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Turkish version: Does Ukraine face a riot?

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Turkish version: Does Ukraine face a riot?



The population of Ukraine has been in a state of apathy for several years now. Although at first glance it may seem that this is not so, because some segments of the population are very aggressive in expressing their displeasure with the authorities. However, the majority of Ukrainians have high hopes for the presidential elections to be held in 2015 year. But the government, instead of approaching the election campaign fully armed and earning points, not only does not address the most pressing social issues, but also appears to have taken a course on unpopular and more stringent measures, hoping that help force will be able to keep the situation under control.

Among such unpopular measures, first of all, we can mention the increase in prices for utilities (gas and electricity), the abolition of tax benefits and the increase in tax rates for private entrepreneurship, the establishment of control over the payment of 15-interest tax on remittances (i.e., money, which Ukrainians working abroad send to their relatives in Ukraine), the introduction of taxes on the sale of home appliances and mobile phones and holidays abroad.

All these innovations can not please, and even more so to satisfy ordinary Ukrainians. In addition, the Ukrainian parliament last week failed to vote for bills on the abolition of privileges for deputies and government officials, and the denunciation of documents that make it possible to transfer Ukrainian capital abroad without paying taxes. Voting was initiated by opposition forces.

This behavior of the authorities is due, according to analysts, several main reasons. So, for example, according to Igor Zhdanov, the head of the Open Policy analytical center, the authorities are trying to replenish the treasury by all means, but the final result is that this is not due to the most affluent population, but due to ordinary citizens, who already barely have enough money to make ends meet. There is practically no small business in the country, but for that small number of entrepreneurs who still managed to keep afloat, the government is preparing new taxes. Thus, according to the expert, sooner or later we can expect that the people will not survive and an explosion will occur.

The worst thing in this whole situation is that the Ukrainian government does not want or pretends that it does not see how things are actually in society, what problems exist in it. So, in particular, the head of state V. Yanukovych, who said that the worst times for the Ukrainian economy are in the past, was recently noted. Another striking example is the document that is currently being prepared by the government - a forecast of the country's social and economic development for the year 2014. According to this document, from next year the Ukrainian economy will enter a phase of active growth. And this is at a time when international financial institutions (the IMF and the World Bank) say that the Ukrainian figures for the current year have deteriorated significantly. According to the director of economic programs of the Center named after Razumkov V.Urchishin, international observers are more likely to be right in this issue than Ukrainian specialists. Expert confidence is based on the following facts: over the past few years, GDP growth in Ukraine has been close to zero, and the situation in foreign markets, to put it mildly, is not very favorable for the country. In addition, you can not count on the influx of foreign investment, which was spoken about by the government, because investors always prefer to wait a little on the eve of the elections so as not to lose.

The Ukrainian population is also in a state of expectation, hoping that after the 2015 elections, the situation in the country will change for the better. This is evidenced by the results of numerous surveys, which are periodically held on the territory of Ukraine. According to the results obtained, for three-quarters of Ukrainians, the reduction of the property gap between the social strata is of primary importance; half of the country's residents are convinced of the need for change in the system of power.

At the same time, experts note that if the Ukrainian authorities hope that after the elections they succeed in suppressing possible protests by force, then they are mistaken. The fact is that the population of the country has ceased to trust not only the authorities, the opposition forces and the judicial system, but also representatives of law enforcement agencies. This is also evidenced by survey data. So, according to them, more than 30 percent of the population do not trust the police at all, about 35 percent - they trust, but not always, almost a quarter of the residents could not decide on the answer and only the 1 percent of the country’s citizens trust the police. According to experts, in such a situation it makes sense to talk about a complete lack of confidence in the state. And this, in turn, may indicate that if a rebellion breaks out in the country, it will be of a bloody nature.

At the same time, most experts believe that the Turkish scenario cannot be repeated in Ukraine. Thus, according to Vladimir Kornilov, a political scientist and director of a branch of the Institute of CIS Countries in Ukraine, the Ukrainian population is increasingly plunging into political apathy. After all the expectations that arose during the so-called “Orange Revolution” were broken, the Ukrainians no longer want to speak either for or against anyone. At the same time, there are more people in the country who want to rally, rebel, hold protest rallies (compared to 2004). Kornilov notes that certain political forces in the state are definitely preparing to repeat the Turkish, Egyptian, Syrian or Libyan scenarios. This, in particular, nationalists and liberal democratic forces, who spread rumors that part of the Ukrainian population is ready to repeat the "feat" of the Turks, actively supporting the rally in Turkey, even though the Communists were the initiators of all the speeches. At the same time, we should not forget that one “color revolution” has recently passed in Ukraine, and world experience suggests that it is almost impossible to spend the second such less than 10-15 years.

According to one of the leading representatives of the Party of Regions, Mikhail Chechetov, his party will do everything possible to prevent a new revolution. In one of his interviews, the politician said that the government completely controls the situation in Ukraine, as evidenced by the unsuccessful protests organized by opposition forces.

Of course, the government still manages to keep the situation under control, but here it must also be borne in mind that while it implements its new technical projects, the opposition can turn into a real force capable of raising the people and taking it to the streets ( but this is only theoretically).

There is one more, no less significant reason that the Turkish version in Ukraine will not be repeated. These are the people themselves. And the matter here is not at all in religion, and not in the fact that there are no trade unions in Ukraine or the population has no experience of strikes and rallies. At a time when people in Turkey believed in themselves, ordinary citizens were able to rise, unite secular and religious leaders, Turks and Kurds, left and right in protests against park development, provide free medical and legal assistance, help with food, in Ukraine still believe in leaders and leaders. In addition, there is a great doubt that there are still people in the country who are ready for nothing, completely free to help others, to unite in a peaceful protest? Unfortunately, as practice shows, there are almost no such people left, and most of the protesters defend someone’s interests almost always for money. A vivid example of this is the events of the Orange Revolution, when people stood on the Maidan, getting a good salary increase, because they believed the person, and not their principles.

The Turks, on the contrary, do not rally for the redistribution of power, they want to respect themselves, and most of Europe respects them. And the Ukrainians, too ...

Paradoxically, even under the conditions when millions of Turks are protesting, their country is not on the verge. It is rather Ukraine on the verge, because it cannot unite even for the sake of what is important for ordinary people. And as long as the country, even if the majority of the population, thinks that the state lacks a “strong hand”, but at the same time doing nothing, nothing will change ... Unfortunately, ...

Materials used:
http://www.km.ru/world/2013/06/06/situatsiya-na-ukraine/712607-ukrainskaya-vlast-igraet-v-opasnye-igry-i-riskuet-narv
http://www.ng.ru/cis/2013-06-06/6_ukraina.html
http://www.rosbalt.ru/blogs/2013/06/06/1137359.html
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  1. M. Peter
    M. Peter 10 June 2013 08: 22 New
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    Yes, it is unlikely that there will be anything. The population is amorphous, or rather few trusts, Russian forces are not there, Russia has been removed, Ukraine simply does not need our government in any way, although they chew snot about the Customs Union, but this is not done, if they wanted to return Ukraine, then was to work among the population. So many Russians, so many Ukrainians who are for the alliance with Russia, and so on ... There is no work, there’s the Russkiy Mir project, he was filled up with a bang, having left the church to the mercy. Because no one needs it, only everything is measured in money, forgetting about us, about ordinary people.
    And so, I personally think there will be no protest and unrest.
    1. Tatarus
      Tatarus 10 June 2013 08: 32 New
      +4
      Quote: M.Pyotr
      only Russian, so many Ukrainians who are for an alliance with Russia and so prosrait ..


      Why should we do and try for you. Decide for yourself. If there are a lot of such pro about Russian, then why is the state anti-Russian?
      1. M. Peter
        M. Peter 10 June 2013 09: 35 New
        +3
        For whom for us? smile I’m from Russia actually.
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 10 June 2013 10: 01 New
          +9
          Quote: M.Pyotr
          For whom for us? I’m from Russia actually.

          When the two Germanys merged, the western one, with great difficulty, pulled the eastern one from economic collapse for many years ... And Germany, the most powerful state in Europe. Do you think Russia will now be able to drag such a large education as Ukraine? The problems themselves are full. It is necessary that Ukraine would develop, shifts are outlined, then you can join. In the meantime, this cargo will drag us to the bottom of the economic gorge, from which they just started to climb out. As long as the Ukrainian authorities do not understand, or more correctly do not want to work for the good of the country, nothing will happen.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 10 June 2013 10: 21 New
            +5
            Quote: Atlon
            Quote: M.Pyotr
            For whom for us? I’m from Russia actually.

            When the two Germanys merged, the western one, with great difficulty, pulled the eastern one from economic collapse for many years ... And Germany, the most powerful state in Europe. Do you think Russia will now be able to drag such a large education as Ukraine? The problems themselves are full. It is necessary that Ukraine would develop, shifts are outlined, then you can join. In the meantime, this cargo will drag us to the bottom of the economic gorge, from which they just started to climb out. As long as the Ukrainian authorities do not understand, or more correctly do not want to work for the good of the country, nothing will happen.

            There can be no talk of immediate integration! But to have an allied, albeit independent state, task quite feasible for Russia.
            And in the future .... wink
            1. M. Peter
              M. Peter 10 June 2013 10: 40 New
              +6
              Quote: Corsair
              There can be no talk of immediate integration! But to have an allied, albeit independent state, task quite feasible for Russia.

              Totally agree!
              But such a policy is now also worthless. Since now, we are losing Ukraine.
          2. svp67
            svp67 10 June 2013 11: 21 New
            +4
            Quote: Atlon
            When the two Germanys merged, the western one, with great difficulty, pulled the eastern one from economic collapse for many years ...
            Not entirely true. The two Germany were representatives of different economic systems, while Ukraine and Russia have long-standing economic ties, which are now mostly "forcibly" severed ...
          3. zardoz
            zardoz 11 June 2013 01: 54 New
            0
            I am generally for an alliance with Russia, but ...
            Quote: Atlon
            The problems themselves are full. It is necessary that development would take place in Ukraine, shifts were outlined, then you can join

            What for then then to join?
    2. sincman
      sincman 10 June 2013 08: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: M.Pyotr
      And so, I personally think there will be no protest and unrest.

      There may not be a protest, and the action "Get up Ukraine!"
      But with excitement, faithful friends of the Atlantists - radical Islamists can help us.

      Hizb-ut Tahrir demanded the creation of the Crimean Caliphate
      On June sixth, about two thousand people gathered for a rally in Simferopol to demand the creation of a caliphate on the territory of the Crimean peninsula. The authorities did not interfere with the rally, despite the fact that the night before it had been officially banned by a decision of the Simferopol District Court.
      According to the Crimea-24 website, the event was held by the Islamic Liberation Party (Hizb-ut Tahrir) and coincided with the 90th anniversary of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, which the protesters called the "caliphate that legally owned territories on the Mediterranean coast. and the Black Seas. "

      “Today we are talking about the difficulties and obstacles that the Islamic nation (“ ummahs ”) have faced after the collapse of the caliphate. We are talking about the fact that the restoration of the caliphate is a duty that the Almighty has entrusted to us, ”said Fazyl Amzaev, a representative of Hizb-ut Tahrir, speaking at a rally in Simferopol.



      http://telegrafist.org/2013/06/08/63147/
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 10 June 2013 09: 46 New
        +3
        Quote: sincman
        There may not be a protest, and the action "Get up Ukraine!"
        But with excitement, faithful friends of the Atlantists - radical Islamists can help us.

        Moreover, the immediate goals of the Ukrainian Islamists intersect with the goals of the Ukrainian nationalists. The unifying line is the cooperation of Russia, and if you succeed in this field, these figures will cling to each other's throats ...
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 10 June 2013 09: 36 New
      +7
      Quote: M.Pyotr
      Yes, it is unlikely that there will be anything. The population is amorphous, or rather few people are trusted, there are no Russian forces there, Russia has been removed, Ukraine simply does not need our government in any way, although they chew snot about the Customs Union, but this is not done if you wanted to return Ukraine, you need was to work among the population. So many Russians, so many Ukrainians who are for an alliance with Russia, and so on ...

      Patience and a little effort...
      The processes going on in Ukraine, figuratively speaking, were taken by the Russian leadership "for auto-accompaniment", until the more pressing foreign policy issues are resolved. The time will come for resolving issues with Ukraine ...
      And at the moment, Ukraine is a cauldron with a loosely closed lid, in which SOMETHING is boiling gurgling, and where, without hesitation, with curiosity all and sundry periodically drop in. The primary task of Russia is to protect the “cauldron” from shameless peeping and point out to the curious their place.
      1. M. Peter
        M. Peter 10 June 2013 09: 48 New
        +5
        Quote: Corsair
        The processes taking place in Ukraine, figuratively speaking, were taken by the Russian leadership "for auto-escort"

        And what does that mean? Come and do nothing and do not support anyone, even let the teeth break off?
        Where is the support of the Russian, pro-Russian movements, they are not. If you are talking about the Customs Union, then far from what you imagine, there is no USSR2 as many see it, there is nothing like it.
        Our government only protects the interests of big business, not the people.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 10 June 2013 10: 06 New
          +5
          Quote: M.Pyotr
          And what does that mean?

          That inattentively read the comment ...
          before resolving more pressing issues of foreign policy. Time will come to resolve issues with Ukraine ...

          Well, you can’t nowRussia to disperse forces, as they say: Chasing two hares ...
          1. M. Peter
            M. Peter 10 June 2013 10: 17 New
            +4
            And time goes by. I agree that now our country does not have the opportunity and strength (not enough yet), but there is plenty of support for the Russian and pro-Russian movements in Ukraine. The informational background of Ukraine is purely at least neutral, and in fact Western, any journalist does not miss a chance to kick or spit in the direction of our country. What do you want to say that Russia does not control the mass media of the Square, and everything there has long been sold to our oligarchs. And they do not care, they just count the profit, and due to what they do not care, so these questions are allowed. Although it is necessary to clean up the information field of Ukraine for a long time, some issues would be solved at once simply, with the same gas at least. Because the population was entirely "ours", and not as now purely by inertia from the USSR, we once lived together.
            1. sincman
              sincman 10 June 2013 10: 24 New
              +8
              Quote: M.Pyotr
              What do you want to say that Russia does not control the mass media

              Russia so far does not control its media 100%, and even more so the Ukrainian ones.
              Quote: M.Pyotr
              yes there everything has long been sold to our oligarchs.

              The oligarchs are not yours as long as their business is registered in London. Accordingly, they have a London policy.
              Quote: M.Pyotr
              Although it is necessary to clean the information field of Ukraine for a long time, some issues would be resolved at once simply, with the same gas, at least

              Nobody argues, but this is not yet possible. Read carefully the corsair’s comments.
          2. Sevastopol
            Sevastopol 10 June 2013 12: 14 New
            +7
            Yes, already during this time a whole generation of new Russophobes in Ukraine managed to grow. Where else to pull? Often, moreover, the most ardent Russophobes and ethnic Russians themselves. Only fooled by fake history. They do not even distinguish between the concepts of nationality and citizenship.
            They should have gone bankrupt long ago and put their people in power. Or just buy locals. And with such "auto-escort" you can make yourself a NATO military base close by, in just 1 generation.
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    5. Shawnee
      Shawnee 10 June 2013 12: 57 New
      +3
      Ukraine has extensive experience in conducting revolutionary actions and combating them.
      The most interesting link is "Letter of the Ukrainian people to Prime Minister Erdogan." winked
      We, citizens of Ukraine, respectfully appeal to you with proposals on transferring our Ukrainian experience to you so that the Turkish revolution does not take place, you retain power, and the people - your slavery, without using physical violence. We dare to recommend you to occupy the people with something completely useless. And then your obstinate citizens will not be able to protest, due to their keen employment.

      Five events are able to completely neutralize the protest and steadily maintain control of the state in any circumstances. For this:

      1) Materially interest the protesters, give out money for participating in rallies. From what they see the rest will be ashamed of their people, and the area will be cleaned naturally.

      2) Let the protesters come to protest with party flags. Competition will divide the people into small embittered controlled groups.

      3) Teach your citizens to collect signatures and fill out petitions in defense of Gezi Park. Exhausted by the process of mobilization, the people will lose the meaning of protest and waste their strength.

      4) Throw an idea into the crowd - hold a multi-month campaign called "Get Up Turkey". The deconcentration of energy, the dispersal of protest resources in time will give results - the threats hanging over you will transform from real to virtual.

      5) Convince the protesters of the effectiveness of negotiations with the authorities. You will gain the opportunity to maneuver and the extra time to neutralize the protest

      1. bogdan
        bogdan 10 June 2013 16: 05 New
        +5
        only 1 percent of the country's citizens trust the police

        And this, apparently, is the police themselves laughing
        1. MG42
          MG42 10 June 2013 16: 14 New
          +4
          Quote: bogdan
          then apparently the police themselves are

          By the way yes cops 320 000 plus internal troops 34 000 + prosecutors + SBU, just about 1% of the 45 million population .. good
      2. alexdol
        alexdol 10 June 2013 16: 16 New
        +1
        Shawnee SU ".." Letter from the Ukrainian people to Prime Minister Erdogan. "
        ------------------------------------------
        Great recommendations, really liked! But everything is correctly noticed, everything happens in our life, unfortunately ... But Russia really does not pay attention to the Ukrainian issue ATTENTION! ?? It seems that this is no accident! And what did Russia do with the Crimea-just gave it to Ukraine!
        I myself grew up in Crimea, my father was a military man. Now I live in Kharkov. Somewhere in the year 2004 I happened to visit my native places, in Feodosia. What a shame it was to hear from the Russian military that Russia had betrayed them !!! But I understand that it was not Russia that betrayed, but the current anti-Russian Russian AUTHORITY ...
      3. MG42
        MG42 10 June 2013 16: 21 New
        +5
        Quote: Shawnee
        "Letter of the Ukrainian people to Prime Minister Erdogan."

        demotivator in the topic >>>
    6. nok01
      nok01 10 June 2013 19: 25 New
      0
      That's right, you need to work with the population ... and so far only nationalists, "Europeans" and a party of thieves - bandits, which still cannot determine the orientation vector, do it :)
  2. Sanyht
    Sanyht 10 June 2013 08: 26 New
    -6
    the people of Ukraine can only drink, smoke and shit on the porch !!! all the opposition is the same thieves, but without the trough of the state ...
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 10 June 2013 12: 00 New
      11
      Quote: Sanyht
      the people of Ukraine can only drink, smoke and shit in the porches !!!

      Listen, maybe you won’t spread your habits to all Ukrainians?
    2. omsbon
      omsbon 10 June 2013 12: 01 New
      12
      The fraternal people of Ukraine, for the most part, are hardworking, good people who, apart from their will, have been separated from other fraternal people.
      The question of the unification of Russia and Ukraine can be solved only with the mutual movement to meet each other. We will be together, no one will be afraid of us!
      1. M. Peter
        M. Peter 10 June 2013 16: 03 New
        +7
        Quote: omsbon
        Brotherly people of Ukraine

        They are not brotherly people to us, they are one people. This is the whole mistake that was deliberately made in the USSR, but if Lenin made it specifically to take power in the country, then it cost a lot for the country.
        There is no fraternal people of Ukrainians, there is one big Russian people, artificially divided into several parts. We are one people.
        1. Dimka off
          Dimka off 11 June 2013 16: 21 New
          +2
          big plus for this comment. So it is - one people.
    3. MG42
      MG42 10 June 2013 12: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: Sanyht
      the people of Ukraine can only drink, smoke and shit in the porches !!!

      As for drinking and smoking, since the Ukrainian government raises excise taxes on alcohol and cigarettes, legal goods will become / have become an expensive pleasure for most consumers, it goes into self-brewing fashion again, because sugar is now full and it will not go up in price in the near future .. bully
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 10 June 2013 12: 52 New
        +6
        Quote: MG42
        COMES IN FASHION SELF-BREWING

        yes it’s better to brew your own preparation than beer and energy it’s not clear what made of it.
        1. M. Peter
          M. Peter 10 June 2013 16: 15 New
          +2
          I can withstand cherries for a year, it’s better than any Georgian wine. wink
          1. Joker
            Joker 10 June 2013 16: 48 New
            +5
            And I do not drink alcohol at all, and I advise you wink
    4. Corneli
      Corneli 11 June 2013 16: 44 New
      -1
      Quote: Sanyht
      the people of Ukraine can only drink, smoke and shit on the porch !!! all the opposition is the same thieves, but without the trough of the state ...

      Hmm, and you personally, who exactly? And what can you do?) And in general, do you know how to do anything other than "trolling" on the forum?)
  3. Tatarus
    Tatarus 10 June 2013 08: 31 New
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    In addition, there is great doubt whether there are still people left in the country who are ready for no reason, completely free to help others, unite in the framework of a peaceful protest? Unfortunately, as practice shows, there are almost none left, and most of the protesters defend someone's interests almost always for money.

    There will be no riots in Ukraine. Only if for a lot of money. For very large. The mentality of this. Here we criticize Yanukovych for venality. And he is only part of Ukraine. The only decent people in this pseudo-country are those who were born in the USSR or were educated as in the USSR. The rest is even a shame to call the people.
    1. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 10 June 2013 09: 14 New
      15
      Quote: Tatarus
      Only if for a lot of money. For very large. The mentality is

      I respect Ukrainians, my wife is Ukrainian, but:
      One Ukrainian is a strong business executive.
      Two Ukrainians - a partisan detachment.
      Three Ukrainians - a partisan detachment with a traitor ......
      1. knn54
        knn54 10 June 2013 16: 36 New
        +4
        ziqzaq:
        One Russian is a drunkard.
        Two Russians fight.
        Three Russians, partyachka.
        .
        One Jew is a point of sale.
        Two Jews is an international chess tournament.
        Three Jews - Russian chamber orchestra.
        From the oral folk art of the Khrushchev era.
        PS Partisan detachment with a traitor is to the Crimean Tatars.
        P PS Maidan is impossible in Ukraine.
        For revolution, there are not sufficient (according to V.I. Lenin) conditions.
        For riot - enough motivation.
        Only MANAGED Riots are possible. Till...
        1. MG42
          MG42 10 June 2013 18: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: ziqzaq
          One Ukrainian is a strong business executive.
          Two Ukrainians - a partisan detachment.
          Three Ukrainians - a partisan detachment with a traitor ......


          one Ukrainian = <I'm sitting on the back and dumka wondering why am I not a falcon, why am I not flying?> lol
          Two Ukrainians = three hetmans ..
          three Ukrainians = swan cancer and pike, and things are still there ..
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 10 June 2013 09: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: Tatarus
      The only decent people in this pseudo-country are those who were born in the USSR or were educated as in the USSR.

      By the way, the Chief Eater of Galstukov studied in Kiev during the Soviet era, Yushchenko was also born not yesterday, and therefore your statement is not certain ...
  4. cartridge
    cartridge 10 June 2013 08: 53 New
    +3
    Anarchy will inevitably destroy Ukraine.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 10 June 2013 10: 59 New
      +8
      SW Cartridge! Where did you see anarchy? A rigid vertical was built according to gangster concepts. From the Minister of Justice to the guard police, everything has been privatized. Everywhere watching with a casting vote. Nothing depends on the people, he is dependent and any initiative not suitable for the pahanat will be severely destroyed. What do we have to observe.
      For their own, everything is unlimited, for the rest, there is a rigid vice and obedience to their concepts, called the law.
      There are regionals who began to win elections in the native land of ardent Western nationalists, the composition is called "Arrived". Vote not vote, the "thimblers" will win anyway.
      We will have neither Turkey nor Greece, and in general there will be nothing. The mentality is not that temperament. Do you need me? My hut is on the edge. Here you go uncle, restore order. The op position once again proved the genius of grandfather Krylov. And nothing has changed.
      The battleship "POTEMKIN" will not appear on the horizon due to its complete absence. Accordingly, there will be no forward detachment of sailors. The army was so rotten and reduced that by chance meeting a military man in the right to make a wish. Hegemon, the working class is hegemonized. Who went where to work. The peasantry, who went to the city, who went to Spain for tangerines or Greece for olives. The intelligentsia, the last one, fled in 17. So there is no revolutionary situation. Neither will it be bourgeois-democratic. Only for themselves was built and overthrown. Not socialist. All communists marched together, in formation, under the banner, with the leader in front, in the ranks of the capitalists.
      What about politics. Summer! The sun! Beach! And sea! Stop! Here is the inscription on the fence "Private property". the last joy was grabbed. Soon we will go on vacation from the North Shore of the Black Sea, to the South Shore of the White Sea (if not yet privatized).
      1. ale-x
        ale-x 10 June 2013 15: 42 New
        +3
        It has not yet been privatized, but there may not be enough space))) Lumberjack brigades in the Novgorod region are present, moreover, from the western regions (Ivano-Frankivsk).
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 10 June 2013 11: 50 New
      +6
      Quote: cartridge
      Anarchy will inevitably destroy Ukraine.

      Sorry, I’ll correct .... Democracy - the mother of anarchy will destroy Ukraine.
  5. pinecone
    pinecone 10 June 2013 08: 56 New
    +2
    Apparently, Kiev reconciled with the possibility of losing the Crimea.
    1. M. Peter
      M. Peter 10 June 2013 09: 42 New
      +6
      Nothing of the kind, Kiev little by little over the years has changed the administration in Sevastopol to less radical ones. Of course, no one there is shouting for "Vilna Ukraine", but no one in the administration now says that Sevastopol is a temporary occupied territory of Russia. Considering that our country let go of business in an independent country, it just says that Ukraine is independent and let it do what it wants, then in ten years it will be possible to forget about such a scenario. The generations for which Ukraine is Ukraine will grow up, the generations for which Ukraine is part of Russia will grow old and that's it.
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 11 June 2013 16: 58 New
      -1
      Quote: pinecone
      Apparently, Kiev reconciled with the possibility of losing the Crimea.

      belay
      Why such a strange conclusion? I would say the opposite! Figs who will lose it, except that Ukraine really will begin to fork out, completely ... (but so far this is unlikely)
  6. Sosed_26
    Sosed_26 10 June 2013 08: 56 New
    +4
    To be honest, I’m not at all sorry for our “brothers”! Probably because I have seen enough and read anti-Russian statements and protests. Especially western Ukraine as they relate to veterans and indeed to the Russian population.
    Let your problems be solved by yourself !!
  7. Yarbay
    Yarbay 10 June 2013 08: 59 New
    14
    I wish the Ukrainian people to get rid of the problems described in the article as soon as possible!
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus 10 June 2013 21: 45 New
      -1
      Yes, not everything is so sad. I can’t say that honey is smeared, but you can live. Most of my friends already have two children. I also plan it myself, otherwise I’m only a daughter.
      In fact, the people respond to any stupidity of the authorities with their cunning. So we live. We do not fatten, but it is too early to switch to "Doshirak."
  8. sys-1985
    sys-1985 10 June 2013 08: 59 New
    +4
    The people of Ukraine are in some kind of numbness, tired of the clowns.
  9. fisherman
    fisherman 10 June 2013 09: 14 New
    +4
    A terrible riot in Ukraine will be. After the entry of Yanukvovich in the second term. That was the year in 2017. Yanukovych betrayed the Russians, and he was always disgusted with the zapadents. Everyone is unhappy with him now, and by that time they will hate him.
    1. MG42
      MG42 10 June 2013 11: 25 New
      +7
      Quote: fisherman
      A terrible riot in Ukraine will be. After the entry of Yanukvovich in the second term.

      Viktor Fedorych has already served two terms in his youth, there will be a third term wink
  10. Sevastopol
    Sevastopol 10 June 2013 10: 16 New
    +9
    Unrest will be, but unlikely riot. Most just have no time to participate in these riots, you need to somehow feed your hungry families earning 250 bucks a month, and also help relatives, pensioners, who survive for just over 120 bucks a month. Young people are lethargic, drunk and degraded, and there is not much of it at all, the country's history is falsified, almost no one teaches Russian in schools (Crimea, maybe some exception), but everyone speaks it. Is it that someone will sponsor who is a riot, but who needs it?

    This country was created with the aim of the gradual destruction of its population. And while Ukraine will exist as a state, people in it will never live well. What power doesn’t matter. In Ukraine, it so happened that no matter what force comes, it will be anti-people’s power. Politicians use a cardinal difference in values ​​among the people of the west and southeast of the country (consider that the two nations are now different), playing on it and spitting on everything else.

    Citizens of Ukraine have a simple choice among politicians: either Donetsk bandits who have not fulfilled any of the promises (and even vice versa) or Western zapadensky inferiority. What could be with such a country? Only the road to the dustbin of history, where this non-state is the place.

    No one in Ukraine even discusses corruption and theft, unlike Russia, at least where it is also enough, but this is still considered abnormal in Russia, at least in the media. All have long been accustomed to and have taken for granted nepotism and bribery. For grandmother from place to kindergarten and to a place in parliament and court. This topic is irrelevant, and the media do not even really raise it. The tax system is one of the most difficult in the world, taxes on almost everything, and a living wage for a month, God forbid, a person survive for at least a week. Those who have managed to steal or acquire relatives under power - they chew. The rest simply survive, and their chances of living better are close to zero.
    1. alex13-61
      alex13-61 10 June 2013 11: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: Sevastopolets
      . Politicians use a cardinal difference in values ​​among the people of the west and southeast of the country (consider that the two nations are now different), playing on it and spitting on everything else.

      And therefore, I repeat, only FEDERATION, otherwise there will be a constant "pulling the blanket", but the main opponents of this project are the Ukrainian people ... their appetites extend even beyond the borders that exist today.
      1. Sevastopol
        Sevastopol 10 June 2013 11: 42 New
        +4
        The federation was invented to strengthen local authorities and the life of the country according to the principle: who works, he eats. The western part of the country lives on subsidies, it has always been unprofitable, and now even more so. They will be the first to oppose, despite their hatred of Donetsk. Who bites the feeding hand? Kiev is also not interested in federalization ("why would anyone give money to anyone, let them go to the capital."

        Well, to bring up such a question, it is necessary to change the constitution. And any ruling party will never have a constitutional majority. I don't see any particular prospects. Nobody will do a coup ("why, they feed us well in the opposition"), they will only yap and depict violent activities such as celebrating the Holodomor and the day of the founding of the SS Galicia, dancing on the bones.

        This, of course, would be a good option, with a federation. But I do not believe in such prospects. I am almost sure that the slogan on federalization will remain a slogan that can and will draw some number of votes in the election. But those who will be in power will not and will not be able to carry it out. And why, if it is more convenient to steal in Kiev?

        I would like to believe in something good for the long-suffering people of this anti-people state. But apart from the collapse of the country due to bankruptcy, default, and, as a result, anarchy for some time, I see no prospects.
    2. alex13-61
      alex13-61 10 June 2013 11: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Sevastopolets
      There will be unrest, but the riot is unlikely

      I completely agree with this ... and not throughout the territory. And this will be a catalyst for a split.
  11. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 10 June 2013 10: 22 New
    +5
    Ukraine needs a strong reformer in the economy!
    1. sincman
      sincman 10 June 2013 10: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: ayyildiz
      Ukraine needs a strong reformer in the economy!

      Ukraine just needs a National Leader - a patriot, not a puppet of the West or a business representative.
      1. solvent
        solvent 10 June 2013 10: 43 New
        +2
        We are neither a leader nor a reformer. If the inhabitants did not have apathy ... And then, as in a famous song:

        Remember the battleship Potemkin,
        Spit out rotten meat.
        How much gnaw can be eaten
        From gentlemen’s tables # $% owls?
        Thousands of our brothers
        They die in the name of freedom.
        Police jerking off authority
        For a package of social vomiting.
        Glamorous Autosacks,
        Ohm with gilding
        Chain dogs ready for a fight;
        Is killing a man's job?
        The stroller is already rolling
        Cossack black-browed cuts.
        Oil spilled on the Patriarchs.
        Woland is coming. Everything is ready.

        What have you got to do with it? Indifference kills no worse than a bullet.
        What have you got to do with it? The world is dying, well, and # $ whether.
        What have you got to do with it? Indifference kills no worse than a bullet.
        What have you got to do with it? The world is dying, well, and # $ whether.

        Worldwide wave of demonstrations
        Drives tyrants into a shiver.
        The piano is sticking out of the barricades,
        And on it Spartak and Gavrosh dance.
        Tanks with gasoline burn -
        The torches of the new dawn;
        Yachts and limousines explode;
        The ringer is sounding the alarm.
        Human dignity
        Freedom, pride and honor.
        We all have no laughing matter now
        Victory is decided here.
        And if you don’t fight now,
        Then tomorrow we all @ # dec.
        No one else will see the sun.
        Shameful, cowardly end!

        What have you got to do with it? Indifference kills no worse than a bullet.
        What have you got to do with it? The world is dying, well, and # $ whether.
        What have you got to do with it? Indifference kills no worse than a bullet.
        What have you got to do with it? The world is dying, well, and # $ whether.
      2. Sevastopol
        Sevastopol 10 June 2013 10: 44 New
        +9
        So what? What national leader can a country have in which a third of the population, Russians, have been turned into a national minority? What kind of leader can this country have if the entire power system in this country was initially and now aimed only at the material support of those who broke through it?
        I don’t imagine that the West and the southeast of the country can be reconciled, that it is a loan to a politician.

        Yes, and this is disadvantageous to the system. They will continue to play at the confrontation, people do not vote FOR someone, but AGAINST. And politicians can throw rotten eggs, erect monuments to accomplices of the Nazis, and then rob the already impoverished people.
        The country's economy exists at the expense of non-free loans, which every year and further kills the very possibility of boosting this economy.

        The budget is like an African country. And the external debt is more than 135 billion dollars. Built damn independence. Count on the number of people this amount, and see for yourself that the grandchildren will not pay off their debts, especially considering the diminishing population and the almost complete lack of scientific potential, as well as the futility of the development of science in Ukraine in general (almost all are dumped by students, and there are very few of them so). And debts both grew and grow.
        1. Skavron
          Skavron 10 June 2013 12: 47 New
          0
          Quote: Sevastopolets
          So what? What national leader can a country have

          .
          And what option do you see?
          We all know how to criticize ...
        2. Corneli
          Corneli 11 June 2013 17: 41 New
          -2
          Quote: Sevastopolets
          So what? What national leader can a country have in which a third of the population, Russians, have been turned into a national minority?

          And it was necessary to turn into the "majority"? Or did not understand why you are doing this? (
          Quote: Sevastopolets
          What kind of leader can this country have if the entire power system in this country was initially and now aimed only at the material support of those who broke through it?

          Tell me an example, please, which of the 15 republics of the former USSR is wrong?
          Quote: Sevastopolets
          I don’t imagine that the West and the southeast of the country can be reconciled, that it is a loan to a politician.
          Yes, and this is disadvantageous to the system. They will continue to play at the confrontation, people do not vote FOR someone, but AGAINST. And politicians can throw rotten eggs, erect monuments to accomplices of the Nazis, and then rob the already impoverished people.
          The country's economy exists at the expense of non-free loans, which every year and further kills the very possibility of boosting this economy.

          In general, I agree .... But "the devil is in the details" ...
        3. Corneli
          Corneli 11 June 2013 18: 04 New
          -1
          We continue ...
          quote = Sevastopol] Budget as an African country. [/ Quote]
          South Africa, which is in BRICS, located in Africa)
          [quote = Sevastopol] And external debt - more than 135 billion dollars. [/ Quote] (at $ 335,4 billion of GDP at PPP - 40% of GDP)
          AND?:
          Russia: External debt- $ 623 billion (January 9, 1) (PPP GDP - $ 2013 trillion- $ 2,513.299 trillion ... figs you will understand who correctly believes (((from 3,380.073 to 18% of GDP)
          Germany (the United States will not lead))): External debt-$ 4,713 trillion (June 2010) (PPP GDP is $ 2 trillion - that is, almost 815% debt !!! and this is a type of mega-prosperous-stable country, the flagship of the EU!)
          Kazakhstan (it’s kind of cool, in the TS): $ 124,2 billion - debt !!! (PPP GDP - $ 214 billion ... approx. 50%)
          Belarus (also TS): $ 32,966 billion in external debt (PPP GDP - 141,8 billion ... approx. 23%)
          Based on your logic, it turns out that it is best to "live" (in terms of debt-to-GDP ratio)):
          1. Whether Russia, Belarus felts !!! (It hurts the Russian data is different) debt-approx 20-25%
          2. Ukraine !!!! Bugaga !!! debt approx 40% wassat
          3. Kazakhstan - debt approx. 50%
          4. Germany !!!! (FUUU, I am also a "flagship" of the EU !!! Suck bums ... palyube ...) - debt approx 200% !!!
          The moral of this fable is this! Hare "play" with numbers !!! You can twist them as you like, keeping silent about those that are not profitable) Well, count the population and its debt rates yourself ... Ukraine (from the above countries) is also not in the worst place ...
      3. MG42
        MG42 10 June 2013 11: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: sincman
        Does Ukraine just need a national leader - a patriot? not a puppet of the West or a business representative.

        Is that a nod to Tyagnibok? This is the road to nowhere ..
        1. Skavron
          Skavron 10 June 2013 12: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: MG42
          Is that a nod to Tyagnibok?

          tyagnibok nationalist, not patriot
      4. Skavron
        Skavron 10 June 2013 12: 45 New
        0
        Quote: sincman
        Ukraine just needs a national leader - a patriot,

        That's it !!!
  12. VadimSt
    VadimSt 10 June 2013 10: 28 New
    +4
    Regarding some comments concerning Ukraine, but made by those who do not live in Ukraine, he recalled his father’s story in the 80's: - At the factory, during the lunch break, they discussed restaurant delicacies. In the brigade, there was an all-knowing and capable activist of the trade union committee. When it came to tobacco chicken, the latter said that he knew this muck - he personally didn’t like this dish, because it stinks of tobacco, and he is not a smoker!

    In my opinion, the situation in Ukraine will be critical in the 2015 elections. The "gays" and "oranges" who have opposed until now have exhausted the confidence limit of the majority of voters.

    This is especially true of the Party of Regions, which "stepped over" its voters, and in order to consolidate power, in fact, cleaned out the concept of an independent judicial system, fair elections, justice and democracy. Flirts with nationalists, became a cancer between the EU and Russia, trying to suck on two queens at once, passed through the Constitutional Court a decision that the President is not responsible to the voters for the implementation of the election program.

    In the camp of the "orange", everything looks more moderate. The reason is purely technical, since their lecturer remains within their own limits - due to internal reformation and subsequent unification into one opposition bloc.
    Against this background, it is the opposition forces that will play the dominant role in the 2015 elections, and most importantly, the extreme right-wing nationalism, borrowed from the Svoboda party, will become the basis.

    The current government, many voters who have been leading them to power for several years, will no longer provide support - they saw not only political betrayal, but also felt in their own skin all the economic and legislative reforms of the "gay". In the best case, they will vote for the Communist Party, since the leaders of Russian and other associations who advocated close integration with Russia support the Party of Regions line in everything and are practically its Members. At worst, they will ignore the elections altogether.

    Europe needs Ukraine only as a buffer zone! There can be no talk of any real association. For Yanukovych, there is only one thing left - either to tighten the screws, turn Ukraine into a closed, police state, or still decide on the issue of joining the Customs Union.

    At the moment, there is no force that can replace these crooks for the deceived voters of the southeast of Ukraine. And this will give an advantage to the opposition bloc! After the elections, the only thing left to do is to wait for the “former” to replace Tymoshenko - at least some satisfaction, for disappointed hopes.
    1. MG42
      MG42 10 June 2013 11: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: VadimSt
      There can be no talk of any real association. For Yanukovych, there is only one thing left - either to tighten the screws, turn Ukraine into a closed, police state, or still decide on joining the Customs Union.

      We will appreciate the beauty of the game only closer to the fall, it’s real = not so far only fortunetelling on the coffee grounds and continue to stupidly bend the seat line on 2 chairs, becoming an observer in the TS and actively bringing the legislative framework in accordance with the requirements of signing the EU Association Agreement ..
  13. biglow
    biglow 10 June 2013 10: 29 New
    +1
    as already mentioned above, there are no prerequisites for riots, the people think more about how to feed themselves. Marginals can make some noise, but without the support of the bulk of the population, nothing will work. What they write about Islamists is not enough and they do not have much support among the Tatars.
    Most Tatars want a normal life and also understand that there will be no money without tourists. There have been no serious conflicts in Crimea for all these years, because no one wants this.
    The Tatars are slowly integrating into Russian culture. Not all of them want their children to work as traders in the market all their lives, so they try to merge without any conflicts into the cultural environment that exists ..
    1. MG42
      MG42 10 June 2013 11: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: biglow
      as already written above there are no prerequisites for riots

      I don't know how it fits together >>
      Among such unpopular measures, first of all, we can mention the increase in prices for utilities (gas and electricity), the abolition of tax benefits and the increase in tax rates for private entrepreneurship, the establishment of control over the payment of 15-interest tax on remittances (i.e., money, which Ukrainians working abroad send to their relatives in Ukraine), the introduction of taxes on the sale of home appliances and mobile phones and holidays abroad.

      I would also add a pension reform here - an increase of 5 years for women of retirement age and the most recent tax on real estate, the principle of "a hut on the edge of the outskirts may someday not work out"
      And some kind of peaceful demonstration can develop into a pogrom of nearby boutiques and arson of the Kiev Lexus with all the consequences ..
      In Turkey, the whole movement began with environmental protests against the development of the park, in Kiev, such battles with the cops and breaking the fences of new construction sites occur almost every day ..
      1. biglow
        biglow 10 June 2013 14: 44 New
        +3
        among Asian people, emotions always sweep over the edge, it is unusual for our people. We need to rock the Russian person for a long time. We have a different psychology, we think that we will stretch it today, and we will stretch tomorrow, and then the thread will change itself. People are tired of such a life, but there is no energy for change either, especially since the two halves have different views on where to go further. As long as sane leaders do not appear sane, nothing will change
        1. MG42
          MG42 10 June 2013 17: 14 New
          +4
          Quote: biglow
          Until sane leaders appear in the western and eastern halves, nothing will change

          It is impossible to calculate this and it’s not even a matter of temperament ..
          As for the split >> Russia, if it was interested, could really do something, and so only economic leverage = Gazprom's gas stranglehold, and the beginning of the construction of the "southern stream" stimulation of traffic in the vehicle ..
          1. biglow
            biglow 10 June 2013 17: 59 New
            +1
            MG42
            Russia can do a lot of things, but now it needs stability around its borders, and nobody wants to create an artificially new hotbed of tension.
            Of course, if a conflict between western and eastern Ukraine happens, then Russia will have to react
            And in a different situation everything will be as it is, plus small movements like in Sambo that would provoke the enemy to fall himself ..
            Or the appearance of at least one powerful leader no matter in which half of the country this happens, then some progress may well begin ..
            1. MG42
              MG42 10 June 2013 18: 27 New
              +3
              Quote: biglow
              Or the appearance of at least one powerful leader no matter in which half of the country this happens, then some progress may well begin ..

              Tyagnibok is apparently not enough, someone else needs worse ... and Natsik in the Verkhovna Rada, which was previously considered unacceptable, is now calmly perceived .. in a bad economic situation, people just vote for the radicals ..
              >> as they say where the curve will take ..
              1. biglow
                biglow 10 June 2013 21: 25 New
                0
                Tegnibok is not a leader, he only keeps his leadership on money. A Jew with the money of other Jews rules the Nazis, Bendera knows it all, there are simply no others.
                The Good Leader has secondary money, such as the Chornovol, the Natsiks do not, and the Russian part of Ukraine has no leaders so far.
  14. Gato
    Gato 10 June 2013 10: 43 New
    +7
    Quote: sincman
    Ukraine just needs a national leader

    Yes, like Lukashenko. But where to get it? Not in the same two troupes of political clowns who call themselves power and opposition!
  15. solvent
    solvent 10 June 2013 10: 45 New
    0
    Quote: biglow
    Tatars are slowly integrating into Russian culture.

    Yes, the Tatars at their gathering of "bul-bul-tapirs" even had slogans practically all written in Russian!
  16. datur
    datur 10 June 2013 11: 08 New
    0
    here-to you. what did you want SYRIA
  17. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 10 June 2013 11: 25 New
    +7
    Much has been written now about Ukraine ... and most of this is in hard-hitting colors ... about the Leadership, about the economy, about gas, about the armed forces, etc. etc. During the so-called. "Nezalezhnosti" Ukraine is torn apart by political strife affecting the entire course of events in the life of the people of Ukraine. And the most important thing is that the gap is not visible in the short term. It is said a lot that in 2017 there will be a final turn for the better ..... someone, on the contrary, predicts that the 17th year will be the final one in the collapse of Ukraine. And the people living on this land ... and the Ukrainians, Russians, Tatars, Jews, etc. cannot understand what kind of country they have such ... well, everything is not so ... like in Europe, but before European level to her as to Mars.
    Remember how in Soviet times ... Ukraine is the breadbasket of the USSR, and then there was so much speculation about the fact that Ukraine feeds everyone, and they say they are malnourished ..... times have changed ... No one is called "breadbasket" anymore , ... I would like to make ends meet ... maybe the understanding has come for some that Ukraine is only strong when it is in the Union ... or as it is fashionable to say "In a team" ... far from everyone ... Therefore, the strife ..... Since the beginning of the history of Ukraine, it has such a difficult fate .... I would say long-suffering ... it is a pity that this is how everything happens. In the Union of Slavic states of Belarus, Ukraine and Russia, it would be much easier for us to live, develop and defend ourselves. One people - one country !!
    1. MG42
      MG42 10 June 2013 11: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      Remember how in Soviet times ... Ukraine is the breadbasket of the USSR, and then there was so much speculation about the fact that Ukraine feeds everyone, and they say they are malnourished ..... times have changed ... No one is called "breadbasket" anymore , ... would make ends meet by herself

      Yes, under this slogan `` Ukraine = Europa's breadbasket '', the Union was destroyed, in principle, Ukraine now exports grain, this is the second export commodity after metal that brings income to the budget, from agricultural products there is still a lot of sunflower oil a quarter of all wha in the world ..
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 10 June 2013 12: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      here in the 2017 year, the final turning point for the better will happen ..... someone quite the opposite predicts that the 17 year will be final in the collapse of Ukraine.

      It seems to me that you did not exactly understand. The final turning point for the better will be precisely because Ukraine will fall apart! fellow
    3. Gato
      Gato 10 June 2013 12: 05 New
      +1
      what kind of country they have such ..... well, everything is wrong for her .... like in Europe, but to the European level she’s like to Mars


      But because there is a "top" (what pops up) - that's up to their standard of living for the Europeans as before Mars. As Stupka said in the role of Khmelnitsky in one film: "Who is happy in Ukraine? Tycoons! And who were the rest?"
    4. revnagan
      revnagan 10 June 2013 12: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      Remember how in Soviet times ... Ukraine is the breadbasket of the USSR, and then there was so much speculation about the fact that Ukraine feeds everyone, and they say it is malnourished ..... times have changed ... No one is called "breadbasket" anymore , ... to make ends meet ...

      Oh, you should have seen how much the land is empty now, overgrown with weeds, bushes. And in Soviet times, after all, bread grew here, I myself walked through these fields. And when in the dashing 90s here "Svidomye" squealed that they say we feed the whole USSR with bread there he is, heading, I told them that they can't process this bread with their hands, but fuel and lubricants from Russia ... And the equipment is needed. will crawl ... "Well, it turned out, as I said, the land is empty. But nationalists are such a breed of people who piss in the eyes, and they are" God's dew ... "And the situation in the country has really become worse, even in comparison with Yushchem. The industry is simply "squeezed". There is nothing more to replenish the budget, the oligarchs will not give anything away, so the industrial enterprises that remain afloat "milk" the power, and there are less than 10% of them left. And these enterprises are pulling on themselves the entire budgetary sphere. We have a salary of 1500 hryvnia at the factory. The working week is 4 days. And one large factory in the city, there is nowhere else to go. No, there is also a bazaar and private traders, but there is also not me But many people would like to personally "thank" the representatives of this government on occasion, so if there is an opportunity to "reach out" to them, they will definitely use it.
  18. gych
    gych 10 June 2013 11: 32 New
    +6
    what are you sculpting? What kind of rebellion? What revolution? Who is now vazmuschayetsa: Bendera, fascists who have proclaimed themselves true patriots, traders speculators raised a tax to them so woe so let them go to the factory to pay for the dribble! Of course with the Afghans and Chernobyl people went too far! that they shred it, guys ruined life and health, because the country ordered, and now they take this piece! From the working people only the miners got their salaries and 5000-10000gr and higher, the rest of the cookies! honey nurse1500gr, welder at the factory1500- 2000g, teachers of 2000g at the cops and the military 2000g (and these are the people who were given weapons that protect the country and people), etc. why do they not undo the riots even though the inequality is on the face ?! And in the elections for whom to vote for the boxer (even not funny) he lived more abroad than at home, the Yatsenyuk is even cooler or the neo-Nazi is troublesome! until this circus with flags is not the end of the order will be! bite the hands of the military and the police so that they serve, and do not serve, to traders and corrupt media ! The journalist was beaten by the tragedy of the century damn it! Take an example from Belarus and the country’s order and Russia didn’t shit!
    1. MG42
      MG42 10 June 2013 11: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: gych
      and so on, why do they not disrupt riots even inequality on the face ?!

      By the way, a good question, given the rate of $ 1 \ 8 UAH .. and how much does it cost to pay for housing a nurse with her salary of $ 200, about half, to feed the rest and to buy clothes you already need to borrow money ..
      it's about prerequisites too ..
    2. solvent
      solvent 10 June 2013 12: 57 New
      +5
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      In the Union of Ukraine and Russia it would be much easier for us to live


      From the change of oligarchs, the life of a simple citizen will not improve!
  19. fenix57
    fenix57 10 June 2013 12: 10 New
    +5
    Quote: Grigorich 1962
    In the Union of Slavic States of Belarus, Ukraine and Russia, it would be much easier for us to live, and to develop and defend ourselves. One people - one country !!

    Your words, yes GOD! The leadership of Ukraine has neither reason nor hearing, and no sight ...
  20. Lalaloa
    Lalaloa 10 June 2013 12: 37 New
    -2
    It seems to be so bad, but no, we have to do worse. The authorities do not cease to amaze. This site recently came across: http://w2c3d.tk where information about each of us is publicly posted. I don’t know why to do this, but it personally scares me. Nevertheless, I somehow managed to delete my data, though I had to register, but no one could "dig up" anything on me.
  21. solvent
    solvent 10 June 2013 12: 59 New
    -2
    Quote: gych
    bind ... police hands ...
    Comrad, you lived in UA for a long time. Now we have cops = bandits = dogs of the regime!
  22. gych
    gych 10 June 2013 13: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: solvent
    Quote: gych
    bind ... police hands ...
    Comrad, you lived in UA for a long time. Now we have cops = bandits = dogs of the regime!

    no need to comb all under one comb!
  23. gych
    gych 10 June 2013 13: 28 New
    -2
    Quote: solvent
    Quote: gych
    bind ... police hands ...
    Comrad, you lived in UA for a long time. Now we have cops = bandits = dogs of the regime!

    no need to comb all under one comb!
  24. Max
    Max 10 June 2013 13: 42 New
    +3
    I live in Kiev. As long as I do not directly see the zealous revolutionaries, life flows as usual. The authorities very subtly feel the people, and keep it at that minimum, which does not allow the population to spit on everything and go to the barricades. The author is right, after powerful revolutions, it is difficult for the country to repeatedly hold any mass protests, people are devastated.
    1. MG42
      MG42 10 June 2013 15: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: max
      The author is right, after powerful revolutions,

      What kind powerful revolution? wassat one "orange" was for money, including Berezovsky, according to the scenario of the State Department ..
      Quote: max
      it is difficult for the country to repeat any mass protests

      we are not talking about paid rallies 100 UAH ... people wave a flag today for some tomorrow for others, but about a spontaneous rebellion ... for example, against development like in the same Turkey ... everything rests only on the ukroinsky mentality <hut I don't know anything from the edge>, until the hut is set on fire ..
  25. Skavron
    Skavron 10 June 2013 13: 58 New
    +2
    Hmm ... riot?
    For a complete rebellion or revolution you need a leader! Without a leader, there will be no serious unrest.
    Moreover, the leader must be pleasing to both the west and the east.
    Color revolutions in the world, had one feature. They were without a clearly defined leader, and this only speaks about one thing - these are funded, contracted illegitimate shifts of existing governments. This is all interference from outside.
    While the current government will try to negotiate, there will be no need for revolutions.
    And with the current rulers, as well as with the opposition, no one in the world will contact)) For it’s dumb. For they will throw it.
    1. ded_73
      ded_73 10 June 2013 14: 22 New
      +1
      In addition to the leader, who does not exist, there is no most important thing - the idea. An idea will give birth to a leader. And now, to our great regret, we have one idea - money, which gives birth to its "leaders". Impudent, frostbitten and unprincipled.
      1. solvent
        solvent 11 June 2013 10: 30 New
        -3
        I don’t understand, are you sheep, that you need a shepherd with his idea?
        Do you speak for an idea? So take mine - respect for human rights, decent life and work!
        Nothing prevents, for starters, on-site self-organization in civic organizations and the protection of their rights.
        But no, it interferes. Global pokhu-zm and amorphousness, "my hut is on the edge", "but the master will come."
  26. pushkin71
    pushkin71 10 June 2013 14: 50 New
    +1
    In my opinion, the worst thing in this situation is that the national card will be played. this is what will allow people to unite as quickly as possible and take power on this wave. It will only be necessary to find the guilty parties. It is clear that this will be Russia (... well, not the States and not Poland, of course). And the whole "democratic" world is just waiting for this, and it will pour oil on the fire very generously, so that the Slavic brothers will stir up each other. This is how you and I, dear Ukrainians, will be "bred".
  27. Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 10 June 2013 15: 01 New
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    At a time when people in Turkey believed in themselves, ordinary citizens managed to rise, to unite secular and religious figures, Turks and Kurds, left and right in protests against the development of the park
    lol
  28. kind
    kind 10 June 2013 16: 51 New
    +2
    Unfortunately, in the post-Soviet space there are almost no politicians thinking at least 50 years in advance. Basically, everyone lives today (tomorrow's maximum), not thinking about descendants. How easy it is to make mistakes, and how painful it is then to eliminate their consequences, especially if these consequences are washed with blood.
  29. nnz226
    nnz226 10 June 2013 17: 42 New
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    And the population of the square is amorphous for a simple reason: they rebelled, knocked on the barrels, shouted: "We are rich at once!" on the Maidan in 2004 and sho ?! Received a moronic prize in power and the "Valkyrie of the Orange Revolution", who signed a gas contract with Russia, for which he is sitting now and the "power" cannot pay for gas and howls constantly about inflated prices for this gas. Question: "And who did you choose? With knocking on barrels and breaking the law ?! And now, according to the proverb:" Bachily's eyes were bathed, so go out and go out! "So right now everyone is arguing:" Once again on the Maidan ?! There are so many bad ones! "
  30. Sashko07
    Sashko07 10 June 2013 17: 43 New
    -1
    Regarding the new taxes, Azarov just a few days ago gave an interview to Ukrainian TV channels on the air, there he clearly said that there are no new taxes, that for the medium, that for the small business there will not be. It’s clear, is it true or this time we are again ... t, then that's another conversation wassat
    1. MG42
      MG42 10 June 2013 19: 02 New
      +1
      The real estate tax moratorium failed in the 2nd reading of the deputies, so you have to pay who falls under it. Also, in the short term, mandatory declaration of income is introduced for all citizens, and not just SPD ..
  31. DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 10 June 2013 18: 21 New
    0
    In Turkey, people oppose Islamization !!!!!!!!!!
  32. georg737577
    georg737577 10 June 2013 22: 25 New
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    It is encouraging that recently acquaintances (mostly small businessmen) have often asked for advice on which barrel and what cartridges should be bought for it in case "it starts" ... From what can be formalized. I advise Saiga 12 and buckshot ... Plus several spare magazines and a collimator.
  33. shamil
    shamil 10 June 2013 22: 44 New
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    Ukraine is filled with Western advisers, and elections are ahead. The floor of Ukraine is pro-Western; the country has no pro-Russian money
    The West does not need to hang around, they spit towards Russia. Shaw for a country like that? .
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  35. solvent
    solvent 11 June 2013 10: 32 New
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    Quote: Sashko07
    Regarding the new taxes, Azarov just a few days ago gave an interview to Ukrainian TV channels on the air, there he clearly said that there are no new taxes, that for the medium, that for the small business there will not be. It’s clear, is it true or this time we are again ... t, then that's another conversation wassat


    On taxes - you need to ask the deputies. Did you not go to the polls? Why then "groan" that in the country the rules of the game are set by "Donetsk"?
  36. Sunscorpion
    Sunscorpion 11 June 2013 23: 14 New
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    People are just tired of waiting and believing, at least those I know. According to my feelings, one big reason - and flutters so that little seems, but I would like in the mind, and not through ... thorns to the stars ...
  37. O_RUS
    O_RUS 12 June 2013 00: 21 New
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    Quote: sincman
    Ukraine just needs a National Leader - a patriot, not a puppet of the West or a business representative.


    in Ukraine, nats heroes, monuments put.
  38. crush
    crush 12 June 2013 15: 48 New
    -1
    It will be great if the Ukrainian defense industry dies. Then we will have more orders. We do not need competitors
  39. Ar4ii
    Ar4ii 12 June 2013 21: 36 New
    +2
    We have enough of our own problems, and in Ukraine people already have their own mentality and a new generation has grown up that is looking west. What can we give Ukraine besides gas? ..