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China has created an analog drone RQ-170

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China has created an analog drone RQ-170

Aviation Aviationist blog reported that China has successfully created an analogue of the American drone RQ-170 Sentinel, which is an extremely complex and expensive low-series machine.


In mid-May, photos of the Chinese Lijian drone unmanned aerial vehicle appeared on the Internet, which is supposed to become a shock machine similar to the American X-47. And here is another sensation: the creation by China of a flying vehicle that is close in flight characteristics and level of visibility to the RQ-170. This is an important achievement.

Lockheed-Martin's RQ-170 Sentinel is a low-volume and, apparently, extremely expensive unmanned aerial vehicle. For the price and complexity, it is incomparable with massive UAVs, which are used in the armed forces for tactical and operational intelligence. Although the United States Air Force is responsible for the direct operation of the RQ-170, they are used in the interests of the CIA. Total released about 20 such devices.

RQ-170 is not intended for tracking down gangs of militants. Its main task is secret intelligence operations over the territories of foreign states that have powerful air defense systems. For this purpose, the device requires reduced radar visibility. The device is equipped with both means of optical reconnaissance and radio intercept system, as well as means of detecting radioactive isotopes.

The deployment of RQ-170 in Afghanistan and South Korea is known to act against Iran and the DPRK. It was in Iran in December 2011, the US Air Force lost one unit, apparently due to a failure in the control system. The device went to the Iranians without significant damage. At the same time, his electronic filling retained at least partial performance: Iranian television showed recordings of an onboard camera from the memory of a UAV.

Aviationist author David Tsenciotti previously wrote that Iran was visited by a group of Chinese experts who studied the device. This is a completely natural development of events. The Chinese often gained access to US military equipment lost during conflicts. It is worth remembering that Chinese military experts studied the wreckage of the inconspicuous F-117 fighter during the war in Yugoslavia in 1999.

It is hardly worth counting on the easy reproduction by the Chinese industry of intelligence and telecommunications equipment and special software RQ-170. The creators of the drone intended for actions over the territory of the hostile states should initially take into account the possibility of its falling into the hands of the enemy.

At the same time, the creation of a device that is close in flight characteristics and level of visibility to the RQ-170 is an important achievement. This allows, at a minimum, to conduct experiments to improve the Chinese air defense system to combat such unobtrusive targets. In the future, the resulting technology can be used in new Chinese UAVs.

Two Chinese fifth-generation fighter aircraft, a Lijian unmanned vehicle and a new reconnaissance drone, once again demonstrate the inability of the United States to stop the large-scale overflow of Western dual and military technologies to China. The system of scientific and technical intelligence created by China, as well as the system of studying and adapting foreign technologies at the moment, allows us to successfully bypass the protective walls exposed by the Americans.
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  1. Asgard
    Asgard 8 June 2013 07: 51
    +7
    "Technology" is being transferred to China ...
    Not only that production from around the world brought to China ..., and in 20 years made a "breakthrough" to the billion-dollar state ...
    But they are also raising a militaristic guide ....
    .interestingly, there are "two Armies" in China -
    !the first is the numerous formations of soldiers for conducting classical wars, similar to the past historical path ....
    and SECOND - equipped and reasonably compact group of military personnel with advanced weapons and technologies ...

    We remember that China did not go beyond its borders for several thousand years, but as the Russian classics say, if in the first act they hanged a Shotgun, it will certainly shoot during the performance .....

    True, I am inclined to think that there will be a misfire)))))
    made in china /
    1. Orel
      Orel 8 June 2013 11: 26
      +3
      "Technology" is being transferred to China ...


      China gets them without it. By all available means, including military and industrial espionage. In this, soon all countries will learn from the Chinese.
    2. Army1
      Army1 8 June 2013 12: 54
      +2
      Well, one can judge in different ways, either super cool Chinese development, or something like an Iranian fighter, in any case, we are waiting for our drone.
      1. Atrix
        Atrix 8 June 2013 14: 32
        +3
        Quote: Army1
        Well, one can judge in different ways, either super cool Chinese development, or something like an Iranian fighter, in any case, we are waiting for our drone.

        Well, yes, we have already seen the super cool development of China on the example of Radars in Ecuador.
    3. Civil
      Civil 9 June 2013 15: 41
      0
      Apparently bargained for something from Iran ... oh, we would have access
  2. Professor
    Professor 8 June 2013 07: 54
    16
    A copy machine (reverse engineering) in China works seven days a week.
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 8 June 2013 11: 58
      +1
      And notice not because of money (in any case, not only because of them) !!!!
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 8 June 2013 15: 27
      +2
      But is this the drone that was planted in Iran? laughing
  3. Akim
    Akim 8 June 2013 08: 03
    +9
    I already showed it. Provided a photo of a Chinese respondent J20! on the site: http://defenceforumindia.com/
    1. Windbreak
      Windbreak 8 June 2013 16: 45
      0
      RQ-170 does not smell there. Rather stole-bought blueprints Dassault nEUROn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT0yymT6v_w) or MiG Skat
  4. Belo_biletnik
    Belo_biletnik 8 June 2013 08: 34
    +7
    YES well, you simply, China cannot really copy our 4th generation fighters, but then he took and created an unmanned vehicle, to which we ourselves are like the moon (well, several years of development for sure). Even after copying software and making blueprints from the "freebies from Iran", the Chinese industry will not be able to give birth to something even close to the Predator. At least for now ...
  5. bormen
    bormen 8 June 2013 08: 50
    +4
    I want to note that the Chinese auto industry is only 10 years old, and the car in terms of quality at the level of basins and KAMAZ. in 10 years, the armament will be no worse than ours ...
    1. Akim
      Akim 8 June 2013 08: 57
      +4
      Quote: bormen
      that the Chinese auto industry is only 10 years old, and the car is at the level of basins in quality

      Yes, so that we collect it like the Chinese. The fact that Zhiguli flies at 25 thousand, at Lanos at 35-40. The Chinese withstand 60 tons. And then you put Japanese analogies and you don’t know any problems!
      1. Belo_biletnik
        Belo_biletnik 8 June 2013 09: 06
        +5
        Quote: Akim
        Yes, so that we collect it like the Chinese.

        what you see in the vastness of our homeland from the Chinese is going mainly to Tagaz (Russian)
        Quote: Akim
        The fact that Zhiguli flies at 25 thousand, at Lanos at 35-40. The Chinese withstand 60 tons.

        Chinese cars are the same lottery as our Basins, but I prefer our basins, they also break, but their breakdowns are already studied and predictable.
        1. Akim
          Akim 8 June 2013 09: 15
          0
          Quote: Belo_biletnik
          but I prefer our basins, they also break, but their damage has already been studied and predictable.

          My dad has a Chinese car. I won’t say anything about Russia, but in Ukraine, it’s not a problem to hand it over for repair. This is certainly not Lada or Tavria (which can be repaired in any garage), but Kalina and Lanos are also driven to the service station. (there was also the 99th then Lanos 1,3 / Sens before).
        2. Belo_biletnik
          Belo_biletnik 8 June 2013 09: 17
          +2
          In general (I’ll fluff a bit) who knows the joys of "bourgeois technology" not to China, not to the VAZ, will not voluntarily change over to (unless life crushes) hi
          1. Akim
            Akim 8 June 2013 09: 27
            0
            Quote: Belo_biletnik
            who knows the joys of "bourgeois technology" not to China, not to the VAZ, will not voluntarily change over (

            I agree. Although the "Escort" of the 90th year was changed for the new Sens and I do not regret it. But we started about comparing Chinese and Russian / Ukrainian cars. While the military-industrial complex they are lagging behind, but this is still ...
            1. Belo_biletnik
              Belo_biletnik 8 June 2013 09: 34
              0
              I wish you your Sens to run as much as your Escort. Although my friends with the chances are clinically unlucky drinks All the same, the assembly and quality of components is great lame.
              1. Akim
                Akim 8 June 2013 09: 56
                0
                Quote: Belo_biletnik
                I wish your Sens to run as much as your Escort

                He ran back to 350 kapitalki and he was sold for a long time. When compared with the neighboring Kalina. Engine and body metal are better; comfort is better. Chassis is softer, but on the same level of reliability. Box MUCH worse than Kalina (she's Taurian). Chinese SK-2 loses to Russian / Ukrainian classmates only in metal. Everything else is + from ours. Including price.
                1. densyaophyng
                  densyaophyng 8 June 2013 14: 37
                  +2
                  There was a lot of snow in the spring. The Amulet drove into the courtyard. He began to take his ass and stuck in a snowdrift. What do you think happened. Options - raked a drift, stalled motor, scratched the bumper.
                  Not - folds went on the hind wings, and the bumper pulled into the trunk.
                  Probably the metal for these cars comes from scrap metal smelted in the 60s in rural blast furnaces.
                  1. Atrix
                    Atrix 8 June 2013 15: 11
                    +2
                    Quote: densyaophyng
                    There was a lot of snow in the spring. The Amulet drove into the courtyard. He began to take his ass and stuck in a snowdrift. What do you think happened. Options - raked a drift, stalled motor, scratched the bumper.
                    Not - folds went on the hind wings, and the bumper pulled into the trunk.
                    Probably the metal for these cars comes from scrap metal smelted in the 60s in rural blast furnaces.

                    A friend of mine works at a car service center and says that once they used to disassemble a salon, then there was an inscription SHEL on the roof, apparently the barrels are used to create cars laughing
                  2. Akim
                    Akim 8 June 2013 15: 58
                    0
                    Quote: densyaophyng
                    There was a lot of snow in the spring. The Amulet drove into the courtyard.

                    It depends on what amulet. A friend of mine for a year dashed 40 thousand on a new generation in a taxi - there were no problems.
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 9 June 2013 00: 23
                      0
                      Quote: Akim
                      A friend of mine for a year dashed 40 thousands on a new generation in a taxi - there were no problems.

                      Miracles and nothing more ... It looks like we are not supplying the best "Ladas" to Ukraine, but they are the same "Chances" for us ... I have not yet met more than one owner of "Chance" who is satisfied with this car ... to judge the opinion of all the familiar owners of Chinese equipment - their metal nullifies all the good things that are on the machines, in the general opinion of the machine "for a year" ...
    2. Far East
      Far East 8 June 2013 10: 49
      -2
      Respected! Have you exploited Chinese technology? say she is worthy of Kamaz! well then you have to go there. and in military technology, they won’t have enough brains for another 30 years.
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 8 June 2013 18: 22
        +3
        I would not say that Chinese equipment is better than Kamaz, but I dare to assure you that it is not worse. Our northern carriers leave their Kamaz trucks without any regret if there is an opportunity to change to the Chinese Dong Feng. The time is passing when China took quantity, quality appeared. And quite good. I myself was driving a Chinese truck. Reviews and impressions about it, only good ones. But on the track I did not see a broken car at all. While we are "hanging out" in the internet, the Chinese are plowing for the good Homeland! bully And in some industries we don’t think of catching up with them. And if the Chinese leader sets the conditions for the US president, what does that mean !? http: //contrpost.com/en/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19 / 3226-2013-06-07-23-45-02
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 15 June 2013 23: 35
          +1
          Quote: sergo0000
          . And if the Chinese leader sets the conditions for the president of the United States, what is this talking about !?

          The Chinese are cashing the dollar with their goods, and this is what dictating the conditions.
  6. APASUS
    APASUS 8 June 2013 09: 12
    0
    It looks like they copied along with the TTX directly to the carbon copy !!
    Well, they will write!
  7. fluke
    fluke 8 June 2013 09: 22
    +2
    Chinese iPhone with wings.
  8. Delink
    Delink 8 June 2013 09: 32
    +3
    What do not say, but they are ahead of us in some respects. Not until you can not evaluate them. They copied, but we can’t even do this. Why create from scratch when it’s easier to copy and refine. China has always been involved in technology espionage. And we, as always, ourselves, with our own hands.
    1. Professor
      Professor 8 June 2013 09: 34
      +4
      Quote: Delink
      China has always been involved in technology espionage. And we, as always, ourselves, with our own hands.

      Not always and not always themselves.
      1. Belo_biletnik
        Belo_biletnik 8 June 2013 09: 48
        +3
        In the Soviet Union, they didn’t really bother with copyright, but you forgot to mention that the USSR also had a lot to do with it. China, unlike the USSR, prefers mainly xeri for now. The creation of something new and their own comes with a great creak.
        1. Delink
          Delink 8 June 2013 10: 02
          +1
          The creation of something new and their own comes with a great creak.

          That's right, because they started doing this recently, for several decades. Therefore, it is easier for them to take technology and learn. And they have serious progress in this. And we often develop and experiment ourselves on our own. And Amers could also carry the latest technology.
          1. Professor
            Professor 8 June 2013 10: 07
            +4
            Quote: Delink
            Therefore, it’s easier for them to take technology and learn.

            You probably meant "samples", not "technologies". It is very difficult to "take" technology, the special services must work here. The Chinese got here a sample that they tried to copy with their underdeveloped technologies. I can assume that the performance characteristics are far from the original.

            And Amers could also carry the latest technology.

            All that can be dragged away is dragged.
      2. Akim
        Akim 8 June 2013 10: 20
        +5
        Quote: Professor
        Not always and not always themselves.

        Prof, let's remember the historical situation. Tupolev proposed to create his own aircraft on the basis of the B-29, but Stalin urgently needed an atomic bomb carrier, so it was "stupidly" copied. Thanks to the American pilot who forgot his camera there (hello FED-2).
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 9 June 2013 15: 49
          0
          Quote: Akim
          Thanks to the American pilot who forgot his camera there (hello FED-2).

          Greetings fellow countryman! Where does the information about copying FED-2 come from (first issue of 1955)? (Or is this another sarcasm? smile ) After all, as you know, the FED camera (FED-1 issue1932) was produced in Kharkov under the license of the Lake company (Lake model-2) By the way, the formation of production took place with the participation of the German side, which in turn expressed skepticism about the ability of Russians (without doing as usual, separation for nations in the USSR) to master such a complex, precision production.
          It is particularly striking that they produced it former homeless children united in the labor commune by the outstanding ascetic and teacher A.S. Makarenko in the difficult 1927 year ...
          1. Akim
            Akim 9 June 2013 16: 37
            -1
            Quote: Corsair
            Greetings fellow countryman! Where did the information about copying FED-2 come from (first issue1955)

            Good afternoon. I heard this once a long time ago from our teacher, and a couple of years ago I heard it again from a program about Tu-4. Of course, he did not immediately become a FED. But this is exactly a copy of the American camera, which was copied along with the rest of the B-29 equipment.
  9. darksoul
    darksoul 8 June 2013 09: 38
    +1
    They copy it, but the quality of the copies is Chinese, so if they take it to a whole new level, it’s sad .... the news recently said that Kaspersky’s laboratory detected a new virus allegedly launched by Chinese hackers that attacked domestic and usa vpk ..... . I hope our lessons will be learned ... I don’t understand. Is it really so difficult not to tie up new developments, but generally secret data in a common local network connected to the Internet.
  10. uzer 13
    uzer 13 8 June 2013 10: 17
    -1
    No one, of course, was surprised that the Chinese made a copy of the drone. They always hunt for it. The idea itself is not bad - a reconnaissance with little autonomy, inconspicuous for detection tools. Why not do this with us, at least start with foreign developments?
  11. Hey
    Hey 8 June 2013 10: 48
    +2
    There are constant reports that China has created an analogue of something, i.e. essentially copied. On this site, it is unanimous that China is a great copyist. And not only on it. And after all this, they want to convince me that gunpowder and paper were first created in China. I DO NOT BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. cyclist
      cyclist 8 June 2013 11: 14
      +1
      China has created an analogue of something, i.e. essentially copied. On this site, it is unanimous that China is a great copyist.

      why doesn’t anyone think about the question of why they need to invent something, firstly, in the case of copying, you get already developed technologies and don’t have to spend money on R&D, secondly, if you invent your own, you get extra problems from the US special services!, thirdly, copies are not thoughtless but selected based on the chosen strategy of China
      ps I won’t be surprised if China will soon assemble the THAAD complex
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 8 June 2013 19: 49
        +1
        Quote: cyclist
        why doesn’t anyone think about the question of why they need to invent something, firstly, in the case of copying, you get already developed technologies and don’t have to spend money on R&D, secondly, if you invent your own, you get extra problems from the US special services!, thirdly, copies are not thoughtless but selected based on the chosen strategy of China
        ps I won’t be surprised if China will soon assemble the THAAD complex

        Without R&D anywhere, even when copying. In addition, you need to steal from the creator of the "technology" - the production technology, as well as the scientific justification of technical solutions.
  12. satellite
    satellite 8 June 2013 11: 57
    0
    I copied the drone to call it more correctly
  13. varov14
    varov14 8 June 2013 13: 35
    0
    "And we often develop and experiment with our own heads. And we could also carry the latest technologies from the amers." ---- It's a very sensible idea how much snot can be chewed. Everything that was leaked in 90 is time to return a hundredfold. Industrial espionage is a profitable industry, it is necessary to introduce it in every possible way, we are trudging somewhere on the margins of new industrial and scientific achievements.
    1. fedorovith
      fedorovith 8 June 2013 22: 15
      0
      Precisely, while we are praising our samples with slingshots, they are moving in the right direction no matter what. And the result will be, and we will discuss who has whom ...
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  15. Conepatus
    Conepatus 8 June 2013 14: 55
    +1
    The Chinese are good fellows. They remind me of trading agents of the USSR since the 30s, of the last century. They also bought any technology around the world. When they couldn’t buy, they stupidly stole and didn’t give a damn to the public opinion. The country's main defense capability is the same.
  16. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 8 June 2013 15: 04
    0
    The Chinese often gained access to American military equipment lost during conflicts. It is worth remembering that Chinese military experts studied the wreckage of the F-117 stealth fighter during the war in Yugoslavia in 1999 (from the article) _______________________________________ In Vietnam, Soviet specialists sometimes got to the fallen "American", but the Chinese had already gutted him. The Chinese clone almost EVERYTHING except for humans. They have an abundance of them.
  17. Strashila
    Strashila 8 June 2013 15: 11
    0
    "... once again demonstrate the inability of the United States to stop the large-scale flow of Western dual and military technologies to China." ... for which they should flow, they themselves place orders for components in China.
  18. Alexander D.
    8 June 2013 21: 26
    0
    What difference does it make - they copy or develop themselves. You look at the pace with which they are expanding their sales market - what has recently been exclusively the patrimony of the United States or Russia is already buying weapons at all in China. With such a pace, by 2020 China will be the second largest exporter of weapons in the world, whether the patriots want it or not!
  19. Des10
    Des10 8 June 2013 22: 22
    0
    Any state explores and applies the trophy new at home. What the USSR, what the states, what China. This is normal. But creating one is more difficult here, but China has a desire, resources, and a goal - to become the No. 1 power in the world - there is. And the party is real.
  20. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 8 June 2013 22: 52
    +1
    Quote: Alexander D.
    What difference does it make - they copy or develop themselves ...


    I completely agree, do not care how they did it, the main thing is IT flies, rides, floats ...

    And for all smart people, then try to do / copy at least something yourself, and then tell us how easy it was ...
  21. Setrac
    Setrac 9 June 2013 00: 18
    -1
    Quote: sergey158-29
    I completely agree, do not care how they did it, the main thing is IT flies, rides, floats ...

    "As a child, I made an airplane out of cardboard boxes and boards! It even flew for me ... when I pushed it off the roof!"
    Do not care, the difference is colossal, HOW it flies.
    1. cyclist
      cyclist 9 June 2013 07: 53
      0
      "As a child, I made an airplane out of cardboard boxes and boards! It even flew for me ... when I pushed it off the roof!"
      Do not care, the difference is colossal, HOW it flies.

      just about, and they have the same plane flying, about R&D I want to note, many models are similar to the original because of a single design school, let's say the Chinese ran in with a ruler to measure the dimensions, somewhere they thought up and voila here is the finished Chinese clone, the same drone in the wind tunnel will already be tested less, and you understand the material you took, we analyzed it in the laboratory and found out the approximate composition, then the electronics are here, each one adjusts for itself, Technical justification, who needs it before?! Styril and done! Do you really think that out of 1,5 billion people there will not be a single talented designer or engineer
    2. Alexander D.
      9 June 2013 12: 23
      -1
      They also copied tanks from the T-54 and T-72, and then made the Type-96, Type-99A, which are now no worse than the western ones ... let them steal the first drone, but then they will rivet their own.
      1. Akim
        Akim 9 June 2013 12: 32
        0
        Quote: Alexander D.
        they were the first drone and "stole", but then they will rivet their

        This is not the first. CH4
  22. UFO
    UFO 9 June 2013 05: 40
    0
    Does anyone else doubt that some Chinese "methods" should be used to our advantage? wink
  23. Abakanets
    Abakanets 9 June 2013 14: 45
    0
    The only thing that keeps China from occupying the Russian Federation is nuclear weapons.
  24. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 9 June 2013 17: 57
    -1
    China is "ripping off" samples of military equipment not only from Russia. Americans are also not immune to Chinese theft. So they steal from the Americans, and we ourselves give them our new technologies. It's a shame ...