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Ukraine is ready to develop an engine for a light strike aircraft based on the Yak-130

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According to the Interfax-AVN news agency, referring to Igor Kravchenko, general designer of Ivchenko-Progress, the company is ready to upgrade the AI-222-25 engine in a year and a half to use it on a promising light strike aircraft, which can be built on Yak-xnumx.


Turbojet engine AI-222-25 (s) SE "Ivchenko-Progress""We can really make three tons of engine on the basis of this motor. We have such an operating time. There is even a scheme, we know what to do. We need to put another fan stage. I think that if such a task is set, the engine can to fly in a year and a half, "said I. Kravchenko at the 36 meeting of the Interstate Coordinating Council for Cooperation in the Field of Aeronautical Engineering, which was held in Zaporozhye.

According to him, to increase the engine thrust will not require a deep modernization - you can get by with little effort. However, I. Kravchenko added that the creation of a new, more powerful modification of the AI-222-25 will require funding.

Earlier, Advisor to the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Ex-Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force, Colonel-General Alexander Zelin reported that the Russian Defense Ministry is working on the creation of a promising lightweight strike aircraft with more powerful engines based on the Yak-130 training and combat aircraft.

“The issue of creating a light attack aircraft based on the Yak-130 is being worked out in great detail,” said A. Zelin.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 7 June 2013 07: 44
    -6
    I’m ready to develop an engine, but for God's sake let it develop, I think with the activity of Boguslaev he will not lie down, not for us, so he will sell to the Chinese ...
  2. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 7 June 2013 08: 02
    -5
    I’m ready, I’m ready to ... trust them to do something, they will receive money in advance and throw it. better yourself somehow
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus 7 June 2013 10: 12
      10
      And you try with "Turbomeka". Well, what if the French are "blue" all over their heads.
      Boats are being built for you, but fill them with loot, they will make the engine.
      And nothing. That France-NATO, the main cooperation.
      And it costs Ukraine to cooperate with someone from the Western countries, yelling at the top of your throat, as if your stomach hurts.
      1. alexkross83
        alexkross83 7 June 2013 11: 47
        +5
        This is a military-economic cooperation, I think at the same time the right political decision. Transition to military cooperation at a new level. The article is a huge plus, good news!
      2. Siberian German
        Siberian German 7 June 2013 16: 26
        -2
        I agree completely - stop dividing into s and her - especially since we, too, can get an advance and look for fistulas
      3. anton107798
        anton107798 7 June 2013 18: 41
        +2
        Quote: Conepatus
        So what if the French are "blue" all over their heads.

        Quote: Conepatus
        And nothing. France-NATO



        In-in, and you were anxious to add that the engines are bought just from Ukraine, and not what, not who complained, not Mil KB or Kamov, and Tupolev’s are silent. No one throws, but there are small long-nosed cockroaches that seem to be thrown all their life ... That’s splashing with acid
      4. svp67
        svp67 7 June 2013 22: 17
        0
        Quote: Conepatus
        And you and "Turbomeka" try
        yeah, that is, you think that Motor Sich is not worth developing this motor?
        1. Conepatus
          Conepatus 7 June 2013 23: 00
          0
          I believe that we did not ask for partners. And if your management decided to attract Motor Sich, then you shouldn't drive it to the company and the country.
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  3. valokordin
    valokordin 7 June 2013 08: 12
    +6
    We will be happy to help ourselves and our country of Ukraine.
  4. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 7 June 2013 08: 17
    +9
    It is high time to cooper the efforts of Ukraine and Russia in this field. From this, as they say, good "children" are born.
  5. keeper
    keeper 7 June 2013 08: 24
    +3
    High risks with political instability in Ukraine. It would be there, Old Man, it would be more reliable.
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 7 June 2013 08: 47
      +1
      Guys! They're not asking for a billion! We have some peripheral zanyuhanny road official stealing 150 "lemons" in cash, and then the defense industry! Why not believe it! If they sell it to the Chinese, then they will do business only with them. And it's not a fact that China will sign a second contract with such a partner.
      1. Conepatus
        Conepatus 7 June 2013 12: 08
        +2
        If Russia finances the development of the engine, it will automatically become a co-author. Respectively, to sell the engine to China will not work without Russia's consent.
        So there is nothing to fear.
        1. Akim
          Akim 7 June 2013 12: 13
          +2
          Quote: Conepatus
          Russia finances engine development, it automatically becomes a co-author

          It's not obligatory. A similar clause is indicated in the contract.
  6. Akim
    Akim 7 June 2013 08: 29
    +4
    that to create a new, more powerful modification of AI-222-25, funding will be required.

    Then AI-222-30. Because the last digits mean traction (AI-222-25, AI-222-28).
    1. LINX
      LINX 8 June 2013 02: 01
      0
      In the message ... "We can actually make an engine with a thrust of three tons based on this motor." .. - as I understand it, a typo, not 3 but 30?
      1. Akim
        Akim 8 June 2013 07: 19
        0
        Quote: LINX
        as I understand it a typo, not 3 but 30?

        No. It would then be some kind of superdivagator. The American engine for the F-22 produces 19 tons in afterburner. Tons are called for simplification. In general, thrust is considered kgf. Those. = 3000. It's a bit, but the plane is light.
  7. wlad59
    wlad59 7 June 2013 08: 40
    0
    Information about nothing. "Russia is WORKING OUT the question of creating a light attack aircraft on the basis of the Yak-130 ... Ukraine is READY to develop an engine for a light attack aircraft based on the Yak-130" - it is clear that if Russia starts building an attack aircraft based on the Yak-130, then the engines for him will be based on AI-222-25. ((and what else?
  8. Wedmak
    Wedmak 7 June 2013 09: 00
    +4
    If it weren’t for the political orientation of the Ukrainian leadership, we would have cooperated so long ago, opened a joint venture and sold these light attack aircraft to hundreds.
    1. yanus
      yanus 7 June 2013 10: 35
      +2
      Quote: Wedmak
      If it weren’t for the political orientation of the Ukrainian leadership, we would have cooperated so long ago, opened a joint venture and sold these light attack aircraft to hundreds.

      You seem to live RB. Polyeconomics produces something there, and then it rots in warehouses. Producing and selling are two different things.
      Light attack aircraft by themselves are of no use to anyone. The reason why they want to make an attack aircraft from the Yak-130 is so that the training aircraft does not stand idle. Again, the pilots in the "training" will have the opportunity to practice using real weapons at the range.
  9. cartridge
    cartridge 7 June 2013 09: 15
    -4
    No funding for Ukrainian businessmen! They will make the product that meets the customer's requirements - we will buy it! They cannot do it - they are free! Then let the beets plant! No prepayment, advances and credit for these "brothers" will steal and throw as always! Russian money must be invested in Russian factories!
    1. wlad59
      wlad59 7 June 2013 09: 27
      +2
      Well, about "stolen and thrown", Ukrainian "brothers" oh, how far away from Russians! ((still learn and learn.
    2. Conepatus
      Conepatus 7 June 2013 10: 04
      +1
      Can you give me more details?
      When Ukraine threw Russia on military orders?
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 7 June 2013 12: 59
        -1
        Quote: Conepatus
        When Ukraine threw Russia on military orders?

        Not that I threw it away, but ... for what reason is Project 941 "Shark" out of work now? Is it because the missiles of the Ukrainian plant?
        1. Conepatus
          Conepatus 7 June 2013 13: 21
          0
          Opa. Is this something new. Now is Ukraine to blame for 941 being cut?
          Did someone stop you from buying rockets from us?
          Or maybe they just need to be repaired in time?
          And when the "Voevoda" is removed, will we also be guilty? You can't build the "Voevoda" yourself, but can you buy it from us, does pride interfere?
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 7 June 2013 16: 15
            +2
            Quote: Conepatus
            Opa. Is this something new. Now is Ukraine to blame for 941 being cut?
            Did someone stop you from buying rockets from us?

            Can you read? Or just yell and are accustomed to throw claims? Neither the Russian Federation nor Ukraine built the 941 project and missiles for it. They were built and equipped in the USSR. But after the collapse, and especially when figures such as Serdyukov and Tymoshenko appeared on the negotiating table (on both sides of the table, which is typical), it became difficult to talk about fruitful cooperation. That's about this post. DISCONTINUITY is to blame. And a mountain of mutual claims. So, without resolving THIS problem, it is difficult to say about fruitful cooperation. Military equipment of such a level is not a mobile phone; it will not work to replace it with an analogue from another manufacturer, having run into the nearest store on the way. It is necessary to agree, with WARRANTIES not depending on the next clown ugly face in the contractor's chair.
            Well, about mooing cows - this is on the agriculture website, this is according to their profile. And then arguments like:
            Quote: dominatus
            pot calls the kettle black.
            And you want to be believed after what happened and first started modernization, and payment after ???
            It is very difficult to guess that the modernization of ancient production is required in ANY case, especially if there is a desire to produce equipment of a MODERN level. There will be high-quality, high-performance engines - there will be a buyer for them anyway. It is because of their performance characteristics, and not the political conjuncture. Will not be - finished products will go to a warehouse of illiquid assets
            1. Conepatus
              Conepatus 7 June 2013 17: 27
              -1
              [
              Can you read?

              You said that 941 was cut because Ukraine made missiles.
              I’ll ask you again (you know how to slip, about Foma, and about Yerema) who prevented you from buying rockets in Ukraine? Could they even take missiles to pay off the debt?
              It’s not necessary to throw it over with a sore head.
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 7 June 2013 18: 08
                +1
                Quote: Conepatus
                You said that 941 was cut because Ukraine made missiles.

                Well, definitely reading problems ... lol I did not write that they are being cut. He wrote "out of work", but this is something else, there is no talk about cutting. Ukraine did NOT make such missiles. They were made on the territory of Ukraine in the workshops of Yuzhmash during the Soviet era. And if then there was an opportunity to buy more, then, probably, it would be done. Not in the know about specifically missiles, but SF had a VERY great desire to buy SKPU, DBKPT, PDM-1, spare parts for MRK-50 and BIUS "Omnibus" (etc., the list is very long) from the "Fiolent" plant, but ... this plant could only offer jigsaws. And the production and maintenance of the nomenclature for the fleet was ditched and plundered at the very beginning of the 90s. Since this happened even BEFORE the nomenclature of hand-held power tools was mastered, I doubt that this was an accident. Most likely, the same picture is for missiles for the 941 project. As with the Voevods, otherwise, instead of the issue of extending the resource, they could well agree on the release of new products to replace the aged
        2. dominatus
          dominatus 7 June 2013 15: 48
          +3
          Regarding "kidalov" - whose cow would bellow.
          And you want to be believed after what happened and first started modernization, and payment after ???
          Fragment of an interview with Boguslaev (general director of Motor Sich.
          “- We were given a technical assignment for engines for the Ka-226. We designed the engine, I spent my 18 million dollars. I don’t know exactly how much more Ivchenko-Progress has invested in this. Then suddenly our partners in Russia fell silent. , the Ka-226 already has Arrius engines of the French company Turbomeca. And who should we contact? Either the holding is responsible for this, or some department. And the head who was engaged in aviation yesterday is in the oil industry today Our engine, of course, will not disappear, Western aircraft manufacturers are showing interest in it. But I get an allergy when sociologists or linguists assess my engines. What right do they have to this? Russian industry leaders say from someone that our engines are inferior to Western products. How tired of this unnecessary confrontation. "

          After such a "kid" would you believe a second time?
    3. Alexander D.
      Alexander D. 7 June 2013 21: 24
      0
      Quote: cartridge
      No funding for Ukrainian businessmen! They will make the product that meets the customer's requirements - we will buy it! They cannot do it - they are free! Then let the beets plant! No prepayment, advances and credit for these "brothers" will steal and throw as always! Russian money must be invested in Russian factories!

      That yes, poor Russians - the damned threw you with the production of the An-70, for no reason they took and left the project. Ah-ah-ah, what bad Ukrainians are.
  10. Avenger711
    Avenger711 7 June 2013 09: 20
    -2
    A pig can eat 12 kg of black caviar at a time, only who will give it to her.
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 7 June 2013 10: 16
      0
      Quote: Avenger711
      A pig can eat 12 kg of black caviar at a time, only who will give it to her.


      But if red caviar then how much can eat?
    2. escobar
      escobar 7 June 2013 11: 44
      0
      The pig wants to fly, only there are no wings.
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 7 June 2013 13: 06
        0
        Help the pig, build a samba on 100500 levels.
  11. Vtel
    Vtel 7 June 2013 09: 25
    +1
    There is even a scheme, we know what to do. It is necessary to put another stage of the fan.

    And our tadpoles cannot push the entom fan. Of course, I am for friendship with Ukraine, but Schaub did not work out as with the GTS or Crimea. If Ukraine is with us, then together we are strength.
    1. Akim
      Akim 7 June 2013 09: 33
      +5
      Quote: Vtel
      And our tadpoles cannot push the entom fan.

      Question. Where will they put it in? AI-222 - Ukrainian engine. Then, it is necessary to develop its analogue.
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 7 June 2013 09: 39
        0
        Good morning, the Yak-130 has been making it for a long time already on Salyut.
        1. Akim
          Akim 7 June 2013 09: 51
          +3
          Quote: Avenger711
          it has been made on the Yak-130 for a long time already on the Salyut.

          Greetings. Once again, back to the automotive topic. If Logan is released in Moscow, is this a Russian car, like Grant?
          1. Avenger711
            Avenger711 7 June 2013 13: 10
            +1
            And you do not accidentally Fedya with bmpd? Yesterday, he stubbornly argued there that the An-148s built at Russian plants are a product of the mighty Ukrainian aviation industry, which has already built 10 aircraft in 49 years.

            If Logan is produced in Moscow, then this is at least a joint production and a product of the Russian automobile industry. As a maximum, Renault may have nothing to do with these cars at all, because it once received money for a license.
            1. wlad59
              wlad59 7 June 2013 13: 58
              0
              Regarding the An-148 being assembled in Voronezh, it is well said here: http://superjet.wikidot.com/wiki:iz-cego-sdelan-an-148#toc10
              1. Avenger711
                Avenger711 7 June 2013 15: 01
                0
                Well, he didn’t have to take it at all in theory. He would drown along with the entire independent aviation industry. Perhaps due to him VASO pulled out.
                1. mga04
                  mga04 7 June 2013 15: 35
                  +2
                  In AN-148 (158) the share of Russian component manufacturers is more than 60%, in SSJ-100 - about 30%. In addition, Russian enterprises (Salute) are involved in the production of D436-148 engines. The backfill question - which plane is more profitable for Russia?
                  1. Avenger711
                    Avenger711 7 June 2013 17: 39
                    -1
                    At leisure, read the link to the message you are trying to answer, it often saves you from embarrassment.
                    1. mga04
                      mga04 7 June 2013 18: 15
                      +1
                      No embarrassment. That post refers to, to put it mildly, an interested resource, and to put it bluntly - an advertising and information resource of the SSJ-100 project. Try looking for information in neutral resources. I deliberately do not provide references that there were no charges, that I slipped the same, biased source. Do not find contact, I will help.
                  2. gradient
                    gradient 8 June 2013 07: 50
                    0
                    profitable one that
                    -buy
                    -type certificate for which is located in Russia

                    the second question is understandable, but the fact that due to the lack of commercial orders for the An-148, the state must support the pants of the Voronezh plant, ordering the military kits they don’t need the An-148 hints. And the production of machine kits for the SSJ-100 by Voronezh also hints that they will not live in the production of a donkey
        2. mga04
          mga04 7 June 2013 15: 19
          +1
          There is no full cycle on "Salute". There is a purely assembly production, the engine is assembled from, for the most part, Ukrainian components. In addition, the developer of AI-222 and its modifications is not Motor Sich, but Ivchenko-Progress. Therefore, the alphabetic index is AI, not MC.
          1. evil hamster
            evil hamster 7 June 2013 17: 49
            -1
            Dear, you don't need fables, on Salyut a full production cycle, for example, Al31F and modifications, as well as D30, from this they basically live, can you provide a list of "mainly Ukrainian components" for AL31F? I'm looking forward to it.
            1. evil hamster
              evil hamster 7 June 2013 18: 03
              0
              I drove D30 Saturn does
            2. mga04
              mga04 7 June 2013 18: 04
              0
              I'm talking about the AI-222-25 engine. How the AL-31F engine is made is of little interest to me, although if you are right, I am glad for the "Salute".
              1. evil hamster
                evil hamster 7 June 2013 19: 26
                0
                Okay, I have not figured it out, I'm sorry. However, at 222-25 do you have an objective picture of cooperation? Because the fan is still made on the Salute and, as I understand it, for the Sichev motors. and considering that, for example, the hot part of D436 is also done there at Salute, I simply do not see any reason to believe that AI222-25 is "simply assembled from Ukrainian parts", without any documentary evidence whatsoever.
                1. mga04
                  mga04 7 June 2013 19: 41
                  +1
                  Motor Sich manufactures a high-pressure compressor, a combustion chamber, a high-pressure turbine, an air starter, an air separator, a start valve and an air bypass valve, incoming parts for piping piping, and fasteners for assembling the engine.
                  There are also other Ukrainian-made components, for example, a fuel pump - Kharkov FED. Something that is done by the developer himself - KB "Ivchenko-Progress".
                  And by the way, not all the hot part of D436 is made on Salute.
                  1. evil hamster
                    evil hamster 7 June 2013 19: 59
                    +2
                    Simply put, the cold part is behind Salut, the gas generator outside Zaporozhye, I will know thanks. It looks like Saturn with Snecma according to CAM146. I agree then you have every reason to think so, although I certainly would not call it "just an assembly"
  12. Sochi
    Sochi 7 June 2013 09: 26
    -4
    And who asked Ukraine about this? On a yak, like a Russian engine ...
    1. wlad59
      wlad59 7 June 2013 09: 30
      +6
      Since when did the Russian engine become on the Yak-130 ??? ((Zaporozhye, this is a Ukrainian city ...
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 7 June 2013 09: 40
        -2
        And from those with which he began to be released on "Salute". Our army seems to be doing just fine without Ukraine.
        1. wlad59
          wlad59 7 June 2013 09: 53
          +4
          It is assembled at Salyut (Moscow), and developed at the Ivchenko-Progress design bureau (Zaporozhye). The article deals with the development of a NEW engine for an attack aircraft, based on the Yak-130 .... therefore, the engine will be DEVELOPED not at Salyut, but in Zaporozhye. ((I do not exclude that having developed a new engine, its production will be given to Salut.
          1. evil hamster
            evil hamster 7 June 2013 10: 17
            -5
            Quote: wlad59
            therefore, the DEVELOPED engine will not be on the Salute

            Wow already signed a contract? Or is it that you think?
            1. wlad59
              wlad59 7 June 2013 10: 21
              +2
              The contract has not been signed for the simple reason that the decision to manufacture an attack aircraft based on the Yak-130 has not yet been made. ((read the article carefully first, and then comment.
              1. evil hamster
                evil hamster 7 June 2013 10: 30
                -3
                Yeah, that is, the fact that the engine will not be developed on the Salute is purely your imagination, which, in fact, was required to be proved.
                1. wlad59
                  wlad59 7 June 2013 10: 42
                  +2
                  Consider it proved ... oh yes well done !!! ((only here on the Salute there are NO test benches.
                  1. evil hamster
                    evil hamster 7 June 2013 10: 54
                    -2
                    From and well, put everything in its place, everyone is happy, everyone laughs
              2. Avenger711
                Avenger711 7 June 2013 15: 17
                -3
                It will not be accepted. Just again, the agents of Ukraine muddied the water.
      2. Sochi
        Sochi 7 June 2013 09: 53
        +1
        Aircraft Yak-130 installed turbojet engines AI-222-25 take-off thrust of 2500 kgf each of the Omsk motor-building production association named after P. Baranova - Omsk is not a Ukrainian city like Nirazu ...
    2. Akim
      Akim 7 June 2013 09: 35
      +2
      Quote: Sochi
      On a yak, like a Russian engine ...

      Do you consider Solaris a Russian development?
      1. Sochi
        Sochi 7 June 2013 09: 57
        0
        The development is Ukrainian, but produced in Omsk.
        1. wlad59
          wlad59 7 June 2013 10: 03
          +2
          AI-222-25 engines for the Yak-130 will deliver "Salute"
          Read more: http://www.arms-expo.ru/049051124050054057055052.html
          1. Sochi
            Sochi 7 June 2013 10: 08
            0
            Thank you, I was not in the know ...
        2. Akim
          Akim 7 June 2013 10: 06
          +1
          Quote: Sochi
          The development is Ukrainian, but produced in Omsk.

          So what? Or do you think Russia uses China as a counterfact? Apparently the issue has been resolved in the normal economic plane. The Americans also produce a lot of foreign developments only at home.
          1. Sochi
            Sochi 7 June 2013 10: 19
            0
            As far as I know, it does not use. Only now in Russia the question is being raised about the localization of military production on its territory, and it seems like there is already a law on this topic (too lazy to delve into the internet), because it seems that Ukraine will soon be out of work.
            1. Akim
              Akim 7 June 2013 10: 28
              +1
              Quote: Sochi
              that soon Ukraine will remain out of work.

              Italy, for example, is getting good dividends from the Beret and 57mm naval guns. Norway from air-to-ground anti-ship missiles, Belgium from machine guns, and so on in many examples.
              1. Conepatus
                Conepatus 7 June 2013 10: 33
                +1
                57mm like Swedish Bofors. In Italy, 76mm GTR Melara.
                Or am I missing something somewhere?
                1. Akim
                  Akim 7 June 2013 10: 44
                  +2
                  Italy also has 57 mm. Although it is fundamentally not important who the Americans pay. The faceless face of war has no morality. The Americans released their Springfield "- they shot at the Germans (in the First World War) and at the same time paid them for a license for the mechanic Mauser 98, which was at its basis.
              2. Sochi
                Sochi 7 June 2013 10: 43
                0
                So Russia also sells equipment and some technologies and has a good idea ... normal practice. Only here, everything should be done for its army on its territory by its enterprises, which does not exclude the purchase of foreign technologies, developments, followed by the localization of production in Russia. Therefore, Ukraine will soon be out of work (unless it joins the CU, which is doubtful).
                1. Conepatus
                  Conepatus 7 June 2013 10: 47
                  0
                  Russia is not the only country on the planet. We can also cooperate with China. After all, you are cooperating, and here we are.
                  1. Sochi
                    Sochi 7 June 2013 11: 00
                    +1
                    Not a question - you can. Only until you have all the secrets stolen by the yellow-faced ... they have it all with everyone. They have already fooled us, too.
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                  3. Avenger711
                    Avenger711 7 June 2013 15: 18
                    0
                    Who do you need besides us and China? But China may soon send, but in Europe you didn’t fall for anyone.
                    1. dominatus
                      dominatus 7 June 2013 17: 48
                      +1
                      And who needs you in Europe.
                      Do not be unfounded - present the list of arms supplies to Europe.
                      In the meantime, I’ll give you such quick examples:

                      In Croatia, Ukraine won a tender for the repair of helicopters.

                      Macedonia is considering the purchase of up to 200 BTR-4s with a German Deutz engine. It is assumed that the BTR-4 will be produced in Ukraine, assembled in Macedonia.

                      "On May 3, 2012, state-owned companies of the two countries, Ukroboronprom and Kazakhstan Engineering, signed an agreement on the joint production of the BTR-4 for the Kazakh armed forces. In total, it is planned to produce 100 vehicles: 10 this year, 90 next. The production of armored vehicles is planned to be organized on the basis of one of the enterprises of the national company "Kazakhstan Engineering", starting with SKD assembly. "

                      "Deputy Defense Minister of Ukraine Arturo Babenko said that our country and Poland intend to intensify military-technical cooperation. We can talk about the modernization of combat aircraft, helicopters and tanks.
                      This was stated by representatives of the countries' defense departments at the Ukrainian-Polish forum in Warsaw. "
                      "
                      Poland, in particular, is interested in the modernization of equipment in Ukraine (helicopters Mi-8, Mi-24, aircraft MiG-29), joint production of military equipment to enter the markets of third countries, the creation of new navigation systems and radars. "


                      And of course, Asia:
                      Ukraine won 2 tenders in Thailand
                      1. for the supply of 150 MBT "Oplot - M"
                      2. For the supply of a large batch of KrAZ army trucks
                      3.Ukraine delivered to Thailand 96 BTR 3-E1 in the amount of 118 million dollars.
                      By the way, Russia participated in both tenders, but "flew"
                      Now Ukraine is participating in the Thai tender for the construction of 2 frigates.

                      Ukraine has delivered to Cambodia up to 100 BTR 3-E1 (more exact figure is not known)


                      Brazil: The Cyclone-4-Alcantara project is being implemented - the joint operation of the Brazilian Alcantara cosmodrome.
                      A test launch of the Ukrainian Cyclone-4 launch vehicle from the Alcantara cosmodrome (Brazil) is scheduled for late 2013. Trials of the new space-rocket complex begin to begin this fall.

                      1. evil hamster
                        evil hamster 7 June 2013 19: 49
                        0
                        Quote: dominatus
                        In Croatia, Ukraine won a tender for the repair of helicopters.
                        6 items? Powerful, Brutal, Epic
                        Quote: dominatus
                        Macedonia regards the possibility of purchasing up to 200 BTR-4
                        beyond the highlighted word you can not read.
                        Quote: dominatus
                        "On May 3, 2012, state-owned companies of the two countries, Ukroboronprom and Kazakhstan Engineering, signed an agreement on the joint production of the BTR-4 for the Kazakh armed forces.

                        Russia, if I don’t confuse anything, sold 100 BTR 82A to Kazakhstan, just a statement of fact.
                        Quote: dominatus
                        Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine Arturo Babenko saidthat our country and Poland intend to step up military-technical cooperation. It may be about the modernization of combat aircraft, helicopters and tanks
                        Keywords are highlighted.
                        Quote: dominatus
                        Ukraine won 2 tenders in Thailand
                        1. for the supply of 150 MBT "Oplot - M"
                        2. For the supply of a large batch of KrAZ army trucks
                        3.Ukraine delivered to Thailand 96 BTR 3-E1 in the amount of 118 million dollars.
                        By the way, Russia participated in both tenders, but "flew"
                        Now Ukraine is participating in the Thai tender for the construction of 2 frigates.
                        Only not 150, but 50. And Russia did not participate there. By the way, they promised to transfer the first batch in May 2013, how is it? A large batch of Krazov is how many in pieces? here in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation the inflow of Kamazes and Urals every year amounts to thousands, purely for example. and yet, yes, Russia did not participate in this tender either. By the way, the frigates of which project Ukraine offers are very curious.
                        Quote: dominatus
                        Brazil: The Cyclone-4-Alcantara project is being implemented - the joint operation of the Brazilian Alcantara cosmodrome.
                        It has long been implemented, we are waiting.
                        Interesting dominus, do you seriously believe that if you throw a lot of copy-paste, which in itself does not mean anything, then it will charge your eyes and the effect will be achieved?
                      2. dominatus
                        dominatus 7 June 2013 21: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        Only not 150, but 50. And Russia did not participate there.

                        1. Russia participated there - this is a fact
                        2. The contract for 50 cars with the subsequent extension (after delivery of the first 50) to 150 cars.
                        Learn mat.part.
                      3. evil hamster
                        evil hamster 8 June 2013 01: 09
                        0
                        Quote: dominatus
                        Russia participated there - it's a fact

                        Evidence in the studio. Here in Peru, Russia participates and brought there a tank.
                        Quote: dominatus
                        The contract for 50 cars with the subsequent extension (after delivery of the first 50) to 150 cars.
                        Learn mat.part.
                        Well, what am I wrong in? The contract is for 50 cars, everything else is an option, maybe or maybe not.
                      4. dominatus
                        dominatus 8 June 2013 12: 01
                        0
                        And you type the tags "tanks" "tender" "Thailand" - there are a lot of press reports. Only in the press they sometimes admit inaccuracy confusing - 84 "Oplot" and BM "Oplot-M"

                        http://pro-tank.ru/blog/742-tanki-t90-t84-tender-thailand

                        http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/army/1006-thaioplot.html#.UbLkffnksn
                        I

                        http://weaponscollection.com/17/769-opk-ukrainy-protiv-opk-rossii-chi-tanki-luch
                        she.html

                        are there enough links or another toss?
                  4. dominatus
                    dominatus 7 June 2013 22: 36
                    0
                    1. And nevertheless, the order was received by Ukraine and not KB Mill.
                    2. on tanks - I already wrote to you.
                    3. The question is not how many Urals enter the RF Armed Forces.
                    There was a question "who needs you" - I answered with facts to whom exactly.
                    4. Here are the requirements of Thais:
                    http://tbu.com.ua/news/tailand_potratit_1_mlrd__na_pokupku_fregatov_.html
                    The USA, Germany, Ukraine participate in the tender.
                    I don’t know what exactly Ukraine proposed (I’m not allowed to state secrets).
                    I assume that Ukraine could propose Project 11351 Nerey, naturally with modern fillings and imported (Italian or French) weapons.
                  5. evil hamster
                    evil hamster 8 June 2013 01: 18
                    0
                    Quote: dominatus
                    1. And nevertheless, the order was received by Ukraine and not KB Mill.
                    I’ll tell you a terrible secret: KB Mil does not repair helicopters at all, ARZ is engaged in this, and KB is engaged in designing.
                    Quote: dominatus
                    3. The question is not how many Urals enter the RF Armed Forces.
                    There was a question "who needs you" - I answered with facts to whom exactly.

                    So how many Krazov is that? voice the number.
                    Quote: dominatus
                    Here are the requirements of the Thais:
                    http://tbu.com.ua/news/tailand_potratit_1_mlrd__na_pokupku_fregatov_.html
                    The USA, Germany, Ukraine participate in the tender.
                    I don’t know what exactly Ukraine proposed (I’m not allowed to state secrets).
                    I read the link about Ukraine it does not say. 11351 - a border guard with very trimmed (and also old) weapons. Well, of course you can offer it, since they don’t take money for it.
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                  7. dominatus
                    dominatus 8 June 2013 12: 12
                    -1
                    http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/army/1006-thaioplot.html#.UbLkffnksn
                    I

                    400 pieces
            2. Avenger711
              Avenger711 7 June 2013 20: 27
              +2
              I completely agree with you on one thing. What we, what you, are the same Russian barbarians for Europe, and the sooner the occupation of Lesser Russia is finished, the better. In Europe, even toilets are not waiting for us to wash. Neither us nor you.

              I am happy for you in Thailand, after all, the star in the face of the T-90 did not participate there at all. For all the time, Ukraine sold tanks in significant quantities only to Thailand and Pakistan. For all the time she sold about 350 BTR-3. The rest is a sale of Soviet stocks.

              Ukraine does not produce anything for itself. But the strangest thing is that he thinks that Russia will buy all this from her. How, like gas, so the hand of Moscow, and like Ana, or engines, have forgotten that they themselves have been living in a separate state since 91. Russia so-and-so does not want to purchase any engines for Anov in noticeable quantities. For 20+ years of "independence", it’s probably time to learn how to behave like an independent state, or to admit that the idea failed and to hand over the separatists to trial.
            3. dominatus
              dominatus 8 June 2013 14: 15
              -1
              There are many reports in the press about the participation of the T-90 in the Thai tender.
              You just type the tags "T-90" "tender" "thailand" - see for yourself.
              Only the press sometimes admits inaccuracy confusing the T - 84 "Oplot" and BM "Oplot - M"

              http://pro-tank.ru/blog/742-tanki-t90-t84-tender-thailand

              http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/army/1006-thaioplot.html#.UbLkffnksn

              I

              http://weaponscollection.com/17/769-opk-ukrainy-protiv-opk-rossii-chi-tanki-luch

              she.html
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  • dominatus
    dominatus 7 June 2013 16: 18
    +1
    At least - while China exists. Ukraine will not remain a lot:
    Ukraine has signed a contract with China to supply 250 AI-222-25 engines for L-15 fighters.
    The L-15 fighter is the same Yak - 130 (China bought a license for its own production from Russia).

    In 2005, Ukraine sold 363 air-to-medium-range missiles to China (it seems the production of the Kiev Artem plant), and in 2007 - 590 of these missiles.

    Ukraine has sold a batch to China (the exact number is not known, but certainly not less than five) of the Kolchuga radar.

    MDK "Zubr", which could have been produced in Russia - the Chinese preferred to buy in Ukraine. The first one has already been manufactured, delivered to China and has begun to serve. The remaining 3 are on the way.

    Last year, China purchased from Ukraine 50 tank engine - transmission compartments with a 6TD2 engine

    By order of China, Ukraine is completing the development of a military transport aircraft for the Chinese Air Force. Its name is Y8F-600

    All this I mean that in Russia the light did not converge.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 7 June 2013 16: 25
      +1
      Quote: dominatus
      MDK "Zubr", which could have been produced in Russia - the Chinese preferred to buy in Ukraine. The first one has already been manufactured, delivered to China and has begun to serve. The remaining 3 are on the way.

      On what "approach", the keyboard whistler? Not even close to that "approach" yet. One was collected and sent, on this while everything died out. And the first, there is such an impression, instead of serving on duty, they will now be dismantled into component parts. Can you guess for what purpose? Or do you need a hint?
      1. Kars
        Kars 7 June 2013 16: 29
        +4
        Quote: Misantrop
        Dean collected and sent, on this until everything stalled

        Have you seen the second before in the photo?
        Quote: Misantrop
        meadows will now be disassembled into its component parts. Guess yourself, for what purpose? Or do you need a hint?

        Tell me why. If the documentation is included as well as the construction of two at the facilities of the Chinese customer)))
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 7 June 2013 16: 52
          +2
          Quote: Kars
          Have you seen the second before in the photo?

          It is enough for me to call those who are actually engaged in installation, with their own hands. There is usually not too much in common between a beautiful photo and a real product ...
          Quote: Kars
          Tell me why. If the documentation is included as well as the construction of two at the facilities of the Chinese customer)))

          Have you ever had to hold REAL assembly drawings of a serious product in your hands? And wiring diagrams, drawings of units and mechanisms? I doubt, otherwise such a question would not have arisen wink
          1. dominatus
            dominatus 7 June 2013 18: 03
            -1
            If you could call those who collect them, then you would know that the Chinese have bought a license to produce "Bison". And they would not say that they will disassemble one ship by screws.
            They ALREADY have everything that is necessary for production, technical documentation.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 7 June 2013 18: 23
              -1
              Quote: dominatus
              They ALREADY have everything that is necessary for production, technical documentation.
              Have you ever been on different ships of the same project? With your own feet, and not on a virtual tour? It’s possible to get crippled and not get used to a specific valve. A assembly drawings to consider? Real, not advertising. Not to mention the assembly of something more complicated than a plastic model. Americans won over RD-190 engines TOGETHER with all documentation, did it help them much? Or are they dumber than the Chinese, that they cannot figure out the second ten years?
            2. Kars
              Kars 7 June 2013 18: 28
              +2
              Quote: Misantrop
              The Americans won bought the RD-190 engines TOGETHER with all the documentation, did it help them much? Or are they dumber than the Chinese, that they cannot figure out the second ten years?

              that you rush from one extreme to the other --- now according to your opinion, the Chinese of Bison themselves will not do it? so why do you sprinkle ashes on your head?
            3. Misantrop
              Misantrop 7 June 2013 18: 33
              +1
              Quote: Kars
              Now do you think the Bison Chinese themselves do not?

              They won’t do it. They will make an analogue, more or less similar to the original. But the degree of similarity and performance is difficult to predict in advance, a lot will depend on what they still have on related models. They have already learned to compose perfectly, this cannot be taken away
            4. Kars
              Kars 7 June 2013 18: 35
              +2
              Quote: Misantrop
              . But the degree of similarity and performance is difficult to predict in advance, a lot will depend on what they still have on related models. They have already learned to compose perfectly, this cannot be taken away


              Well, let's wait from YOU for a photo of a disassembled Chinese Bison, based on your words, this is a standard procedure, and since they bought those documents, then there will be no sense in encrypting them.
            5. Misantrop
              Misantrop 7 June 2013 20: 25
              +1
              Quote: Kars
              wait from YOU for a photo of a disassembled Chinese bison
              Cousin has not yet traveled to China for a ship-assembly cousin (although he was invited). But ALL the products of the "More" plant were assembled by his hands as well. So I am a little aware of what I am writing about. ABOUT THE REAL state of affairs, not about ceremonial reports
      2. dominatus
        dominatus 7 June 2013 19: 01
        -1
        And didn’t it occur to you that they could turn to the manufacturer for all unclear questions?
        They did not steal the documentation, but honestly bought it. What is the problem? Ukrainian engineers who are able and know how to make these ships will render all possible assistance, and if the Chinese give them a decent prize, they will also start up and commission the necessary equipment.
      3. Misantrop
        Misantrop 7 June 2013 20: 28
        +1
        Quote: dominatus
        And didn’t it occur to you that they could turn to the manufacturer for all unclear questions?
        They did not steal the documentation, but honestly bought it. What is the problem?
        In what? The fact that "More" is not a shipbuilding plant, but a ship-assembly plant. They do not have their own production of components. They can ASSEMBLE the units supplied by the manufacturers into a finished product (and of sufficient quality, despite 20 years of devastation), but alas, to MAKE it. Or is it too difficult for you?
      4. dominatus
        dominatus 7 June 2013 21: 06
        0
        In your opinion, in Ukraine there are no shipyards capable of manufacturing components?
        Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant, State Enterprise "Shipbuilding Plant named after 61 Kommunara ", PJSC" Nikolaev shipbuilding plant "Ocean", Kerch JSC "Shipbuilding plant" Zaliv "- are all assembly plants incapable of producing components?
      5. Misantrop
        Misantrop 7 June 2013 21: 24
        +1
        Quote: dominatus
        Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant, State Enterprise "Shipbuilding Plant named after 61 Kommunara ", PJSC" Nikolaev shipyard "Ocean", Kerch OJSC "Shipyard" Zaliv "
        It was enough for me HOW they tried to repair the ONLY Ukrainian DPL and WHAT came of it. A quarter of a century ago, they still, having strained, could make a PART of the kit, which for some reason was not delivered in time by the supplier. But too much has happened since then. The SMP in Severodvinsk was at that time many times more powerful, but it could not make ALL the details. Despite the fact that the plant was one and a half times larger than the city adjacent to its fence. And the fact that Ukraine recently wrote off for scrap the last of the Skat it had (of a similar type and of the same plant) with the idiotic wording "as unnecessary." They didn't even try to sell, by that time there was only one empty "drum" ...
      6. dominatus
        dominatus 7 June 2013 21: 35
        -1
        So where is your proverbial logic. Following, Ukraine a priori could not build the Zubr MDK.
        Nevertheless, she built it. Built in spite of the protest of the Almaz Central Design Bureau.
        You, what do you think that Almaz protested accusing Ukraine of copyright infringement and at the same time provided all the necessary documentation for construction, as well as accessories?

        And you still stuttered about my illogicality?
        Truly, whose cow would moo, and yours would be silent.
      7. Misantrop
        Misantrop 7 June 2013 21: 53
        +1
        Quote: dominatus
        Built in spite of the protest of the Central Design Bureau "Almaz"
        Almaz is not a manufacturer, but a designer. So looking for a specific hardware on it is somewhat ... naive. Suppliers of the plant were not born yesterday either, so they will always be able to find a complete set for one or two orders in the current mess. For a series - they would not find, but for a one-time order - easily. Especially if before that such machines were mass-produced. It is not so difficult to put in order the nodes that were previously rejected for various reasons. Especially if you know what exactly the problem was
        Quote: dominatus
        You, what do you think that "Almaz" protested accusing Ukraine of copyright infringement and at the same time provided all the necessary documentation for the construction
        Almaz provided NOTHING. All documentation has been stored in the secret part of the plant since the times of the USSR (as well as on Skat, Kalmar, Dzheyran, etc.)
        pot calls the kettle black
        Wailing Cows - Your Specialty? Well, do it. You can even organize a studio for choral lowing. There is no such thing on the planet yet. laughing
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      9. dominatus
        dominatus 8 June 2013 00: 12
        -1
        No, I'm not a cow specialist. I simply, unlike some "shipbuilders", did not skip the lessons of Russian literature and did not let the textbook of Russian literature on hand-rolled books.
        Therefore, unlike some "shipbuilders" I know some Russian folk proverbs.

        "Whose cow would moan, and yours would be silent"

        It is used in the address of a person who himself was seen in the acts, discrediting or staining himself.
        Example proverbial usage:
        “You are a thin woman, that's what ... You’re talking about the eve of the deceased, and not riding horses.”
        “And you are good, factory warnak!” - boiled Anfim.
        - How many times did he dump himself? Whose cow would mumble, but yours would be silent ... You yourself are a woman!
        Mom-Siberian, Bread.
      10. Misantrop
        Misantrop 8 June 2013 08: 23
        +1
        Quote: dominatus
        I just, unlike some "shipbuilders" did not skip the lessons of Russian literature and did not let the textbook of Russian literature on hand-rolled.

        It would be better to use the knowledge that they tried to teach you
  • Kars
    Kars 7 June 2013 18: 16
    +2
    Quote: Misantrop
    It is enough for me to call those who are actually engaged in installation

    So call.
    And do not all of your friends already work in Russia?
    Quote: Misantrop
    Have you ever had to hold REAL assembly drawings of a serious product in your hands? And wiring diagrams, drawings of units and mechanisms? I doubt, otherwise such a question would not have arisen

    Yes, here's how it happened, and with German contractors by fax exchange.

    But I think you will soon be pleased with the photo of the disassembled Bison in China.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 7 June 2013 18: 35
      +2
      Quote: Kars
      Yes, here's how it happened, and with German contractors by fax exchange.
      Send a set of working drawings for Bizon by fax? The fax will not have enough resources, especially since these drawings are not yet available in electronic form. Yes, and I have not yet met a fax the size of a piano. lol
    2. Kars
      Kars 7 June 2013 18: 38
      +2
      Quote: Misantrop
      Send a set of working drawings for Bizon by fax?

      It didn’t occur to you what happened with ..Mory .. The Chinese were given the blueprints in a different way.
      Quote: Misantrop
      And I’ve never seen a fax the size of a piano

      Fantasy must be included - and there is a way.
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 7 June 2013 20: 34
      +1
      Quote: Kars
      Fantasy must be included
      For fantasy, even a pinch of professional knowledge is needed. Otherwise, your posts about the fleet are obtained request As in that joke about "what can be made of sand, shit and clay" lol
      Quote: Kars
      It didn’t occur to you what happened with ..Mory .. The Chinese were given the blueprints in a different way.

      For those in the tank. Assembly drawings have detailing ONLY of the docking assemblies of component blocks. There is NOTHING else on them. And even more so, there are no characteristics of the assemblies being mounted. Taking into account that "More" is a SHIP ASSEMBLY plant (as opposed to a shipbuilding plant), the Chinese can stare even to blue in the FULL set of drawings for "Bizon" from the "More" plant request
    4. Kars
      Kars 7 June 2013 21: 37
      +1
      Quote: Misantrop
      . Otherwise, your posts about the fleet are obtained

      What does the fleet have to do with blueprints and faxes?
      Quote: Misantrop
      For those who are in the tank

      For those who are in the submarine --- ALL of those documentation. You can’t listen to anything at all, and there are no smart people besides you. And they sold a couple of Whatman rolls to the Chinese)))
    5. Misantrop
      Misantrop 7 June 2013 22: 12
      +1
      Quote: Kars
      And the Chinese sold a couple of Whatman rolls)))

      Assembly drawings on whatman paper were NEVER done. This is so, by the way.
      Quote: Kars
      What does the fleet have to do with blueprints and faxes?
      Yes, the size of the assembly drawings used in the fleet is somewhat ... specific. If only because even within the same compartment of installation nodes, even on one system happens VERY much. If you had to rummage with the design engineers in these drawings, urgently trying to isolate a separate failed unit for its quickest replacement without disassembling half the compartment (failed, cattle, and the test program breaks down), you would understand me ...
    6. Kars
      Kars 7 June 2013 22: 26
      +1
      Quote: Misantrop
      This is so, by the way

      )))))) In general, at first I wrote about toilet paper rolls, then I changed my mind a bit.
      Quote: Misantrop
      Yes, the size of the assembly drawings used in the fleet is somewhat

      Do you think that I received from Germany naval drawings))))

      But back to Bison, do you think that under a multi-million dollar contract the Chinese side sold LOTS of toilet paper rolls? And they don’t know about that?
    7. Misantrop
      Misantrop 7 June 2013 22: 34
      +2
      Quote: Kars
      actually first I wrote about toilet rolls
      They didn’t print on the toilet either.
      Quote: Kars
      Do you think that I received naval blueprints from Germany
      With what joy? The size, volume and quantity of what you received does not have ANYTHING in common with the ship drawings. Except maybe part of the name.
      Quote: Kars
      they do not know about this?
      The Chinese? In the course, of course. But these guys are not giving up anything now that they have the stamp of the USSR Ministry of Defense. They now have a lot of green candy wrappers from the USA. And on the nastiest "blue" sometimes you can find something interesting too. Here - bought a part, there - another was stolen, somewhere else the hacker hurried up, dug up. As a result, another serious product can be dazzled. The system is well-known, and its overall efficiency is quite good
    8. Kars
      Kars 7 June 2013 23: 18
      +1
      Quote: Misantrop
      They didn’t print on the toilet either.

      Are you absolutely sure?
      Quote: Misantrop
      With what joy? The size, volume and quantity of what you received does not have ANYTHING in common with the ship drawings. Except maybe part of the name.

      What then?
      Quote: Misantrop
      The Chinese then? Of course, of course

      ))))))))))
      Wow, did they get kidanuli? And then you started telling tales and tortes from the topic of otbolsti - hackers))) it’s necessary, here you say nothing to do with the transferred drawings, but there are hackers)))
  • dominatus
    dominatus 7 June 2013 18: 00
    -3
    Don't be a keyboard whistler - Prove that "Not even close to that" approach "yet."
    And the 1st one does not need to be disassembled into pieces - the Chinese have ALREADY bought a production license with all the necessary technical support.
    1. cartridge
      cartridge 7 June 2013 18: 23
      +1
      Tell me, but on newsland under the nickname dominus and mario13, are you also minuscule?
      1. dominatus
        dominatus 7 June 2013 19: 04
        -2
        Yes I.
        But I don’t use the dominus.
        Well, on the minuses - I have not paid attention for a long time.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 7 June 2013 20: 36
          +2
          Quote: dominatus
          Well, on the minuses - I have not paid attention for a long time.
          On elementary logic - too. And about knowledge on the subject of dispute and speech can not go laughing
        2. dominatus
          dominatus 7 June 2013 20: 56
          -1
          What is the inconsistency?
          More specifically please.
        3. Misantrop
          Misantrop 7 June 2013 21: 02
          +2
          Quote: dominatus
          More specifically please.
          Do you want specifics? Yes easily. The difference in the drawings. Assembly from principle, they are from assembly. What exactly is indicated on them and why.
        4. dominatus
          dominatus 7 June 2013 21: 26
          -2
          So you say that the factory does not have a complete set of all documentation.
          Then how was the ship built?
          Where is the logic.

          "Assembly from principal, they are from assembly. What exactly is indicated on them and why."
          Thank you for "enlightening". And I didn't even "know."
          The topic of my thesis project was called "calculation of a block thermal power plant for 2 power units with turbines T-110/120".
          What do you think, could I write and defend my graduation project on my own without knowing how the circuit diagram differs from the wiring diagram and what is an assembly drawing?
        5. Misantrop
          Misantrop 8 June 2013 08: 16
          +1
          Quote: dominatus
          I didn't even "know

          Apparently, if they knew, they have long forgotten. Now in all the countries of the former CIS there are a lot of car factories of "screwdriver assembly" of cars. Thousands of cars and buses are assembled. Do you think these factories have a FULL set of product documentation? Or just what is required to make them work?
          And the topic of the diploma should not be trumped. The topic of my diploma: "Nuclear power plant of a missile submarine cruiser with a detailed calculation of a steam turbine plant" wink Moreover, I wrote the diploma myself, then it was not accepted to buy them (as they often do now). And the diploma reviewer slipped me the chief of the military acceptance of the Kaluga Turbine Plant. Excellent set, however
        6. Akim
          Akim 8 June 2013 08: 35
          +1
          Quote: Misantrop
          The topic of my diploma: "Nuclear power plant of a missile submarine cruiser with a detailed calculation of a steam turbine plant"

          So you wrote it in secret? Such muck in a closed room to write! I myself remember.
        7. Misantrop
          Misantrop 8 June 2013 08: 38
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          So you wrote it in secret?
          Alas, we had no secret diplomas by definition. So there was no particular choice - the first admission group. Why didn’t they let go abroad after retirement for 10 years ... request
  • wlad59
    wlad59 7 June 2013 10: 39
    +1
    "... soon Ukraine will be out of work." - and here you are cruelly mistaken! With the economic policy pursued by the Russian authorities, Ukraine will remain "in business" for a very long time. I explain: while the Russian plant (in Moscow, in Omsk, in Perm, in Ufa ...) masters the production of engines, the Ukrainian design bureau will develop a NEW engine! Which will be BETTER (more efficient, more economical, etc.) than the previous one. And again, Russia will have to buy engines from Ukraine (or a license from the production) and so on in a spiral. And its own scientific school of aviation engine building in Russia has collapsed!
    1. evil hamster
      evil hamster 7 June 2013 10: 58
      +2
      Excuse me, what engine are you talking about right now?
      Quote: wlad59
      And its own scientific school of aircraft engine building in Russia has collapsed!
      Such strong statements should be confirmed by any facts.
      1. Alexander D.
        Alexander D. 7 June 2013 22: 26
        -1
        Quote: evil hamster
        Excuse me, what engine are you talking about right now?
        Quote: wlad59
        And its own scientific school of aircraft engine building in Russia has collapsed!
        Such strong statements should be confirmed by any facts.

        The facts: how many new passenger Tu -... have been designed over the past 10 years ??? Previously, it was one of the leading design bureaus for the design of passenger aircraft (the military does not count - this is a separate caste).
        How many new military transport aircraft or passenger aircraft have been designed and presented from the Ilyushin Design Bureau? The Il-76 was sawn, sawed, and sent back for revision - what else can be improved there. And the new special-purpose aircraft "Porubshchik" - they did not come up with anything new how to install equipment on an old Il-22. If now the Yak-130 is not put on the conveyor, then this design bureau can be buried magnificently. Beriev and Myasishchev can already be spoken about exclusively in the past tense.
        1. evil hamster
          evil hamster 8 June 2013 01: 34
          +1
          "how many new passenger Tu-" - 10 have been designed over the past 1 years.
          Quote: Alexander D.
          How many new military transport aircraft or passenger aircraft were designed and presented by Ilyushin Design Bureau?
          - 0, 1 - modernization, 2 in progress.
          Quote: Alexander D.
          Il-76 sawed sawed and again sent for revision
          You have some strange information, IL76MD-90A - production is being developed. What kind of sawing are you talking about?
          Quote: Alexander D.
          And the new special-purpose aircraft "Porubshchik" - they did not come up with anything new how to install equipment on an old Il-22.
          So what? Does this somehow affect the effectiveness of the complex?
          Quote: Alexander D.
          If you don’t put the Yak-130 on the conveyor, then this design bureau can be buried
          You still do not know7 but still Yak 130 - in the series. And yes, KB Yak actually joined Irkut and now sculpt 21, so the right is not worth worrying about.
          Quote: Alexander D.
          About Beriev and Myasishchev is already possible

          "E ne comrade is in a hurry ne need" (C) Be-200 is produced in Taganrog.
          Well, about Myasishchev, read the thread about their competition with Tupol, you will learn a lot.
          Py. Sy. Saaavsem forgot, and what does this have to do with my post?
    2. Sochi
      Sochi 7 June 2013 10: 58
      +1
      Why am I mistaken? That in Russia there is no design bureau for engines? there are, and they seem to work ... Yes, and they seem to have mastered the production almost to the end, with the exception of a small number of parts, but this is not for long. Oh, by the way, is this probably Ukraine making an engine for the T-50? because the Russians can’t do anything ... As far as I know, only Russian engines put on new helicopters, they refused the Ukrainian ones. And there is a scientific school - http://www.npo-saturn.ru/?sat=33
      1. wlad59
        wlad59 7 June 2013 11: 14
        -2
        There are design bureaus in Russia for engines: in Rybinsk, in Moscow, in Perm ... only there is no result. (complete failure on civilian aircraft) and on the engine for the T-50, the plane is ... but there is no engine! (by the way, Ivchenko-Progress offered their services, refused)
        1. Akim
          Akim 7 June 2013 11: 21
          -1
          Quote: wlad59
          but no engine! (by the way, Ivchenko-Progress offered their services, refused)

          About Russia and her help is not in the know, but China recently asked to modify their engines of the "WS" series and Ukraine suggested to him to create engines for the 5th generation aircraft
          1. wlad59
            wlad59 7 June 2013 11: 29
            -1
            The main component of dv. 5 generations - a variable traction vector! And here is the development: AI-222-25 UVT. (UVT - controlled thrust vector) - from the site of Ivchenko-Progress.
            1. Akim
              Akim 7 June 2013 11: 35
              0
              Quote: wlad59
              The main component of dv. 5 generations - a variable traction vector!

              This is for 4 ++ generation. There are UHTs on 5th generation engines - but there are still many other parameters. In particular, the lack of afterburner with increased traction.
              1. wlad59
                wlad59 7 June 2013 11: 46
                -1
                So I did not say that Ivchenko-Progress has a 5th generation engine ready. But there is a basic engine for its development. The Russians were offered engine development services for the PAK FA, they refused.
                1. evil hamster
                  evil hamster 7 June 2013 11: 56
                  +2
                  Base? what is it?
                  1. wlad59
                    wlad59 7 June 2013 12: 01
                    -1
                    AI-222-25 UVT
                    1. evil hamster
                      evil hamster 7 June 2013 12: 11
                      +2
                      Quote: wlad59
                      AI-222-25 UVT
                      - The basic engine for creating the engine for PAK FA? oh nimagu ... well, you can’t do this without warning, I almost fell off my chair laughing
              2. Avenger711
                Avenger711 7 June 2013 15: 28
                +1
                Damn, well, at least you are friends with Google, there is a camera on the F119, because there is no way without it.
            2. Avenger711
              Avenger711 7 June 2013 15: 31
              +2
              Then the F-22 engine is not the 5th generation, but almost the 5th, there is only a vertical deviation of the nozzles, he is far from the wonders of our AL-41F1 (serial on gray machines).
            3. gradient
              gradient 8 June 2013 08: 21
              +1
              Oh, a new page in the world history of engine building. It turns out that UVT in Zaporozhye was invented ... But on the R79V-300, AL-31FP and RD-133 there is an unlicensed copy of it.
        2. Sochi
          Sochi 7 June 2013 11: 34
          +4
          The engine is done, and will be done. No one promised this tomorrow, everything is done according to the schedule. It was originally planned to bring the engine to the end of the development of the aircraft, to its entry into the troops, I hope so. And what is the failure? engines are produced, modernized, new ones are being developed. The cycle of creating a new engine is not one year, plus in the interests of export, they rushed to cooperate with foreigners, which did not bring anything good, but their designs were frozen ... But Ivvchenko was abandoned due to the unpredictability of Ukraine, and in such a case it depended on from foreigners ... not buzzing.
        3. evil hamster
          evil hamster 7 June 2013 11: 53
          +1
          Quote: wlad59
          only there is no result

          Hmm, engine production is growing, new ones are being developed, old ones are being modernized quite a result.
          Quote: wlad59
          on civilian aircraft complete failure

          exactly the same as in Ukraine, og smile, the engine building is poorly separated from the aircraft industry in general. No planes => no engines for them, everything is simple. However, the PS90A has been brought to mind and there will be a good series, CAM 146, even if the engine is at the world level, including our half - the series is being developed in production, PD-14 is in operation, there is a demonstrator, the program is underway and a lot of money has been invested in it ... And what have you got there so that you here proudly broadcast about the failures of the Russian engine building? Share your intimate.
          Quote: wlad59
          and the engine for the T-50, the plane is ... but there is no engine!

          Wow, there’s no engine, but it flies, well, you don’t give yourself a yaki diva marvelous in this world.
          Quote: wlad59
          by the way Ivchenko-Progress offered their services, refused

          Oh how, and what does Progress have a 5th generation fighter engine in the thrust class of 15-18 tons? Or maybe there is just such an engine of previous generations? Or maybe Ivchenko-Irogress previously engaged in similar engines? What is the answer three times NO? Hmm strange, why did they then offer something? Continuous disease
          1. Avenger711
            Avenger711 7 June 2013 15: 35
            +1
            The 146th covers the 436th with the AN-148 like a bull to a sheep.
        4. Avenger711
          Avenger711 7 June 2013 15: 27
          +1
          We had one (or maybe not one) clever comrade who lives in Germany on an allowance and brazenly offers himself various kinds of leadership positions for large companies. He was politely sent, but he had a certificate that he was looking for a job.

          So your "offered" the same thing.
        5. gradient
          gradient 8 June 2013 08: 14
          +1
          And did they offer services to Pratt & Whitney? F119-PW-100 for F-22 bring to mind? Or even a new gash, with blackjack and spiritually rich virgins?
          Okay, raving about something ... I never did Progress of afterburner engines, not its specialization. Of course, I understand that over the past 140 thousand years the Trypillian proto-hides have become proficient in a wide variety of crafts, but you don’t have to tear yourself away from reality.
      2. dominatus
        dominatus 7 June 2013 22: 05
        0
        But why then buy from Ukraine helicopter engines for $ 1,2 billion?
        "DUBAI (UAE), 13 Nov - RIA Novosti. Russian Helicopters and the Ukrainian engine-building company Motor Sich signed a contract for the supply of Ukrainian engines for Russian commercial helicopters at the Dubai Airshow 2011, which opened on Sunday," he told reporters Head of Motor Sich Vyacheslav Boguslaev.

        “For the first time, we signed an agreement for $ 1,2 billion, lasting five years. Neither we, nor our Russian colleagues, under any development of events, can“ jump ”from this contract, since it stipulates all the legal consequences. We guarantee the fulfillment of the contract with high quality and on time, "he said.

        http://lenta.ru/news/2011/11/14/motorsich/
        1. evil hamster
          evil hamster 8 June 2013 01: 39
          +1
          Maybe because almost 300 helicopters were built last year, and the pilot plant under Klimov can assemble a maximum of about 300 engines, no? But the new plant and Umpo are going to reach the planned production volume by 15-16 years, maybe this is the reason, not?
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    4. katran666
      katran666 7 June 2013 11: 42
      -2
      , don’t have to - we’ll put our own, even if it will be worse - with one shot of two birds with one stone -
      1. We support our
      2. Bandera wet
      1. Akim
        Akim 7 June 2013 11: 47
        +1
        Quote: katran666
        katran666

        As they call you there - TROLLS! On the simplest information poured so much political hatred. Apparently in childhood, the dog bit.
    5. Avenger711
      Avenger711 7 June 2013 15: 24
      +2
      While you are racing with a toy engine from the Yak-130, Russia mass-produces engines for full-fledged fighters and designs the engine for the 5th generation. And how much money Ukraine will develop a new engine is an open question.

      In general, another verbal diarrhea that everything is ruined in Russia, although it surpasses Ukraine in production by several times. Actually, we don’t remember about the RD-33 and AL-31, because everyone was hurt there, and there is no question who would have to be fooled.
  • Warrawar
    Warrawar 7 June 2013 11: 14
    +1
    Quote: wlad59
    And its own scientific school of aircraft engine building in Russia has collapsed!

    Blessed is the believer! It’s you who has it collapsed, doing a couple of varieties of outdated rattles.
    Do you also make engines for 4 ++ and 5 generation aircraft? What is in the way?
    1. wlad59
      wlad59 7 June 2013 11: 16
      0
      Yeah ... on the SSJ-100 is the NEWEST Russian engine!
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 7 June 2013 11: 20
        0
        PowerJet SaM146 (CM146) - turbofan engine with flow mixing. The engine is designed for regional aircraft and is currently installed on the Sukhoi Superjet-100 family of aircraft.
        The engine is manufactured by PowerJet, a joint venture of the Russian NPO Saturn and the French company Snecma.
        Snecma is responsible for the hot part of the engine - the gas generator as part of a high-pressure compressor, a combustion chamber and a high-pressure turbine. Snecma is also responsible for the engine control system (FADEC), gearbox and engine nacelle.
        NPO Saturn is responsible for the “cold” part of the engine — the fan and low-pressure turbine, as well as for installing the engine on the Sukhoi Superjet-100 airframe and general assembly.
        In addition, companies share the work of testing the engine. NPO Saturn performs ground tests, Snecma performs flight tests.
        PowerJet (PowerJet) is a Russian-French joint venture with equal shares (50/50) [1], established by NPO Saturn and the French company Snecma. The company's only product is the SaM146 aircraft engine.
      2. Warrawar
        Warrawar 7 June 2013 11: 21
        +1
        For the MS-21, the engine is purely Russian ... And I generally talked about military aviation.
        1. wlad59
          wlad59 7 June 2013 11: 42
          -1
          Nobody argues ... Russia will be able to make an engine (it’s not worth the price) ... especially when you don’t need to count money! But all over the world the requirements for engines are: ECONOMICITY, EFFICIENCY and RESOURCE ... therefore, for military aviation (where money is not counted), Russia produces something else, but for civilian.
          1. evil hamster
            evil hamster 7 June 2013 11: 58
            -1
            Oga also produces for the civilian, and it is characteristic for money much more than Ukraine
    2. wlad59
      wlad59 7 June 2013 11: 31
      0
      http://www.ivchenko-progress.com/welcome.do?id=144 Почитайте на досуге.
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 7 June 2013 11: 53
        +1
        Under the "occupation regime", the Maskals have built factories for you, so you have been using the occupation heritage for a quarter of a century now, you cannot gobble it up. But it cannot go on for so long - there is no money for modernization, but what you are doing is "greetings from the 70s", but now the second dozen of the 21st century is already underway and you need to develop, and not stagnate.
        So, you and I are not on the way, keeping your production afloat is more expensive for ourselves, if there is a choice between: investing in Ukraine or throwing it in the trash, it is better to choose the second.
        1. wlad59
          wlad59 7 June 2013 12: 00
          0
          "... but what you are doing is" greetings from the 70s ", but nowadays the second ten of the 21st century is underway and you need to develop, and not mark time." and the Kamovites WANT to install on their NEWEST helicopters? Well, well ... go on.
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar 7 June 2013 12: 13
            +3
            Quote: wlad59
            Are you talking about VK-2500 helicopter engines, which Milevtsy and KAMOVETS WANT to put on their NEWEST helicopters?

            Klimov VK-3000 engines will be installed on the latest helicopters
        2. Akim
          Akim 7 June 2013 12: 05
          0
          Quote: Warrawar
          Under the "occupation regime" the maskals have built factories for you, so you have been using the occupation heritage for a quarter of a century


          Apparently in your understanding, Ukraine has shrunk the Lviv dol from the Ivano-Frankivsk regions. And then the most radical part of it.
          1. Avenger711
            Avenger711 7 June 2013 15: 38
            +1
            No, in our understanding, Ukraine is the Kiev province, the rest (and this is 90%), please return.
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop 7 June 2013 16: 33
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            Apparently in your understanding, Ukraine has shrunk the Lviv dol from the Ivano-Frankivsk regions. And then the most radical part of it.

            Alas, this is not in "our understanding", but in the political sphere of activity. The country is not small (although smaller than the Russian Federation), but in terms of cooperation, in fact, it seems that there is no one else ... request Maybe tell me a couple of names with whom the Russian Federation could cooperate constructively? From the leadership of the country, not at the level of the director of the workshop
            1. Akim
              Akim 7 June 2013 17: 57
              0
              Quote: Misantrop
              Maybe tell me a couple of names with whom the Russian Federation could cooperate constructively?

              I can tell you, although this will not change anything. They are already cooperating with them. Just for ordinary people in Russia - this is not a show. It’s more interesting for them on NTV to see how in Lviv one tipster threw a presentation to the company that they sent him a washer with Russian settings on the panel.
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 7 June 2013 18: 28
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                They cooperate with them anyway.
                Trying to cooperate with them. Most often in spite of political games. Therefore, the results are sad to impossibility, alas. That frankly speaking, I’m not happy at all ...
                1. Akim
                  Akim 7 June 2013 18: 39
                  +2
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  Most often in spite of political games.


                  It seems to me that the Russian economy is largely dependent on the policy of the Kremlin (Khodorkovsky is not sitting on this). If Ukraine did not try to drag into the vehicle. but simply collaborated as equal partners - much could have been achieved.
                  1. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 7 June 2013 21: 38
                    +1
                    Quote: Akim
                    just collaborated as equal partners

                    Didn't you come across the saying: "Where are two Ukrainians, there are three hetmans?" lol IMHO the whole trouble is that even the cleaning lady at the checkpoint adjacent to the office definitely wants to have EQUAL rights (and - with the right of a blocking vote). For EQUAL rights it would be good to have EQUAL opportunities. For some reason, Ukrainian leaders do not try to dictate their will to American "sponsors" ... But with Russia, everyone hopes that it will work, and every time they are offended when they are broken off ... request
        3. chertjaga
          chertjaga 8 June 2013 03: 47
          -1
          Under the "occupation regime", the maskals have built factories for you, so you have been using the occupation heritage for a quarter of a century now, you can't gobble it up

          Factories were built on the territory before the Soviet regime and not at all.

          and in the courtyard now the second dozen of the 21st century is coming and it is necessary to develop, and not stagnate

          so everything develops as far as possible and necessary

          keeping your production afloat is more expensive if you have a choice between: invest in Ukraine or throw it in the trash

          not you and not Russia do not invest and will not invest money in production in Ukraine, but only use Ukrainian goods and services
  • Warrawar
    Warrawar 7 June 2013 11: 25
    0
    It is not a sin to cooperate with the French - a good, reliable, European nation.
    1. wlad59
      wlad59 7 June 2013 11: 32
      0
      On the Mistrals, yes. But not for aircraft engines ...
    2. escobar
      escobar 7 June 2013 11: 51
      +1
      And why should the French take engines, also ships for billions? They do not enter into the customs union. You need to be consistent ... force, crush, humiliate, pull by the ears, impose sanctions - can ??? soot ..
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 7 June 2013 12: 08
        +1
        Quote: escobar
        Why take the engines from the French?

        And we didn’t take the engines from them, we created a joint venture and are releasing it together.
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 7 June 2013 21: 41
      +1
      Quote: Warrawar
      It’s not a sin to cooperate with the French
      Better - not in engineering terms. They have a very unique, but, in terms of technology, absolutely "dislocated" engineering school. Who does not believe, I recommend talking to auto repairmen. Especially - in terms of access to units and mechanisms of specific car models. You will hear a lot of interesting things ... lol
  • Warrawar
    Warrawar 7 June 2013 11: 35
    +1
    By the way, in Russia, the development of a new generation of helicopters is now underway; for some reason, Ukrainian engine builders were not invited.
    Ka 92 http://www.aviarf.com/?p=406
    Mi X-1 http://www.aviarf.com/?p=416
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus 7 June 2013 12: 35
      0
      Motor Sich will be connected later, in 30-40 years. When these helicopters are developed.
      Sense to harness now? Well, we will make the engine, and by the time the first sample is tested, it will become obsolete.
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 7 June 2013 13: 41
        -1
        Quote: Conepatus
        Motor Sich will be connected later, in 30-40 years. When these helicopters are developed.
        Sense to harness now? Well, we will make the engine, and by the time the first sample is tested, it will become obsolete.

        These helicopters will be developed by 2020. But plans for 30-40 years, in the realities of Ukraine, I would not build - by that time, a glorious enterprise, "Motor Sich" may no longer exist, as well as Ukraine itself.
        1. Conepatus
          Conepatus 7 June 2013 13: 49
          0
          Do not wait
        2. dominatus
          dominatus 7 June 2013 19: 24
          +2
          You have been "burying" Ukraine since 1992. Only it doesn't ...
          Ukraine has lived for 22 years - and 222 will live.
          It is not yet known what will happen to Russia.

          As long as there are orders, "Motor Sich" will work. For at least another 4 years, Motor Sich will supply you with helicopter engines.
          And taking into account the number of Soviet Mi-2 and Mi-8 operating around the world, the "Motor Sich" has a lot of work.
          And the aircraft engines of their production will find their application.
          For example, the Poles are going to upgrade their MiG-29 and Su-22
          1. evil hamster
            evil hamster 7 June 2013 19: 31
            +1
            Quote: dominatus
            For example, the Poles are going to upgrade their MiG-29 and Su-22
            Well, damn it, miracles, I am embarrassed to ask, but what does Ukraine have to do with it?
            1. Akim
              Akim 7 June 2013 19: 59
              0
              Quote: evil hamster
              I’m embarrassed to ask, but what does Ukraine have to do with it

              Given that she can put her counterparts. MiG-29U2 is an upgrade to generation 4+. And in Zaporozhye there is a "flying test laboratory" Su-17M4U. Many Ukrainian technological replacements for the engine, avionics and weapons are being tested on it. More precisely, I don't know.
              1. evil hamster
                evil hamster 8 June 2013 01: 51
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                Despite the fact that she can put her analogues. MiG-29U2 is an upgrade to generation 4+
                And what is there from 4+? New engines with OVT? new BKO multispectral type Su 35 or Mig 35? New radar with PFAR or forgive the Lord AFAR? New OLS?
                not that I absolutely needed to ... all Ukrainian, believe me, I don’t have such a desire, just since your guys are critical of the Russian military-industrial complex, then let's approach the Ukrainian too with a sober head and relying on reality!
                1. Akim
                  Akim 8 June 2013 07: 28
                  -1
                  Quote: evil hamster
                  just since your guys are critical of the Russian military-industrial complex, then let's go to the Ukrainian

                  I am not critical, I just convey information. I already answered Phantom of the revolution June 1st. With your permission, I will quote the above:
                  Quote: Phantom Revolution
                  tell me the missiles that Ukraine can provide to a potential buyer,



                  Ukraine produces missiles R-73, R-27M, Gran ', Kh-27. The most important buyer of missiles (mainly GOS) is Russia. Work is now being completed on an air-to-surface missile. Also helmet-mounted target designators of the "Sura-M" and Sh3UM1U type, objective control systems, and SN3307 satellite navigation systems. AFAR is domestic, but so far it is installed only on the MiG-29U2 and there are only two of them - this is the 4+ generation (U1 is much easier to modernize). own on-board computers (digital computing devices). There's a lot more. Fuselage elements are also made for all MiGs (21-29). + new glazing of cabins. Here are engines of similar thrust, Ukraine does not produce, but goes through a major overhaul. All optics and electronics are own or partially imported.

                  But if you think I had in mind Ukraine as a potential buyer of Hungarian aircraft, then you are mistaken. There are more than 140 of them in reserve (MiG-29). There is no one to push them. Just as a buyer of Russian airplanes, Ukraine has retired for twenty years. Of interest was the Yak-130, but even here the Chinese stepped over from the L-15. (but they planned to produce it in Odessa).
            2. dominatus
              dominatus 7 June 2013 20: 46
              +1
              And despite the fact that:
              1. There are aircraft repair factories in Ukraine where these aircraft have been repaired since Soviet times (Lviv Aviation Repair Plant - Lviv, MiGremont - Zaporozhye, Chuguev Aircraft Repair Plant, SE CHARZ - Chuguev Kharkiv Region, Lugansk aircraft repair plant "- Lugansk)

              http://www.migremont.zp.ua/

              http://www.lsarp.com.ua/

              http://www.larz.ua/

              http://charz.com.ua/


              2. In Ukraine there are enterprises specializing in the development and production of aircraft engines ("Ivchenko-Progress" design and "Motor-Sich" production)
              3. You will be surprised but in Ukraine even created its own drones.


              As you can see, absolutely no miracles. There are more than enough bases and capacities for modernization.
              1. wlad59
                wlad59 7 June 2013 21: 04
                0
                For item 1, you can add: Odessa ARZ (modernization of L-39 Albatross to version L-39M1), and in item 2: Lutsk plant "MOTOR" (repair of aircraft engines of all types)
              2. evil hamster
                evil hamster 8 June 2013 02: 01
                +1
                Quote: dominatus
                There are aircraft repair plants in Ukraine

                Undoubtedly, but this is only a necessary, but not necessary and sufficient condition for modernization.
                Quote: dominatus
                .In Ukraine, there are enterprises specializing in the development and production of aircraft engines
                True truth, but they do not produce engines on either the MiG 29 or Su22
                Quote: dominatus
                You will be surprised but in Ukraine even created their own drones
                No, I would be surprised if it had not been created in the former republic of the USSR, which was one of its industrial and scientific centers. Provided that Georgia blinded some kind of buzzer for peer purposes ... So I definitely do not understand how this fact will help modernize the above machines, unless of course it is a real deep modernization, and not a repair with a pair of whistles.
      2. gradient
        gradient 8 June 2013 08: 33
        +1
        1. "Motor Sich" is a serial plant that made the engines of the Klimov Design Bureau within the framework of Soviet cooperation, and now continues to make them under license and under the supervision of the Klimov Design Bureau.
        2. KB "Klimova" is building (has already built, in general) its own serial plant, since the old serial plant remained abroad with all the consequences.
        3. The new Russian helicopters will have new engines from the Klimov Design Bureau.

        Attention is the question: where will the engines be made for promising Russian helicopters?
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 8 June 2013 08: 43
          +1
          Quote: Gradient
          Attention is the question: where will the engines be made for promising Russian helicopters?
          And another question in the same topic can be added? The weak point of the Ukrainian auto industry has always been the engine. But from one passage to another, even on foot, if desired, is not difficult to reach. Why exactly did it work?
        2. Conepatus
          Conepatus 8 June 2013 15: 45
          -1
          In Ukraine, otherwise your promising helicopters began to fly in 30-40 years smile
  • Warrawar
    Warrawar 7 June 2013 11: 44
    +1
    By the way, here is a good site "United Engine Building Company" -
    http://www.uk-odk.ru/rus/
    See the "Helicopters" section -
    http://www.uk-odk.ru/rus/products/helicopter/tv3-117/
    Of all the engines, all the development of "Klimov" and only TV3-117 is serially produced at "Motor Sich" (but it was developed anyway at Klimov) -
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0%923-117
    Ukrainians how can we live without you? We drank everything, we can’t even build an engine, save-help!
  • alexkross83
    alexkross83 7 June 2013 11: 53
    0
    Some opponents are incomprehensible, then we want close integration with the brotherly people, then we begin to condemn the ways of this integration, referring to our economic power and "honest" officials.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 7 June 2013 12: 00
      -2
      Quote: alexkross83
      Some opponents are incomprehensible, then we want close integration with the brotherly people, then we begin to condemn the ways of this integration, referring to our economic power and "honest" officials.

      You mean "fraternal" peoples better express yourself more carefully.
      1. Kail_seven
        Kail_seven 7 June 2013 12: 22
        +2
        Quote: Warrawar
        You mean "fraternal" peoples better express yourself more carefully.


        I agree, these are parts of one people.
      2. Avenger711
        Avenger711 7 June 2013 15: 45
        +5
        Yes, they called the Little Russians Russians Ukrainians and now they are not allowed to live, brainwashed that Ukraine is not Russia, and that the Russians brought all the fat away, and we have problems on the Russian mainland. Cooperating with Ukraine is the same as cooperating with some puppet republic like Lokot in the occupied territory.
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 7 June 2013 15: 41
      0
      We need not the notorious integration with the territory controlled by the anti-Russian clans and which cannot be trusted with military production, but the liquidation of the local oligarch-Nazi regime together with the state, if you can use this word.
  • slvevg
    slvevg 7 June 2013 13: 23
    -1
    and here is another topic for cooperation or competition, whoever wants to
    http://warfiles.ru/show-32434-vysokotochnaya-ukrainskaya-vintovka-zbroyar-458-so
    com.html
  • White
    White 7 June 2013 16: 48
    -1
    As usual, schizophrenia wins the mind once again, the discussion has once again turned into a discussion of who is bigger and wider .... It is not surprising that SSI and VAF (people who are really versed in aviation) have stopped appearing here, the inadequacy in communication is growing like a snow com The categorical not perception by Russians of the point of view of Ukrainians and vice versa is scary ....
    1. 3dmaxsev
      3dmaxsev 7 June 2013 18: 36
      +1
      Quote: White
      As usual, schizophrenia wins the mind once again, the discussion has once again turned into a discussion of who is bigger and wider .... It is not surprising that SSI and VAF (people who are really versed in aviation) have stopped appearing here, the inadequacy in communication is growing like a snow com The categorical not perception by Russians of the point of view of Ukrainians and vice versa is scary ....

      The constant "holivar" in all topics about Ukraine is striking, the most interesting is that these people are absolutely no different from each other, only they live in artificially divided states and, foaming at the mouth, prove that they are not like that. You have to be smarter and more far-sighted, we have a common past and the future can only be in common
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  • Akim
    Akim 7 June 2013 21: 55
    +2
    Quote: Misantrop
    ... For EQUAL rights it would be good to have EQUAL opportunities. For some reason, Ukrainian leaders do not try to dictate their will to American "sponsors" ...

    And who dictates his will to Russia? The Americans, on the other hand, buy engines for their Taurs and honestly pay for it. If this goes on, they will overtake Russia not only in space in the export of Ukrainian products.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 7 June 2013 22: 00
      +1
      Quote: Akim
      And who dictates his will to Russia?
      Yes, anyone is trying now. Ukraine - including. No one is interested in obeying. all dictators climb. And no one wants to hear about honest cooperation, since such a rollback cannot be earned ... request
      1. Akim
        Akim 7 June 2013 22: 04
        0
        Quote: Misantrop
        Yes, anyone is trying now. Ukraine - including.


        Example please? I can bring it the other way around.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 7 June 2013 22: 15
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          I can bring it the other way around.
          And vice versa - no less, I agree. Alas, what we are observing now is a chronicle of CONFRONTATION, and by no means cooperation. Mainly because the sponsors of both are EXTREMELY not interested in the rapprochement of the Russian Federation with Ukraine.
          1. Akim
            Akim 7 June 2013 22: 23
            -1
            Quote: Misantrop
            Mainly because the sponsors of both are EXTREMELY not interested in the rapprochement of the Russian Federation with Ukraine.

            Do not just mix politics with the economy. I work for myself and I do not care about these squabbles. So it is in macroeconomics.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 7 June 2013 22: 39
              +2
              Quote: Akim
              Don't just mix politics with economics

              That’s just the abomination that some cunning individuals from interstate politics are making their own private economies. But the MOST in this is vile - that none of them were put in prison for it. Unless Julia, and even that - with a muddy wording. As a result, interstate scandals just replenish someone’s private wallet ...
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      gradient 8 June 2013 20: 50
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      In fact, they buy engines for their Taurs in Russia laughing