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Ghetto called "UKRAINA"

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When I travel to the City, I see normal Russian people there. Several relaxed and carefree, as in any other provincial city of southern Russia. Most often in the city sounds Russian speech. It is true that Ukrainian-speaking citizens sometimes come across in a noisy urban crowd, but they look ridiculous, like tourists. They are as ridiculous as Kiev - the mother of Russian cities, which today is the capital of Ukraine. Strange City, Free City, where intertwined история and fiction, true and false. However, most citizens do not care about everything except their personal problems. For them, Petliura is a street. Grushevsky is a monument. Mazepa is ten hryvnia. Power is evil. It is not clear how to tie all this together, to understand where the reason lies, and what is the consequence of Ukrainian problems ...


Kiev did not manage to eliminate provinciality from itself, despite its metropolitan status. However, Ukraine has not become a full-fledged state. There are attributes, but no state. Although in order to agree with this, you need to know that there is a sovereign state.


In Ukraine, everything is somehow not serious, amusing, childishly naive. It seems that adults have left this territory, giving children the opportunity to realize their fantasies. Nesmyshlёnyshy, forgetting everything, declared to themselves indefinite holidays, converted the parental inheritance into sweets and feasting. "In Busa veritas" - "Truth in Buza". When the adults return, I do not know, but the fact that Ukraine has come to the end of its history is undoubtedly.

However, about the end of the story, I got a little excited. Ukraine can exist indefinitely, if it is the mercy of external forces. Crisis, default, hunger, cold - all this can happen, but there is nowhere to run? This is how Ukraine will survive, as an African country torn apart by internal contradictions, from which citizens flee to Europe to get caught and deported back there.

Ten years ago, when compassionate media published information that people somewhere in Africa live on one dollar a day, I wondered how you could live on just one dollar, if you lack fifty. Then I began to understand, more precisely, to get used to the fact that you can live on one dollar a day. You just tighten the belt, first giving up the excess, then the necessary - and you live ... The main thing is that there is some explanation for your plight, and there is at least some kind of future ahead. With hope you can suffer. With such patience, Ukraine lives in expectation tomorrow, reducing its needs from year to year and finding justification for poverty.

Just think, over the years of independence, Ukraine without wars and "famines" has lost about seven million people! Even more than five million people seek happiness beyond its borders and will never return home of their free will. They are refugees from a state that has destroyed itself without war. Homeland is not waiting for them. Homeland they are not needed. And to love Ukraine is best to be far away from it, hoping that sooner or later, everything will be fine by itself and without any personal participation.

If for a moment we forget that the Ukrainians are ruled by the elected authorities themselves, then it is quite appropriate to talk about genocide. However, how can you accuse Ukrainians of a crime against the Ukrainians themselves? After all, what is the focus: there were still no principled decisions of the government in Ukraine that the people would not support. It later turned out that all these decisions led to a deterioration of the financial and economic situation in the country, but before that they were supported? Who is to blame? Against whom rebel and fight? Against manipulators from among the deputies, analysts, economists, journalists? Against the legitimate authorities of Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko or Yanukovych? Against all Ukrainian to the brain and bones of governments, regional, district and rural administrations? After all, exactly the same Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko and Yanukovich, who have not yet reached the main seats of their life, are sitting everywhere. They will grow, seize power and continue the work of their predecessors to destroy the state and its people. And this very population will also support them, because they have got used to mindlessly listening to primitive demagogy. Who is more guilty: the one who shamelessly lies, or the one who believes a liar, knowing that before him is a liar? It is nonsense that in Ukraine there are no people who do not understand what is happening, and where the country is heading, only to speak the whole truth is unprofitable. This will erase the future of any politician. If Ukraine had a big coat of arms, then it would have to write a motto on it: "We believe in lies, because we are afraid to admit the truth." All Ukraine, from its past to the present, is a big lie.

In Ukraine, everything is very similar to what the Nazis were doing in Europe during the Second World War, driving Jews to the ghetto for subsequent extermination. It was not the German administration that was responsible for the order in the ghetto, but the so-called Judenrat — the Jewish Rada. The powers of Judenrat of the times of the Third Reich included the maintenance of economic life, the collection of money and other contributions, the selection of candidates for work in labor camps and control over the execution of occupational power orders. Judenrat formally submitted to the Jewish police. The worst thing is that in the ghetto, the order was maintained by servants from “their own”, seeking to show their zeal to their owners, to save their lives and eat a little better than all other prisoners of the ghetto. Replace the Judenrats with Ukrainian Rada of all levels, and the occupying power of bureaucrats from the European Union, bankers from the IMF, and everything will converge.

Previously, it was difficult for me to understand why, in the absence of total Russophobia in Ukrainian society, the demand for Russophobic forces does exist. Why is the historical heresy in Ukraine so popular, and even Russians believe in it? Then I realized what was the matter ... The idea of ​​Ukrainians being chosen allows the most insignificant man to feel great and sinless. In Ukraine, someone else is always and everywhere to blame: either bloody tsarism, or Bolshevism, with its repression, collectivization, and hunger. Recently, Kuchmism was to blame, but never is “I am a man”, a component of this system. I repeat once again, accepting Ukrainians is very convenient, because in this case Muscovites served, they killed Muscovites with hunger, they prevented Muscovites from entering the Institute, made a discovery, made a brilliant film or wrote a book - Muscovites are to blame. And the Ukrainians are the people of sacrifice. It is easy to recognize anyone and anything vile, insignificant and terrible, but it is very difficult to admit oneself as such. To do this, you must have the courage to look at yourself from the outside, repent for your sins and recognize your least bit of responsibility for the past and the present.

At the end of the 80 of the twentieth century, many Ukrainians dreamed of how rich and happy they would become if they lived in a separate independent state. Everything had to appear in Ukraine: a new economy, a new art and culture, in the end - a new man, and not a despicable "scoop". But nothing appeared. And the bright future is moving away with Hetman Polubotka’s earlier investments, Mazepa’s gold, Viktor Yushchenko’s silicon valley, energy all independence of presidents taken together from Russia. How many silly fantasies were born in Ukraine in such a short period! There is nothing for the Ukrainians to be proud of, there is nothing of their own ... Therefore, the captivating star of European integration shone on the dark Ukrainian horizon of the future. If we ourselves were not capable of anything, then we can be proud of the achievements of European civilization, declaring ourselves part of it. Only trouble, Europe does not consider Ukrainians to be Europeans. The question is not geography, but the belonging of Ukrainians to the Russian Orthodox civilization, which cannot be changed by voting in elections and corrected in the questionnaires. You can renounce your Russianness, call yourself even a German, even a Japanese, but you can’t stop being a Russian.

Not everyone will agree that Ukraine is a ghetto, but the fact that something terrible is happening to Ukraine will be absolutely agreed upon. Even nationalists talk about the collapse of the Ukrainian project, they see only its causes in the current government, again in Muscovites, and not imposed by external control. And while the Ukrainians do not understand this, then this very external manager will change the power in Ukraine, sending predecessors to the expense. These are the rules of life in the ghetto ... There are no major ones here, there are first and last ...
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  1. My address
    My address 12 June 2013 14: 26
    75
    Recently, a Ukrainian neighbor was at a relative in a small town in central Ukraine. Returned astonished. They live worse than ten years ago, many are saved by their garden. Blame for everything: Kiev, Western Ukraine, Eastern Ukraine, Russia. They are neutral to Europe, some are waiting for miracles from there. There is a brewery, pigs were fed with waste, now there is no waste, but beer is being produced. This beer is scolded, but drunk. The people are embittered, for the most part they don’t believe anyone and nothing, a considerable part supports the nationalists. Colossal bribery at the local level (police, medicine, local government, etc.), colossal in the number of bribes, not in size. A neighbor in abusive expressions wonders how people could brainwash people to such an extent.
    In the absence of parents, during my childhood, I was attached to the best Aunt Nate from Nikopol. Then she returned to Ukraine with her. I do not want at all that with my relatives Aunt Nata and my good friends in Ukraine, something similar happened to what happened to people in Yugoslavia. But the West is a united Ukraine in vassals, especially in the friends of Russia, is not needed.
    1. experienced
      experienced 12 June 2013 15: 36
      37
      The Pope watched a report from the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine and realized that the End of the World is possible in one particular country smile
      The last joke is the status of an observer in the Customs Union, which gives nothing to Ukraine. They will watch how the participants of "profit" and "nyashka" share
    2. White
      White 12 June 2013 16: 01
      -69 qualifying.
      I absolutely do not want things similar to what happened to people in Yugoslavia to happen to my aunt Nata and my good friends in Ukraine. But the West does not need a united Ukraine in vassals, especially as friends of Russia.


      Quietly rustling with slate, the roof goes slowly.

      Enough to write that western Ukraine is a hotbed of Nazis and such crap, propaganda has washed your brain so much that you think you know everything better than anyone from your high bell tower.
      1. fokino1980
        fokino1980 12 June 2013 16: 10
        35
        Well, carry out counter propaganda !!! wink Prove that this is not so ??? laughing
        1. phantom359
          phantom359 12 June 2013 17: 14
          50
          Quote: fokino1980
          Well, carry out counter propaganda !!! wink Prove that this is not so ??? laughing

          I read it - I could not stand it. To prove is not a question, come to Chernivtsi, Lutsk, Lviv. Behave humanly, do not bull and everything will be in order. For example, I am in a red T-shirt, with the emblem of the USSR calmly walking around - and nothing is normal. To the question that this state is no longer there, I answer. what is better. than carrying an American mattress or a British footcloth on your chest.
          1. Alexei
            Alexei 12 June 2013 17: 42
            26
            Quote: phantom359
            To prove is not a question, come to Chernivtsi, Lutsk, Lviv.

            Brzezinski is an honorary citizen of the city of Lviv, and this says something. I really want to believe that the fashion (you can’t call it otherwise) for Russophobes and Nazis with nationalists (who are obsessed with it) will pass soon. It will slow down, so to speak.
            1. Civil
              Civil 12 June 2013 19: 02
              17
              There are enough problems, and even the problems of Ukraine, in general
              1. phantom359
                phantom359 13 June 2013 00: 53
                10
                Quote: Civil
                There are enough problems, and even the problems of Ukraine, in general

                Yes, the whole point is that we are tied very tightly and will not go sideways, it will hook on anyone.
                1. IvanNavi
                  IvanNavi 19 June 2013 12: 57
                  0
                  I agree that it will "hook", but on equal and mutually beneficial terms, and not on the terms of "senior ..."
              2. IvanNavi
                IvanNavi 19 June 2013 12: 55
                0
                It's nice to listen to smart speech ...
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            3. Skarte
              Skarte 12 June 2013 22: 21
              +1
              Local power does not mean the whole people ... People live their own lives, they live their own ... They did not hold a referendum on granting "citizenship" to Brzezinski ... And so, everywhere there are enough of their own nationalists ...
              1. IvanNavi
                IvanNavi 19 June 2013 13: 00
                0
                I agree. It is quite objective ...
            4. self-propelled
              self-propelled 12 June 2013 23: 53
              +1
              Quote: Alexej
              Brzezinski is an honorary citizen of the city of Lviv, and this says something.

              yes he does. says that the authorities are sitting short-sighted ID..IOTS! people have to do with?
            5. phantom359
              phantom359 13 June 2013 00: 51
              +1
              Quote: Alexej
              Quote: phantom359
              To prove is not a question, come to Chernivtsi, Lutsk, Lviv.

              Brzezinski is an honorary citizen of the city of Lviv, and this says something. I really want to believe that the fashion (you can’t call it otherwise) for Russophobes and Nazis with nationalists (who are obsessed with it) will pass soon. It will slow down, so to speak.

              Unfortunately, they do not disappear, they are selected by freedom, in which freedom does not smell. But there are also enough sensible people who have not worn pink glasses for a long time.
          2. Vovka levka
            Vovka levka 12 June 2013 17: 44
            -13 qualifying.
            Quote: phantom359

            I read it - I could not stand it. To prove is not a question, come to Chernivtsi, Lutsk, Lviv. Behave humanly, do not bull and everything will be in order. For example, I am in a red T-shirt, with the emblem of the USSR calmly walking around - and nothing is normal. To the question that this state is no longer there, I answer. what is better. than carrying an American mattress or a British footcloth on your chest.

            Be a MAN and you will have no problems in Ukraine, and to a light bulb what language you spoke.
            First, before writing something about a country and its people, travel around this country and live there a little.
            1. Alexei
              Alexei 12 June 2013 17: 57
              +8
              Quote: Vovka Levka
              First, before writing something about a country and its people, travel around this country and live there a little.

              Yes. Judging by your rating, it's safe to say, "This guy was everywhere!" winked
              1. Vovka levka
                Vovka levka 12 June 2013 18: 10
                10
                Quote: Alexej

                Yes. Judging by your rating, it's safe to say, "This guy was everywhere!" winked

                I am not a politician and I do not need a rating.
                At one time, the world rode at public expense.
                And they taught me to think, not shout "Hurray" and clap my hands. And therefore, hello, and there is an opportunity to read this site and comments. And he would have been a "Hurray-patriot", he would have rotted in the ground long ago.
                And the fact that they write all the bullshit on the site and in the comments is a fact. It seems that Russia does not need sensible people. All according to Peter I:
                The view of the subordinate should be dashing and a little silly, so that his thoughts would not embarrass the authorities.
                1. CTEPX
                  CTEPX 12 June 2013 19: 22
                  +5
                  Quote: Vovka Levka
                  And the fact that they write all the bullshit on the site and in the comments is a fact.

                  Yes, it is clear to everyone that you need to be together)).
                  Can today's Ukraine initiate the unification? The question is rhetorical ...
                  1. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 12 June 2013 22: 24
                    +1
                    Quote: ctepx
                    Can today's Ukraine initiate the unification?
                    Can. Only two conditions:
                    - the capital in Kiev (not necessary, you can in Lviv),
                    - the state language is Ukrainian ...

                    laughing
                    1. IvanNavi
                      IvanNavi 19 June 2013 14: 48
                      0
                      It’s not strange, but you’re right. In Germany, the official language is German, in Ukraine - Ukrainian, in Russia (the honor is) - Russian. And at the expense of the capital - look at what territories belonged to Ukraine during the time of Askold, Dir and Oleg ...
                  2. IvanNavi
                    IvanNavi 19 June 2013 13: 24
                    0
                    Why unite? Against who? What's the trick? 359 years have passed since the reunification of Ukraine with Russia (more than 700 generations have passed). What good has Ukraine got during this time? Everyone is so accustomed to urging and lecturing Ukraine that they do not admit the thought that Ukraine has turned its back on its "older brother" and wants to live freely and in the way it thinks would be better for Ukraine, and not for Russia ...
                2. Alexei
                  Alexei 12 June 2013 19: 37
                  +6
                  Quote: Vovka Levka
                  And they taught me to think, not shout "Hurray" and clap my hands.

                  Who taught?
                  Quote: Vovka Levka
                  And he would have been a "Hurray-patriot", he would have rotted in the ground long ago.

                  Whoever you are, you still have to rot.
                  Quote: Vovka Levka
                  And the fact that they write all the bullshit on the site and in the comments is a fact.

                  And along the way, you love to read every Tuwta, and then comment, opening your eyes to silly readers that they are being torn off like sticky, and they rejoice at the fools. Oh well. winked
                3. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 12 June 2013 22: 22
                  +3
                  Quote: Vovka Levka
                  All according to Peter I:

                  And why exactly this quote, and not another? "The boyars in the Duma speak according to the unwritten, so that everyone's fool is visible." It is a pity that now they do not use it, the current politicians cannot connect two words without a cheat sheet
                  1. IvanNavi
                    IvanNavi 19 June 2013 15: 05
                    0
                    Bravo. Indeed, the reverence, and servility, and nonsense in the government are all relevant and now since the time of Per I ...
                4. Ivan Pavlov
                  Ivan Pavlov 13 June 2013 08: 33
                  10
                  I have never been to Ukraine, but I think there are no less whims in Russia than in politics and among ordinary Russians. after all, they can’t remove Chubais from power, and Kvachkov was put in prison and no one spoke in defense
                5. I am a Russian
                  I am a Russian 11 July 2013 19: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Vovka Levka
                  At one time, the world rode at public expense.


                  in your time skated at the state expense of urapatriati

                  Quote: Vovka Levka
                  And they taught me to think, not shout "Hurray" and clap my hands.


                  They think with their heads since childhood. In childhood, did not learn to think?

                  Quote: Vovka Levka
                  And so hello


                  ... well, they taught you to keep the language and on this "hello"

                  Quote: Vovka Levka
                  And the fact that they write all the bullshit on the site and in the comments is a fact.

                  So save the site from yourself and your coms, but take your own kind with yourself.
                  Don’t make a *** ***
              2. self-propelled
                self-propelled 12 June 2013 23: 57
                +2
                Quote: Alexej
                Yes. Judging by your rating, it's safe to say, "This guy was everywhere!"

                it can also be said that judging by your epaulets, you only praise Russia, trashing everyone else
                1. IvanNavi
                  IvanNavi 19 June 2013 15: 07
                  0
                  self-propelled - bravo ...
              3. IvanNavi
                IvanNavi 19 June 2013 13: 12
                0
                A high rating is not a merit, but an ordinary "approval" and nothing more. The one who expresses his point of view, not "United Russia". Vovka Levka has his own opinion, different from the crowd ...
            2. rexby63
              rexby63 12 June 2013 20: 10
              +7
              I agree. My mother-in-law and father-in-law live in the Cherkasy region, there are relatives near Kiev, so when I take the little one to my grandmother, I pass through almost all of central Ukraine. I have not seen a single Nazi in all 24 years. In Shpol (the wife's homeland), they say one appeared in the early XNUMXs, but quickly disappeared. Apparently, he was afraid of loneliness. Ukrainians today are probably more indifferent to us Russians than a quarter of a century ago. It is significant that if then, a long time ago, I asked a question in Russian, they answered me in Russian, but now, more often they answer in Ukrainian. But I have never heard any "bulls" like "not rosumiyu", as well as epithets like "damned b". Always level and respectful. So the article is a minus for humiliating and ostentatious pity for the people, who, apart from respect, deserve nothing.
              1. Alexred
                Alexred 12 June 2013 22: 43
                +5
                Significant If then, a long time ago, I asked a question in Russian, they answered me in Russian, but now, more often they answer in Ukrainian. But no "bulls" like "no rosumia", I have never heard
                1. rexby63
                  rexby63 16 June 2013 18: 43
                  -1
                  Recently, we were in the subsidiary farm of the local madhouse (Nikolskoye settlement), whether they drilled a well there for water. I, due to ignorance of the local specifics, asked some everyday question to the aborigine, to which he answered me: "gee-gee", and spit. If we adhere to the logic of Marat Basharov, then I, too, in response had to blow bubbles and play a lot.
            3. Misantrop
              Misantrop 12 June 2013 22: 20
              +5
              Quote: Vovka Levka
              and live a little there.
              20 years is enough or not enough? what
              1. IvanNavi
                IvanNavi 19 June 2013 16: 46
                0
                It all depends on intelligence ...
            4. self-propelled
              self-propelled 12 June 2013 23: 55
              0
              Quote: Vovka Levka
              Be a MAN and you will have no problems in Ukraine, and to a light bulb what language you spoke.
              First, before writing something about a country and its people, travel around this country and live there a little.

              HERE SEE THE MINUS PICKED THE SEA. And REALLY, WHO WAS FROM YOU IN UKRAINE?
              1. ATATA
                ATATA 13 June 2013 00: 22
                10
                Quote: self-propelled
                HERE SEE THE MINUS PICKED THE SEA. And REALLY, WHO WAS FROM YOU IN UKRAINE?

                I have not been to Ukraine, I have been to Ukraine.
                That Ukraine is in the ass now, it’s obvious, but we can say that it sits on the ass.
                Respect the rules of the Russian language on the Russian forum.
                You can cripple your tongue at your own will, as you wish, but here it is not necessary.
                On the windshield of the bus there is an inscription "To Moscow", and back "To Tula".
                This is Russian language.
                1. self-propelled
                  self-propelled 13 June 2013 07: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: ATATA
                  Respect the rules of the Russian language on the Russian forum.
                  You can cripple your tongue at your own will, but you don’t have to

                  Well, if they can’t figure it out in Russia (V. S. Chernomyrdin was Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Russian Federation в Ukraine, and M. Yu. Zurabov was appointed Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Russian Federation on Ukraine), then where am I already sinful ...
                  By the way, the Embassy of the Russian Federation in Ukraine, and not in Ukraine request
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 13 June 2013 07: 48
                    +4
                    Quote: self-propelled
                    well, if they can’t figure it out in Russia (V. S. Chernomyrdin was Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Russian Federation to Ukraine, and M. Yu. Zurabov was appointed Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Russian Federation to Ukraine), then where am I sinful .. .
                    By the way, the Embassy of the Russian Federation in Ukraine, and not in Ukraine

                    Yes, there is a problem, my Ukrainian wife, all the time, says, Missing you (although I stand next to her and there is definitely NO ONE FOR ME) I already explained that it is FOR YOU correctly. (Missing you) .- Does not help.
                    It’s time to take measures, I’ll not help fat - it will remain without halushki wassat
                    1. ded10041948
                      ded10041948 11 July 2013 20: 32
                      0
                      What kind of medieval torture? Especially in relation to a woman!
                  2. IvanNavi
                    IvanNavi 19 June 2013 16: 54
                    0
                    Five plus ...
                    The Russian language is so multifaceted ... that not all Russians have mastered it (some Okayut, others Akayut) ...
                2. vilenich
                  vilenich 13 June 2013 07: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: ATATA
                  On the windshield of the bus the inscription "To Moscow", and back "To Tula"

                  Strangely enough, you recommend studying the Russian language, according to the inscriptions on the windshield of buses, well at least not from the inscriptions on the fence!
                  And what if they wrote "To Moscow" and "to Tula", would it be wrong? What rule of the Russian language determines the use of the prepositions "in" and "on" in such cases, what are the exceptions? Sound pozh., If you know of course!
                  1. ATATA
                    ATATA 13 June 2013 09: 17
                    +1
                    Quote: vilenich
                    What rule of the Russian language determines the use of the prepositions "in" and "on" in such cases, what are the exceptions? Sound pozh., If you know of course!

                    The rules of practical established use: people live in Siberia, people live in Ukraine, went to Madagascar, went to Alaska, go to Japan, go to Cuba.
                    The pretexts B and N apply regardless of whether it is abroad, this or the territory of Russia ..
                    In the case of Ukraine, the rules for applying the pretext are emphasized by the current collaborationist authorities of Ukraine in order to assert their legitimacy.
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 13 June 2013 09: 25
                      -1
                      Quote: ATATA
                      I went to Madagascar, I went to Alaska, I went to Japan, I went to Cuba.

                      Tell about Omniscient, Cuba and Madagascar - these are the official names of the states? No. Your representatives go to republic of cuba and republic of madagascar. However, this is not a matter of principle, and the world will not stop turning from your ignorance.
                      1. Misantrop
                        Misantrop 13 June 2013 10: 44
                        +2
                        Quote: Akim
                        Are Cuba and Madagascar the official names of states? No. Your representatives travel to the Republic of Cuba and the Republic of Madagascar.
                        But this is the subtlety. Are they going to rest there? Or with government affairs? The absolute majority of these local authorities are absolutely equal, they would have to go on excursions and shops, but to warm the belly on the beach. Whether there was one government, a dozen or none at all, it makes no difference to them, if only they would not interfere. AT Most of Ukraine is traveling with the same goals. AND В Let the official delegation go to the Ukrainian Republic tongue
                      2. Akim
                        Akim 13 June 2013 11: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        Most of Ukraine goes to Ukraine with the same goals. And let the official delegation go to the Ukrainian Republic

                        To begin with, there is no such country as the Ukrainian Republic. There is a state with an official name Ukraine. I agree - you can relax or work in Ukraine. But the products are manufactured in Ukraine, the national lottery is held in Ukraine, in Ukraine the currency is hryvnia, etc. etc. The fact that some do not know the rules of the Russian language, including moderators, does not honor them.
                      3. ATATA
                        ATATA 13 June 2013 19: 45
                        -1
                        Quote: Akim
                        But the products are manufactured in Ukraine, the national lottery is held in Ukraine, in Ukraine the currency is hryvnia and

                        That's honest. And sad and funny.
                        Ukraine is trying to prove its worth as a state by replacing prepositions, instead of real cases. In politics and economics, it is on the verge of permanent collapse.
                        Tired of watching, this is your parade of clowns.
                        And sorry for relatives in Ukraine.
                        Although you know there are relatives in Siberia. laughing and in Tula, although in the Urals itself. laughing
                        ps
                        Here I apply it out of "habit" B to Siberia, although there seems to be no republic there. Although it seems in Siberia, the same is produced, not only oil, but also airplanes, for example. By the way, some of the best in the world.
                        Yes, and in Tula, the same republic is not yet, and the industry producing products also exists.
                        A riddle for me unaware.
                        Explain?
                      4. Akim
                        Akim 14 June 2013 06: 20
                        0
                        Quote: ATATA
                        Yes, and in Tula, the same republic is not yet, and the industry producing products also exists.

                        I am not a linguist, but in Donetsk, in Kiev, in Odessa, in Ternopol, there are no separate states either. I do not care. Do you want, with the tenacity of one pack animal, speak in Ukraine, for that is how Medvedev once said in Sochi (correcting the Minister of Culture). Nothing from yours nor from my decision to change.
                3. ATATA
                  ATATA 13 June 2013 19: 36
                  -1
                  Quote: Akim
                  Tell me about the Omniscient

                  Quote: Akim
                  and the world will not stop spinning from your ignorance.

                  So you decide?
                  However, I do not pretend to be omniscient, and a friend in a submarine answered you quite adequately.
                  And I’ll add it again.
                  I have never been to Ukraine and I am not going to, but I will try to get to my relatives in Ukraine in the near future.
                4. Akim
                  Akim 14 June 2013 06: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: ATATA
                  I have never been to Ukraine and I am not going to, but I will try to get to my relatives in Ukraine in the near future.

                  Welcome.
      2. stroporez
        stroporez 13 June 2013 13: 02
        -1
        NOT TOKO was --- born there --- Rivne region. the author went too far, but, for example, about bribes - perhaps even embellished. because it is really screwed up there at every step. and about "okay" ---- for example, in Kiev, in ANY hotel, how did we learn sho we are from Russia --- the conversation immediately went about dollars and the amount grew several times .I emphasize, in ANY hotel, this is a "normal" attitude ..........
        1. IvanNavi
          IvanNavi 19 June 2013 18: 00
          0
          The hotel business is private. As much as I want, as much as I ask. Locals in hotels rarely stop (can not afford). The foreigner has nowhere to go. In Russia, I think something similar.
    3. Kolya
      Kolya 13 June 2013 06: 59
      +5
      First, it is impossible to be "human" in Ukraine. If you don’t steal, don’t give or take bribes, then soon you will die of hunger, like that seven million and evaporated. Secondly: the majority of the population is ready to vote for those who will chop all the "bad" ones with checkers (this is why Freedom is popular, and only because of this). At the same time, people do not realize that they themselves are part of the system, and they themselves do not want to fight, but want "freedom" to come and wave a sword. So if "someone" comes, then to put things in order, everyone will get into the meat grinder. Nobody's hut will remain hidden, everyone will burn.
      Example: my friend lives in Ukraine, works as a doctor. I ask: Do you take bribes? - I take it. - And how can you demand that the government be honest if it’s not honest? - I can’t, they will expel me from work if I ask. - That's why you live like that, you yourself are all messy, and you cannot ask the authorities like sheep, but only vote in the hope of a man with a saber who will come and do everything for you.
      1. Akim
        Akim 13 June 2013 07: 22
        +2
        Quote: Kohl
        First, it is impossible to be "human" in Ukraine. If you do not steal, do not give or take bribes, then soon you will die of hunger,

        Do not lie. I didn’t steal. He didn’t take bribes (nobody gives) and I don’t swell from hunger, but rather the opposite. And doctors are also different. Naturally, they have a small salary (like all state employees). You can thank him - why not. You bite crackers yourself - they won’t take extra money from you.
        1. maxvet
          maxvet 13 June 2013 09: 02
          +1
          In Russia, in principle, the same, although there are everywhere
        2. Ustas
          Ustas 13 June 2013 10: 20
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          You can thank him - why not.

          Then it becomes the norm. You quickly get used to sweets.
          And then weep, where did this dough cult come from, why so many bribes?
          The trouble is not that we are trying to help a person, the trouble is that we are doing this for something, for a service, that is, disinterestedly.
          1. Akim
            Akim 13 June 2013 10: 43
            0
            Quote: Ustas
            Then it becomes the norm. You quickly get used to sweets.

            Of course, there are also cynical people who will not move until you pay them. It's not just a matter of money. No matter how much you pay them, everything will be small (you want a more expensive car, house, etc.) But there are many normal ones. What to do if the state does not have money, and the specialist does not feel motivation, except for the Hypocratic oath. When they gave you a second life, they gave you a second chance - you are obliged to give this person a drink of vodka all his life. and his right to refuse or not. That's when "vodka" is required as an advance payment - it's not a doctor, but a huckster.
            http://fakty.ictv.ua/ru/index/read-news/id/1475182
        3. Misantrop
          Misantrop 13 June 2013 10: 50
          +4
          Quote: Akim
          You bite crackers yourself - they won’t take extra money from you.

          Rather, they won’t notice that you came. Now it’s even worse. If there are no serious ties, then not only will they tear off a lot of money, but they won’t do NIHREN at the same time. Because now they take a bribe not for work, but for the TAKED PLACE, the work needs to be separately stimulated. And the majority squeezed into warm places do not even know how to work, either for nothing or for money. Indeed, professionalism has ceased to be the criteria for appointment to a position for a long time. More precisely, this mechanism was launched by Yushchenko and Tymoshenko, who began to appoint their proteges to all key posts, based on party affiliation. Now regionals are changing them to their own. But only professionals are neither one nor the other ... request
  2. Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 12 June 2013 18: 38
    26
    There is Dzhokhar Dudaev street in Lviv, if I'm not mistaken? Very, very human in relation to the "brotherly people". Or are we your brothers only when it comes time to talk about gas prices?
    1. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 12 June 2013 19: 07
      -25 qualifying.
      Quote: Rattenfanger
      There is Dzhokhar Dudaev street in Lviv, if I'm not mistaken? Very, very human in relation to the "brotherly people". Or are we your brothers only when it comes time to talk about gas prices?

      Honestly, I don’t know how this issue is absolutely not interesting. Is there such a street, or is it not? And there is absolutely no desire to find out, and I think that almost all of Ukraine has the same thoughts. This is all fiction, chimera and illusion.
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      2. Corsair
        Corsair 12 June 2013 21: 27
        +9
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        This is all fiction, chimera and illusion.

        But from somewhere this FATA MORGANA appeared, it is not the townsfolk who rename the streets, but people who hold power. These are the AUTHORITIES who create both the internal turmoil and the unseemly external surroundings of Ukraine ...
        So it’s not worth seeing in all the enemies of Ukraine, the true enemy lies inside the country and his name is ANTINAROD AUTHORITY.
      3. Simon
        Simon 12 June 2013 21: 49
        +2
        You probably have all the bandits become heroes. laughing
      4. Aucraig
        Aucraig 12 June 2013 22: 40
        19
        Presumably, the Ukrainian garnish of cotton in Georgia, in 2008, is also a fiction, a chimera and an illusion?
        1. Klava
          Klava 13 June 2013 00: 25
          +4
          A very sensible remark. And Lunev correctly writes that you need to look in the mirror. It's like Tolstoy's Walking in Torment, one colonel had all the mirrors turned to the wall. He explained that when they come with a search, they are immediately beaten with rifle butts. For "the hegemon cannot bear his face."
      5. Ustas
        Ustas 13 June 2013 10: 25
        0
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        Honestly, I don’t know how this issue is absolutely not interesting. Is there such a street, or is it not?

        The most convenient thing is to take the ostrich's pose when they ask uncomfortable questions.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 12 June 2013 22: 11
      +4
      Quote: Rattenfanger
      There is Dzhokhar Dudaev street in Lviv, if I'm not mistaken? Very, very human in relation to the "brotherly people". Or are we your brothers only when it comes time to talk about gas prices?
      1. CaptainBlack
        CaptainBlack 13 June 2013 03: 11
        +4
        Sooner or later this mess will end! Russia will not allow Ukraine to join the EU! And Ukraine understands this, it has only one choice. And the alliance needs it only as a market. So, do not worry - Russia and Ukraine will soon be as before at once! The rotting west has already outlived itself ... Whatever the case, the Slovenian brothers will always find a common language and will help each other in any situation !!!!
    3. roial
      roial 12 June 2013 23: 56
      -6
      Dear you, a whole gangster republic is available, and you are blaming some street.
    4. IvanNavi
      IvanNavi 19 June 2013 18: 16
      0
      Rattenfanger - you are not my brother. And you cut three skins for gas. The question is - do you get at least a penny from the gas sold? Or are you happy for Gazprom?
      You are wrong about Jahar. He knew him personally, served together, flew in the same crew on the Tu22m3. Man and man he is normal. And the fact that he fought for the independence of his people and you were on opposite sides of the barricades? ...
      Tell me why are you against the independence of Chechnya? Russia is already full of uninhabited territories ...
  3. Simon
    Simon 12 June 2013 21: 43
    +9
    Yes, Ukraine is a very democratic country. In the morning you can walk in a T-shirt with the emblem of the USSR, and in the evening in the form of a Ukrainian nationalist. hi
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  5. Skarte
    Skarte 12 June 2013 22: 21
    +3
    I went to a conference in Vinnitsa, I liked it very much, very beautifully, calmly spoke in Russian ... True, some young people don’t know, but they are few ... Everything in their affairs and no difference in Russian or not ... Communicated with representatives from the city of Lviv , they called me to come to them, to see the city, but there was not enough time, so I don’t know how there)
    1. Luna
      Luna 12 June 2013 22: 49
      +6
      It’s normal there, as it is normal in Turkey or Egypt in tourist areas. As they say - war is war, and lunch is scheduled, that is, a tourist is sacred !!!
      If they start to bull, then the Russians will not go, and you can safely go to work with someone in Europe, someone in Russia. Natsik in this regard is very aware, so they know where and when to zig. For the same reason, those lower and seemingly not Natsiks may not be able to see you, but they will never give you a look.
  6. ed65b
    ed65b 13 June 2013 09: 55
    -1
    I also had no problems in the west of Ukraine. Mostly I am in Rivne and the okrug. It does not matter. everyone speaks Russian, fundamentally no one Ukrainian sticks out. Unlike cf. asia.
  7. denort
    denort 13 June 2013 14: 23
    +1
    After the events of May 9 - the disruption in Victory Day celebration in Lviv - I would be afraid for my health, walking around in such a T-shirt :)
  8. Polytechnic
    Polytechnic 13 June 2013 19: 00
    0
    And I just walked along the street and two Natsik attacked me, they filled my face and took off my shirt, kind people)))
  • antispam
    antispam 13 June 2013 02: 03
    -1
    Yes, there are no Nazis in Ukraine.
    Yes, shkolota completely defecates on the Internet, but it is the same in Russia and in many other countries. The reality is about the same as in Russia. It seems that there are Nazis somewhere, and interested people are constantly talking about them, and it seems that even someone somewhere saw them somewhere outside of football stadiums, but running into such a chance is one in a million. Get under KAMAZ and then the probability is higher.
  • IvanNavi
    IvanNavi 19 June 2013 12: 52
    0
    Why agitate? Ukraine without the Russian Federation is much better. Nobody wants to go to your vehicle, ask for it yourself ...
  • Yura
    Yura 12 June 2013 16: 24
    13
    Quote: White
    Stop writing that western Ukraine is a hotbed of Nazis and such crap, propaganda washed your brain like that

    Quote: fokino1980
    Well, carry out counter propaganda !!!

    Quote: fokino1980
    Prove that this is not so ???

    And really prove it. And you know, many of us would only be happy about this.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 12 June 2013 16: 49
      28
      Quote: Jura
      And really prove it.

      Sorry to interfere. Unfortunately, the infection spreads very quickly. I will give an excerpt from the message of A. Vajra
      Nazi is a DIAGNOSIS. A form of human rabies. Therefore, the Nazi facing you is not an occasion for discussion and litigation, but an occasion to distort the shutter of the machine. It’s not me who says it, history confirms it. And tens of millions of dead people.

      Adolf Hitler was tried and imprisoned. And it was only necessary to distort the automatic shutter in time.

      Ukrainian neo-Nazis from the Patriot of Ukraine organization were tried in Kiev and Kharkov. Clear. Pronounced. Speakers openly what they think. Not as muddy as the Svobodovites. And at least one central TV channel reported this? Talked about their plans for the future? The fact that they are already here, next to us collectively fall into the insanity of their ideas and prepare weapons?
      Andrew Vajra
      http://andreyvadjra.livejournal.com/306637.html
      xxxxx
      Pay attention to the cities. This is not Western Ukraine. And ZU is not only Lviv and Galicia. There are a lot of decent and responsive people there. It's just that among these "loud, bandit-looking" they are not visible. And to be honest, it's dumb to defend a different point of view there. After all, the "manners and methods" of the Bandera members have not yet disappeared from memory.
      1. Apostle
        Apostle 12 June 2013 17: 03
        10
        "Adolf Hitler was tried and imprisoned ..." I dare to recall that Adolf himself jerked the shutter ...
        "Pay attention to the cities. This is not Western Ukraine. " and now pay attention that they were judged in Kiev and Kharkov, and not in Lviv in Galicia, not in the West, they were not judged there as you said ".. where there are a lot of decent and sympathetic people ...", and where not all survived out of mind !!!
        1. Millibyte
          Millibyte 12 June 2013 18: 14
          -20 qualifying.
          For all the ignorant, Adik Schicklsgruber calmly lived to an old age in Latin America.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 12 June 2013 18: 39
            +7
            Quote: Millibyte
            For all the ignorant, Adik Schicklsgruber calmly lived to an old age in Latin America.


            Druzhban your see, since you are so familiar, adiyik to this villain.
            1. Aucraig
              Aucraig 12 June 2013 22: 43
              0
              Not. Not a friend. Otherwise, the surname of a friend would be correctly written. And so - just a henchman ...
          2. Rattenfanger
            Rattenfanger 12 June 2013 18: 51
            +9
            Quote: Millibyte
            For all the ignorant, Adik Schicklsgruber calmly lived to an old age in Latin America.

            I believed. fellow And the fact that Elvis is alive, too. wassat
          3. biglow
            biglow 12 June 2013 19: 24
            0
            For all the ignorant, Adik Schicklsgruber calmly lived to an old age in Latin America.
            evidence in the studio
          4. zennon
            zennon 12 June 2013 20: 05
            18
            Quote: Millibyte
            For all the ignorant, Adik Schicklsgruber calmly lived to an old age in Latin America.

            This is for you, one who knows! Firstly, not Schicklsgruber, but Schicklgruber (German: Schicklgruber). Secondly, Maria Anna Schiklgruber gave birth to her son Alois out of wedlock. But 5 years later she married Johann Hidler. In 1876, three witnesses certified that Hidler, who died in 1857, was Alois’s father, and he completely officially changed his surname. At the same time, according to the priest’s slip, the surname began to sound like Hitler. Alois married Clara Pölzl in 1885; Adolf was born in 1889 year and rightly bore the name Hitler. In Russian, pronounced Hitler. Surname Shiklgruber Adolf never wore. Before you teach people try to learn yourself!
            1. German
              German 12 June 2013 21: 57
              +6
              I wanted to write a similar answer myself, but you got ahead of me. There are a lot of those here who "heard the ringing but does not know where it is" You are big + !!!
              1. zennon
                zennon 12 June 2013 22: 09
                0
                German
                Thank you! With all due respect! hi drinks
          5. ded10041948
            ded10041948 11 July 2013 20: 54
            0
            Drink less and have a bite! And do not smoke any nasty things!
        2. Rattenfanger
          Rattenfanger 12 June 2013 18: 42
          +3
          Quote: Apostle
          "Adolf Hitler was tried and imprisoned ..." I dare to remind you that Adolf himself pulled the bolt ...

          After the beer coup, Adolf Aloizievich, humming an analogue of "Vladimir Central" in German, sat on a bunk for 9 months. It is symbolic that in 9 months he gave birth to the ubo_zhische "My Struggle" in his head.
      2. Yura
        Yura 12 June 2013 18: 55
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        Sorry to interfere.

        Elena (Egoza), apologies are unnecessary, I am always glad to know your opinion and I am happy to read your posts. And this one: "I will give an excerpt from the message of A. Vajra
        Nazi is a DIAGNOSIS. A form of human rabies. Therefore, the Nazi facing you is not an occasion for discussion and litigation, but an occasion to distort the shutter of the machine. It’s not me who says it, history confirms it. And tens of millions of dead people.

        Adolf Hitler was tried and imprisoned. And it was only necessary to distort the shutter of the machine gun in time. "- said strongly and correctly.
        1. nmd_1
          nmd_1 13 June 2013 11: 01
          -2
          It is said strongly, but incorrectly. There was already a post above, learn history, otherwise I’d like to ask straight, how much was given to him? Even retyping other people's statements, do not forget to turn on your head, I apologize if I offended.
    2. White
      White 12 June 2013 17: 08
      14
      If you yourself had traveled to Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Uzhgorod to Bukovel, for example, you yourself were convinced of this. These are all tourist cities and western Ukraine itself lives in the majority with tourism, therefore there they treat everyone well, tourism is obligatory. The proximity to Europe affects the mentality of the people there are very cultural and tolerant.

      You want to know that I would prove that there are no nationalists in Ukraine. Well, I don’t like that, of course, they are everywhere in any state (in France, they are against emigrants, but in Russia itself there will be many Caucasians non-dependents). In our country, nationalists hiccup in the direction of Russia. But I think you will agree that there are certain historical reasons for this.

      Why am I writing that this is not so, because it is not the opinion of the people, a rush of soul, so to speak, and everyone is in charge of politicians who are very well profitable to divide Ukraine, so they are lighting the flame more and more with all their might. You probably don’t taste it, but most of the rallies and protests in Ukraine have been paid, people go there like to work, even fights are arranged specially to bring athletes to attend to grandmas and everything went away, and the magazine is right there. The only real problem is the OUN-UPA, again, if both parties were interested in this issue it is possible to make amends for which I really hope, because May 9 in Lviv is just awful.
      And do not judge by VO “Freedom”, for example, I live in the Kiev region and a lot of people voted for them, but for one simple reason, all the other parties got it so that only someone new appeared in parliament (although the result now is extremely low unambiguous)
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 12 June 2013 17: 53
        +9
        Quote: White
        In our country, nationalists hiccup in the direction of Russia. But I think you will agree that there are certain historical reasons for this.

        The reasons can be invented as neighbors on the porch do it, and cheat, cheat ... It’s very bad that we are neighbors and not family. And you vote, fight, and then vote again, well, and then fight again. Only one thing, your politicians are dumb, and no one will give just how not to bend, and even more so will not give civilized Europe, because they are from that civilized, which is mainly taken away, not given.
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 12 June 2013 19: 28
          +3
          Quote: Alexej
          Only one thing, your politicians dumb

          No, Putin is not in Ukraine)). Still - there was no Stalin. Petra. Grozny)).
      2. Yura
        Yura 12 June 2013 18: 41
        +6
        Quote: White
        Why am i writing

        Well, here is the comment of a sober person, rooting for his country, offended by the words in his opinion biased. Andrei, write such comments with news of which we do not know about you, we will read, think, comprehend, and compare. You are a plus.
      3. Rattenfanger
        Rattenfanger 12 June 2013 18: 44
        -1
        Quote: White
        Proximity to Europe affects the mentality of people there are very cultural and tolerant

        You now residents of Western Ukraine g_e_ya_m_i and covertly called? laughing
      4. zardoz
        zardoz 12 June 2013 20: 57
        +5
        Quote: White
        The proximity to Europe affects the mentality of the people there are very cultural and tolerant.

        Generally I do not agree. In cities, there may be a semblance of tolerance, but in the district there is nothing. I had to communicate with the guys from near Lutsk in 2005. The hit ones were all in terms of a negative attitude towards Russia and the Russians. But there still maybe their brain could have been powdered after an orange bacchanalia. But the moment is fresher. My friend from the Urals traveled in a group to Western Ukraine on an excursion. Nobody understood their group in Ukrainian. We went to a gift shop in Lviv and wanted to buy something as a keepsake. The girl communicated with them only in Ukrainian. She was asked to speak Russian or English. She refused saying: why do I need this? I live in Ukraine. And further in Ukrainian ... Well, the guys turned around and went looking for another store.
        1. Algor73
          Algor73 12 June 2013 21: 49
          -4
          It’s interesting, but if in Russia, Poland or Germany, it doesn’t matter in the store, one of the buyers will speak Ukrainian, will the seller reciprocate? No need to focus on the little things.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 12 June 2013 22: 34
            +2
            Quote: Algor73
            No need to focus on the little things.

            Life rarely throws up major events. Most often, life is a series of little things. And it is they who form the attitude. My son was in the training detachment of VV near Lviv. They were often driven to the shooting range. And due to the fact that there was not enough gasoline (officially), we drove on foot, 25 km one way. As a result, bilateral pneumonia, barely pulled out. It would seem - a trifle, but almost cost a life
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 13 June 2013 05: 11
              0
              Quote: Misantrop
              due to the fact that gasoline (officially) was not enough

              Quote: Misantrop
              25 km one way. The result is bilateral pneumonia.

              Inflammation of the lungs not because of a lack of gasoline, but because the commander is a dolby, cannot organize a march-throw as it should)).
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 13 June 2013 10: 53
                0
                Quote: ctepx
                commander - dolbuy, can not organize a march-throw as expected)).

                Judging by the stories, this was not a march at all. Just moving from place to place in the absence of transport. Therefore, it was not organized in any way. It is also surprising that at the same time they managed not to lose weapons
          2. zardoz
            zardoz 12 June 2013 23: 33
            +1
            In Germany, they speak English fairly well. In Poland, like identity. And about Russia there they understand the language of interethnic communication of the CIS and speak it :)
          3. Akim
            Akim 13 June 2013 00: 44
            -2
            Quote: Algor73
            It’s interesting, but if in Russia, Poland or Germany, it doesn’t matter in the store, one of the buyers will speak Ukrainian, will the seller reciprocate?

            I was in Poland. I did not come across people from the service sector who understood Ukrainian. I had to switch to English. Although many write that they didn’t bother with this and spoke Ukrainian with sellers. The Poles understood. People are different.
        2. bbp
          bbp 13 June 2013 02: 19
          +3
          Go to Odessa and calmly communicate in Russian. There, even the hryvnia is called rubles.
          1. zardoz
            zardoz 13 June 2013 13: 06
            0
            In Lugansk, too, hryvnias are often called rubles
      5. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 12 June 2013 21: 15
        +5
        Dear WHITE ... in Transcarpathia there has never been "Western Nazism" ... I remember the code in 1991, our Lviv citizens decided to drive 10 Ikarus from agitation1 across the Transcarpathian, they only reached the first city from the Iv. Frankivsk ... at the very first meeting, the Hutsuls took a pitchfork and turned these nationalists back ... But in LVO, Yves. Frankivsk, Ternopil, this barefoot, led by the Uniate priests, drew themselves on Russophobia in full. It is not correct to hide behind tourism! For the sake of money, they will kiss anyone ... but after receiving pennies, they will slaughter, yak pig for Christmas!
      6. piotr534
        piotr534 12 June 2013 22: 32
        +5
        If you yourself had traveled to Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Uzhgorod to Bukovel, for example, you yourself were convinced of this. These are all tourist cities and western Ukraine itself lives in the majority with tourism, therefore there they treat everyone well, tourism is obligatory. The proximity to Europe affects the mentality of the people there are very cultural and tolerant.
        There were conversations. And just do not bring Uzhgorod and Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk into one heap, Transcarpathians and zapadents are different peoples and the mentality is different. Rusins ​​call us Russians and zapadents exclusively maskals, adding the maximum percentage of hatred.
        In our country, nationalists hiccup in the direction of Russia. But I think you will agree that there are certain historical reasons for this.
        S. u.c.a.
        Why am I writing that this is not so, because it is not the opinion of the people, a rush of soul, so to speak, and everyone is in charge of politicians who are very well profitable to divide Ukraine, so they are lighting the flame more and more with all their might.
        Do you go out on the street? We do not need Ukraine to divide it for a long time. You have divided it yourself. In language and mentality. Or say that the layman in Dragobic, Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and Kiev, Cherkasy thinks the same? Not to mention Dnepropetrovsk.
        And do not judge by VO “Freedom”, for example, I live in the Kiev region and a lot of people voted for them, but for one simple reason, all the other parties got it so that only someone new appeared in parliament (although the result now is extremely low unambiguous)
        Yes, the result resembles Fascism at its inception.
    3. roial
      roial 12 June 2013 18: 40
      -5
      Nazis in Russia



      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 12 June 2013 19: 32
        +2
        Quote: roial
        Nazis in Russia

        And I must say, cheap guys cost the Anglo-Saxons ... Travanuli couples, when it was still possible to save the Union)).
      2. in reserve
        in reserve 12 June 2013 22: 31
        +4
        The Nazis in Ukraine. And Russia is written with a capital letter.

        1. roial
          roial 12 June 2013 23: 47
          -11 qualifying.
          Quote: in stock
          The Nazis in Ukraine. And Russia is written with a capital letter.


          Seriously?? Dear fascists, pederasts and democrats, you are more than the population of Ukraine and who are you after that ???
    4. grafrozow
      grafrozow 12 June 2013 21: 15
      -12 qualifying.
      Do you know what Western Ukraine survived? How did Kovpak put things in order? In the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous District there is a village Yunost Komsomolskaya, and those who were evicted from the memory live. They evicted villages and old people and children in 2 hours, what are they to blame for? And they don’t like Russians and komunyak. And lezginka with shooting in Lviv do not dance. Come and see.
      1. in reserve
        in reserve 12 June 2013 22: 34
        +8
        For Russia, one and indivisible.

        1. Stamp
          Stamp 13 June 2013 01: 05
          +7
          This video from Sevastopol de facto confirms that there is a split, just how easy it is to pass with a red flag across Lviv shouting the glory of the USSR, and across Sevastopol with yellow-blue shouting glory to Ukraine. There are many such clashes, with the advent of freedom, the confrontation has only intensified.
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 12 June 2013 22: 43
        +5
        Quote: grafrozow
        Do you know what Western Ukraine experienced? How did Kovpak put things in order?
        And he went there for nothing to do instead of a vacation, as on a safari? There was nothing for him and his subordinates to do? Or was a hotbed of terrorism required to liquidate? As you know, in those days they were evicted if the application of the norms of the current law to this nation threatened with its complete destruction. Then they evicted ...
    5. Simon
      Simon 12 June 2013 21: 51
      +2
      Yes, he has no arguments, nothing to give out.
  • cartridge
    cartridge 12 June 2013 17: 48
    +6
    Interview with S. Glazyev about the prospects of Ukraine 8 minutes

    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 12 June 2013 19: 40
      +1
      Quote: cartridge
      Interview with S. Glazyev

      Mmmm ... Rogozin is missing Glazyev)).
    2. Stamp
      Stamp 13 June 2013 03: 36
      +3
      Sergey Glazyev is a good enough economist; he is connected with Ukraine primarily by the fact that he was born in Zaporozhye. But the topic is good, because they thought that the main investor in the Ukrainian economy is Russia, he immediately got better, including through offshore zones. Ukrainian business, especially large one, oh how much it does not like to pay taxes replenishing the budget, foreign investors take a bad example, given that these are the Ukrainian oligarchs themselves who create shadow schemes. Before, Cyprus was the main investor, now there is a crisis, other schemes will be found.
  • Bezarius
    Bezarius 12 June 2013 18: 53
    +3
    Oh well, as if no one was talking with representatives of the western part of the outskirts.
  • My address
    My address 12 June 2013 19: 50
    +3
    Read carefully. It's not bad to re-read your opuses, otherwise you can put yourself in a certain position when everyone is pointing and laughing. I clearly wrote: "And the West is united Ukraine ...". Where do I blame Western Ukraine ?! So where?!
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 12 June 2013 21: 02
    11
    . QUOTE: "Quiet rustling slate, the roof is going slowly."

    Dear WHITE! ; years of service in STRIA, 5 years of service and 14 years of life in another city of KARPAT - this time was enough to draw a conclusion about the essence of Western Ukrainian anti-civilization ... and no propaganda had anything to do with it, when officers with equipped AKMs served in our closed military town ... the whole point is in your "zapadensky" principle - "... it’s not cold, but I’ll bite it! ..." How many were in the Ukrainian press at the border of the 80-90s. - WHO IS FEEDING WHOM !! And what happened? Russia does not swell with goluduha, but Ukraine ... the same is not ... but a lot of people think about what to feed their families ... There is little work in Z. Ukraine ... many went to study in Kiev and other cities of the center, east and south of the country. After graduation, they settled here ... now they have grown up ... become cool officials ... began to determine the direction of state policy. It feels good! But no! They grew up in families where they worshiped the UNIAT Church ... which means that there are no big enemies of Orthodoxy, Russia, there are only Wahhabis anymore, and even then, hardly ... Here you have Ukrainian Nazism! This was especially evident in the days of the "orange maidan"!
    So it’s not ours, but your roof!
  • nnz226
    nnz226 14 June 2013 16: 12
    0
    Excuse me, but Tyagnibok and the pharyonikha and others like them, the "Svobodovtsy" from the Luhansk region or the Kharkiv region "degenerated" ?! Or, after all, from zapadenschina ?! Again, monuments to all sorts of freaks, such as Bandera and Shukhevych in Crimea, are they putting it ?! And the herds of geeks, tearing off the ribbons of St. George on VICTORY DAY from people going to lay flowers at the graves of the liberation soldiers (by the way, 80% Russian) in the Poltava region, or, again, at the Westerners in Lviv ?? !!! Or the same flocks of moral monsters marching with UPAshist slogans, as well as the slogan of the SS division "Galicia": "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!" stomping in Donetsk ?!
  • IvanNavi
    IvanNavi 19 June 2013 12: 48
    0
    Ukraine does not give them rest. Everyone wants to lead, indicate, dispose ... Do not meddle in the affairs of Ukraine. Ukraine wants nothing from Russia, neither territories, nor "fraternal" help. He pays for everything in full ... Don't touch Ukraine and nothing else ...
  • S_mirnov
    S_mirnov 12 June 2013 16: 36
    +1
    "Colossal bribery at the local level (police, medicine, local authorities, etc.), colossal in the number of bribes, not in size. The neighbor in obscene expressions wonders how they could dirtied people to such an extent" - somehow painfully reminds Russia sad only we have blamed the State Department agents!
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 12 June 2013 19: 44
      +6
      Quote: S_mirnov
      somehow painfully reminds Russia

      Naturally, the Union lost the Cold War)). Only Ukraine has neither Lukashenko nor Putin)).
    2. antispam
      antispam 13 June 2013 02: 17
      -3
      To the point.
      They drank all the water from the tap, we have the State Department =)
      Honestly, as I see some kind of thread, typical comments of the Russian cheer patriot with frankly boorish expressions addressed to the United States immediately recall the Ukrainians. One to one. Well, at least in Russia there are few such woodpeckers. All this from the inferiority complex.
  • Apostle
    Apostle 12 June 2013 16: 53
    +1
    The country of unrealized hopes.
  • Apostle
    Apostle 12 June 2013 16: 55
    +1
    It's okay, soon in "their" country the money tree will be planted and healed like in paradise wink
    1. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 12 June 2013 17: 50
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: Apostle
      It's okay, soon in "their" country the money tree will be planted and healed like in paradise wink

      No need to jerk and be smart. If it were not for oil and gas, Russia would not have been better. And politicians are corrupt, what is yours, what is ours. The main loot, and the rest is on the drum.
      1. Rattenfanger
        Rattenfanger 12 June 2013 18: 46
        +5
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        No need to jerk and be smart. If it were not for oil and gas, Russia would not have been better.


        Yes, yes, yes. And if my grandmother had relapses, she would be a tram.
        1. German
          German 12 June 2013 22: 04
          0
          haha! true, about the grandmother and who would she be if she had ... it sounds a little different! wassat
      2. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 12 June 2013 20: 11
        +1
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        b. If not for oil and gas,

        You are wrong. In addition to oil and gas, there is Rosatom, we have preserved and are developing the military-industrial complex, space, airplanes ... Did you not know? there would be nothing else, and the country too.
      3. grafrozow
        grafrozow 12 June 2013 21: 41
        -1
        You're right. I'm going on vacation across the floor of Russia, from Nadym to Chernigov, so Penza, Tambov, Lipetsk, Volgograd-poverty is unbearable, there is nothing to boast about. Not a single ordinary Russian has money for gas and oil. Millers and Alikperovs are not all of Russia. .As Zadornov said, "the wrong country was called Honduras" There is no need to show off in front of each other.
      4. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 13 June 2013 07: 44
        -2
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        Quote: Apostle
        It's okay, soon in "their" country the money tree will be planted and healed like in paradise wink

        No need to jerk and be smart. If it were not for oil and gas, Russia would not have been better. And politicians are corrupt, what is yours, what is ours. The main loot, and the rest is on the drum.

        Here I agree.
      5. Misantrop
        Misantrop 13 June 2013 11: 02
        +1
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        If not for oil and gas
        Ukraine has magnificent chernozems, electricity, transit lines, coal and uranium. The most powerful scientific potential for the time of decay. And where is all that really helped prosperity? Oil and gas were in the Russian Federation and during the time of Yeltsin. Strongly Russians fattened? The main thing is not the very availability of a claimed resource, but the distribution of income from it
  • Oleg
    Oleg 12 June 2013 17: 46
    -30 qualifying.
    This bullshit [quote = My address] Recently, a Ukrainian neighbor was with his relatives in a small town in central Ukraine. Amazed returned. They live worse than ten years ago, many are saved by their garden. Blamed for everything: Kiev, Western Ukraine, Eastern Ukraine, Russia. They are neutral towards Europe, some expect miracles from there. There is a brewery, pigs were fed with waste, now there is no waste, but beer is produced. This beer is scolded, but drunk. The people are embittered, in the majority they don’t believe anyone and nothing, a significant part supports the nationalists. Colossal bribery at the local level (police, medicine, local authorities, etc.), colossal in the number of bribes, not in size. The neighbor, in obscene terms, wonders how people could so much brain dirt.
    In the absence of parents, during childhood, I was attached to my kind aunt Nate from Nikopol. Then she and her returned to Ukraine. I absolutely do not want things similar to what happened to people in Yugoslavia to happen to my aunt Nata and my good friends in Ukraine. But the united Ukraine in the vassals, especially in the friends of Russia, didn’t he compose or copy-paste this bullshit somewhere?
  • anton107798
    anton107798 12 June 2013 19: 47
    -21 qualifying.
    Again ... One and the same ... If only you would change themes periodically.
    Read ... well, full of ass! How do we poor live then? How terrible it is! They are all gloomy and oppressed; in the West, Bandera, in the Crimea, Russians, in the center, Jews, in the East, it’s not clear who, and above all, nationalists! Horror! Not a country, but an abscess!

    But next to ... Fairy tale! Belgorod, it blooms and smells ... only further there is Kursk and its region ... Villages are dying out, nothing is missing, farms are plundered, and gas is being pulled into a large village (I do not remember the name), and then, the highway past the village ... I saw it personally, went to visit relatives with a friend ... This is power! In a country where everyone puffs out their breasts at the word "GAZ", there is no gas in the village ... And of course we do not live well!
    How smart is it ... what am I writing? DOES NOT ENOUGH THE MIND! that's more correct! There is not enough intelligence to look at ourselves, to write that we are choosing a bad government while not seeing what is sitting in ourselves ... And the KING is sitting! The tsar wanted and the third term went to rule, he wanted to disperse the poor demonstrators ... Stupid laws and a beggarly existence, corruption, decline in production and industry, decline in morality and values ​​... This is all Russia! Against her background, little Georgia looks like paradise! But no, you have to stick your nose in there, and then the soldier's boot. At the same time, a soldier pulls a 30-kilogram radio on his back, and his "enemy" -Georgians has a mobile radio and does not pull heaviness on his back ... This is already the GREAT ARMY of Russia, which does not update anything and does not make it better ...

    Thank God that at least I was smart enough to buy a license for the production of aircraft from beggarly Ukraine.
    To the Kharkov plant "TURBOATOM" Russia has ordered hydroelectric turbines for two of its stations. As a result, the plant received the prepayment ONLY AFTER HALF_ YEAR !!! But the Russians had the audacity to declare that "TURBOATOM" disrupts the delivery time of turbines ... First-rate impudence !!!
    And so in everything ...
    Watch how you live, and do so that you live better, but then say how badly we live!
    1. Rattenfanger
      Rattenfanger 12 June 2013 20: 04
      11
      Typical "Ukr". Of those that the Romans taught to read and write, and the mammoths were allowed to eat fat.
      About Georgia delivered, huh))) Paradise)))))
      zs I sincerely advise you never, NEVER to talk about "the Russians who stuck the nose and boots of a soldier into Gryzuniya" in Sukhumi or Tskhinvali.
      zs zy We were in berets wink
      1. anton107798
        anton107798 12 June 2013 20: 11
        -32 qualifying.
        Quote: Rattenfanger
        in berets



        Oh my God! HAVE YOU HANDS OUT? !! the holiday probably was, you cried and hugged ... but then the war quickly passed and the berets took away from you, thereby wounding your soul until the end of days !!! Oh, what bastards !!
        1. Rattenfanger
          Rattenfanger 12 June 2013 20: 20
          12
          Quote: anton107798
          HAVE YOU HANDS HANDED OUT?

          In the hole !!! Your last name is not Nostradamus, for an hour? Or Wang, for the worst?))) Exactly what they gave out. Because you have to jump in BP (jump boots). But we are a poor country, we have costed our berets. Well, we are not proud ...
          ZY
          Quote: anton107798
          but then the war quickly passed and the berets took away from you

          No, no, no, you, Michel Zhomovich, didn’t understand: I was in the RUSSIAN army. And the berets, along with the materiel and weapons, were taken from the Georgian eagles, thereby injuring Comrade Saak ... oh, what a comrade!
        2. roial
          roial 13 June 2013 00: 00
          -11 qualifying.
          Imagine, they still changed the footcloths))
        3. serezhasoldatow
          serezhasoldatow 13 June 2013 01: 02
          +1
          You also mock the dead ?!
    2. piotr534
      piotr534 12 June 2013 23: 05
      +3
      At the same time, the soldier pulls a 30-kilogram radio on his back, and his "enemy", the Georgians, has a mobile radio and does not pull heaviness on his back ..
      Well, that would be handy to tear the claws! soldier
    3. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 13 June 2013 01: 00
      +3
      I don’t even want to answer hysterical attacks, but I got it! After the Great Patriotic War, Russia rebuilt all the fraternal republics, and itself remained in poverty. Return the spent and we will live better.
  • experienced
    experienced 12 June 2013 20: 05
    +5
    Quote: My address
    Recently, a Ukrainian neighbor was with relatives in a small town in central Ukraine. Amazed returned.

    It seems to me that Ukraine lives in another dimension, there is always some kind of "The show must go on". And everywhere, Maidan, BP, Yanukovych, Femen. Here's from fresh
    In the capital of Ukraine, near the Paton Bridge, during a recording of an interview with divers, a corpse of a man surfaced in front of reporters, the Kyiv Department of State Emergency Management said on Wednesday.

    Well, something like this in almost everything
  • My address
    My address 12 June 2013 21: 51
    +1
    Regarding bribes at the local level - they do not have to be paid with money, they donate for the fulfillment of compulsory, for example, for a certificate. Why did the neighbour's questions answer, that everyone is doing this, that otherwise they will wait a year!
    And now, for information, there were two donors in the Union, these are Ukraine and Russia. Those. together, they fed and armed at least one third of the world for free.
    These are the pies.
    1. zennon
      zennon 12 June 2013 21: 55
      -1
      Quote: My address
      there were two donors in the Union, these are Ukraine and Russia.

      Three. Azerbaijan.
    2. Luna
      Luna 12 June 2013 23: 08
      +1
      NEVER Ukraine was a donor.

      There were two donors - Russia and ... Turkmenistan. wink

      http://ssmirnohttp://kroopkin.livejournal.com/127978.htmlff.livejournal.com/1045
      518.html
  • nycsson
    nycsson 12 June 2013 22: 08
    -1
    Quote: My address
    The neighbor, in obscene terms, wonders how people could so much brain dirt.

    Nothing to be surprised! Everything goes according to plan!
  • morpex
    morpex 12 June 2013 23: 06
    -1
    Quote: My address
    Amazed returned. Living worse

    And let's cry in the waistcoat ... Poor they are very poor ... Maybe hare already listen to these whiners? It's not all that bad, believe me .. Especially when you work and look to the future with optimism. but not looking for the guilty ... There is enough work in Ukraine. And you can get normal money for it. There is just a contingent of people who are used to crying all the time and see only the bad. Yes, it's hard ... And when and where was it easy? Steal, cheat - easy , but it's always hard to make money, and that's why they whine. They got used to living by the principle: ... one works seven people, and share the money for everyone .. "
    Quote: My address
    The site administration regarding this news may have an opinion that is different from the opinion of the authors of the materials.

    Quote: My address
    Ghetto called "UKRAINA"

    Your opinion is "dear administration" one. How to put a big and smelly heap on a country called Ukraine.
  • svp67
    svp67 12 June 2013 15: 34
    10
    At the end of the 80 of the XX century, many Ukrainians dreamed of how they would become rich and happy if they lived in a separate independent state.
    I disagree with many in this article, but we cannot dispute this point. Such sentiments were in Russia at that time, but at the same time, much had been put in its place.
    1. Maks111
      Maks111 12 June 2013 17: 19
      -7
      Such sentiments were in Russia at that time, but at the same time, much had been put in its place.
      For example, the oil and gas industry ?! Yes? After all, think about how Russia would differ from Ukraine if it hadn’t if it had pipes and nuclear weapons? Well, it's so rude.
      1. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 12 June 2013 17: 51
        -6
        Quote: Max111
        Such sentiments were in Russia at that time, but at the same time, much had been put in its place.
        For example, the oil and gas industry ?! Yes? After all, think about how Russia would differ from Ukraine if it hadn’t if it had pipes and nuclear weapons? Well, it's so rude.

        Nothing.
        1. regsSSSR
          regsSSSR 12 June 2013 21: 01
          10
          well, it’s not true, let’s say Belarus is even worse in resources than Ukraine and there’s no oil or gas at all and no resources at all! and yao no! and Chernobyl swept precisely over them !! and somehow spinning somehow lukoshenko! and they live better and more stable, and some Lukoshenko is not reluctant even when he happens to run into Russia in the case! anyway, he stands for the unification of peoples!
      2. heathen
        heathen 12 June 2013 18: 43
        +6
        Well, they’re to blame for the nuclear weapons themselves, no one forced him to pass through so incompetently ...

        And as for the pipe ... On it, the light did not converge in a wedge. There are other methods of stabilization and development ...
        1. SPAAARTAAA
          SPAAARTAAA 12 June 2013 20: 09
          +7
          If yes, if only ... Just like a schoolboy who makes excuses for not doing homework. The Germans also blamed the Russian frost for everything, the French blamed the wrong method of warfare in 1812 (they didn’t give up after the loss of Moscow), and now the Ukrainian Nazis blame Russia for having natural resources! Comparing these two countries is at least incorrect. It was Russia that united and created a powerful empire, the fragments of which are now pounding and blaming the Russians for all their mistakes. If you wanted independence, get it.
    2. CTEPX
      CTEPX 12 June 2013 19: 53
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      Such sentiments were in Russia at that time.

      There were no such moods in Russia
      Quote: svp67
      how they will become rich and happy if they live in a separate independent state.

      There was an annoyance. Type: Well, you bastards - ran like rats? and for our shaneshk also us to nibble? Well...
      1. svp67
        svp67 12 June 2013 20: 02
        +2
        Quote: ctepx
        There were no such moods in Russia

        You are a happy person, phrases like "come in large numbers", "without them we will be better" and "stop feeding the parasites" have not heard ... Apparently we lived in different countries. And I experienced a lot of "pleasure" when at that time I arrived in a Russian village in a car with Ukrainian license plates and just went to the store ...
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 12 June 2013 20: 22
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          when at that time by car with Ukrainian numbers

          Quote: svp67
          In the late 80s of the twentieth century

          Or - these are your fantasies, or I did not visit Ukraine in those days)). It seems to have been)).
          Yes and later
          Quote: svp67
          I experienced a lot of "pleasure" when at that time I arrived in a Russian village by car with Ukrainian license plates

          it looks like you happened to be either too close to Ukraine, or too close to Moscow)).
          1. svp67
            svp67 12 June 2013 20: 48
            -1
            Quote: ctepx
            Or - these are your fantasies, or I did not visit Ukraine in those days)). It seems to have been)).
            Yes and later
            The numbers, of course, were of the all-Union model ... but already at that time they were "Ukrainian"
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 12 June 2013 20: 55
              +4
              Quote: svp67
              The numbers, of course, were of the all-Union model ... but already at that time they were "Ukrainian"

              Honestly, I did not meet in those days a person who meets another "by numbers")), especially Ukrainian)).
              Well, in Siberia, always - "not like people")).
              1. Skarte
                Skarte 12 June 2013 22: 58
                0
                Again, I repeat, I had a similar war for the truth with the citizens of Azerbaijan in one of the articles ... So I was accused of lying. And why was they accused, but because I was faced with this, but they did not, and following their logic, this could not be at all ... So you now, dear Oleg (STERKH), are trying to say that this did not happen with respected Sergei ( svp67) based only on the fact that you did not have the "joy" of watching for yourself ...
              2. svp67
                svp67 12 June 2013 22: 59
                +1
                Quote: ctepx
                Well, in Siberia, always - "not like people")).
                Not only with you. In the Far East, back in the 20 years, not everyone knew that there was no king ... belay
  • ars_pro
    ars_pro 12 June 2013 15: 36
    17
    Yes, in general, a sad situation has developed on once free lands and proud people who know what freedom is, but now, alas, there is no such thing, the loop is getting tighter and tighter on the neck, there is no power (power just runs away like the last cowards, if something happens) but a simple ordinary a person who simply lives and works for the good of not the country but simply for the sake of survival.
    1. Very old
      Very old 12 June 2013 16: 02
      +8
      But I wasn’t in the homeland of Gor’s father. Pologi. In 1945, he saw .. and could not live in this city. There was nothing alive. Of the whole surname, he is alone alive. And where are you looking? Who will build life for you
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 12 June 2013 15: 37
    12
    Ah brothers Ukrainians .. In Russia, too, life is not sugar .. and yet ..
    1. Gato
      Gato 12 June 2013 15: 59
      +6
      Is it like a joke?
      "- Rabinovich, your wife - b ...
      - And yours?
      - but still!"
    2. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 12 June 2013 17: 53
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Ah brothers Ukrainians .. In Russia, too, life is not sugar .. and yet ..

      We have sugar to fig, nowhere to go. Buy, it will be sweet to you and we will have more fun.
      1. svp67
        svp67 12 June 2013 18: 37
        +4
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        We have sugar to fig, nowhere to go. Buy, it will be sweet to you and we will have more fun.

        Do not make me laugh:
        Sugar prices in the domestic market have stabilized, said Vice Prime Minister of Ukraine Leonid Kozachenko on January 29.

        According to him, as a result of measures taken by the government to restrict the import of sugar into Ukraine, the domestic market managed to significantly reduce the amount of surplus sugar that pulled its price down, thereby reducing the profitability of Ukrainian sugar enterprises.

        Today there is no excess sugar on the market, and its price is gradually growing. The amount of sugar that remains makes it possible to satisfy the market throughout the season, ”L. Kozachenko believes.

        http://www.ukrsugar.kiev.ua/
        1. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka 12 June 2013 19: 10
          -4
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Vovka Levka
          We have sugar to fig, nowhere to go. Buy, it will be sweet to you and we will have more fun.

          Do not make me laugh:
          Sugar prices in the domestic market have stabilized, said Vice Prime Minister of Ukraine Leonid Kozachenko on January 29.

          According to him, as a result of measures taken by the government to restrict the import of sugar into Ukraine, the domestic market managed to significantly reduce the amount of surplus sugar that pulled its price down, thereby reducing the profitability of Ukrainian sugar enterprises.

          Today there is no excess sugar on the market, and its price is gradually growing. The amount of sugar that remains makes it possible to satisfy the market throughout the season, ”L. Kozachenko believes.

          http://www.ukrsugar.kiev.ua/

          You tell a joke with reality. And what is happening with this industry, we know very well.
          1. svp67
            svp67 12 June 2013 19: 48
            +1
            Quote: Vovka Levka
            You tell a joke with reality
            Of course, I like to joke myself. Have you not appreciated mine ...?
      2. Curculum
        Curculum 12 June 2013 18: 47
        +8
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        We have sugar to fig, nowhere to go.

        Until 1991, the Ukrainian SSR occupied one of the first places in the world in terms of beet sugar production exceeding 5,5 million tons in year, 60% which was exported.
        As of December 10, 2012 in Ukraine produced about 2 million tons Sahara. Consumption of this product in the domestic market has not changed over the past 15 years - 1,8-1,9 million tons. In the 2011/2012 marketing year (from September 1, 2011 to August 1, 2012), according to the State Statistics Service, it was delivered to foreign markets 164 thousand. t Sahara.
        The fall in sugar prices made the work of most factories unprofitable: out of 99 enterprises in the country, only 2012 were processed beets in the 63 season. Today, even the largest producers are not easy to conduct sugar business in Ukraine. For example, in January-September 2012, the net profit of Astarta agricultural holding fell by 14%, EBITDA margin - by more than 9%.
        In 2013, a continuation of the trend to reduce sugar beet crops in Ukraine is expected to continue, which is directly related to the difficult situation in the sugar market. Farmers and agricultural holdings prefer to rely on cereals, legumes and oilseeds, the cultivation of which is a less expensive business.
        According to the Ministry of Agrarian Policy, as part of the negotiation process on creating a free trade zone between Ukraine and the EU, it was agreed that the quota for sugar exports to the EU should be 20 thousand tons
        1. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka 12 June 2013 19: 11
          -6
          Quote: Kurkul
          Quote: Vovka Levka
          We have sugar to fig, nowhere to go.

          Until 1991, the Ukrainian SSR occupied one of the first places in the world in terms of beet sugar production exceeding 5,5 million tons in year, 60% which was exported.
          As of December 10, 2012 in Ukraine produced about 2 million tons Sahara. Consumption of this product in the domestic market has not changed over the past 15 years - 1,8-1,9 million tons. In the 2011/2012 marketing year (from September 1, 2011 to August 1, 2012), according to the State Statistics Service, it was delivered to foreign markets 164 thousand. t Sahara.
          The fall in sugar prices made the work of most factories unprofitable: out of 99 enterprises in the country, only 2012 were processed beets in the 63 season. Today, even the largest producers are not easy to conduct sugar business in Ukraine. For example, in January-September 2012, the net profit of Astarta agricultural holding fell by 14%, EBITDA margin - by more than 9%.
          In 2013, a continuation of the trend to reduce sugar beet crops in Ukraine is expected to continue, which is directly related to the difficult situation in the sugar market. Farmers and agricultural holdings prefer to rely on cereals, legumes and oilseeds, the cultivation of which is a less expensive business.
          According to the Ministry of Agrarian Policy, as part of the negotiation process on creating a free trade zone between Ukraine and the EU, it was agreed that the quota for sugar exports to the EU should be 20 thousand tons

          You tell a joke with reality. And what is happening with this industry, we know very well.
          1. Curculum
            Curculum 12 June 2013 19: 20
            +8
            Quote: Vovka Levka
            You tell a joke with reality. And what is happening with this industry, we know very well.

            Then is your joke abstract? But I just showed real statistics and, it turns out, I confirmed your "joke".
      3. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 12 June 2013 20: 17
        +2
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        Buy, you will be sweet

        What if the priest sticks together? Yes, and there is a lot of sugar harmful. So, let’s get along. We’ll be healthier.
      4. Corsair
        Corsair 12 June 2013 21: 50
        +1
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        We have sugar to fig, nowhere to go. Buy, it will be sweet to you and we will have more fun.

        Carefully delve into the state of the "sugar industry", calculate the remaining acreage for the sugar beet, the capacity and number of beet processing plants currently operating and multiply the total devastation - you will get bitterness, not a sweet life ...
      5. Simon
        Simon 12 June 2013 22: 07
        +3
        Thank you, there’s nowhere to go.
  • escobar
    escobar 12 June 2013 15: 37
    -26 qualifying.
    YES WHAT FOR Fables for children !! Propaganda, but it’s not clear to anyone and for what. There is already no place under the porch for cars, everything is impoverished. You look into the hinterland in Russia and then you become speechless such moronic lousy people. They don’t feel sad and the economy and the penny are also available to the city and youth. Normally, everything about us, think about yourself, about the province dying of drugs and vodka .
    1. SergeySK
      SergeySK 12 June 2013 15: 48
      28
      Quote: escobar
      YES WHAT FOR Fables for children !! Propaganda, but it’s not clear to anyone and for what. There is already no place under the porch for cars, everything is impoverished. You look into the hinterland in Russia and then you become speechless such moronic lousy people. They don’t feel sad and the economy and the penny are also available to the city and youth. Normally, everything about us, think about yourself, about the province dying of drugs and vodka .


      Why did you spread to Russia? This is your write on your resources!
      Here's the face and crooked!

      And we see at home! And we fight against drunkenness and smoking. And we showed @ geyparadam unlike some!

      And why are you so nervous about yourself ?? All right, would it be? !
      1. Zopuhhh
        Zopuhhh 12 June 2013 15: 55
        +2
        A lot of nationalists on the site a lot
      2. escobar
        escobar 12 June 2013 16: 07
        -27 qualifying.
        Yes, it’s already clear where the wind is blowing from, and under whose dictation a hand spars a kind of absurdity. We don’t complain, but we all regret it. !!
      3. White
        White 12 June 2013 16: 13
        -19 qualifying.
        Hmm, the context of becoming such that the attitude of Russia pops up by itself, and the author clearly associates himself with Russia.

        But personally, I am indignant only because on TOPWAR articles in which everything is upheld and everything in Ukraine is published as on a schedule, I am surprised even where they just are not looking for them. But after all, the submission of information on one side only is obviously not true. Here, many so dutifully hate western Ukraine, but for what? there are those nationalists crumbs, they are simply in plain sight in the press, etc. And you would first go there for excellent tourism and the people there are very normal (although they say yes in Ukrainian)
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 12 June 2013 16: 57
          14
          Quote: White
          I am surprised even where they just do not look. But after all, the submission of information on one side only is obviously not true.

          And do not be surprised. Find interesting laudatory, or simply objective articles, send them to the site - they will print - we will discuss. fellow
        2. Sinbad
          Sinbad 12 June 2013 17: 42
          10
          And that everyone clung to the tongue. In the USSR, the Ukrainian language did not bother anyone and films were filmed where the heroes spoke Ukrainian, for the whole union, and it was in the order of things. Only the languages ​​were "different", but the people were the same. It is better to think together who is in the hands of separating us and pitting us against each other. The authorities and politicians are changing, but Russia was, is and will be. But the enemies of Russia are the same, always!
        3. Oleg
          Oleg 12 June 2013 17: 53
          -19 qualifying.
          I wrote very competently, I think that TORWAR editor Ukrainophobe is over!
          1. biglow
            biglow 12 June 2013 19: 32
            +7
            Oleg
            Listen, brother Oleg, what are you doing on a Russian-language site?
          2. CTEPX
            CTEPX 12 June 2013 20: 41
            +2
            Quote: olega
            I think that TORWAR editor Ukrainophobe is over!

            Maybe he just does not like the Anglo-Saxons?)).
          3. regsSSSR
            regsSSSR 12 June 2013 21: 44
            0
            I’ve been disappointed by everything more or more, or they have spoken about the case, but this is an insult and a concrete minus! only we have such an insult (oh you are too smart and competent dog, well, get it !!!)
        4. majorlnb
          majorlnb 12 June 2013 20: 02
          10
          Think about it ... How did it happen that for 20 years of "independence" we have not been able to build anything normal? How did it happen that ALL our today's "friends" "yesterday" came to Ukraine for slaves and shed the blood of Ukrainians? (Poles and Europeans in a crowd) How did it happen that 20 years old we, Ukraine, like that donkey poke the carrot of "acceptance into European Union "? But why does this very European Union not want to let Ukrainian goods into its markets, and makes us remove all customs duties? We are told tales of our backwardness and immediately climb with their "advice" demanding the violation of OUR laws?
          So when you honestly answer all these questions for yourself, you will understand the situation in Ukraine and its people. Then you will understand who is our friend and who is the enemy ...
        5. serezhasoldatow
          serezhasoldatow 13 June 2013 01: 09
          0
          There is no UKRAINIAN SPEAK
      4. Gato
        Gato 12 June 2013 16: 24
        +3
        Why did you spread to Russia? This is your write on your resources!


        Source http: //cccp-revivel.blogspot.ru/2013/06/getto-pod-nazvaniem-ukraina.html
      5. Cat
        Cat 12 June 2013 16: 32
        +3
        Quote: SergeySK
        This is your write on your resources!

        Novodvorskaya, or Svanidze there - they write on your resources. Do you consider them yours? So w.
        1. SergeySK
          SergeySK 12 June 2013 16: 40
          14
          Quote: Cat
          Quote: SergeySK
          This is your write on your resources!

          Novodvorskaya, or Svanidze there - they write on your resources. Do you consider them yours? So w.


          Nobody shouts from us that Svanidze Gruzin is Novodvorskaya Pole! We count them as ours, we consider them BITCHES! ! !

          BUT they do not blame Georgia or Poland or UKRAINE for their statements!

          What you attributed your balabol Russia ????
          1. Cat
            Cat 12 June 2013 16: 46
            +3
            Quote: SergeySK
            What you attributed your balabol Russia ????

            to Russia - it’s not we attributed it, it was he who tried.
            but you attributed it to us - although it is ours, as mentioned su..i - yours. Exactly the same creature without a tribe, worshiping the only God, gray-green.
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      7. O_RUS
        O_RUS 12 June 2013 18: 03
        0
        Quote: SergeySK
        Why did you spread to Russia? This is your write on your resources!
        Here's the face and crooked!


        in other words - you see a speck in a stranger’s eye, but you don’t notice a log in your
    2. Gato
      Gato 12 June 2013 15: 57
      0
      Absolutely agree with you.
      Probably the author of this libel goes with me to some different cities.
      Yes, we also have life - not lard in chocolate, but we scold both the government and the opposition, but we are not talking about any nightmarish poverty and "survival".
      The whipping up of "horrors" and the apocalyptic predictions sucked out of the finger cause bewilderment, to put it mildly.
      If anyone is interested, I can give a breakdown on the prices and expenses-income of my family.
    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 12 June 2013 16: 02
      20
      Good for you!
      Everything is fine with us, we do not need anything, if only there would be no war! Europe will help us, but in Russia (and in China, and even in Kyrgyzstan!) There are even worse places than where I live! Yes! They drink vodka and drugs.
      Here in Ukraine, there is another matter. Nobody even breathed about drugs, so they can drink a little vodka, a dance for the lad, well, two no more. laughing
      No position, no sandpiper in his swamp, ostrich with his head in ... sand.
      Kony understands that over the years of "independence" a huge scientific, technical, cultural and human potential has been lost.
      Only a blind-deaf and dumb-patriot can not notice it.
      And there is little consolation in the fact that somewhere, it may be even more "rotten".
      Once, in my native Odessa, even when instead of hryvnia there were "candy wrappers", one beggar grandfather in the New Market broadcast something like this: yes, it's hard here, but somewhere out there (I don't remember which city in Russia, in my opinion, Krasnoyarsk he chose, like in sports lotto laughing ) they say even worse!
      To the credit of those present from Odessa, they did not support his stupid speeches, but answered in the spirit: eh, our Kolya, no more ... brain! " smile
      1. Oleg
        Oleg 12 June 2013 17: 56
        -10 qualifying.
        I see what Odessa you are ...
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 13 June 2013 07: 21
          0
          Quote: olega
          I see what Odessa you are ...

          "Hey-ge ... Now I see that they gave me a yak bird instead of a licar .." wink
          M.A. Bulgakov
    4. Very old
      Very old 12 June 2013 16: 07
      -8
      Good thing - anonymity You can hide the mug
    5. SergeySK
      SergeySK 12 June 2013 16: 19
      +4
      And by the way, look at the statistics in Russia and Ukraine they drink the same!
    6. kmike
      kmike 12 June 2013 16: 38
      +4
      Those who more or less live, someone works for them either in Russia in oil fields or in Europe. I didn’t come up with this, the Ukrainians working in our North told me that.
      1. Simon
        Simon 12 June 2013 22: 18
        +1
        That's for sure, I confirm it too.
    7. Egoza
      Egoza 12 June 2013 16: 54
      14
      Quote: escobar
      They don’t grieve everywhere and the economy and a penny are also available to the city and youth.

      Well, I live in the village now. And I see how those who managed to seize the land live, and to whom the rest now plow like laborers. Yes, these live do not grieve. But the rest - barely survive.
      1. Conepatus
        Conepatus 12 June 2013 19: 02
        +2
        Why did they sell their earthen share? They originally had an earthen plot, who prevented me from working? The military unit in which I work is guarded by VOKHOR (fly swatter), since there are more than half the staff from the villages. They are on duty for three days and three days At home. Everyone has an economy (livestock, gardens), some have their own carpentry workshops. Call them farm laborers, I can’t turn my tongue. Men work like oxen. Because they have a family, there are children who need to be raised. And laborers come from laziness, or from drunkenness. A normal man, in the village will not be lost. Neither here, nor in Russia.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 12 June 2013 19: 09
          +1
          Quote: Conepatus
          They are on duty for a day, and at home for three days


          Looks like their share of land feeds once an iron stick in the guard dragged a day or three for pennies.
          1. Conepatus
            Conepatus 12 June 2013 19: 21
            0
            They have a salary of 1500 hryvnias clean. Work suits them, because they have 3 days to work on the housework. And they receive mutual shares once a year, after harvesting. Not in money. (Flour, sugar, animal feed, etc.) their income is the sale of meat and food from the garden. They do not chew naturally, but they live not badly.
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 12 June 2013 19: 38
              +3
              Quote: Conepatus
              They do not chew naturally, but they live not badly.


              You would tryndel more likely. If not every day I see it "not bad" itself, then every other day for sure. Those who do not have a job in the city or locally can hardly make ends meet. And the reasons, the reasons are different, and illness and drunkenness from despair ... And my parents live in the countryside, so you leave your highly artistic whistle for your home consumption.
              1. Conepatus
                Conepatus 12 June 2013 19: 51
                -2
                Tryndet, this is your prerogative, I do not dispute it, so do not be nervous.
                There is no work in the village? It seems to those who thump from "hopelessness".
                so leave your highly artistic thoughts to your parents when you come to them for groceries or for retirement.
                1. Hudo
                  Hudo 12 June 2013 20: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: Conepatus
                  your highly artistic thoughts, to your parents, when you come to them for groceries or for retirement


                  Cheap loser!
                  I can come to my parents not for money, but with money and gifts. I do not draw my impressions of the state of life in rural areas from the car window or from the drawer, but by cultivating the processing of agricultural products. People who work with me for hire have a radically different opinion from yours. Go down to earth Mr. loser.
                  1. Conepatus
                    Conepatus 12 June 2013 20: 16
                    -3
                    Yeah. You are all here, owners of factories and parades.
                    Sloupok, Mr., this is your last name. You don’t have to judge everyone by yourself.
                    It’s better to do business, otherwise the processing of agricultural products will stop. laughing
                    1. Hudo
                      Hudo 12 June 2013 20: 24
                      +2
                      Quote: Conepatus
                      It’s better to do business, otherwise the processing of agricultural products will stop


                      You will poke your drinking companions in a cheap pub.

                      Quote: Conepatus
                      Yeah. You are all here, owners of factories and parades.


                      Not everyone can be evil, rogue storytellers.

                      Z.Y. I can advise on the work of cleaning currants by blat, let's see what kind of goose you are in business. Payment is piecework.
                      1. Conepatus
                        Conepatus 12 June 2013 20: 40
                        -4
                        Campaign in a cheap pub and live.
                        That's right. You are not a rogue storyteller, you are a rogue dreamer. smile
                      2. Hudo
                        Hudo 12 June 2013 20: 43
                        +2
                        Work watch you are not interested. In vain, I attract my children voluntarily and forcibly, so that people like you do not grow up, know the value of both my work and someone else's. Labor can still make you even a man!
                        Z.Y. Feeding troll labors, if not accustomed to work?
                      3. Conepatus
                        Conepatus 12 June 2013 20: 51
                        -4
                        I have a job. Why should I go to Russia for seasonal work?
                      4. Hudo
                        Hudo 12 June 2013 22: 38
                        +2
                        Quote: Conepatus
                        Why should I go to Russia for seasonal work?


                        Hmm !!! Is the Stanichno-Lugansk region of the Lugansk region Russia already? Well, I'm not only for, I'm FOR!!! Tomorrow I’ll go check it out - I’ll try to pay in the store and at the gas station in rubles - I’m suddenly lying as always.
                      5. maxvet
                        maxvet 13 June 2013 10: 46
                        +2
                        Zema, my brother lives in Valuisky, by the way, he paid with Russian rubles several times in stores, they’re not always willing to accept
                      6. Hudo
                        Hudo 14 June 2013 20: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: maxvet
                        Zema, my brother lives in Valuisky


                        Maxim, glad to meet a fellow countryman! In the Alder Cossack, a stone's throw.
      2. O_RUS
        O_RUS 14 June 2013 13: 44
        0
        Quote: Conepatus
        so leave your highly artistic thoughts to your parents when you come to them for groceries or for retirement.


        Listen carefully - don't touch parents
        1. Conepatus
          Conepatus 20 June 2013 15: 35
          -1
          1st nobody touched them
          2-not for you, to teach me the bastard of bastard, go snuggle on, and even better, just close your mouth stall.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 12 June 2013 20: 23
    +3
    Quote: Conepatus
    Why did they sell their earthen share?

    And nobody was selling anything. It's just that the former chairman and members of his family announced that they would make the farm, and someone took the pig farm, just to grow grain, then it turned out - rapeseed, well, another field with corn, something else, they promised to pay both in money and "in kind ". As a result, they promise, for example (exaggerating), to pay 300 hryvnias per hectare (share), but they pay 150, sorry, taxes, and there is no money at all. Let's give you some grain, a bag of sugar, a bag of corn. Of course, people take. Chickens, rabbits (rarely, because they often get sick), geese-ducks are also far from all. There are goats - as many as 5 for the whole street, a cow - one. And there are simply no young people. Old people work, but they are already 60-70 years old. And the men do not drink, they are not lazy - they are just old, they have no strength.
    Threat. By the way, we have a moratorium on the sale of land. You do not know?
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus 12 June 2013 20: 34
      -3
      I know.
      We get about the same thing. Share is received in goods. The main income is sales from the garden and from raising pigs and "goods" (no idea why cows and bulls are called that)
      There are young people in the villages, but not many. There are generally "killed" villages with 5-10 houses.
      There is / was a meat factory and a sugar factory in the city. Therefore, it is easier to live / live in the nearest villages. This year, most likely, the meat factory and sah factory will be closed
  • heathen
    heathen 12 June 2013 18: 50
    +5
    Yeah. We take loans from the IMF and buy cars for them. KRRRASOTA! And the children will pay what? OWN production day by day less and less, agricultural in decline, the army is constantly being reduced ... and here we boast about cars. Ugh!
  • biglow
    biglow 12 June 2013 19: 29
    +6
    escobar
    the author of the article, Lunev, lives in Lviv and he knows better what is happening and how
  • svp67
    svp67 12 June 2013 15: 38
    +3
    When the adults return, I don’t know, but the fact that Ukraine has come to the end of its history is undoubted.
    Oh, how bold ... Ukraine will live exactly as long as people who consider themselves UKRAINIANS will live. And how many people living in Moscow who consider themselves RUSSIAN live in Moscow?
    1. Zopuhhh
      Zopuhhh 12 June 2013 15: 56
      +1
      We have a LOT in Moscow! Much more than Outskirts
    2. SergeySK
      SergeySK 12 June 2013 16: 30
      +4
      Somalia also lives does not cough!
  • Vital 33
    Vital 33 12 June 2013 15: 39
    -1
    Yes, yes, yes ... Ukrainian-speaking people are ridiculous, Kiev is an absurd city, Ukraine can be completely ridiculous ... and it is going wrong, and there is nothing there, and there is nothing to be proud of ... AND THERE WILL NOT BE THROUGH THE YEAR OF UKRAINE !!!
    I’ve been reading the same thing for eight years ...
    Come up with something new already.
    1. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 12 June 2013 17: 56
      -9
      Quote: Vital 33
      Yes, yes, yes ... Ukrainian-speaking people are ridiculous, Kiev is an absurd city, Ukraine can be completely ridiculous ... and it is going wrong, and there is nothing there, and there is nothing to be proud of ... AND THERE WILL NOT BE THROUGH THE YEAR OF UKRAINE !!!
      I’ve been reading the same thing for eight years ...
      Come up with something new already.

      The record stuck, but not taught to think. So you will read for a long time. As the saying goes, repetition is the mother of teaching.
    2. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 11 July 2013 19: 25
      0
      Quote: Vital 33
      Yes, yes, yes ... Ukrainian-speaking people are ridiculous, Kiev is an absurd city,


      Kiev is a beautiful city, people are like people (there are, of course, "poor" so they are everywhere)
      ... here those who lived in UR are becoming less and less.

      Quote: Vital 33
      AND YOU WILL NOT BE THROUGH THE YEAR OF UKRAINE !!!


      There will be Ukraine both in a year and in two. But just what? And Ukrainians themselves will decide
  • Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 12 June 2013 15: 46
    26
    Much has been written now about Ukraine ... and most of this is in hard-hitting colors ... about the Leadership, about the economy, about gas, about the armed forces, etc. etc. During the so-called. "Nezalezhnosti" Ukraine is torn apart by political strife affecting the entire course of events in the life of the people of Ukraine. And the most important thing is that the gap is not visible in the short term. It is said a lot that in 2017 there will be a final turn for the better ..... someone, on the contrary, predicts that the 17th year will be the final one in the collapse of Ukraine. And the people living on this land ... and the Ukrainians, Russians, Tatars, Jews, etc. cannot understand what kind of country they have such ... well, everything is not so ... like in Europe, but before European level to her as to Mars.
    Remember how in Soviet times ... Ukraine is the breadbasket of the USSR, and then there was so much speculation about the fact that Ukraine feeds everyone, and they say they are malnourished ..... times have changed ... No one is called "breadbasket" anymore , ... I would like to make ends meet ... maybe the understanding has come for some that Ukraine is only strong when it is in the Union ... or as it is fashionable to say "In a team" ... far from everyone ... Therefore, the strife ..... Since the beginning of the history of Ukraine, it has such a difficult fate .... I would say long-suffering ... it is a pity that this is how everything happens. In the Union of Slavic states of Belarus, Ukraine and Russia, it would be much easier for us to live, develop and defend ourselves. One people - one country !!
    1. dmit-xnumx
      dmit-xnumx 12 June 2013 16: 29
      0
      "Plusanul" your comment, but I will dispute your resume: not in the "union of Slavic states", but as part of Russia Little Russia-Ukraine and Belarus.
  • White
    White 12 June 2013 15: 56
    +3
    The site has a huge amount of news that describes how bad the United States, Europe, Japan are everywhere and how not to put Ukraine on this list. For the sake of justice, we must admit that in Ukraine there are a lot of problems, but the majority comes down to politics; everything else is quite a solvable issue (if the politicians agree). But personally, I think that all this counter propaganda in Russia itself is far from being smooth (with such opportunities) just to cheer people up and constantly stuff with information how bad it is around, but it’s good here. If everything is so cool, you can emigrate to Russia? Engineers say you need me, though I speak Ukrainian but I hope they don’t shoot me for it.
    1. tor11121
      tor11121 12 June 2013 16: 17
      12
      Come to Siberia. here we have Russians and Tatars and Ukrainians all mixed up, just what you can’t hear. richly do not live is not the capital. but no one swells with hunger. simple people have nothing to share.
      1. White
        White 12 June 2013 17: 10
        +2
        I thought that you have manna from heaven there, and I will not die of hunger here either.
        1. tor11121
          tor11121 12 June 2013 17: 22
          +7
          Well, manna from heaven is in paradise. and they say to us. How do you drown and rush.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 12 June 2013 17: 06
      +5
      Quote: White
      For the sake of justice, we must admit that in Ukraine there are a lot of problems, but the majority comes down to politics; everything else is quite a solvable problem (if politicians agree)

      The only problem, about which, like a wall, all good intentions are broken ... sad
  • klopik1
    klopik1 12 June 2013 16: 01
    -5
    Is this Sergey Lunev more interesting than the Garden Ring?
    1. svp67
      svp67 12 June 2013 16: 04
      -3
      Quote: klopik1
      Is this Sergey Lunev more interesting than the Garden Ring?
      But judging by the story - YES. But I want to exclaim as in the old days - AUTHOR ON THE SCENE. Let him give an answer, how often has he been to Ukraine and at what times?
      1. Luna
        Luna 12 June 2013 16: 13
        +9
        Actually, he lives in Ukraine. smile

        http://sergeylunev.odnako.org/
        1. SergeySK
          SergeySK 12 June 2013 16: 34
          +4
          And I said that they write theirs!

          And naturally the Russians are to blame! Why then immediately began to poke us ???
        2. svp67
          svp67 12 June 2013 16: 36
          -7
          Quote: Luna
          Actually, he lives in Ukraine.
          Judging by the use of the prepositions "HA" and "B", in relation to Ukraine, the author lives somewhere within the Moscow Ring Road ...
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 12 June 2013 17: 00
            +4
            Quote: svp67
            Judging by the use of the prepositions "HA" and "B", in relation to Ukraine, the author lives somewhere within the Moscow Ring Road ...


            Strange logic! As in an old joke - there are no matches, so it’s not worth it. You will go far with this "logic".
            1. svp67
              svp67 12 June 2013 17: 19
              +4
              Quote: Hudo
              As in the old joke - there are no matches, so it’s not worth it.
              Whoever has something, and it costs or is worth it, this is a personal matter for everyone. And here is the author’s phrase
              "I am not a European, I am a Russian Ukrainian, and I have my own national pride."
              As it is not very clear:
              - that is, the author does not believe that the history of Russia and Ukraine is part of the European ...
              - "Russian Ukrainian" is something from the same area as "Tatar-Mongol". That is, it’s not this and not that ... In the current situation, it is necessary to somehow be defined ... since the author himself requires this in his publications ...
              Personally, I made my choice at the moment when the author
              Twenty years ago, I, too, was a supporter of democracy tailored to Western patterns .... I wanted to live like in the West, with democracy and complete abundance, which the most advanced country in the world could not guarantee.
              I, a native of the Ukrainian SSR, did not take the oath to Ukraine, but transferred to the Armed Forces of Russia and devoted my whole life to serving RUSSIA, no matter what, since ALWAYS felt only RUSSIAN and not otherwise. I was always enraged in Ukrainian society ...
              1. Tverichanka
                Tverichanka 12 June 2013 20: 37
                0
                Quote: svp67
                I, a native of the Ukrainian SSR, did not take the oath to Ukraine, but transferred to the Armed Forces of Russia and devoted my whole life to serving RUSSIA,

                I would like to shake your hand. It’s a pity that it’s impossible. But I can express my respect to you. And dream, they would all be the same, but I would never be with me at all! Thank you for your honest and principled position.
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop 12 June 2013 20: 54
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            Judging by the use of the prepositions "HA" and "B", in relation to Ukraine, the author lives somewhere within the Moscow Ring Road ...

            And long ago Lviv moved to the Moscow Ring Road? wassat
            Quote: biglow
            the author of the article, Lunev, lives in Lviv and he knows better what is happening and how
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  • pensioner
    pensioner 12 June 2013 16: 05
    +7
    Recently I saw in the news another circus in the Rada. I thought: do Europe need these clowns? There, too, the telly watch. Yes, after such performances, the Ukrainians will be looked at as Papuans. And at all. And Ukrainians will never become their own in Europe. Well never!
    1. MG42
      MG42 12 June 2013 16: 11
      11
      Quote: retired
      Recently I saw in the news another circus in the Rada. I thought: do Europe need these clowns?

      This fight 3 years ago, when they voted for the extension of the BSF base, it was included in the top ten best fights in the parliaments, chicken eggs and smoke bombs were used
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 12 June 2013 16: 24
        +1
        YES ... I haven’t seen it. And what, not the first place? I would like to see the whole list.
        1. MG42
          MG42 12 June 2013 19: 19
          +3
          Quote: retired
          And what, not the first place? I would like to see the whole list.

          TOP-20 of the most “high-profile” fights in the parliaments of different countries
          Read more: http://www.bagnet.org/news/society/97359
          On the 1st place is Nigeria, 2nd South Korea, 3rd Ukraine .. wassat
          1. Rattenfanger
            Rattenfanger 12 June 2013 19: 25
            +4
            Nothing, she didn’t die, as they say. Now both Klitschko’s gloves will hang on a nail, they will blow out in the first place. Koreans and Nigerians will smoke aside. lol
          2. pensioner
            pensioner 12 June 2013 19: 41
            +2
            In the winners still ...
            1. MG42
              MG42 12 June 2013 20: 19
              +6
              It's a shame for such a "prize", this is an anti-rating of the culture of behavior, representatives of the people are sitting in parliament ready to scalp each other
              >>
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 12 June 2013 20: 43
                0
                Even I am ashamed of your deputies. and with what rapture they do it! After all, they know that they are being removed. And all the same, they climb and climb ... Is it at least someone who benefits from these martial arts or not?
                1. Hudo
                  Hudo 12 June 2013 20: 47
                  0
                  Quote: retired
                  . At least someone receives from these martial arts or not?


                  Well so at stake cut the budget.
                  1. pensioner
                    pensioner 12 June 2013 21: 00
                    0
                    Yes-ah ... I saw any love of money. But that would be SO ...
                    1. Stamp
                      Stamp 12 June 2013 23: 47
                      +2
                      In this fight of Ukrainian parliamentarians, in addition to the use of smoke bombs and chicken eggs, it is worth noting the tugs of the national flag of Ukraine. New fun from the demotivator - keep up the good work! Who drives us?
                2. MG42
                  MG42 12 June 2013 20: 54
                  +2
                  They have an official salary of about UAH 15 thousand, about $ 2 thousand, free treatment at the best clinic in Feofania in Ukraine, free hotel accommodation in Kiev, free air travel and generally any travel, you can get free housing, almost no one refused these benefits + assistants, etc. Everything is paid from the budget ..
                  But some have gone even further >> it is no secret that places in the checkpoint list can be booked by paying about a lemon of greens, i.e. business goes to power to lobby its structures by passing the necessary laws ..
                  a kickback is paid for the adoption of laws >> somehow this is not to mention the overbought deputies, who are called "carcasses" winked
                  those. you can pay for a place this money can be recaptured by going to another faction ..
      2. escobar
        escobar 12 June 2013 16: 30
        -28 qualifying.
        This is still better than your rotten EDRO (Communist Party of the Soviet Union), all thinkers vote the same, under the direction of Daddy.
        1. bezumnyiPIT
          bezumnyiPIT 12 June 2013 16: 45
          +5
          Decent W6ros
      3. kagorta
        kagorta 12 June 2013 19: 53
        +1
        Now the party of Klitschko will definitely win a fight for the podium. :)
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    2. Conepatus
      Conepatus 12 June 2013 19: 33
      0
      Quote: retired
      Recently I saw in the news another circus in the Rada. I thought: do Europe need these clowns? There, too, the telly watch. Yes, after such performances, the Ukrainians will be looked at as Papuans. And at all. And Ukrainians will never become their own in Europe. Well never!


      And I’m not a geyropa’s home, I initially FSUs, what the average statistical thinks about me
      european @ idoraus.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 12 June 2013 19: 44
        +5
        If you enter there, it will become very fast. Public opinion however ... A lot of things depend on it. And at a specific level, too.
    3. knn54
      knn54 12 June 2013 20: 41
      +2
      -pensioner: Recently I saw in the news another circus in the Rada.
      They are far from clowns.
      1. The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine did not support the draft resolution “On further work on a draft law on amendments to the Constitution of Ukraine regarding immunity”.
      Only 190 people's deputies (with 226 required) out of 401 registered in the session hall voted for this decision.
      In particular, 150 deputies from the Party of Regions faction, 30 from the Communist Party of Ukraine, 8 from outside the faction and one from the Batkivshchyna, UDAR, and Svoboda factions voted for this decision.
      2. Rada failed the bill on anti-corruption inspection of the President and other officials
      The Verkhovna Rada refused to support in the first reading the bill on anti-corruption checks of officials at all levels, introduced by representatives of opposition factions.
      The bill on anti-corruption verification of officials at all levels was supported by 201 MPs out of the required 226 votes, 407 MPs were registered in the hall.
      3. The deputies decided not to cancel their benefits and special pensions. For the draft law on the abolition of unreasonable privileges and privileges for persons authorized to fulfill the functions of the state, No. 2221 203 people's deputies voted with 226 necessary.
      For this document, the Party of Regions faction gave 10 votes, “Fatherland” - 73 votes, BLOW - 38, “Freedom” - 31, KPU - 31, and also 20 votes in favor were given by non-factional deputies.
      As explained by the leader of the Fatherland faction Arseniy Yatsenyuk, the proposed document dealt with the prohibition of motorcades and blocking the streets during the passage of the president, prime minister and speaker.
      In addition, it was proposed not to spend money on special planes for the first persons of the state and oblige them to use regular flights.
      It was also proposed to sell residences in Koncha-Zaspa, to abolish special pensions for deputies and senior officials and set the bar for them in the amount of not more than 10 minimum wages.
      In addition, the bill provided for the abolition of severance payments and material assistance to people's deputies and the sale of 50% of the fleet of public authorities.
      4. The deputies of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine have the biggest benefits in the world. http://dozor.kharkov.ua/news/authority/1133873.html
      -RJN: The fact is that Galicians are not Ukrainians ...
      The inhabitants of Galicia, according to the main features of a single people - a common history, mentality, religion - do not have
      nothing to do with the Ukrainian people. Galicians were instilled with Russophobia, and the bulk of Ukrainians treat Russians and Belarusians as a close relative, Galicians are Uniates, while Orthodox Ukrainians and Galicians have been in the role of an oppressed national minority for hundreds of years, Ukrainians have not experienced national oppression.
      And the Ukrainian language is closer to Russian than to the Galician dialect. Galicians Ukrainians can be considered very conditional.
      The sooner they realize that they are not the national elite of Ukraine, but simply a minority, the better it will be for them and for Ukraine.
      In February 1914, the former Russian Minister of the Interior P.N. Durnovo, in his analytical note addressed to Nikolai II, wrote about Galicia: “It is clearly unprofitable for us, in the name of the idea of ​​national sentimentalism, to join our country with a region that has lost all living contact with it . After all, for an insignificant handful of Russians in the spirit of the Galicians, how many Poles, Jews, Ukrainianized Uniates will we get? The so-called Ukrainian or Mazepa movement is not scary for us now, but we should not let it grow, increasing the number of restless Ukrainian elements, since in this movement there is an undeniable germ of extremely dangerous Little Russian separatism, which, under favorable conditions, can reach completely unexpected proportions. ”
      Over the century, nothing has changed ... As Pyotr Nikolaevich looked into the water.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 12 June 2013 21: 33
        0
        Thanks so much for the lecture! I read it with great pleasure. I don’t go into the details of your policy. Now I’ll probably start. I understood that there is something to fight for yours.
  • Cat
    Cat 12 June 2013 16: 08
    -7
    take this article, replace "Ukraine" on "Russia","Kiev" on "Moscow"... instead of author SerGey Lunev write author Zbzdi Zhinsky... just a masterpiece for this site. Minuses will rake, and only enthusiastic comments - uuuu ... journalists of all "independent" media like Echo Matza will strangle themselves on the spot, from the realization of their own inferiority.

    But this is if with changes.
    But in their original form - they will be zapusuyut, or zaminusuyut? It will be interesting to look at the reaction of regulars VO =)))
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 12 June 2013 21: 04
      -3
      Quote: Cat
      take this article, replace "Ukraine" on "Russia","Kiev" on "Moscow"... instead of author SerGey Lunev write author Zbzdi Zhinsky... just a masterpiece for this site. Minuses will rake, and only enthusiastic comments - uuuu ... journalists of all "independent" media like Echo Matza will strangle themselves on the spot, from the realization of their own inferiority.

      But this is if with changes.
      But in their original form - they will be zapusuyut, or zaminusuyut? It will be interesting to look at the reaction of regulars VO =)))

      Cruel))
    2. CTEPX
      CTEPX 12 June 2013 21: 13
      0
      Quote: Cat
      take this article, replace "Ukraine" with "Russia",

      Is it like "not Georgia attacked, but Russia"?
      Did already)).
  • Luna
    Luna 12 June 2013 16: 10
    10
    Quote: escobar
    You look in the hinterland in Russia and then you will be speechless such moronic lousy to harp.

    About the Ukrainian outback it is better not to remember, there is generally hair on end.

    Quote: escobar
    Everything is normal with us, think about yourself, about the EPT province dying of drugs and vodka.

    WHO recently conducted a survey of 200 students in grades 5-10 regarding alcohol consumption. The findings were disappointing. From 40 countries, Ukraine is the first on the list. And this means that we regularly look into the glass of 40% of children. It is noteworthy that the Russians took only 15th place.

    Drug addiction in Ukraine is increasing by 8% per year - the trend is one of the highest in the world. 70% of drug addicts are young people under 25 years old. Percentage of female drug addiction in Ukraine is the highest in Europe. Drug addiction in Ukraine has an impact (and in the future this influence will increase many times) on the negative demographic situation.
    1. escobar
      escobar 12 June 2013 16: 13
      -26 qualifying.
      So take care of yourself, bring your data or is there such statistics that it’s scary to write !! ??
      1. Luna
        Luna 12 June 2013 16: 14
        16
        Can we read?
        Ukraine is the first, Russia is in 15th place.
    2. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 12 June 2013 16: 46
      -7
      Quote: Luna

      About the Ukrainian outback it is better not to remember, there is generally hair on end.



      Have you been there at least once?
      1. Luna
        Luna 12 June 2013 23: 18
        0
        Don’t worry, I was even born there.
        1. bezumnyiPIT
          bezumnyiPIT 13 June 2013 08: 29
          +1
          In that case, madam, I apologize to you
    3. Conepatus
      Conepatus 12 June 2013 19: 41
      -3
      Drug addiction in Ukraine is increasing by 8% per year - the trend is one of the highest in the world. 70% of drug addicts are young people under 25 years old. Percentage of female drug addiction in Ukraine is the highest in Europe. Drug addiction in Ukraine has an impact (and in the future this influence will increase many times) on the negative demographic situation. [/ I] [/ quote


      Ask the residents of Surgut about drug addiction, they have a lot to say about it.
  • Igor
    Igor 12 June 2013 16: 17
    +4
    Good day to all.
    What a strange controversy?
    Behave like a child, blame everyone and everything .. You can both in Moscow and Kiev.
    Will you accept responsibility for your life, for the life of your family and your country?
    or will you look for external "enemies"?
    Selling policies? go into politics yourself, be an honest politician.
    even a simple task to provide for a family
    who wants something looking for opportunities (goes to Europe, to Moscow, and opens a business, etc.)
    he who does not want is afraid he is looking for the reasons, some external enemies and ill-wishers.)
    Adulthood is first of all to take responsibility for one’s life.
    ;)
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 12 June 2013 20: 53
      -1
      Quote: Igor
      Adulthood is first of all to take responsibility for one’s life.

      With two hands "for"! A thousand times you are right. So let's all be adults. What's the use of quarreling? "Every hut has its own toys."
  • rks5317
    rks5317 12 June 2013 16: 19
    20
    Was in September 2012 in Kiev and in the Donbass. Temperature + 27. and in Kiev on the station square on a tray they sell cakes (!!!) - I’m sure that even in Asia and Africa they won’t reach that. And in Kiev it’s in the order of things ... And to all those who care, it’s not cakes anymore. And poison ... In the Donbass (Rovenki), there are sections of roads. On which passage is possible only on the side of the meeting ... What ??? And they are the World Cup ... And how miserable are the majority of my classmates who honestly worked in a mine and only for a bribe of several thousand dollars received a referral to the medical board for determining silicosis prescribed by the Law ... You come to the bus station (throughout Ukraine) and ask ticket. and the cashier says, I already closed the statement and the ticket from the driver. and the driver takes the money. but the ticket does not give on any routes (intercity) -that is, the entire transport chain (cashier-control-driver-director of the bus station-in collusion ...) ... And grandmothers with skinny plucked chickens and rabbits. Standing in the heat with meat in Kiev markets ??? I’ve been in Kiev since 1976, so there is something to compare ... So the author hasn’t said everything and seen. I confirm that Ukraine today is the beginning of the 20th century and no one sees any gap. Not only me .. .
    1. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 12 June 2013 16: 49
      -6
      Do not want, do not buy a cake! Yes, and it’s strange to judge by the situation in the country describing cakes and runes as an example
      1. bezumnyiPIT
        bezumnyiPIT 12 June 2013 17: 09
        -1
        Do you minus that? Am I wrong? if not right, explain!
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 12 June 2013 17: 40
          +5
          Quote: bezumnyiPIT
          Do you minus that? Am I wrong? if not right, explain!


          I will try to explain. Traders "cakes", which in the heat are a breeding ground for pathogens, pay cops and others. The authorities, instead of trying to squeeze these hucksters in every possible way, cover them for a bribe. And you buy, don't buy. sad
  • Net
    Net 12 June 2013 16: 19
    19
    Small township, provincialism are inevitable companions of all Svidomyts. This is the result of that big lie called the Ukrainian language, and statehood in particular, when the local dialect is proclaimed the language, and the former frightened servant is put on a jacket over his embroidered shirt and is told that he is now the president. That is why you have to hastily invent heroes for yourself, the story, no matter how funny and ridiculous it looks. And to live in essence by denying everything Russian, dreaming of Europe. Where? With a pork snout in a kalash row? And these groans about the ubiquitous Russians! There is a good saying: "Great nations are proud of their achievements, and worthless nations are proud of their humiliations." Be proud further!
  • svp67
    svp67 12 June 2013 16: 23
    +3
    True, Ukrainian-speaking citizens sometimes come across in a noisy city crowd, but they look ridiculous, like tourists.
    From personal ... autumn 1986, Kharkov. Fifty cadets return to the SDA (Point of Permanent Dislocation) after two months in the camps (there is nothing criminal here, the old military name, which has now been replaced - at the training ground or at the exercises). Early in the morning, at the final metro station, we occupy the last two carriages of an empty electric train, and at the moment of departure, instead of the usual, or rather earlier it, - "Caution! The doors are closing. The next station ...." suddenly sounded "Safe! The doors are closing. .. "The first reaction is SHOCK !!!!! A simultaneous thought spoken aloud by everyone - "Both on! The city is captured ..." It's funny to remember, but I think that it is still an inflection, when "native" speech - Mova sounds foreign on its territory.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 12 June 2013 22: 41
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      "Suddenly it sounded" Safe! Doors begin. Zupinka is coming ... "The first reaction is SHOCK !!!!! The simultaneous thought spoken aloud by everyone -" Both on !!! The city is captured ...

      And what, really fell out? laughing But seriously, the Ukrainian language in the Ukrainian SSR had a free circulation, it was taught in the secondary school with the Russian language of instruction from the 2nd grade, no one forbade it or oppressed it. True, there were funny, peculiar "excesses", when there was especially shortage of literature (there were glorious times-books in short supply! ...) in Russian were massively transported to the Western regions, and Ukrainian-speaking ones to the Eastern ...
      But READ nothing, and nobody peeled off ...
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 15 June 2013 16: 58
        +1
        Corsaru

        I confirm your words.
        I learned the Ukrainian language from the 2nd grade - no problem. Russian was on par with Ukrainian at school.
        The only exception: the children of the military did not learn Ukrainian (if they came to a Ukrainian school after the 3rd grade) or taught at will. And instead of an exam in the Ukrainian language, such children passed Russian literature.
        1. Akim
          Akim 15 June 2013 18: 40
          0
          Quote: aviamed90
          The only exception: the children of the military did not learn Ukrainian

          He taught, moreover, necessarily. The first two years (grades 6–7) I didn’t take exams only.
          1. aviamed90
            aviamed90 16 June 2013 10: 48
            0
            And I began to teach in the 2nd class in the city of Zhdanov (now the city of Mariupol) of the Donetsk region. Then he left with his parents in the GDR for 4 years, and when he returned, he brought a certificate that my father was a military man and that I had not learned the language for 4 years. Well, that’s it.
            Many did it. Someone in Uzbekistan lived with their parents, someone in Belarus, etc. According to rumors, there was a similar situation with local languages.
            1. Akim
              Akim 16 June 2013 12: 10
              0
              Quote: aviamed90
              And I began to teach in the 2nd class in the city of Zhdanov (now the city of Mariupol) of Donetsk region

              Donetsk 89 year. Maybe they’ve already tested, because I graduated from grades 8–9 already in independent Ukraine?
              1. aviamed90
                aviamed90 16 June 2013 12: 49
                0
                Akim

                I left for the GDR in 1978 (2nd grade). He arrived in 1982.
                And he graduated from school in Voroshilovgrad (now Lugansk) in 1986.
                Those. - Ukrainian SSR.
            2. ded10041948
              ded10041948 12 July 2013 00: 33
              0
              He lived in Belarus. Father is a soldier. The Belarusian language was not taught (they were dismissed from classes), but they understood well, although they spoke with difficulty. In the ninth grade (or in the tenth?) They introduced a compulsory study of Belarusian literature (although they answered lessons in Russian), nothing, no one died!
  • stranik72
    stranik72 12 June 2013 16: 28
    +2
    In vain you are so, there is no better and no worse than in Russia, but there are moments at least on the national question, Ukraine looks more decent than Russia. The attitude towards Russia is normal, although I am beginning to notice that we are trying to "turn up our nose" being in the same "bed". The problems of fools and roads are common, only their elections are more democratic than ours is a fact, the Putin-Medvedev option would not have passed there, and as for the ghetto, this is below the plinth, it's time for the author to stop drinking, even here you can see it.
  • Graaf
    Graaf 12 June 2013 16: 28
    -1
    I read the "little article" - I can't say otherwise! The fact that this is a commission is clear without words. This guy was definitely no further than the Moscow Ring Road, and certainly not in Ukraine. Moreover, he does not live in it and does not know all the ins and outs and the truth, for sure.
    But most of all I am "pleased" by the comments ... from the wishes and statements that Ukraine will soon be bent ... until we have to pick it up and that's it! Gentlemen, isn't it time to change the record? I read your komenty and my soul feels good, how good it is to live in Russia ... envy takes a lot! Aha! Only yesterday I arrived from a business trip to the glorious city of Moscow and decided to drop by to see my aunt (mother's sister) in Balabanovo, just a little from Moscow ... I dropped in and was surprised at "wealth and vitality" that I wanted to cry. I say, Aunt Galya - let me take you to us in Kiev, will you live with your mother? And she answered - and who will plow my garden? Yazh planted potatoes, cabbage, carrots there ... in winter it means you need to survive. The children have left, they live in other countries (Lithuania, Germany) - the grandchildren, respectively, in the same place. When asked whether to go to the children, she stunned me. Everything is bad for them, it is hard for them. And I'm fine! The pension is 8500 rubles, you can save. She has not seen sweets for 15 years, so for sure, she buys only the cheapest sausage, bread and milk, and on holidays she can afford to buy a set of bones to cook soup ... So do not write nonsense that living in Russia is better than in Ukraine. Yours is not true. For your reference, I was born, raised, school, Red Army, university - USSR! Yes, I am Russian, but I live in Ukraine and there is no need to write about my nationalism. And there are Nazis in Russia too ... Two countries are like two boots - a pair!
    Good luck in building your country, but not with clave, but with pens and head!
    Every day I read articles here, I like the site, but I do not like the statements are incorrect and frankly boorish. I could not stand it, I wrote ...
    1. escobar
      escobar 12 June 2013 17: 41
      -12 qualifying.
      Quote: GRAAF
      I read the "little article" - I can't say otherwise! The fact that this is a commission is clear without words. This guy was definitely no further than the Moscow Ring Road, and certainly not in Ukraine. Moreover, he does not live in it and does not know all the ins and outs and the truth, for sure.
      But most of all I am "pleased" by the comments ... from the wishes and statements that Ukraine will soon be bent ... until we have to pick it up and that's it! Gentlemen, isn't it time to change the record? I read your komenty and my soul feels good, how good it is to live in Russia ... envy takes a lot! Aha! Only yesterday I arrived from a business trip to the glorious city of Moscow and decided to drop by to see my aunt (mother's sister) in Balabanovo, just a little from Moscow ... I dropped in and was surprised at "wealth and vitality" that I wanted to cry. I say, Aunt Galya - let me take you to us in Kiev, will you live with your mother? And she answered - and who will plow my garden? Yazh planted potatoes, cabbage, carrots there ... in winter it means you need to survive. The children have left, they live in other countries (Lithuania, Germany) - the grandchildren, respectively, in the same place. When asked whether to go to the children, she stunned me. Everything is bad for them, it is hard for them. And I'm fine! The pension is 8500 rubles, you can save. She has not seen sweets for 15 years, so for sure, she buys only the cheapest sausage, bread and milk, and on holidays she can afford to buy a set of bones to cook soup ... So do not write nonsense that living in Russia is better than in Ukraine. Yours is not true. For your reference, I was born, raised, school, Red Army, university - USSR! Yes, I am Russian, but I live in Ukraine and there is no need to write about my nationalism. And there are Nazis in Russia too ... Two countries are like two boots - a pair!
      Good luck in building your country, but not with clave, but with pens and head!
      Every day I read articles here, I like the site, but I do not like the statements are incorrect and frankly boorish. I could not stand it, I wrote ...


      100% +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 12 June 2013 18: 01
      +8
      Quote: GRAAF

      So do not write nonsense that living in Russia is better than in Ukraine. Your untruth.


      In addition to your aunt and Balabanovo, there are other people and other villages in Russia.
      Last year I went to my sister in the Kirov region in the Urzhum district. They have a partnership instead of a collective farm, but there are not too many differences.
      The village is not a big courtyard 50, but the school 10-letka, hospital, a couple of shops and a church are still working. The people do not live richly, their houses are wooden, but fully furnished.
      There are cars in almost every yard.
      The sister has an old Moskvich-412 and a tractor Belarus, a plot of 2 ha, a cow, a goby, pigs, sheep, geese, hens, rabbits, all 54 heads of cattle and poultry and an apiary 8 hives.
      Sister with her husband in retirement receive 8-10 thousand rubles of pension. A son with his wife and two children lives and works right there in the village, his daughter studies in Kirov.
      But this is in the poor Kirov region in the north, and in the southern regions of the village there are more villages and richer people.
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 12 June 2013 18: 19
        +3
        Because the collective farm is one of the forms of partnership. And richer especially farther south and do not, just drop into our neighboring Tatarstan. :)
    3. Avenger711
      Avenger711 12 June 2013 18: 22
      +3
      The two countries are similar, but only in ours they live many times better. And someone's grandmother there is not an indicator. In general, they always do this when there is nothing to hide and look for an exception to the rule.
    4. domokl
      domokl 12 June 2013 19: 16
      +7
      Quote: GRAAF
      . So do not write nonsense that living in Russia is better than in Ukraine. Your untruth. For reference, I was born, grew up, school, Red Army, university - USSR! Yes, I am Russian, but I live in Ukraine and do not need to write about my nationalism. And there are Nazis in Russia ... Two countries are like two boots - a pair!

      I also read the comments before yours. And I got a strange feeling that I was on Privoz ... Arguments like -And put on glasses, myself, it's from there.
      Why argue on topics that are chronically unsolvable? It is clear that Russia is better for Russians, Ukraine for Ukrainians. But there is one excellent criterion for resolving this dispute-Just see who goes where to work ... Ukrainians go to Russia, but for some reason they don’t go to Tajikistan or Kyrgyzstan. Conclusion? In Russia they live better, and in Tajikistan it is worse than in Ukraine.
      And on the issue of bias towards Ukraine, guys, write an article about the charms of your country, about Ukrainians. We will discuss it. Only here is that I have not seen such articles. A very correct thought flashed in one of the comments-Guys, is it time to take responsibility for your own country? And not to look for those to blame in Russia, the USA or the EU? Isn't it time to decide who you are and where you are. These comments show that the thesis of the brotherhood of Slavic peoples began to fail ...
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 12 June 2013 22: 39
        -6
        Quote: domokl
        But there is one excellent criterion for resolving this dispute-Just see who and where is going to work ... Ukrainians go to Russia, but for some reason do not go to Tajikistan or Kyrgyzstan. Conclusion? They live better in Russia, and worse in Tajikistan than in Ukraine .

        There is a close relative to me, a mason ... After the collapse of the USSR, in 90-95 they traveled with a brigade to Poland ... from 95 to 2000 to Russia ... From 2000 to Konchu-Zaspu).
        P.S. More dysfunctional people go to Russia to earn money ... and for a long time, again mostly Zapadentsy (well, those who live near the border ... shuttle)
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 15 June 2013 00: 18
          0
          Quote: Corneli
          There is a close relative to me, a mason ... After the collapse of the USSR, in 90-95 they traveled with a brigade to Poland ... from 95 to 2000 to Russia ... From 2000 to Konchu-Zaspu).
          P.S. More dysfunctional people go to Russia to earn money ... and for a long time, again mostly Zapadentsy (well, those who live near the border ... shuttle)

          Cool ... "- 6" Is it like the competitors of the "vueks" are passing by?) laughing
    5. biglow
      biglow 12 June 2013 19: 39
      +4
      Graaf
      The author of the article, Lunev, lives in the city of Lviv. You can even find out his address on the Internet.
    6. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 12 June 2013 21: 16
      +2
      I read your comment and am still crying. Yeah, I'm sorry for your aunt .... Just do you know, more often than not, such aunts have 150 thousand under the mattress after death. Examples of darkness. My distant relative also walks in bots "goodbye youth" and in winter and summer and in a coat of pre-war issue. But I bought dietary supplements for 200 thousand. And she complains that she eats one bread and barley without butter ... Stop talking nonsense. I already wrote that my husband and I have a combined pension- 15 thousand We eat normally, we buy clothes, shoes, we keep a car and a cat with a dog. We don't forget our grandchildren. And we drink tea with candy and coffee in the morning. And the first with meat is always, and the second. And we also buy fruits and vegetables. all year round ... So your aunt is dark, sorry.
  • tor11121
    tor11121 12 June 2013 16: 33
    +2
    as for the article. there are enough problems everywhere. but the fact that Ukraine is over. , this author has bent. I don’t believe in Ukraine as in Russia. there was and will be a future. too great is the history and heritage of essentially one people. from time to time that they try to breed.
  • revera92
    revera92 12 June 2013 16: 36
    +7
    It’s just not always pleasant on the part of RUSSIAN people, brothers, Ukrainophobia. Like you are a crest, your country is, and you are a traitor to all Russian. I think in Russian, I read Russian classics. Politics is nonsense. That's exactly at such moments in history need the support of Russia.
    1. FC SKIF
      FC SKIF 12 June 2013 16: 48
      +4
      I agree completely. There is no support and protection for a Russian person outside the borders of the Russian Federation.
    2. Rattenfanger
      Rattenfanger 12 June 2013 19: 51
      +4
      I spoke at one Ukrainian autoforum. We got it with the question "you have Grant in Raschkeyuzayut what reviews. "Not in Russia. In Raska.Just so ... Ordinary ... Ukrainophilia in Russia is a Forever, I suppose, after all your outbreaks with gas, Black Sea Fleet, Russian, etc.?
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 12 June 2013 16: 38
    +8
    Everything artificial sooner or later perishes, disappears. So it will be with the "Ukraine" project.
  • piotr534
    piotr534 12 June 2013 16: 38
    +9
    You can renounce your Russianness, call yourself even a German, even a Japanese, but you can’t stop being Russian.
    Gold words!!! Very accurately noticed.
  • Arrogant
    Arrogant 12 June 2013 16: 53
    10
    My wife is Ukrainian, she worked as a leading specialist in PFU of Khmelnitsky, often at work and at weekends, she received 1000 hryvnias a month, which is about 4000 rubles. Now in Russia, she has temporarily got a job in a salary store of 20-25 thousand. something back she is not particularly eager to return.
    As for where it’s better where it’s worse, you can argue for a long time, but I think if everything was better in Ukraine, then the people wouldn’t ride their old men for years and wip their asses and change diapers for years.
  • zennon
    zennon 12 June 2013 17: 04
    14
    Ukraine should simply be left alone. In no case should we try to teach, treat, etc. Let them live as they want. We need to clearly define our priorities. In relation to Ukraine, this is the return of Crimea and Donbas. Accurate and timely payment for gas. Behave strictly on a business basis. And how are they there, let them have a headache. They chose "independence" - a flag in their hands, a drum on their neck. Let them come and be friends wherever they want and with whom they want. Otherwise they will say again : “This is all m.s.k.a.l.i!” Do not get me wrong. I understand that we were one people. I have no complaints about Ukrainians. I personally don’t divide us. But THEY have chosen their own path of development. They will want to return, great brothers! No, the road is like a tablecloth!
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  • krez-74
    krez-74 12 June 2013 17: 07
    +9
    Three alcoholics, with the tacit consent of millions of sheep, shared what had been collected for centuries! Many blame the West, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the system in the Soviet Union, but none of these "smart people" blame themselves for the fact that they only know how to tacitly graze!
    Ukraine will collapse and fall apart! Then they will take up Russia ...
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 12 June 2013 17: 42
      +1
      Quote: krez-74
      Three alcoholics, with the tacit consent of millions of sheep, shared what had been collected for centuries! Many blame the West, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the system in the Soviet Union, but none of these "smart people" blame themselves for the fact that they only know how to tacitly graze!
      Ukraine will collapse and fall apart! Then they will take up Russia ...


      The people of the USSR are not rams and have never been, none of the three drunks asked their opinions. The people were confronted with the fact.
      How could ordinary people not allow Bialowieza betrayal? Each has its own place in life and the level of awareness corresponds to the place.
      From E-burg to Belovezhskaya Pushcha there are more than 3000 km, to Moscow almost 2000 km, you can’t easily escape.
      You can, of course, protest in the E-burg, but whoever hooks it, you walk around, freeze until you get tired, and go home.
      In order to influence politics, one must be a politician, a leader with the support and strength of the people, and this will not be achieved in a year or two, especially since there is no unity among the people.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 12 June 2013 17: 29
    11
    It is difficult for the Great Russians to understand the Ukrainians, because the Russians were always independent, independent and despised the impoverished semi-wild heretics of Europeans.
    The 300 years of the Catholic Polish occupation infected many Ukrainians with irrational Russophobia and a specific Polish ambition that prevented Poland from rallying in the 15-17 century and becoming a great power.
    The dreams of Ukrainians about paradise life, as in Europe, could not come true, because there is no and never was paradise Europe. No matter how beautiful the enameled night pot seems to be, inside it is no better than a clay one.
    There are no miracles, one cannot adopt what is not and never was.
    1. domokl
      domokl 12 June 2013 19: 26
      +4
      Quote: Corsair5912
      It is difficult for the Great Russians to understand the Ukrainians, because the Russians were always independent, independent and despised the impoverished semi-wild heretics of Europeans.

      The USSR played the role of a mixer perfectly ... The peoples mixed up and it’s not serious to talk about Great Russians now. And we are close to talking about the situation in Ukraine simply because the Soviet sourdough has remained. We will remind Ukraine as brothers. Only now we are fewer and fewer. We are dying out .. And the new generation recalls brotherhood only when something is necessary .. Both Ukrainians and Russians ...
    2. Conepatus
      Conepatus 12 June 2013 20: 09
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: Corsair5912
      It is difficult for the Great Russians to understand the Ukrainians, because the Russians were always independent, independent and despised the impoverished semi-wild heretics of Europeans.
      The 300 years of the Catholic Polish occupation infected many Ukrainians with irrational Russophobia and a specific Polish ambition that prevented Poland from rallying in the 15-17 century and becoming a great power.
      The dreams of Ukrainians about paradise life, as in Europe, could not come true, because there is no and never was paradise Europe. No matter how beautiful the enameled night pot seems to be, inside it is no better than a clay one.
      There are no miracles, one cannot adopt what is not and never was.


      Always been independent and despised the poor?
      In 1861, serfdom was abolished !!!
      Or your serfs hired poverty from Europe, so that she worked for them, and meanwhile they shopped in city shops?
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 12 June 2013 20: 15
        +8
        Quote: Conepatus
        In 1861, serfdom was abolished !!!

        Google when in the bastion of democracy, the US abolished slavery. And (at the same time) find out when the Balts were allowed to appear in cities. And who lived in the same Tallinn, Riga, etc. Yes, and in Lviv, for that matter

        Slavery was abolished after the end of the Civil War of 1861-1865 and the adoption of the Thirteenth Amendment to the US Constitution in December 1865, effectively putting an end to slavery in the United States, making it illegal and unconstitutional. The last state to ratify this amendment is only in 2013 yearwas mississippi
        http://rus.ruvr.ru/2013_02_19/Otmena-rabstva-v-SSHA-luchshe-pozdno-chem-nikogda/
        1. Conepatus
          Conepatus 12 June 2013 20: 23
          -6
          Your forum member wrote that the Great Russians (even looks like Aryans, aren’t they?) Always independent and independent. Moreover, they despised the poor.
          I have proven that this is not so.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 12 June 2013 22: 13
            +5
            Quote: Conepatus
            Your forum member
            My? belay I do not own serf forum users, here you were mistaken request
            A serfdom in Russia was from 1597 to 1861. As much as two and a half centuries out of just over 1000 years of known history. And with a series of constant riots. Apparently, they loved it so much that they constantly rebelled. By the way, where did the British under King Jacob put the arrested? Wasn't the Caribbean colony sold into slavery? And who were the main slaveholders there, not the British? That's really the light of democracy lol
            1. Conepatus
              Conepatus 12 June 2013 22: 42
              -3
              You better tell me when there was such a time, when the WELL-BOUNDED RUSSIANS lived so well and independently that they saw the poor.
              I do not need about England and America.
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 12 June 2013 23: 14
                +1
                Quote: Conepatus
                that the poor have seen.
                Is always. But not beggars despised, but begging system itself... Only those who were mournful of reason had the right to be picked. And even those - most often in churches. No matter how hard a person may have lived, begging was NOT ACCEPTED, SHAME. But that from European literature not a dump, there even a nobleman, disguised, went to beg it was not at all shameful. And this despite the fact that they have never lived too well in practice, too often envious neighbors bothered ... request
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 12 June 2013 17: 29
    +1
    Nobody drives Ukraine into the USSR .. We need to be friends simply .. primarily the military .. !!
    1. svp67
      svp67 12 June 2013 19: 29
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Nobody drives Ukraine into the USSR .. We need to be friends simply .. primarily the military .. !!
      Do we have juntas in power? First of all, industrialists should be friends, and politicians should do everything so that this friendship only grows stronger ...
  • Komodo
    Komodo 12 June 2013 17: 32
    +1
    Guys Hare swear, go to the ONF website to register.
    http://onf.ru/
  • individual
    individual 12 June 2013 17: 34
    +6
    The article is sharp.
    An article about the collapse product of the USSR.
    But it must be said that the USSR was divided according to living, according to administrative, then meaningless borders. The princes seized power - in the wake of nationalism, they held the first elections (referendum) and squeezed the will of the people under themselves, both in Russia, and in Belarus, and in Kazakhstan, and in the described Ukraine.
    Now they got what they got.
  • suharev-52
    suharev-52 12 June 2013 17: 35
    +6
    The problems are the same. Only in Ukraine, they are more naked, since they do not have greasy raw materials and money from the sale of natural wealth. So do not poke at the brothers and pour mud on them. We are all sitting, after the collapse of the USSR, in one garbage pit. Sincerely.
  • USNik
    USNik 12 June 2013 17: 41
    +7
    In general, I agree with the material, but in particular, as a Ukrainian, I would like to note that in Ukraine there is everything the same as in Russia: moronic militant opposition, financial (stock) dependence on capitalists, theft, bribery, crime. .. Although there is no oil and gas in Ukraine, there are also no "hot spots" where soldiers are shot and killed every week, and this, sadly enough, is the merit of the ruling clan of the Professor. In general, you can live, but the vector of movement and future elections are alarming.
  • maxbrov74
    maxbrov74 12 June 2013 18: 01
    +6
    White Today, 17: 08 ↑
    If you yourself had traveled to Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Uzhgorod to Bukovel, for example, you yourself were convinced of this. These are all tourist cities and western Ukraine itself lives in the majority with tourism, therefore there they treat everyone well, tourism is obligatory. The proximity to Europe affects the mentality of the people there are very cultural and tolerant.


    That is, judging by everything, the farther we are from your Europe, the more we look like gopniks and stupid infinite. Dear, you are thoroughly tolerant and cultural. Where did such fascist ideas come from in your undoubtedly civilized head? Have you ever read Mein Kampfa, my dear?
  • wartop
    wartop 12 June 2013 18: 10
    -1
    The author in my opinion went too far
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 12 June 2013 23: 11
      0
      Quote: wartop
      The author in my opinion went too far

      Lightly to spice up the passions in the comments lol
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  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 12 June 2013 18: 25
    0
    This article was originally on WiM. And there are quite delivering comments.
    http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/commentaries/view/80748/page=1/
  • os9165
    os9165 12 June 2013 18: 27
    +5
    If we compare Ukraine and Russia, then they can be compared with a bottle of Borjomi, one with gas and the other without. I must say honestly Ukraine without Russia will be hard.
    1. UFO
      UFO 12 June 2013 19: 32
      +2
      And all this reminds me of the relationship of my daughters: the older one has more opportunities and experience, and the younger one is more cunning, but also not a child. And both are not 100% independent. I look at their squabbles I think what it looks like .....? lol
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 12 June 2013 23: 30
        +1
        Quote: UFO
        And both are not independent on 100%.

        Hint that Russia is not independent in conducting externally and within political courses? Do not confuse anything? Take a closer look, maybe you missed in assessing the capabilities of Russia and Ukraine?
  • Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 12 June 2013 18: 33
    +4
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    before writing something about a country and its people, travel around this country and live there a little.

    The author of the article, Sergey Lunev, lives in Kiev. Or (cheers! Reds in the city!) Kiev is no longer Ukraine? belay
  • vkrav
    vkrav 12 June 2013 18: 39
    +1
    Well, if the author went too far ..
    However, it is precisely the position of Ukraine, which especially in recent years allowed EU officials to behave with us like a pan with a bad slave, and has led to the fact that in their eyes our second-rate is no longer in doubt.

    This is Medvedchuk - she’s still a bastard, but she doesn’t lose her sense of reality ...
    Totally here:
    http://vybor.ua/article/vneshnjaja_politika/ukrainu-uje-lishili-suvereniteta.htm
    l

    For some reason, the direct transition to the page does not work
  • 3dmaxsev
    3dmaxsev 12 June 2013 18: 53
    +4
    Guys, let's live together, stop arguing, the US State Department approves of this. Strength is in our unity.
  • Skif65
    Skif65 12 June 2013 18: 59
    -5
    Russia and Ukraine are two sisters, only one with an oil and gas pipe, but the other is not ...
    Take the pipe from Russia and get Ukraine in Russia.
    Extinct villages, ruined agriculture, stagnant economy.
    And buy and sell everywhere ...
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 12 June 2013 22: 04
      +1
      Netushki, Russia, at least, doesn’t name itself incomprehensibly by whom and its policy is not worth it just to spite. The pipe is a myth, in Russia oil is 10 times less than in Saudi Arabia per capita.
  • Bezarius
    Bezarius 12 June 2013 18: 59
    +7
    Yahs, what is there to argue that, in the days of the USSR, the Ukrainian SSR was one of the richest republics, and now?
  • DimYang
    DimYang 12 June 2013 19: 00
    +4
    I agree with the author on some things. In particular, that Ukraine as a state can exist only in close ties with Russia. Without it, it will quickly disappear, which in general is already very noticeable with the naked eye (I can say the same about Belarus). It is better for us to be together with Russia than with Europe. Do some people think that rotten, dying Europe needs us? (Well, maybe only as cannon fodder or for organs). They have fewer and fewer opportunities to live at our expense. And besides, climate change is not in their favor. The most interesting thing is that in Europe, that in the United States, Ukrainians are called Russians. Maybe this is what Ukraine needs to fight against? So I think, if a referendum is held in the state of Ukraine (only honestly) on joining Russia and restoring the status of the Russian language as a native language for the majority of the population, the result will most likely not be on the side of the "independent". In general, I wish the citizens of Ukraine to get rid of "crap" and other crooks of all stripes and live without shocks. I wish Russia the same, but I will not leave Belarus without the same wishes. And then somehow one citizen got tired. But we will not name anyone's names. We live in troubled times.
  • Skif65
    Skif65 12 June 2013 19: 00
    11
    In Alchevsk he greeted the seller in Ukrainian, and in response to me: "do not talk to me in Ukrainian, I hate it ..."
    So much for United Ukraine !!!
    1. biglow
      biglow 12 June 2013 19: 44
      +7
      Skif65
      you still speak Ukrainian in Sevastopol, learn a lot of new things. laughing
      1. Skif65
        Skif65 12 June 2013 20: 30
        0
        What, in Sevastopol, too, "Dolbonosikov" enough ...?
        1. biglow
          biglow 12 June 2013 20: 49
          +7
          in Sevastopol, Ukrainian and Bendera people are not very fond of, and they can make faces for the Ukrainian dialect. Therefore, such jokes do not work here. Galician residents here usually either keep quiet or speak Russian. lol
          1. Skif65
            Skif65 12 June 2013 20: 59
            -3
            So I say that you also have enough "DOLBONOSIKOV", they are not people, but idiots, and maybe even clients of a mental hospital ...
            My Homeland is the Lugansk Region, since 1987 I have been living in St. Petersburg, but I know the Ukrainian language and am not ashamed to speak it when I come to Ukraine.
            I see no reason to hate the language: Zaporizhzhy Kozakiv, Taras Shevchenko, Mikoli Gogol and those ...
            And on my father I am Russian, but I am not ashamed that I was born and raised in Ukraine !!!
            And both grandfathers have been lying on the banks of the Dnieper since 1943: on the left Grebenyuk, and on the right Korovin ...
            And to such morons as the seller of the store and your Sevastopol and the same half-witted in Western Ukraine, God is a judge ...
            1. zennon
              zennon 12 June 2013 21: 23
              +4
              Quote: Skif65

              I see no reason to hate the language: Zaporizhzhy Kozakiv, Taras Shevchenko, Mikoli Gogol and those ...

              Nikolai Vasilievich Gogol is a Russian writer. He repeatedly spoke about this himself. There is only one letter written by him in Ukrainian to a Polish priest. Yes, a Ukrainian, was born in Ukraine. But in those days it meant only a region of the country. Language? Well, he also knew Italian to perfection. Even wrote a phrase book for travelers.
              1. Skif65
                Skif65 12 June 2013 21: 40
                -3
                Bullshit!!!
                Vladimir Volfovich also calls himself Russian ...
                1. zennon
                  zennon 12 June 2013 21: 53
                  +4
                  Quote: Skif65
                  Bullshit!!!
                  Vladimir Volfovich also calls himself Russian ...

                  Filter the bazaar! Written by a Russian writer! Yes Ukrainian. Nabokov was an American writer. Russian by nationality.
                  1. Skif65
                    Skif65 12 June 2013 22: 08
                    -7
                    I am always responsible for the bazaar !!!
                    Whatever Nikolay Vasilievich would call himself, but he was Ukrainian !!!
                    Taras Shevchenko’s paintings are exhibited in Russian museums and he created in St. Petersburg and his first grave in the Smolensky cemetery in St. Petersburg ..
                    But this does not prevent him from being a GREAT UKRAINIAN POET and an ARTIST !!!
                    From wretchedness and emotional poverty, all our troubles are that in Russia and in Ukraine .......
                    1. zennon
                      zennon 12 June 2013 22: 16
                      +5
                      Skif65
                      Do you know how to read? Twice it is written-UKRAINIAN! But the writer is Russian! He never wrote in Ukrainian! I consider him the greatest writer and I know his works very well. So address this to yourself! "From wretchedness and mental poverty all our troubles Russia that in Ukraine ....... "By the way, read what is written below from biglow. A person in the temme!
            2. biglow
              biglow 12 June 2013 21: 24
              +7
              you live in Russia and you just don’t understand a lot of what is happening in Ukraine and the reasons why people began to hate the same Ukrainian language. It started by the way not so long ago and with the coming of Yushchenko to power. If we living in the Russian-speaking region began to impose Galician culture and a language that we don’t have. So people react like that. And it’s not about Taras Shchevchenko and Gogol who is considered a foreign writer in Ukraine, but that it is imposed on people. Why do we need the Ukrainian language? there is no answer to this. This is a rural dialect spread to parts of Ukraine, let it remain there and to impose it where it has never been is stupid. Here you have such a reaction.
              1. Skif65
                Skif65 12 June 2013 21: 46
                -6
                I tell you about Thomas, and you tell me about Yeryoma ...
                Hatred of the language of the country of which you are a citizen, here is the answer to all the troubles.
                There is simply no country ..................
          2. Avenger711
            Avenger711 12 June 2013 22: 02
            +4
            And so it is. When all Little Russians begin to consider themselves Little Russians, as before, then Ukraine will have a future, if only as part of the next Russian Empire.
        2. xan
          xan 13 June 2013 23: 25
          0
          Quote: Skif65
          What, in Sevastopol, too, "Dolbonosikov" enough ...?

          you are not the case with a big-eyed?
          very much like
    2. Conepatus
      Conepatus 12 June 2013 20: 47
      -7
      And you spend your vacation in Chechnya. Is this Russia?
      1. zennon
        zennon 12 June 2013 21: 26
        +2
        Quote: Conepatus
        And you spend your vacation in Chechnya. Is this Russia?

        Yes, I myself speak about it every time. We contain this abscess ...
        1. Conepatus
          Conepatus 12 June 2013 21: 55
          -4
          The main thing is that in Ukraine, the so-called Galicians and Bandera people are much less than in Russia "friends" from the Caucasus, but for some reason everyone only notices what we have.
          Ideal Bandera people are people of advanced age. Young people there (in Bandera parties) are usually for money. Not for an idea.
          And the so-called Galicians, so it’s completely unintelligible to anyone. There are Romanians and Hungarians and Czechs, Poles, well, without them. And there are Hutsuls, bodily. Yes, they don’t speak Russian, they don’t speak Ukrainian either. do they know these languages ​​and what now, cut them out for it?
    3. Avenger711
      Avenger711 12 June 2013 22: 03
      0
      A few more years and maybe they will take Kalash.
      1. Conepatus
        Conepatus 12 June 2013 22: 19
        -3
        Who can take for Kalash?
  • Skif65
    Skif65 12 June 2013 19: 04
    +5
    Quote: Bezarius
    Yahs, what is there to argue that, in the days of the USSR, the Ukrainian SSR was one of the richest republics, and now?

    Now-steal !!!
    As "Batko" is not unambiguous, but coming to Belarus to visit relatives in the Brest region, it is all the same nice to see live farms, and not a swan in place of farms as in Ukraine ...
  • kind
    kind 12 June 2013 19: 04
    +6
    Yesterday I called my relatives in Ukraine and asked what was going on there. They were very surprised and asked: "What are you talking about?" I began to tell them about the EU, the CU and how difficult it is for them to live in Ukraine, and they answered me: “Those who have nothing to do will get dirty with the Internet. Come visit us this summer and see what and how on the spot. Everything is fine with us. , everything is working!!!" In August I will go, take a look, and from the point of view of an uninterested layman I will write an article for your discussion.
  • Rjn
    Rjn 12 June 2013 19: 05
    +7
    The fact is that the Galicians are not Ukrainians and have never been, just listen to their barking, supposedly Ukrainian dialect and compare with a completely different Ukrainian language of central Ukraine. But now they are puffing out their cheeks and trying to pose as the titular nation. And when there is nothing more to be proud of, they begin to flaunt nationality, gender, etc., i.e. qualities independent of them and given by nature.
  • heathen
    heathen 12 June 2013 19: 12
    +3
    Ukrainian-speaking citizens ... they look ridiculous, like tourists

    Ukraine does not put its own language? Why? What kind of bias?

    Kiev was never able to corrupt provincialism, despite its metropolitan status.

    On the taste and color, as they say ... On the contrary, I like this provincialism more than gloss and brilliance.

    Ukraine can exist indefinitely if there is the mercy of external forces. Crisis, default, hunger, cold - all this can happen, but nowhere to run?

    That's right.

    Just think, over the years of independence, Ukraine lost about seven million people without wars and "famines"! More than five million are looking for happiness beyond its borders and will never return home of their own free will.

    And this is the inescapable pain of Ukraine. And I hope that those who allowed this will not go unpunished. Unfortunately, few Ukrainians even think about this.
    Even in 1932-33 in Ukraine (I write "on" deliberately, although it is customary to write "v" here. 20 years of nezalezhnost until I was not convinced) there was a positive population growth.


    If Ukraine had a large coat of arms, then the motto should be written on it: "We believe in lies because we are afraid to admit the truth."

    This is a misfortune not only in Ukraine, although such trends are also strong here.

    All of Ukraine, from its past to the present, is a big lie.

    But this phrase itself is a lie. If it weren’t (and several other undeserved attacks), I would plus this article. And so I leave it unrated.

    In Ukraine, someone else is always to blame

    Often. Even too much. But not always.

    Even nationalists talk about the collapse of the Ukrainian project, they see only its reasons in the current government, again in yah, and not imposed by external management.

    Then I agree. But external management will impose everything on Ukraine. Until she becomes strong.
  • Turner
    Turner 12 June 2013 19: 21
    -2
    This is the flag of whose country with the letters SU?
  • Freem2012
    Freem2012 12 June 2013 19: 24
    +5
    Back in 2005, when he was a student, while in Germany he talked with a Ukrainian from western Ukraine. He understood Russian well, but explained in Ukrainian, so I understood it with difficulty at first. After 6 months, he began to speak excellent Russian.
    He studied in Lviv, he himself was from the village. According to his stories, then life in Ukraine was not very good, the scholarship was five times less than ours, and finding a job was a problem. In summer, students traveled to Kiev, and whoever was lucky in Moscow to earn money. His father worked in agriculture and received, if translated into rubles, about 1500 per month. Many went to Poland for used equipment brought, repaired, resold.
    The guy was positive: respectable, technically savvy.
    Then he really hoped for the Orange Revolution, for the fact that with the advent of Yushchenko, life would become better.