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Boats go around the earth

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This happened in the era of great accomplishments and grandiose breakthroughs in all spheres of human existence. Faster, higher, stronger! On the ground, under water and in the air.

On February 16, 1960, the mooring of the New London Naval Base (Connecticut) left the Triton nuclear submarine. The ship went to sea with a fantastic mission - to repeat the route of the great Magellan, remaining underwater throughout the campaign. Having passed an invisible shadow through the seas and oceans of the planet and circled the globe without a single ascent or call to the port, the Triton was to be a direct proof of the technical superiority of the nuclear submarine fleet US Navy.

Behind the loud propaganda was a small secret. The general public is not aware that the "Triton" - the only American submarine capable of making an underwater round-the-world "cruise". All other submarines of the first generation - "Skate", "Nautilus", "Sivulf" are too slow and weak to participate in round-the-world operations.

Boats go around the earth


The USS Triton submarine (SSN-586) was specifically designed for extended ocean trips. The largest, fastest and most expensive submarine in the world ($ 109 million, including nuclear fuel), designed to perform the functions of a radar patrol and control of naval battle groups aviation. In the postwar years, radar detection in the US Navy was provided by specially trained destroyers, however, as the practice of the Second World War showed, such a solution meant a high risk for surface crews. The submarine was deprived of this drawback - when detected by the enemy, the Triton deftly dived under water and disappeared into the deep sea. Special features required special skills, hence the considerable size *, two-reactor layout and high speed of underwater travel (27+ knots). And also six torpedo tubes of 533 mm caliber - in case of danger, the triton turned into a malicious poisonous dinosaur.

* Everything in the world is relative. From the point of view of our days, the size of the "Triton" corresponds to a modest multipurpose boat, and in comparison with the huge "Shark" the American "Triton" seems to be a midget (7 vs. 50 thousand tons of underwater displacement)



... Meanwhile, the Triton boldly walked into the middle of the Atlantic, shaking the whole body on a steep ocean wave. February 24, the boat arrived at the rocks of Peter and Paul, where it was supposed to start historical swimming. The last time they ventilated the compartments and threw overboard the accumulated household garbage, the submarine buried itself in piercing blue waves in the equatorial part of the Atlantic Ocean.

Having descended into the southern hemisphere, the Triton rounded Cape Horn and rushed to the west, crossing the oblique Pacific Ocean. Passing close straits between the islands of the Philippines and Indonesia, the boat climbed into the Indian Ocean, then rounded Africa around the Cape of Good Hope and returned to the control point of the route to the Peter and Paul rocks 60 days and 21 an hour after the start of the expedition. 23 723 nautical miles (49500 km - more than the length of the Earth's equator) remained behind the stern of the "Triton".


Cape Horn. Photo taken through Triton periscope

The official history indicates that a “clean” record did not work out - the submarine had to rise once to the surface off the coast of Uruguay. During a short rendezvous with the American cruiser Macon, one sick sailor from the crew of the submarine was transported aboard the cruiser. In addition, evil tongues say that the Triton repeatedly violated the conditions of the marathon by going to the base on the island of Guam to eliminate malfunctions on board. Of course, there is no official confirmation of this event and all this is nothing more than vile slander ...

During the march (called Operation Sandblast), in addition to purely propaganda tasks, American sailors conducted numerous studies in the interests of the US Navy. The covert survey methodology was tested (the crew surveyed the British Falkland Islands and its own Guam naval base), conducted exercises to combat the survivability of the boat (during one of them the situation with the drop in power of both reactors was worked out - was it a planned training or a consequence of a real accident, the question remained unanswered). In addition, using a powerful sonar "Triton" conducted a continuous scan of the relief of the ocean floor throughout the route of the American submarine.

The hike was accompanied by major technical problems, each time endangering the fate of the expedition. In the compartments more than once there were leaks and smoke, the alarm was triggered by the reactor. 12 March 1960 of the year, the main echo sounder “covered” with the boat, and on the last day of the trip the whole hydraulic system of the stern rudders control failed - the Triton returned to the base on the reserve control.

It is worth noting that there was no secrecy around the Triton expedition. During the march on board the boat, there were two dozen civilians, including the photo reporter for National Geographic magazine. The Yankees turned a strategic round-the-world raid into a vivid PR show and tried to maximize the "spin" achievement of the US Navy, raising the notorious "prestige of the nation."


Combat information center on board the submarine "Triton"


As for the “record holder” himself, “Triton” has never been used for its intended purpose - as a command center for monitoring the situation in the air. From the beginning of the 1960-s, specialized DRLO aircraft assumed the functions of long-range radar detection, and the unique, unique in its class, submarine was retrained in a multipurpose boat with a torpedo weapons.

In total, the USS Triton served under the stars and stripes of the 27 flag for years and was excluded from the US Navy lists in the 1986 year. The once formidable underwater killer was finally cut into metal by November 2009.


Triton Route



Pathos exit to circumnavigation



Voracious Yankees clog the Triton's hold with sacks of potatoes.
In total, around the world, two hundred people from the crew of the submarine "destroyed" 35 tons of food

Despite all sorts of discussions around the “white spots” in the history of the Triton’s circumnavigation, and the occasional accusations of violations of the conditions of the swim, the 1960 round-the-world underwater expedition was yet another proof of the unique capabilities of nuclear submarines. The "Triton" campaign had a powerful influence on the escalation of the "arms race" and contributed to the rapid development of the nuclear submarine fleet on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean. Many have become agitated in the General Staff of the Navy of the USSR - the Triton submarine march was regarded as a direct challenge from the United States.

And, as you know, Soviet sailors are accustomed to respond to the challenge with an even tougher answer ...

Race for survival

In the spring of 1960, the Americans showed who is the master in the oceans. A year later, the Russian guy Yura Gagarin will show overwhelmed the Yankees, who is the master in Space.

But the record of the Triton submarine remained unbroken. Frankly, the USSR Navy had no tasks to conduct round-the-world cruises of nuclear submarines. The Soviet sailors had neither the strength nor the means to conduct large-scale PR actions, similar to the Triton campaign - to remove nuclear ships from combat duty for the sake of “chasing records” was an unaffordable luxury. The oceans plied the giant fleet of a “probable enemy” out of a thousand warships - the Soviet Navy had enough adrenaline in the pursuit of elusive American AUG and George Washington type bomber. Instead of posing in National Geographic magazine, our sailors were busy delivering ballistic missiles to Cuba and setting up anti-submarine barriers in the path of four dozen "city killers" threatening to bring thermonuclear polaris from the 656 missiles to Soviet cities.

And yet, after a few years, the North Sea seamen had an opportunity to get even with the American seamen. In 1966, the need arose to transfer the K-133 and K-116 nuclear submarines from the Northern Fleet to the Pacific Ocean. And if so, it remains only to approve the route, pick up the crews, load the expenditure and food, and ... Full speed ahead, on a long hike!

By this time, Soviet submariners had accumulated considerable experience in long trips to remote areas of the World Ocean - even in 1962, the K-21 submarine made 50-day combat march to full autonomy, having passed 10124 nautical miles (of which 8648 miles underwater ). For a more comfortable perception, this is equivalent to the distance from St. Petersburg to Antarctica.


Nuclear submarine project 627 (A), similar to K-133

The situation with the transfer of K-133 and K-116 from the North to the Far East was fairly obvious. K-133 belonged to the firstborn of the Soviet submarine shipbuilding, the 627 (A) submarine was of the same age as the American Skate and Triton. But unlike the first generation of American boats, which were in many ways experimental structures for developing new technologies. At the same time, the first Soviet nuclear submarines were full-fledged warships - armed to the teeth, with a wide range of working depths and high underwater speed. Thanks to the drop-shaped hull optimized for scuba diving, our 627 (A) was not inferior in speed even to the legendary Triton. As for reliability, it was equally bad on both sides of the ocean. The mechanisms, layout and first generation nuclear submarine reactors were not distinguished by perfection and safety.

But if the "Triton" could, then ... the road will be mastered by walking!

With the second boat, the situation was similar. K-116 - nuclear submarine cruiser with cruise missiles. It belongs to the 675 project, belongs to the first generation of Soviet nuclear submarines. The underwater ship is fast enough and autonomous for world tours. In addition to the torpedo weapons, K-116 carries in its womb eight anti-ship missiles of the P-6 complex.

In contrast to the experimental "Triton", which, although it was a powerful boat, existed in a single copy, the K-116 is a completely serial design, one of the 29 built nuclear ships of the 675 project.


Nuclear submarine with cruise missiles (SSGN) project 675, similar to K-116

In the icy cold, February 2 1966, the multi-purpose K-133 submarine and the K-116 SSGN left the base in Western Face and headed for the open sea. Thus began the unprecedented group campaign of atomic-powered Soviet naval forces to the other end of the Earth. Getting out into the Atlantic, the boats crossed the ocean in full swing from North to South. Like two shadows, steel “pikes” passed through the Drake Strait and climbed along the west coast of South America, then, one after the other, the submarines crossed the vast expanse of the Pacific Ocean from East to West.

On March 26, a month and a half after leaving West Litsa, both boats safely docked off at the pier in Krasheninnikov Bay in Kamchatka.

For 52 running days, nuclear ships passed 21 000 miles (a distance almost equal to the famous Triton route). North Sea residents had an exceptional task: to cross two great oceans diagonally, never to the surface. At the same time not to be left behind, nor to come off, not to lose sight of each other. And, most importantly, go unnoticed by the anti-submarine forces of other states. The route ran along parts of the ocean poorly explored by hydrographs, in southern latitudes unusual for us, through the Drake Strait, which is famous for its fierce storms and difficult navigation conditions.

The whole trip took place with maximum observance of measures to ensure secrecy - as a result, not a single anti-submarine ship or a deep-sea NATO tracking station detected a detachment of Soviet submarines - the appearance of new nuclear ships in Krasheninnikov Bay was a real surprise for foreign naval intelligence.



Sailors from the crew of the nuclear submarine K-133 throughout the expedition kept a handwritten journal "Chronicle of the campaign, or 25000 miles under water." Here are collected poems, essays, drawings of submariners - the best masterpieces created by the talent of the ship's poets, artists and writers during the legendary campaign. Currently, a rare journal is kept in the Central Naval Museum in St. Petersburg.

Afterword. By the time the K-133 nuclear submarine was excluded from the Navy in 1989, the submarine had passed 168 thousands of miles in 21926 running hours.

The fate of K-116 turned out to be much more tragic - a radiation accident that broke out on board forced the boat into the reserve back in 1982. More in the sea she did not go. In total, over twenty years of operation, K-116 managed to pass 136 thousands of nautical miles in 19965 running hours.

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  1. Delta
    Delta 13 June 2013 10: 50 New
    +3
    "The Soviet Navy lacked adrenaline in pursuit of the elusive American AUGs"

    how could Kaptsov allow such a phrase?))))
    1. Santa Fe
      13 June 2013 18: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Delta
      how could Kaptsov allow such a phrase?))))

      still try to be objective. if any episode was - why deny it

      unlike aircraft carrier lovers who are afraid to face the truth
      1. Delta
        Delta 13 June 2013 18: 11 New
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        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        still try to be objective. if any episode was - why deny it


        why did you deny it earlier, claiming that the Soviet Navy was doing anything but “passing” the USA’s AUGs? or forgot already?
        1. Santa Fe
          13 June 2013 18: 29 New
          0
          Quote: Delta
          why did you deny it earlier, claiming that the Soviet Navy was doing anything but “passing” the USA’s AUGs? or forgot already?

          I said that the relevance of the fight against the Nimits was in fifth to tenth place, after

          SSBN deployment
          fight 41 for Freedom
          delivery of military aid and demonstration of force
          secure shipping worldwide
          tracking the situation in the oceans
          territorial water protection
          etc. strategically important things
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 13 June 2013 11: 34 New
    +7
    "Gluttonous Yankees clog the Triton hold with bags of potatoes.
    In total, during the "round the world", two hundred people from the crew of the submarine "destroyed" 35 tons of food supplies "


    Honestly, it was jarred by such a signature under the photo. The author did not see how our "gluttonous" sailors load products on ships? In addition, simple calculations show that 35 tons of food per 200 people for 60 days, this is about 3 kg per day. A lot of?
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 13 June 2013 16: 59 New
      -1
      Quote: Vladimirets
      it is about 3kg per day. A lot of?

      Strange as it may seem, yes a lot. About 1,5 kg of food is quite enough for an ordinary person. Well, and if we take into account the waste in the form of cleanings, then about, but not more than 2 kg. Accordingly, water is not included. She needs a total of at least 1,5 liters.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 13 June 2013 17: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: Hedgehog
        About 1,5 kg of food is quite enough for an ordinary person.

        What is an ordinary person? I hope it’s clear that the submariner is not an ordinary person on a hike? Our underwater rations, according to norm No. 4, as Kavtorang wrote below, weighs 2,75 kg, and it is difficult to suspect our food service of overfeeding and indulging military personnel.
        Quote: Hedgehog
        Well, and if we take into account the waste in the form of cleanings, then about, but not more than 2 kg.

        Norma is considered a pure product without any cleaning, candy wrappers, tops or containers. Otherwise, 250 g of “underwater” meat per day could be given as 50 g of meat, and the remaining 200 g with skins and tails.
    2. Santa Fe
      13 June 2013 18: 05 New
      -3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      that 35 tons of food for 200 people for 60 days, this is about 3 kg per day.

      So they still loaded food on Guam)))
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 13 June 2013 19: 14 New
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        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        So they still loaded food on Guam)))

        Or they traded their own.
  3. chaushevski
    chaushevski 13 June 2013 12: 23 New
    -5
    article about how we lost the war now and only remember the past greatness and do not want to do anything
    1. jjj
      jjj 13 June 2013 20: 51 New
      0
      It is necessary to correctly evaluate events and facts. We did not lose. And now the confidence that Russia has outplayed the West is becoming increasingly stronger
    2. old man54
      old man54 17 June 2013 18: 40 New
      0
      Quote: chaushevski
      article about how we lost the war now and only remember the past greatness and do not want to do anything

      If anyone “lost the war”, even if it’s cold, then it’s not the Navy and the sailors, and not the SA, but the leadership, essentially bribed and treacherous! And these are 2 big differences, although one does not change the other.
  4. rudolff
    rudolff 13 June 2013 12: 34 New
    10
    Never suffered neglect of American submariners. Worthy people, worthy ships. And they died in the compartments as well as ours.
    The commanders of the first American nuclear submarines were allowed to publish their memoirs. Partly PR, of course, but reading was very interesting. Moreover, the service of our submariners has traditionally been under a veil of secrecy. They knew only about Lenkom’s famous campaign to the North Pole, and this group campaign of our apl across the Drake Channel was mentioned in passing in print.
    Memoirs of Americans and we published. I read the commanders of Skate, Sivulf and it seems Sidragona. They described their service in sufficient detail, from the moment the boats were accepted on the stocks and trials until the first autonomies. The first ice passes through the North Pole, ascent in ice, diving under icebergs, the first emergency situations. The commander’s revelations were remembered when they surfaced near the North Pole, landed a film crew to capture the spectacular ascent of an atomic ship in the ice, plunged again and ... lost their wormwood. While found, the commander almost turned gray.
    1. Capt.stryker
      Capt.stryker 13 June 2013 18: 14 New
      +4
      Quote: rudolff
      Never suffered neglect of American submariners.

      These are the guys I respect! And I hate all sorts of "zadorny"! I personally communicated with the Americans - the same people as everyone else - there are normal guys, there is not fish, not meat, but there are dumb wounds.

      Quote: rudolff
      Memoirs of Americans and we published. I read the commanders of Skate, Sivulf and it seems Sidragona. They described their service in sufficient detail, from the moment the boats were accepted on the stocks and trials until the first autonomies. The first ice passes through the North Pole, ascent in ice, diving under icebergs, the first emergency situations. The commander’s revelations were remembered when they surfaced near the North Pole, landed a film crew to capture the spectacular ascent of an atomic ship in the ice, plunged again and ... lost their wormwood. While found, the commander almost turned gray.

      The book is called "Around the World Underwater", ed. Ministry of Defense of the USSR. Moscow - 1965. The translation is really abbreviated, but nevertheless everything is written in a very lively, easy and interesting language.
      1. Santa Fe
        13 June 2013 18: 21 New
        -1
        Quote: Capt.Stryker
        And I hate all sorts of "zadorny"!

        Zadornov at the U.S. Embassy

        [media = http: //mover.uz/watch/tcEZpg6j/]
  5. rudolff
    rudolff 13 June 2013 13: 02 New
    +6
    The sailors of the “adversaries” also respected our submariners with great respect. I recall one curious incident in St. Petersburg. On a friendly visit, a British training ship came to us and we met one officer from his crew. And he was a former anti-submarine and for a long time and cheerfully talked about his service, how they drove enemy submarines. Then he apparently noticed that physiognomy began to tighten and the nodules came in and asked where we were from. When he learned that the divers, blushed, said only one word "sorry", saluted, turned around and left. It’s like a balm to our heart. We never saw him anywhere on the deck. good
    1. Alex
      Alex 14 September 2013 11: 55 New
      +1
      You know, but in this story I saw everything, but not respect for us. Just another balabol.
  6. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 13 June 2013 13: 33 New
    +6
    Quote: Vladimirets
    The author did not see how our "gluttonous" sailors load products on ships? In addition, simple calculations show that 35 tons of food per 200 people for 60 days, this is about 3 kg per day. A lot of?

    It also bothered, he participated in the pickups.
    For the information of the author: norm 4, so-called "submariner" - 2,78 kg / day. per person, excluding the weight of multivitamin (well, this is garbage) and a chicken testicle.
    Take a calculator and count: 35 tons per 200 people for 69 days from the moment of leaving the base - 2,54 kg / day. per person.
    More details about the swim would be more interesting, but not mandatory here: "Fu, gobble up the Americans ..."
    Something like that.
  7. nod739
    nod739 13 June 2013 15: 14 New
    +1
    Who set the minus ?,
    good article +

    it would be better if they studied our heroes at school from childhood
  8. navy33
    navy33 13 June 2013 16: 52 New
    +3
    I welcome everyone! Good article, glorious times. Yes, and now the submarine fleet is slowly being reborn.
  9. Capt.stryker
    Capt.stryker 13 June 2013 17: 59 New
    +6
    The Triton was to be direct evidence of the technical superiority of the US Navy's nuclear submarine fleet.

    Is that not so? American submarines ALWAYS outperformed any Soviet counterpart in the most important performance characteristics - this is more stealth in all physical parameters, and more sensitive GAS. And the notorious speed of more than 40 knots., And the depth of immersion of more than 1 km., - this is all for a dumb layman! They just didn’t give anything but a dumb "pride for the power"!

    All other submarines of the first generation - Skate, Nautilus, Sivulf - are too slow and weak to participate in round-the-world operations.

    These "too slow and weak", the first in the world to have the honorary title FIRST IN THE WORLD! without reservation. The Nautilus is the world's first nuclear ship in general! The same submarine, the first ship in the world to reach the North Pole, this event took place on August 3, 1958, although it could not surface because of the heavy and dense ice conditions. The Skate, the first submarine in the world to surface at the North Pole, happened on Tuesday, August 12, 1958. Sea Wolf is the first ship in the world with a liquid metal coolant reactor.

    The official history indicates that the “clean” record did not work out - the submarine had to rise once to the surface off the coast of Uruguay. During a short rendezvous with the American cruiser Macon, one sick sailor from the crew of the submarine was transported aboard the cruiser.

    Strictly speaking, it did not emerge, but only floated up - the boat showed only a small part of its “deckhouse” above the water — only one meter to open the top hatch and transfer the sick sailor to the surface ship.

    It is worth noting that there was no secrecy around the Triton expedition. During the march on board the boat, there were two dozen civilians, including the photo reporter for National Geographic magazine. The Yankees turned a strategic round-the-world raid into a vivid PR show and tried to maximize the "spin" achievement of the US Navy, raising the notorious "prestige of the nation."

    But this is what is alien to the Soviet regime! OPENNESS! And not a single “notorious” prestige of the nation is here! America really achieved impressive success in scuba diving! And they must be respected! Americans NEVER say - "the notorious flight of Gagarin"! They have no idea to belittle someone else's priority. So, let's, dear Oleg Kaptsov, respect the achievements of others!
    1. Santa Fe
      13 June 2013 18: 17 New
      +4
      Quote: Capt.Stryker
      American submarines ALWAYS surpassed any Soviet counterpart in the most important performance characteristics - this is a greater stealth in all physical parameters

      Some experts compare Pike-B not with a direct competitor - the American project Improved Los Angeles, but with much more advanced Sivulf and Virginia projects. So, Admiral Jeremy Burda (born Jeremy M. Boorda), who was the chief of the operational headquarters of the U.S. Navy in 1994-1996, he noted that American ships were not able to detect the "Pike-B", traveling at a speed of 6-9 knots, that is, by the low noise level, project 971 boats correspond to the parameters of fourth-generation boats

      And what about titanium "Barracudas" that are not detected by magnetic detectors (the main way to detect anti-submarine aircraft)
      Quote: Capt.Stryker
      Sea Wolf is the first ship in the world with a liquid metal coolant reactor.

      and the last in the USA
      Quote: Capt.Stryker
      Strictly speaking, it did not emerge, but only floated up - the boat showed only a small part of its “deckhouse” above the water — only one meter to open the top hatch and transfer the sick sailor to the surface ship.

      And on Guam surfaced and docked)))
      Quote: Capt.Stryker
      And they must be respected!

      Respect, ktozh bothers you)))
      Quote: Capt.Stryker
      So, let's, dear Oleg Kaptsov, respect the achievements of others!

      good
      ps Please put a plus on Captain Stryker. An interesting conversationalist, the discussion will lose its tension without him
      1. Delta
        Delta 13 June 2013 18: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        And what about titanium "Barracudas" that are not detected by magnetic detectors (the main way to detect anti-submarine aircraft)


        why not find them? lightweight steel case
        1. Santa Fe
          13 June 2013 18: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Delta
          why not find them? lightweight steel case

          are there figures regarding the mass of the light body of Barracuda?
          1. Delta
            Delta 13 June 2013 18: 35 New
            +2
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Quote: Delta
            why not find them? lightweight steel case

            are there figures regarding the mass of the light body of Barracuda?


            no. But you must?
            1. Santa Fe
              13 June 2013 18: 41 New
              0
              Quote: Delta
              no. But you must?

              Of course
              It is interesting to compare the mass of steel structures in Barracuda and Los Angeles
              1. Kavtorang
                Kavtorang 13 June 2013 19: 32 New
                +4
                Oleg, not the topic of the mass of structures, but special thanks for remembering my guards K-116. We, the last crew, met several times in the garage of the last commander - Muzykin on the Day of the Ship. Until fate smashed, someone retired, someone to the zone, someone to the other world. Who is younger - to serve further.
                1. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 13 June 2013 20: 24 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Kavtorang
                  K-116
                  The ship was not lucky tightly ... I knew a man whose crew tried to force the ship to be accepted after the accident, when they moored. On a light vessel above the reactor compartment, there were then several hundred X-rays. Naturally, there was no question of any reception of the ship and subsequent restoration. Just the only mistake operator GEM ... sad
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 13 June 2013 20: 19 New
          +2
          Quote: Delta
          lightweight steel case
          belay Have you heard about the concept of "electrochemical vapor"? With this combination, a lightweight body would gobble up clean sea water in less than a day lol So if the submarine is titanium, then its hull is titanium ALL. Including outboard fittings
          1. jjj
            jjj 13 June 2013 21: 08 New
            +3
            One Sevmash worker had personal use of titanium keys. One fall, ending navigation, he forgot the key on the boat’s tank. The following spring, when it was time to launch the “colombines” into the water, the owner of the boat saw that during the winter the titanium key “burned” the deck of the tank, fell into the forepeak and “burned” the bottom through and fell to the ground.
            I must say that titanium gizmos in Severodvinsk are not uncommon. And the men after that incident began to carefully monitor the safety of their property.
          2. Delta
            Delta 14 June 2013 12: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: Misantrop
            So if the submarine is titanium, then its hull is titanium ALL. Including outboard fittings


            and "Sharks" have a lightweight titanium case?
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 14 June 2013 00: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Capt.Stryker
      And they must be respected!
      And the rest, too. By the way, most recently, the 50th International Congress of Submariners was held in Italy. What is characteristic is that they communicated normally, there were no mutual attacks. I’ll meet a friend, I’ll ask about my impressions (he went there)
    3. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan 14 June 2013 10: 50 New
      +2
      Good comment. Here are just a few:
      And the notorious speeds of more than 40 knots, and immersion depths of more than 1 km., - this is all for a dumb layman! They just didn’t give anything but a dumb "pride for the power"!
      Why not? At a kilometer depth, the boat is not something to hit, I doubt very much that it was possible to detect. And the speeds in 40 knots are also not for records: the boat "quietly and quietly descends from the mountains, quietly and quietly creeps up, fucks the herd" and, turning literally on a spot (I saw its maneuverability), reaches maximum speed in a matter of seconds. And do not care about the noise - the torpedoes are already torn. The main thing for her to come off, and there again - quietly, quietly, but change the course under 120 ...
  10. xomaNN
    xomaNN 13 June 2013 19: 44 New
    +4
    I agree with previous speakers :)) that it’s stupid to break spears according to the daily ration of divers of those years. With regards to ours, of course, in the hungry 80s list of rations impressed land listeners. And what was the seamen dozens of days in an iron box and not the most comfortable conditions? Including a tasty want, but alas - rations.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 13 June 2013 20: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: xomaNN
      Including a tasty want, but alas - rations.

      The ration was really good. It was referred to as the "stand-alone ration No. 1 of nuclear submarines." But what was missing from him was semolina. Therefore, before the autonomous car, they were sure to buy several kg in order to pamper themselves a couple of times. Well, they also took all kinds of pickles with them. I remember one of the midshipmen took bottles of canned grape leaves, so for the first time I tried dolma at sea. Yes, and a lot depended on Coca. Our sometimes even managed to make chebureks
  11. Roman_999
    Roman_999 13 June 2013 21: 16 New
    0
    Probably, I could never serve on a submarine I really don't like water, I'm afraid so much water ...
    I admire people whose profession and well-considered choice has become such a service that is precisely dangerous and difficult and not visible - but my Homeland is still alive and has the Word in the World, including thanks to the missile-carrying underwater cruisers, in the case of the Last War, they are the only ones who will not let the enemy taste the victory.
  12. jjj
    jjj 13 June 2013 21: 20 New
    +3
    Let's not underestimate the adversary. But ... our boats from the Arctic to the Far East mostly went north. Under the ice. And the depths happened a hundred meters. Imagine the ice above. A hundred meters below - the bottom. And between them, the BDR raises. Nobody in the world went like that again. Not given
  13. Capt.stryker
    Capt.stryker 13 June 2013 22: 52 New
    -1
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Some experts compare Pike-B not with a direct competitor - the American project Improved Los Angeles, but with much more advanced Sivulf and Virginia projects. So, Admiral Jeremy Burda (Eng. Jeremy M. Boorda), who was the chief of the operational headquarters of the US Navy in 1994-1996, noted that American ships were unable to detect the "Pike-B", traveling at a speed of 6-9 knots, that is, in terms of low noise, the boats of project 971 correspond to the parameters of fourth-generation boats

    How else? The American admirals are not "well-oo-oo-oo-oo" - this has its own logic: why should they say "our boats are the best, most silent"?



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    And what about titanium "Barracudas" that are not detected by magnetic detectors (the main way to detect anti-submarine aircraft)

    Well, and how many of these Barracudas? two pr.945 and two more pr.945A, and even then, two of them are still under repair. By the way, these Barracudas were quite noisy, even compared to pr.671RTM.


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    and the last in the USA

    And where are all the Soviet "fish" with LMW? At least one of them remained in service? The Americans in this topic turned out to be more far-sighted than their Soviet "competitors", did not begin to develop this direction. By the way, do not want to write an article about the Soviet "je-em-te" K-27? What is her fate?



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    ps Please put a plus on Captain Stryker.

    I absolutely have these pluses - nevermind! In other forums, where people calmly communicate without chasing these notorious epaulets, pluses, minuses, no one yells: "Wah! They put me a minus! Why !?" And by the way, I had to wait a couple of hours until I can finally write my comments with such a negative rating! Well, is it not discrimination !? am But, dear comrade Delta because of this, was ahead of me regarding the compatibility of steel and titanium in the marine environment! And you, as it turned out, skipped the sapromat courses at the institute! Ay-yai-yay, young man!
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 13 June 2013 23: 41 New
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      Quote: Capt.Stryker
      And where are all the Soviet "fish" with LMW? At least one of them remained in service? The Americans in this topic turned out to be more far-sighted than their Soviet "competitors", did not begin to develop this direction.

      Where does so much thought come from? Great boats were. And it’s not at all their fault that the coast-based system for all the time of their service was never brought to mind. They fulfilled their term and were written off. By the way, they have proven themselves perfectly. Here, by the way, the latter before its cancellation ...
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        Capt.stryker 14 June 2013 00: 33 New
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        Quote: Misantrop
        Great boats were.

        I, as it were, have no doubt! Could only these boats hear anything at a speed of 38-39 knots. except themselves? And could they get away from the anti-submarine forces of the "imperialist fleets", when by the time these "Lyres" appeared, almost every ship of the "imperialists" had anti-submarine helicopters !? And the fact that the coast-based system was paid a minimum of attention is the vicious system of everything soviet!
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 14 June 2013 00: 46 New
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          Quote: Capt.Stryker
          And could they get away from the anti-submarine forces of the "imperialist fleets", when by the time these "Lyres" appeared, almost every ship of the "imperialists" had anti-submarine helicopters!

          They left after all. And pretty good. In practice, I was at this after the 4th year, so I could communicate with the crew officers quite professionally on these topics. Or, for some reason, the impression was that they across the Atlantic only on a 40-knot move, bulging their eyes, rushed about? lol Or, perhaps, other fleets have ships that can perfectly listen to the underwater situation on such moves? I have not heard of such what But the power plant completely allowed the torpedo to leave. Since the set of power and stroke took literally a couple of seconds (unlike VVR)
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          it’s the vicious system of everything Soviet!
          Share how this is in democratic Ukraine, which squeamishly shook off the features of the totalitarian Soviet regime. In Sevastopol, when viewed from Primorsky Boulevard, two ravelins are clearly visible on the North side. One contains the Russian Federation, the other - Ukraine. In appearance, they differ VERY much, even on the other side of the bay you can see how ...
          1. Old_kapitan
            Old_kapitan 14 June 2013 10: 40 New
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            In Sevastopol, when viewed from Primorsky Boulevard, two ravelins are clearly visible on the North side. One contains the Russian Federation, the other - Ukraine. In appearance, they differ VERY much, even on the other side of the bay you can see how ...
            Ha! And near? I walked there until the Russian watchmen flooded lol Power!
  14. Capt.stryker
    Capt.stryker 13 June 2013 23: 28 New
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    But ... our boats from the Arctic to the Far East mostly went north. Under the ice. And the depths happened a hundred meters. Imagine the ice above. A hundred meters below - the bottom. And between them, the BDR raises. Nobody in the world went like that again. Not given

    That's it! DO NOT!!! No need to drive the blizzard! Read the book "Around the World Underwater" - this, by the way, is the Soviet name for a collection of several books by American submariners translated into Russian in an abbreviated version and placed under one cover - there is a description of the passage through the Berengov Strait, when under the belly 5-10 meters of soil , and over the "head" in no more than five ice hangs!
  15. Misantrop
    Misantrop 14 June 2013 01: 01 New
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    By the way, the same Omelchenko division (ultra-small submarines) had excellent coastal infrastructure. What allowed them to keep their ships in excellent condition. I saw their mother boat, converted from the 627 project, was in excellent condition. By the way, NOBODY ever found her anywhere, although she wandered around for 8 months in the very densely covered areas of NATO PLO forces. That's interesting, the classic "roaring cow", the first generation ... what
  16. papik09
    papik09 15 June 2013 07: 12 New
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    Author +++++. The article is wonderful. The submariners of the USA and the USSR are just fine fellows. Glory to them.
  17. Santa Fe
    21 June 2013 17: 00 New
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    Losses of warships and ships of Japan

    What can I add ... boats just harness

    submarines - sub
    carrier - aircraft carriers
    land-based - Air Force from coastal airfields
    mines - mines
    surface craft - artillery and torpedo duel of surface ships
    miscellaneous - losses from coastal batteries, suicides in a hopeless environment, etc. force majeure

    In total, submarines and artillery exceed the results of carrier-based aviation
    Well, the loss of transport - in general darkness, the little evil fish killed everyone in their path


    Source: Japanese Naval and Merchant Shipping Losses During World War II by All Causes
    Prepared by The Joint Army-Navy Assessment Committee NAVEXOS P 468
    February 1947