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Poured mud - flow around, do not know how - soakHello, dear readers, write this article, or rather answer the article The Shadow of the Father Zvendonia (“Russian Service RFI”, France) http://www.inosmi.ru/russia/20130611/209894481.html I was motivated by the fact that a week ago I became a participant and knowledge of what our French friends wrote about. This time I couldn’t keep silent, because already 2 time I notice that the statements of world leaders or simply Western journalists are directed personally against me and my life.


Let me first tell a little about myself - a citizen of the Russian Federation, a Russian or a wild Muscovite - as you please. My date began in 7: 20 with the fact that I woke up and sent a text message to my bride, a citizen of Ukraine, with whom after the wedding I am going to spend my whole life in disputes and fights over who still belongs to Crimea. Then he had a quick bite, got into the car and went to the temple of the New Martyrs and Confessors of Russia at the Butovo training ground in order to agree with the priest about our wedding in a month.

Why did I choose this temple? I just live in Butovo, I baptized my son in it from the first (unfortunately, failed) marriage, I go there to services to my spiritual father, and also because my great-grandfather was shot in 37. Then, already under Khrushchev, he was rehabilitated, but I will not stand up for him, because there is a 1001 man on the forum who says: “But who admits that he is guilty, shot, that means for the cause”. The Lord is with you, I will not argue. In a word, I go to this temple, because it was my life, it was like this stories my family, it happened to me, and this is my life.

When I got home, and taking advantage of my free time, I traditionally started flipping news. I do not bypass the side and the foreign press. Today an article entitled “The Shadow of Father Zvezdonia” (“Russian Service RFI”, France), by Hasan Huseynov, was published.

I will not tell the story of the Butovo proving ground and about who the Butovo and Russian new martyrs are, and why the church honors them so much. Anyone interested in this will be able to find information on the Internet, in the end, it’s not only Saints, but real historical figures of a very recent past. I will not retell here completely the article, but I will only comment on some passages, and anyone can re-read the article itself.

So,
"On the Children's Day 1 June 2013, Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill Gundyaev delivered an amazing political speech. At the Butovo training ground, where, at the end of the 1930s, NKVD firing squads killed hundreds of their compatriots and immediately buried them in the ground.

This rhetorical monument of our era will eventually be studied in school. But some passages need to be disassembled in hot pursuit.

Passage one:

"From August 37 th to October 38 th, especially at the end of 37 th year - October, November, December, dark, dark months, not autumn, not winter, snow and rain, cold and wind - and here bring the unfortunate, doomed to death of people. Dark, damp, dirty - it would seem that there is no hope for the light, no hope that God will reveal the truth. Perhaps, up to the very last moment these people believed that a miracle would happen and they would remain alive. But then God did not reveal any miracle, and they were slaughtered on the edge of these terrible ditches, which were then filled with mud, burying the bodies of the martyrs for Christ ... ”

According to the old Soviet tradition, rooted still, the speaker hides from his listeners who committed the crime does not even hint, not that he doesn’t name those specific people who actively destroyed their compatriots at the Butovo range from August 1937 to October 1938 in thousands .
"


So it was, word for word, but the trouble is that, judging by the passage, our European friends did not understand the meaning of the message. The meaning was different: although the Russian people are divorced from Orthodox values ​​and every day the rust of democracy and tolerance still begins to eat him up, but he still continues to hold on to the unshakable guidelines that do not allow the world to turn on its head, yes and tell me, did anyone forbid these people to hope for a miracle until the last breath, and the question “Where is your God?” sounds like something stupid, or did they shout to the crucified Christ?

Maybe up to the very last moment these people believed that a miracle would happen and they would remain alive.
I still allow myself to quote from the Bible:
Gospel of Matthew, Ch. 4
5 Then he takes His devil to the holy city and delivers Him on the wing of the temple
6 says to him: if you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written: He commands your angels about you, and they will carry you in your arms, so that you will not stumble on the stone with your foot.
7 Jesus said to him: it is written also: Do ​​not tempt the Lord your God.

But then God did not reveal any miracle, and they were killed at the edge of these terrible ditches.

Gospel of Matthew Gl 12
38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees said: Teacher! We would like to see a sign from You.
39 But he answered and said to them: A wicked and adulterous race seeks signs; and a sign will not be given to him except the sign of Jonah the prophet;
40. For just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days and three nights, so the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights.

Further, the preacher misleads his hearers, suggesting that the victims "may have believed that they would remain alive."

No reason for such a statement, the speaker can not present.

And who to you, our dear obschecheloveki generally said that they were waiting for the superheroe, where at least a word about this in the words of the Patriarch?
Matthew GlNXX
21 Another of His disciples said to Him: Lord! let me first go and bury my father.
22 But Jesus said to him: Follow me, and let the dead bury their dead.

The phrase “to die is not scary, scary before God to answer for sins” is inherent for Orthodox Christians. Orthodox Christian understands that death is earthly, it is the beginning of eternal life prepared for the righteous. It was in the new life that they hoped to remain alive, and not to be overthrown into a fiery hyena and die an eternal death (that is, the ignorance of God), there is a phrase alive in body, but dead soul.

According to the old Soviet tradition, rooted still, the speaker hides from his listeners who committed the crime does not even hint, not that he doesn’t name those specific people who actively destroyed their compatriots at the Butovo range from August 1937 to October 1938 in thousands .

Before talking about it, you probably need to visit at least Russia, before you write about it, you must at least come to the Butovo training ground.
If you look closely at the icons that painted the walls of the temple, you will see in them the silhouettes of Red Army men with stars on the budenki that shoot people.
How is it that the culprits and perpetrators are reflected even on icons, suddenly become unmentioned, isn’t that enough?

The sermon says that it was “the moats themselves that buried the bodies of the martyrs for Christ.”
Meanwhile, at the Butovo proving ground, NKVD officials of various origins and religions were killing citizens according to various indications. Then the executioners buried the dead in the ditch.


And again a lie, again the deepest misunderstanding of the Russian mentality and Orthodoxy. Nobody hides the fact that not only clergymen were shot at the Butovo training ground. The exhibition and archives are organized on the territory. Anyone has open access to this information. If we separate the executed clergymen and people for other “faults”, then there is clearly a line. Sacred ministers suffered these sufferings and death for the sake of Christ, who suggested that we take our Cross and follow it. They did not give up their belief in God, they did not give up the moral values ​​that the Bible carries in them. It is for this that Orthodox worship the New Martyrs of Russia. Yes, of course, there were other people, for example, like my great-grandfather, and if we were to judge the logic of some people, I wouldn’t have been guilty and not shot. So let's first clearly answer yourself the question, what is the fault!

Further the author of the article suffered in the dressing:
all progressive humanity is indignant that Stalin was not openly condemned in this church service, we do not know whether we live in a democratic manner. But to be honest, the motive of the article was, nevertheless, a grudge that the Patriarch mentioned the problem of the recently adopted law in France on sodomy.

And yet, why the shepherd was afraid to call those old murderers? And the new ones - who are they? And why is it not scary to call them?

Yes, here they are! Disguised as French parliamentarians and leaders of the so-called culture, who, it turns out, “tear people away from Christ.”

“To be a Christian today is not to lose vigilance for a minute ...”


Perhaps this is the only phrase of the author, with which I agree, to be a Christian today is not to lose vigilance for a minute ...

Just today, I personally received a second comment from our Western friends in the last six months.
For the first time, this was H. Clinton’s statement:
It will be called the Customs Union, it will be called the Eurasian Union and everything like that. We will not be mistaken about this. We know what the goal is, and we are trying to develop effective ways to slow down or prevent it. ”

Again, these are not empty words, this is a direct threat and an attempt to essentially destroy my happiness, my nascent marriage with a beloved woman, who by the will of fate turned out to be a citizen of one of the countries that is actively lured into the customs union.

They say that Russia is a big dangerous bear that lives in the forest; in any case, such an advertisement was at the height of the Cold War in the United States.
Looking at myself, I'm trying to understand what is dangerous about me? Probably, I am dangerous because I try to keep my values ​​and know how to defend my interests, and I also do not allow outright lies. “Russian service RFI”, in a blatant manner without understanding France the deep meaning of our traditions, attitudes and worldview, allowed herself to familiarize ourselves with events familiarly, mocking our history, mocking the Bible and the religion of the majority of the Russian people, because Repressions of 30x are a lively topic for us.

Unfortunately, such attacks will continue, but we all need to understand that at first glance, some spit in the direction of Russia fall into its goal. Today, once again, I washed, because distorted everything that is important to me, what I did a week ago, and formed a false impression of my homeland and my life not only among millions of foreign readers, but also my compatriots. But this is a real information war, reconnaissance in force. They know that ordinary weapons we cannot be defeated while we are able to create the newest military complexes that cool hot heads. But should we miss such blows in this undeclared war?

Tomorrow, such a spit can hurt someone who is reading these lines now, which means that it’s time for Russia to focus today, or go to the side of world history by losing spit.

PS I will forgive forgiveness, if it seemed to someone that I quoted many Bible quotes, with these quotes I wanted to show only the incompetence and ridicule of the Western press over one of the important values ​​for us.

I did not want to argue about the repression of 30x. I do not want to shout that I was offended and now filled with anger, I demand satisfaction.

Just do not teach us what to do and how to live, so that we would not be taught where to go, much less escorted. Maybe democracy is the right of people to live the way they want and can, and not the way they demand it?
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  1. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 13 June 2013 06: 31
    -3
    Nonsense. Did the author himself understand what he wanted to express in letters?
    And the photo under the heading was eloquently eloquent.
  2. sashka
    sashka 13 June 2013 06: 57
    -3
    Apparently, the author, after rising at 7:20, not only sent SMS, but also used something intensely.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 June 2013 08: 34
      13
      I don’t think that both of you have read the full article, but rather overlooked the headline.
      1. sq
        sq 13 June 2013 09: 58
        +5
        If you read it, then you can see. not understood. This article is not for gray, sorry, average minds.
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 13 June 2013 15: 04
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I don’t think that both of you have read the full article, but rather overlooked the headline.

        I, Sasha, read everything and put a minus, and the guys whose minus plususanul.
        Articles with various religious connotations minus.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 June 2013 15: 07
          +6
          Quote: baltika-18
          Articles with various religious connotations minus.

          That you got to the bottom of religion, it does not touch you.
      3. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 14 June 2013 09: 30
        +1
        I read it completely, I am very sorry about the time spent. It is good that such nonsense is not often found on the site.
  3. fenix57
    fenix57 13 June 2013 06: 57
    32
    "... article" The Shadow of Father Zvezdonia "(" Russian Service RFI ", France), author Hasan Huseynov."-judging by the name, probably "native French".
    And the name is not clear, - streamline, absorb .. It would not hurt, these "enlightened" In the gamerope to remember:
    Unsmiling Russians don't start wars
    They are started by "cheerful" Europeans,
    Unsmiling Russian wars end
    As a rule in European capitals soldier
    To the author: advice and love! drinks
    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 13 June 2013 07: 47
      +9
      An article "The Shadow of Father Zvezdonia" ("Russian Service RFI", France), by Hasan Huseynov, has been published today.

      Is this Hto? Another Eurogean "political refugee" from "nezalEzhnaya" Ichkeria, who has not been killed in the outhouse, who, after the counter-terrorist operation in the Caucasus, settled as a legion in Geyrop?
      Or another Eurodean pyderok hiding under a sonorous pseudonym?
      1. afire
        afire 13 June 2013 15: 17
        0
        tough but fun laughing
        beautifully wrote GreatRussia
    2. berimor
      berimor 13 June 2013 14: 05
      -1
      Aw, well done !!! Yo
    3. does it
      does it 13 June 2013 23: 48
      0
      Quote: fenix57
      They are started by "cheerful" Europeans, Unsmiling Russian wars end. As a rule, in the capitals of European

      Yes, but what a blood!
  4. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 13 June 2013 06: 57
    +3
    Now Scientologists have already begun to procrastinate the topic of "repressions" of the 30s?
  5. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 13 June 2013 07: 14
    -2
    the author wrote under a strong impression of something, which is why it happened, and in repressions I would take part in our time only under the leadership of Stalin
    1. vitek1233
      vitek1233 13 June 2013 07: 40
      +3
      I hope as a victim
      1. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 13 June 2013 08: 02
        +2
        need to remember you
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 13 June 2013 19: 43
          +1
          Quote: Soldier's grandson
          and in repression I would take part in our time only under the leadership of Stalin


          Before they were repressed, damn it. In 17-22, hundreds of talented scientists, thousands of excellent officers were expelled from the country, destroyed by 70% all the Cossacks (who had defended the borders of the Russian state for centuries), persecuted the clergy and believers, dispossessed tens of thousands of wealthy peasant families, just because they worked, and did not booze like the "peasant proletariat", finished off the industry so that only a decade later they could start doing something worthwhile. And before the war, how many designers and talented engineers and officers were jailed and repressed? All these repressions were a betrayal of the Russian people and they all weakened our country. We must strive not to divide everything and everyone, but to work and develop.
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev 14 June 2013 21: 52
            0
            And who is to blame?
            Who is to blame for being repressed, driven out of their country?
            True, they were all in Gen. Denikin's volunteers! what
            Not happy about the overthrow of the autocracy?
            Did you scold the priests?
            All of them did this, with the exception of protecting themselves with an armed hand, and received the full "for their sins."
            Clever like, to an author who is unaware that the patriarch is simply Cyril, and according to his passport he is V. Gundyaev.
            I want to belittle the patriarch, bite with my weak teeth, show myself smart.
            And it wasn’t in vain that the repressions and Stalin did not grow on their own, about which more than once, incidentally, Patriarch Kirill spoke.
            This is only the visible result of the spiritual state of the people.
  6. zxz71
    zxz71 13 June 2013 07: 24
    +9
    Article set of soap supplies. If you search then in the geyrop there are places and worse Butovo. The author is right in that it’s muddy Russia !! became a sign of good taste in many newspapers.
    1. afire
      afire 13 June 2013 15: 20
      0
      and we are recording everything, said disgusting, got on the list
  7. cartridge
    cartridge 13 June 2013 07: 35
    10
    Quote: zxz71
    Looking at myself, am I trying to understand what I'm dangerous in? I guess I’m dangerous because I try to keep my values ​​and how to defend my interests, and also do not allow outright lies.


    I liked this place in the article the most. I subscribe to these words.
  8. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 13 June 2013 07: 47
    +8
    Issues related to the repressions of the 30s are still controversial, and there may be different opinions on them. The only thing that is controversial in this article is the final phrase:
    Just do not teach us what to do and how to live, so that we would not be taught where to go, much less escorted. Maybe democracy is the right of people to live the way they want and can, and not the way they demand it?

    Here I absolutely agree
  9. Egoza
    Egoza 13 June 2013 08: 30
    10
    The main thing is that the author wrote sincerely. + him for it. And he is right that it is time for Russia to respond harshly to even the slightest attempt to spit in her direction. This does not mean that you immediately need to grab onto the machine, but Russian journalists should work in this direction.
    1. shurup
      shurup 13 June 2013 09: 48
      +5
      One of my favorite fables of Mr. Krylov about the bear and the wanderer ends sadly, and not only for the annoying fly.
      You are right, do not clutch at the machine where you can confine yourself to a folded newspaper.
      When the men are carrying a log, the toads should not download the license about being on the "zebra", you can get into the fable ... posthumously.
    2. does it
      does it 13 June 2013 12: 44
      +2
      Quote: Egoza
      This does not mean that you immediately need to grab onto the machine, but Russian journalists should work in this direction.

      И hi without falsehood and arrogance.
  10. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 13 June 2013 09: 57
    +4
    I support the author. We do not need to tell what to do, otherwise we will tell where such advisers should go.
    "Russian Service RFI", France, insolently not understanding the deep meaning of our traditions, foundations and worldview, allowed itself to comment on the events familiarly, mocking our history, filigree mocking the Bible and the religion of the majority of Russian people, and also tried to bring discord between people, because repression of the 30s is a living topic for us.
    They also have the audacity to call their service "Russian" am
  11. Belogor
    Belogor 13 June 2013 10: 36
    +2
    Naturally, the role of a victim is not suitable for Russia, in a world where only strength is understood, you should not wipe yourself off, crumple and frown. As they say; an eye for an eye, a tooth for ...! Then they will begin to "understand", otherwise there is no way!
  12. family tree
    family tree 13 June 2013 10: 54
    +1
    Chic article. Yeah. Protection of the Russian Orthodox Church from criticism of a Frenchman with a non-French surname and, bang, a sharp feint on Hillary and the TS, I do not observe any connection. But where does the ROC look? They attack her, don’t they?
    ROC, unfortunately, no time, many business
    The Russian Orthodox Church, together with private business, has begun a large construction project. In Moscow, shopping centers and so-called "walking distance" shops will be erected next to ten churches on their land. The construction of three supermarkets has already begun. The project is supposed to invest 25-30 million dollars.

    Each shopping center will have an area of ​​3-10 thousand square meters. The Moscow Patriarchate will receive part of the square free of charge for icon and book shops. However, they are referred to as "icon-book" ones conditionally, and the main part of their income is jewelry, followed by vintage wines.

    and scientific
    When we talk about the department of theology at a secular educational institution, we do not indulge in theoretical considerations, but we can already speak on the basis of practical experience, since such departments were created and operate in almost 50 universities and higher secular educational institutions of Russia.

    Including in nuclear physics, the Department of Theology was opened at MEPhI. What will happen next?
    Ale, the fathers, it does not seem that the church has a slightly different area of ​​activity, at one time Christ took merchants from the temple on pendals, think about the soul.
    The Consumer Rights Protection Society demands legalization of the commercial activity of the Russian Orthodox Church and has already filed a lawsuit in the Khamovnichesky court. OZPP found out that on the territory of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior there is a car wash, dry cleaning, a dining room, souvenir stalls and other enterprises, and it was outraged that the church’s entrepreneurial activity was not controlled by secular laws.
  13. Mergenchi
    Mergenchi 13 June 2013 11: 21
    +7
    Quote: perepilka
    The Russian Orthodox Church, together with private business, has begun a large construction project. In Moscow, shopping centers and so-called "walking distance" shops will be erected next to ten churches on their land. The construction of three supermarkets has already begun. The project is supposed to invest 25-30 million dollars. Each shopping center will have an area of ​​3-10 thousand square meters. The Moscow Patriarchate will receive part of the square free of charge for icon and book shops. However, they are referred to as "icon-book" ones conditionally, and the main part of their income is jewelry, followed by vintage wines.


    You didn’t get this information for an hour at Moskovsky Komsomolets? There are craftsmen writing fables about the church there, in court their creative abilities were not appreciated.
    you reproach the author for inconsistency and here you wish for a "smooth" transition from the topic of the new martyrs to the departments of theology and physics .... Sorry, where in the article about science, firstly, and secondly, are you sure that all scientists are atheists?

    The article is sincere and relevant, definitely a plus. The church is us, believers and we are not silent.
    1. family tree
      family tree 13 June 2013 11: 50
      +2
      You didn’t get this information for an hour at Moskovsky Komsomolets?

      No hour
      and here you yourself want a "smooth" transition from the theme of the new martyrs to the departments of theology and physics ...
      belay Where? About the new martyrs? I have?
      Sorry where in the article about science first,
      This is to the author.
      and secondly you are sure that all scientists are atheists?

      And to drink milk, you need to buy a cow and a bull? For believers, temples exist.
      The church is us believers
      I believe in it.
      and we are not silent.
      Only the leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church does not care about this, it seems, from the highest bell tower.
  14. Valery-SPB
    Valery-SPB 13 June 2013 11: 37
    +2
    "Who is more important in history, Napoleon or Bonaparte?" (from M. Zadornov's polls)
    Young people have a historical vinaigrette in their heads. About those terrible events we must constantly and completely tell the truth, because there were:
    a period of false confession, not of the CPSU (b) -KPSS, but of those who got out of control of the state security organs;
    the period of recognition of guilt of both, when the first to start the topic were the kids (like the "Oglikovskys", about the innocent Bolshevik Tukhachevsky) repressed repressors (first they were imprisoned, and then they were imprisoned);
    Yes, there was still a period of bad Stalin and good Lenin, whose warnings were not heard by other good Bolsheviks (for example, M. Shatrov's play "So we will win"), almost according to Mayakovsky: "I clean myself under Lenin in order to sail further into the revolution."

    Previously, for ten years, with or without reason, they told a lie, a half truth and not quite the truth, but now it’s hard to say again?

    Although the Russian man breaks away from Orthodox values ​​and every day the rustle of democracy and tolerance begins to eat up, he still continues to cling to those unshakable landmarks that do not allow the world to turn upside down, and tell me, unless he forbade these people to hope for a miracle until the last breath, and the question "Where is your God?" does it sound stupid, or didn't they shout the crucified Christ?


    What's this? A country that rejected Christ and fell into the clutches of blasphemers who destroyed the church itself! And faith in a miracle?
    Hope in God, but do not tell yourself!
    The answer is simple. More than 10 million dead during the Civil War. The White Army - more than 500 thousand, the Red Army - 2-3 million (and not quite volunteers).
    "There will be bayonets in the Red Army, the Bolsheviks will manage without you ..."
    "Wouldn't you, Vanek, be a soldier."

    A constant question for me. Where have you been all the rest of Russia before?
  15. Vtel
    Vtel 13 June 2013 11: 49
    +4
    One thing is certain - the Holy New Martyrs and Confessors of Russia pray to God for us! Happy Ascension Day!
    1. Melchakov
      Melchakov 13 June 2013 12: 44
      +5
      Quote: Vtel
      Happy Ascension Day!

      Happy Holidays!
  16. tixon444
    tixon444 13 June 2013 12: 14
    +2
    The author sincerely does not understand, they say, how so, because the Cold War is over, we surrendered, I'm not dangerous, I want to get married ...
    And there, beyond the hillock they know that a wounded beast is doubly more dangerous. We are Russia, across the throat of European political prostitution, even with what we are. Here they are, they behave as if we were at the beginning of each century clinging to them with the war. Have we unleashed two world wars that led to such victims? They have to sit there quietly and put into a tube, and, looking, they are cut to the end. One wedding president here (Johim Gavk, Germany) said the other day: “Russia must repent for the“ crimes of the Soviet regime ”!!! Surname matches. Whose cow would mumble, and the German be silent.
    How many such mongrel barks at Russia - do not count! Yes, they just forgot Eastern wisdom: a dog barks - the wind wears, and the caravan goes on.
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    1. z-exit
      z-exit 13 June 2013 14: 18
      +2
      Quote: kvirit
      and the question "Where is your God?" it sounds kind of silly, or didn't they shout to the crucified Christ? THEN there were other laws, gods and kingdoms and no one has the right to condemn people of that era.


      If you understand it well, then yes, everything is right. If we go into the Old Testament history, then the Jews clearly say that all the prophets showed signs. This was their correct demand, so they recognized their guide, their "messiah". At the time of the crucifixion of Christ, these words carried a touch of the history that they had.
      I do not want to belittle the merits of the author, but in the light of the history of the Jewish people, the words: “Where is your God?” it sounds silly to a person who has little dedication to the essence of the history of this people.
      In addition, I will say that during the crucifixion of Christ it is not condemnable to pose the question “Where is your God?”, Which was asked by the tingling of God's people. Here a smile is condemned, outright mockery. Here is the fault before God in what.
  18. Cynic
    Cynic 13 June 2013 16: 50
    +1
    Perhaps democracy is the right of the people to live as they want and know how, and not as they demand from it?

    This is actually anarchy.
    And as is well known _ Anarchy is the mother of order! Chaos is about father!
    The truth is always in the insole!
    So that totally agree with the title
    Poured mud - flow around, do not know how - soak

    Judging by the article, the author is trying to streamline, I think it won’t work out _ I’ll have to soak it up!

    Defective
    hi
  19. Tverichanka
    Tverichanka 13 June 2013 21: 09
    +1
    And you yourself, uv.author, climbed into the trash? What the hell did you need to read this rubbish in foreign press in order to then crucify, proving that you are not a camel? There is some kind of masochism. You don’t have to taste any poop to make sure that this is disgusting.
  20. Alekseev
    Alekseev 14 June 2013 21: 58
    0
    Quote: Alekseev
    And who is to blame?
    Who is to blame for being repressed, driven out of their country?
    True, they were all in Gen. Denikin's volunteers! what
    Not happy about the overthrow of the autocracy?
    Did you scold the priests?
    All of them did this, with the exception of protecting themselves with an armed hand, and received the full "for their sins."
    Clever like, to an author who is unaware that the patriarch is simply Cyril, and according to his passport he is V. Gundyaev.
    I want to belittle the patriarch, bite with my weak teeth, show myself smart.
    And it wasn’t in vain that the repressions and Stalin did not grow on their own, about which more than once, incidentally, Patriarch Kirill spoke.
    This is only the visible result of the spiritual state of the people.