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European panacea for migrants: barriers and visas

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Last month Islamists, remembering Allah, killed 25-year-old military man Lee Rigby, a machine gunner and a drummer, in London. In the same May, 25, patrol Cedric Cordier, in the Paris business district of La Defense, tried to cut his throat, attacking from behind. A typical terrorist migrant attacked the Frenchman: a bearded man in a leather jacket. At the same time, in the city council of Radstock (a town in the county of Somerset), the authorities banned the use of the St. George flag on their territory: they decided that a flag with a cross could offend the feelings of Muslim residents of the city. Muslims live there sixteen people. You can also mention the pogroms in Sweden (Husby district in Stockholm), in which the "comers" also actively participated. Against the background of all this madness, the latest attempt of the European Union states to return visas, borders and barriers to them looks quite rational.




As recently passed the portal "New Kaliningrad" With reference to Оnet.pl, the heads of foreign ministries of EU countries were in favor of the resumption of border controls at the borders of the Schengen countries. They believe that the influx of illegal migrants threatens the security of citizens of the Schengen countries.

In the coming days, the EU interior ministers are likely to officially confirm the need for border control reform in the Schengen zone. Actually, the top heads of the Ministry of Internal Affairs were the initiators of the reform. The reason for the upcoming border reforms was the fact that many states signaled: they feel insecure because of thousands of illegal immigrants.

As recalled by the Kaliningrad portal, after the negotiations of the European Parliament and the European Committee for the reform of the Schengen Agreement, it was decided: border control in each state of the zone can be returned (no more than two years). Moreover, each country can return this control independently, if only it admits that it is experiencing an influx of too many immigrants.

The previous principles of the Schengen Agreement allowed for the temporary return of control at the internal borders of a given state "in the event of a serious threat to public order or internal security." In 2008, Austria regained control of the European Football Championship; Poland considered a similar opportunity during Euro-2012. The impetus for considering the possibility of a general reform of the Schengen Agreement was an influx of refugees from the north of Africa after the launch of the “Arab spring” (2010-2011).

Journal "Expert"referring to RIA "News”, In an editorial specifies that the EU authorities intend to also engage in improving the system of integrated protection of the external border. The European Agency for the Management of Operational Cooperation at the external borders of the EU countries is already tasked to periodically assess the risks arising from the fulfillment of new requirements by states.

The interlocutor of the news agency said: “Where it will be established that the security of the Schengen zone is seriously endangered, the European Commission will be able to propose the restoration of border controls within a limited period. But this will be an extreme case, and any recommendations of the European Commission on this matter require the consent of the EU Council. ”

It is reported that the new requirements are planned to apply to candidate countries to join the Schengen.

The “expert” recalls that the reason for the development of new legislation on the reform of the security mechanisms of Schengen was the migration dispute between Italy and France (April 2011).

Not coping with the flow of refugees from North Africa, Italy began to issue them temporary residence permits. These documents opened the way for migrants to move around the Schengen zone. The refugees rushed to France, and this country referred to the rules of Schengen. Paris said it would allow only migrants with passports and enough money to live in the country and leave it after some time to enter the country. Having settled the conflict, Paris and Rome appealed to the European Commission with a request to revise some of the provisions of the Schengen Code.

Galina Dudina (Kommersant) indicates that the European authorities assure: in the case of the introduction of border control of the difficulties with movement within the EU, holders of Schengen visas will not arise. However, from now on they will have to go through the procedure of checking documents within the EU.

Oleg Severgin ("Voice of Russia") cites the headlines of the European media: “Barriers are returning,” “Closing the borders as a last resort,” “The principle of freedom of movement is being gradually emasculated.”

The new rules, the author writes, give EU states the right to introduce emergency border controls for up to six months - and not only if there is a threat to internal security. The barrier at the borders can be lowered if illegal migrants begin to arrive en masse, who could not be stopped at the external borders of the EU.

These agreements must be approved at the plenary session of the European Parliament in Strasbourg - from 11 to 13 in June. No one has any doubts in the statement: the majority of experts consider the signing of securities as a formal act.

As the representative of Germany, Francis Keller, an expert of the Green Party in the European Parliament on migration policy and border control, said, the European Parliament suffered a complete fiasco, proving itself in the most pitiful way when defending one of the most important EU achievements. The deputies, Keller summed up, allowed the EU member states to “bring the ax over the Schengen”.

But the head. Sergei Utkin did not consider the temporary strengthening of border controls as a blow to Schengen as a sector of European integration of the Institute of World Economy and International Relations: “If you carefully read the European Union’s conclusions on the Schengen zone, it is emphasized everywhere that only in the most extreme case can we resort to some restrictions and that these restrictions should be temporary. Unfortunately, all these reservations in the press disappear, there are only catchy headlines that "Schengen is falling apart" and the like. This is nothing more than journalistic exaggeration. ”

Sergey Duz ("Voice of Russia") says that, most likely, EU countries will be able to resume border controls within their borders from next year. According to the analyst, “it will be possible to put a cross on the beautifully dreaming dream of a single open Europe. In essence, the continent will turn into a besieged fortress, not only outside, but inside as well. ”

Evgeny Voiko, a senior lecturer at the Department of Applied Political Science at the Financial University under the Government of the Russian Federation, told the Voice of Russia on this topic:

“Certainly, the security factor here. For quite a long time, the European public is outraged by the fact that migrants become participants in various criminal scenes. It starts to bother and causes some concern for the fate of their children. I think the recent murder of a British soldier in London added fuel to the fire. This is theme number one. Not only from a humanitarian, but also a political point of view. Since in the 2014 year, the EU will have parliamentary elections. And in some countries, for example, in Germany, they are expected already this year. And, of course, the leaders of European countries are trying to attract votes with their willingness to deal with the long-running problem. ”


And the president of the 21 Century Migration Foundation, Vyacheslav Postavnin, draws attention to the material aspect of the problem. He focuses on the European crisis and unemployment. And migrants - they after all receive money, social benefits. In the migration camps they are fed and maintained. Migrants cost Europe dearly, the expert said. Hence the attempts of European countries to limit the number of illegal migrants.

“Under the distribution,” recalls S. Douz, today not only immigrants from Africa, but also from Eastern Europe fall. According to some reports, over the past 3-4 of the year, after the abolition of the visa regime for Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Albania and Bosnia and Herzegovina, the number of people seeking asylum in rich European countries has increased by 2-3 times. Applications for those who wish can be considered for as long as desired, but the nuance is that all the time it is considered by the authorities of the host country are obliged to support refugees. Not surprisingly, many rush to the blessed Western Europe - as in a sanatorium.

Evgenia Voyko says:

“The pros outweigh the cons. This is a certain standard of living. Still, if we take the same Britain, we see the attitude of the state towards those left without housing: they are given not just similar housing, they are given a place in a hotel far from the lower class. Social guarantees, especially in Northern Europe, attract many. Here, with minimal effort, you can get maximum pleasure. Moreover, the information is distributed fairly quickly. This is not the first wave of immigrants. They do not need to earn a living or earn a living. ”


To understand what kind of practice awaits the countries of Europe when applying the amendments, one should refer to the figures. Where do you get them from? From the western press.

For example, the publication "Die Presse" writes that the number of illegal border crossings in the Schengen zone last year was halved. To some extent, this indicator can serve as a “test” of the Commission’s report on free movement within the EU, which was presented in Brussels. From October to December 2012, there were a total of 13.613 illegal intersections, or 52 percent, from the same period last year.

A particularly sharp drop in illegal intersections since August last year was recorded in Greece - thanks to strict control on the land border with Turkey (30 percent, or 4035 people). A good indicator of the decline and Italy - 31 percentage (4231 people). 59 percent is an indicator of the reduction of illegal border crossing at sea borders.

Currently, the Schengen zone includes 26 states and more than 400 millions of citizens. The emergency action of the new amendments will be six months, but it can be extended up to two years.

The article notes that the number of applications for visas from the Western Balkans in January 2013 was 44 percent lower than in the same month last year. Albanians (up to 74 percent) and Bosnians (up to 51 percent) more often than others wanted to get visas. The most popular destinations in the EU are Germany, Sweden, Belgium, Switzerland and Luxembourg.

Judging by the Schengen innovations being promoted, let us add, the countries of Western Europe are going to completely block the channels of illegal migration, which have already narrowed significantly in 2012 year. At the same time, it should be noted that the EU leadership and the authorities in each country intend to be cautious about applying the amendments. Illegals are illegal, crime is criminal, Islamism is Islamism, and EU budgets should not lose money. Therefore, those analysts who argue with a cool head are right. Europe will not shut up tight.

Is the same "Die Presse" in another material quotes the Minister of Internal Affairs of Austria Johanna Mickle-Lightner. She welcomes the reform of the EU Schengen Agreement and says: “We can be very pleased with this package, because all our basic requirements have been taken into account”. But he adds clearly: “Now there is no reason to introduce strengthening of border control.” Mickle Lightner also notes that social tourism may suffer, as has already been noted in Germany.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. svp67
    svp67 7 June 2013 08: 37 New
    +6
    heads of foreign ministries of the EU countries called for the resumption of border control at the borders of countries belonging to the Schengen zone
    - everything ever ends ....
    1. Orel
      Orel 7 June 2013 09: 14 New
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      heads of foreign ministries of the EU countries called for the resumption of border control at the borders of countries belonging to the Schengen zone
      - everything ever ends ....

      For your short-sighted policy you have to bear responsibility. You can’t rely on the fact that the population of countries that fled from the NATO bombing (mostly Muslim countries) will love Europe. Evil begets evil. It's time for Europe to pay the bills.
      1. Nordwest
        Nordwest 7 June 2013 13: 33 New
        +6
        They do not flee from the bombs, but for a freebie.
        1. hiocraib
          hiocraib 7 June 2013 15: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: Nordwest
          They do not flee from the bombs, but for a freebie.

          For some reason, many people confuse control over illegal migrants and Schengen citizens.
          Schengen citizens both drove and will ride.
          but for illegal immigrants, who earlier sailed to Italy without any problems traveling thousands of kilometers to Germany and France, it would be more difficult. and they introduced a new law that azil (asylum) can only be obtained in the country where you first got.
      2. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 7 June 2013 13: 43 New
        -3
        It would not be a bad thing to pay the bills.
      3. Mairos
        Mairos 7 June 2013 17: 23 New
        +5
        Hmm ... they don’t like Europe, but they run to it? let them bake in such a lovely Muslim country.
  2. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 7 June 2013 08: 42 New
    +7
    Quote: svp67
    - everything ever ends ....

    Спохватились, но уже вряд ли это "Боржоми" евротолерастам поможет.
    Russia should think about it.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 7 June 2013 09: 04 New
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      России поздно думать. России надо ударными, капиталистическими темпами (конкуренция, однако. Весь поток не европеидной расы рванет) восстанавливать и создавать систему охраны государственной границы времен СССР. С пограничными полосами, с пограничными зонами. Должен действовать лозунг "Границы СССР (России) священны и неприкосновенны".
      1. Rustiger
        Rustiger 7 June 2013 10: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        It’s too late for Russia to think.

        Да нет, кэп. Пока ещё не так поздно. Тут и "думать-то" не надо. ПРОСТО ДЕЛАЙ! Чем не пример для России? Хоть в этом нам Евжопа "помогла". Отрицательный результат - тоже результат. Не всё же самое поганое перенимать с запада, а вот здесь есть чему поучиться.
  3. Denis
    Denis 7 June 2013 08: 52 New
    +3
    The reason for the upcoming border reforms is that many states have signaled: they feel unsafe due to thousands of illegal immigrants.
    They have already forgotten about the haunting iron curtain
    Like the godlessness of the USSR, they themselves are drowning in homosexuality
    Wandered and all this to punish them
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    1. OTAKE
      OTAKE 7 June 2013 09: 00 New
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      Quote: cartridge
      Any border should be locked and especially the Russian border! Black evil must be expelled from the streets of both Europe and Russia!

      А можно у вас спросить "чернозадая нечисть" - это кто?) ну какие конкретно национальности вы под эту гребёнку ставите?
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 7 June 2013 09: 48 New
        +5
        probably the Italians, they arrived there from the Caucasus, and all black, or Spaniards .... laughing
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        2. xetai9977
          xetai9977 7 June 2013 16: 35 New
          +2
          No, he meant the blacks.
    2. Airman
      Airman 7 June 2013 09: 35 New
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      Quote: cartridge
      Any border should be locked and especially the Russian border! Black evil must be expelled from the streets of both Europe and Russia!


      They began to worry there, when they had thousands of migrants, and in Moscow alone there are 10 million of them. In St. Petersburg, according to various sources, from 3 to 5 million, and across Russia there is no data - the FMS is one, the FSB is different, but real 5-10 times more. And our rulers don't give a damn about it, because oligarchs need cheap labor. I read daily in criminal reports on Peter: 3 Tajiks were raped by a medical worker on duty, 2 Uzbeks were raped by a passer-by, etc. And when will our rulers deal with our border and MIGRATION policy?
      1. omsbon
        omsbon 7 June 2013 10: 25 New
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        Quote: Povshnik
        Every day I read in the criminal reports on Peter: 3 Tajiks were raped by a medical worker on duty, 2 Uzbeks were raped by a passer-by, etc. And when our rulers deal with our border and MIGRATION

        К сожалению, нашим чинушам и правителям не грозит встреча в ночной тиши, с чернопопыми "спецЫялистами" в тюбетейках.
        The flows of migrants should be blocked, most of those who arrived should be given a magic pendol to speed up their return home, to the rams.
        1. OTAKE
          OTAKE 7 June 2013 10: 48 New
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          Quote: omsbon
          The flows of migrants should be blocked, most of those who arrived should be given a magic pendol to speed up their return home, to the rams.

          We demand respect for Moscow cultural traditions!
      2. Warrawar
        Warrawar 7 June 2013 10: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: Povshnik
        according to various sources, from 10 to 3 million in St. Petersburg in Moscow alone, and there are no data across all of Russia - the Federal Migration Service is one, the FSB is different, but in reality it’s 5-5 times

        Well, you burn))) In Moscow there are about 2 million (the indigenous population is 12 million), and 10 is for the whole of Russia.
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                1. OTAKE
                  OTAKE 7 June 2013 11: 08 New
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                  Quote: Warrawar
                  Quote: OTAKE
                  I'm reptiloid, infa hundred percent. And for scum still need to answer, po.ts. reotishko.)

                  you are flawed inadequate. don't overestimate yourself.

                  спасибо, спасибо я вас тоже люблю и уважаю) с каких пор мы с вами на "ты"? Я вместе с вами вроде по бабам не ходил)
                  1. xetai9977
                    xetai9977 7 June 2013 16: 28 New
                    +2
                    Admit OTAKE, maybe even at the Brudershaft drank with him?
        2. Yeraz
          Yeraz 7 June 2013 10: 44 New
          +2
          7-8 million live in St. Petersburg, where does 5 million migrants come from? Yes, there are about 13 million migrants in all of Russia
          1. Airman
            Airman 7 June 2013 13: 07 New
            +4
            Quote: Yeraz
            7-8 million live in St. Petersburg, where does 5 million migrants come from? Yes, there are about 13 million migrants in all of Russia


            Одних китайцев на Дальнем востоке и Сибири 8-10 млн, надо было написать Москва и московская обл., Питер и Ленинградская обл.Теперь считайте. 13 млн. дает УФМС, это только зарегистрированных, а регистрация у нас явочная,кто не явился - того как бы нет.Верь глазам своим,то что видишь,не верь ушам,в которые тебе вдалбливают "истину".
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 7 June 2013 14: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: Povshnik
              Quote: Yeraz
              7-8 million live in St. Petersburg, where does 5 million migrants come from? Yes, there are about 13 million migrants in all of Russia


              Одних китайцев на Дальнем востоке и Сибири 8-10 млн, надо было написать Москва и московская обл., Питер и Ленинградская обл.Теперь считайте. 13 млн. дает УФМС, это только зарегистрированных, а регистрация у нас явочная,кто не явился - того как бы нет.Верь глазам своим,то что видишь,не верь ушам,в которые тебе вдалбливают "истину".

              13 million is all together. As aak and illegal immigrants. You can imagine if you believe that this is 20 million people, plus we add here non-Russian indigenous peoples, then every second person should be non-Russian. And this is not the case in large cities observed. Migrants in total 13 million. Moreover, these 13 are not constant, there are not a few seasonal.
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      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 7 June 2013 14: 04 New
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        Мать моя... Господи, и этот "шедевр" от лица Великого Русского поэта Александра Сергеевича Пушкина... Да он бы наверное перевернулся на том свете, услышав такие "стихи" от его имени, и это спустя более 200 лет со дня его рождения. Как я посмотрю и в литературе, и в музыке, и в изобразительном искусстве, и в балете - полнейшая деградация... Речитатив под ударники - что бы шума побольше, и... - шедевр; разделись, ножками как-то подрыгали, по задирали их, и... новое "прочтение" классиков; намалевали как-то на холсте, пошлятинки добавили и,...- "авангард", новое веяние..., УЖАС!
        1. OTAKE
          OTAKE 7 June 2013 14: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: ia-ai00
          Мать моя... Господи, и этот "шедевр" от лица Великого Русского поэта Александра Сергеевича Пушкина... Да он бы наверное перевернулся на том свете, услышав такие "стихи" от его имени, и это спустя более 200 лет со дня его рождения. Как я посмотрю и в литературе, и в музыке, и в изобразительном искусстве, и в балете - полнейшая деградация... Речитатив под ударники - что бы шума побольше, и... - шедевр; разделись, ножками как-то подрыгали, по задирали их, и... новое "прочтение" классиков; намалевали как-то на холсте, пошлятинки добавили и,...- "авангард", новое веяние..., УЖАС!

          Noize MC is probably one of the only rappers in Russia who reads really on the topic, without show-offs and unnecessary pathos, touches on the deep problems of society, especially in Russia, it is differently a cut above the bastard Ak-47, Noggano, Basta, Legalizez and the like. shit. Noiz shout of youth
    4. Artmark
      Artmark 7 June 2013 10: 31 New
      +2
      Health to all! And who do you mean Chechens, Dagestanis, Kabardins, Ossetians or ...? request
  5. creak
    creak 7 June 2013 09: 07 New
    +7
    As they say for what they fought ... It’s necessary to bring the situation to the point where migrants more and more confidently and confidently dictate their rules to the owners. Mosques are not enough for them, and the celebration of Christian holidays, you see, offends their feelings. But for some reason you can not hear complaints about the small number or absence of Christian churches in countries with a predominantly Muslim population (for example, in Qatar or Saudi Arabia).
    Unfortunately, we, with our slurred migration policy or rather its absence, run the risk of repeating the fate of Western Europe. No concrete measures are visible in this area and it all comes down to an empty talking room.
  6. Igor39
    Igor39 7 June 2013 09: 12 New
    +2
    I think, sooner or later, Muslim migrants from the EU will trample in particular, in the large EU countries there are ultra-right, as soon as they come to power, and they come to it and begin repression, they will be picked up by the whole of Europe, events are brewing.
  7. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 7 June 2013 09: 18 New
    +2
    Damn the photo in the title is so compassionate. How not to let it go to Europe.
  8. cartridge
    cartridge 7 June 2013 09: 35 New
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    The situation with migrants has long crossed the red line!
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 7 June 2013 11: 09 New
      +4
      and since when did the Russians become bunnies?
      1. OTAKE
        OTAKE 7 June 2013 11: 15 New
        -1
        Quote: Scoun
        and since when did the Russians become bunnies?

        1. Scoun
          Scoun 7 June 2013 13: 56 New
          +5
          and if so? Emelianenko FIGHT
          1. OTAKE
            OTAKE 7 June 2013 15: 48 New
            -4
            Quote: Scoun
            and if so? Emelianenko FIGHT

            Sasha Heavier, Sasha Experienced, Sasha Higher, Sasha Lies)
            1. Scoun
              Scoun 7 June 2013 19: 15 New
              0
              Quote: OTAKE
              Sasha Heavier, Sasha Experienced, Sasha Higher, Sasha Lies)

              it happens ... it's a sport .. underestimated ... and missed a great shot .. It's a sport
              and Magomed Malikov is from Russian Dagestan ... I don’t understand why he was dragged .. there was a conversation about migrants and the fact that in our country there are problems with education .. so it is necessary to correct all the people.
              PS.
              above I posted a photo of Fedor Emelianenko .. so do not be cunning)))
              PPP.
              It's a shame that after the victory over A. Emelianenko ... Malikov blew the American. Let's see how this year the series goes.
        2. Scoun
          Scoun 7 June 2013 14: 04 New
          +3
          а Мирзаева вы зря сюда примешиваете он выступает за Россию и он как принято говорить россиянин а трагедия что произошла.. тёмного очень много + СМИ постарались.... вся "мутная пена" постаралась раскрутить эту трагедию
          ко всем её участникам много вопросов но как говориться.... об "ушедших" или только хорошее или промолчать..
  9. pinecone
    pinecone 7 June 2013 09: 40 New
    +2
    К автору. Что такое "социальный туризм", и каким образом "бюджеты" ЕС смогут "потерять денежки", если европейским странам удастся хотя бы немного уменьшить приток нежелательных элементов?
    1. Mart
      7 June 2013 14: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: pinecone
      К автору. Что такое "социальный туризм", и каким образом "бюджеты" ЕС смогут "потерять денежки", если европейским странам удастся хотя бы немного уменьшить приток нежелательных элементов?


      1. "Sozialtourismus" - выражение министра внутренних дел. Очевидно, имеется в виду свободное перемещение граждан стран Европы, участвующих в соглашении, без виз по шенгенской зоне.
      2. Потеряют, потому что бюрократические препоны по получению визы остановят многих туристов. Меньше ездить будут через пол-Европы. Это одна из причин, по которой "железный занавес" вовсе не торопятся опускать.
  10. Dejavu
    Dejavu 7 June 2013 09: 42 New
    +2
    Jumped. And what a visa-free regime with a geyropa !? Their Khachiturians are above the roof, so everyone who the Italians didn’t attach after Libya will have to meet. On the site of the burgs, on the contrary, I would advocate visa-free travel with Russia, because more than one million Arab blacks can be rafted there, but they are fools who resist. :)
  11. individual
    individual 7 June 2013 09: 49 New
    +4
    Everything that happens on western tolerastia in matters of migrants threatens us.
    Russia needs to introduce visa law with Central Asia.
    To prevent the compact residence of migrants, dispersing them among the local population. Let them work togetherlive separately.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 7 June 2013 10: 50 New
      +3
      Yes, the situation is radically different. In Russia, not migrants, Uzbeks and Tajiks are worried, their appearance is maximum and when a bunch of visual irritation gathers. Unlike Europe, they do not live here with ghettos and families. Russian Muslims annoy the Caucasians, and what about theirs from the North Caucasus, so from the South. But the trouble is that the first born citizens of the Russian Federation, and the second also the majority of citizens. When people shout at the distant migrants, they got us, 90 percent means Caucasians.
      For my close friend, who has a strong mathematical background, but a weak geographical one, there was a discovery that Dagestan, Chechnya is the territory of the Russian Federation)))))))
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 7 June 2013 11: 10 New
        +1
        Да все беспокоят. Кавказцы беспокоят те, которые решили, что им почему-то все можно. Пока они лучше организованны и наглы. И милиция , прямо скажем, ведет себя не всегда адекватно. Но еще не вечер. А киргизы, узбеки и таджики беспокоят своим количеством и отсутствием элементарных знаний гигиены и русского языка, потом, у них тут уже и жены, и дети, и по СОБЕСам все они ходят, как многодетные. Я подвозил девушку в Домодедово, русская работает стюардессой на узбекских авиалиниях. Она сказала, что ее семья хотела перебираться в Москву на ПМЖ,но "в Москве очень много "черных""(цитата). Поэтому будут думать о Воронеже или Белгороде.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 7 June 2013 12: 04 New
          +3
          But there is a greater level of discontent among the population of Caucasians. And in Moscow, yes, there are somehow more visitors, mine were there recently and it surprised them very much, they thought at the level of Peter, it turned out that it was higher. Not all the same, most of them didn’t have families. Caucasians, on the contrary, have a lot of families.
          Well, the state will not decide to migrate until all the boil breaks out, and for the businessmen it is profitable to bring in cheap power, everything will be the same. For the most part, neither the migrants nor the locals, they are the subjects of this policy and will also be victims. And bureaucrats and businessmen are in the shade .
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 7 June 2013 12: 17 New
            +3
            Не буду с вами спорить, каждый вечер в Москве наблюдаю у себя на бульваре киргизок и прочих с колясками и "в положении". С Кавказа тоже есть, но почему-то как - будто поменьше.
  12. Warrawar
    Warrawar 7 June 2013 10: 46 New
    +3
    We need a visa regime with Central Asia! Just don’t say that we lived in the same country / one people, etc...itp .. This is bullshit!
    Even in Soviet times there were only problems from Central Asia, and now almost a quarter century has passed - most Asians do not even speak Russian (they can’t connect two words). Mostly one crime is brought to Russia from Central Asia: 99% of drug trafficking, rape, robbery, murder. Even those who go to work really and those criminals - they do not pay taxes, do not pay pension contributions, do not pay medical insurance. We are paying for them. We are citizens of Russia!
    1. yurga65
      yurga65 7 June 2013 12: 24 New
      +3
      I fully support! I invite all of us to unite and force our government to do what it should do. Enough GOVERNMENT, time to act!
  13. Warrawar
    Warrawar 7 June 2013 10: 53 New
    +1
    The problem of illegal migrants has already gone so far that they say about it in one row of officials (leaders of the Duma factions, Moscow Mayor, leaders of the FSB, FMS, State Drug Control). Even the Patriarch already spoke out ...
    1. OTAKE
      OTAKE 7 June 2013 10: 59 New
      -10
      Ko Ko Ko Migrants !! to co to co FMS does not work! ko ko ko corrupt officials! ko ko ko Patriarch bought a new watch, let’s roll the kids! to whom to the CIA, NATO, MOSAAD are corrupting our society! we don’t pay for everything! ko ko ko
      1. Malleus
        Malleus 7 June 2013 11: 54 New
        0
        another rooster? belay
    2. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 7 June 2013 11: 35 New
      +2
      First of all, illegal is a violator of the state border, plus illegal stay in the country. The real term. And not small. Nearby to plant those by whom they got into the country. Who provided housing, work, as accomplices. And they didn’t pay off fines, but really polished the bunk with a serious period. When a couple of dozen entrepreneurs are imprisoned for using illegal immigrants for mercenary purposes, others legally legally begin to work.
      1. Airman
        Airman 7 June 2013 13: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        First of all, illegal is a violator of the state border, plus illegal stay in the country. The real term. And not small. Nearby to plant those by whom they got into the country. Who provided housing, work, as accomplices. And they didn’t pay off fines, but really polished the bunk with a serious period. When a couple of dozen entrepreneurs are imprisoned for using illegal immigrants for mercenary purposes, others legally legally begin to work.


        I already advised that all illegal immigrants be considered spies (and there are many of them), sentenced and sent to camps to cut clearings for roads in the Kolyma and in the surrounding areas from 2 to 5 years, so that they could earn their deportation. Plant several hundred people, the rest will run away themselves - they will not want to work for free, and this is the whole solution to the problem. But those in power have neither power, nor will, neither political nor civil.
  14. lawyer
    lawyer 7 June 2013 11: 14 New
    +3
    достали эти азиаты в нашей стране, везде они куда не посмотри и "полиция" типа их не видит, кто покрывает их того к стенке надо.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 7 June 2013 12: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: lawyer
      достали эти азиаты в нашей стране, везде они куда не посмотри и "полиция" типа их не видит, кто покрывает их того к стенке надо.

      This is beneficial for the authorities and business. Therefore, they themselves will not put themselves on the wall))
  15. spirit
    spirit 7 June 2013 12: 54 New
    +2
    I recall a case at the Olympics! when a delegation from an African country arrived in London, brought the runners! And one of the runners Seba **** I’m right before the start, so that after the competition again not to go to Africa laughing so they will find a way)
  16. Ghost of darkness
    Ghost of darkness 7 June 2013 18: 34 New
    +1
    but it’s as if it’s too late to take action, if everything has already mixed up in Europe
  17. Savva30
    Savva30 7 June 2013 18: 49 New
    0
    How to grow sweet watermelons?

    One person decided once to consult with the elder Paisii Svyatogorts about one temptation. When he talked with his comrades who have a proud lifestyle, he himself behaved the same way. And no matter how hard I applied, I could not get better. While he was discussing how best to ask a question, someone brought a wonderful watermelon as a gift.

    Paisius took it and addressed the pilgrims with the words:

    - Since they brought a watermelon, lend me a knife to cut it. And then I will reveal to you the secret of how to make the watermelons always grow sweet and tasty.

    Then the elder began to cut the watermelon into fractions, giving each one a piece.
    When the turn came of the person who was waiting for an answer to his question, the old man looked at him with his penetrating eyes and said with a smile:

    - If you plant a watermelon and a pumpkin next to it, the following will occur: the pumpkin will take away all the sweetness from the watermelon and the watermelon will become tasteless and savory. But the pumpkin, no matter how much she takes sweets, will still remain a pumpkin. Therefore, if you want to have sweet and tasty watermelons, you need to plant them away from the pumpkin.

    And the man understood what the old man wanted to say: all the more friends should be chosen with analysis!
    Parable of the friends of the elder Paisius Svyatogorets
  18. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 7 June 2013 18: 56 New
    0
    Warrawar: We need a visa regime with Central Asia! Just don’t say that we lived in the same country / one people, etc...itp .. This is bullshit!


    Стоило бы провести аналитическое исследование и SWOT, и решить, что для России важнее сейчас, и какой результат будет через 20 лет, и на основании этого принять решение стоит ли содержать нерусскоговорящие страны за счёт России, которые смотрят на Россиию как орда смотрела на "где множно пограбить", или лучше взять Китай пайщиком; там с наркоторговцами сюсюкатся не будут, а России прибыль, и уверенность, что наркоты истанет куда поменьше, да и у людей работы будет больше.

    And the Chinese, for the most part, are people with an ancient culture of creation, and not the Basmachis with habits and plundered into the mountains.

    PieS: I personally care much more about the penetration of the neo-Nazi swastika culture into Russia under the guise of Vedic and Old Slavic beliefs. But Europe has NATO - let the missile defense be directed against yourself!
  19. Lustrator
    Lustrator 7 June 2013 20: 08 New
    +2
    Did two-faced Europeans expect migrants to stabilize the labor market, delighting them with low-paid jobs? Well, now let them get ready for cultural shock. The interesting thing is just how much vaunted tolerance will suffice in the coming years, when immigrants begin to raise their heads and consolidate to realize their political priorities.
  20. se-ma
    se-ma 9 June 2013 08: 22 New
    0
    Quote: Mairos
    Hmm ... they don’t like Europe, but they run to it? let them bake in such a lovely Muslim country.

    So Europe is already sweet and Muslim
  21. Megatron
    Megatron 9 June 2013 17: 14 New
    0
    Fools, some additional controls.
    They should rather return all their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, surround these areas with migrants, then put them on barges and send them to Libya, and let them shoot and cut each other there.