Military Review

In form - the army, but in fact - a caricature

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The peculiarities of the local mentality make official Tbilisi almost insurmountable difficulties in the construction of combat-ready armed forces.


In No. 34 for 2010, the weekly MIC weekly gave a fairly complete description of the Georgian armed forces. Despite significant budgetary injections, foreign aid, the combat capability of the national army is in doubt. The desire to shed blood for one’s homeland, to fight on the battlefield to the death cannot be bought on the market, these qualities have been brought up in nations for centuries. That is why the return of Abkhazia and South Ossetia by military means Tbilisi will not succeed. We offer our readers a modern assessment of the military potential of the republic.

President Mikhail Saakashvili, whose term in power ends in October 2013 of the year, in January at the Academy of Defense in Gori, demonstrating a slingshot, said that she was a symbol of equipping the Georgian armed forces to 2004 of the year. According to him, today, on the contrary, the army has all the components of weapons - air and ground defense systems, armored vehicles and, most importantly, a joint program with the US for supplying the national armed forces with modern Western technology. The new government of Bidzina Ivanishvili also does not refuse to increase military spending.

Background

In modern Georgia, it is considered that the national armed forces history from the army of the Georgian Democratic Republic, proclaimed 26 May 1918. Her successor is the current Georgian state. The army of the republic began with the People's Guard of Georgia, created in the spring of 1917, as a militia from the Georgian troops of the Caucasian Front and the 2 of the Georgian division formed on its basis.

In form - the army, but in fact - a caricatureIn April, the regular Georgian troops, supported by the police and partisans, stopped the advance of the Turkish forces along the Choloki River. In 1918 – 1918, the army conducted military operations against the troops of the Republic of Armenia and against the Bolshevik detachments in Abkhazia. In the summer of 1919, they occupied Tuapse and Sochi, but were knocked out from there, first by the Soviet, and then by the troops of General Denikin. 1918 May 7 in Moscow signed a peace treaty between the RSFSR and Georgia. The latter was recognized as an independent de jure with the inclusion in its structure of the Tiflis, Kutaisi, Batumi provinces with all their counties and counties, as well as the Zakatal and Sukhum districts and part of the Black Sea province (south of the Psou River). Soviet Russia pledged not to interfere in the internal affairs of Georgia. When the Soviet 1920 Army invaded Georgia in February 11, the Georgian forces resisted stubbornly, but were forced to surrender under the pressure of the superior forces of March 1921.

The history of the army of modern Georgia actually begins on December 20 1990, when the National Guard (NG) was created, headed by Tengiz Kitovani (according to one of the first decrees of Zviad Gamsakhurdia, who headed the Georgian SSR 14 on November 1990). The army in 1991 – 1993 participated in the civil war against supporters of Zviad Gamsakhurdia, as well as in wars with South Ossetia and Abkhazia. In the country, 274 is now thousands of refugees from these republics.

The number of sun - 20 655 people. In SV - 19 077, in NG, which also submits to the Ministry of Defense, - 1578.

The army is recruited at the call and at the expense of volunteers. The term of service on conscription - 15 months. The draft age is from 18 to 34 years. About three-quarters of the personnel are contract servicemen. The number of males between the ages 16 and 49 in 2010 was estimated to be 1081 in a thousand people, of which 893 were considered fit for military service. Every year, thousands of men reach 29,7 military age. Due to delays in the payment of salaries, unrest has repeatedly occurred in the Georgian army. In April, 2012 was announced to re-create the system of units of reservists, the total number of which by 2012 was 70 thousand people and should be increased to 150 thousand in the future.

The commander in chief is the president. The operational control of troops is carried out by the Chief of the Joint Staff, and the Minister of Defense is engaged in financing and supplying the army. The military doctrine of Georgia’s National Military Strategy, adopted in 2005, considers Russian military bases in Abkhazia and South Ossetia to be a security threat, as well as the existence of these unrecognized republics, as well as instability in the Russian North Caucasus. It is particularly emphasized that the military strategy of Georgia is entirely aimed at "the achievement by the Georgian national armed forces of full compatibility with NATO standards." Joining the alliance is Georgia’s main foreign policy goal in terms of security, and NATO countries are considered allies. At the same time, the country's leadership recognizes the impossibility of resolving conflicts with Abkhazia and South Ossetia by military means.

Military spending is estimated at 1,9 percent of GDP. In the 2012 year - 300,2 million dollars at the official exchange rate and 503,9 million dollars at purchasing power parity. In January, a Charter on Strategic Partnership was signed between Georgia and the United States by 2009, in accordance with which the latter committed themselves to modernizing the Georgian army and increasing the level of the country's defense.

Ground troops

In CB 4057 recruits. The rest are officers and contractors. Ground forces include a team of special forces, five legkopehotnyh (motorized mountain infantry) brigade, two amphibious battalion (one of them - the cropped), two artillery brigades, one engineering brigade, battalion communications, intercept Service Battalion, Military Police Battalion, Medical Battalion. SV combined into two operational command - East and West.

In service are 93 tank T-72 (three more T-72 and 23 T-55 in conservation), 17 BMP-1, 45 BMP-2, one BMP-1K (eight BMP-1 and one BMP-2 in conservation), 45 MT-LB (21 MT-LB in conservation), 25 BTR-70 (one BTR-70 in conservation), 17 BTR-80 (2 BTR-80 in conservation), 50 BTR Ejder made in Turkey (15 BTR Ejder in conservation).

The artillery is armed with 32 152-mm self-propelled howitzer guns DANA (Czechoslovak production), 13 152-mm SAU 2C3, one 152-mm SAU 2C19 "Msta-S", 55 122-the-one-one -Y-one SAN 30-30 SAU 152-SAN 2 SAU 36 152 self-propelled guns. in conservation), three 2-mm 65А13 guns, ten 120-how-to-man-to-behowers of the company to operate the XIUMX, 2 12-x of the mortars of the 21-120, 75 122-mm of the M-120-mm, nine of the 2-of the X-NUMX-12-13-1 and nine M-75 in conservation). MLRS: 120 13-mm BM-122, six 21-mm Grad-Lar (Israeli production), 122 18-mm RM-122 (Czechoslovak production). Anti-tank armament: ten anti-tank "Kombat" (Ukrainian production) and 70 40-mm anti-tank guns D-85 and 48-mm anti-tank guns MT-100.

Aviation (one aviation and one helicopter base) and air defense organizationally are part of the SV. The number of Air Force - 1310 people, including 290 draftees. Armament: three Su-25 attack aircraft, seven Su-25K, two Su-25UB, six transport An-2, two Yak-40, one Tu-134A (VIP) and nine training L-39s, as well as 29 transport helicopters Mi-17ST and 12 Bell 205 Iroquois. Repair of aircraft is made at the Tbilisi Aviation Plant. Georgian planes and helicopters did not participate in the 2008 war.

The air defense forces consist of two divisions of the 9K37 “Buk-1М” air defense system, eight 9K33 “Osa-AK” (two batteries), ten 9K33 “Osa-AKM” and several “Strela-9” air defense missile systems (35K10). There are four stations of electronic intelligence "Kolchuga". Georgia has a number of Israeli-made Elbit Hermes 450 and Skylark UAVs. According to foreign experts, the anti-tank defense of the Georgian army turned out to be weak during the “five-day war” with Russia in August of 2008, while the air defense forces showed themselves much better.

Georgian officers are trained in the United States, Turkey and other NATO countries, as well as at the David Agmashenebeli Academy of National Defense of Georgia in Gori. One Academy course has 150 people. The army is trained by instructors from NATO countries, mainly from the USA and Turkey.

Guard and other formations

In NG are the so-called active reservists who are regularly called up for military training. They are united in 1-th light infantry (motorized) brigade.

All military formations outside the Ministry of Defense are subject to the Ministry of the Interior. The latter includes the Border Guard (5400 people) and the troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (6300).

Coast Guard - as part of the border guards. 17 patrol vessels are armed with her, including one Kaan patrol ship, seven Beetle patrol boats (three supplied by Ukraine), two Point-type boats of American construction, two Greek-style Dilos boats, two Dauntless boats of American construction , one boat "Ahmeta". Another about 20 patrol boats are under repair at the shipyards of Batumi and Poti. There is one landing self-propelled barge "Otter" of Bulgarian construction and one supply vessel. The main naval base is Poti, the second naval base is Batumi.

As part of the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan (ISAF) - one Georgian infantry battalion of 937 men. Due to the constant rotation of a significant part of the military gains combat experience. In addition, one military observer is in the OSCE mission and five in Kosovo.

Abkhazia and South Ossetia

There are two Russian motorized rifle brigades with a total of 6900 people on the territory of the unrecognized republics uncontrolled by Georgia. In Abkhazia, Russian troops are based in Gudauta, and in South Ossetia - in Java and Tskhinval.

There are no official data on the composition and armament of the armies of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. They are formed on the basis of universal military service. According to some estimates, the number of the Abkhaz army is about five thousand people. About five thousand more are in the troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, security services, border guards and customs. The troops of Abkhazia comprise several motorized rifle regiments, a reconnaissance battalion, an artillery regiment, air defense units, two or three anti-tank missile battalions, and several special task forces. There are several dozen T-55 and T-72, BMP-1 and BMP-2, BTR-70 and BTR-80 tanks, as well as several BRDM-2 and BMD-1, MLRS BM-21 Grad, self-propelled and towed artillery. There are several Mi-17, Mi-8 and Mi-24P helicopters. The commander in chief is the President of Abkhazia, the operational command of the troops is carried out by the Chief of General Staff, and the Ministry of Defense is in charge of supply issues.

The army of South Ossetia does not exceed 1250 people. Another 890 person listed as part of the border service. The troops of South Ossetia have a certain amount of artillery and armored vehicles.

In the South Caucasus region, Georgian troops are inferior in number to the armies of Azerbaijan and Armenia, and in terms of the availability of weapons and military equipment to Azerbaijan. However, both of these countries are not considered by Georgia as potential adversaries. Georgian troops outnumber Abkhazia and South Ossetia in numbers and weapons, but the military conflict with them without the participation of Russian troops seems absolutely incredible, and as the experience of the five-day war 2008 shows, Georgian troops are not able to withstand the Russian forces for a long time.
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  1. esaul
    esaul 12 June 2013 07: 44 New
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    Good day to all hi Happy holiday to all, colleagues drinks
    According to the article. Plus - indisputable, although the facts presented in the article are no secret. The concentrated form of presentation itself is important and the author succeeded. And the photo is a complete slaughter. then apparently Mishiko demonstrates the new development of the multiple launch rocket launcher. I managed- scared recourse
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 12 June 2013 08: 09 New
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      Quote: esaul
      And the photo is a complete slaughter. then apparently Mishiko demonstrates the new development of the multiple launch rocket launcher. I managed- scared


      Good afternoon Esaul! And about the SZO you are not great-a-a-a-av! High precision weapons! The professor sold ...
      1. esaul
        esaul 12 June 2013 08: 20 New
        +3
        Yuri, welcome. Don’t be mad at me about this mistake. Guilty - not reviewed recourse
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    3. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 12 June 2013 08: 38 New
      +6
      No, this is a personal weapon. There, on the hilt, even the portrait of the owner is carved.
      1. esaul
        esaul 12 June 2013 08: 41 New
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        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        No, this is a personal weapon. There on the hilt even a portrait of the owner is carved

        Award ???! belay
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 12 June 2013 09: 02 New
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          Quote: esaul
          Award ???!

          Of course! There is even permission to wear. State Department issued laughing
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 12 June 2013 09: 56 New
            +3
            Slingshot? In the Opera? Orr-r-gig ...
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    5. Trailer
      Trailer 12 June 2013 08: 57 New
      +2
      It scared you, but I did it all out of sleep!
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    8. Orel
      Orel 12 June 2013 11: 54 New
      +3
      I hope our countries will not meet again in battle. Better at the table. All the same, Orthodox. Misha would leave soon, maybe everything will be fine.
    9. cartridge
      cartridge 12 June 2013 13: 55 New
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      The inscription with wishes to the Georgians from 71 MSP 42 Guards. msd
      Click on photo to enlarge
    10. Corsair
      Corsair 12 June 2013 14: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: esaul
      Plus - indisputable, although the facts presented in the article are no secret.

      With a holiday! We wish Russia prosperity and prosperity!

      The article has a question: The listed list of equipment and weapons of the Georgian Armed Forces is what remains after the defeat, or was the quantitative potential restored?
  2. pensioner
    pensioner 12 June 2013 08: 06 New
    +4
    The male population between the ages of 16 and 49 in 2010 was estimated at 1081 thousand people,

    Power! And if you add the age categories 0-16 and 49 - 150 (and they have enough four-centenarians), it finally becomes scary ...
    1. Rink
      Rink 12 June 2013 13: 39 New
      +6
      So far, Georgia is just a platform for deploying NATO forces and equipment.
      By itself, the country has no value for them, as well as the happiness (and indeed fate) of the Georgian people.

      But as a place where you can land transport aircraft with units of NATO (American) special forces, deploy reconnaissance equipment, radar surveillance and missile defense systems - an excellent cozy corner.
      The location is wonderful.
  3. pensioner
    pensioner 12 June 2013 08: 14 New
    +2
    Georgian planes and helicopters did not participate in the 2008 war

    And identity too! Stra-ha-ha-ha ...
    1. esaul
      esaul 12 June 2013 08: 26 New
      +6
      Quote: retired
      And identity too! Stra-a-a-sho

      Yura, in connection with this, I recalled the statement of one of the members of the forum on WIM about the intentions of the withdrawal of "imported" peacekeepers from the Golan Heights, when the Syrians drove there herds of retreating bandyukov. To the question - “Why then are these peacekeepers needed there?”, He answered - “They are there to be afraid of them. As soon as they are no longer afraid of them, it means - everything is time to dump. Mission - done” lol
  4. pensioner
    pensioner 12 June 2013 08: 21 New
    +4
    There is one landing otter self-propelled barge renamed from "Torn" by wiping ....
  5. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 12 June 2013 08: 22 New
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    The author is somewhat inaccurate
    first driven out by the Soviet and then the troops of General Denikin.

    Well nebylo in the 1920 year of Soviet troops. The Red Army was also the Soviet Army in the 1946 year.

    On the territory of the unrecognized republics not controlled by Georgia


    And who said that the unrecognized? Russia has recognized and this is enough.
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 12 June 2013 14: 26 New
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      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      Well nebylo in the 1920 year of Soviet troops. The Red Army was also the Soviet Army in the 1946 year.

      you're right
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      And who said that the unrecognized? Russia has recognized and this is enough.

      but not here!
  6. pensioner
    pensioner 12 June 2013 08: 26 New
    +7
    Due to the constant rotation, a significant part of the military acquires combat experience

    Yeah. Fighting singing.
    In the article !! no matter what the phrase is pearl !!
    1. esaul
      esaul 12 June 2013 08: 37 New
      +8
      Quote: retired
      . Fighting singing.

      And the dance. I remember the shots when the staff instructor, on camera, performed the dance of a Tiflis thief on happy days before 08808. Oh! Blessed time, it was seen Even in the dance they sing praises, damn it ...
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 12 June 2013 09: 34 New
        +1
        I also remember this plot. After 080808 Georgians threw a lot of techniques. And household too. I also remember how the Negro Georgians taught toast. the broadcast was on the news. He seemed to be leading sweets.
      2. Hudo
        Hudo 12 June 2013 09: 41 New
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        Quote: esaul
        . I remember the shots when a staff instructor, on camera, performed the dance of a Tiflis thief on happy days until 08808.


        It’s not worth knocking this dancer from the rhythm, let it be sporting further - Yuzh. He has already danced Ossetia irrevocably. We look forward to further “successes” in choreography - maybe these striped baleruns will be added to Alaska and Texas. laughing
        1. esaul
          esaul 12 June 2013 09: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: Hudo
          It’s not worth knocking this dancer from the rhythm, let it be sporting further - Yuzh. He has already danced Ossetia irrevocably. We look forward to further “successes” in choreography - maybe these striped baleruns will be added to Alaska and Texas

          Gleb, welcome. hi Commentary is very successful. All in one style. good
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 12 June 2013 10: 13 New
            +6
            Good afternoon, Valery! hi
            But still, the vast majority of Georgians that I met were good, decent people. Contacted with a pinch of filthy enrolled in their disholysis and naturally became a laughing stock. With a bitter aftertaste, this laugh.
            1. esaul
              esaul 12 June 2013 10: 46 New
              +5
              Quote: Hudo
              But still, the vast majority of Georgians that I met were good people

              In no case will I refute. I will only agree. I had to make contact with the Georgians - guys are smart BUT, then they were - Soviet Georgians. Now a generation has grown up that does not know the fraternity that united our peoples. It’s sad, but we have to reckon with this and live with it. From understanding this and these words
              Quote: smersh70
              Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Moscow is ready for cooperation with Georgia. Relations will continue to develop, including in the area of ​​admission of Georgian goods to the territory of Russia. "We understand that this is important, maybe not a key issue, but it is important for Georgia, for its economy. We will continue to act in this direction ", - Putin said at a meeting with Russia Today
              1. Hudo
                Hudo 12 June 2013 10: 56 New
                +1
                You can’t say anything, Putin said the right words. Knit hand and foot by this very cooperation, so that having a guaranteed tit from Russia in their hands, it would not be possible to gallop gallop for a striped ephemeral crane in the sky. The rest will come with time.
              2. Che
                Che 12 June 2013 14: 23 New
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                Yesaul, the territory of Georgia is a springboard for the same NATO and America. The Georgian Armed Forces does not pose a serious threat to Russia, but remember with whose help several of our aircraft were shot down during the conflict. There is no talk about the mediocrity of our command.
              3. ale-x
                ale-x 13 June 2013 09: 32 New
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                Let comrade Putin say and do as he sees fit, BUT I don’t intend to buy their goods after they said that they were going to Russia instead of wines and mines. water you can sell urine ... You can’t.
    2. T-130
      T-130 12 June 2013 14: 07 New
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      Well, experience can be gained, but the question is: why do we need such experience, because all the same, Georgia does not have and will not have such weapons on a scale like NATO in Afghanistan!
  7. sergo0000
    sergo0000 12 June 2013 08: 38 New
    +1
    Georgian army was disposable http://www.kp.ru/
    smile
    I recommend friends. A very detailed analysis of specialists about the combat effectiveness of this theater.
    1. esaul
      esaul 12 June 2013 08: 44 New
      +1
      sergo0000 (2)
      Sergey, salute hi Yes, we have already sorted out something here ourselves lol Health to your "female dormitory" love
    2. biglow
      biglow 12 June 2013 10: 59 New
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      here is the whole link http://www.kp.ru/daily/24187.5/395529/
      Georgian army was disposable
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 12 June 2013 14: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: sergo0000
      Georgian army was disposable
      1. Black
        Black 12 June 2013 15: 22 New
        +3
        Well, so he has no “feat” in the schedule of the day?
        1. ale-x
          ale-x 13 June 2013 09: 34 New
          -1
          Caucasians think in their own way. The presence of such a schedule is the “feat” for them .....
  8. Radoslav
    Radoslav 12 June 2013 08: 54 New
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    Shit all this Georgia and all Georgian people shit. Throughout their history, these Georgians got cancer before the strong, whether Persia, Turkey, or Russia, now they have turned their guzlo to the Americans. Loafers, idlers, cowards, loafers are these Georgians, and they make up a great nation. They would stick their tongue in into their anal and would never blather in a historical perspective.
    1. esaul
      esaul 12 June 2013 08: 58 New
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      Radoslav
      I welcome you, colleague, but let's agree that this is your last comment in such colors. Good? Internet srach is here - not needed
    2. Fox
      Fox 12 June 2013 09: 06 New
      +7
      Quote: Radoslav

      Radoslav

      well ... you got excited. I have a lot of friends, acquaintances of Georgians. laborers. although I came across crime (on duty) .And by a bunch of pi-dorks, you should not judge all the people.
    3. pensioner
      pensioner 12 June 2013 09: 42 New
      +8
      Radoslav! In Soviet times, he constantly met with Georgians at scientific conferences and meetings in physics, metallurgy, and mining. Intelligent guys. Then he worked in a military school, transferred from Tbilisi with cadets. And none of the officers and cadets about Georgians as a people spoke badly. Georgian childhood friend-Bocharishvili. so everything is not clear. but the "elite" in their degree of corruption confidently in 2nd place in the world. after Africa.
      1. Gato
        Gato 12 June 2013 12: 43 New
        +9
        In addition, among the Georgian military adventure, Mishiko also did not meet with universal support.
        Somewhere I met info about the riot in 2009. tank battalion in Mukhrovani, it was almost an attempt at a military coup.
        It was remembered because in this hole (Mukhrovani village) I served in 1986.
        When serving in Georgia, I remember the more than friendly attitude of the locals towards the military, especially conscripts. In Tbilisi khinkal they never took money from us, once I fleeing a patrol in a self-propelled vehicle - a Tram stopped nearby, picked me up, and a Georgian carrier closed the doors in front of the very nose of the patrol wassat
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 12 June 2013 12: 56 New
          +6
          Quote: Gato
          Somewhere I met info about the riot in 2009. tank battalion in Mukhrovani, it was almost an attempt at a military coup.

          theater! The soldiers refused to participate in the Military Parade) Well then, Mishiko crawled with this!
        2. dc120mm
          dc120mm 12 June 2013 13: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: Gato
          It was remembered because in this hole (Mukhrovani village)

          Good place wink
          1. Gato
            Gato 12 June 2013 15: 24 New
            +1
            No, the place is really very beautiful. It was far to get to Tbilisi only on dismissal, and then there were several houses in the village itself.
  9. sergo0000
    sergo0000 12 June 2013 08: 56 New
    +3
    esaul

    Greetings Valery! hi Happy holiday drinks you from our whole family!
    I wanted to insert a demotivator about this bunch, but thought that sin was laughing at the wretched! lol Especially on such a holiday reviving and gaining strength every day, our mother Russia! good
  10. Pilot200809
    Pilot200809 12 June 2013 09: 02 New
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    Quote: esaul
    ... then apparently Mishiko demonstrates the new development of the multiple launch rocket launcher. I managed- scared recourse

    Not ! it is a modernization of the old image (heavy). Old is worse!
    1. esaul
      esaul 12 June 2013 09: 22 New
      +4
      Quote: Pilot200809
      Not ! it is a modernization of the old image (heavy). Old is worse!

      The carrier is a killer ... good
      1. omsbon
        omsbon 12 June 2013 09: 50 New
        +2
        Hello to all my friends!
        The carrier has a very harsh and decisive look, does not want to see a barbecue!
        1. esaul
          esaul 12 June 2013 10: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: omsbon
          The carrier has a very harsh and decisive look, does not want to see a barbecue!

          Hi Andrey hi So he learned to look from Mishiko ... I was even a little confused - which of them is a ram? request
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 12 June 2013 10: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: esaul
            which of them is a ram?


            It is logical to assume that the BIG ram is the one who, instead of grass, picks a tie.
            1. fisherman
              fisherman 12 June 2013 12: 53 New
              +8
              cook tips on ties
          2. omsbon
            omsbon 12 June 2013 10: 17 New
            +2
            Hi Valera!
            The bearer looks like this because he learned about the laws adopted yesterday and does not know whether he falls under "non-traditional sexual relations." lol
            1. esaul
              esaul 12 June 2013 10: 24 New
              +1
              Hudo

              "It is logical to assume that the BIG ram is the one who, instead of grass, picks a tie."

              Quote: omsbon
              The bearer looks like this because he learned about the laws adopted yesterday and does not know whether he falls under "non-traditional sexual relations."

              NOT, guys ... Holiday nevertheless - was a success. In the morning to laugh like that - this does not often happen. Thank you for your congratulations" laughing
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 12 June 2013 11: 54 New
        0
        ++++++++++ !!!!!!!!!! Toko right now come to me humor !!!
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 12 June 2013 10: 01 New
      +2
      Did the horns of this war ram break off? Or a helmet of a special design?
  11. kind
    kind 12 June 2013 09: 10 New
    +3
    Aviation is particularly impressive.
    Armament: three Su-25 attack aircraft, seven Su-25K, two Su-25UB, six transport An-2, two Yak-40, one Tu-134A (VIP) and nine training L-39s, as well as 29 transport helicopters Mi-17ST and 12 Bell 205 Iroquois.

    As the joke says: aviation will not take part in battles, because the pilot got sick! laughing
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 12 June 2013 09: 48 New
      +5
      Quote: Good
      As the joke says: aviation will not take part in battles, because the pilot fell ill


      what took, that's for sure ... the author is wrong ....
      According to official Georgian data, voiced by the head of the Joint Staff of the Armed Forces of Georgia Zaza Gogava, during the course of military operations not a single Georgian aircraft was damaged and not a single pilot was injured. Probably, these data relate only to sorties, since Gogava specified that there were casualties at the bases subjected to attacks by Russian aircraft. [1] It is known that the Georgian Air Force suffered aircraft losses on the ground: according to information from the country's foreign ministry, on the first day of the war, several military aircraft were destroyed as a result of a Russian air attack at Marneuli airbase. [2] After the war, the Georgian side specified that three An-2s were destroyed. [3] The Georgian side also confirmed the fact that Russian troops destroyed three Georgian helicopters (two Mi-24 and one Mi-14) at the captured Senaki air base. [4] According to a Georgian source, another helicopter (type is not specified) crashed during the hostilities for non-military reasons, [4] however, it is not said whether it was lost permanently or was to be restored.
      The South Ossetian and Russian sides at different times announced the destruction of more than four aircraft and one helicopter, although all statements were made separately and the final statistics, apparently, were not given:
  12. uzer 13
    uzer 13 12 June 2013 09: 33 New
    +3
    We are armed with only the equipment that was inherited from the USSR. One must assume that it was in a very worn state. Ukraine also threw something up, not missing the chance to quietly spoil Russia. Here you are the Slav brothers. Spend money on the maintenance of these amusing troops (which in the Georgian treasury and not so much) is a futile event.
  13. Opera
    Opera 12 June 2013 09: 46 New
    +5
    The Georgian army is a Georgian cause. I'm not interested in anything at all. But the five-day war, on the other hand, showed very well the true value of a strong American-Georgian friendship! If one more time you don’t have to climb ... an American friend will regret it, pat it on the head and wipe away the tears - do not be patient with the genetals, can it cost ?! AND?!
    Maybe, maybe not.
  14. smersh70
    smersh70 12 June 2013 10: 13 New
    +3
    what was, it was ... we must look to the future ....

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Moscow is ready for cooperation with Georgia. Relations will continue to develop, including in the area of ​​admission of Georgian goods to the territory of Russia.
    "We understand that this is important, it may not be a key issue, but it is important for Georgia, for its economy. We will continue to act in this direction," Putin said at a meeting with the staff of Russia Today TV channel.
    He added that Russia is ready to accept Georgia’s security assistance at the Sochi Olympics. "We are generally ready for such assistance. We want to restore relations. We treat Georgia very warmly. We are very close peoples," he said. The Russian authorities, according to Putin, appreciated the decision of the new government of Georgia to take part in the Olympics, to take some other steps towards.
    Meanwhile, according to information from the Georgian government, Georgian alcohol will appear on Russian shelves within two weeks. The first batch of cognac is on its way. Soon the supply of wine will begin. The ban was valid for almost 7 years. The Russian side explained it by the low quality of products; in Georgia they are sure that this is a political issue.
  15. individual
    individual 12 June 2013 10: 16 New
    +2
    Quote:
    "The new government of Bidzina Ivanishvili also does not refuse to increase military spending."

    Ivanishvili will not refuse to rearm Georgia in the first place due to the inertia of the hawks' thinking in the Tbilisi elite.
    And most importantly, they got hooked on the military-economic "needle" of the US political influence.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 12 June 2013 10: 21 New
      +4
      7-00 breakfast? It is not difficult to guess which piece of clothing is on the menu.
  16. strange and pretty meaningless
    strange and pretty meaningless 12 June 2013 10: 18 New
    +6
    Laughter, laughter, but the losses in the course of 080808 from Russia ... Actually, the help of the states was limited to persuading ukrov to remove combat-ready air defense systems from combat duty. Divide and rule. Former republics wet each other.
    1. esaul
      esaul 12 June 2013 10: 37 New
      +1
      Greetings Bormental hi
      Quote: abyrvalg
      Actually, state assistance was limited to convincing ukrov to remove combat-ready air defense systems from combat duty.

      Well, well, well ... Did they tell you in the "... times"? Not surprising. Nauskav Georgians in Ossetia and got in the teeth, put yourself in peacekeepers. Nobody took off Ukrainian "TORs" from combat duty. Their guidance system was introduced at that time the only SU-34 in the Russian Air Force. Thanks to this, it was possible for the Russian Air Force to host the sky. Do not amuse pride pinstripe. It has served them more than once in poor service. It's only the beginning...
      1. strange and pretty meaningless
        strange and pretty meaningless 12 June 2013 10: 50 New
        +8
        Quote: esaul
        Thanks to this, it was possible for the Russian Air Force to host the sky. Do not amuse pride pinstripe.

        Yes, I don’t “root” for the striped - although I write from under their flag laughing Georgia is not an equal opponent to Russia; air supremacy could not fail. However, they lost the Tu-22M3, the pilots died - war is war. And striped, pitting the ex-brothers, consider coupons. I read the article, comments - I want to spit, poison for the soul. I used to always drink “Kindzmarauli” and “Khvanchkaru” until the political prostitute o-beggar began to butt the political prostitute ssakashvili. Bitter and insulting. And for the Georgians too.
        1. esaul
          esaul 12 June 2013 11: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: abyrvalg
          However, the Tu-22M3 lost, the pilots died - war is war

          What was, was, mate
          Quote: abyrvalg
          Bitter and insulting. And for the Georgians too.
          I owe and support the owl. drinks
  17. Lopatov
    Lopatov 12 June 2013 10: 32 New
    0
    Shapkozakitelno.

    Firstly, we have little reason to judge the combat readiness of the Georgian army, since there really was no war. There was a mediocre planned police action, which had primarily political goals.

    Secondly, Georgia not only recovered from the “war”, but also improved the condition of its armed forces
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 12 June 2013 10: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Spade
      Secondly, Georgia not only recovered from the “war”, but also improved the condition of its armed forces


      Restored and improved, this is undoubtedly yes. Conclusions are made, analysis is carried out, measures are taken ... Only this is the whole facade, the ostentatious side is 08.08.08. The Georgian Fuhrer really believed that behind them stood a formidable uncle in striped shorts, but in fact it turned out that there was a void of words in the UN and the FSO. Next time, it will be difficult for this uncle to convince Georgian craftsmen to draw arrows of blows with their own phallus on topographic maps that they will not be thrown again.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 12 June 2013 10: 49 New
        0
        Whoever stood behind them, initially everything was planned incorrectly. I don’t think they will repeat such a mistake again.
    2. poquello
      poquello 13 June 2013 01: 15 New
      +2
      "Firstly, we have little reason to judge the combat readiness of the Georgian army, since there really was no war. There was a mediocre planned police action, which had primarily political goals."

      What kind of police action is this, with a ruined city, with Ukrainian anti-aircraft guns, with sabotage groups for the movement of Russian troops, with saboteurs in the tunnel, with an attack on the BDK, with malfunctions of the ZhPS navigation, with a bearing of communication, with a wild scream of all the "free" MASS MEDIA?
      Such a major police action should be recorded in the Guinness Book of Records.
      The one "whoever stood behind them" crap, and now he sings the song "The United States defeated Hitler."
  18. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 12 June 2013 10: 32 New
    +2
    Yes, this is also a laughing stock, this SHAKASHVILI, his mother! Shame on the Georgian people! ...
    I do not understand Georgians. I always know them from the best side, excellent men and warriors are not bad ... but what happened to the country ?? !!
    And I know what happened .... you just need to be closer to Russia ... or better in its composition
  19. cobalt
    cobalt 12 June 2013 11: 18 New
    0
    It is necessary to set up our Army schedule every three years to go into Georgia and seize all its weapons, otherwise they somehow briskly poured so many armored vehicles after stripping in 2008. But the Georgians should be tasked to beg for as much military assistance as possible so that we don’t for nothing come to them for confiscation.
  20. knn54
    knn54 12 June 2013 12: 02 New
    +1
    For the war with Ossetian / Abkhaz women and children, it’s enough.
    -1.9% of GDP ...
    And this is called a "significant budget infusion."
    - Georgian officers are trained in the USA, Turkey and other NATO countries.
    Without YOUR military training institutions, you can’t even dream of a professional army.
    As for history, it is good to say about Georgians in the 20s by Denikin "Essays on Russian Troubles and in Serafimovich’s novel" Iron Stream "...
    PS Now it’s clear why the Georgian runners did not start at the Beijing Olympics.
    P.PS Two experts, Alexander Kontorovich, a forensic scientist with 30 years of experience and a specialist in small arms, and his colleague, an expert on armament and ammunition of NATO countries, worked in Abkhazia at the invitation of local special services. For almost a month they studied numerous trophies taken in the conflict zone. We shot exotic weapons for our regions, such as the Negev machine guns and the Bushmaster automatic rifles.
    Georgian-made grenades were detonated and experienced vaunted, supposedly American body armor. The conclusions were disappointing: the experts did not understand where the 5 billion lari spent by Saakashvili on arming “the most powerful regional army in the model of NATO” had gone. Apparently, this money was just stolen ...
    More details at http://www.hotdotcenter.com/articles/osetiya/newspapers/2/
  21. dc120mm
    dc120mm 12 June 2013 13: 39 New
    11
    President Mikhail Saakashvili, whose term in power ends in October 2013 of the year, in January at the Academy of Defense in Gori, demonstrating a slingshot, said that she was a symbol of equipping the Georgian armed forces to 2004 of the year. According to him, today, on the contrary, the army has all the components of weapons - air and ground defense systems, armored vehicles and, most importantly, a joint program with the US for supplying the national armed forces with modern Western technology. The new government of Bidzina Ivanishvili also does not refuse to increase military spending.

    laughing laughing laughing Completely crazy!
    one 152 mm self-propelled gun 2S19 Msta-S,

    A lie!
    two amphibious battalions

    ??
    three Su-25 attack aircraft, seven Su-25K, two Su-25UB, six transport An-2, two Yak-40, one Tu-134A (VIP) and nine training L-39, as well as 29 transport helicopters Mi- 17CT and 12 Bell 205 Iroquois.

    Explicit exaggeration!
    Georgian planes and helicopters did not participate in the 2008 war.

    A lie! They participated.
    Georgian officers are trained in the United States, Turkey and other NATO countries, as well as at the David Agmashenebeli Academy of National Defense of Georgia in Gori. One Academy course has 150 people. The army is trained by instructors from NATO countries, mainly from the USA and Turkey.

    laughing They don’t study there, the window dressing is complete.

    Eeeh when we get rid of the Americans and NATO. This is already tired of this box and window dressing.
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 12 June 2013 14: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: dc120mm
      Explicit exaggeration!

      everything is written correctly
      only Tu-134, I don’t understand how
      Quote: dc120mm
      A lie! They participated.

      yeah su-xnumx one departure and mi-xnumx three flights
      Quote: dc120mm
      They don’t study there, the window dressing is complete.

      there is window dressing but says that there is nothing to learn, this is incorrect information
      1. dc120mm
        dc120mm 12 June 2013 14: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: GEOKING95
        everything is written correctly

        Do not believe everything.
        Quote: GEOKING95
        there is window dressing but says that there is nothing to learn, this is incorrect information
        We don’t learn anything suitable for us, believe me once more wink
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 12 June 2013 16: 35 New
          0
          Quote: dc120mm
          Do not believe everything.

          believe, check
          Quote: dc120mm
          three Su-25 attack aircraft, seven Su-25K, two Su-25UB,

          Su-25 board N = 1
          http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/SU-25/SU-25_01.jpg


          Su-25 board N = 3
          http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/SU-25/SU-25_03.jpg


          Su-25 Board N = 7
          http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/SU-25/SU-25_07.jpg


          n = 12
          http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/SU-25/SU-25_12.jpg


          n = 16
          http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/SU-25/SU-25_16.jpg


          n = 17
          http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/SU-25/SU-25_17.jpg


          N = 18
          http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/SU-25/SU-25_18.jpg


          N = 21
          http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/SU-25/SU-25_21.jpg


          N = 22
          http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/SU-25/SU-25_22.jpg


          N = 23
          http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/SU-25/SU-25_23.jpg


          N = 24
          http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/SU-25/SU-25_24.jpg


          N = 20
          http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/SU-25/SU-25_03_16_

          18_20_22_23.jpg
          pieces 12))

          link http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/GAF.php
          1. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 12 June 2013 16: 57 New
            0
            Quote: dc120mm
            six transport An-2,

            N 03
            http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mia/AN-2/AN-2_03.jpg
            N 06
            http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/AN-2/AN-2_06.jpg

            N 07
            http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/AN-2/AN-2_07.jpg
            N46
            http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/AN-2/AN-2_46.jpg
            N 56
            http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/AN-2/AN-2_56.jpg
            N 58
            http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/AN-2/AN-2_58.jpg
            Six Pieces
            Quote: GEOKING95
            two Yak-40

            один в Сухуме http://wikimapia.org/20532772/ru/%D0%AF%D0%BA-40-%D0%B1%D1%8B%D0%B2%D1%88%D0%B8%
            D0%B9-%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82-%E2%84%961-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B4%D
            0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%93%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B8-%D0%AD%D0%B4%D1%83%D
            0%B0%D1%80%D0%B4%D0%B0-%D0%90%D0%BC%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0
            %B8%D1%87%D0%B0-%D0%A8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B7%D0%
            B5
            Second: http://www.novate.ru/blogs/101212/22050/
            Quote: GEOKING95
            Tu-134A

            I didn’t find this, I thought 90's had already lost everyone! Two were destroyed in the sky when civilians were "stolen" from the conflict zone
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxGjMqU68Lg
            first 8: 38
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIHbkHgOdCw
            second 0: 00


            Quote: GEOKING95
            nine training L-39,

            01
            http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/L-39/L-39_01.jpg
            01 02 05 06
            http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/L-39/L-39_01_02_05
            _06.jpg
            72
            http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/L-39/L-39_72.jpg
            71 73 74 http://www.militaria.ge/videofoto/GAF/gaf_aircrafts_large/mod/L-39/L-39_71_72_73
            _74.jpg
            8 pieces
            Quote: GEOKING95
            Mi-17ST

            what is this miracle?
    2. Black
      Black 12 June 2013 15: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: dc120mm
      Eeeh when we get rid of the Americans and NATO. This is already tired of this box and window dressing.


      Well, Moscow wasn’t built right away and the St. George Treatise was not spontaneously written. Wounds of grievances and claims are healed. We have only one trouble from the south.
  22. Che
    Che 12 June 2013 14: 36 New
    +5
    It's simple, restore the St. George's tract, and live like good neighbors. Oh, the chacha was good, I still remember.
    1. dc120mm
      dc120mm 12 June 2013 15: 01 New
      +7
      Come drink wink
  23. Black
    Black 12 June 2013 15: 33 New
    0
    Georgia over the past few years has become very "European." A lot of good is a lot. But she will never be able to solve the issue of territories by force of arms. There are more youth outside the country than at home. Who should fight?
  24. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 12 June 2013 15: 44 New
    +1
    President Mikhail Saakashvili, whose term in power ends in October 2013 of the year, in January at the Academy of Defense in Gori, demonstrating a slingshot, said that she was a symbol of equipping the Georgian armed forces to 2004 of the year. According to him, today, on the contrary, the army has all the components of weapons - air and ground defense systems, armored vehicles and, most importantly, a joint program with the US for supplying the national armed forces with modern Western technology. The new government of Bidzina Ivanishvili also does not refuse to increase military spending.

    I’ve got it that he still hasn’t played enough in war games? that one seemed a little ?? and now he wants all the same tanks to reach Tbilisi? dreaming that this time the amers will climb into the war with Russia for the sake of his person belay !!! MDA HE REALLY MANDOLED! !! and this esho is called true democracy!
  25. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 12 June 2013 16: 08 New
    +2
    The Anglo-Saxon system of building armed forces in its puppet states, as well as in the "Young NATO" states, implies a complete rejection of the army capable of independent action. Police occupation forces, nothing more.
  26. Tot-enot
    Tot-enot 12 June 2013 22: 15 New
    0
    "Georgian troops are not able to confront the Russian for any length of time." well, not very long laughing