !!! But you do not hope, soon everything will return to square one !!! bully
      1. esaul
        esaul 12 June 2013 09: 30 New
        -2
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        I would say: Russia has dried up on a holiday !!!

        Kaput propose to convert self-flagellation. Otherwise, the atmosphere is pumped up very much. Worthless colleague yes
        If it’s so sickening, then limit yourself to comments of this kind, as colleagues did

        Quote: borisjdin1957
        from the Don.
        With the next day off, among others, dear friends !!!


        That will be worthy, believe me.
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 12 June 2013 11: 24 New
          23
          Quote: esaul
          Kaput propose to convert self-flagellation. Otherwise, the atmosphere is pumped up very much.


          Valera! Was it a shout or an order now ?! There is no need to psychologically pressure colleagues, the overwhelming majority expressed their opinion, namely in favor of the USSR 2.0.
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 12 June 2013 13: 00 New
            +9
            Yesaul!

            You yourself always contradict yourself

            1. You advocated for the survey, in the last thread, you got it.
            2. The strategic goal of the VO forum is the unification of the entire post-Soviet space.
            3. Our task is to help, namely achieve this goal.
            4. If you are against, at least do not bother us.
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 12 June 2013 15: 44 New
              +8
              Quote: Apollon
              2. The strategic goal of the VO forum is the unification of everything, the post-Soviet space. 3. Our task is to provide assistance, namely to achieve this goal.

              Hi Apollo! Something about your moderators can’t say that your site has such a goal! Esaul + Urzul and Co.! I’ve been here for a long time and my opinion is just the opposite! And the nature of the articles on the site speaks for itself! How many times I tried to lay out articles characterizing our current reality, and administrators do not miss! The forum is mainly articles that are designed to further fool the population of the Russian Federation! Like this! This is my personal opinion! hi
              1. ozs
                ozs 12 June 2013 17: 46 New
                +5
                The forum is mainly articles that are designed to further fool the population of the Russian Federation! Like this! This is my personal opinion!

                So what can I talk about if they rejoice in a dozen new aircraft, and the fact that during this time hundreds are written off do not bother them.
                Then the topic slipped about the revival of the BZHRK, so I was not too lazy and found on the Internet a photo that shows the true state of the infrastructure of these complexes. It turns out that the entire infrastructure was dismantled for metal and construction waste, and this is not in the hungry 90s, but in the so-called well-fed two thousandths, under the leadership of the current government. What kind of revival of the army can be discussed if the army was managed by the director of a furniture store. But no, the Nashi and the Udroths are ready to justify any treacherous act of our power, the Barents Sea, the Daman Sea, Libya, the WTO, the reform of education, but they will never recognize that power works to the west!
                1. nycsson
                  nycsson 12 June 2013 21: 48 New
                  +4
                  Quote: ozs
                  but to admit that power works to the west, never recognize!

                  Totally agree with you! hi Articles are mostly about nothing! We stand, put it on the water, buy ....... by the 20 year, etc. Everything is in the future, but in the present there is practically nothing! At the same time, there is no analytics of the Russian economy today!
            2. esaul
              esaul 12 June 2013 17: 59 New
              0
              Quote: Apollon
              1.You advocated for the survey, in the last thread, you got it

              The coordinates or screen of my comment, where I am for the mythical poll, is in the studio ...
          2. DominusAstra
            DominusAstra 12 June 2013 16: 24 New
            -16
            USSR 2.0 build in your bathroom.
          3. esaul
            esaul 12 June 2013 18: 04 New
            -2
            Quote: Apollon
            Valera! Was it a shout or an order now ?! There is no need to psychologically pressure colleagues

            Quote: Apollon
            3.Our goal is to help, namely achieve this goal.


            СКРИН Ветка форума по статье "Друг познаётся в беде"

            Orthodox warrior (1)  Today, 15: 51 ↑
            After all, there was .... which is minus ...
            Geisenberg, не удивляйтесь! Или это наши "друзья"-сионисты или те, кто на дух не переносит Есаула. А статья у него действительно хорошая...


            Apollon Today, 20: 26 ↑
            Quote: Orthodox warrior
            Or is it ours
            I remind individual visitors of the VO forum, insults on the forum are prohibited, who forgot, I will remind

            EXTREMELY UNDERSTANDING UNDERSTANDING HELP AND ITS ROLE OF MODERATOR
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 12 June 2013 19: 27 New
              +7
              Quote: esaul
              СКРИН Ветка форума по статье "Друг познаётся в беде"

              Orthodox warrior (1)  Today, 15: 51 ↑
              After all, there was .... which is minus ...
              Geisenberg, не удивляйтесь! Или это наши "друзья"-сионисты или те, кто на дух не переносит Есаула. А статья у него действительно хорошая...


              Apollon Today, 20: 26 ↑
              Quote: Orthodox warrior
              Or is it ours
              I remind individual visitors of the VO forum, insults on the forum are prohibited, who forgot, I will remind

              EXTREMELY UNDERSTANDING UNDERSTANDING HELP AND ITS ROLE OF MODERATOR



              Answer Valera. Two visitors and you, as a moderator, violated the rules of VO. A visitor with a nickname Geisenberg insulted the persons who have promoted your article. You, instead of deleting the comment of the aforementioned visitor together with the comment of the visitor under the nickname Orthodox warrior, you yourself intentionally referred to it, that is, you indirectly also violated the rules. You didn’t even notice that I made an edit in your comment where you referred, in the link. Dots, in your comment where you referred, you don’t He speaks?! Why didn’t you delete this comment (Geisenberg). Although I’ll tell you why, because this comment suited you. I, unlike you, in spite of the ranks, authority, titles and rating, delete all comments. The rules of the VO site are the same and subject to execution for all.
              You, as a moderator, can easily check this. And the last, unlike you, has never imposed your opinion on anyone. Your bad policy is being overlooked. Namely, who is not with us is against us. This is a very bad and dangerous trend, comrade Esaul.
              1. esaul
                esaul 12 June 2013 20: 43 New
                -6
                Quote: Apollon
                Answer Valera

                Аполлон, Вы по прежнему, по бабьи всё стремитесь свести к разборкам и провоцируете на "диалог" , как Вы это называете. Вам - удалось. Отвечаю на ваш поразительно не умный пост и, надеюсь, это в последний раз.
                In order:
                Quote: Apollon
                You, as a moderator, violated the rules of VO. A visitor under the nickname Geisenberg insulted people who have promoted your article

                It was
                Quote: Apollon
                You, instead of removing the comment of the above visitor

                I saw this comment after I was absent from business and after it was already deleted by you (unlike you, I do not work in the field of sniffing and monitoring the public opinion of Russians), which, in principle, attracted my attention. I, like you, have been given the opportunity to see who deleted the comment.
                Quote: Apollon
                along with the visitor’s comment under the nickname Orthodox warrior,

                I saw this comment at the same time as the previous one.
                Quote: Apollon
                intentionally referred to him
                One must not be friends with one’s head, so that in words
                After all, there was .... which is minus ... to see insults for oneself. Moreover, it was written by a forum member just like that - with an ellipsis (and not I pointed these points fool ), without insulting anyone's address. If you go to a branch in a crowbar and see that it is, then this is your problem.
                Quote: Apollon
                I and your comments, in the link made an edit. Dots,
                Повторяю для особо "одарённых"(т.е. - к вам), что эти многоточия не ваша"правка", а тактичность форумчанина, высказавшего свои мысли и эмоции. Ваше самонадеянность - зашкаливает.
                Quote: Apollon
                . The rules of the VO site are the same and are enforceable for everyone.
                Absolutely true, and the desire to arrange a destructive showdown (which you have noticed more than once) just falls into the category of violations.
                Quote: Apollon
                You have not deleted this comment

                Even the Administrator, at one time, noted that I do not delete comments even if they are personally offensive to me. By this I want to show the THINKING forum users all the defectiveness of the insulting and provocative.
                Quote: Apollon
                never imposed his opinion.
                As much as I
                1. esaul
                  esaul 12 June 2013 20: 44 New
                  -1
                  CONTINUE

                  Quote: Apollon
                  Your bad policy is being overlooked. Namely, the thesis is that who is not with us is against us
                  But this would be visible to everyone if the Visitors, as well as the Moderators, were given the opportunity to see who votes and how. A kind of open vote. This is exactly what I voiced in the commentary that you cited as an example, as a commentary on the demand for a poll (once again twitching)
                  Here's what my sentence sounded Quote: esaul

                  So I’d like the voting on the site to be open

                  And here is your reaction to it

                  Do you need order on the forum or srach ?! Tovarisch moderator.
                  Interestingly, you interpret SRACH. If people see who and how to vote - it’s srach, and if you spread the showdown and from the branch to the branch to tell others to do it, then this is a polemic (from your words).
                  You do not quite correctly work out the s / n, Apollo.

                  В ЗАКЛЮЧЕНИИ - Аполлон, если ещё раз вы будете делать попытки провоцировать на личностные разборки, я вынужден буду аппелировать к Смирнову, чтобы это безобразие прекратить. Если вам не нравится что-то в моих словах из статей или комментах - пожалуйста высказывайтесь - ваше право, но без -" А почему Валерий не хочет с нами говорить..." или " Вы говорите не так...", " Это приказ...", "Это давление...". " ...Не пора бы на себя оборотиться...", как было сказано в одной басне Крылова
                  Good luck in your mind-building.
                  That's it, I went to sleep. Tomorrow I’ll deal with the construction of objects, and not breed on the Internet ...
                  1. The comment was deleted.
                  2. Apollo
                    Apollo 12 June 2013 21: 26 New
                    +4
                    continued, in your own language

                    Quote: esaul
                    But this would be visible to everyone if the Visitors, as well as the Moderators, were given the opportunity to see who votes and how. A kind of open vote. This is exactly what I voiced in the commentary that you cited as an example, as a commentary on the demand for a poll (once again twitching)


                    today's survey and a bunch of minuses put to you showed that you have failed completely, but I'm not gloating. On the contrary, I sincerely and humanly sympathize with you.


                    Quote: esaul
                    Do you need order on the forum or srach ?! Tovarisch moderator.
                    Interestingly, you interpret SRACH. If people see who and how to vote - it’s srach, and if you spread the showdown and from the branch to the branch to tell others to do it, then this is a polemic (from your words).
                    You do not quite correctly work out the s / n, Apollo.


                    the word srach is more familiar to you, you are an old-timer, unlike me, Valera, isn’t it true and I apologize for your frankness as frank as demagogy ?! I’ll be even more frank, if you will, because of such political leaders and pseudo-communists like you and me prosrali the USSR. As for the salary if you now do not prove out of the blue, I have every right to call you HAM.

                    Quote: esaul
                    Apollo, if once again you make attempts to provoke personal showdowns, I will have to appeal to Smirnov to stop this disgrace. If you do not like something in my words from articles or comments


                    And here is Vadim ?! winked You cannot answer and stand up for yourself, how do you stand up for this or that visitor, what moderator are you after that, Valera ?!
                    Буду еще предельно откровенным,не только Ваши слова но Вы как личность мне не нравитесь ,по той простой причине что Вы двуличный.помните фильм "Вечный зов" героя фильма Полипова,так эта Ваша копия.Узнаете себя?!

                    PS I apologize, I forgot to warn, stock up on valerian.
                    1. experienced
                      experienced 12 June 2013 21: 29 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Apollon
                      today's survey and a bunch of minuses put to you showed that you have failed completely, but I'm not gloating. On the contrary, I sincerely and humanly sympathize with you.

                      Как всегда, этот с лампасами "слился". Не раз бывало. Слаб духом и в коленках, партийный "перевертыш" hi
                    2. Anti
                      Anti 13 June 2013 01: 29 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Apollo
                      I will not fall to your level.


                      Apollo (without the letter "n")! You, for a long time, along with your clique, have been harassing Esaul. I just can’t understand what goal you are pursuing. Which one? Could this clarify what it is, jealousy, envy or? Esaul, judging by his posts, is a deeply decent person, and in many ways I have the same opinion with him, and I also disagree in many ways if it does not coincide with mine. You constantly provoke Esaul, to which he prudently kept silent, but today you still got him, and I'm sure you got satisfaction, are you glad for the minuses put to him, right? Valery is a counterbalance to your clique, without him you would have crushed everyone here, and do not again refer to the fact that he is my patron and the like, all this is babbling. It’s not solid of you to do this, not solid. Could you figure out the attitude in PM, so no to the public .. oh sorry, there is no public in the PM, nobody will notice you there. You do not have a place in moderation. My personal opinion. And they have not yet risen to the level of Yesaul and are unlikely to rise.

                      Your method is a pack and one ..
                      1. Apollo
                        Apollo 13 June 2013 02: 04 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Anti
                        You, for a long time, along with your clique, have been harassing Esaul. I just can’t understand what goal you are pursuing. Which one? Could this clarify what it is, jealousy, envy or? Esaul, judging by his posts, is a deeply decent person, and in many ways I have the same opinion with him, and I also disagree in many ways if it does not coincide with mine. You constantly provoke Esaul, to which he prudently kept silent, but today you still got him, and I'm sure you got satisfaction, are you glad for the minuses put to him, right?

                        I didn’t want to answer you, I thought the conversation was over, well, what did they ask for themselves.
                        1. About the clique. Heard such an expression. I heard a jingle, but I don’t know where it came from. Are you a former visitor under the nickname Oleg 0705 who arranges srach in the forum?! Or do you have a short memory? whose interests (or rather, which gang) you serve me are also well known.
                        Returning to your own expression,clique, I would like to note, yes, on the forum I have friends and interests. Is that forbidden ?! laughing
                        2. Regarding provocation. It’s not me, but your protégé who always provokes visitors and drives them into a corner, shutting up their mouths when they try to object to him. I did not understand what he authorized at night winked You will act as a lawyer. As far as I know, you are not a lawyer and work at a ball-bearing factory.
                        3.About the goal pursued by me. Yes, the goal exists, tell you what, the goal pursued by me is the next, to get up counterweight between Yesaul and visitors who disagree with him.
                        4. About satisfaction. Mistake, colleague,
                      2. Anti
                        Anti 13 June 2013 02: 24 New
                        0
                        Quote: Apollo
                        Are you a former visitor under the nickname Oleg0705 who arranges kicking on the forum?! Or do you have a short memory ?! I had to remind you. What group are you and whose interests (or rather, what kind of gang) you serve are also well known to me.


                        No, I don’t have a short memory, and I won’t deny it, for me then, those with whom you say I had a break, were or were put up as enemies of Russia, my goal was to get more warnings and be banned, naively, but I thought then, this is the first forum in my life. And my grouping is my Motherland, and I defend its interests, although I live in another country.

                        You will act as a lawyer. As far as I know, you are not a lawyer and work at a ball-bearing factory.


                        I’m not an advocate, and I don’t have to be one if a decent person is persecuted, but just to intervene, wouldn’t you do that? Do you see the neglect on your part of the Workers or?
                        Accept and my minus hi
                      3. Apollo
                        Apollo 13 June 2013 02: 36 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Anti
                        No, I don’t have a short memory, and I won’t deny it, for me then, those with whom you say I had a break, were or were put up as enemies of Russia, my goal was to get more warnings and be banned, naively, but I thought then, this is the first forum in my life. And my grouping is my Motherland, and I defend its interests, although I live in another country.


                        It’s good that you do not deny and admit that it’s meritorious in itself. But who gave you the right to judge people and on what basis?! Moreover, write them down as enemies of the people. As for your phrase, my Motherland is everyone’s choice. My own The homeland is the USSR, where I got everything from life. As a result of the collapse. I lost everything that could be lost, dreams, goals and confidence in the future.
                      4. Anti
                        Anti 13 June 2013 02: 44 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Apollon
                        But. Who gave you the right to judge people and by what right?! Yes, even write down as enemies of the people.

                        Do their posts harmful to the motherland really need a right for this? And the court will judge.
                        Quote: Apollon
                        .My homeland is the USSR, where I received everything from life. As a result of the collapse. I lost everything that could be lost, dreams, goals and confidence in the future.


                        She and mine. And also lost a lot.
                      5. Apollo
                        Apollo 13 June 2013 02: 52 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Anti
                        She and mine. And also lost a lot.


                        This is our dialogue with you. Alas, you are finished. You see in the form. I had a good rest, but I really got tired. In the morning on the forum, Write, but keep in mind. VO rules are valid, and given your tendency to srach, I remind you not to broke the rules. !!! laughing So for now.
                      6. Anti
                        Anti 13 June 2013 02: 56 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Apollon
                        This is our dialogue with you. Alas, you are finished. You see in the form. I had a good rest, but I really got tired. In the morning on the forum, Write, but keep in mind. VO rules are valid, and given your tendency to srach, I remind you not to broke the rules. !!! laughing So for now.

                        I also came home from work a couple of hours ago and my battery also died. Also, do not forget to take into account your penchant for srach laughing !!! So, bye, too!
              2. Apollo
                Apollo 13 June 2013 02: 28 New
                +2
                more...

                Quote: Anti
                Valery is a counterbalance to your clique, without him you would have crushed everyone here, and do not again refer to the fact that he is my patron and the like, all this is babbling. It’s not solid of you to do this, not solid. Could you figure out the attitude in PM, so no to the public .. oh sorry, there is no public in the PM, nobody will notice you there. You do not have a place in moderation. My personal opinion. And to the level
                Yesaul has not yet risen, and is unlikely to rise.


                1. Regarding the PM and the public, I’ll answer this way, he writes on the forum and that means he will receive an answer from me on the forum. He will write me the PM in PM. Regarding the public, why do we write and for whom. We write naturally for those who us reads. In general, it’s interesting or rather incomprehensible posing of the question. Doesn’t it seem to you Oleg ?!
                2. Regarding moderation, there is a site administration. Only she and only she has the right to judge moderation for me for the future or not. So this question is beyond your competence. Do you think moderating is so simple.
                3. As for the level of the person you mentioned, here you’ve got to the point. I’ve never tried and will write to you for the future,God forbid.

                I didn’t want to put you a minus but for an ugly treatment with my nickname


                Quote: Apollon
                Apollo (without the letter "n")!


                catch from me at night looking minus.
      2. Apollo
        Apollo 12 June 2013 21: 09 New
        +3
        Quote: esaul
        Apollo, you still by woman всё стремитесь свести к разборкам и провоцируете на "диалог" , как Вы это называете. Вам - удалось. Отвечаю на ваш поразительно не умный пост и, надеюсь, это в последний раз.


        I’ll answer only the highlighted ones, the nerves pass Esaul ....?! I will not fall to your level.

        Quote: esaul
        It was


        why didn’t they take action right away ?! winked oooooh you have it right away and the answer is ready

        Quote: esaul
        I saw this comment after I was absent from business and after it was already deleted by you (unlike you, I I do not work in the field of sniffing and tracking public opinion of Russians)


        rather, excuse. laughing and easier on the turns. It’s good that they still admitted that I deleted, which was required to prove.


        Quote: esaul
        Moreover, it was written by a forum member just like that - with ellipsis (and I didn’t set these points), without insults to anyone’s address.


        I put dots for your information in your comment too.


        Quote: esaul
        Повторяю для особо "одарённых"(т.е. - к вам), что эти многоточия не ваша"правка", а тактичность форумчанина, высказавшего свои мысли и эмоции.


        Yesaul is a comment of the visitor I mentioned in the archive, I can restore it and convict you of a lie. Do not force me to this.



        Quote: esaul
        the desire to arrange a destructive showdown (which you have noticed more than once) just falls into the category of violations.


        where and when, links to the studio and always indicating where and what I violated. Just do not need general words and blah blah.


        Quote: esaul
        Even the Administrator, at one time, noted that I do not delete comments even if they are personally offensive to me.


        push on a tear ?!crying


        Quote: esaul
        As much as I


        did not notice.
        1. experienced
          experienced 12 June 2013 21: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: Apollon
          I’ll answer only the highlighted, the nerves pass Esaul ....I will not fall to your level.

          It must be a deep-sea diver or have a bathyscaphe laughing
          Such hypocrisy and ... licking, just wonder and marvel winked
          What is Yesaul, so a guy with a twig that shits on the shallow. IMHO
          But with a good roof on this site! Otherwise, it would have merged for a long time
        2. Tartary
          Tartary 13 June 2013 03: 36 New
          0
          Quote: Apollon
          I’ll answer only the highlighted ones, the nerves pass Esaul ....?! I will not fall to your level.


          Funny statement ...)))

          I recall how a certain Apollo from Germany, who had recently appeared on the forum, tried repeatedly to tell me in a personal way how he would buy a plane ticket right now and fly, like Carlson, to the Far East, beat my face, liver, etc. etc.))))

          I barely discouraged you to commit rash acts and could not convince me to stop writing any kind of abominations in PM ... Smirnov is a witness to that.

          I remember you owe me back and forth for tickets, exactly half their price ...
          Plus, preserved health at the price of traumatology in Germany ...)))

          Do not want to close the debt ??)))))

          In general, I wonder how you got into the moderators? Maybe something promised a kind of administration?
          Was the recruitment successful ??))))

          Yesaul is always equal in relationship.
          What you, however, have not noticed ...

          When will we grow up?
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 13 June 2013 03: 41 New
            -1
            Quote: Tartary
            Funny statement ...)))


            ооооооо,наконец то голос прорезался,Тартарий,бывший посетитель под ником Злой Татарин,помню,конечно же помню Вас как вояки который боролся с дамами,"герой"?! laughing
            1. Tartary
              Tartary 13 June 2013 07: 18 New
              -1
              Quote: Apollon
              Quote: Tartary
              Funny statement ...)))


              ооооооо,наконец то голос прорезался,Тартарий,бывший посетитель под ником Злой Татарин,помню,конечно же помню Вас как вояки который боролся с дамами,"герой"?! laughing


              Yes, as if he (the voice) had never sagged at me ... I just don’t often see the point of doing subtlety ...

              Before whom to throw beads, huh? Before those who keep my rating under control?

              Funny - Chess word ...)))

              А что память свежей держите - молодца... Однако, народу продвигаете иное... Видать "светлая" память избирательна? Ну а чего-ж - "прогрессивный" Запад ведь за окном, а не какая-нить там "немытая" Россия...)))

              Однако, даже я не смогу утверждать на сколь-либо большой процент, что оппонент, заявивший себя дамой, не почесывает "кокосы" иной раз, пописывая в нете...

              Поэтому, не надо было тут мне тогда, да и сейчас давить на джентЕльменство - оставьте это для лохов. Да и для тех, кто к джентльменам из "солнечного" альбиона имеет прямое отношений...
              To adequate ladies and not quite ladies))), in general I have an adequate attitude ... To inadequate, especially not ladies at all - unequivocal ...

              By the way, why will you write in the plural? Again mislead the people?
              Или "одесситка" вас всех в свою веру обернула?))
              Кстати, а куда "она" делась? Отрастил(а) пейсы, одел(а) "ракушку" на пах под униформу и небось подалась в Сирию?
            2. Tartary
              Tartary 13 June 2013 12: 15 New
              +2
              Well, with the minuses, it’s clear ... There is nothing to say in response - that’s what your request problem...
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 12 June 2013 21: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: esaul
      As much as I

      Do not la la! You constantly impose your opinion on others, and with such impudence .....
      1. experienced
        experienced 12 June 2013 22: 03 New
        0
        Quote: nycsson
        Do not la la! You constantly impose your opinion on others, and with such impudence .....

        There is sometimes a gay
        "Приветствую Вас, коллега..." и ласковое "охмурение козлевичей", ну а если форумчанин не поддается, то тогда "травля" winked
  14. nycsson
    nycsson 12 June 2013 21: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Apollon
    And the last, unlike you, has never imposed your opinion on anyone. A bad policy is being looked through. Namely, who is not with us is against us. This is a very bad and dangerous trend, comrade Esaul.

    I fully support! Yesaul was repeatedly seen behind this case ............
  • nycsson
    nycsson 12 June 2013 15: 36 New
    0
    Quote: esaul
    If it’s so sickening, then limit yourself to comments of this kind, as colleagues did

    Quote: esaul
    Valera! Was that a shout or an order now?

    So I do not understand! Imposing your opinion is not good! negative
  • DominusAstra
    DominusAstra 12 June 2013 16: 23 New
    -12
    Нет, спасибо, мы не хотим обратно в "советский экономический рай".
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 12 June 2013 17: 17 New
      +4
      Quote: DominusAstra
      Нет, спасибо, мы не хотим обратно в "советский экономический рай".


      Who are you?
      1. DominusAstra
        DominusAstra 12 June 2013 22: 16 New
        -7
        Those who do not crow on the Internet about the USSR 2.0, of course.
    2. vBR
      vBR 12 June 2013 18: 44 New
      +7
      Are you DominusAstra? And a lot of you under this nickname? Well, consider, do not pull by force :)
      I just would like to make a small remark. All the inhabitants of the Russian Federation have not yet stretched their legs only thanks to the legacy of the Soviet system, 70% of which was created in the 70-80s. Including explored and equipped gas and oil fields, oil refineries and pipelines with a needle - thanks to this and the price conjuncture, some residents were allowed to buy fords and travel to Turkey, as well as nuclear weapons, thanks to which the inhabitants were not mixed with nuclear dust yet. Well, the remnants of the personnel scientific and industrial skeleton, mainly pensioners who are doing something else, its reproduction has not been, and is not. And you could fill up with Chinese and European junk even under the USSR - well, you would have been unfastened from national income, since people are suffering this way :)
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 12 June 2013 21: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: Vbr
        All the inhabitants of the Russian Federation have not yet stretched their legs only thanks to the legacy of the Soviet system, 70% of which was created in 70-80.

        Golden words! hi good
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 13 June 2013 12: 14 New
    +1
    mutant broiler ....
  • ruslan7608
    ruslan7608 12 June 2013 09: 12 New
    -11
    Happy Russians !!!
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 12 June 2013 15: 48 New
      +5
      Quote: ruslan7608
      Happy Russians !!!

      Quote: ruslan7608
      Happy holiday Russians !!!!

      Russians! wassat Favorite word EBN! am
  • kazssr
    kazssr 12 June 2013 09: 14 New
    -13
    Happy holiday Russians !!!!
    1. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 12 June 2013 12: 09 New
      -12
      Thank you brother!
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 12 June 2013 09: 16 New
    23
    В том далеком 90-ом году, работая регулировщиком РЭА на номерном заводе (завод уперестроили), сидя у осциллографа с очередной платой для проверки у меня вдруг зачесался затылок "Россия теперь независимая! О как! А от кого? Я, как самый молодой, у мужиков у коллег то же самое спросил. Меня матерно отругнули -У тебя плат неотрегулированных целый ящик, а ты хе_ней занимаешься, пройдет все. Не прошло...
  • riding
    riding 12 June 2013 09: 16 New
    21
    On that day, which is now declared a holiday, a powerful stake was driven into the fate of the USSR. Therefore, just a day off.
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 12 June 2013 09: 26 New
    +7
    from the Don.
    With the next day off, among others, dear friends !!!
  • omsbon
    omsbon 12 June 2013 09: 26 New
    +8
    Вчера, не смотря на рекомендации ЕС, были приняты два знаковых закона. Специально не упоминаю какие, что бы эти "недрозумения" не думали, что кого-то в России волнуют их задние проблемы!

    Dear friends! Congratulations on my incomprehensible holiday!
  • erased
    erased 12 June 2013 09: 29 New
    38
    I do not celebrate! I, a Soviet man, got used to the fact that my country is always independent and strong! And no need to devote a special day to walk and enjoy - I am independent!
    I celebrate the Great Victory Day on May 9, because our ancestors (and my grandfather among them) defended this independence from enemies. I respect the date of December 30, because on this day the USSR was created - my homeland! I love January 1st - it's a good traditional holiday!
    And June 12-is that a reminder of the death of the USSR? Or who ruined the Union? Those days I remember well. No one then experienced a festive mood.
    So what are we celebrating today? ..
    1. avt
      avt 12 June 2013 09: 39 New
      15
      Quote: erased
      And June 12-is that a reminder of the death of the USSR? Or who ruined the Union? Those days I remember well. No one then experienced a festive mood.
      So what are we celebrating today? ..

      And who knows what they are celebrating. laughing Even the sky over Moscow either laughs to tears at those celebrating, or cries request The campaign, by analogy with the Bible story, gathered to celebrate the sale of the birthright for lentil stew, well, today, for several varieties of sausage.
  • slaventi
    slaventi 12 June 2013 09: 30 New
    16
    12 June 1990, when the Congress of People's Deputies of the Republic adopted the Declaration on State Sovereignty of the RSFSR. On December 12, 1991, the Supreme Council of the RSFSR denounced the 1936 Treaty on the Formation of the USSR [6] inoperative from the 1922 of the year [7] and recalled Russian deputies from the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, celebrated annually since the 1992 of the year. Regardless of whom, the Soviet Union fell as a result of treason Gorbachev and K, it was historical Russia, millions of our compatriots remained abroad, the Russians became a divided nation. A national and state disaster occurred. As a result, an occupational power system has developed in the country. Russia has turned It collapsed into the colony of the United States and its vassals. This led to such losses that they are comparable to those of the Great Patriotic War. Economic losses are already greater than in the Great Patriotic War, human losses are approaching them. Culture, education are being destroyed, people are being actively decomposed by the media. But the yoke even the worst does not happen forever. Now Russia has headed for sovereignty. I think that soon we will have a real holiday for Russia when it actually becomes free.
    1. M. Peter
      M. Peter 12 June 2013 10: 18 New
      +3
      There are such prerequisites.
  • Forget
    Forget 12 June 2013 09: 32 New
    -5
    Happy holiday to you! Especially Transbaikalia!
    1. Forget
      Forget 12 June 2013 16: 03 New
      +3
      understand ... to celebrate or not to celebrate recourse ..
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 12 June 2013 17: 20 New
        +4
        Quote: Forget
        understand ... to celebrate or not to celebrate


        do not be upset with the comrade, it’s just a very urgent question - for many, first of all, it is a question of self-identification, and this is always difficult, especially in the given conditions. hi
  • iulai
    iulai 12 June 2013 09: 43 New
    -49
    But Yeltsin was doing great when he threw so many parasites off his neck! If they were also sitting on their neck, for sure, the section would be bloody. And this day is a holiday of Russia, and not some sort of amorphous state of the USSR! He lived in the USSR, lived well only in Moscow, and the rest of the country stood in eternal lines. Children had a problem in winter to buy fruit. Yes, the outskirts lived well, due to the RSFSR. So with the holiday gentlemen, comrades !!!!!!
    1. M. Peter
      M. Peter 12 June 2013 10: 22 New
      17
      SchA apparently the former RSFSR, now no one is independent of the Russian Federation, in chocolate, right?
      1. rainufa
        rainufa 8 November 2013 00: 03 New
        0
        In fact, on the ava of Comrade iulai, the coat of arms of the Republic of Bashkortostan is part of the Russian Federation and has been part of Russia for 456 years.
        Would you at least learn the name of the regions of your country (((.
  • DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 12 June 2013 09: 48 New
    38
    For whom is a holiday, and for whom is the day the occupation of the country began ... I congratulate no one ...
  • Petergut
    Petergut 12 June 2013 09: 54 New
    17
    Independence Day? Oh well...
  • DmitriyM99
    DmitriyM99 12 June 2013 09: 57 New
    -7
    Happy Russian Day !!!!!
  • Gato
    Gato 12 June 2013 10: 07 New
    +5
    No comments.
  • waisson
    waisson 12 June 2013 10: 08 New
    13
    what kind of independence is it from the republics of sayuz? Even the name of the Amerian consultants was probably imposed. I would call this day a day of remembrance of the once mighty state of the USSR.
  • cpk72
    cpk72 12 June 2013 10: 18 New
    22
    I have about this holiday, there are no censorship words.
  • Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 12 June 2013 10: 22 New
    17
    Modern Russia is a country capable of protecting the rights of its citizens anywhere in the world.

    Не хотелось бы портить людям настроение, но всё же хотелось бы знать, где это Россия отстаивает права своих граждан? В каком таком "уголке мира", и почему не отстаивает права своих граждан ВНУТРИ СТРАНЫ. Осторожней надо быть с подобными заявлениями. А вообще этот день 12 июня (декларация о суверенитете была принята 11 июня 1990 г., а 12 июня избрали ЕБНа) начало гибели СССР, так что мне нечего отмечать, разве что очередной выходной.
  • DAEDALUS
    DAEDALUS 12 June 2013 10: 27 New
    -6
    Happy Holidays, citizens! drinks
  • vol46an
    vol46an 12 June 2013 10: 31 New
    10
    12 June 1924 was born George W. Bush, the 41 President of the United States (1989 — 1993), an American statesman who hated the USSR with all the fibers of his soul.
    On June 12 of 1991, he was elected President of the RSFSR - a heavy veil of wild capitalism fell on Russia, the country was thrown back centuries ago.
  • Combitor
    Combitor 12 June 2013 10: 31 New
    23
    <Праздник развала страны
    Tomorrow is an official state holiday, Independence Day of Russia. In our country, it is celebrated relatively recently, but already causes a very different reaction in society. Indeed, in fact, this day marks the largest geopolitical catastrophe of the XNUMXth century - the collapse of the Soviet Union. At the same time, a whole generation has grown up that has no idea about the history of this “holiday”, and perceives it exclusively from the everyday point of view - an extra day off, folk festivals, barbecue and beer ..
    Exactly 23 years ago (June 12, 1990), deputies of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR proclaimed Russia sovereign and independent. As they have long been joking among the people - independent of itself. In fact, with the adoption of this decision, the country ceased to exist as a global geopolitical player influencing decision-making. The country has ceased to be a leader in the scientific and technical field. The people divided, and the future began to seem uncertain.
    For Americans, the most important public holiday is July 4, the Day of the proclamation of the Great Declaration of Independence of the United States. France honors and celebrates July 14 - Bastille Day - The day of the French Revolution.
    And Russia should have its own national holiday.
    Country Day should embody in itself its history, identity, statehood, as well as culture. It should embody not one or another period of its existence, but its general identity and general constancy.
    It is quite obvious that June 12 - especially with the motivation that is used today - is an extremely unconvincing date. And for the role of Russia Day - absolutely not suitable. When it was the day of the adoption of the "Declaration on the State Sovereignty of Russia" - it was clear what was at stake. Although it is not clear what to celebrate here. The collapse of the country or the victory of our geopolitical competitors?
    Take at least a few examples. It does not occur to the British to celebrate Independence Day from India, the French - Independence Day from Algeria. Moreover, Ukraine and Georgia, cut off from Russia, as well as the Baltic states and other republics, are not Algeria or India at all.
    But independence from yourself - this is already from the field of psychiatry - if one day you lose your arm, will you mark this day every year as the date of independence of your arm from the whole body? That sounds silly, but that's exactly what is happening today!
    A lot has already been said and written about the consequences of this “independence”. The declaration of sovereignty of Russia, i.e. The priority of the laws of Russia over the laws of the Union meant the destruction of the Union - and posing a huge question over the whole heroic and positive assessment of this process and all these events.
    To link June 12 with Russia as such is to renounce its thousand-year history. From its historical areas and territories, as well as geopolitical interests. From their compatriots who, as a result of the events of this day, were cut off from their homeland and doomed to the role of strangers and “non-citizens”.
    12 июня – это не День России, это день великого краха..> "Политическое обозрение".
    There is nothing to add.
  • prophet190
    prophet190 12 June 2013 10: 33 New
    16
    For me it is a celebration of defeat. Nothing good.
  • Tao
    Tao 12 June 2013 10: 37 New
    15
    Fools damn it, how can you celebrate ... The destruction of their own great empire of the USSR?
  • Gato
    Gato 12 June 2013 10: 46 New
    +5
    The question is not the topic:
    Today, according to Ukrainian news, there was infa that the Russian Federation passed a law banning Pid .. propaganda. Is there any confirmation?
    1. True
      True 12 June 2013 11: 00 New
      -2
      It's true. For lack of anything better, the authorities began to fight with gays. Indeed, corruption and the drug business have already been defeated, right. And our roads are good and the houses are excellent. Some gays of the problems remained.
      OUR AUTHORITIES VERY LOVE TO FIGHT THAT WHICH IS NOT OR OR THAT THAT THREATS DOES NOT REPRESENT,
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 12 June 2013 11: 06 New
        +6
        Nobody is fighting with us. In our country they are forced to be tolerant of the majority. And that’s it.
        Gays in Russia have absolutely the same rights as citizens of a traditional orientation.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 12 June 2013 10: 48 New
    +9
    They couldn’t justify a holiday even in the 90’s normally, the day of some kind of independence of someone from someone, I hope that every time on June 12, devils in hell splash elcinoid in a cauldron of boiling oil over the norm.
  • optimist
    optimist 12 June 2013 10: 54 New
    +9
    Only the finished dye beat celebrate independence from themselves ... I hope that a simple and adequate people will simply enjoy an extra day off. And no more...
  • True
    True 12 June 2013 10: 55 New
    18
    National Shame Day
    1. Dimitry
      Dimitry 12 June 2013 14: 47 New
      -4
      True, you probably get sincere pleasure from laying out such topics, the standard position of a pessimist who questions the faith in his fatherland.
  • Gato
    Gato 12 June 2013 10: 55 New
    -4
    France honors and celebrates July 14 - Bastille Day

    I also celebrate. True, I can’t explain why. I like this holiday. laughing
  • Stas57
    Stas57 12 June 2013 11: 04 New
    +8
    And in the capital, rain. Even nature is crying ...
  • Aleksys2
    Aleksys2 12 June 2013 11: 12 New
    16
    Independence Day, Day of Sovereign Russia, Russia self-sufficient and independent, reviving and Great.

    Let's take a look at the revival of Russia. Let's take two periods: 1. 1991 year is 2013 year and 1917 year is 1940 year. Two Russia, each of which passed 22 years, let's see who could do something during this time.
    So:
    1. 25 October 1917 year - The Great October Socialist Revolution.
    1918 year - 1922 year - Civil war
    1922 year - the USSR was created by combining the RSFSR, the Ukrainian SSR, the Byelorussian SSR and the ZSFSR.
    1922 - 1928 year plan GOELRO, NEP.
    1928 - 1933 - The First Five-Year Plan
    1933 - 1938 - The Second Five-Year Plan
    1940 - In 1940, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina were included in the USSR, the Moldavian, Latvian, Lithuanian and Estonian SSRs were created.
    Bottom line: By 1940, about 9 thousand new plants were built. By the end of the second five-year period in terms of industrial production, the USSR took the second place in the world, second only to the USA (if we consider the British metropolis, dominions and colonies as one state, then the USSR will be in third place in the world after the USA and Britain). Imports dropped sharply, which was seen as the country's gaining economic independence. Open unemployment has been eliminated. Employment (at full rates) increased from one third of the population in 1928 to 45% in 1940, which accounted for about half of GNP growth. For the period 1928 — 1937. Universities and technical schools have trained about 2 million specialists. Many new technologies have been mastered. So, only during the first five-year period was the production of synthetic rubber, motorcycles, watches, cameras, excavators, high-quality cement and high-quality steel grades launched. The foundation was also laid for Soviet science, which, in certain areas, eventually gained leading world positions.
    And what good happened between the 1991 year and the 2013 year?
    1. ozs
      ozs 12 June 2013 12: 59 New
      17
      There is nothing good, although some even on this site may find advantages among this slag.

      We entered the WTO, killed aircraft manufacturing, shipbuilding, machine tool building, reduced the population in particular the Slavic, killed education, gave the army control to furniture makers, actively sold resources and territories, created a bunch of unnecessary holidays, rewritten history, produced managers and near-by Nashi who any action of power, shouting cheers, we are reborn.
      So, the USSR was a real state and the holidays were real, and now the authorities are fake and the holidays are just as fake. All with a day of betrayal, with the holiday of Russia's independence from Russia.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 12 June 2013 16: 39 New
      +6
      Quote: Aleksys2
      And what good happened between the 1991 year and the 2013 year?

      Yeah! Write everything correctly! From 91 to 13, Russia turned into a raw materials appendage of the West with the complete collapse of industry, culture, education, medicine, the army and navy, morality, etc. crying
  • Ilya Mikhalych
    Ilya Mikhalych 12 June 2013 11: 13 New
    15
    Although I did not live under the USSR and know little about that life, I still think that the holiday is meaningless. Independence Day ? From whom ? Who did we depend on before? From themselves chtoli? Nonsense . Nevertheless, the day off will not hurt, even though you don’t need to go for couples. All with an extra weekend !!! laughing
    1. DominusAstra
      DominusAstra 12 June 2013 16: 44 New
      -12
      From the republics, which only the authorities sought to grab more.
      Independence is not necessarily from someone.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 12 June 2013 17: 26 New
        +4
        Quote: DominusAstra
        From the republics, which only the authorities sought to grab more.


        it is only in your head.



        Quote: DominusAstra
        Independence is not necessarily from someone.


        You here comrade rebuked in illiteracy, probably then to demonstrate their ignorance?
        Возьмите букварь и выясните что означает термин - "независимость" по отношению к государству, --- многое для себя откроете bully .
        1. ed1968
          ed1968 12 June 2013 19: 01 New
          -2
          actually he is right
        2. DominusAstra
          DominusAstra 12 June 2013 22: 17 New
          -4
          Well yes. But Ukraine and Estonia with Latvia passionately wanted to be part of the USSR, so they fled so quickly?
          1. family tree
            family tree 12 June 2013 22: 56 New
            +1
            Quote: DominusAstra
            Well yes. But Ukraine and Estonia with Latvia passionately wanted to be part of the USSR, so they fled so quickly?

            Well, at least get into Vika, huh? There is a sign, everything will become clear. Herehttp: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%8E%D0%B7%D0%
            BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%84%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BC_%D0%
            BE_%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%85%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%
            A1% D0% A0
            The All-Union referendum on the preservation of the USSR is called
            1. DominusAstra
              DominusAstra 12 June 2013 23: 08 New
              -2
              Please read the article yourself, and then you will see that in Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Georgia and Armenia, most citizens spoke out for state sovereignty.
              Do not forget that in 1993 at a referendum, the majority voted in favor of Yeltsin, and not the Armed Forces.
              I understand that you are nostalgic for the Homeland, but still, let's get to know the material ourselves.
              1. family tree
                family tree 13 June 2013 08: 17 New
                +3
                Read it for yourself. There, the local government did not create central commissions, boycotting the referendum. But in those areas, in these countries where the vote took place, the majority spoke in favor. And I’m nostalgic not for the Motherland, she is with me, but for that industrial and raw materials complex and the scientific and production potential that was tied to all the republics, and from which zilch remained. I don’t give a damn about the CPSU, but the death of the driver is not a reason for tearing the car apart.
  • Apollo
    Apollo 12 June 2013 11: 20 New
    18
    Good day to all! hi

    My answer on this thread will be these two clips.



    1. MG42
      MG42 12 June 2013 14: 48 New
      +6
      2-е видео очень понравилось авторы старались передать национальный колорит большой семьи республик сестёр, какую страну потеряли >>что имеем не храним потерявши плачем..
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 12 June 2013 16: 49 New
      +6
      Quote: Apollon
      My answer on this thread will be these two clips.

      Thank you for the video! A tear struck ........
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 12 June 2013 21: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Apollon
      My answer on this thread


      CLASS !!!!!!!!!!!! APOLLO!!!!!!!!!! good drinks hi I have no words ..... remembered MINSK .. their student years ....... crying
  • MG42
    MG42 12 June 2013 11: 25 New
    +8
    Законодатели мод >>> скоро будет через три недели День независимости США Independence Day — день подписания Декларации независимости США в 1776 году, которая провозглашает независимость США от Королевства Великобритании. 4 июля День
    Independence is considered the birthday of the United States ..
    Гринго можно понять они освободились от бритов, согласен праздник <неоднозначный> = Россия освободилась от бывших братских республик, когда состоялся развал СССР..
    Just a day off ..
    1. Gato
      Gato 12 June 2013 11: 29 New
      +3
      And in England July 4 does not celebrate the Independence Day of the Kingdom of Great Britain from the United States? laughing
      1. MG42
        MG42 12 June 2013 11: 39 New
        +8
        Слёзы льют..зато амеры счастливы >>во как празднуют wassat
        Помните эпическое кино <День независимости> голливудское, когда президент США рулит истребителем отважно бьётся с инопланетянами..
        1. itkul
          itkul 12 June 2013 11: 53 New
          -9
          Quote: MG42
          Слёзы льют..зато амеры счастливы >>во как празднуют


          They remembered the Americans again, by the way, in the USA, on Independence Day, they got fucking discounts in stores, if only we had
          1. MG42
            MG42 12 June 2013 12: 33 New
            +6
            Quote: itkul
            They remembered the Americans again, by the way, in the USA, on Independence Day, they got fucking discounts in stores, if only we had

            Yes, for a barrel of jam and a basket of cookies, from the bourgeoisie and the homeland sold the bad boy in a fairy tale ..
            1. itkul
              itkul 12 June 2013 12: 56 New
              0
              Quote: MG42
              Yes, for a barrel of jam and a basket of cookies, from the bourgeoisie and the homeland sold the bad boy in a fairy tale ..


              Actually, the bad boy sold the military secret, not his homeland. And I liked it in the United States, in 2006 I got to their Mobile holiday, this is a town in the Gulf of Mexico. The mood in the people is festive, there are discounts up to 50% on stores the central square is a concert of local performers, there are tables with free refreshments, and the people are very friendly and open.
              1. MG42
                MG42 12 June 2013 13: 29 New
                +6
                Quote: itkul
                Actually, the bad boy sold military secret, not his homeland.

                Ie if people sold military secret to the enemy, didn’t he thereby betray the Homeland? belay
                Quote: itkul
                The mood of the people is festive, there are discounts of up to 50% in stores, a concert of local performers is in the central square, there are tables with free refreshments, and the people are very friendly and open.

                one day = this does not mean that they will set the tables for the remaining 364 days a year and be friendly ..
                1. itkul
                  itkul 12 June 2013 15: 23 New
                  +3
                  Quote: MG42
                  Ie if people sold military secret to the enemy, didn’t he thereby betray the Homeland?


                  So it seems like we are now all for the revival of Orthodoxy in Russia, in realities until 1917. So the Kibalchish boy was a Jewish commie who made the revolution, and accordingly the Russian bad boy who supported the Tsar was a hero. Or I didn’t understand something
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 12 June 2013 15: 30 New
                    12
                    Quote: itkul
                    Jewish commie, and accordingly a bad boy who against the commie was a hero Or something I misunderstood

                    We will not flood off topic, I am for the project of the USSR 2.0.
                    1. itkul
                      itkul 12 June 2013 16: 16 New
                      +1
                      Quote: MG42
                      I am for the project of the USSR 2.0.


                      But I’m personally against it, I will never forget how they cut and drove Russians out of Central Asia and the Caucasus. I look, many have already begun to forget about it.
                      1. MG42
                        MG42 12 June 2013 16: 26 New
                        +2
                        Quote: itkul
                        how Russians were cut and kicked out of Central Asia and the Caucasus

                        When was this in the USSR? I remember only Karabakh 1988 where Armenians and Azerbaijanis participated ..
                        I wonder how many Russians are in Chechnya now? Is someone moving there ?, there is no reverse process, when the highlanders are already populating the Stavropol Territory ..
                        A precedent with hijabs, a high-profile murder in Nevinnomyssk, spontaneous protests ... A difficult ethnic situation in the Stavropol Territory was discussed in the regional government.
                      2. itkul
                        itkul 12 June 2013 17: 56 New
                        -2
                        Quote: MG42
                        Nevinnomyssk, spontaneous protests ... A difficult ethnic situation in the Stavropol region was discussed in the regional government.


                        That’s the answer to USSR-2, I personally don’t want to live in one state with these

                      3. MG42
                        MG42 12 June 2013 18: 15 New
                        +2
                        Quote: itkul
                        That’s the answer to USSR-2, I personally don’t want to live in one state with these

                        You twist, do not confuse what happened in the USSR and ethnic conflicts now. Once again, the conflict in Karabakh was already under Gorbi, perestroika began the weakness of the state, its decline ..
                        Under the earlier rulers, this was suppressed in the bud, and the KGB did not eat its bread in vain.
                      4. MG42
                        MG42 12 June 2013 18: 53 New
                        +5
                        There were many reasons for what happened and what is, because now capitalism and other values, as for the USSR, there was no strong stratification of people's incomes, confidence in the future, people were more educated = USSR diplomas did not receive bribes, people behaved more modestly = one big family although there was a column of nationality in the passport no one poked his nose there, they didn’t take bribes in the courts, etc.
                        To close this topic >>> я тоже не в восторге например от видео как они рассекают по Москве и как при этом ведёт себя полиция..современные реалии современной России sad
                2. vBR
                  vBR 12 June 2013 19: 09 New
                  +3
                  Я не знаю, что вы там "не забываете", но с логикой у вас точно не в порядке. Говорю вам, как живший как раз в Средней Азии. "Резать и выгонять" стали ровно тогда, когда часть высшей элиты в Москве повернулась на сдачу страны и с помощью националистических формальных и неформальных элит стала рвать СССР, провоцируя по незнанию или просто бездействуя. По вашей логике, Северный Кавказ надо отрезать, а если не дай бог в Татарии или Башкирии произойдёт нечто напоминающее эти события, тоже пафосно заявите "мне никогда не забыть" и вместе с Навальными и Ко будуте ратовать за Московское княжество?
                3. itkul
                  itkul 12 June 2013 21: 00 New
                  0
                  Quote: Vbr
                  Я не знаю, что вы там "не забываете",


                  Taken from here

                  http://poiskpravdy.com/na-etnicheskoj-vojne-genocid-russkix-v-byvshix-respublika
                  x-sssr /

                  Uzbekistan The story of Maria Andreyevna Alekseytseva: “Girl Masha was born in the Smolensk region shortly before the war. Together with her family she survived the fascist occupation. Hunger, fear, mass executions of civilians - everything was like everyone else. After the war, she moved to Uzbekistan with her husband, a simple artillery soldier who ended the war in Germany. Then, too, like everyone else - the children grew up, the husband died.

                  Here the well-known events in the Central Asian republics began - the massacre of the Meskhetian Turks in Ferghana, the bloody battles in Osh.

                  “This is where we suffered fear, worse than during the war,” recalls Maria Andreevna. - The Uzbeks chopped off Russian heads, put up in butchers in the public eye.

                  Having given an apartment and gained good for nothing, the woman moved to her relatives in Irkutsk ... "((Irina Alekseeva." They chopped their heads and exposed them to the Russians ")
  • spirit
    spirit 12 June 2013 11: 26 New
    +9
    Happy holiday! I hope the fight in ADU is now not up to Tennis: laughing am:
    1. Stamp
      Stamp 13 June 2013 00: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: spirit
      I hope the fight in ADU is now not up to Tennis

      Remembering the wonders of EBN - here it is Yeltsin-style democracy
      The execution of the Russian parliament (October 4, 1993)
      http://krasvremya.ru/data-4-oktyabrya-1993-rasstrel-parlamenta-rossii/#.Ubjav-eG
      Fin
      1. Androsh
        Androsh 13 June 2013 01: 01 New
        +1
        According to estimates of those who survived October 4, at least 7 thousand were killed there. unarmed people, women, children, old people .. here who to consider EBN after that ?!
        Eternal memory to the defenders of the parliament!
    2. MG42
      MG42 13 June 2013 14: 43 New
      +2
      If you recall this character, he only did what he was weird,
      on video Yeltsin amuses amers
  • DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 12 June 2013 11: 32 New
    12
    The destruction of the USSR is a holiday ???????? For whom?????
  • btsypulin
    btsypulin 12 June 2013 11: 33 New
    +9
    Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
    I congratulate everyone on the Independence Day from Kyrgyzstan, urraaa !!! Delusional is a holiday, dancing on the bones of the USSR! fellow


    Good afternoon!
    This is not a holiday, but squalor, independence from ourselves .................
    Let Gorbi celebrate it along with the likes ................
  • dmb
    dmb 12 June 2013 11: 54 New
    +8
    What is pleasantly pleasing on this day is the ongoing decrease in the number of inadequate personalities who consider this day a holiday.
  • rus9875
    rus9875 12 June 2013 11: 58 New
    +5
    да бог с ним, с прошлым, но надо учиться на своих ошибках А то, не дай бог, как бы не пришлось лет через 10 праздновать день независимости от Кавказа( там ведь тоже ,,нахлебники"),потом от Дальнего Востока, Сибири,Татарстана и тд до тех пор пока не останется от страны одна ,,независимая и суверенная" Москва
    1. Snoop
      Snoop 14 June 2013 10: 40 New
      0
      It is unlikely that this))) And who will milk Moscow? In the Moscow region there is no gold, diamonds, oil and gas)))