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Father's Covenant to the Orthodox Russian Warrior

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Father's Covenant to the Orthodox Russian WarriorIf God will lead you, my son, to be a soldier, then live there like God: keep yourself in such a way that even in a small way you do not get angry with God. First of all, serve the great sovereign with faith and truth, in battle be firm, fearless, stand courageously against enemies, do not let yourself in the hands: fight bravely while you are standing on your feet. Most of all, fear treason, lest you be under a curse and perish forever: it is better to die than to change. And if you are captured, sleepy or wounded, then by no means tell the enemy that we suffer from lack of food or supplies from the military; Say: "We are all satisfied, we have nothing in poverty." And if you began to torture you, do not say a word about the shortcomings of your army, accept death, but do not declare the defect to the enemy: then you will be accepted to the holy martyrs. If they ask you: how many people do you have in the ranks, say: "I only know how much we have porridge, and how many of us are in the army, I have nothing to know, because I'm just a soldier." Say about your comrades: "In battle, they are all brave, all the old soldiers, experienced, and our brethren - beginners - a little typed." And if you leave them in your regiments, then all that they have seen in good order, secretly declare to your boss, and do not tell your comrades that the enemies are strong and abundant to everyone.


Be you, my son, to God and the great sovereign, faithful servant, be pleased with your salary. And if a certain salary is not enough for you, then do some handicraft to get yourself something with honest work, and do not interfere in any wrongful matter, do not offend anyone, take nothing away from anyone, and wrong Fear of acquisitions more than fire, so that God may not anger you, and you will not destroy your soul for the untruth. If you stand in an apartment with someone, you cannot be the master of the house in which to oppress: be a servant to him, not a lord; although you are great to the tsar and to the king and great to him, however, be gentle in everything and obedient to him, do not cause any annoyance, always speak lovingly and affectionately with him: he will sometimes spare his last penny , but you will begin to restrain him, but to survive from the hut, and he will cry out to God from the sorrow of his heart, and God seeing his grief, for this he will send you even greater sorrow to the Lord for me; you will not lose your honor by doing peacefully and lovingly with the owner of your apartment. Know, my son: where love is, here and God dwells, and where there is enmity and annoyance, there the devil happens. Judge for yourself: is it better to live with God or with the devil? And if you want to be with God, be meek like a sheep. And if you are a lodger gentle and loving, and if at the same time you are doing a small service, then you will be nice to every man: and for such a kind visit you will be happy as your own, and you will be at ease as your own. Soldiers do not annoy the people so much as insults and arrogance and bold actions.

And you, my son, for God's sake, do not be bold, but be worthy with every man. From that you will not be brave in war, if you offend your own Orthodox Christians. Many at home hold themselves bravely, but in a war for others they hide, who is humble at home, he is a brave man in battle. I knew one soldier well: he was so mild that everyone called him chicken, it was impossible to call him a soldier; and under Chigirin, a dozen, two or three Turks hacked to death with his own hands. And if one looked at him, no one would have believed: the growth of a small, lean face, moreover, he was also stooping, and he was already not young; and by humility and courtesy it is not soon possible to pick up another such one. For this meekness, God sent him his help, so that his comrades could not marvel at his courage.

So you, my son, do not look at evil mischievous people: between yours be tender and kind, but in a battle against the enemy be angry and fearless; at home be a gentle lamb, and in the swearing field a lion, terrible for the enemy. But in war with comrades, be charitable, and with all, both military and artisans, and with merchants, be kind enough to be afraid most of all so as not to offend anyone, do not lie to anyone. The Holy Gospel gives such commandments to the soldiers: do not offend anyone, do not slander, and be content with your salary (Lk.3; 14). And it is only for these three virtues or commandments that the soldiers are promised salvation, more so if you attach fasting and prayer to them, and abstention from fornication, because in battle the cleanliness is more than the shield of the copper, and in civilian life cleanliness is a great good. The Israelites were invincible in battle, so their enemies purposely sent their wives and girls to them, so that they could sin with them so that God would allow them to defeat the Israelites for fornication. You see, my son, from old times even the infidels knew that cleanliness in battle is more precious than a shield, and fornication - death. One Greek warrior is told that when he went to war against the Bulgarians, on the way he happened to spend the night with one person; at night the maiden came to him and began to incite sin. But he resisted, and drove her away from himself three times. Then he fell asleep and sees a field for him: and in that field he sees the beaten Greeks, the whole field was covered with corpses, and between them he saw the empty place, as one person could lie down: and he would be told: place; but because you fought the serpent three times, you will not be killed. " This is how, my son, the purity of the body keeps a person in battle; and if the will of God be done, and a pure man is killed, he will be consented to the holy martyrs.

And he who lives the fornication, remains in all sorts of untruths, he suffered, even for faith, however, God alone knows whether he will receive a reward for that. But fear my son the sin of sin. And even if there was no war, you confess twice a year and commune of the Holy Mysteries. And in wartime, in all four posts, go and take Communion, and be ready to die every day. A warrior needs a hundred times more than a monk to keep himself from all sin, as if someone does not obi chet and live clean, because he must always be ready for death. If you see that the enemy is chasing your officer, or comrade, or someone else, then at least this person and the evil that you have done to you in every way possible try to save him from the trouble. And if you succeed in saving him, you cannot boast that you did not spare yourself and saved your enemy from death: let only God and your conscience know this, because it is a great thing to remember no evil; The Lord commands: love your enemies ... do good to those who hate you (Matt. 5; 44). And whoever does this will be called the Son of God. And if you, my son, helping out your foe, will be killed by yourself, then I cannot say how God will magnify you in this Kingdom and will glorify him with eternal glory. The Lord said: There is no more of that love, as if someone laid down his soul for his friends (John. 15; 13), and more if he put his soul for the enemy!

In military affairs, your commanders, both older and younger, be obedient to everything; have a gun in good condition, keep the powder in a dry place; Do not waste your charges so that the sovereign’s treasury does not disappear in vain, and learn to shoot at the target: do not miss a single week, so that even if you don’t shoot at the target. Then you and one will serve for ten. Yes, look, my son, do not carry with you any conspiracies. If you have them with you, you will offend God with those: after all, they will be with you instead of God, and if they kill you with them, then your blood and soul will die for nothing. And if poverty is tolerated, do not take anything away from others by force: it’s better to feed on the name of Christ or hire from your brethren and do not take anything away from anyone: God save you from this! Remember: you cannot destroy your soul with soldiers, but you destroy with evil deeds. If you will be in the spiritual rite, but you will not part with evil deeds, then you will perish; and being a soldier, if you live according to God, you will be saved, you will inherit eternal life.


From the “Testament of a Father to the Son” by the peasant Ivan Pososhkov
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  1. fenix57
    fenix57 11 June 2013 07: 31 New
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    All right, in the days of the USSR, as it seems to me, it sounded like this:
    "I, a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, joining the Armed Forces, take the oath and solemnly swear to be an honest, brave, disciplined, vigilant warrior, strictly keep military and state secrets, unquestioningly comply with all military charters and orders of commanders and commanders. I swear conscientiously study military affairs, take care of military and national property in every possible way and, until the last breath, be devoted to your people, your Soviet homeland and the Soviet government. with the Soviet Government to defend my Homeland - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and, as a warrior of the Armed Forces, I swear to defend it courageously, skillfully, with dignity and honor, not sparing my blood and life itself in order to achieve complete victory over the enemies. If I break this solemn oath, then let me suffer the harsh punishment of Soviet law, universal hatred and contempt of comrades. " soldier
    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 11 June 2013 18: 30 New
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      "Pray today, tomorrow fast, the day after tomorrow - victory or death."

      “Pray to God, victory is from Him! God leads us; He is our general! ”

      "We are Russians! God is with us!"


      Alexander SUVOROV
      http://knsuvorov.ru/materials/prav_articles.html
      1. 755962
        755962 11 June 2013 20: 44 New
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        Recall the classic ..
        1. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia 12 June 2013 02: 32 New
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          Quote: 755962
          Recall the classic ..






    2. Yrsh.2008
      Yrsh.2008 11 June 2013 21: 03 New
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      Yes, something like this
    3. Lynx
      Lynx 11 June 2013 22: 07 New
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      And in the days of the Russian Empire, the text of the oath sounded like this:

      I promise and swear by Almighty God, before His Holy Gospel, that I want and owe to His Imperial Majesty the Autocratic All-Russian and His Imperial Majesty the All-Russian Throne, it is faithful and unprincipled to serve the Heir, not sparing his belly, to the last drop of blood and all to His High Imperial Majesty For autocracy, power and authority own rights and advantages, legitimized and henceforth legalized, at the very least, power and ability to fulfill.

      His Imperial Majesty the state and lands of his enemies, body and blood, in the field and fortresses, by water and by dry means, in battles, parties, sieges and assaults and in other military cases, brave and strong to mend resistance and try to make progress in everything that is to His Imperial In any case, the service and benefit of the state may concern Majesty.

      As soon as I tell you about the damage of His Imperial Majesty’s interest, harm and loss, I’ll not declare it in good time, but with all sorts of measures I will repel and prevent slipping and I will keep all entrusted secrecy, it will relate to the good and service of the state, properly repairing obedience and, in all conscience, correcting and for its own gain, property and friendship and hostility against service and oath not to come from the team and banner, where I belong, although in the field, wagon train or gar nizone, never go away, but I will follow him while I’m alive and I will behave this way and act like an honest, loyal, obedient, brave and quick officer (soldier). In what may the Lord God Almighty help me.

      In conclusion of this oath, I kiss the words and cross of my Savior. Amen.
  2. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 11 June 2013 18: 17 New
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    I think a provocation .. First I put it. Then ... I read ... a crafty article .. (my opinion) .. and the photo all the more .. maybe I'm wrong, I just feel ..
    1. Yashka Gorobets
      Yashka Gorobets 11 June 2013 19: 50 New
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      What is cunning? Cunning is in us, and therefore we cannot even imagine in what spiritual purity our ancestors lived.
      1. Sotnik77s
        Sotnik77s 11 June 2013 21: 06 New
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        Yes, the purity of our souls was bodily and physical, it was the rule of life, therefore the Army was invincible. Ataman Ermak those who sinned with fornication, or who took something from someone or God forbid, who committed a woman of theirs, " water. "
    2. Homo
      Homo 11 June 2013 20: 00 New
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      Quote: MIKHAN
      I think a provocation .. First I put it. Then ... I read ... a crafty article .. (my opinion) .. and the photo all the more .. maybe I'm wrong, I just feel ..

      You need to expand your horizons before writing about something - http://www.otchizna.info/archiv2006/Otchizna22/Sviytoy_voin.htm
    3. smel
      smel 11 June 2013 21: 07 New
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      Mikhan !!! Despite the cons - I will support. The article is correct. These words are not only Orthodox believers spoke. About this and the Russians knew despite their pagan origin. With the roots, we absorbed all this. So there can be no talk of cunning. And the fact that there is no more pleasant smell than the smell of a rotting enemy - we also know. So just read Kuprin. And especially his "Briget". There about us ... About Russians ...
      1. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 11 June 2013 23: 00 New
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        Quote: smel
        About this and the Russians knew despite their pagan origin.

        And where does the PAGAN ORIGIN? Actually, Vedicism is closer to Russians, because Rusich did not sacrifice people to the gods!
        1. Maks111
          Maks111 12 June 2013 06: 08 New
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          And what does the pagan ORIGIN have to do with it? Actually, Vedicism is closer to Russians, because Rusich did not sacrifice people to the gods!
          This is how it did not bring? Vladimir the Great when he was a pagan brought human sacrifices!
  3. Dawn
    Dawn 11 June 2013 18: 19 New
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    For the commander in chief with the Minister of Defense, such a covenant, the same is necessary.
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 11 June 2013 19: 04 New
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      This covenant is for the pure souls of the youths of past centuries. hi And for the modern, corrupted by the 90s, who has lost spiritual principles, the relationship of not remembering society is of little use.
      1. Lynx
        Lynx 11 June 2013 20: 19 New
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        More than 90 years of godlessness affected, of course, seriously. However, sane and thinking people, despite this, think correctly:
        Quote: FC Skiff
        "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth." Matthew 5: 5. From the point of view of human logic - nonsense, but the ancestors were guided by this rule, and enemies were defeated.


        I hope that if FC Skiff reads and reflects on this more, he will understand why the seeming delirium is not delirium at all.
        After all, Russians are meek compared to the same pin_dos_ with their NATO.
        The main thing is not to confuse meekness with lack of will.
      2. Very old
        Very old 11 June 2013 20: 21 New
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        And very, very sorry. "Corrupted 90s" today there is someone to educate? TV, Internet stink, do not rest. Church-? Yes, he doesn’t do anything, with rare exceptions. I saw a priest (Afghan), so he pulls the boys out of the basements, cleans drugs and other dirt. To the stadium, to the club, to the people And again, very, very sorry, not a lot of such
        1. kris
          kris 11 June 2013 20: 25 New
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          Quote: Old very
          Church-? Yes, he doesn’t do anything, with rare exceptions. I saw a priest (Afghan), so he pulls the boys out of the basements, cleans drugs and other dirt. To the stadium, to the club, to the people And again, very, very sorry, not a lot of such

          that's true! such units!
          or forum users forgot who was the main importer of alcohol and tobacco in 90?
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        2. Lynx
          Lynx 11 June 2013 21: 31 New
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          Church-? Yes, he doesn’t do anything, with rare exceptions.

          And what should the "church" do? Come home, take by the scruff and drag somewhere? Orthodoxy is not imposed on anyone; a person is given the right to choose!
          Parents what? Why did Yevgeny Rodionov’s mother raise a worthy son, whose feat will inspire millions of soldiers, and someone whines that “the church is to blame”, “Putin is to blame”, “the laws do not work”? Let's whine - "the knife itself does not bounce on the table and does not cut bread"!
          Who is to blame for someone sitting on the stove and waiting to start defending his rights, which he himself must protect by filing a lawsuit? Who is to blame for the fact that his children grow like weeds in a field? He dragged him from the hospital, put him in front of a zombie worker, sent him to school after seven years - "maybe they will teach you something", and then, after 15-17 years of complete lack of education (cultivation and raising to his feet - not upbringing) - "And does he stab someone ?? And does he smoke someone ??"
          Ask yourself - what did you put in your child’s head? But nothing. He puts a street in his head and a TV.
          And one could ask the church when Orthodoxy was a state ideology, and not after the churches were blown up, priests were shot, and the patriarch was replaced with the one who was a cell-man of a Catholic!


          But the Trekhlebovs, Istarkhovs and Bohumilas the Second flooded the entire information space. Now the youth is not going to church, but to Bohumil, reading not the works of the holy fathers, not Paisius Svyatogorets, Seraphim of Sarov and John Chrysostom, who taught kindness, mercy, generosity, courage, but Istarkhov, who, clearly commissioned by Brzezinski’s close ones, teaches how to fight with Orthodoxy to undermine the spiritual foundation of Russia.

          Children do not grow on trees, do not fall from the sky. Why should not those who raise them begin to educate them? They put clothes on, and forget to put the correct settings into the head. And adult people give birth to children, who can understand what stokes TV, the Internet and the street, and can protect them from negative information and invest positive.
          And do not blame the uncle who did not raise your child.
  4. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 11 June 2013 18: 25 New
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    "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth." Matthew 5: 5. From the point of view of human logic - nonsense, but the ancestors were guided by this rule, and enemies were defeated.
  5. AntonR7
    AntonR7 11 June 2013 18: 31 New
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    I think a great article. If everyone had reasoned like that, there would have been no revolution in us and the country would have developed without the upheavals of the heavy internal ones, and we will always be able to cope with the external ones if all the people are united as a monolith.
  6. d1m1drol
    d1m1drol 11 June 2013 18: 35 New
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    Beautifully written .. takes the soul. Yes, pathetic somehow. The first paragraph would have been enough.
    1. Lynx
      Lynx 11 June 2013 20: 21 New
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      Someone and patriotism and self-esteem - "pathos".
  7. Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 11 June 2013 18: 37 New
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    In recent decades, too many and sophisticatedly mocked such concepts as honor, loyalty, patriotism. And his act, I think, Yevgeny Rodionov spat in the face of u_b_l_yu_d_k_a_m living on the principle of "die today, and I will tomorrow."
  8. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 11 June 2013 19: 30 New
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    An article of farewell to the young soldier. If they read it in their mouths, batteries will be of great use. I am sure about that. He served in the army for more than thirty years.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 11 June 2013 22: 05 New
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      Quote: Ivanovich47
      An article of farewell to the young soldier. If they read it in their mouths, batteries will be of great use. I am sure about that. He served in the army for more than thirty years.

      Parting words were good a century ago, it would be time to create something closer to our time. There are many literary talents and speakers in Russia.
  9. Kilgray
    Kilgray 11 June 2013 19: 34 New
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    The soldier has one god - honor.
    1. kris
      kris 11 June 2013 19: 44 New
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      Quote: Kilgray
      God has one soldier - honor

      I agree.
      Be you, my son, a faithful servant to God and the great sovereign.
      And where is even a word about the HOMELAND ?!
      so as not to anger in anything less than God
      Here gives in clerkhood! One bullying!
      Evgeny Rodionov- a real hero! And he did not commit the act because of the fear of God or fidelity to the present "sovereign".
      He fought for his FAMILY, MOTHERLAND, and not for God or the commander-in-chief!
      And the priests were promoting the heroic death of a RUSSIAN guy!
      1. Lynx
        Lynx 11 June 2013 20: 06 New
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        Quote: kris
        Evgeny Rodionov is a real hero! And he did not commit the act because of the fear of God or fidelity to the present "sovereign".
        He fought for his FAMILY, MOTHERLAND, and not for God or the commander-in-chief!
        And the priests were promoting the heroic death of a RUSSIAN guy!


        And do you know much about this man and his death?

        Evgeny Rodionov was killed in captivity on 23 on May 1996. Ruslan Khaikhoroyev admitted to the murder. In the presence of a foreign representative of the OSCE, he said: “... He had a choice to stay alive. He could change the faith, but he did not want to remove the cross from himself. I tried to escape ... ”[8]. On May 23, after 100 days of captivity and cruel torture, Yevgeny Rodionov and his colleagues were asked to remove the pectoral cross and convert to Islam. Evgeny Rodionov refused to remove the cross, for which he was beheaded.
        1. kris
          kris 11 June 2013 20: 12 New
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          Quote: Lynx
          Evgeny Rodionov was killed in captivity on 23 on May 1996. Ruslan Khaikhoroyev admitted to the murder. In the presence of a foreign representative of the OSCE, he said: “... He had a choice to stay alive. He could change the faith, but he did not want to remove the cross from himself. I tried to escape ... ”[8]. On May 23, after 100 days of captivity and cruel torture, Yevgeny Rodionov and his colleagues were asked to remove the pectoral cross and convert to Islam. Evgeny Rodionov refused to remove the cross, for which he was beheaded.

          Do not focus on the cross!
          Eugene was a REAL RUSSIAN HERO!
          1. Lynx
            Lynx 11 June 2013 20: 25 New
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            And I do not focus on the cross. Eugene did not agree to exchange his faith for someone else's.
            1. gribnik777
              gribnik777 11 June 2013 20: 37 New
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              The inscription on the grave:
              “Here lies the Russian soldier Evgeny Rodionov,
              defending the Fatherland and not having denied Christ,
              executed near Bamut on May 23, 1996. "

              1. Grey74
                Grey74 11 June 2013 22: 23 New
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                Just not executed, but killed, tortured. executes criminals state. bandits are killing.
                1. gribnik777
                  gribnik777 12 June 2013 12: 41 New
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                  Demonstrative, to show, murder is execution.
            2. kris
              kris 11 June 2013 20: 43 New
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              Quote: Lynx
              Eugene did not agree to exchange his faith for someone else's.

              FAITH and Christianity are not the same thing!
              1. Lynx
                Lynx 11 June 2013 21: 05 New
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                I understood that you have some complaints about Orthodoxy.
                Read more, study history, think and think. And then, I see, love to admire military merits and heroes, but you don’t know that Orthodoxy is a state-forming religion, and that it was inspired by many of the exploits of our wars, raising the morale of the soldier, being his spiritual and moral core.
                I just didn’t understand why you were screaming like a caps - RUSSIAN, RUSSIAN!
                A real Russian hero should not and cannot be Orthodox? And who was the Orthodox Suvorov? Non-Russian?
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                  1. Lynx
                    Lynx 11 June 2013 23: 23 New
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                    Quote: kris
                    Soldiers of the MOTHERLAND defended their HOUSE, their FAMILIES, and not the tsar or reign, who said that before Christianity wild barbarians lived in Russia!
                    And how many heroes performed feats without a cross on the belly!

                    I will not argue with you. You do not understand what a spiritual core is. It’s just for people like you that they make the patriarch ... not that person, focusing on his expensive watch and some of his words, to judge all of Orthodoxy, which has a hundred times more history than when you were on the throne of the present patriarch and retreated from the faith. To understand this, you need, at a minimum, not to have persistent hatred of the subject of study, obscuring the mind and not allowing you to consider the issue without peels imposed from the outside in the form of a watch and appearance that you are constantly distracted by.
                    As for the "cross on the belly" .. Again, external attributes. You do not know what was in the soul and in the head of a person.
                    And Evgeny Rodionov, with a cross on his chest, and not a hero already?
                    As for the one whom they defended, be so kind as to read the oath of the times of the Russian Empire. Oath of allegiance to the King. The motto “For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland” is probably empty words for you too. And you don’t know about the capture of Ishmael ..

                    The problem is not in Orthodoxy, but in the fact that all your knowledge of a thousand-year history has been crossed out, or rather, replaced by one watch and one phrase. And you did not even ask about the personality of this person - "maybe he is not the one for whom he claims to be?" Well, of course, why? It is also necessary to read and analyze the biography there, and falling into a stupor from the appearance and one phrase is much more convenient.
                    1. kris
                      kris 11 June 2013 23: 48 New
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                      Quote: Lynx
                      The problem is not in Orthodoxy, but in the fact that all your knowledge of a thousand-year history has been crossed out, or rather, replaced by one watch and one phrase.

                      And I didn’t talk about the clock!
                      I have my own FAITH. FAITH IN YOURSELF! FAITH IN KIND AND CLOSE! AND FAITH IN ITS HOMELAND!
                      And I have no desire to swear allegiance to the king! I swore allegiance to the MOTHERLAND!
                      Quote: Lynx
                      To understand this, you need, at a minimum, not to have persistent hatred of the subject of study, obscuring the mind and not allowing you to consider the issue without peels imposed from the outside in the form of a watch and appearance that you are constantly distracted by.

                      I do not hate. They are trying to impose Christianity on me, which is covered by Orthodoxy!
                      Quote: Lynx
                      And Evgeny Rodionov, with a cross on his chest, and not a hero already?

                      He is a HERO and without a cross!
                      1. Lynx
                        Lynx 11 June 2013 23: 59 New
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                        Quote: kris
                        And I didn’t talk about the clock!
                        I have my own FAITH. FAITH IN YOURSELF! FAITH IN KIND AND CLOSE! AND FAITH IN ITS HOMELAND!
                        And I have no desire to swear allegiance to the king! I swore allegiance to the MOTHERLAND!


                        When the people separate the Tsar from the Fatherland, a revolution occurs. A new government comes in and strikes, represses, a civil war begins.
                        The 1917 revolution of the year has not taught us anything in our time and in Libya.
                        Or do you care who and how will rule?

                        Quote: kris
                        He is a HERO and without a cross!

                        In my opinion, you did not understand the meaning of his feat. Not for the sake of the cross, of course, but for the sake of faith. For the one who today betrays the faith, exchanges it for someone else’s, tomorrow will betray his president (king), and the day after tomorrow - the country.
                      2. kris
                        kris 12 June 2013 00: 12 New
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                        Quote: Lynx
                        When the people separate the Tsar from the Fatherland, a revolution occurs. A new government comes in and strikes, represses, a civil war begins.
                        The 1917 revolution of the year has not taught us anything in our time and in Libya.
                        Or do you care who and how will rule?

                        Do not make yourself an idol!
                        Quote: Lynx
                        In my opinion, you did not understand the meaning of his feat. Not for the sake of the cross, of course, but for the sake of faith. For the one who today betrays the faith, exchanges it for someone else’s, tomorrow will betray his president (king), and the day after tomorrow - the country.

                        You are replacing concepts. The President and the MOTHERLAND are antonyms!
                        [img] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VljGoafGcg [/ img]
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                      4. consul
                        consul 12 June 2013 07: 49 New
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                        Pagans against Orthodox Christians, Jews against Orthodox Christians, Wahabbits against Orthodox Christians, Democrats and Liberals and Sodomites against Orthodox Christians, however, a campaign was picked up, as the enemy of my enemy says, my friend. Isn't it?
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          2. Sergey_K
            Sergey_K 12 June 2013 01: 14 New
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            I will support. And then the priests are already all that can be written as they deserve ...
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        2. fartfraer
          fartfraer 12 June 2013 17: 23 New
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          "Orthodoxy is a state-forming religion," and Russia is a secular state where religion should not solve any state issues. Read the definition of the word "state", and then try to fit your version under it.
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 11 June 2013 22: 12 New
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        Quote: kris
        FAITH and Christianity are not the same thing!

        Eco You my friend ....The tradition of trust clearly nourishes faith, but it also presupposes other shades of this phenomenon, which are reflected in many words and concepts of our language, our speech. For example, words and phrases: to believe, trust, hand, entrust, vest with confidence; confidential, confidential; gullible, gullible, holy simplicity, etc. are etymologically related, but at the same time they illustrate the variety of ordinary (everyday) shades of the fundamental meaning of the word faith. The peculiarity of understanding this variety of words concerns two, in essence, simple conditions. Firstly, faith implies our trust in another person, testifying about the world of “invisible things” and, secondly, trustfulness appears as a completely definite act that determines the direction of the action, behind which there is a tradition of trusting other people on similar issues with us .

        Of course, you can think a lot about the ordinary characteristics and semantic interweaving of the words in question. However, it is important to consider that understanding the true essence of faith is associated with turning to the deity, to God, and the manifestation in a person of such an internal necessity of turning to God is itself a manifestation of consciousness (at first, possibly obscured). Thus, from the ordinary understanding of the meaning of faith, we naturally proceed to the consideration of religious faith.

        The disclosure of the essence of religious faith presupposes the refinement of some characteristics of the concept of faith in connection with the consideration of the whole complex of problems of philosophical (and epistemological) significance related to the cultural and historical context of the formation of faith as an increase in the meaningful relationship of man to God. And if the experience of faith is always a purely personal, almost intimate experience, then the study of the formation of faith, finding out everything that is included in this feeling or what is behind this concept, implies a broader, philosophical view of the problem. Alekseev
    2. AntonR7
      AntonR7 11 June 2013 22: 59 New
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      And everything seems to me extremely simple for a Russian soldier such as E. Rodionov (by the way, there were a lot of people before the revolution, morals were high), Russian faith and duty to the Motherland are equally valuable and it is impossible to change the oath to the Orthodox spirit (beliefs, if you will) otherwise it’s already not you as they say because you betrayed both faith and patronymic and yourself.
      E. Rodionov was not the same as in the saying: "He was a faithful standard-bearer and was not distracted by anything even by changing colors on the canvas" - this is not about him.
  10. Orthodox warrior
    Orthodox warrior 12 June 2013 02: 14 New
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    kris
    Why is the cross that you hated so much? After Evgeny Rodionov, it is clearly stated that he did not refuse faith, the Orthodox faith! And for all of us, he is undoubtedly a hero! And believe me, this was not an isolated case in Chechnya! I personally knew two of these guys !!! Our scouts then told us how these of our comrades died. A video of the bearded was seen. Death is creepy! It would be scary for a rookie to watch such a thing. Yes, and we have already fought hard to bear it ... And the soldiers were tortured precisely because they did not abandon the Orthodox faith!
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      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 12 June 2013 17: 26 New
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        the church does not approve of idol worship, while all the churches weigh images of people whom people pray, as well as Christians carry a cross with a picture of a dead man. Is that strange? But no one remembers how baptism is carried out? Don’t tell me what symbolizes Cahors and prosvor ?
      2. Orthodox warrior
        Orthodox warrior 12 June 2013 17: 34 New
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        kris
        Do you understand the essence? Your words: "And those who do not wear crosses, but whom the spirits have tortured, are not heroes for you?" For me, all the heroes who fight for their homeland and die! And Evgeny Rodionov is a strong man, I agree with you. But you apparently did not understand why he died. He died because he did not betray the Orthodox faith! Do you understand this though, or you absolutely do not want to admit it? And here are your words: "remember the dashing 90s, All the lads with crosses on the floor of the belly!" But to look at them in the situation in which Evgeny Rodionov found himself. Yes, they will take off the cross and give up everything, just to save the skin. It's just that someone hangs a cross on himself, because it suddenly became fashionable for someone. And do not confuse the concept! And Evgeny Rodionov died precisely because of his refusal to remove the cross and convert to Islam! Do you understand now?
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 12 June 2013 17: 53 New
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          Orthodox warrior, I apologize for getting into your conversation, do not tell me what symbolizes the Cahors and pastries at baptism?
          1. Orthodox warrior
            Orthodox warrior 12 June 2013 23: 17 New
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            fartfraer,
            prosphora and wine are used at the Sacrament of Communion. During the Sacrament, wine and prosphora are transformed (transformed) into the Body and Blood of Christ!
  • Valery-SPB
    Valery-SPB 11 June 2013 19: 37 New
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    And in wartime, in all four fasting posts, take communion, and be ready to die every day.


    Strange, like that! Believed that, during the hostilities, the church allowed non-observance of fasting?
    1. gribnik777
      gribnik777 11 June 2013 20: 18 New
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      Quote: Valery-SPB
      Believed that, during the hostilities, the church allowed non-observance of fasting?


      Apparently, this came later, when the army became regular and very large.
    2. Yashka Gorobets
      Yashka Gorobets 11 June 2013 23: 15 New
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      The church permits the relaxation of fasting, but if a person fasted according to his piety, this was only welcomed. Besides, people fasted much faster than now.
  • Atlon
    Atlon 11 June 2013 19: 55 New
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    For faith, king and fatherland! "(C)
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  • individual
    individual 11 June 2013 20: 06 New
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    Before sending to attack the Russian warrior was always advised.
    Speech could be different, the meaning is always the same "For the Motherland!"
    1. Oksana
      Oksana 11 June 2013 20: 16 New
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      Damn, how YOU are right! There is no patriotism in the SOULS of recruits, or recruits !!! The word HOMELAND! For them, just a word!
      1. sashka
        sashka 11 June 2013 22: 18 New
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        Quote: Oksana
        Damn, how YOU are right! There is no patriotism in the SOULS of recruits, or recruits !!! The word HOMELAND! For them, just a word!

        Just a sound. Nothing binding.
  • gribnik777
    gribnik777 11 June 2013 20: 10 New
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    It is strange to see the cons of this article.
    The will was made at the beginning of the XVIII (1719) century and suddenly such a reaction! Can I disagree with him here? It was a completely different era with a different worldview, with a different meaning of life, with a different lifestyle. It turns out that they put the minuses of our history!

    POSOSHKOV Ivan Tikhonovich (1652-1726) - economist, public figure.

    Born in the village of Pokrovskoye, near Moscow. I.T. Pososhkov by origin - Moscow peasant, but his father and grandfather were engaged in craft.

    Interests I.T. Pososhkova is very wide: he was engaged in weapons business, invention, had distilleries. He became a merchant and entrepreneur, was an energetic business executive and public figure. He wrote deep economic and philosophical works “The Book of Poverty and Wealth”, “The Mirror of the Obvious”, “The Fatherly Testament”, “The Letter on the Money Case”, “On Military Behavior”, and “Report on Newly Starting Money”. In his writings, he acted as the ideologist of the emerging bourgeoisie of the era of the Petrine reforms. But the main specialty of I.T. Pososhkova - money business.

    Pososhkov lived and worked in the era of the Petrine reforms at the turn of the XVII — XVIII centuries. The Book of Poverty and Wealth (1724, ed. 1842) is Pososhkov's main economic work. It contains many ideas that were original and pioneering not only for that period, but also a hundred years later, when the scientific community was able to get acquainted with this work. Moreover, many ideas remain relevant for our time, and scientific approaches are included in the tools of institutional and neo-institutional directions in economic theory.
    Pososhkov was a sincere supporter of the reforms carried out by Peter I, just like the emperor, he saw the vices of the traditional structure of Russian society, did not subservient to hoary antiquity and proposed "the most drastic measures for the extermination of old evil." But unlike his contemporaries, Pososhkov was looking for the deep-seated causes of his current disorder and ways of reforming Russian society and the economy. A number of economic issues and problems were raised and discussed by contemporaries of Pososhkov, but he was the first to present them in the form of an integral system and a voluminous scientific treatise.
    Pososhkov wrote his book a year before the death of Peter I. Immediately after the death of Peter, Pososhkov was thrown into prison as a freethinker, where he died the following year.
  • sashka
    sashka 11 June 2013 20: 36 New
    +3
    We didn’t read it ourselves, but we remember the Testaments of the Fathers and Grandfathers. We will talk to our grandchildren as well. The word Read is OBLIGATORY. Honor Father and Mother. Honor your Motherland .. Have you ever been to the library? Everything according to the stories. It’s easier for me. The library is in the next entrance. It sounds silly .. And everything else WHERE? There you can sometimes find such interesting moments of the History of Russia Drop the comp. Just read and smell the paper that is older than you. What's the problem? How did they fight at Kalka, As in Chudsky, everyone knows .. And what before there were no other events?
  • George
    George 11 June 2013 20: 40 New
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    Quote: Lynx
    Quote: kris
    Evgeny Rodionov is a real hero! And he did not commit the act because of the fear of God or fidelity to the present "sovereign".
    He fought for his FAMILY, MOTHERLAND, and not for God or the commander-in-chief!
    And the priests were promoting the heroic death of a RUSSIAN guy!


    And do you know much about this man and his death?

    Evgeny Rodionov was killed in captivity on 23 on May 1996. Ruslan Khaikhoroyev admitted to the murder. In the presence of a foreign representative of the OSCE, he said: “... He had a choice to stay alive. He could change the faith, but he did not want to remove the cross from himself. I tried to escape ... ”[8]. On May 23, after 100 days of captivity and cruel torture, Yevgeny Rodionov and his colleagues were asked to remove the pectoral cross and convert to Islam. Evgeny Rodionov refused to remove the cross, for which he was beheaded.

    By the way, in 2003 a year in the Russian Orthodox Church they tried to canonize him (this was 4 years after his death, but it’s clear that in 99x the liberal mass media avoided the heroes ((well, Eugene didn’t fit into the created image of a Russian soldier in Chechnya: snotty slobbering, calling his mother, and ready to raise his hands before the first bearded man he met)), the initiator of this step was the chairman of the Committee for the Moral Revival of the Fatherland, priest of the Church of St. Nicholas in Pyzhi Archpriest Alexander Shargunov.
    However, father Alexander was late with his offer of a year or so for three or four. Then, in 2003, Kadyrov Sr. already reigned supreme in Chechnya, and the canonization of Yevgeny Rodionov, tortured by his comrades in the first Chechen one, was, as they say, “off topic”. And therefore, at the beginning of the 2004 of the year, the Synodal Commission for the Canonization of the Russian Orthodox Church refused to be counted as a saint because of the lack of reliable information about the death of a martyr in the church sense and that Rodionov led a conscious church life.

    In general, earlier our priests had to move - a year ago, in 1999 – 2000, “reliable information about the martyrdom” could still be found.
    But the people can’t cover their eyes and ears, and therefore the icons with Eugene appeared in the temples spontaneously.
    Which, after a year, they began to simply cover with other icons in the temples, not saying that people were tempted to be uncanonized saints, and this is intolerant of the "friendly" Chechnya.
    Moreover, as the newspaper Our Version on the Neva reports: “High officials appearing in churches strongly recommend removing the icon or hanging it with other images, since the active glorification of a politically incorrect saint impedes the international friendship of the Russian Orthodox Church with the Chechen people” (“Soldier-martyr Evgeny Rodionov is expelled from temples ”) (No. 19 (127), 24-30.05.2010).

    But this is a big digression.
    The covenant is good and wise. To him who fulfills his strength, patience, and will.
    1. sashka
      sashka 11 June 2013 20: 59 New
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      You're not right. “Priests” have nothing to do with it. Just the Russian Spirit. Which you can’t touch with your hands. (Our most important Military Secret) Only on your own skin. It means they’ve correctly educated .. A low bow to the Parents. and thanks.
      1. George
        George 12 June 2013 00: 03 New
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        Honestly, I didn’t understand what I’m wrong about.
        If you do this to me of course.
    2. gribnik777
      gribnik777 11 June 2013 21: 22 New
      +3
      Yes, of course, we got "... as always." The Monk Seraphim of Sarov was also canonized with difficulty. But, here's what's interesting:

      The Internet community “The Orthodox Charter in its entirety” announces the publication of a new edition of the military requiem on the website of the North American Conference of canonical Orthodox bishops. This funeral service is recommended to the Orthodox chaplains of the United States Army to commemorate the fallen soldiers on the Feast of the Beheading of John the Baptist and Dimitri’s Saturday.

      In the text of the release of the new edition of the service, in contrast to the ordinance familiar to Russian believers, there are many saints, most often martyr soldiers, both ancient and new (without a specific sequence according to the ranks of the saints or the chronology of their exploits). The last in this list is the “new martyr Evgeny Voin” - Evgeny Rodionov, an ordinary Russian army who died in Chechen captivity refusing to convert to Islam and remove the pectoral cross.

      The veneration of the martyr Eugene is growing every year. The icons of the martyr Eugene Warrior are already in Greek and Serbian temples. Now they began to appear and in Orthodox churches of American military bases.
    3. Yashka Gorobets
      Yashka Gorobets 11 June 2013 23: 22 New
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      According to the Russian tradition, the canonization of saints takes place no earlier than 50 years after the death of the celebrated, so Kadyrovism has nothing to do with it, and no one forbids home veneration. On the contrary, the more veneration among the people, the sooner they will be glorified.
  • sashka
    sashka 11 June 2013 21: 16 New
    +3
    If you know the beginning and the next point, then you can draw a line that will show where you can be. We do not know the Roots. Chopped off. So we are rushing around. You just have to admit the History written in a lie. And look for what it really is. But then the heads of so many people who “made a name” will fly. on this bullshit. We’ll have to wait. Until the generation of these “historians” dies out. Well, so as not to lose time, continue raising children in the Russian Spirit. Although, let’s remember something ... Besides us there are NO others ..
    1. 755962
      755962 11 June 2013 21: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: Sasha
      A story written by a lie


      God is not in power - but in truth (apostle Paul).
    2. Lynx
      Lynx 11 June 2013 21: 58 New
      +2
      "Until the generation of these" historians "dies out."
      History was rewritten under Lomonosov. The Germans copied. Some traveled around the countries and attributed to us, Russians, other people's customs. Like that we are unwashed, ill-bred, hungry, wild .. We, who went to the bathhouse every Friday, invented liquor and hunted in endless forests. This is when the French shit on the street, throwing garbage into the ditches near the houses, invented perfumes so that they could not feel the “aroma” and pulled fleas from their hair.
      Our history after 1917 was well "rubbed over".
      I agree that it is necessary to raise children in the Russian Spirit. Examples of heroism, thank God, are enough. Well, one must begin with respect and reverence for the fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers of the child.
      And you can try to understand history by analyzing and searching for the logical meaning of events, and not just blindly trusting what is written.
    3. sashka
      sashka 11 June 2013 21: 58 New
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      Quote: Sasha
      The story written by. Untrue

      I did not put a punctuation mark. Do not flip please.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 11 June 2013 21: 36 New
    +1
    Soldier commandment

    If you are draft boards
    Can't get past
    And serve you as a soldier
    Do not rush, brother, to grieve.

    Do not go into the eyes of the authorities,
    Do not blow your cheeks in the ranks,
    From the nurse, from the kitchen
    Never fall behind.


    If the situation is not clear
    Commander scratches turnip,
    Go to bed to sleep,
    And do not shame the uniform.

    If orders pour in,
    “Advance” and “Retreat”,
    Do not rush to do everything at once,
    We must wait a little.


    At a post in the "hot spot"
    Be on the alert, do not yawn,
    Do not believe a bush, not a bump,
    Shoot everything that moves.

    Attacking the house of the enemy
    Do not run a durik,
    Take your time, get a bullet
    And erge first throw.
  • illidar
    illidar 11 June 2013 22: 00 New
    +2
    I am a Tatar. Next year - urgent serve. What should I do?
    1. sashka
      sashka 11 June 2013 22: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: illidar
      I am a Tatar. Next year - urgent serve. What should I do?

      Not for Faith, not for the King. For those people whom you love and value. They are Your Homeland. There is no other. Do not be afraid and do not bend. You will be like everyone else, just a man. The main thing is not to forget that this is not a punishment. This is trust, so that they live in peace, hoping for you ..
    2. Lynx
      Lynx 11 June 2013 22: 47 New
      0
      Quote: illidar
      I am a Tatar. Next year - urgent serve. What should I do?

      Do not retreat from your obligations, do not throw words into the wind, do not betray.
      To paraphrase a well-known saying - it is not nationality that colors a person, but people that color (glorify) their nationality.

      Morprepud, thanks. I subscribe to your every word.
      Now with the interpretation and understanding of words is very bad. Not so understood, even one word, can change the meaning of the whole phrase.
    3. Stalinets
      Stalinets 12 June 2013 03: 03 New
      0
      To serve, as befits those who are Germans and others like them, they have broken their spine! Keep away from religion, be a WARRIOR, not a slave. yes
  • morprepud
    morprepud 11 June 2013 22: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Lynx
    ... The main thing is not to confuse meekness with lack of will.

    Good girl !!! Wash this one of the most successful clarifications in our statements !!! The main thing is EXACTLY !!!
    Neighbor, Tatar:
    I am a Tatar. Next year - urgent serve. What should I do?
    - Be proud !!!
    I want to add that our PRIDE is Shoigu, Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, and I’m mine by nationality - TUVINIAN !!! Good girl! and 1000 times, the Pride of Russia! More than 200 nationalities in Russia. And BAD will be to those who forget about THIS !!!
    1. kris
      kris 11 June 2013 22: 53 New
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      Quote: morprepud
      what else is our PRIDE now Shoigu, Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation,

      and you standing wrote this phrase?
      or sing with ordinary emergency workers. They will tell a lot of interesting things.
      Quote: morprepud
      More than 200 nationalities in Russia

      That's only RUSSIANs less and less!
  • nokki
    nokki 11 June 2013 22: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: Lynx
    And do not blame the uncle who did not raise your child.



    Your post is very faithful: I will subscribe to every word!
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      1. Lynx
        Lynx 12 June 2013 00: 12 New
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        Quote: kris
        And many of today's parents were actively soldered by the Russian Orthodox Church, being in the 90s the main importer of alcohol!

        You just reminded me of one lady - she wrote that children are soldered in church! Then it turned out that she called the Sacrament of Communion “soldering of children”. Well, you know, there are such people - they will find somewhere a bottle of vodka with a commercially-printed label "Bogorodskaya" or the like. and now they rush - "Ah, you see, what is the true face of the ROC !!"
        As for the importer of alcohol, this is a serious statement. I hope you again misunderstood something.

        Quote: kris
        You are not confused by the duplicity of the Gundyaevsky

        In the 90s, Gundyaev was not yet.
        And about him - read about ecumenism. Only not where he, this ecumenism, is praised.
        1. kris
          kris 12 June 2013 00: 39 New
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          Quote: Lynx
          You just reminded me of one lady - she wrote that children are soldered in church! Then it turned out that she called the Sacrament of Communion “soldering of children”. Well, you know, there are such people - they will find somewhere a bottle of vodka with a commercially-printed label "Bogorodskaya" or the like. and now they rush - "Ah, you see, what is the true face of the ROC !!"
          As for the importer of alcohol, this is a serious statement. I hope you again misunderstood something.

          Do not distort. I meant that in the 1996 year, the ROC imported 20% of cigarettes and 5% of alcohol in the country !!!
          1. GreatRussia
            GreatRussia 12 June 2013 01: 33 New
            +2
            that in 1996 the ROC imported 20% of cigarettes and 5% of alcohol in the country !!!


            Here is the author of this stuffing:

            The informer and scammer Bychkov once again lost the court.

            “Mr. Bychkov’s articles are more like a stream of not very healthy consciousness than conscious defamation. Professional defamators still do not compose their texts solely from delusions, as this journalist is unable to even approximately reproduce the name of the criticized book and the position of its author ", - said R. Silantyev.

            He also emphasized that "tobacco-vodka scandals, intrigues in the Holy Synod and the diseases of its permanent members exist only in the inflamed imagination of Mr. Bychkov".

            http://www.interfax-religion.ru/atheism/?act=news&div=27979"]http://www.int

            erfax-religion.ru/atheism/?a...s&div=27979

            Earlier, the court convicted the leading religious section of the Moscow Komsomolets Bychkov that:

            "He (Bychkov. - approx. Plaintiff) is lying ... it's ... a crazy scammer who wrote to the KGB in other spiritual children of Father Alexander Me denunciations ... This is a mentally ill person ... who takes out personal grief of the schizophrenic plan ... now he draws up his denunciations in the form of articles ... "

            http://www.interfax-religion.ru/?act=documents&div=581"]http://www.interfax

            -religion.ru/?act=documents&div=581
            1. Aleksys2
              Aleksys2 12 June 2013 06: 45 New
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              Quote: GreatRussia
              The informer and scammer Bychkov once again lost the court.

              The Russian Orthodox Church does not deny the fact of transactions on the import of tobacco and alcohol products, but does not recognize the personal interest in them of the future Patriarch. Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin and religious scholar R. A. Silantyev filed lawsuits (and won trials) for libel against journalist Sergei Bychkov on other issues, but this was not done personally by Metropolitan Kirill or other hierarchs regarding media materials ROC.
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      2. isp96
        isp96 12 June 2013 01: 27 New
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        whose will you be?
        1. Genady1976
          Genady1976 12 June 2013 02: 13 New
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          laughing just like in the movies. whose slave will you smile Ivan Vasilievich
  • Savva30
    Savva30 11 June 2013 22: 55 New
    +1
    Tips of captain Kulchytsky
    V.M. Kulchitsky
    Labor captain V.M. Kulchitsky's "Tips for the Young Officer" in just the years from 1915 to 1917, has been published in six editions. The seventh was prevented by the events of October seventeenth.
    “Advice to a young officer,” wrote their author, “is equally useful both in front-line positions and in the rear of the army. Their goal is the desire to prevent inexperienced military youth from a false, destructive step. Here are collected old, but eternal truths that are forgotten by most, but unknown to young officers. "
    BASIS AND ESSENCE OF MILITARY SERVICE

    Believe in God, be loyal to the Sovereign Emperor, his family and love the Motherland.
    The first and main commandment and duty of a soldier is loyalty to the Sovereign Emperor and the Fatherland. Without this quality, he is not suitable for military service.
    The integrity of the Empire and the maintenance of its prestige are based on the strength of the army and navy; their quality and shortcomings respond throughout the country, so it is not your business to get involved in social issues and political intelligence; your job is to steadily fulfill your duties.
    Put above all the glory of the Russian army.
    Be brave. But courage is true and feigned. The arrogance inherent in youth is not courage. The military should always be prudent and ponder his actions calmly and carefully. If you are sharp and arrogant, everyone will hate you.
    Obey discipline.
    Respect your superiors and trust him.
    Be afraid to break your duty - this will forever lose your good name.
    The officer must be faithful and truthful. Without these qualities, it is almost impossible for a military to remain in the army. Veren - a man doing his duty; truthful - if he does not change his word. Therefore, never promise if you are not sure that you will fulfill the promise.
    Be polite and modest in dealing with all people.
    The best part of courage is caution.
    etc.
  • morprepud
    morprepud 11 June 2013 23: 00 New
    0
    Quote: kris
    and you standing wrote this phrase? Or sing with ordinary emergency workers. They will tell a lot of interesting things.

    And you and grandmothers at the market "talk" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. kris
      kris 11 June 2013 23: 08 New
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      Quote: morprepud
      And you and grandmothers at the market "talk" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Have we switched to you? Or byd forever!
      1. Lynx
        Lynx 12 June 2013 00: 34 New
        +8
        Quote: kris
        Have we switched to you? Or byd forever!

        Calling a person for this byd_lom is far from a sign of aristocracy, but quite the opposite.

        That's your whole ideology - "only for yourself, only for your family, and those around you - byd_lo." Moreover, not some people around, but compatriots.
        It is sad that such comments appear in the comments under the article on heroism.
        1. kris
          kris 12 June 2013 00: 40 New
          -4
          Quote: Lynx
          Calling a person for this byd_lom is far from a sign of aristocracy, but quite the opposite.

          That's your whole ideology - "only for yourself, only for your family, and those around you - byd_lo." Moreover, not some people around, but compatriots.
          It is sad that such comments appear in the comments under the article on heroism.

          a person knows how to oppose without slipping into insults! but byd-no!
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 11 June 2013 23: 26 New
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    Quote: smel
    Mikhan !!! Despite the cons - I will support. The article is correct. These words are not only Orthodox believers spoke. About this and the Russians knew despite their pagan origin. With the roots, we absorbed all this. So there can be no talk of cunning. And the fact that there is no more pleasant smell than the smell of a rotting enemy - we also know. So just read Kuprin. And especially his "Briget". There about us ... About Russians ...

    Right .. !! I’m just looking for a dirty trick as usual .. Slave the Slavs .. !!! The cons are correct ..
  • Valery-SPB
    Valery-SPB 11 June 2013 23: 32 New
    +1
    gribnik777
    Quote: Valery-SPB
    Believed that, during the hostilities, the church allowed non-observance of fasting?

    Apparently, this came later, when the army became regular and very large.


    Foggy! What period? In what years did it become both regular and numerous?
    It must be understood that the author was, first and foremost, an entrepreneur, built distilleries (he drove vodka). He did not serve in the army. This work is moral, reflecting the internal ideas of the author. One can consider, like those works of the early, before, and later, after the author, writers on the ideal, rather than real, structure of society, for example. The composition does not belong to the practical fulfillment of military duties, it is only literary work. These are all dreams of an ideal world order, of an ideal Russian soldier, etc.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 11 June 2013 23: 36 New
    +2
    And I read Kuprin .. and I generally liked reading and love .. Since childhood I remember the smell of books .. and shelves in libraries .. Now everyone is googling .. youtube .. all kinds of links ....
  • Cat
    Cat 12 June 2013 01: 23 New
    -2
    faith can be treated differently ...
    but, seeing the picture at the beginning of the article, for some reason there is a desire - to have nothing to do with this faith. Generally. Because the first thought is not about God, not about faith - but about that nonsense, which is called the import word "PR". I would even say dirty PR.

    Perhaps in the days of Suvorov or Kutuzov everything was different, maybe then they really went into battle "for faith, for the tsar." But then faith was then - another.

    Our grandfathers, because they did not need this very faith in this very God. It’s not that everyone was an ideological atheist, rather the opposite, but they fought for their homeland. The one that is Mother. Also in the rear - in the name of their children and mothers for days at the machines stood on a sparse rear rations. And not in the name of God.
    The Germans, who came to destroy our people, they had it, Gott mit uns. And many of them, too, seriously believed that they were going for a just cause. And it doesn’t matter whether they are Orthodox there, or crooked Orthodox. God, one at all, just different priests.
    And after all grandfathers reached Berlin, having trampled along the way into the mud of these, with whom God. And they left signatures on the ruins of the Reichstag - it's just that hardly among those signatures were words for the glory of God.


    Now what? What is Vera now, where does she come from? Priests who really advocate for faith, for the salvation of the soul - a rare endangered species, preserved somewhere in remote villages. And even then not in all. The rest pass safely under the article "submit to the temple of God." Which temple to God, if any, is very conditional. Churches, one another is more magnificent, and as a person to spend the last journey, to meet with God - so regret the money. How to christen a child - again, money in advance. And then what for God such souls for which are not paid. Not to God - intermediaries are not paid.

    Returning to the caricature (I’m not afraid of this word) by Yevgeny Rodionov, whom the author illustrated his article:
    In early 2004, the Synodal Commission for the Canonization of the Russian Orthodox Church refused to canonize due to the lack of reliable information about the death of a martyr in the church sense, and that Rodionov led a conscious church life (C)
    Translated into Russian - the courage and courage of a guy who did not break down and did not betray - for the clergy, as it were, is not an argument at all. It’s not enough to die for the Motherland — one must die for God, and not anyhow, but martyrly. Plus, it’s also righteous to live before that - observe the posts there, go to church and put candles in the right places. And only in this case they recognize him as a hero.

    And here it is, so to speak, faith, it is proposed to invest in the minds of sons, defenders of the motherland.

    Ugh.
    1. lexe
      lexe 12 June 2013 18: 13 New
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      My grandfather didn’t get to Berlin. He was seriously injured, the Kursk Bulge. He believed in God until his death. In 1941-42, do you think ordinary village guys were atheists? Many of them died in the fields (and mothers prayed for them at home in the villages) and they didn’t see Berlin. They didn’t fight, do you think? The religious aspect was hushed up. Still, the collective farmer did not win the war yet, but the Russian peasant with the Orthodox faith from his fathers and mothers.
  • Stalinets
    Stalinets 12 June 2013 03: 01 New
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    The peasant said, but it seems that the priest said. From my point of view, do not confuse church affairs and military affairs. They are diametrically opposite. God - God, Caesar Caesarean. The oath teaches the very right. I can not stand the pair that climb into the souls of soldiers. Suppose, anywhere, but, damn it, just not in the army ... angry
    1. Delink
      Delink 12 June 2013 05: 49 New
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      When in a moment of despair, to whom you often turn: "God save and save!". Is not it?
      And cross yourself three times. So this is not an integral part. And everything is written correctly. Many believers. And even more atheists. Yes, the father was present in the old army. And before the attack he read prayers.
  • Delink
    Delink 12 June 2013 05: 44 New
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    It is interesting that for 12 Antichrist minusanuli article.
  • Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 12 June 2013 07: 20 New
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    Are you serious? What nonsense is PGMnutnaya in the 21 of that century?
    1. radio operator
      radio operator 3 July 2013 13: 39 New
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      Quote: Ram Chandra
      Are you serious? What nonsense is PGMnutnaya in the 21 of that century?

      This article is for Russian people.
  • 9617464392
    9617464392 12 June 2013 08: 03 New
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    whatever they say, but the article is strong, encourages good.
    1. Slav
      Slav 21 July 2013 11: 01 New
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      Quote: 9617464392
      whatever they say, but the article is strong, encourages good.

      Definitely!
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  • Dimka off
    Dimka off 12 June 2013 16: 04 New
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    everything is correctly said. The words are good.
  • morprepud
    morprepud 12 June 2013 17: 55 New
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    The main STRENGTH in this article is in its PATRIOTISM!
    Agree that not every "modern" general or even an officer will be able to write such a message to his son that we saw in an article from a "simple Russian peasant" of those distant years !!! And, now, I don’t even want to compare how the best of the best were selected for the army of the times of Maxim Perepelitsa or Taras Bulba ... and now, different family tricks in order to "get out" !!!
  • Mergenchi
    Mergenchi 17 June 2013 15: 59 New
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    Great message, sorry for the first time I see. I also really like the "Message of Vladimir Monomakh to Children" - the wisdom of our ancestors - warriors. "Neither beast nor war, my children fear and do the work of men, as God sends"
    Everything about the case is written in Pososhkov’s will, the soldier’s conscience must be clear, so that the head works clearly and the body works on the machine. I do not understand people who are minus the article. Is the call to flee betrayal, fornication, theft, disobedience can harm the warrior?
    In general, an Orthodox soldier needs to issue a memo to reinforce in the service tags. First of all, I would advise everyone to consecrate the weapon, Psalm 90 so that it “flies from the teeth,” well, before using the weapon, it should be overshadowed with the cross banner.
    God bless the Orthodox army!
  • radio operator
    radio operator 3 July 2013 13: 37 New
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    Good article!
    How have I not seen her before?
  • Slav
    Slav 21 July 2013 11: 07 New
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    And you, my son, for the sake of the Lord, do not be impudent, but be gentle with every person. From this you will not be brave in the war, if you will offend your own, Orthodox Christians.

    Excellent article!
    The revival of Suvorov traditions.
  • Slav
    Slav 21 July 2013 11: 08 New
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    And you, my son, for the sake of the Lord, do not be impudent, but be gentle with every person. From this you will not be brave in the war, if you will offend your own, Orthodox Christians.

    Excellent article!
    The revival of Suvorov traditions.