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Azerbaijan version of the modernization of the tank T-72 to the level of Aslan

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Azerbaijan version of the modernization of the tank T-72 to the level of Aslan



Azerbaijani Armed Forces modernize their armaments tanks T-72 to T-72 level Aslan (Aslan means "lion"). The modernization project was developed by the Israeli company Elbit Systems together with representatives of the industry of Azerbaijan.



In the course of modernization, a computerized fire control system is installed on the tanks to ensure the execution of automatic operations. This is a computerized system that allows the commander and crew to obtain information about the battlefield. The fire control system was refined to provide the ability to fire a guided missile through the bore.

The modernization package also includes two thermal imaging cameras for the driver and, in the gunner’s sight, tank guns. A set of surveillance systems allows you to conduct combat operations in any weather conditions and at night.



The hull and turret of the T-72 Aslan are protected by mounted dynamic protection elements.



The GPS navigation system provides additional information for subordinate crews using the short message service. The navigation system works in any meteorological conditions, which makes it different from other GPS systems.

The T-72 Aslan has a friend-to-others system, which, when aimed at a friendly tank, warns the crew of a potential error with an alarm sound.

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  1. Orel
    Orel 8 June 2013 06: 57 New
    +6
    Azerbaijan has been strengthening its armed forces for a long time. Of course this is good, but the main thing is that this does not spill over into the new Karabakh war ...
    1. trenitron
      trenitron 8 June 2013 07: 09 New
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      So it is precisely for this that I think and reinforces. The defense budget of Azerbaijan is about 3 billion. dollars, and Armenia about 400 million dollars. Therefore, I do not see anything good in this, because another hotbed of tension near the borders of the Russian Federation is not needed
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      2. Orel
        Orel 8 June 2013 07: 37 New
        +3
        Strong Azerbaijan is a plus for Russia in the Caucasus. In general, strong Transcaucasian republics (excluding Georgia) are beneficial to Russia. No matter how we are friends with Iran, it is gaining strength and it also needs to be carefully restrained and persuaded to cooperate. And about Karabakh, I would like to hope that our diplomacy is not in vain getting its funding. By and large, it’s dangerous to freeze the conflict and it’s dangerous further, it is necessary to solve it, well, at least divide this Karabakh in half or something.
        1. trenitron
          trenitron 8 June 2013 07: 43 New
          16
          Well, I don’t argue about strong Armenia, but I’m ready to argue about strong Azerbaijan, which is building its policy with an eye on NATO’s Turkey. Azerbaijan has repeatedly expressed plans for a military solution to the Karabakh issue. And the Russian Federation, consider the CSTO's ties to Armenia ... so what’s profitable if the Russian Federation gets involved in a local war that threatens to escalate into a large-scale conflict
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 8 June 2013 09: 44 New
            -6
            here is Strong Armenia and the CSTO ........ smile
            1. trenitron
              trenitron 8 June 2013 10: 00 New
              17
              X ... nya complete, a bunch of scumbags on the paper whatman wrote, this is far from the position of Armenia. Link please! Won from our country made Azerbaijan on the example of Gabala
              1. xetai9977
                xetai9977 8 June 2013 10: 12 New
                0
                I will disappoint you. Here is a quote from an Armenian website: "Armenia will live without Russia, but Russia will not live without Armenia" Don't believe me? www / armenianreport.com / pubs / 60368.
                1. trenitron
                  trenitron 8 June 2013 10: 16 New
                  +4
                  Well, I read an article about Kurginyan and his visit to Armenia .... then what?
                  1. xetai9977
                    xetai9977 8 June 2013 10: 21 New
                    +1
                    If in your opinion the phrase "Armenia will live without Russia, and Russia will not live without Armenia" is normal, then I have no words.
                    1. trenitron
                      trenitron 8 June 2013 10: 32 New
                      13
                      Name the paragraph of the article where it is written about. She is open in front of me. Secondly, even someone even said this, this is not the official position of the Armenian state. Thirdly, I have no words about the position of Azerbaijan on Gabala. And in the fourth, I come from a hereditary family, where almost all the men were military. So my uncle in Azerbaijan served in Soviet times. So now he asks what happened to Azerbaijan. So I address his question to you?
                      1. xetai9977
                        xetai9977 8 June 2013 10: 54 New
                        +3
                        The latest sentence. Read carefully. And to your question, what happened to Azerbaijan ... Nothing. Apart from the fact that we have chopped off 20% of the territory, and we are going to return it, and some of the citizens of our northern neighbor for some reason react nervously to this. By the way, answering your own words, this is not an official position of Russia. Russia recognizes Karabakh as territory Azerbaijan.
                      2. trenitron
                        trenitron 8 June 2013 12: 52 New
                        +4
                        Yes, you're right. I read it, but it absolutely does not mean anything. I believe that everyone will remain in their own opinion. The Karabakh issue really needs to be somehow solved, but it’s for sure not in a military way. The Caucasus is already extremely heated, so there’s no need to militarize it
                      3. xetai9977
                        xetai9977 8 June 2013 13: 14 New
                        +1
                        Do you think Armenia will peacefully return the occupied territories? Of course, that would be ideal, but something is not believed.
                      4. trenitron
                        trenitron 8 June 2013 13: 19 New
                        +4
                        Of course, she will hardly return it peacefully, but you, too, I think you will not decide on a new war. Everything will be in limbo
                      5. xetai9977
                        xetai9977 8 June 2013 13: 28 New
                        +1
                        The future will tell. Everything depends on the situation.
                      6. Blackgrifon
                        Blackgrifon 8 June 2013 22: 16 New
                        +5
                        I agree, but in response to your comments, I would like to note (it seems to me) that Russia does not benefit from the defeat of Armenia - here are cultural and economic ties, BUT the main thing is the 102nd RBD - an advanced outpost of defense in this direction. And if the Russian government abandons Armenia, all this can be forgotten.
                      7. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 8 June 2013 22: 38 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Blackgrifon
                        . And if the Russian government abandons Armenia, all this can be forgotten.

                        Armenia is already so dependent on Russia that it’s nowhere to fall in love with Russia !!
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 8 June 2013 11: 21 New
            +6
            everything is fine with baku hi smile cash reserves of 60 billion dollars. Russia is our strategic partner .....
            Today, on the day of the 214th anniversary of the birth of the great Russian poet Alexander Sergeyevich Pushkin, a solemn meeting and concert with the participation of schoolchildren was held in Pushkin Square in Baku.


            According to Vesti.Az, the rally was opened by Tatyana Kerimova, chairman of the Commonwealth of the Peoples of Azerbaijan Republican Society. Further, Vladimir Dorokhin, Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of Russia to Azerbaijan, congratulated everyone on a significant day.


            “Pushkin’s poetry has such a unique property as the unification of people,” he noted with satisfaction. It helps Russia and Azerbaijan to strengthen cultural ties. He further noted the great interest in Azerbaijan in the study of the Russian language. This is a testament to the spiritual community of our two peoples, ”he emphasized.
          3. Yarbay
            Yarbay 8 June 2013 12: 47 New
            -2
            Quote: trenitron
            . Thirdly, I have no words about the position of Azerbaijan on Gabala.

            And what is incomprehensible ???
            Quote: trenitron
            So my uncle in Azerbaijan served in Soviet times.

            http://khodjaly.az/xocali_ru.html
            http://1news.az/interview/20100227110921372.html
            Quote: trenitron
            And in the fourth I’m from a hereditary family,

            I also!!
            Quote: trenitron
            So now he asks what happened to Azerbaijan

            What happened???
            That is, you will be in union with our enemy, and then wonder what became of us ???
          4. Gari
            Gari 8 June 2013 12: 50 New
            +9
            The 102nd Russian military base is one of the most important objects of Russia's geopolitical presence in the Caucasus, one of the main components of Russian-Armenian relations.
            The base is located in the city of Gyumri (Armenia), 126 kilometers north of the capital of the republic - the city of Yerevan.
            Next to military base 102 is the 8th town quarter. Families of military personnel live in the quarter - about 2 Russians and 500 Armenians.
            The base is equipped with S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems and MiG-29 fighters. The agreement on the operation of the base was concluded for a period of 25 years and was extended for another 49 years (until 2044). 102 the base is deployed in the Republic of Armenia without monetary compensation.
          5. Gari
            Gari 8 June 2013 12: 53 New
            +4
            Russia continued to lead in the list of Armenia’s largest foreign trade partners with 27,9% of the total structure. Such a picture is caused not only by traditional close trade and economic ties between Armenia and Russia or the world's largest Armenian diaspora in Russia. Including investments in the largest, backbone organizations of Armenia with the participation of Russian capital: ArmRosgazprom CJSC, South Caucasus Railway CJSC, RAOEES, telecommunications operators Beeline, MTS, VTB banks, Gazprom banks, insurance companies, Rossgostrah, , JSC "South Caucasian Railway" and so on. In total, according to statistics, about 1250 companies with the participation of Russian capital operate in Armenia. However, they all have one thing in common - it is convenient and profitable for Russian capital to work in Armenia. On the other hand, Russian capital enjoys the political support of the leadership of the two countries.
          6. Gari
            Gari 8 June 2013 13: 01 New
            +6
            And here are the Russian universities in Armenia,
            Russian-Armenian (Slavic) University
            Armenian Institute of Tourism - a branch of the Russian International Academy of Tourism
            Yerevan branch of the Institute of Business and Law
            Yerevan branch of the International Academy of Entrepreneurship
            Yerevan branch of Moscow State University of Service
            Yerevan branch of Moscow State University of Economics, Statistics and Informatics (MESI)
            Branch of Moscow State University of Printing Arts in Abovyan (Republic of Armenia)
            Branch of Moscow New Law Institute in Yerevan (Republic of Armenia)
            Branch of the Russian State Vocational Pedagogical University in Yerevan
            Branch of the St. Petersburg Institute of Foreign Economic Relations, Economics and Law in Yerevan, Republic of Armenia

            Well, the fact that everyone understands the Russian language, everywhere everything is written in and at government offices in Russian
            and history in Armenia has not been rewritten, no one calls Russia and Russian occupiers, unlike our neighbors, they were brothers and allies and remained them !!!
            And in the photo 10 illiterate Amerov grantosos
          7. xetai9977
            xetai9977 8 June 2013 13: 26 New
            -4
            And here is another example of the attitude of the Armenian "brothers" to Russia and to the Russians. Here Russia is also "sick, and a colossus with feet of clay, as well as ... alcoholics and drug addicts." .. link - www.armenianreport.com / pubs / 60454
          8. Russ69
            Russ69 8 June 2013 13: 31 New
            +9
            Quote: xetai9977
            And here is another example of the attitude of the Armenian "brothers" to Russia and to the Russians. Here Russia is also "sick, and a colossus with feet of clay, as well as ... alcoholics and drug addicts." .. link - www.armenianreport.com / pubs / 60454

            do not judge by the remarks of some marginals about the whole country. If you selectively read our press and blogs, you may get the impression that we ourselves hate ourselves ...
          9. xetai9977
            xetai9977 8 June 2013 13: 37 New
            0
            "some marginals" make up the majority there. I would not give examples if some here would not swear in "eternal friendship with the Russians"
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      3. smersh70
        smersh70 8 June 2013 13: 41 New
        -1
        dear friend, no one here talks about your relationship .... here is a completely different story ............ hi
      4. Predskazamus
        Predskazamus 30 June 2013 02: 53 New
        0
        Well, no problem. It’s possible to exist there without you as well))))) 00All the Azerbaijan Lands are restored, right up to IRAVAN. And Baku undertakes to maintain all the bases in this area)))))))
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 8 June 2013 13: 40 New
      0
      they gave everything away, but something was left for you ....... from strategic enterprises .... smile
  2. smersh70
    smersh70 8 June 2013 13: 39 New
    -1
    Under the Treaty, this base protects the territorial integrity of Armenia .... and it has nothing to do with the former NKAR., we are not going to attack Armenia, but simply to free 20% of the territory from occupiers within the borders internationally recognized by the UN .... .. hi so your info is out of place here .......
  3. Gooch
    Gooch 8 June 2013 13: 39 New
    +1
    All this is great and wonderful, but I just doubt that it will become easier for people living in Armenia from airplanes and rocketry, Armenia is a soap bubble that will surely burst sooner or later, if Sargsyan withdraws from power affairs, Armenia has already become more a business than a state, on the idea of ​​"Free Artsakh" a lot of ratings, finances, and various benefits were knocked out for those who actually promoted this idea. The Armenians to whom I take off my hat, and listen to their works with pleasure, and deeply respect them, these are Jivan Gasparyan and Serzh Tankyan, the latter, by the way, not so long ago, wrote a letter to Serzh Sargsyan personally and I agree with his words 90% - http: / /tankian.ru/serj-tankian-otkrytoe-pismo-serzhu-sargsyanu.html
  4. xetai9977
    xetai9977 8 June 2013 13: 50 New
    -2
    By the way, this jivan gasparyan is a minor plagiarist. He gives out A. Tagiyev's work "sən gəlməz oldun", written in the 70s (the song became famous in Russia thanks to Sogdiana "Remember me") for the "Armenian masterpiece".
  5. Gooch
    Gooch 8 June 2013 13: 59 New
    +4
    Quote: xetai9977
    By the way, this jivan gasparyan is a minor plagiarist. He gives out A. Tagiyev's work "sən gəlməz oldun", written in the 70s (the song became famous in Russia thanks to Sogdiana "Remember me") for the "Armenian masterpiece".

    what I didn’t know, only right now I found the original 67 year O_O on the Internet, he certainly doesn’t have anything against Armenians of culture, art, science, and Gasparyan, in any case, knows the instrument very well, I listen with pleasure wink Now I began to understand that it’s better not to divide culture into nationality, of course I was surprised that this song turned out to be 67 years old, it really pleases her, since this composition of Tagiyev is respectful to him! for it is really a masterpiece!
  6. xetai9977
    xetai9977 8 June 2013 14: 17 New
    0
    And you listen to Alikhan Samedov .... Not a single gaspar suits him well.
  7. Gooch
    Gooch 8 June 2013 14: 23 New
    0
    Quote: xetai9977
    And you listen to Alikhan Samedov .... Not a single gaspar suits him well.

    Already listened to a couple, download albums, useful topics) I did not know that in Azerbaijan Duduk is called Balaban, in the XNUMXst century BC they already did such things!
  8. smersh70
    smersh70 8 June 2013 14: 42 New
    -2
    hi Thanks Gooch !!!!! next time you listen to them, so immediately write on the internet, 99% of the songs of Armenians are whistled with us .....
  9. smersh70
    smersh70 8 June 2013 20: 42 New
    0
    On June 2, a funny holiday Vardaton was held in Georgia. As you understand by name, this funny holiday, which is translated into Russian as “rose festival”, refers to the Armenians. A man who ended the “Rose Revolution”, the Prime Minister of Georgia Bidzina Ivanishvili, also took part in this holiday. He congratulated the Armenians on this purely Armenian holiday. And this holiday was dedicated to the purely Armenian poet Sayat-Nova, who sang mainly Turkic ashug songs. Notably different. The Armenians on stage sang an Armenian song. In any case, the Armenians presented Ivanishvili this song as their own. And he believed. However, one cannot judge the Georgian billionaire too harshly. Well, how does he know that the music of this “Armenian” song belongs to the brilliant Azerbaijani composer Uzeir Hajibeyov? But we know that this “Armenian” song is nothing but the Azerbaijani song “Çırpınırdı Qara dəniz” to the words of Ahmed Javad.

    We have a saying: "fornication and theft for 40 days." In this case, less than 4 days have passed since the theft in Armenian has been exposed.

    I remember that Gleb Zheglov said: "A thief should be in prison." But how did he know that the thieves would have their own criminal state. And these thieves are so bred all over the world that you cannot transplant everyone
    http://vesti.az/news/161193
  10. Our
    Our 2 January 2014 22: 23 New
    +2
    there is one.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 8 June 2013 11: 23 New
    -1
    The full text of the message of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin to the participants of the Fourth Russian-Azerbaijani interregional forum "Russia-Azerbaijan: interregional dialogue-2013" in Volgograd has been published. “It is gratifying that the holding of such large-scale events, bringing together representatives of government bodies, business circles, public organizations, experts and journalists from Russia and Azerbaijan, has become a good tradition, a significant event in the life of both countries,” the message says. Interregional cooperation is an essential factor in the development of relations of constructive partnership and good neighborliness, the letter of the President of Russia emphasizes. “Active ties between the Russian and Azerbaijani regions, their implementation of joint projects in the field of energy, transport, education, information and mass communications contribute to further unlocking the potential of national economies. Such contacts are also very important for deepening mutual trust and understanding between our peoples, ”the message says.

    Details: http://1news.az/politics/20130607053130623.html
  • smersh70
    smersh70 8 June 2013 11: 51 New
    0
    The news that the “Union of Armenians of Russia” appealed to the Department of Education and Science of the Krasnodar Territory with a proposal to introduce the chapter on local Armenians into the subject “Kuban Studies” in schools, has already caused discontent among local residents. Quite eloquently about this proposal were expressed by users of the Internet diary of the Krasnodar Territory "Living Kuban" (http://www.livekuban.ru/node/209217). I would like to take this opportunity to cite a part of outraged statements (spelling and original text preserved): “Ara, brother, [censorship] go to Yerevan and learn whatever you want, and in the Kuban you and your descendants will only study the history of Russia”; “And can a separate course be introduced - Armenian studies?”; “Something that reminds. So it was in Karabakh, and in Kosovo. First they come, then they settle, breed, and now - there are a lot of us, let us all! ”; “And recognize the Armenian language as the second (better first) state language in Sochi (better in the Kuban)!”; “Armenia is a beautiful country, there are so few indigenous people there, and there is a lot of space and it is not necessary to learn history. Live for yourself and rejoice! ”; “You gentlemen, apparently, have never been to Rostov. Armenians live there a long time ago - there is a whole Armenian region - Nakhichevan.
    It is easy to assume that already after 20-30 years (and even earlier, given the fertility of the Armenians), the inhabitants of Russia will be able to read with surprise the emergency message: "Yesterday, the regional parliament unanimously decided to separate the region from Russia and declare independence of the Krasnodar-Armenian Republic." If necessary, they will find "a mass grave of Armenians destroyed by the Cossacks, both in tsarist and Soviet times in Krasnodar", and they will also point to the chapters of "Kubanology", telling "about the historical lands of Armenians in southern Russia."

    Then the OSCE Minsk Group will be needed by Russia itself ...
  • Rustiger
    Rustiger 8 June 2013 11: 59 New
    +4
    Quote: xetai9977
    Armenia will live without Russia, but Russia will not live without Armenia "Don't believe me?

    Then convey to them our words - "We believe, we believe... Calm down, patient. Now our doctor will come (G.G. Onishchenko) and she will shoot you with your beloved aminazinchik (brandy will prohibit). And like" rodents ", after 2 of the year, you will walk from Yerevan to the Kremlin, swearing your love and loyalty to Russia. "
  • Babon
    Babon 8 June 2013 14: 31 New
    0
    Something my provider is blocking your link, what seriously wrote this? Armenia is in the economic blockade from Turkey and Azerbaijan, and I, naive, thought that if it weren’t for Russia, then Armenia would have been at least in the Middle Ages, and at least 60-80% of the population would have left from there, since it’s real there it would be impossible to live.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 8 June 2013 14: 41 New
      -2
      Yes, that’s what they write. I just chose 2 at random.
  • Blackgrifon
    Blackgrifon 8 June 2013 22: 11 New
    +3
    Quote: xetai9977
    I will disappoint you. Here is a quote from an Armenian website: "Armenia will live without Russia, but Russia will not live without Armenia" Don't believe me? www / armenianreport.com / pubs / 60368.


    Haha :) The one who wrote this is clearly a big fan of Afghan products or receives a "separate salary" - with all due respect to Armenia and its inhabitants, but they will not be able to withstand on equal terms, without the participation of a third party, Azerbaijan - the ratio by number l / s and equipment disproportionate.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 8 June 2013 11: 18 New
    -3
    .... still for dessert .........
    and about Gabala, we buy weapons from you at world prices ... we bought 1.6 billion dollars only last year, and you, for the rent of Gabala, 7 million dollars, the price of the Bugatti-fan .... so brother .. honestly ............. and who already Russia itself had long wanted to leave, the station was old and also built in Voronezh .... just recently, Putin opened it seems. that whatever is done is for the better ......... hi
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 8 June 2013 11: 26 New
      -2
      This is a photo of a picket in Yerevan
    2. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 8 June 2013 12: 40 New
      10
      Quote: smersh70
      ... still for your dessert .........
      Interestingly, you gave an example with posters, one from Armenia, the other from Azerbaijan, but the posters are written with one hand and even the mistakes are the same: the letter "I" has a tilt of the wand to the other side (the person who wrote, did not really learn Russian).
      1. Gari
        Gari 8 June 2013 13: 03 New
        +6
        Quote: Bad_gr
        Interestingly, you gave an example with posters, one from Armenia, the other from Azerbaijan, but the posters are written with one hand and even the mistakes are the same: the letter "I" has a tilt of the wand to the other side (the person who wrote, did not really learn Russian).

        Not a single word about correctly written
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 8 June 2013 13: 43 New
          -6
          so YOU ​​have so many universities, learn to write correctly! as VIL said, to study, study and study again !!!!!!!!! hi
          1. Gari
            Gari 8 June 2013 13: 56 New
            +4
            Quote: smersh70
            so YOU ​​have so many universities, learn to write correctly! as VIL said, to study, study and study again !!!!!!!!!

            It’s not for you to teach me to read and write, all the more so the Russian University. More precisely, I graduated from the Soviet University a long time ago.
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 8 June 2013 13: 34 New
        -6
        And where does literacy come from if all Russian schools were closed in Armenia. I don’t know how now, but a few years ago, except for the families of Russian military personnel, there were definitely no others.
        1. Gari
          Gari 8 June 2013 13: 59 New
          +6
          At the dawn of independence, Russian schools were closed by patriots. Like you, but then they opened, and in Armenian schools in-depth training of the Great and mighty Russian language.
          1. Predskazamus
            Predskazamus 30 June 2013 03: 07 New
            -1
            Vasilin old man Vasilin)))))))))))))))
        2. teodorh
          teodorh 8 June 2013 15: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: xetai9977
          And where will literacy come from if all Russian schools were closed in Armenia.


          If a person does not know Russian, is he a priori not literate? What nonsense.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 8 June 2013 16: 26 New
            0
            Quote: teodorh
            If a person does not know Russian, is he a priori not literate? What nonsense.

            The above is about the Russian language!
        3. lelikas
          lelikas 8 June 2013 23: 12 New
          0
          Quote: xetai9977
          And where will literacy come from?

          and in google translator they also banned them?
      3. smersh70
        smersh70 8 June 2013 13: 42 New
        -3
        laughing laughing my friend, these pictures are from the same country, I can also send the letter AND -WHERE ALWAYS WRITTEN LIKE !!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Gari
    Gari 8 June 2013 12: 29 New
    +7
    Quote: trenitron
    X ... nya complete, a bunch of scumbags on the paper whatman wrote, this is far from the position of Armenia. Link please! Won from our country made Azerbaijan on the example of Gabala

    Interview with Prime Minister of Armenia Tigran Sargsyan April 04, 2012

    Yerevan may give the green light to the construction of a Russian radar station in Armenia if Moscow and Baku do not agree on the terms of the Gabala radar lease, Armenian Prime Minister Tigran Sargsyan said in an interview with Kommersant

    “Why not?” The head of the Armenian government said.

    According to him, everything is under discussion. “If our territory is of such interest, then we are ready to discuss this issue. I think that there may even be advantages, since Armenia is a mountainous country. Coverage may be wider, ”Sargsyan said.

    Mount Aragats altitude 4090 meters, well, geographical location
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 8 June 2013 13: 45 New
      -5
      so build !!!!! and flag YOU in your hands !!!!!!! by the way, but what happened then, you did not ask Tigran Sargsyan ...... laughing
      did the military-political leadership and the leadership of the State Planning Commission not know about this when it built this station in Gabala in 1984 ....
      oh yes, Gorbachev wasn’t in power yet ........
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 8 June 2013 12: 39 New
    -5
    Quote: trenitron
    X ... nya complete, a bunch of scumbags on the paper whatman wrote, this is far from the position of Armenia. Link please!

    You do not mind such a reference ??
    http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?showtopic=14923&st=3800&p=909007&#entry90900
    7


    http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?showtopic=41969&st=1250&p=926813&#entry92681
    3

    Russians are a source for Hitler, not a man for a European, and for an American, why should this Russian be something special for an Armenian?
    http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?showtopic=41969&st=1550&p=934158&#entry93415
    8
    1. escobar
      escobar 8 June 2013 13: 02 New
      +8
      Azerbaijanis here are solid law-makers. One can see even by selection, by phrases, etc. Looks like Aliyev was closely engaged (before the next invasion) driving a wedge between Armenia and Russia, at least in public opinion. Let the Turks go to bow to their emirate. They cut off the stars once, not enough? When can you not return Karabakh.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 8 June 2013 13: 26 New
        -2
        Quote: escobar
        Looks like Aliyev was closely engaged (before the next invasion) driving a wedge between Armenia and Russia, at least in public opinion

        But what does Aliyev have to do with Che? Are you increasing its influence on the general opinion on the Karabakh problem ?? I generally grew up in St. Petersburg outside the media space of Azerbaijan. I just know everything perfectly both Armenians and Russia. If not for Aliyev, the anti-Armenian and anti-Russian component it would roll over. With all the reasons, Russia supports the occupier, but Aliyev does not give in and holds back such sentiments. Therefore, Russia needs to solve this problem until the radical Islamic state hates Russia, because the Aliyev era is not eternal, but considering how the radical currents of Islam are spreading, having in their neighbors a religious Iran and North Caucasian Wahhabism, the chances are very high.
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 8 June 2013 13: 32 New
        -2
        Quote: escobar
        It can be seen even by selection, by phrases, etc.

        oh, what kind of people))))))))
        long time no see))))))))
        Where did you go? I haven’t seen you for almost a year !!)))
        Quote: escobar
        They grabbed the stars a little, a little?

        Remember how I got stars from me here?))))
        The most important provocator you are))) then, due to the fact that you gave me warnings with a starship !!))
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 8 June 2013 13: 49 New
          -1
          Comrade Judge !!!!!!!!! and he cannot sit laughing
      3. xetai9977
        xetai9977 8 June 2013 13: 43 New
        -1
        eskobar Miley, how do we drive a wedge between Armenia and Russia? LINK TO THE SAME SITES OF ARMENIA? or publishing photos from a picket in front of the Russian embassy in Yerevan?
      4. smersh70
        smersh70 8 June 2013 13: 48 New
        -3
        and it came out under the Ukrainian flag !!!!!! when you didn’t have a liter of gas in the car in 1996, we gave you it without a single percentage ......... ashamed, my friend ....
      5. Gooch
        Gooch 8 June 2013 13: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: escobar
        Azerbaijanis here are solid law-makers. One can see even by selection, by phrases, etc. Looks like Aliyev was closely engaged (before the next invasion) driving a wedge between Armenia and Russia, at least in public opinion. Let the Turks go to bow to their emirate. They cut off the stars once, not enough? When can you not return Karabakh.

        For example, in my city, the whole world of crime is purely Armenians, even the Armenian punks have already lived according to "concepts" since the age of 13, and thinks not how to draw letters on the posters correctly, or read a book somewhere, but how to find someone somewhere * bang, pin up, dissolve, steal, etc. and so on, gentlemen from wealthy families are especially surprising, even from school I noticed this, everything is there, parents and a car, and an apartment, and a place in the institute, they still pull, for fraud, extortion, is this a way of life? or a state of mind? how many Armenians are among the Thieves in the Law? 50-60 percent offhand, are Azerbaijanis to blame for this? Or in Russia, according to the concepts, have now begun to live?
      6. Gari
        Gari 8 June 2013 14: 01 New
        +4
        Quote: escobar
        Azerbaijanis here are solid law-makers. One can see even by selection, by phrases, etc. Looks like Aliyev was closely engaged (before the next invasion) driving a wedge between Armenia and Russia, at least in public opinion. Let the Turks go to bow to their emirate. They cut off the stars once, not enough? When can you not return Karabakh.

        Everything is correctly noticed, I have been watching this on this site for a long time, it will not work
      7. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 8 June 2013 16: 01 New
        -1
        Quote: escobar
        Azerbaijanis here are solid law-makers


        If the Armenians did not write in an article about Azerbaijan, there would have been no provocation! SO THINK WHO A PROVOCATOR! The provocateurs here are only Armenians, envious of the success of Azerbaijan!
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 8 June 2013 22: 28 New
          +4
          For centuries, I can’t understand one thing: Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Ugrians, Mordovians, Tatars, Armenians, Georgians, Azerbaijanis, Tajiks and Kyrgyz, etc. lived more or less in peace in one single rich country - the Russian Empire, the USSR - what happened to us if we are now ready to break each other's throats?
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 9 June 2013 01: 09 New
            0
            Quote: Blackgrifon
            For centuries, I can’t understand one thing: Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Ugrians, Mordovians, Tatars, Armenians, Georgians, Azerbaijanis, Tajiks and Kyrgyz, etc. lived more or less in peace in one single rich country - the Russian Empire, the USSR - what happened to us if we are now ready to break each other's throats?

            It was artificial, everyone was afraid of the all-seeing eye of the KGB. The KGB didn’t creep out all the quiet conflicts in one moment. Now leave Russia from the North Caucasus and see what happens. The Ingush and Ossetians will mate and the Chechens will help them. etc. There, such a boom will begin that we are all Caucasians, we Dagestanis will all disappear in an instant.
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  • RPD
    RPD 8 June 2013 12: 28 New
    +1
    yes literate ugly. rumors about rooks' special talents are greatly exaggerated
  • Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 8 June 2013 12: 36 New
    +3
    provocation
  • Army1
    Army1 8 June 2013 13: 18 New
    12
    Dear Azerbaijanis, I’ll ask you not to litter this site with stupid provocations, you look more like children. I understand your enmity with Armenia, but ask them what, what you, bad ones and both. The article on modernizing the tank, great, each state wants to strengthen its forces, but do not write or throw pictures where the Armenians or Azerbaijanis wrote: Russia @@ but, what now are all like that? I hope you understood me correctly!
    With respect.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 8 June 2013 13: 51 New
      -2
      so these same tanks are not just being modernized ..... we spend so much money, but we could spend on roads, hospitals, and the development of the region where Armenians live ..... we are aiming to show that where huge money.!!!!!!!! hi
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 8 June 2013 23: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: smersh70
        .we spend so much money, but could spend on roads

        We spend it both on tanks and on roads - as a result, we upgraded 72yku according to the cheapest option, and we need to repair the roads again after half a year .......
      2. Predskazamus
        Predskazamus 30 June 2013 03: 15 New
        0
        who is so minus you)))))
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 8 June 2013 14: 00 New
      -1
      what is provocation? if someone writes fables, yes, but if links from sites are cited, then no. Do not be like an ostrich who DOES NOT WANT TO SEE that all the tales about "Armenian-Russian friendship" were put into circulation by the Armenians themselves in their own interests.
      1. Gari
        Gari 8 June 2013 14: 09 New
        +4
        Igor Korotchenko, editor-in-chief of the Russian National Defense magazine, director of the World Arms Trade Analysis Center, confirmed the fact of new deliveries of Russian weapons to Armenia.
        “The planned universal modernization of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation fully affects facilities both on the territory of the Russian Federation itself and beyond. This fully applies to the 102nd Russian military base in Gyumri. ” He stated this on May 30, “Regnum”, commenting on previously disseminated information that “Iskander-M” operational-tactical missile systems (OTRK) and “Tornado-G” multiple launch rocket systems would arrive in Armenia.
        He emphasized that this, in particular, is about the modernization of military facilities and the supply of new types of weapons, the repair of existing ones, and the updating of the long-range strategic and non-strategic air defense systems that are in service with the Armenian Armed Forces.
        “Armenia, like, say, Belarus, is a strategic partner of Russia, a friendly country, and a geopolitical ally in the region. Moscow pays special attention to partnership with Yerevan, including in the military-political sphere, which, among other things, is a factor of stability in the region in the South Caucasus. Russia is interested in stability in the South Caucasus and does not want military action along the perimeter of its state border, ”Korotchenko noted, adding that, as part of military-political cooperation, Russia will“ take care ”of its base in Armenia, contribute to the modernization of the Armenian Armed Forces and create for this condition, as well as supply arms to the partner at preferential prices.
        1. Gari
          Gari 8 June 2013 14: 11 New
          +3
          Answering the question of how the development of military-political cooperation between Russia and Armenia in neighboring Azerbaijan can be regarded, Igor Korotchenko stated the following:
          “Baku can react as it pleases. It is important for us how we understand our contacts with Armenia. We will not forget that thanks to the “practical” policy of Baku, Russia lost a radar station in Azerbaijan.
          We were squeezed out from there under the pretext of the need to increase the rent, while naming a fabulous amount. They squeezed us out, and we left. At the same time, Russia is not going to take revenge, not revenge - Baku had the right that he took advantage of. Russia has the right to remember this globally, geopolitically. ”
          With Armenia, Korotchenko recalled, Russia has no such problems. “Relations with Armenia are very important for us and are one of Russia's military priorities, including as a factor of stability. They are developing in absolute accordance with the logic of bilateral relations in the post-Soviet period.
          Armenia is one of the most important allies of Russia, and that’s it, ”said the source.
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 8 June 2013 14: 52 New
          -4
          you want to free Russian weapons ........ but to work, earn and give money for weapons, which ultimately will fall to a Russian pensioner, kindergarten ..... fool
          love all the time for free .........
    3. Gari
      Gari 8 June 2013 14: 05 New
      +4
      Quote: Army1
      Dear Azerbaijanis, I’ll ask you not to litter this site with stupid provocations

      As you see, who started the first one, I didn’t even think of getting in, I thought about the tank, that there were new ones on the T-72, our “peace-loving” neighbors, and there they again set up anti-Armenian srach
      1. Gooch
        Gooch 8 June 2013 14: 12 New
        -4
        Quote: Gari
        As you see, who started the first one, I didn’t even think of getting in, I thought about the tank, that there were new ones on the T-72, our “peace-loving” neighbors, and there they again set up anti-Armenian srach

        Everything is in order, you still tell me, they attempted to assassinate you through the site through the means of genocide, in order to increase the effect
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 8 June 2013 14: 55 New
        -3
        my friend, this T-72 tank is actually created in order to shoot .and shoot at the enemy, the most ancient, who occupied foreign land ... he is not a toy ..... he is alive ...
        so that there is no need to read - it’s better to go through the anti-tank run-in, you may need ..... laughing .
  • Gooch
    Gooch 8 June 2013 13: 43 New
    -2
    Quote: smersh70
    here is Strong Armenia and the CSTO ........ smile

    Strength, such strength ..
    This is called insanity:


    And this is called the layout:


    What does a fire bucket cone at the tip of a rocket?


    What's? Why not ErAZ? why is it worse?


  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 9 June 2013 02: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: smersh70
    here is Strong Armenia and the CSTO ........ smile


    And what's so strange? For American money, some stupid citizens of the former Soviet republics will make this inscription in the form of a tattoo around the anus ... it would be strange if such posters did not come across, I would be very tense - either America disappeared or people became decent ... both options are not yet available.
  • teodorh
    teodorh 8 June 2013 13: 35 New
    +8
    I want to note that Armenia is a member of the CSTO but not Karabakh. In the event of hostilities in Karabakh, the collective security treaty does not apply. For Karabakh is part of Azerbaijan. Should Armenia come into conflict with Azerbaijan in Karabakh. This is their own business. And referring to the CSTO is not legally justified.
  • Very old
    Very old 8 June 2013 08: 18 New
    +9
    Like it or not, Azerbaijan is the son of Turkey. The Armenians remember the 1916 genocide; the Armenian Van, Mount Ararat, where are they? Az rests on the principle of integrity, i.e. Karabakh is mine. But it has long been inhabited by Armenians. Those whom the Seljuks did not cut in the 16th. This land to the border with Persia was at hand of the white king, so few refugees escaped from complete destruction. These two peoples, even with advice, did not live in peace, they simply hid hatred very deeply. Hope Az.-Turkey. Nadezhda Ar.- a huge diaspora around the world (Russia in 2nd place) Here is such a brief layout. The division is rejected by both of them. = BAKIN =
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 8 June 2013 09: 45 New
      -4
      . At one time, the Sudetenland and Kaliningrad were also settled by the Germans. And that .... so give them these lands ......... but I remembered most of the Armenians in Rostov, in Los Angeles and Krasnodar, and so on. ..........
      1. ultra
        ultra 8 June 2013 10: 40 New
        10
        Quote: smersh70
        Krasnodar most Armenians

        Do not write nonsense !!! negative
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 8 June 2013 11: 31 New
          0
          And now, another element of the expansion of Armenians in the Krasnodar Territory arrived. The fact is that the “Union of Armenians of Russia” appealed to the head of the Department for Education and Science of the Sochi Administration Olga Medvedeva and the head of the Department of Education and Science of the Krasnodar Territory Tatyana Khlopova with a proposal to make additions to the subject “Kuban Studies”. And not some, but topics that tell about the history of the settlement of the Krasnodar Territory by Armenians !? The appeal was compiled by the chairman of the “Union of Armenians of Russia” branch of the Lazarevsky district of Sochi, Varuzhan Dzykonyan.
          Thus, the Armenians strive to introduce a separate chapter about themselves, dear ones, into school textbooks. At the same time, in their appeal, they directly indicate that today in the territory of the Krasnodar Territory the Armenians are already the second largest ethnic group after the Russians. It is well known that the Armenians do not have a sense of modesty, which they once again demonstrated in their appeal to the Department of Education and Science of the Krasnodar Territory: “Armenians of the Krasnodar Territory cannot be attributed to the so-called migrant minorities, that is, formed during the life of the current generation. Most of them are not migrants - these people were born in the Kuban, and the ancestors of many of them were among the pioneers of the Kuban. They, like the Russians, Ukrainians, Germans, Assyrians and many others, are typical "faces of the Kuban nationality."

          It should be noted that the mechanism of creeping Armenianization of the southern regions of Russia was voiced even in the appeal of the Catholicos of all Armenians in 1988, which is given in the book “Fate” by G. Shakhnazarov (p. 50-52 in Armenian): “It’s not a secret that our lands are not all ours, but the time will come to conquer and settle them. Over the past 40 years, Armenians have occupied the lands of their ancestors. There are 60% of them. "The lands in Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories are gradually being freed from Russian influence."

          It is no coincidence that today the Armenian diaspora in Russia is most active precisely in the Stavropol and Krasnodar territories. Without exaggeration, the Armenians of the Krasnodar Territory feel like masters here. Even the soft attempts of local authorities to establish an elementary order in the field of illegal migration run into a well-functioning mechanism of “resistance” of the Armenian community. This is not to say that the authorities of the southern regions of Russia do not understand the impending danger. Former Governor of the Krasnodar Territory, and now a member of the Federation Council Nikolay Ignatovich Kondratenko, has repeatedly stated that “50% of children in Adler’s schools are Armenians. The Russians are losing Adler. ” Once, at a meeting of the Federation Council, N. Kondratenko bitterly noted: “Who buys land in the Krasnodar Territory is Armenians, Armenians, Armenians. Russians do not buy. They are not solvent. ”

          The mayor of the city of Abinsk, Yuri Serdyuk, went even further in his worries about the Armenian expansion in the Krasnodar Territory: “These people have no feelings except love for money and for their relatives. I do not want to comply with the laws that make Armenia out of the Kuban. Do you think they live by law? They live according to their Armenian concepts, they have only one constitution - so that the Armenians feel good. Now Armenians are growing up young people who behave infinitely in general. Therefore, let them not be offended that we, too, are concepts. Here you have to act like in a war. Or we, or us. I have a round-the-clock operational watchman on duty. If something happens, the procedure has been worked out. 30 fighters can be put up for five minutes, and then reinforcements will come. All the proven guys in Chechnya and Kosovo served. ”
          1. ultra
            ultra 8 June 2013 12: 29 New
            +6
            The number of Armenians in the Krasnodar Territory in 2011 is slightly more than 5%! And about "they behave like this" only because We allow it, the Russians are harnessing for a long time, and it is better not to let them go, this applies not only to the Armenians! am
            1. Gari
              Gari 8 June 2013 13: 04 New
              +4
              Quote: ultra
              The number of Armenians in the Krasnodar Territory in 2011 is slightly more than 5%! And about "they behave like this" only because We allow it, the Russians are harnessing for a long time, and it is better not to let them go, this applies not only to the Armenians!

              And the Chechens, Dagestanis .....
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 8 June 2013 14: 00 New
                -4
                And this is what happens: the resettlement of Armenians to the North Caucasus is underway. Armenians are mainly resettled in the above-mentioned regions, which, we repeat, are also considered the North Caucasus. Here's what we found out on the forums. It turns out that tension is constantly growing between the ever-increasing Armenian population of the North Caucasus and other groups. In recent years, an estimated 2 million Armenians have moved to the Southern Federal District. “Take the Sochi region - peace there is strategically important in connection with the Olympics. A bomb is being laid - no one is aware, and no one is tracking the situation specifically for the Armenians. So far, if you realize what the process is going on, you can somehow correct it, or at least prepare for the inevitable explosion and predict its timing. But now the Shapsugs-Circassians, the indigenous population of the Lazorevsky district, have very tense relations with the Armenians, there are constant clashes. Circassians gather in groups and beat Armenian groups, those who try to rest in groups in the Circassian gorges, those who offend Circassians. The Russians in these clashes are, so far, the neutral side. There are no dead yet, but they can appear at any time, ”they write on the forum.
          2. fedorovith
            fedorovith 8 June 2013 23: 01 New
            -1
            Absolutely a dot.
      2. bask
        bask 8 June 2013 11: 01 New
        +9
        Quote: smersh70
        Remy Sudeten and Kaliningrad were also settled by the Germans.

        Rather, conquered by the crusaders in the 11th century.
        Prior to this, the Slavs-Prussians lived there. This is our original Russian land, why should we give it to. ???
        And in the Second World War the Nazis .. killed 25 ml of Russians, we conquered it with our blood, our land.
        Now you will recapture your Karabakh !!!
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 8 June 2013 11: 14 New
          -3
          Dear, during the Second World War, 25 million SOVIET people were killed. And Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Azerbaijanis, etc.And at the expense of our Karabakh, we will recapture it, but for some reason some part of your fellow citizens reacts nervously to this.
          1. bask
            bask 8 June 2013 12: 13 New
            +5
            Quote: xetai9977
            We’ll recapture our Karabakh’s account, but for some reason some part of your fellow citizens for some reason is a nerve

            I calmly if this is your land FIGHT.
            Quote: xetai9977
            Udets and Kaliningrad were also settled by the Germans. And what .... so give them these lands

            So we won with God's help. ALL FOR ALL IS OUR LAND !!!
            1. bezumnyiPIT
              bezumnyiPIT 8 June 2013 13: 38 New
              +1
              Not with God's help, but with the blood of our soldiers
            2. xetai9977
              xetai9977 8 June 2013 14: 27 New
              0
              I absolutely agree with you, dear Basque. EVERY STATE IS ITS TERRITORY.
          2. Rustiger
            Rustiger 8 June 2013 12: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: xetai9977
            .And at the expense of our Karabakh, we will recapture, only for some reason some part of your fellow citizens for some reason nervously reacts to this.

            Because you and the ares "your Karabakh" have already moved to the streets of OUR cities. The daily cops' reports on how well you are doing self-liquidation is a confirmation of this. Receive "well-deserved recognition". There is no need now about the "Soviet people", every year there is less and less of it (unfortunately), but we see "not Soviet", but Azerbaijani, Armenian, Tajik, Uzbek, etc. Horde!!!
            By "deeds" and judgment. ... ...
            The phrase "there is a black sheep in the family" is no longer taken seriously. ... ... hi
            1. bask
              bask 8 June 2013 12: 49 New
              +3
              Quote: Rustiger
              dim "not Soviet", but Azerbaijani, Armenian, Tajik, Uzbek, etc. ORDA !!!

              What is much more dangerous for the Russians than Batu’s trip to Russia in the 11th century !!!
              1. Rustiger
                Rustiger 8 June 2013 13: 08 New
                +2
                Sure! After all, it seems that history textbooks and scholars' studies do not say anything that the "batiyks" had tanks "pumped to the level of" Aslan " laughing
                1. bask
                  bask 8 June 2013 13: 49 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Rustiger
                  of course! After all, it seems that history textbooks and scholars' studies do not say anything that the "fathers" had

                  The most important thing was not the bestial ideology: Wahhabism.
                  These guys will not give chances to survive. We will lose to all the ax poleaxe !!!
                2. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 8 June 2013 16: 29 New
                  +2
                  Quote: bask
                  The most important thing was not the bestial ideology: Wahhabism.
                  These guys will not give chances to survive. We will lose to all the ax poleaxe !!!

                  I agree with you again !!!
              2. xetai9977
                xetai9977 8 June 2013 14: 39 New
                -4
                I did not know that Baty Khan had tanks. Thank you for enlightening. And as for the "Batyka", hardly even 200 years after his death, someone dared to treat him with disdain.
              3. Rustiger
                Rustiger 9 June 2013 00: 21 New
                +1
                Quote: xetai9977
                I didn’t know that Batu Khan had tanks. Thank you for enlightening me.

                Yes, it’s always not a pity, Rauf. fellow Here are some of them -
                1

                2

                and this one is already "pumped like Aslan" with "dynamic protection".
                3
                good yes laughing
                Tanks of antiquity ... War elephants

                http://arhivus.ru/tanki-drevnosti-boevyie-slonyi/
                http://the100.ru/military-secret/how-fight-tank-in-antiquity.html
                http://stomaster.livejournal.com/2117007.html
                Quote: xetai9977
                hardly even 200 years after his death, someone dared to treat him dismissively.

                Why so? His "tour of Russia" was in principle no different from similar ones led by Napoleon or Hitler. Here "it turned out a little more", and then only temporarily. ... ...
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          1. Rustiger
            Rustiger 8 June 2013 17: 39 New
            +5
            Glad to "see" you, respect. Stanislav! We haven't come in for a long time. ... ...
            Again in your words I see no reason for discussion, except for one thing -
            Quote: Ascetic
            The Soviet people unfortunately will leave with my generation. who is now 50 years old

            I would also add "my generation" from the "undescended" here. Those who are now between 35 and 40.
            Those who found pioneer camps with 4 meals a day for 37-45 rubles / month, yellow crumpled barrels of kvass on flat wheels, a pack of newspapers and magazines for a family that came every month, a telovizer that was "cut down" at midnight and all day broadcasting RECOGNITIONAL programs and much, much like that.
            Those who in every possible way protected themselves from the "decaying West" with the help of a powerful state machine. But the "cordon sanitaire" was removed and disputes still penetrate into the "wound of socialism", causing rotting here too.
            And I'm not a poor person at all (relative to many compatriots), but please return me the blue school uniform, the tin truck and the cockerel lollipop on a stick for 5 kopecks.
            In general, cover me and my family with "IRON CURTAIN" !!!
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 8 June 2013 17: 48 New
              +2
              Quote: Rustiger
              I would also add "my generation" from the "undescended" here. Those who are now between 35 and 40.
              Those who found pioneer camps with 4 meals a day for 37-45 rubles / month, yellow crumpled barrels of kvass on flat wheels, a pack of newspapers and magazines for a family that came every month, a telovizer that was "cut down" at midnight and all day broadcasting RECOGNITIONAL programs and much, much like that.
              Those who in every possible way protected themselves from the "decaying West" with the help of a powerful state machine. But the "cordon sanitaire" was removed and disputes still penetrate into the "wound of socialism", causing rotting here too.

              Here about that life I agree!
              Stanislav is right !!
              Alas, a broken one is hardly sticky !!
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 8 June 2013 18: 34 New
              0
              And I also remember the shortage, when I had to constantly get something, pseudo-free medicine, when in order to find a good doctor, I had to search by pull and pay, as now, the lines even in the capital, three channels with constant reports from the fields and a lie, and much, much not so rosy. The USSR was a strong and not the worst state. But honestly, stop idealizing it.
            3. smersh70
              smersh70 8 June 2013 20: 54 New
              -3
              and that too !!!!!!!!!! agreed !!!!
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 8 June 2013 20: 53 New
            +2
            [quote = Rustaiger] I would add here "my generation" from the "undescended" ones. Those who are now between 35 and 40.
            Those who found pioneer camps with 4 meals a day for 37-45 rubles / month, [/ qu
            finally agree with YOU !!!!! and about beer, too, do not forget and write drinks fellow
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    2. ultra
      ultra 8 June 2013 12: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: xetai9977
      .And at the expense of our Karabakh, we will recapture, only for some reason some part of your fellow citizens for some reason nervously reacts to this.

      First of all, Azerbaijanis react nervously, and we are mostly "on the drum"! Conquer! IMHO us that Armenia is Azerbaijan, the main interests of our Motherland! hi
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 8 June 2013 14: 48 New
        -3
        God grant that! And then a little word Karabakh - from the Russian audience - "we will use the forces of the CSTO ...."
        1. Meth
          Meth 8 June 2013 15: 08 New
          -1
          Quote: xetai9977
          God grant that! And then a little word Karabakh - from the Russian audience - "we will use the forces of the CSTO ...."

          Enough for you.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 8 June 2013 15: 28 New
            -2
            you would also remember 1 Belarusian front .... fellow
        2. trenitron
          trenitron 8 June 2013 19: 13 New
          +5
          Rauf, no one is going to use the CSTO’s forces against Azerbaijan and is not going to. It's just that no one will let this war happen. Forces can be used if your closest ally is Turkey. Decides to invade Armenia, and that's another matter
          1. Gooch
            Gooch 8 June 2013 19: 25 New
            -4
            Quote: trenitron
            Rauf, no one is going to use the CSTO’s forces against Azerbaijan and is not going to. It's just that no one will let this war happen. Forces can be used if your closest ally is Turkey. Decides to invade Armenia, and that's another matter

            There is no need to blame everything on a spherical horse in a vacuum, Turkey has nothing to do with it, there is a fact, Russia supports the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan, the West supports, even Armenia did not dare to recognize the NKR, hence the conclusion - Azerbaijan has every right to restore territorial integrity. The CSTO has nothing to do with the NKR, NATO has no relation to Azerbaijan, Turkey has no relation to the NKR. Bottom line - Azerbaijan has every moral right to start restoring order in Karabakh, the question of political will, how Russia will react, the question is different, if Russia joins, there will be retaliatory steps from Turkey, Russia will face Turkey and Turkey will take steps from NATO, everything and spin.
          2. teodorh
            teodorh 10 June 2013 15: 43 New
            -1
            Totally agree with you. Precisely outlined the situation.
        3. xetai9977
          xetai9977 8 June 2013 19: 35 New
          -2
          I am more than sure that no CSTO forces will be used. It must be understood that the occupation will not continue forever and sooner or later we will recapture Karabakh. I’m just wondering why Russia is so stubbornly pushing Azerbaijan away. It is good to be friends with a rich neighbor who always pays in cash and is always always more profitable. What prevents Russia from taking a neutral position?
        4. escobar
          escobar 8 June 2013 20: 39 New
          +1
          Mikhail Poghosyan (Design Bureau of Sukhoi) probably interferes, at least your countrymen write and assure him.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 8 June 2013 11: 33 New
    -5
    with God's help and Russian neutrality !!!!!!! smile
  • bezumnyiPIT
    bezumnyiPIT 8 June 2013 11: 38 New
    0
    Do you have 2 or 1 in geography? Prussians are the Baltic nationality. Sudetes - region in Moravia (Czech Republic) In the Sudetes there were never Prussians
    1. bask
      bask 8 June 2013 12: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: bezumnyiPIT
      Are you 2 or 1 in geography? Prussians are the Baltic nationality. Sudetenland - area in Moravia (Czech Republic)

      you are a victim of EG. I write about the Slavs !!!
      Prussians-Slavs lived in Prussia (((Baltic)).
      Czech Slavs in Moravia and Wallachia.
      What is not clear???
      1. bezumnyiPIT
        bezumnyiPIT 8 June 2013 13: 36 New
        +1
        First, the exam! Secondly, the Prussians are not Slavs!
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 8 June 2013 12: 50 New
    -1
    Quote: bask
    Now you will recapture your Karabakh !!!

    All is correct !!
    Correct words!!!
    1. bask
      bask 8 June 2013 14: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: Yarbay
      Correct words!!!

      I agree.
      If you think that your land, your people, it must be recaptured !!!
      On the situation in Russia: we still have yet to return ((I hope)) to our small homeland! Sooner or later.
  • bezumnyiPIT
    bezumnyiPIT 8 June 2013 11: 34 New
    +1
    Well, let the Karabakh Armenians live in Azerbaijan, but in Russia they live, and nothing
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 8 June 2013 12: 14 New
      0
      Quote: bezumnyiPIT
      Well, let the Karabakh Armenians live in Azerbaijan, but in Russia they live, and nothing

      and what are we, against .. let them live, but not with weapons and tanks ... but as full citizens ...
  • smersh70
    smersh70 8 June 2013 11: 54 New
    -2
    The Armenian resource “lragir” published a very interesting analysis of Russian policy in the South Caucasus, Vesti.Az reports.


    According to the author Igor Muradyan, “Armenia suggests the possibility of developing relations with NATO and the European Union and, at the same time, preserving the current format of relations with Russia and the CSTO. Obviously, a scandal is being prepared sequentially, which should become the forerunner of breaking relations between Russia and Armenia, that is, pushing Armenia out of the sphere of economic and military-political relations that have developed over two decades, ”the author writes.

    According to him, the “withdrawal” of “absolutely loyal” Armenia from the orbit of Russia is an important argument for the failure of Russia's foreign policy. “The Russian elite strives to be not only pro-European, but also pro-American, as well as to lead Russia into the sphere of unconditional influence of the West. Perhaps this is precisely the main danger for Armenia.

    However, besides such a large-scale goal, there are more specific tasks, first of all, the tasks of military-industrial enterprises that are interested in supplying weapons to Azerbaijan, which has now become limited. In addition, Russian energy companies believe that as a result of Russian policy, they have lost the chance to work in the oil and gas sector of Azerbaijan. It should also be said about the hopes for a larger arms supply to Turkey.

    And this is a lot, not to mention the fact that the Russian “intellectual” elite, which the Russian authorities are holding in a “black body”, decided that the time has come to earn some money by lobbying for the interests of Azerbaijan and Turkey, which is happening on a large scale. Thus, the combination of all these interests can become quite successful in pushing Armenia out of relations with Russia, ”the expert believes.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 8 June 2013 13: 39 New
    -3
    Quote: Very old
    .Armenians remember 1916 - genocide; Armenian Van, Mount Ararat-

    Turks remember this !!
    May 9, 1915. Bitlis. Turkey. In the Turkish city of Bitlis, 123 people died as a result of the atrocities of the Armenian gangs. Among the dead are many children and women. According to researcher Rafael de Nogales, one of the leaders of the brutal killings of peaceful Muslims and arson of their villages at that time was a member of the Ottoman Assembly, a member of the Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun” Garegen Pasdermadzhan. “They killed all the peaceful Muslims falling into their arm,” says historian Nogales. The death sentences of the “Dashnaktsutyun” organization were carried out everywhere, which, according to researchers, never offered a real political program, pointing to its performers only on the methods of struggle. These methods, based on violence, were interpreted as follows: “to resort to any means to arm people, ... to encourage clashes and terrorize government officials, ... to rob and destroy state institutions, ... everything is possible to achieve the goal - propaganda , terror, rebellion .67

    May 14, 1915. Wang. Turkey. According to the American historian Stanford J. Shaw, “mass extermination of the local Muslim population” was carried out by Armenian bandit formations on May 14-16. Arguing on this subject, researcher J. Malevil noted: “Systematic terrorist acts of Armenians, carried out for thirty years, had another, almost equally serious,“ reverse effect ”on the fate of their compatriots transported in 1915. All these absurd rebellions, kindled from the side, led only to useless deaths. But they also had a certain psychological result, which the Armenian agitators achieved through the “tension strategy”: to turn the Armenians in the eyes of the Ottomans from a “faithful nation” to a “suspected nation”.

    A few decades of murder and violent rebellion was enough for this. ”68

    May 17, 1915. Wang. Turkey. Armenian terrorist and bandit groups burned the ancient Turkish city of Van. Among the civilian population there are numerous victims. According to a study by J. and C. McCarthy, 2,5 million ... Muslims died during the bloody events of the early 69th century.

    June 22, 1915. Wang. Turkey. When government troops entered the Turkish city of Van, they got a terrible picture: mountains of corpses. The entire Islamic population of Van, which did not have time to escape in time - Turks, Azerbaijanis, Kurds - was destroyed by Armenian terrorist groups. Muslims were gathered by Armenians at a huge ditch, and then brutally murdered. Eight days later, on July 1, 1915, General Nikolaev in his report will tell about the atrocities of the Armenian gangs of some Thero and Hecho, whom the indignant Russian officer urges to shoot from guns. At the burial place of 5000 brutally tortured people, today stands the Turkish memorial - in memory of the victims of the 1915 genocide committed by civilian gang and terrorist groups over the civilian population. 70

    May 8, 1916. Terjaerjan. Turkey. As a result of the attack of Armenian bearded men, led by the bandit Andranik, 563 people died in the Muslim villages of Terjan. Each murder was accompanied by painful torture. Militants executed the verdict of the international Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun.” 71
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 8 June 2013 13: 40 New
      -1
      May 11, 1916. Malazgird. Turkey. Armenian gangs brutally killed 20 people in the Turkish city of Malazgird. Even infants were tortured, who were then thrown into the fire.000

      May 22, 1916. Wang. Turkey. Armenian gangs committed another massacre of civilians of Turkish and Kurdish nationalities in the city of Van. The city was just starting to come to life after the tragedy of 1915. 1000 Armenian babies were strangled by Armenian thugs. The world did not yet know such cruel reprisals against children. As a result of the atrocities committed by Armenian terrorists in the city of Van, 15 people died. The corpses were cut off ears, noses, eyes gouged. 000

      May 22, 1916. Wang. Turkey. The Turkish village of Keprikey near the city of Van was completely destroyed by Armenian gangs. Killed 200 people. Those who tried to resist were subjected to a particularly sophisticated execution.74

      May 22, 1916. Wang. Turkey. For the first time, Armenian terrorists applied the method of mass poisoning of people. It was in such a barbaric way that several hundred civilians were killed. Among the dead are children, the elderly, women. 75

      May 22, 1916. Wang. Turkey. In the surrounding Muslim villages of Ergel and Atian, flooded with numerous refugees, about 8000 people were killed by Armenian thugs. Resistance to well-armed bandits was in vain. 76

      May 23, 1916. Van, Turkey. In the Muslim village of Sale, not far from the Turkish city of Van, 300 people were killed by Armenian thugs, most of whom are women, old people and children. After the killings, mockery of the corpses continued. It was during this period that the ideologists of the international Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun” began to falsify history in order to deflect responsibility for the massacres. The sinister absurdity was that they dubbed the bloody crimes they had committed ... "the Armenian genocide." As an illustration, they are presented with a canvas “depicting a bunch of skulls of Armenians exterminated during the First World War”. Over time, the researchers made it clear: “The picture was deceitfully and irresponsibly distributed on the covers of books and in accompanying articles, printed on propaganda leaflets or as a postcard, with the purpose of deception. However, in reality, this painting entitled “The Apotheosis of War” was painted in 1871-1872 by the Russian artist Vasily Vereshchagin, who was born in 1842. Therefore), a painting, the object of which is not the Armenians, was painted 44 years before the start of the so-called events of 1915, and the artist died 10 years before the start of the First World War. ”77

      June 1916 Edremed. Turkey. As a result of the attack of the Armenian gangs on the Turkish city of Edremed and the brutal massacres committed by them against civilians, 15 people were killed. In order to save bullets, Armenian bandits resorted to sophisticated methods of mortal torture. 000
      http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-3.php
      1. Orthodox warrior
        Orthodox warrior 30 June 2013 03: 35 New
        0
        And then Ostap suffered! .. Will not calm down in any way, the disease does not give ...
  • Perforator
    Perforator 8 June 2013 08: 26 New
    +8
    In half will not work. Each side considers Karabakh its own. If I began to apply for your apartment (or other property), you would not consider the section the right decision. There is no obvious compromise, therefore, the conflict has been frozen for so long. Maybe when generations grow up who have not fought with each other, who do not feel hostility towards each other, maybe then they will find a way to agree. Although I do not believe it.
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 8 June 2013 11: 34 New
      +3
      The solution to this issue (the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict) is very simple, both of these states are in one state, then there will be nothing to divide !!! In the meantime, some for NATU, Turks and Anglo-Saxons, and others for Russia, only the contradictions will expand! hi

      PS I have no complaints (about one state) !!! You will not be forcibly sweet!
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 8 June 2013 08: 39 New
    +9
    Quote: Orel
    Strong Azerbaijan is a plus for Russia in the Caucasus.

    Yeah, plus, especially in the light of recent frequent visits of NATO and Amer to Azerbaijan.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 8 June 2013 09: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Quote: Orel
      Strong Azerbaijan is a plus for Russia in the Caucasus.

      Yeah, plus, especially in the light of recent frequent visits of NATO and Amer to Azerbaijan.

      Visits by NATO and Americans are diplomacy and nothing more. They also go to Russia, and no one says that Russia is going to NATO.
    2. Gooch
      Gooch 8 June 2013 14: 41 New
      -2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      the number of Armenians in the Krasnodar Territory in 2011 is slightly more than 5%! And about "they behave this way" only because We allow it-Russian dollars

      In Azerbaijan, there are no NATO bases like Ulyanovsk.
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 8 June 2013 09: 04 New
    0
    Good morning everyone! "Divide Karabakh" - how to understand it, a neighbor breaks in and demands half an apartment - and you agree?
    1. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 8 June 2013 11: 39 New
      +1
      Yes!________
  • smersh70
    smersh70 8 June 2013 09: 43 New
    -2
    I agree with your conclusions completely! except for the last, then let us divide Sakhalin in half, and give the North Caucasus = part to the Wahabbits ... etc, etc. ... they don’t trade in lands .. they protect the earth with all available means .... ....Yours faithfully
  • sscha
    sscha 8 June 2013 13: 25 New
    +5
    Strong Azerbaijan for Russia is a big minus, because moderate Islamists today, and Wahhabis tomorrow ...
    The change of poles of political influence is fraught with a time bomb in the underbelly of Russia! hi
    And nothing personal ...
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 8 June 2013 19: 44 New
      0
      Quote: sscha
      The change of poles of political influence is fraught with a time bomb in the underbelly of Russia!

      Where is the member?))))))))
      Well, if there, then it’s not good))))
  • Arkan
    Arkan 8 June 2013 16: 54 New
    +2
    Quote: Orel
    And about Karabakh, I would like to hope that our diplomacy is not in vain getting its funding.

    For this, Russia needs to officially recognize Gorbachev and Yeltsin as traitors (or traitors) and their actions (or criminal inaction) in Transcaucasia aimed at undermining Russia's authority and influence in this region (and not only). But, unfortunately, both of these characters are Russia guaranteed complete immunity ...
    Quote: Orel
    By and large, it’s dangerous to freeze a conflict, and then it’s dangerous.

    Yes, no matter what they say about the Aliyevs in Russia, in the current situation they showed the greatest possible loyalty to her, but after the change of leadership in Azerbaijan, the process of estranging Azerbaijan from Russia will most likely become irreversible.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 8 June 2013 17: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Arkan
      Whatever they say in Russia about the Aliyevs

      In one of his books, Yeltsin described his personal dislike of Aliyev, even before President Aliyev!
      in “Confession on a given topic,” the future president of the Russian Federation spoke extremely harshly about Heydar Aliyev. He wrote that Gorbachev “for a long time did not want to solve the problem with G.A. Aliyev, when it was already clear to everyone that it was simply impossible to keep this person mired in small and large mercenary affairs as part of the Politburo. I specially came to Gorbachev with a folder of documents and for almost an hour I persuaded: Mikhail Sergeyevich, it’s a shame to sit with him, we cannot disgrace the Politburo like that. So he didn’t listen to me then. True, in the end, Aliyev was sent to an honorary personal pension. But why did it take so long to solve this flashy, uniquely resolved problem ?! ”
      here is an interesting article about this, although Kazimirov also often writes biased articles about events in Karabakh, but here are interesting details about Yeltsin’s policies at that time!
      http://vn.kazimirov.ru/x004a.htm
      1. Arkan
        Arkan 8 June 2013 18: 08 New
        +4
        I greet you Alibek!
        Quote: Yarbay
        In one of his books, Yeltsin described his personal dislike of Aliyev

        He and Dudaev had a personal dislike - probably this man hated everyone who does not drink ...
        Quote: Yarbay
        here is an interesting article about this, although Kazimirov also often writes biased articles about events in Karabakh, but here are interesting details about Yeltsin’s policies at that time!

        Thank you! It’s hard to call it politics — in fact, in the early 90s there was an attempt to draw weakened Russia into several regional wars at once (including with Azerbaijan and Ukraine ...) - articles provoking Azerbaijan appeared at the same time , the events in Chechnya, the idiotic actions of Admiral Baltin in the Crimea ... Looking at the results of the First Chechen, we can safely say - if it were not for Aliyev’s endurance and bloodless operations of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the consequences for all of us would be catastrophic. Perhaps Yeltsin realized that he had been manipulated all this time only towards the end of his reign ...
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 8 June 2013 18: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: Arkan
          At the same time, articles appeared provoking Azerbaijan, events in Chechnya, the idiotic actions of Admiral Baltin in Crimea ...

          Hello, Sergey!
          The trouble is that now everyone understands that it was idiocy, but we can’t remove the consequences even now !!
          1. Arkan
            Arkan 8 June 2013 18: 27 New
            +3
            Quote: Yarbay
            The trouble is that now everyone understands that it was idiocy, but we can’t remove the consequences even now !!

            Unfortunately, the majority in Russia do not even know what was happening, all the associations about that period among the Russians are firmly connected with Chechnya!
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 8 June 2013 18: 34 New
              +2
              Quote: Arkan
              Unfortunately, the majority in Russia do not even know what was happening, all the associations about that period among the Russians are firmly connected with Chechnya!

              Remember the words of Stirlitz that the last phrases in the conversation are remembered!
              The same thing is remembered that is closer to the body!
              After all, if we ask about those times, all our colleagues will agree with us and emphasize that Yeltsin is to blame for everything, but Yeltsin alone could not do all this! What kind of boss are the same subordinates!
              I remember when we had front-line people in power, then often incompetent people were appointed in all areas, far from knowledge in the area where they were headed !!
              But here on the site if in some republic the leadership did something that is not in the interests of Russia, then the whole people are to blame!
              If Russia did this, then this is normal or Yeltsin is to blame!
              This is not serious!
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 8 June 2013 20: 59 New
          0
          hi Respect and Respect !!!!!!!!!!!!!! drinks
        3. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 9 June 2013 14: 39 New
          +4
          Quote: Arkan
          in fact, in the early 90s there was an attempt to drag weakened Russia into several regional wars at once (including with Azerbaijan and Ukraine ...) - at the same time there appeared articles provoking Azerbaijan, events in Chechnya, and the admiral’s idiotic actions Baltina in Crimea ...

          I will add more info on Kazakhstan. In the 90s, in addition to the gigantic information attack by the Russian media against Kazakhstan (allegedly, Russians are killed in Kazakhstan, and Kazakhs in general are enemies of Russia), there were also real cases of attempts to unleash a bloody mess - the Limonovites came to one of the cities of Kazakhstan with an attempt to arrange revolution and tear off part of Kazakhstan in favor of Russia, and also a group of provocateurs (22 heads, half of them are Russians), led by a certain Kazimirchuk with a partisan arsenal, tried to seize power in Ust-Kamenogorsk and declare the Russian Republic there. True, the committee members covered this office in time, while it hadn't really spilled someone's blood. Fortunately, the people in Kazakhstan were not provoked, and Nazarbayev himself called it criminality and that, they say, there is no smell of politics there, and it is better for everyone to forget about these freaks as soon as possible. The Russian authorities also disowned this "Pugachev", saying that he was simply mentally abnormal. Perhaps this Kazimirchuk acted on his own initiative, and it is possible that he acted at the suggestion of third forces, which would be "interested" in seeing how the Russians and Kazakhs would fight.
          In general, in the 90s there really was a feeling that they tried to set fire to Russia from several sides. Or was the Russian government so stupid that it was easier to believe in the insinuations of the West than that the Kremlin was full of idiots.
  • kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 8 June 2013 08: 28 New
    +2
    Good morning, our military budget in 2013 went over 4 billion.
    1. Rustiger
      Rustiger 8 June 2013 12: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: kotdavin4i
      Good morning, our military budget in 2013 went over 4 billion.

      And our ?????????????????????????????
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 8 June 2013 14: 43 New
        +4
        Quote: Rustiger
        And our ?????????????????????????????


        71 billion dolars ..
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 8 June 2013 16: 32 New
          +4
          Quote: Ascetic
          71 billion dollars.

          In my opinion for Russia a little !!!
          Very little!!
        2. Rustiger
          Rustiger 8 June 2013 17: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: Ascetic
          71 billion dolars ..

          what Haha. ... ., Stanislav. Here you immediately "got a taste", "encoded" in a dozen words, written "kotdavin4i" fellow laughing
          But I, in my meager manner, did not understand at all that I wanted to convey the respect mentioned to the public. "kotdavin4i" his meaningful and comprehensive "commentary". ... ...
          And the "flag" is kind of amerovsky (although it is insignificant) and only almost half of 2013 has passed, but the whole "highlight of the rebus" apparently lies in the last NUMBERS - "4 billion"!?!?!?
          WHAT ??? "Dollars", rubles, Mongolian tugriks, Belarusian "bunnies", Mediterranean seashells, Canadian squirrel skins,. ... ... maybe a gallon of "fire water" ..? wassat Nicho Niponil. . .

          "The nut of knowledge is hard, but still,
          we are not used to retreat!
          It will help us to split it
          newsreel "Want to know everything".

          Apparently, not all the issues I reviewed at one time fool request
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 8 June 2013 17: 32 New
            +4
            Quote: Rustiger
            And the "flag" is kind of amerovsky (although it is insignificant) and only almost half of 2013 has passed, but the whole "highlight of the rebus" apparently lies in the last NUMBERS - "4 billion"!?!?!?

            Well, he has a flag because of a proxy server!
            This man is an officer in our army, whose citizen of my country I respect, Russian by nationality !!
            4 billion he meant precisely dollars, in order to understand this a lot of mind I think is not necessary!
            In a pinch, just google a couple of seconds!
            1. Rustiger
              Rustiger 9 June 2013 00: 47 New
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              This man is an officer in our army, whose citizen of my country I respect, Russian by nationality !!

              And how, in your opinion, I should have guessed about it, except for "SanSanych" in the line "name" in the profile.
              And so something cleared up. And then from a neighboring branch. yes
              Well, he has a flag because of a proxy server!

              I will say without unnecessary pathos that about "proxies" and IT in general, I know, let's say - "a little more than the average user".
              Why exit through a proxy server if you don’t specifically try to hide the location. Maybe SanSanych is an Azerbaijani resident in the United States of America? Then it is clear. good

              Quote: Yarbay
              In a pinch, just google a couple of seconds!

              During the day I did not want to do this at all. And I wanted to continue lying on the grass, spanking mosquitoes, feeling the "aftertaste" of cold vodka and waiting for fried meat. hi drinks
            2. kotdavin4i
              kotdavin4i 9 June 2013 21: 41 New
              0
              Good evening Yarbay - thanks for the rating. proud
  • smersh70
    smersh70 8 June 2013 09: 41 New
    -1
    right !!!!. just let Russia reason its outpost ......
  • bask
    bask 8 June 2013 07: 12 New
    +4
    Quote: Orel
    so that it doesn’t spill over into the new Karabakh war ...

    And why are they increasing.
    The 2nd Karabakh war is already underway ((sluggish)), but there will be a large-scale military action, which will lead to a full-scale war between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
    How can Russia respond to this conflict ???
    1. Orel
      Orel 8 June 2013 07: 32 New
      +1
      This is the main problem. How to respond? Unclear. When two of your allies are fighting, the most optimal thing is probably to try on them, but in no case do not support any of them.
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 8 June 2013 09: 14 New
        +5
        Plus you EAGLE for sanity. Supporting one side is to automatically push the other side away from us, which we are observing today. We must maintain good relations with all our neighbors. This is a competent policy.
      2. ultra
        ultra 8 June 2013 10: 44 New
        +3
        Quote: Orel
        When two of your allies fight

        What "allies" are you writing about! Where did you see them?
        1. bask
          bask 8 June 2013 11: 06 New
          +4
          Quote: ultra
          What "allies" are you writing about! Where did you see them?

          I agree not Azerbaijan not Armenia are not allies of Russia.
          In this situation, it is best to maintain armed neutrality.
          And do not allow the intervention of third countries. First of all, Turkey.
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 8 June 2013 11: 18 New
            +4
            I completely agree with you. EVERYTHING needs to be neutral.
            1. Olegovi4
              Olegovi4 8 June 2013 12: 16 New
              +2
              That is, including you! Or do you want everyone to “stand and watch the high school student beat the second grader”? (analogy for the state of the aircraft).
              1. ultra
                ultra 8 June 2013 12: 39 New
                +3
                Quote: Olegovi4
                how does a high school student beat a second grader "? (analogy for the state of the sun).

                An analogy is not appropriate! Moral and ethical standards apply here, and we are talking about relations between countries, on this basis Armenia should be interested in helping a stronger one, and it turns out exactly the opposite, they do us a favor by posting our base on its territory! hi
              2. smersh70
                smersh70 8 June 2013 12: 41 New
                +1
                ..and when the second-grader whistled a bicycle at the high school student ... what remains for the upper-grader to do, pat on the head and say - the neighbor still has a bicycle, whistle and he, so chtoli, fellow
              3. Yarbay
                Yarbay 8 June 2013 12: 54 New
                0
                Quote: Olegovi4
                Or do you want everyone to “stand and watch the high school student beat the second grader”?

                and second-grader why vyzhivatsya, let him sit quietly, keep quiet!
                There is another analogy: a second-grader was given a room in a high school student’s apartment to sleep for a couple of nights at the request of his neighbors, then a second-grader said this room, I decorate it for myself and attach it to my house across the street !!
                For one, tipsy neighbors, adult uncles came to the rescue !!!
                Two days later, the neighbors were sober and left !!
                The second-grader either has to leave or get a starlight !!!!
              4. Yeraz
                Yeraz 8 June 2013 12: 55 New
                0
                Quote: Olegovi4
                That is, including you! Or do you want everyone to “stand and watch the high school student beat the second grader”? (analogy for the state of the aircraft).

                Well, you would listen to the Armenians, they have a great Armenian spirit, they say that the Russians stop them, otherwise they would reach Baku.
                By the way, a high school student does not quite work out.
                Yes, we have more aircraft, but they are sitting on the defensive, and defense in the mountains is even more convenient.
                As for the military budget of 4bn and 400 for Armenia. Well, let’s take it as a start that our army is larger and should already be at least 2 times bigger.
                We have the Navy, and this is expensive, the Armenians don’t have it. We buy everything at WORLD prices, and Armenia, they use the weapons that Azerbaijan buys from Russia at world prices at domestic prices and at some points free of charge. Therefore, the budget is not real 10 times more.
      3. Yarbay
        Yarbay 8 June 2013 16: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: Orel
        This is the main problem. How to respond? Unclear. When two of your allies are at war, the most optimal thing is probably to try on them, but in no case do not support any of them

        The right words, but it was probably necessary to reconcile before, but now it’s too late !!
    2. Meth
      Meth 8 June 2013 07: 43 New
      0
      Quote: bask
      How can Russia respond to this conflict ???


      Well, you give, forgot something?
      1. bask
        bask 8 June 2013 08: 10 New
        +2
        Quote: Met
        Well, you give, forgot something?

        Great MET, well, finally you got out of the den.
        ,, OUR POWER IN OUR SAILS ,,,,

        It is more true ..
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      2. Very old
        Very old 8 June 2013 08: 28 New
        +2
        This is the worst option. The CSTO against NATO is your decision, and it is very close to the 3rd ... Do you have brains or QC?
        1. Sober
          Sober 8 June 2013 09: 54 New
          +1
          No, the 3rd world war does not threaten us, at least as long as B. East is standing, and without it it is not special. and the CSTO can become very useful in the future. and now it’s also normal, something already. at least they can fight the militants.
      3. smersh70
        smersh70 8 June 2013 09: 59 New
        +5
        An exclusive interview with Vesti.Az with a famous Russian political scientist, professor at Moscow State University named after MV Lomonosov, leader of the International Eurasian Movement Alexander Dugin
        Recently, a meeting was held in Moscow between the Foreign Ministers of Russia and Azerbaijan, Lavrov and Mamedyarov, at which the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry said that the status quo in the Karabakh issue is unacceptable. Should this statement be regarded as on duty, as a signal to Yerevan, or does it indicate that the Kremlin is beginning to pursue a more flexible policy on the Karabakh issue, abandoning the previous unilateral support of Yerevan?


        - The fact is that throughout all these years, which the Karabakh conflict has lasted, Russia has recognized the right of Azerbaijan to territorial integrity. The situation with similar questions, for example, in the issue of Kosovo, shows not so much the principled attitude of Moscow towards territorial integrity issues, but rather interest in a particular geopolitical situation. Russia is interested in the territorial integrity of Serbia, therefore, it does not recognize Kosovo. And the West is acting in the exact opposite.


        Russia, being an ally of Armenia, has never been an adversary of Azerbaijan. She is above this battle, supporting the Armenians in some issues, and the Azerbaijanis in others. Now it has become obvious. In conversations with my Azerbaijani and Armenian colleagues, I always say: it must be understood that Russia will never, under any circumstances, be on the side of Armenia or on the side of Azerbaijan until one of these republics concludes an alliance with Washington. In this case, this republic automatically becomes our enemy. Therefore, the statements of Russia on the recognition of the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan, that is, recognizing Karabakh within Azerbaijan, are not empty words. This is a gesture of goodwill towards Azerbaijan. And closer contacts between Russia and Armenia in the field of military-strategic cooperation are a gesture of goodwill towards the Armenians. The model of Moscow is this: it is impossible to consider the issue of rapprochement with Azerbaijan to the detriment of relations with Armenia, and vice versa. Russia is interested in only one thing - that both Azerbaijan and Armenia should be included in a single geopolitical Eurasian space. This is a fundamental desire of Russia and the country that will move in this direction more intensively will receive preferences. But not contrary to another country.
    3. Yeraz
      Yeraz 8 June 2013 12: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: bask
      How can Russia respond to this conflict ???

      At the moment, Russia will take the side of Armenia. Therefore, there is no war. But Russia is obliged to solve this problem as quickly as possible. The USA and Europe are far from their drum. And the war at its borders plus these are the North Caucasian borders, will not give Russia anything good.
  • Vadivak
    Vadivak 8 June 2013 09: 12 New
    11
    Quote: Source
    In the course of modernization, tanks are installed on



    For minced meat like the Georgian T-72 SIM-1, yes it’s understandable.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 9 June 2013 02: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: Orel
    Azerbaijan has been strengthening its armed forces for a long time. Of course this is good, but the main thing is that this does not spill over into the new Karabakh war ...


    The main thing for iserbadzhan is to burn these beautiful modern tanks with a blue flame ...
  • Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 8 June 2013 07: 04 New
    +8
    SAM TANK of this type has shown itself well in Syria.
    With proper use in battle, a very strong fighter.
    1. Meth
      Meth 8 June 2013 07: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      With proper use in battle, a very strong fighter


      I agree with Lech ... with ZATULINKI (I wonder where it is?) hi


  • Aeneas
    Aeneas 8 June 2013 07: 05 New
    +7
    shot all this resembles the Israeli version of modernization for the Georgians. But the events of 08.08.08 showed that the applied dynamic defense, even with additional elements, did not protect the Georgian tanks from the banal RPG-7, correctly used by the cold-blooded Barankevich, who destroyed the 2 tank in a few minutes.
    1. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 8 June 2013 08: 40 New
      11
      Good morning to you. the modernization is good, this is certainly not KAZ, but it allows you to bring the car up to the level of modern machines. In the battles in Tskhinvali - the Georgians did a big fool - the militias dispersed the "gallant Georgian infantry" and the tanks were left without cover. Barankevich fought more than one, the Ossetians shot several RPGs into one tank, and they tried to fire repeatedly at places where dynamic protection had already been used, and in this case they would have knocked out the merkava, leopard and tyda ...
      1. Aeneas
        Aeneas 8 June 2013 09: 37 New
        +5
        but the pathos of the story told by Barankevich was that there were practically no Ossetians. Some were killed, some still remained, but most went to Java with Kokoity. So there was no massive use of RPGs or other anti-tank weapons, as in Grozny. Although Barankevich, of course, was an experienced man and knew where to beat.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 8 June 2013 09: 51 New
          -1
          Quote: Aeneas
          but the pathos of the story told by Barankevich was that there were practically no Ossetians. Some were killed, some still remained, but most went to Java with Kokoity. So there was no massive use of RPGs or other anti-tank weapons, as in Grozny. Although Barankevich, of course, was an experienced man and knew where to beat.


          exactly !!!!!!!! what nafiks of the Ossetians, the chief engineer of the Kokoit auto base ran away after the first shots, and then in front of the cameras with 20 fighters he promised to clean up Tskhinvali ..... laughing
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 8 June 2013 16: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: kotdavin4i
        Good morning to you.

        Hi Sanya !!))
        Quote: kotdavin4i
        In the battles in Tskhinvali - the Georgians did a big fool - the militias dispersed the "gallant Georgian infantry" and the tanks were left without cover

        I do not agree with this, just the same, in almost all areas of Tskhinvali, the Georgians acted competently during the offensive!
        Everything flew when the column of the 58th army appeared, the retreat began, originally uncoordinated!
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 8 June 2013 09: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: Aeneas
      shot all this resembles the Israeli version of modernization for the Georgians. But the events of 08.08.08 showed that the applied dynamic defense, even with additional elements, did not protect the Georgian tanks from the banal RPG-7, correctly used by the cold-blooded Barankevich, who destroyed the 2 tank in a few minutes.

      It is rather an analogue of the modernization offered to Kazakhstan. Yes Barankevich knocked out not Sim. Already a hundred times this topic has been discussed. But the opinion of the Russian tankers about the modernization, did not have to be read. And interestingly, without politics, but the opinion of experts.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 9 June 2013 14: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        It is rather an analogue of the modernization offered to Kazakhstan.

        I don't know what performance characteristics the Israeli version has for Kazakhstan, but there is a purely visual difference. In the photo, the "Kazakh" version of the Israeli gunsmiths:
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 9 June 2013 15: 17 New
          +1
          Yeah interesting. Apparently, there may be modular armor.
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    3. Withoutdream
      Withoutdream 8 June 2013 10: 27 New
      +2
      Dynamic protection is not a panacea. The effectiveness of the impact on the cumulative jet of ZUDT using throwable plates depends on the angle of impact of the cumulative jet with them. At meeting angles (the angle is measured from the normal to the surface of the container) 50-70 degrees. the greatest efficiency of the effect of the movement of the metal plates of the container on the cumulative stream is achieved. At meeting angles about 30-45 degrees. the impact of the jet container still significantly reduces the armor-piercing ability of the cumulative jet, although it is reduced by 60 percent or more of the optimum. At meeting angles close to the normal to the surface of the container, the device loses most of its effectiveness and, as a rule, cannot provide protection for the main armor barrier from a cumulative jet.
    4. Yarbay
      Yarbay 8 June 2013 16: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: Aeneas
      shot all this reminds the Israeli version of modernization for Georgians

      But it seems to me that this article is late, in my opinion, as far as I know, since then a lot of work has been done in this tank!
      More like the one you did with Kazakhstan!
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 9 June 2013 14: 55 New
        +3
        Do you do "Aslan" with the Turks from Aselsan or with the Israelis?
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 9 June 2013 21: 53 New
          0
          with the Israelis .... and the Turks made a fundamentally different tank-Altai ....
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 10 June 2013 11: 45 New
            +1
            I’m aware of Altai. But with the Turks, doesn’t you do tank modernization?
  • Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 8 June 2013 07: 10 New
    +1
    With whom is Azerbaijan and against whom? How does your alien system work?
    1. Shveik
      Shveik 8 June 2013 07: 14 New
      11
      The system of your stranger works very simply: the question is shouted into the megaphone - "Whose is Karabakh?" If the answer is Armenian !!!, then fire immediately opens.
      1. Aeneas
        Aeneas 8 June 2013 08: 04 New
        11
        again from the war 08.08.08 ... In the internet you can find the story of a Russian tanker, who at night joined a column of Georgian tanks, because he thought that his own. When he “caught up” that they were Georgians, he decided that he would quietly retreat, or he would die heroically, destroying a couple of Georgian tanks, for the distance was “outstretched hand”. And so, after a while, the Georgians had a "friend or foe" in the form of a curious tanker who became interested in an extra tank. The Georgian left his car to ask the lost genatsvale what unit he was from? Approaching the tight one, the Georgian realized that the guest was Russian. The Russian realized that a heroic and tragic denouement was coming, and getting out of the hatch showed with signs (pressing his index finger to his lips) that the Georgians would not "boil." After a while, the Russian tank quietly sailed away from the Georgian column ... Here is a story-bike about the Georgian "friend or foe" and "live yourself and let someone else survive."
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 8 June 2013 09: 53 New
      -6
      Quote: Dmitry 2246
      With whom is Azerbaijan and against whom? How does your alien system work?



      He is with his friends and his people! And against the Armenian occupation corps ........
      1. Meth
        Meth 8 June 2013 10: 07 New
        0
        Quote: smersh70
        and against the Armenian occupation corps .....

        I thought you were under the Jews, and you are under the Armenians!
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 8 June 2013 10: 18 New
          +3
          It’s a very ridiculous joke, and it’s also tactless. You can’t conduct a normal exchange of opinions, but immediately slip into insults and vulgarity.
          1. Meth
            Meth 8 June 2013 10: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: xetai9977
            It’s a very ridiculous joke, and it’s also tactless. You can’t conduct a normal exchange of opinions, but immediately slip into insults and vulgarity.


            And I was not joking, I just translated your post into Russian.

            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 8 June 2013 11: 03 New
              +1
              New tactlessness. I do not "poke you." Education does not allow.
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                1. xetai9977
                  xetai9977 8 June 2013 11: 22 New
                  +2
                  I’m trying hard to understand what you want to say, but something doesn’t work. What does the Jews have to do with it, and the English-Russian dictionary?
                  1. bask
                    bask 8 June 2013 12: 25 New
                    +3
                    Quote: xetai9977
                    I’m trying hard to understand what you want to say, but something doesn’t work. What does the Jews have to do with it, and English-Russian

                    He wanted to tell you ((I think so)) that Israel re-equips the Azerbaijani army, with money from the United States, Turkey and, of course, with the money of taxpayers of Azerbaijan.
                    But in the rearmament of the army ... Israel, an exclusive important role is assigned !!!
                    1. smersh70
                      smersh70 8 June 2013 12: 48 New
                      +1
                      He wanted to tell you ((I think so)) that Israel re-equips the Azerbaijani army, with money from the United States, Turkey and, of course, with the money of taxpayers of Azerbaijan.
                      But in the rearmament of the army ... Israel, assigned an exceptional important role !!! [/ quote]

                      we bought weapons from Russia in the amount of about 2 billion dollars, it turns out and Russia is re-equipping our country ...)) but seriously - we pay money for weapons from the one who sells it to us.
                      money in the morning, chairs in the evening, Ostap said so laughing
                      and no one gives us money for free, it’s the money of the people !! so that a Jew, Turk or American would just give us about 10 billion dollars for rearmament, that means you don’t know Jews, Americans or Turks hi fellow
                    2. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 8 June 2013 13: 01 New
                      -3
                      Quote: bask
                      for money sysha, turkey

                      He, as always, tipsy says stupid things !!
                      He should drink less!
                      What money is Sysha, Turkey ????
                      We spend our money on re-equipment, and as we consider it necessary, Western countries do not sell weapons to us, but we try to buy the best, including from Israel !!
                      1. bask
                        bask 8 June 2013 14: 21 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        give birth, we try to buy the best, including from Israel !!

                        You are not sold, but delivered free of charge to Turkey, a member of NATO.
                        FNSS 48%, owned by BAE Systems. And this is the second largest company, producing weapons for the Turkish army after Otokar.
                        And the West provides technology there as a member of NATO, far from obsolete.
                        According to self-propelled guns, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, and armored cars for various purposes, Turkey outscored Russia in all respects.
                        That Turkey will not help its blood ally ???
                      2. Gooch
                        Gooch 8 June 2013 14: 27 New
                        -2
                        Quote: bask
                        According to self-propelled guns, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, and armored cars for various purposes, Turkey outscored Russia in all respects.

                        You won’t understand, there will be news about a Turkish tank, armored personnel carrier, self-propelled guns, a plane - tons of feces are flying in their direction, they say, where are the Turks to Russia, it’s worth touching on the cooperation between Azerbaijan and Turkey, as it turns out that Turkey is a superpower with a nuclear triad, and space warships in orbit, where is the logic? unclear.
                      3. bask
                        bask 8 June 2013 19: 01 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Gooch
                        You won’t understand, there will be news about a Turkish tank, armored personnel carrier, self-propelled guns, a plane - tons of feces are flying in their direction, they say, where are the Turks to Russia, it’s worth touching on the topics of cooperation between Azerbaijan and Turkey,

                        You, this is what. What about .. feces.
                        You are my posts about Turkish armored vehicles, to this day READ ???
                        Probably, judging by the post, they didn’t read, so do not write yo-nu hi !!!
                      4. Gooch
                        Gooch 8 June 2013 19: 14 New
                        -4
                        Quote: bask
                        Probably, judging by the post, they didn’t read it, so do not write yo-nu !!!

                        I personally didn’t say anything about you, I’m talking about people who share your own point of view, I’m saying, first decide whether Turkey is a super power or Russia, and then tell tales about space technologies that Turkey and Azerbaijan receive.
                  2. smersh70
                    smersh70 8 June 2013 15: 05 New
                    -1
                    That Turkey will not help its blood ally ???

                    no, dear, friendship is friendship, but money is separate ... so the Ruusian proverb seems. 21 century, you have to pay for everything .... fellow
                  3. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 8 June 2013 16: 45 New
                    0
                    Quote: bask
                    According to self-propelled guns, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, and armored cars for various purposes, Turkey outscored Russia in all respects.
                    That Turkey will not help its blood ally ???

                    They help, but there are limitations!
                    Let me give an example, we bought a large batch of self-propelled guns * Fyrtyn *, during the implementation of the project, difficulties appeared, the fact is that the engines from this self-propelled guns were purchased from a German company that refused to supply them for self-propelled guns that were supposed to be delivered to Azerbaijan! The Turkish company had to look for another supplier! Of course, they found another supplier, but lost time, an extra brand !! And this often happens!
                    Turkey also has obligations to Western states!
                    In any case, we pay them, and not get it for free !!
                    Plus, now Azerbaijan has become one of the leading countries of investors in the Turkish economy! Economically, Turkey is now more dependent on Azerbaijan or is it already mutual dependence !!
                  4. ayyildiz
                    ayyildiz 8 June 2013 17: 11 New
                    0
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Turkey is more dependent on Azerbaijan or is it already mutual dependence !!


                    Dependence is mutual! Rumor has it that Azerbaijan will finance a project to create a Turkish fighter!
                  5. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 8 June 2013 17: 17 New
                    +1
                    Quote: ayyildiz
                    Dependence is mutual! Rumor has it that Azerbaijan will finance a project to create a Turkish fighter!

                    I heard about it too!
                    I had in mind pipelines passing through the territory of Turkey! What is being built in Turkey exclusively by investments from Azerbaijan is a huge oil and gas refining complex where $ 500 million will be invested! SOCAR bought shares of more than 50 percent of the company Petkim, the leading chemical industry in Turkey, this indicates huge injections into the Turkish industry !
                    Please note this is not a purchase selling service !!
                    I think well done, both countries are doing a great job!
                  6. ayyildiz
                    ayyildiz 8 June 2013 17: 35 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Turkish industry bought SOKAR-this speaks of the huge injections in the Turkish industry!

                    In the long run, Azerbaijan will only benefit from PETKIM. SOKAR will have the opportunity to open up to world markets from there!

                    Not only gray will sell, but the finished product and naturally will have more profit!
                  7. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 8 June 2013 17: 50 New
                    0
                    Quote: ayyildiz
                    In the long run, Azerbaijan will only benefit from PETKIM. SOKAR will have the opportunity to open up to world markets from there!

                    Not only gray will sell, but the finished product and naturally will have more profit!

                    So am I about that!
                    Plus, the same complex is being built in Azerbaijan, and in Sumgait a huge complex of the chemical industry!
                    I think in 10 years, both Azerbaijan and Turkey will play a leading role in the world in this area !!
                    We need to fully develop precisely industry, which is now being done !!
                  8. ayyildiz
                    ayyildiz 8 June 2013 18: 38 New
                    +1
                    We are moving slowly and with the right steps! My opinion should be given great attention to the defense industry!
                  9. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 8 June 2013 19: 38 New
                    +2
                    Quote: ayyildiz
                    We are moving slowly and with the right steps! My opinion should be given great attention to the defense industry!

                    We must be careful here, because in principle it is still a costly area for us and you! I think we need to purchase the most advanced technologies in this area and while there is the opportunity to create research laboratories, institutes, then it will be worthwhile !!
                    And the more our economies are interconnected, the better !!
                  10. ayyildiz
                    ayyildiz 8 June 2013 20: 05 New
                    0
                    After 74, we realized that we needed to create our weapons as much as possible, and as I understand it, you learned a lesson after the Karabakh war!
                    At 100%, of course it’s not possible to create everything, but you need to try, even luck will not bring you crawl, you can learn from failures
                    places to use! My opinion is only yours.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 8 June 2013 13: 03 New
    -3
    Quote: bask
    He wanted to tell you ((I think so)) that Israel re-equips the Azerbaijani army with money from

    haha people do not confuse Azerbaijan with Georgia. The United States is the only country that each allocates money to the SEPARAT KARABAKH from the budget.
    Therefore, if you look at this conflict as Georgian, you are very mistaken. Nobody hopes for the West at all, because the Western citizen, as soon as he hears that the Muslim country is at war with the Christian, their reaction will already be clear. The huge diaspora of Armenians in the West will also everything possible. In order for the West to take the side of Baku, a critical political situation should happen for them, so that they would tear apart for this.
    Everything rests on Russia, if it remains neutral, then even with a squeal from the West, Karabakh and the seven occupied regions will be returned.
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    1. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 8 June 2013 08: 43 New
      +1
      Azerbaijan will never fight against Russia! This is clear as God's day. The fact that we are trying to maintain our armed forces at the proper level - so I see no reason to joke about it.
      1. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 8 June 2013 12: 26 New
        +1
        Yes, no one was joking, on the contrary, your weapons cause "excitement". Agree that Azerbaijan does not need such a number of weapons. And therefore you are preparing for war. And in this war you will fight with the Armenians. Since the times of the USSR, many have remained with the understanding that both Azerbaijanis and Armenians are our brothers.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 8 June 2013 12: 55 New
          -3
          as the Russian proverb says, whoever came with a sword will die by the sword !!!! 20% of the territory is occupied, intermediaries in the person of Russia, the USA and France say that the status quo is inadmissible, the aggressor in the face of Armenia misses all this. ..and what remains for us to do - wait for eternity ... 1 million refugees, a new generation is growing up that does not know its homeland,
          and the quantity is needed to get an advantage in weapons, in short, because in order to go on the offensive, the advantage must be at least 3 to 1 ...
          and about the USSR, I completely agree with YOU !!! are now friends in Russia and Georgia, and in the Internet ..... we have nothing against friendship, we will be friends even after the conclusion of peace !!!! how we were friends after 1905,1920, 1988-2013 ... drinks
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 8 June 2013 13: 03 New
          -1
          Quote: Olegovi4
          Since the days of the USSR, many have left the understanding that both Azerbaijanis and Armenians are our brothers.

          Not everyone!!
          And many wake up when it is beneficial for them!
          I respect and love the Russian people, I do not understand and do not perceive Russian politics!
          1. Arkan
            Arkan 8 June 2013 19: 02 New
            +2
            Quote: Yarbay
            I respect and love the Russian people, I do not understand and do not perceive Russian politics!

            Any capitalist state is sick of this - the objective interests of the country often fade into the background for the subjective interests of influential people or groups ... The world of capital is a world of lobbyists, not analysts.
        3. Yeraz
          Yeraz 8 June 2013 13: 07 New
          0
          Quote: Olegovi4
          Agree that Azerbaijan has so many weapons

          No, Israel with such a number of settlements is more and better armed in Azerbaijan.
          Especially look at our region. Iran, which is the enemy, Armenia, which is the enemy and Russia with which we border the Caucasus unstable republics, where Russia constantly conducts KTO, and these terrorists often try to break through to our side. And gradually this is a Wahhabi infection more amplified.

          Joint operation of the police of Azerbaijan and Russia on the border
          Date: 03-06-2013 | 19:05

          From 20 to 25 May, in the border territories of Azerbaijan and Russia, in accordance with the approved plan of joint activities between the Ministries of Internal Affairs of the two countries, comprehensive operational search and preventive measures were held under the code name "Border"

          The main objective of the operation was to neutralize transnational organized criminal groups and members of terrorist organizations, to identify and block the supply channels for weapons, ammunition, explosives and devices, narcotic drugs, as well as financial and material resources allocated for illegal activities, the press told Trend on Monday. -the service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Azerbaijan.

          As a result of measures taken, covering the Balaken, Gakh, Sheki, Oguz, Gabala, Guba, Gusar and Khachmaz districts, 52 people were detained, who were wanted under various articles of the Criminal Code of Azerbaijan, 29 people wanted by CIS countries were also detained, and the location of the five missing people was determined.

          Ten guns, 11 pistols, 47 hunting rifles, sawn-off shotguns, 24 grenades, and almost seven thousand rounds of various calibers were seized illegally stored.

          As a result of operational-search measures, 15 facts were revealed regarding drug trafficking. Almost 9,2 tons of wild plants containing narcotic substances were destroyed.

          In the Guba and Oguz regions, four crimes were uncovered.

          During the events, disciplinary sanctions were imposed on 680 administrative offenses.
          - See more at: http://minval.az/news/9703/#sthash.FPEzL7S6.dpuf
  • uzer 13
    uzer 13 8 June 2013 08: 19 New
    +5
    Just what was lacking in this tank was done. The T-72 itself is an almost ideal ratio of combat capabilities, security, maintainability and other good qualities, including low cost. A tank for real military operations. Weak link sights , navigation, all-round visibility systems, night-vision systems, that is, all on-board electronics. Tank manufacturers have never been able to do this and do not understand either the ear or the snout. I know from my own experience that this situation has developed in all industries, that electronic engineers themselves, and technologists themselves. They speak different languages. We need to look for ways to change this state of things.
  • Belo_biletnik
    Belo_biletnik 8 June 2013 08: 20 New
    0
    Interestingly, but failed to beg KAZ from Israel? Or do they pinch for export?
    1. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 8 June 2013 08: 45 New
      0
      KAZ is an expensive thing, although in principle we have a lot of money, and we try as far as possible to buy the best that suits us, maybe the Israelis themselves did not want to sell.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 8 June 2013 16: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: kotdavin4i
        KAZ thing is expensive

        It seems to me that they will try to release KAZ at home!
        It is possible with the help of Israel or Ukraine!
  • Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 8 June 2013 08: 41 New
    +2
    And they did not guess to use the mounted armor and make a kit for battles in the city.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 8 June 2013 09: 57 New
      -3
      my friend, in Karabakh, besides Khankendi, there are no more cities. plus cities of 7 regions occupied around NKAO ... the inhabitants of Armenian villages plundered everything ... due to looting they didn’t even live ......... so city battles do not threaten us very much ... .......
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        Alexey Prikazchikov 8 June 2013 10: 57 New
        0
        Here are a couple of dozen tanks and it was possible to adapt for the city.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 8 June 2013 11: 38 New
          -1
          .what you will not do for the sake of Colleague !!!!!!!! we will do, brother !!!!! drinks
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 8 June 2013 13: 07 New
          0
          Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
          Here are a couple of dozen tanks and it was possible to adapt for the city.

          They have done so many atrocities in their time that they are unlikely to wait and * heroically * resist!
          From my own experience, usually where our obvious advantage was formed, the enemy ran faster than we could advance!
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 8 June 2013 15: 09 New
        +1
        http://goroda-prizraki.narod.ru/agdam.html
        the city of Agdam, once there was ... someone puts a minus, let him see ........
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 8 June 2013 13: 04 New
      -1
      Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
      And they did not guess to use the mounted armor and make a kit for battles in the city.

      And why is it needed ??
  • Semurg
    Semurg 8 June 2013 09: 30 New
    +5
    They put the minimum of necessary things on the tank, the rest will probably be watched and supplemented as needed, well, and most importantly in any technique, these are people using this technique and their skills. Azerbaijan has lost a lot of land and it needs to return at least occupied areas or the world or war, only Russia can somehow try them on, but it can be seen or can not or does not want to. It is likely that everything will end in a war too unreasonable contradictions.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 8 June 2013 09: 47 New
    -1
    Baku continues preparations for a military parade on the Day of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan - June 26.


    APA reports that the preparation of stands and guest seats has begun on Azadlig Square.


    The parade dedicated to the 95th anniversary of the armed forces of Azerbaijan will be the fourth in a row over the years of independence. The first military parade was held on October 9, 1992, the second in 2008, and the third on June 26, 2011.


    Preparation of personnel for participation in the military parade is also continuing. Starting next week, flights of planes and helicopters of military aviation of Azerbaijan are planned in the sky over Baku.


    During this parade, as well as during the previous two, a demonstration of the achievements of the Azerbaijani armed forces acquired in recent years with the most modern types of weapons and military equipment is planned. According to information received from APA military sources, during the parade the modernized T-72, BMP-2 and BMP-3 tanks, modernized armored personnel carriers and armored personnel carriers, armored vehicles BTR-80, Cobra, ZPT, and Storm will be demonstrated ”, New battle tanks, air defense systems, military vehicles of various brands, vehicles with high maneuverability, jet fire systems, as well as new unmanned aerial vehicles purchased in Israel, combat and transport helicopters. For the first time, the new Mi-17 and Mi-35M military helicopters will take part in the parade.


    The Ministry of Defense will be represented with the largest personnel. Along with military schools belonging to the Ministry of Defense, marines of the Navy and personnel of military formations of other military branches are marching in separate columns. The second in number of personnel will be the State Border Service. The internal forces, the Civil Defense Forces and the National Guard will be represented by personnel of 100 troops.


    One of the main priorities of the upcoming parade is connected with the sea. Naval ships equipped with modern anti-ship missile systems and artillery will be pulled for the first time to Baku Bay. In addition, ships of the Coast Guard of the State Fire Service and the Ministry of Emergencies will be located in Baku Bay.


    During the parade, special attention will be paid to the products of the local military industry. The vehicles that will pass in front of the stands will be equipped with 12.7, 14.5 and 7,62 mm sniper rifles produced at Azerbaijani enterprises, mortars, and a 107 mm caliber jet fire system.


    Mine-protected vehicles Matador and Marauder, produced by the Ministry of Defense Industry together with the Paramount Group, will present military equipment. In addition, for the first time, the Gürzə patrol car, equipped with local machine guns, as well as a reconnaissance and sabotage car created on the basis of the BRDM, will participate for the first time.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 8 June 2013 10: 29 New
      0
      Maybe there will be recently purchased self-propelled guns 155mm "" firtina "
  • smersh70
    smersh70 8 June 2013 12: 08 New
    -3
    [quote = bezumnyiPIT] Do you have 2 or 1 in geography? Prussians are the Baltic nationality. Sudetes - region in Moravia (Czech Republic) In the Sudetes there were never Prussians
    dear friend, you don’t know the story .... it was the majority in the Sudetenland that allowed the Germans in 1939 to offer the Czech Republic an ultimatum on the accession of the Sudeten Germany
    and secondly, since 1945, about 2,5 million Germans from Sudetenland were relocated to Gremany ... in order to forever close this topic in the future ........ hi
  • smersh70
    smersh70 8 June 2013 12: 38 New
    +1
    [quote = Rustaiger] [quote = kotdavin4i] Good morning, our military budget in 2013 passed 4 billion. [/ Quote]
    And our ?????????????????????????????????? ...... hi
  • cartridge
    cartridge 8 June 2013 13: 01 New
    +2
    Despite the purchase or modernization of weapons, despite the bountiful boastful Azerbaijani samopiar, the Aliyev’s troops still do not believe in the combat qualities. A nation of bazaar merchants cannot suddenly be reborn into a nation of warriors. And if we assume that Iran will intervene on the side of the confrontation between Azerbaijan and Armenia, then the question of the existence of the Azerbaijani state will arise. And Russia will not be indifferent to looking at how in the southern Caucasus instead of three countries there will remain two and both with an anti-Russian orientation. So, before clinging to arms, Azerbaijanis need to think about whether the game is worth the candle.
    PS Yes, and the mass deportation of Azerbaijanis from Russia in the event of a war with Armenia is practically guaranteed.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 8 June 2013 13: 39 New
      -2
      Quote: cartridge
      Can't Nation Bazaar Merchants

      Let’s not go over to insults, otherwise you don’t like who the Russian nation is considered in the East.
      Quote: cartridge
      And if we assume that Iran will intervene on the side of the confrontation between Azerbaijan and Armenia, then the question will arise about the existence of the Azerbaijani state

      Yeah, and Turkey will look at all this ??? Iran alone violated our air border so immediately Turkish fighters appeared over Baku. Yes, we still do not forget how many Azerbaijanis are Iran.
      Quote: cartridge
      And Russia will not be indifferent to looking at how in the southern Caucasus instead of three countries there will remain two and both with an anti-Russian orientation.

      Therefore, there will be no war. Well, or Russia will make Azerbaijan an ally and this will automatically make Georgia dependent, and Armenia well, who is she in the South Caucasus, a subsidized outpost of the Russian Federation.
      Quote: cartridge
      PS Yes, and the mass deportation of Azerbaijanis from Russia in the event of a war with Armenia is practically guaranteed.

      And what? Citizens of Russia will not be able to, and this is slightly more than half of the diaspora, and the vacated 20% of the territories where large-scale construction will be deployed can be found for everyone.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 8 June 2013 14: 11 New
      -1
      if you want to check how "traders" can shoot, stand in the line of fire .. fellow
      but in Russia the locals don’t trade ..... I didn’t know, according to your wishes, you live back in the 70s, and you probably buy bread in a state store .. smile
      I look .. you sit in the Council of Defense and make recommendations ...... fellow
    3. Gari
      Gari 8 June 2013 14: 16 New
      +4
      And how do you comment on the words of your close friend, President Aliyev, Saakashvili: Saakashvili, commenting on the decision of the President of the Russian Federation to stop the transit of Azerbaijani oil through Russia, said in Washington: "If Azerbaijan collapses, it will negatively affect the entire region."
      political scientist Leyla Aliyeva emphasized that the fears expressed by the Georgian president should not be discounted. “Surely, Saakashvili has some information on this subject. But at the same time, I do not exclude that a certain anti-Russian subtext may be present in this statement. After all, let’s not forget that he lost the election to pro-Russian forces. ”
      You can read the rest who are interested
      http://realcaucasus.org/7390
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 8 June 2013 15: 14 New
        -4
        Do not worry about US, 1 Manat-1 Euro, 60 billion foreign currency reserves, the main thing is that your economy does not collapse
        zero
        SOCAR President: "If Armenia asks us for help in the gas issue, we will undoubtedly help"

        Azerbaijan can supply gas to Armenia. This was announced in an exclusive interview with ANS TV by the President of the State Oil Company of Azerbaijan Rovnag Abdullayev. According to him, Azerbaijan is a humane country and recognizes its role as a regional leader. If Armenia turns to us for help in the gas issue, we will undoubtedly help, said Rovnag Abdullayev. Recall that Azerbaijan sells gas to Georgia at a price of $ 230 per thousand cubic meters. Currently, Armenia buys gas from Russia at a price of $ 315 per thousand cubic meters.


        An action was held near the building of the Russian Embassy in Yerevan against increasing tariffs for gas supplied to the republic. Activists came to the embassy with posters: “Russia, leave Armenia!” and "Gazprom, get out of Armenia!" According to the protesters, a rise in price will inevitably lead to an increase in utility costs, prices for goods and services.

        They also asked the ambassador to influence the ArmRosgazprom monopolist in order to postpone the increase in gas prices in order to manage to hold public hearings on this issue.

        It should be noted that ArmRosgazprom turned to the Public Services Regulatory Commission of Armenia with a proposal to increase the natural gas tariff by 64%. If the company’s proposal is accepted, the tariff will increase from 132 thousand drams to 221 thousand drams per 1000 cubic meters.
    4. xetai9977
      xetai9977 8 June 2013 15: 03 New
      0
      Quote: cartridge
      nation of bazaar merchants

      Again insults ... I will not slide down to your level and ask, what kind of nation are you ...
    5. Yarbay
      Yarbay 8 June 2013 16: 52 New
      -1
      Quote: cartridge
      A nation of bazaar merchants cannot suddenly be reborn into a nation of warriors.

      Well, by your analogy, the nation of drunks was able, after all, others can too !!
    6. Arkan
      Arkan 8 June 2013 17: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: cartridge
      A nation of bazaar merchants cannot suddenly be reborn into a nation of warriors.

      Judging by the controlled territories, the Slavs come first, the Turks come second ...
    7. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 8 June 2013 17: 19 New
      +1
      The fact that Azerbaijan has created a strong army is a fact!
      1. Alexander D.
        8 June 2013 19: 09 New
        0
        With the military budget, which in Armenia it is time for them to open their eyes, and they all rely on Russia. And the meaning of Russia to fight for no reason - someone sitting here wants to send his son to the war of third countries among themselves purely for ideological reasons? They sent to South Ossetia, because there was a territorial interest - they attached to themselves a piece of land + the Black Sea coast. And here, in the territorial plan, Russia has nothing to catch - Armenia is surrounded on 3 sides by pro-NATO countries - Georgia, Azerbaijan and Turkey, the latter two having direct territorial interest !!!
      2. Gooch
        Gooch 9 June 2013 06: 16 New
        -2
        Quote: ayyildiz
        The fact that Azerbaijan has created a strong army is a fact!

        There is equipment, weapons, basic doctrine and money, now it would be nice to put things in order, because there is something to work on.) Therefore it’s too early to get high)
    8. Gooch
      Gooch 9 June 2013 07: 25 New
      -1
      Quote: cartridge
      nation of bazaar merchants

      Let's not talk about that. wink
  • Genady1976
    Genady1976 8 June 2013 13: 08 New
    +6
    but the modernized T-72 in Syria
    1. bask
      bask 8 June 2013 14: 30 New
      +4
      Cool, knew how to make high-quality tanks and armor in the USSR !!!
      All tanks, naked, without DZ and RE, and so hold.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 8 June 2013 16: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: bask
        Cool, knew how to make high-quality tanks and armor in the USSR !!!
        All tanks, naked, without DZ and RE, and so hold.

        I saw this in 93, 4 shots in a tank hit he fought !!!
    2. Alexander D.
      8 June 2013 20: 39 New
      0
      And it also happens ...

      So sooner or later there will be a sword for each armor - it is necessary to keep up with the times and constantly upgrade equipment, such as Azerbaijan itself.
  • Apollo
    Apollo 8 June 2013 14: 20 New
    +1
    The strength of the Azerbaijani army.




  • smersh70
    smersh70 8 June 2013 14: 39 New
    -2
    Quote: Gooch
    All this is great and wonderful, but I just doubt that it will become easier for people living in Armenia from airplanes and rocketry, Armenia is a soap bubble that will surely burst sooner or later, if Sargsyan withdraws from power affairs, Armenia has already become more a business than a state, on the idea of ​​"Free Artsakh" a lot of ratings, finances, and various benefits were knocked out for those who actually promoted this idea. The Armenians to whom I take off my hat, and listen to their works with pleasure, and deeply respect them, these are Jivan Gasparyan and Serzh Tankyan, the latter, by the way, not so long ago, wrote a letter to Serzh Sargsyan personally and I agree with his words 90% - http: / /tankian.ru/serj-tankian-otkrytoe-pismo-serzhu-sargsyanu.html

    how ---- didn’t heed Serge to the advice of Serge Tankyan ..... hi
    1. Gooch
      Gooch 8 June 2013 14: 44 New
      -4
      Quote: smersh70
      how ---- didn’t heed Serge to the advice of Serge Tankyan .....

      and Tankyan himself prudently stayed in the USA) he writes the songs, he’s very good, and the performer himself is very worthy
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 8 June 2013 14: 56 New
    11
    The article is about the modernization of the tank, and all the comments are again about Karabakh, well, that’s a sore subject. ... I sincerely wish Transcaucasia peace, may it be somehow, but without war.

    ..................

    On the tank:
    Modernization of electronic filling is always interesting.
    «... The upgrade kit also includes two thermal imaging cameras for the driver and in the gunner’s sight of the tank’s guns ...»
    Somehow, everything looks strange in the photo:

    1. The bell of the TPD-K1 sight (gunner) is the same, so the head is unchanged. I’m generally silent about the night sight, this is an old ancient infrared night light of TPN. A new antenna is visible in the back of the tower, similar to taking atmospheric data for a ballistic computer, but near it (behind the gunner’s hatch) there is some kind of shnyaga, it’s hard to see, there is no close photo, only the first photo, maybe this is a new one gunner’s thermal sight? It should be somewhere, since there is no “Moon” on the tower.

    2. The commander still has the same TKN. As he is sick of it already. It is strange that they did not replace.

    3. And most of all he was interested in the thermal imager of the driver. Is it that they stuck it instead of the main prism? Straight for a kilometer from the armor peeps. The thing, of course, is necessary, who drove the tank with the TVN knows that the space in it is a little distorted and the range of obstacles for a beginner is a little difficult to determine, only by practice and skill development. but…
    How to clean this “cyclopia eye” from dirt, dust, snow? The regular system of washing with liquid and air is powerless here. The lens of the device is small. After all, it’s slamming all rubbish and good-bye with all its advantages. Without a cleaning system, there is no way at all when driving “on the battlefield,” especially since the T-72 has one prism, and not three small ones, like on the T-80.

    I do not criticize, I just did not quite see a serious modernization of the sights and observation devices. Maybe the photos are not entirely successful.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 8 June 2013 15: 28 New
      +4
      Well, finally one post that relates to the topic. Thank you.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 8 June 2013 15: 39 New
      -2
      as for the lens --- after all, the lens of the auto recorder is also small, but the quality ones have a panoramic view, however ..
      whoever slaps something, fights will not go in the city ...
      and as for the movement along the battlefield, the theater of operations is small, mostly mountains ...
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 8 June 2013 16: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: smersh70
        as for the lens --- after all, the lens of the auto recorder is also small, but the quality ones have a panoramic view, however ..
        whoever slaps something, fights will not go in the city ...


        Vurgun, Duc, it’s not about someone closing it up, but about the fact that the lens is small in size and grains of dust or splashes of dirt on the march at the moment blind the mechanic. The device, in essence, is magnificent, and it is difficult to get into it with small arms. I do not belittle its dignity in the least, but where is the thought-out system of its remote cleaning?
        Those. You spent 100 rubles on unique equipment, and a ruble to spend on its maintenance? This is not clear. This "bicycle" has long been recognized as necessary and invented, there is nothing complicated there.

        Try to drive through the tankodrome in the rain with it, or just into the mud. Everything will be clear right away, just saying as an operator of such equipment.
        Open the hatch on the go, stick out your hand and wipe the lens with a cloth? This is what discourages.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 8 June 2013 21: 29 New
          +1
          there is logic in your reasoning ... I don’t argue .... but looking more closely at the device .... it feels like it is removable ... winked and they will use it as needed ..... Your opinion on this matter ......
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 8 June 2013 22: 32 New
            +4
            Quote: smersh70
            it feels like he's removable ...


            I am sure that it is removable. Yes, and the old TVNE-4b probably somewhere lies in stocks in stock.
            And so, on an ongoing basis is a simple daytime prism. In other photos it is visible.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 8 June 2013 22: 49 New
              +2
              Seems to have come to a common denominator .... drinks on landfills. on marches, no. and use if necessary .....
              proverb. this time English --- use what is at hand and do not look for another ..... fellow
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 8 June 2013 23: 19 New
                +2
                Quote: smersh70
                Seems to have come to a common denominator ....


                No problem. drinks

                We need to ask mechanics using this thermal imager what is there and how. How cranky and helpful. We are only guessing now.
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            3. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 8 June 2013 23: 56 New
              +2
              Quote: Aleks tv
              Yes, and the old TVNE-4b probably somewhere lies in stocks in stock.

              And it seems to be combined daytime with nighttime (?)
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 9 June 2013 00: 06 New
                +3
                Quote: Bad_gr
                combined daytime with nighttime (?)


                Have mehana? Vladimir, frankly I don’t know. This news not so long ago went into the army, no longer served.
                I will clarify with colleagues, or our forum users will prompt.
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 9 June 2013 01: 17 New
                  0
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  This news not so long ago went into the army, no longer served.

                  Somewhere I had a more informative photo (where lenses are visible in a small window), but now I have not found this image. And information on this optics did not come across sad
                  1. Bad_gr
                    Bad_gr 12 June 2013 18: 47 New
                    +1
                    Found:
                    "..... a three-channel device for a driver-mechanic TVN-10. Thanks to the use of three channels for receiving information, the device provides the ability to control the tank at any time of the day, regardless of weather conditions. For the first time, TVN-10 was shown to the public on the modernized T-72B2" Slingshot " ...

                    The modern driver’s device includes a direct-observation prism channel, thermal imaging and low-level television channels. The tank driver on the gas discharge indicator panel receives a combined image of the surrounding area in front of the machine.

                    Thus, TVN-10 has significant advantages over existing night and day devices. The efficiency of the device is ensured in any light, in fog, dust and smoke. It should be noted that all the TVN-10 components are manufactured in Russia. Many experts consider this device to be one of the best in the world ..... "
                    http://warsonline.infobronetechnika/luchshie-v-mire-pribori-mechanika-voditelya.
                    html
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 8 June 2013 17: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Aleks tv
      I do not criticize, I just did not quite see a serious modernization of the sights and observation devices. Maybe the photos are not entirely successful.

      As far as I know, this is an old version, what is shown in the article, since then many changes have been made!
      Quote: Aleks tv
      it’s a little difficult for a beginner

      As far as I know, tankers are all contract soldiers!
      In general, your comments are very interesting and competent!
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 8 June 2013 18: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: Yarbay
        In general, your comments are very interesting and competent!


        Thanks, Alibek.
        Yes, I'm just like that "bodmaha": what I remember and what I saw - I sing about that. What I don't know and haven't felt - I don't sing.

        Very tired of know-it-alls to read. Especially when those who are really interested in any topic listen to them. This is so, by the way.
        With due respect, I treat professional info even if I do not share the views of the interlocutor.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 8 June 2013 18: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Aleks tv
          With due respect, I treat professional info even if I do not share the views of the interlocutor.

          In this sense, alas, we have a deficit!
          For tanks, mostly Kars, for planes, Sergey VAF !!
          how rich they say!
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 8 June 2013 15: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: Ascetic
    [this must be clearly understood otherwise we will become a second Europe, first degrading after the adoption of liberal values ​​imposed on the world by liquid bankers and now, like the Roman Empire, mired in debauchery and sodomy, disappears under the onslaught of new barbarians. So we have little choice. Besides how to be strong and to restore the lost Empire.

    Again "Jew bankers"? I think with horror that under the command of a man with such views, Jews should have served.
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 8 June 2013 17: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      I think with horror that under the command of a man with such views, Jews were to serve.

      Well, in vain - Jews were allowed to serve in the Strategic Missile Forces of the USSR in very rare cases.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 8 June 2013 18: 04 New
        0
        Quote: Arkan
        Well, in vain - Jews were allowed to serve in the Strategic Missile Forces of the USSR in very rare cases.

        Yes, that's for sure)))))
        I remember in December 2011, in comments on this site, Stanislav wrote that Azerbaijanis are unlearned for missile and air defense forces))) that Azerbaijanis should only serve in the battalion !!
        Only he was seen then had not heard of Colonel General Agaguseynov, who commanded the anti-aircraft missile regiment, 10 air defense divisions, 12 corps and air defense of the Transcaucasian District!
  • Apollo
    Apollo 8 June 2013 15: 33 New
    +3
    Military exercises of Azerbaijan

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    2. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 8 June 2013 16: 16 New
      +1


      Air defense of Azerbaijan
      1. Alexander D.
        8 June 2013 23: 14 New
        +2
        It seems that the radar for the glorious Caucasian guys did in Ukraine. Here is another example of successful cooperation - no one is forcing anything on anyone, no one is proving anything to anyone, just joint mutually beneficial cooperation.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 9 June 2013 00: 20 New
          -1
          and right !!!! hi
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  • Alexander D.
    8 June 2013 18: 40 New
    +2
    Tin. On this resource, either Russians and Ukrainians quarrel, then Azerbaijanis and Armenians. It’s not a news resource, but a battlefield.
    The article is just about the fact that the Azerbaijani government is pursuing the right policy and, in addition to diversifying arms suppliers, is still trying to do something on its own. Moreover, this modernization, for the most part, is much more promising than the T-72B3, which enters the Russian troops.
    And besides, now compare the Azerbaijani T-72 with the Armenian one (Armenia, according to the CSTO rules, buys only Russian weapons) ...
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 8 June 2013 19: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexander D.
      Moreover, this modernization, for the most part, is much more promising than the T-72B3, which enters the Russian troops.
      Something modestly stated ... It was necessary to write right away as our Ukrainian comrades, which is superior not only to the T-90a, but also to the T-90ms.
      1. Alexander D.
        8 June 2013 19: 25 New
        +2
        Ohhh, all the people I know!
        Vladimir, in order not to be unfounded, I bring arguments
        http://izvestia.ru/news/545300
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 8 June 2013 22: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander D.
          in order not to be unfounded, I give arguments
          http://izvestia.ru/news/545300

          The fact that the T-72B-3 modification is not what they expected to see in the Army, I agree. Moreover, they received it instead of the decommissioned T-80: a tank, which at one time was 2,5 times more expensive than the T-72, therefore, it simply could not be bad.
          But the fact that the T-72B-3 is not praised in the Russian Army does not mean at all that it is worse than the Azerbaijani one.
          From what I see:
          1.Azerbaijani has the DZ of the old generation,
          2. The night device of the driver cannot be called a misunderstanding:
          As we have already said, any crumbs on such a small lens will immediately noticeably worsen the driver’s vision, although cleaning tools such as nozzles in front of the lens are visible.
          The standard device, if damaged, is changed by the mechanic by the driver without getting out of the tank (and without opening the hatch) in literally seconds. What will be done in battle by the captain of the Azerbaijani tank when the optics are damaged is not clear.
          _ the gunner's IR headlight remained. That is, the presence of a thermal imager is in question (or is it with poor sensitivity).
          Incidentally, the IR headlight for the mechanic. The driver retained the same.

          I think the picture is similar with the rest of the filling.
          1. Alexander D.
            8 June 2013 23: 21 New
            +2
            No one says that the equipment of Azerbaijan is the standard of the tank. The guys are taking the first steps in this direction. But in terms of stuffing with electronics and OMS - there are suspicions that they are superior to the T-72B3 in this (the guys from Israel, who in this respect are among the leaders in this aspect, had a hand in it).
          2. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 8 June 2013 23: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: Bad_gr
            the gunner's IR headlight remained.


            On the tower by the gunner’s hatch? This is not for him.
            And "Luna" has been dismantled. The same did not understand where his thermal imager was located.
  • omsbon
    omsbon 8 June 2013 20: 00 New
    0
    Allow me to respond to the dispute between forum users from Armenia and Azerbaijan.
    There is a place where Armenians peacefully coexist with Azerbaijanis - this is any food market, where their thieving, mercantile, speculative natures feel like a fish in water. Dumb and smelly with their indelible socks, wanting to deceive only one, insult the woman and immediately apologize, as she was with her husband, ready to stand up for her. These are impressions of my today's trip to the Kalinin market.
    So, the difference between them, I don’t see, will be betrayed when it will be profitable!
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 8 June 2013 21: 43 New
      -2
      .... Great Mighty Russian language !!!!!!!! still I love Russian proverbs ... and I will answer proverbs .......
      1. to whom, and to a bald hairbrush ....
      2. we're talking about ......, and he's talking about boob ....
      3. Do not swarm a hole for another, get yourself .....
      . fellow
    2. Gooch
      Gooch 8 June 2013 22: 04 New
      -4
      Quote: omsbon
      There is a place where Armenians peacefully coexist with Azerbaijanis - this is any food market, where their thieving, mercantile, speculative natures feel like a fish in water. Dull and smelly with their non-washed socks

      I live in Siberia, on the shore of Lake Baikal, a city that was built mostly by Komsomol members from the Azerbaijan SSR, I see a lot of Azerbaijanis in the markets, I don’t know about non-washed socks, did you smell them or what? I didn’t see something, food products are quite acceptable (this is Siberia, bananas, coconuts, pomegranates do not grow here, so they have a separate respect that they still import here), Russians in the neighborhood sell tomatoes, cucumbers and others vegetables, for example, for Azerbaijanis a kilogram of tomatoes costs 50-55 rubles, for Russians a kilogram 80-90 rubles, though not always fresh, because they take it extremely rarely at that price, for Russians a kilogram of Omul costs 450-500 r (??? By the way I live on the shore of Lake Baikal, where do I not understand such prices? It turns out that growing a kilogram of apricot, collecting it, and bringing it from Azerbaijan to Siberia is cheaper than going out for 10 minutes from the house to the lake, catching a kilogram of omul and selling it’s for my fellow citizens), I don’t see any shoals on the part of migrants here, many Russians, because of not very favorable life situations, work as loaders for Azerbaijanis, they get money plus fruits and vegetables, you can take whatever you want - the result is all the money dressed in vodka, vegetables for a snack, the Armenians do not trade for the most part, they have a business in more interesting configurations, for example, the supply of marijuana, organized criminal schemes, Rocket, Extortion, a question, so why did Azerbaijanis trading in the market stop you? Probably by the fact that coming to your country, not having a residence permit, not knowing the language, not having any connections, they raise some kind of money that allows them to live in your own country?
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 8 June 2013 23: 02 New
        -2
        GOOCH !! Respect and Respect !!!!!!!!! You are not only a cool special. on music. thanks to YOU, I got to Tankyan))))). but YOU also turn out to be special for modern aviation !!!!!!! drinks good
        1. Gooch
          Gooch 9 June 2013 06: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: smersh70
          GOOCH !! Respect and Respect !!!!!!!!! You are not only a cool special. on music. thanks to YOU ​​I got to Tankyan)

          Thank you.) You can still listen to System of A Down, he used to be a vocalist there, then the band broke up, and he began a solo career)

          Eh, there used to be a loose, frostbitten guy, and energy was beating) right now he settled down, started writing more meaningfully, moved on to the classics) in general, a worthy singer, and just a decent person. May God grant all Armenians equal to such a person.

          And regarding aviation, thank you, I'm not special, just a technology lover)
      2. omsbon
        omsbon 9 June 2013 01: 10 New
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        Quote: Gooch
        I live in Siberia, on the shore of Lake Baikal, a city that was built mostly by Komsomol members from the Azerbaijan SSR, I see a lot of Azerbaijanis in the markets, I don’t know about non-washed socks, did you smell them or what?

        I live in St. Petersburg, in which, thank God, your beloved Azerbaijanis did not build anything and I hope they will not build. Of course, I didn’t sniff their socks, but the traders stink 2 meters, especially when the three of them jump. High prices for the same tomatoes in my city because of their corporate nature and collusion since they are in all markets.
        By the way, on August 2, prices will drop sharply, watermelons will be full!
        1. Gooch
          Gooch 9 June 2013 05: 57 New
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          Quote: omsbon
          I live in St. Petersburg, in which, thank God, your beloved Azerbaijanis did not build anything and I hope they will not build.

          Peter, a gallant city, in 78 on a zip link, 4 years after the BAM passed through my city, the first building in it was designed by the Leningradstroy Institute before receiving the status of the city, the main partner was Leningrad, together with the Komsomol construction teams from the Azerbaijan SSR, to In fact, the houses are still in excellent condition, the road works 24 hours a day, by the way, Heydar Aliyev supervised the construction of the century, and also headed the Commission of the Council of Ministers for the construction and development of the Baikal-Amur Mainline (BAM). So I have a question for you, I am Lezgin by nation, I was born in Buryatia, if I am in a company with Russians, and someone says bad things about Caucasians, I will harness for them, I will say my word if I am in a company with Caucasians, and someone will speak badly about the Russians, I will stand up for the Russians, I will say my word, 90% of my friends are Russians, I don’t know my language, religion too, I’m more an Atheist than a Muslim. On the street I often find myself in situations when another club youth, with a jaguar jar in their hands, provokes to kick them in the face, it is worth laying one on the asphalt, as shit begins to seethe around, they say, Dagi is crazy again, they come in large numbers, etc. (why did I come in large numbers if I was born here, and my parents gave their Youth and all their life to build this city?)

          By the way, on August 2, prices will drop sharply, watermelons will be full!

          It’s a lot of fun to beat shopkeepers, I used to be in Novosibirsk, in the central market, I came specially on August 2 to look at this circus, the result was cheerful, the airborne troops muzzled each other, shouted, jumped into the fountain and went home, and in Irkutsk, in general, their riot police defended them from the Kyrgyz.
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 9 June 2013 11: 52 New
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          Dear Andrey !!! for a moment we’ll leave T-72.
          blame the price hikes, not the traders, but the police, the tax service, corruption in Russia ....
          however the same thing with us ........ Regards ..... hi
        3. Yeraz
          Yeraz 9 June 2013 12: 24 New
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          Quote: omsbon
          I live in St. Petersburg, in which, thank God, your beloved Azerbaijanis did not build anything and I hope they will not build.

          Well, you campaign about the Azerbaijani businessmen in the city do not know anything.
          Quote: omsbon
          Of course, I didn’t sniff their socks, but the traders stink 2 meters, especially when the three of them jump

          A person who, for example, sells meat, he should smell like meat, etc. and in the markets you can buy fresher products than this synthetics without taste in Okayah.
        4. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 9 June 2013 15: 05 New
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          Quote: omsbon
          I live in St. Petersburg, in which, thank God, your beloved Azerbaijanis did not build anything and I hope they will not build.


          "In the city on the Neva today (10.05.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX), the monument" Children of War "was solemnly opened and consecrated. It was erected at the intersection of two avenues - Nepokorenykh and Menshikovsky, not far from the sacred place for every Leningrader-Petersburger - Piskarevsky Memorial Cemetery.

          Governor Georgy Poltavchenko noted the importance of the fact that the monument appeared in the hero city of Leningrad. He will recall those boys and girls whom the war deprived of their childhood, and who, together with the elders, took up arms, replaced them in workshops and in the fields. And then after the Great Victory they restored our city and our entire country.



          The initiator of the construction is the International Association of Public Organizations of the Blockade of the Hero City of Leningrad. The author of the project is sculptor and architect Vladimir Shplet. And the design, manufacture and installation of the monument was paid by the chairman of the Azerbaijan National-Cultural Autonomy of St. Petersburg Vagif Mamishev.

          Photo: the press service of the Government of St. Petersburg
          1. omsbon
            omsbon 9 June 2013 17: 16 New
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            Quote: Marek Rozny
            And the design, manufacture and installation of the monument was paid by the chairman of the Azerbaijan National-Cultural Autonomy of St. Petersburg Vagif Mamishev.

            I have to cry with delight and emotion that with the money stolen from me and other Petersburgers, some chairman of incomprehensible autonomy, in order to justify his presence in the glorious city, paid for the monument, so what? Now, if Mr. Mamishiv lived and "dalal dengy" in his historical homeland and made such a broad gesture, it would be worthy of respect and heartfelt gratitude.
            1. omsbon
              omsbon 9 June 2013 17: 45 New
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              And yet, if you arrange a survey of residents of the city on the Neva, that you want more charity from an Azerbaijani. Diasporas or vacations in kindergartens and schools? Give an answer? And if we recall that the presence of Asian children in the classroom, group leads to a general decline in culture and intelligence.
              In Azerbaijan, according to the assurances of those living there, it’s very good, satisfying and rich, and well ahead: a suitcase, a station, Baku!
              1. Gooch
                Gooch 9 June 2013 18: 52 New
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                Quote: omsbon
                And if we recall that the presence of Asian children in the classroom, group leads to a general decline in culture and intelligence.

                I graduated from school 2 years ago, over 11 years I saw a lot of different idiots, 90% of Slavic nationality, I do not divide people into nations, I just have more Slavs, respectively, the concentration and idiots in relative proportions are many times greater than that of the nat. minorities, there were those who cut themselves into a drunken vein, there were those who vomited the liberators at the monuments to soldiers, there were guys who in the classroom with a jar of jaguar covered their teachers with good mat, and among them I didn’t see Caucasians, I had only Azerbaijanian was in the class, so her classmates hated for the eyes, just because she did not lead an active sex life. The question is, so what exactly is the subject?
        5. smersh70
          smersh70 9 June 2013 22: 15 New
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          The mosque was built by our compatriot at the beginning of the 20th century-Z. Tagiyev ..... a monument to the great Nizami .... and many are being built ....... this time, businessmen ...... hi
          1. omsbon
            omsbon 9 June 2013 22: 31 New
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            Hello dear Vurgun!
            If we are talking about a mosque in St. Petersburg, then you are mistaken.
            The construction was initiated by Akhun G. Bayazitov and was funded by the Emir of Bukhara Seid-Abdul-Akhat Khan (died in 1910), and Tatar entrepreneurs.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 9 June 2013 23: 13 New
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              Quote: omsbon
              and Tatar entrepreneurs.


              .HELLO !!!! .. you know that in tsarist Russia Azerbaijanis were called Tatars .... here also the large industrialist Zeynalabdin Tagiyev was the Tatar businessman ... the only person to whom the Kaiser of Germany decided to leave the German battleship once from Germany. .when the war began in 1914 (well, by the way))))
  • smersh70
    smersh70 8 June 2013 22: 09 New
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    Quote: escobar
    Mikhail Poghosyan (Design Bureau of Sukhoi) probably interferes, at least your countrymen write and assure him.

    unfortunately, yes, my friend ... I already wrote about this here. I will not repeat myself ... we wanted to buy a lot of aircraft. but "thanks to him" the Russian budget did not receive a huge amount of currency ...
    I had to look at the fighter J-7 .... June 24 will show at the parade .....
    again a Russian proverb - HOLY PLACE IS NOT EMPTY
    1. Gooch
      Gooch 8 June 2013 22: 13 New
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      Quote: smersh70
      J-7

      maybe J-17 thunder?)
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 8 June 2013 22: 52 New
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        good one hell --- chinese laughing ..all enough proverbs)))))))))) - crap is rare not sweeter .......... fellow
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 8 June 2013 22: 57 New
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        Here he is, Beauty ...... fellow
        anyway, Chinese))) is another proverb. last-radish crap is not sweeter ...))))
        1. Gooch
          Gooch 9 June 2013 05: 35 New
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          Quote: smersh70
          Here he is, Beauty ......

          Well, yes, this is J-17) IMHO the device is not bad, so far only purchase intentions have been voiced for the purchase of the first batch, and so, I would very much like to see such a device in Azerbaijan, preferably in the bomber version.
          IMHO at a price slightly more expensive than Thunder, but the functions that it can perform are an order of magnitude larger and cooler.)
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 9 June 2013 11: 58 New
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            GOOCH! Agree !!
            here on the next page. many are boiling about Turkey’s friendship with Azerbaijan .... but, despite the fact that they release V (c) -16, they don’t sell to us ....... but what about the fraternity, friendship......
            so it’s not so simple in the modern world, despite the statements of grief-patriots from Russia ....
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 9 June 2013 12: 21 New
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              Quote: smersh70
              GOOCH! Agree !!
              here on the next page. many are boiling about Turkey’s friendship with Azerbaijan .... but, despite the fact that they release V (c) -16, they don’t sell to us ....... but what about the fraternity, friendship......
              so it’s not so simple in the modern world, despite the statements of grief-patriots from Russia ....


              Turkey was not entitled without permission to sell f16!
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 9 June 2013 13: 48 New
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                there are 1000 ways to buy weapons and no one will know ......
                1. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 9 June 2013 17: 20 New
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                  Quote: smersh70
                  eats 1000 ways to buy weapons and no one will know .....


                  We are talking about f 16, there would be an opportunity if Turkey would not have sold to Azerbaijan. When Turkey itself declares that Azerbaijan can participate in all Turkish military projects! hi

                  And even in Turkey f16 is no longer being produced, TAI bought the entire stake from Lohed Martin
          2. xetai9977
            xetai9977 9 June 2013 16: 43 New
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            We are talking about the j-17, a completely combat-ready machine. And one shouldn't speak down on the Pakistanis, they created the atomic bomb and the Babur cruise missile.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 8 June 2013 22: 44 New
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      Quote: smersh70
      .we wanted to buy a lot of planes.

      I think the question is different!
      I always read with interest the respected vaf Sergey!
      He very competently outlined the situation like that!
      In my opinion, the Russian aircraft industry is already full of orders for those planes that we would like to buy as well !! That’s a big turn, even Russia produces for itself at a minimum, there are no production capacities!
      And when did you get the J-17?
      After all, the countries of manufacturers do not really have them !!
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 8 June 2013 23: 13 New
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        stop Yarbay. Hush ... Armenian intelligence is on the alert !!!!!!! laughing
        but seriously - nothing is sorry for friends !!!)))
    3. Artmark
      Artmark 9 June 2013 02: 38 New
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      If you think that Poghosyan can prevent Russia from making money, then I have no words lol
  • Dimkapvo
    Dimkapvo 9 June 2013 01: 59 New
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    I will put in a little five kopecks about markets, etc. My opinion is that one cannot judge nations by the representatives of various diasporas. As a rule, first of all, far from their best representatives leave their native land - hucksters, criminals and others like them, for example, in the United States, the Russian diaspora is far from chocolate and I do not consider them mine - they are strangers to me. Of course, there are normal people who were forced to leave their homeland by objective circumstances, but they are a minority. For example, I hate a particular geek who killed, cheated, insulted, rude, and not all his relatives and fellow countrymen at once. Still, it's great that all of us have been brainwashed over these 25 years - we lived under the same roof, went to visit, and now we are ready to tear each other's throats because of a piece of land. Whichever article we don't take - we are slipping into some disgusting squabble .. It seems to me that on normal resources, which I still consider this site to be, we need to look more for common points of contact, especially between former friends, albeit old ones. Hatred arises between peoples thanks to their rulers, who solve their horse problems at the expense of our lives, wallets, health .. There are many officers here, with a head, with nerves, why be like trolls? (By the way, I wonder why "trolls"?)
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 9 June 2013 12: 03 New
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      Dear friend !!!!! Your 5 kopecks turned into a full 5 rubles !!!! (Soviet) hi
      Ask your question to the administrators who publish the libel (like the article Russia neutralized .. Air defense in Turkey) on this site I respect and love ...........
      better read the article Yarbai on the next page about Mehti Huseynov (MIKHAILO) ... that's where the heart sings ...... hi
  • smersh70
    smersh70 11 June 2013 22: 29 New
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    Azerbaijan will demonstrate T-26S tanks for the first time at a military parade of the Armed Forces on June 90.

    This was reported to APA in military sources.
    These tanks were purchased in Russia in 2011.
    It should be noted that the tanks of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan T-72 SIM, after modernization called "Aslan", were first demonstrated during the 2011 military parade.
    These tanks were modernized by the Israeli company Elbit Systems. As a result, the combat characteristics of the tanks were increased. They were installed a number of new systems to improve fire capabilities.
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