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American hydrogen drone learns to detect missiles

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American hydrogen drone learns to detect missilesThe US aircraft manufacturing concern Boeing received a contract from the United States Missile Defense Agency (MDA) to test a special payload on the Phantom Eye advanced hydrogen unmanned aerial vehicle. As reported by Flightglobal, the amount of the transaction amounted to 6,8 million dollars. What kind of payload in question is not specified. Presumably, these could be systems for detecting various types of missiles.


The first flight of a hydrogen-powered drone took place on 1 June 2012 of the year. To date, the unit has completed three test flights and is currently preparing for the fourth. According to Boeing, MDA equipment will be installed on the Phantom Eye and tested during the fifth flight, which will take place before the end of 2013 of the year. In total, the drone during the test program must perform eight to nine flights.

Phantom Eye is the first of its kind unmanned vehicle operating on liquefied hydrogen. The wingspan of the drone is 45,72 meter. Phantom Eye is capable of flying at altitudes up to 19,8 thousands of meters and reach speeds of up to 278 kilometers per hour. A drone can take on a payload with a total weight of up to 204 kilograms. According to Boeing, several departments are interested in this development.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 9 June 2013 18: 42 New
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    American hydrogen drone learns to detect missiles
    Hydrogen - I wonder if something is wrong - will burst into atoms ... Although the direction is promising, it's time for us to "blow off the dust" from Soviet projects ...
    1. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 9 June 2013 22: 30 New
      +3
      all these technical tricks for one purpose only - to increase the flight duration to 4 days.
      it is a lot!
      In addition, the designers of the Phantom Eye embodied in it the concept of HALE (high altitude, long endurance), which implies the ability of an aircraft to cover impressive distances without refueling and to operate effectively at high altitudes. The Phantom Eye can be in the air for 4 days, carrying out continuous aerial reconnaissance, and the practical ceiling (flight altitude) is 20 kilometers.

      Source: http://joy4mind.com/?p=9817#ixzz2VkGyKoL2

    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 9 June 2013 23: 39 New
      +2
      Where is our intelligence looking? The KGB would have known all the secrets for a long time ... You cannot sleep in this troubled time!
  2. sashka
    sashka 9 June 2013 18: 48 New
    +9
    This is the opportunity to print money and live on credit. How much you need and spend. The process is going on. Enviously ..
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 9 June 2013 20: 58 New
      +1
      there is such an opportunity to print, as long as there are a large number of people who pray for the dollar (for example, for currency goods)
  3. sergey32
    sergey32 9 June 2013 18: 48 New
    +5
    I don’t understand why they need liquefied hydrogen on a drone. Are you rooting for ecology? The fuel tank must maintain low temperatures, reducing the payload. Where are they going to take hydrogen in the war?
    1. svp67
      svp67 9 June 2013 18: 51 New
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      Quote: sergey32
      The fuel tank must maintain low temperatures.
      It is necessary to see what the ceiling of this machine is, perhaps they use the "outboard resource"
      Quote: sergey32
      Where are they going to take hydrogen in the war?
      From the rocket depots ...
      1. Melchakov
        Melchakov 9 June 2013 18: 57 New
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        Quote: svp67
        From the rocket depots ...

        Haha
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 9 June 2013 19: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        It is necessary to see what the ceiling of this machine is, perhaps they use the "outboard resource"

        That's the trick is that hydrogen is in cylinders, and ramjet engines are still being developed.
        They are still very far away!
    2. Gooch
      Gooch 9 June 2013 19: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: sergey32
      Where are they going to take hydrogen in the war?

      What are the Meyer Cells heard? They can be piled in artisanal conditions, in the end you will only need water and electricity, agree this approach is more effective?
      1. sergey32
        sergey32 9 June 2013 19: 23 New
        +3
        Stanley Meyer has claimed to have built a buggy that runs on water instead of gasoline [10], although he has given conflicting explanations regarding its mode of operation. In some cases, he claimed to have replaced spark plugs with "water splitters", in others, that he used a "fuel cell" that separates water into hydrogen and oxygen [11]. In this "fuel cell", according to the author, due to electrical resonance (Eng.) From the water was obtained detonating gas, which was burned in a conventional internal combustion engine to obtain clean energy. Meyer's allegations were not independently confirmed and was found guilty of "blatant fraud" by an Ohio court
        This is from Wikipedia.
        1. ICT
          ICT 9 June 2013 19: 47 New
          +2
          Sam worked in Kharkov on a hydrogen taxi. In those years, gas was free of charge and I (which I am now very sorry) did not delve into the technical details of the hydrogen unit installed in the car. We were refueled around the clock in one place, the Road Institute. It was inconvenient to go from a remote place to a gas station when gas stations were everywhere around. I didn’t even ask what kind of hydrogen (liquefied or compressed) we were charged with. When, after half a year, these installations were removed, their fate ceased to interest me. I stopped remembering them. And now, when gasoline in Ukraine 1,5 dolar I really regret it. Under Soviet reality, they could be bought inexpensively. But then it was irrelevant.

          - Nicholas · Nov 13, 10: 12


          this is a quote from one of the self-made sites, and if you watch the movie below in the commentary, we’ll see a Muscovite riding on water. (How much it is economically beneficial, and especially since I will not say anything for the principle)
        2. Gooch
          Gooch 9 June 2013 21: 28 New
          +2
          The Hydrogen Generator actually works due to electrolysis, and the splitting of water into hydrogen and oxygen, there is nothing supernatural in this, such an installation - a generator, can be assembled even in a garage with only water and electricity.
          Hydrogen Generator:

          We still had something like that in school, experiments were carried out. Schemes built.

          At school I was fond of such a thing as Andruino microcontrollers, based on them I made similar devices to maintain temperature and pressure in a "mini greenhouse", I even grew 1 lemon on the balcony, in winter lol and then somehow forgot it, the controller is still lying around)
          1. w.ebdo.g
            w.ebdo.g 9 June 2013 23: 00 New
            +2
            At school I was fond of such a thing as Andruino microcontrollers, based on them I made similar devices to maintain the temperature and pressure in the "mini greenhouse", I even grew 1 lemon on the balcony, in winter lol and then somehow forgot it, the controller is still lying around )


            more people like you.
            then science will move forward soon ...
            1. Gooch
              Gooch 10 June 2013 07: 17 New
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              Quote: w.ebdo.g
              more people like you.
              then science will move forward soon ...

              This is the simplest thing you can do on this controller, there are more complicated things if you invest a little money and put together a team of less or less fooling people :)


              And it can be assembled on the knee !! Having basic C ++ skills, the controller itself that manages the management looks like this:

              In max. a complete set costs 7 thousand, about 2 years ago I ordered from Italy, then it cost about that much, right now it can be cheaper, in general, at least right now, do your own drone! )
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 9 June 2013 20: 50 New
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        Quote: Gooch
        What are the Meyer Cells heard? They can be piled in artisanal conditions, in the end you will only need water and electricity, agree this approach is more effective?

        If everything was so simple with these cells, we would all drive on hydrogen cars on the roads.
        1. Gooch
          Gooch 10 June 2013 06: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: APASUS
          If everything was so simple with these cells, we would all drive on hydrogen cars on the roads.

          it’s just that gas and ethanol have many times more prospects than hydrogen, hydrogen is more expensive to use and the equipment and transport on it are now incomparably expensive.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 11 June 2013 21: 23 New
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            Quote: Gooch
            it’s just that gas and ethanol have many times more prospects than hydrogen, hydrogen is more expensive to use and the equipment and transport on it are now incomparably expensive.

            Hydrogen is the perfect fuel! At the moment there is no technology for cheap gas production from water.
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 9 June 2013 20: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: sergey32
      I don’t understand why they need liquefied hydrogen on a drone.

      reduced level of thermal signature and noise of the aircraft.
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 9 June 2013 21: 03 New
        +2
        the glider is generally perfect
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 9 June 2013 21: 08 New
          +3
          Quote: fisherman
          the glider is generally perfect



          Right
    4. sub307
      sub307 9 June 2013 21: 28 New
      -1
      I also think something like this:
      - fuel is far from the cheapest;
      - Specificity in storage, fueling, generally in operation;
      What such preferences does liquefied hydrogen give for THIS drone compared to other options? Although, as the saying goes: "the giraffe is big - he knows better," not from the "bay-flounder" probably "came" to THIS, I suppose they experimented.
      Well, yes, "a reduced level of thermal signature and aircraft noise" is quite possible, just from these considerations, given the intended use.
  4. ICT
    ICT 9 June 2013 19: 00 New
    +4
    Quote: svp67
    "blow off the dust" from Soviet projects


    and there’s nothing to blow away everything on the surface
    1. svp67
      svp67 9 June 2013 19: 05 New
      +6
      Quote: TIT
      and there’s nothing to blow away everything on the surface

      But there was also Tu155
    2. pakfa-t-50
      pakfa-t-50 9 June 2013 20: 04 New
      -1
      DIFFICULTY THE SAME WAS OUR GRANDFATES AND GRANDS THANKS FOR THAT WE ARE LIVING NOW
    3. pakfa-t-50
      pakfa-t-50 9 June 2013 20: 17 New
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      WE ALSO NEED A HYDROGEN ENGINE IT IS NECESSARY TO ALWAYS LIFT THE ARCHIVES AND MODERNIZE ALL WAYS NOW ALREADY 2013
  5. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 9 June 2013 19: 48 New
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    What are the performance characteristics of this drone. What is the difference from existing prototypes?
    1. ICT
      ICT 9 June 2013 19: 53 New
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      http://topwar.ru/15127-pervyy-polet-samogo-bolshogo-v-mire-bpla.html
      there was an article, (use the search on the site there are a couple more articles)
  6. Pilot200809
    Pilot200809 9 June 2013 19: 52 New
    +1
    If it is not knocked down earlier, a discovered rocket.
  7. pakfa-t-50
    pakfa-t-50 9 June 2013 20: 00 New
    -4
    MAYBE IT'S BLINDING WHERE ANYWHERE OVER WASHINGTON
  8. andrei332809
    andrei332809 9 June 2013 20: 07 New
    -1
    I wonder where they plan to use? countries with serious missiles once or twice and miscalculated. Maybe we won’t need to produce targets for air defense? Will they train for a real goal?
  9. PValery53
    PValery53 9 June 2013 20: 15 New
    -1
    Something our "harness" for a long time - from the time of the blockade to the present day. During this time, the entire car fleet of the country can be converted to hydrogen, and not poison people with lead exhaust ... Probably, we must wait for the moment when the roasted rooster bites ...
    1. vadson
      vadson 9 June 2013 22: 11 New
      +1
      you have to wait until people don’t need money and companies stop pumping hydrocarbons from underground
  10. shurup
    shurup 9 June 2013 20: 19 New
    +2
    It remains to develop a UAV with a nuclear engine devoid of bioprotection and using a counter flow as a working fluid. Perhaps it will be an airship. An additional solar-powered gadget will fly until it decays. Shooting this unit over its territory is not recommended.
  11. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 9 June 2013 20: 22 New
    +3
    The topic sounds interesting ... but how real is it? We have already hit the dead-end development of technological developments several times. For the first time, the Americans promoted us to the construction of semiconductor factories. We started building 28 large factories, and at that time they were building factories for the production of microcircuits ... and galloped far ahead from us. Similarly, it happened with "Star Wars" ... Our developments were on this topic ... but disappeared into oblivion ... maybe you shouldn't say "wi-wai .. oh oh! .. oh ... yo-yo!" , and calmly look at our calculations correctly assess both the pros and cons, and the prospects of this topic.
  12. uzer 13
    uzer 13 9 June 2013 20: 27 New
    +3
    I immediately recall U-2, very similar, only without a pilot. Hydrogen was chosen, apparently as a more high-calorie fuel with the prospect of expanding the radius of the apparatus. It is possible that the temperature of the exhaust gases can be reduced for the sake of stealth. In addition, they are water vapor, smoke is completely absent. No problem with hydrogen fuel is foreseen. This aircraft was not made for war, but rather for hidden reconnaissance raids over interesting territories.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 9 June 2013 20: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: uzer 13
      It is possible that the temperature of the exhaust gases can be reduced for the sake of stealth.

      compactness, light weight, low process temperature. When it is burned, three times more energy is released than when a similar amount of gasoline is burned
  13. crambol
    crambol 9 June 2013 20: 33 New
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    Or maybe the use of hydrogen is associated with less impact on the detection sensors? Anyone have any thoughts?
    Again, a strange set - a working height of 20 km and a speed with a fig soul - less than three hundred.
    All this is strange. Maybe just an experiment to develop a hydrogen engine?
    1. svp67
      svp67 9 June 2013 20: 35 New
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      Quote: crambol
      Or maybe the use of hydrogen is associated with less impact on the detection sensors? Anyone have any thoughts?

      We'll have to reprogram the sensors for "ice" and for the release of water vapor ... winked
  14. individual
    individual 9 June 2013 20: 50 New
    +1
    American hydrogen drone learns find rockets.
    The enemy does not sleep.
    Interested in what discovers NANOCHubais and Vekselberg Prize Issuing Ground Skolkovo?
    1. svp67
      svp67 9 June 2013 20: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: individ
      what does NANOCHubais and the Vekselberg Skolkovo Prize Test Site reveal?
      A new way to "cut" ...
      1. Gooch
        Gooch 9 June 2013 21: 17 New
        +2
        The latest radar from Skolkovo, it was spent 100500 million dollars to develop those. tasks, another over 9000 million for design, and the final option to go to the last stage, go through state. tests, on the basis of which a decision will be made on the adoption of this radar for combat duty as part of the air defense system of the Russian Federation. According to the information agency NanoSkolkovoChubais.NET
    2. poquello
      poquello 10 June 2013 00: 04 New
      +1
      “I’m wondering what NANOCHubais and the Vekselberg Skolkovo Prize Test Site are discovering?”

      "Optolux-E27" with a diameter of 66mm - enemies are afraid
  15. myfutureamerica. org
    myfutureamerica. org 9 June 2013 21: 40 New
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    Hydrogen is used in the Fuel cell - an electrochemical device similar to a galvanic cell, but different from it in that substances for the electrochemical reaction are supplied to it from the outside [1] - in contrast to the limited amount of energy stored in a galvanic cell or battery.

    Fuel cells convert the chemical energy of fuel into electricity, bypassing the inefficient, going with great losses, combustion processes. This electrochemical device, as a result of highly efficient “cold” combustion of fuel, directly generates electricity. (Wikipedia)
    1. ICT
      ICT 9 June 2013 22: 09 New
      +1
      the effect is known, almost from the time of alchemy :), but so far it’s not possible to bring it to cost-effective installations, even the leaders of the automotive industry
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 9 June 2013 23: 53 New
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        that is why they will not fight for hydrogen ...

        however, as well as for shale gas :)
  16. myfutureamerica. org
    myfutureamerica. org 9 June 2013 21: 47 New
    +1
    The bezpelotnik uses hydrogen to generate electricity and it feeds electric motors, it can barge for a very long time!
    1. ICT
      ICT 9 June 2013 22: 03 New
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      Quote: myfutureamerica. org
      The bezpelotnik uses hydrogen to generate electricity and it feeds electric motors, it can barge for a very long time!


      IF ABOUT THIS DEVICE WOULD IT BE HERE THAT
      wing - 46 meters;
      - power - two 4 cylinder engines;
      - engine capacity in 2.3 liters;

      - total engine power 300 HP;
      - High-altitude ceiling - 20 kilometers;
  17. AK-47
    AK-47 9 June 2013 22: 02 New
    +1
    ... the drone took off from the US Air Force Edwards Air Force Base ... the hydrogen drone took off to a height of 1243 meters and stayed in the air for 28 minutes ... when landing the drone’s landing gear it got stuck in the ground and broke ... during the next flight Phantom Eye will be tested for its ability to stay in the air for four days without refueling and offline ... the product of its engines is ordinary water ...
    1. poquello
      poquello 9 June 2013 23: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: AK-47
      ... the drone took off from the US Air Force Edwards Air Force Base ... the hydrogen drone took off to a height of 1243 meters and stayed in the air for 28 minutes ... when landing the drone’s landing gear it got stuck in the ground and broke ... during the next flight Phantom Eye will be tested for its ability to stay in the air for four days without refueling and offline ... the product of its engines is ordinary water ...


      That is, it is almost self-sufficient.
  18. cartridge
    cartridge 10 June 2013 00: 47 New
    +1
    I wonder why nothing is heard about guided unmanned airships? Does anyone create them or not in the world and in Russia? For at least the length of time in the air, such a reconnaissance vehicle could be a worthy alternative to classic drones. In places where there is no opposition from enemy air defense and aviation, such as the North Caucasus, it would be just great - cheap and cheerful.
  19. Revolver
    Revolver 10 June 2013 03: 21 New
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    Carrying capacity of 204 kg is 4 pieces of Hellfire (45.4 kg of weight in each). Hello to the Taliban, al-Qaeda, and other souls. wink
  20. afire
    afire 10 June 2013 05: 36 New
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    US Marines have been deployed to the Syrian border. Iranian PressTV reports on the deployment of US Marine Corps units to the Syrian-Jordanian border. According to the agency, 1000 US infantry from Expeditionary Force 26 arrived in the Jordanian port of Aqaba early last week. The Americans "under a strong Jordanian escort" were transferred to the border with Syria. Washington and Amman refuse to comment on reports on the number and activities of the US military in the kingdom.
  21. runway
    runway 10 June 2013 10: 33 New
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    The key information in this article, of course, is that the drone runs on hydrogen. Not loading it with fuel, but getting water from condensate at high altitudes, you can ultimately achieve many years of flight of such devices .... Oh, how!
  22. Totalanigila
    Totalanigila 10 June 2013 19: 08 New
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    To get hydrogen and oxygen from water, you need to spend as much energy as you get from burning hydrogen in oxygen, plus the efficiency of the installation. Oh how.
    And if you already found so much energy in the sky to do this, think about whether it would be easier to rotate the engines directly, bypassing chemical transformations?