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Ryazan is preparing the first issue of female officers

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The first graduation of female officers is being prepared at the Ryazan Higher Airborne Command School (RVVDKU). In the corridors and auditoriums of this one of the most famous military universities in the country today you can hear the ringing voices of girls. This is all the more surprising because not all men are able to complete training here. And who will argue with the fact that being a paratrooper officer is not an easy and very often dangerous business. For the first time, female soldiers appeared in the statements of the legendary school exactly 5 years ago. In 2013, there will be the first release of female lieutenants, who will wear berets and camouflage suits instead of heels and fashionable summer dresses, and instead of powder and lipstick in handbags, they carry field commander bags with cards and backpacks behind them.


RVVDKU is one of the oldest educational institutions of the Ministry of Defense of Russia. Its full name is Ryazan Higher Airborne twice Red Banner Command School (Military Institute) named after Army General V. F. Margelov. The school leads its history since November 13, 1918, when the first Ryazan infantry courses were formed in Ryazan. Since then, tens of thousands of personnel have been trained in our school for our army.

23 June 2013 of the year at 11: 00 at the school will be held 132-th in a row graduation of young officers who received in the walls of the institution of higher education. During its work, the school has managed to prepare and educate a whole galaxy of honored commanders, as well as prominent public and state leaders. Within the walls of the school, more than 48 thousands of officers were trained for the Airborne Forces and other branches of the armed forces of our country. Among the graduates of the school are 53 Hero of the Soviet Union and 74 Hero of the Russian Federation. The school enjoys a well-deserved popularity abroad, every year there are numerous foreign students. 11 June 2013 of the year at the school for the training of signalmen and marines was observed by military attaches of 80 countries of the world. Military diplomats in fact became acquainted with the methods of teaching in the school of special and general disciplines, simulators of the airborne complex and the objects of the educational and methodological base. For quite some time now the school was engaged in training and female officers.

Ryazan is preparing the first issue of female officers

Today, the University is the only university in our country that trains female officers. To call them experimental cadets does not turn the language, to call them pretty ladies - does not allow the army charter. Their military life is not much different from the life in the barracks of ordinary men. Is that the presence of dressing tables and plush toys. With them, the girls' rooms look somehow cozier.

Classes on the organization of internal regulations for personnel are held in the usual barracks for male cadets. After completing their studies at the school, the girls will have to serve as platoon commanders. At the same time, the teachers of the school do a number of loosening of female cadets — perhaps, not so strictly assess their knowledge of the statute, not loudly give commands. Already by the 3-th course on the account of the student was a dozen jumps, spent movements on the tactic of removing the sentry, sergeant marks on the shoulder straps.

Future female officers will be commanders of airborne platoons and other units. They learned to control combat vehicles and personnel, made parachute jumps, and also learned to survive in inhumanly difficult conditions and perform complex combat missions. At the same time, not all girls were able to reach the final examinations - out of two dozen student girls, only 14 people could get to graduation. Some of the girls left the walls of the school for health reasons, someone got married, believing that they could bring more benefits by doing family matters.


All graduates who graduate from college this year will receive the specialty of a platoon commander of parachute handlers. For this reason, the conduct of hostilities will not be their profile. Representatives of the beautiful half of humanity have successfully mastered the specialty "The use of landing support units." Graduates of the Ryazan Airborne School will command the units of the parachute handlers, as well as help drop paratroopers and equipment, including with the use of special complex multi-dome systems, as well as airborne platforms.

The new issue of the Ryazan Airborne School has proved to the whole world that the commander’s voice may well be girlish and sonorous. Instead of pens and notebooks, automatic machines and grenades, instead of a desk, a trench. The girls took part in the most real field exercises, the purpose of which was to surround and destroy the enemy. It would seem that the most ordinary exercises, only the offensive is led by students of the Ryazan Airborne School. The girls who have gone through this real school of courage are left to take the final step - to pass the final examinations, after which they will have real epaulets of a Russian officer on their shoulders.

At present, coquettish bangs from under their caps in camouflage in Ryazan have already become accustomed. As the girls themselves are accustomed to wear backpacks behind their backs instead of the usual handbags. According to Irina Titorova, who is a cadet of the Ryazan Higher Military Airborne Command School, the girls had to act as a company commander, personally giving orders to fire weapons and combat vehicles to destroy the enemy. Looking at how the targets brought down by girls fall one after another, you understand that these students will not only stop their horse, but even any enemy will be able to fight back, even if it comes to melee combat.

Although university professors say that the cadets, like all other military men, are not divided into the weaker and stronger sex, but they immediately stipulate that command is not exactly a woman’s business. Vyacheslav Rakov, a teacher at the Department of Armaments and Shooting of the Military High School of Military Management, believes that, after all, military service is more relevant to the male path than to the female one. At the same time on the sidelines, directly in the role of officers of the airborne service, women will be at the proper height and in good standing with the authorities.

Confidently holding onto the lines of their own parachutes, future paratrooper girls, who have more than a dozen independent parachute jumps behind their shoulders, are well aware of what sky is and what heights they would like to achieve in life. Maria Maltseva, a cadet of the Ryazan Higher Military Airborne Command School, notes that a soldier who would not dream of becoming a general is bad. Graduates of the Ryazan University have all the chances to fulfill this dream. Maria believes that some of the graduates will be able to achieve this high rank.

All the girls are looking forward to the moment when real lieutenant stars will appear on their women's shoulders. The obstacle course is the last step to the diploma, while over the years spent at 5, they have become well known to these labyrinths and walls. Already after passing the exam, they will be able to slightly make up their lips and slightly draw their eyes. After all, even in such a harsh male profession you can always find a place for small female weaknesses.

Information sources:
-http: //www.1tv.ru/news/social/234839
-http: //www.ryazan-v.ru/news/20345
-http: //ria.ru/defense_safety/20130611/942678739.html
-http: //tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/v_ryazanskom_uchilische_vdv_0603.html
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  1. Nesvet Nezar
    Nesvet Nezar 13 June 2013 08: 27 New
    +7
    This is Ah !!!
    1. chaushevski
      chaushevski 13 June 2013 12: 44 New
      -13
      oh my god it seems our men are over
      1. soldat1945
        soldat1945 13 June 2013 14: 37 New
        +9
        You know that the worst thing is that these beauties were picked up when the farting reduced the cadet enrollment, including at the RVDKU, I didn’t pass the guys from urgency because they said that there would be only 15 people and only thieves passed, then it’s incomprehensible and now they didn’t use the necessary sergeant’s training for three years, and laughed for a long time that there they would be recruiting girls, I then neighing, I thought they’ve simply beguiled the soldiers, but it turned out not, I think the prospect of these platoons is two or three dictates and a well-deserved pension as senior lieutenant and the eternal dead soul in a platoon position! Well, the one that compresses the fist in the photo is beautiful!
      2. Alex-z84
        Alex-z84 13 June 2013 18: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: chaushevski
        oh my god it seems our men are over

        And in Israel, they get well long ago)))
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 13 June 2013 08: 30 New
    12
    Whatever you say, and when a woman is serving next to you, you have to take care of yourself and pull yourself up in some matters.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 June 2013 13: 21 New
      +5
      Quote: Vladimirets
      when a woman is serving nearby, you have to watch over yourself, and in some matters pull yourself up.

      Hi Vladimir! When a woman serves nearby, then the thoughts are completely different. And if a woman is also pretty, then ........ wassat who about what, and we about women laughing
      1. Fl000d
        Fl000d 13 June 2013 15: 02 New
        +2
        So that's why at least women will be more advantageous in this regard - the opposite sex does not greatly prevent them from concentrating on work :)
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 13 June 2013 15: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: Fl000d
          So that's why at least women will be more advantageous in this regard - the opposite sex does not greatly prevent them from concentrating on work :)


          There are no profitable soldiers. If a person is not able to concentrate on the war, he is sent home, usually in a coffin.
          1. Fl000d
            Fl000d 13 June 2013 16: 43 New
            +2
            Why doesn’t it happen? And the soldiers are not distributed to their duty stations for qualities that are not beneficial to them?
            And the ability to concentrate in men is your commentator, his self-criticism.
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 13 June 2013 17: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        When a woman is nearby, then the thoughts are completely different. And if a woman is also pretty, then ........ who is talking about, and we are talking about women

        This is koneshn. wink But if she is cute, then I even want to be taller, stronger, faster, so a soldier will jump above his head to be the best. I would also recruit them in appearance. smile
        hi
  3. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 13 June 2013 08: 52 New
    17
    On this issue, I will comment as an old soldier, women in the army have a place only in the dignity or at the communications center, for the rest I think that a woman in the army has nothing to do, inadvertently lean west and produce Jin soldiers!
    1. urich
      urich 13 June 2013 12: 27 New
      +6
      I was in Ryazan on an open day in the month of April. All tried to interest sons. Of course, everything is organized at a high level. These same girls were attracted to all study places by consultants. And most of them are similar to guys, fit, healthy, the form sits okay, not some kind of inches there ...
      However, each stick has two ends. Profanity in the army, as there, we do not scold her, we talk to her! But for girls it’s somehow not comme il faut. Yes, and at one of the training places an unattractive picture is hanging on the cadet’s suspension system, and next to it the cadet is standing and kissing her in a hickey ... That’s no good. I'm against it!
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 13 June 2013 13: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: urich
        Yes, and in one of the training places there’s an ugly picture, the cadet is hanging on the suspension system, and next to it the cadet is standing and they kiss with her in a suction ...

        Done right. And in the armies where women serve, this is prohibited. Usually a lip for that.
  4. erased
    erased 13 June 2013 08: 56 New
    10
    Women in battle formations of winged infantry in the forefront - nonsense!
    Yes, the experience of the Great Patriotic War showed that there are exceptions. There were women pilots, snipers, even several women were tankers. But it was a war for the survival of the country and people. In addition, the bulk of the female military personnel was in the rear - signalmen, doctors, support staff.
    Now why let the girls go to the front lines? What, they will be able to actually carry out combat missions in full on a par with men?
    It seems to me that this is an unnecessary experiment with bringing women to the forefront. Or is Russia gradually turning into the United States? Well then, it's still flowers ...
    1. Explore
      Explore 13 June 2013 11: 13 New
      +1
      Well there it is. Units for laying posrashuta in the hostilities do not participate. In the Medrot and the battalion of communications (we had them) motorized rifle, tank and other brigades, women soldiers are at much greater risk.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 13 June 2013 13: 06 New
      +1
      In the States, this is being deduced only now. And what objectively bad do you see in the fact that if a woman wants and meets all the criteria, she would occupy an officer post. Floor?
  5. Fl000d
    Fl000d 13 June 2013 09: 44 New
    +2
    Meanwhile, there are people who are capable and incapable of performing military service and completing missions of their mission regardless of gender. If a woman is able to command a unit, perform a combat mission no worse than men, who and on what basis has the right to prohibit her from doing this work? Men, too, far in their entirety are capable of doing such a job - only no one tells them that if someone cannot, then they all have no place here.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 13 June 2013 13: 07 New
      -1
      That's right. Inspection should go not by gender, but by personal qualities.
  6. Army1
    Army1 13 June 2013 09: 47 New
    +4
    Well, of course, there’s no place in the army, anyway, but she’s a woman, but some guys should feel ashamed, they’re all elves and counter strikers, etc. But the weaker sex was not afraid.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 13 June 2013 13: 07 New
      0
      Why not a place?
    2. Gato
      Gato 13 June 2013 17: 04 New
      0
      of course there is no place in the army

      I would clarify that there is no place in combat units and command posts. It is subconsciously difficult for men (normal) to recognize a woman’s leadership, this is at the genetic level.
      In addition, besides the army, there are other structures - the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the same special services in which women will be more in demand (I’ll ask you not laughing )
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 13 June 2013 19: 27 New
        -1
        And at the genetic level, fear death. But they go and howl. This is all an excuse.
  7. Yeraz
    Yeraz 13 June 2013 10: 49 New
    +6
    Damn what a beauty in the last photo good
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 13 June 2013 13: 02 New
      +2
      And what beauty would such an adversary destroy? Appearance?
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 13 June 2013 13: 21 New
        0
        I know women technicians, combat system operators, I had the chance to serve in the reservist with the girls from Caracal, a mixed unit of the girl-boyfriend, they quite distinctly detained the smugglers, and she killed a terrorist in a battle not so long ago. Tank instructors, drivers, unmanned system operators - are there few places in the army where brute force is not required?
  8. katran666
    katran666 13 June 2013 10: 57 New
    +7
    I have a simple attitude to this - bullshit and window dressing. there is no need for such a set - the competition in this institution for guys is so transcendental. I remember I was at the "partisans" training camp in one military school - it also had one set of girls - as the teachers of this school said quietly - high-ranking DADS struck the set, scored whom they needed (first of all, from Moscow), then the set was turned off. I myself served in Zh ... e - and therefore my question immediately arose - and where will these "defenders" go to serve? the teachers shrugged understandingly, well, where - to Moscow and St. Petersburg, they will be worn in short skirts at headquarters ...
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 13 June 2013 13: 09 New
      +5
      Bullshit and window dressing, right. Because in fact, you just need to allow girls on a common basis to act. What would matter solved personal qualities.
  9. s9883300
    s9883300 13 June 2013 11: 10 New
    +6
    Another way to get an education for free daughters of bosses. Already passed in 2000 in the Saratov VVIHHZ, as they say, and which of them serves or served as a platoon commander or was directly involved in the destruction of chemical weapons - no one.
    1. Fl000d
      Fl000d 13 June 2013 11: 25 New
      0
      It’s as if dad’s sons are not gaining. And maybe more.
  10. Fuzeler
    Fuzeler 13 June 2013 11: 20 New
    +4
    Hmmmm, I wonder, and when they go to the dektrets, who will put them in their place?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 June 2013 13: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: Fuzeler
      Hmmmm, I wonder, and when they go to the dektrets, who will put them in their place?

      Those who sent them to decrees will be delivered wassat
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 13 June 2013 13: 23 New
      +2
      Do you think the army is not indispensable? Most posts allow you to work until the last stages of pregnancy. In the Israeli army, I know women officers who have successfully combined service with three to four children.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 13 June 2013 14: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: Pimply
        In the Israeli army, I know women officers who have successfully combined service with three to four children.
        Well, yes, I ran through with a rifle until the last weeks, said goodbye quickly and back, to enter the guard. And for the child round-the-clock nurseries are available. Grow up a little - in kindergarten. And then we wonder why the girls from family life, like a horse from a steam locomotive, shy away. They never knew her, their own parents for them - only a source of sponsorship
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 13 June 2013 15: 11 New
          +1
          What about men? Listen, did you see the army only in the pictures? She is all of the infantry, just to do that run with a rifle? Or should a woman only give birth, give birth and again give birth without interruption, all her life? I repeat to you - I know women officers who have successfully given birth to three or more children and have normal, distinct families. And there are not one or two.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 13 June 2013 16: 25 New
            +6
            Quote: Pimply
            What about men? Listen, did you see the army only in the pictures?

            Well, tell me, an officer in the 4th generation, who has lived in the garrisons for most of his life, how MUCH the soldier has free time to talk with his own children. Especially if this is a normal warhead, and not the rear depots. My brother and I almost did not see the father, and my son grew up practically without my participation. And if both serve? THEY ARE ALWAYS ABLE TO RECOGNIZE YOUR OWN CHILD IN CLASS PHOTOS? Not to mention the fact that they do not raise children at all, but random people in kindergarten, school, on the street, etc. Even a cat almost does not move away from the cubs until he prepares them for an independent life. And a man suddenly imagined that the EDUCATION of children, OWN children can be given into the wrong hands, and at the same time hope for an excellent result
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 13 June 2013 16: 48 New
              +1
              First, parenting is the responsibility of both father and mother. You should never forget about it. Secondly, the correct organization of time makes it possible to devote a normal amount of time to children - there were examples before our eyes. Thirdly - is she supposed to give birth to you immediately at 20? And in the civilian world you have few mothers who have time for things, and do not care about the children.
              It is all about desire. That's all. There is a desire to make a normal family - there is time for everything. There is no such desire, there is a desire to blame their duties on education and other things on someone else - no prohibitions on military service will help.
      2. Gato
        Gato 13 June 2013 17: 12 New
        +2
        It seems to me that the IDF is not an indicator in this matter - the appeal of women in Israel is a necessary measure (well, or was such when it all started) due to limited human resources.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 13 June 2013 19: 28 New
          -1
          And then what is the indicator? IDF is just an indicator that women can really successfully integrate. No one is talking about introducing a compulsory appeal for women (although I am in favor, with the right to choose alternative or regular military service). We are talking about ensuring that women are not imposed unnecessary restrictions, that they have the opportunity, if their personal qualities allow, to take up an appropriate position
  11. albai
    albai 13 June 2013 11: 20 New
    +7
    The last thing to let women to the forefront as commanders of combat units. On this, I think there are enough men. But the women’s officers who have graduated from higher education institutions, who know all the ins and outs of the SV service, are needed in support and supply units. Women are more punctual, assiduous, honest, not drinkers, do not steal. In many rear positions, they can successfully replace men. Naturally, many ambitious girls will want to be in line units, but there will be few of them. Why not, you need to let them realize themselves. The presence of women in the Army has a beneficial effect on men. We are getting better than it really is. I remember that after a six-month stay in the mountains of Afghanistan, upon arrival at the Nursing School, when he saw the nurses, he could not speak, he was afraid to swear.
    1. katran666
      katran666 13 June 2013 12: 01 New
      +7
      everything is correct - only for the rear or headquarters posts it is not at all necessary to finish the RVDKKU - a simple civil university is also possible. so, by the way, women enter the army. in this case, I think they are corny occupying other people's places - in their place, future combat officers could really study, and not by default the staff-signalmen-nurse
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 13 June 2013 13: 25 New
        -1
        The mistake is that this is really window dressing, and not a real attempt to assess the capabilities and potential of women as officers
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 13 June 2013 13: 10 New
      -1
      Should not be let-not let. If a woman wants, maybe knows how - why should restrictions be imposed on her only because she wears a skirt outside of service?
  12. cpk72
    cpk72 13 June 2013 11: 31 New
    +2
    I am not against Women in the Russian Army, but the main thing is that it wouldn’t come to such a thing as for example in the Israeli army
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    2. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer 13 June 2013 12: 39 New
      +1
      The main thing is that there wouldn’t be such a thing:
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 13 June 2013 13: 18 New
        +1
        The traditions are tenacious. For this, the officers must be clamped. Of any gender.
        1. Gato
          Gato 13 June 2013 17: 14 New
          +2
          it is necessary to clamp. Any gender

          Better than women laughing
      2. Fl000d
        Fl000d 14 June 2013 11: 13 New
        0
        Well, I remember this lady - she was such a Fa, even when we were studying. Just to see her here is a surprise:
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 13 June 2013 13: 11 New
      0
      Stupid pictures are taken everywhere and always. What men, what women.
      The question is in the remaining fighting qualities.
  13. Soldier
    Soldier 13 June 2013 11: 34 New
    +7
    You can blame me, but I think that the war has no woman’s face. And you don’t have to dress, glorious Uncle Vasya’s troops in skirts. There are no girls in the rear who served in the brigade, but everyone treated them, lovingly, condescendingly, , and their service was ,, with comfort ,, And women in the positions of the commander of a group (platoon) and above, I consider it superfluous.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 13 June 2013 13: 14 New
      +1
      Rather, in this case, they will blame me, not you.

      It is this “loving-indulgent” attitude - this is evil. Because a woman is quite effective as a fighter and commander. The first commanders in my army were women. Believe me, command, and command toughly, so that, for example, recruits obey - they can and can.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 13 June 2013 16: 30 New
        +4
        Quote: Pimply
        woman is quite effective and a fighter
        It is possible to make a quite effective executioner out of her, but will she still remain a WOMAN?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 13 June 2013 16: 32 New
          -1
          Yes, it is quite. Tell me, those who fought in the Second World War, you also call executioners, and you think that they are not women?
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 13 June 2013 16: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Misantrop
          It is possible to make a quite effective executioner out of her, but will she still remain a WOMAN?


          what say about her?
          - an ineffective soldier?
          - an effective executioner?
          - She did not remain a woman?
          on the picture:

          Sniper of the 255th Marine Brigade of the Black Sea Fleet, senior Red Navy (corporal) Mironova Elizaveta Fedorovna in the Novorossiysk region. The sniper’s personal account is about a hundred destroyed enemy soldiers and officers.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 13 June 2013 16: 51 New
            +1
            About 20 meters from the line of our trenches on the neutral - two. She and she. Snipers. The first is a brunette from Kiev region. The second is 8 years younger and a burning blonde from Moscow.

            They called each other Lyudok and Lizok.

            The first one died less than a month ago. Also a sniper, by the way. You sat, you know, hugged his wife, and then a shell ... She and his wife didn’t, but the man had seven shrapnel penetrators and his arm was torn off. The one with whom he hugged his wife.

            The second - not married, volunteered for the front, fought near Odessa. More than 20 killed on the account. In short, life has also seen ...

            Now they are two dusty and dirty to the point of mind silhouettes barely guessed in a stunted shrub. There are also two rifles wrapped in rags, gazing east. The first trunk was called Sveta, the second was Moses.

            - Well?
            - No, LizOk, I don’t see.
            - And I do not see, LyudOk.
            - Here ...

            For the fourth day they hunted for a German sniper, who in this section of the defense of the SOR did not let anyone raise their heads. Yesterday, they even calculated the lying of this parasite and offered to cover it with mortars. But our ammunition was scarce and the weaker sex was ordered to "sort it out on our own."

            http://u-96.livejournal.com/3058614.html
          2. aviamed90
            aviamed90 13 June 2013 17: 23 New
            +3
            Karlsonn

            You always confuse wartime and peace.

            And you show me the same effective sniper, for example, in the Chechen war or the war with Georgia! And better - a female officer with combat experience!

            And you cite the total world war as an example!

            Indeed, now military schools graduate a sufficient number of female officers.
            There were even graduations of female PAN officers (advanced aviation gunners). And where are they in the troops?
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 13 June 2013 17: 35 New
              -1
              Quote: aviamed90
              You always confuse wartime and peace.


              no, I don’t confuse.

              Quote: aviamed90
              And you show me the same effective sniper, for example, in the Chechen war or the war with Georgia!


              effective sniper women fought in mercenaries against our army.


              Quote: aviamed90
              There were even graduations of female PAN officers (advanced aviation gunners). And where are they in the troops?


              the introduction of a new digital form also resulted in the well-known fact that our special forces take off the whole unit and buy replicas of the American or English uniforms — so, on the grounds that the introduction of women into the army does not go smoothly, is it canceled?
              and with a form how? request we will score too and we will buy from behind a hill, since we ourselves cannot dress an army?

              as an argument, the elite good , and what on them besides weapons and special means of domestic?
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 13 June 2013 19: 51 New
              0
              Do you know why there is no example? Because it occurred to someone - a woman cannot do this. Here is a minus example.
  14. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 13 June 2013 11: 36 New
    +1
    A girl in the army only to headquarters, directly in the army they have nothing to do.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 13 June 2013 13: 14 New
      0
      Argument.
      1. Suvorov000
        Suvorov000 13 June 2013 15: 09 New
        +3
        A very simple argument, the commander should do better than his subordinate, and so in the elite troops such as the Airborne Forces, Special Forces, the Marines, the Border Guards, they are gaining (as originally supposed) the best, mostly athletes, and believe them will have more health, they will learn more they’ll study in school, and then try to restrain this, only a man can keep another man in the frame, this is not a woman’s business, I don’t argue there are women who have (have eggs), but believe me, this is an exception to the rule
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 13 June 2013 15: 45 New
          0
          Have you served somewhere, where is it different? I've served. And I can clearly tell you - not only a man is able to keep another man in the framework. It all depends on personal qualities. My first commander in the army was a woman. And an officer too. I somehow did not notice any special differences in comparison with the courses of the KMB and the male sergeants. The same stiffness.
          Yes, women are much less likely to carry certain elements of the army service. And units can go to special forces in general. But how many men can go there? And should we restrict entry there only by gender, and not by personal qualities?
          1. Suvorov000
            Suvorov000 13 June 2013 17: 03 New
            +1
            He served and what I’m talking about. I know that you yourself answered:
            Quote: Pimply
            Yes, women are much less likely to carry certain elements of the army service. And units can go to special forces in general.

            In connection, please, medicine please, but in the elite troops they will be devoured with giblets, in such troops they are not guided by the charter, but by the order of the commander. The commander is an example, this is the standard and the commander must first break the fighter, and then, like a potter, mold a jug from clay, the commander forms his unit, and when he does, the fighters will go after him wherever, only before that sometimes you have to fill your face, and how do you think a woman has enough strength to lay down an ambala with characteristics 6x9, so there is no need for a military song. Their personal qualities, by and large, do not correspond to their requests, only a few can fully perform functional duties in such units and this is not an unfounded statement but statistics, believe me, if you take a psychological analysis of candidates at admission, almost all fail, that's why these girls were put for such specialization as parachute handlers
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 13 June 2013 19: 52 New
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              And therefore it is necessary to be guided not by personal qualities, but by gender? Yes, let them devour. I'm all for it. It cannot - let it not go there. But the opportunity to get there should be.
              1. Suvorov000
                Suvorov000 14 June 2013 11: 52 New
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                Believe me, those who really can do it and serve there))) only they can be counted on the fingers and toes and they are taken by the commanders of these units themselves, you can see those from far)
          2. aleshka
            aleshka 13 June 2013 21: 03 New
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            You probably served in the IDF ??
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 13 June 2013 22: 35 New
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              Exactly
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  15. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 13 June 2013 12: 01 New
    +8
    Beautiful girls .... feminine. But my personal opinion is that women should be in the family and with children. Take care of your man and raise children. To support morally the husband and once again bring up the children .... namely children and not one child ..... but rather three or four. Here it is female happiness !! ... and not at the ready to run around with a machine gun, crawl in the mud and give the men commands ... live in the barracks and stand in outfits.
    A woman should take up arms only together with teenage children .... at that moment when this remains the only means of defense against the enemy.
    In Russia, our population is becoming less and less .... our girls give birth and give birth ... and they are in the army ... what a fashion ... again the harmful influence of the West.
    Here another problem looms .... the theme of the fact that we have a man, or rather a woman takes it from him .... male .... and men are gradually just losing weight .... but this topic is a separate conversation
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 13 June 2013 13: 38 New
      -2
      And why not leave the choice of female happiness to her herself, to the woman. Maybe for her it is both. I know several women officers who have three or four children, everything is in order in the family, and at the same time they are in full military service.

      Military service does not interfere with giving birth and giving birth, I tell you this from the experience of the Israeli army. And normal families also do not bother to have. The reasons for the decline in the birth rate are not only in the army. If the purpose of the woman is to give birth only, then let them ban the school and the institute.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 13 June 2013 13: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        I know several women officers who have three or four children, everything is in order in the family, and at the same time they are in full military service.

        If the leaders of several countries are now homosexuals, does this mean that the rest of the rulers must be made homosexual?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 13 June 2013 15: 17 New
          -2
          Are you so scared of homosexuals? Are you so unsure of your orientation?
          How a woman’s service in the army is connected with the fact that somewhere the country's leaders are homosexual. And by the way, specify where exactly besides Ireland, those are available.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 13 June 2013 16: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            Are you so scared of homosexuals? Are you so unsure of your orientation?
            I AM? No, I’m completely sure. But here is the advertisement of all this rubbish pouring from all angles on the fragile brains of children (while parents serve or tear the veins at work, crawling home only for the night), I am VERY worried. And it bothers me that, having met such scum on the street, I have no right to repulse him worthless sexual characteristics (which he himself cannot find any use for). This is NOT TOLERANT ...
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 13 June 2013 16: 55 New
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              Tell me, before this advertisement was not. The states, for example, were even more conservative, England generally planted, somewhere executed. So what? Has this changed anything somewhere? According to statistics that Kinzi did in the 50s (patriarchal, harsh, intolerant 50s), homosexuality was an integral part of society.

              In the USSR, homosexuals were imprisoned. They disappeared somewhere?

              What business does one adult do with another adult by mutual agreement? However, this is a topic for a completely different conversation.

              Tell us what is the link between the service of women in the army and homosexuality?
              1. atalef
                atalef 13 June 2013 17: 08 New
                +1
                Quote: Pimply
                Tell us what is the link between the service of women in the army and homosexuality?

                He probably wants to say that in order for women to serve peacefully in the army there should be (in his opinion) some pi ,,,, ry wassat
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 13 June 2013 13: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      Beautiful girls .... feminine. But my personal opinion is that women should be in the family and with children. Take care of your man and raise children. To support morally the husband and once again bring up the children .... namely children and not one child ..... but rather three or four.

      But they do not know how and do not want to be able to. Neither give birth, nor educate properly. Neither take care of anyone but yourself. They were not taught this. The chain of the maternity hospital-day nursery-kindergarten-school-university, when they only came home to sleep, without seeing their parents for weeks, finally bore fruit. They do not know either the normal family or their place in it ...
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 13 June 2013 16: 34 New
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        Yes, my friend, you have some kind of trauma, since you have come across such women.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 14 June 2013 01: 27 New
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          Quote: Pimply
          you have some kind of injury
          This is not my injury, but your order by any means to destroy the traditional way of life existing in the country. Girls serve in the army of Israel - but for God's sake, let them serve. But for Russia, why? Isn't it better to think about raising the prestige of military service so that there are fewer refuseniks among the guys? And then girls with Kalash, and guys - with lipstick and in pink blouses. Maybe invite migrant workers even if the girls refuse? Yes, and platoon in the airborne ... Ah, they have two years already as many as 10 jumps, what an achievement. lol My brother got that amount for another month. The RVVDKU didn’t manage to close completely — so we’ll recruit girls there, maybe there will not be enough places for normal guys there. They started training military translators there. Maybe there is also a ballet studio to open, since now there is "every creature in pairs"?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 14 June 2013 02: 14 New
            0
            Conspiracy-conspiracy-panic-panic-panic! I have an order! Tell me where to get the money?

            You are all drawn to homosexuals, think about it.

            I am only for enhancing the prestige of the service. I had both military grandfathers. And more guys should be called. And it’s a shame that so little is called upon. The service must be prestigious.

            I believe that everyone should be called. And serve is all. Service in the army must be a duty, prestige, they must fight for it. And the girls as well. And I think that the measure of art restrictions like gender and trying to imagine it as “caring for a weaker sex” is a shame. Shame and fear among those who say so.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 14 June 2013 12: 01 New
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              Quote: Pimply
              I believe that everyone should be called. And serve is all. Army service should be duty, prestige, must fight for her. And the girls as well.

              Well, debt or prestige? Understand for a start. If you call everyone, then it’s not necessary to fight for it, and so they will rake lol Explain clearly, FOR WHAT A TOTAL mobilization is needed. It is in Russia, with Israel, it is clear there, anywhere - like at the front. But, however, the Orthodox are not called upon ...

              For centuries, in Russia it has developed that a man is a breadwinner, defender, and guard. The woman is the keeper and support of the hearth, the main unit of society. Well-defined roles defined by physiological gender differences. And then, at the beginning of the 20th century, women who were not in demand in their main functions began to fight, as they declared, for "equality of rights." It has happened before, but these were isolated cases, and here it was SYSTEMITY. Here are both feminists in the USA and “fiery revolutionaries” of the times of the revolution and the Civil war in Russia. Yes, they have achieved, proved, received. That's just the result was somewhat different from what was expected. This in a single line is good when everyone in the same line is the same without gender or age difference. Especially for managers (global) - it’s convenient to build from the same bricks everything that you want, as in the constructor. And choice is not required; it simply does not exist. It’s easy to blindfold a family, I hooked up on the details of how many people will fit in the jelly, all of them are the same. The dream of a globalist. You want - of the two, you want - of the five. I wanted to change roles in such a "family" - surgeons are ready, they will cut anything or sew it on. Legislators also fussed, equalized in rights, adoption is allowed. At such a pace, the concept of "parent number 8" will soon become commonplace, what kind of "mom" and "dad" are, a relic ... Do you call for this, do you like this kind of structure of society? Indeed, another with such a unification simply does not work. The guy does not need a steep special forces unit of traditional orientation, she herself is cooler than Rambo (according to her feelings). Accordingly, even if she wants to start a family, either her henpecker will be her partner (the other simply will not get along, will not find a social role for herself), or there will be an imitation of the family, a fiction
  16. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 13 June 2013 12: 35 New
    +5
    Nothing for women to do in the Airborne Forces. We are not 41 years old, there are enough men. And this faculty, they attached their daughters to receive education. Parents doctors shove their children into medical ones, parents are police officers at schools of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but it was decided to shove these into the Airborne Forces.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 13 June 2013 13: 34 New
      -2
      And why do you think that if a woman can and wants to serve, and even meets the criteria, everything should determine the gender, and not the personal qualities of the candidate?
  17. family
    family tree 13 June 2013 13: 12 New
    +1
    All graduates who graduate from the school this year will receive the specialty of platoon paratrooper platoon commander. For this reason, the conduct of hostilities will not be their profile.
    Fuh! Already relieved from the heart. But still, I do not envy their commander. This is such a hemorrhoid of the brain!
  18. Misantrop
    Misantrop 13 June 2013 13: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: Pimply
    And why do you think that if a woman can and wants to serve, and even meets the criteria, everything should determine the gender, and not the personal qualities of the candidate?
    Put the word "give birth" instead of the word "serve." Maybe it will become clearer. Will menstruation be canceled by order of the garrison? Do not replace tolerance with physiology. Gender differences can not be seen point-blank from the principle, but they will not disappear from this
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 13 June 2013 15: 32 New
      0
      I served in the army, where women make up about 40 percent of the personnel. By the will of fate, I was also a medical officer. So, the topic with "they will begin to bleed here" and so on. - greatly exaggerated. All the excess is removed with commonplace medicines and hygiene products, the proportion of those whose menstruation is really hard - less than one percent, and then - all this is again regulated by drugs, most often - banal paracetamol. Do not give your own prejudices as caring. With about the same angry speeches, one hundred years ago, it was believed that women should be prohibited from studying at universities.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 14 June 2013 01: 30 New
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        Quote: Pimply
        all this is again regulated by drugs
        WHY, can you say? WHAT FOR Poke girls there and stuff with medicines? And do not call upon the Orthodox. No medicine will help with this?
  19. AntonR7
    AntonR7 13 June 2013 14: 16 New
    +2
    Maybe I’ll write not very progressive things, I’m not a hater, but my opinion is not the place for women in the army. After all, they are cute and gentle creatures, in my opinion they should not be rude, and in the army there can’t be anything without it, and even blood, murders in the war. All the same, this man’s business, man is more rude and aggressive in nature. I think this is the notorious fashion - "keeping up to date", but as in the saying "what is allowed to Jupiter, then the bull is not allowed." Let women be lovely and beautiful guardians of the hearth, and we men will fight.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 13 June 2013 15: 32 New
      0
      Because of your beliefs, should you forbid them to serve?
      1. AntonR7
        AntonR7 13 June 2013 19: 15 New
        +1
        I believe the war is not a women's business, but about Israel, as far as I know, to the front lines and there they try not to send them, this is an extreme case.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 13 June 2013 19: 53 New
          0
          There is a unit in which, yes, the girls are at the forefront. And yes, in most cases they do not serve in combat units. But the girls have the opportunity to serve in them.
    2. Prometheus
      Prometheus 13 June 2013 19: 17 New
      +2
      Plus. If they serve where, then in the communications troops, command centers, maintain equipment, etc. But demography is still more important. Of course, with the infrastructure for working with children.
  20. rudolff
    rudolff 13 June 2013 14: 27 New
    +9
    Here the whole question is not whether to accept women for service or not at all, but where exactly! I fully admit that ladies can serve in the communications forces, electronic warfare, air defense, military transport aviation, topography, etc. But in combat infantry units, and even in the posts of commanders, they have nothing to do. Once they showed physical education classes in the box, hand-to-hand fighting of these same ladies in blue berets. I don’t know by what principles they were selected there, but it looked more than just ridiculous! Rather ridiculous! Maybe you can find among them a sort of "horses with eggs", but this is rare, on the verge of pathology. Endocrinologists patients with off-scale testosterone.
    1. soldat1945
      soldat1945 13 June 2013 14: 51 New
      0
      Could put 10 pluses!
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 13 June 2013 15: 39 New
      0
      Here. It looked funny. Because the approach is ridiculous.
      If you treat them like a circus - this will be the circus. Because no one is seriously engaged.
      If you approach them like normal soldiers and cadets, maybe they will finish less, but they will be normal fighters.

      Here is a girl from the Caracal unit of the Israeli army. I had to serve with them for long. At first they were free to treat them. And the results were appropriate. Then came a new battalion commander. Raised the level of training, tightened discipline. With me they detained smugglers - and these are carriers of drugs and weapons, guys are unsafe. Not so long ago, in a battle on the Egyptian border, a terrorist was destroyed.

      He knew artillery girls, tank instructors, training course commanders, etc. You know, no worse than guys. In some posts, even better. By the way, they make excellent commanders and officers.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 13 June 2013 16: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        If you approach them like normal soldiers and cadets, maybe they will finish less, but they will be normal fighters.


        I completely agree with almost all of your comments in this discussion. drinks

        Well, a little frivolity wink
      2. SIT
        SIT 13 June 2013 19: 07 New
        +3
        [quote = Pimpled] Here. It looked funny. Because the approach is ridiculous.
        If you treat them like a circus - this will be the circus. Because no one is seriously engaged.
        If you approach them like normal soldiers and cadets, maybe they will finish less, but they will be normal fighters.

        Here is a girl from the Caracal unit of the Israeli army. [quote]
        It's Russia. Ryazan. There in winter up to -30 is not uncommon, but -20 every year. Throwing, throwing march, spending the night in the forest and not one will add a lot of female health? In order to piss, it’s enough for us to stick one of the overalls out, and if you want to, you don’t want to, you need to bare-ass in the snow for little need. Moreover, the colder, the more often you want. Then once a day you’ll get a shit, and then shakes the horseradish, you’ll warm up, and the girls will completely get the kirdyk. Do not need them for military posts. The command to lay parachutes for them is the most. Do not cripple them and make them survive in the same conditions as the guys.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 13 June 2013 19: 54 New
          -1
          And for the man? Also perfect?
          I repeat once more - there must be a choice. No need to try to decide for them, a woman is not a dog.
          1. SIT
            SIT 13 June 2013 20: 11 New
            +2
            Quote: Pimply
            And for the man? Also perfect?

            If 6 times a day in a sweat-wet outfit, sit barefoot in the snow at -20, then the chances of getting inflammation of the appendages are much greater than getting prostatitis, taking out the end of the suit as many times.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 13 June 2013 22: 08 New
              -1
              Be sure to bare ass on the snow? These are all circus and notions, you know. In fact, in reality, people adapt perfectly and not to this.
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 14 June 2013 01: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: rudolff
      Here the whole question is not whether to accept women for service or not at all, but where exactly! I fully admit that ladies can serve in the communications forces, electronic warfare, air defense, military transport aviation, topography, etc.
      Exactly. Especially in the conditions of remote garrisons, where for the wives of the military, there is simply NO other job. But plugging holes with them because of the wild number of glamorous refuseniks is a crime. And, especially, pretend that everything is in order
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 14 June 2013 02: 15 New
        -1
        Not glamorous refuseniks refuse. All refuse. Imagine, and Moses and Zverev served in the army. And Baluev and Rastorguev did not serve. Well, after all, for sure, apparently the whole thing is in glamor.
  21. rudolff
    rudolff 13 June 2013 14: 34 New
    +5
    No matter how cool Natasha Rogozina is, no matter how many champion belts she wore, there was a home scandal and her husband marked on the first day. For a long time I went with Fingals. And when asked how it happened, you are a professional boxing star, the answer was simple: well, he’s a man! But this is Rogozin! The only one of its kind!
    1. Suvorov000
      Suvorov000 13 June 2013 15: 14 New
      +1
      and there was another case when the European champion in wrestling was raped on the street, the question is, you are the champion in wrestling like that, the answer was: “If a man wants to rape you he will do it” there wasn’t all the bruises on the woman
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 13 June 2013 15: 48 New
        0
        Former boxing world champion Oedip Secowicz was found dead at the entrance to a cafe in Vienna that he owned, AFP reports. Police officers who examined the scene reported that the athlete died during a street fight.

        A couple dozen similar cases lead?
      2. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 13 June 2013 16: 24 New
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        Quote: Suvorov000
        and there was another case when the European champion in wrestling was raped on the street


        couple:
        - the world champion in boxing “fly” and first-class “classic” in the weight category - “third from above”, on whom will you put a comrade?
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 13 June 2013 15: 40 New
      -1
      This is not an example. Modern combat is not a melee. More precisely, if he comes to a melee - this is nonsense.
      1. SIT
        SIT 13 June 2013 18: 55 New
        0
        Quote: Pimply
        Modern combat is not a melee. More precisely, if he comes to a melee - this is nonsense.

        Just not in the Airborne Forces and the Marine Corps. There, a melee may be the only chance to survive, because if you do not mix hand to hand with the enemy, his artillery will mix the entire landing with sand.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 13 June 2013 19: 55 New
          -1
          With what joy? A melee is just one of the methods of body development at the moment, and that’s it. If it came to hand-to-hand combat, then 10000 miscalculations were made.
          1. SIT
            SIT 13 June 2013 20: 17 New
            0
            Quote: Pimply
            A melee is just one of the methods of body development at the moment, and that’s it. If it came to hand-to-hand combat, then 10000 miscalculations were made.

            This is while the war is in one gate. On the one hand savages with Kalash, and on the other electronics. That's when equal electronics converge, then all the calculations will fly into miscalculations, and in such a mess as landing on an unprepared shore, everything will go into action to stay alive.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 13 June 2013 22: 08 New
              -1
              Yes, in the end everyone will wet each other with stones. Then we'll talk.
          2. Suvorov000
            Suvorov000 14 June 2013 12: 16 New
            -1
            Do you know what a marine landing is on a fortified coast, when salvation is only when you come in direct contact with the enemy, otherwise you will simply be smeared along the coastal strip and here you have to master the techniques of hand-to-hand combat to perfection, then you can not wait for reinforcements all hope is only on oneself, it should still hold the site until the approach of the main forces
    3. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 13 June 2013 16: 20 New
      0
      Quote: rudolff
      No matter how cool Natasha Rogozina is, no matter how many champion belts she wore, there was a home scandal and her husband marked on the first day.


      As a person with some relation to sport, I will express my opinion:

      - A more "oblique" example is still worth looking for! I will not raise the flood on the topic - "The difference in the preparation of an athlete and a melee fighter"

      Just one thesis:
      - comrade rudolff Please indicate the height and weight of the couple you wrote about.
  22. Vtel
    Vtel 13 June 2013 15: 07 New
    +4
    Rather, it is a tribute to fashion that has come from the West, democracy says that our women have the right to jump into fame. Now, women’s car drivers on the roads have become higher than the roof and road safety has become better, but they also said at first that they don’t drink, don’t swear, go no more than 60 and generally decorate the road. Tobish women with a masculine character, such a tank and stop the race, and the peasant will protect him from hooligans.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 13 June 2013 15: 41 New
      -3
      Do you know that we, the guys, continue to make most of the accidents on the roads?
      1. Suvorov000
        Suvorov000 13 June 2013 17: 24 New
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        and you are aware that you are wrong))) more accidents are committed by women, another thing is that more fatal accidents are made by men
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 13 June 2013 17: 38 New
          -1
          Quote: Suvorov000
          more accidents are committed by women, it is another matter that fatal accidents are committed by more men


          can I link?
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 13 June 2013 19: 57 New
          -1
          I prefer to speak with facts.

          One study that could help restore justice was done by the British insurance company Elephant. Its specialists did a great job analyzing data on 200 insured events for a number of parameters - the age and gender of the driver, the presence of injured persons and victims, the amount of damage - and compiled a series of comparative tables. The results of the study are striking: for drivers under the age of 000 (note, as a rule, women begin to learn to drive later, so by the age of 25 they usually have less experience than peers men) the difference in the cost of an accident for an insurance company is 25% - and not in favor of men. Such a spread cannot be explained by an error in the calculations; in addition, for all age groups as a whole, it is also very noticeable 15%, again in favor of women.

          However, money is not everything. According to the independent British research center Brake, every sixth male Englishman under the age of 30 becomes a participant in an accident with serious consequences, that is, one in which at least one person dies or gets injured. Last year, these accidents cost the British economy $ 2,4 billion. For women of the same age, this figure is three and a half times lower.

          Data for the UK is almost completely confirmed by statistics from the United States. According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), in 2009, 23 men and a total of 726 women died on United States roads. The ministry explained that men aged 10 to 070 are much more likely to be scammers while driving, therefore they not only get into accidents more often, but they also pay much more fines for speeding, red light and other traffic violations . In general, according to the American Automobile Association, the average man, compared with the average woman, is more likely to die in traffic accidents by 16%.
          1. Suvorov000
            Suvorov000 14 June 2013 12: 51 New
            -1
            Hmmm, having looked at a dozen sites, I have to admit, I’m not right, really not right in this matter
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 14 June 2013 01: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        do we guys continue to make most of the road accidents?

        Two months ago, his brother smashed his car into the trash (and he was not alone, three more), only because the glamorous chicken saw on the side of the road a very necessary store for her. And rushed to him through 3 lanes across the movement. By the way, the fool didn’t suffer herself ...
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 14 June 2013 02: 16 New
          -1
          And statistics say that in parallel with their own gagging, more cars were smashed by men. AND?
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 14 June 2013 14: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            And the statistics say

            Well, where to stick it, those statistics, on the hood or on the bumper? Statistics are good when you need to justify what is currently required. Have you heard about different types of thinking? The decision-making mechanism of a woman is OTHER. Not better or worse, but ANOTHER, a completely different chain of associative connections. Yes, now, in the era of mixing everything and everything, and thinking styles have been very mixed. It often happens that it is a woman who demonstrates the classic masculine style of thinking (and vice versa). But this IMHO - not a blessing, but a misfortune of the present
  23. Dimka off
    Dimka off 13 June 2013 15: 19 New
    +2
    Rakov correctly said, and I agree with him. A woman has no place in leadership positions in the army, and it is not a woman’s business to fight. And the strongest woman is no match for the strongest man. I can not imagine women going on the attack on tanks or infantry. War and army are the lot of men.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 13 June 2013 15: 49 New
      -1
      Argument, plz
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 13 June 2013 16: 42 New
      -1
      Quote: Dimka off
      I can not imagine women going on the attack on tanks or infantry. War and army are the lot of men.


      How is the UAV operator? it’s just right away, to the thesis

      Quote: Dimka off
      War and army are the lot of men.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 13 June 2013 16: 55 New
        0
        Did you know tank instructors, which most ordinary tankers did at a time?
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 13 June 2013 17: 48 New
          -1
          Quote: Pimply
          Did you know tank instructors, which most ordinary tankers did at a time?

          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 14 June 2013 21: 04 New
            +1
            October Maria Vasilievna
            Well, yes, the war, the husband died. I bought a tank, fought, died ... My father-in-law began to fight in 1941, left straight from school. Also a tankman. The spring of the 45th met in Germany with shoulder straps of foreman on his shoulders. Burned in the tank more than once. And then he defeated the Kwantung group and served in China as part of the 58th Army in China. He was born in 1926. Compare combat effectiveness, how old was he in 1941? And what next, let's start ALL at the age of 15? After all, SUCH boys and girls will tear everyone up, they are not afraid of death even when they are young ... They’ll get a fucking army, you can tear the whole planet to pieces ...

            And with regards to the girl snipers, had to communicate with any of them? Live, not in the movies. In ordinary life, not on an anniversary? I've had to. Higher mathematics at SVVMIU was read to us by Zoya Yakovlevna Fenenko, WWII sniper. With quite an adult combat personal account. It wasn’t realistic to write off from her, so our cheat sheet lovers simply howled lol So about the war she VERY did not like to remember. Despite the fact that then, in the late 70s, we - the boys, wearing epaulettes, it was VERY interesting and romantic. "Dirt, blood and expectation" - her words about her own fighting activities. And complete reluctance to be proud of it, and even more so - to stick out. I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t want such a fate for my relatives ... My brother, while serving as an officer, didn’t hook a peaceful life at all. After graduating from the RVDKU, he ended up in the Vitebsk division (the most Belarusian collapse), and from there to Gudauta in 345 OPDP. 5 years of war in the Airborne Forces, then - 3 years in the Airborne Forces CH, Chechnya. Not a damn thing, alas ... And this is a typical track record of a graduate of the RVDKU of those years. Do you wish your daughter a similar fate?
  24. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 13 June 2013 16: 12 New
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    My mother! belay Urgent, damn it, to see ... Nightmare ... And nonsense
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 14 June 2013 08: 18 New
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      There are two types of women in the peacetime army: the Valkyries and the Marktantes. The former, cradling some of their inner complexes, are trying to get away from boring life into the world, as they consider it, "thrills." Moreover, men are afraid of panic, but they do not show this, I compensate for all this with animal ferocity. The situation is worse for a soldier than being subordinate to the Valkyrie, it’s just hard to imagine.
      The “Maritime Women", on the other hand, join the army for about the same reasons, though they perceive them in their own way. Knowing and understanding perfectly well how difficult it is for a soldier without a woman’s affection, what degree of insanity can occur as a result of a chronic “ST” and take it to the fullest, changing men every night and demanding payment in the form of services and various concessions. Terrible moodiness and eternal dissatisfaction. hi
  25. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 13 June 2013 17: 47 New
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    Quote: Pimply
    Argument.

    I just feel sorry for them, they are so beautiful.
  26. pogis
    pogis 13 June 2013 18: 21 New
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    In the States, this is being deduced only now. And what objectively bad do you see in the fact that if a woman wants and meets all the criteria, she would occupy an officer post. Floor?

    The war, the work of the young, the cure for wrinkles, and this is the work of men! The war does not have a female face and, accordingly, women should be far from it!
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 13 June 2013 20: 00 New
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      It was once said that it is harmful for women to study. Even earlier - what is harmful to wash.
  27. waisson
    waisson 13 June 2013 20: 41 New
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    I don’t believe in dust in the eyes of the state where they will serve as platoon soldiers not in the barracks but in the headquarters they will remove today's women contractors from the headquarters they will offend them no offense I saw such an example in OOH Lieutenant General KHALILOV’s daughter from the airborne headquarters
  28. Revolver
    Revolver 13 June 2013 21: 10 New
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    If women appear in the ranks, some of the commanders will certainly want to use them for, ahem, their intended purpose. A couple of weeks ago, news came through here in America that another officer was removed from his post and put on trial for sexual harassment (the translation “sexual harassment” or “insult” is close, but not completely adequate). The trick is that he just headed the department to combat this most sexual harassment at a military base. Does the Russian Armed Forces have extra money to organize such departments?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 13 June 2013 22: 09 New
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      They want it. And this is where the military prosecutor’s office exists. The question of keeping the end in the pants is a question for the officer. If he cannot hold him, these are his problems.
  29. sinedanafin
    sinedanafin 13 June 2013 23: 32 New
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    They will protect their kitchen :)
  30. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 14 June 2013 01: 16 New
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    Personally, I like: the Stalinist-imperialist-gender chauvinist, I think that women have nothing to do in the army! fool
    But, at the same time, as a man who has seen women in extreme conditions, I declare responsibly, stepping on the throat of my own song:
    - in a march in the mountains for 25 km on the map - I’d rather go with a girl of 14 years old, who will definitely carry 10 kilograms of usable weight than with a “roll” of 92 kg. bully - there is experience.
    My opinion "trumpeter" has changed after talking with athletes in the society "SKA" Khabarovsk and a seminar in Kiev athletics school hi .
    Despite all my principles, I cannot forbid our women to defend their homeland!
    The names of such women as:
    - The skin of Vasilisa;
    -. A female Port Arthur soldier firing from a Russian redoubt only two hours before her death; 1904-1905. 日 露 戦 争 で す。 女性 兵士 の ポ ー ト ア ー サ ー 発 射 、 ロ シ ア の 砦
    photo did not pass crying
    - Zina Portnova.
    in me cause only respect.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 14 June 2013 02: 21 New
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      Haritina Evstafievna Korotkevich, the only soldier of Port Arthur. Posthumously awarded George
  31. lilit.193
    lilit.193 14 June 2013 02: 00 New
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    A good start! good Go on, girls!
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  33. cadet
    cadet 14 June 2013 05: 11 New
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    Quote: Pimply
    Do you think the army is not indispensable? Most posts allow you to work until the last stages of pregnancy. In the Israeli army, I know women officers who have successfully combined service with three to four children.

    First, in most regions of Russia the turn in kindergartens is 3-5 years. because of 2-3 women in the unit, no one will create a kindergarten. Question: how will this officer perform duties after the decree? secondly, because of the ecology, the agony of the healthcare system, the ugly quality of products in Russia, an unhealthy lifestyle, etc., etc. the optimal age of childbearing is reduced (even for young mothers to preserve heparin). Question: Does the country need a lieutenant-parachute packer or a young mother of healthy children? We are not Israel and will not be Israel for a long time.
  34. scientist
    scientist 20 August 2013 09: 48 New
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    Like most officers, I saw my children when I entered the Academy. You come from the service, they are already sleeping, you leave, they are still sleeping, On a rare weekend, you need to be in time for the housework. This is not counting the months spent at landfills and business trips. I somehow calculated that for 20 years of service I have been with my family for no more than 5 years. I don’t think what girls can do, unless they serve with her husband.