War of civilizations

"Bells"

June 6 FSB special forces detained the leader of a Moscow region terrorist gang Yulai Davletbaev. He is not from the North Caucasus, which has long become common news for Russia, and from the Volga region - Bashkiria. Two weeks before that, on the evening of May 20, the Russian FSB destroyed a group of terrorists in Orekhovo-Zuyevo who were preparing a major terrorist attack in the Russian capital. Two gangsters were killed, the third - Robert Amerkhanov - was detained and imprisoned on suspicion of preparing a terrorist act, banditry and illegal manufacturing and trafficking weapons. Two of the criminals were residents of the Republic of Bashkortostan, which in 2010-2013. passed sabotage and terrorist training on the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan. Three Russians belonged to the Islamic Party of Turkestan international terrorist organization. According to the FSB, several dozens of Bashkirian residents have undergone training under the military-sabotage training program in special camps located in the Afghan-Pakistan border area, and currently there are about 50 immigrants from this republic.

Reference. Islamic Party of Turkestan. The party was created in 1996 and was originally called the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (Islamic Revival Party of Uzbekistan). The basis of the party consisted of militants group Jumaboy Khodzhiev (Juma Namangani), he became the head of the military unit. The political leader of the movement was Takhir Yuldashev, the head of the press center and deputy head - Rustamov Makhmud. The fate of Khodzhiev is quite typical for many figures of the radical Islamist underground: in the 1980s. served in the Airborne Forces, fought in Afghanistan, after serving in the army fell under the influence of local religious activists. He took part in the hostilities in Tajikistan. The headquarters of the movement before the invasion of NATO forces in Afghanistan was located in the city of Kandahar. Many members of the Islamic movement received training in special camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and took part in the civil war in Tajikistan on the side of the United Tajik Opposition. The field commanders of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan refused to comply with the agreement signed by the Tajik government and the opposition, and in 1999, they invaded the southern districts of Kyrgyzstan. Many militants took part in the fight against NATO forces, Khodzhiev died during the bombing. In May, 2001 was reorganized into the Islamic Party of Turkestan (Hezb and Islomi Turkeston). After leaving the Afghan territory, the armed formations of the Islamic movement, under the authority of Tahir Yuldashev, settled in the Pakistani provinces of North and South Waziristan, where they took part in the struggle against the armed forces of Pakistan on the side of the Taliban. In December 2002, the militants of the party organized a terrorist attack in Bishkek, and in May 2003 of the year - in Osh. The activities of the Islamic Party were supported, directed and funded by foreign Islamic religious organizations, which are aimed at creating a network of radical religious organizations in Uzbekistan and the former Soviet republics. The party's program includes the task of creating the “Great Caliphate”, which should include the territories of Central Asia, the Caucasus and the Volga regions of the Russian Federation. The Islamic Party of Turkestan is engaged in recruiting and military training, agents are then sent to the regions of their activity, promoting their ideas. By the decision of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation of February 14 of 2003, the Islamic Party of Turkestan was recognized as terrorist and its activities were banned in Russia.

The threat of the collapse of Russia. On May 14, the working group of the National Strategy Institute prepared a report entitled “Map of Ethnoreligious Threats: the North Caucasus and the Volga Region”. President of the National Strategy Institute Mikhail Remizov, presenting a report at a press conference in Interfax, said that migrants in the Russian Federation are the social base for spreading the ideas of radical Islam. Illegal migrants are hostile to Russian society. According to Remizov: "This is an excellent environment for the spread of fascist ideology on a religious basis." The Russian authorities have already begun to recognize this problem, but the measures taken are absolutely not enough to resolve this issue. The expert proposed to stop the practice of patronage of Islamism at the top, radically change the migration policy and ensure the cessation of discrimination of Russians in the national republics of the Russian Federation. Urgent measures are needed to strengthen the ethnic core of Russia - the Russians.

Co-author of the report, head of the Privolzhsky Center for Regional and Ethnic-Religious Studies of the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies Rais Suleymanov concluded that Radical Islam is spreading rapidly in the Volga region, where a very dangerous situation develops, similar to the one that was in the North Caucasus region in the 1990s. And in the Volga region negative processes develop faster. Next in line is Siberia, where the centers of radical Islam have already appeared.

He noted that after the collapse of the USSR, a "religious revival" occurred in the Volga region, to which foreign religious centers had a hand. Turkish and Arab missionaries began to penetrate into the region, Volga youth were given the opportunity to study in the Arab states, after which they occupied posts in the system of Muslim spiritual rule. This led to the wide spread of Wahhabism in Russia. By 2010, businessmen and officials appeared among the supporters of Wahhabism, bureaucracy, business and Wahhabi clergy merged. In the Republic of Tatarstan for the first time local militants appeared. Russia was stunned by the phrase: “a counter-terrorist operation is underway in Kazan”.

Another author of the report, historian Andrei Yepifantsev, speaking about the situation in the North Caucasus region, noted that in 1990-ies, under conditions of a power vacuum in the North Caucasus, the population self-organized along religious or ethnic lines, that is, there was a rollback into the past, the archaization of a vast area Russia. As a result, at present a significant part of the inhabitants of the region do not feel themselves to be citizens of Russia. And the main role in this is played not by an external factor, but by an internal one.

The report provided a map of the spread of Wahhabism in the Russian Federation by region. The “most Wahhabised” regions are one-third of the Federation from the North Caucasus and Karelia to Yakutia and Primorye. In varying degrees, the virus of radical Islam struck almost all the subjects of the Russian Federation, except for Chukotka. From Saudi Arabia, Wahhabism penetrated into the North Caucasus, and from there throughout Russia. At the end of 1990, the beginning of 2000, when the government began to show some resistance to the destruction of Russian statehood, radical Islam changed tactics somewhat - it was divided into underground structures and legal, “educational” movements. The legal wing outwardly distanced itself from the underground, taking on the role of “soft influence”, information penetration, recruitment of new members, penetration into state structures. Wahhabis plan to establish themselves as a legal party, with the gradual interception of traditional Muslims, to gain positions in power (including the Ministry of Internal Affairs), starting from the regional level (as is happening in Dagestan). The quality of the already visible future is the adjustment of Russian legislation, in the direction of greater freedom, autonomy of the regions in the sphere of religion, local laws (life according to Sharia), etc.

Radical Islamist underground in Tatarstan. In mid-May, the Supreme Court of the Republic of Tatarstan granted the petition of the prosecutor of the republic to liquidate the Al-Ikhlas parish. In this parish, the prosecutor’s check revealed signs of extremist activity, which included the incitement of religious hatred, propaganda of exclusivity, superiority of a person on the basis of his religious affiliation, storage of extremist materials for their mass distribution, etc. In particular, materials from the international terrorist organization Hizb ut-Tahrir al-Islami ". In addition, the prosecutor's office recognized the identity of the symbolism of the Islamists, who carried out their actions in Tatarstan in 2012, the symbolism used by members of the international terrorist organization Hizb ut-Tahrir al Islami.

Novosibirsk imams received suspended sentences. On May 27, the court sentenced two Novosibirsk imams, Ilkhom Merazhov and Kamil Odilov, to one year’s imprisonment for the propaganda of the ideas of the Turkish philosopher Said Nursi. The criminal case was opened in 2011 year. The Imam of the Spiritual Administration of the Muslims of the Asian part of Russia Ilkhom Merazhov and Imam Kamil Odilov were accused of propaganda of S. Nursi and that they were representatives of the Nurdzhular movement founded by him. Several works of Nursi were recognized as extremist, and the activities of "Nurcular" in the Russian Federation were banned from 2008 year. Both imams came under the 282 article. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, members of the religious organization “Nurdzhular” have intensified their activities in the region since May 2008, and it continued through the 2011 year. The organization’s activists disseminated extremist religious literature, promoted radical ideas and recruited new members of the organization using conspiracy methods.

The FSB has discovered a new channel for supplying professional spies to the Russian Federation. 30 May, Head of the FSB Counter-Intelligence Analysis and Coordination Analysis Department, Alexander Roshchupkin, said that among the illegal migrants living in the Russian Federation there are people who threaten Russia's national security. This statement was made at the parliamentary hearings in the Federation Council of the Russian Federation, where the problems of legal support for countering illegal migration were discussed. According to the deputy head of the FSB, the security service reliably established that "certain forces inside illegal migration are conducting subversive and intelligence activities against Russia, settling under the guise of migrants to carry out subversive terrorist activities." A senior intelligence official said that the FSB was conducting a series of measures to combat such agents. In particular, agents of foreign intelligence services who worked in Russia under the guise of migrants in the North Caucasus were identified.

According to Alexander Roshchupkin, illegal migration is becoming an additional lever to destabilize the situation in Russia. Ethnic enclaves (Chinatowns) are formed in the country, which live according to their traditions and rules. Thus, foreign intelligence services receive a "lever" with which you can rock the situation in the country. Under the guise of a migrant, foreign fighters can enter the Russian Federation who have gained combat experience during the Arab Spring in the Middle East, as well as in camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan. As Roshchupkin stressed, the special services of foreign countries, various destructive forces and foreign non-governmental movements also contribute to undermining the state structure of the Russian Federation.

The head of the FSB counterintelligence analysis coordination department reported that a whole underground industry already exists in Russia, which exists on the basis of exploiting the labor of illegal migrants. This situation, given that the borders are now transparent, and organized crime takes advantage of gaps in the legislation, carries with it a number of serious threats to the security of Russia. At the same time, Roshchupkin said that the authorities do not have exact data on how many migrants in the country, who actually moved in and left. This is a very serious problem. There is a loss of control over the processes that are taking place in Russia.

The deputy head of the FMS, Anatoly Fomenko, who spoke at the same meeting, said that about 3,3 million people live illegally in the territory of the Russian Federation. They are mainly concentrated in large cities and industrial regions, which increases the threat to the national security of the country if the situation develops according to the scenario of the “Arab spring”. Head of the Main Department for the Protection of Public Order of the Ministry of the Interior Yuri Demidov said that the increase in crimes that were committed in Russia by visitors from other states continues, in 2013, this figure increased by 6%. Chairman of the Federation Council Committee on Defense and Security, Alexander Chekalin, said that last year migrants committed more than 42 thousand crimes in Russia.

Crimean threat. 6 June in the Crimean capital was a crowded rally of supporters of the revival of the Islamic Caliphate. Supporters of the radical organization Hizb ut-Tahrir (it is banned in Russia) held a mass rally dedicated to the 89 anniversary of the destruction of the Caliphate (Islamic theocratic state). In 1924, Mustafa Kamal Ataturk issued a decree on the expulsion of the Caliph, the separation of religion from the state and the creation of a secular state - the Turkish Republic. So the last Caliphate officially ceased to exist. stories - Ottoman. It should be noted that in recent years there has been a tendency to recreate the Caliphate, with both Turks and Arabs taking the role of initiators. Modern Turkey is increasingly recalling the Ottoman Empire, the ideology of Pan-Turkism and neo-Ottomanism is becoming more and more popular, it is promoted by the Turkish political elite.

Hizb ut-Tahrir is not registered in Ukraine, but this does not prevent us from openly promoting its ideas to a number of Muslim communities and organizations. Ukrainian Islamists have already noted actions in support of Syrian insurgents and recruiting young gangs that are fighting against the legitimate government in Syria. Radicals come to establish a rule based on Sharia law in Crimea. The slogans that promulgated the radical Islamists are very eloquent: “We are the one Ummah”, “Muslims are one people”, “One Caliphate is one Ummah”, “We are Muslims, our ideology is Islam, our Constitution is the Koran”. Crimea is gradually turning into a springboard for spreading the ideas of radical Islam in Ukraine and Russia.

The main reasons for the growing threat to national security

- The lack of state ideology and as a result of the work of the state apparatus, the media on the minds of citizens of the country. Russia, at least since 1991, is a “clean board” where it was possible to write anything. The result is already noticeable. Some citizens of the country consider Russia to be “this” country and at the first sign of a serious threat will make legs. Others join the ranks of the builders of the "World Caliphate." Although with due attention of the state - the Russian, Tatar, Bashkir, Dagestan youth would build "Great Russia".

- Almost complete freedom in the sphere of religious, public organizations, the work of the media. West and East have all the opportunities to create an environment from which to recruit activists. As a result, a part of the youth was turned into a corrupted mass, a “marsh” with a complete lack of patriotism (if only a “couch” - to cheer on your favorite team while drinking beer), internal discipline. The other part, while a minority, was able to find itself by participating in various, foreign global projects. We see representatives of the Caucasus, the Volga region and the Crimea fighting in Syria, studying in camps in the territory of Afghanistan and Pakistan, being soldiers of the “Great Caliphate”. And if the state in Russia carried out the tasks assigned to it, they could become servicemen of the Russian army, pilots, seamen, doctors, teachers, engineers, etc.

What to do?

As events of recent years have shown, the state has all the leverage to successfully fight radical Islam, especially underground structures. The arrests of militants, the prohibitions of radical organizations, the prohibition of materials inciting ethnic and religious strife, etc. However, force, prohibitive measures are not enough, they are necessary, but must go hand in hand with the education of Russian citizens. Without the revival of state ideology in Russia, which will unite the overwhelming majority of citizens, it is impossible to defeat this infection. It is impossible to defeat the idea with punitive measures (without the total destruction of its carriers, which is impossible). An idea can be supplanted only by a fairer ideology. The fight against terrorists, gangs, radical organizations, materials with an alien ideology is necessary, but this is the lower level in the hierarchy of governance. And at the top level - ideological, conceptual, in Russia - the emptiness that our geopolitical rivals from the West and the East successfully fill. Russia needs ideology as air, otherwise sooner or later we will be crushed.

Sources:
In Tatarstan, recognized: rallies in Kazan were held under the flags of "Hizb ut-Tahrir" // http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1658763.html
Islamic Party of Turkestan // http://ria.ru/spravka/20130606/941803716.html#13707912082144&message=resize&relto=login&action=removeClass&value=registration
Ethno-religious threat map. Part 1 // http://www.interfax-religion.ru/?act=analysis&div=195
Ethno-religious threat map. Part 2 // http://www.interfax-religion.ru/?act=analysis&div=196
“We are the united Ummah” // http://svpressa.ru/society/article/69064/
Novosibirsk imams received suspended sentences for Nursi's propaganda // http://ria.ru/nsk/20130527/939643350.html#13707894661843&message=resize&relto=register&action=addClass&value=registration
Today's Volga region reminds the North Caucasus 90 years: expert // http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1658466.html
Among the migrants there were spies // http://interfax.ru/russia/txt.asp?id=309734
FSB of Russia: Militants neutralized in the Moscow Region were members of the Islamic Party of Turkestan // http://fergana.mobi/news/20667

Comments

[Lech from ZATULINKI]

I myself live in NOVOSIBIRSK and by the nature of my work I have to contact ordinary Tajiks. Uzbeks. As a rule, they are quite friendly people.
However, nothing is known about the incoming imams and preachers, and what is unclear on their minds.
All the same, I believe that it is impossible to prevent the accumulation of critical mass in the form of GASTRASTERS and HIRED WORK FORCES from the south because this will someday spill over into the new KOSOVO but already on the territory of RUSSIA.

[sergo0000]

Lech from ZATULINKI
This and that is unknown! The Orthodox will not go to the mosque and what they sing to the ears of the parishioners is not clear to the inexperienced. Only I notice among the "Russians" many go to this mosque for namaz. and the soul of a young adolescent, that is, ideology, striving for self-knowledge! This is exactly what the article says. Only I think this is not a simple matter! After all, in fact, not in Russia alone, at a given period of time, these searches are going on. All normal people are looking for such a just world order , which would suit all segments of the population. And this is not yet possible. Once again I will give the example of Syria, what was the ideology there!?
And the war came to their native land — almost the whole country with all its religions and faiths came to its defense! From the Orthodox to the Muslim and Armenian! Maybe it’s not only an ideology !?

[Kahlan amnell]

... the soul of a young lad aspiring to self-knowledge ...

This is possible only through knowledge! Religion can to form only the moral part of the personality and solely by its purest and loftiest ideals. But where are these ideals now? ...
And did not religion become a bargaining chip? ...
PS
I don't remember who said: "Faith dies when religion comes."

[sergo0000]

Quote: Kahlan Amnell

: "Faith dies when religion comes."

Apparently so!

[yak69]

"" ... at the top level - ideological, conceptual, in Russia - a void that is successfully filled by our geopolitical rivals from the West and the East .... "
We are already crumpled and pretty much! Every normal citizen understands and sees this, does not understand and does not see only the country's leadership. Or they all just do not care and they hope to dump at a critical moment. I find no other explanation.
It is obvious to everyone that without a foundation there is no structure. The foundation is ideology-intelligible, simple, fair. I can assume that the upper ones are afraid of just this - a simple and fair ideology. After all, then things will need to be done in accordance with such an ideology. And it will be impossible to hide behind beautiful blah blah about a good life for the people. There is an ideology, there are distinct goals in it, and then it is clear how to go towards them. But there is no ideology, and there is no goal of social development either. Those who know exactly what they want will fill the void.
As a result, we can get the mass sympathies of the young for radical Islam. And this is understandable, people are tired of lawlessness and arrogant neglect of their rights. A person wants clear, and most importantly fair, rules of life. Even radical Islam offers such rules: respect for elders and love for children, traditional family values, honest work and fair distribution, spiritual guidelines in return for money-grubbing and debauchery.
As soon as a "strong hand" appears with clear rules of life, a sharp increase in the number of those who are ready to stand under the banner of such a person will immediately begin.
He spoke and I will say that the current leadership of the country is not able to systematically confront numerous threats until it proclaims a clear ideological doctrine of Russia! Hurray patriots can continue to shout and write laudatory odes to Putin and his entourage, but this will not mitigate those serious dangers looming over our society and statehood.
When national uprisings begin in Moscow and the Moscow region, followed by a blaze in the Caucasus, the Volga region and beyond the Urals (places where there is a rapid concentration of immigrants and followers of Islam), then Putin's fans will face another question: "Who is licking now?"
For me personally, it is obvious that the measures that are being taken today are not just not enough, they are negligible! All that Putin is credited with is steps, not even yesterday. Today it is necessary to unite society by pursuing a fair social policy (one stool is worth it!), Creating jobs (industrialization 2.0), developing education and science (which are worth Lebanese and Fursen!), Developing medicine (not closing maternity hospitals and giving free blood!), Developing sports (muDko will greatly develop sports), etc. etc.
I constructively criticize Putin and his pack. Now object to me constructively, fans of the current government, what Putin is doing to prevent the collapse of the state (just don’t need to purchase weapons! Weapons without a citizen are metal).

[yak69]

And further. I’m even scared to think about what would happen to the creatures, like little snacks, if they try to do something similar in a mosque. I also can not imagine ranting at the official level about the freedom of all kinds of dirty minorities somewhere in a country with even traditional Islam. I can’t imagine how condoms are laid out somewhere at the monument to the national hero in an Islamic country. But all this devilry comes from the filing of our authorities and the disgusting propaganda carried out by the official media with our budget money

[Karabu]

yak69 absolutely agree with your thoughts. Yesterday there was an article where one pseudo-expert loudly declared "If they go out, they will get it in full!" both the hurray patriots and putinoids shouted "hurray!" and congratulated each other.
personally, I don’t understand at all how you can win a big war when the country itself is crumbling under the weight of unsolvable problems. in the event of external aggression, we will automatically receive three new "Chechnya" units in the rear, and an army of marauders, deserters and bandits seeking to take advantage of the situation. again the question is, who will go to the slaughter and for what? for Gazprom? RAO UES? for Putin maybe? so his policy led to the fact that the majority of young people openly hate their country, and his beloved Caucasians and migrant workers will be the first to run to rob and shoot in the back under the insane cries of "Allah Akbar"

[Powder donut]

And I believe that our troops will be able to protect us and I don’t care about Gazprom's raoes. My brother graduated from the Penza Artillery School 10 years ago (he left the service due to low salary), if our military schools graduate at least 25% of the total number of such officers (these are very dangerous people) the aggressor will be the khan, we will stay in Beijing, London or any other capital of the world, if it is the will of our political leadership. My brother and his friends, officers (part of the reserve) tell me this: "I will fight for my home, for my family, for the country" and they say without unnecessary pathos, and so calmly calmly. I am sure that these people are able to raise people to attack, and of course shoot a coward and a traitor. And about Chechnya, remember how our troops acted in the second company, when they threw away all the nonsense about philanthropy and other romantic nonsense. "Are there militants in the village? No? Definitely not? Take into account if at least one shot in our direction we will demolish the village." This is easy to repeat, and then segregation can be done if necessary. If you cannot live peacefully, you will be destroyed, as indeed they are now operating in the North Caucasus, and mind you for this approach, Putin is respected there. The Caucasus has always respected a strong hand and will always be so.

[CTEPX]

Quote: yak69

He spoke and I will say that the current leadership of the country is not able to systematically confront numerous threats until it proclaims a clear ideological doctrine of Russia!

Who in Russia can proclaim a "clear ideological doctrine" if the Constitution (Article 13, Clause 2) prohibits it?
Or a dictator, or a consolidated society)).
Against the dictator, the Anglo-Saxons made so many bookmarks in laws, contracts, corruption schemes)). They are just waiting for the appearance of an artificial "dictator" in Russia in order to halve it (preferably equally) and, with the help of radicals (the Wahhabis among them are the longest-playing ones), plunge it into the abyss of a civil war and divide it, avoiding the mistakes of the 20s 20th century, when the murdered Russia was reborn from nothing, from nothingness.
I am forced to state that Putin's actions are the most correct, and the speed of implementation depends very much on our "grassroots" actions, on the legitimacy of the revival of the dictator (or emperor))).

[Revolver]

There is a doctrine. Putin formulated it a long time ago - "to kill the bandits in the toilet." The trouble is that Putin himself is in no hurry to implement this doctrine.
Those who are looking for sarcasm - he is not here, at least not meant.

[optimist]

Quote: yak69

We are already crumpled and pretty much! Every normal citizen understands and sees this, does not understand and does not see only the country's leadership. Or they all just do not care and they hope to dump at a critical moment. I find no other explanation.

Quote: yak69

He spoke and I will say that the current leadership of the country is not able to systematically confront numerous threats until it proclaims a clear ideological doctrine of Russia! Hurray patriots can continue to shout and write laudatory odes to Putin and his entourage, but this will not mitigate those serious dangers looming over our society and statehood.

"Golden words, -Pyotr Venediktovich !!!"

[CTEPX]

Quote: optimist

"Golden words, -Pyotr Venediktovich !!!"

Ay, what a subtle "Jewish" politician!))

[optimist]

CTEPX: With a sense of humor you are a little tough, dear ...

[CTEPX]

Quote: optimist

EPXu: With humor you are a little tight, dear ...

Mutually)).

[optimist]

No wonder a clever man said: "Religion is an opium for the people!" As they say, what they fought for, they ran into it. Our government calmly watched that mosques were growing like mushrooms after rain. And now, damn it, they woke up. And theirs Allah himself will not understand which Islam is "correct" and which is "not very" ... Hence the conclusion: to eradicate these hotbeds of banditry to hell. And to tame our priests: they have gained too much money and power for themselves ...

[Tverichanka]

Quote: optimist

Yes, and tame our priests:

Hold on. Now all the dogs are hanging on you.

[barberry62]

In the USSR, religion was almost destroyed and there was faith. In whom? The bloody Satanist and p-ta Lenin. A country with this "faith" has not stood even for a hundred years, while Russia with an Orthodox religion has existed for over a thousand.

[Kahlan amnell]

In the USSR, religion was almost destroyed and there was faith. In whom? In the bloody Satanist and Lenin Peninsula.

There was no faith. Only one model of religion has replaced another.
And besides, there is no Orthodox religion. There is an Orthodox confession Christian religion.

[Nick]

Quote: amp

Yes, Lenin is a thousand times better than your illiterate pedophile Muhamed!

The statement is unsubstantiated.

[Revolver]

Quote: Nick

Approval unproven

Even as evidence. At least in the part that Mohammed Read at least the same Wikipedia. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B8%D1%88%D0%B0_%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%82_%

D0%90%D0%B1%D1%83_%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%80
He married Aisha when she was only 6 years old, and raped her at 9. If this is not pedophilia, then what?

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: Nagan

He married Aisha when she was only 6 years old, and raped her at 9. If this is not pedophilia, then what?

Most Muslim theologians believe that she was somewhere around 15 years old. Nobody knows the exact age of Aisha.
Yes, and I’ll just remind you that this is the 7th century AD. What were the sexual customs of the Eastern Slavs (and other peoples) at that time do not know?
I also add that in Russian Regions of the Russian Empire under the Romanovs, the minimum age for marriage was 12 years. And this is more than a thousand years after the death of Muhammad.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Nagan

He married Aisha when she was only 6 years old, and raped her at 9. If this is not pedophilia, then what?

do not write nonsense and provocation !!
This link is written further in your link !!!


Muslim sources and studies featured various ages of Aisha. At the same time, Ibn Hisham and some other historians have information that Aisha was among the first people to convert to Islam, which means that at the time of marriage she was 15 years old. [10] In addition, some historians and scholars cite evidence that, before the Prophet, Jubair Ibn Mutim had worn her, and she was over 17 years old. Also, many historical chronicles provide information about the sister of Aisha Asma, who died at the age of 100 in the year 73 of the hijra. This means that she was 27 years old during the Hijra (the relocation of the Prophet Muhammad from Mecca to Medina). At the same time, it is known that Aisha was 10 years younger than her. And this, in turn, means that by the time of her marriage to the Prophet Muhammad she was 17 years old.

[poquello]

"In Muslim sources and studies, different ages of Aisha appear. At the same time, Ibn Hisham and some other historians have information that Aisha was among the first people to convert to Islam, which means that at the time of marriage she was 15 years old. [10] In addition, some historians and researchers cite data that before the Prophet Jubair ibn Mutim wooed her, and she was over 17. Also, many historical chronicles give information about Aisha's sister Asma, who died at the age of 100 years in 73. This means that during the Hijra (the resettlement of the Prophet Muhammad from Mecca to Medina) she was 27. At the same time, it is known that Aisha was 10 years younger than her. And this, in turn, means that at the time of her marriage to the Prophet Muhammad she was 17 years old. "

The roof is smoking. Are you taught to think so?

[builder]

Without thinking wrote

[sergo0000]

It is not clear where the moderators are looking.

[vadimus]

In the depths of Siberian ores, the imams have a place, not in the wild!

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: vadimus

In the depths of Siberian ores, the imams have a place, not in the wild!

Those. all priests of the non-title denomination - to prison? Do you need to do this in all countries? I live in Kazakhstan. Where are we going to put Orthodox priests? Non-title religion. To put all priests in Kazakh prisons? I think you cut my ear words. Therefore, a friend is calmer with his pseudo-talented odnoshishami.

[Tverichanka]

Quote: Marek Rozny

Do you need to do this in all countries?

I completely agree with you. We don’t need to provoke an aggravation of the situation ourselves. Each person is free to believe the way he wants and in what traditions he has been brought up. Radicalism should not be allowed either by Christians or Muslims. Only then will we maintain understanding and peace among ourselves .

[poquello]

You talk with Jehovah's Witnesses - they will take out your brain. This is radicalism. I believe that all aggressive religious renegades should be brought into one hut and let them beat each other's face there. Allowed major world religions and all, the rest of the term for propaganda.

[Dejavu]

There are no radical Orthodox Christians who cut the throats of infidels. Strange some kind of religion of love.

[Egen]

Quote: Tverichanka

Everyone is free to believe the way he wants

then we get anarchy.
Religions, by definition, cannot exist peacefully, because they have disagreements among themselves, otherwise it would be one religion :) Believing that a person is free, but in any case he will come into conflict with other believers. And here is precisely the task of the state - to breed supporters of religions. Including and to impose some kind of prohibitions, restrictions, I don’t know. Not so, of course, as in the USSR. And if you release all relations to freedom, if the state does not regulate ... IMHO just get radicalism :(
... and, in general, at the top George writes about the same.

[avt]

Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI

All the same, I believe that it is impossible to prevent the accumulation of critical mass in the form of GASTRASTERS and HIRED WORK FORCES from the south because this will someday spill over into the new KOSOVO but already on the territory of RUSSIA.

Ah, dear man! Try to explain this to our local bourgeoisie for a penny of those who are ready to strangle them and the power that the princes, who are holding themselves, have felt and spit on their people.

[Atlon]

Quote: avt

Try to explain this to our local bourgeoisie for a penny ready to strangle whom they want to strangle and holding power by the princes

Come on! In any remote village (due to the nature of my work I travel a lot, I carry construction materials), where I have never seen the "princes", only Uzbeks work! I spoke with one employer. The private owner is idle, building an extension. It is difficult to speak with them, not Belmesa in Russian, but they do not drink, do not smoke, work from morning to night. Ours don't work like that. Then a smoke break, then lunch, then give me a beer. And cheaper. These are the realities.

[avt]

Quote: Atlon

Talked with one employer. Idle private trader, building an extension. It is difficult to speak with them, they don’t speak Russian in Russian, but they don’t drink, don’t smoke, work from morning to night. Ours do not work like that. Either a smoke break, then lunch, then give me a beer. Yes, and cheaper. These are the realities.

Yes, but this is if they work for the first year, he himself observed in dynamics at the cottage and construction site. And as a rule, you need to watch what and how they do it, for them use a power cable to break it - just spit {I had a visit to some acquaintances} or just screw it up. If it wasn’t used, it’s normal and beer from cans is blowing, it’s not very good to smoke, somehow shy, but nasvay - it’s always welcome, from that they work like on power engineers .Yes, and the cheapness of the same over time, "settled" goes away - quickly learn to count a penny at the coven. Well, whoever has a penny and, as it seems to him, the owner correctly identified, they may snap, then the meeting should be put in place. I really do not recommend them, especially since the more sane Soviet ones have practically ended.

[Atlon]

Quote: avt

So I do not recommend idealizing and relaxing with them

Nobody idealizes ... It's just that ours (I know myself) received money, and they are gone for three days until they drink it up. This is due to the unqualified. Those who work for the company, everything is strict there, but also expensive. And the foreman is with them, everything is under control. I'm just about the "assistants" of the handymen. Of course you can't leave them, but they don't go anywhere either. And ours will find it in the store, then for beer, or even moonshine, and they have been gone for several days.

[Skiff]

I don’t know where you work and who is your beer, Russian himself, many Russian friends plow so that the Uzbeks did not dream, we have 2-3 children, for these texts you want to be rude.

[Atlon]

Quote: Skiff

for such texts you want to be rude.

Not worth it ... Question, do you plow where? At private construction sites in villages and cottages? Carefully read my comments? Talk about low skilled labor! Give, bring, dig, dig! There are local loafers in the villages, not many, but there are. come to such work. But ... I earned 1000 r and walks for several days! And Gaster work until you say: That's enough, that's enough, you are no longer needed.

[builder]

I would write how the Uzbeks work, but I'm afraid to get a couple of pages of foul language. Insolent (if not immediately put in place), lazy and not knowing anything (with rare exceptions) comrades. The cheapness of their work is a myth.

[Novel]

Have you ever wondered why in the 21st century, the country was the first to conquer space, the mother of the greatest minds, who broke the teeth of the best armies in the world, now the absolute majority of citizens can only be offered low-skilled jobs? Moreover, it is the Russian who understands that quietly he was made a farm laborer again. You need to be an inveterate idiot to squeeze out juices in your uncle's dacha, who will compare who is better - Balts, Russian, Uzbek, Tajik. The newcomers earned money and went home, they don't give a shit to Russia, for them it is an alien world. The Russian stays here "he came", no he will not die of hunger if he proves that he wears and digs better than the "uber." In general, "Russian Vanka" is bad because, unlike visitors, he tries to think, "But what actually happens?" Where did these "summer residents" and "summer residents" come from in his native land? And the history of these "successful people" is often known to hard workers, why plowing on them is even more disgusting. The guest worker is not burdened with such thoughts, for them " connoisseurs of beauty "- in the form of country houses for 500-700 m2, feng shui and endless repairs - authorities. 400 USD per month and you are an idol. I am not against newcomers, among them there are quite a few thinking people. Nevertheless, under the many years in the media about the "damned" guest workers, their number is growing and multiplying - they are everywhere. from the process is clearly managed. In the future, the population of the Russian Federation may turn into a handful of "those who are in the oil and gas subject" and service staff, -policemen, military and silent "guest workers".

[Naval]

Put +, it is a pity that you can not put pieces of 10 pluses. I really liked it.

[sanych your division]

yeah !!! flush out. the boss

[Z.A.M.]

Quote: Atlon

These are the realities.

With "realities", you will die soon. As I.
All Black Hours - OUT !!!
This should be the slogan. Do not "want" - we get that in Geyrop.
Criminal reports, look-listen ... Or, without indicating nationality , or - ch.r.e. (what's the difference - ALIENS !!!).
From the government - only snot. But Putin is tolerant ...

"Cops in the eyes - all God's dew ..."

The foundations of Statehood are undermined ... And we are all (all) - uryayaya ... "Five tanks, two boats, such as a" boat ", two airplanes ... And dreams - go to MARS" ...

BASES, the foundation is crumbling ... successfully ...

[andrejwz]

Quote: Atlon

Talked with one employer.

...

Quote: Atlon

Ours do not work like that. Either a smoke break or a lunch give me some beer.

And he does not unfasten the cops "for beer"? Or is beer a job-related wage, tax and social benefits? he, your employer, together with the leadership of the LRO and the Department of Internal Affairs of the area
It is foolish to think that TV stories about the fight against illegal migration are really a fight against illegal migration. There is a request from the society, there are requirements of the authorities in the form of indicators of the work of the LRO and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, well, at the local level they decide who is the tight-fisted business, then as they say: "Then we go to you!" And only for this reason it is easier to solve the problem by introducing a visa regime.

[Egen]

Quote: Atlon

In any remote village (due to my occupation I travel a lot, I carry construction materials), where I have never seen "princes", only Uzbeks work!

At our factory, 2 brigades were hired to lay high walls of workshops with 2 bricks. Russian and Chinese. Paid for the final result - i.e. behind the wall, the same. The Chinese lived at the factory and did the same job exactly twice as fast as the Russians.

[Novel]

Who are ours? Chinese or Russian, or who will build it cheaper?

[Corsair]

Quote: Atlon

Ours do not work like that. Either a smoke break, then lunch, then give me a beer. Yes, and cheaper. These are the realities.

Yes, you need to start with YOURSELF ...

[воронов]

Quote: Corsair

Quote: Atlon

Ours do not work like that. Either a smoke break, then lunch, then give me a beer. Yes, and cheaper. These are the realities.

Yes, you need to start with YOURSELF ...

We have been hearing these tales of yours that the Russians need to "start with YOURSELF" (and you had them in mind) for a long time. Russians do nothing but start with themselves and revolution, and perestroika, and democracy. even the day before yesterday, and from them.

[Tverichanka]

Quote: Corsair

Yes, you need to start with YOURSELF ..

Golden words! It’s only much easier to find the guilty - Putin, Gaster, Wahhabi, no ideology, etc. .... But what I tell you, you see from the comments ...

[Egor.nic]

Almost never, Asians in their entire mass, with rare exceptions, did not work and will not work. Of the activities that they perform as hired workers, the quality is zero - money wasted. Over time, everything will have to be redone if it does not fall apart.
The main approach of people from Asia and the Caucasus is to brazenly get under the covers, and then the situation changes - crime, drugs, prostitution, these are their main sources of income, and after that - bribery and control of the authorities.

[воронов]

Totally agree with you

[Tverichanka]

Quote: Egor.nic

a new approach for people from Asia and the Caucasus -

Because it’s honorable for men to only fight and trade. And work, no. Look where the highest unemployment rate in our country is Dagestan, Ingushetia, etc. And what is their standard of living? In any case, not lower than across the country as a whole. The question is, where did the firewood come from? I am sure that you know the answer.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Tverichanka

Because it’s honorable for men to only fight and trade. And work, no

Nonsense !!

Quote: Tverichanka

. Look where the highest unemployment rate in our country is Dagestan, Ingushetia, etc.

so no work forced to trade and seek a way out!

[Naval]

In Soviet times, I was a cadet of a military school and was taken to a hospital, where they automatically appointed me as the foreman. There were 8 people in the ward and one of them was an ordinary construction battalion Sadykov from Tajikistan. I practically didn’t speak Russian, but before that it was trouble-free. that they were pushed around by all and sundry, but his hands struck me, the old man’s hands and his gaze, looking at the fatalist ... 30 years have passed, but I still remember his name and himself. In any nation there are scum, and if we do not respect ourselves, then we will not force others to respect ourselves.

[Normal]

These are the realities

These are not realities, but a superficial look and illusions.
"Wouldn't you, pop, chase cheapness"
When they want to pay less, then they recruit the first drunks and lazy people who come to hand. What? Everyone "knows how", they take on everything, they are always free and do not take expensively. When these would-be workers, having received an advance, go into a binge, the tight-fisted employer accuses all Russians of slovenliness and hires Gaster.
A good worker doesn’t sit in the dump and doesn’t wander around the villages in search of work.
It is always the turn for a good specialist, even if it is just a mason, a stove maker, a carpenter or a carpenter.
Now everyone is obsessed with success. Success means to be in time. There is no time to wait until the Russian special is free, we recruit Tajiks. It seems at first glance justified, but in the long term a complete defeat. Having received work and the opportunity to gain a foothold, the guest worker will not dig the earth forever. First, we were driven out of construction sites, already being driven out of the service sector, then from clerks, police and petty officials, then everywhere.
Let Khmelnytsky "Athlon" think that Gaster cannot breed building materials .... let .....

[builder]

I agree with Comrade Normal "+"

[CTEPX]

Quote: Atlon

do not drink, do not smoke, work from morning to night. Ours do not work like that.

Maybe ours don’t know how to be slaves?)). When is it impossible to work (create and receive honestly) in one’s own country, for one’s family, for one’s Fatherland? Everything is like a break, nothing comes back.
It is necessary to all together, from above and from below, to clean the Gundos from power)). We all know them. Putin has already hesitated to give signals!)).
What could be easier? start talking and make the truth)).

[sergo0000]

Quote: ctepx

It is necessary to all together, from above and from below, to clean the Gundos from power)). We all know them. Putin has already hesitated to give signals!)).
What could be easier? start talking and make the truth)).

One message to the federal assembly is worth it! Yes, at least someone created a non-political social movement, such as a trade union! So no, only on the Internet we shout about rights and a bad president!

[sams]

... potential “Novorossians” from the South have a passionate desire to move to Russia on a permanent basis. For example, not so long ago, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan recognized that mass migration from their countries more and more clearly takes on the character of a real catastrophe - their peoples are being resettled to whole villages and cities in Russia. All their young people literally live the dream of moving to our country, and for the sake of realizing this dream, they are ready to abandon even their own families and their own wives. Well, those, in turn, are gradually moving to us after their husbands and sons. As a result, countries of migration outcome are gradually dying. After all, there is no one there to work. Well, our country is gradually choking in the surging waves of uncontrolled migration.
And worst of all, the Russian government is trying to help this mass migration of feral Asia to our country, creating the most favorable conditions for it.
http://gifakt.ru/archives/index/rossiya-na-otkup-aziatam/#more-18713

[CTEPX]

Quote: sams

Russian government seeks to help this massive resettlement of feral Asia

Not the whole government)) Specifically: Medvedev, Dvorkovich, Khloponin ...

[aviator_IAS]

Quote: avt

Ah, dear man! Try to explain this to our local bourgeoisie for a penny of those who are ready to strangle them and the power that the princes, who are holding themselves, have felt and spit on their people.

A vivid example of this. In our city (regional center) - 95% of the population are Russians. Muslims barely gain 1%, but the governor gave the green light to build a mosque in the city. Obviously, it’s not easy. The whole city is naturally against, collected signatures. Now it is quiet, and the governor refuses to comment on this issue. He feels what they want to do quietly.

[Yarbay]

Quote: aviator_IAS

In our city (regional center) - 95% of the population are Russians. Muslims barely gain 1%

in our city there is where Christians are and one percent does not gain, but there is a church !!
Catholics generally 0.01 percent built a large church for them !! What's so scary ???

[aviator_IAS]

Quote: Yarbay

in our city there is where Christians are and one percent does not gain, but there is a church !!
Catholics generally 0.01 percent built a large church for them !! What's so scary ???

In your city, Christians with Catholics probably do not shoot in the air from wedding processions? So I don’t need this in my center of Russia. In their villages, let them beat until they turn blue.

[Yarbay]

Quote: aviator_IAS

In your city, Christians with Catholics probably don’t shoot in the air from wedding processions

the believing person will not shoot in the air and will not dance on the street!
do not write nonsense!
And who punishes the fire, and where does the mosque ??

[15030486]

I have lived in Uzbekistan for almost 30 years and I know these people very well, you should not think that they are friendly and simple people, this is a mask I assure you.

[Egen]

Quote: 15030486

this is a mask I assure you

in any quiet pool someone will start :)

[atalef]

Quote: Egor.nic

Yes brother, that's right, you are right for all 100%.
These are vile and cunning cattle, in general, ready for anything to achieve the goal. This applies not only to the Uzbeks, it applies to the whole of Churkistan and the Caucasus.

You are strange people. Among Muslims, the bulk (at least in Israel) are normal people who just want to work and raise children. Of course there are (like everyone) scumbags, etc. But the bulk are absolutely normal people.
Well, they have a tradition of shooting air on holidays. It's okay, someone is drinking. someone is dancing. someone shoots. If only everyone was alive and well. They shoot the same with us. but only in their villages. if they make weddings in the halls of celebrations - everything is calm and civil.
There are not a few Israelis, and in none of them you will see in the comments either hatred of Muslims or anything like that. We clearly distinguish between believers and extremists. And under one comb does not need all revenge.
The majority of Muslims have exactly the same desires. like any other children. family . happy, calm life.

[Tverichanka]

Quote: 15030486

ordinary people is a mask I assure you

That's right. They are cute and friendly, only one at a time. And as soon as a bunch gathered, where did something happen? They become arrogant, aggressive and very cruel.

[Sour]

They look friendly because they can hide their hatred.
Don't be under any illusion. They hate us even without imams, they just hate that we are different from them. And they don't need any "alien imams". Even without the imams, they are ready to kill all of us together with our families.

[Tverichanka]

Quote: Sour

without imams, they are ready to kill us all

If we are weak, then yes! If we are fragmented, yes again! If we do not fight back, yes too! So we should not be shy to show strength, hold on to each other and support each other. As in Kondopoga, Sagra ... We could!

[Komodo]

Jewish oligarchs are robbing, Central Asians are taking jobs, the Balts are openly mocking, Ukrainians are giving us brains ..., Caucasians are shooting.
Something is wrong with our nation. Not only that, we want
combine them all.
Well, we don’t have masochism.

[воронов]

Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI

I myself live in NOVOSIBIRSK and by the nature of my work I have to contact ordinary Tajiks. Uzbeks. As a rule, they are quite friendly people.
However, nothing is known about the incoming imams and preachers, and what is unclear on their minds.
All the same, I believe that it is impossible to prevent the accumulation of critical mass in the form of GASTRASTERS and HIRED WORK FORCES from the south because this will someday spill over into the new KOSOVO but already on the territory of RUSSIA.

They are still "friendly" in Novosibirsk

[Shade]

You Alexei probably did not live in Asia, they are all friendly in appearance, they all smile and call you "brother", but in their hearts they curse and, on occasion, "sting", this is a mindlessness - smile in your eyes and hold a knife behind your back

[His]

All terrorists with Russian passports. Guests from Central Asia come to earn money, they have other plans. Therefore, no visas in the fight against Wahhabism and Russophobia will not help here

[Sanyht]

Grandfather Lenin was right: ONE LANGUAGE, ONE IDEA, ALL BROTHERS !!! and now KINDING HAZARDS BETWEEN THE PEOPLES OF OUR COUNTRY IS THE NORM OF LIFE! although for this: you need to isolate the bandits of CATORGO, with hard, useful work, for the benefit of people.

[Vadivak]

Quote: ......

Russia has already developed an entire underground industry that exists on the basis of the exploitation of the labor of illegal migrants

Still, the Deep Drilling Office was more effective than the current FSB,

[Atlon]

Quote: Vadivak

Still, the Deep Drilling Office was more effective than the current FSB,

It's not about efficiency, but about political decisions. If we now give the order for repression, with modern means, the FSB will not be an example more effective than the KGB. And the 37th year, it seems a childish prank.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Atlon

If you order repressions now,

Paul do not comfort yourself with hopes raven crow will not peck out his eyes

[Z.A.M.]

Quote: Atlon

. And the 37th year, it seems a childish prank.

So what???
Yes, with two hands - ZA !!!

And about the "chips" I do not need to "fill" ...

[Egen]

Quote: Atlon

It's not about efficiency, but about political decisions

That's it, that's why it was then "deep drilling" :)

[воронов]

Still, the Deep Drilling Office was more effective than the current FSB, [/ quote]
If it were effective, then the union would not break up

[avt]

Quote: Vadivak

Still, the Deep Drilling Office was more effective than the current FSB,

Quote: voronov

If it were effective, then the union would not break up

This time. The KGB was a POLITICAL special service, even their oath was to selflessly serve the cause of the Party, that's two. Well, then draw your own conclusions if the top of the CPSU lost faith in the ideals preached and just got sick on the bubble. So what should the transferred party detachment do? That's right ,,, the Chekists gave free rein to the swindlers, having their own interest of diamonds "How many joint ventures were created in humpbacked times under control? Yes, 100%, that's three. Well, now Opportunities, especially technical ones, are, of course, a hundred times higher, but somehow Sudoplatov and his comrades were being controlled and not bad at the time.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Vadivak

Still, the Deep Drilling Office was more effective than the current FSB,

Of course it’s more effective, because they worked for an idea, not for money !!

[Egor.nic]

at d. Lenin, there were slogans sharply at odds with deeds. I recommend recalling the history - the destruction of the peasantry as a class and as the owner, the result - the destruction of agriculture, which for almost 100 years can not revive. The transformation of the people into a stupid, thoughtless biomass humbly going no matter what rallies. The destruction of all the estates in the state and the creation in return of the mediocre ruling structure - the CPSU failed to keep the country. Anyone who does not agree with the party’s policies was simply destroyed (tens of millions of people). The ideology of Russian popular patriotism, which has a leading role in the Russian state, was destroyed, and in return they got rotten Bolshevik internationalism - the result of the ideological work of the CPSU and its members, are now visible with their own eyes.
Nothing can raise Russia, like the revival of Russian ideas and Russian patriotism, when all together for each other and for Russia, in any case, to the end, when Russian spirituality will overthrow the vile Jewish-Asian mercantile spirit (based on the principles of stealing, reselling, to appropriate, to spoil one's neighbor, to subordinate others to one’s will and make them degrade).
Only we ourselves can stop this spiritual degradation imposed on us from the outside. But to do this, stop now and think about what will happen to us, what will happen after us, who will be after us and who will replace us, and how to fix it?! ...
Putin alone will not pull it, he needs a team of "fighters" in the person of all the people who will put things in order in their house, and the president in the country.

[Tverichanka]

Quote: Egor.nic

There will be order in his home, and the president in the country.

Neither reduce nor add. Everything is correct. I join.

[Dejavu]

Ehhh ideology, ideology ... where to get it in the era of total "buy and sell". The only ideology that we can be guided by today is "Only Russians can save this world." From what to save and whom to save there is always. But somehow it so happened that the Russians are really like firefighters. Either we extinguish Napoleon, then Hitler ..., now here is a geyropa with pin * dosami in line. We remained almost the only moral stronghold, although each in particular is far from ideal among us. However, until we start marrying homosexuals, I will believe in it.

[Egen]

Quote: dejavu

Ehhh ideology, ideology ... "Only Russians can save this world."

Quote: dejavu

However, until we start to marry homosexuals, I will believe in it.

Gregory, join in!
... but unfortunately, this is NOT the ideology of the state :(

Quote: dejavu

There is always something to save from and whom to save.

But this is IMHO just the main thing! Without the reinforcement of goals, ideology itself is not very ... Remember 1940, in England there was no single policy towards Germany, confusion and vacillation both among the prime ministers and in general among the people. And as soon as the raids began, the British were told - Atu Germans! - and they all rallied in the face of danger. Well, etc. examples, and fascism was also based on the propaganda goal of reviving the greatness of the nation.
Unfortunately, I don’t remember the examples of "calm" rallying of the people, "without bombing" :(

[Atlon]

Quote: dejavu

We’ll extinguish Napoleon, then Hitler ..., now there’s a geyropa with a pin * dos in turn.

In the 19th century, French was taught in Russia, as a result, the Russian Army took a walk to Paris ...
In the 20th century, Russians learned German, the result is a red banner over the Reistag ...
Now is the 21st century, Russians are learning English, what's next?

[family tree]

Quote: Atlon

Now is the 21st century, Russians are learning English, what's next?

"We will take the embassy!" (C)

[Tverichanka]

Quote: Atlon

to, Russians learn English, what's next?

We will force the English Channel!

[Revolver]

Quote: dejavu

We’ll extinguish Napoleon, then Hitler ..., now here’s a geyropa with a pin * dos in turn

The article seems to talk about the threat of Russia (I’ll add from myself - and not just Russia) from the Islamists, and again you have a geyropa with a pin * dos, to blame. You still forgot to spin the Zionists for completeness.
It is necessary to sober up at least occasionally.

[Denisey]

I myself live in Sergiev Posad and I have never seen such an influx of Muslims in one of the centers of Orthodoxy! Continuing to inertly perceive the situation with migrants, sooner or later we will come to the situation that arose in Germany and France. Tolerance can destroy a country.

[Vadivak]

Quote: denisey

sooner or later we will come to the situation that arose in Germany and France.

Say it to our rulers

10/06/2013 Moscow needs an additional inflow of labor. Sergei Sobyanin stated that "the surplus of jobs is about 3 million people."

[Denisey]

Quote: Vadivak

Say it to our rulers

10/06/2013 Moscow needs an additional inflow of labor. This was stated by Sergei Sobyanin. "The surplus of jobs is about 3 million people

Having such a resource as "Voennoye Obozreniye" it is time not to shake the air, but to go out with your initiatives to the government!

[Vadivak]

Quote: denisey

go out with your initiatives to the government!

I personally do not have money to go out with initiatives


and I don’t understand your discontent, look even in the State Duma of the Russian Empire of the 1st convocation there were 10 artisans, 17 factory workers, 14 rural teachers, and what now? Advertising MTS?

[sergo0000]

We have Vadim there athletes and a TV star uneducated enough.
Still, the state should be managed by professionals, my opinion.

[Vadivak]

Quote: sergo0000

We Vadim there athletes and a TV star uneducated

Unfortunately, not everyone sees this, who really represents the interests of the working class

[Tverichanka]

Quote: Vadivak

Sobyanin. "The surplus of jobs is about 3 million people."

And then what didn’t they continue? And then he said that we do not need low-skilled labor, as well as people who do not speak Russian, do not respect our culture and have a different mentality with the main population of the country. So do not distort it. Even if you personally don’t like Sobyanin. Let us be JUST! After all, it’s all as if for justice. It does not happen without honesty in principle.

[zvereok]

All the nearest Moscow region is filled with migrant workers. Rumor has it that there are entire illegal villages. In particular, not far from the city of Mytishchi. But another thing is interesting - four years ago there were almost no gastras in the Moscow Region (I judge the situation by Pushkino / Zhelezka), but Luzhkov had an idea to evict all the gastros outside the Moscow Ring Road and bring them to work every day, if necessary.

[sams]

Quote: zvereok

four years ago there were almost no gastras in the suburbs

And 6 years ago, there were few of them in Moscow. And those that were not protruding from the objects or moved in dashes, hiding from the police patrol.
In St. Petersburg, the situation is even worse.

[bear]

a little bit more and we’ll run in dashes ourselves

[zvereok]

Quote: sams

And 6 years ago, there were few of them in Moscow. And those that were not protruding from the objects or moved in dashes, hiding from the police patrol.
In St. Petersburg, the situation is even worse.

The problem appeared much earlier - about six to ten years ago, Luzhkov turned the registration mulberry when the police began to press visitors. Visitors lurked, and then began to pay the police. But they were especially afraid of impudence. Then something happened ... And the police stopped finding fault with registration (at that time, she also stopped being police and bribery was transferred from the criminal to the civil code). There was still a funny case when a Russian citizen had less rights than a citizen of Belarus ... But these are things of bygone days ... few people remember ...

[cartridge]

It was necessary to eject migrants from Russia yesterday. Tomorrow will be late!

[cosmos111]

Quote: cartridge

It was necessary to eject migrants from Russia yesterday. Tomorrow will be late!

It is necessary to throw it out. But what to do with their citizens, Muslims, who increasingly profess not traditional Islam, but extremist movements.
For the past 20 years, power cannot formulate an all-Russian idea that does not unite all nations and religions. It is not an ideology. The ideology of liberals: profit as much as you can, Russian society is alien.

[Atlon]

Quote: cosmos111

But what to do with their citizens, Muslims, who increasingly profess not traditional Islam, but extremist movements.

After the collapse of the USSR, Russia has no ideology at all. If in the USSR it was: "Workers of all countries unite!", In tsarist Russia "For faith, tsar and fatherland!", Then in modern Russia there is no ideological subtext at all! Someone will say that our "ideology" is: "Get rich at any cost!", But this will be wrong. For ideology implies a social idea, and enrichment, the idea of ​​a personal plan. So, sadly, there is no ideology. And without it, a vacuum is formed, which fills radicalism. And the ideas of radicalism are always miserable and terrible. Though Islamic: "Great Caliphate from sea to sea!", Although Orthodox: "Russia for Russians!", Even liberal: "Freedom for fagots!"

[Manager]

Quote: cartridge

It was necessary to eject migrants from Russia yesterday. Tomorrow will be late!

In fact of the matter! That now there are so many of them that it is worth adopting a law against them, as soon as everything breaks out in all cities.

[zvereok]

Quote: Manager

In fact of the matter! That now there are so many of them that it is worth adopting a law against them, as soon as everything breaks out in all cities.

Nothing flares up anywhere. He violated the law by illegally entering the country - you are a criminal.

[Atlon]

Quote: zvereok

having entered the country illegally, you are a criminal.

To build camps, to Siberia to build roads, dams, etc. I worked a year for food, and earned a return ticket. And 10 years ban on entry.

[builder74]

Golden words! A simple and effective recipe for combating illegal migration!

[builder]

How it breaks out and extinguishes!

[alexdol]

About the invasion of Muslims - a lot is being done here with the direct connivance of the POWER! By the way, the same applies to "geyrope". it's just that someone needs to create such hotbeds of tension. And as for the "national idea", while all the "oligarchs" and smaller thieves do not sit or hang, and the stolen "grandmothers" are not returned to the state, there can be no idea of ​​any idea! People see everything and just words are not enough! That would have started the current government with the same "Serdyukov" and the company, and at the same time, "Mr." Medvedev would be nice to be brought to the RESPONSE for his anti-Russian activities, and after that it would be possible to talk about something further. But for now - SILENCE ...

[Dejavu]

I’m afraid that if we would hang and plant all the thieves, starting at least from Peter the Great, then in Russia, Mother already has five million citizens left. Do not transplant and do not outweigh everyone, this is all nonsense. It is necessary to punish exclusively by the ruble, and it’s total that the official went to collect bottles for bread after he got caught. We still do not put anyone in prison, so they scold, scold and let go if the rank is high. But leaving relatives without honestly earned money is a blow. Well, nefig was tyrit from the treasury, now pay all in a crowd. It seems to me more effective and more useful to the state than the hanged carcass of a Tubaretkin on a rope.

[JIaIIoTb]

Quote: alexdol

About the invasion of Muslims - much is done here with the direct connivance of the AUTHORITIES!

I agree. It is definitely necessary to cleanse the country from illegal immigrants and clean it harshly, the faster the better. Religious figures, including Islam, struggling with radicalism in Islam, to provide all possible assistance. Those who are already poisoned by Wahhabism and other radical movements in Islam should be isolated from a normal society until they recover. Or until the end of life.

[Tverichanka]

Quote: JIaIIoTb

. Those already poisoned by Wahhabism

The whole question is who and how will determine whether he is poisoned or not poisoned. But I hope you understand that with the introduction of tough measures no one will confirm their sympathies for Wahhabism? This is fraught with the emergence of a branched and well-disguised underground, which will be fought in many times more difficult. This is a very sensitive issue and very serious. The slightest bias and this can be done so that grandchildren will not be disentangled. But I don’t see simple solutions. Which one does not pretend is a whole bunch of problems. And the solution is a civil war. This if you really seriously consider and solve these problems.

[Nitarius]

If the FSB is so late - then it WILL ALREADY BE LATE! Right now, we must respond to Threats- And do not indulge in foolishness!
You need to move and not engage in garbage! It is not clear what is happening in Russia.
Then some rallies are still often there. It sits on all such Elements.
They would at least once go in a crowd for housing and communal services or so that the mortgage and T, P. Reduced, SAME They are not for the crap power.
Must

[valokordin]

We had a communist normal ideology, where there was no place for extremism and all people were equal brothers, but the Judeans broke a beautiful state and break through the rest. Immediately begin the restoration of Soviet power and all who resist this will be exported to America, Saudi Arabia. Armed opposition to the wall. Close the borders, we are talking about the survival of the country no more.

[individual]

EVERYTHING RIGHT!
Yes only where to get the leader Russia capable of all this?

[sashka]

Well, Pu yesterday signed a decree on the delivery of labor from Mongolia. We will wait for the Arabs and Africans. Here the fun begins. I trudge on these tricks .. What mushrooms do they eat or maybe they got hooked on the spice ..?

[Vadivak]

Quote: Sasha

We will wait for the Arabs and Africans. Here the fun begins.

This is looking for someone - cannibals come in large numbers

[cosmos111]

Quote: Sasha

Well, Pu just yesterday signed a decree on the delivery of labor from Mongolia

In my opinion, this is a diversion from the authorities. In relation to the entire Russian people.
Only the economy, such steps Pu can not be explained.

[Vadivak]

Quote: cosmos111

In my opinion, this is a diversion from the authorities. In relation to the entire Russian people.

True to Yeltsin’s cause

DECREE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
dated December 16, 1993 N 2146
On the attraction and use of foreign labor in the Russian Federation

President
Russian Federation
B. Yeltsin

[cosmos111]

Quote: Vadivak

True to Yeltsin’s cause

The Yeltsin-Bukhov case is living and developing. In Moscow and the Moscow Region, only 5 ml .. migrants are registered. And how many are not registered? And what is the total number throughout Russia?

[Atlon]

Quote: cosmos111

In Moscow and the Moscow Region, only 5 ml .. migrants are registered

Do not be ashamed to lie?

Foreign citizens who work in Moscow were counted by the Federal Migration Service (FMS). Currently, 521 thousand migrant workers can work in the city. However, officially only 231 thousand visitors entered into an employment contract. This was announced by the head of the FMS Department for Moscow Fedor Karpovets.

According to the data voiced by the representative of the FMS, about 6 thousand highly qualified foreigners work in the city.

In the first half of the year, FMS employees conducted 70 thousand inspections in Moscow and revealed 83 thousand violations of the legislation in the field of migration. Karpovets said that recently they began to forge documents related to work in Russia more often - the number of such crimes increased by 2,5 times.

Fyodor Karpovets stressed that firms that are engaged in the "legalization" of labor migrants are in fact engaged in fraud.

It should be recalled that earlier the representatives of the Federal Migration Service stated that a total of 5 million foreign citizens work in Russia: 1 million people legally, and 4 million illegally.

[sincman]

Quote: Sasha

Well, Pu yesterday signed a decree on the delivery of labor from Mongolia.

Please provide links to material so that you can familiarize yourself with the information in more detail.

[Vadivak]

Quote: sincman

Please provide links to material so that you can familiarize yourself with the information in more detail.

Just type in the search engine Putin Mongols and all
http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1192287/ если не устраивает эта ссылка там много других

[baltika-18]

Quote: Vadivak

Just type in the search engine Putin Mongols and all

I read and fucked up.
Why is such a president needed?

[Vadivak]

Quote: baltika-18

I read and fucked up.
Why is such a president needed?

To paraphrase Exupery - If you choose him, then someone needs it

[Normal]

Quote: baltika-18

Why is such a president needed?

Greetings, Nikolay. Detach from life.
The president is needed, according to the new monitor star Fedorov, in order to lead the people-liberation movement against the American occupation. This is our president, well, a rebel. Fidel and Chegevara. And he needs the Mongols to form fighting tumens. Already chase adversaries Medvedev and Dvorkovich. And without the Mongols, Svet-Vladimir Vladimirovitsch can’t cope with the liberal hydra

[CTEPX]

Quote: Normal

Already chase adversaries Medvedev and Dvorkovich.

Win - drive)).

[CTEPX]

Quote: baltika-18

I read and fucked up.

Here you see)). The first civil war in Russia, initiated by the Anglo-Saxons - the Battle of Kulikovo)).

[zvereok]

Quote: Sasha

Well, Pu yesterday signed a decree on the delivery of labor from Mongolia.

The question is actually with three answers:
1. Drive all migrant workers with a filthy broom. And power, with political will, is quite capable of doing this.
2. To maintain growth or prevent a fall in GDP, which is supported by migration as well.
3. To overcome the decrease in the population of the Russian Federation, at least due to migration. Statistics on migration will not say anything, it will only say that the population of the Russian Federation has increased.

My opinion is that the 2nd and 3rd answers are from the evil one and resembles the moaning in 2007 that corruption is an innate feature of Russians, that without corruption in our state, all processes will stop. "If you don't grease you won't go."

[sergo0000]

sashka
The Mongols will not go to jihad. They are Buddhists
And the Africans themselves will not go to us (at least in large numbers) - we have a too nationalistic society, whatever they say about Russian tolerance!

[Buran]

He worked in the same artel, and we had a Mongol hard worker. So in the afternoon he worked like an ox, in the evening he got drunk and started yelling at the whole beam so that they, the Mongols, would be returned to Baikal in the ass, then he would be cut down and slept until the morning. In the morning we ask how to give Baikal to you, well, let it be on x ... leave it to yourself. In the evening, the concert was repeated.
Sorry, the theme about the Mongols inspired :)))

[Truffoff]

Quote: sergo0000

The Mongols will not go to jihad. They are Buddhists

In Eastern Siberia there lives, while still quiet, a force, the only force that Russia could not resist. Buryatia, the same Mongols. Not Buddhists, shamanists.
What will happen when she explodes is scary to imagine.
This is absolutely reckless power. But so far, quiet. I wonder where the Mongols will go to work, if only not there. Crap can happen.

[CTEPX]

Quote: Truffoff

Russia could not resist. Buryatia, the same Mongols.

Digging fine)). Go down two hundred years)).

[Andrey from Tver]

It seems that these events were not mentioned on Voennoye Obozreniye.
Read. Briefly: Udomlya, in the Tver Region, 300 kilometers from Moscow, 4 operating power units of the Kalinin Nuclear Power Plant, and uncontrolled guests from the southern republics. And, naturally, a conflict.
http://ru-politics.livejournal.com/45400889.html
http://holesika.livejournal.com/903246.html
http://vit65d.ya.ru/replies.xml?item_no=53010

[sincman]

The main problem is that anti-state elements are deeply entrenched in power. And you need to fight in several directions at once. More details in the video.

Who and why riots in Turkey, how they differ from the pogroms in Sweden, why the mayor of Makhachkala Said Amirov was arrested, why Sergei Sobyanin prematurely resigned from the post of mayor of Moscow.

[darksoul]

Gaster is not only in Moscow, we didn’t have them in ZhKO in Krasnodar, now we removed all of our own as if on command, and there were a lot of visitors ... they went to the Adler to launch an object in the week ... so the Armenians faded against the background of the Gaster , so many of them
About

Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI

I myself live in NOVOSIBIRSK and by the nature of my work I have to contact ordinary Tajiks. Uzbeks. As a rule, they are quite friendly people.

We are also friendly, but a friend who works at the police station says that in fact, they are constantly reporting on their homelessness, that week only the whole construction site was deported because she killed one girl, cut off the second chest ......

Conclusion:
1. while there are people above who are interested in cheap labor and not in quality, they will not go anywhere
2. Until ours cease to thump without a trace, there will be no sense. It’s disgusting to look at the benches every day, young men and men are thumping healthy already .... find out who respects whom .... what can we talk about?

[Tverichanka]

Quote: darksoul

. Until ours cease to thrive without a trace, there will be no sense

You see, it means that we have a problem? Our Russians hire Gaster to work. Our Russians consume vodka instead of working ..... Everything is ambiguous. And there are no simple solutions. Our guest workers are bypassing, although Moscow, we are a little more than a hundred kilometers away. And why? Firstly, there’s a bad reputation among us since the beginning of the 90s (all Caucasians have been blown away from here), secondly, there’s simply no way for us to work for migrants themselves .

[Denisey]

Quote: Vadivak

I personally do not have money to go out with initiatives

Ray did not write

[borisjdin1957]

from the Don.
Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Stavropol .......
I’ll go sharpen the pitchfork! We are up to the handle.

[fenix57]

[i] The threat of the collapse of Russia. [/ i] -, Yes, about him about the General: ".. In the Caucasus, Ermolov faced the tragic story of Major Pavel Shvetsov - returning from service from Georgia to Russia, he was kidnapped by the Chechens and kept in an earthen pit for more than a year. The robbers demanded 250 thousand rubles (today, more than 10 million dollars), if the mountaineers did not receive ransom, then they sold the captives through established channels to the East.The general summoned the owners of the lands through which the captive major was transported, imprisoned them in the Kizlyar fortress and announced that if in 10 days they did not find funds for the release of Shvetsov, all 18 people will be hanged on the fortress bastion. Instantly the ransom amount dropped from 250 thousand to 10 thousand rubles. The money was paid by one of the Dagestani khans, the major was released ... "
... ",

Comments ... they are not! There is a HISTORY! I beg:
Notes by Alexei Petrovich Ermolov during the reign of Georgia

"[i] Downstream of the Terek live the Chechens, the most vicious of the robbers, attacking the line. Their society is very sparsely populated, but extremely multiplied in the last few years, for the villains of all other peoples were friendly, leaving their land for any crime. Here they found accomplices who were immediately ready to either avenge them or take part in robberies, and they served them as faithful guides in lands they did not know themselves. Chechnya can rightly be called the nest of all robbers. "

Hence, the STRENGTHENING OF THE STATE DOMESTIC POLICY IS ATTITUDE ... UNDER THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT, THIS IS.

[omsbon]

It’s a pity that the authorities lack Ermolov’s will and determination. And who needs a limp government?

[Ljubomir]

Quote: omsbon

And who needs a limp government?

Western oligarchic elites.

[Boris55]

The question of changing the US-Yeltsin constitution (art. 13 n. 2 - no ideology can be established as state or mandatory) has long been ripe. The President, as her guarantor, cannot do this.
Public organizations are silent. Fedorov, Starikov tried to gather people on the square - it did not work. So she suits everyone? Unlikely.
Again, all hope for a good gentleman.
But will we just wait ...

[Regis]

of Russia
ideology is needed like air, otherwise
sooner or later they will crush us. - Absolutely true statement, for all 100%. It makes sense to drive out Gaster, if other Gaster will come to an empty place anyway? A set of measures is needed, and most importantly, one great idea is needed for one great country.

[goody]

"On May 14, the working group of the Institute for National Strategy prepared a report" Map of Ethno-Religious Threats: the North Caucasus and the Volga Region "to Interfax" - the first step in the beginning of solving the problem is to declare it. Hopefully the next steps will follow.

[SHAKESPEARE]

Muslim states do not need a constitution, the QURAN itself is a constitution, and Christian states have a BIBLE. but they also have a constitution, which has drawbacks where loopholes and evasion of the law can be found, and the villains and bandits who generate terrorism and war always use power. if in terms of cleanliness and honesty, then the laws of KARAN are observed by 80% of Muslims and the laws of the BIBLE are observed by 20% of Christians, the rest pretend that they are, and this is true! In a democratic society there is a big flaw, it is all permissiveness and impunity, so to speak, a lot of rights and irresponsibility. Putin is right and wrong, but more right in our modern world, if he loses, Russia will collapse as the USSR, and this will adversely affect all Russian republics, as well as in Ukraine, if Yanukovych loses then pro-Western puppets, nationalists will come to power and swindlers, and Ukraine will split into several parts and the same Crimea will become terror-Muslim, but Russia will not let this happen, there will be a second Chechnya or the Syrian version. Everything can happen much faster than we think. Karan for Islam is a law, but in the hands of bandits and terrorists who interpret it in their own way - it is a terrible weapon that makes Muslims unfaithful and enemies for Muslims of Christianity, leaders of Christianity have made basmachis of Muslims. spirits and terrorists who cut off their heads and strip skin. But the whole trouble is that those in power have those who have bandits and others have suffered for centuries. And I personally do not see a way out of this, to see this is the karma of our planet, and warriors and epidemics are just licking the balance and purification, awareness, teaching and development of mankind.

[Abakanets]

Crimea will never become Muslim.

[CTEPX]

It will become. If Ukraine does not become part of Russia)).

[Ljubomir]

Two weeks earlier, on the evening of May 20, the FSB of Russia destroyed a group of terrorists in Orekhovo-Zuevo who were preparing a major terrorist attack in the Russian capital.

It is strange that they did not settle in Tatar musul. district (New building) or in the prison (Cool) (where thousands of Vietnamese and Uzbeks), and in the city center.

[individual]

The global confrontation of civilizations in extremist offensive Islam conquered European countries.
Subjugated their will.
European tolerance contributes to the decay of Christian morality.
Since nature does not tolerate emptiness, this vacuum is filled by the Islamic adat (way of life), Sharia (Law).
Russia again has to fulfill the mission of protecting Christian values ​​and again protect not only itself, but also Europe from barbarians.
Look at them emblem...
Islamists plan to place the banner all over the planet Earth.
The task of Russia to stop fascist Islam.
.

[Black]

Quote: individ

Since nature does not tolerate emptiness, this vacuum is filled by the Islamic adat (way of life), Sharia (Law).
Russia again has to fulfill the mission of protecting Christian values ​​and again protect not only itself, but also Europe from barbarians.

Everything is correct. When people start to "wash the bones" of the Russian Orthodox Church on this site, I always want to say to these "God-fighters" - by renouncing Orthodoxy, you will wash the feet of Islam.
No need to search and invent any other ideology, it exists, and it is thousands of years old! We absorb the moral values ​​preached by Orthodoxy with mother’s milk and should not be betrayed.

[Revolver]

Quote: individ

The task of Russia to stop fascist Islam.

And where did you see Islam is not fascist?

[Revolver]

Quote: individ

The task of Russia to stop fascist Islam.

And where did you see Islam is not fascist?

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: Nagan

And where did you see Islam is not fascist?

Welcome to Kazakhstan.

[Revolver]

Give me time. Once upon a time, it seemed that Islam was moderate in Turkey, at least that Ataturk had tempered it. Erdogan proved the opposite.

[Marek Rozny]

Turks are radical religious fanatics? Erdogan is a fanatic? Are you familiar with Turkish realities?

[sasha.28blaga]

The Cossacks should be revived as an internal force of deterrence. Muslims always lived on the territory of Russia, but there was always strength (the Cossacks, who supposedly oppose them in an organized manner, therefore lived in peace.

[Cat]

Quote: sasha.28blaga

Revive the Cossacks

It would be very cool, but how?
In the Russian Empire, the Cossacks were a special MILITARY class, with its duties and benefits, a special worldview, its territory and self-government.
Can you imagine something like this in modern Russia? And there are not enough Cossacks for all of Russia. Unfortunately.

[Sour]

The Cossacks were heterogeneous in national, and religious terms. Among the Cossacks of Tersky, Astrakhan, Ural and Siberian troops were Muslims. Among the Don and Transbaikal Cossacks were Buddhists. In almost all Cossack troops there were Old Believers. The national composition is even more interesting. Among the Cossacks at the beginning of the 20th century there were 16 nationalities.
And to revive the Cossacks as they were means to revive the division of society into estates. And this is the Middle Ages, and nothing else.

[Black]

Quote: sasha.28blaga

The Cossacks should be revived as an internal force of deterrence.

When they talked, when together with the stripes they deprived the Cossacks of faith, land, will, what were they thinking about? And where is my people now ?, I’ll tell you, there’s almost none!
And it is impossible to recreate former glory and power.

[Manager]

Brothers! Tell me at least one region of Russia where there are few or none at all! I really want to go there with my family! Here’s a word of ches, even though the Sterling go to the woods and there, enclose yourself from everyone! So much evil and blackness I can not stand already!

[Cat]

Franz Josef Land. But you may not like it there.

[Black]

Quote: Manager

Brothers! Tell me at least one region of Russia where there are few or none at all! I really want to go there with my family! Here’s a word of ches, even though the Sterling go to the woods and there, enclose yourself from everyone! So much evil and blackness I can not stand already!

I will name it. Kalmyks courageously in the 90s opposed the Chechen lawlessness with force and will! And they defended their land.
Volgograd region. our question is not yet so acute. In any case, on the Cossack lands the black banner does not curl.

[iulai]

I myself am a Bashkir and live in Bashkiria. Until recently, old people and old women went to the mosque. Like on Friday I was waiting for my wife from the store, next to the mosque, so the people fell in a mosque. And who are these people? Mostly guest workers, they are almost invisible during the day, but on Friday you find them, it turns out to be full of them! And from the locals also, old people and old women. Radical Islam are immigrants from the southern republics! The government needs to choose, or go about business, which needs cheap labor force, or think about the future of Russia and its citizens. Measures should be overwhelming when it comes to the future of the country. Thank God that Putin is at the helm of the country, and not dol ... fuck Medvedev!

[Ljubomir]

Quote: iulai

Thank God that Putin is at the helm of the country, and not dol ... fuck Medvedev!

Ah, if B. I do not remember that he abandoned liberal ideas.

[AntonR7]

And that Medvedev was the president and you believe that he was independent, he was a puppet of Putin and did everything he did with the filing of his patron, otherwise Putin would not leave him as prime minister.

[Igor39]

Islam is a threat to Russia No. 1, no matter what.

[Boris55]

Scapegoats are made of Islam.



The ancient Egyptian priesthood perverted a single faith, gave a false doctrine of peace to every nation (Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism), having previously laid down inappropriate contradictions within these teachings and adapted all this for its own mercenary goals - divide, bleed, conquer and fat, drink, be rich. ..

In paganism, they respected all patrons of crafts, respected any work, and therefore there was no intolerance towards each other. It is foolish to despise the farmer for raising bread or a cattle breeder, for raising cattle ... But it is no longer stupid to fight Christians (the tiller) with Muslims (cattle breeders).

Between paganism and Christianity there was a transition period. In the West, these are Greek gods, still pagan in appearance but already inwardly Christian ...
In Russia, Nikon’s reforms in the 16 century completed bisexuality and Christianity was finally adopted. So the transition period to Russi was completed.

It is necessary to fight with the cause and not with the consequences of it ...

[Cat]

Ancient Egyptian priesthood perverted a single faith, gave a false doctrine of peace to every nation (Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism)

Greek gods, still pagan in appearance but already inwardly Christian

Under the table! Boris55, you have weed, do not share?

[baltika-18]

Quote: Gato

Greek gods, still pagan in appearance but already inwardly Christian

Under the table! Boris55, you have weed, do not share?

In Latin, Jesus is "Jesus", Zeus is "Zeus", consonant, isn't it, just the letters were changed. The symbol of both was the sun. Not so wrong, Boris.

[Cat]

Nikolay, I’m not a big specialist in theology, but the early Christians considered fish to be the symbol of Jesus.
About the name:
"Jesus is the modern Church Slavonic transliteration of the Greek form Ιησούς of the Hebrew name Yeshua, which is a truncation of the name consisting of the roots of the words" Yehova "- the name of God in the Old Testament and" shúa "- salvation. Before the church reform of Patriarch Nikon, the name of Jesus was written and pronounced from with one letter "and": "Isus." Patriarch Nikon changed the spelling and pronunciation to "Jesus" in order to bring them closer to the Greek version "

And the symbols of Zeus were thunder, lightning, and indeed he was considered the embodiment of punitive power, which somehow does not suit the Savior very much.
Well, who talked with Zeus and determined that internally he was ready to accept Christianity? Although weed, they say, is not such parishes

[baltika-18]

Quote: Gato

Nikolay, I’m not a big specialist in theology, but the early Christians considered fish to be the symbol of Jesus.

You know, Sergei, I rarely argue about religions, because I don't give a damn about them. "Opium, it's opium in Africa." And my post, so by the way, I remembered something.

[Cat]

Yes, I, in general, too.
I consider myself an atheist, although I am neutral-positive towards Orthodoxy.

[sergo0000]

On the Internet there
video "Zeitgeist"
There in detail in the first part of the film about religions in general.
Recommend. Conclusions to do to you.
For gato

[CTEPX]

Quote: Boris55

Scapegoats are made of Islam.

There is an opinion that Islam, during the collapse of Christianity, was invented by the Jews to fight against the Russians)).
And Orthodoxy is a defense against ...

[Tverichanka]

Quote: Boris55

we must fight with the cause and not with the consequences of it ...

100500 +++++++++++++++++++

[SHAKESPEARE]

Igor, you're wrong! the threat to Russia is Western democracy, which has destroyed the USSR and now is ruining Russia. After all, Russia itself is a half-Muslim state, and Christians and Muslims have been confronted by their foreheads for centuries, the work of the hands of the West and bandits in law. If democrats were now in power in Russia, then Russia itself in a single strong state would cease to exist and split into small republics, and this is the collapse of the economy and defense, would live in democracy. freedom of trepidation and with a chupachups in your mouth and you would have been dictated by the living conditions of Europeans and Americans, and you would not have been put and did not reckon with your territorial integrity and especially independence. Follow the puppets of democracy, lose the country and independence. And Islam has nothing to do with it, inside the enemies more than from the outside.

[Gecko]

Well, you also wrote "half Muslim state"
The number of traditionally Muslim peoples in Russia is about 14,5 million people. - About 10% of the country's population.

The number of Muslims by country is distributed as follows:

France - 5,8 million people - about 9% of the country's population
USA - 7 million people.
Germany - 3 million people
Italy - 1 million people.
Great Britain - 1,6 million people.

Despite the fact that in Russia the total number of Muslim peoples is indicated, and in other countries the number of believers is indicated.

[Buran]

Judging by the mood of the population, future elections will be held under the slogans of measures in migration policy. And those who propose more radical and effective measures will receive quite tangible advantages. Even the communists cannot but note all the harm of gastrobayterism, destroying how they express their support i.e. working class. The contagion of Muslim extremism is indistinguishable, for a dozen true Muslims there will always be an offended sheep with an inferiority complex. Such offended sheep who grew up in villages, arriving today in Russia and seeing with their own eyes the difference in living standards, instead of adapting, they begin to hate everyone and look for the guilty. Look at them all, most of them, not even twenty, no one told them that once, and they could live like that. Only for them their buys decided differently.

[zvereok]

Quote: Buran

Judging by the mood of the population, future elections will be held under the slogans of measures in migration policy.

There will be no slogans. Will be Putin. This is good - it’s better we haven’t had anyone yet. And it's bad, because it was Putin who made it so that no one is better and is not expected in the near future.

In general, the life consul is aging, and there is no one to replace him with.

[Cat]

Quote: zvereok

In general, the life consul is aging, and there is no one to replace him with.

Come on, under EBNe few people knew about Putin either. Probably, leaving the stage, the GDP will also point a finger at some .... Brutus.

[Buran]

The disease of our state is total nepotism, not corruption. Taburetkin is an example of this. While working in a government agency, I come across this almost every day. Personnel hunger does not exist. It is impossible for professionals to break through the crowd of friends and relatives. There is no alternative to GDP just because the population does not trust any of those in power, ranging from city authorities to federal ministries.

[zvereok]

Quote: Gato

in some .... Brutus.

Already poked once, now scary ...

[sams]

Quote: Buran

Judging by the mood of the population, future elections will be held under the slogans of measures in migration policy. And those who propose more radical and effective measures will receive quite tangible advantages.

This migration policy benefits our backstage authorities from all sides:
1. The titular population is diluted (weakened) by migrants.
2. The titular population experiences additional difficulties in obtaining livelihoods (weakening, degrading, decreasing).
3. The high level of crime caused by the influx of migrants and social tensions do not allow people to "relax" and do not give them the opportunity to focus on the main problems.
4. A large-scale hotbed of tension is created, which can be used (several options are available) at the right time.
5. a new submissive or not very (according to the situation) electorate is created.
6. And finally, cheap labor - you can always earn.
The delivery of migrants is a win-win move for our enemies. With any development of the situation, they will only benefit from this. And with controlled development - EVERYTHING will win!
For the titular population, migrants are the last instrument of the "peaceful" genocide (goodbye hope).

[pinecone]

The economic component is on a secondary plane. We are talking about the genocide of the Russian people in their native land.

[Goblin 28]

Quote: borisjdin1957

from the Don.
Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Stavropol .......
I’ll go sharpen the pitchfork! We are up to the handle.

from the Kuban.
And also the grandfather's saber with a dagger and more cartridges, even though we have "mummers Cossacks", but there are no others ... yet! And we accept everyone into the army, as in the old days! Come, who is for Mother Russia. There is no issue from the Kuban either!

[Revolver]

And where to come then? Your flag seems to be Icelandic.

[SPIRITofFREEDOM]

The non-Russians have already reached Siberia!

[Cat]

Quote: SPIRITofFREEDOM

The non-Russians have already reached Siberia!

Gee-gee. Interestingly, what did the non-Russians say when they saw the Cossacks of Yermak?

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: Gato

Gee-gee. Interestingly, what did the non-Russians say when they saw the Cossacks of Yermak?

They spoke:
- Oybai! Wenau kim? Ogan is not kerek? ("Who is this? What does he want?")
- Hey, Ermek, aren’t the wasps a pole? ("Ermak, what are you doing here?")
- Ermek, got lost, right? Your kazyain Maxim Sytaragan land there lies. This is not your land. Siberia is for Siberians! Down with the Russian migrant workers from the Siberian Khanate! Beat Yermak, save the ulus! 14/88! Yellow power! Pew Pew!

[sasha.28blaga]

Laughed dear.

[AlexanderV]

Nationalism is mortally dangerous for Russia and it doesn't matter which one. Finally, they did not become afraid of the word "Ideology". It is impossible to move on without an all-Russian ideology. And all power structures must ensure its advancement.

[Warrawar]

Quote: AleksandrV

Nationalism is mortally dangerous for Russia and it doesn't matter which one. Finally, they did not become afraid of the word "Ideology". It is impossible to move on without an all-Russian ideology. And all power structures must ensure its advancement.

You're right. But the most dangerous thing for Russia is the Russians. Free Russia from the Russians!

[sasha.28blaga]

I didn’t understand the couple in your comment. What do you want to free from whom?

[Chavy]

Western "friends" and their Russian lobbyists in power are allowing future terrorists into the country for bribes, and a scenario such as in Syria will be launched. They themselves will run away when it gets hot. It is now migrant workers who are still working and undergoing ideological training, and maybe even military training, for the Russians they already have the hatred that has accumulated over the years of slavery on selfish tsars. It remains to give a command from above so that they begin to smash in the most vulnerable areas of the country.

If this chaos is not stopped now, then it will not seem to anyone, Putin is wondering where he is looking? This is a quiet occupation of Russia, and no Hitler is needed as it turned out.

[Goldmitro]

<<< The expert suggested stopping the practice of patronizing Islamism at the top, radically changing the migration policy and ensuring an end to discrimination against Russians in the national republics of the Russian Federation. Urgent measures are needed to strengthen the ethnic core of Russia - Russians. >>>
In order to turn the tide, you need to engage not so much in catching ordinary jihadists, although it is also important how much you take up work with national elites, stop all flirting with them (the result of flirting is already in the face), regardless of the faces, to clean the figures from the authorities of the republics, not hindering, and even patronizing the Islamization of the population of the republics, finally, to render all possible assistance in strengthening the position of Islam traditional on the territory of Russia as a counterbalance to extremism and obscurantism of Wahhabism, heavily propagated in Russia by visiting emissaries, for whom the borders of Russia should be closed, and Wahhabism itself, finally, it is forbidden, (how much more can you endure this ???) as a religious sect, provoking interreligious strife and undermining the foundations of the Russian state!

[alexkross83]

The idea of ​​creating a strong Russian state with a communist ideology is needed, religion should be relegated to the background gradually, because it is not given to a person for good, 99% are spiritually not ready to accept it and interpret it in their own way, which leads to conflicts. Religion has always been an instrument of dodging of people. Values ​​must become different ...

[Abakanets]

Communism itself has long been discredited. The main thing in the Russian Federation should be RUSSIAN it should be fixed by law.

[Buran]

Communism is inherently more progressive and plastic, in contrast to capitalism. Discredited are the very "builders" of the late eighties, today's oligarchs and their children. And the current top of the Central Committee is not much different.

[Letterksi]

Communist ideology has already led us to what we are seeing now. The Russian state has always been sent and this, as you can see, is a religion. One hundred years ago there was no nationality as such, but faith. Who are you? - I'm Orthodox. And only the Communists introduced the concept of nationality, than began the split of the country. Russia stood up for the Serbs in the First World War, for the reason that they were Orthodox, and therefore the same who we ourselves are. It’s balls war for their faith. and only a limited person can now say that in vain Russia stood up for Serbia. If Russia had not stood up for Serbia then, it would have hit in the mud with its face just as in 1991, when it had not stood up for its own population in Chechnya, when 200 thousand were lost and another 200 were forced to flee. This is also when the Russians were slaughtered and driven out throughout Central Asia and the Caucasus in the same years.
The only thing the communists gave was social guarantees. And now, under these guarantees, crying and nagging are still heard that they again want in the USSR. These social guarantees were based on high birth rates, when two young men kept one old man. No new communism will lead to past successes; the old cannot be turned back, because the situation in the country and the world is completely different. All this communism destroyed the will of the people in factories
It is necessary to study the materiel better

[Buran]

I will answer right away. Russian, at least seven generations. Orthodox. But again, I repeat that communism is inherently disfigured by constant changes both in politics and in social foundations. Every politician, Lenin, Stalin, even a hunchbacked, built an ideology for this period of time. Just like the Americans are cutting democracy today. And as for the mat part, excuse me except for social guarantees there was a powerful army, weight in geopolitics, and scientific potential based on powerful education. As for Serbia, you see, you don’t know much how the political elite of this state behaved flirting with Europe and the USA and spitting half-dead Russia at that time.

[Chavy]

In general, it is time to cleanse the government from foreign agents like 1937, only not by murders, but to send them home in disgrace. Otherwise we will lose in the next "world war" against us. Power has been usurped by foreign lobbyists of all stripes and polit. prostitutes. The West is in bad fin. state and in the next 5 years will unleash a war with the hands of today's guest workers. What is happening with our allies is just a rehearsal and working out a script for its application in Russia.

[Grigorich 1962]

/ Ideology .... it will not appear overnight. Not only ideology .... A spiritual leader !! .. A real and not put on ... A spiritual leader capable of uniting and directing all religions and confessions of Russia. But wait to sit for him and there is nothing to do not do this crime. Of course, something is being done by the state represented by the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FMS. BUT judging by the fact that radicalism is growing and turning into a real threat, it is clearly not being done enough ..... the methods should be tough and the methods more decisive. Stop illegal migration !!! To the leaders ... to all the leaders of the known radical Islamist organizations to issue a written unequivocal warning about their actions and plans in Russia. They will not understand - to wet ... and soak so that they cannot find a place for themselves all over the world. And only so "" ... Remember as a. Nevsky said .... "" Whoever comes to us with a sword will die from the sword! ... This is very important now.

[Egen]

IMHO.
The author correctly said / showed / made conclusions.
I would not want to incite ethnic hatred, and so there is someone to incite. For this, correctly, we need a universal state policy - from raising children to immigration bans and activating the Office, and other departments. Unfortunately, in the traffic police over 50% of the personnel were cut, if in others it is the same, what kind of work is there :(
A separate topic is the migration service. According to American films, they have this serious thing, they catch everyone, and they built a wall on the border :), but - with us?
If there are knowledgeable forum users on it, it would be nice to give information.

[Sour]

(((Unfortunately, in the traffic police won 50% of the personnel cut)))
As far as I know, in the combat units of the traffic police reduced 15%. I know this from the people who work there. First of all, those who dared to object to the authorities and had their opinion were fired. As a rule, these were not the worst people, and the least corrupt.

[Egen]

Quote: Sour

in combat units, DPS reduced 15%.

Sorry Comrade Sour, I did not indicate where, I thought, and so it is clear that we are talking about the native Kuzbass :)
I am writing about the traffic police battalion, the militants - 50%. Those who periodically drove through Kuzbass can confirm that now you will hardly find traffic cops on the roads. It is clear that in the oblast they cut less, "their own" - less, so it will come out somewhere ... 25-30% per circle :) And you have this where it is geographically only 15%, but you have a paradise for state employees :), go also and doctors and teachers, the number is not falling but increasing :))
PS and, yes, the info is from a relative, not a small tama boss :)

[Revolver]

Quote: Egen

A separate topic is the migration service. According to American films, they have this serious thing, they catch everyone, and they built a wall on the border :), but - with us?
If there are knowledgeable forum users on it, it would be nice to give information.

While one illegal immigrant is being caught in the movies, in real life a hundred illegal immigrants (oh, sorry, I called them incorrectly, I should have had an "undocumented immigrant") crossing the border. In the border states, the Mexes and other Latinos will soon become the majority, and even here in the northeast they are like mud. Almost all official documents are printed with a Spanish translation, even subpoenas for jury duty (jury) and ballots, although it would seem that in order to obtain citizenship, a candidate must pass an English test, and these papers have nothing to do with non-citizens.
And this liberal Obama almost jumps out of his pants trying to "document" illegal immigrants, or, more simply, to legalize. It is clear why - when they get the right to vote, they will vote for the crap.

[Letterksi]

The activities of Pu, Dugin and his hedgehog led in 2012 to a "wonderful" ideology, the analysis of which is given here http://vnatio.org/news2904/ It turns out that we are all hostages, along with the security forces, on whom in the first place will lie the burden of "bringing the situation back to normal." The siloviks are forced to disperse everyone and everything, if only to preserve this vile power of the Surkovshchina of Medvedev and other husks in power. And they try to do all sorts of Eurasian unions / experiments. As a result, after the final loss of control over the situation, as always at all times, we-Ivans will put our heads down and bring the situation back to normal. First of all, in order to resist the threats described in the article, we need OUR state with OUR power, and not a breed of state, which politically correct and paid N Starikov, Dugin, Ivashov, Prokhanov, Izborsky club and other Eurasian obscurantists who are trying to do of us clay for cementing all the Hizbut-Tahrir IMU and the Caliphates, now also the Mongols!

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: LetterKsi

OUR state

Is our state Russia or Kazakhstan? I can’t get it - do you have a passport of which country?

[Letterksi]

I am Orthodox or Russian, whatever. In this case, the passport does not matter

[Marek Rozny]

Yes, as it matters. When a person lives with me in one country, but believes that his state is another country, this is fraught. How can I trust you? You are ready to expel all strangers from Russia, but you yourself are a stranger in Kazakhstan. Maybe you don’t have to sit on two chairs?
I would understand you perfectly if you were worried about Russia, but at the same time considered Kazakhstan as your state. Moreover, I would fully support you in your concerns for Russia, since I myself am not indifferent to the future of this country. But by all appearances, the priorities of Russia are higher for you than the priorities of Kazakhstan - and this is called the "fifth column". So, either be a Kazakhstani, or go to Russia even then to fight for your ideals, having received Russian citizenship. Otherwise, you are just the same guest worker against whom you are fussing here.
Remember the anecdote about a Jew in a bath? "Abram Moiseevich, you either take off the cross, or put on your panties ..."
ZY If you were spitting in the direction of your historical homeland - Russia and would swear 100% loyalty to Kazakhstan and to everything Kazakh, I would generally ask you to get out of Kazakhstan with obscenities. Because this is the action of a mankurt. Well, just ask you to decide - the priorities of which country are higher for you, and accordingly where you should live then. The notion "Russian Kazakhstani" (to whom I respect) consists of two parts - "Russian" and "Kazakhstani".

[Letterksi]

1. Why did you get the idea that I live in Kazakhstan? Did the flag bother you? I can make it become Chinese, for example.

2. Why did you bring a joke about a Jew in a bathhouse? I seem to have said without coding that I am an Orthodox Russian.

3. Yes, Russia's priorities are higher for me.

4. What does Kazakhstan have to do with my first post? In it, I talked about the Dugin Eurosian Union and so on, and also mentioned the HizbutTahrir IMU and the caliphate. And you bit a bit on my passport and your country of Kazakhstan. Are you an IMU fan and an ardent person who wants to live in a caliphate? Believe you won't like it

5. You yourself got into a topic that Kazakhstan and you are not concerned with in any way and betrayed yourself with giblets. It is for this reason, because of an incomprehensible hypertrophic resentment of Central Asians against Russians and Orthodox, that Russians, like me, do not want Central Asians to come to our country. And the insult is visible, for the reason that you reacted so painfully and began to accuse me of what I did not and who I am not

6. I will not spit in the direction of Russia, do not even hope in my innermost fantasies

7. Try to understand the roots and sponsors of the IMU and HizbutTahrir, and immediately find yourself in London. Scour the site anna-news.info, see that the Salafi plague threatens not only Russia or Kazakhstan, but Eurasia as a whole. This is a news resource about the war in Syria. And I wholeheartedly support the victory of the Syrian people with Assad at the head. Notice the Syrian people are mostly Muslims. The ophthalmologist is much better than the furniture maker

8. And yet, decide on your faith of confession - Tengrianism, Islam or Saudi Wahhabism. You can’t sit on three stools at the same time

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: LetterKsi

1. Why did you get the idea that I live in Kazakhstan? Did the flag bother you?

I am not only convinced that you live in KZ, but I can also say that your ISP is Kazakhstani "Beeline" (it has a characteristic jamb - constantly changing IP addresses from Kazakh to American). And just do not tell me that you are in Russia, but that you are ashamed of the Russian flag and therefore got confused with obtaining a Kazakh IP address or that this is an "unknown h.nya". No Russian provider gives Russians a default Kazakh IP address.

Quote: LetterKsi

2. Why did you bring a joke about a Jew in a bathhouse? I seem to have said without coding that I am an Orthodox Russian.

So that you are not like a man trying to sit on two chairs. Or go to Russia, or be a Kazakhstani.

Quote: LetterKsi

3. Yes, Russia's priorities are higher for me.

It's your right. So go there. What for you is in KZ? Not enough money to move? In Russia, there is a program for immigrants, contact the consulate. Even the poor Tajiks even find the means to move to Russia, what keeps you here?

Quote: LetterKsi

4. What does Kazakhstan have to do with my first post? In it, I talked about the Dugin Eurosian Union and so on, and also mentioned the HizbutTahrir IMU and the caliphate. And you bit a bit on my passport and your country of Kazakhstan. Are you an IMU fan and an ardent person who wants to live in a caliphate? Believe you won't like it

It irritates me that in my country there are elements disloyal to Kazakhstan. Just like you are annoyed by such elements in Russia. Only I live at the same time, and you, as a guest worker in my country (I hope you will not now beat your fist in the chest, telling that "Kazakhstan is your country" after all your phrases?) I have the same attitude to the IMU as the overwhelming majority of Muslims have a negative one. Only I know the difference between Islam and Salafis, and for you all Muslim words are "the lexicon of terrorists".

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: LetterKsi

5. You yourself got into a topic that Kazakhstan and you are not concerned with in any way and betrayed yourself with giblets. It is for this reason, because of an incomprehensible hypertrophic resentment of Central Asians against Russians and Orthodox, that Russians, like me, do not want Central Asians to come to our country. And the insult is visible, for the reason that you reacted so painfully and began to accuse me of what I did not and who I am not

Rave. a) The theme of the relationship between religions and terrorism is a topic that concerns everyone. b) I gave myself away in what ??? c) Kazakhstan - is not Central Asia. d) The inhabitants of Central Asia have no particular complaints against Russians or Orthodox. Rather, some Asian Russians have a grudge against the fact that no one makes them three times at a meeting and does not give them yellow pants because of their Russian / Orthodox Christianity.

Quote: LetterKsi

6. I will not spit in the direction of Russia, do not even hope in my innermost fantasies

Calm down, I don’t have such fantasies. Read carefully what was written about it, and what it was written about.

Quote: LetterKsi

7. Try to understand the roots and sponsors of the IMU and HizbutTahrir, and immediately find yourself in London. Scour the site anna-news.info, see that the Salafi plague threatens not only Russia or Kazakhstan, but Eurasia as a whole.

Apparently, you have recently been in the subject)))) Ethnic Kazakhs have long known what the IMU, HT and Salafism are))))

Quote: LetterKsi

8. And yet, decide on your faith of confession - Tengrianism, Islam or Saudi Wahhabism. You can’t sit on three stools at the same time

And this tells me a person who can not determine citizenship? Killed)))) And as for religion, I once again became convinced how some Russians from among the allegedly "disadvantaged" have no idea about the country in which they live))) Otherwise, I would have known that Islam and Tengrianism are mixed among the Kazakhs, in the same way as in Orthodoxy, Russians have enough rudiments of paganism) Or do you, Orthodox, do not celebrate the Pancake Day?)))) Well, about the fact that I'm supposedly a Wahhabite - it's like you "ruined the air"))))

In short, do not be nervous, but just go to the historical homeland. And then there will be no misunderstandings. What for you Kazakhstan? You don’t need him. Buy a ticket - go to the fight against migrant workers.

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: LetterKsi

1. Why did you get the idea that I live in Kazakhstan? Did the flag bother you? I can make it become Chinese, for example.

Wahaha, I’m not only convinced that you live in Kazakhstan, I also know your surname and who you work for))))) You wouldn’t be so frustrated out of the blue, posing as a Russian, Igor))))

[Letterksi]

This reaction amuses me, it’s good, write more. If it does not fit in one comment field, write three or four comments.

By the way, I didn’t say that I’m a Russian; you yourself invented it. I said that I am a right-sent Russian

[Marek Rozny]

Reread your comments, you expose yourself as a citizen of Russia in them, and not Kazakhstan. And in general, for you, Kazakhstan is a fascist state. Blow to the historical homeland, migrant workers. There, and fight for Russia without Gastes and alliances with the Kazakhs, Belarusians and others who enter the Eurasian Union. So it will be more logical.
And if you don't want to go to your historical homeland, be a Kazakhstani and a patriot of your country. Do something for the development of the country of which you are a citizen. Then I myself will take off my hat in front of you, and in the face I will give it to anyone who tells you "Suitcase, station, Russia". I myself will say in front of everyone that this is your land, and you are a full citizen and owner of this country. And so ... you are just a random element in Kazakhstan with hostile views. Blow from here.

ZY I'm deeply on the drum who you are by nationality and religion. Kazakhs are not e..t absolutely. Even if you were the most savage Kazakh and Muslim, I would tell you the same thing - get out of here. You can scold and vilify Kazakhstan, but only if you consider this country to be yours, and the rest of Kazakhstanis as like-minded people. If you do not consider Kazakhstan your country, then you have nothing to do here. Why don't you understand here? The bulk of the "restrained" losers dumped in the 90s, and you probably did not have time to catch the train. Or be a Russian Kazakh or be a Russian Russian. That's all.

[Was mammoth]

The funnel will deal with the "restrained"! And will not have time to dump

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Marek Rozny

I also know your surname and who you work with)))))

Has the funnel already left?

[Marek Rozny]

Funnels leave us for the Salafis. And on this type, even gasoline is a pity to spend. Let him get to the Russian consulate on his own so that he can get out of here under the resettlement program for "compatriots".
He who has hands and a head has something of his own in Kazakhstan. And you can't push him out of Kazakhstan with a bulldozer. And when the hands grow out of the ass, then "oppression", "conspiracies" and "evil eyes" appear. These losers are not even able to build a house for themselves, and consider themselves "the creators of all Kazakhstan." Those who built and raised Kazakhstan - hell will leave here. And all sorts of shit (convicts, dropouts) were sent to us in the Kazakh SSR in Soviet times more than enough. Normal Russian Kazakhs (who are many times more than these "insulted and humiliated") are the pride of our country, and take these whiners back for yourself. And we will give you normal Russians, this our.

[Corsair]

War of civilizations

An incorrectly selected heading spoils the overall urgent article.
Well, the criminal does not bear Shushar and the terrorists from Islam NO indications Civilizations и CIVILIZATION.
Russia has historically always been at the junction of Western and Eastern civilizations, and has absorbed the best of them. That is why we are in a more paramount position in front of the Euro-Atlanteans, although at the same time we are fighting at the "front line" of the fight against terrorism.And the victory will be ours!

[Abakanets]

It’s time to close the borders with the Central Asian viper, because only Islamic crawls out of there. To keep Russian Muslims under total control. To secure legislative superiority in the employment of citizens of the Russian Federation over foreigners. They have no job? Yes, do not care, even though they are eating each other with hunger, this is not our business. Introduce visas, and deport foreigners at the expense of the host country.

[Sour]

Quote: dejavu

Only Russians can save this world. "

We must first of all save ourselves. Enough "saving the world", he never thanked us for that.

[True]

And by the way, China has a pretty tolerable system of combating Muslim extremism. I advise you to familiarize yourself.

[Kolyan]

As always, the Americans themselves do not want to fight, so they raised the Wahhabis. To save the country, the leadership needs to act quickly and decisively, including, finally, changing the constitution.

[Sour]

Quote: LetterKsi

and other Eurasian obscurantists trying to make clay out of us for cementing all kinds of HizbutTahrir IMU and caliphates,

I totally agree.
Eurasians are fierce enemies of the Russian people, even worse than liberalists. They want Russia to again become a satisfying feeding trough for Russophobic peoples, and in return for gratitude, Russia will again receive ridicule and damnation from these peoples, as was the case in the late 80s and early 90s. Eurasians are a hundred times more dangerous than liberals, because different Nemtsovs and Gozmans are too visible with the naked eye, and figures like Dugin mow down under patriots and use patriotic phraseology. Although, in fact, their goal is to inject a hungry Russian and a well-fed and satisfied national living at his expense. This is their understanding of patriotism. I well remember the Soviet era and the abundance in Ukrainian and Baltic stores, empty counters in the Russian province. Although the Russians in the USSR have always worked the most. And now the situation with filling the counters has leveled off, and for good reason. Time has put everything in its place, but the Eurasians do not like it.

[Abakanets]

As far as I can remember Dugin called physics and mathematics "demonic sciences"

[Sour]

He's not the first. Back in the 17th century, Patriarch Nikon named geometry among the "godless" sciences.

[Cat]

You are too strict for the church. In the end, she acknowledged that the Earth is round.
What a pity, I really wanted to see elephants

[12061973]

Alexey Pashentsev, a Russian leader from a gang in Makhachkala, Dokku Umarov, makes him a new star like Tikhomirov, and there are many such examples of Saprykin

[Mr.M]

Alas, the ideological, religious and moral vacuum created in the country is the ideal soil for the cultivation of extremism.

[zvereok]

Here's how the Poles solve the problem of (legal) migration:

“Poland is for the Poles, so ... let's burn the Chechens!” - under this heading, Gazeta Wyborcza narrates about the incident in Zeleny Vzgorzy in Bialystok, Poland. And he explains further: again unknown bandits attacked the refugees.


http://mediarupor.ru/blog/43279936026/%22Multikulturnyiy-podhod-ne-rabotaet%22:-
v-polshe-podzhigayut-zhili

[Firebox]

I read your messages, and I see that you all hate Islam and other nations, I don’t think that Kazakhstan has any sense in any alliances with a country that is heading towards fascism...

[zvereok]

Quote: FireBox

I read your messages, and I see that you all hate Islam and other nations, I don’t think that Kazakhstan has any sense in any alliances with a country that is heading towards fascism...

How about the fact that we hate criminals who, violating our laws, entered the territory of our country, brought with them diseases, drug trafficking, an additional criminal component and are dumping labor in relation to the indigenous population. In addition, they mostly do not pay taxes.

Is this fascism? No one (at least I) condemns legal migration.

[Buran]

Excuse me, but where do you see the slide towards fascism? A nation that wants to gain its own identity in its own state. Don't you think there is something unnatural in this phrase? In Russia there are Tatars, Bashkirs, Yakuts, and all Russians suddenly turned into “Russians”. Moreover, it can be noted that there has never been a call for violence against any nation. People want to live in their own country. And according to our own laws. I can remind you how the same Russians and not only them were practically thrown out of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan...

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: Buran

I can remind you how the same Russians and not only them were practically thrown out of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan...

I would also drink LetteraXi. We, Kazakhstanis, sent 1,5 million “golden-armed and golden-headed” (as they usually call themselves) to you in Russia - for 20 years, NOT ONE emigrant from Kazakhstan has achieved anything in Russia. These “refugees” (with almost Russian surnames, but all beating their fists in the chest, proving how supposedly “Russian in spirit” they are) have not given Russia a single prominent entrepreneur, politician, cultural figure, doctor, etc. in 20 years. They couldn’t even give birth to a DJ on the music channel. Previously, the Kazakhs prevented them from achieving something, but now “the Jews, migrants, Putin, the State Department and the Martians.” These are not Russians, they are a pale shadow of Russian people. Normal Russians in Kazakhstan make Kazakhs cry with pride that they live in the same country with us. And with this we can only say: “Get out, pigeons, don’t disgrace the Russian diaspora of Kazakhstan.”
It wouldn’t hurt you, Russians, either, to kick these “sufferers” out somewhere else. For example, to their real historical homelands, if they are still unable to benefit Russia.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Marek Rozny

For 20 years, NOT A SINGLE emigrant from Kazakhstan has achieved anything in Russia.

Not everyone can be a thieving minister. For some reason I came across decent, honest people here, professionals in their field from Kazakhstan. Somehow a lot of “foam” has gone away. Only the original soap remains. Is it clear about whom?

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: There was a mammoth

Not everyone can be a thieving minister. For some reason I came across decent, honest people here, professionals in their field from Kazakhstan. Somehow a lot of “foam” has gone away. Only the original soap remains. Is it clear about whom?

Well, if they can’t become politicians in Russia, then at least let them become cultural and educational figures! What is the problem? There are ex-Kazakhstanis who moved to the Russian Federation because they never intended to live outside of Russia, they simply accidentally ended up in the Kazakh SSR before 1991. The union collapsed - they left for their real small homeland in Russia. None of them throw poop at Kazakhstan. But there is a significant mass of ex-Kazakhstanis who are convinced that they were left out of work in KZ because of their nationality. Even in KZ they didn’t watch their language, and now in Russia they are choking on saliva at everyone and everything. Look at this LetterKsi - how the Kazakhs should react to him when he actually openly says that he doesn’t give a damn about Kazakhstan and does not recognize it as his state. Do you need foreigners in Russia who will treat Russia with contempt? I think no. Why do we need these types? Smile at them just because they are Russian? Yes, the Kazakh does not care who he is according to his genes and which Buddha he believes in. Take them with you. Babysit them yourself.
Can you name at least one surname of a Russian ex-Kazakhstan who would inspire admiration in Russia? Well, or at least just stupidly known to Russia? Any Kazakh can name a bunch of Russian-Kazakh politicians, athletes, businessmen, and artists. And who in Russia knows at least one name of the famous “Russian refugee”? For 20 years, this “diaspora” has not been able to produce anything from its midst. You see, someone is disturbing them again.
I say again, a normal, adequate Russian Kazakh citizen has long since grown into Kazakhstan by his deeds. He won't go anywhere - be it an official or a simple plumber. And if he leaves, it will not be because he was “squeezed out,” but for family reasons. And it wouldn’t even occur to him to blame anyone for anything.
I know only one ex-Kazakhstani who left for Russia after 1991, and who is the pride of Russia (although most Russians do not know his last name) - helicopter pilot Kaiyrgeldy Maidanov (in Russia he was called Nikolai). But it is unlikely that he would accuse the Kazakhs of “Kazakh nationalism”, since he himself was an ethnic Kazakh. A lot of military personnel left in the 90s, because our army was reduced three times (from 300 thousand to 100 thousand), and in Russia at that time there was a Chechen war and the military was needed. Maidanov got a provincial position, and the Russians offered the best helicopter pilot in the USSR good conditions, so he moved. And many officers then moved to the Russian Federation, not finding employment in the reduced Kazakh army.
And all the other civilians who call themselves “forced migrants” are, without exception, mediocrities, losers and simply parasites. And they will produce exclusively rotten offspring.
Z.Y. My words do not apply to those who left for family reasons or because of nostalgia for the “small Motherland” from where they once arrived in the KazSSR, but only to the pseudo-“disadvantaged”. It was better to drive them out of Russia than Tajik janitors.

[Letterksi]

You will also say that national fascism does not exist in Kazakhstan.
30% of Russians living in it are actually excluded from the opportunity to occupy management positions and organize organizations according to national standards. sign. Russian women can still make their way into the middle management of a private structure by showing their loyalty to their superiors. But a Russian man can only work in complex technical specialties for a salary that is not related to the distribution of financial flows. You can only work in a dependent position, like a workforce without a future. If a Russian man, by the will of fate and brains, ends up in middle management, then at every business meeting he catches surprised glances at how this can even happen.

Kazakhstan's membership in the CU is political, but not economic, due to the Dugin Eurasian experiment and the very long border between Kazakhstan and Russia, which does not have natural barriers such as mountain ranges. But such natural barriers exist on the external borders. Kazakhstan primarily benefits from the CU in terms of security, since, due to its population of 16 million, it is absolutely unable to keep this territory under its control. To be honest, this territory is waiting in the wings for division.

The Zhanaozen events showed the vulnerability of Kazakhstan. If we create a mess in the Caspian territories of Kazakhstan, lasting about three to four months, the whole of Kazakhstan will be left absolutely without a means of subsistence. Any military man who, in addition to tactics, knows the rudiments of strategy will tell you this.

In the medium-long term, Kazakhstan will in any case be economically dependent either on Russia, or on China, or on some caliphate. The most important thing for Kazakhstan is to accept the correct multi-vector approach in order to remain part of the historical process for as long as possible

[Firebox]

SHIETO!? I only read the first sentences and I’m already “awkward”, I personally know a lot of people who sit in the position of akims, on TV I often see deputies of non-Kazakh nationality, or do you already want the president to be removed from his seat and a Russian installed? They also say that foreigners from nearby countries take jobs and don’t give jobs to holy Russians, but you can see for yourself that Russians won’t work as janitors, etc., everyone wants to sit in the office and whoever will sweep the streets if you kick everyone out “CHUROK” ", in the USA and other countries, immigrants from poor countries work in such work and this is considered NORMAL. Talk about nationalism, but it is at a very low level here. YOU are writing some stories here...
P.S
if we are nationalists, then first take a look at your dear country and spend a couple of hours on social networks where nationalism and racism are clearly expressed, now this is considered “COOL”. And, yes, such reasoning already reveals nationalism in you.
and yes, Russians are the only nation that uses the word "NON-RUSSIAN"

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: LetterKsi

You will also say that national fascism does not exist in Kazakhstan.

It only exists in your head.

Quote: LetterKsi

30% of Russians living in it are actually excluded from the opportunity to occupy management positions and organize organizations according to national standards. sign.

Russians (and Russian speakers) as current senior leaders of ministries and departments of Kazakhstan and politicians/governors:
Bozhko, Vladimir Karpovich - Minister of Emergency Situations
Marchenko - Chairman of the National Bank.
Kvyatkovsky is the executive secretary (first deputy) of the Ministry of Industry and New Technologies.
Zhigalov - Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Petrov - Vice Minister of the Ministry of Emergency Situations.
Lukin - Deputy Chairman of the Agency of the Republic of Kazakhstan for Combating Economic and Corruption Crime (financial police).
Bakhmutova - Former Chairman of the Agency for Financial Supervision.
Dernovoy is a former Minister of Health, currently executive secretary (first deputy minister) of the Ministry of Environmental Protection.
Korzhova is a former Minister of Finance, now executive secretary (first deputy minister) of the Ministry of Finance.
Kulinich - Deputy Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
Rogov is the Chairman of the Constitutional Council.
Sorokin - Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force
Gromov - Deputy Minister of the Moscow Region
Merkel - First Deputy Prosecutor General
Dyachenko is the akim (governor) of the Akmola region.
Kulagin is the akim (governor) of the Kostanay region of Kazakhstan (his son is the akim of the Astana region).
Schoolboy - Deputy Head of the Presidential Administration
Bobrov is the Deputy Chairman of the Mazhilis of Parliament (lower house of parliament).
Elections - Chairman of the Committee on Combating Drug Trafficking and Control of Illicit Drug Trafficking of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
Chirkov is Chairman of the State Energy Supervision Committee of the Ministry of Industry.
Shkarupa - Deputy Chairman of the Agency for the Regulation of Natural Monopolies
Parsegov is deputy chairman of the Agency for Protection of Competition.
Tikhonyuk is deputy chairman of the Agency for Construction and Housing and Communal Services.
Khoroshun - First Deputy Akim (Mayor) of Astana.
Krylov - Deputy Akim (Mayor) of Astana.
Dolzhenkov - Deputy Akim (Mayor) of Almaty.
Pinchuk - Deputy Akim (Governor) of the East Kazakhstan region
Sklyar is the first deputy akim (governor) of the Pavlodar region.

Members of Parliament: Chirkalin, Dmitrienko, Bychkova, Dymov, Kikolenko, Turetsky, Rogalev, Gellert, Polishchuk, Ferho, Kotovich, Kiyansky, Klebanova, Milyutin, Nekhoroshev, Pitalenko, Yakovleva, Tarasenko, Sudin.

Etc. This list is far from complete And besides them there are also a lot of Germans, Koreans, Uighurs and others. So only those who are not in the know can talk about the absence of Russians in power in KZ.

And about TS, Zhanaozen and China - in general, complete crap from your mouth. You're a kitchen talker.

[Was mammoth]

Crap! And we only have Aman Tuleyev. But are your all already assimilated Russian deputies?

[Marek Rozny]

Firstly, there is no need to focus on “Russian deputies”. The first leaders from among the Russians - in bulk. And many of those who now work as deputies previously worked as first managers; they were simply demoted due to “shortcomings” in their work. Tomorrow they may be raised again. And this list, as I already said, is far from complete. Plus, of course, he did not mention former Russian officials, such as Khrapunov (ex-Minister of Energy, ex-head of Almaty, ex-head of the East Kazakh region, now a billionaire living in Switzerland, a criminal case has been opened against him - now he also exposes himself as a “victim of the Nazarbayev regime”) or Tereshchenko is an ex-prime minister.
Secondly, they are not assimilated. They don’t even speak the state language (or they can just say a couple of forced phrases with a terrible accent, after which, of course, they switch to Russian). There are no assimilated Russians in Kazakhstan at all.

Aman Tuleyev - is not the only Kazakh in the Russian political establishment. There is also a general of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, a State Duma deputy Vladimir Abdualievich Vasiliev (ex-chairman of the State Duma Committee on Security, ex-deputy secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation). Born in Moscow.
Well, it would be a stretch to count the ex-minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Rashida Nurgalieva (now the head of the Security Council of the Russian Federation). He is a Kazakh Tatar from the Kostanay region.
And there are no more Russian officials of Kazakh origin. Kazakhs usually don’t get involved in politics in Russia. They have two main niches - agriculture and the army/MVD.

[Egen]

Quote: Marek Rozny

Aman Tuleyev is not the only Kazakh in the Russian political establishment

Why Tuleyev, he’s Kazakh by nationality, according to his passport, but he’s Soviet :) We, of course, have mosques, etc., but neither Tuleyev nor AKO is pursuing any preferential national policy.

[Marek Rozny]

Sorry, but I didn't quite understand you.
1) Russian Kazakhs - are they no longer Kazakhs? Or just “according to your passport”? Well, in this case, it’s time to perceive Kazakh Russians as Kazakhs. And don’t raise the hackneyed topic of “bad Kazakhs offend Russians.” If Tuleyev kagbe is no longer Kazakh, then even LetterXi - kagbe is no longer Russian. Fair?
2) Kazakhs do not pursue a “preferential national policy” anywhere. Be it Tuleyev or Nazarbayev. In our KZ, both Russians and Uyghurs were prime ministers. This doesn’t bother Kazakhs at all. If they could also master the state language (at least within a conversational framework) - that would be great. And the fact that the minister, that a simple Russian Kazakh citizen has lived his whole life in Kazakhstan, and still doesn’t even know how to buy bread in the Kazakh language.
And some, like LetterKsi, don’t speak the language, are not distinguished by their loyalty, and, of course, didn’t even think about going to serve in the Kazakh army. And then they wonder why they are not hired as officials... I wonder if in Russia they hire a foreigner into the civil service who does not speak the state language and at the same time treats Russia with contempt? I think any normal Russian would be indignant at this fact. Why are Russians surprised that analogues of these types remain out of business in Kazakhstan? First, you give a position to some Mugambe-Yugambe, who in Russian is neither be nor me, but has views towards Russia like Condoleezza Rice, and then we’ll see if the Kazakhs are doing the right thing when they cut off such Mugambe-Yugambe or after all, “Kazakhs are fascists and oppressors of Russian Kazakhs.”
All that an ordinary Kazakh needs from a Russian fellow citizen is loyalty to Kazakhstan. Even ignorance of the language can be forgiven. But the arrogant attitude towards the country and towards the Kazakhs themselves is felt very subtly by the steppe inhabitants. More than once I was assaulted when I heard from some Slavs something like “compliments”: “It’s very interesting to work with you - this is the first time I encounter an educated Kazakh” or “Kazakhstan is a reliable underbelly of Russia.” These people wanted to please me, but in the end they ran into aggression. The bulk of such idiots left here, but some still remained (usually for material and selfish reasons). But what amazes me most of all is that those “refugees” from Kazakhstan, who even here on the website regularly write that “Kazakhstan is a nationalist state that oppresses Russians,” almost ALL of them left their parents in Kazakhstan! And why? Because real pensions in Kazakhstan are higher than in Russia. Because they have not learned to love either their homeland, or those around them, or their parents. Would it even occur to a normal Russian person to abandon his parents in the “Nazi state”? But for our pseudo-refugees, this is absolutely normal. They even take the piano with them to Russia, and push their parents onto the necks of “Kazakh nationalists” and “satrap Nazarbayev.” For the life of me, I don’t understand their logic.
If you think that I am exaggerating, ask anyone here on the site who you notice lamenting “how the evil ungrateful Kazakhs kicked me out of Kazakhstan” about the whereabouts of his parents. The answer is usually the same - “uh, in Kazakhstan, what?” These are the “refugees” who fled from us.
Z.Y. And if you want, I can name some members of the forum who “forcibly moved” from Kazakhstan, “forgetting” their parents in Kazakhstan))) And they don’t even understand what’s wrong with this...

[Egen]

Quote: Marek Rozny

Sorry, but I didn't quite understand you. 1) Russian Kazakhs - are they no longer Kazakhs? Or just “according to your passport”?

Yes, Marek, you misunderstood a little. As far as I understand you, by “Kazakhs” you mean CITIZENS of the existing Republic of Kazakhstan. And I meant that Tuleyev was never a CITIZEN of the Republic of Kazakhstan. He has been working in Kuzbass and for the benefit of Kuzbass since ancient Soviet times. It has nothing to do with Kazakhstan as an independent state. Therefore, it is not worth equating him with refugees or anyone else about whom there is fuss, IMHO. this is a completely different matter, interstate :)

Quote: Marek Rozny

Kazakhs do not pursue a “preferential national policy” anywhere.

Well, that’s great, I don’t mind at all :)

[Alibekulu]

Quote: LetterKsi

You will also say that national fascism does not exist in Kazakhstan.

Hmm, on purpose, I googled the term "national fascism", I didn’t find something In general, he is not on the Internet.. And, perhaps, he hid in Kazakhstan??! Can you tell me where? Links, appearances..
The essence of your hysterical tirade is clear)) and fully manifested in the phrase that the Russians are not related to the distribution of financial flows.
This is the essence of all your complaints... It is very reminiscent of the strike of American soldiers who refused to go into battle because they were not sent ice cream...

labor without a future.

You say that Russians are labor force)). Then, the question: “Why don’t you, and those like them, leave Kazakhstan, where, in your words, you are a slave??!” Why don’t you go to a place where you will be a free person??!! At least in the Russian Federation!! Or are you a masochist?! Do you like it when “evil Kazakhs” bully you (I came to this conclusion after reading your post)??!

[Alibekulu]

Kazakhstan's membership in the CU, due to the Dugin Eurasian experiment

Actually, Nazarbayev proposed the idea of ​​Eurazes in the 90s, when no one really knew about Dugin..

The Zhanaozen events showed the vulnerability of Kazakhstan.

Yeah, another smart guy Damn expert...
These events are largely related to the distribution of financial flows. Those. this rebellion is precisely connected with the discontent of the local elite, who wanted to be allowed into the “oil pie.”

If you create a mess, the whole of Kazakhstan will be left absolutely without a livelihood.

Don't be ridiculous about my slippers)).. Especially for you"The total gold and foreign exchange reserves of Kazakhstan exceeded $70 billion - Chairman of the National Bank of the Republic Grigory Marchenko".

Any military man who, in addition to tactics, knows the rudiments of strategy will tell you this.

Yes, it turns out you are a sapsem Have you even finished school as a “strategist”??

The most important thing for Kazakhstan is to accept the correct multi-vector approach

This is like the one adopted by Gorbachev and Yeltsin in relation to the “West”??!!
And don't dream...
P.S. Write something else.. it’s very funny to read your posts.. It really lifts my spirits..

[Black]

The communists in the 20s took on the impossible. For 60 years, in the crucible of time, troubles, repressions, wars, common big and small affairs, victories, a new community was forged - the Soviet people. It seems that at the 25th Congress, Leonid Ilyich delighted the world about its creation.
In fact, the Bolsheviks took on the impossible, and by pulling small nations and nationalities out of the Middle Ages, they gave birth to a monster - a painful national identity. At the same time, Russianness was left to be torn to pieces, and any word in defense provoked military-Russian chauvinism!! The bomb planted by the Bolsheviks exploded.
IMHO. Is there still room on the Kazan Cathedral for another (or maybe more than one) dome? We need to cook. Not far away.
But this will not be Chechnya. There will be a real civilian here. Don is ready.

[Arrogant]

Siberia too

[Van]

I have a proposal regarding ideology for Russia, although it’s not an easy matter, but who said it would be easy, and the proposal is this: Unite all nations, abolish all borders, create a single control center of planet Earth, and then to the conquest and study of the universe.

[amp]

I'm not going to team up with the chumps.

[Buran]

Are you, my friend, Trotsky?

[Sinbad]

We have already gone through this, and the underlying reason was Zionism.

[Cat]

A very good proposal, especially since humanity simply has no other options. Otherwise, the next world war will be fought with clubs (and no longer by people).

And we will dismiss accusations from the audience of Trotskyism and Zionism as unorganized

[Tverichanka]

Quote: Wang

there is a single control center of planet Earth

And we’ll build the city of the Sun. Yeah, let’s shake off the dust from Campanella...

[Van]

Quote: Tverichanka

And we will build the city of the Sun.

Why not? After all, the desire for something great is better than the vegetation, wars and degradation that we now see. After all, humanity has already proven once that it is capable of great achievements.

[fenix57]

Quote: AleksandrV

. Without an all-Russian ideology it is impossible to move forward. And all power structures must ensure its advancement.

So the power structures work according to instructions from above (seemingly correctly), i.e. "indication" is needed from the relevant Ministries and... , and the ALL-RUSSIAN ideology will go FORWARD in such a way... that “mother, don’t worry,” who could stop it later...

[amp]

It's high time to ban Islam to hell!
People who consider an illiterate bandit, murderer and pedophile to be a prophet are not people, but animals.

[zvereok]

Quote: Wang

I have a proposal regarding ideology for Russia, although it is not an easy matter, but who said that it would be easy, but the proposal is: Unite all nations, abolish all borders, create a single control center of planet Earth, and then to the conquest and study of the universe . fellow

“The fight for world peace is such that we will not leave any stone unturned!”

[12061973]

Many comments are one-sided.

[Lakkuchu]

This map expresses the essence of the attitude of modern Russian people to all other peoples.

Quote: 12061973

Many comments are one-sided.

If it were simply one-sidedness, they sin with hostility and hatred towards people of other faiths and other nationalities.

[Minuteman]

“The sacred cow of communism” - Friendship of Peoples from the very beginning was sick with communism rabies.
For that fought for it and ran.
Today Russia is a non-commissioned officer's widow who flogged herself.

[Roll]

And under the communists in the USSR, peoples were friends, and especially under Stalin. The whole mess started in the 70s. Now a clash of civilizations is inevitable, and then there will be a single faith. In a golden billion you can’t really make a fuss; they’ll be shoved into the oven in an instant.

[dc120mm]

Radical Islam is becoming stronger all over the world. DANGEROUS ! ! !

The Orthodox need to unite!

[DAGESTAN333]

As a Muslim, I see the situation as follows: in the world, the formation of another standard of Evil is taking place, the most suitable candidate (that came to hand at this historical stage) is Islam. But it is not Islam itself that is presented to people, but its worst deviation - Islamic extremism. ALL the world's media have a command to cover only the behavior of 1% (approximately) of a rabid crowd of people calling themselves Muslims... But you never! You won’t see in the media the life and everyday life of ordinary, normal Muslims, of whom the overwhelming majority are present. You will not know what they think about the conflict in Syria, about Al-Qaeda, about terrorist attacks around the world... In almost all Islamic states, the government consists of a separate and small circle of strange people (for example, the Saudis in Saudi Arabia), whose interests are, surprisingly coincide with the interests of England and the USA. What do you think will happen if the US withdraws its troops from Saudi Arabia? How long will the Saudis stay in power...? Why don’t such “objective” media (the same Al-Jazeera) of Saudi Arabia and Qatar cover popular outrage in their homeland..? You should have seen what kind of intolerance the police of Northern Arabia show towards Dagestani Muslims during the Hajj... you see, we do not support their idea of ​​​​world jihad... The above “comrades”, in fact, are afraid of one thing, Real Islam. They are afraid because they (the ruling circles of the USA and England), and their minions all over the world, are the enemies of normal Humanity. They fear us more than other normal groups of humanity only because we, due to our ideological preparedness, are the most dangerous threat to anti-human forces.

Friends, know that Islam ends where oppression begins.

[Marek Rozny]

Throughout history, the Christian world has staged large and small military brawls throughout the planet, while forcibly forcing people to accept their religion. When a bunch of protest electorates accumulated in Europe, they were pushed to Asia to kill Muslims as part of the Crusades.
Do you know why the Egyptian Sphinx does not have a nose? It was Napoleon's Christian soldiers who had fun firing a cannon at this monument.
No matter what century in history, there are invasions of Christian armies into Muslim territories.
The Muslims invaded Spain, where they created practically a paradise on the occupied lands (at that time), and by the way, the first universities in Europe opened there. But the Christian monarchs staged a reconquista and completely killed everyone who lived in the Cordoba Caliphate, after which these lands again fell into the darkness of the Middle Ages. It should be noted that the local people themselves converted from Christianity to Islam, and when Christian armies invaded, former Christians who became Muslims chose to fight for Islam rather than return to the fold of Christianity.
Then the steppe Turks invaded Byzantium, crushed the Byzantines, set up their own state, which very quickly became Muslim (although the Turks themselves did not want this at all), but very quickly the Christians of the Ottoman Empire converted to Islam and turned into today's Turks. And they do not want to return to Christianity.
Muslims, coming to a country as conquerors, begin to treat it as their native land, trying to do something good in it. Christian conquerors in Muslim lands behave exclusively as robbers and temporary workers. This happened in the Middle Ages, it continues in the 21st century. This is what Christian Norwegians are doing in Afghanistan? You can’t imagine how much in the Muslim world of the Middle East and Afghanistan the image of a Christian has already become synonymous with an occupier and a robber.
Only respect for the Bible and Jesus stops radical Muslims from total destruction of Christian churches. It is a Christian who is capable of tearing up the Koran or drawing offensive pictures of Muhammad. It would never occur to a Muslim to urinate on the Bible or present Jesus Christ in an obscene manner.
It would seem that the Russians have nothing to do with it. But firstly, Russia never stopped other Christian countries from occupying Muslim lands, and secondly, Russia itself invaded Muslim lands and was actively converting foreigners to Christianity. Do you know how the Chuvash were converted to Orthodox? They drove the entire village into the river, baptized them en masse under one name (for example, Vasily Ivanovich) - and that’s it. Do you know where one of the most common Russian surnames - Smirnov - came from? Russian priests, with the support of the Russian army, after the conquest of all Finno-Ugric lands, also massively converted them to Orthodoxy, and they were routinely given the surname “Smirnov” in addition to new Orthodox names, since these Finno-Ugric peoples were now considered “pacified”, “peaceful” .
And now those Russians who don’t even know the history of their country are shouting that Islam is supposedly a religion of obscurantism and violence, that imams and mosques are completely breeding grounds for terrorism... I have a very calm attitude towards religion due to my Horde Kazakh origin. Moreover, formally being considered a Muslim, I understand that I am more a Tengrian than a Muslim. However, when they start writing smut about Islam, I’m already starting to get excited as a Muslim. Go easy on the topic of religions. Whoever wants to believe in anything, let him believe. It is not Islam that spoils Russia, but corruption, alcohol and callousness. They set you up to butt heads with Muslims, but you are happy to take the bait.

[AntonR7]

There is no need to flog the fever, Islam was spread by fire and sword, and paradise was not bred in the conquered lands, except for those converted by force. As soon as Islam was planted in blood on the Arabian Peninsula, 2 years after the death of Muhammad, the Arab conquests began (Arab Spring :)) and the lands where the Arabs came lost their historical culture and forcibly became Islamists.

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: AntonR7

Islam spread by fire and sword

On which Christian lands was Islam forcibly spread? The Arabs indeed forcibly implanted Islam, but among their own Arabs and during their advance through the “pagan” lands of Asia. In general, Islam prohibits forced Muslimization. At the same time, of course, it should be noted that prisoner of war a non-Christian was released if he converted to Islam. But this was a voluntary matter. Those People of the Book (Jews and Christians) who lived among Muslims calmly practiced their religion (but there were restrictions on the publicity of rituals and the recruitment of Muslims into their religion).
Blaming the Arabs for forcibly converting their relatives to Islam is the same as scolding Orthodoxy, which was forcibly implanted by the Russians among the Russians, starting with the Rurikovichs and ending with Nikon.
Muslims of non-Arab origin did not lose their culture with the adoption of Islam. It may be that for you there is no difference in the culture of an Arab, an Iranian, an Uzbek or a Malaysian, but for me these are very different cultures. Just like you distinguish between Christian German, Latin American or Russian culture.
Moreover, not only the culture of Muslim peoples is different, but Islam itself has differences in different Muslim countries (despite the thesis that “Islam is one”). Those who are usually called Islamists in Russia are called Salafis/Wahhabis in our country. This is a radical branch of Islam (the state religion of Saudi Arabia), it is unpopular among the majority of Muslim peoples who belong to other branches of Islam. To mix everything together, it’s the same as if now in Kazakhstan they will start throwing a barrel at the Huguenots and at the same time suspect Russian Orthodox priests of being Huguenots (“What? These are Christians! So what’s the difference!”)

[stranik72]

The story as you present it looks one-sided and I would even say biased; we are not talking here about Christianity in general, but about Orthodoxy, which has nothing to do with many of the actions of one of the directions of Christianity. About Russia, and 300 years under the yoke, of course, this doesn’t count, but about the pagans, too, it’s not necessary. Otherwise, you can also remember about the Khazar Khaganate and who paid whom and who ruled there. There is no war of civilizations, there is a war of capital, for resources and for power over the world, and under what slogans to do this, this is the 10th matter, everything was a war with infidels and a war with the Bolsheviks and for democracy, but at the core the desire of some to become richer at the expense of others, that's all.

[northwest]

You turned everything upside down, exactly as the media bought by Qatar and imams in mosques say. Try to pick up books, maybe then everything will fall into place.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Marek Rozny

Throughout history, the Christian world has staged large and small military brawls all over the planet.

Is it now the Muslim turn?

[Revolver]

And here in America the following bumper stickers are still popular: “All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11/2001.” For those who do not speak the language: “I learned everything I need to know about Islam on 11/9/2001.” Nearby they usually put “9/11: never forgive, never forget” (11/9 - I will never forget, I will never forgive) and the silhouette of the towers. And it doesn’t matter that first Bush, and then Obama, never missed an opportunity to declare that “Islam is a religion of peace.”

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: Nagan

And here in America the following bumper stickers are still popular: “All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11/2001.”

Can u explain me why Americans have been meddled into Muslim countries before 9/11? They are just invaders, aren't they? America got its just deserts.

[Revolver]

1. It seemed to me that this forum was Russian-language. At least out of basic respect for other participants, please express yourself in Russian, or at least provide a translation if you can’t do without English. And if you use English, then at least learn how to construct sentences, otherwise it’s about like the Russian language among the Central Asians who sold apricots and melons in the markets in Leningrad - like “mine, don’t understand yours.”
2.

Quote: Marek Rozny

...why Americans have been meddled into Muslim countries before 9/11?

Since you were too lazy to translate, I will do it: “why did the Americans interfere in Muslim countries before 9/11?”
Indeed, before 9/11, America got involved in the affairs of Muslims. It liberated Kuwait - seemingly a thoroughly Islamic and almost Wahhabi country - from Saddam’s army. Saved Bosnian Muslims from the Serbs by bombing the latter. Then she saved the Albanians of Kosovo - also Muslims - from the same Serbs and in the same way (by the way, the bombing of the Serbs is the only military action of America when I was ashamed of it, but that’s another topic). By the way, I helped the Afghan dushmans, who also seemed to be Muslims, against the USSR (at that time I was not ashamed of America because I lived in the Union, but rather it’s unclear how America could do such a stupid thing to help these creatures - after all, it’s clear that they are scum and hate America no less than Union). And they entered Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11.

[Revolver]

1. It seemed to me that this forum was Russian-language. At least out of basic respect for other participants, please express yourself in Russian, or at least provide a translation if you can’t do without English. And if you use English, then at least learn how to construct sentences, otherwise it’s about like the Russian language among the Central Asians who sold apricots and melons in the markets in Leningrad - like “mine, don’t understand yours.”
2.

Quote: Marek Rozny

...why Americans have been meddled into Muslim countries before 9/11?

Since you were too lazy to translate, I will do it: “why did the Americans interfere in Muslim countries before 9/11?”
Indeed, before 9/11, America got involved in the affairs of Muslims. It liberated Kuwait - seemingly a thoroughly Islamic and almost Wahhabi country - from Saddam’s army. Saved Bosnian Muslims from the Serbs by bombing the latter. Then she saved the Albanians of Kosovo - also Muslims - from the same Serbs and in the same way (by the way, the bombing of the Serbs is the only military action of America when I was ashamed of it, but that’s another topic). By the way, I helped the Afghan dushmans, who also seemed to be Muslims, against the USSR (at that time I was not ashamed of America because I lived in the Union, but rather it’s unclear how America could do such a stupid thing to help these creatures - after all, it’s clear that they are scum and hate America no less than Union). And they entered Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11.

[Mercenary]

I remember in the year 93 the Don Cossacks asked Yeltsin to give the Cossacks weapons because they have always guarded the southern borders of Russia with faith and truth. The president was afraid for his seat and would have given weapons, more than one bastard did not allow himself to steal livestock or offend local residents. impunity gave rise to arrogance and permissiveness among Caucasians. they forgot who was the master of the south of Russia under the Tsar Father. Give the Cossacks weapons and the right to use them to threaten their lives. in 5 years. The Caucasus and Volga region will become the most peaceful and loyal to Russia.

[zinander]

Quote: dc120mm

Radical Islam is becoming stronger all over the world. DANGEROUS ! ! !

The Orthodox need to unite!

Only now your rulers are all wagging their tails towards the American owner... what kind of unification is that...

[AntonR7]

It all starts with the fact that the leader of the country says (Putin): “Russia is not for Russians,” you can see this on YouTube, so migrant workers and guests from the Caucasus are rioting, that’s when we will argue like Alexander 3 that Russia is for Russians and in Russian , then the migration problem will disappear. After all, moderate nationalism is still good - the prosperity of one’s own people is not to the detriment or expense of other nations.

[RUkola]

Quote: optimist

And now, damn it, they realized it

Yeah, well, this is where the signs of “catching up” are.

[shamil]

Military bases in the former republics of the USSR are one of the conditions for the free entry into Russia of citizens of these republics of Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan to work. They have filled the Khanty-Mansiysk district. According to Russians from the Caucasus, there are many Wahhabis among them. They visit mosques
Ideas are promoted. Uzbeks can be expelled from the country before they take root; Russia has not used the base since 2012. Uzbekistan left the CSTO

[RUkola]

Only the blind or deaf is not clear that the Caucasians (and guest workers to a lesser extent) are Putin’s personal guard, any mass protest against his treacherous regime will be instantly presented by the corrupt media as a “nationalist sabbath”, and here is a reason to introduce a regional riot police into Moscow from the northern Caucasus. After all, riot police and explosives from the Russian regions will not shoot or act harshly against their own, but the Caucasians are for their sweet souls. If it is possible to involve guest workers, but it is more difficult with them, they have no special complaints against us, and even against Putin they don’t care, he personally doesn’t give them anything (unlike Chechnya)

[RUkola]

Quote: shamil

Military bases in the former republics of the USSR are one of the conditions for free entry into Russia of citizens of these republics

Why do we need these bases there?
Fighting narcosis? Well, it’s funny, there is a base in Tajikistan and it somehow helps
Protect from the Taliban and Wahhabis? These countries are independent, let them protect themselves, if a visa regime is introduced with them, then no Wahhabis will penetrate into the Russian Federation, and besides, they themselves admit that their youth are picking up all these ideas on our territory
Yes, the minority already understands everything, only the majority sits and doesn’t scratch their turnips, or, like the military, they were bought with an election handout in the form of a salary increase, of course, where is Russia, because you need to have time to get a car on credit

[shamil]

military bases are needed for many reasons. It’s a pity they left Vietnam in 2002. would have abandoned the base in Syria now would have no influence there

[RUkola]

By the way, today at a meeting with his security ministers, he once again engaged in verbiage, and said from his filthy mouth for the thousandth time that “Migrants must know the Russian language and observe traditions and laws.” Well, is it real or pretending, to whom did he say this? To their ministers - are they migrants? Those to whom these words were allegedly addressed simply will not understand what he is saying, and they do not watch TV. Well, they don’t want to observe any laws and traditions, so when they cut off his head, he will also talk such nonsense. What kind of laws can we talk about if they violate it from the very first second, as soon as they become illegal immigrants (and these are the majority)

[razved]

it is clear that the author has a good understanding of the topic!!!

[I think so]

The main threat to Russia is not “radical Islam”, but FOOLS IN THE HIGH ECHELONS OF POWER... All other threats are not worth a damn...

[Rediska]

Comrades! According to the census in the 19th century, 50% Russians lived in Russia =)

[poquello]

It is necessary to intensify anti-terrorism activities on foreign territory, so that there is no place to sit out and put pressure on sponsors and exporters. Adopt the law “On Russia’s actions on the territory of other countries in order to eliminate the terrorist threat in Russia.”
The Poles are great. A goat from the “Caucasian Emirate” was detained.
""The detainee was traveling from Austria, through the Czech Republic and Poland, planning to further cross Ukraine and get to the Caucasus. A thousand fuses, about 300 ammunition and three sniper rifles were found on him," the prosecutor added. "This goat lived in Austria, no matter what Let's look again.

[Jedi]

when we Russians are told that the Chinese, Tajiks and others......... work better and faster than us and for a lower salary, therefore it is more profitable to hire them, then I would like to object: the president and the government are also hired by the people work! and I, as a representative of the Russian people and part of them, am confident that those hired for 4-5 years abroad (in China, Singapore, etc.) by announcement, the president and cabinet of ministers will work more honestly and efficiently than our current ones, and for a lower salary. On what basis did the ruling class allow the indigenous people to compete with the Gasters, but not themselves?

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: Jedi

and other Chuchmeks

Do you think this is a normal expression? And phrases, for example, ....... or ......... Doesn't it hurt your ears? I think it cuts. Therefore, before you throw around offensive words of an ethnic nature, please think.
And who do you work if a migrant worker competes with you? Pardon me, but maybe then it would be better for you to improve your own qualifications? I don’t understand the logic of people who are fighting for his fellow tribesmen to work as janitors and laborers. It seems that these are the main niches of ghasts in Russia. Or do ghasts in Russia work as teachers, doctors, middle and senior managers?
I have repeatedly spoken about the example of Kazakhstan, where there are more guest workers per capita than in Russia. But Kazakhstanis are not outraged by this. We have different professional niches. Kazakhstanis work in areas where they pay more and where higher qualifications or a degree of responsibility are required. The more Russians in Russia will be engaged in more prestigious work (and, accordingly, the less Russians will work as low-paid labor), the better for the Russians themselves. I am wrong?

[Yarbay]

Quote: Marek Rozny

I have repeatedly spoken about the example of Kazakhstan, where there are more guest workers per capita than in Russia. But Kazakhstanis are not outraged by this.

This is the first time, dear Marek, after a long break that I disagree with you))))))
not Kazakhs, but KAZAKHS!
Because quite recently, a respected citizen of your republic, in my opinion Russian, with a cat on her avatar, was very indignant at the guest workers in Kazakhstan, especially the citizens of my republic)))))))))
Do you really have guest workers from Azerbaijan?? And there are so many of them?

[Yarbay]

Quote: Jedi

According to the announcement, the President and the Cabinet of Ministers will work more honestly and efficiently than our current ones, and for a lower salary. On what basis did the ruling class allow the indigenous people to compete with the Gasters, but not themselves?

What a very interesting proposal))))
and where do you work that you can’t compete with respected guest workers?)))

[Savva30]

"The Russian authorities have already begun to recognize this problem, but the measures taken are absolutely insufficient to solve this issue." The word “already” scares me; it’s the same as “it seems.” And when you think you know what to do...
The expert proposed ending the practice of patronizing Islamism at the top, radically changing migration policy and ensuring an end to discrimination against Russians in the national republics of the Russian Federation. Urgent measures are needed to strengthen the ethnic core of Russia – the Russians.
I'm ready to vote for this expert. I am glad that there are sane people under the rulers.
In order to resolve the real issue, first of all, it is necessary to prohibit bureaucrats from licking guests and minorities, they are so successful in this matter that they can write manuals... Secondly, it is necessary to stop “buying” “imaginary security”, through providing minorities and guests with parliamentary seats, business areas, etc. They accept this as a tribute from the “weak and poor in spirit.” Thirdly, it’s time to really implement the president’s words regarding terrorists and extremists, i.e. "wet them in the toilet"...

[newcomer]

Quote: Marek Rozny

for example, “Russian pig” or “Slavic snout” to your ear

If, for example, I go to ....... to work, and the locals call me ........., then I will be offended, leave for my homeland and will not go to them again. and with this (as was written above -.....) relieve even a small need in your eyes, (and even a big one too) - they will not leave, they will also bring a bunch of relatives here... and also - if they are so handy, hardworking and hard-working “janitors-unskilled workers”, then why don’t they want to make a flourishing garden city like Hong Kong, Taiwan or Singapore from their small country (Uzbekistan or Tajikistan...)? but instead, they come here in droves to benefit us...

[Apollo]

I ask for the attention of visitors Jedi, Marek Rozny и newcomer in your comments I saw words that are not acceptable on the forum. Carefully re-read your comments where I made the edits. In the future, do not use the words I deleted in your comments, there will be no more edits, for the simple reason that they contradict the rules of VO and, accordingly comments will be deleted entirely with all ensuing consequences.

[Yarbay]

Quote: newbie

but instead, they come here in droves to benefit us...

altruists, they want to help you)))))))))
good neighbors)))))

[Jedi]

ok, I won’t use it... as an excuse, I can say that I didn’t invent these “expressions” myself, but quoted other visitors.

[Svyatoslav72]

War of civilizations consists of racial-ethnic and religious-class differences and opposites. There is nothing new there, this is an inevitable process that prevents the “Dominant Species” from rotting and decaying. As soon as a “emptiness appears” it is inevitably filled, as soon as a “critical mass” is reached it changes space (the world). You have to be an obvious stupid person@m and go@t@m not to understand the simple model of the world order (which is not uncommon, it occurs regularly and everywhere). Shouts: - Help!; - What to do?; - Save!; - What to do? usually lead to nothing. Power remains deaf, blind, silent and stupid until it is destroyed, or it is repainted under external influence.
All other thought methods and “templates” are located behind the “safety” sign and article “inciting ethnic and religious hatred” (a very primitive and naive attempt to hide from the obvious and inevitable).