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Problems of change of course in Russia. Putin and the elite

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Problems of change of course in Russia. Putin and the eliteLiterally in recent weeks, Putin’s policies have changed dramatically. I wrote about these changes in part earlier, but something needs to be described again. At the same time, it should be understood that I can more or less adequately describe the situation, but I really can’t understand how Putin personally assesses it, or rather, what internal “weights” he puts to one or another factor.


So, what did he have at the time when he made the decision on the appointment of Nabiullina as chairman of the Central Bank? Obviously a difficult state of affairs in the Russian economy and the public sector, the increase in problems associated with the main source of replenishment of the Russian budget (reduction in energy export volumes), as a result - a serious increase in intraelite contradictions. In addition, the promise of “liberals” (remember, this is the self-name of the group in Russia's political elite, which currently controls financial and economic policies and represents the interests of the IMF, the World Bank and the largest transnational banks. The interests of the United States and the Rothschild Group) parts of the Russian elite from the middle of the year 2011 no longer coincide) guarantee the interests of Russian money in the Western financial system and maintain economic growth in the country.

Actually, all these problems began in the autumn of 2008, but for several years it seemed that all of them could be overcome. Nevertheless, most likely, these problems forced Putin to return to the highest state post, however, the illusions of overcoming them within the old management system and the elite structure (which is divided into three large groups: "siloviki", "liberals" and regionalists) still remained . Most likely, it was these illusions and confidence in the promises mentioned that caused the decision to preserve the post of chairman of the Central Bank for the "liberals", but it was precisely that point that was followed by a flurry of trouble.

The first of these was the events in Cyprus, which showed that the “friendship” with the IMF no longer resolves any financial issues, decisions were made at a different state level, and there, even in the administration of the US President, the friends of the Russian “liberals” did not left. Accordingly, questions of the safety of Russian assets (both state and private) increasingly began to pass under the responsibility of the “siloviki” (more precisely, the Foreign Intelligence Service), which dramatically weakened the elite positions of the “liberals”.

The second was the understanding that the economic recession in Russia is already a fait accompli, and it is actively influencing all, including political, processes in the country. At the same time, the question remains whether Putin understood that when the “liberals” in February-March gave him promises of growth, they already knew that the recession had begun. However, most likely, taking into account data of various kinds of wiretaps and other operational data on private conversations of representatives of this group, such data is not a secret for him.

The third trouble was the rapid deterioration of the economic situation due to the fact that the seasonal peak in the current, 2013 year, did not reach the level necessary to maintain the status quo. Most likely, this means that the seasonal decline in the autumn of this year will be weaker than a year ago, but given the fact that during the summer season it will not be possible to accumulate sufficient reserves, there may not be a positive rollback in the economy in the autumn. And in some regions the situation can become quite difficult.

But the worst thing for Putin, who loves tactical maneuvers in the current (preferably positive) trend, but does not like at all and does not know how to change strategic plans, is that it becomes clear to everyone, including “liberals”, that liberal policy can no longer provide economic growth. Basically. And this means that it is necessary to change both the policy and the “liberals” themselves. It’s clear about politics, and why the liberals cannot be saved personally? A very simple. Firstly, politically, they are agents of a certain part of the world elite and simply cannot refuse to fulfill their obligations. Secondly, they were selected in due time based on the criterion of limitation and weakness (so that there were no figures among them capable of breaking into “Napoleons”), so they can count on the fact that they can creatively and constructively create some kind of new political system - naive. Third, all of them are tied to various kinds of corruption schemes, including international ones, and in principle they cannot get out of them. There are other reasons, but those already mentioned are enough to understand that keeping the definition of economic and financial policy in the hands of "liberals" is impossible.

Let us proceed from the logic that this last statement for Putin is, if not already obvious, then at least one of the most likely options for development. And how can he solve this problem? Option one: give the development of financial and economic policy to the two elite groups that exist in the country. Regionals here are definitely not suitable - they do not think at the federal and international level and are not ready for such work (although their opinion must be taken into account). But it is also scary to give this function to the “siloviki”, because in this case they simply will not have a counterweight at the federal level, the “liberals”, having lost their main political function, will quickly leave the stage. In other words, Putin may leave such an option only as a last resort, since he practically deprives him of his ability to control the situation.

Option two, which, in a sense, Putin is trying to implement today. This is the option of creating a certain group that will develop a financial and economic strategy, which will then be “imputed” to the liberal government and the Central Bank. So far, the notorious "May" decrees have been developed, but, theoretically, there is no limit to perfection. However, as practice shows (and not only Putin’s past two months, but also the practice of the Economic Department of the President of the Russian Federation, which really controlled the operational activities of the government in 97-98), the government and the Central Bank will never agree with this practice! They will actively fight against such a center as actively as possible (the Economic Department was actually broken up in the spring - at the beginning of the summer 1998 of the year, having worked just over a year) and sabotage the programs created in this way. What Putin saw in recent weeks.

The third option is to look for another large group that could replace the “liberals” in the Russian elite. This is not a new task - so, at the end of the nineties and the beginning of the two thousandth, the "siloviks" were introduced into the elite, who had been severely exterminated before. The only trouble is that at that time there was a resource for the expansion of the elite, and today it is not even for its preservation in the former number. That is, to solve such a problem, the elite needs to be cut down more than the required reduction of resources, and then introduce new players into it. Who could they be?

There are not so many large groups that can claim such a systemic elite place (requiring quite serious support from the population). This is, by convention, “patriots” (supporters of Russia as a Russian state), imperial monarchists and communists (more precisely, supporters of the Red Project, not to be confused with the operetta Communist Party of the Russian Federation). They are in a difficult relationship, but if they are allowed into power, many contradictions will be forgotten. I think that in this case the new “imperial” logic will be rather quickly assembled, from which extremists of all stripes will be sifted out, and the constructivists will develop some common position. It should be noted that from the point of view of financial and economic policy these groups have no serious contradictions, at the first stage - so sure. However, it is possible that this is due to the fact that there are very few economists left in the country who are capable of writing complex system programs, and they try not to fit into the rigid framework of specific ideological schemes in advance.

However, the question arises - how can one solve such a problem in practice? Everything is simple with the “siloviki”: there has always been a clear hierarchy of authorities and positions. And working with amorphous groups, which, moreover, themselves do not really understand what power is and how to work with it ... At the same time, the general development of the situation, it seems to me, leaves no room for options other than the third, cited here. I think that a maximum until the end of the summer will finally become clear that the second option is not feasible in principle - and this means that in the fall it will be necessary to start building (more precisely, consolidating) a new political force. Which, moreover, will have great electoral potential.

It should be noted that in the West they already understood that the Russian “liberals” have no strategic prospects (although they have not yet understood from whom it is necessary to raise “new liberals”). But we, apparently, have no such understanding yet. And it is possible that by the fall, when it will finally become clear that the second option from the above does not pass, an attempt will be simply made to “tighten the screws” and punish certain delinquent officials. However, this will only accelerate the crisis - and will reduce the time to make a more or less reasonable decision.

In conclusion, I would like to note that the text given is only plausible reasoning. And for this reason, I propose to consider whether Putin has any other options besides the three listed. And also to discuss practical options for the implementation of the third option.
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  1. kind
    kind 8 June 2013 06: 51
    -7
    In conclusion, I would like to note that the text given is only plausible reasoning. And for this reason, I propose to consider whether Putin has any other options besides the three listed. And also to discuss practical options for the implementation of the third option.

    I do not think that the author is far from strategic thinking, and he, unlike Putin, cannot know the whole balance of power. The article is clearly custom-made with the State Department darling.
    And if it does, it’s not with Khazin to discuss various options for GDP.
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    2. Truffoff
      Truffoff 8 June 2013 07: 55
      +2
      The author did not take into account much.
      How laws are passed in Russia

      1. old man54
        old man54 9 June 2013 02: 58
        -1
        Quote: Truffoff
        The author did not take into account much.
        How laws are passed in Russia

        the author himself worked for many years in the apparte of the president of Russia, so it's inappropriately!
    3. 89501358976
      89501358976 8 June 2013 08: 25
      +4
      I don’t understand what the State Department has to do with it?
      1. Truffoff
        Truffoff 8 June 2013 08: 32
        +1
        Who rules Russia.

        That's where.
    4. vezunchik
      vezunchik 8 June 2013 10: 20
      +4
      Firstly, the elites are bandit-type gangs like stools, and their time is gone. This is all. A government of national salvation is needed, and the fear of losing power impedes this process. However, remember the story, life does not tolerate emptiness, stagnation and not decisiveness!
      1. a
        a 8 June 2013 14: 13
        +2
        Quote: vezunchik
        First, the elites are gang-type stools, and their time is gone


        The elites have always been, are and will be. If the time of one of the elite group has passed, then another group will come.
        The state will never be governed by workers. peasants, housewives. Even in the USSR this was not, although they declared it. and it is right.
        1. Just Vasilich
          Just Vasilich 8 June 2013 14: 34
          +3
          From the dialogue of Gleb Zheglov and Volodya Sharapov:
          - Gleb, did you hear that our men on the Military Review website decided to evaluate state and political figures?
          - And "Humpbacked"? Will he also be deservedly deserved?
          - Everyone is evaluated there, starting from Stalin and ending with Putin.
          - Putin? Who is this, why do not I know?
          - We don’t know many there, but men from the site know.
          “Do you trust them, right men?” Well, dyke their address, I will show them how to evaluate. Especially the "Hunchback" ... from the first shot.

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  2. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 8 June 2013 06: 54
    13
    Everything is right. Russia is at an impasse; all strained efforts to build a normal market economy have failed. Everyone, well, or at least the majority understands that it is necessary to restore the state economy with private small business. But how to do that? here is a dead end. Most likely we are waiting for an inert model of the economy. Those. come what may. It's just that everyone will wait for the end of the matter. Such an economic policy may well lead to a social explosion. But it will not be today. So again, everyone hopes for Russian Avos.
    1. Airman
      Airman 8 June 2013 09: 54
      +6
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Everything is right. Russia is at an impasse; all strained efforts to build a normal market economy have failed. Everyone, well, or at least the majority understands that it is necessary to restore the state economy with private small business. But how to do that? here is a dead end. Most likely we are waiting for an inert model of the economy. Those. come what may. It's just that everyone will wait for the end of the matter. Such an economic policy may well lead to a social explosion. But it will not be today. So again, everyone hopes for Russian Avos.


      Everything is correct. Putin and his "elite" themselves will not leave this trough. To prohibit the export of capital abroad, to impose a tax on oligarchs, he cannot afford, the government cannot cope with its tasks. One day the people will run out of patience, and then no one will seem like little Therefore, they keep both state and their own money abroad, and this can lead to the disintegration of Russia, which the United States is striving for.
    2. tungus
      tungus 8 June 2013 10: 00
      +6
      Quote: vladsolo56
      most understand that it is necessary to rebuild the state economy with private small business. But how to do that?

      By and large, this is not difficult to do. In the end, everyone understands that the privatization of the nineties was carried out in violation of the law. Based on these findings, adopt a decree on canceling the results of privatization and returning enterprises to state ownership. No problem. And even special protests, distinct and justified, will not be on the part of the oligarchy, because they will select stolen goods. But this is on condition that they will be taken away from everyone at once, and not so that they took away from someone, but not from someone. In general, it’s not difficult.

      It is much more difficult to get out of IMF structures and untie the ruble from the dollar. Without this, the economy will not succeed. And in order to untie the ruble, it is necessary to change the constitution. Not the fact that a constitutional majority will be typed in the Duma. But even if it does, the very fact of Russia’s withdrawal from the IMF will block our gold foreign exchange reserves. Again, all cash flow schemes will need to be changed — excluding western banks. It will be necessary to decide for what currency we will sell oil and gas, despite the fact that this currency cannot be not the dollar, nor the euro, nor the ruble, for the first time.
      Again, the failure to make payments in dollars will provoke a collapse on the exchanges, a sharp intensification of the global crisis, a drop in global demand, a drop in world production, a sharp increase in unemployment, social explosions and so on, up to the third world list.
      So, you need to do something, but what exactly and somehow is not clear. And simple nationalization of enterprises cannot solve all the problems. But something needs to be done now.
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 8 June 2013 13: 56
        +4
        Quote: tungus
        need to change the constitution

        Here it is - the key question and answer!
        Therefore, a change of elites is necessary to amend the Constitution of the Russian Federation)).
        Personally, I am a supporter of the point of view that Putin is not a traitor and not an agent, but a politician of Stalin's level)) If this is (suppose) so, then the Anglo-Saxons will have "fun" days. And we all have a lot of interesting and difficult work to revive the Empire)).
    3. sams
      sams 8 June 2013 11: 47
      +5
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Everyone, well, or at least the majority understands that it is necessary to restore the state economy

      "Russian President Vladimir Putin opposed the nationalization of resource companies. During a meeting of the State Council, Communist Party leader Gennady Zyuganov once again proposed to nationalize oil and gas companies. However, the president did not support this idea."
      www.itar-tass.com
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 8 June 2013 11: 55
        +2
        Of course he didn’t support him, because he perfectly understands that no one will allow him to take such a step. It is possible to carry out nationalization, only for this it will be necessary to push forward modern laws, and apply force structures. The President will never take such a step.
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 8 June 2013 15: 17
        0
        If Putin is against the nationalization of resources, then he is simply the ENEMY OF RUSSIA !!! He needs to be urgently changed! The question is to whom !!! The whole opposition, the same enemies, only without power !!! Is there a dead end?
    4. a
      a 8 June 2013 14: 16
      +4
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Everything is right. Russia is at an impasse; all strained efforts to build a normal market economy have failed.


      Here Khazin describes a real situation. But he did not say who brought the country to such a situation. Given the fact that Putin has been in power for almost 13 years, then probably he is the main culprit in this situation. But for the sake of getting out of such a well..you agreed to the consolidation of all forces (from right to left, from white to red) so that my country would get out of such a well..y
  3. My address
    My address 8 June 2013 06: 56
    +6
    We got these government elites. Yesterday I looked at Putin’s reaction to the actions of ministers. How he tolerates this kindergarten led by such a nurse! They loyally look in the eyes and nothing more. After such absurdities of LADIES from shame, one should at least go to the skete, I am ashamed to write about the maximum. I am just surprised how DAME chose the adequate civilian minister of Medina. Only the power unit is normal.
  4. fenix57
    fenix57 8 June 2013 07: 02
    +3
    The first option (point two) is more appealing, namely: to delegate the development of financial and economic policy to the "siloviki". hi
    1. bask
      bask 8 June 2013 07: 49
      +7
      Quote: fenix57
      : to give the development of financial and economic policies to the "siloviki".

      I am also impressed, especially if the dimon, is replaced by S. Ivanov. In the prime minister’s chair.
      Quote: fenix57
      whether Putin has any other options besides the above three.

      These are only projects, all actions are for the GDP. But the liberals-liberalists in the government and the Kremlin are already for everyone ... and ... completely.
      Need a change of course-liberal. ON SOCIALLY ORIENTED !!!!
      All liberal liberals ((in court)) to Kolyma, with full CONFISCATION of all the loot.
      But, it’s a pipe dream today! It’s so easy to tear these bugs from power. Sucked to death, all of Russia. Need DUST !!!
      1. scrack
        scrack 8 June 2013 09: 17
        +1
        Ski they need to run faster
      2. fzr1000
        fzr1000 8 June 2013 10: 43
        +9
        Ivanov also covered the embezzlement, in the same RosKosmos and GLONASS. And those "siloviki" who are at the top of power today have been poisoned by the golden calf. You cannot fully rely on them. We need a counterbalance and "fresh blood" in the elites.
        1. sams
          sams 8 June 2013 12: 06
          +4
          Quote: fzr1000
          And those "siloviki" who are at the top of power today have been poisoned by the golden calf.


          Superkit Yakunin, trimmed with Italian marble, estimated cost of 75 million US dollars.

          "I worked there. I built that bathhouse. I can confirm everything. I saw Yakunin there, I can talk for a long time. About three years ago I worked there. This is Akulinino. It is surrounded by a fence, pass only by passes. There were 300 Vietnamese people who worked there. they killed all the fish there with electric fishing. Finishing the external Italian marble. Bathhouse - three buildings, 14 by 14 meters, Italian furniture, a marble bar, fireplace, stained glass windows. It is glass, there are no walls as such, changing rooms, showers, everything is very expensive. There is a pool of 50 meters in the house. There is a store for fur coats, a refrigerator. A small house is a son, a guest, and the main one is his. There is a prayer house, a chapel. Like Metrostroy dug ponds there for 150 million. Tiles are decorated with gold, and the room is very large. - hamam, bath, steam room, panorama to look at the forest ", - said the man. However, later this message was removed from the RSN website. But other publications and bloggers managed to replicate it. Note that earlier the same happened with the original publication of photographs also from an anonymous builder on the entertainment site "YaPlakal", from where they were removed, but before that many had already re-posted them.
          We will remind, in the message about five dozen photos said that the dacha occupies 70 hectares near Domodedovo. According to the author of the post, he was engaged in a "smart home". There they "dug their own lakes, built a" small "garage for 15 cars, a separate box for the" Maybach ", built one and a half kilometers of underground passages from the main house to the garage." On the territory of the estate there is a two-storey house for servants, a 50-meter swimming pool, "there is an orphan's bathhouse, for 1400 square meters."
          "You have nothing to do on this river, here big people bought large plots of land" - the security guards explained to the journalist. After conducting a small investigation, he found out who these "big people", living behind the barbed wire and actually privatized part of the Zlodeyka river along with the temple and the village, were. According to the journalist, these are the former presidential aide Sergei Yastrzhembsky and Vladimir Yakunin. About six months ago, another Internet user also reported about the fact that "Yastrebzhemsky and the general director of Russian Railways live here" in the comments on wikimapia, writes Newsru.com.
    2. a
      a 8 June 2013 14: 21
      +2
      Quote: fenix57
      The first option (point two) is more appealing, namely: to delegate the development of financial and economic policy to the "siloviki"


      there is one very delicate moment. the fact is that Putin himself does not belong to the "power elite." now he plays the role of arbiter between the "siloviki" and "liberals". if the siloviki are given full power, then they will remove Putin himself. because the "power elite" itself is very conservative. she does not know how to work through national procedures (elections, laws).
      Ivanov is unlikely to become prime minister for one simple reason - he is a very strong competitor for Putin. moreover, in the event of a conflict between Putin and Ivanov, the "power elite" will side with Ivanov. but Putin cannot move far because of the great influence of the "siloviks"
  5. terp 50
    terp 50 8 June 2013 07: 22
    +3
    ... ah, ah, ah ... ,, zkoty 90! ,, - Steal until you turn blue, rob, kill and everything with impunity. You don’t know how to ear or snout (except to steal), BUT, our little man means, at least we will make you the mayor. The main RESPONSIBILITY is not what ... And maybe enough gentlemen? The Moor did his job (ruined the RUSSIAN EMPIRE), the Moor can leave. (And then the ancestors have been knocked together for 300 years, and we ...)
  6. SPACE
    SPACE 8 June 2013 07: 23
    12
    Khazin is one and not many, and perhaps the only one who is trying to look ahead and understand all the chiroweaving of the current government, understand their logic and predict further actions. In order for the ship to go forward against the wind, it is required to go tack, i.e. sometimes against the direction of the desired, visible and evaluating the direction in the current direction is primitive and incorrect. All the rest are just extras, weathercocks. That's right, the Liberal-financial clan is hostages of the West and at the same time Putin's shield against the same West, which guarantees growth and protection from "intrigues." The crisis and the situation with Cyprus showed that every man for himself and the West no longer needs our liberals, which means that Putin will not need them either. From here and should dance. All! The Libemaurs did their job. Russia will have to become independent and it remains to rely only on itself, on its internal strength, with a possible increase in pressure from outside and inside. Let's see how Putin can cope with this SUPERIOR TASK, but for 1000 km or so there is no one who can handle it! ... Perhaps he led to this ...
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 8 June 2013 13: 43
      -2
      That's right, thank you.
    2. a
      a 8 June 2013 14: 27
      0
      Quote: SPACE
      which means they will not need Putin either


      I think that's not the case. yes "liberals" liquid crap. but:
      1. they have significant influence
      2. they have very significant resources, including financial, media. it’s just not possible to take these resources from them.
      3. Khazin is right, leaving one "power elite" is very dangerous. even if the "liberals" are weak, there is simply no other counterweight to the "siloviks" now. "liberals" can be written off when they are replaced by another elite group. even if there are no "liberals" as an elite, then another group is needed. firstly, for containment. secondly, competition gives its results. and when it is not there, then the development stops
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 8 June 2013 15: 41
        +1
        And what is "Liberals" or, for example, the current "Communists" I suppose it's such a convention, a sign like in a store. In Russia, the real liberals ended in the 30s, and the real communists in the 90s. Today's faces are just people with signs and changing the window for them will not be difficult. Indeed, in the conditions of today's people's democracy, it is necessary to meet the aspirations of our people ... or the Western, from whom they will be more useful.
        The pseudo-liberals are caught between a rock and a hard place, between the West and Putin. For Putin, they are an instrument of access to the West, such as translators, for the West, they are access to the levers of Russia, and since Putin is gradually depriving them of access, interest from the West in them is decreasing. Well, the "liberals" themselves are prepared for the path of either Khodorkovsky or Berezovsky, the smartest will change the signboard to pro-Putin.
        Putin is just a very smart and sober person, he perfectly understands that you cannot go far on desires, he is trying to use the material that is at hand. In general, it seems to me that Putin resembles a Bear laden on all sides, who is fighting for Russia alone, which even his own people do not understand and betray.
        And he leads Russia correctly, otherwise there would be no Boreas or Syria ... but the path is still far and full of danger ...
  7. erased
    erased 8 June 2013 07: 50
    +7
    One clarification - in Russia, not the political elite. There is a gang of thieves and bandits sitting on money and a pipe. And the top of this gang in the Kremlin. That's the whole layout.
  8. ole
    ole 8 June 2013 08: 32
    +5
    Khazin, as always, a fellow, is trying to analyze everything, but life, as always, will make its corrections.
  9. individual
    individual 8 June 2013 08: 35
    +4
    In the system of checks and balances, the role of security officials and liberals turned out to be shifted towards the liberal group in the political elite of Russia, which currently controls financial and economic policies and represents the interests of the IMF, the World Bank and the group of major transnational banks.
    The role of security officials was reduced to the accumulation of capital and the loss of patriotic spirit in the Russian economy.
    The president and government are missing out on the chance to attract nationally oriented economists to the real economy. S. Glazyev, M. Khazin, N. Krichevsky and others with their like-minded people are able to make up the third "force" of Russia's economic renewal.
  10. fenix57
    fenix57 8 June 2013 08: 48
    +5
    Quote: My address
    a garden led by such a nanny! Loyally look into the eyes and nothing more. After such absurdities, DAM, from shame, you must at least go to the monastery, I’m embarrassed to write about the maximum

    So probably they did not find a place for SKITA (if only Severnaya Zemlya ...).
  11. uzer 13
    uzer 13 8 June 2013 09: 01
    10
    If you write shorter and more understandable, it turns out the following: the Russian government represents the interests of not the people, but large industrial capital, and all elective events are financed from this source. For the capitalist, there are no such concepts as homeland, morality, people. For them, Russia is the geographic space that exists only on paper, where they earn money. And the Russian people are a large number of Aborigines who have neither income, nor property, nor rights, and are an inexpensive application to industrial enterprises. Out of habit, they consider themselves Russian or Russians, but in fact they exist only because there is still a need for labor. In another scenario, conditions will be created for their rapid disappearance. The contradictions between the people and Moscow political figures are obvious and insoluble in the framework of simple cosmetic transformations in the government and all kinds of political castling.
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 8 June 2013 13: 49
      -3
      In general, everything is exactly so, but given the fact that the president can be seen as a counterweight to the government, a positive fact for us, by the way.
      1. Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt 8 June 2013 16: 18
        -2
        Minus, minus, I already know you all by nicknames.
        Lied smile
  12. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 8 June 2013 09: 06
    +3
    Russia is in a systemic crisis! I agree - you do not have any elite, only oligarchs in power (and Putin # 1) !! Depending on the situation, he shuffles them like a deck of cards. "Honest" people come across, but they will not see key places, the system remained Soviet, only the "politburo" and "city executive committees" were replaced by "oligarchy" and "mayor's office", moreover, all this happened at the expense of the people and their tacit consent ... that each "people" is worthy of its "ruler" !!!

    The question is whether there is a way out ... only a change of the whole rotten top, but it is UNREAL and SORRY ...
    1. Truffoff
      Truffoff 8 June 2013 09: 46
      +1
      Quote: sergey158-29
      The question is whether there is a way out ... only a change of the whole rotten top, but it is UNREAL and SORRY ...

      Are you not aware that the country is occupied? All our talk about the oligarchs, the elites, the authorities for the true masters is just mouse fuss.
      An occasion to laugh at us.
      1. Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt 8 June 2013 13: 50
        -2
        Yes, he does not know. To understand? - what for?

        Or a banal provocateur, of whom there are many.
      2. Normal
        Normal 8 June 2013 15: 07
        +1
        Quote: Truffoff
        Are you not aware that the country is occupied?

        I do not know.
        Occupation (from lat. Occupatio - "capture, occupation") in the general case - occupation ARMED FORCES state (the occupying army and navy) of the territory not belonging to it, not accompanied by the acquisition of sovereignty over it, usually temporary ....

        Signs of occupation ....
        Obligatory presence in a state of war de jure or de facto, the violent nature of the invasion of the armed forces of the occupying side ....
        Mandatory adoption of management functions, the establishment of its administration in the occupied territory ....

        Wikipedia.

        So.
        1. Please indicate when and where the military units of the occupying forces are deployed. Their number and nationality.
        2. What armed conflict (war) resulted in a violent invasion of the forces of the occupying side?
        3. Is it possible to consider state institutions of the Russian Federation as an occupation administration? Is the President of the Russian Federation the head of the occupation administration?

        Less listen to Fedorov, often specify terms, concepts and definitions. hi
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 8 June 2013 15: 28
          +1
          International law distinguishes three types of occupation:
          1.
          imperialin which the occupied territory joins the territory of the occupying state, while losing completely its sovereignty. Under imperial occupation, the legislation of the occupying country (metropolis) is transferred to the territory of the colony, or, in other words, the territory of the colony, but the population of the colony does not receive the rights of citizens of the metropolis;

          2.
          militaryin which the occupied territory does not join the territory of the occupying state, but local laws and local authorities cease to exist in the occupied territory and are replaced by a military occupation regime in which the population of the occupied territory does not enjoy the rights of citizens of the occupying state;

          3.
          guarantee, which occurs as a result of the entry of troops of one state into the territory of another state in order to provide this (i.e., another) state with the conditions of an agreement previously concluded between the two states. Under guaranteed occupation, the occupied state does not lose its state sovereignty, only its restriction occurs. The occupied territory is not included in the territory of the occupying state and, accordingly, the legislation of the occupying country does not apply to the occupied territory, however, the local legislation is temporarily (until the occupied state fulfills the conditions of the interstate agreement) is limited or completely suspended.
          Quote: Normal
          Signs of occupation ....

          Probably, as the INFORMATION war has not yet been described in an accessible exposition, the type of modern occupation has not yet been described)).
          Suppose this new species bears signs of an IMPERIAL and WARRANTY occupation)).
          By the way, about the information war ... For example, you used Wikipedia as the evidence base, which is tightly controlled by our ... partners)).
          1. Normal
            Normal 8 June 2013 16: 18
            -1
            Quote: ctepx
            International law distinguishes three types of occupation:
            What is "international law"? Link to the document, if you please.
            Quote: ctepx
            imperial, in which the occupied territory joins the territory of the occupying state, while losing completely its sovereignty.

            How is this occupation carried out? With the help of the sun? / Well then, please answer the question
            Quote: Normal
            when and where are the military units of the occupying forces located?
            Or if the occupation is "imperial" then the Armed Forces are not involved? Then it is not an occupation, but the establishment of political, economic and other dependence.
            Quote: ctepx
            military

            Quote: ctepx
            guarantee

            Well. The armed forces of the occupier have already appeared here. And where did they go in the first case? If during the "imperial occupation" (once again; a link to the resource where this "occupation" appears), the armed forces are not introduced to the annexed territory (in the case of voluntary accession, for example), then the occupation does not occur. For an occupation is always the introduction of troops and the establishment of an occupation administration.
            Quote: ctepx
            Probably, as the INFORMATION war has not yet been described in an accessible exposition, the type of modern occupation has not yet been described)).

            Everything is perfectly described and there is a definition for everything. Many have been given a definition in Roman law. It is not necessary to substitute terms and definitions for the sake of the red word and in your political interests.
            In this case, the substitution becomes a lie and on the basis of this lie Fedorov earns himself political (and consequently material) capital.

            Quote: ctepx
            For example, you used Wikipedia as the evidence base, which is tightly controlled by our ... partners)).

            Old argument. Perhaps, quite possibly ... But WIKI is a free encyclopedia. If you see inaccuracy or malicious distortion of information in any material, you can always try to fix it. If your corrections are rejected, then you can declare this injustice to the whole world and accuse VIKI of misinformation. Can you submit such a statement at the moment? No? Well then, there is nothing .... Wikipedia always has links to articles, dictionaries, and other resources. You can always take information from another resource and it will not contradict Wikipedia. Just VIKI is convenient and extensive, and therefore popular.
            And you brought up some mythical (so far there are no references to documents and resources) "International Law" as evidence base and, by the way, did not answer any of my questions. I would especially like to hear the answer to the third question.
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 8 June 2013 20: 21
              +1
              Quote: Normal
              Wiki - free encyclopedia

              Here is a reference for you)).
              http://www.dazzle.ru/antifascism/occupation.shtml
              Or here: http://www.klaipeda1945.org/russkoe-zarubezhje/opredelenie-okkupatsii/
              But Fedorov, in principle, speaks of NEW methods of occupation, and you clinging to the term, reject the consideration of the essence)).
              Are we not paying tribute? Gold reserves, brains, children? Are we entitled to a state ideology? Can we finance preparation for service in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation from local, regional budgets? Or from the federal, for example, the Ministry of Education?
              Answers: we pay, we do not have the right, we can not)).
              And you are Wikipedia, Wikipedia)). This is such a special resource, teaching that there are facts, but there is PR)). And PR is more important)).
              1. Strezhevchanin
                Strezhevchanin 8 June 2013 21: 45
                +4
                Normal and STERKH, why are you both climbing into the jungle so that the reader does not understand you even more? The most important thing is that the fact of the presence of the Israeli-London-Washington special services in the destruction of the union is simply not denied by anyone, call it whatever you like! The main thing is that ours have passed us and these "SVOI" dosikhpors are sitting somewhere in their offices and continue to fit us into the global project. It is necessary to start with these personalities and it is quite rightly said KON-STI-TU-CII. hi Threat-Stalin was right: Cadres decide everything.
                1. Normal
                  Normal 9 June 2013 00: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: Strezhevchanin
                  Threat-Stalin was right: Cadres decide everything.

                  I totally agree. The qualities of our personnel are known.
                2. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 9 June 2013 00: 49
                  +2
                  Quote: Strezhevchanin
                  Cadres decide everything.

                  The main thing is not for the personnel department bully
                  1. WILD
                    WILD 9 June 2013 00: 52
                    +1
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    The main thing is not for the personnel department

                    The main thing is that the suit is sitting! wink



                    Well, you understand, when you will try on it with your son-in-law! repeat fellow
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 9 June 2013 00: 57
                      +2
                      Quote: WILD
                      when to try on with the son-in-law

                      By the way, they have something in common in appearance what Yes, and sometimes I want to hang on the hook angry wassat
                      1. WILD
                        WILD 9 June 2013 01: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        By the way, they have something in common in appearance

                        Well, sailed .....
                        No words, just drooling .., good son-in-law to torment .....

                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Yes, and sometimes I want to hang on the hook

                        It’s hard to hang all the intelligence .... I won’t call her, but if you want, let's recall youth ....

                      2. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 9 June 2013 01: 09
                        +2
                        Классика good drinks
                        Quote: WILD
                        good son-in-law to torment .....

                        This work bully
  13. old man54
    old man54 9 June 2013 03: 17
    0
    Quote: sergey158-29

    The question is whether there is a way out ... only a change of the whole rotten top, but it is UNREAL and SORRY ...

    why, really, but it’s all good together, and so far 50% are not ready for this!
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 8 June 2013 10: 13
    +3
    VVP until the very end believed the "sovereign people", many of whom ended up in their places by the will of a crafty chance. The question of the systemic crisis has come to its logical end, since not only do government officials work outside their profile, lacking sufficient knowledge and experience (when asked who invited them there, Surkov's resignation answered), they have long been sabotaging the president's instructions. Dumont, as prime minister, screwed up again.
    Therefore, there will be resignations, dismissals, and rearrangements in the government and ministries.
    Administrative (immediately) and criminal (later) liability will be tightened.
    GDP has time and desire.
    He will succeed.
    hi
    1. Airman
      Airman 8 June 2013 21: 08
      +3
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      . Dumont, like a prime minister, once again screwed up.
      Therefore, there will be resignations, dismissals, and rearrangements in the government and ministries.
      Administrative (immediately) and criminal (later) liability will be tightened.
      GDP has time and desire.
      He will succeed.
      hi


      You are not right about criminal liability - your GDP does not give up. Luzhkov (Serdyukov soon) abroad, as well as Skrynik. Steal billions - and you are free, steal 1000, they will be imprisoned for 3 years. Russian justice.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 8 June 2013 21: 52
        +3
        Quote: Povshnik
        You are not right about criminal liability - GDP does not give up

        He has no way out - officials are greyhound before our eyes: as soon as they are FIRED for their unsuitability, they quickly knock over the hill, and declare themselves political emigrants.
        Otherwise, he will be FIRED.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 8 June 2013 10: 54
    +1
    There may be 4 scenarios. Search among junior and middle managers, and grow them to the right heights.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 8 June 2013 10: 59
      +3
      Quote: Gardamir
      Search among junior and middle managers, and grow them to the right heights.

      And so it is. Or maybe it’s necessary.
      Today, the issue of drive of the governing apparatus is extremely acute.
    2. old man54
      old man54 9 June 2013 03: 29
      -1
      and who grew the GDP? He came and started ... but now they are rubbing in what is needed in stages so that everything would be!
  • varov14
    varov14 8 June 2013 10: 54
    +1
    I IMAGINE THAT NOW WILL BE, SHOULD I NOT SCAND.
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  • Xroft
    Xroft 8 June 2013 10: 57
    0
    Regionals here just do not fit - they do not think at the federal and international level and are not ready for such work (although their opinion must be taken into account).

    I would not be so critical of talking about these people, they had vast experience working specifically at the federal level (inter-republican / regional ties still remain key factors in the internal economic development of many regions). And international experience can always be gained when there are real levers of influence, again specifically for the current situation (and for the country as a whole) giving the regionals more power, will increase the popularity of the ruling party in the country.
  • Alexey M
    Alexey M 8 June 2013 11: 43
    +6
    Somehow to call our ,, liberals, “the elite doesn’t turn the tongue. Thieves, embezzlers, state criminals, please, but the elite doesn’t!
  • satellite
    satellite 8 June 2013 11: 50
    -1
    Who here Fedorov puts this clown in, he himself is "smeared" with this power, that is, g ... om. What kind of manager is this GDP if he can’t even deal with his subordinates, 14 years down the drain. on GDP and its course from the big bell tower
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 8 June 2013 14: 08
      -2
      quote = satelite] Who inserts this clown Fedorov here [/ quote]
      And you do not look down his tail)). You try to disagree with its conclusions)). [
      1. Normal
        Normal 8 June 2013 15: 16
        +2
        Quote: ctepx
        You try to disagree with his conclusions.

        I have already tried and completely disagreed with some of his (main) findings. For example, with the following conclusion; "the country is occupied"
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 8 June 2013 16: 09
          0
          Quote: Normal
          I have already tried and completely disagreed with some of its (main) conclusions.

          You did not agree with Fedorov’s conclusions, but with definitions)). Well, as in the saying: once - not ...)).
          1. Normal
            Normal 8 June 2013 17: 15
            +1
            Quote: ctepx
            You didn’t agree with Fedorov’s conclusions, but with definitions

            If the definitions are initially substituted and the terms are distorted, then the conclusions cannot be true; not for this were substitutions made and perverted concepts.
            Quote: ctepx
            Well, as in the saying: once - not ...)).
            What? "Unpleasant topic? Expert in the matter? Do you want to talk about it?
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 8 June 2013 20: 53
              -1
              Quote: Normal
              definitions are initially replaced and terms are perverted

              You see, Fedorov says the following: "The modern Russian state was originally created by the invaders" ... Bearing in mind that not only traitors and political idiots frolic on the wreckage of the Soviet Union, but also "puppeteers", those who later declared that the USSR lost the Cold War and, using military force, pushed through the adoption of the 93rd Constitution.
              Quote: Normal
              What? "Unpleasant topic?

              When constructing the phrases you condemn, you can argue about the meaning, or you can about the definition)).
              1. Normal
                Normal 8 June 2013 23: 45
                -2
                Quote: ctepx
                When constructing the phrases you condemn, you can argue about the meaning, or you can about the definition)).

                It is clear .... We do not want to answer for the "bazaar". Well, in that case you more than once, and certainly ...)).
                You can argue about the meaning, but you can about the definition))
                Quote: ctepx
                You see, Fedorov says the following:

                You see, discussing demagogy, that Fedorova, that yours I don’t see the point. Fedorovskaya discussed already
                http://topwar.ru/24633-okkupirovannaya-rossiya.html#comment-id-947430
                And yours is all the more not interesting.
                1. Normal
                  Normal 9 June 2013 00: 04
                  -2
                  STERHOU
                  Here is an opinion about Fedorov’s demagogy, with which I completely agree.
                  vaf (1) February 24, 2013 18:59 ↑
                  DEMAGOGY is a set of oratory and polemical techniques that allow you to mislead the audience and incline it to your side.
                  This is a deliberate violation of logic, when a statement, while preserving external logic, actually contains logical errors; it is a banal substitution of concepts and an excessive emphasis on particulars.
                  And the most universal means of demagoguery, when all other methods did not have an effect, of course, the transition to the individual: "The speaker is not a good person and an unpleasant skunk, so he cannot have his own opinion." The demagogue in general never seeks the truth; he pursues goals known only to him.
                  Therefore, engaging in a polemic with a demagogue is more expensive for yourself - wasted time!
                  This is precisely what Mr. Fedorov is doing, and nothing more!

                  Since you ...)). and an obvious demagogue, then I will follow the advice of vafa and will not argue with you. This post to you is the last. hi
                  1. WILD
                    WILD 9 June 2013 00: 10
                    +2
                    Quote: Normal
                    Normal (1

                    Here are the brothers, learn from Ch.M.O.Shnik (not an insult, this is his life),
                    can cite quotes or your statements, pulling them out of context !!
                    Per se NOTHING does not represent! wassat
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        2. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt 8 June 2013 16: 58
          +3
          for example with such a conclusion; "the country is occupied"

          Yes, no, the country is sovereign, it’s obvious to anyone normalyeah.
          1. Normal
            Normal 8 June 2013 17: 07
            +1
            A normal person can see and understand a lot of things, but a stupid one needs to read a little, understand the terms and definitions, find out first what is "sovereignty" and "occupation" Try to finally turn on the brain or what is left there after anabolics and steroids, and not try to think muscle.
            1. Grishka100watt
              Grishka100watt 8 June 2013 17: 25
              +1
              I read a little, and use my brain, and I understand in terms, and not only in terms, and I also understand who is who, and who for whom wink
              And yours, I hope, will soon be organizing corporate events and handing metal gifts for the group work in the information field, well, trips, from the organization) Free)
        3. Strezhevchanin
          Strezhevchanin 8 June 2013 22: 28
          +1
          Quote: Normal
          "the country is occupied"

          That you rested in one phrase, a person simply provides a lot of interesting, useful information. At first, this term also warped me, as well as the constantly used phrase-National Liberation Movement, but the whole soup is in the details, that’s the main thing. hi
          1. Normal
            Normal 9 June 2013 00: 33
            -2
            Quote: Strezhevchanin
            That you rested in one phrase, a person simply provides a lot of interesting, useful information.

            Alexander, the fact is that Fedorov gives so much "information" that videos with his participation last for hours. I rested in one phrase to show the substitution of concepts, that is, lies and demagoguery. If this is so necessary, then there are dozens of such substitutions at Fedorov's. But this is no longer about me - sorry for the time.
            Quote: Strezhevchanin
            but the whole soup is in the details, that’s the main thing.

            The fact of the matter is that these details are often false
            ".... I am a one hundred percent Democrat ...." It can be seen. Only democrats are capable of such nonsense.
            "..... In Leningrad, 90 percent died ....", ".... Putin's uprising", "Censorship against Putin works hard."

            I specifically looked at the article
            http://topwar.ru/24633-okkupirovannaya-rossiya.html#comment-id-947430
            and comments (yours including) to her. But I remain of my opinion and believe that the Botanologist, vaf, and partly Ascetic, accurately described Fedorov.
            1. Strezhevchanin
              Strezhevchanin 9 June 2013 11: 29
              +2
              Quote: Normal
              The fact of the matter is that these details are often false

              What say request time will tell hoo hoo and think very soon hi
  • Field
    Field 8 June 2013 12: 08
    0
    Quote: uzer 13
    If you write shorter and more understandable, it turns out the following: the Russian government represents the interests of not the people, but large industrial capital, and all elective events are financed from this source. For the capitalist, there are no such concepts as homeland, morality, people. For them, Russia is the geographic space that exists only on paper, where they earn money. And the Russian people are a large number of Aborigines who have neither income, nor property, nor rights, and are an inexpensive application to industrial enterprises. Out of habit, they consider themselves Russian or Russians, but in fact they exist only because there is still a need for labor. In another scenario, conditions will be created for their rapid disappearance. The contradictions between the people and Moscow political figures are obvious and insoluble in the framework of simple cosmetic transformations in the government and all kinds of political castling.


    The interests of elites often have nothing to do with the interests of the people.
    This is the reality in which we live (and always have lived).
    I recommend reading the classic R. Michels "The Iron Law of the Oligarchy"
    Brought out about a century ago.
  • Alexey M
    Alexey M 8 June 2013 12: 25
    0
    Caution on site liberal started all minus. wink
  • satellite
    satellite 8 June 2013 12: 36
    +3
    You are not tired of praying for the sun, but how it’s not clear that everything good has been done in the economy thanks to people and not to authorities, people work every day and the government earns money on a budget separately, if the government worked, it would be better to live in Europe
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 8 June 2013 13: 59
      +7
      Quote: satelite
      if the government worked, then they would live better than Europe

      No offense...
      A typical statement of a person who has never led a team of more than 2-3 people.
      "If I were a queen ..."
      1. Normal
        Normal 8 June 2013 15: 26
        +4
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        A typical statement of a person who has never led a team of more than 2-3 people.

        A typical statement of a person who has never seen Putin's appointees lead, experiencing illusions about their personal and professional qualities, as well as being mistaken about the goals and objectives of the current government.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 8 June 2013 16: 11
          +3
          Quote: Normal
          A typical statement from a person who has never seen Putin's appointees

          You would have all about the Masonic lodge, but about the Rosicrucians ...
          "... The whole world of violence we ...".
          Stop criticizing ...
          1. Normal
            Normal 8 June 2013 17: 33
            +2
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            You would have all about the Masonic lodge, but about the Rosicrucians ...

            Quote please ... about the masses and the Rosicrucians. No argument - come up with something that was not?
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            "... The whole world of violence we ...".

            Do not flatter yourself - you are not the whole world of violence, but only used in dark material for its prosperity.
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Stop criticizing ...

            Again; pzhlst quote with criticism.
            Are you the moral authority of the site, the moderator, or the administration to tell me that enough is enough?
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 8 June 2013 22: 41
              +4
              Quote: Normal
              Again; pzhlst quote with criticism.
              Are you the moral authority of the site, the moderator, or the administration to tell me that enough is enough?

              I will answer. That's not difficult.
              1. In their search for conspiracies, and "close-minded" who are used "in the dark", one feels an attempt to find a secret society (Masons, Rosicrucians) and open their eyes to this, implicitly in their nickname "modestly" designate themselves as a normal, correct person, with an open-ended look at what is happening around.
              2. At the same time, no specifics are given. It all comes down to banal attacks on the opponent, which is pure criticism.
              God be your judge ...
              1. Normal
                Normal 8 June 2013 23: 08
                0
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                1. In their search for conspiracies, and "narrow-minded" who are used "in the dark", one feels an attempt to find a secret society (Freemasons, Rosicrucians) and open the eyes of the world to this,

                That is, there are no quotes. But there are assumptions and fabrications that are attributed to the opponent. Very comfortably.
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                latently in his nickname "modestly" designate himself as a normal, correct person, with an open-minded look at what is happening around.

                "Modestly" to describe yourself as normal is okay. It is not normal when the desire to consider oneself as normal triggers an abnormal reaction. A person who is hurt by the fact that someone considers himself normal cannot be considered normal himself.
                My nickname is to some extent a provocation and you "reacted" to it
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                2. At the same time, no specifics are given. It all comes down to banal attacks on an opponent,

                The specifics will be. I’m looking for my old post where it is (too lazy to write the same thing) But I don’t see the specifics for you, but I see banal attacks on the opponent.
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                which is pure criticism.
                Again your unconfirmed fabrications.
                PS
                Cling to the nickname - to ignore!
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 8 June 2013 23: 22
                  +4
                  Quote: Normal
                  Again your unconfirmed fabrications.

                  Well...
                  This is not even funny ...
                  1. Normal
                    Normal 9 June 2013 01: 10
                    0
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    This is not even funny ...

                    Of course not funny. You ascribe to me your own fabrications and on the basis of them you draw your conclusions about me.
                    You have not confirmed any of your statements with my quote. But by logical reasoning they decided that I criticize, as well as:
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    1.Looking for conspiracies...... felt an attempt to find a secret society (Freemasons, Rosicrucians) and open their eyes to the world,

                    When it seems that one should be baptized, but what do they do when it is "felt"?
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 9 June 2013 02: 01
                      +3
                      Quote: Normal
                      When it seems necessary to be baptized,

                      Yes, do not be clever.
                      Moscow spirit carries a mile away.
                      As well as impotent anger on oneself in spirit like that for having wiped off the state feeder - now you have to deal with the cab.
                      Turn the steering wheel honorably and evenly and oddly.
                2. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 8 June 2013 23: 48
                  +3
                  Quote: Normal
                  Cling to the nickname - to ignore!

                  Volodya hi It's time to get used to it request Before me, one dug up that Ruslan is written in Latin letters fool
                3. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 8 June 2013 23: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: Normal
                  "Modestly" to describe yourself as normal is okay. It is not normal when the desire to consider oneself as normal triggers an abnormal reaction. A person who is hurt by the fact that someone considers himself normal cannot be considered normal himself.

                  Vladimir! Sorry, I don’t know the middle name hi Well, and what fate brought you from the Faculty of Philosophy of Moscow State University to the administrative cesspool and even the driver? what laughing
                  1. Normal
                    Normal 9 June 2013 00: 56
                    0
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Well, and what fate ...

                    I don’t know .... Probably just lucky ...
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 9 June 2013 00: 59
                      +1
                      Quote: Normal
                      Probably just lucky ...

                      If I were lucky, I would hardly have left. request
                      1. WILD
                        WILD 9 June 2013 01: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        If I were lucky, I would hardly have left.

                        Well, you kiss him in the gums!
                      2. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 9 June 2013 01: 11
                        +3
                        Quote: WILD
                        Well, you kiss him in the gums!

                        But for Peter wassat Answer am angry laughing
                      3. WILD
                        WILD 9 June 2013 01: 19
                        +3
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        But for Peter answer

                        Always ready! repeat
                      4. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 9 June 2013 01: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: WILD
                        Always ready!

                        Hammer pioneer wassat
                      5. WILD
                        WILD 9 June 2013 01: 34
                        +1
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Hammer pioneer

                        What did you think ...

                        Here you are not there! fellow
                      6. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 9 June 2013 01: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: WILD
                        Here you are not there!

                        And you are not here negative I'll teach you to clean the turnip from the right end wassat
                      7. WILD
                        WILD 9 June 2013 01: 43
                        -2
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        And you are not here. I will teach you to clean the turnip from the right end.

                        Yeah, first find your end, then look at your photo and only then try to seduce me! laughing
                        Fuck you Ruslan Ivanovich throughout your Caucasus (face) face.
                        I’ve had you all my life, I have and will have, probably just my Ryazan (Tula) face!
                      8. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 9 June 2013 01: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: WILD
                        Fuck you Ruslan Ivanovich throughout your Caucasus (face) face.

                        Go sleep fool And this is serious
  • SPACE
    SPACE 8 June 2013 19: 11
    0
    Quote: Normal
    A typical statement of a person who has never seen Putin's appointees lead, experiencing illusions about their personal and professional qualities, as well as being mistaken about the goals and objectives of the current government.

    And you let us know how Putin's appointees work, judging by your statement, you were very close to them! And judging by your anger erupting in the midst of your words ... have you been pulled from there? laughing
    1. Normal
      Normal 8 June 2013 23: 18
      -1
      Quote: SPACE
      And you will air us


      Patience, "my friend", patience ... An old post on this topic was lying around somewhere. I will find - I will definitely educate.
      Quote: SPACE
      Judging by your statement, you were very close to them!

      Not, no so much. I just had to work under their "wise" guidance.

      Quote: SPACE
      And judging by your anger breaking through among your words ...

      I know who they are and what they are. I understand what they are leading the country to. The fate of my homeland is not indifferent to me; hence the anger.
      Quote: SPACE
      What did you get out of there? laughing

      No, he left. I do not consider it possible to work
      under the leadership of moral y-clans and mediocre insignificance with boundless conceit.
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 9 June 2013 07: 25
        0
        Quote: Normal
        The fate of my homeland is not indifferent to me; hence the anger.

        And you think that you are one such a normal and loving homeland, and only you have comprehended the truth? I thought it was not indifferent to everyone here, but in my memory you are the first to single it out. One must be more modest and show more respect for others, for their opinions. In general, everyone knows that you hate Putin and officials, there is no reason to make your personal misunderstandings, this is the construct of 0 whole 0 of the nineties.
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        No, he left. I do not consider it possible to work under the leadership of moral y-clans and mediocre insignificance with unlimited conceit.

        Well, to whom and what do you want to prove here and what you are calling for, if in one small swamp you could not cope and put things in order, and left ... Oh, yes, we are proud ... "if we do not win, then we leave undefeated, but with his head held high. " laughing
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        moral y-clans and mediocre nobodies with unlimited conceit.

        Oh, how, "do not judge and you will not be judged."
        1. Normal
          Normal 9 June 2013 08: 58
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          And you think that you are one such a normal and loving homeland, and only you have comprehended the truth? I thought it was not indifferent to everyone here, but in my memory you are the first to single it out. One must be more modest and show more respect for others, for their opinions. In general, everyone knows that you hate Putin and officials, there is no reason to make your personal misunderstandings, this is the construct of 0 whole 0 of the nineties.

          Quote: SPACE

          Well, to whom and what do you want to prove here and what you are calling for, if in one small swamp you could not cope and put things in order, and left ... Oh, yes, we are proud ... "if we do not win, then we leave undefeated, but with his head held high. "

          so what YOU want to say it? Everything that is written in your post can be attributed to you. This is "one must be more modest" and "in one little swamp" and about the Motherland and about the truth.
          About personal misunderstandings is also great. Do you propose to be guided not by personal conviction based on personal experience, but by the opinions of others and information received from the media?
          In what Your respect for the opinions of others? The fact that in your opinion I overemphasize my indifference? Where is your construct? This?:
          "judge not, and you will not be judged."
          Your right, when you hit the right, substitute the left. What is the point of your statement
          you could not cope and put things in order, and left ... Oh yes, we are proud, ... "if we do not win, then we leave undefeated, but with our heads held high."
          ? Just a desire to hurt and bite?
          While I was working, I coped in my place and put things in order according to the instructions, my duties and in harmony with my conscience. And when Putin’s appointees came and began to cynically and consistently destroy everything that was created and saved not by them, then I left. In your opinion, should I have stayed and participated in theft and collapse (many did so) or accomplished a feat and expelled a thief from power?
          1. SPACE
            SPACE 9 June 2013 10: 40
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            Well, what do you mean by that?

            Sorry, if you do not understand, read again.
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            Everything that is written in your post can be attributed to you. This is "one must be more modest" and "in one little swamp" and about the Motherland and about the truth.

            Of course, it is possible to do everything to everyone, but in this case more to you.
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            What is your respect for the opinions of others?

            That's just the point, that to opinion, and at you:
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            under the leadership of moral y-clans and mediocre insignificance with boundless conceit.

            Read the tale of Saltykov Shchedrin about "how a fool" came to smart / went online "to complain about fools".
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            Where is your construct? This is it ?: "Do not judge and you will not be judged."

            With what you are to people, so people are to you. it is the law of life.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 9 June 2013 13: 57
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              With what you are to people, so people are to you. it is the law of life.

              There is a severe clinical case implicated in the metropolitan kooky and monstrous narcissism.
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    3. satellite
      satellite 9 June 2013 00: 31
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      Have you seen how AAAA works on the ground? A friend of mine, I have a local spill, says that not a single thing goes without pulling money, and I myself work in construction, and there’s a sabbat. So think before you get into a fuss here saw nothing but there as a teenager
  • satellite
    satellite 9 June 2013 00: 31
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    Unlike you, I lead a team of 20 people, and your vip in the form of a comment is even disgusting to read. At GDP, billions are taken away from under the nose and it pretends to be "as if it should be" (tobish lets thieves escape abroad) and you are on TV Taldychat oh what a formidable king, it's funny and sad to me to watch this clownery
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  • Field
    Field 8 June 2013 12: 46
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    Somehow to call our ,, liberals, “the elite doesn’t turn the tongue. Thieves, embezzlers, state criminals, please, but the elite doesn’t!


    Quasi-elite will be more accurate, and not only "liberals".

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    VVP until the very end believed the "sovereign people", many of whom ended up in their places by the will of a crafty chance. The question of the systemic crisis has come to its logical end, since not only do government officials do not work according to their profile, without having sufficient knowledge and experience (when asked who invited them there, Surkov's resignation answered), they have long been sabotaging the president's instructions. Dumont, as prime minister, once again screwed up. Therefore, there will be resignations, dismissals, reshuffles in the government and ministries. Administrative (immediately) and criminal (later) liability will be toughened. The GDP has time and will. It will succeed.


    Again about the "good tsar" and "bad boyars". Let's be realistic, part of the political and economic elite also stands behind the GDP.
    The only ruler in the recent past who did not particularly reckon with the elite (party nomenclature) was Stalin.
  • vvp901
    vvp901 8 June 2013 15: 30
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    Putin is tackling both the second and third options. The ONF congress will show where the roll is stronger. The liberal doctrine is cracking at the seams and it pleases. International events will also affect the strengthening of the anti-liberal project. The elections in the regions for which preparations are underway are also going to give an incentive to quickly revise economic policies .In my opinion, the unification of patriots and communists (not to be confused with the current Communist Party) into a movement that supports sovereignty will accelerate and stabilize the process of overcoming crises. I think the president has enough political will!
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 8 June 2013 22: 57
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    That the elite was not immediately clear, it (the elite) still connects its future with an independent and developing country. So the article could
    call "Putin and the absence of an elite." We have to get out in life with what we have, including us. smile
  • mark7
    mark7 9 June 2013 15: 14
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    the fact of the matter is that Stalin regularly updated, rejuvenated the apparatus and GDP surrounded himself ... if something happens and there is no one to choose